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yuhongEven now there are still some commenters who didn't read the entire ruling posting about how OpenSolaris is in trouble.Jun 11 00:00
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yuhongLike in this Ars thread.Jun 11 00:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] IRex files for bankruptcy! Maybe if their ereaders weren't so damned expensive they might have sold a few! Fools.Jun 11 00:03
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PottedGhostshouldn't you guys change this channel name since you changed names?Jun 11 00:09
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DaemonFChttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704575304575296521689666214.html?mod=googlenews_wsjJun 11 00:13
TechrightsTitle: Chrysler to Invest $300 Million in Indiana Plants - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 108.63 KBJun 11 00:13
DaemonFCmore windfall from MichiganJun 11 00:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Sinister disco. http://glasnost.us/~knifa/swinger/index.php/view/4068Jun 11 00:19
yuhongschestowitz: So have you finished?Jun 11 00:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The unified patent litigation system (UPLS) — a back door to software patents in Europe — may be on its deathbed http://ur1.ca/06q9d #swpatsJun 11 00:24
TechrightsTitle: UPLS is on the Rocks | Techrights .::. Size~: 85.71 KBJun 11 00:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #UPLS — a back door to software patents in Europe — may be on its deathbed http://techrights.org/2010/06/10/upls-deathbed #swpatsJun 11 00:25
TechrightsTitle: UPLS is on the Rocks | Techrights .::. Size~: 85.71 KBJun 11 00:25
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cubezzzI should be able to port stuff to Basic LinuxJun 11 00:30
cubezzzit's x86 after allJun 11 00:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] ♺ @jdub: Best thing about the popularisation of the term "hashtag"? We're no longer stuck with the Americanism, "pound". That's a win. +1Jun 11 00:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] http://www.ubuntu.com/products/casestudies/Andalusia-deploys-220000-Ubuntu-desktops-in-schools-throughout-the-region #ubuntu #schools #esJun 11 00:38
TechrightsTitle: Andalusia deploys 220,000 Ubuntu desktops in schools throughout the region | Ubuntu .::. Size~: 37.5 KBJun 11 00:38
zoobabhiJun 11 00:40
zoobablive from BerlinJun 11 00:40
zoobabgoing to Linuxtag tomorrowJun 11 00:40
zoobabFlorian and Rob speaking thereJun 11 00:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Right, what can I do in the 2 mins 30 seconds until TF2 finishes downloading...Jun 11 00:44
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schestowitzzoobab: yes, I saw the LinuxTag pageJun 11 01:09
schestowitzT-shirts with Microsogt logo this year?Jun 11 01:09
schestowitzMicrosoft forced them to accept money to attendJun 11 01:09
cubezzzhow could they force them?Jun 11 01:12
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ender2070hey cubezzzJun 11 01:14
ender2070my laptop runs 21 WattsJun 11 01:15
ender2070low load/idleJun 11 01:15
ender2070between 20-50 during bootupJun 11 01:15
ender2070so thats twice as efficient as ur p3 and almost 100 times fasterJun 11 01:15
Diablo-D3lolfailJun 11 01:16
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ender2070he was bragging about his p3's 100 WattsJun 11 01:17
ender2070brb gonna check windowsJun 11 01:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Joke of the Day: “Open Source Developers Should Thank Apple” http://ur1.ca/06qgs It's sad to see The H going down this roadJun 11 01:20
TechrightsTitle: Joke of the Day: “Open Source Developers Should Thank Apple” | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.31 KBJun 11 01:20
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DaemonFCheh, the Sirius website only works in IEJun 11 01:20
Diablo-D3actually, we should thank AppleJun 11 01:21
Diablo-D3it proves you can run a business on other people's open source codeJun 11 01:21
Diablo-D3dohohohohohohoJun 11 01:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Why on earth did various EU Member States press in the negotiations so hard to include countries which are not EU? http://ur1.ca/06qh7Jun 11 01:24
TechrightsTitle: The EU Patent and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union - TFEU  - BLOG@IPJUR.COM .::. Size~: 62.11 KBJun 11 01:24
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ender2070my desktop uses a lot more powerJun 11 01:30
ender2070151 WattsJun 11 01:30
ender2070on the laptop windows used about 10 more watts than linux didJun 11 01:37
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DaemonFChmm, the ice cream man is comingJun 11 01:48
DaemonFChttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/06/10/businessinsider-google-dumps-its-bing-like-background-image-2010-6.DTLJun 11 01:50
TechrightsTitle: Google Dumps Its Bing-Like Background Image (GOOG, MSFT) .::. Size~: 108.84 KBJun 11 01:50
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ender2070so my suspicion is confirmedJun 11 01:53
ender2070windows does use more powerJun 11 01:53
ender2070using windows will cause global warming, close them upJun 11 01:54
lammreally?Jun 11 01:54
ender2070yesJun 11 01:54
lammhahaJun 11 01:54
lammintrestingJun 11 01:54
ender207021 watts in fedora linux on idleJun 11 01:54
lammgoodJun 11 01:54
ender207022Jun 11 01:54
ender207031 watts in win7Jun 11 01:55
ender2070idleJun 11 01:55
lammwow!Jun 11 01:55
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ender2070i never got it past 30 watts when loading apps in fedoraJun 11 01:55
ender2070windows was fluxuating between 30-68 watts when I needed to run somethingJun 11 01:55
lammridiculousJun 11 01:56
ender2070windows will increase your carbon footprintJun 11 01:56
lammi try to conserve energy as much as possibleJun 11 01:56
lammi run TrisquelJun 11 01:56
ender2070trisquel is niceJun 11 01:57
ender2070i'd like a fedora based linux-libre distro thoughJun 11 01:57
lammi hear yaJun 11 01:57
lammi am new to the movement, so i've only tried a few distrosJun 11 01:57
bruce89allegedly there is one in blagJun 11 01:58
lammnamely Ubuntu and several derivativesJun 11 01:58
ender2070if a million people switched from windows to fedora, the power grid usage would drop significantlyJun 11 01:58
ender2070bruce89 - blag is deadJun 11 01:58
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yuhonghttp://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/wwdc-keynote-wifi-woes-may-have-been-due-to-iphone-4g-drivers.arsJun 11 01:58
bruce89just as well by the looks of its front pageJun 11 01:58
TechrightsTitle: WWDC Keynote WiFi woes may have been due to iPhone 4 drivers .::. Size~: 35.11 KBJun 11 01:58
lammender2070, i read somewhere that blag is getting resurrected Jun 11 01:59
DaemonFCender2070, Poor Blag, I heard its final words were "Blag Blag Blag" before it fell to the floor, lifelessJun 11 01:59
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 01:59
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ender2070it would be nice if it were resurrectedJun 11 01:59
ender2070however, currently its based on Fedora 7Jun 11 01:59
ender2070kinda datedJun 11 01:59
lammrightJun 11 01:59
ender2070cubezzz might want itJun 11 02:00
ender2070lolJun 11 02:00
DaemonFCFedora 9Jun 11 02:00
DaemonFCand the only version is x86 32-bitJun 11 02:00
ender20709 is it?Jun 11 02:00
ender2070oh not _that_ bad but still deadJun 11 02:00
ender2070the name certainly sucksJun 11 02:00
DaemonFCBlag reminds me of what happens when you drink too much vodkaJun 11 02:01
ender2070lolJun 11 02:01
bruce89it shouldn't be that difficult to make a spin I should hopeJun 11 02:01
ender2070it'll become obsolete pretty quickly soon anywaysJun 11 02:01
DaemonFConly then it's more like "Blaaaag......Blaaaaaaaag......Blaaaaaaaaaaag!!!!"Jun 11 02:02
DaemonFCwait a momentJun 11 02:02
DaemonFCwait a momentJun 11 02:02
DaemonFC"BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG!!!!!!"Jun 11 02:02
ender2070I was told that the Fedora project is working on splitting non free stuff themselves into seperate packages anywaysJun 11 02:02
DaemonFC:DJun 11 02:02
ender2070they are doing it for other reasons, maintenanceJun 11 02:02
ender2070sometimes they can pull newer firmwares and use them on the current kernelJun 11 02:02
bruce89linux-firmware?Jun 11 02:03
ender2070but at the same time it lets you blacklist it as a packageJun 11 02:03
ender2070yeah the linux-firmware packageJun 11 02:03
ender2070you'll just make a spin that excludes it, and then have it blacklisted in yumJun 11 02:03
DaemonFCShould be resurrected as BingJun 11 02:03
ender2070same effectJun 11 02:03
DaemonFCthen whenever anyone Bing's Bing they get BingJun 11 02:03
bruce89as well as breaking the internet of courseJun 11 02:03
ender2070lolJun 11 02:04
DaemonFConly 3% of itJun 11 02:04
bruce89oh no, that's for "google" in googleJun 11 02:04
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ender2070i was planning on doing a linux-libre kernel for fedora when they told me thatJun 11 02:04
DaemonFCoh noez!!! Your wifi may work!Jun 11 02:04
DaemonFCTake that evil corporate wifi blob!Jun 11 02:04
DaemonFCand this and this!!Jun 11 02:04
DaemonFCand that!!!Jun 11 02:04
ender2070someone from fedora said linux-libre was stupid because they remove anything that looks non-freeJun 11 02:04
ender2070removing stuff that isntJun 11 02:05
DaemonFCzap! Pow!!! Kersplat!!!!!Jun 11 02:05
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*bruce89 wonder if it applies to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikipediaJun 11 02:05
ender2070they use a script, its not manually doneJun 11 02:05
TechrightsTitle: Wikipedia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 428.02 KBJun 11 02:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Must be 'cos of @spinzer RT @weikim @bbctech: The mobile network scraps unlimited data for phones,likely to be followed http://bit.ly/dmHpcrJun 11 02:05
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ender2070DaemonFC - you dont understand the point in being against blobsJun 11 02:05
DaemonFCThe most practical rationale for removing device drivers and firmware I've seen is the potential security and stability issuesJun 11 02:06
DaemonFCbut you remove them and the device certainly won't workJun 11 02:06
ender2070DaemonFC - besides the fact that only one vendor can fix bugs, you got security issues and the potential that your driver is spying on youJun 11 02:06
DaemonFCso do we get a free driver faster if .1% of Linux users who didn't have that device remove the firmware for themselves?Jun 11 02:06
ender2070you're letting unknown code touch your kernelJun 11 02:06
ender2070it could have anything in itJun 11 02:07
ender2070you dont know where its been!Jun 11 02:07
DaemonFCadds flavorJun 11 02:07
ender2070that driver could have been pulled out of someones assJun 11 02:07
DaemonFCmaybeJun 11 02:07
lammender2070, lolJun 11 02:08
DaemonFCmaybe that driver was Steve Ballmer's buttplugJun 11 02:08
DaemonFCFGLRXJun 11 02:08
lammoooookJun 11 02:08
lammenough grossness?Jun 11 02:08
bruce89FGLRX is bad enoughJun 11 02:08
ender2070funny how I mention bad drivers and everyone starts talking about ATIJun 11 02:09
DaemonFCyes, almost like they've used themJun 11 02:09
bruce89https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirmwareJun 11 02:10
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bruce89DaemonFC: fair enough, I haven't for about 5 yearsJun 11 02:10
DaemonFCender2070, Looks like they're splitting them off for reasons of license housekeepingJun 11 02:11
ender2070yeahJun 11 02:12
ender2070it wasnt to do linux-libre type stuffJun 11 02:12
ender2070they can keep them maintained seperately, allowing newer versions to be used without waiting for a new kernel releaseJun 11 02:12
ender2070theres one I need for my laptopJun 11 02:13
ender2070https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/iwl3945-firmwareJun 11 02:13
TechrightsTitle: Fedora Package Database -- iwl3945-firmware .::. Size~: 28.98 KBJun 11 02:13
bruce89same hereJun 11 02:13
DaemonFCopenfwwf works much better than Broadcom's bcm4318 firmwareJun 11 02:14
DaemonFCsometimes Broadcom's firmware would stop working for no reasonJun 11 02:14
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DaemonFChttp://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/chart?symbol=BP.LJun 11 02:17
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ender2070I dont really need wifi any more though I got wimaxJun 11 02:21
ender2070it uses ethernet from the modemJun 11 02:21
ender2070I was trying slackware, nice stuffJun 11 02:21
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ender2070fedora is still the best thoughJun 11 02:57
ender2070nice to see the others catching up thoughJun 11 02:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @sameerverma: #Linux could ease schools' tech crunch. Kudos to #Partimus (http://partimus.org/) http://is.gd/cKKeSJun 11 03:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @grantbow: Article today by @MikeCassidy on Linux in schools http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_15269820Jun 11 03:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Thx to @MikeCassidy 4 writing an article in a major newspaper on the ways that Linux can help public schoolsJun 11 03:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @sameerverma: ♺ @toros: #WorksWithU: Dell Says #Ubuntu Is Safer Than Windows - http://bit.ly/az1yumJun 11 03:29
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cubezzzI can't get ssh going on this ancient thing :-/Jun 11 03:43
cubezzzat least wget worksJun 11 03:46
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cubezzzis it ok to use wget with passwords?Jun 11 03:50
cubezzzprobably ok for what I'm doing Jun 11 03:50
cubezzznope, can't do itJun 11 03:52
cubezzzthis is some stripped down busybox wget and it can't do passwordsJun 11 03:53
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cubezzzhow old is slackware 4, anyone know?Jun 11 04:35
Diablo-D3wikipedia doesJun 11 04:35
cubezzzmay 1999, ok not too badJun 11 04:37
cubezzzat least plip works nowJun 11 04:39
cubezzzwhat a pain in the assJun 11 04:39
DaemonFCW3C needs to be scrappedJun 11 04:40
DaemonFCin totalJun 11 04:40
DaemonFCcompanies and organizations really intending to work together should form a new standards bodyJun 11 04:41
DaemonFCignore the W3C and let it turn into Microsoft, Apple, and Adobe onlyJun 11 04:41
DaemonFCthat should drag their comspiracy to fuck us all over out into the lightJun 11 04:42
DaemonFCthat's really kind of what happened already with WebM I think, just limited to audio/video formatJun 11 04:43
cubezzzthings on the net might diverge even moreJun 11 04:44
cubezzzyou'll have the "GNU net" and the "Microsoft and friends Net"Jun 11 04:44
cubezzzthere's that compiled html thing Microsoft hadJun 11 04:44
DaemonFCyou mean kind of like when the W3C wasn't corrupted and everyone else was trying to corrupt those standards in their own browsers?Jun 11 04:44
DaemonFCbefore they got the idea to infiltrate W3C and rot it from the inside instead?Jun 11 04:45
cubezzzI expect Microsoft to corrupt stuffJun 11 04:45
DaemonFCWhat you have now in the W3C is a bunch of companies that genuinely do want the same markup to work in their browser, and that's just a common baseJun 11 04:46
DaemonFCand on the surface, that's a good thingJun 11 04:46
DaemonFCbut within that markup, they want Silverlight ahd h.264 and things like thatJun 11 04:46
DaemonFCthings only they have the right to implementJun 11 04:46
cubezzzI'm shocked at how fast something can die Jun 11 04:46
DaemonFCmarkup is passeJun 11 04:47
DaemonFCmarkup is not what you want to corrupt anymoreJun 11 04:47
DaemonFCmarkup is on the sidelinesJun 11 04:47
DaemonFCthe cartel wants their own codecs and plug-ins within standard markup nowJun 11 04:48
DaemonFCcorrupting the markup was like a price warJun 11 04:48
cubezzzI use htmlJun 11 04:48
DaemonFCa cartel doesn't work well in a price warJun 11 04:48
cubezzzof course I use stuff other people do not useJun 11 04:48
DaemonFCthe cartel wants to group up and split up the money between themselvesJun 11 04:49
DaemonFCW3C has turned into a cartelJun 11 04:49
DaemonFCthey used to be a standards bodyJun 11 04:49
DaemonFCMozilla should withdraw from the farce that's leftJun 11 04:50
DaemonFCbut they're not big enough toJun 11 04:50
DaemonFCGoogle and Mozilla seem to be the good guys hereJun 11 04:50
DaemonFCMicrosoft and Apple are the Axis of EvilJun 11 04:51
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 04:51
DaemonFCstockpiling their plug-ins of web destructionJun 11 04:51
DaemonFC:)Jun 11 04:51
ender2070microsoft is causing global warmingJun 11 04:52
cubezzzbah, now I have to hoke through slack 4 :-/Jun 11 04:52
ender2070hey cubezzz u noobJun 11 04:53
ender2070my laptop idles at 22 watts roughlyJun 11 04:53
cubezzzwhich cpu?Jun 11 04:54
ender2070core 2 2.2ghzJun 11 04:54
DaemonFChow many watts precisely?Jun 11 04:54
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 04:54
ender2070my desktop is running 151 wattsJun 11 04:55
DaemonFCWhy do I sing along with that I Wear No Pants commercialJun 11 04:55
DaemonFCgahhhH!!!!Jun 11 04:55
DaemonFCthey're digging into my brainJun 11 04:56
ender2070q6600, geforce 9800gtx+Jun 11 04:56
ender2070cpu is overclocked tooJun 11 04:56
DaemonFCthe 9800 is not idealJun 11 04:56
ender2070the gtx+ isJun 11 04:56
ender207055nmJun 11 04:56
DaemonFCit roughly matches the low end RadeonHD 5000 seriesJun 11 04:56
DaemonFCbut it takes twice the powerJun 11 04:56
ender2070pffftJun 11 04:56
ender2070idiotJun 11 04:56
DaemonFCand doesn't support OpenGL 3/4 or DirectX 11Jun 11 04:57
ender2070no games use dx11Jun 11 04:57
DaemonFCthey willJun 11 04:57
ender2070not on linuxJun 11 04:57
DaemonFCNvidia is the only thing holding it backJun 11 04:57
DaemonFCyeah, it only does OpenGL 2.1 in hardwareJun 11 04:57
DaemonFCspeaking of LinuxJun 11 04:57
DaemonFCso it's an even worse Linux cardJun 11 04:57
ender2070it outperforms yours in linuxJun 11 04:58
DaemonFCso?Jun 11 04:58
ender2070thats what I bought it for - linuxJun 11 04:58
DaemonFCnot with FOSS driversJun 11 04:58
cubezzzclosed source drivers...Jun 11 04:58
DaemonFCwhich you pretend to care about anywayJun 11 04:58
cubezzzno thanksJun 11 04:58
ender2070I used to have an ATI 4850Jun 11 04:58
ender2070bullshit cardJun 11 04:58
DaemonFCyeah, the 4850 is a gas guzzlerJun 11 04:59
DaemonFC:PJun 11 04:59
DaemonFCthe 5000 series is much more balanced power/performanceJun 11 04:59
cubezzzI'm not 100% happy with my setup, but it's getting thereJun 11 04:59
DaemonFCthe 4000 series is terribleJun 11 05:00
ender2070cubezzz - ill probably have to attribute my power savings to my power supplyJun 11 05:00
DaemonFCespecially at idleJun 11 05:00
ender2070ati does not make any decent cardsJun 11 05:00
DaemonFCthe cards are greatJun 11 05:00
cubezzzthe problem I find with laptops is they heat up a lotJun 11 05:00
DaemonFCthe Linux support plain sucksJun 11 05:00
cubezzzmaybe intel has solved that problem finallyJun 11 05:00
ender2070if they were great they would work in linuxJun 11 05:00
DaemonFCNvidia cards a re shitJun 11 05:00
DaemonFCthe drivers are OKJun 11 05:00
ender2070my definition of great requires linux supportJun 11 05:00
ender2070meaning the manufacture gives a shit about linuxJun 11 05:00
DaemonFCopen source?Jun 11 05:00
DaemonFCor binary blobs that could be doing anything?Jun 11 05:01
DaemonFC:)Jun 11 05:01
cubezzzdon't say open source, say FOSS insteadJun 11 05:01
DaemonFCATI's FOSS drivers are light years ahead of NouveauJun 11 05:01
cubezzzATI isn't doing too badlyJun 11 05:01
cubezzzI compiled by own driver on the toughbook, works fineJun 11 05:01
ender2070ATI just gives out the docs because they dont want to give out the cashJun 11 05:01
ender2070plain and simpleJun 11 05:01
DaemonFCso?Jun 11 05:02
cubezzzthat's acceptableJun 11 05:02
DaemonFCstill moving faster than NouveauJun 11 05:02
ender2070not when people are too stupid to write good driversJun 11 05:02
ender2070why dont they fucking work?Jun 11 05:02
cubezzzthe Nouveau folks are working hard tooJun 11 05:02
ender2070ati had ONE guy in the basementJun 11 05:02
cubezzzthey'll get thereJun 11 05:02
ender2070yeah well i dont want to wait 3 years before my card worksJun 11 05:02
DaemonFCyeah, cubezzz I'll give you blueprints and I'll tell ender2070 to build something of equal quality blindfolded with no idea what he's doingJun 11 05:03
DaemonFCwe'll see who is firstJun 11 05:03
ender2070the docs are one thingJun 11 05:03
DaemonFCI'll call you "radeon" and him "nvidia"Jun 11 05:03
ender2070you have to know WHY they are designed in such a wayJun 11 05:03
cubezzzATI gave out a lot of docs, I've seen themJun 11 05:04
cubezzzit's understandableJun 11 05:04
ender2070and are they giving out people who understand them?Jun 11 05:04
cubezzzthere's probably some cross-pollination happeningJun 11 05:04
ender2070nopeJun 11 05:05
ender2070just docsJun 11 05:05
ender2070no supportJun 11 05:05
ender2070just here you go, make us free drivers and give us good publicityJun 11 05:05
cubezzzsome ATI guy who likes Linux and works on his own time probablyJun 11 05:05
ender2070intel does way more than ATIJun 11 05:05
ender2070they give docs, they GIVE open source drivers!Jun 11 05:05
cubezzzno video cards thoughJun 11 05:06
ender2070they dont just make us do ALL the work for themJun 11 05:06
cubezzzyou would have to buy the whole motherboardJun 11 05:06
ender2070Intel GraphicsJun 11 05:06
ender2070100% open sourceJun 11 05:06
cubezzzand you know they have cryptographically signed bioses right?Jun 11 05:06
ender2070thats the only 100% open source graphics driver you'll ever install that isn't reverse engineeredJun 11 05:06
cubezzzso no flashrom support thereJun 11 05:07
ender2070oh yeah, i forgot you're nutsJun 11 05:07
cubezzzyou'll find out laterJun 11 05:07
ender2070lol ok thereJun 11 05:08
cubezzzoops, I can't seem to flash my bios, oh dearJun 11 05:09
ender2070what are you going to find thats 100% open source and has a good graphics chip?Jun 11 05:09
cubezzzprobably gigabtye or tyan motherboard with ATI video cardJun 11 05:09
ender2070noJun 11 05:10
cubezzzseparate motherboard + cardJun 11 05:10
ender2070ATI isnt open sourceJun 11 05:10
ender2070bamJun 11 05:10
ender2070wrongJun 11 05:10
cubezzzdidn't I just say I compiled my own video driver?Jun 11 05:10
ender2070its not open sourceJun 11 05:10
ender2070you're totally fuckign wrong if you think just the driver makes you freeJun 11 05:11
ender2070what about the firmware itself on the cardJun 11 05:11
ender2070thats completely proprietaryJun 11 05:11
ender2070you better burn itJun 11 05:11
cubezzzok, and what about the firmware on my hard drive?Jun 11 05:11
cubezzzyou can go on and on about nothingJun 11 05:12
ender2070proprietaryJun 11 05:12
ender2070you better scrap thatJun 11 05:12
cubezzzdon't care about it Jun 11 05:12
ender2070in fact you cant build a computer at allJun 11 05:12
ender2070thats why im saying you're insaneJun 11 05:12
ender2070you draw the line in stupid placesJun 11 05:12
ender2070wheres the logicJun 11 05:12
ender2070why not the hard drive firmware tooJun 11 05:13
ender2070nobody cares about the bios either dude, you see it for 1 second and linux doesnt touch it for anythingJun 11 05:13
cubezzzyou don't Jun 11 05:13
cubezzzfull stopJun 11 05:13
ender2070nobody doesJun 11 05:13
ender2070you might have 100 people that agree with youJun 11 05:13
cubezzzsay that in coreboot thenJun 11 05:13
ender2070look at the size of the projectsJun 11 05:13
cubezzzmore people in there that here Jun 11 05:14
ender2070if you care, you must care about your hard drive firmware, you might want to get a floppy driveJun 11 05:14
cubezzzI have plenty of thoseJun 11 05:14
cubezzzI've been through these arugments beforeJun 11 05:14
ender2070you're being irrationalJun 11 05:15
cubezzzlearning to reprogram the bios would teach you a lotJun 11 05:15
cubezzzyou're just lazyJun 11 05:15
ender2070it will teach me something obsoleteJun 11 05:15
cubezzztessier is crazier than me by farJun 11 05:16
ender2070lolJun 11 05:16
cubezzzhe wants to build a relay computerJun 11 05:16
ender2070did you hear about msi replacing the biosJun 11 05:16
ender2070should be easier to hackJun 11 05:17
ender2070its going to be an open standardJun 11 05:17
cubezzzsounds good to meJun 11 05:17
ender2070i dont mind waiting for that thoughJun 11 05:17
ender2070because ill be able to upgrade my hardware to get itJun 11 05:18
cubezzzwhat about CGA cards? Did they have firmware?Jun 11 05:18
ender2070vs getting something slowerJun 11 05:18
cubezzzI'll ask IBM for the old firmware Jun 11 05:18
ender2070lol pretty sure they didJun 11 05:19
ender2070nothing you can access most of the timeJun 11 05:19
cubezzzok, motherboard bios reprogramming, I can see the reason why people do thatJun 11 05:19
ender2070some people were changing the firmware on their ati cards to get them working with the mac driversJun 11 05:19
cubezzzbut hard drive firmware??Jun 11 05:19
ender2070why would you need to reprogram the biosJun 11 05:19
cubezzzyou can put the kernel on the flash chipJun 11 05:20
ender2070whyJun 11 05:20
cubezzzfaster startup timeJun 11 05:20
ender2070then you have to put a tiny one on with no softwareJun 11 05:20
ender2070so you're gonna buy shittier hardware to boot 2 seconds faster?Jun 11 05:21
ender2070lolJun 11 05:21
ender2070i leave my pc on 24/7Jun 11 05:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @jza: Dell says #linux is safer than windows http://bit.ly/az1yumJun 11 05:21
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cubezzzthat's only your definition of "shitty" and it doesn't make any sense Jun 11 05:21
ender2070slower is shittyJun 11 05:21
cubezzzthe old hardware was better in a lot of waysJun 11 05:21
ender2070my cpu is like 3 years oldJun 11 05:21
ender2070no it isntJun 11 05:22
cubezzzok, then I guess you have to buy a new computer everytime something new comes out thenJun 11 05:22
cubezzzhave funJun 11 05:22
ender2070how long does your p3 take to encode a DVDJun 11 05:22
ender20702-3 hoursJun 11 05:23
ender2070oh no, 550mhzJun 11 05:23
ender2070probably 6 hoursJun 11 05:23
cubezzzit doesn't, it's my server remember?Jun 11 05:23
cubezzzI have other computers as wellJun 11 05:23
cubezzzits really immaterialJun 11 05:24
ender2070not reallyJun 11 05:24
ender2070you just happen to not really use your computersJun 11 05:24
ender2070i know someone who got 8 years out of a cyrix 133mhz pc with win98 because all they needed was mircJun 11 05:25
ender2070you mention compiling software, a fast cpu always makes it take less timeJun 11 05:26
cubezzzcompiling ncurses programs doesn't take very longJun 11 05:26
ender2070no but i bet you wont compile firefox unless you plan a dayJun 11 05:26
ender2070lolJun 11 05:26
cubezzzthat's right, and that's why I wouldn't do thatJun 11 05:27
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ender2070firefox is insane for compilingJun 11 05:27
ender2070even my quad core took a few hoursJun 11 05:27
cubezzzyou really should talk to the coreboot guysJun 11 05:29
cubezzzthey're extremely knowledgeableJun 11 05:29
ender2070depends on how low level I care aboutJun 11 05:29
cubezzzwell if you don't care, you don'tJun 11 05:30
ender2070my bios hardly sees the light of dayJun 11 05:30
cubezzzsomeone could say "who cares about Linux" right?Jun 11 05:31
cubezzzbut you know that wouldn't be a good ideaJun 11 05:31
ender2070like i said thoughJun 11 05:31
ender2070its the same as hard drive firmware or video card firmwareJun 11 05:31
ender2070not everyone wants to program everything in their pcJun 11 05:31
cubezzzof course notJun 11 05:31
ender2070someone might want to program their firmware to beep when it hits a bad sectorJun 11 05:32
cubezzzI can't even think of a reason why I would want to change the firmware on a hard driveJun 11 05:32
ender2070lolJun 11 05:32
cubezzzit's a straw man argumentJun 11 05:32
ender2070same with biosJun 11 05:32
cubezzzno, I want to know what it doesJun 11 05:33
cubezzzand the coreboot people can help meJun 11 05:33
cubezzzthat's not true for hard drive firmwareJun 11 05:33
ender2070yes it isJun 11 05:33
ender2070someone might want to knowJun 11 05:33
cubezzzcoreboot I know will workJun 11 05:33
cubezzzthe other I wouldn't even know where to startJun 11 05:34
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cubezzztherefore I'll save that for later Jun 11 05:34
ender2070even with coreboot you still have to load your other OSJun 11 05:34
cubezzzI've learned a lot from corebootJun 11 05:35
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DaemonFC:)Jun 11 05:36
cubezzzflashrom is a FOSS bios read/write utilityJun 11 05:36
ender2070gonna flash ur clock too?Jun 11 05:37
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cubezzzclose to 30 years ago people asked me "why do you program in assembler?"Jun 11 05:37
cubezzzmy clock?Jun 11 05:38
ender2070you answerJun 11 05:38
cubezzzbecause it's the only way to solve certain problemsJun 11 05:38
ender2070"if you have to ask that you need to quit or drop out right now"Jun 11 05:38
cubezzzyou couldn't write games in that era in a high level languageJun 11 05:39
ender2070yeah but its just a biosJun 11 05:39
ender2070if you leave your computer on you never encounter itJun 11 05:39
ender2070the OS is the more interesting partJun 11 05:40
cubezzzender2070, I had to get into the bios yesterday to set the parallel port modeJun 11 05:40
cubezzzotherwise PLIP wouldn't workJun 11 05:40
ender2070okJun 11 05:40
cubezzzit had to be using "bidirectional" modeJun 11 05:41
ender2070do you need to do that how often per day?Jun 11 05:41
cubezzzprobably a few times per year, but that's because it's a serverJun 11 05:42
cubezzzI don't like to reboot the serverJun 11 05:42
ender2070also most motherboards that still have a parallel port default to bidirectional, and no non-bidirectional cables have been made in over a decadeJun 11 05:42
cubezzzit was on "normal" and I have no idea what that meansJun 11 05:43
cubezzzI just know it didn't communicate Jun 11 05:43
ender2070thats extremely rareJun 11 05:43
cubezzzanother example..Jun 11 05:43
ender2070which was the pointJun 11 05:43
ender2070you only go into it to change something, occasionallyJun 11 05:43
cubezzzI have a network card with BNC and RJ45 connectorsJun 11 05:43
cubezzzthe eprom had to be reprogrammed on it to use RJ45Jun 11 05:44
cubezzzinstead of the BNC connectorJun 11 05:44
ender2070thats stupidJun 11 05:44
ender2070shitty cardJun 11 05:44
cubezzzwell I didn't program it :)Jun 11 05:44
ender2070i have a bunch of 3coms that Just-Work(TM)Jun 11 05:44
ender2070either wayJun 11 05:45
cubezzzI have to do legacy stuff at workJun 11 05:45
cubezzzpart of the jobJun 11 05:45
ender2070yeahJun 11 05:45
ender2070you like legacy stuffJun 11 05:45
ender2070i hate itJun 11 05:45
cubezzzyou know what else? :)Jun 11 05:45
cubezzzI have to work with 1970's studers :)Jun 11 05:45
ender2070i know that the stuff thats out is obsoleteJun 11 05:45
cubezzzthey are huge audio tape recording machinesJun 11 05:45
ender2070all the really cool computer stuff is in the hands of the militaryJun 11 05:46
cubezzzso does that mean your comupter is shitty too? :)Jun 11 05:46
ender2070we get their obsolete toysJun 11 05:46
ender2070certainlyJun 11 05:46
ender2070i need a 6 coreJun 11 05:46
ender2070$200 now :)Jun 11 05:46
ender2070magic price pointJun 11 05:46
cubezzzyou make it sound like I work in a 50's era computer plantJun 11 05:46
cubezzzhow old should a computer last?Jun 11 05:47
ender20703 yearsJun 11 05:47
cubezzzhow long should a computer last ratherJun 11 05:47
cubezzzso after 3 years you expect it to break down?Jun 11 05:47
ender2070i expect at least 3 years out of my equipmentJun 11 05:48
ender2070before I have to replace anythingJun 11 05:48
ender2070i have a magic price point I go by thoughJun 11 05:48
cubezzzI'm sure you would want your monitor to last more than 3 years yes?Jun 11 05:48
ender2070I upgrade when I can get a really good cpu for $200 and a really good motherboard for under $200Jun 11 05:48
ender2070and i do this a few years after an upgradeJun 11 05:49
cubezzzand what about an HDTV? :)Jun 11 05:49
ender2070nahJun 11 05:49
ender2070i hate tvJun 11 05:49
cubezzzI'm sure you would be pissed if your HDTV broke after 3 yearsJun 11 05:49
cubezzzok, thenJun 11 05:50
ender2070when i do this, i always have a decent enough server to take spare parts from my previous main machineJun 11 05:50
cubezzzI hope you don't subscribe to rogers cable :)Jun 11 05:50
DaemonFCI'm still waiting on the PSA where they encourage you to buy cigarettes because of the taxes, but then throw them away so you don't get sick and cost Medicare money laterJun 11 05:50
ender2070nopeJun 11 05:50
ender2070i watch tv online, a few showsJun 11 05:51
ender2070its mind altering so I try to avoid itJun 11 05:51
cubezzzok, ender2070 what about tessier's idea of the relay computer?Jun 11 05:51
cubezzzcrazy or good?Jun 11 05:51
ender2070it sounds crazyJun 11 05:52
ender2070i want a quantum cpuJun 11 05:52
cubezzzyeah TV is mostly junk, wow we agree on somethingJun 11 05:52
ender2070they started putting behavior placement in shows, nothing is safeJun 11 05:52
ender2070cutting out the commercials isnt enough anymoreJun 11 05:52
cubezzzI admit this linux 2.2 project is a bit crazyJun 11 05:53
ender2070not to mention the old fasioned produce placementJun 11 05:53
ender2070making a huge comeback because of tivoJun 11 05:53
cubezzzthat's about my limitJun 11 05:53
ender2070product*Jun 11 05:53
ender2070lol produce placementJun 11 05:54
ender2070'where did this orange come from?' 'it came from FLORIDA! where the ripest oranges come from!'Jun 11 05:54
DaemonFCBender: "...and even though the omputer was turned off and unplugged, a single image stayed on the screen. It was....THE WINDOWS LOGO!!!!" Fry: "That's not scary!" Bender: "It is if you're a laser printer!"Jun 11 05:54
DaemonFC:DJun 11 05:54
cubezzzhaha, that Canadian guy did something like thatJun 11 05:55
ender2070lolJun 11 05:55
ender2070why dont you maintain 2.2 and backport from 2.4 and 2.6Jun 11 05:55
ender2070and backport BFSJun 11 05:55
ender2070i know you want toJun 11 05:56
cubezzzno noJun 11 05:56
ender2070the voices in your head agree with meJun 11 05:56
ender2070do itJun 11 05:56
cubezzzit's an accident that I'm even working on 2.2Jun 11 05:56
ender2070is it an experiment to see if code can get dusty?Jun 11 05:56
cubezzzI wanted Linux on the 486, and I succeeded :)Jun 11 05:56
ender2070redhat 5.2?Jun 11 05:57
cubezzzI also looked at PDP-11 Unix codeJun 11 05:57
cubezzzno, it's basic linux which is based on slackware 4.0Jun 11 05:57
ender2070why not just use slackware 4Jun 11 05:57
ender2070its awesomeJun 11 05:57
cubezzzno cdrom :)Jun 11 05:57
ender2070it came on a million floppies too I thinkJun 11 05:58
cubezzzDonald Sutherland is the guy I was thinking of doing orange juice commericalsJun 11 05:58
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printer_steganographyJun 11 05:59
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ender2070mmmm steganographyJun 11 05:59
cubezzzI actually used Linux all the way back to 1994Jun 11 05:59
cubezzzbut I foolishly stopped for a whileJun 11 05:59
ender2070what did you useJun 11 05:59
ender2070when u stoppedJun 11 05:59
DaemonFChttp://w2.eff.org/Privacy/printers/docucolor/Jun 11 06:00
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cubezzzDarkstar 0.94Jun 11 06:00
cubezzzstopped when win95 came out :-/Jun 11 06:00
ender2070ewwJun 11 06:01
ender2070what a switchJun 11 06:01
ender2070lolJun 11 06:01
cubezzzyes, it was a bad moveJun 11 06:01
ender2070i didnt even know about linuxJun 11 06:01
ender2070till 99Jun 11 06:01
cubezzzthat's when slackware 4 came out :)Jun 11 06:01
ender2070redhat 5.x tooJun 11 06:02
ender2070saw the two of them in toronto computesJun 11 06:02
cubezzzah I remember thatJun 11 06:02
ender2070i remember being amazed the software didnt cost moneyJun 11 06:03
cubezzzis that still going?Jun 11 06:03
ender2070nahJun 11 06:03
cubezzzhttp://www.onlinux.ca/Jun 11 06:05
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ender2070cool stuffJun 11 06:06
ender2070hmm im boredJun 11 06:07
ender2070i want to try another os todayJun 11 06:07
cubezzz"so how do you guys feel about 2.2" ;-)Jun 11 06:07
ender2070any suggestionsJun 11 06:07
cubezzzj/kJun 11 06:07
cubezzzHaiku? AROS?Jun 11 06:07
ender2070maybe haikuJun 11 06:08
cubezzzI'm curious about Menuet32 v0.85Jun 11 06:08
cubezzzhaiku is actually betterJun 11 06:09
DaemonFCMenuet64 is proprietaryJun 11 06:11
ender2070yeah i would only want 64Jun 11 06:12
ender2070if you install something like netbsd or openbsd, theres no ati or nvidia drivers whatsoeverJun 11 06:13
ender2070i dont know if ati has anything for solaris or freebsd, nvidia doesJun 11 06:14
ender2070intel works on all of them iircJun 11 06:14
cubezzzfreebsd has the radeon driver Jun 11 06:14
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon#FreeBSDJun 11 06:14
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ender2070the new one?Jun 11 06:15
cubezzzdon't knowJun 11 06:15
cubezzzall my experience is Fedora 10 with radeonJun 11 06:16
ender2070ahhhJun 11 06:18
ender2070i like openbsdJun 11 06:18
ender2070its very lightJun 11 06:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Wat betekent de gigantische overwinning van de PVV nu voor Limburg? #durftevragenJun 11 06:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Limburg heeft unaniem een signaal gegeven, vrees echter dat het volledig zal worden genegeerd :-(Jun 11 06:31
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cubezzz30k per second :-/Jun 11 07:24
cubezzzwell that will have to doJun 11 07:24
cubezzzI'm sure DOS is faster Jun 11 07:25
cubezzzmd5sum values check outJun 11 07:25
cubezzzwould have thought the parallel port would be faster than that thoughJun 11 07:26
schestowitz30mb per second?Jun 11 07:48
schestowitz:-)Jun 11 07:48
schestowitzUse infiniband?Jun 11 07:48
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cubezzzthis is networking via the parallel portJun 11 08:03
cubezzzyeah it basically is slowJun 11 08:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] VP8 vs. H.264 - mutually assured destruction http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2010/5/22/16453/1236Jun 11 08:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Most impressed with Ricoh and their printer driver for linux. It just works - full colours no hassles.Jun 11 08:09
ender2070I found my gamecubeJun 11 08:09
ender2070yayJun 11 08:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why IDG is The Fox News of IT http://ur1.ca/06s64 Someone suggested that this issue should be exploredJun 11 08:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] WIPO study on the public domain published - http://bit.ly/aubOU4 good to see public domain getting a little more love #wipo #publicdomainJun 11 08:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] iPhone manufacturer to shutter China factories - http://bit.ly/bsv7oF 800,000 unemployed? that won't go down too well? #chinaJun 11 08:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Timberwolf, Firefox for AmigaOS, lives! - http://bit.ly/a1f1ms only open source does this #firefox #amigaJun 11 08:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facing a freeze - http://bit.ly/arNVFy is Greenland turning into an environmental villain? first whales, now oil.. #greenlandJun 11 08:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #xauth solves none of the real problems with #oauth. snce «you still use your [oauth] authorised tokens to interact with the API» #bullshitJun 11 08:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #xauth, just as #oauth, is bullshit security for client applications.Jun 11 08:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] there is large disagreement whether „software” can be patented at all http://ur1.ca/06s9qJun 11 08:34
schestowitzThe 2010 Mozilla T-shirt is here!http://profy.com/2010/06/07/every-russian-citizen-official-email-account/Jun 11 08:39
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schestowitzI reckon they want to spy on mail account instead of Yahoo!/GoogleJun 11 08:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Florian Muller at LinuxTag today: the proposed European patent reform and its impact on software patents http://ur1.ca/06satJun 11 08:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @sandersch: Stewart Rules: Novell Wins! CASE CLOSED! http://groklaw.net/ #Linux The door has slammed shut on the SCO litigation machine.Jun 11 08:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] For every Transformational work, if you don't get pushback, you are not doing any transformations.Jun 11 08:51
schestowitzRussia turns children to cultists: http://profy.com/2010/06/08/moscow-schools-promote-usage-of-apple/Jun 11 09:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Red Hat has a "Senior Vice President of People and Brand at Red Hat"? - http://bit.ly/cNETL0 #pr #fail #perceptionmanagementJun 11 09:08
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schestowitzElsevier  is corrupt, it deserves to go bustJun 11 09:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody but Elsevier is corrupt, it deserves to go bustJun 11 09:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz well, I prefer to convert rather than burn at the stake where possible...Jun 11 09:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Music In Real Time: Keep Up Or Get Left Behind - http://bit.ly/bhiSJi great analysis: how music now is about "doing everything in real time"Jun 11 09:18
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ender2070bbbbssssddddJun 11 09:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] RT @jwildeboer ♺ @sandersch: Stewart Rules: Novell Wins! CASE CLOSED! http://groklaw.net/ #Linux The door has slammed shut on the SCO l ...Jun 11 09:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Has the internet killed local music scenes? - http://bit.ly/b5YleP no, absurd licensing regimes have #copyright #musicJun 11 09:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @trondau: V3.co.uk: Kroes gives backing for open standards http://tinyurl.com/37tavh3 #OFEsummitJun 11 09:26
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/us_and_canada/10209213.stmJun 11 09:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] My take on the FSF action against Apple over GNU Go - http://bit.ly/aOUSgi Harald Welte's interesting analysis #fsf #appleJun 11 09:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody another option is to expose the bad behaviour so that the backlash lead to changed behaviourJun 11 09:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz yes, sunlight is goodJun 11 09:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Hmm, seems bit.ly have implmented some 'useful' feature to automatically add links to clipboard. Fails in Chrome here.Jun 11 09:31
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YfrwlfStores make/save money by selling Windows, and thus only want to sell Windows, and also get additional perks for only selling Windows.Jun 11 09:34
YfrwlfThus, the only way to beat Windows is if consumers demand otherwise, or non-Windows computers are cheaper.Jun 11 09:35
schestowitzThe COmmission needs to respondJun 11 09:36
schestowitzAs it did re Web browsersJun 11 09:36
YfrwlfSince the hardware makers have mostly monopolized at least the U.S. market, they will always be able to offer cheaper deals.  My point: the real enemy to desktop Linux is not just Microsoft's monopoly, but monopolies in general, in particular retail and hardware manufacturer monopolies.Jun 11 09:37
schestowitzChannelsJun 11 09:38
YfrwlfyesJun 11 09:38
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YfrwlfJust had to get that off my chest. ^^Jun 11 09:38
YfrwlfIt's extremely frustrating looking for a laptop without Windows though, let me tell you.Jun 11 09:39
YfrwlfUsually you will end up paying a LOT more for Linux computers.Jun 11 09:40
YfrwlfYou could call it not a Microsoft tax, though that is part of it, but an indirect monopoly tax in general.Jun 11 09:41
YfrwlfSo either way you're hosed.Jun 11 09:41
YfrwlfIt's no wonder most Linux users buy computers with Windows and then install Linux on them, even though they are paying for the Windows license.Jun 11 09:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Qt 4.7 Beta & Qt Creator 2.0 Release Candidate - http://bit.ly/azXwlZ available under GNU LGPL version 2.1 #qt #nokiaJun 11 09:43
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YfrwlfBecause remember, a naked PC is cold, lonely, and unhappy without Windows to warm it up.Jun 11 09:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just seen @ebuyer deal of the day. Windows 7, 83GBP. People pay that much _just_ for an OS!? Blimey.Jun 11 09:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] My high school German class did not prepare me this: T-shirt with vulgar pun on the city name "Dortmund".Jun 11 09:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @glynmoody: My take on the FSF action against Apple over GNU Go - http://bit.ly/aOUSgi Harald Welte's interesting analysis #fsf #appleJun 11 09:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @popey it's more than the cost of acquisitionJun 11 10:12
schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-e-reader-maker-irex-files-for-bankruptcy/Jun 11 10:13
schestowitz:-(Jun 11 10:13
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schestowitzThey used LinuxJun 11 10:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @glynmoody: My take on the FSF action against Apple over GNU Go - http://bit.ly/aOUSgi Harald Welte's interesting analysis #fsf #appleJun 11 10:13
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schestowitzhttp://paidcontent.org/article/419-linden-lab-cuts-30-percent-of-staff/Jun 11 10:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google produces some more hype, no algo details http://ur1.ca/06st2Jun 11 10:16
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schestowitzhttp://edition.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/06/08/video.game.movies/Jun 11 10:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why No Billion-Dollar Open Source Companies? - http://bit.ly/cZEXie it's a sign of #opensource's success, not its failure #businessmodelsJun 11 10:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] My talk on the mutual advantage of open source/open standards starts in 30 minutes in Europa 2. #LinuxTagJun 11 10:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @StopActaNow "The Pirate Bay has stolen about 46 times more $ than actually exist on Earth" - #RIAA http://is.gd/ckYxHJun 11 10:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Love gmail. Select all, click archive, Inbox Zero achieved! :)Jun 11 10:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Twitter is IRC over HTTP. We still have the original." http://ur1.ca/06oit >possible to do bothJun 11 11:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @umairh >10% of british pension funding is investment in...bp. we build the economy every day, with each choice we make. >>ouchJun 11 11:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @mikkohypponen: Finland is starting to prepare a new law, making it explicitly legal to go online via somebody else's open Wi-Fi hotspot.Jun 11 11:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF faces some alienation from people who oppose constructive criticism. http://ur1.ca/06t9q #obedience #prJun 11 11:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] "Holistic Clinic for women - modern, natural & complimentary healthcare" - run away!!Jun 11 11:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back in to work...having to leave early, different venue today.Jun 11 11:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz you'll possibly like my comments there...Jun 11 11:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] ♻ @sandersch @jargon RD: RIP Zenani Mandela http://is.gd/cL6CA #wc2010 Nelson Mandela not at the opening :-( Condolences Mr MandelaJun 11 11:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] New blog post: Yes, it's you. But only you... http://blog.1407.org/2010/06/11/yes-its-you-but-only-you/Jun 11 12:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Smart saying [IMG]: http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6196/abload1272033312140dwb3.jpgJun 11 12:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra excellent, thank you. I will mention this laterJun 11 12:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] New blog post: Twitter is wrong: should not drop httpS basic auth http://ur1.ca/06tnoJun 11 12:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Valencia's perfect reflection [pic] http://ff.im/lRck2Jun 11 12:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mind_booster: "Thom Yorke: Don’t sign to a major label, they’re dying, Radiohead singer warns young musicians" http://ff.im/lR9UdJun 11 13:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Quase adiro ao Facebook por isto ♺ @31daSarrafada: Quase 1500 já aderiram ao Grupo "GALP! Ponham a vuvuzela no Recto!" http://bit.ly/bCXr0XJun 11 13:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] No #Porto ♺ @BUGabundo: [HackLaViva] Privacidade nas nuvens — Sábado 12 de Junho, 21:30 #hacklaviva http://post.ly/j9mmJun 11 13:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] And so starts another day......there will be no chance for Twitter....Jun 11 13:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://live.lmgtfy.com/ Awesome. Via @cmsjJun 11 14:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Lol "Soccer," said the late Jack Kemp, a former NFL quarterback and conservative congressman, "is a European socialist sport." #worldcupJun 11 14:03
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Clean Air Act is already under attack again? Tell your Senator to protect the Clean Air Act: http://bit.ly/ag5vFpJun 11 14:09
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Agent-SmithGood morning folksJun 11 14:24
Agent-SmithIs Mr. Schestowitz around ???Jun 11 14:24
schestowitzHeyJun 11 14:25
Agent-SmithHi there Mr. SchestowitzJun 11 14:25
schestowitzRed Hat is not buiying NovellJun 11 14:25
Agent-SmithAhhhJun 11 14:25
Agent-SmithOkJun 11 14:25
schestowitzYou gave exposure to Red FUDJun 11 14:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Bye bye 64-bit support for Flash on Linux. http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.htmlJun 11 14:25
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schestowitzI wrote about that twiceJun 11 14:25
Agent-SmithIt was exactlyJun 11 14:25
Agent-SmithWhat I was going to askJun 11 14:25
Agent-SmithHum HumJun 11 14:25
Agent-SmithOkJun 11 14:25
Agent-SmithWell, I read that article and it sure did raise my eyebrowsJun 11 14:26
Agent-SmithWhen things like these pop up, I like to bring them here, so we can discuss the veracity of the "facts"...Jun 11 14:27
Agent-SmithBut, it would be cool... If RH takes over Novell, the M$ pact is ashes...Jun 11 14:28
Agent-Smith;-)Jun 11 14:28
schestowitzCorrect that writerJun 11 14:28
schestowitzIn PortugueseJun 11 14:28
schestowitzSo that other people don't get confusedJun 11 14:28
Agent-SmithHum HumJun 11 14:28
Agent-SmithOkJun 11 14:28
Agent-SmithI willJun 11 14:28
Agent-SmithWell, got to go nowJun 11 14:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mjray: @ruiseabra @support that javascript auto-focus SUCKS and had me too! Either focus when the field appears or not at all, please.Jun 11 14:29
Agent-SmithNice to be with all of you once againJun 11 14:29
Agent-SmithByeJun 11 14:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] At BRU. Checking in with my transnational ID CardJun 11 15:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Pentagon manhunt for @wikileaks founder http://is.gd/cLuIu How to tell you're doing REAL journalism. Give them money. http://is.gd/cLuQ1Jun 11 15:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've just listened to the FLOSS Weekly interview I did for the first time ever (first time that I listen to it). It was more like an ambush.Jun 11 15:30
schestowitzzoobab: ACKJun 11 15:34
schestowitzAny news?Jun 11 15:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why GNU/Linux is Unmatched – and Unmatchable - http://bit.ly/btaLOj it all comes down to the Master's thesis of Linus #linux #linusJun 11 15:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] Sweet! RCTI.TV's live broadcast of world cup is in English! Cool. #fb http://ur1.ca/06v3eJun 11 15:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Two BI Companies Say: Two's Company - http://bit.ly/cZNE2I it's not always a single market leader in open source #bi #jaspersoft #pentahoJun 11 16:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://bit.ly/a5iGsL Creationism is "a very narrow religious view". :DJun 11 16:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Survey of #GNU #Linux Options for an Enterprise, Reasons to Dump #Windows for GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/06vcc http://ur1.ca/06vcdJun 11 16:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Thoughts on How to Contribute to #GNU #Linux Without Just Writing Code http://ur1.ca/06vco http://ur1.ca/06vcpJun 11 16:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Mainstream News Coverage About #GNU #Linux at Schools, "Linux Against Poverty" Collects PC http://ur1.ca/06vdm http://sxsw.com/node/5024Jun 11 16:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Indian Press Covers Software Freedom and #Linux http://ur1.ca/06vet (MSIE or Netscape Only to Web Visitors With/out JS)Jun 11 16:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Owing to Devices, #Linux is Winning the Operating Systems Competition http://ur1.ca/06vfq http://ur1.ca/06vfsJun 11 16:22
TechrightsTitle: For Linux, untapped opportunities are huge - Latest IT News, Computer vendors in India, IT Blogs, IT industry in India : Latest IT News .::. Size~: 83.54 KBJun 11 16:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] If it wasn't unethical, I'd just discretionally block the world cup from the company proxy. Unethical colleagues screaming about it. GrrrJun 11 16:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Publicly States That #GNU #Linux is More Secure Than #Windows http://ur1.ca/06vib http://ur1.ca/06vicJun 11 16:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Donate Your Old Computer To Linux Against Poverty http://mobile.austinist.com/2010/06/08/donate_your_old_computer_to_linux_a.phpJun 11 16:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Grabs #Microsoft Proponents Who Want More Power http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/62180Jun 11 16:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] BTW - ZAF v MEX is 1:0 ATM! 15 min to go. #worldcupJun 11 16:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Now its 1:1 - South Africa v Mexico at #worldcup.Jun 11 16:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ciena: Part of Network Management Middleware Becomes #FreeSoftware (GPLv3) http://ur1.ca/06vng http://ur1.ca/06vniJun 11 16:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Heap of New #GNU #Linux Audiocasts: Full Circle, Linux Link Tech Show... http://ur1.ca/06vpc http://ur1.ca/06vpdJun 11 16:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Episodes (Audiocasts) of #KDE and #LE show too http://webbaverse.com/uncategorized/kdemu-0x0004 http://linuxoutlaws.com/podcast/154Jun 11 16:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux Audiocasts http://ur1.ca/06vpz http://ur1.ca/06vq0 http://twit.tv/floss123 http://ur1.ca/0661sJun 11 16:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Public Data are so good that it's hard to start explaining why - http://bit.ly/bzgbKt intriguing title, interesting post #opendataJun 11 17:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Forgive my ignorance. Why is porting 32bit apps (flash on Linux ) so incredibly hard? Open. Source devs have been doing this for years?Jun 11 17:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Drumbeat Festival 2010: Learning, freedom and the web - http://bit.ly/cFd79d "Who? Inventors. Learners. Hackers. Teachers. Artists. You!"Jun 11 17:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] ...to 64bit I should have addedJun 11 17:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The world's most unusual outsourcing destination - http://bit.ly/9k4Wk3 you guessed it: North Korea (yes, they do GNU/Linux) #northkoreaJun 11 17:24
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DaemonFChttp://www.informationweek.com/news/infrastructure/remote_access/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225600410&subSection=InfrastructureJun 11 17:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Reclaiming our Scholarship: tribute to Vitek Tracz and BMC - http://bit.ly/9GpXTY I had lunch with Tracz once; alas, b4 I knew who he wasJun 11 17:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Boarding #LX783 from #BRU to #ZRH and after that to #MUC.Jun 11 17:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Redefining the Life Well-Lived: Plenitude, Abundance and Sharing - http://bit.ly/91d6Zz nice #sharingJun 11 17:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Modifications to Mozilla Public License: Join the Party and Comment! - http://bit.ly/9HTmoo an offer you can't refuse #mozilla #licensingJun 11 17:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Goatse analyst explains AT&T data breach - http://bit.ly/asL3tj er, c|net, have you really thought that headline through? just askin'...Jun 11 17:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is Soccer Un-American? - http://bit.ly/ajnuLV hilarious #footballJun 11 17:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] EU governments wary of GM crop overhaul plans - http://bit.ly/cGEZO3 so that's govts and the public against: who's in favour, then?Jun 11 17:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Independent App Stores Take on Google’s Android Market - http://bit.ly/anU3Gv important move - and another reason Android's betterJun 11 17:53
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asdf_Hi guys, did you notice that buntu sold you now too? http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/39723-ubuntu-apes-novell-in-ip-scare-campaignJun 11 17:54
asdf_s/you/out/Jun 11 17:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] HP acquires Linux fast-boot technology - http://bit.ly/aSgP4C interesting move #hp #linux #bootingJun 11 17:54
asdf_IOW, can we see boycottubuntu.com now soon?Jun 11 17:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] FDA to regulate genetic tests as medical devices - http://bit.ly/cWe8pN pigeons, meet cat #genetics #fdaJun 11 17:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 10,000 Peasants March against Monsanto in Haiti - http://bit.ly/9QiIMl wow: "the next earthquake for Haiti" – 475 tons of hybrid seedsJun 11 18:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical Says #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Deployed on 220,000 Desktops in #Andalusia Schools http://ur1.ca/06da4Jun 11 18:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Themes and #GRUB Menu With #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Flavour, Mockups http://ur1.ca/06wfw http://ur1.ca/06mr5 http://ur1.ca/06wfxJun 11 18:12
ender2070asdf_ sounds goodJun 11 18:21
ender2070though, should be boycottcanonical :)Jun 11 18:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Dives Deeper Into #Linux With Another Acquisition http://ur1.ca/06wi2 http://ur1.ca/06wi3Jun 11 18:22
ender2070I might mention this on pwnage.caJun 11 18:23
asdf_\o/Jun 11 18:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Stresses That It's Committed to #Linux #Phones http://ur1.ca/06win http://ur1.ca/06jkyJun 11 18:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Marvell Brings #Linux to 4Home http://ur1.ca/06jl0Jun 11 18:26
ender2070I use Fedora anyways =)Jun 11 18:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @karsten: Proprietary technology is a waste of money, says Kroes http://ur1.ca/06whd My take on Kroes speech at #OFESummit #fsfeJun 11 18:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Invent Your Own Computer Games with Python - read online (CC book) - http://inventwithpython.com/chapters/Jun 11 18:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's #Linux -based #N900 Expands http://ur1.ca/06ly3 http://ur1.ca/06wkq http://ur1.ca/06wkrJun 11 18:36
MinceRi'm going to switch away from *ubuntu soon anywayJun 11 18:48
ender2070pwnage.ca is moving off ubuntu serverJun 11 18:54
ender2070tired of canonical being douches, i dont want to boost their numbersJun 11 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] In ZRH. Now #boarding LX3626 from #ZRH to #MUCJun 11 18:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Looking forward to meet @afromusing and @georgzoche even if just for a short and late time.Jun 11 19:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Brussels was ewxceptional experience. Neelie Kroes fighting for open and against proprietary IT - priceless.Jun 11 19:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Measuring Free Software Skills; Operations Management at Oxford University Speaks About FOSS http://ur1.ca/06wuo? http://ur1.ca/06wupJun 11 19:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Greetz to all my friends at #LinuxTag - make it a good one! I will not be there this time.Jun 11 19:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Assessed from Financial Perspective http://ur1.ca/06wwc http://ur1.ca/06wwe http://ur1.ca/06wwfJun 11 19:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @mkapor: Judge pounds final nail in coffin of SCO/Novell suit http://bit.ly/cgZX0H Linux lives. SCO stock at 5 cents. Ha!Jun 11 19:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Wow, I just had the misfortune to meet an OAP who should be on an ASBO.Jun 11 19:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] .@mkapor This appears to be an order of the trial court. I wonder if SCO will appeal? http://bit.ly/cgZX0HJun 11 19:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Independent App Stores Take on Google’s Android Market http://bit.ly/anU3Gv another reason Android's betterJun 11 19:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #LLDB , Helping Open Source Projects Grow http://ur1.ca/06x1c http://ur1.ca/06x1fJun 11 19:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FSF Defended by Harald Welte http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/2010/06/11/#20100611-apple_go_gpl_distributionJun 11 19:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #Malta and Scottish Parliament Make Some Pushes for #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/06x2y http://ur1.ca/06x33Jun 11 19:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Project Release of #Lightworks as #FreeSoftware http://www.muktware.com/news/09/2010/169Jun 11 19:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EU Commission Starts Pushing for Software Freedom http://ur1.ca/06x3j http://ur1.ca/06x3k http://ur1.ca/06x3mJun 11 19:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Let's fly to MUC! Tired but very satisfied.Jun 11 19:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Proprietary technology is a waste of money, says Kroes - http://bit.ly/bYEFhi useful analysis #openstandards #eu #digitalagendaJun 11 19:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Chrome OS Is All About the Ads - http://bit.ly/dxxH3z yeah, that makes sense #chromeos #googleJun 11 19:42
DaemonFCI got my DCC file server script up and running, now I can pass out Windows cracks in Warez channels that are really decompression bombsJun 11 19:46
DaemonFCweeeeJun 11 19:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #India is Still Fighting for the World Against the #ACTA Conspirators http://ur1.ca/06xa5 http://ur1.ca/06xa6Jun 11 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Rise And Fall Of The RIAA - http://bit.ly/9fLIDE just the facts (and graphs) #musicJun 11 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Turkish president uses Twitter to condemn YouTube ban. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/11/abdullah-gul-twitter-turkey-youtube-banJun 11 19:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Financial Times Looks To Put Its Blogs Behind Paywalls Too - http://bit.ly/bbIYwL no FT? no problem... #ft #paywalls #newspapersJun 11 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @waldyrious Fish Trek 2: It All Goes Downstream From Here http://ff.im/-lRTqA <-- time to kill everyone. Everyone.Jun 11 19:58
DaemonFCIt's usually the crap sites that try to paywall everythingJun 11 19:58
DaemonFCthe biggest benefit a paywall gives is to your competitorsJun 11 19:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Nature kerfuffle: Boycott the business model, not the price - http://bit.ly/b2Icf8 important point: this is a monopolyJun 11 20:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: The Rise And Fall Of The RIAA - http://bit.ly/9fLIDE just the facts (and graphs) #musicJun 11 20:09
DaemonFChttp://news.softpedia.com/news/Apple-Plugs-48-Security-Holes-in-Safari-5-Safari-4-1-144191.shtmlJun 11 20:17
DaemonFChehJun 11 20:17
MinceR...leaving how many? :>Jun 11 20:18
ender2070lolJun 11 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Finland To Legalize Use of Unsecured Wi-Fi - http://bit.ly/bsjOgH are we listening #deact people? #wifi #finland #ukJun 11 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I realised it is quite a while since I went directly to guardian technology section Linux and open source pages, reason is lack of coverageJun 11 20:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Back in MUC. Off to @georgzoche, hopefully with @afromusing ...Jun 11 20:33
MinceRhttp://mbvc.tumblr.com/post/686865020/twitter-in-1935Jun 11 20:34
ender2070Noobs!Jun 11 20:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #HP Uses #GNU #Linux to Compete Better http://ur1.ca/06xqjJun 11 20:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Acer Promises to Focus More on #GNU #Linux (Desktop) http://ur1.ca/06xql http://ur1.ca/06xqmJun 11 20:43
ender2070http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJrMdB3Hh5UJun 11 20:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I know France cheated and should not really be there (especially at Ireland's expense) but I still want them to do well #worldcupJun 11 20:52
schestowitz"Goatse analyst" *LOL* http://news.cnet.com/8301-30977_3-20007311-10347072.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20Jun 11 20:53
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schestowitzanal-ystJun 11 20:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Goatse analyst explains AT&T data breach - http://bit.ly/asL3tj er, c|net, have you really thought that headline through?Jun 11 20:54
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schestowitzender2070: not so far re UbuntuJun 11 21:02
schestowitzRed Hat has indemnification too and so does IBMJun 11 21:02
schestowitzWhat Canonical does here is bad, but not like Novell'sJun 11 21:02
MinceRdo they advertise it with FUD?Jun 11 21:02
MinceRoops, my badJun 11 21:03
MinceRcanonical says it's "an unlikely event" :)Jun 11 21:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody: Independent App Stores Take on Google’s Android Market http://bit.ly/anU3Gv another reason Android's betterJun 11 21:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I got my VPS.. setting up icecast server now ;)Jun 11 21:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I am not sure but I think the entire world trending is #worldcup based. Not a surprise.Jun 11 21:06
schestowitzMinceR: Sam goes hard on CanonicalJun 11 21:12
schestowitzI don't agree with him when he attacks UbuntuJun 11 21:13
schestowitzhe likes Debian and keeps going hard on Ubuntu, which is _RELATIVELY_ benignJun 11 21:13
DaemonFChmmmJun 11 21:13
DaemonFCFirefox nightlies have Direct2D and DirectWrite supportJun 11 21:14
DaemonFCmakes the text look like you're stonedJun 11 21:14
DaemonFCyayJun 11 21:14
DaemonFClooks like ClearType (AKA GlaucomaVision)Jun 11 21:14
MinceRlolJun 11 21:15
DaemonFC"- WebGL and D2D currently does not play nice with each other."Jun 11 21:15
DaemonFCthat's a shockJun 11 21:15
MinceRcleartype sucks but it sucks less than non-antialiased rendering on winblowsJun 11 21:15
MinceR(a.k.a. StaircaseVision)Jun 11 21:15
schestowitzBP oil and waterJun 11 21:15
MinceRwinblows is not ready for the desktop because it can't do font rendering properlyJun 11 21:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Examples of #GNU #Linux Success in #HPC http://ur1.ca/06xx7 http://ur1.ca/06xx9 http://ur1.ca/06xxcJun 11 21:16
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DaemonFCExcept now text in IE looks better than it does in FirefoxJun 11 21:17
DaemonFCIE 8 supports Direct2D and DirectWrite alreadyJun 11 21:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #GNU #Linux Players Target #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/06xx8 http://ur1.ca/06xxa http://ur1.ca/06xxdJun 11 21:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz What is the situation with Asus and their pact with the dark side?Jun 11 21:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera on the rocksJun 11 21:19
DaemonFChttp://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7987/27544576.pngJun 11 21:19
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DaemonFCCram-O-Vision (IE 8) vs. Glaucoma-Vision (Firefox)Jun 11 21:20
DaemonFCyayJun 11 21:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz :)Jun 11 21:21
DaemonFCmozilla.widget.render-mod set to -1 fixes the problemJun 11 21:22
DaemonFC:)Jun 11 21:22
*DaemonFC sets off to benchmark it with and without Direct2DJun 11 21:22
MinceRDaemonFC: Crap-O-Vision still bleeds colorsJun 11 21:24
MinceRespecially in the Posts/Joined/Location partJun 11 21:25
DaemonFCapparently the DirectWrite and Direct2D support is also possible on Vista with the Platform UpdateJun 11 21:26
DaemonFCeven though IE 8 doesn't use it with or without the updateJun 11 21:26
MinceRalso, ie8 breaks the page layoutJun 11 21:26
DaemonFCthe Vista Platform Update strongly suggests to me that there will be no Service Pack 3Jun 11 21:26
DaemonFCmeaning that anyone who wants to roll out a pre-patched Vista can only go so far as to slipstream SP2, then they have to deal with the Platform Update and about a million individual hotfixes after the image is deployedJun 11 21:27
DaemonFCmaking it a royal pain in the ass if you ever need to re-install more than one system :)Jun 11 21:28
MinceRif you admin winblows boxes, you're probably familiar with "royal pain in the ass" anywayJun 11 21:29
MinceRcan't you just do the PU and hotfixes once and make an image of it?Jun 11 21:29
DaemonFCyes and noJun 11 21:29
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DaemonFCyou're forgetting that there's activation and different hardware in different systemsJun 11 21:30
DaemonFCif you have 100 of the exact same system, then that might workJun 11 21:30
DaemonFC:DJun 11 21:30
MinceRlolJun 11 21:30
DaemonFCotherwise have fun with activation and the hardware driversJun 11 21:30
MinceRwhat happened to plug-and-pray?Jun 11 21:30
DaemonFCusually works if you have an internet connectionJun 11 21:31
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DaemonFCthe problem is that motherboards out since SP2 may or may not have ethernet functionalityJun 11 21:31
DaemonFCand probably don't have wifiJun 11 21:32
MinceR:>Jun 11 21:32
DaemonFCeach version of Windows at every service pack level is kind of frozen in timeJun 11 21:32
MinceRi guess all that bloat left no space on the HDD for driversJun 11 21:32
DaemonFCany hardware released later better have a driver discJun 11 21:32
DaemonFCThat's probably going to be the bulk of SP1 for Windows 7Jun 11 21:33
DaemonFCa smattering of new driversJun 11 21:33
DaemonFCMinceR, The problem really isn't bloat, it'll still fit on a DVD5 after all thatJun 11 21:34
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't think you fully appreciate the amount of sheer crap that they removed from VistaJun 11 21:35
DaemonFCthat's why Vista had no room left for any driversJun 11 21:35
MinceRi was pretending to assume that there's an actual reason (however) bad for winblows being so retardedJun 11 21:35
MinceRobviously i know that there's less reason to it than letting a dozen monkeys type out the source code on typewriters and distributing that as an OSJun 11 21:36
DaemonFCMinceR, They removed MS Agent for exampleJun 11 21:36
DaemonFC:DJun 11 21:36
MinceRno big loss thereJun 11 21:36
DaemonFCno search dog for you!Jun 11 21:36
MinceRoh noesJun 11 21:36
DaemonFCand they removed Windows Mail (Outlook Express)Jun 11 21:36
DaemonFCthere goes a few dozen megabytesJun 11 21:36
MinceRi won't have the search dog to console me for the search being just as slow as looking through the entire directory structure despite winblows claiming to have indexed it?Jun 11 21:37
DaemonFCand all the stuff like Movie Maker, Photo Gallery, Messenger, etc. are Windows Live pack nowJun 11 21:37
DaemonFCso they freed up a fair amount of space by offloading everything into "Windows Live"Jun 11 21:37
DaemonFCor just deleting it entirelyJun 11 21:37
DaemonFCMinceR, Actually, if you dig into the Turn Windows Features On or Off menu....Jun 11 21:38
DaemonFCthe old XP-style indexing service is thereJun 11 21:38
MinceRyayJun 11 21:38
DaemonFCif you turn it on, the Vista/7 one gets turned offJun 11 21:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @_Goblin Saw a kid in town today with a toy sonic screwdriver. Another generation is hooked.Jun 11 21:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Lawyer is Questioning the Definiteness of Death of the #SCO Case http://ur1.ca/06y13 #novell #unixJun 11 21:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera they were paid to promote WindowsJun 11 21:38
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MinceRwaste CPU time and energy for nothing!Jun 11 21:38
DaemonFCI know, I was wondering who the hell wanted that to stay aroungJun 11 21:38
DaemonFCthere must be a legacy program or two out there that depend on the sucky XP-style indexing serviceJun 11 21:39
MinceRlolJun 11 21:39
DaemonFCand fail if they can't use itJun 11 21:39
MinceRno differenceJun 11 21:39
MinceRthey'll fail even if they can use itJun 11 21:39
DaemonFCthe Vista/7 one is fasterJun 11 21:39
DaemonFCbut it's still very bloatedJun 11 21:39
DaemonFCyou can turn it off thoughJun 11 21:40
DaemonFCif  you want it to grind away at the hard disk whenever you need to find somethingJun 11 21:40
DaemonFC:DJun 11 21:40
DaemonFCor if you use Google Desktop Search, it'll turn off the Windows SearchJun 11 21:40
DaemonFCthere's actually an API for alternative browsers to hook into Windows SearchJun 11 21:41
DaemonFCit's just that most of them don't use itJun 11 21:41
DaemonFCFirefox doesn'tJun 11 21:41
MinceR(javascript) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/18/the-funniest-newspaper-co_n_503941.htmlJun 11 21:41
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DaemonFCCongratulations on pleasing 15 women in one dayJun 11 21:42
DaemonFCwe were all exhaustedJun 11 21:42
*DaemonFC falls out of his chairJun 11 21:42
DaemonFCcan you believe the paper actually printed that?Jun 11 21:43
DaemonFCDid nobody look it over?Jun 11 21:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] @schestowitz yes I know, I suspected that meant they were now missing out on developing markets and were wriggling to get off the hook.Jun 11 21:44
DaemonFCfined for prostitutionJun 11 21:44
DaemonFCshould have read failure to stop for a railroad crossingJun 11 21:45
DaemonFC:DJun 11 21:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @JMF1957: Um despacho que vale a pena ler, o do procurador de Aveiro. http://is.gd/cLTjG Finalmente tornado público.Jun 11 21:45
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DaemonFC2 tsp of cementJun 11 21:46
DaemonFCcrunchy salsaJun 11 21:46
DaemonFC:DJun 11 21:46
MinceR:>Jun 11 21:46
DaemonFCyour teeth will never forgive you for thisJun 11 21:46
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 21:46
DaemonFCa newborn and a burritoJun 11 21:48
DaemonFC:PJun 11 21:48
DaemonFCwas the burrito crying?Jun 11 21:49
DaemonFCin their defense, the contents of a Taco Bell chilli cheese burrito bears a striking resemblence to afterbirthJun 11 21:49
DaemonFCreally tasty afterbirthJun 11 21:49
DaemonFCMinceR, Direct2D accelerated WebMJun 11 21:54
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 21:54
DaemonFChehJun 11 21:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Mark Kermode is on a production line I am sure he does not want to watch half the films he has to.Jun 11 21:57
MinceRDaemonFC: ಠ_ಠJun 11 21:58
DaemonFCit worksJun 11 21:58
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gNiyJ905Ho0Ur96V2TQhsBX19lGwD9G99KBO0Jun 11 22:03
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DaemonFC"Quick!!! Go spend all your money on crap you don't need! Rent can wait!"Jun 11 22:03
DaemonFC:DJun 11 22:03
DaemonFC"Americans are pulling back on their spending, a trend that could slow the economic boom in China if it continues."Jun 11 22:04
DaemonFCfixed :DJun 11 22:04
DaemonFC"With nowhere left to earn a decent living, Americans are coming to the realization that they don't need a Margaritaville"Jun 11 22:04
DaemonFC"Credit got them by for a while, but now there is no way to buy the unneeded Margaritaville"Jun 11 22:05
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/VChE4?fullJun 11 22:06
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DaemonFC"With no way to buy the Margaritaville, the Margaritaville plant in Guangshongbing will have to close down, firing 1,000 workers that were close to committing suicide anyway with the onyl thing holding them back being the contract that Foxconn made them sign, promising not to."Jun 11 22:06
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 22:06
DaemonFCFoxconn CEO took a brief moment from counting his billions to provide us with the following comment, "No comment, now get your *$*%&@ news crew out of my office!"Jun 11 22:07
DaemonFC:DJun 11 22:08
MinceR"Don’t go to parties with metal detectors. Sure, it feels safe inside. But what about all those niggas waiting outside with guns? They know you ain’t got one." -- Chris RockJun 11 22:08
DaemonFCand there is no sex in the Champagne RoomJun 11 22:09
DaemonFC:PJun 11 22:09
*DaemonFC busts a cap in whitey MinceR's ass for repeating the 'every other thing' Last.FM plays for him latelyJun 11 22:10
DaemonFCGAH!!!!Jun 11 22:10
MinceRfail.Jun 11 22:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] First two #worldcup stadiums were beautiful, so how did Wembley manage to spend so much money and get a Slough industrial unit?Jun 11 22:10
DaemonFCLast.FM is fail;Jun 11 22:10
DaemonFCfirst the RIAA got greedy and took away most of the catalog that last.FM can playJun 11 22:11
DaemonFCthen Last.FM got greedy and encrypted their API to keep decent player software out unless you pay them moreJun 11 22:11
DaemonFC:DJun 11 22:11
DaemonFCit's toastJun 11 22:11
MinceRi've never used last.fmJun 11 22:12
MinceRdue to privacy concerns :>Jun 11 22:12
DaemonFCthey're not worth $6 a monthJun 11 22:12
DaemonFCmaybe they would have been if the RIAA didn't strip 3/4ths of the decent music they were playingJun 11 22:13
DaemonFCbut certainly not nowJun 11 22:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple is Finally Sharing… People’s Personal Data; Apple’s Lies and Freedom Hatred Take Their Toll http://ur1.ca/06y7aJun 11 22:13
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DaemonFCMinceR, It's like $25 a month for HBO and CinemaxJun 11 22:13
DaemonFC1990, maybeJun 11 22:13
DaemonFC2010, fuck noJun 11 22:13
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 22:13
DaemonFCif those movies were any older they'd be in the public domainJun 11 22:14
DaemonFCeven in the USJun 11 22:14
DaemonFC"premium channel" my assJun 11 22:14
DaemonFC:PJun 11 22:14
MinceRTMIJun 11 22:14
DaemonFCmmhmJun 11 22:14
DaemonFCgas station sales are one of the major drags on the economy?Jun 11 22:16
DaemonFCObama should print some money, hand it over to us, and pass a law that says we have to spent it on beef jerkyJun 11 22:17
DaemonFCthat should fix itJun 11 22:17
DaemonFC*spendJun 11 22:17
DaemonFCnothing like a centrally planned economy to perk things right upJun 11 22:18
DaemonFCMinceR, What should our beef jerky production output quota be this month, oh master?Jun 11 22:18
DaemonFC:DJun 11 22:18
MinceRdon't ask me, i hate centrally planned economyJun 11 22:20
MinceRremember, i live in a country the economy of which was wrecked by such a systemJun 11 22:20
DaemonFCyes, I was being sarcasticJun 11 22:20
DaemonFC:)Jun 11 22:20
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DaemonFCsomething worse than Communism that takes the worst parts of Free Market Capitalism tooJun 11 22:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Conservapedia justifies ripping off Creative Commons images by saying copyleft causes pornography problems o_0 http://is.gd/cLVykJun 11 22:21
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DaemonFCis how I'd describe where the US is headingJun 11 22:21
MinceRnobody implemented communismJun 11 22:22
DaemonFCin theory they didJun 11 22:22
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 22:22
MinceR"Communism is a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled, as well as a political philosophy and social movement that advocates and aims to create such a society.[1]Jun 11 22:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Foundation Pitches #GNU Linux in BusinessWeek and New Interview http://ur1.ca/06y88 http://ur1.ca/06y8aJun 11 22:22
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MinceRKarl Marx posited that communism would be the final stage in society, which would be achieved through a proletarian revolution and only possible after a transitional stage develops the productive forces, leading to a superabundance of goods and services.[2][3]"Jun 11 22:22
schestowitz[21:58] <MinceR> DaemonFC: ಠ_ಠJun 11 22:22
schestowitz:-)Jun 11 22:22
MinceRthat final stage was never reached and it could never be reached by the means put forth by the communistsJun 11 22:22
DaemonFCis that the part where we ditch the clothing and frolic in the Garden of Eden the state has given us?Jun 11 22:23
DaemonFC:DJun 11 22:23
MinceRno, it's anarcho-communismJun 11 22:24
DaemonFCso, the state dissolves itself, then Garden of EdenJun 11 22:24
DaemonFC?Jun 11 22:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Takes Better Position in #GNU #Linux World http://ur1.ca/06y87 http://ur1.ca/06y89 http://ur1.ca/06y8b http://ur1.ca/06y8cJun 11 22:24
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DaemonFCor state is overthrown and then Garden of Eden time?Jun 11 22:24
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MinceRno, the dictatorship magically gives up its powerJun 11 22:25
DaemonFCviolently overthrown followed by organized crime syndicates is what ended up being the Russian outcomeJun 11 22:25
DaemonFC:)Jun 11 22:25
MinceRbecause they like to do that, don't you knowJun 11 22:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.35 Adds Performance Changes to Improve #Kernel Space http://ur1.ca/06y8r ಠ_ಠJun 11 22:25
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DaemonFCDictators always give up power once utopia has been reachedJun 11 22:25
schestowitz"Tear down this Wall Street"Jun 11 22:25
DaemonFCeveryone knows thatJun 11 22:25
schestowitzI show my new smiley-fu ^^Jun 11 22:25
MinceRtoo bad utopia can't be reached until the dictatorship is overJun 11 22:26
MinceRso it's a deadlockJun 11 22:26
*DaemonFC sends MinceR for re-educationJun 11 22:26
DaemonFC:DJun 11 22:26
DaemonFCThe dictatorship IS utopia!Jun 11 22:26
DaemonFCbliss!Jun 11 22:26
*MinceR blasts and minces his way outJun 11 22:26
schestowitzblisterJun 11 22:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Funniest Newspaper Corrections Ever: Retracting The Ridiculous (PICTURES) http://ur1.ca/06y9eJun 11 22:27
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*DaemonFC puts some coffee onJun 11 22:28
DaemonFCThis coffee grown under dictatorial iron-fisted Colombian FairTrade(R)Jun 11 22:28
DaemonFC:DJun 11 22:28
DaemonFCFiarTrade is Newspeak if I'Jun 11 22:29
DaemonFC*if I've ever ehard anyJun 11 22:29
MinceRnewspeak doesn't do CamelCase :>Jun 11 22:29
DaemonFCthe coffee cartels figured out that if they continue mistreating the slaves and put a FairTrade sticker on it, we'll pay them more moneyJun 11 22:29
DaemonFCand feel good about ourselves :DJun 11 22:30
MinceRlying to yourself you're doing Good Things is the way of the megacorpsJun 11 22:30
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DaemonFCMinceR, I guess that's where Microsoft got the "Interoperability" "Linux Lab" and "Port 25" ideasJun 11 22:31
DaemonFCthey all reek of FairTrade to meJun 11 22:31
DaemonFCfeel good nonsense that help them perpetuate what they already were doing in the first placeJun 11 22:31
DaemonFC:)Jun 11 22:31
MinceRi don't know if FairTraders do the same thing as before or notJun 11 22:32
DaemonFCDear Valued Customer,Jun 11 22:32
DaemonFCThank you for enrolling in AT&T paperless billingJun 11 22:32
DaemonFCI should write backJun 11 22:32
DaemonFC"No, thank you for not cutting down trees, putting my personal info on the resulting paper, and leaving it in my mailbox to be stolen. Assholes."Jun 11 22:33
DaemonFCMinceR, Colombian coffee is more expensiveJun 11 22:34
DaemonFCI think they get away with it because their soil is ideal for coffee growingJun 11 22:34
DaemonFCthus making it taste betterJun 11 22:34
DaemonFCbut I doubt the workers see any benefit from the high pricingJun 11 22:34
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DaemonFCMinceR, I say the only ethical thing to do is invade ColombiaJun 11 22:35
DaemonFCsteal their soilJun 11 22:35
DaemonFCreplace it with oursJun 11 22:36
DaemonFCand grow coffee in FloridaJun 11 22:36
DaemonFCwith illegal Mexican laborJun 11 22:36
DaemonFC"Florida, it's not just for tomatoes anymore. (And neither are the Mexican peasants who will get turned over to ICE if they complain about the conditions)"Jun 11 22:37
DaemonFCI think that ad campaign could get some tractionJun 11 22:37
MinceRwhat could possibly go wrong?Jun 11 22:38
DaemonFCindeedJun 11 22:38
DaemonFCcheap coffee that nobody asks questions aboutJun 11 22:38
DaemonFCinstead of expensive coffee nobody asks questions aboutJun 11 22:38
DaemonFCclearly idealJun 11 22:38
DaemonFCoh shitJun 11 22:39
DaemonFCI'm looking at a funnel cloudJun 11 22:39
MinceRare you also going to steal their climate? :>Jun 11 22:39
DaemonFCMinceR, Florida's climate it fine for growing many things indigenous to Central AmericaJun 11 22:39
DaemonFCincluding chile peppersJun 11 22:40
MinceRfine is one thing, exactly the same is anotherJun 11 22:40
DaemonFCuhhhmJun 11 22:40
DaemonFCthat funnel cloud is growingJun 11 22:40
*DaemonFC kind of hopes it starts moving east a little bit faster before touching downJun 11 22:41
MinceRactually moving all that soil isn't going to lead to "cheap" coffee anywayJun 11 22:41
DaemonFCthen we alter ours to mimic theirsJun 11 22:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] If you aren’t prepared with an Ice Block, the bros will… make you eat gay or… something, I don’t know. http://is.gd/cLWQJ HT @crackedJun 11 22:41
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DaemonFCwe have scientists and engineersJun 11 22:41
DaemonFC:)Jun 11 22:41
DaemonFCthen we destroy them in a price warJun 11 22:41
DaemonFCagain, with the help of illegal Mexican workersJun 11 22:42
MinceRi doubt you can go lower in prices than theyJun 11 22:42
DaemonFCautomation and Mexican workersJun 11 22:42
DaemonFCis what I meant to sayJun 11 22:42
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 22:42
DaemonFCand lots of tax subsidiesJun 11 22:42
MinceR:>Jun 11 22:43
DaemonFCit works for corn in IndianaJun 11 22:43
DaemonFC*shrugs*Jun 11 22:43
DaemonFCMinceR, Indiana's state government is setting things up to where it's favorable for foreign companies to headquarter their US operations hereJun 11 22:44
DaemonFCapparently paying them to move in and taxing them at 0% has that effectJun 11 22:45
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 22:45
DaemonFCthat's really the only reason manufacturing is coming back so fastJun 11 22:46
DaemonFCthey're beating the taxation out of individuals in the working classJun 11 22:46
DaemonFCinstead of the companies themselvesJun 11 22:46
MinceRthey do the same hereJun 11 22:47
DaemonFCMinceR, I suggest a worldwide, synchronized peasant revoltJun 11 22:48
DaemonFCthe UN police forces will be overwhelmedJun 11 22:48
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 22:48
DaemonFCby UN police forces, I of course refer to local, state, and national police of each sovereign nationJun 11 22:49
DaemonFCjust so there's no confusion :)Jun 11 22:49
DaemonFCwhether the criminals meet in Seattle, Toronto, or Mexico City, it's always the same crowd control equipment, the same tactics, the same orders givenJun 11 22:50
DaemonFCit's almost like there was a UN police force ;)Jun 11 22:50
DaemonFCheh, the Thrifty Food Plan as determined by the state is $200 a monthJun 11 22:55
*DaemonFC wonders if any of them have gone 31 days without spending more than $200 on groceriesJun 11 22:56
DaemonFCthat's not for one personJun 11 22:57
DaemonFCthat's for a family of 3Jun 11 22:57
DaemonFCso this assumes that a person should be able to live on $2.15 worth of food per day in a 31 day monthJun 11 22:58
DaemonFCmaybe if this was 1979Jun 11 22:58
DaemonFCB-)Jun 11 22:58
DaemonFCI'd like them to use their food stamp formula to calculate how many tax credits a business can getJun 11 23:00
DaemonFCthe subsidy would dry up real fastJun 11 23:00
DaemonFCsuddenly they may even have to pay to locate hereJun 11 23:01
DaemonFCthat would be a damned crying shameJun 11 23:01
DaemonFCright MinceR? :)Jun 11 23:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Syntheway and #Flash 10.1 (Proprietary) Comes to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/06yeb http://ur1.ca/06yeeJun 11 23:03
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DaemonFCschestowitz, The big two changes in Flash 10.1 on Windows are better DirectX acceleration and actually respecting your browser's porn mode settingsJun 11 23:04
DaemonFCnear as I can tellJun 11 23:04
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DaemonFChttp://www.kraftbrands.com/maxwellhousecoffee/our-brews/ground-caf/Pages/100-Colombian.aspxJun 11 23:15
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DaemonFCyay, my Colombian coffee is integrated with MicrosoftJun 11 23:16
DaemonFCno wonder it's tasty :PJun 11 23:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Btrfs Performance, Why the #ZFS #FileSystem Stays Out, #Next3 http://ur1.ca/06yea http://ur1.ca/06yec http://ur1.ca/06yedJun 11 23:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mjvalente: Iceland passes gay marriage law in unanimous vote | Reuters → http://drp.ly/1aZNc9Jun 11 23:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #GNU #Linux Games, #Gaming Machines http://ur1.ca/06ykf http://ur1.ca/06yki http://ur1.ca/06ykm http://ur1.ca/03tstJun 11 23:37
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schestowitztrueJun 11 23:41
schestowitz?Jun 11 23:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] I see the phrase "freedom hating" too often, even when the outlaws say it; it is not funny and not positive. Better phrase now #floss #fossJun 11 23:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @satipera how about "fredom apathetic"?Jun 11 23:55

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