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cubezzzah there's the low-scan 15DTJun 09 00:00
cubezzzthat might workJun 09 00:00
cubezzzno BIOS evenJun 09 00:01
sebsebsebcubezzz: anyway you seem to be happy your running  old software at the moment?Jun 09 00:01
sebsebsebwell newer is not always better, and  yeahJun 09 00:01
sebsebsebgo back to 2004Jun 09 00:01
sebsebsebDesktop Linux was pretty good back then as wellJun 09 00:01
sebsebsebI guessJun 09 00:01
sebsebsebnow days 3D and uhJun 09 00:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @joaomiranda: Outra bolha que está para rebentar é a dos boys dos partidos.Jun 09 00:02
sebsebsebeven Gnome 3Jun 09 00:02
sebsebsebit will beJun 09 00:02
sebsebsebGnome ShellJun 09 00:02
sebsebsebcubezzz: so KDE 3 or KDE 4, which you prefer and why?Jun 09 00:03
cubezzzsebsebseb, I'm building another old computer actuallyJun 09 00:03
cubezzzKDE 4 sucks :)Jun 09 00:03
sebsebsebyou mean bringing it back from the dead?Jun 09 00:03
cubezzzI really don't like itJun 09 00:03
sebsebsebyeah I am not that keen on KDE 4 either,  why don't you like it?Jun 09 00:03
cubezzzI did bring KDE 3.4.2 back from the dead Jun 09 00:03
cubezzztoo elaborate and too slowJun 09 00:03
cubezzzless useableJun 09 00:03
sebsebsebmeaning what exactly?Jun 09 00:03
sebsebsebhow so?Jun 09 00:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] If #fedora 13's #firefox has pt_PT localization problems (eg, Save is C-s, quit/sair is C-s as well and bad), is that upstream or not?Jun 09 00:04
cubezzzsebsebseb, it can't run well on a p3Jun 09 00:04
cubezzzit's a lot slowerJun 09 00:04
sebsebsebok well sureJun 09 00:04
sebsebsebwhat about LXDE though or something like that?Jun 09 00:04
cubezzznever tried itJun 09 00:04
sebsebsebLXDE is apparnatly more lite waight than XFCE, its also pretty niceJun 09 00:04
cubezzzdoes it have anything like klipper?Jun 09 00:05
sebsebsebklipper sounds familur or somethingJun 09 00:05
sebsebsebnot sure what you mean thoughJun 09 00:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera why vpn?Jun 09 00:06
cubezzzthe clipboard thingieJun 09 00:06
sebsebsebuhmm not sureJun 09 00:06
sebsebsebworth a try thoughJun 09 00:06
sebsebsebnot used it much myselfJun 09 00:06
sebsebseband only in a vm when I didJun 09 00:06
sebsebsebLubuntuJun 09 00:06
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cubezzzbleahJun 09 00:06
sebsebsebcubezzz: hey we got ender here now,  aka  Atlas2070Jun 09 00:06
sebsebseba Fedora fan boy :DJun 09 00:07
sebsebsebcubezzz: he might find interesting what you been doing though, if doesn't already knowJun 09 00:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz I like my privacy but realise it will not be perfect.Jun 09 00:08
cubezzzsebsebseb, I used AROS and I'm looking at MenuetOSJun 09 00:09
sebsebsebwhatever those areJun 09 00:09
cubezzzlolJun 09 00:09
cubezzzwell AROS is like Amiga OS combined together with LinuxJun 09 00:09
cubezzzand menuetOS is an OS written in assembly languageJun 09 00:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Heading out to speak at Carneige Mellon University about community. :-)Jun 09 00:10
sebsebsebah right sounds like something fun to vmJun 09 00:10
sebsebseblinks?Jun 09 00:10
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MenuetOSJun 09 00:10
Atlas2070[19:02] <sebsebseb> a Fedora fan boy :DJun 09 00:10
Atlas2070guilty as chargedJun 09 00:10
TechrightsTitle: MenuetOS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 37.99 KBJun 09 00:10
cubezzzFedora is OKJun 09 00:10
sebsebsebAtlas2070: heh that was you admitting it? :)Jun 09 00:10
Atlas2070yesJun 09 00:11
Atlas2070nothing wrong with being a fedora fanboyJun 09 00:11
sebsebsebAtlas2070: cubezzz is currently running FC1Jun 09 00:11
Atlas2070yes I knowJun 09 00:11
cubezzzI'm the original Fedora guy :)Jun 09 00:11
Atlas2070hes crazyJun 09 00:11
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sebsebsebFedora uhmmJun 09 00:11
sebsebsebshame Fedora 11 woudn't install on hereJun 09 00:11
sebsebsebI wanted to replace Ubuntu 9.04 with itJun 09 00:11
Atlas2070cubezzz - my local library has FC3 w/ a book on itJun 09 00:11
Atlas2070sebsebseb - what about 12 or 13?Jun 09 00:11
cubezzzhttp://aros.sourceforge.net/download.phpJun 09 00:11
TechrightsTitle: AROS Research Operating System .::. Size~: 66.19 KBJun 09 00:11
sebsebsebAtlas2070: not tried those on hereJun 09 00:12
sebsebsebwent Mandriva instead soon after 9.10Jun 09 00:12
Atlas207013 is amazingJun 09 00:12
sebsebsebcame out as a fianlJun 09 00:12
cubezzzAtlas2070, whoa that is new stuff :)Jun 09 00:12
sebsebsebAtlas2070: maybe so if it will actsaully installJun 09 00:12
sebsebsebwithout saying  it didn't like my partitionsJun 09 00:12
sebsebseband that it was probably a bugJun 09 00:12
Atlas2070probably was a bugJun 09 00:12
sebsebsebI had no fancy partition set up, just 9.04 and VistaJun 09 00:12
Atlas2070i bet its fixed nowJun 09 00:12
sebsebsebAtlas2070: probably, but even soJun 09 00:12
sebsebsebnot goodJun 09 00:12
Atlas2070i have fedora dual boots with vista and win7 on some pc'sJun 09 00:13
sebsebsebAtlas2070: I am waiting for the next MandrivaJun 09 00:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] As gutwrenchingly awful as the #oilspill is, it's only a closer, more visible and rapid version of what is in progress globally.Jun 09 00:13
sebsebseb,butJun 09 00:13
cubezzzwould AROS run on a 486?Jun 09 00:13
sebsebsebAtlas2070: I may dump this distro soon afterJun 09 00:13
sebsebsebdon't know yetJun 09 00:13
Atlas2070mandriva is shit imoJun 09 00:13
sebsebsebAtlas2070: well I could disable pulse audio in the control centre :)Jun 09 00:13
sebsebsebthat was one of the main reasons I went to itJun 09 00:13
Atlas2070ohhhJun 09 00:13
cubezzzanything that does what you want is goodJun 09 00:13
sebsebsebAtlas2070: I had no sounds in virtual machines in 9.10Jun 09 00:13
Atlas2070pulse audio for me, Just Works (TM)Jun 09 00:13
sebsebseb,but also Mandriva, but then yeah disabled and :)Jun 09 00:14
Atlas2070you need pavucontrol for pulsa audioJun 09 00:14
sebsebsebpulseaudio has been alright on here in Ubuntu, excetp for 8.04Jun 09 00:14
cubezzzah, no 486 for AROS, a pityJun 09 00:14
sebsebsebwhen they introduced it, and I had to do killall pulseaudio a lot and the 9.10 issueJun 09 00:14
Atlas2070pavucontrol is the best for volume control on pulse audio systemsJun 09 00:14
sebsebsebAtlas2070: whats the btrfs suport like in Fedora?Jun 09 00:14
Atlas2070ubuntu has a broken oneJun 09 00:14
Atlas2070btrfs support is the best in FedoraJun 09 00:14
sebsebsebhow stable is it?Jun 09 00:15
Atlas2070latest kernelJun 09 00:15
Atlas2070ummJun 09 00:15
Atlas2070its fairly stableJun 09 00:15
Atlas2070they arent planning to change the format eitherJun 09 00:15
sebsebsebAtlas2070: what do you mean?Jun 09 00:15
sebsebsebnot planning on changing the format?Jun 09 00:15
sebsebsebalso btrfs isn't default in Fedora 13?Jun 09 00:15
Atlas2070if they changed the format and you had the old format, they wouldnt work togetherJun 09 00:16
Atlas2070but thats nothing to worry about anymoreJun 09 00:16
Atlas2070btrfs isnt default at allJun 09 00:16
sebsebsebyep so not properly stableJun 09 00:16
Atlas2070its going to be probably in f14Jun 09 00:16
sebsebsebwhen will it be default?Jun 09 00:16
sebsebsebUbuntu 10.10 might have as the defaultJun 09 00:16
Atlas2070however, f13 has btrfs snapshot support in the package managerJun 09 00:16
sebsebsebanyway F14 is November isn't it?Jun 09 00:16
Atlas2070you can go back to old updates that break bootup (more of an issue on rawhide)Jun 09 00:16
sebsebsebquite a bit after UbuntuJun 09 00:17
sebsebsebsince they releasing next one earlyJun 09 00:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] William Control: no good. Wants to be NIN with emotional range of bad emo. Well, there went another hour before DEATH.Jun 09 00:17
Atlas2070F14 is november-ishJun 09 00:17
sebsebsebAtlas2070: and Ubuntu 10.10 is  being released earlyJun 09 00:17
sebsebsebSunday 10th October instead of Thursday the 28thJun 09 00:17
sebsebsebso they are also braking their release on a Thursday thingJun 09 00:17
Atlas2070Ubuntu releases april and oct each yearJun 09 00:17
Atlas2070the .04 is april, and the .10 is octJun 09 00:17
sebsebsebyes  I knowJun 09 00:18
sebsebseb,butJun 09 00:18
Atlas207010. is the yearJun 09 00:18
sebsebsebthis year they are releasing earlyJun 09 00:18
sebsebsebI know all thatJun 09 00:18
Atlas2070bahJun 09 00:18
sebsebsebinstead of at the end of OctoberJun 09 00:18
sebsebsebit will be at the begining this year for 10.10Jun 09 00:18
Atlas2070its still octJun 09 00:18
Atlas2070its irrelevant when in oct its released, its still going to be shitJun 09 00:18
sebsebsebAtlas2070: hehJun 09 00:18
sebsebsebin a wayJun 09 00:18
cubezzzold computers are getting more expensive nowJun 09 00:19
sebsebsebcubezzz: ohJun 09 00:19
sebsebsebprobably since they got floppy disc drives and suchJun 09 00:19
sebsebsebwhere as new ones don't tend toJun 09 00:19
cubezzzyeah on ebay c64's go for $200+Jun 09 00:19
sebsebseboh  the uhmmJun 09 00:19
sebsebsebc64Jun 09 00:19
cubezzzamiga 4000 is always over $500Jun 09 00:20
sebsebsebwell geeks want aimgas and c64Jun 09 00:20
cubezzzI guess a lot less of them still workJun 09 00:20
sebsebsebAtlas2070: maybe PC Linux OS  in a bit on here as a host, or notJun 09 00:20
sebsebsebAtlas2070: not so sureJun 09 00:20
sebsebsebgot to vm try properlyJun 09 00:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera use freenode cloak as I do...?Jun 09 00:21
sebsebsebAtlas2070: anyway yeah Mandriva was gong to have there next version released on the 3rd this monthJun 09 00:21
sebsebseb,but then nopeJun 09 00:21
sebsebsebdelayedJun 09 00:21
sebsebsebuntill 14th or somethingJun 09 00:21
sebsebsebso here I am still with KDE 4.3 and Gnome 2.30Jun 09 00:21
sebsebsebsince I stayed with offical stuffJun 09 00:21
Atlas2070i havent found a distro better than fedora yetJun 09 00:21
sebsebsebuh that was meant to sayJun 09 00:21
sebsebsebGnome 2.28 aboveJun 09 00:21
Atlas2070featurewise nothing compares but opensuseJun 09 00:21
sebsebsebstill with that, where as Ubuntu has 2.30 and their rubbish changesJun 09 00:21
Atlas2070and fuck novellJun 09 00:21
Atlas2070Ubuntu is Linux for NoobsJun 09 00:22
sebsebsebAtlas2070: indeedJun 09 00:22
Atlas2070i need more powerJun 09 00:22
sebsebseband fan boys who don't know betterJun 09 00:22
Atlas2070but i dont want it retardedly complex either like ArchJun 09 00:22
sebsebsebAtlas2070: yeah same hereJun 09 00:22
sebsebsebI want something a bit better as wellJun 09 00:22
sebsebseb,but not really complexJun 09 00:22
Atlas2070I used to use GentooJun 09 00:22
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sebsebsebI haven't done Gentoo, well its like how to install, tried Sabayon from DVD and such thoughJun 09 00:23
Atlas2070tired of spending time reproducing the effort that fedora makes work out of the boxJun 09 00:23
sebsebsebindeedJun 09 00:23
sebsebsebasme for ArchJun 09 00:23
sebsebsebgot to set up basic things, that most other distros will do out of the boxJun 09 00:23
cubezzzoh yeah I need an IRC client for BLJun 09 00:23
sebsebsebwell  I did try Arch in a vm, someone helped me with basics, but then it woudn't bootJun 09 00:23
cubezzzforgot about thatJun 09 00:23
sebsebsebthat kernel didn't like vm's or somethingJun 09 00:23
Atlas2070I like archJun 09 00:23
sebsebsebcubezzz: BL ?Jun 09 00:23
sebsebsebAtlas2070: I have been recommended Arch, but I don't want to set up this and that and this and that, and not really know what to do, if it goes wrong on meJun 09 00:24
Atlas2070arch is missing a few things that make it unusuableJun 09 00:24
cubezzzBasic Linux :)Jun 09 00:24
sebsebsebAtlas2070: such as?Jun 09 00:24
Atlas2070I can't use _any_ distro which doesn't provide delta updatesJun 09 00:24
sebsebsebdelta updates, sound a little familur, but what you mean?Jun 09 00:24
Atlas2070yum-prestoJun 09 00:24
Atlas2070basiclyJun 09 00:24
cubezzzpkg blah.tgz :)Jun 09 00:24
Atlas2070when some software receives an update, normally your update contains the ENTIRE packageJun 09 00:25
Atlas2070a delta update contains only what files have changedJun 09 00:25
cubezzzAtlas2070, just recompile :)Jun 09 00:25
Atlas2070so a firefox update on fedora could be 1mb, and on ubuntu its 20mbJun 09 00:25
Atlas2070huge difference when you run on dialup, winmax or other slow internet speedsJun 09 00:25
cubezzzthat is trueJun 09 00:26
cubezzzhow slow is winmax?Jun 09 00:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz Looked into that claimed the ID spoke to empathy people something to do with announcing, soon as sorted back in irc channelJun 09 00:26
Atlas2070I can't get cable or dslJun 09 00:26
cubezzzyeah, I know :)Jun 09 00:26
Atlas2070im forced into wimaxJun 09 00:26
Atlas2070fuck dialupJun 09 00:26
sebsebsebyeah maybe i'll forgive FedoraJun 09 00:26
cubezzzbut how slow is winmax?Jun 09 00:26
sebsebsebforJun 09 00:26
sebsebsebnot letting me install Fedora 11 on hereJun 09 00:26
sebsebseband go back on my routesJun 09 00:26
Atlas2070cubezzz - anywhere from 20KB per second to 200Jun 09 00:26
sebsebsebsince I started with FC2 and 4Jun 09 00:26
sebsebsebmy first distrosJun 09 00:26
Atlas2070on my connectionJun 09 00:26
sebsebsebno  Internet since stupid wireless device thoughJun 09 00:27
sebsebseband yeah FC13 might get installed on hereJun 09 00:27
Atlas2070my first distro was redhat 5.2Jun 09 00:27
sebsebsebor i'll just stay with Mandriva for now, whilst waiting for stable btrsJun 09 00:27
sebsebsebI mean my actsaul computer useage, I can do on Jun 09 00:27
sebsebsebbasically any desktop Linux distroJun 09 00:27
Atlas2070mandriva has the deltas too but you need to turn them on, and it doesnt apply to any extra repos you addJun 09 00:27
Atlas2070opensuse had deltas firstJun 09 00:27
sebsebsebAtlas2070: what is this deltas thing?Jun 09 00:27
Atlas2070the smaller updates thingJun 09 00:28
sebsebsebsmaller updates thing?Jun 09 00:28
Atlas2070takes a good 80% out of the size of updatesJun 09 00:28
schestowitzdelta=changesJun 09 00:28
cubezzzyeah it's a good ideaJun 09 00:28
cubezzzmakes a lot of senseJun 09 00:28
Atlas2070a delta rpm only contains the changes, vs the whole packageJun 09 00:28
cubezzzbut Fedora needs a KDE 3.5 optionJun 09 00:29
sebsebsebschestowitz: Which distro you currently on?Jun 09 00:29
Atlas2070booooooJun 09 00:29
cubezzz;-)Jun 09 00:29
schestowitzNot nice to get 130MB of OpenOffice packages to fix one line of fatal flawJun 09 00:29
sebsebsebschestowitz: Mandriva I guessJun 09 00:29
Atlas2070cubezzz - why dont you maintain it?Jun 09 00:29
cubezzzI'm considering itJun 09 00:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera just ask the staff in #freenodeJun 09 00:30
sebsebsebcubezzz: yeah its sad that KDE 3 is nearly dead nowJun 09 00:30
sebsebsebor basically is dead nowJun 09 00:30
schestowitzMandriva employee some key KDE peopleJun 09 00:30
schestowitzsebsebseb: project UnityJun 09 00:30
cubezzzKDE 3.5 isn't deadJun 09 00:30
schestowitzNot heard from it since it was announced thoughJun 09 00:30
cubezzzthere's BSD and Vector still use itJun 09 00:30
schestowitzNot unityJun 09 00:30
schestowitzTrinityJun 09 00:30
sebsebsebschestowitz: project Unity?  you mean  Canonica's Unity ?Jun 09 00:31
sebsebsebCanoncialsJun 09 00:31
sebsebsebschestowitz: Trinity ?Jun 09 00:31
schestowitzI'm too tired. laters.Jun 09 00:31
sebsebseblink?Jun 09 00:31
cubezzzyou know I like Basic Linux better than tinycoreJun 09 00:31
sebsebsebschestowitz: gn I guessJun 09 00:31
cubezzz17 years and the power supply still worksJun 09 00:33
cubezzzIBM at least used good power suppliesJun 09 00:33
cubezzzI need a small keyboard though, my desk is totally covered Jun 09 00:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz I did claimed the id freenode person was surprised empathy was not ok and empathy said they were working on vpn compatJun 09 00:36
Atlas2070backtrack4 uses KDE 3.5.10Jun 09 00:36
Atlas2070it was really fast but I found it uselessJun 09 00:36
cubezzzwhy useless?Jun 09 00:36
Atlas2070all the softwares written for kde4 and qt4.6Jun 09 00:36
cubezzzwell I got the 3.4.2 source so...Jun 09 00:38
cubezzzuse the source luke :)Jun 09 00:38
cubezzzand 3.5.10 as wellJun 09 00:38
cubezzzit's just front end stuff anywayJun 09 00:39
cubezzzold hardware, old OS, no problemsJun 09 00:39
Atlas2070no the appsJun 09 00:43
Atlas2070amarok 2.3.1 doesnt work in kde 3.5.10 unless you also have kde4Jun 09 00:44
Atlas2070and qt4.xJun 09 00:44
Atlas2070just an exampleJun 09 00:44
cubezzzthat is stupidJun 09 00:44
cubezzzcan't you just use older amarok though?Jun 09 00:45
cubezzzor kaffeine? or a million other thingsJun 09 00:45
cubezzz...like run mplayer at the command line ;)Jun 09 00:45
cubezzzback in 1/2 hourJun 09 00:46
Atlas2070why do i want to run software last updated in 2008 ?Jun 09 00:48
Atlas2070why dont i run the older kernel while I'm at itJun 09 00:48
Atlas2070and the older XJun 09 00:49
Atlas2070lolJun 09 00:49
Atlas2070sometimes you go to farJun 09 00:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@5heila Know any good restaurants in Calgary? // @splorp, can you help my good #yyj friends find one? cc @eikonosJun 09 01:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Did anyone stop to wonder why #Gaza might have *needed* that cement? (h/t @gazaheart). (Another casualty of filtered reporting in #US?)Jun 09 01:57
cubezzzI thought KDE 3.5 was better than Gnome or KDE 4+Jun 09 02:00
Atlas2070booooJun 09 02:00
Atlas2070well better than gnomeJun 09 02:01
cubezzzglipper crashes in Fedora 10Jun 09 02:02
Atlas2070oh yeahJun 09 02:04
Atlas2070F10 is EOLJun 09 02:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@mirandacan Yes, I know why they need it. Just implying that the #gaza bombardments in recent years were under-reported & forgotten by now.Jun 09 02:04
cubezzznothign is EOL if I have source code :)Jun 09 02:04
cubezzzEnd of Line :)Jun 09 02:04
Atlas2070so you maintain old pulse audio codeJun 09 02:04
Atlas2070;)Jun 09 02:04
Atlas2070I'd rather have the latest kernelJun 09 02:05
Atlas20702.6.33.5-112.fc13.x86_64Jun 09 02:06
cubezzzwell the thing is when a new Fedora comes out, I bet they don't make sure it runs good on P3Jun 09 02:07
cubezzzand 486 isn't even on the radarJun 09 02:07
cubezzzso it could run very slowJun 09 02:07
Atlas2070nobody caresJun 09 02:07
Atlas2070to be honestJun 09 02:07
Atlas2070you can get a used p4 for $80Jun 09 02:07
cubezzzoh really? then why do we have tinycore and basic linux and DSL and...etc etc?Jun 09 02:07
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cubezzzobviously some people want itJun 09 02:08
Atlas2070I exaggerate 'nobody'Jun 09 02:08
Atlas2070but very fewJun 09 02:08
Atlas207020+ million people are running fedoraJun 09 02:08
cubezzzAtlas2070, I'll run new on new and old on oldJun 09 02:09
Atlas2070maybe 1000 are running tiny coreJun 09 02:09
cubezzzthen I'll have the best of bothJun 09 02:09
Atlas2070you're wasting electricity in the latterJun 09 02:09
Atlas2070unless you're running CLIJun 09 02:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oh crap, it's 3 am, time to go to bed. Good night to all ;-)Jun 09 02:10
cubezzzI beat I use less watts than you :)Jun 09 02:10
cubezzzI betJun 09 02:10
Atlas2070i have a voltage meterJun 09 02:10
cubezzzright, but a UPS could tell you exactly how many watts you're usingJun 09 02:11
Atlas2070multi core cpus are the best thing to come to pcs in the area of reducing electricityJun 09 02:11
cubezzzwhich CPU are you using?Jun 09 02:11
Atlas2070my desktop is a q6600Jun 09 02:11
Atlas2070clocked at 3.0ghzJun 09 02:12
Atlas2070this one is Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T7500  @ 2.20GHzJun 09 02:12
Atlas2070laptopJun 09 02:12
cubezzzok, right there I know you're using more watts than meJun 09 02:12
Atlas2070how do you figureJun 09 02:12
cubezzzolder computers, very old, use less wattsJun 09 02:13
Atlas2070wrongJun 09 02:13
cubezzzI know I'm well under 100 wattsJun 09 02:13
Atlas2070i bet you both your cpu and your ram are higher voltageJun 09 02:13
Atlas2070you have likely a 300watt power supply running at less than 80% efficiencyJun 09 02:13
Atlas2070its leaking power just being onJun 09 02:14
cubezzzI changed the original supply this yearJun 09 02:14
Atlas2070what cpu and ram do you have?Jun 09 02:14
cubezzzit's ATX 2.somethingJun 09 02:14
cubezzzdual p3 with 320 megs of ramJun 09 02:14
Atlas2070PENTIUM III XEON 550MHZ PROCESSOR 1MB L2 CACHE 100MHZ FSB SLOT-2 ?Jun 09 02:15
Atlas2070x2Jun 09 02:15
cubezzzumm, not XeonJun 09 02:15
cubezzzit's 100 mhz yesJun 09 02:15
Atlas2070what socketJun 09 02:16
cubezzzslot 1Jun 09 02:16
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Katmai_.280.25_.C2.B5m.29Jun 09 02:17
TechrightsTitle: Pentium III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 90.98 KBJun 09 02:17
Atlas2070your cpu uses 2 voltsJun 09 02:18
cubezzzyesJun 09 02:18
Atlas2070thats a lotJun 09 02:18
Atlas2070p3 coppermines used 1.65vJun 09 02:18
Atlas2070mines about 1.09vJun 09 02:18
Atlas2070so you have 4 volts for 2 cpusJun 09 02:19
Atlas2070i have 1.09v for 4 cores, 3.0ghz eachJun 09 02:19
Atlas2070what ram do you have?Jun 09 02:19
cubezzz320 megJun 09 02:20
Atlas2070typeJun 09 02:20
Atlas2070PC-100, PC-133, PC-66 ?Jun 09 02:21
cubezzz168 pin SDRAM PC-100Jun 09 02:21
Atlas2070your ram runs at 3.3vJun 09 02:22
cubezzzyour cpu: 105 WJun 09 02:22
Atlas2070mine runs at 1.8vJun 09 02:22
cubezzzI'm under 100 watts for my whole comupter, it's no contestJun 09 02:22
cubezzzI just looked it upJun 09 02:22
Atlas2070how do you figureJun 09 02:22
cubezzzCore 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield (65 nm) 2.4 GHz 105 W or 95 WJun 09 02:22
Atlas2070your ram and mem consume more voltageJun 09 02:22
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CPU_power_dissipationJun 09 02:23
Atlas2070that means nothingJun 09 02:23
TechrightsTitle: List of CPU power dissipation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 205.34 KBJun 09 02:23
cubezzzcheck for yourself thenJun 09 02:23
Atlas2070your computer is not less than 100 WJun 09 02:23
Atlas2070your smoking crackJun 09 02:23
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Atlas2070your cpu requires 4 times more energy than mineJun 09 02:24
Atlas2070things are getting denser requiring less electricityJun 09 02:25
cubezzzBack-UPS ES 725Jun 09 02:25
cubezzzBE725BBJun 09 02:25
cubezzz725 volt-amps, 450 wattsJun 09 02:25
cubezzztypical load: 21% = 94.5 wattsJun 09 02:25
cubezzzI rest my caseJun 09 02:25
cubezzzyou didn't even measure yoursJun 09 02:25
Atlas2070ughJun 09 02:26
Atlas2070ill probably have lessJun 09 02:27
Atlas2070if i take out my video cardJun 09 02:27
Atlas2070thats where all the energy is being used in pc's these daysJun 09 02:27
cubezzzyou would be right if your computer ran at the same speedJun 09 02:27
cubezzzbut obviously that's not the caseJun 09 02:28
Atlas2070mines only about 100 times fasterJun 09 02:28
cubezzzI'm sure it runs IRC quite wellJun 09 02:28
Atlas2070i could probably virtualize your entire system in ramJun 09 02:29
Atlas2070lolJun 09 02:29
cubezzzthe CRT was the real power hog, the rest is chump changeJun 09 02:29
Atlas2070you need to use thisJun 09 02:30
Atlas2070http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jspJun 09 02:30
TechrightsTitle: eXtreme Power Supply Calculator v2.5 .::. Size~: 17.52 KBJun 09 02:30
cubezzzI know the load on the UPSJun 09 02:31
cubezzzit's all plugged into thatJun 09 02:31
Atlas2070ohh lameJun 09 02:32
Atlas2070ur cpu isnt on the listJun 09 02:32
cubezzzthere's probably some efficiency measureJun 09 02:33
cubezzzsomething per wattJun 09 02:33
cubezzzI know p3 isn't the best for thatJun 09 02:34
Atlas2070each of your cpu's use 30 wattsJun 09 02:34
Atlas2070at full loadJun 09 02:34
cubezzzwhich they aren't at the momentJun 09 02:34
cubezzzjust apache and ircJun 09 02:34
Atlas2070my 100 is full loadJun 09 02:34
cubezzz21% average load for meJun 09 02:35
cubezzzover months/yearsJun 09 02:35
Atlas2070ok well average according to intel on yours is 21Jun 09 02:35
Atlas2070eachJun 09 02:35
cubezzz21% load on the UPSJun 09 02:35
Atlas207094 - 21 - 21Jun 09 02:36
Atlas2070= the rest of ur stuffJun 09 02:36
cubezzz1.59, 0.77, 0.51Jun 09 02:36
cubezzzthe system just isn't very busyJun 09 02:36
Atlas2070just being on its using 21 wattsJun 09 02:37
Atlas2070minimumJun 09 02:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@rayvelline problem is that truth is really so horrible that ppl will do anything to avoid having to approach it or look in its directionJun 09 02:37
Atlas2070actuallyJun 09 02:37
cubezzzhere's the thing I was talking about:Jun 09 02:37
cubezzzTDP to Clock Speed Ratio Efficiency (MHz/W)Jun 09 02:37
cubezzzMhz per wattJun 09 02:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@rayvelline and that applies to most issues (#environment, #realpolitik, etc)Jun 09 02:38
Atlas207030.8 W TDP for yoursJun 09 02:38
cubezzzit's middle of the road thereJun 09 02:38
cubezzzif I was serious about efficiency I would go ARMJun 09 02:38
Atlas2070tdp is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_design_powerJun 09 02:40
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cubezzzmaybe with SSD? don't knowJun 09 02:40
Atlas2070ohhhJun 09 02:40
cubezzzmy hard drive is at least 10 years oldJun 09 02:40
Atlas2070your CSRE is 72.36Jun 09 02:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@petersuderman @binarybits Apple's claim that the screen's maxed out human eye capacity // is utter tosh, ask anyone who's seen paperJun 09 02:41
Atlas2070my CSRE is 43.75 (105 W), 39.58 (95 W)Jun 09 02:41
Atlas2070ill just have to hook my pc up to the voltage monitor when I get homeJun 09 02:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@rayvelline that's what's so nasty. ppl have a motive to avoid awful truths (avoidance) and the perps SURE have a motive to keep it from uJun 09 02:42
Atlas2070I was actually going to measure linux vs windows with itJun 09 02:42
Atlas2070doesnt mean you're not wasting electricityJun 09 02:43
Atlas2070you could get a lot more out of 100 wattsJun 09 02:43
cubezzzright, you're more efficient but using more wattsJun 09 02:43
Atlas2070i doubt im using that much moreJun 09 02:44
Atlas2070my components won't use as much as yoursJun 09 02:44
cubezzzmy TOI is good :)Jun 09 02:44
Atlas2070my TOI is good tooJun 09 02:44
cubezzz12 years and still kickin'Jun 09 02:44
cubezzzthe zaurus bets everything on that list Jun 09 02:45
cubezzz5 wattsJun 09 02:45
Atlas2070yeah but its an oversizes calculatorJun 09 02:45
Atlas2070my ds probably beats ur zaurusJun 09 02:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@rayvelline combine those - and a whole lot of middlemen who profit from the misdirection, or help create it - to approach the status quoJun 09 02:46
cubezzzit's probably better in some waysJun 09 02:47
Atlas2070my ds?Jun 09 02:48
cubezzzbut I've ported a ton of stuff to the zaurusJun 09 02:48
Atlas2070yeahJun 09 02:48
cubezzzI can use it as a ereaderJun 09 02:48
cubezzzI can play chessJun 09 02:48
Atlas2070my gp2x has a dual core 200mhz armJun 09 02:48
cubezzzyours is way better for gamesJun 09 02:49
Atlas2070and videoJun 09 02:49
Atlas2070and musicJun 09 02:49
cubezzzdoes eXtreme Power Supply Calculator v2.5 need windows to run?Jun 09 02:51
Atlas2070noJun 09 02:51
Atlas2070it doesnt have ur old cpu eitherJun 09 02:51
Atlas2070the oldest they have is p4Jun 09 02:51
cubezzzhow about I just do this:Jun 09 02:51
cubezzzhttp://maxhost.org/cgi-bin/sensors.cgiJun 09 02:51
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cubezzzpity about the -5V Jun 09 02:52
cubezzzbut you would just say "who cares about ISA" :)Jun 09 02:52
Atlas2070at the same time you should find out how many volts you're usingJun 09 02:52
cubezzzI'm billed in kilowatts per hourJun 09 02:52
cubezzznot voltsJun 09 02:53
cubezzzW = VAJun 09 02:54
Atlas2070btw, besides your cpu you have 52 watts being used by somethingJun 09 02:56
cubezzzyesJun 09 02:56
cubezzzthe hard drive and monitorJun 09 02:56
Atlas2070my monitor uses like 1 wattJun 09 02:57
Atlas2070LCDJun 09 02:57
Atlas2070maybe 2 wattsJun 09 02:57
Atlas2070my hard drive is sata so it also uses less powerJun 09 02:57
cubezzzummm, typically an LCD uses 35 wattsJun 09 02:58
cubezzzI worked this out beforeJun 09 02:58
cubezzzI don't see how yours could be 30 times more efficientJun 09 02:58
cubezzz19 inch LCD requires around 45 wattsJun 09 03:01
cubezzzmine is 17 inchJun 09 03:02
cubezzzI'm sure HDTV's are over 100 wattsJun 09 03:02
Atlas2070my desktop should use 227 WJun 09 03:02
Atlas2070w/o video cardJun 09 03:03
Atlas2070351 W with 9800GTX+Jun 09 03:03
Atlas2070monitor is actually 42 wattsJun 09 03:04
cubezzzif you have a UPS you should be able to see the loadJun 09 03:04
cubezzzOK, that's more like itJun 09 03:04
Atlas2070ok im convinced, you are using less powerJun 09 03:05
cubezzz;-)Jun 09 03:05
Atlas2070but you're also getting 50x lessJun 09 03:05
Atlas2070im getting more for my moneyJun 09 03:05
cubezzzI don't really think it's a big differenceJun 09 03:05
Atlas2070I could build something cheaper and more efficient and faster than yours thoughJun 09 03:05
cubezzzthis box does what I need it to doJun 09 03:05
Atlas2070mine is just beefyJun 09 03:06
cubezzzI'm sure you couldJun 09 03:06
Atlas2070probably a core 2 duoJun 09 03:06
Atlas2070my laptop probablyJun 09 03:06
cubezzzI don't think P4's were that much better power useJun 09 03:07
cubezzzI'm pretty sure they were more power hungryJun 09 03:07
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cubezzzso assuming I have something that is at least as powerful as what I have, and can use less power I would consider switchingJun 09 03:08
cubezzzbut I bet the power savings would be minimalJun 09 03:08
cubezzzany savings would be eaten by the speed increaseJun 09 03:09
Atlas2070pretty muchJun 09 03:09
Atlas2070you could probably do the same thing your doing now on something running at 5 wattsJun 09 03:10
cubezzzthe server doesn't need more speedJun 09 03:10
Atlas2070people are running servers on atomsJun 09 03:11
cubezzzno, I can't because I need the LCDJun 09 03:11
Atlas2070i mean for the computerJun 09 03:11
Atlas20705 wattsJun 09 03:11
cubezzzthe zaurus only uses 5 watts but the screen's only 3 inchJun 09 03:11
cubezzzok, possibleJun 09 03:11
DaemonFCand I'm streamingJun 09 03:11
DaemonFCyeehawJun 09 03:11
Atlas2070i think an atom could outperform what you haveJun 09 03:12
DaemonFCMinefield is being a bad monkeyJun 09 03:12
Atlas2070your pc would also be the size of a routerJun 09 03:12
Atlas2070nice? :)Jun 09 03:12
DaemonFChttp://www.ustream.tv/channel/ryanfJun 09 03:12
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DaemonFC:DJun 09 03:12
cubezzzbut.... no expansion slots thenJun 09 03:12
Atlas2070what do you need to add?Jun 09 03:12
Atlas2070everything comes onboard these daysJun 09 03:13
DaemonFCand onboard stuff is crapJun 09 03:13
cubezzzyeah, not could for repair purposes Atlas2070Jun 09 03:13
DaemonFCcrap crap crapJun 09 03:13
Atlas2070onboard is better, less latency to the busJun 09 03:13
DaemonFCcrapJun 09 03:13
cubezzzI'd rather have the cardsJun 09 03:13
Atlas2070the only onboard thing i wont take is a video cardJun 09 03:13
cubezzzI did say I'm happy with the speed yes? :)Jun 09 03:13
Atlas2070other than intelJun 09 03:13
DaemonFC$22.50Jun 09 03:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@Jnoubiyeh Tony Blair is a monster the British unleashed on the planet. http://bit.ly/aly2jA (Via @Avinunu) // Put that bastard on trial!!Jun 09 03:14
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DaemonFC$2.68 per gallonJun 09 03:14
cubezzzok, so ARM with coreboot, with super efficiency, with KDE 3.5 = perfect computer :)Jun 09 03:14
DaemonFCI got into the habit of shaking out the hose when I'm done from back when it was over $3Jun 09 03:14
cubezzzand the UPS will last longer tooJun 09 03:14
bruce89as a sort of Brit, I'm sorry for Tony BlairJun 09 03:14
cubezzzthat is definitely a plusJun 09 03:15
DaemonFCTony BlairJun 09 03:15
DaemonFCWhat is it girl?Jun 09 03:15
DaemonFCHussein is threatening the oil supply!Jun 09 03:15
DaemonFCCome on, let's go!Jun 09 03:15
bruce89suffice to say I think he's an arseJun 09 03:15
bruce89smarmy gitJun 09 03:16
cubezzzwell history will not be kind to Bush/BlairJun 09 03:16
cubezzzjust a guessJun 09 03:16
cubezzznow the EU countries are asking Martin for advice :)Jun 09 03:17
bruce89or the heir to Blair PM we haveJun 09 03:18
cubezzz"The most important reason for me buying an LCD monitor and tv was the health benefits. The electromagnetic fields emitted from CRT Monitors and regular TVs has been shown to be pretty bad for your health. LCD Monitors emit a thousand times less electromagnetic radiation than CRTs."Jun 09 03:21
cubezzzwe should have electric cars tooJun 09 03:23
cubezzzlike decades agoJun 09 03:23
cubezzzbut somehow it didn't happenJun 09 03:23
cubezzzlikely I can walk to work :)Jun 09 03:25
cubezzzluckyJun 09 03:25
cubezzzluckilyJun 09 03:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@shoq Oh, rubbish. If a nuke can't solve it, it's not worth solving!Jun 09 03:26
Atlas2070theres also something called a bicycleJun 09 03:29
Atlas2070uses no electricityJun 09 03:29
Atlas2070might as well get used to it tooJun 09 03:29
Atlas2070cars will be taken off the road in the futureJun 09 03:29
cubezzzI used to ride a bike all the timeJun 09 03:29
cubezzzmaybeJun 09 03:29
cubezzzthat would be a major changeJun 09 03:31
Atlas2070its in agenda 21Jun 09 03:32
cubezzzToronto would be a million times better if that happened thoughJun 09 03:32
Atlas2070it'll be possible when everyone lives in the cityJun 09 03:32
Atlas2070it'll never get passed as long as people live outside the cityJun 09 03:32
Atlas2070but laws and building codes will get them to moveJun 09 03:33
Atlas2070there will be government vehicles thoughJun 09 03:33
cubezzzwhat about taxis?Jun 09 03:34
Atlas2070perhapsJun 09 03:35
Atlas2070i just know there wont be personal vehiclesJun 09 03:35
bruce89yachts?Jun 09 03:35
Atlas2070yachts? never thought about thatJun 09 03:35
Atlas2070interesting, international watersJun 09 03:35
Atlas2070thats where I need to goJun 09 03:36
Atlas2070bamJun 09 03:36
Atlas2070no taxesJun 09 03:36
Atlas2070no governmentJun 09 03:36
cubezzzno internet :)Jun 09 03:36
Atlas2070and I could legally kill peopleJun 09 03:36
Atlas2070LOLJun 09 03:36
Atlas2070i could get internetJun 09 03:36
Atlas2070no laws preventing me from stealing it from somewhereJun 09 03:36
bruce89tell the Somalians thatJun 09 03:36
Atlas2070sealand has internetJun 09 03:36
Atlas2070Somalians, lolJun 09 03:37
Atlas2070its called a sniper rifleJun 09 03:37
Atlas2070and not worrying about the geneva conventionJun 09 03:37
Atlas2070they have to go outside to steer the shipJun 09 03:40
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Atlas2070theres also a simpler solutionJun 09 03:44
Atlas2070staying away from somaliaJun 09 03:44
Atlas2070they arent everywhere in international watersJun 09 03:44
Atlas2070they border somaliaJun 09 03:44
Atlas2070and the waters nearbyJun 09 03:44
Atlas2070http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/BeagleBoardxM/Jun 09 03:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Impressive. My #ATI #Radeon's new fan stopped turning, sat there getting hot for an hour or so. Got VERY hot. But survived, apparently.Jun 09 03:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] In less happy news, I see that #Apple consistently puts insufficient strain relief on its power adapters. They fail at both ends of cable.Jun 09 03:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Oh, and, such failure may be accompanied by smoke, sparks, and shorted wires. Serious oversight, #Apple.Jun 09 03:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Idea: Cooling fans really do need an audible warning when they mechanically fail. A 50c fan shouldn't fry a $500 card.Jun 09 04:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] ...or a usable digital warning via motherboard sensor.Jun 09 04:04
Atlas2070[qu1j0t3] Impressive. My #ATI #Radeon's new fan stopped turning, sat there getting hot for an hour or so. Got VERY hot. But survived, apparently.Jun 09 04:11
Atlas2070qualityJun 09 04:11
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cubezzzfanless does have some advantagesJun 09 04:44
cubezzzpassive cooling = no mechanical failuresJun 09 04:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@crikey_news Courtney v Carey: literati smackdown: http://bit.ly/bDxD9p // when did ad-man Courtenay get promoted to #literature???Jun 09 04:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@RiahLahren giving up #soda may be tough. Sugar and fat form a powerful addictive system. But we gotta do it anyway. #diet #healthJun 09 05:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @pmoharper Hiring unlicensed security w/US parent company for $1b #G8 & #G20 http://bit.ly/cjvonP #cdnpoli // This is big. #HarperMustGoJun 09 05:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@riahlahren Already #Soda free here. After a while you won't miss it. It is a totally useless product with only negative effects. #dietJun 09 05:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] "#givemepath @myfriends_twitterid " -> with geolocation this will be sufficient to find path from you to your friend. #idea #geolocationJun 09 05:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@RiahLahren we saw a nutritionist, @meghantelpner, actually. Check out her amazing blog and site for #diet and #health suggestions.Jun 09 05:49
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbw6Nxf8dYUJun 09 05:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @Satyagrahi_ji RT @freegazaorg: Terrifying story from K Neish on board the Marmara http://bit.ly/c9iLSs #canada #cdnpoli #gaza @pmharperJun 09 06:01
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schestowitz'yeah generally the goal with gpl violation is not to "punish evil doers" but to coerce them to participate in free software- thus diplomacy, not bad press is always the first logical tactic' http://280.status.net/notice/133200Jun 09 06:18
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schestowitzGoogle bugs: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/06/application-visibility-issues.htmlJun 09 06:59
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schestowitzShock effect articles: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704025304575284981644790098.htmlJun 09 07:02
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Atlas2070lol i fell for that oneJun 09 07:11
MinceRj0Jun 09 07:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way to work...this is dire... On a happier note, phone is great.Jun 09 07:22
schestowitzhttp://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2010/06/05/719-how-i-came-to-be-without-a-cell-phoneJun 09 07:25
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schestowitzIt's sad when people become phones with a person 'around' themJun 09 07:25
Atlas2070http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_64&item_id=030520&sid=laml6hrruufmp0qjvj2acmk4r6Jun 09 07:27
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schestowitz"Digg founder Kevin Rose has made several announcements of retooling Digg, but nothing has materialized. In fact, the announcements might have been the worst thing Digg founder Kevin Rose could have done." http://www.websitemagazine.com/content/blogs/posts/archive/2010/06/01/digg-is-deadd.aspxJun 09 07:33
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schestowitzI'm not sure this is trueJun 09 07:33
schestowitzSutor is posting lots of Apple junk. http://www.infoworld.com/d/developer-world/how-get-rejected-the-app-store-854?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_2010-06-03Jun 09 07:35
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schestowitzhttp://www.sutor.com/c/2010/06/a-month-with-an-ipad/Jun 09 07:35
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schestowitzYeah, what a role model as Linux VP for IBMJun 09 07:36
schestowitzhttp://www.inc.com/magazine/20100601/why-i-sold-zappos.htmlJun 09 07:37
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schestowitzSold outJun 09 07:37
schestowitzTo amazonJun 09 07:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] IBM's 'Linux' VP is setting a bad example by promoting hypePad http://bit.ly/90gt0z #freedom #drm #hypocrisyJun 09 07:38
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schestowitzhttp://log.or.cz/?p=99Jun 09 08:56
schestowitzhttp://log.or.cz/?p=103Jun 09 08:56
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schestowitz"So, just after I wrote about biking in Prague, my bike got stolen… :-("Jun 09 08:56
schestowitzopenSUSE at FLISoL Chile - "As you already know, the Festival Latinoamericano de Instalacion de Software Libre event will be held this Saturday here in Chile. "Jun 09 08:57
schestowitz"I would like to thank Andreas and everyone at Novell who has been supporting the Ambassadors Program, shipping DVDs, Geekos, T-shirts that the audience really appreciates and do make a difference."Jun 09 08:57
schestowitzhttp://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/05/28/opensuse-at-flisol-chile/Jun 09 08:57
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schestowitzWhy not debian?Jun 09 08:57
schestowitzRude headlines from Phoronix recently, e.g.: Jun 09 09:02
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMyMgJun 09 09:02
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schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMxNwJun 09 09:02
TechrightsTitle: [Phoronix] Even With MeeGo, Poulsbo & Moorestown Are Crap .::. Size~: 19.1 KBJun 09 09:02
schestowitz"Crap" and "Rubbish" in the headline doesn't helpJun 09 09:03
schestowitzIt didn't use to be like thisJun 09 09:03
cubezzzunix 6th edition -> 9,000 lines of codeJun 09 09:03
cubezzzsmaller than I thoughtJun 09 09:03
cubezzzno one seems to have an archive of unix 6th editionJun 09 09:08
cubezzzit's all pdfJun 09 09:08
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cubezzzand the code is for pdp-11Jun 09 09:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: WebM has landed on Firefox 4 nightlies - http://bit.ly/aUbIN7 form an orderly queue #webm #firefox #videoJun 09 09:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @joaop: More of this please. NOT! RT @BreakingNews Malaysian princes reach s/ment over who has the right to use Bentley owned by their dadJun 09 09:27
MinceRschestowitz: that's IDG for youJun 09 09:44
schestowitzNoJun 09 09:44
schestowitzI doubt he does it just for hitsJun 09 09:44
schestowitzBut...Jun 09 09:44
schestowitzDid you see what I quoted from Linux Outlaw poccastJun 09 09:44
schestowitzThey accuse him of link baitingJun 09 09:45
MinceRwhat's that?Jun 09 09:45
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schestowitzjust provokingJun 09 09:50
schestowitz"Linux is doomed!! DOOMED!!'Jun 09 09:51
schestowitzre Sutor: "thanks for sharing the link to the interesting article. It is indeed a bad example if the VP promotes the pad...." http://identi.ca/conversation/35281917#notice-35476940Jun 09 09:51
TechrightsTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.31 KBJun 09 09:51
cubezzz"Link bait is any content or feature, within a website, which somehow baits viewers to place links to it from other websites."Jun 09 09:51
cubezzz"Evil hooks - Saying something unpopular or mean may also yield a lot of attention"Jun 09 09:53
MinceRwell, that's doing it for the hitsJun 09 09:54
cubezzzhrmm, I really need a keyboard switchJun 09 09:58
cubezzzah, this old clunker keyboard might workJun 09 10:01
cubezzzgood grief, g doesn't workJun 09 10:04
cubezzzalt-67 then :)Jun 09 10:04
cubezzzfunny the things you can rememberJun 09 10:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Ubuntu UK Community & Canonical running "Ubuntu In Business" on 13/7 in London,UK! http://bit.ly/UbuntuBusinessJun 09 10:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @DavieLegend: So apparently Paris Hilton tweets "I Love Life" and gets over 100 retweets. I Love Jam. (That better get more than 100).Jun 09 10:21
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tfkiUtB3_0&feature=PlayList&p=173D4DC90DBA21BB&playnext_from=PL&playnext=5Jun 09 10:38
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cubezzzwell you can definitely run linux in 16 megs of ramJun 09 10:49
cubezzzprobably even less is possibleJun 09 10:49
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cubezzzah, I seeJun 09 10:53
cubezzz2.2.26 was the last revision of the 2.2 kernelJun 09 10:53
cubezzzoh well, sleep timeJun 09 10:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Listening to a preview of S03E09 of @uupc featuring awesome interviews with @castrojo @segphault and @jeremyfoshee :)Jun 09 11:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @ruiseabra ♺ @lxoliva: Brazilian court refuses to uphold foreign copyrights (MS, AutoDesk) for lack of reciprocity in US law ur1.ca/069saJun 09 12:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @linuxtracker Syllable Server 0.4 i486 uploaded : http://is.gd/cICUpJun 09 12:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: In Re #Bilski , Amazon, #WebM , and Biotech Patents http://ur1.ca/06ec6 #vp8 #google #swpatsJun 09 12:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I am surrounded by people who don't have a clue of what they should be doing.....how weary my request is quite simple.Jun 09 12:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin at work or in general?Jun 09 13:11
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ZiodotmatrixThe Palm braindrain continues as lead developers jump ship back to Apple or even Twitter: http://www.precentral.net/father-webos-notifications-leaves-appleJun 09 13:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple ’s trap of hype and lock-in concealment is biting in the rear those who try to escape http://ur1.ca/06et3Jun 09 13:25
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schestowitzZiodotmatrix: they want it for printersJun 09 13:26
schestowitzI posted some news about it hours agoJun 09 13:26
ZiodotmatrixI seem to be missing all the action by not being registered to Twitter.Jun 09 13:26
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-ePrint-and-Photosmart-eallinone-printers/Jun 09 13:26
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schestowitzZiodotmatrix: join identicaJun 09 13:26
schestowitzTell me the account so that it's aggregated here tooJun 09 13:26
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: But the CEO also fessed up in an interview that he meant to say they're using WebOS not JUST for smartphones. Why else would he go on about mobile internet connected devices?Jun 09 13:27
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: it's still a major messup in public speaking that has cost HP much not to mention being horribley impersonal: http://www.precentral.net/emails-hp-ceo-are-strangely-familiarJun 09 13:31
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Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: I don't have an identica account. So you're saying if I do it will be integrated with this channel, the Techrights website along with Twitter?Jun 09 13:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] FSF looking to hijack the Ubuntu community? http://bit.ly/a2HCCgJun 09 13:37
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: where are the articles about Palm you posted? I can't seem to find them on Techrights.Jun 09 13:38
Ziodotmatrixso which news is most troubling to you?Jun 09 13:43
schestowitzZiodotmatrix: yeah, it was weird that he said itJun 09 13:43
schestowitzPeople based headlines on Hurd's statementJun 09 13:43
schestowitzZiodotmatrix: yes, identica is set up this way nowJun 09 13:43
schestowitzIt goes into the site and this channel regardless of whether you're logged on or not. It's a nice mashupJun 09 13:44
schestowitz[13:38] <Ziodotmatrix> schestowitz: where are the articles about Palm you posted? I can't seem to find them on Techrights.Jun 09 13:44
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=site:techrights.org+palm&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=Jun 09 13:44
TechrightsTitle: site:techrights.org palm - Google Search .::. Size~: 34.56 KBJun 09 13:44
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: well ever since Jobs got back into Apple pundits look to the CEO as the be all end of their businesses direction, trying to deliberately interpret every whim when all the while they honestly work on balance sheets and dealmaking more.Jun 09 13:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2009/08/21/apple-offense/Jun 09 13:45
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/05/12/vista-7-in-the-hp-trash-can/Jun 09 13:45
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/04/14/msft-harassing-competition-swpat/Jun 09 13:45
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/04/26/webos-lesson-from-openmoko/Jun 09 13:45
schestowitzThese are those with "Palm" in the headline anywayJun 09 13:45
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TechrightsTitle: New Indications That HP is Dumping Windows for Linux (for Mobile Form Factors) | Techrights .::. Size~: 116.46 KBJun 09 13:46
TechrightsTitle: Patents Roundup: IBM, TurboHercules, Microsoft, New Zealand, Palm, and CompTIA | Techrights .::. Size~: 129.15 KBJun 09 13:46
TechrightsTitle: Modest Proposal to Palm: Set WebOS Free, Encourage Homebrew | Techrights .::. Size~: 108.4 KBJun 09 13:46
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: thanks but I meant the reshuffling of lead designers back to Apple from once they formily came and became disgruntled.Jun 09 13:46
schestowitzThere are references in there too. "About 43,900 results" http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=schestowitz+palm&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Jun 09 13:46
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schestowitzZiodotmatrix: they are anti-liberal at AppleJun 09 13:46
schestowitzIt's gonna cost themJun 09 13:46
schestowitzDumping hypePhone is fashionable nowJun 09 13:46
schestowitzIt's like dumping Facebook, making a statement for civil rightsJun 09 13:47
Ziodotmatrixthanks do you see the mobile OS landscape becoming like the PC with only monolithic backed platforms surviving?Jun 09 13:47
schestowitzAndroid provides the cushion for hypePhone defectorsJun 09 13:47
Ziodotmatrixproblem is Google is about as liberal on civil rights as FacebookJun 09 13:48
Ziodotmatrixit's not only confined to Germany: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Connecticut-Mulls-Probe-Of-Google-WiFi-Data-Collection-108775Jun 09 13:49
TechrightsTitle: Connecticut Mulls Probe Of Google Wi-Fi Data Collection - CT AG: 'Potentially impermissible and pernicious.' - dslreports.com .::. Size~: 118.54 KBJun 09 13:49
Ziodotmatrixuser data is becoming the new cash crop for all companies that dabble with internet services to harvest.Jun 09 13:50
Ziodotmatrixthey feel it's their god given right to for using their productJun 09 13:50
Ziodotmatrixat least my Pre asks permission every time a software wants to use my location and such. I could even turn Google services off and clear cookies on it. Can that be done with Android?Jun 09 13:52
MinceRand yet your Pre logs what apps you used and where you were, and sends the data to Palm/HP. (afaik)Jun 09 13:56
MinceRand even Ovi Maps gathers info on its usage...Jun 09 13:56
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: there is no Ovi Maps for the Pre and the logs are for application backup in case the device is lost or stolen, it's voluntary to sign up for.Jun 09 13:58
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: but you have a point that all software companies datamine to some degree now.Jun 09 13:58
MinceRthere's Ovi Maps for my N97, thoughJun 09 13:59
schestowitzZiodotmatrix: true about Google being just a deceptionJun 09 13:59
MinceRand my issue is that it seems impossible to get navigation on a mobile phone without being monitoredJun 09 13:59
schestowitzGoogle to rights is like Obama to peaceJun 09 13:59
schestowitzDamn. th Windows. YoJun 09 13:59
schestowitzload average: 11.55, 4.58, 3.25Jun 09 13:59
MinceRit's probably easier on standalone SatNav devices, as they don't have a constant uplingJun 09 13:59
MinceRs/g$/k/Jun 09 13:59
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: not if it has any SIM and uses aGPS for traffic updates.Jun 09 14:00
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: what about in car DVD navigation?Jun 09 14:00
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: lol, nice one. Or Obama to personal welfare in the face of catistrophic corporate incompitence and corruption.Jun 09 14:02
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: they're still complaining about the oil well not being plugged while the federal government does squat in speading up coastal and oceanic cleanup efforts. But that's going OT.Jun 09 14:03
MinceRDVD?Jun 09 14:03
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: many car built in satnav systems read maps from a DVDJun 09 14:03
MinceRi was thinking about using TMC for traffic updatesJun 09 14:04
MinceRnot sure how the maps are updatedJun 09 14:04
MinceRZiodotmatrix: i didn't know that, but that sounds like a thing of the past to me :)Jun 09 14:04
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: : you mean Turner Classic Movies or Traditional Chinese Medicine? :-PJun 09 14:04
MinceRTraffic Message ChannelJun 09 14:05
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: you mean those traffic and weather update stations you get on amarsh04 ?Jun 09 14:05
ZiodotmatrixAM ?Jun 09 14:05
MinceRnopeJun 09 14:05
MinceRtraffic info encoded digitally into radio signalsJun 09 14:06
ZiodotmatrixMinceR: ahhh, many commercial station use the same thing to show song and artists playing.Jun 09 14:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A famous victim of Microsoft’s abusive behaviour explains why #Microsoft is in a bad position http://ur1.ca/06et3 #beosJun 09 14:07
TechrightsTitle: Prisoners of Apple Hype | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.9 KBJun 09 14:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A famous victim of Microsoft’s abusive behaviour explains why #Microsoft is in a bad position http://ur1.ca/06f2v #beosJun 09 14:09
TechrightsTitle: Jean-Louis Gassée Lives to See Microsoft Declining | Techrights .::. Size~: 86.7 KBJun 09 14:09
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iDPnwkU9DAJun 09 14:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @DaHammerstein EU will meet on Tue to decide probable opposition to Treaty for BlindJun 09 14:25
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: interesting link, the interesting part is that conservatives through Reagan and up to GWB peddled decentralization and increased home rule as their political platform.Jun 09 14:33
schestowitzDidn't Dems too?Jun 09 14:33
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: maybe back when there was still a strong Southern Democrat presence, but now it's basically Republics rhetorically carrying the torch. Democrats these days gather around the whole FDR dogma of more governmental participation in public and commercial planning along with increased grants and equality.Jun 09 14:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Net terug van de stembus @piratenpartijJun 09 14:36
schestowitzZiodotmatrix: when I come to think of it, should I post this in techrights alongside another issue?Jun 09 14:36
schestowitzYour call..Jun 09 14:36
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz_Jun 09 14:37
Ziodotmatrixschestowitz: sure, maybe as food for thought. Even though certain folks would interpret what he says along the same lines as Ayn Rand who many say became the model for the take no prisoner all for profit and no moral corporate culture of today.Jun 09 14:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Francis Maude: "departmental websites should be hubs for debate...whenever possible using open source sw" http://bit.ly/bwTrldJun 09 14:40
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schestowitzZiodotmatrix: ok, give me a few minutes to make a postJun 09 14:40
schestowitzI want to help people understand that Microsoft harms -- not helps -- the USJun 09 14:40
schestowitzI know what topic fits hereJun 09 14:41
schestowitzAs unemployment upsets peopleJun 09 14:41
Diablo-D3Microsoft doesnt harm the USJun 09 14:42
Diablo-D3it harms Americans.Jun 09 14:42
schestowitzMexicans too?Jun 09 14:45
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schestowitzAnd Guatamala?Jun 09 14:45
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schestowitzWell, I guess it doesJun 09 14:45
Ziomatrixschestowitz: is there a single country their products aren't in?Jun 09 14:46
Diablo-D3schestowitz: it doesJun 09 14:46
Diablo-D3but Im limiting the description to the problem areaJun 09 14:46
schestowitzI knowJun 09 14:46
schestowitzI do a post on Abramoff-GatesJun 09 14:46
schestowitzTo tackle just one aspectJun 09 14:47
Ziomatrixschestowitz: maybe Transnistria, even though they're not recognized by the UNJun 09 14:50
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The composer of Giant Robo's music at work http://ur1.ca/06fg6 !miotdJun 09 14:53
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- From 2e.Suite Symphonique'GR' .::. Size~: 81.21 KBJun 09 14:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s and Bill Gates’ Role in US Unemployment http://techrights.org/2010/06/09/abramoff-gates-affairs-revisited/Jun 09 15:09
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schestowitzGoogle has just grown another tentacle. http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/04/googles-itunes-competitor-will-likely-be-called-google-music/Jun 09 15:12
TechrightsTitle:   Googles iTunes Competitor Will Likely Be Called Google Music  .::. Size~: 83.23 KBJun 09 15:12
Ziomatrixschestowitz: there is already something like that, its called the Amazon Music StoreJun 09 15:16
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schestowitzI don't like AmazonJun 09 15:18
schestowitzI find them to be dangerous and they are run by prominent Microsoft/Seattle execsJun 09 15:18
schestowitzEven the Kindle teamJun 09 15:18
Ziomatrixschestowitz: combine that with the killed by Record Companies Seeqpod and ones still out suchas Grooveshark, there is already ways to download as well as listen to streamed music on demand legally.Jun 09 15:18
schestowitzI don't like streamingJun 09 15:19
Ziomatrixschestowitz: regardless of their position, they still have Google beat in online books as well as musicJun 09 15:19
schestowitzSpying (remote logs), bandwidth hog, expiration, etc.Jun 09 15:19
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I'm not a huge fan either, unless its an online stream of a radio station or somethingJun 09 15:19
schestowitzZiomatrix: google is not in the same marketJun 09 15:19
schestowitzGoogle scans booksJun 09 15:19
schestowitzAmazon sells new books mostlyJun 09 15:19
schestowitzGoogle=serviceJun 09 15:20
schestowitzAmazon=shopJun 09 15:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Mexico angry over killing of its citizen by US. US unperturbed at killing of its citizen by #Israel.Jun 09 15:20
schestowitzYouTube=serviceJun 09 15:20
schestowitzYouTube download service (now defunct, with DRM)=shopJun 09 15:20
Ziomatrixschestowitz: Google Music = service that is an online shop for music. I don't see how having a glorified AJAX/HTML5 interface makes it that much different.Jun 09 15:20
schestowitzAMazon won't do too wellJun 09 15:20
schestowitzPeople my generation don't read booksJun 09 15:20
schestowitz*ofJun 09 15:21
Ziomatrixschestowitz: one should, there are still plenty of great works out there in the typed and printed realmJun 09 15:21
schestowitzBut it needs to be made accessibleJun 09 15:24
schestowitzUsually that means digitised and share-ableJun 09 15:24
schestowitzI don't want to read somehting I can't pass to a friend (even fragments)Jun 09 15:24
schestowitzCopyright prevents copyingJun 09 15:24
schestowitzNo digital version prevents excerptingJun 09 15:24
Ziomatrixschestowitz: libraries in the US at least can photocopy any page/s from any work and fax it to you.Jun 09 15:24
schestowitzI don't have a fax machineJun 09 15:25
Ziomatrixschestowitz: if services such as that were updated at Public Libraries it would outmode Amazon, Google books and ect.Jun 09 15:25
schestowitzIn fact, I only have a scannerJun 09 15:25
schestowitzPrinters have no purposeJun 09 15:25
schestowitzIt goes the wrong direction (digital->physical)Jun 09 15:25
Ziomatrixschestowitz: imagine if your local library can scan and email works to you.Jun 09 15:25
schestowitzIt's sillyJun 09 15:26
schestowitzExpensiveJun 09 15:26
schestowitzManual labourJun 09 15:26
schestowitzThey should scan all merhanically, then make a serviceJun 09 15:26
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I still find there are positive attributes to having old fashioned written text or being able to write down notes.Jun 09 15:26
schestowitzSo that I can do a self-service thingJun 09 15:26
schestowitzThat's what Google Books doesJun 09 15:26
schestowitzZiomatrix: I guess you and I are different ageJun 09 15:26
Ziomatrixschestowitz: but where's the interaction when it comes to folks who will help you find the right piece of work for you?Jun 09 15:26
schestowitzIt's a matter of habitJun 09 15:26
schestowitzI stopped using paper and pen when I finished universityJun 09 15:27
schestowitzundergrad I meanJun 09 15:27
schestowitz[15:26] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: but where's the interaction when it comes to folks who will help you find the right piece of work for you?Jun 09 15:27
schestowitzIRC?Jun 09 15:27
schestowitz[For example]Jun 09 15:28
Ziomatrixschestowitz: not really different age, I guess different environment and upbringingJun 09 15:28
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I guess that is correct, and I know many college libraries where librarians provide live chat.Jun 09 15:28
Ziomatrixschestowitz: have you ever used Academic Databases such as JSTOR or Lexis Nexus?Jun 09 15:29
schestowitzNot these onesJun 09 15:30
schestowitzJRULMJun 09 15:31
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Research/Links/journals.htmJun 09 15:31
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: does JRULM or ManU provide academic database services. tbh, I'm not sure as a montly service if it is delivered in a completely proprietary way. I know most articles can be viewed as PDFs or in HTML.Jun 09 15:33
schestowitzPDFJun 09 15:34
schestowitzElsevier does HTMLJun 09 15:34
schestowitzBut it's corruptJun 09 15:34
schestowitzThey engaged in corruption (fake journals) with Merck, so I sort of boycott themJun 09 15:34
schestowitzI actually had this chat with a mate of mine who's a professor yesterdayJun 09 15:35
schestowitzHe's still into patentsJun 09 15:35
schestowitzAnd he doesn't know about Elsevier's deeds. They get away with corruption and academics don't know about itJun 09 15:35
ZiomatrixI'm not surprised, any new articles posted on Techrights?Jun 09 15:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A patent lawyer, Bastian Best, seems to have taken the Twitter account "swpats" which mostly used as a tag to protest against them #ironyJun 09 15:45
Ziomatrixany its nice getting news from here every morning, laterJun 09 15:45
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schestowitzzoobab: did you hear about tivo verdict?Jun 09 15:46
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schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100608/1521449744.shtmlJun 09 15:49
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/06/sri-lanka-sarath-fonsekaJun 09 15:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65228Y20100603Jun 09 15:53
TechrightsTitle: Iraqi refugees haunted by horrors they left behind| Reuters .::. Size~: 50.85 KBJun 09 15:53
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/07/somalia-civil-war-al-qaidaJun 09 15:58
TechrightsTitle:  How Somalia's civil war became new front in battle against al-Qaida | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 76.81 KBJun 09 15:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Google Listen is broken. It wants a "gmail account to sync with reader.google.com". I have a non-gmail google account. It closes.Jun 09 16:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Unbelieveably hard to find a Windows based twitter client that _isnt_ build on Adobe air!?Jun 09 16:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Trying out Ya@st on Windows..Jun 09 16:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @stonemirror Want to See How Facebook Thinks About You? (Try to) Call 'Em Up! http://bit.ly/9wap0FJun 09 17:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm not sure three counties radio is as good since it started playing music.Jun 09 17:11
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGaYXahbcL4Jun 09 17:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way home....another few more minutes...Jun 09 17:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz at work.......you'd laugh if you knew where I was and what I was doing.Jun 09 17:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz at work..you would laugh if you knew what I was doing...Jun 09 17:20
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DaemonFCLadies and Gentlemen, Vista 7 is the most secure OS ever, now if you'll look up and to your right, SweatyB has turned on the "Please install 35 security patches for you" signJun 09 17:26
DaemonFCThank you for flying Vista7 Airlines, and have a mediocre day!Jun 09 17:29
DaemonFCFor your onboard entertainment, the WAT has arranged an in-flight anal probe, when you hear the attendant say "Ticket Please!", do hurry!"Jun 09 17:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @uupc S03E09 "The Talk of The Town" is out! http://bit.ly/aQ1hS9 featuring @castrojo @segphault and @jeremyfosheeJun 09 17:35
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Dear Ryan Farmer,Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFC Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFCFirst of all, we are so sorry for the late response.Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFCYour requesting model BD-C5500(Blue ray Disk Player) uses GPL/LGPL/other open source licensed software. Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFCYour request is just received to our development team, we are preparing open source package to be uploaded.Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFCWhen source uploading is done, we will give you notice as soon as possible.Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFCFor the next time, please contact us at the address below.Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFC Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFC* SAMSUNG Open Source Release Center : oss.request@samsung.comJun 09 17:41
DaemonFC* Download Webpage : http://opensource.samsung.com/Jun 09 17:41
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DaemonFC Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFCPlease don't hesitate to contact us if you have any questions about open source license.Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFCThank you for your patience.Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFC  Jun 09 17:41
DaemonFCKindly Regards, Jun 09 17:42
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4ZoPfK9MmQ&feature=relatedJun 09 17:44
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DaemonFCheheJun 09 17:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin it actually sounds interesting. As long as you don't do telemarketing... :-)Jun 09 17:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My Live 'At Home With Jono Bacon' videocast is at 11am Pac / 2pm Eas / 7pm UK today at http://bit.ly/wWBiQ - join the Q+A! #ubuntuJun 09 17:50
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DaemonFCPython Snippets and Mis-Matched Window Controls w/ Jono BaconJun 09 17:52
DaemonFCProduced by Jono BaconJun 09 17:52
DaemonFCEdited by Jono BaconJun 09 17:52
DaemonFCFilmed by Jono BaconJun 09 17:52
DaemonFCStarring Jono BaconJun 09 17:52
DaemonFCSpecial Guest Appearance by Jono BaconJun 09 17:52
jonoDaemonFC, wah wah wah!Jun 09 17:52
DaemonFC:)Jun 09 17:52
MinceRAt Home With Jono Bacon: The BurglarJun 09 17:53
jonololJun 09 17:54
DaemonFCjono, You should get Samuel L. Jackson to shout the F word every 3 seconds for no reason. "I'm tired of all these mother f---ing Python snippets on this mother f---ing operating system!!!"Jun 09 17:54
MinceRAt Home With Jono Bacon: Interior DesignJun 09 17:54
jonoDaemonFC, hahaJun 09 17:55
DaemonFChmmm, unsupervised kids in the alley with a moped, doing wipe-outs and possibly killing themselvesJun 09 17:58
*DaemonFC is glad he doesn't park out there or he might get sued when THEY crash into HIS carJun 09 17:58
DaemonFC:)Jun 09 17:58
DaemonFCjono, You remember that episode of Farscape where they're on the planet Litigaria?Jun 09 18:00
DaemonFC90% of the population is lawyers and nobody else has any rights at allJun 09 18:01
DaemonFCand you can get the death sentence for jaywalking?Jun 09 18:01
DaemonFCI wonder who they were lampooningJun 09 18:01
DaemonFCdon't you?Jun 09 18:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Big brother watch mentioned in identity documents bill debate as were no2id, nice to see their campaigns having an effect in high places.Jun 09 18:12
DaemonFCWe live in a country where a woman sued because she found out Crunch Berries are not in fact fruit, but breakfast cereal made of god knows whatJun 09 18:13
DaemonFCHow hard could it be to convince these people to go to war?Jun 09 18:13
MinceRGodberry! King of the Juice.Jun 09 18:14
DaemonFCipod, the king of MP3 players!Jun 09 18:14
DaemonFCand Budweiser, the King of Carbonated Moose Piss!Jun 09 18:15
MinceRhypePod, the king of paperweights?Jun 09 18:15
DaemonFCMinceR, Best Buy is now selling an unlicensed ipod accessory that charges your battery wirelessly by placing it on a mat. What the fuck is wrong with a person that would buy such a thing?Jun 09 18:16
DaemonFCYou're going to have the battery explode or get cancer because you're too fucking lazy to plug the damned thing in?Jun 09 18:16
DaemonFC:)Jun 09 18:16
MinceRidiots, like the ones who would buy a hypePod in the first placeJun 09 18:17
MinceRand the ones who buy exploding featurephonesJun 09 18:18
DaemonFCNo, don't plug it inJun 09 18:18
DaemonFCthat requires effortJun 09 18:18
DaemonFCget cancer instead!Jun 09 18:18
DaemonFC:DJun 09 18:18
DaemonFCSome people are so stupid that they don't even deserve a warning label and should automatically lose the right to sue over using something that's obviously that dangerous.Jun 09 18:20
DaemonFCI'm just throwing that out therJun 09 18:20
DaemonFCWho knows, maybe it will mutate their DNA and they'll have normal children.Jun 09 18:20
MinceRi'd rather play it safe and not allow them to have children.Jun 09 18:21
MinceRthe idiocracy has gone on long enough alreadyJun 09 18:21
MinceRhttp://blogs.chron.com/celebritybuzz/2010/06/radiohead_frontman_music_indus.htmlJun 09 18:21
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DaemonFCWell, they have the right to have as many children as they want. We can't take that right away from them or deny them welfare/the right to adopt 12 African children, or artificially inseminate themselves with the aide of a quack doctor.Jun 09 18:22
DaemonFCso says the USian governmentJun 09 18:22
MinceRthis wouldn't be the first case of the usian government being wrong.Jun 09 18:22
DaemonFCNo, they're always right, even when they're wrong. Don't you get the news in Hungary? :)Jun 09 18:23
DaemonFCIf I want to adopt a child from Mozambique and put him on welfare, that's my right.Jun 09 18:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Cleese speaks the truth - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4Jun 09 18:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Is calling someone a "online mate" indecent? No offend intended :-/Jun 09 18:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Nope! Never worked in sales, marketing or anything else like that...never worked in IT either!Jun 09 18:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Mozilla Firefox can also utilize Addon repository similar to "app store" for potential revenue generation #mozillaJun 09 18:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] DIY AIO PC Runs #GNU #Linux , Showing Linux Growth in Appliances http://ur1.ca/06gzn http://ur1.ca/06gzq #ubuntuJun 09 18:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #systemd is Coming to #Linux , #TurnKey Linux Now in Beta http://ur1.ca/06h05 http://ur1.ca/06h07Jun 09 18:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Celebrates Mainframe- #GNU #Linux Milestone, Korean Press Covers Linux http://ur1.ca/06h0l http://ur1.ca/06h0mJun 09 18:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Signs That "Linux [is] REALLY Going Mainstream" http://ur1.ca/06h0w http://ur1.ca/06h0xJun 09 18:41
TechrightsTitle: MeeGo, Android, ChromeOS - Signs of Linux REALLY Going Mainstream Finally? | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 53.1 KBJun 09 18:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sensationalism Isn’t Helping #Linux http://jonreagan.wordpress.com/2010/06/07/sensationalism-isnt-helping-linux/Jun 09 18:42
TechrightsTitle: Sensationalism Isnt Helping Linux « Searching for Freedom .::. Size~: 39.34 KBJun 09 18:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I have high expectations @paratenpartij for today's Dutch election suit coats. I hope we have kicked some IP/Jun 09 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I have high expectations @paratenpartij for today's Dutch election suit coats. I hope we have kicked some IP/Jun 09 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Oops, kicked some "IP" and Software pattens lobbyists assJun 09 18:44
DaemonFCIf McDonalds jacked their prices up 300% and launched a massive advertising campaign to convince people that each Big Mac is special and made just for them, I could compare them to AppleJun 09 18:48
DaemonFC"That's not a heat lamp, it's beaming "special rays" into each one"Jun 09 18:48
DaemonFC"Because you deserve it!"Jun 09 18:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] If you want to boot !fedora !gnu !linux 13 from USB thumb-drive (made with unetbootin) under !ubuntu 10.04. Choose "DEFAULT" from the menu.Jun 09 18:49
MinceRBig Macs would still not explode thenJun 09 18:50
MinceRand they'd still have some nutritional valueJun 09 18:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @brenno: FBI paid Joran van der Sloot $25,000 to probe plan to extort Natalee Holloway's mom, law enforcement official says. - CNNJun 09 18:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] If you want to boot #fedora #gnu #linux 13 from USB thumb-drive (made with unetbootin) under #ubuntu 10.04. Choose "DEFAULT" from the menu.Jun 09 18:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Eclipse Developers Increasingly Love #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/06h4t http://ur1.ca/06h4uJun 09 18:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Zaragoza is Moving to #GNU #Linux on the Desktop http://www.osor.eu/news/es-zaragozas-move-to-complete-open-source-desktop-going-to-planJun 09 18:55
TechrightsTitle: ES: Zaragoza's move to complete open source desktop going to plan &mdash;  .::. Size~: 30.27 KBJun 09 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] After much soul searching decided that I didn't need the Office suite and went back to my old package of choice - Abiword! #fossJun 09 18:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and I am referring to Open Office. I am currently running Abiword 2.8.5 and very good it is too!Jun 09 18:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to do my live Ubuntu and community videocast at http://bit.ly/4nJmbr - come and bring your questions! #ubuntu #communityJun 09 18:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @jonobacon I'm there! Great stuff!...Unfortunately having a few issues logging into chat, but I'll be there in the chat room in spirit!Jun 09 18:58
schestowitz[17:41] <DaemonFC> Your request is just received to our development team, we are preparing open source package to be uploaded.Jun 09 18:59
schestowitzGood jobJun 09 18:59
DaemonFC:DJun 09 18:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Oops the link for my live vidcast is http://bit.ly/wWBiQ - come and join us and bring questions now! #ubuntu #communityJun 09 19:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst no, it's fine. Right back at cha!Jun 09 19:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Am I one of the few who still enjoys a good MUD? http://www.aardwolf.com/ Mind you aardwolf is very popular #mud #linux #gamingJun 09 19:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and yes, Im still loving Andromud on Android.... #foss #linux #android #mudJun 09 19:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Windows font rendering really is awful. #truetype #typographyJun 09 19:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] listening to 5 talks from Mako-Hill (ogg in his Web site). Very interesting and recommended. #fsfJun 09 19:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back on SlayRadio.....its a very good online scene radio show....check it out: http://www.slayradio.org/home.php #scene #radioJun 09 19:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.35 Now in RC2, #ZFS Inclusion Revisited http://ur1.ca/06h9o http://ur1.ca/06h9p http://ur1.ca/06h9qJun 09 19:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: thanks, what a relieve you've got me a bit worried there (respond in COLA) ;-)Jun 09 19:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst voice is lost in textJun 09 19:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Software for Windows Runs Increasingly Better in #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/06hbl http://ur1.ca/06hbmJun 09 19:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Potential Danger with Canvas API in html5 #html5 #canvas http://post.ly/iypgJun 09 19:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Lot of New Activity in #KDE Project http://ur1.ca/06hdz http://ur1.ca/063si http://ur1.ca/06he0Jun 09 19:35
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DaemonFC"excludes all sales items that end in $.58Jun 09 19:41
DaemonFCso they send the coupons out and then end all the good stuff in $.58Jun 09 19:41
DaemonFC:)Jun 09 19:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I just don't get it why anyone would want to run MONO apps on !gnu !linux. Why not simply use Microsoft Windows .NET which it emulates?Jun 09 19:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I just don't get it why anyone would want to run MONO apps on #gnu #linux. Why not simply use Microsoft Windows .NET which it emulates?Jun 09 19:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Notes of secret UPLS meeting at the ECJ leaks, many countries not happy a "european" patent court outside of the EU http://ur1.ca/06hfxJun 09 19:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Notes of secret UPLS meeting at the ECJ leaks, many countries not happy about a "european" patent court outside the EU http://ur1.ca/06hfxJun 09 19:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Test post ftom the new phoneJun 09 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/06/nautilus-elementary-just-wont-stop.htmlJun 09 19:52
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Thank you.Jun 09 19:53
DaemonFCAlso, I noticed on the site in question that there is no source code available for the Samsung Solstice model SGH-A887. Would it be possible to request applicable source code for this phone too?Jun 09 19:53
DaemonFCThanks again,Jun 09 19:53
DaemonFCRyan FarmerJun 09 19:53
DaemonFClolJun 09 19:53
MinceR:>Jun 09 19:53
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JL92SFl_lAJun 09 19:54
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DaemonFCI have oneJun 09 19:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME is Hiring http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2010/06/02/Become-aJun 09 19:55
TechrightsTitle: Hiring a sysadmin for the GNOME infrastructure - journal zen - par Vincent .::. Size~: 14.28 KBJun 09 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Qubes Emerges for #Security Reasons http://ur1.ca/06hho Red Hat's report: http://ur1.ca/06hhpJun 09 19:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of "Leading Enterprise #Linux Vendors", http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3886276Jun 09 19:57
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DaemonFCdoes anyone know of a good Ogg player app that runs on Java mobile?Jun 09 20:00
schestowitzDoes Real do Ogg?Jun 09 20:03
schestowitzThey have many codecs in HelixJun 09 20:03
schestowitzI used Real on my PalmJun 09 20:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Ubuntu Widgets, Newsletter, and Wallpapers http://ur1.ca/06hjd http://ur1.ca/05yq3 http://ur1.ca/06hjeJun 09 20:04
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DaemonFCyeah, Helix does OggJun 09 20:04
DaemonFCdon't know about Real PlayerJun 09 20:04
DaemonFCthey are just a different container for MP4 latelyJun 09 20:04
DaemonFCWhy do you think the audio quality got better all of a suddenJun 09 20:05
DaemonFCvs. their old codecsJun 09 20:05
DaemonFC.ra container with MPEG-4 Audio is really just a DRM scheme for MPEG-4 AudioJun 09 20:06
DaemonFCthere's no reason to use .ra container if you're not using DRMJun 09 20:06
DaemonFCthe MP4 container has the same capabilities as .ra other than Real's DRMJun 09 20:07
DaemonFCVLC can play non-DRM's Real Audio because it supports the RA container aside from the DRM capabilitiesJun 09 20:08
DaemonFConce you get past that all you need is an MPEG-4 Audio codecJun 09 20:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BSDMag: Jun 6 BSD Firewalls [PDF] http://download.bsdmag.org/en/BSD_06_2010.pdfJun 09 20:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] It's lazy-supper evening! Todays lazy supper is Pasta & Pesto in a massive bowl. What's your lazy supper?Jun 09 20:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New testJun 09 20:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @sprechsucht: ♺ @ppinternational: First results of Dutch elections: http://is.gd/cJ9YJ #piratenpartijJun 09 20:24
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DaemonFChttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2010/jun/04/bilderberg-charlie-skelton-protestersJun 09 20:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@kthalps HuffPo is deeply compromised. Ties to all the bad guys. It's quite a salad. I'm way to the left of Arianna, apparently.Jun 09 20:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bidding Against #FreeSoftware (or Not Offering Tender) Can be Criminal http://ur1.ca/06htx http://ur1.ca/06htyJun 09 20:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Mijn voorkeur gaat nu uit naar de coalitie PvdA, VVD, GRLINKS, D66. Zal wel weer niet lukken :-(Jun 09 20:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: wow. Guardian actually mentioned the secret meetingJun 09 20:53
schestowitzThe consensus is to bury coverage of itJun 09 20:53
schestowitzThese people arguably break the lawJun 09 20:54
schestowitzThey discuss public policy in isolationJun 09 20:54
schestowitzI.e. they conspireJun 09 20:54
schestowitzMany important peopleJun 09 20:54
schestowitzMicrosoft is there too (Mundie)Jun 09 20:54
schestowitzAnd democracy is made to defend people from such conspiraciesJun 09 20:54
schestowitzSo there could be a case made to investigate them legally or force transparencyJun 09 20:54
schestowitz[same with ACTA]Jun 09 20:55
schestowitzDaemonFC: do you take Ritalin?Jun 09 20:56
schestowitzBen Mako uses itJun 09 20:56
DaemonFCnoJun 09 20:56
schestowitzI'm listening to his talk about itJun 09 20:56
schestowitzI once tried a Ritalin pillJun 09 20:56
schestowitzJust onceJun 09 20:56
schestowitzAnd it suppresses appetite as they sayJun 09 20:56
DaemonFCbullshitJun 09 20:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: you were hyperactiveJun 09 20:56
DaemonFCturns you into a zombie and you gain weightJun 09 20:56
schestowitzWas it Roch that makes RetalinJun 09 20:57
schestowitzZiba?Jun 09 20:57
DaemonFCwhy do you think there's so many diabetic kids?Jun 09 20:57
DaemonFCthey just put all of them on drugs so their parents can be idiotsJun 09 20:57
DaemonFCpay no attention to themJun 09 20:57
DaemonFCit's a conspiracy between the government, the drug companies, and bad parentsJun 09 20:58
schestowitzPharma is oddJun 09 20:58
schestowitzThey make drugsJun 09 20:58
DaemonFCbut not for the same reaonsJun 09 20:58
schestowitzBut it's legalJun 09 20:58
schestowitzCause it's made by rich people in factoriesJun 09 20:58
ThistleWebit's tough for parents to give their kids 10 mins, there's always a new reality show about to start on TV, or a game to playJun 09 20:58
schestowitzLike caffeine-meth thingJun 09 20:58
schestowitzAlcohol too is "legalised"Jun 09 20:58
DaemonFConly if you pay taxes on itJun 09 20:59
schestowitzPathologising conditionsJun 09 20:59
schestowitzTo 'cure' problems they categorise as curableJun 09 20:59
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schestowitzLike weight issue, energetic-ness, bad breath, etc.Jun 09 20:59
DaemonFCYou know that alcohol we sold you? It made you an alcoholic. Now you have to go away t oa taxpayer-funded rehab clinic.Jun 09 20:59
DaemonFC:DJun 09 21:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: so it's easier to tax alcohol?Jun 09 21:00
schestowitzCause it's not grown?Jun 09 21:00
DaemonFCit's easy to make alcoholJun 09 21:00
DaemonFCthey can't stop selling bread and sugar can they?Jun 09 21:00
DaemonFCmight as well tax itJun 09 21:00
schestowitzI once knew a guy in college who made beerJun 09 21:01
DaemonFCgive it brand namesJun 09 21:01
schestowitzBut I don't know if they sell equipment for that, nor do I careJun 09 21:01
DaemonFCyes they doJun 09 21:01
DaemonFCand you're allowed to make a certain amount tax-freeJun 09 21:01
DaemonFCfor personal consumptionJun 09 21:01
schestowitzIt still seems like a lot of work and needs distillingJun 09 21:02
schestowitzNot healthyJun 09 21:02
DaemonFCschestowitz, Kind of like how you *could* grow tobacco plants and roll cigarettes out of themJun 09 21:02
DaemonFCthe government really doesn't police the personal consumption growersJun 09 21:03
DaemonFCno real reason toJun 09 21:03
DaemonFCnot many people do it and they're not selling itJun 09 21:03
DaemonFCwould be a waste of manpower to enforce itJun 09 21:03
DaemonFCgrowing pot in your closet for yourself isn't really likely to get you arrestedJun 09 21:04
DaemonFCyou draw attention when you have a massive growing operation and sell it to peopleJun 09 21:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman "is largely responsible for the popularity of the #Linux operating system" http://geektrio.net/?p=3212Jun 09 21:05
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DaemonFCschestowitz, a lot of people fail to realize that it's usually not even the really illegal things that they do that get them caught doing the really illegal things they doJun 09 21:05
DaemonFChead/tail light out, not wearing seat belt, speedingJun 09 21:05
DaemonFCthat's going to draw attentionJun 09 21:06
DaemonFCsure hope you don't have anything illegal in the car :)Jun 09 21:06
DaemonFChow you carry yourself draws a lot of attention as wellJun 09 21:07
DaemonFCmay want to note thatJun 09 21:07
DaemonFCdoing illegal things rarely gets anyone in trouble by itselfJun 09 21:08
DaemonFCit's making the cop take a second look at youJun 09 21:08
DaemonFCif you're doing something illegal, the best way not to get caught is to blend in with the surroundingsJun 09 21:09
schestowitzI'm not sure howJun 09 21:10
schestowitzDidn't you know someone who made meth in her car?Jun 09 21:10
DaemonFChis carJun 09 21:11
schestowitz[before it lew up]Jun 09 21:11
schestowitz*blewJun 09 21:11
DaemonFChad ingredients for it in his carJun 09 21:11
DaemonFChe is a dumbassJun 09 21:11
DaemonFClights a cigarette next to a dozen things that can catch fire or explodeJun 09 21:11
DaemonFCDarwin Award runner upJun 09 21:11
DaemonFC(because he lived)Jun 09 21:11
DaemonFCyeah, he got second degree burns from thatJun 09 21:12
DaemonFCjumped out of the car while it was still movingJun 09 21:12
DaemonFCit ran an intersection and crashed into a phone poleJun 09 21:12
DaemonFCalmost makes my mom's ex husband's daughter look smartJun 09 21:13
DaemonFCshe just got caught with marijuana in plain view on the passenger's seat cause she wasn't wearing her seat beltJun 09 21:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ACTA Harms the World; Digital Economy Bill Uses Paedophiles http://ur1.ca/06hz7 http://ur1.ca/06hz9 #debillJun 09 21:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: Richard Stallman "is largely responsible for the popularity of the #Linux operating system" http://geektrio.net/?p=3212Jun 09 21:14
TechrightsTitle: ACTA may hamper fight against climate change - Press releases .::. Size~: 13.94 KBJun 09 21:14
TechrightsTitle: Paedo-Fear Pushes The Surveillance Agenda  | eWEEK Europe UK .::. Size~: 33.5 KBJun 09 21:14
TechrightsTitle: Geek Of The Week: Richard Stallman | Geek Trio .::. Size~: 54.72 KBJun 09 21:14
DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20007241-1.htmlJun 09 21:19
TechrightsTitle: Portal 2 closed until 2011; 'public safety' cited | Crave - CNET .::. Size~: 78.22 KBJun 09 21:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] GNU-Trex has a awesome concept to increase our productivity - http://chronosign.com/gnu-trex/ Need a server side version nowJun 09 21:19
TechrightsTitle: t-racks | no nonsense tracking .::. Size~: 2.94 KBJun 09 21:19
DaemonFCWhat the hell does any of that mean?Jun 09 21:19
schestowitzHaven't looked yetJun 09 21:21
schestowitzI hardly know anything about methJun 09 21:21
schestowitzWill need to look it up in Wikipedia laterJun 09 21:21
DaemonFCapparently the Nazis liked itJun 09 21:21
schestowitzSounds like methaneJun 09 21:21
DaemonFCand people in trailer parksJun 09 21:21
DaemonFCschestowitz, We can't stop selling cold pills with Pseudo EphedrineJun 09 21:23
DaemonFCcause it's not like things you can't make meth out of work fine as cold remediesJun 09 21:23
DaemonFC;)Jun 09 21:23
DaemonFCthe government wants there to be a meth problemJun 09 21:24
DaemonFCit's obviousJun 09 21:24
schestowitzClass wars?Jun 09 21:29
schestowitzI once hears the hypothesis that pot got  "illegal" label to punish the lower classJun 09 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Yes, you are correct, but Here is a different example - If we have a very good Toolkit which have everything for... http://post.ly/iypgJun 09 21:30
TechrightsTitle:         Potential Danger with Canvas API in html5 #html5 #canvas - LUG@IITD Community Blog     .::. Size~: 31.54 KBJun 09 21:30
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjVGKBzkXCYJun 09 21:41
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*schestowitz makes the kde panel very smallJun 09 22:01
schestowitzI made it about 25 pixels high.. more space for work, less for widgetsJun 09 22:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Grows Without Paying the Customers http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/06/05/cant-buy-love/Jun 09 22:05
TechrightsTitle:   Cant Buy Love at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 25.47 KBJun 09 22:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop #GNU #Linux "Ready for the Desktop, for a While Now." http://ur1.ca/06i7k http://ur1.ca/06i7lJun 09 22:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Fearless is not buying elections,' @SarahPalinUSA. You can get the rest of your schooling here: http://bit.ly/92apEp (via #aironlater)Jun 09 22:06
TechrightsTitle:   GNU/Linux is Ready for the Desktop, for a While Now. at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 30.36 KBJun 09 22:06
TechrightsTitle:   Patch Tuesday at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 24.9 KBJun 09 22:06
TechrightsTitle: Fearless | The Political Carnival .::. Size~: 61.22 KBJun 09 22:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] My fav on Twitter v1.0 - mix of openweb, js, jquery, open standards, freesoftware, web, advocacy, copyright, html5 etc. http://bit.ly/dpWsUGJun 09 22:07
TechrightsTitle: Twitter / @nsisodiya/fav .::. Size~: 58.84 KBJun 09 22:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Accountability is merely out of fashion. It'll come back in, like the #miniskirt.Jun 09 22:08
schestowitzHere come the FSF haters. "wow, that article is crap "[The GNU] project eventually adopted the Linux kernel," <- totally false. It's still HURD." http://280.status.net/notice/134253Jun 09 22:09
TechrightsTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse)  في يوم Wednesday, 09-Jun-10 17:42:18 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.02 KBJun 09 22:09
DaemonFCCanonical is selling patent protection now?Jun 09 22:12
DaemonFC:)Jun 09 22:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Aldous Huxley reborn in YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUTEOY1hre4 good stuffJun 09 22:19
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schestowitzTwitter is fork*dJun 09 22:19
schestowitzOver capacity todayJun 09 22:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: it doesn'tJun 09 22:19
schestowitzDaemonFC: that's what jono does 'on the side' ;-)Jun 09 22:20
DaemonFChttp://www.serverwatch.com/news/article.php/3886216/Canonical-Rolling-Out-Ubuntu-Advantage-for-Enterprise-Linux-OS.htmJun 09 22:21
DaemonFCjono should name it PPPJun 09 22:21
DaemonFCPlatform for Profiteering off Paranoia Jun 09 22:22
DaemonFC:DJun 09 22:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Every Great idea start from Diary - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Twttr_sketch-Dorsey-2006.jpg #twitter #ideaJun 09 22:28
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MinceRgnJun 09 22:36
Gametimecould someone help me find the right place to go? im looking for a channel based for nvidia ion LE hacks, etc.Jun 09 22:39
Gametimei find the right place? o.OJun 09 22:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] PatLit: UPLS: "We will fight them on the beaches ..." Greece, Spain, Cyprus and Italy consider it incompatible with EU http://ur1.ca/06iewJun 09 22:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Serious doubts concerning the lack of judicial EU control over the EPO granting procedure: http://ur1.ca/06if6Jun 09 22:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] #1. The ACR. http://is.gd/cJhM0- OH DEAR GOD WHAT (((O_O))) I have just been shocked by something on the Internet. Courtesy @cracked .Jun 09 22:45
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schestowitzGametime: heyJun 09 22:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Austria Repeats the Internet Explorer Mistake http://ur1.ca/06ig8 to make matters worse, the government supports thisJun 09 22:53
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schestowitztry #phoronixJun 09 22:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] BreakingNews: Security breach exposes 114,000 Apple iPad owners' subscriber data http://bit.ly/9p6BbIJun 09 22:55
TechrightsTitle: Apple's Worst Security Breach: 114,000 iPad Owners Exposed .::. Size~: 81.3 KBJun 09 22:55
Gametimethanks schestowitz.Jun 09 22:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Steps on Windows and Internet Explorer, Promoting Some Software Freedom Instead http://ur1.ca/06iiw http://ur1.ca/06iixJun 09 22:57
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schestowitzGametime: no problemJun 09 22:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hardware Support in #Linux and #Vista7 Compared http://g33q.co.za/2010/06/07/comparative-test-problems-hardware-windows7-and-linux/Jun 09 22:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sample of Developments in #Graphics Stack of #Linux http://ur1.ca/06ij7 http://ur1.ca/06ij8 http://ur1.ca/06ij9 http://ur1.ca/06ijaJun 09 22:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Pete Townshend "Empty Glass" 1980 has 1.5 good songs: "And I Moved" and "Let My Love Open The Door".Jun 09 22:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @mparent77772 #Israel request for more arms from #US raises fears of regional violence http://bit.ly/bAutP7 // DUH!! #warJun 09 22:59
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TechrightsTitle: Israeli request for more arms from US raises fears of regional violence -Middle East, World - The Independent .::. Size~: 112.5 KBJun 09 22:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Israel begging for more #US weapons really does speak of a commitment to peace.. right. They are nothing if not consistently belligerent.Jun 09 23:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] EuroGreens promoting software patents and patented royalty bearing H264 videos on their website, against their policy http://ur1.ca/06ikmJun 09 23:01
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Why do people defend H.264 as beeing free? (as in freeware)Jun 09 23:05
DaemonFCNot costing anything until 2016 does not make it freeware.Jun 09 23:05
DaemonFCIt means, long term price is TBD :PJun 09 23:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @MMFlint Newsweek notices man about to run all US intelligence is slightly insane - http://mmflint.me/cVk1FB // #wmd #iraq #AllOverAgainJun 09 23:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The effects of software patent policy on the motivation and innovation of Free Libre and Open Source developers http://ur1.ca/06ilhJun 09 23:08
DaemonFChttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0913429920100609Jun 09 23:11
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DaemonFCthe time to do this was not after the damage was already doneJun 09 23:12
DaemonFC:)Jun 09 23:12
DaemonFCthis isn't about jobsJun 09 23:14
DaemonFCor factoriesJun 09 23:15
DaemonFCit's about "pay us for patent licenses -or else- we turn the anti-dumping laws on you"Jun 09 23:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab EuroGreens promoting software patents and patented royalty bearing H264 videos on their website, [..] http://ur1.ca/06ikmJun 09 23:17
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DaemonFChttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20007269-503544.htmlJun 09 23:17
TechrightsTitle: Mormon Church Fined In Connection With Anti-Gay Marriage Campaign - Political Hotsheet - CBS News .::. Size~: 58.77 KBJun 09 23:17
schestowitzDaemonFC: won't be long till China dumps the dollar?Jun 09 23:18
schestowitzThe US would invade to shove USD down their throat :-) :-pJun 09 23:18
DaemonFCI doubt itJun 09 23:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: Novell has many MormonsJun 09 23:18
schestowitzBoycott Novell and you'll suppress those who fund anti-gay movement :-) :-)Jun 09 23:19
DaemonFCOpenSuse developers hunkered down in Texas compounds with their 9 wives and 43 kidsJun 09 23:19
DaemonFCI just can't imagine thisJun 09 23:19
schestowitzNoJun 09 23:19
schestowitzOpenSUE devs are in EuropeJun 09 23:19
schestowitzSUE->SUSEJun 09 23:19
schestowitzThe sinister Novell (nonfree software and Mono) is in the USJun 09 23:20
Diablo-D3suse isnt worth mentioning imoJun 09 23:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft has already approached Canonical pressuring them to sign up to a patent deal, but they turned it down http://ur1.ca/06iqgJun 09 23:27
TechrightsTitle:    The Ubuntu Advantage? Canonical Takes On Red Hat |   Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 44.31 KBJun 09 23:27
Diablo-D3its very unpopular, it doesnt do anything unique that everyone already didnt do firstJun 09 23:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell is Once Again Promoting #Vista7 and #Microsoft Visual Studio http://ur1.ca/06irc #suse #monoJun 09 23:32
TechrightsTitle: Novell is Once Again Promoting Vista 7 and Microsoft Visual Studio | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.91 KBJun 09 23:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Mirandacan Seen Wolf's End of #America video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWcJun 09 23:35
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Talk - Naomi Wolf - The End of America .::. Size~: 73.81 KBJun 09 23:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Ireland maintains that the creation of a unified patent litigation system cannot be considered to be an EU objective: http://ur1.ca/06ishJun 09 23:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The followup, "All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes", is like a pile of Who B-sides. At least "Scoop" *says* it's demos.Jun 09 23:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] UPLS is undermining the European Court of Justice to hear and determine disputes in matters relating to Community law http://ur1.ca/06ishJun 09 23:44
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] planning to try out slackware 13.1 today on a spare hdd, seeing if its a better mix of Just Works(TM) and do-it-yourself-ness :)Jun 09 23:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@Mirandacan Try this John Pilger: http://bit.ly/dAXFQ0 Also any of his books, such as DISTANT VOICES and HIDDEN AGENDAS. #war #iraq #gazaJun 09 23:52
TechrightsTitle: New Statesman - The way to lie about another war .::. Size~: 34.92 KBJun 09 23:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Look at this dipshit. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/09/john-culberson-gulf-oil-s_n_606443.html Culberson #TX #Texas #gop #oilJun 09 23:55
TechrightsTitle: John Culberson: Gulf Oil Spill Is A 'Statistical Anomaly,' Texas Congressman Says .::. Size~: 204.14 KBJun 09 23:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Gains New Software #Patents to Potentially be Sold to Patent Trolls http://ur1.ca/06iw6 #swpatsJun 09 23:56
TechrightsTitle: Novell Gains New Software Patents to Potentially be Sold to Patent Trolls | Techrights .::. Size~: 84.42 KBJun 09 23:56

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