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cubezzzthe Unix/Linux way of doing things is probably the best anywayJun 13 00:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @jzb: Max Spevack: few users would downgrade to five-year-old distro, but look at Vista/XP #selinuxfestJun 13 00:00
DaemonFCpotentially yesJun 13 00:01
DaemonFCbut as long as everyone lets Microsoft run amok and no hardware vendors take it seriously, Windows will dominateJun 13 00:01
DaemonFCAMD has been moving closer and closer into the Axis of EvilJun 13 00:02
DaemonFCevery other blog post now is kissing Microsoft's assJun 13 00:02
DaemonFCincluding a gratuitous "IE 9 is awesome" full page ad posing as an articleJun 13 00:02
DaemonFCeven though it's not even Alpha yetJun 13 00:02
cubezzzdo manufacturers make things good for their customers, or for themselves?Jun 13 00:03
cubezzz;-)Jun 13 00:03
DaemonFCMicrosoft is paying them to do this I thinkJun 13 00:03
DaemonFCwhat I think is that Microsoft is actualy subsidizing the cost of hiring a full compliment of competent software engineers for the Windows sideJun 13 00:03
DaemonFCand I get a visual of the lone Linux driver maintainer down in the basementJun 13 00:04
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 00:04
cubezzzsome early light bulbs lasted over 75 yearsJun 13 00:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] Lazyweb, wondering if I can get a prepaid 3g data only sim in Perth, Australia?Jun 13 00:04
DaemonFCUS government GPS is accurate to within 1 footJun 13 00:04
DaemonFCyour point is? :)Jun 13 00:05
cubezzzlook aboveJun 13 00:05
cubezzzmanufacturers make things bad on purposeJun 13 00:05
DaemonFCyes, a 75 year old light bulb that still works would be a problem for themJun 13 00:06
DaemonFCit would be like selling you a razor blade that never dullsJun 13 00:06
cubezzzthere was a good reason Buffett invested in GiletteJun 13 00:06
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DaemonFCyeah, they make razor blades out of thin, cheap, aluminum I believeJun 13 00:07
MinceRDaemonFC: m$ and competent software engineers? what sort of weird alternate reality are you living in? :>Jun 13 00:07
DaemonFCyou make blades out of carbon, they would never need to be replacedJun 13 00:07
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oiaohmThey do exist MinceR ie competent software engineers at MS.  But they are out numbered by the incompent ones.Jun 13 00:17
MinceRwell, they don't have much of an effect, do they?Jun 13 00:19
oiaohmThinking competent ones do lot of the clean up work.  MinceRJun 13 00:21
oiaohmWithout them MS would completely fall in a heap.Jun 13 00:21
oiaohmIe they are the people who keep MS limping along with software that runs.Jun 13 00:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] we have text diff, Do we have xml diff ?? #web #xml #diffJun 13 00:22
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cubezzzheh, unsupported/drivers/net/plip.oJun 13 00:30
cubezzzit works fineJun 13 00:30
cubezzzrecently I heard the idea that Microsoft wanted to kill off ISA years agoJun 13 00:35
cubezzzso then I started thinking...Jun 13 00:36
cubezzzhow long before they try to kill off PCI?Jun 13 00:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Arkady's imaginary cat has a tiki hut through a door in her (the cat's) loft. This all makes perfect sense.Jun 13 00:38
cubezzzbut then it seemed a logic thing to kill off ISAJun 13 00:38
DaemonFCI don't have any PCI cardsJun 13 00:39
DaemonFCPCI-E x1 seems to be where cards with lower bandwidth needs are headingJun 13 00:40
DaemonFCPCI is already a legacyJun 13 00:41
DaemonFCI have one PCI slotJun 13 00:41
DaemonFCsitting empty :PJun 13 00:41
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DaemonFCPCI-E x1 3.0 has a transfer rate og 1 GB/secondJun 13 00:43
DaemonFCthat's about double what a fast legacy PCI slot can doJun 13 00:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Not Nun Tucks? RT @osrin A vicar has revived an ancient law to call members of her parish together for archery practice http://bit.ly/93LK47Jun 13 00:44
TechrightsTitle: BBC News - Wiltshire vicar revives ancient archery law .::. Size~: 45.74 KBJun 13 00:44
DaemonFCcubezzz, I think Nvidia is the new 3dfxJun 13 00:49
DaemonFCthey must have inherited a time delay mummy's curseJun 13 00:49
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 00:49
DaemonFCohhh, storm cloudsJun 13 00:52
DaemonFCblacking out the sun evenJun 13 00:52
*DaemonFC needs to go out and feed....errrr.....do stuffJun 13 00:52
DaemonFC:DJun 13 00:52
DaemonFCthe National Weather Center says we may get cloud to ground lightningJun 13 00:53
DaemonFCI've always preferred the ground to cloud type myselfJun 13 00:53
DaemonFCthe radar map is much slower now that they use BingJun 13 00:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, a 1-1 drawJun 13 01:00
DaemonFCwe're the US and the UK is supposed to have good soccer playersJun 13 01:00
DaemonFCexplains it allJun 13 01:00
DaemonFC:DJun 13 01:01
MinceRthere's also cloud to cloud typeJun 13 01:01
DaemonFCI liked Rimmer's theory of "whoever has the shortest haircut wins"Jun 13 01:01
DaemonFCbut hat was about warJun 13 01:01
DaemonFCMinceR, Isn't Hungary going to do anything about the oppressed ethnic HungariansJun 13 01:02
DaemonFCsuffering in the lands stolen from themJun 13 01:02
DaemonFCYou can employ my services as a Machiavellian dictator if you need to declare warJun 13 01:03
DaemonFCI work on commission B-)Jun 13 01:03
MinceRDaemonFC: nopeJun 13 01:03
MinceRthat's the only ethnicity nobody's going to protect :>Jun 13 01:04
DaemonFCjust the citizenship bill then?Jun 13 01:04
DaemonFCthat's kind of weakJun 13 01:04
MinceRbut then again the entire "nation" idea is stupid anywayJun 13 01:04
MinceRthat bill is pure idiocyJun 13 01:04
DaemonFCyou have to follow up on a bluff that gets called otherwise people will know you're a chickenJun 13 01:04
DaemonFCwhich is why bluffing is not always the best way to go :)Jun 13 01:04
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DaemonFCMinceR, What do they check your claim against anyway?Jun 13 01:05
DaemonFChow do they prove you are lying to them?Jun 13 01:06
DaemonFCthe only real requirement if they can't prove you're lying about your ancestry is that you speak HungarianJun 13 01:06
DaemonFCam I wrong?Jun 13 01:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I am really a open source geek. It took me 1 minute to recall what is propitiatory equivalent to Open Office Presentation. #powerlesspointJun 13 01:06
MinceRdunnoJun 13 01:07
DaemonFCMinceR, You better be glad you don't live next door to any countries with severely impoverished people who speak HungarianJun 13 01:07
DaemonFC:DJun 13 01:07
MinceRiirc they require proof of an ancestor that was a hungarian citizen, but i'm not sure if it's still thereJun 13 01:07
MinceRwe doJun 13 01:07
DaemonFChehJun 13 01:08
MinceRbut then we're impoverished too :>Jun 13 01:08
DaemonFCI was going to say, get ready for a legalized invasion thenJun 13 01:08
DaemonFCMinceR, The CIA World Factbook says you're not (impoverished)Jun 13 01:09
DaemonFCso does WikipediaJun 13 01:09
DaemonFCstatistically I make twice as much money as I doJun 13 01:09
DaemonFCbut there's still no arguing with statisticsJun 13 01:09
DaemonFCB-)Jun 13 01:09
DaemonFCstatistically, Americans make $46,381 per yearJun 13 01:12
MinceRadobe loves choice >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/11/64_bit_flash_for_linux_dead/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterJun 13 01:13
TechrightsTitle: Adobe euthanizes Flash 10.1 for 64-bit Linux • The Register .::. Size~: 31.58 KBJun 13 01:13
DaemonFCtake that as, a lot of Steve Ballmers out there that are "worth" several thousand "peons"Jun 13 01:13
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DaemonFCWe should make a statue of BallmerJun 13 01:13
DaemonFCin 24k goldJun 13 01:13
GnuWulfo/Jun 13 01:13
MinceRyes, and to save material, we should make it by coating ballmer in goldJun 13 01:13
DaemonFCMinceR, I like your way of thinkingJun 13 01:14
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 01:14
MinceR:>Jun 13 01:14
DaemonFCMinceR, GoldBallmerJun 13 01:15
DaemonFC:DJun 13 01:15
DaemonFCevery day his armpits miraculously sweat out enough gold for thousands of everyday people to pay their mortgagesJun 13 01:16
DaemonFCthe Catholic church has dispatched investigatorsJun 13 01:16
DaemonFCyou just watch, the Discovery Channel would run with thatJun 13 01:16
GnuWulfi seen somewhere that FireFox's sercity issue is just as bad as all 4 IE issuesJun 13 01:17
GnuWulfxDJun 13 01:17
DaemonFCGnuWulf, That's been the running lie since Firefox 1.0Jun 13 01:17
GnuWulfweil it was pro-operaJun 13 01:17
DaemonFCif it ever gets popular, there's going to be buku malware attacks on itJun 13 01:17
DaemonFCwell, now it's popular and has no Firefox-specific malwareJun 13 01:17
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 01:17
GnuWulfapple's browser Jun 13 01:18
GnuWulfin windows is 350% worse then IEJun 13 01:18
GnuWulfmass improvement xDJun 13 01:18
DaemonFCsecurity by obscurity doesn't really existJun 13 01:18
GnuWulfno it doesn'tJun 13 01:18
DaemonFCeven if Linux only has a 5% of Windows marketshare, then that's still many millions of fast machines with lots of bandwidthJun 13 01:19
DaemonFCno criminal is going to ignore that if it's really the easiest platform to attack :)Jun 13 01:19
GnuWulfWindows current has the easy things to attackJun 13 01:19
DaemonFCit's easy to attack AND there's 10 times more Windows boxes to exploitJun 13 01:20
DaemonFCdouble whammyJun 13 01:20
GnuWulfa system registery really helps you get....anal fuckedJun 13 01:20
DaemonFCthe registry isn't really all that badJun 13 01:20
DaemonFCLinux applications have been trying to make an even bigger messJun 13 01:21
GnuWulfmost hackers claim it makes it easier to hide virusesJun 13 01:21
DaemonFCsome of them use gconf and some of them make all these little invisible dot folders Jun 13 01:21
MinceRthe registry is really all that badJun 13 01:21
GnuWulf.irssiJun 13 01:21
GnuWulf.wine (a whole winsystem)Jun 13 01:22
MinceRand no, gconf is bad, but not nearly as bad as the registryJun 13 01:22
MinceRfor one thing, it uses individual text filesJun 13 01:22
DaemonFCwhich the file system is prone to eatingJun 13 01:22
DaemonFC:DJun 13 01:22
MinceRand it uses separate files for separate usersJun 13 01:22
GnuWulfgconf?Jun 13 01:22
MinceRso it's a lot more robust and access control actually works on itJun 13 01:22
MinceRmeanwhile registry reinvents the file system because the other crap m$ fs-es can't handle small filesJun 13 01:23
DaemonFCno, Ext4 loved to eat your system settings by not synchronizing the filesystem often enoughJun 13 01:23
GnuWulfahhJun 13 01:23
GnuWulfi use ext3 stillJun 13 01:23
MinceRthat's ext4's faultJun 13 01:23
DaemonFCthey semi-fixed itJun 13 01:23
DaemonFCit can still happen, jsut not as likely to happen or do massive damage nowJun 13 01:24
MinceRext4 was not designed to reliably retain data, so nobody who wants to retain their data should use itJun 13 01:24
MinceR/dev/null does what ext4 was designed to do, only it does so even fasterJun 13 01:24
MinceRalso the blackhole backend of mysqlJun 13 01:24
GnuWulflolJun 13 01:24
DaemonFCXFS is actually safer than Ext4Jun 13 01:24
MinceRxfs is crap tooJun 13 01:25
DaemonFCI like XFS Jun 13 01:25
DaemonFCit's fastJun 13 01:25
GnuWulfMinceR:  then whats the best FS for storing large files?Jun 13 01:25
MinceR/dev/null is fasterJun 13 01:25
MinceRGnuWulf: dunnoJun 13 01:25
MinceRi don't have separate FS-es for large filesJun 13 01:25
GnuWulfi have 4HDD's normaly group togetherJun 13 01:25
DaemonFCI like XFS file system create, 2 TB disk formatted in about 3 secondsJun 13 01:25
DaemonFCExt4 takes several minutes to create one that bigJun 13 01:26
MinceRdo you create filesystems all the time? :>Jun 13 01:26
DaemonFCno, but it's annoying when you do and then fall asleep on the keyboardJun 13 01:26
DaemonFC:DJun 13 01:26
MinceRperhaps you don't sleep enoughJun 13 01:26
DaemonFCExt4 also wastes a lot of disk spaceJun 13 01:26
MinceRyes, it takes a lot of space to do all that losing of dataJun 13 01:27
DaemonFCand reserves 10% of itJun 13 01:27
MinceR/dev/null does that betterJun 13 01:27
GnuWulfi may stick with EXT3 till ext6 is around (then i will stwitch to the working ext5)Jun 13 01:27
GnuWulfexJun 13 01:27
MinceRi think i'll switch to btrfs when i switch to fedora :>Jun 13 01:27
GnuWulfi have thought about useing btrfsJun 13 01:27
GnuWulfi use hammerfs in  BSDJun 13 01:28
MinceRcan't touch this?Jun 13 01:28
GnuWulfxsuppost to be the safeist Jun 13 01:28
MinceRnot LFS or NILFS?Jun 13 01:29
GnuWulfhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAMMERJun 13 01:29
TechrightsTitle: HAMMER - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 28.41 KBJun 13 01:29
MinceRnot log-structured :>Jun 13 01:30
GnuWulfi has yet to lose anything on hammerJun 13 01:31
DaemonFChttp://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2227/55288969.pngJun 13 01:31
TechrightsTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBJun 13 01:31
GnuWulfhowever ntfs wise i have lost a 1GB xsystem diskJun 13 01:31
DaemonFCFirefox now integrates with WindowsJun 13 01:32
DaemonFC:PJun 13 01:33
DaemonFChttp://img28.imageshack.us/img28/8641/25029743.pngJun 13 01:33
TechrightsTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBJun 13 01:33
GnuWulfme waits for FF to go from yellow to red on saftieJun 13 01:33
*GnuWulf notes apple is begging ppl to hack it :(Jun 13 01:35
DaemonFCthe botnet malware hiding in iLife was epicJun 13 01:38
DaemonFC"I don't need antivirus, I own a Mac!" "Waaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!"Jun 13 01:39
DaemonFC:DJun 13 01:39
DaemonFCtheir file system is scarier than NTFSJun 13 01:39
DaemonFCfragmentation is a problem and you have to buy a separate defrag tool for HFS+ on your MacJun 13 01:40
DaemonFCCrapple says you don't need antivirus, but there are antivirus programs for saleJun 13 01:40
DaemonFC:PJun 13 01:40
DaemonFCand viruses out there....Jun 13 01:40
DaemonFCI came real close to buying a BLu Ray drive for the PC, but I don't see any reason to yetJun 13 01:41
DaemonFCthe drives themselves are cheap, sureJun 13 01:41
DaemonFCbut you have to "subscribe" to player softwareJun 13 01:42
DaemonFCor else new discs won't workJun 13 01:42
GnuWulfhahaJun 13 01:42
GnuWulfwait a few yearsJun 13 01:43
GnuWulfblu-ray will be as mass over produced as DVD and HD-DVDJun 13 01:43
DaemonFCHD-DVD os deadJun 13 01:43
DaemonFC*isJun 13 01:43
DaemonFCforeverJun 13 01:43
DaemonFCno new players or discsJun 13 01:43
GnuWulfDaemonFC:  only cuz M$ stuck their nose in it :PJun 13 01:44
GnuWulfyou could but a HD-DVD add on player (or in the elite play a HD_DVD) Jun 13 01:44
GnuWulfbut who has a xbox360 really xxDJun 13 01:45
GnuWulfand you can still buy the blanks and the burnersxJun 13 01:46
DaemonFC"PowerDVD is the consumer’s favorite Blu-ray / DVD playback software"Jun 13 01:52
DaemonFCapparently they say it's my favorite softwareJun 13 01:52
DaemonFCI say it isn'tJun 13 01:52
DaemonFCclearly we're at an impasseJun 13 01:52
DaemonFCMinceR, Converts DVD to stereoscopic 3dJun 13 01:53
DaemonFCthat sounds craptacularJun 13 01:53
MinceRyeah, rightJun 13 01:53
MinceRmagically creating information from nothingJun 13 01:53
GnuWulfi make porn outta nothingJun 13 01:53
DaemonFCfap fap fapJun 13 01:54
DaemonFC:PJun 13 01:54
GnuWulfi mean i wake up everyday to like a new porn DVDJun 13 01:56
GnuWulfand dont buy emJun 13 01:56
DaemonFCMinceR, It can do half the things VLC can, and all for only $100!!!!Jun 13 01:56
DaemonFCWow!Jun 13 01:56
GnuWulfVLC = my favorit thing for videosJun 13 01:56
GnuWulfmusicJun 13 01:56
GnuWulfand pics :PJun 13 01:57
DaemonFC"Cyberlink advises users who want to keep HD DVD playback to buy the Ultra editions of PowerDVD 7 and 8 which can be installed together on the same system."Jun 13 01:57
DaemonFChahaha!!!!Jun 13 01:57
GnuWulfVLC ftwJun 13 01:58
DaemonFChttp://www.cyberlink.com/products/powerdvd/hd-3d-dvd-player_en_US.htmlJun 13 01:59
DaemonFCMinceR, It makes thigns come out of the monitor!Jun 13 01:59
TechrightsTitle: PowerDVD 10 - 3D and HD Movie Player Software for Blu-ray, DVDs, Videos .::. Size~: 35.09 KBJun 13 01:59
MinceRroaches?Jun 13 01:59
DaemonFCMinceR, I don't know if I should watch porn or Aliens with this new technologyJun 13 01:59
DaemonFCwhat say you? :PJun 13 01:59
MinceRaliens pr0n.Jun 13 02:00
DaemonFChmmm, it upconverts DVDs to HD, you can tell because they turned the brightness and contrast up on the "HD" sideJun 13 02:01
DaemonFC:DJun 13 02:01
GnuWulf3D HD alien PORNzJun 13 02:03
DaemonFCin HDJun 13 02:03
DaemonFCwhich is now what high contrast and brightness are called!Jun 13 02:03
GnuWulf:PJun 13 02:04
GnuWulfand f'd sharpnessJun 13 02:04
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN1eawBuqms&feature=player_embeddedJun 13 02:05
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- CyberLink PowerDVD 10 - Upgrade Your Media Experience to 3D & HD .::. Size~: 88.25 KBJun 13 02:05
GnuWulf:OJun 13 02:07
GnuWulflets go rape sonyJun 13 02:07
GnuWulfthey came up with mp3 players fristJun 13 02:07
GnuWulfblu-ray alsoJun 13 02:07
DaemonFCno they didn'tJun 13 02:10
DaemonFCmp3 that isJun 13 02:11
DaemonFChttp://www.reghardware.com/2008/03/10/ft_first_mp3_player/Jun 13 02:11
TechrightsTitle: Ten years old: the world's first MP3 player • reghardware .::. Size~: 21.16 KBJun 13 02:11
DaemonFC12 years old now ;)Jun 13 02:11
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DaemonFC32 MB of storageJun 13 02:12
DaemonFCconnected via parralel portJun 13 02:12
DaemonFC$200Jun 13 02:12
cubezzzsee? parallel port roolzJun 13 02:13
DaemonFCthe Diamond Rio was what got the RIAA to sueJun 13 02:13
DaemonFCthey tried to get a permanent ban on MP3 players in the United StatesJun 13 02:13
DaemonFC"The RIAA asked for a sales ban, and got one on a temporary basis on 16 October, only to have it withdrawn on 26 October."Jun 13 02:14
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 02:14
GnuWulfwas that the mp3-disk player?Jun 13 02:14
DaemonFCnoJun 13 02:14
GnuWulfi meant the company that made itJun 13 02:15
cubezzzwhen did mp3 first appear?Jun 13 02:16
GnuWulfsony clames to have had a mp3 player out before the ipod craze (however it was very expisve and had no reitivly no storage)Jun 13 02:16
MinceRgnJun 13 02:16
GnuWulfcubezzz:  90'sJun 13 02:17
MinceRmany companies had portable mp3 players before the hypePodJun 13 02:17
GnuWulfearily 90's maybe mid 90'sJun 13 02:17
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_PMP300Jun 13 02:17
TechrightsTitle: Rio PMP300 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 31.24 KBJun 13 02:17
cubezzz"It was approved as an ISO/IEC standard in 1991"Jun 13 02:17
DaemonFCcubezzz, MP3 encoder that mere mortals had access to?Jun 13 02:17
DaemonFCaround 1993Jun 13 02:17
DaemonFC:DJun 13 02:18
DaemonFCthe quality was terrible, the trial version was limited to 112kbps constant bitrateJun 13 02:18
DaemonFCand the full version cost thousands of dollarsJun 13 02:18
DaemonFCalso, the decoding requirements were very steep, a 486 DX/66Jun 13 02:18
GnuWulfsony clames 95 they had a flash based mp3 outJun 13 02:19
DaemonFCwhich was well out of the price range of most peopleJun 13 02:19
GnuWulfin this history channel documatery Jun 13 02:19
DaemonFCWinamp was really what made MP3 popularJun 13 02:19
DaemonFCWinPlay3 from FhG just suckedJun 13 02:19
DaemonFCno, playlists, no library, no equalizer....Jun 13 02:20
DaemonFCno Llama :PJun 13 02:20
GnuWulfapple says itunesJun 13 02:20
GnuWulfdidJun 13 02:20
DaemonFCnopeJun 13 02:20
DaemonFCiTunes made DRM'd AAC popular among stupid assholes with lots of money to wasteJun 13 02:21
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 02:21
DaemonFCiTunes and Napster brought glorious pirate MP3 to the masses Jun 13 02:21
DaemonFC:DJun 13 02:21
GnuWulfhowever histroy channel says p2p transfer programs made mp3's popularJun 13 02:21
DaemonFCerrrJun 13 02:21
DaemonFCWinamp and NapsterJun 13 02:21
MinceRhypeTunes wasn't even a vague idea when WinAmp was already popularJun 13 02:21
DaemonFCyeah, iTunes was basically a huge DRM'd music store that happened to have a really bloated featureless player attachedJun 13 02:22
DaemonFCactually allowing you to do anything after you paid them money was an afterthoughtJun 13 02:22
DaemonFC:DJun 13 02:22
*GnuWulf remembers how P2P was made 20x more popular by the metallica drummerJun 13 02:23
cubezzzI think this 486 could handle mp3Jun 13 02:26
cubezzzI'll have to try that later Jun 13 02:26
DaemonFCit probably wouldn't handle VorbisJun 13 02:27
DaemonFCan original Pentium mayJun 13 02:27
GnuWulfmy psp can handle flac :)Jun 13 02:27
GnuWulfmy pda cant :(Jun 13 02:27
oiaohmA 386 sx can cubezzzJun 13 02:28
oiaohm25 mhzJun 13 02:28
oiaohmOk text only but hey.Jun 13 02:28
cubezzzyeahJun 13 02:28
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oiaohmThere is a mp3 play back program for dosJun 13 02:29
oiaohmso 286 might be possible.Jun 13 02:29
oiaohmBut that is kinda getting insane.Jun 13 02:29
cubezzzwhat was the fastest 286? :)Jun 13 02:30
cubezzztightly coded assembly language, it might be possibleJun 13 02:31
DaemonFChttp://www.diamondmm.com/Jun 13 02:32
DaemonFCnoJun 13 02:32
DaemonFC486 DX 66 is the minimum you'll get away with real time MP3 decoding withJun 13 02:33
DaemonFCthat's pushing itJun 13 02:33
cubezzznonsenseJun 13 02:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] Sq 223 and we are off!Jun 13 02:33
cubezzzyou haven't specified which OSJun 13 02:33
cubezzzanyway, I'll try it and seeJun 13 02:34
cubezzzbasic linux is pretty leanJun 13 02:34
oiaohmfreedos is leanerJun 13 02:35
cubezzzI have that tooJun 13 02:35
cubezzzbtw there were 25 mhz 286'sJun 13 02:35
oiaohmhttp://www.damp-mp3.co.uk/  100 mhz 486 gives you visualisations as well.Jun 13 02:37
TechrightsTitle: damp - a free MP3 player for DOS .::. Size~: 0.6 KBJun 13 02:37
cubezzzhmmm, I have to figure out linux 2.2 modules for this sound cardJun 13 02:38
cubezzzaztect somethingJun 13 02:38
cubezzzbefore I can try anythingJun 13 02:38
oiaohmAlso at no point was quality level of mp3 stated.Jun 13 02:38
cubezzztypical quality is good enough Jun 13 02:39
cubezzzlet's say  MP3, 128 kBits, 44.1 kHz, JStereoJun 13 02:40
oiaohmThat takes out doing 386 sx level.Jun 13 02:40
oiaohmIe bit rate too high for 386 to cope with.   The slowest mp3 makeable is 8 kbits .  Slowest standard mp3 is 32 kbitsJun 13 02:41
DaemonFChttp://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-8GB-MP3-MP4-Touch-Screen-OGG-RMVB-Camera-Player-R-/150454100637?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Other_MP3_Players&hash=item2307c3629dJun 13 02:42
TechrightsTitle: NEW 8GB MP3 MP4 Touch Screen OGG RMVB Camera Player R - eBay (item 150454100637 end time  Jun-12-10 18:40:48 PDT) .::. Size~: 88.01 KBJun 13 02:42
cubezzzyou could buffer the entire mp3 file to memoryJun 13 02:43
oiaohmIf you have the ram yes.Jun 13 02:43
DaemonFCcubezzz, Winamp supports thatJun 13 02:43
DaemonFC:DJun 13 02:43
cubezzzI have 16 megs on this 486Jun 13 02:44
DaemonFCWinampJun 13 02:44
oiaohmBuffered in ram there is no reason a 286 could not do it if the decompressed would fit in ram.Jun 13 02:44
DaemonFCWinamp+Windows 95Jun 13 02:44
oiaohmOr being insane and decompressing to wav on harddrive.Jun 13 02:44
DaemonFCcubezzz, You know you wannaJun 13 02:44
DaemonFC:PJun 13 02:44
cubezzzwell then it's not a mp3 any moreJun 13 02:44
cubezzzsort of defeats the pointJun 13 02:44
oiaohmIf you run out of ram it could end up in swap anyhow.Jun 13 02:45
oiaohmSo on harddrive.Jun 13 02:45
oiaohmJust cutt out the middle man.Jun 13 02:45
cubezzzwell I have 100 megs for Linux and 100 megs for freedosJun 13 02:46
cubezzzfor hard drive Jun 13 02:47
DaemonFChttp://www.oldversion.com/Winamp.htmlJun 13 02:47
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cubezzzI'm pretty sure I recall people running win95 on 486'sJun 13 02:47
DaemonFCyesJun 13 02:47
DaemonFCWindows 98 can run on a 486 tooJun 13 02:48
DaemonFCWindows Me needs a PentiumJun 13 02:48
DaemonFC:DJun 13 02:48
cubezzzso it can crash and reboot faster I guessJun 13 02:48
oiaohmWindows 95 and Windows 98 will turn over on a 386 dx with maths coprocessor.Jun 13 02:48
oiaohmMe was screw balled internally.Jun 13 02:49
cubezzzI like freedosJun 13 02:49
oiaohmMixing 2 different OS designs in a rush job never works.Jun 13 02:49
cubezzzI can still call my 486 a "free machine"Jun 13 02:49
DaemonFC"For Linux, Nullsoft released an alpha version of Winamp3 in October 9, 2001 but has not updated it despite continued user interest.[30]"Jun 13 02:51
DaemonFCyeah, cause the plugins are heavily dependent on WindowsJun 13 02:51
cubezzznah we don't need WINampJun 13 02:51
cubezzzwe have mplayer, which is a million times betterJun 13 02:51
DaemonFChere's a nickelJun 13 02:55
DaemonFCbuy a real computer :DJun 13 02:55
cubezzz"a real computer"Jun 13 02:58
cubezzzwhat does that mean?Jun 13 02:58
DaemonFChttp://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2000/sept00/availabilitypr.mspxJun 13 03:00
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DaemonFChttp://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/windowsme_gold.aspJun 13 03:02
cubezzzthat's the biggest crock of shit I've ever heardJun 13 03:02
cubezzz""Compaq is very excited to offer Windows Me on our new Presario Internet PCs, because it allows users of all backgrounds to get more out of their user experience"Jun 13 03:02
sebsebseboiaohm: DaemonFC  cubezzz   Yes Facebook sucks really, but at least runs on Linux, and :) at the comments http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/omg-ubuntu-reader-desktops.htmlJun 13 03:04
TechrightsTitle: OMG! Ubuntu! Reader Desktops | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 79.99 KBJun 13 03:04
DaemonFCFacebook doesn't run on LinuxJun 13 03:05
DaemonFCFacebook is a websiteJun 13 03:05
DaemonFCFacebook runs on any OS with a modern web browserJun 13 03:06
sebsebsebDaemonFC: that has servers that run Linux yesJun 13 03:06
sebsebsebthats what I meantJun 13 03:06
sebsebseband I typed wrong thing reallyJun 13 03:06
DaemonFCthat's not a surpriseJun 13 03:06
DaemonFChttp://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/winme_gold_36.gifJun 13 03:06
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DaemonFCI run all my web servers on Windows MeJun 13 03:06
DaemonFCFacebook should tooJun 13 03:07
sebsebsebDaemonFC: right and I have servers that run on Windows 3.1Jun 13 03:07
sebsebsebMyspace should tooJun 13 03:07
sebsebsebdude these kind of jokes, arent' even funnyJun 13 03:07
GnuWulferr winblows MEJun 13 03:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Started JavaScript SVG animation API , it took 200 lines for coding first animation effect - flyin effect, #svg #animationJun 13 03:09
DaemonFChttp://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/whistler_2250_per_01.gifJun 13 03:10
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DaemonFCIE "5.6" on Windows WhistlerJun 13 03:10
DaemonFCThe Whistler theme ended up looking better than the theme XP eventually shipped withJun 13 03:11
DaemonFCthey used the good theme as the mock-upJun 13 03:11
DaemonFC:DJun 13 03:11
cubezzzI need a cheap KVMJun 13 03:13
cubezzzor just KMJun 13 03:14
cubezzzforget the VJun 13 03:14
cubezzzI can only type on one keyboard at a timeJun 13 03:14
cubezzzif I was really uber I would just make one Jun 13 03:15
DaemonFChttp://uxstyle.com/Jun 13 03:16
TechrightsTitle: UxStyle - no more patching. .::. Size~: 1.98 KBJun 13 03:16
DaemonFCit patches uxtheme.dll in memory so you don't have to replace system files to load a custom theme :PJun 13 03:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] People & their dogs playing in Washington sq park on a warm San Francisco evening. The beauty of a commonsJun 13 03:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Linux-powered Droid phones selling out http://bit.ly/aL0qyBJun 13 03:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] A Effect based SVG animation API http://blog.narendrasisodiya.com/2010/06/effect-based-svg-animation-api.html #svg #animation #effectJun 13 04:22
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cubezzzok, sound card timeJun 13 04:27
DaemonFChttp://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5585/13059306.pngJun 13 04:39
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DaemonFCtweaking the shell a littleJun 13 04:39
cubezzzjazz 16 ISA sound cardJun 13 04:39
cubezzzweird, I can't alt-67 in freedosJun 13 04:41
cubezzzalt-97 does the same thing, interestingJun 13 04:43
cubezzzand alt-67 doesn't work in newer linux, or at least it doesn't on this machineJun 13 04:47
DaemonFCcubezzz is a PC and Windows 7 was his ideaJun 13 04:49
*DaemonFC hidesJun 13 04:49
cubezzzok wait a secJun 13 04:49
cubezzzin the ascii table a = 97 decimalJun 13 04:50
cubezzzbut also a = 61 decimalJun 13 04:50
cubezzzer, noJun 13 04:50
cubezzz0x61 hexadecimalJun 13 04:50
cubezzzyes, that must be itJun 13 04:53
cubezzzin freedos it's using decimal, and it linux it's using hexJun 13 04:53
cubezzzso alt-122 = zJun 13 04:54
cubezzzand I have rom dosJun 13 04:57
cubezzzas wellJun 13 04:57
cubezzzinterestingJun 13 04:57
DaemonFChttp://www.mydigitallife.info/2008/06/06/body-capture-motion-suit-for-online-virtual-sex/Jun 13 05:05
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*DaemonFC ponders Second Life players having virtual sexJun 13 05:05
DaemonFCwell, there went my appetite for another 3 daysJun 13 05:05
DaemonFC:DJun 13 05:05
DaemonFCthen again, they may not make the suits in XXXXLJun 13 05:06
DaemonFC:DJun 13 05:06
*DaemonFC conducts his experiment by passing a few buckets of KFC to cubezzz Jun 13 05:06
DaemonFCwe'll get to the bottom of thisJun 13 05:06
DaemonFCeat guinea pig, eat!Jun 13 05:06
DaemonFCWindows BSOD now means your dick was faxed to CanadaJun 13 05:07
DaemonFChmmm, no Venture Bros on tonightJun 13 05:12
DaemonFCjust Tom Cruise in The FirmJun 13 05:12
DaemonFC:pJun 13 05:12
cubezzzhaha!Jun 13 05:20
cubezzzit workedJun 13 05:20
cubezzzpretty niceJun 13 05:21
cubezzzexcept it's too loud :)Jun 13 05:22
cubezzzawesomeJun 13 05:23
schestowitzhttp://techie-buzz.com/tech-news/adobe-closes-flash-player-64-bit-for-linux-labs-prog.htmlJun 13 05:24
TechrightsTitle: Adobe Closes Flash Player 64-bit for Linux Labs Program .::. Size~: 43.76 KBJun 13 05:24
schestowitzAdobe also set the Flash 64-bit for Linux forums on read-only mode,  effectively quelling any and all means of discussion.Jun 13 05:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: Tom Cruise is a foolJun 13 05:29
schestowitzLike CHarlie SheenJun 13 05:30
DaemonFCTom Cruise is Tom Cruise crazyJun 13 05:30
DaemonFCjust be glad it's him not you :PJun 13 05:30
schestowitzThey think because people portray them as heroes in 1.5 hour films that take years to make, then their judgment is better than others'Jun 13 05:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: "he's so in love with Katie"Jun 13 05:30
DaemonFCat least his people tell him soJun 13 05:31
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 05:31
schestowitzI just got two mails from "http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20007546-92.html"Jun 13 05:31
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schestowitzOopsJun 13 05:31
schestowitz"Pfizer" <sale@pfizer.com>Jun 13 05:31
schestowitz:-)Jun 13 05:32
DaemonFCyeah, lots of typos and spaces in it?Jun 13 05:32
DaemonFCbest prices offered?Jun 13 05:32
schestowitzNoJun 13 05:33
schestowitzDidn't pay attentionJun 13 05:33
schestowitzThese companies are worthlessJun 13 05:34
schestowitzInstead of making drugs that save life they aim for moneyJun 13 05:34
schestowitzHelping old rich men get it up againJun 13 05:34
schestowitzBig Pharma works on profit, not needJun 13 05:34
schestowitzhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/02/gulf-oil-spill-relief-wel_n_597690.htmlJun 13 05:36
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jun/10/hague-bosnian-serb-srebrenica-genocideJun 13 05:39
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schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.citizen.org/stronger-financial-reformJun 13 05:39
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DaemonFChttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat_-_BLINK_tag.gifJun 13 05:41
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schestowitzhttp://www.junauza.com/2010/06/what-happened-to-ibms-linux-wristwatch.htmlJun 13 05:57
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oiaohmzdnet and fud  http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/linux-infection-proves-windows-malware-monopoly-is-over/2206Jun 13 06:05
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oiaohmIts a rootkit infection was always detectable because checksum was off.Jun 13 06:06
oiaohmHeck roothit hunter gets run on my systems for this kind of reason.Jun 13 06:06
oiaohmIts not a self spreeding virus.Jun 13 06:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Imagination-Technologies-Powervr-SGX544/?kc=rssJun 13 06:09
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schestowitzoiaohm: BottJun 13 06:09
schestowitzI saw thatJun 13 06:10
schestowitzoiaohm: no point feeding that troll. They try to keep up this myth of "everything else is bad too"Jun 13 06:10
cubezzzoiaohm, 486 on freedos blows dosbox away for speedJun 13 06:10
cubezzzit's quite a differenceJun 13 06:10
cubezzzjust got the sound stuff workingJun 13 06:10
schestowitzSlow troll ('news') day for ZDnetJun 13 06:11
cubezzz"do you know what md5sum is" :)Jun 13 06:11
cubezzzfreedos definitely fills a nicheJun 13 06:12
DaemonFChttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/how-a-decade-of-antitrust-oversight-has-changed-your-pc/2191?tag=mantle_skin;contentJun 13 06:14
TechrightsTitle: How a decade of antitrust oversight has changed your PC | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 136.89 KBJun 13 06:14
DaemonFCThere's one for youJun 13 06:14
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ziggyfishgood afternoon allJun 13 06:15
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DaemonFCif Microsoft did build antivirus into Windows and nobody used anything else, it would make the writing of malware easierJun 13 06:21
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DaemonFCdue to only having to test it against one well known configurationJun 13 06:21
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DaemonFCmalware writers typically study how the most popular 2 or 3 antivirus programs operate and find ways around themJun 13 06:22
DaemonFCthat why Norton and McAfee almsot never workJun 13 06:22
DaemonFCI avoid the top 3 for that aloneJun 13 06:22
ziggyfishDaemonFC, wouldn't that be true for that other anti-vius program that has just escaped my mindJun 13 06:23
GnuWulfavast FTWJun 13 06:23
cubezzzhey I have an idea for windowsJun 13 06:23
ziggyfishAVGJun 13 06:23
cubezzzwhich will stop nasty internet virusesJun 13 06:23
cubezzzjust remove tcp/ip capability :)Jun 13 06:24
ziggyfishcubezzz, Ubuntu does the same, lolJun 13 06:24
oiaohmMS history of anti-viruses is not great either.Jun 13 06:27
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ziggyfishoiaohm, I wise man once said anti-viruses only cure a system from viruses, however it can not prevent a system from getting a virus. That is up to the operating systemJun 13 06:30
Animeking<person>Jun 13 06:30
Animekingnot operating systemJun 13 06:30
Animekingwtf?Jun 13 06:30
Animekingalso depends on what you define as <virus>Jun 13 06:31
ziggyfishhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_virusJun 13 06:32
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Animeking>_> Because you can have the worlds most uber-secure OS,  but still get a simple virus by being dumb enough to install something from an untrusted source (repeatedly) withotu checking if its safe or anything D:Jun 13 06:32
AnimekingWell, you're gonna get somethingJun 13 06:32
Animeking>_> Nothing is immune to human stupidityJun 13 06:33
AnimekingNOTHING!Jun 13 06:33
oiaohmInstalling something from a untrusted source does not make it a virus.Jun 13 06:33
Animekingit makes it more likely you will get one XPJun 13 06:33
oiaohmTo be a virus it requires the replicating bit.  AnimekingJun 13 06:33
AnimekingXP I AM AWAREJun 13 06:33
oiaohmtrojan and rootkits are Linux normal problems.Jun 13 06:34
Animeking:\Jun 13 06:34
AnimekingokayJun 13 06:34
oiaohmviruses and worms are more common on the windows side.Jun 13 06:34
Animekingthat still doesn't change what I saidJun 13 06:34
ziggyfishAnimeking, a secure system will prevent privilege escalationJun 13 06:34
cubezzznot if you write everything yourself :)Jun 13 06:34
oiaohmsecure system makes it hard to replicate without user action.  AnimekingJun 13 06:35
oiaohmIe viruses basically don't exist on correctly secured systems.Jun 13 06:35
Animeking:\ ziggyfish, I know this is more liek a trojan I am talking about but not if you trick the user into giving it escalated privileges D: Jun 13 06:35
oiaohmviruses and wormsJun 13 06:35
AnimekingAs I saidJun 13 06:35
AnimekingNothing is immune to human stupidity :\Jun 13 06:35
Animeking-I don't see what we're arguing D:Jun 13 06:35
cubezzzmy root password is 12345Jun 13 06:35
oiaohmTerm.Jun 13 06:36
cubezzzj/kJun 13 06:36
GnuWulfubuntu is M$ under a linux nameJun 13 06:36
GnuWulfor may as well beJun 13 06:36
oiaohmTrojans and rootkits not viruses work were ever.Jun 13 06:36
Animeking>_> So we're arguing terminology I am not in the mood for this discussion on simple semantics! DxJun 13 06:36
oiaohmIts like the Ubuntu users complaining that .exe with wine not working from a straight download due to excutable bit missing.Jun 13 06:37
ziggyfishAnimeking, you started the argumentJun 13 06:37
oiaohmIts not simple semantics.  Wrong term means failure to understand the problems at hand.Jun 13 06:37
Animeking>_> It wasn't much of an argument, all I said was, "depends on what you define a virus." since most people use viruses as a sort of umbrella term for all malware D:Jun 13 06:38
Animeking>_> So you run into people who assume Unix like OS's are immune to everything D:Jun 13 06:38
Animekingeven human error >_>Jun 13 06:38
AnimekingThat is all D:Jun 13 06:39
GnuWulfbloody fucking hell what is it with everyone and ubuntu latelyJun 13 06:39
ziggyfishGnuWulf, ubuntu is the best, :)Jun 13 06:39
GnuWulfUbuntu is GAYJun 13 06:39
ziggyfishYour GAYJun 13 06:40
GnuWulfand to ny homosexual no offenceJun 13 06:40
Animeking>_>Jun 13 06:40
GnuWulfbut Ubuntu is like take the worlds dullest razor blade,lighting it on fire, and slowly stabbing your eyeball with itJun 13 06:40
cubezzzI never really liked it eitherJun 13 06:41
cubezzzyou have to try a bunch of OSes before you really know anythingJun 13 06:41
GnuWulfas a newb i liked (tho illegal) my P2P lindow/linspireJun 13 06:42
cubezzz0.Jun 13 06:42
DaemonFCwell, an antivirus has to stop the thing before it can get a chance to run or else it owns the systemJun 13 06:42
GnuWulfbut then i switched as soon as i was comfortable to a more imtermedate OSJun 13 06:42
DaemonFCmany people complaining about a virus never had a decent (any?) antivirus software to begin withJun 13 06:43
ziggyfishDaemonFC, my point is that in order for an antivirus to find a virus it needs to know about it firstJun 13 06:43
DaemonFCrightJun 13 06:44
DaemonFCwhich means it's only as good as the heuristics engineJun 13 06:44
DaemonFCsome antivirus programs have a decent heurisitics engine, some have a lousy one that creates tons of false positivesJun 13 06:44
DaemonFCsome have none at all "ClamAV, the GPL'd antivirus)Jun 13 06:44
DaemonFCziggyfish, Avira, Avast, and AVG make decent antivirus programs, even the freeware editionsJun 13 06:45
DaemonFCthey manage to do better than most of the payware out thereJun 13 06:46
ziggyfishDaemonFC, yes, in fact we use AVG at work.Jun 13 06:46
DaemonFCthe funny thing is that McAfee and Norton get to charge you to use them whether you use them or notJun 13 06:46
GnuWulfi use AvastJun 13 06:46
DaemonFCcause they sign deals with your ISPJun 13 06:46
*ziggyfish hates monopoliesJun 13 06:47
AnimekingI use ClamAV + MS Security Essentials on windows >_> (ClamAV just scans the Windows partition)Jun 13 06:47
DaemonFCthey charge your ISP to include them in your subscription feeJun 13 06:47
DaemonFCthen the copy you get from your ISP hits you with nag screensJun 13 06:48
DaemonFCto pay for a "better version"Jun 13 06:48
ziggyfishAnimeking, Microsoft and Security should never be used in the same sentenceJun 13 06:48
Animekingziggyfish:  >_> your motherJun 13 06:48
DaemonFCIt's better than nothingJun 13 06:48
Animekingand what DaemonFC saidJun 13 06:48
DaemonFCat least it is light on resources while it's busy catching "93% of the malware zoo"Jun 13 06:48
DaemonFC:DJun 13 06:48
DaemonFCAvira consistently goes over 99%Jun 13 06:49
DaemonFC(av comparatives testing)Jun 13 06:49
DaemonFCAvira suggests that you turn off Windows DefenderJun 13 06:49
DaemonFC:DJun 13 06:49
AnimekingMmmJun 13 06:50
DaemonFCSecurity Essentials disables Windows Defender anywayJun 13 06:50
DaemonFCin the backgroundJun 13 06:50
ziggyfishDaemonFC, but 93% of malware are caused by Microsoft Windows (73% of people will believe any random number with a percentage sign attach to it, to be a valid statisticJun 13 06:51
DaemonFCleaving Defender and a decent antivirus program on at the same time is begging for conflicts and get ready for some serious SLOWJun 13 06:51
DaemonFC:DJun 13 06:51
AnimekingMMhmm DaemonFCJun 13 06:51
GnuWulfwindows will tell you liesJun 13 06:52
DaemonFCI think they should just skip asking the user and whack the damned thingJun 13 06:52
DaemonFCDefender is worthless anywayJun 13 06:52
GnuWulfjust to get you to buy a anti-something programJun 13 06:52
DaemonFCinsipid little resource suckerJun 13 06:52
DaemonFC:DJun 13 06:52
AnimekinghuhJun 13 06:52
AnimekingBut, MS Security Essentials is free? o_oJun 13 06:52
DaemonFCyeah, Microsoft is getting nasty with Security EssentialsJun 13 06:53
GnuWulfthats the oldest trick in the bookJun 13 06:53
Animeking(free as in beer, not freedom or open source)Jun 13 06:53
DaemonFCif you trick it into installing on Windows Server, and it figures it out, it'll deactivate Windows itselfJun 13 06:53
DaemonFCeven if you uninstall Security EssentialsJun 13 06:53
GnuWulfif you wait x amount of days and go to a website /windows/ doesnt likeJun 13 06:54
ziggyfishAnimeking, one thing you have to ask is why does Microsoft sell security software when it should be spending the money to develop security into Windows it selfJun 13 06:54
DaemonFCat that point you have to manually re-activate Windows over the phone B-)Jun 13 06:54
GnuWulfyou get a big bullon or a red X demanding anti-virusJun 13 06:54
GnuWulfand to it Avast doesnt cut itJun 13 06:54
Animeking>_> ziggyfish I don't give a f*** :P I've read every single god danned anti-MS and anti-linux thing out there, and really I am tired of it :PJun 13 06:54
DaemonFCI did find a really cool utility though todayJun 13 06:54
Animeking99.99% of both sides are full of it :PJun 13 06:55
DaemonFCcalled "RunAsDate"Jun 13 06:55
cubezzzwell I want source codeJun 13 06:55
DaemonFCit can act as a loader for a program and lie to it about what the time and day areJun 13 06:55
cubezzzI can't get that with Microsoft, The EndJun 13 06:55
GnuWulfi love sorce codeJun 13 06:55
DaemonFCkeeps trial software running foreverJun 13 06:55
DaemonFC:DJun 13 06:55
GnuWulfas source code can be freely changedJun 13 06:55
ziggyfishAnimeking, what cubezzz saidJun 13 06:55
DaemonFCschestowitz, regarding DirectX 9, I did like what John Carmack saidJun 13 06:56
Animeking>_> ziggyfish do you even know how to program, and even if you do, do you bother to look at source code? If so what necessity do you get out of the source code unless you are a developper? Jun 13 06:56
DaemonFCround about the time Vista was releasedJun 13 06:56
Animekingalbeit I have to admitJun 13 06:56
GnuWulfthe best /windows/ app i have fakes a BSoD to hide stuff you are doingJun 13 06:56
DaemonFChe said DirectX 10 wasn't all that useful and that he would keep using 9Jun 13 06:56
DaemonFCB-)Jun 13 06:56
AnimekingI hate running proprietary shit on LinuxJun 13 06:56
AnimekingSKype for example is still 32 bit >:/Jun 13 06:57
DaemonFCAnimeking, That's because they never bother to make sure it works rightJun 13 06:57
DaemonFCif they ever release a Linux port at allJun 13 06:57
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 06:57
DaemonFCand if they do, the next distro upgrade may break itJun 13 06:57
GnuWulfmost /linux/ compiles go to whatever bit-type you are useingJun 13 06:57
DaemonFCWorld of Goo needed some serious patching due to thatJun 13 06:57
AnimekingwhatJun 13 06:58
AnimekingGnuWulf:  say that again?Jun 13 06:58
GnuWulfmost /linux/ compiles go to whatever bit-type you are useingJun 13 06:58
GnuWulfin theory Jun 13 06:58
AnimekingNope didn't make sense :\Jun 13 06:58
DaemonFCHow do you compile Skype exactly?Jun 13 06:58
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gy9h0OHkv4&feature=digestJun 13 06:58
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Phoenix June 5 2010: Arizona Against Illegal Immigration Pt1 .::. Size~: 93.6 KBJun 13 06:58
DaemonFCI was unaware that you could :DJun 13 06:58
AnimekingDaemonFC:  you can;t, its a binaryJun 13 06:58
GnuWulfAnimeking: this is a arch-devJun 13 06:58
DaemonFCI was being sarcasticJun 13 06:58
ziggyfishAnimeking, yes to all three questions, I get the knowledge that if the original developers of the software decide not to maintain it. I can do make changes without having to disassemble the application to modify it to do  what I needJun 13 06:58
DaemonFCyou get a binary, you get what they give youJun 13 06:59
GnuWulfthat said thatJun 13 06:59
DaemonFCit's why binaries tend not to work well on LinuxJun 13 06:59
DaemonFCLinux is the land of no promisesJun 13 06:59
GnuWulfyou get the source code you get heaven on earthJun 13 06:59
DaemonFCTry buying some proprietary software and see if it's working next yearJun 13 06:59
DaemonFCor a few months later for that matterJun 13 06:59
cubezzztell me where you get promisesJun 13 07:00
cubezzzyou get source codeJun 13 07:00
AnimekingAugh @_@Jun 13 07:00
GnuWulfbuy hardware for windows only to have a sp update fuck you out of useing itJun 13 07:00
DaemonFCWindows has a stable set of APIs to accoutn for the fact that programs won't be updated every 5 mintues if Microsoft makes a continuous habit of ripping things out and replacing themJun 13 07:00
DaemonFCbut that's why Windows is so "bloated"Jun 13 07:00
ziggyfishDaemonFC, exactly, I've spent years re-developing software for companies that have used software that they no longer have access to the source code.Jun 13 07:01
DaemonFCit has to support things for yearsJun 13 07:01
DaemonFCLinux never promises to support anything for any amount of timeJun 13 07:01
DaemonFCand things you may need may not be there next monthJun 13 07:01
cubezzzyou can revert to older version any time you wantJun 13 07:01
GnuWulflinux kernel wise doesnt offton take out code thoJun 13 07:01
Animekingnewbies don't' know how to do that though cubezzz :PJun 13 07:01
cubezzzI actually prefer older versionsJun 13 07:02
DaemonFCdrivers are another pain in the assJun 13 07:02
schestowitzScience Channel sinks to new lows, promoting "God" and creationism using science: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPFYyq2CgoMJun 13 07:02
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman: God Theories .::. Size~: 90.5 KBJun 13 07:02
DaemonFCFGLRX no longer supports my laptop's 200m, but the free/open soruce driver barely worksJun 13 07:02
AnimekingOr what, do you want them to install multiple partitions, and make chroot environments when they have a really hard ass time doing anything as it is D:Jun 13 07:02
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DaemonFCso I ended up going back to XP to make it work againJun 13 07:02
AnimekingOr downgrade /completely/.Jun 13 07:02
cubezzz...Jun 13 07:02
DaemonFCAnimeking, If you mean downgrade to Ubuntu 8.04Jun 13 07:02
ziggyfishDaemonFC, I've gone to the open source driver nowJun 13 07:03
DaemonFCwhich is the last distro that the last FGLRX supportsJun 13 07:03
GnuWulfthe linux drivers have not add support to my laptops nvidia cardJun 13 07:03
DaemonFCthen yeah...Jun 13 07:03
DaemonFCUbuntu 8.04 doesn't have long left to liveJun 13 07:03
Animeking>_> I mean sure you don't need to upgrade EVERYTHING but lets see if the average user can figure out what not to upgradeJun 13 07:03
Animekingbefore getting pissed at his systemJun 13 07:03
ziggyfishDaemonFC, but isn't the FGLRX not open source?Jun 13 07:04
DaemonFCnoJun 13 07:04
DaemonFCthat's the binary driverJun 13 07:04
AnimekingTHats what he meant by notJun 13 07:04
DaemonFCthey yanked it out without caring if the FOSS driver worked or notJun 13 07:04
DaemonFCso I either get slow video and a very HOT laptopJun 13 07:05
DaemonFCor I can use XPJun 13 07:05
AnimekinglolJun 13 07:05
cubezzzI think XP is right for youJun 13 07:05
cubezzzkeep using itJun 13 07:05
ziggyfishExactly. DaemonFC, Now if that driver was open sourced. I'm pretty sure someone in the world would maintain compatibility with the latest xorgJun 13 07:05
DaemonFCit's the only thing that works rightJun 13 07:05
Animeking:| cubezzz are you trying to be a smartass?Jun 13 07:05
cubezzzof courseJun 13 07:05
cubezzzall he ever talks about is dozeJun 13 07:06
DaemonFCziggyfish, the 200m is obviously not used by anyone that maintains the FOSS driversJun 13 07:06
DaemonFCor else it would workJun 13 07:06
Diablo-D3woahJun 13 07:06
Diablo-D3woah woah woahJun 13 07:06
Diablo-D3rewind a bitJun 13 07:06
oiaohmNop Diablo-D3Jun 13 07:06
oiaohmOpps sorry Diablo-D3Jun 13 07:06
Diablo-D3AMD is trying to get rid of fglrxJun 13 07:06
oiaohmI was meaning DaemonFCJun 13 07:06
Diablo-D3its a pile of shitJun 13 07:06
Diablo-D3they're spending millions of dollars to make the open source driver feature completeJun 13 07:06
Diablo-D3including funding gallium3D/dri2/mesa doing ogl3 and opencl Jun 13 07:07
DaemonFCthen perhaps someone can tell me why an integrated chipset from 2004 doesn't workJun 13 07:07
DaemonFCyou think in some crazy scheme to make a profit, ATI made more than one of them?Jun 13 07:07
oiaohmBecause powermanagement is not main line kernel yet is a major part.  DaemonFCJun 13 07:07
DaemonFCyou'd never guess from trying to use it on Linux :)Jun 13 07:07
Diablo-D3oiaohm: actually it is nowJun 13 07:07
cubezzzsomeone signed an NDA now they can't talk about the chipsetJun 13 07:07
Diablo-D3cubezzz: AMD does not require NDAs Jun 13 07:08
Diablo-D3AMD publishes docs out in the openJun 13 07:08
oiaohmLast a saw the powermanagement for the 200m missed the next kernel release window.  Diablo-D3Jun 13 07:08
ziggyfishAnyway I think I've caused to much of a stir. It's time for teaJun 13 07:08
ziggyfishsee ya allJun 13 07:08
DaemonFCcubezzz acts like I love all of Windows XP's random fuck upsJun 13 07:08
Diablo-D3oiaohm: most of the chips are now supported as of 2.6.35Jun 13 07:09
DaemonFClike it's a joy ride on hardware that's not all that fast anywayJun 13 07:09
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 07:09
ziggyfishDaemonFC, you don'tJun 13 07:09
ziggyfish?Jun 13 07:09
DaemonFCif I could get rid of it and make Linux work better, I wouldJun 13 07:09
DaemonFCthe driver does not exist that will make it perform well and not heat up to surface of the sun :)Jun 13 07:09
ziggyfishDaemonFC, do you know how to write code?Jun 13 07:09
DaemonFCso at least XP avoids those problemsJun 13 07:10
oiaohmNot really DaemonFCJun 13 07:10
AnimekingI'm waiting for nouveau to get 3D supportJun 13 07:10
oiaohmXP has its own batches of driver problems.Jun 13 07:10
Animekingthen I'd switch easyJun 13 07:10
AnimekingLOLJun 13 07:10
cubezzzthe radeon driver is pretty goodJun 13 07:10
Animeking(uses nvidia0Jun 13 07:10
Animeking(uses nvidia)Jun 13 07:10
cubezzzthey even put comments in the sourceJun 13 07:10
DaemonFCif anyone knows where I can get a really cheap laptop for as much as I use that thing, they're welcome to give suggestions :)Jun 13 07:11
Diablo-D3[02:05:19] <Animeking> I'm waiting for nouveau to get 3D supportJun 13 07:11
AnimekingAnyone can do that!Jun 13 07:11
DaemonFCIf I had to use it much, XP or Linux, I'd tear my hair outJun 13 07:11
Diablo-D3they have barely enough support to to glxgears now from what Ive heardJun 13 07:11
Diablo-D3but its a very huge uphill battleJun 13 07:11
cubezzzin the VGA days everyone could program videoJun 13 07:12
Animeking:\Jun 13 07:12
DaemonFCWhat really confounds me about Windows is that XP has essentialyl been frozen for almost a decade sans a billion bug patchesJun 13 07:12
DaemonFCand it still doesn't work that well :)Jun 13 07:12
AnimekingI tried the nouveau driver, it was very usableJun 13 07:12
Animekingbut it lacked 3DJun 13 07:12
cubezzzok, even FSF suggests radeon Jun 13 07:12
oiaohmnouveau has to reverse every step.Jun 13 07:12
AnimekingmmhmmmJun 13 07:12
Diablo-D3s/reverse/reverse engineer/Jun 13 07:13
DaemonFCcubezzz, The FSF is fuckedJun 13 07:13
cubezzzi always kind of liked ATIJun 13 07:13
Animekingthey use clean room engineeringJun 13 07:13
cubezzznot for everything mind you, but most thingsJun 13 07:13
DaemonFCthey pulled out OpenGL entirely because of a licensing quirkJun 13 07:13
oiaohmopen source ati have good documentation.  So will get there first.Jun 13 07:13
Animekingsimilar to what WINE doesJun 13 07:13
DaemonFCfor yearsJun 13 07:13
DaemonFCout of GnewsenseJun 13 07:13
Animekingto avoid any legal issuesJun 13 07:13
oiaohmAnimeking: Not exactly true AnimekingJun 13 07:13
oiaohmWine has access to some valid documentation on top.Jun 13 07:13
AnimekingYesJun 13 07:13
DaemonFCI doubt anyone at FSF actually has to load X or a graphical user interfaceJun 13 07:14
Animekingbut they don't 'reverse engineer' as in disassemble it or hgain illegal access to the source code in any shape or form :|Jun 13 07:14
DaemonFCif they did, it wouldn't suck as bad as it does using only FOSS driversJun 13 07:14
AnimekingAnd what licensing quirk was this DaemonFC?Jun 13 07:14
DaemonFChttp://lwn.net/Articles/280867/Jun 13 07:15
TechrightsTitle: There's now no 3D support in gNewSense! [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 15.49 KBJun 13 07:15
*DaemonFC roflsJun 13 07:15
AnimekingActually, I found that foss drivers are eaiser to use in some ways then it is closed ;\Jun 13 07:15
oiaohmBlack box ie test cases is a method that can be used to reverse engineer.   Its a slow process.   Clean/dirty room mehod is faster.  But runs legal risks.Jun 13 07:15
AnimekingSince it 'integrates' better with the environment usuallyJun 13 07:15
AnimekingOr at least thats how it felt when I used nouveau :oJun 13 07:16
DaemonFCMy point was that nobody is going to use a system that half works jsut because one or two people out there didn't like one line in a license in some file or anotherJun 13 07:16
DaemonFCGnewsense will never wi na popularity contestJun 13 07:16
AnimekingyepJun 13 07:16
oiaohmGnewsense is good for people building devices and the like.Jun 13 07:16
oiaohmWho don't want nasty legal problems.Jun 13 07:16
DaemonFCPosted May 3, 2008 0:36 UTC (Sat) by tetromino (subscriber, #33846) [Link]Jun 13 07:17
DaemonFCYou've got to love these people.Jun 13 07:17
DaemonFCSuppose you are distro and find some questionably-licensed piece of code in a free softwareJun 13 07:17
DaemonFCproject. It looks like no-one besides you knows about this licensing problem. What are yourJun 13 07:17
DaemonFCchoices of action?Jun 13 07:17
DaemonFC1. reimplement/replace with a free alternative;Jun 13 07:17
DaemonFC2. tell the upstream developers about the licensing problem so they can sort it out; orJun 13 07:17
DaemonFC3. rip out the code, disabling major features, without informing upstream or giving anyone aJun 13 07:17
DaemonFCchance to fix the problem.Jun 13 07:17
DaemonFCNaturally, gnuisance picked #3:Jun 13 07:17
DaemonFClolJun 13 07:17
Animeking>_>Jun 13 07:17
oiaohmAnd why is doing 3 important.  DaemonFCJun 13 07:17
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DaemonFCbecause they're smoking crackJun 13 07:18
Animeking:\ So what is the licensing quirk?Jun 13 07:18
oiaohmHow else would you know if the issue is still a problem or not DaemonFCJun 13 07:18
Animekingthat answered nothingJun 13 07:18
oiaohmGnewsence has it valid reasons for existing.Jun 13 07:18
DaemonFCeven Debian didn't have the stomach to rip GLX outJun 13 07:19
DaemonFCeven knowing about the supposed "license problem"Jun 13 07:19
Animeking>_> Debian isn't considered free by the FSF anyways lolJun 13 07:19
DaemonFCFedora didn't rip GLX outJun 13 07:19
DaemonFCnobody didJun 13 07:19
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 07:19
AnimekingFedora wants money :oJun 13 07:19
AnimekingXDJun 13 07:19
oiaohmDaemonFC:  you don't get it.Jun 13 07:19
oiaohmGnewsence is design on the idea of testing how far pure clean gets.Jun 13 07:20
DaemonFCbut if they rip something out without informaing anyoneJun 13 07:20
oiaohmIf the day happens that Gnewsence works pefectly any how even that its cut back.  Jun 13 07:20
DaemonFCthey're jsut total bastards and you're better off using something else and not trying to figure them outJun 13 07:20
DaemonFCis what I meanJun 13 07:20
DaemonFC:DJun 13 07:20
oiaohmThe parts cut out are not a problem.Jun 13 07:20
oiaohmIe Gnewsence is not designed for general usage.Jun 13 07:21
oiaohmIts a test case.Jun 13 07:21
Animeking>_> Jun 13 07:21
oiaohmDaemonFC: that is the hard thing for people to get.  Not all Linux distrobutions exist to be used some are just test cases or experments.Jun 13 07:23
Diablo-D3gnewsense is what happens when you do hard drugsJun 13 07:24
DaemonFCYay, now with his overwhelming 229 votes, he gets to go represent about a half a million people.Jun 13 07:25
DaemonFCGreat democracy we have, second to none I tells ya. *lights a cigar* :)Jun 13 07:25
DaemonFCPosted by: Ryan | June 13, 2010 at 02:20 AM Jun 13 07:25
DaemonFC-me :DJun 13 07:25
DaemonFCcommenting about Mark Souder's replacement in Congress :PJun 13 07:26
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DaemonFCthe guy that makes the add-on for Windows 7 that brings back a "classic" start menu is now demanding $20 if you use it past a 30 day trialJun 13 07:28
DaemonFCcoolJun 13 07:28
Animeking>_>Jun 13 07:28
AnimekingThats just dumbJun 13 07:28
AnimekingWho would pay for that? :|Jun 13 07:28
DaemonFCanyone not smart enough to find the offset that enables the shareware enforcement code with a hex editorJun 13 07:29
AnimekingSounds like douchebaggery for useless software no one needs :| I bet after an years usage you'd have to pay the guy another 30 bucks for another license lolJun 13 07:29
DaemonFCjust talking hypotheticals here :DJun 13 07:29
AnimekinglolJun 13 07:29
DaemonFCyou'd be surprised how braindead stupid some of these programmers are with implementing this stuffJun 13 07:31
DaemonFCsome even comment about where it's at in plain textJun 13 07:31
Animeking>_> lol...Jun 13 07:31
AnimekingHey DaemonFC Do you recommend any ebook readers?Jun 13 07:32
DaemonFCnopeJun 13 07:32
DaemonFCI use Audible personallyJun 13 07:33
DaemonFCthey have this really cool DRM that lets you record your sound card output back into a wav fileJun 13 07:33
DaemonFCand from there, encode it as a Vorbis fileJun 13 07:33
DaemonFC:DJun 13 07:33
Animeking>_>Jun 13 07:34
DaemonFCjust play through it at "Paul McCartney on crack" speed then slow it back down again when you're ready to transcodeJun 13 07:35
DaemonFC:DJun 13 07:35
Diablo-D3Animeking: most people have DaemonFC on ignore, btwJun 13 07:41
Animekingwhy is this?Jun 13 07:41
DaemonFChe's referring to himselfJun 13 07:41
Animeking>_> He doesn't seem like a douchebag to me, just seems opinionated >_> albeit, people hate hearing others opinions and think of it as being douchebaggishJun 13 07:41
DaemonFCor rather, itselfJun 13 07:42
DaemonFCAnimeking, I left the author a noteJun 13 07:45
DaemonFC:DJun 13 07:45
DaemonFChe had one of those stupid pop up "why are you uninstalling this?" pagesJun 13 07:46
AnimekinghmphJun 13 07:46
Animekingall ebooks cost over 200 bucksJun 13 07:46
DaemonFCI said "$20 to bring back a 'classic start menu' is a bit much, off to the torrent sites I go"Jun 13 07:46
DaemonFC:DJun 13 07:46
DaemonFCa lot of antivirus programs freak out and assume anything you used UPX on is a virusJun 13 08:01
schestowitzThis is hilarious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN3Ly-eCaQI&feature=digestJun 13 08:29
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- The Illuminati Control You .::. Size~: 108.14 KBJun 13 08:29
Diablo-D3schestowitz: the guy is a riotJun 13 08:33
Diablo-D3best glenn beck parody everJun 13 08:39
DaemonFCsecond bestJun 13 08:40
DaemonFCyou forgot Glenn BeckJun 13 08:40
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wILoTcgQURw&feature=digestJun 13 08:40
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DaemonFChttp://forums.clamwin.com/viewtopic.php?t=2915Jun 13 08:45
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DaemonFCAVG is now detecting Clamwin as a virusJun 13 08:45
DaemonFCschestowitz, What would have been better is if his neighbor had to chase him down and he whacked the guy over the head with the broom handleJun 13 08:52
DaemonFC"Well, looks like I got a twofer here..."Jun 13 08:52
DaemonFC:DJun 13 08:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, There's going to bs a VxD written so that ClamSentinal has Windows 9x supportJun 13 09:09
*DaemonFC barfsJun 13 09:09
DaemonFC"The programs Microsoft Security Essentials and A-Squared Anti-Malware crashed while scanning the samples."Jun 13 09:13
DaemonFClmaoJun 13 09:13
DaemonFC"The program Avast Professional uses the same engine as Avast free edition." Jun 13 09:13
DaemonFCThey also don't really seem to have a tough serial # enforcement on ProfessionalJun 13 09:14
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://www.virus.gr/portal/en/content/symantec-fakeav-world-cup-campaign-rampsJun 13 09:14
TechrightsTitle: Symantec - FakeAV World Cup Campaign Ramps Up | :: Virus.gr ::  .::. Size~: 40.6 KBJun 13 09:14
DaemonFCThe game was a disappontment, but here's some guaranteed hillarity :DJun 13 09:15
*DaemonFC has fond memories of Spybot S&DJun 13 09:17
DaemonFCif you think UAC is annoying, try using TeaTimerJun 13 09:17
DaemonFChmmm, "Malware Research Group" says ClamWin is getting close to the detection rate that OneCare was at before Microsoft axed itJun 13 09:23
DaemonFC82.3% :PJun 13 09:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] iPhone Now as Fragmented as Android - http://bit.ly/dosGKN ha! take that... #android #iphone #fragmentationJun 13 09:43
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MurlocHello people!Jun 13 09:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] “for the lolz”: 4chan is hacking the attention economy - http://bit.ly/bswnB1 well, a bit of it perhaps #4chan #hackingJun 13 09:49
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MurlocHey Roy, what's up?Jun 13 09:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Translation of #Novell ’s Statement Regarding the #SCO Case http://techrights.org/2010/06/13/statement-on-the-sco-case/Jun 13 10:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @glynmoody: twitter is world wide. As such, any hour could be a peak hour in some timezone.Jun 13 10:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Turns #MeeGo Into Another Ballnux http://techrights.org/2010/06/13/meego-mono-and-obs-as-new-host/ #mono #swpatsJun 13 10:43
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MurlocAnyway, i'll be writing an Ebook soon on how to optimize WIndows.Jun 13 10:47
Murloc(As much as it's humanly possible)Jun 13 10:47
GnuWulfmmm pera = safe browsing in windowsJun 13 10:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Bored, want to go home ...Jun 13 10:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Looking at some AROS related projects. Theres alot going on over there!Jun 13 10:57
schestowitzMurloc: heyJun 13 10:58
schestowitzFlorian: "Just saw that you used the input I gave and I'm glad you can accept my views even though of course there are differences between your approach and mine. What we clearly have in common is that if companies are hypocritical, we call them out. With Ubuntu I'm actually not surprised about their latest move, nor about your assessment of it. I agree that pretty much everything one can say against Novell can be said about Ubuntu Jun 13 10:59
schestowitzconcerning patents, and I don't remember Ubuntu ever having done anything serious to fight against software patents. If a company opposed those patents (with a lot of effort, not just lip service) *and* as an interim solution provided some indemnification, that would be OK but I don't know of anyone doing that right now. In case you're aware of such an example, please let me know. I spent a lot of time on Wednesday in Brussels with Jun 13 10:59
schestowitzactivists: Jan Husar, Benjamin Henrion, Ciarán O'Riordan. We discussed Bilski, Defensive Patent License, EU patent reform and so forth."Jun 13 10:59
schestowitzMe: I have many articles that explain what Novell has done over the years. Canonical is profoundly different, being a small company without patents.Jun 13 10:59
schestowitzFlorian: "I realize my wording was a bit unclear. I meant what they do in terms of patents as a differentiator for a GNU/Linux distribution. Apart from that, there certainly are fundamental differences between the two organizations due to size, age, focus etc."Jun 13 10:59
MurlocInteresting.Jun 13 11:03
GnuWulfodd i can not connect to google or googles other websitesJun 13 11:05
GnuWulfor even the gulf oil spill camsJun 13 11:05
GnuWulftried on 3 different computers useing different browsers etcJun 13 11:06
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schestowitz[11:05] <GnuWulf> or even the gulf oil spill camsJun 13 11:10
schestowitzYou mean, the scam onesJun 13 11:10
schestowitz?Jun 13 11:10
schestowitzThose operated by BP to underplay the severity of the issue:?Jun 13 11:11
WireWulfyupJun 13 11:11
WireWulfthe bots are on the net Jun 13 11:11
WireWulfbut i have yet to see them do shitJun 13 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right...Metal tracks for this weekend.....Jun 13 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 1 - Haggard - The Final Victory http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT-iMTlXfpI #metal #yourockonJun 13 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #VMware helps Ballnux and #Vista7 at the expense of #GNU #Linux, so Microsoft gets paid either way http://ur1.ca/07a1yJun 13 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 2 - Vintersorg - Till Fjälls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AVdMOgrVa8 #metal #yourockonJun 13 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 3 - Vintersorg - A Dialogue With the Stars http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI_8aMOqANg #metal #yourockonJun 13 11:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 4 - Nightwish - Carpenter http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVE9hZxM9tc #metal #yourockonJun 13 11:14
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WireWulfschestowitz: when you can watch as the water just below you is poisoned on the internetJun 13 11:18
WireWulfyou know you life has just became a joke to GODJun 13 11:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 5. The The - Dogs of Lust http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSNSOhG0AIU #metal #yourockon - Ok not so much metal, but a great track!Jun 13 11:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Observation: #Microsoft ‘Innovates’ Wake-on-LAN (and Renames it`Sleep Proxy’) http://ur1.ca/07a71Jun 13 11:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The vicious cleaning fluid did not get absolutely all of the black stuff off the bath. It did however remove some chrome from the taps. o_0Jun 13 11:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Japan’s bribes on whaling - http://bit.ly/9eXIJT "bribing small nations with cash and prostitutes": that's integrity (via @asteris) #japanJun 13 11:59
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schestowitzhttp://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-09/google-verizon-and-at-t-create-net-advisory-group-update1-.htmlJun 13 12:01
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schestowitzBad company to be in...Jun 13 12:01
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schestowitz"[PJ: Now this is interesting. It's the Department of Energy's page on the BP oil spill, may they rot in you know where, if there was such a place. But here's the happy news. Take a look at the file formats offered for downloading documents on the linked page. You have three choices, .pdf, .xls, .ppt and .ods. Yes. ODF is there."Jun 13 12:11
schestowitzhttp://www.energy.gov/open/oilspilldata.htmJun 13 12:11
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MinceRthree choices? :>Jun 13 12:13
MinceR"i have four words for you..."Jun 13 12:14
schestowitz"On Friday morning, John Dragoon, chief marketing officer for Novell, posted this message on Twitter: "Friday's word for the day #justice."" http://www.cio.com/article/596595/Novell_Wins_Final_Judgment_in_SCO_BattleJun 13 12:16
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schestowitzMinceR: fire in ze holl??"Jun 13 12:17
MinceRschestowitz: "i", "love", "this", "company", "yeah"Jun 13 12:17
schestowitzBP?Jun 13 12:17
MinceRnopeJun 13 12:18
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/05/31/gates-bp-post-gulf-disaster/Jun 13 12:18
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TechrightsTitle: “The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Owns Over 7 Million Shares of BP” | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.26 KBJun 13 12:18
MinceR:)Jun 13 12:18
schestowitzPJ attacks Florian again, defends IBM/OINJun 13 12:20
MinceRwho's Florian?Jun 13 12:21
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schestowitzNow FFII projectJun 13 12:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New RW category: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Bodybuilding_woo More needed.Jun 13 13:10
TechrightsTitle: Category:Bodybuilding woo - RationalWiki .::. Size~: 13.35 KBJun 13 13:10
oiaohmhttp://apple.slashdot.org/story/10/06/13/0451217/Australian-Buyers-Say-They-Were-Told-No-iPad-Without-Accessories  Here is one to follow schestowitz could turn out very interstingJun 13 13:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] The history of homicide. http://is.gd/cNDMhJun 13 13:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LPI Raises a Generation of "GNU/Linux trainers throughout the Middle East" http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/12144.htmlJun 13 13:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #GNU #Linux is the Best and Classification of Its Users http://ur1.ca/07axp http://ur1.ca/07axsJun 13 13:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Time for Device Compatibility to Explicitly Include #Linux http://ur1.ca/07ay7Jun 13 13:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Support for Desktop #GNU #Linux Used as Promotional Tool http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/06/12/creative-ways-to-make-money-using-gnulinux/Jun 13 13:47
TechrightsTitle:   Creative Ways to Make Money Using GNU/Linux at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 25.93 KBJun 13 13:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin check out the new oggcast of libre.fm (you'll like it)Jun 13 14:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux 2.6.34 in Review, 2.6.35 Now in RC3 http://ur1.ca/07b2r http://ur1.ca/07b2s http://ur1.ca/07b2t http://ur1.ca/07b2uJun 13 14:15
TechrightsTitle:    2.6.34 is Out; Lets Review |   Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 49.01 KBJun 13 14:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Next3 File System for #Linux (Ext3+snapshots) http://ur1.ca/07b31 http://ur1.ca/07b32 http://ur1.ca/07b33Jun 13 14:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Documentation Released to Help Liberate Linux' #Graphics Stack http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODMzNwJun 13 14:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Wine 1.2 Approaches Final Release (to Run Mostly Proprietary Software) http://ur1.ca/07b3gJun 13 14:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Adobe's Proprietary 'Gift' Turns Sour http://ur1.ca/07b3o http://ur1.ca/07b3p http://ur1.ca/07b3q http://ur1.ca/07adlJun 13 14:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz your wine 1.2 link is wrongJun 13 14:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] New article: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/ECA_stack Finding good sources for even a *claimed* mechanism is maddening. Tips wanted.Jun 13 14:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu 10.04 Flavours and Variants in Review: #ZorinOS 3 and #Lubuntu http://ur1.ca/07b94 http://ur1.ca/07b95Jun 13 14:50
TechrightsTitle: Zorin OS 3 Is Based on Ubuntu 10.04 - Comes with the handy Look Changer - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.37 KBJun 13 14:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kiddix Looks for Young #GNU #Linux Users http://www.kiddix-computing.com/osspromo/index.php?promo=10Jun 13 14:52
TechrightsTitle: Pay What You Want For Kiddix and Support Safe and Open Computing For Kids - 1 Week Offer! .::. Size~: 45.49 KBJun 13 14:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical Turns to #GNU #Linux as Business http://ur1.ca/06lvi http://ur1.ca/07b9y http://ur1.ca/07b9z http://ur1.ca/07ba0Jun 13 14:54
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oiaohmI have been starting to wonder something insane if google native client stuff could ever have a Linux kernel running inside it.Jun 13 14:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canonical/ #Ubuntu Plans Ahead http://ur1.ca/07bac http://ur1.ca/07bad http://ur1.ca/07bae http://ur1.ca/07bah http://ur1.ca/07baiJun 13 14:56
TechrightsTitle: Humanities: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat To Get New Icons? [Screenshots And PPA] ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 66.67 KBJun 13 14:56
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TechrightsTitle: Ubuntu Software Center Gets Visual Improvements, Launchpad Login [Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Development Updates] ~ Web Upd8 .::. Size~: 66.88 KBJun 13 14:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Cheers! I'll have a look!Jun 13 15:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I'm liking the work by F.Julian - Very Jean Michael JarreJun 13 15:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #Jolicloud #GNU #Linux on Sub-notebooks http://ur1.ca/07bfhJun 13 15:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Makes the Headlines Again, New Release of Sugar on a Stick http://ur1.ca/07bfl http://ur1.ca/07bfmJun 13 15:31
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TechrightsTitle: Sugar on a Stick OS v3.0 released | TechConnect Magazine .::. Size~: 35.06 KBJun 13 15:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Small #Tablets Running #Linux Now Go for $88 http://www.androidguys.com/2010/06/12/88-android-5inch-tablet/ via @glynmoodyJun 13 15:32
TechrightsTitle: $88 Android 5-Inch Tablet. Seriously. | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 39.72 KBJun 13 15:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] African Universities Go With Software Freedom http://www.afrol.com/articles/36296Jun 13 15:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Further Analysis of #Eclipse Survey Shows #Windows Losing to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/07bgn http://ur1.ca/07bgoJun 13 15:41
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oiaohm100 dollar devices will become real.Jun 13 15:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A #LinuxFest Kicks Off, Free/Open Source Clinical Trials Software to Appear in Another Event http://ur1.ca/07bi1 http://ur1.ca/07bi2Jun 13 15:48
TechrightsTitle: LinuxFest cranks up at Marriott today | GoUpstate.com .::. Size~: 40.89 KBJun 13 15:48
TechrightsTitle: Open Source Clinical Trials Software Featured at the 46th DIA Annual Meeting  .::. Size~: 42.13 KBJun 13 15:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Brings Out New RC of #Thunderbird http://ur1.ca/07bie http://ur1.ca/07bifJun 13 15:49
TechrightsTitle: Another release candidate for Thunderbird 'Lanikai' | The Download Blog - Download.com .::. Size~: 61.89 KBJun 13 15:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Made Faster, Better http://ur1.ca/07bis http://ur1.ca/06pba http://ur1.ca/07bitJun 13 15:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Multitouch Comes to Fennec http://phandroid.com/2010/06/10/fennec-development-moves-along-gets-multitouch/ #Mozilla #FirefoxJun 13 15:51
TechrightsTitle: FasterFox Lite Firefox Extension Gives You A Much Snappier Firefox | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 38.07 KBJun 13 15:51
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TechrightsTitle:   Firefox gets into World Cup spirit : Tectonic - The Source for Open Source News .::. Size~: 27.68 KBJun 13 15:51
TechrightsTitle: Fennec Development Moves Along, Gets Multitouch | Android Phone Fans .::. Size~: 35.72 KBJun 13 15:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Talent From #Sun Finds Other Free Software Projects After #Oracle http://ur1.ca/07bj6 http://ur1.ca/07bj8Jun 13 15:53
TechrightsTitle:     Liferay open source portal gets some Sun - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 109.32 KBJun 13 15:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LLVM Guy Gets an IGPLAN Award, Other #BSD News http://ur1.ca/07bjs http://ur1.ca/07bjtJun 13 15:58
TechrightsTitle: Chris Lattner gets first SIGPLAN award for LLVM work [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.35 KBJun 13 15:58
TechrightsTitle: Interesting FreeBSD related projects: FreeWDE, mfsBSD and easyBSD | FreeBSD - the unknown Giant .::. Size~: 38.5 KBJun 13 15:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Speaking as a Solaris admin of nine years, I must reluctantly agree: Time to jump ship. http://is.gd/cNKNYJun 13 16:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman Reconciles Software Freedom With Amended #Copyrights http://ur1.ca/07bliJun 13 16:08
TechrightsTitle: Digital Citizen : Richard Stallman wants users to have software freedom for all published computer software. .::. Size~: 46.96 KBJun 13 16:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Public Licence is Being Updated and Licensing Changes Open to Public http://lawandlifesiliconvalley.com/blog/?p=459Jun 13 16:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Brazil Found Digital Freedom in #GNU #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/06/11/brazil-is-free/Jun 13 16:12
TechrightsTitle: Law & Life: Silicon Valley » Modifications to Mozilla Public License: Join the Party and Comment! .::. Size~: 25.25 KBJun 13 16:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness and #Sharing Promoted in #India to Save Indian Lives http://ur1.ca/07bm9 Abundance is good: http://ur1.ca/07bmaJun 13 16:13
TechrightsTitle: India's tuberculosis genome project under fire : Nature News .::. Size~: 207.24 KBJun 13 16:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Happy birthday pellet waster with Jellyfish RT @wywei6: had a great day with @McJesterberry @yoonkit at #mapaacJun 13 16:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] very sad, I didn't get any comment/feedback on svg animation project which i started recently. :(Jun 13 16:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard oops. It isJun 13 16:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin same hereJun 13 16:42
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schestowitzbblJun 13 16:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IDSBox Mini is Powered by #Linux http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/backup-devices/358417/idsbox-miniJun 13 16:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Wins for #GNU #Linux in #Servers and #HPC http://ur1.ca/07bso http://ur1.ca/06ycb http://ur1.ca/07bsrJun 13 16:58
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TechrightsTitle: Which Linux-powered behemoth is the world's top supercomputer? | Linux and Open Source | TechRepublic.com .::. Size~: 64.86 KBJun 13 16:59
TechrightsTitle:    Low Cost/Power HPC  |   Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 45.41 KBJun 13 16:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | Cheating Squared | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/3af7zvgJun 13 17:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] #nowplaying RMS Audio on Copyright vs Community http://audio-video.gnu.org/audio/#LIANZANEWZ2009 #rms #copyrightJun 13 17:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FFII eating and drinking at Microsoft´s LinuxTag booth: http://ur1.ca/07byjJun 13 17:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Computer programs as such (i.e. systems that solve data processing problems) are patentable in Germany: http://ur1.ca/07bytJun 13 17:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Having dinner at my parents house....bbq.....Jun 13 17:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Weekly Links #11 http://goo.gl/fb/Id00aJun 13 17:56
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DaemonFChttp://www.clamav.net/lang/en/about/win32/Jun 13 18:09
DaemonFChehJun 13 18:09
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DaemonFCI missed this oneJun 13 18:09
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Comment Policy now in effect - http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=727Jun 13 18:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♻ @joi A "computer glitch" caused my immigration failure apparently | the irony!Jun 13 18:14
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DaemonFChmm, 15 MB of RAM use for ClamAV for WIndows, with real time scanning enabledJun 13 18:27
DaemonFCthat's not badJun 13 18:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Larry Lessig has just published two great talks and he says "GNU Linux" http://ur1.ca/07cad http://ur1.ca/07cagJun 13 18:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Larry Lessig decided to block <embed> (mashup)... hypocrisy?Jun 13 19:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab is that Pilch on the left?Jun 13 19:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Heading to @berkeleylug Linux Showcase at @zareason for a meeting of @partimus volunteersJun 13 19:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Linux/FOSS Audiocasts: Linux Outlaws, CAOS Theory, Tuxradar http://ur1.ca/07cfd http://ur1.ca/07cfe http://ur1.ca/07cfgJun 13 19:27
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TechrightsTitle: Podcast Season 2 Episode 10 | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 27.86 KBJun 13 19:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Introduces Chromoting for #Linux http://ur1.ca/07cff http://ur1.ca/07cfh http://ur1.ca/07cfi http://ur1.ca/07cfkJun 13 19:29
TechrightsTitle:    Chromoting: ChromeOS to run traditional applications? - Google 24/7 - Fortune Tech .::. Size~: 51.72 KBJun 13 19:29
TechrightsTitle: Chrome OS to run legacy PC applications remotely using Chromoting – Computer Chips & Hardware Technology | Geek.com .::. Size~: 55.05 KBJun 13 19:30
TechrightsTitle: Google Chrome OS to Be Able to Run ‘Remote’ Native Apps - Through a feature dubbed "chromoting" - Softpedia .::. Size~: 49.53 KBJun 13 19:30
TechrightsTitle:  Chrome OS Is All About the Ads  .::. Size~: 28.91 KBJun 13 19:30
MinceRr4wrJun 13 19:35
*DaemonFC chromotes MinceR Jun 13 19:39
DaemonFCsounds painfulJun 13 19:39
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 19:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] @schestowitz Excellent Videos, but Larry has used MAC OS - see timing - 03:24Jun 13 19:41
*MinceR is immune to chromotionJun 13 19:45
*DaemonFC initiates Chromographacation Sequence on MinceR Jun 13 19:47
DaemonFCB-)Jun 13 19:47
DaemonFCChromeOS sounds more like OS X for iPhone all the timeJun 13 19:48
DaemonFCwith the difference of actually running on more than one phoneJun 13 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Next distro: Openmamba...whilst its KDE might not instantly appeal to me (Im not a fan of KDE), I should really give it another go.Jun 13 19:50
DaemonFChttp://mashable.com/2010/06/13/ipod-touch-marijuana-ipad-craigslist/Jun 13 19:51
TechrightsTitle: Pair Arrested for Trying to Trade iPod Touch and Marijuana for iPad on Craigslist .::. Size~: 82.36 KBJun 13 19:51
*DaemonFC throws the iPod Touch in the trashJun 13 19:52
DaemonFCgood trade :)Jun 13 19:52
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sebsebsebHiJun 13 19:54
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jbGWxryxkvUUxHdPWy7VYjKiDIKwD9GAG2D00Jun 13 19:55
TechrightsTitle: The Associated Press: Space probe returns to Earth from trip to asteroid .::. Size~: 17.42 KBJun 13 19:55
*DaemonFC has seen that movieJun 13 19:55
DaemonFCMinceR, go poke the gelatonous goo with a stick would you?Jun 13 19:55
DaemonFC:DJun 13 19:55
DaemonFC"and the malfunctioning of electricity-storing batteries"Jun 13 19:56
DaemonFCgood thing they specified that batteries store electricityJun 13 19:57
DaemonFCwouldn't want to confuse peopleJun 13 19:57
MinceRcould have been cannon batteriesJun 13 19:59
DaemonFChttp://twitter.com/MSEurope/status/15838998934Jun 13 20:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya he always doesJun 13 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] K Desktop Environment Makes Strong Appearance in #LinuxTag http://ur1.ca/07cqj http://ur1.ca/07cql #KDEJun 13 20:25
TechrightsTitle: KDE: Join the Game or Watch the Game? | ITworld .::. Size~: 88.15 KBJun 13 20:25
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schestowitzMinceR: for the hypePad?Jun 13 20:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Leads #GNU #Linux Further Into Desktops, Chrome Frame Debuts http://ur1.ca/07cqi http://ur1.ca/07cqk http://ur1.ca/07cqnJun 13 20:26
TechrightsTitle: The coming Linux shakeout | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 134.74 KBJun 13 20:26
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TechrightsTitle: Chrome Frame beta boosts security, browser integration .::. Size~: 31.32 KBJun 13 20:27
schestowitzMinceR: You could break the screen with a penJun 13 20:27
schestowitzAlthough I read that Dell's upcoming android phone/tablet is quite unbreakable, even with a good penJun 13 20:27
MinceRif it's dell, it will break itselfJun 13 20:29
MinceRalso, who says it's unbreakable? dell? remember that my craptop was claimed to be RoadReady yet it fell apart in normal use.Jun 13 20:29
schestowitzhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/tech-industry-analysis/rails-founder-ballmer-has-turned-microsoft-gorilla-buffoon-652Jun 13 20:32
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schestowitzThis one is for Ryan: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/06/07/united-airlines-switches-to-microsoft-zune-channel.aspxJun 13 20:35
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schestowitzHis fantasy: being on this flight listening to Zune music, seated next to the buffoon he loves so muchJun 13 20:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop: Activity Journal and Theme Recommendations http://ur1.ca/07ct2 http://ur1.ca/06ug9Jun 13 20:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora #GNU #Linux (Linpus) Based #Television Comes, Memories of Linux Wristwatches http://ur1.ca/07ct3 http://ur1.ca/07ct7Jun 13 20:44
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MinceRhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism_treadmill#Euphemism_treadmillJun 13 20:46
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schestowitzre Lessig:Jun 13 20:48
schestowitz"unsurprisingly- member of fsf, winner of fsf award, author of introduction to stallman's book, credits fsf with inspiring cc... (but still good to note of course)"Jun 13 20:48
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/142696Jun 13 20:48
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schestowitzMaybe jono will get an FSF award one day, despite ambushing me :-)Jun 13 20:48
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/142700 "@schestowitz on youtube? are you sure he had any say in the matter? i suspect their system automatically blocks embed on media that matches other media that blocks embed- it's automated, so mashups could trigger it if that's the case"Jun 13 20:49
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schestowitz I reckon the length of his video was the causeJun 13 20:49
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/142708 "for that reason, i tend not to link to any videos that forbid embed- also they are usually filtered by country, which i think is like breaking the internet- for lessig would i make an exception? very likely, but i don't have to be happy about it"Jun 13 20:50
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schestowitz"second link, at zdnet, "The top 10 of Linux still features such outfits as CentOS, Slackware, and *FreeBSD*" <- WTF?!"Jun 13 20:50
schestowitzI wrote about that blooper yesterdayJun 13 20:50
schestowitzDana BlankernhornJun 13 20:51
schestowitz" @schestowitz does the guy even know what he's writing about? FreeBSD among "Linux outfits"? jeez." http://identi.ca/conversation/35886724#notice-36086357Jun 13 20:51
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schestowitz:-DJun 13 20:51
cubezzzany know a way of entering "tab" key when your tab key doesn't work?Jun 13 20:51
schestowitzOwnedJun 13 20:51
schestowitzHmm.. http://identi.ca/conversation/35889180#notice-36087740Jun 13 20:52
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schestowitz"i didn't know that would matter (then again, i didn't know it wouldn't, either)"Jun 13 20:52
schestowitzDoes anyone here do YouTube?Jun 13 20:52
schestowitzI think DaedonFC doesJun 13 20:52
schestowitzI reckon long videos block the embed option or somethingJun 13 20:52
MinceRcubezzz: ctrl+i?Jun 13 20:54
cubezzzumm, nopeJun 13 20:54
cubezzzI need it to work in bashJun 13 20:54
cubezzzthat will work on newer linux, but doesn't seem to work in older linux :-/Jun 13 20:55
cubezzzactually it does work, but I don't want tab completion, I want it to actually do a tabJun 13 20:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just built Shotwell 0.5.2 and giving it a run. It will be interesting to see the package Canonical dumped F-spot for. #linux #mono #fossJun 13 20:56
MinceRctrl+v, tab or ctrl+v, ctrl+iJun 13 20:57
cubezzzisn't there a way to enter the scan code?Jun 13 20:57
cubezzze.g. ctrl-61 generates an "a"Jun 13 20:57
cubezzzsorry, I mean alt-61 generates an "a"Jun 13 20:58
MinceRdunnoJun 13 20:58
cubezzzalt-0f would have worked, except the "f" key doesn't work eitherJun 13 21:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reports say that xbox may be on its death throes. Will post about it tomorrow...Jun 13 21:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin are you upset because of someone else who participates in IRC?Jun 13 21:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Goes With #Linux Built-in Hypervisor, Company Worth Billions http://ur1.ca/07cvt http://ur1.ca/07cvv http://ur1.ca/07cvyJun 13 21:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Embedded / #Devices With #Linux Only http://ur1.ca/07cvu http://ur1.ca/07cvw http://ur1.ca/07cvzJun 13 21:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] On my way home home from #selinuxfest I got food poisoning. :-( Last 24hrs has not been much fun.Jun 13 21:04
schestowitzjono: so it was kind of crap?Jun 13 21:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Not upset. Merely want to distance myself from that behaviour. I meant to send you an email, been very busy though...Jun 13 21:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I know. But it's not my personal behaviour, is it? I don't want to be part of fights I cannot resolve.Jun 13 21:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Not at all.. Its nothing to do with TR or you. Its not a fight either. I still read TR and your tweets.Jun 13 21:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Reviews of #MeeGo 1.0 on Phones, Other News http://ur1.ca/07cxo http://ur1.ca/07cxs http://ur1.ca/07cxt http://ur1.ca/07cxuJun 13 21:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia #N900 Spreads to India, Reviewed; #Linux Beats Microsoft at Mobile http://ur1.ca/07cxn http://ur1.ca/07cxp http://ur1.ca/07cxqJun 13 21:17
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cubezzzMinceR, I'm using jwmJun 13 21:18
cubezzzJoe's Window ManagerJun 13 21:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz and in anycase, its forgotten about now. Im not interested in that issue and by the looks of things niether is anyone else.Jun 13 21:18
MinceRlooks like icewmJun 13 21:19
MinceRonly with less functionality :>Jun 13 21:19
cubezzzyeah this could be the lightest of the lightJun 13 21:20
MinceRlighter than twm? :>Jun 13 21:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin it's not the first time that two readers get into an argument and one walks away... nothing I can do about itJun 13 21:21
cubezzzit's weird, but I don't seem to even have a video driverJun 13 21:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Liebes #ZDF - das mit dem Reichsparteitag im Live-Kommentar bitte nochmal erklaeren. Habe ich nicht verstanden. War fehl am Platz IMHO.Jun 13 21:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive got a Diary product named after me! Great stuff, they must be readers of Openbytes! http://twitpic.com/1wjxx5Jun 13 21:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of #PuppyLinux 5 (Long) and #Gentoo #Linux (Short) http://ur1.ca/07cyf http://ur1.ca/07cyiJun 13 21:23
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DaemonFCschestowitz, You ever wonder why Microsoft makes you sign a theme?Jun 13 21:24
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DaemonFCand why it's been made so trivial to crack through that?Jun 13 21:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Critical Reviews of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/07cye http://ur1.ca/07cyg http://ur1.ca/07cyhJun 13 21:24
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MinceRbecause they wanted to sell themes and because they're retarded?Jun 13 21:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: don't know about itJun 13 21:25
DaemonFCis it some kind of thing where they're on the take with those third party "theming engines"?Jun 13 21:25
schestowitzIt's too internal for meJun 13 21:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Theres no blame to be apportioned here. I still read TR and your tweets. I'll let others decide who has the moral highground.Jun 13 21:25
*schestowitz loves KDE4 themesJun 13 21:25
DaemonFCschestowitz, Ever since Windows XP, and on through to 7, you have to either replace a system file or three or run a service that patches the files in memoryJun 13 21:26
DaemonFCotherwise a theme file needs to be signedJun 13 21:26
DaemonFCor else Windows will refuse to apply itJun 13 21:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @moryan: #GameofThrones trailer debuts Sunday night before #TrueBlood on @HBO. What I've heard about the clip: http://bit.ly/aNTUZ6Jun 13 21:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] #Disney should do a collaborative fan-cannon site called MickeypediaJun 13 21:26
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DaemonFCsomething that's jsut always bugged me, schestowitz Jun 13 21:27
schestowitzNot me...Jun 13 21:27
schestowitzI don't use that stuffJun 13 21:27
schestowitzAbandon VIsta 7 alreadyJun 13 21:27
DaemonFCI believe Microsoft has crippled the theming engines so that you have to buy third party softwareJun 13 21:27
schestowitzOr Vista 'server edition'Jun 13 21:27
cubezzzit's running Xvesa to do the video stuffJun 13 21:27
MinceRwhat exactly makes themes "system files"?Jun 13 21:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I hope you understand that, based on past experience, me getting involved in any way would not be of any useJun 13 21:27
DaemonFCMinceR, uxtheme.dll is the one that needs to be patched no matter whatJun 13 21:28
DaemonFC"User Experience Themes data linking library"Jun 13 21:28
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 21:28
MinceRlolJun 13 21:28
MinceRsurprisingly they somehow left an entire word in the name of that dllJun 13 21:28
schestowitzdell?Jun 13 21:28
DaemonFCit's a system service that stands in the back behind whatever theming engine that version of Windows usesJun 13 21:28
MinceRsomeone must have been asleep at the Arcane Acronym Enforcement DepartmentJun 13 21:28
MinceRschestowitz: not hell, DLLJun 13 21:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I wouldn't want you to get involved. This was a difference in opinion between two people. Like I say its not important.Jun 13 21:28
DaemonFCand makes sure the msstyle or themepack has a signatureJun 13 21:28
DaemonFCfrom MicrosoftJun 13 21:29
MinceR(AAEDX32)Jun 13 21:29
schestowitzDLLL (pronounced DLL hell)Jun 13 21:29
DaemonFCAAEDX64.dll, you can find it in the WinSxS folderJun 13 21:29
DaemonFCnyaaaah!Jun 13 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I am perfectly capable of dealing with things myself and it could be said this started by someone else "butting in."Jun 13 21:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, "Windows Side By Side"Jun 13 21:30
DaemonFCis what WinSxS stands forJun 13 21:30
DaemonFCit bascially has a 32-bit sounterpart to every 64-bit dll on the x64 edition of WindowsJun 13 21:30
DaemonFCit could be likened to the 32-bit so files you need on LinuxJun 13 21:30
DaemonFC:DJun 13 21:30
DaemonFC*.soJun 13 21:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin OK, keep blogging; that too helps us out in terms of inputJun 13 21:30
DaemonFCWindows programs tend to complain about the missing dll they need in an error boxJun 13 21:31
DaemonFCin Linux, you have to watch the verbose output to a terminalJun 13 21:31
DaemonFCthen ask Yum or dpkg what provides that .so fileJun 13 21:31
DaemonFCand hope it's in the repositoryJun 13 21:31
DaemonFCthe version that your program needsJun 13 21:31
DaemonFCin Windows, you already know the name of the file it wants and just go to some dll site that hands it out :PJun 13 21:32
DaemonFCYou're much mor elikely to run into dependency hell on Linux, at least when you're using software that's not a part of that distributionJun 13 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Will do. Of course if ever you float around spotchat.org Im in there and in #Libre.fm on freenode!Jun 13 21:32
DaemonFCif you never ever ever use anything that's not in the repo, you'll never trip over a missing .soJun 13 21:33
schestowitz[21:30] <DaemonFC> is what WinSxS stands forJun 13 21:33
DaemonFCbut most people won't ever be so luckyJun 13 21:33
schestowitzNot "Windows S***s"?Jun 13 21:33
MinceRDaemonFC: try it on a server and tell me how the error boxes work out for you.Jun 13 21:33
MinceRyes, it secretly stands for Windows SuckSJun 13 21:33
DaemonFCMinceR, The neat thing on my Windows Server 2008 R2 system is that the files that things bitch about can be kidnapped from Windows 7Jun 13 21:33
DaemonFCpretty much any time it occurs B-)Jun 13 21:33
MinceRirrelevantJun 13 21:33
DaemonFCMinceR, "Someone" made a list of all the common Windows 7 dlls that aren't to be found in Server that lots of apps complain about, wrapped them up in a 7z archive and put them on a torrent siteJun 13 21:34
DaemonFC"someone" Jun 13 21:34
DaemonFCB-)Jun 13 21:34
DaemonFCone interesting case is that Games For Windows bullshitJun 13 21:35
MinceRbecause winblows warez is what you want to be running on a serverJun 13 21:35
MinceRobviouslyJun 13 21:35
DaemonFCthere's some dlls that Games Explorer uses that games will complain are not there on ServerJun 13 21:35
schestowitzwindows qualifies as warezJun 13 21:35
DaemonFCso you must copy them over from Windows 7Jun 13 21:35
schestowitzAt least in poor countriesJun 13 21:35
schestowitzThey criminalize Windows useJun 13 21:35
DaemonFCeven though that does not give you Games ExplorerJun 13 21:35
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 21:36
schestowitzAnd they push (As in pusher) it to schoo kidsJun 13 21:36
DaemonFCschestowitz, I managed to patch Clam Sentinal so that it informs Windows of its operational statusJun 13 21:36
DaemonFCand sent that into the guy maintaining the project B-)Jun 13 21:36
DaemonFCthat way you won't get "zomg!!You need antivirus!!!!" balloons while it's running :DJun 13 21:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lesser Known Linux Devices: Dual-screen eReader, Robotics, Network Camera http://ur1.ca/07d0h http://ur1.ca/07d0i http://ur1.ca/07d0kJun 13 21:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz in one of those critical reviews of #Ubuntu #GNU/!Linux a security feature is idiotically c … http://identi.ca/notice/36092276Jun 13 21:37
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schestowitz"in one of those critical reviews of !Ubuntu !GNU/!Linux a security feature is idiotically criticized. No exec bit on downloads."Jun 13 21:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra I know, I just wanted to draw attention to itJun 13 21:38
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cubezzzok, this keyboard is just too muchJun 13 21:39
DaemonFCI also made it to where it starts freshclam.exe every time Clam Sentinal startsJun 13 21:39
DaemonFCand pings for the latest daily.cvdJun 13 21:40
DaemonFC:DJun 13 21:40
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.disnology.com/2010/06/13/demi-lovato-performing-this-is-me-microsoft-store-opening-june-12-2010/Jun 13 21:40
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DaemonFCI also made a whitelist of file types a virus can't hide inJun 13 21:41
DaemonFCso daily scans will pass over things like FLAC files :)Jun 13 21:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #INQ Goes All #Linux http://ur1.ca/07d1p http://ur1.ca/07d1q #androidJun 13 21:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Universe Expands Well Beyond #Google http://ur1.ca/07d1r http://ur1.ca/07d1s http://ur1.ca/07d1tJun 13 21:43
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I've been tinkering with ClamWinJun 13 21:43
DaemonFCfound it's not near as bad as those commercial antivirus testing outfits say it isJun 13 21:43
DaemonFCit's at least on par with Security EssentialsJun 13 21:43
DaemonFCactually, it's betterJun 13 21:43
DaemonFCcause Security Essentials sometimes crashes if it's going over my "zoo"Jun 13 21:44
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 21:44
DaemonFCand dead antivirus won't protect you from anything :DJun 13 21:44
schestowitzDaemonFC: I don't care about AVJun 13 21:46
schestowitzJust as I don't care so much about codec internalsJun 13 21:46
DaemonFCI've just found "different results"Jun 13 21:46
DaemonFCmakes me think that the money coming in is making their tests more geared to predeterminismJun 13 21:47
schestowitzAV industry is corruptJun 13 21:47
schestowitzA solution in search of probelmsJun 13 21:47
schestowitzSnake oil, FUD, and exploitation of bad pressJun 13 21:48
schestowitzI don't care about them so muchJun 13 21:48
schestowitzAs for codecs, we need Commons thereJun 13 21:48
schestowitzIdeally Theora, but Google butts in with its "we do Sainthood" thingJun 13 21:48
DaemonFCVP8 is superiorJun 13 21:48
schestowitzI have a post about it tomorrowJun 13 21:49
DaemonFCthe license is equally free if not moreJun 13 21:49
schestowitzFlorian Mueller is mailing me a lot of exclusive stuffJun 13 21:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: did you test them?Jun 13 21:49
DaemonFCsometimes things fall from the sky that are better than what you spent years fine tuningJun 13 21:49
DaemonFCit's the exception, not the ruleJun 13 21:49
schestowitzOr rely on other benchies?Jun 13 21:49
cubezzza solution in search of problems lolJun 13 21:50
cubezzzI like thatJun 13 21:50
DaemonFCdenial comes before acceptance, schestowitz Jun 13 21:50
DaemonFCnobody wants to believe they wasted their time working on VP3/TheoraJun 13 21:50
cubezzzAV keeps your cpu nice and warmJun 13 21:50
DaemonFCso they'll find corner cases where Theora gives better resultsJun 13 21:50
DaemonFCthe right choice at this time is to ditch Theora and going back to VorbisJun 13 21:51
DaemonFCit's been rather badly neglectedJun 13 21:51
DaemonFCtheir choice right now is working on the dead end, helping out with VP8, or concentrating on VorbisJun 13 21:51
DaemonFCI have no doubt that they'll try to continue pushing Theora over some trumped up reason or another to satisfy their own egoJun 13 21:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @brotherred No #Meego for the #N900? I read that #Maemo development had stopped now. >> it has. Nokia brings dying platform to IndiaJun 13 21:53
DaemonFCFOSS is not immune from human nature, sometimes it brings out the worst in people intentionally or notJun 13 21:54
MinceRproviding an alternative isn't going to kill anybodyJun 13 21:54
cubezzzno way FOSS is awesomeJun 13 21:54
DaemonFC"You mean I just spent 6 years fixing this shit so it gives halfway decent results most of the time, and now you just buy a company and GIVE us something better!!!???"Jun 13 21:54
schestowitzTheora is happy about VP8Jun 13 21:54
schestowitzMonty wrote about it fastJun 13 21:54
schestowitzGoogle also funded theora for ARM IIRCJun 13 21:54
MinceRyou mean Xiph is? :>Jun 13 21:54
schestowitzMaybe Google will hire them with their workJun 13 21:54
schestowitzTo mergeJun 13 21:55
cubezzzyou want good FOSS, write your ownJun 13 21:55
schestowitzI'm sort of guessingJun 13 21:55
DaemonFCthat would be a good thingJun 13 21:55
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 21:55
schestowitzGoogle can make vp8 ogg compatibleJun 13 21:55
schestowitzAdd some extra code in thereJun 13 21:55
DaemonFCyeah, Google open sourced VP8 for its own selfish reasonsJun 13 21:55
schestowitzTrueJun 13 21:55
DaemonFCjust like Linus started Linux for his own reasonsJun 13 21:55
schestowitzit mustJun 13 21:55
DaemonFCdoes not make it "evil"Jun 13 21:55
schestowitzInvestors and allJun 13 21:55
schestowitzBut...Jun 13 21:55
schestowitzIt can be helpful to us Linux usrrsJun 13 21:55
schestowitz[Not ryan]Jun 13 21:55
DaemonFCthere's no doubt it will work just fine on WindowsJun 13 21:56
DaemonFClike FirefoxJun 13 21:56
DaemonFCor VLCJun 13 21:56
DaemonFCor HandbrakeJun 13 21:56
DaemonFCor GimpJun 13 21:56
DaemonFCor OOoJun 13 21:56
DaemonFC...Jun 13 21:56
DaemonFCor most things for that matterJun 13 21:56
DaemonFC(Which also work fine on OS X)Jun 13 21:56
schestowitzCommonsJun 13 21:56
schestowitzCompanies for common goodJun 13 21:56
schestowitzMPEG-LA=cartelJun 13 21:56
schestowitzParasiteJun 13 21:57
DaemonFCthere's no reason to FUD something over having a Windows portJun 13 21:57
DaemonFCeven RMS won't go that farJun 13 21:57
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 21:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Libre.fm - Check it out, a great new Podcast showcasing some fantastic music. #foss #free #musicJun 13 21:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android 2.2 Reviewed, a Look at Apps http://ur1.ca/07d49 http://ur1.ca/07d4b http://ur1.ca/07d4e http://ur1.ca/07d4fJun 13 21:57
TechrightsTitle: Android app controls Arduino devices via Bluetooth - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 56.51 KBJun 13 21:58
TechrightsTitle: android spy apps | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 27.57 KBJun 13 21:58
TechrightsTitle: BD remote for android available soon | Handle With Linux .::. Size~: 26.77 KBJun 13 21:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Linux / #Android Devices from #Sony Ericsson, #Acer , #Motorola http://ur1.ca/07d48 http://ur1.ca/07d4a http://ur1.ca/07d4dJun 13 21:58
TechrightsTitle: Upcoming Android Smart Phones from Sony Ericsson | Moby1 blog .::. Size~: 21.46 KBJun 13 21:59
TechrightsTitle: Acer spins Android dual-boot netbook and Ferrari phone - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 56.66 KBJun 13 21:59
TechrightsTitle: 2GHz Android phone coming, Motorola chief says - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 60.95 KBJun 13 21:59
DaemonFCschestowitz, What's amusing is the Firefox bad plugins blacklister thing that came in 3.5 I believeJun 13 22:03
DaemonFCIE has had this ability for many yearsJun 13 22:03
DaemonFCkillbitsJun 13 22:03
MinceRm$ made it necessary in ff, did they not? :>Jun 13 22:05
DaemonFCnot reallyJun 13 22:05
DaemonFCbad plugins with lots of holes didJun 13 22:05
DaemonFCFlash, Silverlight, Java, etc.Jun 13 22:05
DaemonFCthe only useful one in that list is still Flash, and that's not because it's a good plug-in, it's jsut because a lot of sites demand itJun 13 22:06
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/08/bp_buys_oil_spill_keywords/Jun 13 22:06
TechrightsTitle: BP grabs 'oil spill' keywords on Google • The Register .::. Size~: 29.76 KBJun 13 22:06
DaemonFCClickToFlash keeps it muzzled most of the time :)Jun 13 22:06
MinceRso does NoScriptJun 13 22:07
MinceRthough it's somewhat annoying to have Trash applets enabled along with JS crapJun 13 22:07
DaemonFCif you install Flash, Silverlight, or Java, and/or all of them, you've increased the attack surface of the browser exponentiallyJun 13 22:07
DaemonFCFirefox on its own is nowhere near that dangerousJun 13 22:07
DaemonFCIt's one reason I set killbits to keep anything from loading Java or Silverlight or even trying to install themJun 13 22:08
DaemonFCFirefox doesn't let you control that thoughJun 13 22:08
DaemonFCin IE it's a simple operationJun 13 22:08
DaemonFCFirefox should implement a feature like thatJun 13 22:09
DaemonFCcall it "User Plugin Control"Jun 13 22:09
DaemonFCmake it part of the browserJun 13 22:09
DaemonFCthat way everything outside of the browser, including Windows itself must immediately stop installing trojan horse plug-ins into Firefox that the user did not wantJun 13 22:09
*Thrae has quit (Read error: Operation timed out)Jun 13 22:10
DaemonFCFirefox just loads anything that gets thrown into the plugins folderJun 13 22:10
DaemonFCsilentlyJun 13 22:10
DaemonFCnever informing the userJun 13 22:10
DaemonFCnever asking the user if they wanted itJun 13 22:10
DaemonFCin that case, it's about like IE 6Jun 13 22:10
DaemonFCIt should say "The following new plugins are installed, Firefox has stopped them from loading in order to ask you if it's OK. How should Firefox proceed?"Jun 13 22:11
DaemonFCInstead they just let all the trojans loadJun 13 22:11
DaemonFCsilentlyJun 13 22:11
DaemonFCnever informing the userJun 13 22:11
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Sony and Other Companies Construct #Linux Tablets to Beat #hypePad http://ur1.ca/07d5x http://ur1.ca/07d5z http://ur1.ca/07d61Jun 13 22:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Tablets Running Full #GNU #Linux Are Coming http://ur1.ca/07d5w http://ur1.ca/07d5y http://ur1.ca/07d60Jun 13 22:11
TechrightsTitle: Sony preps an Android-powered plan to seize Apple's iPad tablet crown | 9 to 5 Mac .::. Size~: 46.74 KBJun 13 22:12
TechrightsTitle: VIA's WonderMedia decorates Computex with ARM 9-powered, Android 1.6 tablets -- Engadget .::. Size~: 192.27 KBJun 13 22:12
TechrightsTitle: Chinese Telco To Launch iPad Look Alike In OZ - Smarthouse .::. Size~: 142.71 KBJun 13 22:12
TechrightsTitle: Linux tablets incoming - Pocket-lint .::. Size~: 44.64 KBJun 13 22:12
TechrightsTitle:                     Canonical wants to put ubuntu linux on tablets - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 58.08 KBJun 13 22:12
TechrightsTitle: Ubuntu Tablet OS Coming from Canonical .::. Size~: 44.26 KBJun 13 22:12
DaemonFCit's stupid and it invites and receives much abuseJun 13 22:12
DaemonFCalso, Mozilla are pushovers when they do have a chance to look over foistwareJun 13 22:15
DaemonFClike when they removed the block on those .NET extensions that no user asked forJun 13 22:15
DaemonFCthey need to grow a pair and stand up to foistware B-)Jun 13 22:15
DaemonFChey, that's catchJun 13 22:15
DaemonFC*catchyJun 13 22:15
DaemonFCAlso, Mozilla and Google themselves install their stuff in a foistware manner sometimesJun 13 22:17
DaemonFClike you'll install Daemon Tools and not only end up with some lame search hijacker that Firefox obediently loads, but now you have Chrome Jun 13 22:17
DaemonFCwhich you did not ask forJun 13 22:17
DaemonFCI fail to see how paying makers of unrelated software to carpet bomb users with Firefox or Chrome is acceptableJun 13 22:18
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:19
schestowitzDaemon Tools?Jun 13 22:19
DaemonFCyesJun 13 22:19
schestowitzDaemonXP?Jun 13 22:19
DaemonFCgood programJun 13 22:19
schestowitzNoJun 13 22:19
schestowitzTrollJun 13 22:19
schestowitzYou're such a toolJun 13 22:20
DaemonFC(no relation)Jun 13 22:20
schestowitztools=daemonXP, daemonFC, daemon[other nyms]Jun 13 22:20
schestowitzHiding behind satanic namesJun 13 22:20
schestowitzLike Diablo-D3Jun 13 22:20
Diablo-D3what?Jun 13 22:21
schestowitz:-pJun 13 22:21
Diablo-D3Ive been using this since 1991 you doucheJun 13 22:21
schestowitzSatanic namesJun 13 22:21
schestowitzLa DiabloJun 13 22:21
schestowitzDiablo-D3: why not "3d"?Jun 13 22:21
schestowitzLike the games (around 97)Jun 13 22:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #TSMC Choses to Develop With Free Software, #Freshmeat to Shut Down http://ur1.ca/07d7f http://ur1.ca/0753jJun 13 22:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Reaching Everything, Gradually http://ur1.ca/07d7g http://ur1.ca/07d7i http://ur1.ca/07d7j http://ur1.ca/07d7kJun 13 22:21
TechrightsTitle:                     Tsmc hopes to develop with open source - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 56.24 KBJun 13 22:21
schestowitzI never likes Diablo 1 and 2Jun 13 22:22
TechrightsTitle: Famed freshmeat Software Listing Site Bites the Dust - Devx Blog .::. Size~: 39.43 KBJun 13 22:22
TechrightsTitle: Some day, all companies will work with open source - Open Source Insider .::. Size~: 27.38 KBJun 13 22:22
TechrightsTitle: Interview with Codec developer VK5DGR | Southgate Amateur Radio News .::. Size~: 13.11 KBJun 13 22:22
TechrightsTitle: Symbian Foundation Launches Open Source Font - Together with Monotype Imaging Holdings - Softpedia .::. Size~: 47.84 KBJun 13 22:22
TechrightsTitle: Open Source Tools in GIS  LINUX For You Magazine .::. Size~: 79.95 KBJun 13 22:22
Diablo-D3schestowitz: my nick predates blizzard entertainment.Jun 13 22:22
schestowitzI knowJun 13 22:22
schestowitzMy friends want me to play their crappy WoWJun 13 22:22
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fltTE75sui4Jun 13 22:22
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Best Of Bedazzled .::. Size~: 87.19 KBJun 13 22:22
DaemonFC:DJun 13 22:22
schestowitzI tell them I was among the first Warcraft playersJun 13 22:22
schestowitzWhen it was actually more than special effectsJun 13 22:22
schestowitzThat's how I got to know BlizzardJun 13 22:23
DaemonFCI believe Satan would take female form if it was to existJun 13 22:23
DaemonFCmuch more damage could be done as a womanJun 13 22:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: I thought you'd be more into Rocky Horror ShowJun 13 22:23
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:23
schestowitzIt has a decent sounds track... "there's a light"Jun 13 22:23
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Juhn3aog8NEJun 13 22:24
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Rocky Horror Show - Theres a Light .::. Size~: 83.16 KBJun 13 22:24
MinceRin any case, "diablo" meant "devil" even before blizzardJun 13 22:24
schestowitzoF COURSERJun 13 22:25
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2evIg-aYw8Jun 13 22:26
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Diablo Soundtrack - Tristram Village .::. Size~: 85.95 KBJun 13 22:26
DaemonFCEl Diablo es terrifico!Jun 13 22:26
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:26
DaemonFCMucho gusto!Jun 13 22:26
MinceRhttp://everything2.com/?node=Evil+is+not+the+same+as+CoolJun 13 22:27
TechrightsTitle: Evil is not the same as Cool@Everything2.com .::. Size~: 103.08 KBJun 13 22:27
DaemonFCmuy buenaJun 13 22:27
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:27
DaemonFCMinceR, I'll trade you an iPad and what's left of the marijuana I was smoking when I bought it for your soul!Jun 13 22:29
DaemonFCmuahahahahahaaa!!!Jun 13 22:29
DaemonFCshall we conclude this deal on Craigslist?Jun 13 22:29
DaemonFC:DJun 13 22:29
DaemonFC"It seemed like a good idea at the time, but then I came out of the haze and realized I bought a really overpriced Archos tablet without Flash support"Jun 13 22:30
DaemonFC:DJun 13 22:30
MinceRDaemonFC: you can't afford my soul.Jun 13 22:30
schestowitzMinceR: what's that?Jun 13 22:32
DaemonFCI thought about getting an Archos tabletJun 13 22:32
DaemonFCthey look really neatJun 13 22:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Leffe and Varnish Use #FreeSoftware as #CMS http://buytaert.net/leffe-using-drupal http://buytaert.net/varnish-using-drupal #drupalJun 13 22:32
TechrightsTitle: Leffe using Drupal | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 14.8 KBJun 13 22:32
TechrightsTitle: Varnish using Drupal | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 10.84 KBJun 13 22:33
MinceRschestowitz: what's what? :)Jun 13 22:33
schestowitzselling a soul is like selling "God"Jun 13 22:33
schestowitzIt's worthlessJun 13 22:33
DaemonFCI've heard conflicting reports about their Ogg support thoughJun 13 22:33
MinceRdepends on how you define itJun 13 22:33
schestowitzEven land on the moon in some Web site at least gives you some fake receipt you can print outJun 13 22:33
DaemonFCthe hardware looks very nice thoughJun 13 22:33
schestowitzMinceR: it might beJun 13 22:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Examples of #Linux and #FreeSoftware in #SaaS http://ur1.ca/07d91 http://ur1.ca/07d92 http://ur1.ca/07d93Jun 13 22:33
TechrightsTitle: WSO2 Launches Open-Source Cloud Platform -- Campus Technology .::. Size~: 69.21 KBJun 13 22:33
TechrightsTitle: With HP’s ePrint, new age of printing heads towards the clouds .::. Size~: 28.81 KBJun 13 22:34
MinceRschestowitz: in any case, i'm not going to sell it. ;)Jun 13 22:34
TechrightsTitle: HPs ePrint Platform Cuts Ties With Users PCs - Hardware - IT Channel News by CRN .::. Size~: 74.96 KBJun 13 22:34
schestowitzIf soul is a metophorJun 13 22:34
schestowitzLike slaveryJun 13 22:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: I'll sell you my soulJun 13 22:34
DaemonFCI sold my soul to the company store and all I got was this lousy National Labor Relations Act.Jun 13 22:34
DaemonFC:(Jun 13 22:34
schestowitz$2,99 per ounce of soulJun 13 22:34
schestowitzI can mail it to you telephaticallyJun 13 22:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] freshmeat to close down? I haven't visited it in years, but I remember the day I had time for a daily check on what's new http://is.gd/cO33sJun 13 22:34
MinceRschestowitz: what's the mass of your soul?Jun 13 22:35
TechrightsTitle: Famed freshmeat Software Listing Site Bites the Dust - Devx Blog .::. Size~: 39.43 KBJun 13 22:35
schestowitzBy mail I can send you the receiptJun 13 22:35
schestowitzOr invoiceJun 13 22:35
MinceRor was that fluid ounce?Jun 13 22:35
schestowitzFor IRSJun 13 22:35
schestowitzMinceR: noJun 13 22:35
schestowitzPlasmaJun 13 22:35
schestowitzdark matter :-)Jun 13 22:35
MinceR:)Jun 13 22:35
DaemonFCMinceR, I think he just offered to sell himself into slavery at $2.99 per ounce of body weightJun 13 22:35
MinceRicJun 13 22:35
DaemonFCthat could be a great deal or a trickJun 13 22:35
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:35
MinceRtrick or treat?Jun 13 22:35
MinceRthat's not in seasonJun 13 22:35
schestowitzDaemonFC: nopeJun 13 22:36
schestowitzMy body is made out matterJun 13 22:36
schestowitzNot "soul"Jun 13 22:36
schestowitz*out ofJun 13 22:36
DaemonFCMinceR, At that rate, you could get stuck with a really expensive fat slave that can't do anything but stay in bed and eatJun 13 22:36
schestowitzI can sell you in components if you likeJun 13 22:36
DaemonFCit's a gambleJun 13 22:36
schestowitzBut that's a lot more expensiveJun 13 22:36
DaemonFCdoes your soul use DRM?Jun 13 22:37
DaemonFCcan I put it on Limewire?Jun 13 22:37
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:37
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMEVVP7My2AJun 13 22:37
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Symphony of Science - 'We Are All Connected' (ft. Sagan, Feynman, deGrasse Tyson & Bill Nye) .::. Size~: 94.24 KBJun 13 22:37
schestowitzhttp://247wallst.com/2010/06/08/does-microsoft-still-deserve-a-aaa-rating-msft-goog-aapl-yhoo/Jun 13 22:39
TechrightsTitle: Does Microsoft Still Deserve a AAA Rating? (MSFT, GOOG, AAPL, YHOO)  24/7 Wall St. .::. Size~: 97.18 KBJun 13 22:39
schestowitz*LOL* AAAJun 13 22:39
DaemonFCGnutella was cool in like, 2001Jun 13 22:39
schestowitzHow much does that cost at Moody's for a fake recommendation?Jun 13 22:39
schestowitzWhat's their tariff like now?Jun 13 22:39
DaemonFCWhy the hell is the RIAA trying to shut it down?Jun 13 22:39
DaemonFCYou're more likely to get VD than DVD from itJun 13 22:39
DaemonFC:DJun 13 22:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Huge disparity in NHS death rates revealed - http://bit.ly/bOPhSl great demonstration of the power of data - and why we need more #opendataJun 13 22:39
TechrightsTitle:  Huge disparity in NHS death rates revealed | Society | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 65.45 KBJun 13 22:39
DaemonFCschestowitz, To mention Ed Bott for jsut a momentJun 13 22:40
schestowitzOj npJun 13 22:40
schestowitzDon't get startedJun 13 22:41
DaemonFCthat story he had posted about the Linux trojan hiding on a popular game's servers for 6 monthsJun 13 22:41
schestowitzNo!Jun 13 22:41
DaemonFCHow is that sensational?Jun 13 22:41
schestowitzNo!!Jun 13 22:41
DaemonFCeven ClamAV would have nabbed the suckerJun 13 22:41
schestowitzI try to keep my blood pressure down :0-)Jun 13 22:41
schestowitzNo Ed BoughtJun 13 22:41
DaemonFChe's right, a basic one-pass scan over the file server would have got itJun 13 22:42
DaemonFCinstead ,there's thousands of pwned Linux users who thought they were getting a legit fileJun 13 22:42
MinceRgnJun 13 22:42
DaemonFCof course it doesnn't help if there was no SHA-1 or MD5 sum posted of the legitimate downloadJun 13 22:43
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:43
DaemonFC(which there wasn't)Jun 13 22:43
DaemonFCpeople say that projects that tel lyou to MD5 sum the download before running it are jsut being analJun 13 22:44
DaemonFCobviously that's not the caseJun 13 22:44
DaemonFCof course it doesn't help when companies are still trying to install their program into /optJun 13 22:44
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:44
DaemonFCI guess you could blame anyone you wanted to over thisJun 13 22:45
DaemonFCI have a single user system, and hardcoding the installer to only instal lto /opt really pisses me offJun 13 22:46
DaemonFCit's just like the "Program Files" folder on WindowsJun 13 22:46
DaemonFCanything you install there immediately has you click OK on the UAC prompt Jun 13 22:47
DaemonFC\only on Windows it's worse, because once it's there, it can start as Administrator whenever it feels like itJun 13 22:47
DaemonFC:DJun 13 22:47
DaemonFCschestowitz, I think that distros like Ubuntu should create some kind of a demilitarized zone by defaultJun 13 22:49
schestowitzhttp://www.advertisertalk.com/microsoft-announces-pricing-of-private-offering-of-convertible-senior-notes-13065.zhtmlJun 13 22:49
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft Announces Pricing of Private Offering of Convertible Senior Notes | Advertiser Talk .::. Size~: 44.96 KBJun 13 22:49
DaemonFCand just symlink /opt to thatJun 13 22:49
DaemonFCit makes as much sense as disabling the root account and making everyone use sudoJun 13 22:50
DaemonFCdoesn't it?Jun 13 22:50
DaemonFCAnd if you say "What advantage does this give you?", you're probably an Ubuntu developerJun 13 22:51
DaemonFCGee, I don't know. What advantage do you have by not running some random program as root that claims to be a setup file?Jun 13 22:51
DaemonFC:DJun 13 22:51
DaemonFCWant to play charades?Jun 13 22:51
DaemonFC:DJun 13 22:51
DaemonFCit's a setup file alrightJun 13 22:52
schestowitz*LOL*Jun 13 22:52
schestowitzhttp://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2010/06/12/microsoft_expects_to_sell_5_million_project_natals_by_end_of_the_yearJun 13 22:52
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft expects to sell 5 million Project Natals by end of the year - AfterDawn .::. Size~: 48.7 KBJun 13 22:52
DaemonFCjust put in your sudo password and it can do anything it wants, anywhere it wants toJun 13 22:52
DaemonFC:DJun 13 22:52
schestowitzI remember thier old WinMob projectionsJun 13 22:52
schestowitz*theirJun 13 22:52
schestowitzThey have already decided what happens in the futureJun 13 22:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, I ended up symlinking /opt back to /home/ryan/optJun 13 22:53
DaemonFCfor that very reasonJun 13 22:53
schestowitzmore debt  http://blogs.forbes.com/greatspeculations/2010/06/09/microsoft-debt-issuance-makes-zero-economic-sense/Jun 13 22:53
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft Debt Issuance Makes Zero Economic Sense  «  Great Speculations - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 39.22 KBJun 13 22:53
schestowitzHave a lookJun 13 22:54
schestowitzSee if you can make sense of itJun 13 22:54
DaemonFCI don't want to install random crap from the internet with adminstrator priviliges, everJun 13 22:54
schestowitzBlechJun 13 22:54
schestowitzYou don't even unix UNIX/LinuxJun 13 22:54
DaemonFCthe fact that you still have to sometimes on Linux is an EPIC FAILJun 13 22:54
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:54
schestowitz /s/unix/use/Jun 13 22:54
schestowitzYou're a Windows fanbo1Jun 13 22:54
DaemonFCschestowitz, Tell me why we're still using /optJun 13 22:55
schestowitzhttp://www.geek.com/articles/news/microsoft-installs-new-browser-extensions-without-user-knowledge-or-consent-20100610/Jun 13 22:55
DaemonFCpleaseJun 13 22:55
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft installs new browser extensions without user knowledge or consent – Tech Products & Geek News | Geek.com .::. Size~: 55.8 KBJun 13 22:55
schestowitzDaemonFC: backward compat?Jun 13 22:55
DaemonFCexplain the need, beyond creating a pointless security problemJun 13 22:55
schestowitzcross-plat compat?Jun 13 22:55
*ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovellJun 13 22:55
DaemonFC /opt should not be something you need root access to install software toJun 13 22:56
DaemonFC /opt is evilJun 13 22:56
schestowitzhttp://www.conceivablytech.com/1260/business/microsoft-launches-misleading-scare-campaign/Jun 13 22:56
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft Launches Misleading Scare Campaign  | ConceivablyTech .::. Size~: 37.8 KBJun 13 22:57
DaemonFC /opt opens up all kinds of social engineering /optortunitiesJun 13 22:57
schestowitzDaemonFC: ok, okJun 13 22:57
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 22:57
schestowitz*sighsJun 13 22:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, Much of the layout of a *nix system predates the very concept of a computer virusJun 13 22:58
DaemonFCin fact, the first malware were made to exploit these kinds of *nix behavioral problemsJun 13 22:58
DaemonFCin fact, the first internet worm, a UNIX program, is in a museaum on the floppy disk the guy used when he was writing itJun 13 22:59
DaemonFCwhat was the name of that worm?Jun 13 22:59
DaemonFCthat's all that's really escaping me hereJun 13 22:59
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morris_wormJun 13 23:00
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Tallkenout of curiosity, you've already bashed the ZDnet blog guy saying the IRCd would've been detected by a virus scan?Jun 13 23:00
Tallken*Unreal IRCd exploitJun 13 23:00
DaemonFCTallken, One of many ways it could have been stoppedJun 13 23:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Karl Fischer From South Africa Speaks About Software Freedom, More FOSS in SA http://ur1.ca/07dcv http://ur1.ca/07dcy http://ur1.ca/07dczJun 13 23:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For chat about the Peppermint distro and everything from Amiga's to Monty Python, get over to irc.spotchat.org #peppermintJun 13 23:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Free Project Releases: Tine, Lightworks, GTK http://ur1.ca/07dd1 http://ur1.ca/07dd2 http://ur1.ca/07dd3Jun 13 23:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More new releases http://ur1.ca/07dd5 http://ur1.ca/06grsJun 13 23:00
DaemonFCHe happened to pick the one way where Windows looks more secureJun 13 23:01
TechrightsTitle: Interview: Karl Fischer  Department Of Science and Technology South Africa - Tech .::. Size~: 45.1 KBJun 13 23:01
TechrightsTitle: Top 5 ways to follow the 2010 World Cup on the go | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 68.97 KBJun 13 23:01
TechrightsTitle:   FOSS lab software targeting AIDS, malaria, cancer : Tectonic - The Source for Open Source News .::. Size~: 29.03 KBJun 13 23:01
TechrightsTitle: SYPHA - EditShare announces Beta Program For Lightworks Open Source .::. Size~: 9.18 KBJun 13 23:01
TechrightsTitle:    Facebook Open Sources Insights Script For Developers .::. Size~: 26.72 KBJun 13 23:01
DaemonFCthe most inefficient way of stopping it that would have workedJun 13 23:01
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:01
DaemonFCI still say neutering /opt and posting the correct MD5 sum could have stopped itJun 13 23:01
DaemonFCwithout any need for a virus scannerJun 13 23:02
TallkenDaemonFC: but it's NOT a virus infection! It's a friggin' backdoor which I've my doubts would be detected by any AV!Jun 13 23:02
DaemonFCTallken, I checked into itJun 13 23:02
DaemonFCClamAV would have caught itJun 13 23:02
DaemonFCeven 6 months agoJun 13 23:02
DaemonFCit wasn't new exploit code, it was just infecting something newJun 13 23:02
TallkenDaemonFC: a backdoor? how would it catch it? It's a system() callJun 13 23:03
Tallkenanyone can use a system call in a programJun 13 23:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenData Increasingly Embraced by Governments - Evidence http://ur1.ca/07ddj http://ur1.ca/07ddkJun 13 23:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess Promoted and Barriers Named (Oxford University Press, ACTA) http://ur1.ca/07ddl http://ur1.ca/07ddm http://ur1.ca/07ddoJun 13 23:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Apparently, if you have a global flood on Earth, you have one on Mars too. http://is.gd/cO4vT What. WHAT. (Not from FSTDT either.)Jun 13 23:03
TechrightsTitle: New plans to open up UK resources revealed : JISC .::. Size~: 19.92 KBJun 13 23:04
TechrightsTitle: Open Public Data are so good that it's hard to start explaining why | Stop! .::. Size~: 15.54 KBJun 13 23:04
TechrightsTitle: Blind Students Get Free Access to Cambridge U. Press Books - Wired Campus - The Chronicle of Higher Education .::. Size~: 32.25 KBJun 13 23:04
TechrightsTitle: Highly Misleading Press Release by Oxford University Press Journals  - Open Access Archivangelism .::. Size~: 36.81 KBJun 13 23:04
TechrightsTitle: The IPKat - Passionate about IP: ACTA: The Fact Controller speaks ... .::. Size~: 109.6 KBJun 13 23:04
DaemonFCunsophisticated copypastingJun 13 23:04
DaemonFCit's not exactly one of the black artsJun 13 23:04
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:04
TallkenI still don't understand how come ClamAV would've caught itJun 13 23:05
DaemonFCTallken, The correct file would have matched the MD5 sum of the original fileJun 13 23:05
DaemonFClet's go back to that oneJun 13 23:05
DaemonFCbecause it's the most obvious way to smell a ratJun 13 23:05
Tallkenno, we're talking about the AVJun 13 23:06
Tallkenwhich is what is told in a blog post of a supposed expertJun 13 23:06
DaemonFCthen there's heuristicsJun 13 23:06
Tallkenthe MD5 checksum would of course allow it to be detectedJun 13 23:06
DaemonFCmany antivirus programs look at what a file would do if it was to be allowed to actually runJun 13 23:06
Tallkenheuristics checking for a system call ?Jun 13 23:06
Tallkenthat means I can't do a system() call on a program that it will be classified as a virus?Jun 13 23:07
DaemonFCat the very least it would probably alert the user to a generic suspicious fileJun 13 23:07
DaemonFCyou don't see anything suspicious about a bot that opens up an IRC connection to a command and control server and starts DCC requests and responding to commands given in the room?Jun 13 23:09
Tallkenhave you looked at the .diff ?Jun 13 23:10
DaemonFCthe fact that there are sites out there like GNOME Look is terrifyingJun 13 23:11
DaemonFCmalware gets on there (easily) and infects many (Linux) users for months before anyone is any the wiserJun 13 23:12
Tallkenhave you looked at the .diff ?Jun 13 23:12
DaemonFCin many ways, yeah, you can get a sizeable botnet on lots of Ubuntu systems, for exampleJun 13 23:12
DaemonFCbecause nobody will bother to check if they're infectedJun 13 23:12
DaemonFCit's not like it hasn't happened alreadyJun 13 23:12
Tallkenin order to continue this discussion I need to know: have you looked at the .diff ?Jun 13 23:13
DaemonFCLinux is not immune from malware just for being LinuxJun 13 23:13
DaemonFCexplain where Bott was actually wrong about thatJun 13 23:13
DaemonFClots of Ubuntu users installing neat little theme packs and putting in their sudo credentials to install the DEB file found that outJun 13 23:14
Tallkenso, I've to assume you haven't looked at the .diffJun 13 23:14
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DaemonFCThe nice thing about Ubuntu is that it makes it so easy for the user to shoot themselves in the foot and make it look like doing so is a great ideaJun 13 23:15
DaemonFCit fosters an environment favorable to the spread of malwareJun 13 23:16
TallkenDaemonFC: have you looked at the .diff between the backdoored version and the clean version of the Unreal IRCd ?Jun 13 23:16
DaemonFCTell me this. If Ubuntu continues growing, and taking in users who think they're all invincible.Jun 13 23:17
DaemonFCIf that happens, why won't there be an antivirus market there?Jun 13 23:17
DaemonFCbecause there will be thousands of different pieces of malware for itJun 13 23:17
DaemonFCmalware spreads using the most clueless userJun 13 23:18
TallkenDaemonFC: so, have you looked at the .diff between the backdoored version and the clean version of the Unreal IRCd ?Jun 13 23:18
DaemonFCwhy do I have to?Jun 13 23:19
DaemonFCClamAV immediately says not to run itJun 13 23:19
DaemonFCI've already made that pointJun 13 23:20
DaemonFCYou're asking me how ClamAV detected it? Why do I give a shit?Jun 13 23:20
DaemonFCit doesJun 13 23:20
Tallkenhave you checked with the definitions of ClamAV 6 months ago ?Jun 13 23:20
DaemonFCI checked it without the daily cvdJun 13 23:21
DaemonFCthat pretty much removes all the signaturesJun 13 23:21
DaemonFCso yes, it still would have detected it 6 months agoJun 13 23:21
DaemonFCany half-competant antivirus program would have stopped itJun 13 23:22
TallkenI find it strange, but ok.Jun 13 23:22
DaemonFCany half-competent user would have questioned the need to run this as rootJun 13 23:22
DaemonFCany half-competent sysadmin would have posted a damned MD5 sum of the originalJun 13 23:23
DaemonFCnobody suspected anything could go wrongJun 13 23:23
DaemonFCso they all fail on each accountJun 13 23:23
DaemonFCit's just like UAC as an annoyance screen Jun 13 23:24
DaemonFCif the user doesn't ask why something needs elevated and hits OK, of course it can do anything to the systemJun 13 23:24
TallkenDaemonFC: it's a "system()" call, I don't see how an AV could have detected it, look here: http://www.google.com/codesearch?lr=&q=%22system%28%22+lang%3Ac . I find it weird you claiming it would but honestly I don't have the time to check so I'll have to take your word on it.Jun 13 23:24
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DaemonFC"Obviously, this is a very serious issue, and we're taking precautions so this will never happen again, and if it somehow does that it will be noticed quickly."Jun 13 23:27
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DaemonFCshould read "so this will never happen again (until it does)" "sorry for not paying any attention"Jun 13 23:27
DaemonFC:DJun 13 23:27
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DaemonFCschestowitz, if a loan has no interest, and matures in 3 years, and I pay them back in inflated moneyJun 13 23:39
DaemonFCI actually am being paid to take the loanJun 13 23:39
DaemonFCpeople that buy that kind of debt are the moronsJun 13 23:40
DaemonFCnot the guy issuing the bondsJun 13 23:40
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:40
DaemonFCeven the government does thisJun 13 23:40
DaemonFC"We'll sell you a bond that earns 1% interest, then pay you back next year when the money is worth 3% less than it is now"Jun 13 23:41
DaemonFC"Thanks for paying us to use your money, moron!"Jun 13 23:41
DaemonFCB-)Jun 13 23:41
DaemonFCactually, if you want an example....Jun 13 23:43
DaemonFCYou buy a $10,000 3 year bond that earns 1% APY in 2006, you cashed it in in 2009Jun 13 23:43
DaemonFCyou lost about $400Jun 13 23:44
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:44
DaemonFCthe government knows that even if they have to pay you back more money than they borrowed from you, you're still paying them more money than they borrowed even with the interestJun 13 23:44
DaemonFCbecause of inflationJun 13 23:45
DaemonFCpeople buy bonds like that because losing $400 is better than losing $600Jun 13 23:46
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:46
DaemonFCit's not an investment, it's some lubrication :PJun 13 23:46
DaemonFCpeople that don't know what a savings bond is are the people that tend to buy them thoughJun 13 23:47
DaemonFCgrandparents!!!Jun 13 23:47
DaemonFChere's an example. My grandparents bought one of those "baby bonds" from the Treasury back in 1984Jun 13 23:48
DaemonFCfor $70Jun 13 23:48
DaemonFCit laid around for 20 years before I cashed it in in 2004Jun 13 23:49
DaemonFCfor $100Jun 13 23:49
cubezzzprobably not even worth as much due to inflationJun 13 23:49
DaemonFCbingoJun 13 23:49
DaemonFCinflation says that $70 in 1984 is $126.67 in 2004Jun 13 23:49
DaemonFCso the bond stole $26.67 Jun 13 23:50
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:50
DaemonFCfrom meJun 13 23:50
DaemonFCeven though it looks like I made $30 from itJun 13 23:50
DaemonFCbut if I had $70 in a mattress for 20 years, I would have lost $56.67Jun 13 23:51
DaemonFCcubezzz, See how the game is played?Jun 13 23:51
DaemonFCYou can lose or you can REALLY loseJun 13 23:51
DaemonFCWhat great optionsJun 13 23:51
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:51
DaemonFCor you can just spend it all now on hookerbotsJun 13 23:52
DaemonFC:PJun 13 23:52
DaemonFCcubezzz, You may as well not have a savingsJun 13 23:52
DaemonFCjust spend it as it comes inJun 13 23:53
DaemonFCeven spending it on the dumbest shit at least means it's not sitting there slowly being stolen back from you invisiblyJun 13 23:53
DaemonFC:DJun 13 23:53
DaemonFCthen when you turn 67, you're the government's problemJun 13 23:53
DaemonFC:DJun 13 23:53
DaemonFCcubezzz, The only way to win is to do something extremely dishonest so as to where you're taking money in so fast that inflation isn't really killing youJun 13 23:55
DaemonFCThat's why Steve Ballmer is, the manJun 13 23:55
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:55
DaemonFChe's not selling crack cocaine yet at the same time, he is doing true evil in this world and taking in tons of cashJun 13 23:56
DaemonFCso he gets to be in the corner penthouse instead of a jail cellJun 13 23:56
DaemonFCI guess the life lesson is, lie, cheat, steal, but don't violate coded statute law.Jun 13 23:57
DaemonFCB-)Jun 13 23:57
DaemonFCBut then I can almost hear you say "But Microsoft is breaking the law!"Jun 13 23:58
DaemonFCbut when you have that much cash, it all comes down to what the definition of "is" isJun 13 23:58
DaemonFC:)Jun 13 23:58
DaemonFCit's admirable in a perverse wayJun 13 23:59

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