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DaemonFChttps://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=388195Jun 15 00:10
TechrightsTitle: Bug 388195 – Remove gopher protocol support for Firefox .::. Size~: 249.51 KBJun 15 00:11
DaemonFCToday's Minefield build is the last version of Firefox that will support GopherJun 15 00:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @nixternal: I just "Fair Payed" @jonobacon for #severedfifth. http://is.gd/cPmYx - Cool way to say "THANKS!" for great music.Jun 15 00:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Excellent! My interview with the Peppermint team is mentioned in - DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 358, 14 June 2010 http://tinyurl.com/2eha33jJun 15 00:18
TechrightsTitle: DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. .::. Size~: 89.08 KBJun 15 00:18
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schestowitz*Sigh*Jun 15 00:29
schestowitzSuch a long post................Jun 15 00:29
schestowitzWas exhausting: (emotionally too): http://techrights.org/2010/06/14/bg-increases-polio-then-relents/Jun 15 00:29
TechrightsTitle: Bill Gates Lobbies in Nigeria for Governments (Taxpayers) to Solve Polio Problem That Gates Investments in Oil Are Creating | Techrights .::. Size~: 114.06 KBJun 15 00:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, My chiropractor gave my number to some market research company with an autodialerJun 15 00:30
DaemonFCgrrrJun 15 00:30
DaemonFCwho then proceed to call me at 7 PM on a Sunday, which is oddJun 15 00:31
DaemonFCI told them to take me off the list, they told me that they don't have to comply with federal do not call laws because they don't sell stuffJun 15 00:31
DaemonFCI told them that by using the autodialer to make market research calls they were violating Indiana do not call laws and that I'd be happy to sue themJun 15 00:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gates Foundation Lobbies in #Nigeria for Governments (Taxpayers) to Solve #Polio Problem That Gates’ Investments Create http://ur1.ca/07lerJun 15 00:32
TechrightsTitle: Bill Gates Lobbies in Nigeria for Governments (Taxpayers) to Solve Polio Problem That Gates Investments in Oil Are Creating | Techrights .::. Size~: 114.06 KBJun 15 00:32
DaemonFCthey then agreed to put me on a do not call listJun 15 00:32
DaemonFCyayJun 15 00:32
DaemonFCthey probably get most people feeling helpless by stating that they're exempt from federal laws and can call you if they damned well pleaseJun 15 00:33
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 00:33
schestowitz[00:30] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, My chiropractor gave my number to some market research company with an autodialerJun 15 00:33
schestowitz*LOL*Jun 15 00:33
schestowitzChiro?Jun 15 00:33
schestowitzThat's quackeryJun 15 00:33
DaemonFCis notJun 15 00:33
schestowitzUnless they do physiotherapy under "chiro" disguiseJun 15 00:33
schestowitzIn which case they may break the lawJun 15 00:33
schestowitzMy cousin is a chiroJun 15 00:33
schestowitzBut it's not a licensed doctorJun 15 00:34
DaemonFCdoctors that prescribe muscle relaxers that make you sleep all day and then wake up with back pain anyway  is quackeryJun 15 00:34
schestowitzThey go to chiro college for like 5 years, then do the "white coat" magicJun 15 00:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: what is chiro?Jun 15 00:34
schestowitzExplain to meJun 15 00:34
schestowitzLet's see if you knowJun 15 00:34
DaemonFChell if I knowJun 15 00:35
schestowitzWithout looking up chiropractise on the webJun 15 00:35
DaemonFCThey do stuff and I feel better for a few monthsJun 15 00:35
schestowitzYou know, Stallone's  mom thinks and advocated quack beliefJun 15 00:35
DaemonFCThe doctor does stuff and I can't drive for hours after taking the pillsJun 15 00:35
DaemonFCthen I'm in pain when the pills war offJun 15 00:35
schestowitzThat different part of one's fit are connected to all organsJun 15 00:35
DaemonFC*wearJun 15 00:35
DaemonFCthe doctors are the con artistsJun 15 00:35
schestowitzAnd that you can use the sole/feet to cure all illnessJun 15 00:35
schestowitzChiro is similar, but using the spineJun 15 00:36
schestowitzMaybe they do placeboJun 15 00:36
DaemonFCit's not placeboJun 15 00:36
schestowitzMaybe they mix it with real physiotherapyJun 15 00:36
schestowitzIn which case is is not chiropractorsJun 15 00:36
DaemonFCit's the difference between extreme pain and being able to stand up and walkJun 15 00:36
DaemonFCI'll pay for thatJun 15 00:36
DaemonFCit's more than the family doctor can doJun 15 00:37
DaemonFC:PJun 15 00:37
schestowitzWhy?Jun 15 00:37
DaemonFCI don't get how it's "quackery" when it works and the "scientific approach" does notJun 15 00:37
schestowitzDoes the chrio prescribe drugs for you?Jun 15 00:37
DaemonFCand when Medicare pays for itJun 15 00:38
DaemonFCthey don't pay for things that have no medical valueJun 15 00:38
schestowitz*LOL*Jun 15 00:38
DaemonFCmedical doctors whack you up with drugs that make you sleep all dayJun 15 00:38
DaemonFCthen wear offJun 15 00:38
DaemonFCit's where people with drug addictions go to get whaked up legallyJun 15 00:38
DaemonFCthey're little better than drug dealers on the street cornerJun 15 00:39
DaemonFCin fact, they're probably more dangerousJun 15 00:39
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4042Jun 15 00:39
TechrightsTitle: Whacking, Cracking, and Chiropracting .::. Size~: 33.45 KBJun 15 00:39
schestowitzlisten to the audio if you preferJun 15 00:39
DaemonFCI'd feel safer smoking pot and sleeping all day than going to the doctor and taking pills and sleeping all dayJun 15 00:39
DaemonFCpeople that go to the doctor and take pain pills instead of going to the chiropractor are jsut drug addictsJun 15 00:40
DaemonFCit masks a problem instead of fixing itJun 15 00:40
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b0sggpDFkgJun 15 00:41
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Seinfeld - The Best Chirpractor .::. Size~: 70.73 KBJun 15 00:41
DaemonFCas the problem gets worse and worse, you have to take more and more drugs to cover it upJun 15 00:41
DaemonFCuntil finally your back is out and you can't moveJun 15 00:41
DaemonFCand now you're addicted to prescription pain killersJun 15 00:41
DaemonFCthe MDs turn a lot of decent people into drug addictsJun 15 00:42
DaemonFCit's their jobJun 15 00:42
DaemonFCthat's what they went to school and hold a license forJun 15 00:42
DaemonFCpill pushingJun 15 00:42
DaemonFCI never take pills unless there's just no other choiceJun 15 00:42
schestowitzYou sounds like homo[sic]epathic proponentsJun 15 00:43
DaemonFCI only take pain medication if I know the pain will go away and I'll heal eventuallyJun 15 00:43
schestowitzQuck pushersJun 15 00:43
schestowitz*quacksJun 15 00:43
DaemonFCpain pills don't fix you, they cover things upJun 15 00:43
DaemonFCopen ended pain with open ended need for pain pills is just not acceptableJun 15 00:44
DaemonFCwhen the cause of the pain is treatableJun 15 00:44
DaemonFCHomeopathy is quackeryJun 15 00:44
DaemonFCshow me the health insurance plan that pays for Ecchinecha Jun 15 00:44
DaemonFC:PJun 15 00:44
DaemonFC(sp?)Jun 15 00:45
DaemonFCif no insurance plan or Medicare will pay for it, you know it's a load of bullshitJun 15 00:45
DaemonFCschestowitz, There are valid uses for pain medication, doctors just never admit when they're covering a problem and not treating itJun 15 00:47
DaemonFCcause they get paid to mislead you and your insurance companyJun 15 00:47
DaemonFCI'd rather go to the chiropractor a few times a year than have an expensive and constant drug abuse problem just so I can moveJun 15 00:47
DaemonFCthat's what I'm sayingJun 15 00:48
DaemonFCpeople who think Chriopractors are quacks have likely (1) Never had chronic back pain. and (2) Are shills for the drug industry, unwitting maybe, but shills nonetheless.Jun 15 00:48
DaemonFCmedical doctors wage war on chiropractors through disinformationJun 15 00:49
DaemonFCmore disinformation they spead, the more they can defraud youJun 15 00:49
DaemonFCThey're in Utah. It figures: cheap labor, multiple wives, incest, and all that horrible stuff. Just add this to the list of social perversions they perpetuate.Jun 15 00:50
DaemonFCCaller ID: 800-973-7470Jun 15 00:50
DaemonFCAnswered the call just to tell them off. Said they were doing survey about who in the household was in charge of purchasing shoes. They called at 7:00 EDT.Jun 15 00:50
DaemonFCCaller ID: 1-800-973-7470Jun 15 00:50
DaemonFCCall Type: SurveyJun 15 00:50
DaemonFCroflJun 15 00:51
DaemonFCschestowitz, Are you the primary shoe purchaser of the household?Jun 15 00:52
DaemonFCI see, and how many shoe purchases do you make in a given year?Jun 15 00:52
DaemonFCVery good. Now on a scale of 1-10, can you tell me how satisfied you are with your shoes?Jun 15 00:53
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q1-9FTSqVI&NR=1Jun 15 00:53
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- gh chiropractor .::. Size~: 81.55 KBJun 15 00:53
DaemonFC:DJun 15 00:53
DaemonFCI'd be like "No. But can you tell me on a scale of 1-10 how satisfied you are that I'm not close enough to hit you with one of my shoes?"Jun 15 00:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, People that go see Benny Hinn to be cured of their back problems are nuts.Jun 15 00:55
DaemonFCUp there with people who go to the family doctor.Jun 15 00:55
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 00:55
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schestowitzGeezJun 15 00:56
schestowitzYou're trolling a lot todauyJun 15 00:56
DaemonFCAs are people who take Valerian Root ExtractJun 15 00:56
DaemonFCBut Chiropractic care is not quackeryJun 15 00:56
schestowitzDid you listen to the episode I gave you? Took me a while to find itJun 15 00:56
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DaemonFCno, now go take your herbal Jesus Pfizer remedyJun 15 00:56
DaemonFC:PJun 15 00:56
DaemonFCschestowitz, Then you have people like my grandmotherJun 15 01:00
DaemonFCAsks Jesus, takes the drugs, down the herbs, and goes to the chiropractor.Jun 15 01:00
DaemonFCand swears that something workedJun 15 01:00
DaemonFC:DJun 15 01:00
DaemonFCnow there's magical thinking, drug abuse, being easily deceived, then going for the real deal all in one personJun 15 01:01
DaemonFCTry everything until something works, then give credit to all of them.Jun 15 01:04
DaemonFC\It's why nobody knows who to trustJun 15 01:05
DaemonFCpeople like herJun 15 01:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Evidently each shot was better than the last, unlike the movies? RT @bleongcw We had about 4 shots with @mikefoong @bytebot in HighlanderJun 15 01:05
schestowitzgnJun 15 01:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] The Dangerous Power G4 is out! http://bit.ly/9fXhbT US$299. I want?Jun 15 01:09
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DaemonFChttp://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyinvesting/news/20-worst-charities-america?puc=outbrain&cm_ven=outbrain&obref=obnetworkJun 15 01:22
TechrightsTitle: The 20 Worst Charities in America | News | Money/Investing | Mainstreet .::. Size~: 37.58 KBJun 15 01:22
DaemonFCmore fake charitiesJun 15 01:22
DaemonFC18. Gospel to the Unreached Millions (GUM)Jun 15 01:22
DaemonFCAdministrative expenses: 43.1%Jun 15 01:22
DaemonFClolJun 15 01:22
DaemonFCGospel to the Embezzled MillionsJun 15 01:23
DaemonFC:DJun 15 01:23
DaemonFC11. Victorious Christian Living InternationalJun 15 01:24
DaemonFCAdministrative expenses: 46.0%Jun 15 01:24
DaemonFC1. American Tract SocietyJun 15 01:25
DaemonFCAdministrative expenses: 68.0%Jun 15 01:25
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DaemonFChttp://www.publicola.net/2010/06/14/re-microsoft-tax-dodge/Jun 15 01:30
TechrightsTitle: Re: Microsoft Tax Dodge « PubliCola .::. Size~: 53.82 KBJun 15 01:30
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.techeye.net/software/microsoft-ranks-india-over-silicon-valley  "The Microsoft CEO has ranked India’s prospects over Silicon valley’s in terms of growth in cloud computing. Ballmer firmly believes India would become the global hub for cloud computing which might take the world by storm.  Read more: http://www.techeye.net/software/microsoft-ranks-india-over-silicon-valley"Jun 15 02:11
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft ranks India over Silicon Valley - Is he on Cloud Nine? | TechEye .::. Size~: 21.14 KBJun 15 02:11
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft ranks India over Silicon Valley - Is he on Cloud Nine? | TechEye .::. Size~: 21.14 KBJun 15 02:11
Chips_B_MalroyM$ Ballmer Babal translation:  more outsourcing to India, cheaper labor.Jun 15 02:11
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.hardwarezone.com/tech-news/view/40798Jun 15 02:13
TechrightsTitle: Steve Ballmer and the (Gloomy) Future of Microsoft - HardwareZone.com .::. Size~: 38.47 KBJun 15 02:13
Chips_B_Malroy"...Not everyone buys this BS. One blogger, Horace Dediu, offers what many believe is the right explanation: Robbie Bach was fired because he lost the HP account. As the largest PC maker, HP is a hugely important Microsoft customer. A few weeks ago, HP acquired Palm for its WebOS smartphone software platform. The slap in Microsoft’s face still resonates; it’s a verdict on the failed Windows Mobile offering and a negaJun 15 02:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Community Leadership Summit 2010 is coming in just over a month! http://is.gd/cPudQ - be there! #cls #communityJun 15 02:23
TechrightsTitle:                   Community Leadership Summit 2010 | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 24.35 KBJun 15 02:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Quick note to you wonderful #OSCON people - be sure to join us for the Community Leadership Summit the weekend before - http://is.gd/cPuiLJun 15 02:25
TechrightsTitle: Community Leadership Summit | 17th-18th July, 2010 - Portland, Oregon .::. Size~: 9.64 KBJun 15 02:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @sunil_abraham: Pls RT: Survey for #digitalnatives : Digital Natives with a Cause? http://bit.ly/bByBHEJun 15 03:38
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DaemonFChttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/06/french-isp-provided-anti-p2p-tool-has-gaping-security-hole.arsJun 15 03:39
TechrightsTitle: French ISP-provided anti-P2P tool has gaping security hole .::. Size~: 29.19 KBJun 15 03:39
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cubezzzI have a bit of a dilemma nowJun 15 03:44
cubezzzwhich distro to pickJun 15 03:44
DaemonFCLinspireJun 15 03:46
cubezzzLinspire is deadJun 15 03:51
cubezzzit's weird though, Microsoft sues Lindows and then ends up paying them $20 million for the Lindows nameJun 15 03:52
DaemonFCLinspire isn't deadJun 15 03:52
DaemonFCLinspire is fighting good taste in another dimensionJun 15 03:52
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 03:52
cubezzzI should make zindows and make a few millJun 15 03:52
DaemonFCMichael Robertson is good at making highly unethical borderline-illegal startupsJun 15 03:53
DaemonFChe is a parasiteJun 15 03:53
DaemonFCcubezzz, I just noticed in the paper that the local gas station I go get lunch from has couponsJun 15 04:00
DaemonFCwhich come out to exactly what the normal menu price of those items areJun 15 04:00
DaemonFC:DJun 15 04:00
DaemonFCthe pizza places are all in a price war :)Jun 15 04:01
*DaemonFC reads the local paper because it's free and an excellent source of news on people suing himJun 15 04:03
DaemonFCcubezzz, I don't think the locals know what the definition of "depreciation" isJun 15 04:06
DaemonFCguy in here trying to sell his old Celeron system with Windows XP Home for $500Jun 15 04:06
DaemonFCguy trying to sell an old reverse projection 50" standard def TV for $75, which "needs work"Jun 15 04:07
DaemonFCmost people leave those on the curb with a sign reading "free"Jun 15 04:08
DaemonFCYou know the economy is bad when "$5 per envelope stuffed" requires a Bachelors Degree in Business Management and 2 years previous experience.Jun 15 04:10
DaemonFC*rimshot*Jun 15 04:10
DaemonFCcubezzz, Why do people not understand that 10 yar old computer equipment turned orange by nicotine stains is not going to featch a king's ransom?Jun 15 04:17
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 04:17
DaemonFC*yearJun 15 04:17
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Agent-SmithGood nightJun 15 04:39
Agent-SmithDid you see this awful piece of fudJun 15 04:44
Agent-Smithhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/linux-infection-proves-windows-malware-monopoly-is-over-gentoo-ships-backdoor-updated/2206?tag=nl.e539Jun 15 04:44
TechrightsTitle: Linux infection proves Windows malware monopoly is over; Gentoo ships backdoor? [updated] | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 124.24 KBJun 15 04:44
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulfJun 15 04:45
DaemonFCWindows decides to freak out due to (I'm guessing) my new GPUJun 15 04:48
DaemonFCengages paranoia modeJun 15 04:48
DaemonFCmakes me re-activateJun 15 04:48
DaemonFCwith stupid voice recognition that doesn't understand meJun 15 04:48
DaemonFCGRRRJun 15 04:48
DaemonFCthen after enough frustration, I jsut pulled up the on screen keypad and fumbled that twice before getting all the numbers inJun 15 04:49
cubezzzone of my computers is 17 years old and I wouldn't sell itJun 15 04:51
cubezzzperfect for old dos gamesJun 15 04:51
Agent-SmithWell, I hope you can write something about it...Jun 15 04:51
cubezzzI saw Agent-SmithJun 15 04:51
cubezzzI also read the comments :)Jun 15 04:52
DaemonFCmy phone's on screen keypad really just blowsJun 15 04:52
DaemonFCit's a good thing the phone offers voice recognition Jun 15 04:52
Agent-SmithWell, I have not read the comments, but that guy is big ASSHOLEJun 15 04:53
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cubezzzgee DaemonFC, yet another reason why I don't use dozeJun 15 04:54
DaemonFCapparently Microsoft finalyl did something over that Lenovo OEM key that leaked out LAST AUGUSTJun 15 04:54
*WireWulf-away is now known as WireWulfJun 15 04:54
DaemonFCwhat do you have to do if you have that key?Jun 15 04:54
DaemonFCfind another OEM key and punch that one inJun 15 04:54
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 04:55
cubezzzare you have fun re-activating? :)Jun 15 04:55
DaemonFCyeahJun 15 04:55
DaemonFConly this copy happens to be legitJun 15 04:55
oiaohmAre you to the point of having to ring microsoft yet?Jun 15 04:55
DaemonFCalready did soJun 15 04:55
cubezzzah, what funJun 15 04:55
oiaohmBecause you have used out the free retries.Jun 15 04:55
DaemonFCI've never had activation problems out of pirate copiesJun 15 04:55
DaemonFCnah, apparently OEM only lets you internet activate a few timesJun 15 04:56
DaemonFCthen you have to call the automated hotlineJun 15 04:56
cubezzzin Microsoft's eyes, every customer is a potential thief!Jun 15 04:56
oiaohmIts getting harder DaemonFCJun 15 04:56
DaemonFCit's bad enough that Microsoft won't suppoort you if you have OEM Windows anywayJun 15 04:56
DaemonFCyou have to call (in my case) a little company in Texas that didn't make WindowsJun 15 04:57
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 04:57
cubezzzperhaps if you sent them some money?Jun 15 04:59
DaemonFCcubezzz, I'm sure that worldwide (or even just counting civilization), there are more users of pirate copies of Windows than there are people who paid for itJun 15 04:59
cubezzzbut what do I know? I use FC1 Jun 15 04:59
cubezzzit would be interesting to know the exact statisticsJun 15 05:01
Agent-SmithWell, I hope you can write a nice article about that piece of FUD.Jun 15 05:09
Agent-SmithI'm out for tonightJun 15 05:09
Agent-SmithBye gentlemenJun 15 05:09
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oiaohmReally not DaemonFCJun 15 05:10
oiaohmThe numbers have pirated at about 20 to 30  percent of the MS market.Jun 15 05:10
DaemonFCoiaohm, You figure the infinite rearm thing is here to stay?Jun 15 05:24
oiaohmNop its not here to stay.Jun 15 05:26
oiaohmHave you not worked it out yet.Jun 15 05:26
DaemonFCyeahJun 15 05:26
DaemonFCwhy would MS make it so easy to reset the rearm count?Jun 15 05:26
oiaohmunder 2 years XP will end.Jun 15 05:26
oiaohmThen people will wake up want the activation thing really means.Jun 15 05:27
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DaemonFChttp://badgerherald.com/blogs/arts/amateurgourmand/cookie-monster-diet.jpgJun 15 05:28
TechrightsTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBJun 15 05:28
DaemonFCheheJun 15 05:28
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oiaohmIts like unlimited use keys.  They disappeared.  DaemonFCJun 15 05:30
cubezzzwhat if some people want to keep using XP?Jun 15 05:34
oiaohmStiffJun 15 05:34
oiaohmPirate will be the only option.Jun 15 05:35
oiaohmUnless you have legal volume keys.  But that still will not help you.Jun 15 05:36
cubezzzmy distrust of microsoft is meritedJun 15 05:37
cubezzzbut now I know in my marrow :)Jun 15 05:37
oiaohmVista and Windows 7 don't have any unlimited use volume keys.Jun 15 05:39
oiaohmMicrosoft is a slow closing trap.Jun 15 05:39
Diablo-D3thats not trueJun 15 05:41
*Diablo-D3 holds up a disc labeled "windows 7 crack"Jun 15 05:42
Diablo-D3behold, my unlimited volume keyJun 15 05:42
oiaohmSorry Diablo-D3 even that is notJun 15 05:42
cubezzzI'm sure they could pull all sorts of tricksJun 15 05:43
oiaohmWindows Live Mail and other items of MS are developing dial home features.Jun 15 05:43
Diablo-D3but who the fuck uses windows live shit?Jun 15 05:43
oiaohmIt will not stop just with Mail.Jun 15 05:43
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oiaohmIe the trail ground.Jun 15 05:43
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DaemonFCoiaohm, I was clinically dead for about 10 secondsJun 15 06:07
DaemonFCBIOS Flash day is a very dangerous dayJun 15 06:08
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 06:08
DaemonFCI couldn't manage to get the original BIOS ROM from ZT Systems, so I used AMI's Winflash utility to pull it straight out of my BIOS, which froze WindowsJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCrebootedJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCtried again, successful this timeJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCmodified the ROM, Flashed it, rebooted OK, realized I made a typo in my modificationJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCedit the ROM againJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCflashed itJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCreboot, moment of truthJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCand here I amJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCyayJun 15 06:09
DaemonFCI hate flashing a BIOS, hate itJun 15 06:10
DaemonFCI doubt my adrenal gland could go into overdrive like that if I was being chased by Michael MyersJun 15 06:11
DaemonFCit's like either it works, or you just destroyed a $200 motherboardJun 15 06:12
DaemonFCmajor shoot your own foot potentialJun 15 06:12
DaemonFCWell, now that I'm wide awake.....Jun 15 06:12
*DaemonFC goes to clean the room before the buzz wears offJun 15 06:13
DaemonFCcubezzz, Why did I do it? Because I'm sick and tired of Product Activator harassing me about something I damned well paid forJun 15 06:14
*DaemonFC does his Daffy Duck impersonationJun 15 06:14
DaemonFCWoo hoo woo hoo woohooo!!!!Jun 15 06:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft ought to warn people that these OEM Windows step up promo discs want reactivated everytime someone walks past you and coughsJun 15 06:15
DaemonFCI don't know why these discs are specialJun 15 06:17
DaemonFCnormal OEM gives you three non-motherboard hardware changes every monthJun 15 06:17
DaemonFCthe OEM step up discs seem to only give you oneJun 15 06:18
DaemonFCa driver update can set it offJun 15 06:18
DaemonFCreplacing your video card can set it offJun 15 06:18
DaemonFCprobably RAM and hard drive tooJun 15 06:18
DaemonFCjono, You Ubuntu guys need to take a lessonJun 15 06:19
DaemonFCthis is probably the only thing you could add to 10.04 that would make it more of a pain in the assJun 15 06:19
DaemonFC:DJun 15 06:19
oiaohmMAK keys are worse.Jun 15 06:25
oiaohmEach activate causes a count down.Jun 15 06:25
DaemonFCMAK keys are the devilJun 15 06:26
DaemonFCI have a few for Windows ServerJun 15 06:26
DaemonFCyeah, one shot for internet activation and if you must reinstall you have to call MSJun 15 06:26
oiaohmMAK are not exacly one shot.Jun 15 06:26
DaemonFCeven if your system hardware is identical to when you installed it last timeJun 15 06:26
oiaohmI have like 50 for 23 licend bundle.Jun 15 06:27
DaemonFCWhat sucks is for retail activationJun 15 06:27
DaemonFCyou have to speak to a live person at Microsoft to transfer the license to a PC with a different motherboardJun 15 06:27
oiaohmretail activation is turning into MAKJun 15 06:27
DaemonFCMicrosoft considers OEM to be for one motherboard and one onlyJun 15 06:28
oiaohmI am already missing the Old XP VLKJun 15 06:28
DaemonFCif your mobo fails, you have to replace it with an identical modelJun 15 06:28
DaemonFCor sweet talk them and hope that worksJun 15 06:28
oiaohmThat is what is written in the licence.Jun 15 06:28
oiaohmMAK trip on change of primary network card.  DaemonFCJun 15 06:28
DaemonFCwell, primary network card is the one on the motherboard in most PCsJun 15 06:29
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DaemonFCof course it's not really meant to be installed on a normal desktop PC I guessJun 15 06:29
oiaohmTo be correct MAK trip on cange of the MAC number  on the primary network card.Jun 15 06:29
oiaohmNote network card on motherboard MAC number is settable.Jun 15 06:29
DaemonFCright, otherwise you could install the same MAK license on infinite systemsJun 15 06:29
DaemonFCif they had the same model NICJun 15 06:29
oiaohmSay hello hell if a virus gets smart and starts randomising MAC addresses.Jun 15 06:30
DaemonFClmaoJun 15 06:30
DaemonFCthat would be truly funnyJun 15 06:30
DaemonFCoiaohm, I've changed my MAC address manually to get free wifi beforeJun 15 06:30
DaemonFCsniff for whoever else is on the wifi system already and clone their MACJun 15 06:30
DaemonFCusually gets you through a paywall without payingJun 15 06:30
DaemonFCthat works at the local coffee houseJun 15 06:31
oiaohmNote the network card check in windows 7 has runined virtual machine runners day.Jun 15 06:31
oiaohmNo longer can you run multiable copies of the same image Jun 15 06:31
oiaohmWith different mac addresses talking directly to each other.Jun 15 06:32
DaemonFCI bought a goddamned $5 cup of coffee, let me on your damned wifiJun 15 06:32
DaemonFCyou know? :)Jun 15 06:32
oiaohmNot a problem really.Jun 15 06:32
DaemonFClots of the big chains give you free wifi access if you buy a coffeeJun 15 06:32
DaemonFCnot this dudeJun 15 06:32
DaemonFCfirst thing that pops up in your browser is a walled garden page wanting your credit card Jun 15 06:33
DaemonFCI'm just not having any of itJun 15 06:33
DaemonFC:PJun 15 06:33
DaemonFCso yeah, that would suck if spoofing my MAC address caused Windows to deactivateJun 15 06:33
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 06:33
DaemonFCit doesn't do that on XPJun 15 06:34
DaemonFCI know that much'Jun 15 06:34
oiaohmIts a feature introduced in Windows 7 DaemonFCJun 15 06:34
DaemonFC"feature"Jun 15 06:34
oiaohmJust like the once every 90 day dial home of OEM versions of Windows 7Jun 15 06:35
oiaohmFailure to dial home go into limp mode.Jun 15 06:35
DaemonFCOEM with SLIC never calls home I believeJun 15 06:35
DaemonFCOEM without SLIC does every 90 daysJun 15 06:35
DaemonFCwith any sufficiently complicated system, you can game it after sitting back and watching how it works long enoughJun 15 06:36
oiaohmWindows 7 SLIC still dials home.Jun 15 06:36
DaemonFCit's why DRM fails eventuallyJun 15 06:36
DaemonFCall DRMJun 15 06:36
oiaohmInstead of 90 its 180Jun 15 06:36
DaemonFCahhhhJun 15 06:36
DaemonFCwhy did they bother killing the Lenovo key?Jun 15 06:36
DaemonFCif all you need do is enter another keyJun 15 06:36
DaemonFC5 minutes of inconvenience?Jun 15 06:37
DaemonFCthat'll show 'em :PJun 15 06:37
oiaohmDon't worry black screens of death are coming.Jun 15 06:37
DaemonFCif they start that up, they net a bunch of real OEM SLIC usersJun 15 06:37
DaemonFCright?Jun 15 06:37
DaemonFCthe setup is identicalJun 15 06:38
oiaohmNo its not.Jun 15 06:38
DaemonFCthat's why SLIC mods work, you use real custoemrs as human shieldsJun 15 06:38
oiaohmRemember what I said about mac address on network card.Jun 15 06:38
DaemonFChmmmJun 15 06:38
DaemonFCyeah, what about it?Jun 15 06:38
oiaohmThey also take motherboard serial number as well.Jun 15 06:38
oiaohmSo yes the activation key from MS is the same.Jun 15 06:39
oiaohmBut the detial ID the system the CID is not.Jun 15 06:39
DaemonFCoh, so basically this looks like Operation Human Shield until they come up from behind and shoot you in the headJun 15 06:39
DaemonFC:DJun 15 06:39
DaemonFCcoolJun 15 06:39
DaemonFCso they can still shut down all the pirates without warning at any momentJun 15 06:39
DaemonFCbut they're letting it work for now, why?Jun 15 06:39
oiaohmmarketing.Jun 15 06:40
DaemonFCso they can hit them all at once with a "Buy a new serial" screen one dayJun 15 06:40
DaemonFCafter they get comfy usign Windows 7 for free?Jun 15 06:40
oiaohmBy the way.  They did not disactivate the Lenovo key on true Lenovo hardware.Jun 15 06:40
DaemonFChmmmJun 15 06:40
DaemonFCLenovo said they wouldn't be using that key on real Lenovo hardwareJun 15 06:41
DaemonFCright?Jun 15 06:41
oiaohmPirates it was a warning shot.Jun 15 06:41
DaemonFCshould be easy to tell who the pirates are thenJun 15 06:41
DaemonFCanyoen using the key is a pirateJun 15 06:41
oiaohmLenovo has had the full CID list.Jun 15 06:41
DaemonFCahhhJun 15 06:41
oiaohmSo every machine in the factory activated.Jun 15 06:41
DaemonFCso even if they did ship real systems with that key, Microsoft could still get only the piratesJun 15 06:41
DaemonFCwith the blacklistingJun 15 06:41
oiaohmYep.Jun 15 06:42
DaemonFCyikesJun 15 06:42
DaemonFCI better back up my real BIOS ROMJun 15 06:42
DaemonFC:DJun 15 06:42
oiaohmAnd here is the best bit people don't know.Jun 15 06:43
oiaohmIf you back up activation of XP and try to restore a few SP latter it don't work.Jun 15 06:43
DaemonFCMicrosoft's OEM discs are crippled btwJun 15 06:43
DaemonFCthey won't accept mass OEM keys for different versionsJun 15 06:43
oiaohmReason the activation data has had to change with SP updates.Jun 15 06:43
DaemonFCthey will turn themselves into better versions with anytime upgrade thoughJun 15 06:43
DaemonFCso the components are obviously thereJun 15 06:44
oiaohmGets more evil Windows 7 it will be contect to MS server and send you key and cid for new update of code.Jun 15 06:44
oiaohmOnly one problem the licence they don't have to tell you they are doing this.Jun 15 06:44
oiaohmUntil after they have disabled your machine.Jun 15 06:44
DaemonFCso Service Pack 1's biggest feature is a lot of Black Screens of Death?Jun 15 06:44
DaemonFCis what you meanJun 15 06:44
oiaohmNot yet.Jun 15 06:44
oiaohmLooks like they will wait for SP2Jun 15 06:45
oiaohmNot enough market pentration yet.Jun 15 06:45
DaemonFCyeah, the bitch about SPs is that you can skip them, but tonce one is out, you only get like a year of hotfix support for the RTM or last SPJun 15 06:46
DaemonFCwhatever the case may beJun 15 06:46
DaemonFCso you will install it eventualyl or be out of supportJun 15 06:46
oiaohmWindows 7 is designed to get the pirates once and for all.Jun 15 06:46
oiaohmLot are saying they have cracked it.Jun 15 06:46
DaemonFCso you can make the SLIC and SLP identical to an OEM machineJun 15 06:47
DaemonFCbut your MAC isn't, so they can flag you anywayJun 15 06:47
oiaohmYep  DaemonFCJun 15 06:47
oiaohmNext I expect to see is having to ask permission to change harddrives.Jun 15 06:47
oiaohmIe using motherboard network and harddrive as lock.Jun 15 06:48
DaemonFCnahJun 15 06:48
DaemonFChard drives fail too oftenJun 15 06:48
DaemonFCthey'd get swamped with pissed custoemrsJun 15 06:48
DaemonFC*customersJun 15 06:48
oiaohmAbout once every 3 years.Jun 15 06:48
oiaohmThat is about perfect for how often MS wants you buying a new OS.Jun 15 06:48
DaemonFCthe more hardware they tie it to, the more angry customers they will haveJun 15 06:49
DaemonFCbecause the higher chance that an anchored hardware piece failsJun 15 06:49
oiaohmIf you read your Windows Licence you are legally anchored to the hardware.Jun 15 06:51
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DaemonFCjust the motherboardJun 15 06:51
DaemonFCright?Jun 15 06:51
DaemonFCthat's the only thing that could permanently deactivate youJun 15 06:51
DaemonFCright?Jun 15 06:51
oiaohmWording leaves it up to MS own selection.Jun 15 06:51
oiaohmSo what ever MS want to lock you to.Jun 15 06:52
DaemonFCso this is the policy, but they'd be within their rights to change their mindJun 15 06:52
DaemonFCif they want to say you replacing your optical disc drive counts, then it doesJun 15 06:52
oiaohmYep all you are stating is policy.Jun 15 06:52
DaemonFCyuckJun 15 06:52
oiaohmNot what they are legally allowed todo.  Yes for the 5 changes they use to count optical disc drives.Jun 15 06:53
DaemonFCthis deal gets worse the more you read into it I guessJun 15 06:53
DaemonFC(not that anyone does)Jun 15 06:53
oiaohmI did.Jun 15 06:53
oiaohmand kinda went I am out of here Linux looks good.Jun 15 06:53
DaemonFCthe ATI drivers are really the only thing keeping me out of Linux full timeJun 15 06:53
DaemonFCthey are bad when you're using Linux appsJun 15 06:54
DaemonFCthey barely work with Wine at allJun 15 06:54
DaemonFCmaybe you get lucky here and thereJun 15 06:54
DaemonFCbut it's hardly first rate supportJun 15 06:54
oiaohmAt least they are improving.Jun 15 06:54
DaemonFCI don't really care if it's proprietary or not so much that one of them worksJun 15 06:54
DaemonFCmaybe by the tiem Microsoft bombs people with the Black Screen, they will?Jun 15 06:55
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 06:55
oiaohmLot of pirates think they can beat MS.Jun 15 06:55
DaemonFCand they have so farJun 15 06:55
oiaohmReally they exist because MS lets them exist.Jun 15 06:56
oiaohmBecause most pirates cause more copies of windows to be sold.Jun 15 06:56
DaemonFCright, better to turn a blind eye to it than leave a bunch of people using LinuxJun 15 06:56
DaemonFCit's not something they want to have going on, but it's not the worst thing that they could let happenJun 15 06:56
DaemonFCfrom their povJun 15 06:57
DaemonFCworst thing that could happen is they clamp down and lose a third of Windows usersJun 15 06:57
DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13506_3-10280251-17.htmlJun 15 06:59
DaemonFChehJun 15 06:59
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DaemonFCoiaohm, Ultimate jsut gives a few features nobody uses and cuts out your extended support cycle, right?Jun 15 07:00
DaemonFCyou're actually paying another $20 for Bitlocker and to lose 5 years of Extended SupportJun 15 07:04
DaemonFCmost people don't even have a TPM or any need for the extra languagesJun 15 07:06
DaemonFCso buying Ultimate jsut means that they pay more and lose security updates after 2015Jun 15 07:06
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MinceRmost people don't have a TPM?Jun 15 07:13
MinceRnowadays i can't even avoid getting one with a laptopJun 15 07:13
DaemonFCneither of my desktops have themJun 15 07:13
MinceRyou're luckyJun 15 07:13
DaemonFCso the only thing 7 Ultimate would give me over Pro is it costs more and I lose Extended SupportJun 15 07:13
DaemonFC:PJun 15 07:14
DaemonFCI think it's mainly just there so people will spend an extra $20 for itJun 15 07:14
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oiaohmDaemonFC: Ultimate and pro give you double the support of home .  DaemonFCJun 15 07:19
oiaohmIe Ultimate and Pro have the same Extended supportJun 15 07:20
DaemonFCnopeJun 15 07:20
DaemonFCUltimate has no Extended supportJun 15 07:20
DaemonFCjsut Mainstream supportJun 15 07:20
oiaohmRead closer.Jun 15 07:20
DaemonFCPro and Enterprise have ExtendedJun 15 07:20
oiaohmIf you have Ultimate you can install ProJun 15 07:20
oiaohmAnd then get the same support as Pro.Jun 15 07:21
oiaohmThe extra features in ultimate that are not in Enpterprise don't have extendedJun 15 07:21
DaemonFCoiaohm, so what will become of Ultimate users that don't get extended support?Jun 15 07:26
DaemonFCahhhJun 15 07:27
DaemonFCso you still get security hotfixes in Ultimate after 2015?Jun 15 07:30
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DaemonFCoiaohm, The two biggest limitations I see in Home Premium are RAM and no group policy editorJun 15 07:33
DaemonFCno gpedit makes it real frustratingJun 15 07:33
oiaohmNo file locking DaemonFCJun 15 07:41
oiaohmin home either.Jun 15 07:41
oiaohmSo Home is less safe on a network if you value your files.Jun 15 07:41
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esenHi!Jun 15 07:42
esenI would like to join Techrights.org as an author. Whom should I contact?Jun 15 07:42
oiaohmschestowitz is who you need to talk to esenJun 15 07:44
esenyes, I knowJun 15 07:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] No Bilski Yet, Gene Patents Revisited, Microsoft Partners With Patent Aggressor (Against Free Software) NetApp http://ur1.ca/07n9q #swpatsJun 15 07:50
TechrightsTitle: Patents Roundup: No Bilski Yet, Gene Patents Revisited, Microsoft Partners With Patent Aggressor (Against Free Software) NetApp, Microsoft at LinuxTag 2010 | Techrights .::. Size~: 100.62 KBJun 15 07:50
esenWhere I can find Schestowitz?Jun 15 07:51
schestowitzHiJun 15 07:51
schestowitzesen: send me article, I'll publish if it's relevantJun 15 07:52
schestowitz*an articleJun 15 07:52
esenHi schestowitz!Jun 15 07:52
schestowitzDo you have my address?Jun 15 07:52
esenno, I don'tJun 15 07:52
esencould not find oneJun 15 07:52
schestowitzroy at schestowitz comJun 15 07:52
esenyou home page seems to idleJun 15 07:52
schestowitzYes, I hardly find time to maintain my own siteJun 15 07:53
esen:)Jun 15 07:53
esenfirst, let me tell you what I manageJun 15 07:53
esenare you interested in Open Source Databases?Jun 15 07:53
schestowitzYesJun 15 07:55
schestowitzI only use mysql though (on servers anyway)Jun 15 07:55
schestowitzStill curious about firebirdJun 15 07:55
esenhave you heard about CUBRID DatabaseJun 15 07:57
esen?Jun 15 07:57
esenwww.cubrid.orgJun 15 07:57
esenthis is an Open Source Database Management SystemJun 15 07:57
schestowitzI heard about itJun 15 07:58
esenfree and developed in Sourceforge.net at http://sourceforge.net.projects/cubridJun 15 07:58
TechrightsTitle: Error processing the URL:  .::. Size~: 0 KBJun 15 07:58
esenSo, I write blog about it, about its overall value to the open societyJun 15 07:59
schestowitzLet me know the URL of the blogJun 15 07:59
schestowitzI can then highlight news about itJun 15 08:00
esenEvery month I write about 10-20 articles about CUBRID and Database IndustryJun 15 08:00
schestowitzOther than that, the site is mostly focused on fighting FUDJun 15 08:00
esenwww.blog.cubrid.orgJun 15 08:00
DaemonFCThe FUD FightersJun 15 08:00
schestowitzWe rarely do articles that just promote project (Daily Links aside) because that's not what readers expect to readJun 15 08:00
DaemonFCthat sounds incredibly close to trademark infringementJun 15 08:00
*DaemonFC signs onJun 15 08:00
DaemonFC:DJun 15 08:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: pronounced "ah"Jun 15 08:01
schestowitzno "ooh"Jun 15 08:01
DaemonFCright, depends on how much cash you slip the judgeJun 15 08:01
esenthe reason I contacted you is I came across to your site tracked back by a database category link in your siteJun 15 08:01
DaemonFCand the juryJun 15 08:01
schestowitztechrights=FUD fightersJun 15 08:02
DaemonFCand if you can get a good lawyer that's golf buddies with the judge on the sideJun 15 08:02
DaemonFC:DJun 15 08:02
schestowitzBill Gates=food fighter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhe0H8RDNccJun 15 08:02
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DaemonFCschestowitz, speaking of which....Jun 15 08:02
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DaemonFCI had a lawyer once that was not only golf buddies with the judge presiding over the trialJun 15 08:02
DaemonFCbut he was also a sitting judge in that county himselfJun 15 08:03
DaemonFC:DJun 15 08:03
esenSo, what do you think schestowitz?Jun 15 08:03
DaemonFCthe case was dismissed pretty quicklyJun 15 08:04
DaemonFCschestowitz, I'm more of a fight fire with fire type I guessJun 15 08:04
DaemonFC:DJun 15 08:04
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esenI would be very grateful if my articles could be published on your siteJun 15 08:05
esenCUBRID is dedicated to accelerating the growth of open source databases, so I am contacting youJun 15 08:09
schestowitzesen: can you post a blog item?Jun 15 08:09
schestowitzSomething I can link to as news?Jun 15 08:09
schestowitzLet me see the blog..... :-)Jun 15 08:10
schestowitzI'm subscribing to RSSJun 15 08:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Awaiting the Genome Payoff - http://nyti.ms/aAalAA we have it - not as drugs, but as knowledge #genomics #sharingJun 15 08:11
TechrightsTitle: The Genome at 10 - A Decade Later, Gene Map Has Yielded Few New Drugs - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 75.11 KBJun 15 08:11
schestowitzI'll link to it later today, esenJun 15 08:11
esenthank you schestowitzJun 15 08:13
DaemonFCschestowitz, After the BIOS flash, a pot of coffee and a liter of diet dr pepper, I'm going to be up for a while I thinkJun 15 08:13
*WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-hereJun 15 08:13
DaemonFCJury rigging ftw!Jun 15 08:14
esenif you need to contact me on any matter use esen at cubrid comJun 15 08:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] BeagleBoard Gives New Power to Open Source Gadgets - http://bit.ly/9hyWmN ARM-based competition for #arduino #openhardwareJun 15 08:16
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esenschestowitz, where can I keep track of new updates at Techrights.org about CUBRID database?Jun 15 08:17
schestowitzcheck out daily linksJun 15 08:17
schestowitzI post these once or twice per dayJun 15 08:17
schestowitzThere's a "Database" section under "FOSS"Jun 15 08:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bruce Sterling Interview: Cities - http://bit.ly/b7cMwy short but interesting #citiesJun 15 08:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Almost Every Installation of #GNU #Linux is a Download of #OpenOffice .org http://ur1.ca/07nej #Fedora claims over 23 million users; #odfJun 15 08:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] What are Shanzai manufacturers? http://is.gd/cPPcu and why they use linux http://is.gd/cPPiA #floss #fossJun 15 08:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] OCWSearch Launches API, Indexes OpenCourseWare from Ten Major Universities - http://bit.ly/bLbAQn should help make OCW more findable #ocwJun 15 08:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @jerezim Written Decl. 12 on #ACTA: time to call, before vote plenary at 12:00! ☎ http://ur1.ca/07i4e #WD12Jun 15 08:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Wikipedia to Loosen Controls Tonight - http://bit.ly/bRyfCe great; now how about a bit more inclusionism too? #wikipediaJun 15 08:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another live example of #Microsoft ’security’ at work; debunking the latest #Linux lies from Ed Bott http://ur1.ca/07nh2 #securityJun 15 08:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Data in Climate Research? - http://bit.ly/b45rjt important points about important area: "we have to develop a culture of Openness"Jun 15 08:38
TechrightsTitle: Unilever Centre for Molecular Informatics, Cambridge - Open Data in Climate Research? «  petermrs blog .::. Size~: 23.56 KBJun 15 08:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] oh, come on Twitter: *eight* repostings of the same @wikileaks tweet is just excessive...Jun 15 08:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Trusting repositories. http://is.gd/cPQ7S What are consequences for PPA's? #floss #fossJun 15 08:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Trusting repositories. http://is.gd/cPQ7S What are consequences for PPA's? #floss #fossJun 15 08:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @glynmoody: techdirt as well. Twitter is going down the drain.Jun 15 08:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Germany held and played the ball around until an opening, England did not could not, England in comparison are kick and rush. #worldcupJun 15 09:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] a 1995 look at Patents for Software-Related Inventions. http://is.gd/cPSnV #swpatJun 15 09:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Second Dr Who video game should be available some time today from BBC websiteJun 15 09:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Groklaw defends #IBM and #OIN very stubbornly, but Florian Müller from Germany disagrees with this approach http://ur1.ca/07nt6 #swpatsJun 15 09:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] First NEC Android Tablet? - http://bit.ly/c9PGJ7 another (big) straw in the wind #android #necJun 15 09:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facebook Starts Prompting Users To Log On To Skype To Connect With More Friends - http://tcrn.ch/bXAFot VoIP would be an obvious acquisitionJun 15 09:45
TechrightsTitle:   Facebook Starts Prompting Users To Log On To Skype To Connect With More Friends  .::. Size~: 38.32 KBJun 15 09:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jerezim: @FFII backs Parliament Written Declaration 12/2010 on ACTA http://ur1.ca/07ntb Call n0W! #ACTA #wd12Jun 15 09:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Democratizing the takedown of BP - http://bit.ly/bkjn9N "We are crowdsourcing the establishment of the snarky, ironic conventional wisdom"Jun 15 09:51
TechrightsTitle:   Democratizing the takedown of BP / Sometimes Right .::. Size~: 20.97 KBJun 15 09:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @ whoeveriscallingme: At a boring all-day meeting, will call you back when I can, you can send me email...Jun 15 09:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A pony for every child – the politics of open source software - http://bit.ly/c3G3oV RMS has seen free sw as a political act since 1984Jun 15 09:55
TechrightsTitle: A pony for every child  the politics of open source software « commons re:sourceâ„¢ .::. Size~: 37.86 KBJun 15 09:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] pic of the week: HDR pudong skyline - http://bit.ly/cal3sf whoa, freaky #pudong #china #pixJun 15 09:58
TechrightsTitle: Flickr Photo Download: HDR pudong skyline .::. Size~: 5.62 KBJun 15 09:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] At Bitkom in Berlin, explaining FOSS business models.Jun 15 10:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] There must be... someway out of here...Jun 15 10:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] May $DEITY bless nearby power plugs and 3G data cards... sad I forgot my development disk at home... :(Jun 15 10:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Helicopter Lessons - http://bit.ly/dgQhXs long and thoughtful post about hyperconnected life and education from @mpesceJun 15 10:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The open-source entrepreneur - http://bit.ly/90cVHY Bob Young - fastest-talking person I have ever interviewed (via @caostheory) #redhatJun 15 10:11
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cubezzzwell yet another burner has crapped outJun 15 10:12
cubezzzthat's enough of thatJun 15 10:13
cubezzzI don't understand why the drives are so poorJun 15 10:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Oath Keepers and the Age of Treason - http://bit.ly/cCHVU5 not new, but shocking: is America going bonkers?Jun 15 10:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Capturing and connecting research objects: A pitch for @sciencehackday - http://bit.ly/9n4PQ1 the nitty-gritty of #openscienceJun 15 10:22
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DaemonFCmuch betterJun 15 10:24
DaemonFCXChat is a little cranky sometimes :PJun 15 10:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Hasn't it yet? ♺ @glynmoody: Oath Keepers and the Age of Treason - http://bit.ly/cCHVU5 not new, but shocking: is America going bonkers?Jun 15 10:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] China's Internet White Paper: networked authoritarianism in action - http://bit.ly/a8Q6ao must-read analysis of key document #china #netJun 15 10:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] This is how you can share facebook pics in CC license - http://bit.ly/c2UzBW #facebook #ccJun 15 10:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @RuiSeabra I'm trying to be hopeful...Jun 15 10:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Limewire, ISOHunt, PirateBay and the future of P2P - http://bit.ly/ahs7ZS "How many pyrrhic victories will it take?" #p2p #piracyJun 15 10:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another article on the dumping of F-Spot in favour of Shotwell http://www.techdrivein.com/2010/06/meet-shotwell-f-spot-replacement-for.htmlJun 15 11:15
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schestowitzre BillG :"well, he's retired from microsoft. he still invests- plus he could live off interest- i share your skepticism, of course" http://identi.ca/conversation/36022630#notice-36317622Jun 15 11:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fragmentation: The #FUD That Never Dies http://ur1.ca/07ost #android #apple #microsoft #mobile #linuxJun 15 11:43
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DaemonFCschestowitz, typicalJun 15 11:56
DaemonFCMicrosoft gives XP Mode access to all your Windows 7 host's foldersJun 15 11:56
DaemonFCand then doesn't even bother to install the XP security updates Jun 15 11:57
DaemonFC:DJun 15 11:57
DaemonFCso much for "secure"Jun 15 11:57
DaemonFCif something attacks your virtual XP, it can reach right in and help itself to your Windows 7 host OS as wellJun 15 11:58
oiaohmYep next stick of C4 introduced by MS.Jun 15 12:01
schestowitzwhat's typical about it?Jun 15 12:07
schestowitzBTW, the FUD against Android is highJun 15 12:07
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/146819 "even mary poppins knew that- #stupidfragmentationmythsamicrosoftpsychosis (trolls perpetuate the fud it's really quite atrocious)"Jun 15 12:07
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schestowitzI'm doing another post about Microsoft's anti-Google FUDJun 15 12:07
DaemonFChttp://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5162/46326342.pngJun 15 12:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google’s #Linux Takes #Microsoft ’s Lunch and #AstroTurfing Front ‘Consumer Watchdog’ Calls #Google ‘Criminals’ http://ur1.ca/07p0kJun 15 12:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] OMG... how I hate being in here...Jun 15 12:20
DaemonFC"So, what you will get with XPM is not an XP machine but a bloated resource hog that emulates the worst of 2004. Slowly."Jun 15 12:23
DaemonFChehJun 15 12:23
DaemonFChttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1051975/xp-mode-windows-scamJun 15 12:23
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DaemonFCI think you're better off actually dual booting with XP if you need it that badJun 15 12:25
DaemonFC:DJun 15 12:25
DaemonFChttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10316313.stmJun 15 12:28
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DaemonFC"The new console - to be launched this week - will have the same price as the old system, but comes with Wi-Fi and a 250 GB HD."Jun 15 12:28
DaemonFCso finally it has the features the PS3 did in 2006 sans blu ray?Jun 15 12:28
DaemonFCWhat is the point in doing a hardware refresh on a 5 year old console that everyone is already sick of?Jun 15 12:31
DaemonFCDoes it still have that massive power brick you could beat an elephant to death with?Jun 15 12:32
DaemonFCThe new Crapbox 360. "At least you don't need a $100 wifi dongle this time" Jun 15 12:33
DaemonFC:DJun 15 12:33
DaemonFCdoes it at least support Wireless N yet?Jun 15 12:34
DaemonFCnoJun 15 12:34
DaemonFCWireless G gaming is fun if you like lagJun 15 12:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: what do you think about http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers ?Jun 15 12:35
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DaemonFCdisconnects every time the router gets pissed at youJun 15 12:35
DaemonFChomegrown terrorists in a militant wing of the Teabagger Party?Jun 15 12:37
DaemonFCwhat could go wrong?Jun 15 12:37
DaemonFCI'd just like this to get some airtime, that nobody stopped the next Timothy McVeighJun 15 12:37
DaemonFCand that you've got an evangelical TV-vangelist rooting them onJun 15 12:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody in the USSR it was the mafia and oligachsJun 15 12:38
DaemonFC"Now Pray is both a Birther and a Truther. He believes he is following an illegitimate, foreign-born president in a war on terror launched by a government plot—9/11."Jun 15 12:39
DaemonFCSo why doesn't he leave the army?Jun 15 12:40
DaemonFChis enlistement is probably about upJun 15 12:40
DaemonFCjust goJun 15 12:40
DaemonFC:DJun 15 12:40
DaemonFCwhat's disturbing is that they let him enlist after he burned that tattoo off of himselfJun 15 12:40
DaemonFC"Pray isn't sure how to do this and still cover his ass. He talks to me on the record and agrees to be photographed, even as he hints that the CIA may be listening in on his phone."Jun 15 12:42
DaemonFCThe CIA is listening in on everyone's phoneJun 15 12:42
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 12:42
DaemonFCthat way they get a sense of who will put up the most struggle when the black helicopters come one morning at 3 AMJun 15 12:43
DaemonFCto take us to the swine flu death campsJun 15 12:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, I think he should ride a magic carpet to go speak to the King of the Potato PeopleJun 15 12:44
DaemonFCand beg him to help overthrow the governmentJun 15 12:44
schestowitzNaa.Jun 15 12:44
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 12:44
schestowitzI thought you turn out to be more like him..Jun 15 12:44
schestowitzThe gun, the rebellion....Jun 15 12:45
DaemonFCnoJun 15 12:45
schestowitzwhy?Jun 15 12:45
DaemonFChe's a nutJun 15 12:45
schestowitzCause tea folks won't engage with homosexuals?Jun 15 12:45
DaemonFCnoJun 15 12:45
schestowitzDaemonFC: many people believe himJun 15 12:45
DaemonFCbecause....he's a nutJun 15 12:45
schestowitzA lot of the community is religiousJun 15 12:45
schestowitzAnd it is repressedJun 15 12:45
schestowitzsub-prime mortgage victimsJun 15 12:46
DaemonFCThere are other nutsJun 15 12:46
DaemonFCI can hope the CIA does disappear themJun 15 12:46
schestowitzPea nuts?Jun 15 12:46
DaemonFCit's in everyone's interestJun 15 12:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: do you have letters on your fingers yet?Jun 15 12:46
schestowitzI knew one guy here who had thoseJun 15 12:46
schestowitzLooks bad on girls tooJun 15 12:46
DaemonFCyes, it says "I LUV HITLER" then I tattooed swasticas on the back of both hands, the voices tell me the government doesn't like thatJun 15 12:48
DaemonFCdon't worry, I'll shoot them with my $6,000 rifleJun 15 12:48
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 12:48
DaemonFCwhat exactly does he think a rifle will do for him if "they" come for him anyway?Jun 15 12:49
DaemonFCthe same "they" that are getting ready to take over the world can't get past a hick that pawned his trailer for $6,000 rifle?Jun 15 12:50
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 12:50
DaemonFCI'm sorry, if you think AM 530 talk radio is the voice of the revolution, you're beyond helpJun 15 12:51
DaemonFCschestowitz, I just have one thing to say to you........Jun 15 12:53
DaemonFCso you better listen upJun 15 12:53
DaemonFCWOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!Jun 15 12:53
DaemonFC:DJun 15 12:53
schestowitzBigfoot ????Jun 15 12:53
schestowitz"It's real, my frien bubba saw eat [sic]!"Jun 15 12:53
schestowitzHere's a nutty one: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4027Jun 15 12:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Support WikiLeaks - http://bit.ly/bo4CP5 seems they need some dosh to carry on the good work #wikileaksJun 15 12:55
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2LG-ASco6oJun 15 12:55
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DaemonFCschestowitz, That's going to be the first thing the Russians do when they invade, ColoradoJun 15 12:57
DaemonFCthey're going to waste time shooting up small town high schools with AK-47s and RPGsJun 15 12:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] awestruck by IT's purchasing acumen. they appear to have managed to source the last DVD drives in the world that *aren't* CD burners.Jun 15 12:58
DaemonFCit's not like there's a US military that's going to be a bit of a roadblockJun 15 12:58
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 12:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody what I mean is, a combination and division between rich class (oligarchs) and crime is what constitutes the aftermathJun 15 12:59
DaemonFCthey're remaking itJun 15 12:59
DaemonFCit's a Chinese invasion this timeJun 15 12:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Your regular nag: send @wikileaks some damn money. support journalism that actually makes a difference. http://bit.ly/bo4CP5Jun 15 13:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Redefines Freedom, Lies About Its Products, Blocks Competitors, and Helps #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/07p97Jun 15 13:03
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schestowitzDaemonFC: the Chinese needn't invadeJun 15 13:04
schestowitzThey just dump the USDJun 15 13:04
schestowitzHyperinflation followsJun 15 13:04
schestowitzThen the US starts fighting internallyJun 15 13:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz thanks for that - "aftermath" is one of my favourite wordsJun 15 13:05
schestowitzAgainst Mexicans, blacks, Jews, whateverJun 15 13:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody cause that's what you do as an ex-mathematician (IIRC)Jun 15 13:06
oiaohmhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?430035  My responce to all this secruity fud over the unreal irc.  schestowitzJun 15 13:06
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schestowitzhttp://administratosphere.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/life-without-mono-removing-mono-from-ubuntu/Jun 15 13:07
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schestowitz"These are good apps, but I don’t need another runtime environment cluttering up my sparse (sparse??) memory. There are a lot of other applications: the Mono folks have compiled a list, and the folks campaigning against Novell (and Mono) have a list also."Jun 15 13:07
schestowitzoiaohm: ".We are almost their."Jun 15 13:08
schestowitzI noticed that tooJun 15 13:08
schestowitzYou make it sounds like they took usJun 15 13:08
oiaohmYes I know bad typo.Jun 15 13:08
schestowitzRather than the oppositeJun 15 13:08
schestowitz"We are almost Microsoft's!!"Jun 15 13:08
oiaohmNo we almost have MS turf.Jun 15 13:08
oiaohmIs the way I am thinking.Jun 15 13:08
oiaohmYes I should not use double meaning lines.Jun 15 13:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Old-fashioned money - http://bit.ly/cmTFHI @mjasay (who knows what he's talking about) picks up on my billion-dollar OSS company postJun 15 13:09
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schestowitzoiaohm: anyway, I wrote about it this morningJun 15 13:09
oiaohmNow they are attacking Linux over secuirty is the begining of the end for MS.Jun 15 13:09
oiaohmBecause now battle will get more savage.Jun 15 13:09
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oiaohmhttp://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Sugar-Learning-Platform-and-GNOME-Desktop-Now-Available-on-One-Laptop-per-Child-XO-1.5Jun 15 13:10
DaemonFCI think people are just taking a good look at where Mono will be when Novell is torn apart by vulture funds and patent trolls who have no interest in itJun 15 13:10
TechrightsTitle: Sugar Learning Platform and GNOME Desktop Now Available on One Laptop per Child XO-1.5 - Linux Magazine Online  .::. Size~: 29.59 KBJun 15 13:10
DaemonFCand deciding that they don't want to be standing there when the Mono project collapsesJun 15 13:10
DaemonFCwith their entire distro depending on itJun 15 13:10
schestowitzHow was light speed measured?Jun 15 13:11
schestowitzI need to look that up....Jun 15 13:11
schestowitzMaybe it's like a pi thing... where you can refine further the calculationJun 15 13:12
DaemonFCI think it was around 186,000 miles per secondJun 15 13:12
schestowitzJun 15 13:12
schestowitz[13:09] <oiaohm> Now they are attacking Linux over secuirty is the begining of the end for MS.Jun 15 13:12
schestowitzIt's cause of GoogleJun 15 13:12
schestowitzIt gave CIOs the ammo they neededJun 15 13:12
schestowitz"Boss, Google is dumping Windows cause it's not secure; we should too"Jun 15 13:12
oiaohmA market focused on secuirty is bad for MS.Jun 15 13:13
schestowitzBoss can't say "google are just idiots"Jun 15 13:13
oiaohmSo much of closed source is not secure.Jun 15 13:13
DaemonFCan  idiot boss couldJun 15 13:13
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 13:13
schestowitzDaemonFC: miles are bad measureJun 15 13:13
oiaohmFinal end point is how do you audit closed source.Jun 15 13:13
MinceRthat's provided the CIO actually wants to upgradeJun 15 13:13
schestowitzOnly the US population still avoids metricJun 15 13:13
oiaohmAnswer is you cannot.Jun 15 13:13
schestowitzdecimal with the size of Earth as standard for unitJun 15 13:13
oiaohmBasically security battle is a battle ms cannot win.Jun 15 13:13
MinceRit's also a battle m$ cannot avoidJun 15 13:14
DaemonFCThey've got 16 million unique pieces of Windows malwareJun 15 13:14
MinceRso they're screwed :>Jun 15 13:14
DaemonFCand they're still talking about a few novel Linux virusesJun 15 13:14
DaemonFCand hypotheticalsJun 15 13:14
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#MeasurementJun 15 13:14
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schestowitzThere's a section on itJun 15 13:15
oiaohmDaemonFC: Linux has a permit project designing viruses.Jun 15 13:15
oiaohmthen designing counter measuresJun 15 13:15
DaemonFCthe speed of light = 670,616,629 miles per hourJun 15 13:15
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 13:15
DaemonFCeven in a school zoneJun 15 13:16
oiaohmReason why most viruses don't stand a chance against Linux.Jun 15 13:16
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz gosh, I never thought of that (literally) - very good...Jun 15 13:17
schestowitz"Its value is exactly 299,792,458"Jun 15 13:17
oiaohmAlso people are not noticing gcc upgrading to get more means to audit code.Jun 15 13:17
DaemonFC Jun 15 13:18
DaemonFCthe speed of light = 59 610 367.1 rods per secondJun 15 13:18
DaemonFCwell there you have itJun 15 13:18
schestowitz"An alternative to the cavity resonator method to find the wavelength for determining the speed of light is to use a form of interferometer.[92]  A coherent light beam with a known frequency (f), as from a laser, is split to follow two paths and then recombined. By carefully changing the path length and observing the interference pattern, the wavelength of the light (λ) can be determined, which is related to the speed of light by Jun 15 13:18
schestowitzthe equation c = λf."Jun 15 13:18
*MinceR moves DaemonFC by 1 attoparsecJun 15 13:18
DaemonFCthe speed of light = 0.00149025918 furlongs per nanosecondJun 15 13:19
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/search?q=What%27s+the+answer+to+life%2C+the+universe+and+everything+multiplied+by+the+speed+of+light+divided+by+three+teaspoons%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-aJun 15 13:21
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DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/search?q=number+of+horns+on+a+unicorn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-aJun 15 13:23
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DaemonFChow many smoots per kilometerJun 15 13:24
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+smoots+per+kilometer&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-aJun 15 13:24
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DaemonFC:DJun 15 13:24
DaemonFCthere's your really horrible measurement standardJun 15 13:24
MinceRhttp://aether.lbl.gov/www/personnel/smoot/smoot-measure.htmlJun 15 13:27
DaemonFCMinceR wins the grand prizeJun 15 13:28
DaemonFC50 boxed sets of IE 6Jun 15 13:28
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 13:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering how many people get unfollowed by their friends when they tweet #wclive constantly :)Jun 15 13:29
MinceRno thxJun 15 13:30
MinceRi'll just take the (nonnegative) monetary value (as of m$ reckoning when calculating "donations")Jun 15 13:31
DaemonFCin that case, free with the purchase of Windows. *sends MinceR the bill for 50 copies of XP Home retail @ $199 per*Jun 15 13:33
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 13:33
MinceRyou've got it the wrong way aroundJun 15 13:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How to find a community's cheeseheads when they aren't wearing foam hats - http://bit.ly/9mqQu4 nice metaphor #communityJun 15 13:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] EU Written declaration 2010/29 is "extending the Data Retention Directive to cover search engines": let's fight it - http://bit.ly/c1c68UJun 15 13:36
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DaemonFCugghJun 15 13:39
DaemonFCI do have a TPMJun 15 13:39
DaemonFCMinceR, It's even offering to Bitlocker-encrypt my MP3 playerJun 15 13:39
DaemonFC:DJun 15 13:39
MinceRlolJun 15 13:40
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DaemonFCMinceR, http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/3061/82334262.pngJun 15 13:42
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DaemonFC"According to Microsoft sources,[14][15] BitLocker does not contain an intentionally built-in backdoor"Jun 15 13:46
DaemonFCheheJun 15 13:46
MinceRyeah, rightJun 15 13:46
MinceRor maybe NSA took a look at it and said "heh heh, ok guys, you don't need to build a backdoor into this, it's juuuust fine as it is"Jun 15 13:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way to work......againJun 15 13:48
DaemonFCMinceR, when they seize your computer, sometimes they bring along a UPS to plug it into just for that very reasonJun 15 13:48
DaemonFConce the system is down, they might not get back inJun 15 13:48
MinceRi knowJun 15 13:49
DaemonFCI guess the moral of the story is if you get a knock on your door and they shout "police", you should instinctively pull the plug on your PC towerJun 15 13:49
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 13:49
MinceRi've even seen a description of tools that help them get the plug out of the socket while continually powering itJun 15 13:49
DaemonFC"Windows 7 chooses the Recovery Password, which has 48 digits."Jun 15 13:53
DaemonFCyikesJun 15 13:53
DaemonFCbetter write that downJun 15 13:53
DaemonFCpost it on your monitorJun 15 13:53
DaemonFCmjight come in handy :DJun 15 13:53
MinceRmail it to the police on a post card and tell them to keep it safeJun 15 13:53
DaemonFC"If you forget the USB stick or the Recovery Key at your office before a trip, your laptop will be useful only as ballast for your luggage."Jun 15 13:54
DaemonFC:DJun 15 13:54
MinceRnot as a portable stove?Jun 15 13:55
MinceRalso, what if you can get a LiveUSB or a LiveCD/DVD?Jun 15 13:55
DaemonFCso MinceR, honestly, have there been any proven cases of the police decrypting a Bitlocker drive and using the contents in court?Jun 15 13:56
*DaemonFC is not aware of anyJun 15 13:56
MinceRdunnoJun 15 13:56
MinceRthere might very well be no public records of the NSA getting into action :>Jun 15 13:56
MinceRor other similar organizationsJun 15 13:56
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DaemonFCMinceR, http://4sysops.com/archives/bitlocker-vs-truecrypt-performance-benchmark/Jun 15 14:06
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DaemonFClooks like it takes a nice big bite out of your hard disk performanceJun 15 14:06
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 14:06
DaemonFC"Generally it imposes a single-digit percentage performance overhead." -MicrosoftJun 15 14:09
MinceRhe should have tested it with a non-toy OS, tooJun 15 14:10
DaemonFCI think that was also the Vista versionJun 15 14:10
DaemonFCthe WIndows 7 version might be fasterJun 15 14:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] TfL lifts all restrictions on commercial reuse of data - http://bit.ly/9JBpJX you wait for ages... (via @newsbrooke @bengoldacre) #opendataJun 15 14:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Climate panel chief welcomes climate debate - http://bit.ly/cYvii2 "high level of transparency" required #opendata #climatechangeJun 15 14:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: EU Written declaration 2010/29 is "extending Data Retention Directive cover search engines" fight it - http://bit.ly/c1c68UJun 15 14:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Heh, well done Apple, sending me some marketing spam that I can 'pre-order' the iPhone4, about 2 hours after I did just that :DJun 15 14:58
MinceR...Jun 15 14:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] There may never be another Red Hat but that is OK - http://bit.ly/9ZK5bA another view #redhat #opensource #businessmodelsJun 15 15:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Transmitting my webcam video to local icecast server takes 8 second delay. Using VLC as encoder now. Time to integrate IRC with it #webinarJun 15 15:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Are Software Patents Patently Dangerous Enough? - http://bit.ly/cFPMeZ do coders really know about the digital sword of Damocles above them?Jun 15 15:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] :) desired man page - http://mortalpowers.com/news/hoping-for-ffmpeg2webm #webmJun 15 15:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] RT @mkeagle No way! We got a copy of For the Win through the donor page!! http://tinyurl.com/256gcepJun 15 15:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all, how are we doing?Jun 15 15:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] First up - new Shot Of Jaq - The Perfect 10: Installable Web Apps - http://is.gd/cQgIq - what are yours? #shotofjaqJun 15 15:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Greg Grossmeier talks Severed Fifth - great write-up - http://bit.ly/9YvEdp #severedfifthJun 15 16:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog | Vuvuzela | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/3a2e2lxJun 15 16:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] $flush_it /dev/toilet1 -t 6sec #cli #funJun 15 16:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] If true, I think FIFA should be sued. I think FIFA is too much of a monied and greedy organization! http://ur1.ca/07qaaJun 15 16:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Twilio Releases OpenVBX, An Open Source Google Voice For Businesses - http://tcrn.ch/aU8VcQ interesting #opensource #googlevoiceJun 15 16:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] New malicious Twitter spam - http://bit.ly/9hamjr another great reason to use NoScript #twitter #javascript #malwareJun 15 16:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Bloody Sunday inquiry. The result for the Parachute Regiment and the British Government could not have been more damning, about time too.Jun 15 16:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] It was also nice to see several Palestinian flags in Derry today.Jun 15 16:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] VP8 Codec Optimization Update - http://bit.ly/9EAoBC "We want to optimize multiple platforms, not just desktops." #vp8 #codecsJun 15 16:24
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schestowitzI've just been thinking, if Android takes off Google will leave GNU and OOo out of Linux... Firefox too. is there an OOo for Android?Jun 15 16:24
schestowitz[14:58] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [popey] Heh, well done Apple, sending me some marketing spam that I can 'pre-order' the iPhone4, about 2 hours after I did just that :DJun 15 16:28
schestowitz???Jun 15 16:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Five questions for Ghabuntu - http://bit.ly/aViq3U interview with Luqman Saeed: "Windows here is at the same price point as Linux" #ghanaJun 15 16:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Lawyer for the soldiers at Bloody Sunday inquiry, seems not to accept any of the findings.Jun 15 16:36
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/there-may-never-be-another-red-hat-but-that-is-ok/6682Jun 15 16:36
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schestowitzWatch the VIsta7 ads across the topJun 15 16:36
schestowitzLOLJun 15 16:36
schestowitz> "Our system makes it very clear what is data and what is code withoutJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> asking the developer to jump through hoops to make that expression" asJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> with existing secure coding options for string-injection prevention,Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> Kaminsky says. The tool establishes a boundary between data and codeJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> and then translates it for the destination coding language -- be itJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> SQL or JavaScript, for example, he says .."Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> http://www.darkreading.com/database_security/security/app-security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225700088Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> Jun 15 16:39
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schestowitz> Separating data and code, what a good idea, I wonder why no oneJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> thought of this before .. ?Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> "Our system makes it very clear what is data and what is code withoutJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> asking the developer to jump through hoops to make that expression" asJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> with existing secure coding options for string-injection prevention,Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> Kaminsky says. The tool establishes a boundary between data and codeJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> and then translates it for the destination coding language -- be itJun 15 16:39
schestowitz> SQL or JavaScript, for example, he says .."Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> http://www.darkreading.com/database_security/security/app-security/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225700088Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> Jun 15 16:39
schestowitz> Separating data and code, what a good idea, I wonder why no oneJun 15 16:39
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schestowitz> thought of this before .. ?Jun 15 16:39
schestowitzOops. Double pasted "Re: Kaminsky Issues Developer Tool To Kill Injection Bugs"Jun 15 16:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[satipera] Mansfield said that if Widgery had done his job properly we would not have needed this report. #bloodysundayJun 15 16:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] In an extremely foul mood, decided to be as rude as possible replying to stupid people who keep confusing someone's gmail with mine.Jun 15 16:56
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Chips_B_MalroyHi allJun 15 17:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Right to UK Government Data… unless it’s been outsourced - http://bit.ly/d0ZyoN the next battle #ogovJun 15 17:14
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Chips_B_MalroyRoy, did you see this one?  http://www.pcworld.com/article/198859/microsofts_e3_surprises_espn_new_xbox_360_and_a_shameless_bribe.html?tk=hp_new  "Short on shocking moments and big reveals, Microsoft pulled the trump card at the end of its E3 press conference on Monday: Everyone in attendance would get a brand new, redesigned Xbox 360 for free. For all the journalists in the audience, it was time to make an ethical decisJun 15 17:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] In Prolog (lest I forgot too much of it) PO(A) :- less_trustworthy(A). NPO(A) :- !,trustworthy(A). NPO(A) :- less_trustworthy(A).Jun 15 17:15
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Chips_B_MalroyM$ reminds me of the joke about the ugly kid, who's parents had to tie a pork chop to the kid's neck, so that the dog would play with him.Jun 15 17:16
Chips_B_MalroyUnless they give away Xbox360, no one will write nice about it?Jun 15 17:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I agree ♺ @rahulsundaram: pointing that Fedora's played that role more effectively than OSI and if list was OSI's primary objective, failedJun 15 17:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Sorry for the contraption of text, @rahulsundaram :(Jun 15 17:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @satipera a 1995 look at Patents for Software-Related Inventions. http://is.gd/cPSnV #swpatJun 15 17:20
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Chips_B_Malroymore signs of dieing MS CE/Phone:  http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2010/06/microsoft_payin.html  no apps, so MS pays for devs to port iPhone gamesJun 15 17:22
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Chips_B_Malroy"PocketGamer is now reporting that Microsoft has been contacting "successful iPhone developers" to front them cash and get their iPhone app in the WP7 Marketplace.  The catch is, no native code for WP7 third party apps, and iPhone relies on C++ for its apps. WP7 requires third party developers to work in Silverlight or XNA. Right now, there seems to be few if any takers for the project."Jun 15 17:23
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I need you adviceJun 15 17:23
Chips_B_MalroyMine?Jun 15 17:23
schestowitzCould you come quickly to #boycottnovell-social ?Jun 15 17:23
Diablo-D3ermJun 15 17:23
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: HOW much cash?Jun 15 17:23
Diablo-D3because if microsoft dropped a few hundred thousand in my lap, plus give me a phone and up front pay for the best phone plan for the next 5 yearsJun 15 17:24
Diablo-D3I'd develop apps for themJun 15 17:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] CEO Of UK Collection Society: We Don't Want Gov't Handouts, But The Gov't Must Give Us Everything We Ask For! - http://bit.ly/c5Lx7Y #ukJun 15 17:26
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schestowitzInteresting xbox storyJun 15 17:31
schestowitzMicrosoft found a way for reporters to like itJun 15 17:31
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Diablo-D3by giving them some?Jun 15 17:32
*Diablo-D3 is so fucking jealousJun 15 17:32
Diablo-D3I dont see microsoft bying MY loyaltyJun 15 17:33
Chips_B_MalroySo nobody wants to program in NET or Silverlight for the dieing Windows Phone OS, without being paid?Jun 15 17:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Cruisin from Berlin to Hamburg in a Mercedes Benz.Jun 15 17:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @jwildeboer Listening to Janis Joplin? ;)Jun 15 17:43
schestowitzSilverlight is dead/dyingJun 15 17:46
schestowitzI say this only based on freq checksJun 15 17:46
schestowitzI read Microsoft news quite exhastivelyJun 15 17:47
schestowitzAnd Silverlight rarely shows up. Microsoft doesn't prop it up with PR, either. It's not a priorityJun 15 17:47
schestowitzIt would be nice to know if key SL devs left the companyJun 15 17:47
schestowitzMoon Lie hardly produces any news, either. I have heard nothing about it for monthsJun 15 17:47
schestowitzDebate shifts to html5 with adobe as preferred option for broadcastersJun 15 17:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Opensource way of voice/video chatting ! http://post.ly/jbvNJun 15 17:52
Diablo-D3I had hope for silverlightJun 15 17:52
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Diablo-D3but since moonlight is a complete and utter failure, what can I do?Jun 15 17:52
schestowitzI had Hope(R) for Bama    [no, I'm joking]Jun 15 17:54
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.workpermit.com/Jun 15 17:55
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Chips_B_Malroy"schestowitz> I had Hope(R) for Bama    [no, I'm joking]"   I had no hope for Bama, but I did think he would be a little better than McClainJun 15 17:56
Chips_B_Malroytwo bad choices, IMOJun 15 17:56
schestowitzAs always, I thinkJun 15 17:57
schestowitz"It's the party, stupid"Jun 15 17:57
schestowitzYou get to chose the face, like in Street FighterJun 15 17:57
schestowitzKen or RyuJun 15 17:57
schestowitzSame characters, different facesJun 15 17:57
schestowitzDifferent audioJun 15 17:58
schestowitz"Oh!!! yooo--ken!!"Jun 15 17:58
Chips_B_MalroyYou will do good work for the FSF, in my humble opinion.  Jun 15 17:59
schestowitzNot among FSF hatersJun 15 17:59
schestowitzBut then again, they always hated itJun 15 18:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @graziano please participate in this important #debian poll, it is related to many things we care about: http://2tu.us/2b5g #lpitaliaJun 15 18:00
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*amarsh04 has only one .webm (vp8) format video so far - a video from the Japanese space agencyJun 15 18:12
amarsh04mplayer is fine with it, vlc on Debian hasn't been updated to support it yetJun 15 18:12
schestowitzIt's FOSS, so can't take longJun 15 18:15
schestowitzvlc announced support 2 weeks or so agoJun 15 18:15
schestowitzfirefox and opera have it too nowJun 15 18:15
schestowitzIE =liesJun 15 18:16
schestowitzThey say they'll support itJun 15 18:16
schestowitzWhat they mean it, they won't block plug-insJun 15 18:16
schestowitzUsers will still need to d/l something, I learned from an oggcast some days agoJun 15 18:16
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schestowitzjono: http://mybroadband.co.za/news/columns/12975-New-priorities-for-Ubuntu.htmlJun 15 18:39
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schestowitzgist: some people intimidated by pro-profit motivsJun 15 18:39
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.calgaryherald.com/business/Nuclear+startup+raises+million/3155599/story.html  "TerraPower, a nuclear energy startup backed by Microsoft chairman Bill Gates, has raised $35 million US in a new round of funding to aid the development of a reactor fuelled by nuclear waste."   OH No, I sure hope it doesn't run Windows, at least be out of the fallout range.Jun 15 18:45
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nawiChips_B_Malroy, you seem to imply that everything Bill Gates does is wrongJun 15 18:47
nawiyou should limit your unfounded rage a little bitJun 15 18:47
Chips_B_Malroyno, I just don't want it to run windowsJun 15 18:48
Chips_B_Malroyas in who needs a buggie unstable OS (windows) to run the next 3 mile island or chernoble?Jun 15 18:49
nawithere won't be a next "3 mile island" or "chernoble"Jun 15 18:49
Chips_B_Malroyreally, you have a cystal ball?Jun 15 18:50
nawieven if computers crash a modern reactor can't "blow up"Jun 15 18:50
Chips_B_Malroywish I could see into the futureJun 15 18:50
nawiI can only provide reasonable predictions based on factsJun 15 18:50
nawimodern reactors are built such that if something goes wrong, the reactor shuts down safelyJun 15 18:51
nawithe same way brakes on a train are usually built so that it needs constant air pressure to *not brake*Jun 15 18:51
Chips_B_Malroyare you sure its "modern"? and not designed from the "ground up" by XBox360 team?Jun 15 18:52
nawiif the air pressure drops due to mechanical then the brakes start to apply immediatelyJun 15 18:52
nawimechanical error*Jun 15 18:52
Chips_B_Malroysorry, that was a cheap shotJun 15 18:52
schestowitzHi, nawiJun 15 18:52
nawischestowitz, helloJun 15 18:52
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: re that nuclear/energy thingJun 15 18:53
schestowitzLook carefully who else owns patentsJun 15 18:53
nawidoes techrights have relation to techdirt?Jun 15 18:53
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=TerraPower+intellecutal+ventures&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Jun 15 18:53
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schestowitznawi: noJun 15 18:53
schestowitznor to techcrunchJun 15 18:53
schestowitztech is a generic termJun 15 18:54
Chips_B_Malroynawi, are you from lin##x?Jun 15 18:54
nawiyes, I'm well aware of thatJun 15 18:54
schestowitzand the name was the idea of our hostJun 15 18:54
nawiChips_B_Malroy, I'm from FinlandJun 15 18:54
Diablo-D3[01:45:59] <nawi> modern reactors are built such that if something goes wrong, the reactor shuts down safelyJun 15 18:54
Diablo-D3modern?Jun 15 18:54
schestowitz[18:49] <nawi> there won't be a next "3 mile island" or "chernoble"Jun 15 18:55
Chips_B_MalroyBill can fix thatJun 15 18:55
schestowitzTrueJun 15 18:55
Diablo-D340 year old reactors are not modernJun 15 18:55
Diablo-D3you want something like pebble reactorsJun 15 18:55
schestowitz3drd and 4th gen reactors are super safeJun 15 18:55
schestowitzThey shut down in case of emergencyJun 15 18:55
nawiDiablo-D3, modern was a contrast to older onesJun 15 18:55
Diablo-D3where their operating temperature is also the maximum temperatureJun 15 18:55
schestowitzBut Greenpeace keeps protesting against them; I doubt it's the coal/oil FUD funding themJun 15 18:55
schestowitzoops, nawi beat me to itJun 15 18:56
nawican someone tell why there's not much corporate interest to build new nuclear power plants in the U.S.?Jun 15 18:56
schestowitzhttp://skeptoid.com/episodes/4092Jun 15 18:56
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nawihere in Finland we just got three applications for new reactors, two will probably be permittedJun 15 18:57
Chips_B_MalroyWell, lets see, what is the worlds supply of uranium for fuel left?Jun 15 18:57
nawiChips_B_Malroy, hugeJun 15 18:57
Chips_B_Malroy25 years?Jun 15 18:57
nawinoJun 15 18:57
schestowitznawi: point not to missJun 15 18:57
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy needn't be against nuke powerJun 15 18:57
Chips_B_Malroyit has to be mined Jun 15 18:57
schestowitzIt's about who profitsJun 15 18:57
schestowitzGates and NathanM (the patent troll) have patentsJun 15 18:57
schestowitzAnd BillG was lobbying in Washington last week for $15bn to go into thisJun 15 18:58
schestowitzNot just $5bnJun 15 18:58
schestowitzIn a time of depressionJun 15 18:58
schestowitzHe would profit a lot from itJun 15 18:58
Chips_B_Malroyelectrically still sellsJun 15 18:58
schestowitzUnder the guise of "wonderful Gates tries to save world"Jun 15 18:58
schestowitzBill also invests in BP and ExxonJun 15 18:58
schestowitz[18:57] <Chips_B_Malroy> Well, lets see, what is the worlds supply of uranium for fuel left?Jun 15 18:59
schestowitzThere are 30k or so warheads that are nuclearJun 15 18:59
schestowitzIIRC, about 29k in the Russian Federation and the US of AJun 15 18:59
schestowitzThey are already refinedJun 15 18:59
schestowitzSo a lot of the work is savedJun 15 18:59
Chips_B_Malroybut, you and I know, they will never give all those upJun 15 19:00
nawiyes, Gates does a lot of good with his moneyJun 15 19:00
schestowitzUnless the US wants to point at 20,000 targets all around the world for its 'safety' in Los Alamos or whatever (Linux is run on these systems)Jun 15 19:00
Chips_B_MalroyGates is an investor.  He invests to make moreJun 15 19:00
schestowitzThe USSR/Russia scares meJun 15 19:00
schestowitzTheir automated system is out of dateJun 15 19:00
schestowitzSo risk of accidental nuclear exhcnage is very highJun 15 19:00
nawiChips_B_Malroy, you can do a lot of good with investingJun 15 19:01
schestowitzThey almost did it last decade or the 90s ratherJun 15 19:01
nawilike put money into important technological developmentJun 15 19:01
schestowitzThey say specs in Norway and were minutes away from auto-launch (false alarm)Jun 15 19:01
schestowitznawi: not necessarilyJun 15 19:02
schestowitz"More money, mo' problems" --BIGJun 15 19:02
schestowitzLook at the porfolioJun 15 19:02
schestowitzWal-MArt, Coke, oil, pharma patentsJun 15 19:02
schestowitz$15 bn or soJun 15 19:02
schestowitzThe charity component is maybe 5% of his wealthJun 15 19:02
schestowitzAnd the tax savings it gives him probably pay thatJun 15 19:02
nawischestowitz, your point being that Gates does not fully or even well try to do good things with his money?Jun 15 19:03
schestowitzSo had he just paid tax like normal people, that money would help govt. do the same honourable workJun 15 19:03
nawithat may be true, but irrelevant to the point I madeJun 15 19:03
schestowitzMoreover, and I can't stress this strongly enough, I recently learned that the rich in the US avoid about $600bn in taxesJun 15 19:03
schestowitzThat's like the military budgetJun 15 19:03
nawiI don't think the government is efficient in doing good thingsJun 15 19:03
nawimost of it goes to fund stupid imperialistic warsJun 15 19:03
nawi(well, not literally most, but a lot in the states)Jun 15 19:04
schestowitzThe US grew a class of oligarchs, quietlyJun 15 19:04
nawithat's what far right politics gets youJun 15 19:04
schestowitz[19:03] <nawi> most of it goes to fund stupid imperialistic warsJun 15 19:04
schestowitzMoney saved by it too can be used for thatJun 15 19:04
schestowitzI have better ideasJun 15 19:04
schestowitzBut I'm an average person, I don't get to write or influence any lawsJun 15 19:05
nawiwell, that's probably true in your country (which I assume is the USA)Jun 15 19:05
nawiluckily where I live even a single person may have a voiceJun 15 19:06
nawifor me it's being active in the pirate party of finlandJun 15 19:06
schestowitznawi: no, UKJun 15 19:06
nawiah, it's difficult in there tooJun 15 19:06
schestowitznawi: IIRC Finland has 4-6 million peopleJun 15 19:06
nawiyeahJun 15 19:07
schestowitzIt means that for 600 politicians you need to be one in 10,000Jun 15 19:07
nawiyou guys need a serious voting system reformJun 15 19:07
schestowitzSame in .Sw, .no. and .dkJun 15 19:07
nawi.se is for swedenJun 15 19:07
schestowitzyeahJun 15 19:07
schestowitzI knew I got it wrong... didn't seem rightJun 15 19:08
schestowitzIn .fi everyone knows everyone in politicsJun 15 19:08
schestowitzSo it's easy for me to get gossip on those who help Microsoft :-)Jun 15 19:08
schestowitzDoes Linus' dad still succeed in politicsJun 15 19:09
schestowitzIIRC he was in some local authorities last time I checkedJun 15 19:09
nawiyes, he was recently elected to be the "vice leader" of the Finnish folk partyJun 15 19:09
nawiarghJun 15 19:09
nawiFinn-Swedes partyJun 15 19:09
nawino idea what it's called in englishJun 15 19:09
nawihe's goal is to be the leader of that party tooJun 15 19:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @pvilela: Lançada edição 12 Revista BrOffice.org (OpenOffice.org n Brasil) http://broffice.org/revista entrevista Rui Fernandes do OOoPTJun 15 19:10
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schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_TorvaldsJun 15 19:10
schestowitz"In 2007 Torvalds was elected to the post of the third vice chairperson of the Swedish People's Party.[3]  In 2008, he was elected in Helsinki City Council  for term 2009–2012.[4]  Torvalds was a candidate for European Parliament election in 2009 on the Swedish People's Party list. He got 14,044 votes and was not allocated a seat.[5]"Jun 15 19:10
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nawiit's funny that the party is right-leaning, but Nils Torvalds has a past with communistsJun 15 19:10
schestowitzLinus doesn't talk politicsJun 15 19:11
nawibut that's pretty common in Finland Jun 15 19:11
schestowitzI wonder how he gets along with his dadJun 15 19:11
schestowitzHe grew up in a communist-leaning home, I guess, but he first made Linux proprietary/unlicensedJun 15 19:11
nawiI thought he didn't simpyl think about licensing when he first uploaded the sourceJun 15 19:12
schestowitz"Torvalds worked as a journalist  of Finlands Svenska Television from 1982. He has been a correspondent  in Moscow  and later in Washington. Torvalds is an author and co-writer of books about Russia and the Soviet Union."Jun 15 19:12
nawisimplyJun 15 19:12
Diablo-D3who is niles torvalds?Jun 15 19:12
schestowitzYeahJun 15 19:12
schestowitzhis dadJun 15 19:12
nawiNils is the father of LinusJun 15 19:12
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-03-26-002-05-OP&tbovrmode=3Jun 15 19:12
Diablo-D3lolJun 15 19:12
TechrightsTitle: Linux Today - Mother Anna Torvalds: Pride in Linux-based educational systems in developing countries .::. Size~: 83.14 KBJun 15 19:12
nawifun fact about Linus; he's a reserve officer in the militaryJun 15 19:12
schestowitz'Jun 15 19:13
schestowitzThe weekly section of Finnish afternoon daily "Iltalehti" featured an extensive interview with Linus Torvalds, and a short one with his mother, Anna Torvalds. At the end she remarked on what gave her the most cause for pride in the operating system that her son had started developing:Jun 15 19:13
schestowitz"In Anna's opinion the greatest achievement of her son is, that the Linux operating system has been available for use without cost as the basis for educational systems in developing countries. Jun 15 19:13
schestowitz'Jun 15 19:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Any recommendation on a C library for json parsing that's widely available in #GNU #Linux distributions, specially #openembedded ?Jun 15 19:14
schestowitz"Linus has, not only by leading kernel development, but also through his gently humourous PR role, given the OS a human, and humane, face. That alone would justify calling it "his" OS -- without lessening the role of the FSF, Don Knuth et al, Berkeley University and many many others. "Jun 15 19:14
schestowitzIs this her: http://www.facebook.com/people/Anna-Torvalds/536968916Jun 15 19:14
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nawidon't know, I refuse to use Facebook Jun 15 19:15
schestowitzI'm not on it, eitherJun 15 19:15
schestowitzCIAbookJun 15 19:15
nawilets hope diaspora will be succesfulJun 15 19:16
schestowitzMicrosoft should buy facebook, run out of money, and become a big brotherJun 15 19:16
schestowitzI'd love to see their users freak outJun 15 19:16
schestowitznawi: I think Zuckerberg put money in diasporaJun 15 19:16
schestowitzlike $150kJun 15 19:16
schestowitzPR moveJun 15 19:16
nawisource on that?Jun 15 19:16
schestowitzSOmething I saw in Wired or somethingJun 15 19:17
schestowitzI found it only in one placeJun 15 19:17
nawias diaspora received 150k in funding on kickstarter (including my money)Jun 15 19:17
*schestowitz looksJun 15 19:17
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/05/zuckerberg-interview/Jun 15 19:18
TechrightsTitle: Mark Zuckerberg: I Donated to Open Source, Facebook Competitor  | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 90.99 KBJun 15 19:18
schestowitz,----[ Quote ]Jun 15 19:18
schestowitz| You might expect that Facebook founder andJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| CEO Mark Zuckerberg would dismiss the fourJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| NYU college students who want to take onJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| Facebook’s dominance of social networkingJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| by building a distributed, open alternativeJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| that includes a way for people to run theirJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| own servers.Jun 15 19:18
schestowitz|Jun 15 19:18
schestowitz| But instead, Zuckerberg said he donated toJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| the Diaspora project, adding to theJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| $190,000 it has raised, in part because heJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| appreciates their drive to change theJun 15 19:18
schestowitz| world.Jun 15 19:18
schestowitz`----Jun 15 19:18
schestowitzSee? I told youJun 15 19:18
schestowitzYou are like Zuckerberg!Jun 15 19:18
schestowitzYou donate to the same thing... maybe you're twins :-pJun 15 19:18
MinceRnot necessarily for the same reason, thoughJun 15 19:19
MinceRzuckerberg is probably just trying to clean his imageJun 15 19:19
schestowitzHe'll need more than thatJun 15 19:21
schestowitzMaybe he should set up a foundationJun 15 19:21
schestowitzpet_charities++;;Jun 15 19:22
MinceRof course it's insufficientJun 15 19:22
schestowitzhttp://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/06/13/ubuntu_for_tablets/Jun 15 19:22
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schestowitzMark says it's wrongJun 15 19:22
schestowitzFalse IDG repoirtJun 15 19:22
schestowitzhttp://www.toptechnews.com/news/EU-Decries-Proprietary-Software/story.xhtml?story_id=023001CPSIPPJun 15 19:23
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Chips_B_Malroy"schestowitz> Microsoft should buy facebook, run out of money, and become a big brother"  Can we add AOL and maybe Yahoo to that?  BTW, if MS has as much money as they claim, why borrow?  Is MS borrowing at a low rate, and investing in ways, or scheming with money exchannges (foreign currency exchanges) to make tax free money?Jun 15 19:25
Chips_B_Malroyit makes no sense to borrow money if you are sitting on a pile of money?Jun 15 19:28
Chips_B_MalroyMore Ballmer new math?Jun 15 19:29
MinceRnew math, new math. it won't do you a bit of good to review mathJun 15 19:31
nawiChips_B_Malroy, it makes sense to borrow money if the interest rate is low and you can invest it with high returnsJun 15 19:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GPL FUD from those who monetise it http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/62494 See comments and maybe add one...? #fsf #gnuJun 15 19:32
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MinceR"borrowing money" is another way to say "letting others invest in you" :)Jun 15 19:32
Chips_B_Malroynawi> I accept thats possible.  But maybe its for aquisitions too?  Maybe Ballmer has not given up on the idea of flat out buying either, Yahoo, Rim, Facebook, Novell, and othersJun 15 19:35
nawihmm, I wonder if Google has tried to buy Facebook yetJun 15 19:36
nawiit's their biggest enemyJun 15 19:36
nawiGoogle's goal is to control the internet at all stages and have total control (And total profits)Jun 15 19:36
MinceRm$ also has this goalJun 15 19:37
nawithe weakness in competing in the internet services is that even if your product is better, people won't use it because other people are already using the other serviceJun 15 19:37
nawiyoutube sucks, totally, and there are better video sitesJun 15 19:37
nawihowever, they're marginal because youtube has all the usersJun 15 19:37
MinceRyahoo have already submitted to m$, haven't they?Jun 15 19:37
nawiI predict Microsoft will slowly die in the next 20 yearsJun 15 19:38
nawibut since Apple will grow, it's not looking goodJun 15 19:38
Chips_B_Malroy"nawi> Google's goal is to control the internet at all stages and have total control (And total profits)"  Not so sure about "total control."  MS, yes.Jun 15 19:38
MinceRi predict m$ to slowly die, tooJun 15 19:38
nawiApple seems to be even worse then MicrosoftJun 15 19:38
MinceRbut i doubt that crApple will be able to take its place, since it's pretty incompetent in many fieldsJun 15 19:38
nawiand their users are brainwashedJun 15 19:38
MinceRbusiness, for exampleJun 15 19:38
Chips_B_MalroySlowly, yes, but I see some acceleration comingJun 15 19:39
nawicrApple?Jun 15 19:39
MinceRthe question is, how many users can they brainwashJun 15 19:39
Chips_B_MalroyApple has to reduce its pricing to become mainstreamJun 15 19:39
MinceRnot only thatJun 15 19:40
nawiit's crazy how much apple users even embrace slaveryJun 15 19:40
MinceRthey need to yield more control to big usersJun 15 19:40
nawi"freedom from porn" etcJun 15 19:40
MinceRcrApple's approach isn't going to fly with an enterprise customerJun 15 19:40
Chips_B_MalroyMS is big fan on DRMJun 15 19:40
MinceRso is crAppleJun 15 19:41
nawiagain, what do you mean by "crApple"Jun 15 19:41
nawiif it's "crap", that's not very cleverJun 15 19:41
MinceRsame as appleJun 15 19:41
MinceRand yes, they produce crap in large quantitiesJun 15 19:41
Chips_B_Malroyyes, buts its Vista's embrace of DRM more than before, that preped many to be able to changeJun 15 19:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | HTC Smart On 02 Pt 1 | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/2b6w5wsJun 15 19:42
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schestowitz[19:41] <MinceR> and yes, they produce crap in large quantitiesJun 15 19:42
schestowitzThey should look into the energy industry thenJun 15 19:43
MinceRlolJun 15 19:43
schestowitzgives new meaning to "apple powered" and "mac experience"Jun 15 19:43
schestowitziGloves @ $159Jun 15 19:44
MinceRit's so bad?Jun 15 19:44
schestowitzdiscountedJun 15 19:44
MinceR(but much worse than the PowerGlove)Jun 15 19:44
Chips_B_MalroyWhen I started posting comments on MS Watch, according to MS Shill Net Apps, Windows had 95.3% of the desktop market share, now what is it?  88% and most likely an inflated figure.  MS Office, new versions only enforce its lockin, thats really all you are paying for, to be a slave.Jun 15 19:49
Chips_B_MalroyIt no wonder, with the depression, and no real improvements in many years, that people have stopped buying MS Office.  Not to mention free OpenOffice.Jun 15 19:50
nawiI find it crazy why people use MS Office at allJun 15 19:51
MinceRstupid policies of stupid companiesJun 15 19:51
MinceRpeople being unwilling to learn something that sucks lessJun 15 19:52
MinceRetc.Jun 15 19:52
nawion the other hand, if a person costs 30 euros per hour to the company, learning new software becomes costly very soonJun 15 19:53
nawiperson = employeeJun 15 19:53
Chips_B_MalroyI know very few people who actually pay for MS OfficeJun 15 19:53
MinceRtraining is an one-off cost per employee (even then only temporarily: they can eventually require new employees to know OOo); m$o licensing costs and other costs incurred by it are continuousJun 15 19:54
Chips_B_Malroyand less that actually use it, more that have converted to openofficeJun 15 19:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] json-c seems more promising for bringing less bagage...Jun 15 19:55
Chips_B_MalroyEver notice how sites like MS Watch, Cnet, and others will never use the "OpenOffice" word?  They always compared MS Office with Google Apps, because Google Apps cost for businesses.Jun 15 19:56
Chips_B_MalroyMinceR> I don't think there is much of a training curve to go from MS Office to OpenOffice for most people.Jun 15 19:56
MinceRi agree with youJun 15 19:57
Chips_B_MalroyI would say seamlessJun 15 19:57
Chips_B_Malroywish I had the link, but read recently that OpenOffice is on 20% of desktop computers these daysJun 15 19:58
Chips_B_Malroyand gainingJun 15 20:00
Chips_B_Malroythe newest MS form of locking, is to use MS Office the web version on Hotmail so others cannot read your email docsJun 15 20:01
schestowitzThe Reg showed 20% last yearJun 15 20:01
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Facebook too, with docs.comJun 15 20:02
Chips_B_MalroyHave to admitt, preinstalling MS Office Trial version, was smart on MS part.  But I think they might open themselves up to a bundling issue of that one in the EUJun 15 20:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Den Spielern der Elfenbeinküste steht das orange fast besser als den Holländern ...Jun 15 20:05
Chips_B_MalroyStill nobody seems to want to pay the price, in fact, it becomes just another crapletJun 15 20:05
Chips_B_Malroysomething more useless like trial Norton, that you have to spend the time to uninstall, as it takes up a lot of space.Jun 15 20:06
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sebsebsebHiJun 15 20:11
nawihow was your day?Jun 15 20:11
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/company-focus/2010/06/15/260791/Bill-Gates.htm  So Bill stands behind Ballmer and his failures.Jun 15 20:12
TechrightsTitle: Bill Gates supports Steve Ballmer, as rival Apple overtakes Microsoft - The China Post .::. Size~: 28.12 KBJun 15 20:12
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft Corp. co-founder Bill Gates said he supports Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer, as rival Apple Inc. overtook Microsoft last month to become the technology company with the highest market capitalization. “I happen to like the things that Steve's doing,” Gates said when asked if he had confidence in Ballmer, according to the transcript of an interview for broadcast Sunday on ABC's “This Week” programJun 15 20:13
nawidamn StevesJun 15 20:13
Chips_B_Malroywe must like Steve B.  He is our best hope for a linux desktop majority.Jun 15 20:14
Chips_B_MalroyWho else could be as enept?Jun 15 20:14
nawidon't you mean inept?Jun 15 20:15
Chips_B_Malroysorry for the spellingJun 15 20:15
Chips_B_Malroytypo'sJun 15 20:16
Chips_B_MalroyyesJun 15 20:16
nawiit's okay, but as a person whose primary language is not english, I need to find out the proper spelling for words to advance my skills in englishJun 15 20:17
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/15/can-microsoft-beat-google-at-its-own-free-game/  "As Forrester Research analyst JP Gownder points out, about 67% of U.S. online consumers regularly use Office at home, compared to just 4% who say they use Google Docs, its highest-profile rival."  Another MS shill figures, as Openoffice is not mentioned as its leading rival.Jun 15 20:36
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Chips_B_Malroybut it does show that MS Office is in decline.  A 67% figure in the USA.Jun 15 20:37
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225200370  "Faced with flop after flop in the consumer device space—the most recent being the poorly received KIN line of feature phones—Ballmer earlier this week imploded the unit that oversees those products."Jun 15 20:53
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ender2070I found some newsJun 15 20:54
ender2070I think it'll pop up in a minute hereJun 15 20:54
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Anti-FSF stance causes ACCESS to pull Gnome Foundation Funding - http://bit.ly/ciLTSD !gnome !fsfJun 15 20:54
Chips_B_Malroy"With no replacement named for Bach, Ballmer now assumes more direct oversight of E&DD—which houses key consumer products like the Xbox, Zune, and Windows Mobile. Ballmer's revamp of the unit may be a last ditch effort to reverse its fortunes.  In the first nine months of Microsoft's 2010 fiscal year, hardware and hardware-related sales were down 5% year-over-year, to $6.5 billion. Xbox and PC game revenue fell 5% duriJun 15 20:54
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Chips_B_Malroyender2070> will that mean Lumpy will lose his position at Gnome?Jun 15 20:55
Chips_B_Malroya ray of sunshine on a silver liningJun 15 20:56
ender2070possiblyJun 15 20:56
ender2070i dunnoJun 15 20:57
ender2070shows hes a dickJun 15 20:57
Chips_B_Malroyhe needs a vacation anywayJun 15 20:57
Chips_B_MalroyunpaidJun 15 20:57
ender2070the news is why he left the advisory boardJun 15 20:58
ender2070he left back in janJun 15 20:58
ender2070hes just a regular member nowJun 15 20:58
ender2070no powerJun 15 20:58
ender2070the gpl action against apple has him foaming at the mouth everythingJun 15 20:58
ender2070everywhere*Jun 15 20:58
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Anti-FSF stance caused ACCESS to pull Gnome Foundation Funding - http://bit.ly/ciLTSDJun 15 20:59
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Chips_B_Malroy"ender2070> the gpl action against apple has him foaming at the mouth everything"  yes, he always has been a mean rabid dog.Jun 15 20:59
cubezzzwho?Jun 15 21:00
Chips_B_MalroylumpyJun 15 21:00
Chips_B_MalroyleftyJun 15 21:00
cubezzzis Gnome in trouble?Jun 15 21:00
Chips_B_Malroymake no mistake, the real reason is probably Access is going brokeJun 15 21:00
Chips_B_Malroysay thank you GoogleJun 15 21:01
cubezzzwow more BP problemsJun 15 21:01
cubezzzI wonder who funds KDEJun 15 21:03
Chips_B_Malroyis it next week for the next M$ finicial quarter?Jun 15 21:03
cubezzzI thought Gnome and KDE were all voltunteer projectsJun 15 21:03
cubezzzas soon as money appears, you get problemsJun 15 21:04
Chips_B_MalroyQuestion is, will Sweaty B be sweating this quarter more than ever?Jun 15 21:04
cubezzzyes, I think soJun 15 21:04
Chips_B_Malroyhide the chairsJun 15 21:04
cubezzzI'm still mulling over my next distro to tryJun 15 21:04
cubezzzI want older KDEJun 15 21:05
cubezzzeven was considering CF-IDE setupJun 15 21:05
ender2070ACCESS stopped funding gnome and guadec cause of software freedomJun 15 21:06
Chips_B_Malroywell, you like Red Hat, so CentOS is Red Hat.  Mandriva was close.  Try PCLINUXOS, its based on Mandriva.Jun 15 21:06
Chips_B_Malroy"ender2070> ACCESS stopped funding gnome and guadec cause of software freedom"  Is that what you believe, or is that their BSJun 15 21:06
Chips_B_Malroycubezzz>personally I like Debian based distros best.  Kanotix just came out with one.  Have the preview, its was good.  Both Kanotix and Mepis 8.0 were some of the last to support KDE 3.5Jun 15 21:08
Chips_B_Malroyat least Access came out and admitted it was all about money and not about freedom.  Thanks for the article Ender2070Jun 15 21:10
cubezzzwhat about DSL? I doubt they use new KDEJun 15 21:11
Chips_B_MalroySadly DSL is no more.  The two guys who did it split.  One is making TinyCoreJun 15 21:11
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cubezzzand no KDE at all I seeJun 15 21:13
cubezzzso that's out Jun 15 21:13
Chips_B_MalroyMyself I greatly preferred DSL over Puppy.  AntiX found in the Mepis distro is very good for older systems, it uses IceWM and Fluxbox windows managers.Jun 15 21:13
DaemonFCVLC 1.1 is an improvementJun 15 21:13
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 21:13
cubezzzactually does IceWM have anythig like klipper?Jun 15 21:13
Chips_B_MalroyKanotix is very up to date with KDE 3.5.  Mepis 8.0 has lots of backports, and community backports, so very useful.Jun 15 21:14
Chips_B_MalroyEnder2070>  whats the other open source organization that Access puts it's Troll on?  I forgotJun 15 21:16
cubezzzdunno about grub2 thoughJun 15 21:17
cubezzzit has to work with corebootJun 15 21:17
Chips_B_Malroyor is it a open source sounding like organization?  is it Limo?Jun 15 21:17
Diablo-D3coreboot has a grub2 payload iircJun 15 21:17
cubezzzyeah I just saw thatJun 15 21:18
Diablo-D3although its sort of dumb if you only have one OS on the machineJun 15 21:18
Diablo-D3just use coreboot's native linux loader payloadJun 15 21:18
Chips_B_MalroyI think Kanotix has grub2, Mepis only has older grubJun 15 21:18
cubezzzI'll put freedos on there tooJun 15 21:18
cubezzzwhat do you guys think about CF-IDE? Ok for Linux?Jun 15 21:19
Diablo-D3erm cubezzz Jun 15 21:19
Diablo-D3you do realize CF _is_ an IDE bus, right?Jun 15 21:19
Diablo-D3CF->IDE adapters are mechanical onlyJun 15 21:19
cubezzzoh I see Jun 15 21:19
Diablo-D3(theres some extra shit to step power down, but thats not part of the data bus)Jun 15 21:19
DaemonFChttp://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2010/06/15/general-as-pakistan-bin-laden-hunter_7691314.html?boxes=HomepagebusinessnewsJun 15 21:19
TechrightsTitle: Colo. man went on solo mission to kill bin Laden - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 34.75 KBJun 15 21:19
DaemonFC"Back off, I'll get him! I'm with the local Tea party!"Jun 15 21:20
cubezzzso you mean I can't use CF on IDE 40-pin then?Jun 15 21:20
Diablo-D3you can, you just get a mechanical adapterJun 15 21:20
cubezzzokJun 15 21:20
Diablo-D3they have very slim ones that fit ide either straight on, or angled at either directionJun 15 21:21
Diablo-D3they have ones that do two CF cards and set them up as master/slave as wellJun 15 21:21
Diablo-D3they have ones that do CF->SATA, and just include an ide->sata bridge on the cardJun 15 21:21
*DaemonFC looks to see when a domain expiresJun 15 21:21
cubezzzthey look pretty inexpensive tooJun 15 21:22
Diablo-D3yeahJun 15 21:22
Diablo-D3you can get decent ones for under $15Jun 15 21:22
Diablo-D3its a board, a CF holder, and a connectorJun 15 21:22
Diablo-D3and two other connectorsJun 15 21:22
Diablo-D3thats itJun 15 21:22
cubezzzno one seems to have them in stock locallyJun 15 21:25
cubezzzguess it's ebay thenJun 15 21:27
DaemonFCI want huntington.inJun 15 21:28
DaemonFCto see how many people get me instead of huntington.in.usJun 15 21:29
DaemonFC:DJun 15 21:29
DaemonFCthen I can run a parody of the local governmentJun 15 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] json-c it is, it carries a lot less baggage than glib-json and was quite quick to get the gist of the api.Jun 15 21:30
cubezzzthey got those laptop CF-IDE drives nowJun 15 21:33
Diablo-D3yeahJun 15 21:38
Diablo-D3its just a circuit board with the screw holes for 2.5" drivesJun 15 21:38
Diablo-D3its exactly the same other wiseJun 15 21:38
cubezzzI'm just not sure about the number of write operations CF will handleJun 15 21:39
DaemonFCI'm starting the Machiavellian PartyJun 15 21:39
DaemonFCYou can never get me in a scandal because I always said that people were basically dishonest. (Myself included)Jun 15 21:39
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgtia8XJDhtzR-ed3ZzuVOLC4DvQD9GBTM380Jun 15 21:40
TechrightsTitle: The Associated Press: EPA: Climate bill costs less than postage stamp .::. Size~: 7.56 KBJun 15 21:40
DaemonFC"It'll ONLY cost you $146 a year, it's not like that's, I dunno, a month's groceries or anything"Jun 15 21:41
cubezzzseek time is lower I heard thoughJun 15 21:41
DaemonFC"Don't worry about us, steak can caviar are on the menu no matter what happens"Jun 15 21:41
DaemonFC*candJun 15 21:41
DaemonFC*andJun 15 21:42
cubezzzhttp://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~greg/CFbench.htmlJun 15 21:42
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DaemonFC$146 is about like another Indiana state income tax applied to your payroll if you make ~$20,000 a yearJun 15 21:42
DaemonFC"We're stealing from you so that countries that pollute the worst can keep polluting. Don't worry, your standard of living and the standard of living in Mexico will approach a 1:1 ratio by the time Obama leaves office."Jun 15 21:45
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 21:45
DaemonFCWhat makes things unsustainable is the government encouraging reproduction by handing out welfare after canceling sex ed programsJun 15 21:47
DaemonFCIf they wanted pollution to go down, they'd get rid of welfare for single mothersJun 15 21:48
DaemonFCstop encouraging themJun 15 21:48
DaemonFCschestowitz, You notice the new XBOX 360 doesn't look smaller, it just looks like it's been beveled?Jun 15 21:50
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 21:50
DaemonFChmm, the new one supports standard HDMI cablesJun 15 21:51
ender2070the loon called me a terroristJun 15 21:55
DaemonFCyou are a terrorist, you terroristJun 15 21:55
ender2070LOLJun 15 21:55
DaemonFCbe glad that CSPAN or whatever you call that Canadian CIA wanna-be doesn't ship your ass to the Riyadh for "enhanced interrogation"Jun 15 21:55
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 21:56
MinceRi thought CSPAN was a tv channelJun 15 21:57
DaemonFCMinceR, I was jokingJun 15 21:57
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Security_Intelligence_ServiceJun 15 21:57
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ender2070http://twitter.com/stonemirror/status/16250689298Jun 15 21:59
TechrightsTitle: Twitter / David Schlesinger: @atlasdx Er, what on earth ... .::. Size~: 10.91 KBJun 15 21:59
DaemonFCIt's to make it look like there is a "Canadian Intelligence". Kind of like the Kijŏng-dong village on the 38th parallel.Jun 15 21:59
DaemonFCThe Canadian government pays people to turn the lights on and off in the CSIS buildingJun 15 21:59
DaemonFCThere are actually only two CSIS Special Agents, they're in charge of re-typing whatever the CIA tells them on Canadian letterheadJun 15 22:00
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 22:00
ender2070cubezzz - KDE has more funds than Gnome, they do better book keeping.Jun 15 22:02
DaemonFCThey also keep some CSIS badges handy for undercover CIA agents that want to kidnap CanadiansJun 15 22:02
ender2070cubezzz - I had looked up KDE's stuff to see if they allowed lobbyists on their board and they pretty much dontJun 15 22:03
DaemonFCender2070, Better be quiet or CSIS will get youJun 15 22:03
DaemonFCthey hide under your bed at nightJun 15 22:03
ender2070gnome's advisory board is a lobbying boardJun 15 22:04
ender2070not all lobbying is bad though it depends on who it isJun 15 22:04
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DaemonFCender2070, If it begins with "Concerned", it's badJun 15 22:06
DaemonFC"Concerned Citizens"Jun 15 22:06
DaemonFC"Concerned Women"Jun 15 22:07
DaemonFCetcJun 15 22:07
DaemonFCoil companies and Right To Life, respectively in those examplesJun 15 22:07
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amd-linuxFYI: Ballmer's departure seems to be imminent. A major German business & management magazine has already published a "funeral" eulogy about Microsoft and Ballmer. Right on their cover:Jun 15 22:09
amd-linuxhttp://www.wiwo.de/Jun 15 22:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @stonemirror #HTC #shortages force U.S. Cellular to delay #Desire launch http://bit.ly/c5zCrQJun 15 22:10
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amd-linuxThey doubt that Ballmer has a future and are speculating who is following him: http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmen-maerkte/microsoft-weg-vom-fenster-432839/Jun 15 22:11
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amd-linuxI doubt that he will start 2011 as the CEO of MS Jun 15 22:12
amd-linuxbut this is just speculation from my side.....Jun 15 22:12
amd-linuxgood night, guysJun 15 22:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Was just listening to my last.fm neighborhood radio (http://bit.ly/9LE2jZ) and S-Club 7 came on. Strangely, I dug the song. :-)Jun 15 22:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way home now..just passed Radlett station.Jun 15 22:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] While 'L'Esprit du Clan' sounds like a French restaurant, they are a pretty awesome band.Jun 15 22:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Assassinate a Pop Star By Illegally Downloading Music - http://bit.ly/at3O79 don't they realise this is rather fun? #music #piracyJun 15 22:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux is Winning in the Operating Systems Space http://ur1.ca/07sfd http://ur1.ca/07sfgJun 15 22:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People Who Ought to Use #GNU #Linux and a Look at Those Who Already Do http://ur1.ca/07sfp http://ur1.ca/07sfqJun 15 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ylmf OS 3.0 Final: Based on Ubuntu 10.04, Classic Windows XP UI - http://bit.ly/c0CDTk no, really #ubunut #windowsxp #chinaJun 15 22:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Apple 's Marketing and AstroTurfing Can be Beaten by #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/07sfw Apple uses aggressive PR agenciesJun 15 22:37
TechrightsTitle: Welcome to LinuxInsider .::. Size~: 3.14 KBJun 15 22:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Not Using #GNU #Linux Can be Waste of Valuable Money, Microsoft's Sales Model is Old http://ur1.ca/07sg7 http://ur1.ca/07sg8Jun 15 22:38
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TechrightsTitle: Microsoft sells software like its 1984  What Will We Use on June 30, 2011? .::. Size~: 44.38 KBJun 15 22:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I like, but it's perhaps too erudite for masses ♺ @smaffulli: Do you like the new sticker from Defective by Design? http://is.gd/cQEMy #dbdJun 15 22:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Assassinate a Pop Star By Illegally Downloading #Music - http://bit.ly/at3O79 don't they realise this is rather fun? #piracyJun 15 22:43
TechrightsTitle:    Assassinate a Pop Star By Illegally Downloading Music | TorrentFreak   .::. Size~: 37.31 KBJun 15 22:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux From #Google Said to be Receiving OEM Support http://ur1.ca/07si0 http://ur1.ca/07si1Jun 15 22:50
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DaemonFCI'd rather assassinate a porn star by poking holes in the  Blu Ray protectionJun 15 22:53
DaemonFCB-)Jun 15 22:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Poor Mark - rolling on his back, he caught one paw in the fence. Poor old puppy.Jun 15 23:00
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*DaemonFC replaces cubezzz's FC1 wit Folgers Crystals, let's see if he notices how much easier it is to compile the latest MinefieldJun 15 23:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] My wife has found out about the addictions of forum posting....she's spent an entire evening on the Springwatch Forums! Good effort!Jun 15 23:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I was about 10 when this came out....it was all over the radio at the time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY41o-iZStIJun 15 23:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Games for #GNU #Linux and Steam Too http://ur1.ca/07smv http://ur1.ca/07smw http://ur1.ca/07smxJun 15 23:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Beta 2 of #KDE SC 4.5.0, #GNOME 's #Gedit Improves http://ur1.ca/07sn9 http://ur1.ca/0733cJun 15 23:15
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DaemonFCMSVSC (Microsoft's Visual Spaghetti C?)Jun 15 23:21
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 23:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora Can be the New Dominant Distro http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1616Jun 15 23:22
TechrightsTitle: TechRepublic Blogs: For IT professionals, by IT professionals .::. Size~: 85.72 KBJun 15 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Bye bye #libxml in #elmdentica, welcome json-c (much, much simpler).Jun 15 23:36
DaemonFChmmmmJun 15 23:38
DaemonFCMSN's home page is featuring that Chinese woman's DIY Parking video that was up on Youtube 17 days agoJun 15 23:39
DaemonFC:)Jun 15 23:39
*DaemonFC wonder's when they get to reporting on the Rickroll phenomenon Jun 15 23:39
DaemonFChttp://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/home-dyn.aspx?cp-documentid=24521204&GT1=33014Jun 15 23:45
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DaemonFC"Sales of consumer staples tell us a lot about consumers' bottom lines."Jun 15 23:45
DaemonFChar har harJun 15 23:45
DaemonFCMSN without Adblock, now 500% more seizure inducingJun 15 23:49
DaemonFCyikesJun 15 23:49
DaemonFCThe recession is over, people are buying three ply toilet paper!!!Jun 15 23:50
DaemonFCYippee!!!!Jun 15 23:51
DaemonFC"How absorbent IS three ply Charmin? Glad you asked! We're here at Deepwater Horizons to simulate what can happen in the bathroom with those "BARGAIN brands"..."Jun 15 23:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Political Spirit of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux Debated http://ur1.ca/07sss http://ur1.ca/07ssu http://ur1.ca/07ssy http://ur1.ca/07st1Jun 15 23:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Examples of #Linux /FOSS in #Robotics and Routers http://www.handlewithlinux.com/diy-linux-robot http://www.dwasifar.com/?p=1171Jun 15 23:54
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DaemonFC"How many times have you eaten at Chipotles and have a failure of your blowout preventer mere hours later? With new Three Ply Charmin, we guarantee these little mishaps will be a lot easier to clean up."Jun 15 23:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Devices Running #Linux / #Android http://ur1.ca/07stk http://ur1.ca/07stlJun 15 23:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the #Linux -based #Android 2.2 http://ur1.ca/07su5 http://ur1.ca/07su6Jun 15 23:59
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