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DaemonFChttp://www.networkworld.com/slideshows/2010/052610-ballmer-faces-microsoft-subnet.html#slide7Jun 04 00:01
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yuhongBTW, don't confuse astroturfing with social media monitoring.Jun 04 00:02
schestowitzyuhong: whateverJun 04 00:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: this is where the comments come fromJun 04 00:03
schestowitzsocial media monitoring=AstroTurfingJun 04 00:03
schestowitzThey are paidJun 04 00:03
yuhongIt isn't.Jun 04 00:03
schestowitzThey are supportive of the paymasterJun 04 00:03
schestowitzThat's AstroTurfJun 04 00:03
yuhongYes.Jun 04 00:03
cubezzznobody likes Ballmer except Ballmer's mum (maybe)Jun 04 00:03
schestowitzDisclosure doesn't cut itJun 04 00:04
yuhongWhy?Jun 04 00:04
schestowitzCompanies should behave Jun 04 00:04
cubezzzdepends on how many chairs he throws that weekJun 04 00:04
yuhong"Disclosure doesn't cut it" Why?Jun 04 00:04
schestowitzNot hire Net KKKops to bully bloggersJun 04 00:04
schestowitzyuhong: cause these jobs should not existJun 04 00:04
schestowitzMarketing people like that are the scum of the scumJun 04 00:05
yuhongmonitoring and bullying bloggers are different?Jun 04 00:05
schestowitzAnd they waste bloggers' timeJun 04 00:05
yuhongmonitoring and bullying bloggers are different,Jun 04 00:05
yuhongmonitoring and bullying bloggers are different.Jun 04 00:05
schestowitzIt's worse than telemarketingfJun 04 00:05
yuhongYes, but monitoring and bullying bloggers are different.Jun 04 00:05
schestowitzYou said it 4 timesJun 04 00:05
schestowitzbrbJun 04 00:05
cubezzzlolJun 04 00:05
yuhongYes.Jun 04 00:05
cubezzzdevelopers developers developers developers!Jun 04 00:05
yuhongI agree that what Comcast did was far from a good idea, true.Jun 04 00:05
schestowitzYou sounds very concernedJun 04 00:05
yuhongYes.Jun 04 00:06
yuhongI agree that what Comcast did was far from a good idea, true.Jun 04 00:06
schestowitzyuhong:  are you in "social media monitoring"?Jun 04 00:06
yuhongBullying bloggers is not a good idea, nor is spamming them.Jun 04 00:06
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yuhongAnd no, I am not in social media  monitoring.Jun 04 00:06
schestowitzI take that as a "yes"Jun 04 00:06
schestowitzTHanks for playingJun 04 00:06
schestowitzyuhong: ah OKJun 04 00:06
schestowitzyuhong: so why do you defend them:Jun 04 00:06
schestowitz?Jun 04 00:07
schestowitzThey don't even monitorJun 04 00:07
schestowitzThey are like botsJun 04 00:07
schestowitzThey use sofwtare tools and automated reponseJun 04 00:07
yuhongWhich is not a good idea, agreed.Jun 04 00:07
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Visible_TechnologiesJun 04 00:07
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schestowitzThere is no such thing as "hell", which is a shame, cause there's no place for them to goJun 04 00:07
yuhongAutomated responses are not a good idea.Jun 04 00:07
schestowitzOKJun 04 00:07
schestowitzSo we've settledJun 04 00:08
yuhongBut just monitoring is different.Jun 04 00:08
schestowitzIt's badJun 04 00:08
schestowitzNoJun 04 00:08
schestowitzIt's not "just" monitoringJun 04 00:08
schestowitzit's a brutal industryJun 04 00:08
schestowitzAnd it's AstroTurf, IMHOJun 04 00:08
schestowitzOr it needs a name nameJun 04 00:08
schestowitzLike trollingJun 04 00:08
schestowitzLet's call it "blog-bot-bombing"Jun 04 00:08
schestowitzOr "blog terrorism"Jun 04 00:08
yuhongIt isn't but it is still not a good idea due to other reasons.Jun 04 00:08
schestowitzThat ought to give them a suitable labelJun 04 00:08
yuhongGood, thank you.Jun 04 00:09
yuhongMaybe even classify it as blogspam.Jun 04 00:09
cubezzzfacebook isn't that good eitherJun 04 00:09
cubezzz"I stubbed my big toe today"Jun 04 00:09
yuhongThank you for creating a new label, thank you.Jun 04 00:10
yuhongI am going to class it as blog spam, you agree?Jun 04 00:11
yuhongI am going to class it as blogspam, you agree?Jun 04 00:11
schestowitzI'm doing some posts ATMJun 04 00:11
yuhongOK.Jun 04 00:12
yuhongHooray, you just created a new type of blogspam.Jun 04 00:13
yuhongOr to be more precise, comment spam.Jun 04 00:15
cubezzzwhich could be astroturfing...Jun 04 00:16
yuhongIf it had no disclosure.Jun 04 00:16
yuhongBut even if it is not astroturfing, for one thing, people will stop believing them and consider it annoying.Jun 04 00:17
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schestowitzSOmetimes it doesn't, yuhongJun 04 00:17
schestowitzLike when Microsoft AstroTurfers hit techrightsJun 04 00:17
yuhongOf course, and that is astroturfing.Jun 04 00:17
yuhongBut even if it is not astroturfing, for one thing, people will stop believing them and consider it annoying.Jun 04 00:18
yuhongIt is bad practice.Jun 04 00:18
schestowitzNovell did this tooJun 04 00:18
schestowitzUsing pseudonymsJun 04 00:18
schestowitzThe IPs came from Novell.comJun 04 00:18
yuhongI know.Jun 04 00:18
yuhongIt can border on spam.Jun 04 00:18
cubezzzare we keeping #boycottnovell ?Jun 04 00:19
yuhongI am thinking of writing a blog article on this type of blogspam.Jun 04 00:19
cubezzzor just move to #techrights ?Jun 04 00:19
yuhongIf it has disclosure, it is not asturturfing, but it is still blogspam.Jun 04 00:21
yuhongAnyway, three cheers for inventing a new term for this.Jun 04 00:21
yuhongTo differeniate it from social media montoring which is OK and avoid any more confusion.Jun 04 00:22
yuhongJust monitoring is OK but spamming is not.Jun 04 00:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Security Lies From Microsoft, Whose ‘Security Essentials’ Brick #Windows http://ur1.ca/05ccpJun 04 00:24
TechrightsTitle: More Security Lies From Microsoft, Whose Security Essentials Brick Windows | Techrights .::. Size~: 82 KBJun 04 00:24
yuhongBTW, why do you keep citing the Vista 7 is fundementally flawed article when it has been throughly debunked?Jun 04 00:25
yuhongRight here on IRC.Jun 04 00:25
cubezzzwhat article?Jun 04 00:25
cubezzzit's really the user that determines securityJun 04 00:26
cubezzztheir knowledge levelJun 04 00:26
schestowitzcubezzz: will use both channelsJun 04 00:26
yuhongThe one that talked about a boot-time rootkit.Jun 04 00:27
yuhongAgainst Windows.Jun 04 00:27
schestowitz[00:25] <yuhong> BTW, why do you keep citing the Vista 7 is fundementally flawed article when it has been throughly debunked?Jun 04 00:27
schestowitzNoJun 04 00:27
schestowitzIt's notJun 04 00:27
cubezzzyou know why I don't like windows?Jun 04 00:27
yuhongAs proof.Jun 04 00:27
cubezzzit's a bloated pigJun 04 00:27
cubezzzoink oink oinkJun 04 00:27
schestowitzBloated pig?Jun 04 00:27
schestowitzit's like saying "big animal"Jun 04 00:28
yuhongDid you see my IRC converstations on this?Jun 04 00:28
cubezzzyeah, it need a ton of ram to run wellJun 04 00:28
schestowitzOr "criminal Microdsoft"Jun 04 00:28
yuhongI am trying to dig old IRC logs.Jun 04 00:28
schestowitz"big elephant"Jun 04 00:28
cubezzzbloatedJun 04 00:28
cubezzzLinux is bloated too, to a lesser degreeJun 04 00:28
cubezzzthat's why I run old LinuxJun 04 00:28
schestowitzYou can change thatJun 04 00:28
schestowitzuse the source,LukeJun 04 00:29
cubezzzoh you know it :)Jun 04 00:29
schestowitzLinux runs in embeddedJun 04 00:29
schestowitzTiny footprintJun 04 00:29
schestowitzAll the way up to supercomputersJun 04 00:29
cubezzzyes, usually on 2.4 Jun 04 00:29
cubezzzI know you don't like oldJun 04 00:29
cubezzzwe still use intel 8051 chip... it does the jobJun 04 00:30
cubezzzbut as you say, we can change itJun 04 00:30
cubezzzre: lInux Jun 04 00:30
schestowitzNewsweek being sold: http://paidcontent.org/article/419-newsweek-now-has-at-least-three-official-suitors/Jun 04 00:32
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schestowitzOld paperJun 04 00:32
cubezzzgoing to give descent 3 a go with the spaceorb ;)Jun 04 00:33
Aondomiss that gameJun 04 00:34
yuhongAnyway, the rebuttal involved oiaohm, as I remember.Jun 04 00:34
Aondoforsaken was good tooJun 04 00:34
cubezzzwell I've had this spaceorb for years and never used itJun 04 00:34
cubezzzjust realized I have a linux module for itJun 04 00:35
yuhongTo be more precise, it was the evidence used in that article that was rebutten.Jun 04 00:35
yuhongWhich involved a boot-time rootkit.Jun 04 00:35
yuhongSadly, oiaohm is not here.Jun 04 00:35
schestowitzit's not one articleJun 04 00:38
schestowitzit's manyJun 04 00:38
schestowitzgnJun 04 00:38
yuhongYes, but this one is the worst, which is why I am focusing on it.Jun 04 00:38
yuhongI am doing research on Radian6 to see if they premote this kind of automated response.Jun 04 00:38
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yuhongIf not, then Radian6 can be laid off.Jun 04 00:39
yuhongAnd I make clear that only this kind of automated response have this problem.Jun 04 00:40
yuhongThere are other ways to respond which do NOT have this problem.Jun 04 00:41
yuhongAgreed?Jun 04 00:41
yuhongI am going to do a blog post.Jun 04 00:42
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yuhongAnd to clarify, I was not asking that the entire list be deleted, only the article about Vista 7 being fundamentally flaws deleted fromm the list.Jun 04 01:10
yuhongAnd to clarify, I was not asking that the entire list be deleted, only the article about Vista 7 being fundamentally flawed deleted fromm the list.Jun 04 01:11
yuhongI know that there are other articles on the list.Jun 04 01:11
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WireWulfmm i just got paid wooJun 04 01:17
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oiaohmMy system today just go to is 10 year old birthday without a reinstall.  Ok its had a harddrive clone in that time but not a true reinstallJun 04 01:38
cubezzzwhich OS?Jun 04 01:39
cubezzznot win2K I hope? :)Jun 04 01:40
oiaohmDebianJun 04 01:40
oiaohmYes its been inplace upgraded the complete way.  cubezzzJun 04 01:41
oiaohmOf course I have had some interesting times because of doing inplace upgrades but hey.Jun 04 01:41
oiaohmAnd after 10 years it has some quirks as well.   Mostly because I am too lazy to go fix.Jun 04 01:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] On Monday I am going to be releasing the new and updated Severed Fifth website. Stay tuned (pun intended), folks! #severedfifthJun 04 02:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Want to keep up with the latest Severed Fifth news? Well, then make sure you follow the new @severedfifth Twitter account! #severedfifthJun 04 02:41
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oiaohmHmm my upgrade run of debian has been interesting this time.  The complete way I have end up using less overall diskspaceJun 04 05:06
oiaohmAnd its not me removing packages.  I have added packages.Jun 04 05:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Attempts to Measure Ubiquity of #GNU #Linux Distribution Are Concluded http://ur1.ca/05duvJun 04 06:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Runs on 94.6% of World's Top Servers http://ur1.ca/05duw http://ur1.ca/04sew http://ur1.ca/05duxJun 04 06:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Linux 2.6.35 RC3, New Linux.com Changes http://ur1.ca/05dxq http://ur1.ca/05dxsJun 04 06:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Games: Console, New GPL Release, Others http://ur1.ca/05dxr http://ur1.ca/05dxt http://ur1.ca/05dxu http://ur1.ca/05dxwJun 04 06:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Glimpse at #GNOME Shell in GNOME Desktop 3 http://ardchoille42.blogspot.com/2010/06/revisiting-gnome-shell.htmlJun 04 07:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Releases of #SystemRescueCd (1.5.5) and a Look at Three Distros That Fit on a Floppy Disk http://ur1.ca/05e6k http://ur1.ca/05e6lJun 04 07:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Architect of #Microsoft ’s Patent Strategy Has Left the Building http://ur1.ca/05e9z more #swpats news in http://ur1.ca/05ea0Jun 04 07:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Attack on #GNU #Linux and #ODF Continues http://techrights.org/2010/06/04/microsoft-playing-unfair/ mostly linksJun 04 07:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of #Slackware 13.1 and #Pardus 2009.2 RC http://ur1.ca/05b4y http://ur1.ca/05b4z http://ur1.ca/05b50Jun 04 07:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Founder on Sharing Culture http://mashable.com/2010/05/31/free-music-sharing/Jun 04 07:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Reason Why the Digital Economy Bill is Doomed to Fail http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/jun/01/digital-economy-act-will-failJun 04 08:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Access/Content" Movement Spreads Further http://ur1.ca/05ejt http://ur1.ca/05ejuJun 04 08:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Partial FOSS workaround for Flash on Iphones, ipads. http://is.gd/cC1abJun 04 08:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera the hype* are better off without it, as it would make them less attractiveJun 04 08:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Good and bad transparency - http://bit.ly/9TvDKo OK points, but I don't buy "naked transparency movement” fearmongeringJun 04 08:47
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schestowitzWhat is data science? http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/06/what-is-data-science.htmlJun 04 08:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Gnubio startup sups with the devil to mitigate worst of gene patent system. More detail of how this will work is needed. http://is.gd/cC2KBJun 04 08:56
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schestowitzDan Gillmor at salon  http://www.salon.com/technology/dan_gillmor/2010/06/02/introductory_postJun 04 08:56
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schestowitzpro-Microsoft site a lot of the timeJun 04 08:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] We are also providing the live-streaming of marriage/party to website. contact me if you wanna be first. nominal charges. only at NCR now.Jun 04 09:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Very positive piece from the Irish Times reporting directly from Portland Open Source Bridge conference. http://is.gd/cC3Gs #floss #fossJun 04 09:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Nice spam there quidco, [Enter subject line] in the subject. Jeez. How unprofessional.Jun 04 09:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Linux win. Quebec government acted illegally in buying Microsoft software without looking at alternatives. #floss #foss http://is.gd/cC4pnJun 04 09:24
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schestowitzhttp://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/37440Jun 04 09:29
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schestowitz"A Phoenix nun along with a hospital Ethics Committee made the decision to go forward with a procedure that aborted an 11-week pregnancy and saved the life of the mother. Sister Margaret McBride was then speedily excommunicated by the Catholic church."Jun 04 09:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @satipera Linux win. Quebec government acted illegally in buying Microsoft software without looking at alternatives. http://is.gd/cC4pnJun 04 09:34
schestowitzhttp://www.niemanlab.org/2010/06/step-aside-brand-loyalty-were-loyal-to-information-now/Jun 04 09:34
TechrightsTitle: CBC News - Technology & Science - Quebec broke law in buying Microsoft software .::. Size~: 30.4 KBJun 04 09:34
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schestowitzhttp://www.courthousenews.com/2010/06/03/27795.htmJun 04 09:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Steve Ballmer seems to have changed his mind as to who are the biggest threats to Microsoft. http://is.gd/cC6bz #floss #fossJun 04 09:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.gizmag.com/worlds-strongest-beers/15256/ that must taste disgustingJun 04 09:53
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MinceRr4wrJun 04 10:02
schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/109843/jumbo-dual-screen-tablet-kno-debuts-d8Jun 04 10:08
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schestowitzCheck out the screen sizeJun 04 10:08
schestowitzThis can actually be a decent work machineJun 04 10:08
schestowitz"The Kno is a big device, having two 14.1 inch (1440 x 900) capacitive touch screens."Jun 04 10:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] My other computer with a full size case is starting to remind me of a sideboard sized Grundig Radiogram I remember from my childhood.Jun 04 10:09
MadRobot*sigh*...Jun 04 10:25
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMxNwJun 04 10:25
TechrightsTitle: [Phoronix] Even With MeeGo, Poulsbo & Moorestown Are Crap .::. Size~: 19.16 KBJun 04 10:25
schestowitzPhoronix says "crap"Jun 04 10:25
schestowitzNot usual for itJun 04 10:25
schestowitzAnd calling next Linux "disaster"Jun 04 10:25
MadRobotI have to admit. Video editing in Linux is still problematic.. ><Jun 04 10:25
schestowitzWhy so dramatic?Jun 04 10:25
schestowitzMadRobot: unless you use proprietary software on itJun 04 10:26
schestowitzLike some studios doJun 04 10:26
MadRobotschestowitz, true. Unfortunately..Jun 04 10:26
oiaohmEnd of year one of the closed source proprietary ones on Linux is going open sourceJun 04 10:26
schestowitzSame with CADJun 04 10:26
MadRobotBoth Pitivi and OpenShot are still miles away from usability.Jun 04 10:27
MadRobotAnd animation.Jun 04 10:27
schestowitzhttp://mjg59.livejournal.com/123618.htmlJun 04 10:27
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oiaohmMadRobot: give me a sec.Jun 04 10:27
MinceRschestowitz: well, IDG took over phoronix and they slowly but surely turned anti-FLOSS. i told you so.Jun 04 10:27
oiaohmThere is a really good one coming.Jun 04 10:27
oiaohmI saw it when I was around blendernationJun 04 10:27
MadRobotoiaohm, what good one?Jun 04 10:27
schestowitzMinceR: I wouldn't go /that/ farJun 04 10:27
schestowitzBut Michael is sometimes not honestJun 04 10:27
MinceRespecially see the last time when the article title says 'durr hurr winblows is so much faster than ubuntu" and then the results and the summary says otherwiseJun 04 10:27
schestowitzLike claiming some test code to be a "disaster" for LinuxJun 04 10:28
MinceRi took it out of my feed2imaprc alreadyJun 04 10:28
schestowitzAnd other sites /did/ accuse Phoronix of going over the top thereJun 04 10:28
MinceRalong with slashdotJun 04 10:28
schestowitzSlashdot advetises IE9 earlirJun 04 10:28
schestowitzAs 'article'Jun 04 10:28
MinceRso did index.huJun 04 10:28
MinceRon every pageJun 04 10:28
schestowitzBut /. used to be worseJun 04 10:29
schestowitzI came back to itJun 04 10:29
MinceRso i took that out of my feed2imaprc tooJun 04 10:29
MinceRall these fake news sourcesJun 04 10:29
schestowitzNot fakeJun 04 10:29
schestowitzMaybe biasedJun 04 10:29
schestowitzBut Phoronix attacted a Linux crowdJun 04 10:29
schestowitzAfter the pro-Windows articles the IRC channel jumped from 40 people to over 100Jun 04 10:29
schestowitzWithin daysJun 04 10:29
MinceRwell, it will either lose them or turn them into m$ fanboys nowJun 04 10:30
oiaohmhttp://www.blendernation.com/editshare-announces-first-ever-lightworks-open-source-platform/ lightworks  MadRobotJun 04 10:30
TechrightsTitle: EditShare Announces First Ever Lightworks Open Source platform | BlenderNation .::. Size~: 61.32 KBJun 04 10:30
schestowitzMaybe it'\s cause PTS got ported to WindowsJun 04 10:30
oiaohmYes one of the very big boy tools of video editing. MadRobotJun 04 10:30
MinceRi think it's possible to write sw for winblows without becoming a m$ cultistJun 04 10:30
MinceRi somehow succeeded at itJun 04 10:31
schestowitzThe IRC channel is still Linux orientedJun 04 10:31
oiaohmThen blenders own internal Movie editor is being updated as well.  MadRobotJun 04 10:31
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMxNQJun 04 10:32
TechrightsTitle: [Phoronix] The Big Linux 2.6.35 Kernel Problem Is Fixed .::. Size~: 17.68 KBJun 04 10:32
schestowitzBoo hooJun 04 10:32
schestowitzANd he made a fuss over itJun 04 10:32
oiaohmAnd his ass got roasted as well.Jun 04 10:32
MinceRhe had to, his corporate overlords at IDG told him toJun 04 10:32
schestowitz"With yesterday's automated kernel tests via our Phoromatic-powered test farm that monitors the Linux kernel performance on a daily basis with the results being available at kernel-tracker.phoromatic.com. Using the 2 June kernel from the Ubuntu mainline PPA no longer causes a major performance hit and all of the test result values have returned to their levels prior to this kernel bug that lasted about one week. "Jun 04 10:33
schestowitzMinceR: noJun 04 10:33
schestowitzThey don't impact contentJun 04 10:33
schestowitzAnd I never suggested soJun 04 10:33
MinceRexcept that we've just discussed that they doJun 04 10:33
schestowitzWhat I did say is, they can assign ads based on their clientsJun 04 10:33
MinceRor he became a m$ cultist before making a deal with IDGJun 04 10:33
schestowitzLike Microsoft adsJun 04 10:33
schestowitzHe doesn't need to change his biasesJun 04 10:33
oiaohmMadRobot: still around have you used lightworks before?Jun 04 10:33
schestowitzRoblimo is back to writring :-)Jun 04 10:33
schestowitzIDGJun 04 10:33
schestowitzOopsJun 04 10:33
MinceRwell, he did, regardless of whether he had toJun 04 10:34
schestowitzJupitermedia I thinkJun 04 10:34
schestowitzBrian Proffitt does IDGJun 04 10:34
oiaohmI have a felling Linux foundation might have sent him a nice dirty letter.Jun 04 10:34
oiaohmOver the so call Linux issue.Jun 04 10:34
schestowitzMinceR: trouble began when he ported to OS XJun 04 10:34
schestowitzThen WindowsJun 04 10:34
schestowitzAfter SolarisJun 04 10:34
schestowitzSun treated him well, which got them lots of publicityJun 04 10:34
schestowitzJavaONEJun 04 10:34
schestowitzoiaohm: don't think soJun 04 10:35
schestowitzAlthough he's friends with themnJun 04 10:35
schestowitzThey invite him to invite-only LF summitsJun 04 10:35
schestowitzBut anyway, leave him alone, he's OKJun 04 10:35
oiaohmRead closer.Jun 04 10:35
oiaohmInvite only is more how much you will pay.Jun 04 10:35
oiaohmUnless you are a developerJun 04 10:36
schestowitzhttp://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2010/06/qubes-highly-secure-os-powered-by-xen.htmlJun 04 10:37
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schestowitzxen is dead for LinuxJun 04 10:37
MinceRthe IT industry needs to get rid of m$ and crApple so that IT news will be about facts, not biases, religions and politicsJun 04 10:38
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/03/red_hat_novell_acquisition_look_at_anything/Jun 04 10:39
TechrightsTitle: Could Red Hat be Novell's spouse? • The Register .::. Size~: 28.83 KBJun 04 10:39
schestowitzSilly ideaJun 04 10:39
schestowitzThe RegJun 04 10:39
schestowitzKelly!Jun 04 10:39
schestowitzMinceR: it's not thatJun 04 10:40
schestowitzIt's advertisingJun 04 10:40
schestowitzApple and Microsoft advertise a lotJun 04 10:40
schestowitzAnd they develop trade press cultures this wayJun 04 10:40
MinceRyes, they "advertise" a lotJun 04 10:40
MinceRalso, suits are in control of the industry instead of engineersJun 04 10:41
schestowitzSee "66 pages of evilness"Jun 04 10:41
schestowitzMicrosoft plans to control the IT pressJun 04 10:41
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2009/02/08/microsoft-evilness-galore/Jun 04 10:41
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MinceRlike i said, the industry needs to get rid of themJun 04 10:41
schestowitz"There are many channels of communication. There’s one-on-one. This is the staple of evangelism, where you and a bunch of people go sit down in a room and you sell them on your idea. You should support Microsoft’s Internet technology because of these three reasons…OK, and so forth. That’s why you should do it, and we’ll make it easy and we’ll ensure that you make money and we’ll give you lots of exposure and it’s theJun 04 10:41
schestowitzbest thing for you. "Jun 04 10:41
schestowitzLong quote:Jun 04 10:42
schestowitz"Channels of information. They’re developer magazines. Developers love to read other people’s experiences. I remember when I was first learning programming, I was subscribing to a magazine that seemed to solve the problem I was working on every month.. Every month I’d be encountering this new problem and racking my brain, trying to figure out how to deal with it, and this magazine would come out and it solved the problem. it Jun 04 10:42
schestowitzwas amazing. It was a very introductory kind of magazine, though, and I got to a certain point where it wasn’t useful any more. But there’s a zillion programmer magazines. There’s not just Microsoft Systems Journal; there’s also…gosh, what is it, WinTech Journal, the DOS/Windows Programmers Journal; there used to be something called the OS/2 Programming Magazine, it was then OS/2 and Windows, which was then Windows and OS/Jun 04 10:42
schestowitz2, and now it’s just Windows, and.. .and so on, OK? There’s lot’s of independent programming journals. You want to infiltrate those. Again, there’s two categories. There’s those that are controlled by vendors; like MSJ; we control that. And there’s those that are independent. The ones that we control, you use. It’s an opportunity for consultants and so forth to get their stuff published, right? You can say, if you do Jun 04 10:42
schestowitzthis…if you join this beta program, I’ll give you early access to the technology. Your deliverable is a magazine article, OK? I’m not asking you to ship a product by a certain schedule, but you must ship me an article with sample code and so forth, which I will then get published in MSJ, which will then establish you as an expert in the field, which will help your consulting business. Everybody wins, OK? So that’s how you Jun 04 10:42
schestowitzuse journals that we control. The ones that third parties control, like the WinTech Journal, you want to infiltrate. You want to get yourself onto the advisory committee that picks out which authors are published and which ones aren’t, or which topics are covered and over these special issues, things like that Just be so helpful that they can’t do without you, and then make sure that things go your way. Just help those magazinesJun 04 10:42
schestowitzlike crazy. Encourage new writers. Magazines…technical magazines face the same problems that we do in hiring evangelists. They’ve got to find people who are both very technical and know how to string words together in sentences that make sense, and people are not usually trained in both. You usually get one or the other. It’s like…when I was going to school, I was…you know, I was a science major. I wasn’t going to take Jun 04 10:42
schestowitzany of these artsy-fartsy language and stuff classes. That’s for those losers who are in Liberal Arts, and basket-weaving classes. And so most people don’t do both. So when you can find somebody who can write an article well and point him at one of these magazines: Ooh, that’s great. Magazines love that. They owe you. "Jun 04 10:42
MinceRtl;drJun 04 10:42
schestowitzRead itJun 04 10:42
schestowitzIt's very revealing, from Microsoft itselfJun 04 10:42
MinceRi guess the summary would be "m$ gives journalists an offer they can't refuse"Jun 04 10:43
schestowitzSteve SopranoJun 04 10:43
schestowitzhttp://ptlbindia.blogspot.com/2010/06/linux-on-top.htmlJun 04 11:06
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schestowitz"The name "Linux" comes from the Linux kernel, originally written in 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux being technical in nature, users were shying away from using the same. The proprietary software also played a major role in the limited growth of Linux as these proprietary software are more easy to use than command based Linux environments."Jun 04 11:06
schestowitzForgets GNUJun 04 11:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Any place where I can listen/watch webinars/telecast on open technologies ?Jun 04 11:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Anyone know how to stop Nokia from sending me tips via SMS? Kinda pointless now I don't have a Nokia phone.Jun 04 11:30
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schestowitzpotholer rocks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5eFM6C3lfcJun 04 11:40
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MadRobotoiaohm, thanks for the link you gave me earlier.Jun 04 11:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Maybe I should not have been so hasty as to delete the message from Nokia, can't reply with STOP now. Wait for next spam from them.Jun 04 11:48
oiaohmAlso keep a eye on blender it self MadRobotJun 04 11:49
oiaohmIts very much becoming a Office suite of 3d movie production.Jun 04 11:49
MadRobotoiaohm, wow. Really? I can do Non-Linear editing stuff?Jun 04 11:50
MadRobotIt*Jun 04 11:50
oiaohmIt been able to do Non-linear for 20 years.  MadRobotJun 04 11:52
oiaohmIe blenderJun 04 11:52
oiaohmThe interface has suxed. MadRobotJun 04 11:52
oiaohmfor over 20 years.Jun 04 11:53
oiaohmVideo editor was one of blenders early added features.Jun 04 11:53
MadRobotI see.Jun 04 11:53
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/Mark_Antony/statuses/15404684442Jun 04 11:53
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schestowitz"Who should buy Novell? My humble suggestion is a VC-backed consortium lead by Dr Roy @schestowitz"Jun 04 11:53
MadRobotsuxed?Jun 04 11:53
schestowitzhe says "suxed" a lotJun 04 11:54
schestowitzSeems unusualJun 04 11:54
schestowitzLike a merging of sucks and sexJun 04 11:54
oiaohmRemember blender started life before any rules of good GUI design existed MadRobotJun 04 11:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The stand off lasted 10 minutes until the Israelis opened fire. http://is.gd/cCcPP #flotilla #occupation #PalestineJun 04 11:55
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oiaohmSo was almost 100 percent keyboard driven with mouse to move things.   MadRobotJun 04 11:55
MadRobotoiaohm, does the Py2.6 Blender defer from the Py2.5 one?Jun 04 11:55
MadRobotI see.Jun 04 11:55
MadRobotoiaohm, but the last time I tried it, it was pretty cool.Jun 04 11:56
oiaohmpy2.6 and py2.5 define python engine inside.Jun 04 11:56
oiaohmOther than that nothing.Jun 04 11:56
oiaohmBlender 2.5.0 alphas are kinda going to the other side MadRobotJun 04 11:57
oiaohmA program that you can recode interface on fly is kinda warped.Jun 04 11:57
MadRobotoiaohm, I know what Py2.6 and Py2.5 means. But that was silly question, anyways. :-PJun 04 11:58
MadRobotCool!Jun 04 11:58
oiaohmSome scripts depend on a particular version python.Jun 04 12:05
oiaohmThat people have.Jun 04 12:05
oiaohmUntil they update them of course.  MadRobotJun 04 12:05
MadRobotI see.Jun 04 12:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: Welcome to the Ministry of Truth AKA Apple. Web standards == Safari only. http://www.apple.com/html5/Jun 04 12:17
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MadRobotoiaohm, the problem I'm facing isn't actually the non-linear video editing programs, they are with the bloated desktop screencasting software.Jun 04 12:42
MadRobotFor example, the videos I made with gtk-recordmydesktop won't work under any Non-Linear editing software.Jun 04 12:43
oiaohmAre you sure.Jun 04 12:43
oiaohmDoes ffmpeg play them.Jun 04 12:44
MadRobotThey don't even work properly in ffplay and melt. When played with these programs they appear completely corrupted.Jun 04 12:44
oiaohmIf so blender can work with  them.Jun 04 12:44
oiaohmOk so what is it recording into.Jun 04 12:44
MadRobotoiaohm, I just tried one in blender. Same problem.Jun 04 12:44
oiaohmI have had to use vlc to transcode before with some programs.Jun 04 12:44
MadRobot.ogvJun 04 12:44
oiaohmDo the videos play in vlc?Jun 04 12:45
oiaohmIf so we can fix.Jun 04 12:45
oiaohmOk little quality lossJun 04 12:45
MadRobotoiaohm, let me try to record a new sample video, 'coz the current ones are just horrible. Jun 04 12:49
oiaohmCheck out your record optionJun 04 12:49
MadRobotRecord option?Jun 04 12:50
oiaohmadvance button MadRobotJun 04 12:51
MadRobotoiaohm, yeah. But what should I change?Jun 04 12:51
oiaohmPerformance full shots every frame that should make the file large but compadible.Jun 04 12:52
oiaohmAnd zero compression as well.Jun 04 12:52
MadRobotEncode on the fly?Jun 04 12:52
oiaohmNopJun 04 12:52
MadRobotOkay.Jun 04 12:53
MadRobotRecording now.Jun 04 12:53
oiaohmBasiclaly we need recoding to play in ffmpeg to be able to use a lot of different editors.Jun 04 12:54
oiaohmThere are a few ways to attempt to get there.Jun 04 12:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] HTTP 500 errors aside, I have deleted my nokia account completely. Hope this stops spam.Jun 04 13:02
MadRobotOkay, and now it seems I just screwed up my Python Path. What a wonderful day, lol. :-PJun 04 13:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Why do celebs retweet messages that were sent to them, appending the reply? Twitter is not email.Jun 04 13:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Co-worker talking to herself as she codes. I wonder if I do that and don't notice.Jun 04 13:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Quebec Opens the Floodgates to Litigation for Pro- #Microsoft Discrimination in #Governments http://ur1.ca/05g4d #canadaJun 04 13:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Jack (Schofield) Cites Microsoft Employee About #Apple Product, Without Disclosure http://ur1.ca/05g8v #hypepadJun 04 14:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz I think the Microsoft’s CEO considers Apple to be a top competitor link in MS Jack story may be an error.Jun 04 14:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz If that link was humour, my apologies.Jun 04 14:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Nokia Sued #Apple First (or Why Apple is Possibly the ‘Bad Guy’) http://ur1.ca/05gga #swpats #linux #patent response to @eeefakJun 04 14:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Cá assobiam para o ar e fazem de conta que nada se passa. «Quebec broke law in buying Microsoft software» http://ur1.ca/05d1wJun 04 14:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] O Secretário de Estado responsável por estes projectos considerados ilegais pela CE e Comissão de Inquérito já se demitiu, ou ainda assobia?Jun 04 14:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Se não se demite, está na hora de ser demitido...Jun 04 14:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ou ele recebeu ordens para beneficiar a Microsoft, a Intel e a JP Sá Couto, entre outros?Jun 04 14:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] just ordered my first book from flipcart - facebook programmingJun 04 14:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] "A tender was made, but only to authorized Microsoft dealers." tal e qual o concurso para o Magalhães 2Jun 04 14:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another Vice President Leaves #Microsoft , Yahoo! Still Suffers Microsoft’s Grip http://ur1.ca/05gl6Jun 04 14:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] E no Canadá o concurso seria obrigatório acima de 25.000 dólares canadianos. Aqui aumentaram a despesa para cerca de 75.000 €.Jun 04 14:56
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ZiomatrixBoth Steves at D8 snub customer self reliance with a truck and car analogy for PCs and tablets stating that most people will soon only need cars. http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/03/jobs-the-pc-is-a-truck-ballmer-theres-a-reason-theyre-calle/Jun 04 15:04
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ZiomatrixI probably should have used a url masker for that. I wonder if in the future websites will go after folks automatically for what they deem "unauthorized hyperlinking?"Jun 04 15:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera you're right, it's fixed nowJun 04 15:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Surrenders in Another #Patent Case and Proves Yet Again That Its Patents Are Worthless http://ur1.ca/05gpe #swpats #BackWebJun 04 15:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Promiscuity is Failure, Patent Selectively is Success http://ur1.ca/05gxa #uspto #swpats #medicineJun 04 16:03
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] why the [name] !gnu should not be added to !linux : http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-June/057408.html [rant] by a lawyerJun 04 16:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] if No GNU then No Linux even! <rant>RT: @sagarun: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-June/057408.html </rant>Jun 04 16:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Várias infracções à lei envolvendo despesismo continuado do estado com software: http://transparencia-pt.org/?search_str=microsoft&sort=2Jun 04 16:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] 5 MILHÕES DE € para a Microsoft, que agradece aos CTT: http://www.base.gov.pt/_layouts/ccp/AjusteDirecto/Detail.aspx?idAjusteDirecto=86879Jun 04 16:21
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Seen the huge list of blogs on the recent #Fedora Activity Day in Pune, India? http://ur1.ca/05gyu #foss #linux (via @stickster)Jun 04 16:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Dell UK confirms Hardware Warranty NOT affected when users wipe Windows and install Ubuntu! http://bit.ly/aI6fzmJun 04 16:23
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sebsebsebHiJun 04 16:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Só este ano já foram 7.852.868,45 € (quase 8 MILHÕES) para a Microsoft via ajuste directo. Esta vergonha não para?Jun 04 16:27
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ender2070http://bit.ly/9F6y85Jun 04 16:32
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Nobody got fired for buying Microsoft (just sued) http://bit.ly/9F6y85Jun 04 16:33
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ender2070:)Jun 04 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Excelentíssimo Primeiro Ministro: por cada € gasto em Microsoft, desconte um € dos meus impostos (pronto, ilibe-me de pagar).Jun 04 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Portuguese direct benefits to Microsoft without any kind of procurement: 2009 = 26.471.745,03 € / 2010 = 7.852.868,45 €Jun 04 16:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] e-escolinhas and e-escolas rendered Microsoft about 100 million € more.Jun 04 16:36
ender2070laterJun 04 16:38
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neighborleeI could give a rats behind about M$ atm actiually I could easily  learn to love them/work with them somehow*ugh*, atm im more worried about the poor animals dieing in flocks, due to gulf oil spilllJun 04 16:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] e-escolinhas and e-escolas (under European Comission investigation) rendered Microsoft about 100 million € more.Jun 04 16:38
neighborleeand you know how much in my gut I dispise what M$ has done..Jun 04 16:38
neighborleecall your senator and tell them BP's pathetic apology minisules and is MOOT compared to the lives and work lost and animals death..I did you can tooJun 04 16:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Different bits of news about #Novell , including what appears like an imminent sale of the company http://ur1.ca/05h3mJun 04 16:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Em tempo de crise, Portugal continua o "bailout" à Microsoft. É só facturar...Jun 04 16:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A Oracle, que é tida como muito mais cara que a Microsoft, de 2008 a 2010 "só" custou 10 milhões de € em ajustes directos.Jun 04 16:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @chrisblizzard: Laughing pretty hard at the #html5 demos from #Apple that require you to install Safari. Totally. Missed. The. Point.Jun 04 16:53
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I can see a flame war is starting in #ilugc mailing list. Me ain't going to feed 'em :PJun 04 16:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Favourite and ruling party candidate in the Colombian run off election wants better relations with Venezuela and Ecuador. http://is.gd/cCvWiJun 04 17:01
TechrightsTitle: Frontrunner seeks better ties with Chavez / LJWorld.com .::. Size~: 48.33 KBJun 04 17:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] What are the real reasons for the USA having 7 military bases in Colombia? http://is.gd/cCx3bJun 04 17:16
TechrightsTitle: U.S. troops shouldn&rsquo;t be on Colombian bases .::. Size~: 102.83 KBJun 04 17:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @satipera Tal vez debería pedir a los cárteles de la droga colombiana al respecto?Jun 04 17:20
DaemonFCB-)Jun 04 17:20
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schestowitzHey, neighborleeJun 04 17:21
zer0c00lhey schestowitzJun 04 17:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @DaemonFC: Stated reasons and actual reasons are not the same thing.Jun 04 17:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @popey Dell UK confirms Hardware Warranty NOT affected when users wipe Windows and install Ubuntu! http://bit.ly/aI6fzmJun 04 17:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @sagarun why the [name] #gnu should not be added to #linux : http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/pipermail/ilugc/2010-June/057408.html > hilarious!Jun 04 17:26
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schestowitzneighborlee: I can't call your senator Jun 04 17:28
schestowitzhi, zer0c00lJun 04 17:28
zer0c00l:)Jun 04 17:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, and even if you could, you'd get a 3 page taxpayer-funded form letter of why you can go fuck yourself. In polite terms of course, with your considerations in mind at all times.Jun 04 17:30
DaemonFCB-)Jun 04 17:30
DaemonFCThey can get away with anything because there's nobody to replace them with that would do things differently, schestowitz Jun 04 17:31
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DaemonFCI love the two-party system, it's one more choice than you get in Communist ChinaJun 04 17:32
DaemonFCB-)Jun 04 17:32
fulano2040lolJun 04 17:32
MinceRbut what a choiceJun 04 17:32
MinceRyou get to decide who does the exact same thing under the control of the exact same megacorpsJun 04 17:33
fulano2040Hey I have a dilema here and I like to make something like a pollJun 04 17:33
MinceRgo aheadJun 04 17:34
fulano2040If I fix something in mono Jun 04 17:34
DaemonFCMinceR, I decided what costume to wear to Inconjunction this yearJun 04 17:35
DaemonFC:DJun 04 17:35
fulano2040It will be wrong to do it considering that it will help m$ even if it will help developers that were forced to use c# and now have to deal with the new idea of a boss that decided that a windows only app should be cross paltform?Jun 04 17:36
DaemonFCM.A.C.O.Jun 04 17:36
DaemonFCI think I'll have the rank of  MajorJun 04 17:36
DaemonFC:DJun 04 17:36
MinceRDaemonFC: wutJun 04 17:37
DaemonFCMACO, the commando units of StarfleetJun 04 17:37
DaemonFCEnterprise :PJun 04 17:37
MinceRicJun 04 17:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "و ما أشهدتهم خلق السماوات و الأرض و لا خلق أنفسهم و ما كنت متخذ المضلين عضدا" - سورة الكهف 18, الآية 51Jun 04 17:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell is Knowingly Seeding #GNU #Linux , #MeeGo and #Android With #Microsoft Patents http://ur1.ca/05het #swpatsJun 04 17:39
TechrightsTitle: Novell is Knowingly Seeding GNU/Linux, MeeGo and Android With Microsoft Patents | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.29 KBJun 04 17:39
DaemonFChttp://scifi-models.com/product_images/t/maco_left__82781.jpgJun 04 17:39
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MinceRfulano2040: i have no idea. at least from this amount of information.Jun 04 17:39
DaemonFCthat'll be the hardest part of the cosutme to come up withJun 04 17:40
schestowitzzoobab: http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/interview/red-hat-ceo-whitehurst-blasts-software-patents-7489Jun 04 17:41
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DaemonFCschestowitz, cause GNU scares the fish awayJun 04 17:41
DaemonFCof courseJun 04 17:41
DaemonFC:PJun 04 17:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: looks like gun/handcuff comboJun 04 17:41
DaemonFCschestowitz, I guess I could take one of my ownJun 04 17:42
DaemonFCwouldn't look right, but if I kept it in holster, I might passJun 04 17:42
schestowitzWhat for?Jun 04 17:43
schestowitzTo rescue Jabba in case of injury?Jun 04 17:43
schestowitzYou increase risk by carrying oneJun 04 17:43
MinceRlolJun 04 17:43
schestowitzYou encourage an opponent in 'da hood' to use oneJun 04 17:43
schestowitzFor 'defence'Jun 04 17:44
schestowitzYou are more likely to shoot an armed personJun 04 17:44
DaemonFChttp://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2667/dscf2846r.jpgJun 04 17:44
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schestowitzSo you paint a target on yourselfJun 04 17:44
schestowitz"Don't taze me, bro"Jun 04 17:44
DaemonFCI think mine packs more punchJun 04 17:45
DaemonFC:PJun 04 17:45
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkMkGOpAF4sJun 04 17:45
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DaemonFCsaw it alreadyJun 04 17:45
DaemonFCyou don't want to be the guy in a firefight with a taserJun 04 17:45
DaemonFCif the other guy is using live roundsJun 04 17:45
DaemonFC:DJun 04 17:45
DaemonFCyou get one shot that may disable himJun 04 17:46
DaemonFChe has 10-15 that will kill youJun 04 17:46
DaemonFCyou tell me who has the advantageJun 04 17:46
DaemonFCthe police are usually using restraint in deploying the taserJun 04 17:46
DaemonFCI sure as hell wouldn't want to have to use oneJun 04 17:47
DaemonFCI also wouldn't feel sorry for the guy they shot if they killed him, usuallyJun 04 17:47
schestowitzIt sounds like rattle snakes (one kind of then)Jun 04 17:47
DaemonFCwaving a gun around at the police is not the brightest idea everJun 04 17:47
schestowitz*themJun 04 17:47
DaemonFCand if you manage to kill one of them and somehow live to be arrested, you'll be looking at a life sentence if you're lucky, and much more likely to get sentenced to deathJun 04 17:49
DaemonFCjuries don't tend to show cop killers much mercyJun 04 17:49
MinceRbetter not leave any witnesses or clues then :>Jun 04 17:50
fulano2040The think  is that I as a programmer see some advantages of c# over javaJun 04 17:50
schestowitzYaweh sees EVERYTTHING! :-)Jun 04 17:50
DaemonFCthe death sentence is usually applied to those who deserve itJun 04 17:51
DaemonFCopponents point out to the corner cases where a tenth of one percent of death row inmates are acquitted laterJun 04 17:51
schestowitzNot in the UKJun 04 17:51
MinceRschestowitz: that which does not exist can not see :>Jun 04 17:51
DaemonFCit takes a unanimous vote by a jury of 12 to impose the death sentenceJun 04 17:52
MinceRfulano2040: is that worth the legal problems?Jun 04 17:52
DaemonFCand then the guy can appeal it several timesJun 04 17:52
fulano2040so i was thinking in contribute some bug fixes to monoJun 04 17:52
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH2jlyo8bKEJun 04 17:52
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fulano2040but I wasn't aware of all the possible missuse of my work to serve m$ interestJun 04 17:53
schestowitz[17:52] <fulano2040> so i was thinking in contribute some bug fixes to monoJun 04 17:53
schestowitzWe do that tooJun 04 17:53
schestowitzThere's a big bugJun 04 17:53
MinceRmono itself? :>Jun 04 17:54
schestowitzbug #1 is that it helps MicrosoftJun 04 17:54
MinceRno, waitJun 04 17:54
MinceRm$ itselfJun 04 17:54
fulano2040yes thats the problemsJun 04 17:54
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=Kassie+Dill+&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Jun 04 17:54
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schestowitzHehe. ScarredJun 04 17:54
schestowitza good mono is one that has many bugsJun 04 17:55
schestowitzImproving it only helps itJun 04 17:55
fulano2040they did something interesting with c# technically the concept is good Jun 04 17:56
DaemonFCschestowitz, I was able to jury rig Windows Media Player 12Jun 04 17:56
fulano2040the whole idea of creating and il for support other programming languages is neatJun 04 17:57
DaemonFChttp://img708.imageshack.us/f/27931213.png/Jun 04 17:57
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fulano2040but there are better projects like llvm that take that Idea in a improved wayJun 04 17:58
MinceRfulano2040: have you tried Vala?Jun 04 17:58
fulano2040not yet I saw some examples the other day and I liked itJun 04 17:59
fulano2040if matture enough to be use in a production environment?Jun 04 18:00
DaemonFChttp://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6602/11800381.pngJun 04 18:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Ok, so using contentEditable=true, I need to use Keypress event to litsen as onchange is not available.Jun 04 18:00
MinceRfulano2040: i don't really know ValaJun 04 18:01
MinceRbut is mono mature enough to be used in a production environment? :>Jun 04 18:01
schestowitzJun 04 18:02
schestowitz[17:56] <fulano2040> they did something interesting with c# technically the concept is good Jun 04 18:02
schestowitzYou mean, Java, right?Jun 04 18:02
DaemonFCMinceR, I wonder if I could make a Directshow-compatible encoderJun 04 18:02
MinceRah, we're back to DaemonFC showing off his winblows desktop on #boycottnovell Jun 04 18:02
MinceRboring.Jun 04 18:02
MinceRwell, there are two concepts thereJun 04 18:02
schestowitzMinceR: viral buzz marketingJun 04 18:03
MinceRthe concept of java and the concept of "let's steal java and corrupt it to our ends"Jun 04 18:03
schestowitzCats, guns, Ballmer, and Vista7 Jun 04 18:03
MinceR:>Jun 04 18:03
schestowitzNot necessarily in that oder :-)Jun 04 18:03
MinceRthere isn't even anything special to that desktop, since it's inflexibleJun 04 18:03
schestowitz*order, not odour (Ballmer had me do a Freudian slip)Jun 04 18:04
MinceRlolJun 04 18:04
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/04/sports/04rhoden.htmlJun 04 18:04
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schestowitzCanonical Delivers Ubuntu Advantage Service Offering for Linux Desktop and Server UsersJun 04 18:05
schestowitzhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Canonical-Delivers-Ubuntu-Advantage-Service-Offering-for-Linux-Desktop-and-Server-Users-400449/Jun 04 18:05
TechrightsTitle: Canonical Delivers Ubuntu Advantage Service Offering for Linux Desktop and Server Users - Linux and Open Source from eWeek .::. Size~: 117.82 KBJun 04 18:05
schestowitz"Canonical is preparing to introduce a new service option for Ubuntu Linux users, known as Ubuntu Advantage."Jun 04 18:05
schestowitzFirst thing I thought was, "Ubuntu Genuine Advantage" (WGA)Jun 04 18:05
MinceRlolJun 04 18:06
MinceRwith DRM and product activationJun 04 18:06
DaemonFChttp://img168.imageshack.us/img168/5283/70785790.pngJun 04 18:06
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MinceRElive already has product activationJun 04 18:06
DaemonFCMinceR, You won't hear it on the radio, but it is playing on WMP in Ogg :)Jun 04 18:06
schestowitzCE=consumer electronicsJun 04 18:06
schestowitzCoicidence?Jun 04 18:06
schestowitz"Windows CE (also known officially as Windows Embedded Compact  or Windows Embedded CE post version 6.0"Jun 04 18:07
schestowitz--wikipediaJun 04 18:07
MinceRwindows CEMENTJun 04 18:07
schestowitzMinceR: probably easy to crackJun 04 18:07
DaemonFCCE Me and NT?Jun 04 18:07
schestowitzMinceR: yeah, I thought that too 2 minutes agoJun 04 18:07
MinceRDaemonFC: indeedJun 04 18:08
schestowitzThere's no CE leftJun 04 18:08
schestowitzZUNENTJun 04 18:08
schestowitzwindows cement http://blip.tv/file/340692/Jun 04 18:08
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schestowitzhttp://sf.eater.com/archives/2010/06/03/farmer_bauer_files_his_thursday.phpJun 04 18:09
TechrightsTitle: Ubuntu Hangs Onto Its Starry Glory Even Without Jeremy Fox : Week in Reviews : Eater SF .::. Size~: 43.09 KBJun 04 18:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @janhusar: Italian #Parliament to switch to GNU/Linux and #OpenOffice http://bit.ly/diImNf #italyJun 04 18:09
TechrightsTitle: IT: Parliament to switch to GNU/Linux and Open Office &mdash;  .::. Size~: 28.54 KBJun 04 18:10
schestowitzjono: still in touch with ReverendTed?Jun 04 18:10
fulano2040they added some things o the java concept as ahead of time compilation the use of propertiesJun 04 18:10
MinceRschestowitz: doesn't playJun 04 18:10
schestowitzjs=flatJun 04 18:10
MinceRfulano2040: afaik java started with ahead of time compilationJun 04 18:10
jonoschestowitz not reallyJun 04 18:10
MinceRJIT only came laterJun 04 18:11
*DaemonFC h4x0rz into the TechRights server and replaces schestowitz's Ogg files with Windows Media 10 Professional, and his articles with Folgers Crystals.Jun 04 18:11
DaemonFCLet's see if he noticesJun 04 18:11
DaemonFCB-)Jun 04 18:11
schestowitzjono: in 2006 he talked to me about you...Jun 04 18:11
schestowitzLUG radio..Jun 04 18:11
schestowitzHis blog is silentJun 04 18:11
schestowitzJun 04 18:11
schestowitz[18:10] <fulano2040> they added some things o the java concept as ahead of time compilation the use of propertiesJun 04 18:11
schestowitzEmbrace and EXTENDJun 04 18:11
DaemonFCMinceR, It was so fast that it went into the future to compile it and bring you back the results?Jun 04 18:11
schestowitzCan't extinguish without some "extend"Jun 04 18:12
DaemonFCWhere was this mythical JAVA you speak of?Jun 04 18:12
MinceRDaemonFC: nopeJun 04 18:12
jonoschestowitz oh?Jun 04 18:12
schestowitzMinceR: I have ogg of that videoJun 04 18:12
schestowitzIn techrightsJun 04 18:12
DaemonFCthe only JAVA that was ever that fast was the MS Java VM, which wasn't even really JAVA by the time they got done with itJun 04 18:12
MinceRas for properties, even java 1.4 had themJun 04 18:12
MinceRand that was still only a toy languageJun 04 18:12
fulano2040I would liket to  have that option now by defaul in every sdk of javaJun 04 18:13
MinceRhm, i'm not sure about thisJun 04 18:13
MinceRbetter ask a java guru :)Jun 04 18:13
schestowitzjabba?Jun 04 18:13
MinceRi didn't touch java much since 1.4Jun 04 18:13
MinceRthey've fixed a lot of things about it since thenJun 04 18:13
DaemonFCschestowitz, I hate it when Jabba has the runs in his sandboxJun 04 18:13
DaemonFC:PJun 04 18:13
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/06/linaro-nonprofit-aims-to-fight-arm-linux-fragmentation.arsJun 04 18:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @ruiseabra ♺ @janhusar: Italian #Parliament to switch to GNU/Linux and #OpenOffice http://bit.ly/diImNf #italyJun 04 18:14
TechrightsTitle: IT: Parliament to switch to GNU/Linux and Open Office &mdash;  .::. Size~: 28.54 KBJun 04 18:14
schestowitzHow come the bird gets the bird?Jun 04 18:14
fulano2040what you mean by properties in javaJun 04 18:14
schestowitzDaemonFC: get that pooper scooper.......Jun 04 18:15
fulano2040I mean the concept of properties instead of using getter and setter metthosJun 04 18:15
DaemonFCI like my cat, I have no idea why I like my catJun 04 18:15
DaemonFChe doesn't do much that benefits meJun 04 18:16
DaemonFCbut I like my catJun 04 18:16
MinceRsyntactic sugar for getter and setter methods?Jun 04 18:16
DaemonFC:PJun 04 18:16
fulano2040yes thats isJun 04 18:16
fulano2040is something very simple that is not yet in javaJun 04 18:16
DaemonFCschestowitz, Why do humans keep cats as pets?Jun 04 18:16
schestowitzTransplantsJun 04 18:16
schestowitzIn China, for lunchJun 04 18:16
DaemonFCthat's horribleJun 04 18:17
schestowitzBut that one goes in the frisgeJun 04 18:17
schestowitz*fridgeJun 04 18:17
DaemonFCthat is just completely awfulJun 04 18:17
schestowitzYesJun 04 18:17
MinceRfulano2040: i seeJun 04 18:17
schestowitzIt's hard like a rocjJun 04 18:17
DaemonFCif I saw someone kill a cat for food, I'd shoot the personJun 04 18:17
schestowitzDaemonFC: you need to defrost it firstJun 04 18:17
DaemonFCI'm sorry, but I honestly wouldJun 04 18:17
DaemonFCit offends me that badJun 04 18:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: but you east bacon and beedJun 04 18:18
schestowitz*beefJun 04 18:18
DaemonFCpigs are stupidJun 04 18:18
schestowitzWe need a new word for car foodJun 04 18:18
schestowitz*cat foodJun 04 18:18
schestowitzWhere "food" refers to the cat, now what s/he eatsJun 04 18:18
schestowitzHow about MinceR?Jun 04 18:18
schestowitzAs in, tonight we east mutton, tomorrow Mincer (cat)?Jun 04 18:19
MinceRwhatJun 04 18:19
MinceRfulano2040: our java experts are unavailable. :>Jun 04 18:19
schestowitzMinceR: processed catJun 04 18:19
schestowitzMinceR: you know, like we make new words to euphemise murderJun 04 18:19
MinceRwhy do you want to eat carnivorous mammals?Jun 04 18:19
schestowitzLike "burger" or "kebab"Jun 04 18:19
schestowitzI never hear someone he's "cooking a cow"Jun 04 18:20
MinceRthey're cooking beefJun 04 18:20
MinceRwhich is a word for cow meatJun 04 18:20
schestowitzOr boiling an aborted chickJun 04 18:20
schestowitzbeef?Jun 04 18:20
MinceRsince cows are rarely cooked wholeJun 04 18:20
fulano2040yes beefJun 04 18:20
DaemonFCsteakJun 04 18:20
MinceRand i doubt that "egg" is an euphemism for murder :>Jun 04 18:20
DaemonFCftwJun 04 18:20
DaemonFCsteak goes well with eggsJun 04 18:21
fulano2040lolJun 04 18:21
DaemonFCmaybe some hashbrowns tooJun 04 18:21
DaemonFCwith salt and ketchupJun 04 18:21
DaemonFCand coffee, blackJun 04 18:21
schestowitzMinceR: depends what eggJun 04 18:21
schestowitzThere are human eggs tooJun 04 18:21
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MinceRand they aren't murder eitherJun 04 18:21
schestowitzWe use Apple's iTampon for itJun 04 18:21
schestowitzOr iPadJun 04 18:21
MinceRthey're merely potential for disaster.Jun 04 18:21
schestowitzThe word butcher is botchedJun 04 18:23
schestowitzIt's now almost the same as 'murderer', but not quote there yetJun 04 18:23
schestowitzAlso, we now have machines to do the death without an 'undertaker' so to speakJun 04 18:24
schestowitzYou can blame machines for the deathsJun 04 18:24
schestowitzAnd then you just pick up dead bodies and turn them to foodJun 04 18:24
schestowitzSlaughterhouses are off the mapJun 04 18:24
schestowitzUnless you seatch YouTube for animal rights groupsJun 04 18:24
schestowitz*rchJun 04 18:24
schestowitzhttp://www.ozcarguide.com/technology/cellphone-pda/3245-iphone-os-40-lg-flutter Meh.Jun 04 18:25
schestowitzMore whitewashJun 04 18:25
schestowitzOpen this, open thatJun 04 18:25
MinceRkneel and open your mouth?Jun 04 18:26
MinceRthat "flutter" concept looks unusableJun 04 18:27
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX6ADbr6QmgJun 04 18:27
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schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqjtz3rEPG0&NR=1Jun 04 18:28
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- A shock in the nuts!! .::. Size~: 89.59 KBJun 04 18:28
schestowitzhttp://blogs.pcmag.com/miller/2010/06/steve_jobs_at_d8_tablets_and_i.phpJun 04 18:31
TechrightsTitle: Steve Jobs at D8: Tablets and iPad Can Surpass PCs - Forward Thinking by Michael J. Miller .::. Size~: 52.67 KBJun 04 18:31
schestowitzMurdoch press meets them anually... a ritual/pilgrimage of Microsoft and AppleJun 04 18:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Perhaps this is the first think I liked from Microsoft team - HTML+time http://bit.ly/cbYqk2 http://bit.ly/aYx4vh #microsoftJun 04 18:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The gmail logo is starting to look like it ought to have been Novell's new logoJun 04 18:35
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schestowitzSpam in press releases: http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/xtuple-web-portal-links-its-customers-and-their-business-partners,1326435.shtmlJun 04 18:40
TechrightsTitle: xTuple Web Portal Links its Customers and their Business Partners | Earth Times News .::. Size~: 55.34 KBJun 04 18:40
schestowitz" Tweet this: Open source business management software provider #xTuple releases xTuple Web Portal, CRM integration with #Drupal - http://bit.ly/clKVv6 "Jun 04 18:40
TechrightsTitle:             Access Denied / User Login | Open Source ERP for Mac, Linux and Windows         .::. Size~: 20.71 KBJun 04 18:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Turkish PM tells Israel "thou shalt not kill" Christians, Jews,Muslims all find their own reasons for ignoring that inconvenient rule.Jun 04 18:44
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schestowitzWhat is this "Open Source Content Management System solution Umbraco"?Jun 04 18:48
DaemonFCupgrading my old computer with that 4670 :)Jun 04 18:50
DaemonFCwaste not want notJun 04 18:50
DaemonFCdebating on whether I should take the wireless card out of the old system and put it in hereJun 04 18:51
DaemonFChow much power do those draw?Jun 04 18:52
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oiaohmhttp://www.osnews.com/story/23411/Apple_s_HTML5_Showcase_Isn_t_HTML5_Blocks_Other_Browsers  Seen this yet schestowitzJun 04 18:55
TechrightsTitle: Apple's HTML5 Showcase Isn't HTML5, Blocks Other Browsers .::. Size~: 23.43 KBJun 04 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] #FollowFriday with a metal theme: @severedfifth @Anthrax @IronMaidenFC @MolotovSolution @FSEANCC @theacaciastrain @metalinjectionJun 04 18:58
DaemonFChmm, that card has HDMIJun 04 18:58
DaemonFCI may hook it up to my TVJun 04 18:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Shot Of Jaq - The Magic Touch - http://bit.ly/buGLKO - we give the tablet craze the #shotofjaq treatment - let us know your thoughts!Jun 04 19:00
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DaemonFChttp://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6889/picture47u.jpgJun 04 19:03
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DaemonFCB-)Jun 04 19:03
oiaohmHmm new clientJun 04 19:04
oiaohmNot as good with laged connect.Jun 04 19:04
oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/TransferSummit-The-practical-magic-of-open-source-1014579.html   I wish I could attentend.Jun 04 19:04
DaemonFChttp://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3286/picture50c.jpgJun 04 19:04
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DaemonFCThat's the newer oneJun 04 19:05
DaemonFC:DJun 04 19:05
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schestowitzMadRobot: http://www.fas.org/blog/secrecy/2010/06/osc_jordan.htmlJun 04 19:08
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MadRobotschestowitz, OSC?Jun 04 19:09
DaemonFCI now have 3 PCs and a MacJun 04 19:10
DaemonFCdamnJun 04 19:10
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DaemonFCa couple more years at this rate and I can open up a coffee bar in my apartmentJun 04 19:10
DaemonFC:PJun 04 19:10
oiaohmI do have 2 macs and the same number of PC's.Jun 04 19:11
oiaohmOnly the macs I have are old ones.Jun 04 19:11
oiaohmI have them for there cases I like the looks of them.Jun 04 19:11
DaemonFCmine is a PowerPC MacJun 04 19:12
DaemonFCit has Fedora on itJun 04 19:12
DaemonFCthey still haven't released Fedora 13 for the PPCJun 04 19:12
DaemonFC:PJun 04 19:12
oiaohm2 imacsJun 04 19:13
oiaohmBothing Linux thin termianls these days.  DaemonFCJun 04 19:13
oiaohmIe nice looking but basically gutless.Jun 04 19:14
DaemonFCthe system itself is a Dual G4 1.2 Ghz, 1 GB DDR400, and an ATI Radeon 9800 that I gutted out of an old PCJun 04 19:14
DaemonFCit works, the GPU is kind of weakJun 04 19:14
DaemonFCit's better than the ATI Race card that came with itJun 04 19:14
DaemonFC*RageJun 04 19:14
oiaohmFasted one of mine is a PPC single core 900 mhzJun 04 19:14
oiaohmSlowest one is 500 MhzJun 04 19:15
oiaohmAs I said basically gutlessJun 04 19:15
oiaohmand the graphics card is poor.Jun 04 19:15
DaemonFCdid Intel ever fix their 64-bit support?Jun 04 19:15
DaemonFCthey had a feature caleld Macro Fusion that didn't work in X86-64 modeJun 04 19:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FollowFriday @ruiseabra @satipera @nsisodiyaJun 04 19:15
DaemonFCat least on the Core 2, which is what I haveJun 04 19:15
oiaohmNopJun 04 19:15
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oiaohmIt still only sometimes works.Jun 04 19:16
oiaohmCompared to not works at all.Jun 04 19:16
DaemonFCI like my Phenom II much betterJun 04 19:16
DaemonFCI have an all AMD system nowJun 04 19:17
DaemonFCit works much betterJun 04 19:17
DaemonFCIntel just makes unreliable overpriced crap it seemsJun 04 19:17
DaemonFCthey don't seem to have any quality standards on their motherboard partnersJun 04 19:18
DaemonFCeither the board physically fails or it never worked right to begin with due to a bad BIOSJun 04 19:18
schestowitzhttps://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/390572/8e232774d2ee4c9e/Jun 04 19:18
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DaemonFCboth things happened to me with the same systemJun 04 19:18
oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Google-hosts-ten-terabytes-of-patents-for-the-US-patent-office-1015907.htmlJun 04 19:18
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oiaohmHmm this could be nasty.Jun 04 19:18
cubezzzfaster isn't always betterJun 04 19:18
cubezzzyou have a closed source biosJun 04 19:18
DaemonFC"We're ACPI certified by Microsoft"Jun 04 19:19
DaemonFC\best line everJun 04 19:19
DaemonFCMe: "Oh, that explains everything then, thank you"Jun 04 19:19
DaemonFC:DJun 04 19:19
oiaohmThat is panic.Jun 04 19:19
oiaohmACPI tests from Microsoft are defectiveJun 04 19:19
oiaohmEven for running MS OS'sJun 04 19:20
DaemonFCI wonder if they've revised the BIOS since fixing it over that incident?Jun 04 19:20
DaemonFCI'm still running the BIOS ROM they sent to me via emailJun 04 19:20
oiaohmYepJun 04 19:20
DaemonFCI don't ever flash the BIOS unless I'm experiencing the problem the new one says it fixesJun 04 19:20
oiaohmYou are talking about foxconn mess DaemonFC?Jun 04 19:21
DaemonFCyesJun 04 19:21
oiaohmThese days foxconn uses the Linux hardware compadiblity testJun 04 19:21
cubezzzno problem, flash away, but first make a backup of your biosJun 04 19:21
cubezzzlike, another physical flash chip Jun 04 19:21
oiaohmThey were very sorry over the MS mess.Jun 04 19:21
oiaohmMS and standards kinda don't mix.Jun 04 19:21
DaemonFCthey fixed it then never revised the BIOS for that board againJun 04 19:22
DaemonFClolJun 04 19:22
DaemonFC8/11/08 "Fixed Ubuntu can't restart when S3 resume from Linux OS (Ubuntu 8.04.1)"Jun 04 19:22
DaemonFClolJun 04 19:22
cubezzzpeople just don't practise preventative maintainenceJun 04 19:22
DaemonFChave there been any other Foxconn Linux issues since that?Jun 04 19:22
oiaohmYes foxconn is trying to forget they ever made the board.Jun 04 19:23
DaemonFCoiaohm, They had one of their engineers call me, I think he was in the UKJun 04 19:23
oiaohmDaemonFC:  you are missing the worst bit for FoxconnJun 04 19:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Nigel Babu announces Project Cleansweep - we need your help to review these awesome Ubuntu patches - http://bit.ly/aPTJlv #ubuntuJun 04 19:23
DaemonFCCarl BrunningJun 04 19:23
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oiaohmTaht last bios update fixed a stack of Windows crashing issues the board was having.Jun 04 19:23
DaemonFCwe had a talk about that boardJun 04 19:23
oiaohmBasically everyone was screwed by MS diagnostics.Jun 04 19:24
DaemonFChe said they were trying to get rid of them because they cost more to make than they were selling them forJun 04 19:24
oiaohmMade was not exactly the word.Jun 04 19:24
DaemonFCoiaohm, So the Linux crash and freeze issue was causing problems for Windows as well?Jun 04 19:24
oiaohmDrivers and techicall support trying to fix the issues it was having.Jun 04 19:25
oiaohmWas expensive DaemonFCJun 04 19:25
DaemonFCbut didn't they certify it for Vista?Jun 04 19:25
DaemonFCwhy would it be a problem on Vista?Jun 04 19:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thinking of starting meme similar to the rickroll that whenever anyone whines about software/freedom, link them to http://bit.ly/8y7VtEJun 04 19:25
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oiaohmVista random lockups.  DaemonFCJun 04 19:25
oiaohmYes it was vista certifedJun 04 19:26
DaemonFCso the update fixed Windows problems as well?Jun 04 19:26
oiaohmAnd Vista was running like a dog because the tests were wrong.Jun 04 19:26
DaemonFCI never noticed, I tried to avoid Windows at that pointJun 04 19:26
oiaohmYepJun 04 19:26
DaemonFCVista was too terrible to think about using on any kind of PCJun 04 19:26
DaemonFCsome people apparently managedJun 04 19:27
oiaohmOnce foxconn worked all this out all new boards are tested against the Linux hardware test suitJun 04 19:27
oiaohmSo at least one OS can run stable.Jun 04 19:27
DaemonFCit was annoying as all hell, it had tons of bugs, plenty of stuff that worked in XP stopped working in Vista, Vista was too slow to run on most hardware sold with XP...Jun 04 19:27
DaemonFCI know none of that was a news flash thoughJun 04 19:27
oiaohmBasically foxconn is not very impressed with MS.Jun 04 19:27
DaemonFCso if they test it with Linux, then they know Windows works too?Jun 04 19:28
oiaohmEven more stops working on 7Jun 04 19:28
oiaohmNo at least that way they know if they have a hardware fault or a software issue.Jun 04 19:28
oiaohmIe Linux works not a hardware fault.Jun 04 19:29
oiaohmIts software somewhere.Jun 04 19:29
DaemonFCoiaohm, I referred to their motherboards as the Weasel-con Macgyverboards at one pointJun 04 19:29
DaemonFC:PJun 04 19:29
DaemonFCWeasels that con you into buying a board you have to MacgyverJun 04 19:29
oiaohmIt was not only the end user who was having todo MacgyverJun 04 19:30
cubezzzSun hardware was betterJun 04 19:30
oiaohmthe board maker was as well DaemonFCJun 04 19:30
cubezzzstabilizer bars on the motherboard, better power supplies...Jun 04 19:30
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRkexJ-MBCQJun 04 19:31
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cubezzzoiaohm, who is impressed with Microsoft?Jun 04 19:31
cubezzzno oneJun 04 19:32
cubezzznot even shareholders nowJun 04 19:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] @jonobacon Sadly blocked in the UK due to some stupid copyright infringement.Jun 04 19:34
DaemonFCwhat's funny is I have Windows 7 Ultimate on my old computerJun 04 19:35
DaemonFCsadly I burned the free license up on that thingJun 04 19:35
DaemonFCthen got stuck with Home Premium on thisJun 04 19:35
DaemonFCthe funny thing is, they don't really seem all that different to me, but as a home user I guess they really wouldn'tJun 04 19:36
oiaohmHang on is that like box set equal licence.  DaemonFCJun 04 19:36
oiaohmIe transferableJun 04 19:36
oiaohmOr is that OEM class stuck.Jun 04 19:36
DaemonFCI have an OEM Home Premium, and a MSDN key for UltimateJun 04 19:37
DaemonFCbut it's a VLK x1Jun 04 19:37
DaemonFCso it would refuse to activate if I put it on hereJun 04 19:37
DaemonFCI also have a DreamSpark VLK x1 for Windows Server 2008 R2Jun 04 19:38
DaemonFCwhich I am using nowJun 04 19:38
DaemonFCand it is not entirely Windows 7 compatibleJun 04 19:38
oiaohmThat would be a single shot Mac key right.Jun 04 19:39
DaemonFCVLK lets you activate one motherboard, it works kind of like OEMJun 04 19:39
DaemonFCthe difference is that you can only register over the internet onceJun 04 19:40
DaemonFCif you need to again, you have to call the nuclear football hotline and get the launch codesJun 04 19:40
oiaohmNot always.Jun 04 19:40
oiaohmSome academces you can deactavte then move.Jun 04 19:41
DaemonFCnot with DreamSparkJun 04 19:41
DaemonFCand another thing is that free antivirus wonb't install on ServerJun 04 19:41
oiaohmBugger.Jun 04 19:42
DaemonFCthey make you buy really expensive server antivirus for $400Jun 04 19:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Automated telephone lines should be outlawed by the EU. Better customer service? #failJun 04 19:42
oiaohmEven inside neworks.Jun 04 19:42
oiaohmMost free anti-virus play up.Jun 04 19:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Watching cranky geeks (and other podcasts) whilst making a massive chilli for tea! Red wine ftw!Jun 04 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin wb, long time no seeJun 04 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Can't see the video outside of the US, well you can Cry Me a River at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0-m3xKdP9k #crymeariverJun 04 19:53
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DaemonFCoiaohm, http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/7940/picture54f.jpgJun 04 19:57
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DaemonFC32" monitorJun 04 19:57
DaemonFC:DJun 04 19:57
DaemonFChttp://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3096/picture56s.jpgJun 04 19:57
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cubezzzanyone recall when Linux got too big to put the all the binaries and source on one DVD?Jun 04 19:58
cubezzzI got a Redhat 8 DVD that had everything, install, gnome, kde, and all sourceJun 04 19:58
oiaohmTechincally it has not.  cubezzzJun 04 20:01
cubezzzhmmm?Jun 04 20:02
oiaohmTechinically it too large to fit on a 4 Gb DVD a 8 you can still fit most.Jun 04 20:02
oiaohm8 gb DVD are just too expensive.Jun 04 20:02
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cubezzzmaybe osdisc.com sells one with everythingJun 04 20:03
cubezzznot sureJun 04 20:03
oiaohmWe know to get worried we we start seeing blueray images.Jun 04 20:03
oiaohmRemember double sided DVD discs also exist.  cubezzzJun 04 20:04
oiaohmIe source 1 side binarys the other.Jun 04 20:05
oiaohmAnd are cheeper to press than 8 gb single sided.Jun 04 20:05
schestowitzChina bans evidence from torture http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia_pacific/10198592.stmJun 04 20:07
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schestowitzDaemonFC: you're a flowerJun 04 20:08
cubezzznano note looks interesting:Jun 04 20:08
cubezzzhttp://sharism.cc/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1&osCsid=bd185c951b3fe159a9b07596ddca17dcJun 04 20:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/06/03/Jean-Bray-turns-Eighty "Below are my brothers Don and Rob. Those who know what I may look like may detect a pattern."Jun 04 20:09
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schestowitzThey are all bald in this familyJun 04 20:09
cubezzz"windows 7 ultimate memory waster"Jun 04 20:10
MinceRto baldly go where no-one has gone before!Jun 04 20:10
DaemonFCK-Lite Codec Pack now has a DirectShow filter for VP8Jun 04 20:12
cubezzzCFL is so stupid, it's got like 8 teams, and two are called Roughriders :)Jun 04 20:12
cubezzzcouldn't they think of another name :-PJun 04 20:12
cubezzzactually they did change the name Jun 04 20:15
cubezzzback in 1996, I'm not a football fan :)Jun 04 20:16
cubezzzOttawa Roughriders are no moreJun 04 20:16
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schestowitzhttp://www.techtree.com/India/News/Samsung_Wave_Shipped_with_Infected_microSD_Card/551-111546-893.htmlJun 04 20:22
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schestowitzWin-onlyJun 04 20:22
DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/04/panda_cloud_anti_virus/Jun 04 20:23
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*DaemonFC whacks schestowitz with Panda Fog AntivirusJun 04 20:23
DaemonFC:)Jun 04 20:23
*MinceR invents Vapor ComputingJun 04 20:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Coins database is a great start but unless strict rules exist about classifying expenditure, sensitive spending will be expertly hidden.Jun 04 20:29
DaemonFCDuke Nukem ForeverJun 04 20:30
MinceRall your data will be stored and all your computing will happen on servers that will be released sometime in the futureJun 04 20:34
MinceRand will be located somewhere, but you won't know whereJun 04 20:34
MinceRsomeone might or might not care about your privacy, security and backing up your dataJun 04 20:35
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MinceRPanda Fog is what happens if you hit a panda with a railgun at point blank range. :>Jun 04 20:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Well, the new webm license will allow you to make close source app too. webm choose BSD license #webmJun 04 20:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @brunomiguel: #Google just updated #WebM license: #GPL compatible http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/googles-updated http://ur1.ca/05ii1Jun 04 20:47
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DaemonFCMinceR, I've found that hiding Internet Explorer prevents most malware infestationsJun 04 20:49
DaemonFCMicrosoft claims IE 8 is the most secure browser, but the results of people that have used it speak for themselvesJun 04 20:50
DaemonFCand "Protected Mode" hasn't helped at allJun 04 20:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] hehehe #cybercrime fascism bites Google ♺ @slashdot: Germany Finds Kismet, Custom Code In Google Car http://bit.ly/bv9uHTJun 04 20:50
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DaemonFCMinceR, Why would people use "cloud antivirus"?Jun 04 20:51
DaemonFCHow does it work anyway?Jun 04 20:51
DaemonFCtakes files from your disk and sends them WHERE exactly?Jun 04 20:51
DaemonFC:PJun 04 20:51
MinceRyou send your files somewhere, and then something happensJun 04 20:53
MinceRor nothing happensJun 04 20:53
MinceRyour files might be stored forever and made available for all governmentsJun 04 20:53
DaemonFCSchroedinger's Cat Antivirus?Jun 04 20:53
DaemonFCB-)Jun 04 20:54
MinceRyou might get a message saying that the files are infected or that they aren't infectedJun 04 20:54
DaemonFCI don't trust the very conceptJun 04 20:54
DaemonFCthe idea of something taking any file it damned well pleases and sends it off to god knows who to do who knows what withJun 04 20:55
DaemonFC"Behavioral Blocking"Jun 04 20:56
DaemonFCHeuristics have been used in antivirus for yearsJun 04 20:56
DaemonFCbut now it's "Behavioral Blocking"Jun 04 20:56
MinceRhttp://xkcd.com/573/Jun 04 20:57
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DaemonFCdoes it mention how often their "Behavioral Blocking is wrong and deletes a system file?Jun 04 20:57
DaemonFCof course notJun 04 20:57
MinceRif it was a windows system file then it wasn't wrongJun 04 20:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Issue 4547 - android - DROID NO FONT SIZE ADJUSTMENT - Do Google care?, seems not, shame :( http://tinyurl.com/yblfg25Jun 04 20:59
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DaemonFCMinceR, What amuses me is the Fisher-Price GUIs on some antivirus programsJun 04 21:01
MinceRthe better to fit their environmentJun 04 21:01
DaemonFCif you see a GUI like that, the antivirus product itself is probably not going to help you muchJun 04 21:01
MinceRof courseJun 04 21:01
MinceRmost AV products suckJun 04 21:01
MinceRplus if you're using windows you're in trouble anywayJun 04 21:01
DaemonFCNorton used to (don't know if they still do because I won't use Norton anything) require IE's rendering engine to render the user interface in their antivirus suiteJun 04 21:02
MinceRit's sad that symantec uses Norton's nameJun 04 21:02
DaemonFCNorton is also the AV that will slow your system down the mostJun 04 21:02
DaemonFCnothing else even comes closeJun 04 21:03
DaemonFCMinceR, Do you figure I'd get in trouble if I put all the Foobar2000 plug-ins in one gigantic installer that dumped them all into the users plugin folder?Jun 04 21:05
MinceRdunnoJun 04 21:06
DaemonFChmmm, looks like Security Essentials operates in some of the same ways as Panda Cloud AntivirusJun 04 21:20
DaemonFCparticularly the "Dynamic Signatures" bitJun 04 21:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] I don't miss facebook, my sisters status: "So embarrased did a silent but violent in a lift today it stank, this little kid started crying!"Jun 04 21:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I was offline for while due to phone issues......Jun 04 21:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Running Ubuntu inside Virtualbox under OSX. OSX says 17 mins till battery charged, Ubuntu says 15 mins until charged. Odd.Jun 04 21:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] This is a realistic basis for a peace and to be encouraged. European Jews for a Just Peace. EJJP. http://is.gd/cCMlt #occupation #palestineJun 04 21:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Everybody should watch this! -- The Economic Hitmen http://youtu.be/37Dvt2EqXF4Jun 04 21:55
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DaemonFC*sigh*Jun 04 22:02
DaemonFCI have to download some DRM bundle to watch TV from my satellite receiver on my PCJun 04 22:02
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balrogDaemonFC: which one?Jun 04 22:12
DaemonFCDirecTV2PCJun 04 22:12
balrogsee that's what I hate about DRMJun 04 22:12
balrogit doesn't stop "pirates"Jun 04 22:12
balrogit doesn't even make it harder for themJun 04 22:12
DaemonFCno, it's jsut a damned resource pigJun 04 22:12
DaemonFCand it makes you use WindowsJun 04 22:12
balrogthey'll get an hdcp-stripper and capture directJun 04 22:12
balrogewwJun 04 22:12
DaemonFCWindows Media Player was showing me the files on my DVR, but listed them as 0 minutes long and wouldn't open themJun 04 22:13
DaemonFCit suggested that it was a missing codec, so I installed the K-Lite Codec Pack and it still wouldn't playJun 04 22:13
DaemonFCalthough I did get a better MP3 decoder B-)Jun 04 22:14
balrogweJun 04 22:14
balrogew *Jun 04 22:14
balrogwhy are you using all that?Jun 04 22:14
balroganother thingJun 04 22:14
balrogyou remember hulu claimed one reason they can't go to html5 is because of drm?Jun 04 22:14
DaemonFCyeahJun 04 22:15
DaemonFCNetflix tooJun 04 22:15
balrogokayJun 04 22:15
DaemonFCbalrog, I got it to where  Ican rip to Vorbis, FLAC, and Lame in Windows Media PlayerJun 04 22:15
balrogHulu's DRM is uselessJun 04 22:15
DaemonFC:DJun 04 22:15
balrogDaemonFC: you don't want to rip FLAC in WMPJun 04 22:15
balroguse Exact Audio CopyJun 04 22:15
balrogit's proprietary, true, but it does a 'perfect rip'Jun 04 22:16
DaemonFCI know, I just wanted to see if I could get WMP to not suckJun 04 22:16
DaemonFCand apparently I couldJun 04 22:16
balrogon the Mac we have XLDJun 04 22:16
balrogfully open source, and the guy who programs that thing is a maniacJun 04 22:16
balrogupdates come out every week or more frequentlyJun 04 22:16
DaemonFCI kind of like having Windows Media Player depend on GPL'd libraries to do stuffJun 04 22:16
DaemonFCit's ironicJun 04 22:17
balrogwell I'd never use WMP to rip CDsJun 04 22:17
balroganyway Netflix uses silverlightJun 04 22:17
balrogHulu uses Flash with RTMPJun 04 22:17
balrogit's very easy to rip Hulu episodesJun 04 22:17
balroga few utilities and it's all automaticJun 04 22:17
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DaemonFCbalrog, unfortunately I have an awful lot of WMA files that Microsoft "donated to me" when they had that Urge store goingJun 04 22:30
DaemonFCdonated meaning their DRM system was pathetic and the files are now mine :)Jun 04 22:30
balrogDaemonFC: I'd probably attempt to strip the drmJun 04 22:30
balrogeven so, I dislike WMAJun 04 22:30
DaemonFCI didJun 04 22:30
balrogwhat bitrate are they?Jun 04 22:31
DaemonFC192k WMA 9.2Jun 04 22:31
balrogehhJun 04 22:31
balrogI don't like lossyJun 04 22:31
balrogand I don't like anything below 256kbps aac or MP3 V0Jun 04 22:31
DaemonFCI don't either, but it was a free trial of their subscription music serviceJun 04 22:31
balrog(or vorbis)Jun 04 22:31
balrogI see.Jun 04 22:31
DaemonFCthen I unDRM'd the filesJun 04 22:31
balrogdoes't music expire when you drop the subscription though?Jun 04 22:32
DaemonFCthe DRM tag is what enforces the expiration dateJun 04 22:32
DaemonFCI downloaded these back in 2006Jun 04 22:32
balrogahhaJun 04 22:32
DaemonFCthey're 4 years overdue to expire *grin*Jun 04 22:32
balroglolJun 04 22:32
balrogimho, when you rent music you rent itJun 04 22:32
DaemonFCoh, and on an unlicensed computer no lessJun 04 22:33
DaemonFC:DJun 04 22:33
balrogit's funny because my library is putting out audiobooks in collaboration with OverdriveJun 04 22:33
balrogsome are DRMed WMAs but others are un-DRMed MP3sJun 04 22:33
DaemonFCI have music in several formats nowJun 04 22:33
DaemonFCMP3, Ogg, Flac, AAC, and WMAJun 04 22:33
balrogI stick to FLAC [and apple lossless], AAC 256 or better, and MP3 V0 or betterJun 04 22:34
balrogogg is ok too but it's not as easy to play backJun 04 22:34
balrogas I use a Mac, or Linux, I don't want any WMAJun 04 22:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @ansol: New blog post: Parlamento Italiano migra desktops e servidores para software livre http://ur1.ca/05iwrJun 04 22:34
balrogI had trouble with ASF before :(Jun 04 22:34
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DaemonFCyes, MP3 plays on everything calling itself a portable media playerJun 04 22:34
DaemonFCfrom an ipod on down to the no name Chinese something or otherJun 04 22:34
DaemonFC:)Jun 04 22:34
DaemonFCthere's only three guarantees in lifeJun 04 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Acire/PyJunior Project Maintainers Required - http://bit.ly/bpGldF #acire #pythonsnippets #pyjuniorJun 04 22:35
DaemonFCdeath, taxes, and that MP3 does indeed play everywhereJun 04 22:35
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DaemonFCmy 1995 Ford Taurus plays MP3sJun 04 22:36
DaemonFC(it was an upgrade)Jun 04 22:36
balrogDaemonFC: does it play VBR MP3s?Jun 04 22:36
balrogI'll do CBR but only at 320Jun 04 22:36
DaemonFCyes, the deck itself isn't real oldJun 04 22:36
DaemonFCit has an audio in jack tooJun 04 22:36
DaemonFCso it could play the Vorbis files on my SansaJun 04 22:37
DaemonFCI thought it was odd that it can play WMAs on a CDJun 04 22:37
DaemonFCwho the hell would do such a thing?Jun 04 22:37
DaemonFCbut yeah, my car is Windows Media compatibleJun 04 22:38
DaemonFC:PJun 04 22:38
DaemonFCI guess the level of suck matches the carJun 04 22:38
balrog:(Jun 04 22:39
DaemonFCbalrog, I just can't get over how tinny and horrible WMA sounds at low bitratesJun 04 22:39
DaemonFCMicrosoft was calling it CD quality at 64kbps at one pointJun 04 22:39
MinceRlolJun 04 22:39
balrogwtf!?Jun 04 22:40
DaemonFC"If you use 24 kbps, you can send it over a dial up internet connection in real time!"Jun 04 22:40
DaemonFC:DJun 04 22:40
DaemonFCyeah, what's left of it anywayJun 04 22:40
DaemonFC:DJun 04 22:40
DaemonFCIs it just me, or did Nirvana record this album at the bottom of a swimming pool?Jun 04 22:41
DaemonFCB-)Jun 04 22:41
DaemonFCCoding Technologies is making the same sorts of "ZOMG MAGIC!!!!" claims about High Efficiency AACJun 04 22:42
DaemonFCit's good, but nothing is that goodJun 04 22:42
DaemonFCI mean, if I had to stream something at 64kbps, I'd use HE-AACJun 04 22:42
DaemonFCbut I'd rather just use a higher bitrateJun 04 22:43
MinceRi'd rather just use FLAC and stop worryingJun 04 22:43
DaemonFCHow did you make the terrorist give up Osama so fast?Jun 04 22:45
balrogDaemonFC: obviouslyJun 04 22:45
DaemonFCOh, I just made him listen to a Nine Inch Nails album in 24k WMA.Jun 04 22:45
balrogewwJun 04 22:45
MinceRthat's unfair to NINJun 04 22:45
balrogI want 24-bit flacJun 04 22:45
balrognot 24k wmaJun 04 22:45
DaemonFCbalrog, I had a utility from Microsoft at one pointJun 04 22:46
balrogyea?Jun 04 22:47
balrogwhat did it do?Jun 04 22:47
DaemonFC"Convert your MP3s to 64k WMA and save hard drive space"Jun 04 22:47
DaemonFC"You'll never tell the difference!"Jun 04 22:47
balrogEWWWJun 04 22:47
balrogconvert lossy to lossy!?Jun 04 22:47
DaemonFCyesJun 04 22:47
balrogthat's the last thing you'd ever want to doJun 04 22:47
DaemonFC64k WMA at thatJun 04 22:47
balrogeven 320kbps mp3 to aacJun 04 22:47
balrogneverJun 04 22:47
DaemonFCwell, Microsoft says converting 128k MP3 to 64k WMA is still CD qualityJun 04 22:48
DaemonFCare you saying they lie?Jun 04 22:48
DaemonFC:PJun 04 22:48
balroglook at a spectrogram of lossy-to-lossyJun 04 22:48
balrogask anyone who knows something about audioJun 04 22:48
balrogor better: look at a spectrogramJun 04 22:48
balrogaudacity has itJun 04 22:48
balrogyou'll see the high frequency cutoffJun 04 22:48
balrogand if you zoom in youll see blockingJun 04 22:48
balrogthen do a blind ABX testJun 04 22:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Quick FRI: Fri 11th June: Ubucon, Sat 12th June: I keynote SELF at 8am - all at http://www.southeastlinuxfest.org/ - be there! #ubuntuJun 04 22:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Me wanna too! ♺ @jwildeboer: Yay! My #transnational identity card is here! So proud! Official citizen of the first transnational REPUBLIC!Jun 04 23:00
DaemonFCMinceR, The church over next to the church, next to the church had an amusing sign out todayJun 04 23:06
DaemonFC"Come with me if you want to live"Jun 04 23:06
*gargoyle-grin has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Jun 04 23:06
DaemonFCapparently Jesus is a terminator reprogrammed by the resistanceJun 04 23:06
DaemonFCand Satan is a liquid metal anti-terminator-terminatorJun 04 23:07
DaemonFCit all makes sense nowJun 04 23:07
MinceR:>Jun 04 23:07
DaemonFC MinceR speaking of whichJun 04 23:09
DaemonFCTerminator 3 kind of suckedJun 04 23:09
DaemonFCI knew how it would end when his power supply malfunctioned and he threw it out the windowJun 04 23:10
DaemonFCand the movie still had like an hour left to go :(Jun 04 23:10
MinceRi liked itJun 04 23:10
DaemonFCbut come on, the terminator in the first two movies never had a hydrogen fuel cellJun 04 23:11
DaemonFChow come all of a sudden, an obsolete terminator model gets upgraded with two of them?Jun 04 23:11
DaemonFC:PJun 04 23:11
MinceRi don't remember anything about hydrogen fuel cellsJun 04 23:11
DaemonFCwell, a miniature reactor of some sort anywayJun 04 23:12
DaemonFCI remember him mentioning hydrogenJun 04 23:12
DaemonFCbrbJun 04 23:12
MinceRhydrogen fuel cells aren't called reactors, afaikJun 04 23:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez interesting video, thanksJun 04 23:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Freda is definitely mine. She can work the old Ixus i. http://is.gd/cCRjB- http://is.gd/cCRkc-Jun 04 23:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Only a month on and the Kin is discounted? http://tinyurl.com/2wt2l4u #microsoft #kin #fail #windows #zuneJun 04 23:31
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DaemonFCI've been listening to my music all dayJun 04 23:37
DaemonFCand I'm to SJun 04 23:37
DaemonFC:PJun 04 23:37
DaemonFCSystem of a Down :DJun 04 23:38
*MinceR is listening to: Ololuiqui - ChunksJun 04 23:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Oh golly. I just watched an episode of You Have Been Watching with @charltonbrooker and I think I have a bit of a crush on @VictoriaCorenJun 04 23:39
DaemonFCMinceR, I got into a sound war wit hthe downstairs neighbor finallyJun 04 23:39
DaemonFCand he lostJun 04 23:39
MinceR:)Jun 04 23:40
DaemonFCmy subwoofers are small, but I have many more of themJun 04 23:40
DaemonFC:DJun 04 23:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Already Trying to Infiltrate Canadian #Government Contracts by Pretending to be “Open” http://ur1.ca/05jjaJun 04 23:49
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MinceRgnJun 04 23:52

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