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DaemonFC | hmmm, I found the definition of when he's required to register a second address | Jun 19 00:01 |
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DaemonFC | "other address where the sex or violent offender spends more than seven (7) nights in a fourteen (14) day period, and mailing address, if different from the sex or violent offender's principal residence address." | Jun 19 00:01 |
DaemonFC | so if he spends half his time here, he has to register here too | Jun 19 00:01 |
DaemonFC | or else he's committing a D Felony | Jun 19 00:01 |
DaemonFC | they'll probably just warn him | Jun 19 00:03 |
AntiPudd1ng | i don't see yet how to get two operating systems running at once, with alternating control of my video card | Jun 19 00:03 |
DaemonFC | but then again, it does make the property value go down | Jun 19 00:03 |
MinceR | dual booting? :> | Jun 19 00:03 |
DaemonFC | could guard against a rent increase | Jun 19 00:03 |
DaemonFC | I think Obama has lost his re-election in filing that suit to block the Arizona immigration law | Jun 19 00:08 |
DaemonFC | most people support that law | Jun 19 00:08 |
DaemonFC | passing it was probably designed to lure the feds into this | Jun 19 00:09 |
DaemonFC | ?This is no way to treat the people of Arizona,? the governor said in a statement. ?To learn of this lawsuit through an Ecuadorean interview with the Secretary of State is just outrageous. If our own government intends to sue our state to prevent illegal immigration enforcement, the least it can do is inform us before it informs the citizens of another nation.? | Jun 19 00:12 |
DaemonFC | heh | Jun 19 00:12 |
DaemonFC | The bitch of it is that whatever Obama does, he loses | Jun 19 00:14 |
DaemonFC | even if he wins the lawsuit | Jun 19 00:14 |
DaemonFC | the fact that the feds are moving in will be branded as a "Federal power grab" no matter what happens | Jun 19 00:14 |
DaemonFC | If the court does determine that only the Federal government has the power to decide immigration laws, it will most likely be based on what is implied by the section of the US constitution dealing with foreign treaties | Jun 19 00:16 |
DaemonFC | that's kind of shaky grounds for a lawsuit | Jun 19 00:16 |
DaemonFC | I don't know of any federal laws that say a state can't do this | Jun 19 00:16 |
DaemonFC | of course it's the federal court system so they'll invent one | Jun 19 00:16 |
DaemonFC | that just makes things look even worse | Jun 19 00:17 |
DaemonFC | and even if they win on solid legal grounds, they still piss off a lot of registered voters, myself included, who don't want illegal aliens here | Jun 19 00:17 |
DaemonFC | and if they lose the lawsuit, it looks even worse than winning it because it was a failed Federal power grab that goes against the wishes of the majority, and was defeated by a state | Jun 19 00:18 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 19 00:18 |
DaemonFC | now it's open season on the Feds while other states pass laws declaring their ability to handle functions of the central government | Jun 19 00:19 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jun 19 00:19 |
DaemonFC | but if he had done nothing, it would have also been open season | Jun 19 00:20 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: How about a nice game of Tic Tac Toe? :P | Jun 19 00:20 |
MinceR | Later. Let's play Global Thermonuclear War. | Jun 19 00:21 |
DaemonFC | Welcome Mr. President......... | Jun 19 00:21 |
DaemonFC | Dakota 492 | Jun 19 00:21 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 19 00:21 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4wk6jSNZU8&feature=related | Jun 19 00:25 |
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DaemonFC | :D | Jun 19 00:25 |
MinceR | gn | Jun 19 00:27 |
AntiPudd1ng | MinceR: that's horribly crude .. we should be past that stage | Jun 19 00:27 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHWjlCaIrQo&feature=related | Jun 19 00:28 |
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MinceR | yes, and the human species should either be civilized or extinct | Jun 19 00:31 |
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schestowitz | That's not a condition | Jun 19 00:43 |
schestowitz | A modernised species that's not civilised can destory itself | Jun 19 00:43 |
schestowitz | So people need to be taught to abandon misguised notion | Jun 19 00:43 |
schestowitz | *misguided | Jun 19 00:44 |
schestowitz | Speaking of misguided... :-) | Jun 19 00:44 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDjINoP0OE0&feature=related | Jun 19 00:44 |
Techrights | Title: YouTube- Richard Dawkins Interviews Creationist Wendy Wright (Part 4/7) .::. Size~: 95.88 KB | Jun 19 00:44 |
schestowitz | It's amazing how many people are deliberately dishonest or fool themselves | Jun 19 00:44 |
DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/96676934.html | Jun 19 00:44 |
Techrights | Title: Sign Of The Times: Lassus Store Says No BP Sold Here | Indiana's NewsCenter: News, Sports, Weather, Fort Wayne WPTA-TV, WISE-TV, CW, and My Network| Local & Regional .::. Size~: 70.37 KB | Jun 19 00:44 |
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cubezzz | neither knows | Jun 19 00:58 |
cubezzz | not the scientists, nor the creationists | Jun 19 00:58 |
cubezzz | the only truth is to say you don't know | Jun 19 00:58 |
cubezzz | people don't like to say that though | Jun 19 00:58 |
schestowitz | "@jzb, I think !fsf is open to constructive feedback; you & I have even discussed it offline. But public lambaste isn't constructive, though." http://identi.ca/notice/36827405 | Jun 19 00:59 |
Techrights | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Friday, 18-Jun-10 11:46:44 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.04 KB | Jun 19 00:59 |
schestowitz | FSF unhappy with Novell's zonker | Jun 19 00:59 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz is trying his damndest to peg me as a far right wing evangelical science-hater because I go to the chiropractor | Jun 19 00:59 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 19 00:59 |
schestowitz | Nope | Jun 19 01:00 |
schestowitz | Just that you daemonise MDs | Jun 19 01:00 |
DaemonFC | I still counter that it's a fraction of the price of the MD, many times more effective, there's no dead patients, and I'm not being sold into slavery to pay a drug cartel | Jun 19 01:00 |
schestowitz | Notice in BN I don't denounce medical drugs | Jun 19 01:00 |
schestowitz | I condone the work | Jun 19 01:00 |
DaemonFC | oh shit | Jun 19 01:00 |
DaemonFC | storm just came out of nowhere | Jun 19 01:00 |
schestowitz | The issue I have is different and I try to bring that up to exclude myself from sciencephobs | Jun 19 01:00 |
DaemonFC | major pressure change | Jun 19 01:00 |
DaemonFC | not good | Jun 19 01:00 |
schestowitz | Quick! Hide the jabb! | Jun 19 01:01 |
schestowitz | Put it in the microwave | Jun 19 01:01 |
schestowitz | :-p | Jun 19 01:01 |
schestowitz | Just don't mistakenly hit any of the bottoms | Jun 19 01:01 |
schestowitz | *uns | Jun 19 01:01 |
DaemonFC | he's hiding under the TV | Jun 19 01:02 |
DaemonFC | fail | Jun 19 01:02 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/36828973 "@jzb, I appreciate that feedback. My point is: you're using a tactic !FSF reserves for only most nasty practices to get your message to us." | Jun 19 01:02 |
Techrights | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Friday, 18-Jun-10 12:00:35 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.03 KB | Jun 19 01:02 |
DaemonFC | ahhhh | Jun 19 01:02 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: I hope you get the humours tone across | Jun 19 01:02 |
DaemonFC | here he goes | Jun 19 01:02 |
schestowitz | *humourous | Jun 19 01:02 |
schestowitz | [00:58] <cubezzz> neither knows | Jun 19 01:02 |
DaemonFC | yes | Jun 19 01:02 |
schestowitz | Depends on /what/ it knows | Jun 19 01:02 |
schestowitz | I mean, we can't tell for sure how black holes work | Jun 19 01:02 |
schestowitz | But we do know a lot about DNA | Jun 19 01:02 |
DaemonFC | that's going to be a nasty storm | Jun 19 01:03 |
DaemonFC | black clouds rotating | Jun 19 01:03 |
cubezzz | I was talking about metaphysical questions like "where did the universe come from?" | Jun 19 01:03 |
DaemonFC | wind blowing | Jun 19 01:03 |
DaemonFC | gah | Jun 19 01:03 |
schestowitz | The creationist crowd like to go to unknowns outside of biology and use that to show that we don't know everything, _yet_ | Jun 19 01:03 |
cubezzz | we don't really know | Jun 19 01:03 |
schestowitz | Doing experiments around black holes is hard cause we have none around her | Jun 19 01:03 |
schestowitz | [that we know of] | Jun 19 01:03 |
cubezzz | we can't even get to Mars never mind black holes | Jun 19 01:04 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: there are things we do know | Jun 19 01:04 |
schestowitz | Like the expansion | Jun 19 01:04 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: You notice how much less reliable the Weather Channel's website has been | Jun 19 01:04 |
DaemonFC | ever since thewy changed to ASP.NET | Jun 19 01:04 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: we have robots in Mars right now | Jun 19 01:05 |
schestowitz | They run free/libre software :-) | Jun 19 01:05 |
cubezzz | yes, but no humans on Mars | Jun 19 01:05 |
DaemonFC | vxwors ins nonfree | Jun 19 01:05 |
schestowitz | Need terraforming | Jun 19 01:05 |
DaemonFC | *vxworks | Jun 19 01:05 |
cubezzz | "we can't get to Mars" | Jun 19 01:05 |
cubezzz | which is true | Jun 19 01:05 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: it has more on the stack | Jun 19 01:05 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: we can't | Jun 19 01:05 |
schestowitz | *we can | Jun 19 01:05 |
schestowitz | It's just not inhibitable | Jun 19 01:06 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: My DSL modem/router runs Linux | Jun 19 01:06 |
schestowitz | For our bodies (DNA) that evolved here | Jun 19 01:06 |
DaemonFC | Netgear has the source code posted | Jun 19 01:06 |
DaemonFC | they, unlike Samsung, seem to post everything before someone asks | Jun 19 01:06 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jun 19 01:06 |
schestowitz | We could breed and generate life that's better suited to Mars | Jun 19 01:06 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: they have to | Jun 19 01:06 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Would be nice if all hardware makers voluntarily complied that well | Jun 19 01:06 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/36828456 "@jzb, another point: it's one thing to publicly lambaste people working AGAINST you, but you claim to share !fsf 's goals in your attack?" | Jun 19 01:07 |
Techrights | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Friday, 18-Jun-10 11:56:09 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.03 KB | Jun 19 01:07 |
schestowitz | Whao | Jun 19 01:07 |
schestowitz | Drama | Jun 19 01:07 |
DaemonFC | I don't consider arm twisting to be voluntary compliance | Jun 19 01:07 |
DaemonFC | Bradley Kuhn is fairly abrasive | Jun 19 01:07 |
DaemonFC | I'm not going to say hostile | Jun 19 01:07 |
DaemonFC | but abrasive | Jun 19 01:07 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/36835994 http://identi.ca/notice/36838540 | Jun 19 01:08 |
Techrights | Title: Ben Finney (bignose) 's status on Friday, 18-Jun-10 12:57:36 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.03 KB | Jun 19 01:08 |
Techrights | Title: Ben Finney (bignose) 's status on Friday, 18-Jun-10 13:17:54 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.91 KB | Jun 19 01:08 |
schestowitz | Zonker is finished in gnu/fsf circles | Jun 19 01:08 |
schestowitz | [01:07] <DaemonFC> Bradley Kuhn is fairly abrasive | Jun 19 01:08 |
schestowitz | Vain | Jun 19 01:08 |
schestowitz | IMHO | Jun 19 01:08 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I consider "voluntary compliance" to mean doing the right thing before someone even has to ask | Jun 19 01:08 |
cubezzz | someone should talk about memory creep | Jun 19 01:08 |
schestowitz | He could tone it down a bit | Jun 19 01:08 |
schestowitz | When I do interviews I'm always friendly and I don't interrupt | Jun 19 01:08 |
schestowitz | RMS is also a bit rude | Jun 19 01:09 |
schestowitz | He doesn't let people finish | Jun 19 01:09 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I got the impression he was annoyed with me for being mad that there was a SIX WEEK turnaround between when I asked Samsung and when I ended up getting the source code | Jun 19 01:09 |
schestowitz | Extreme example: Bill ORLY | Jun 19 01:09 |
schestowitz | Foaming at the mouth | Jun 19 01:09 |
DaemonFC | which has yielded some useful patches btw | Jun 19 01:09 |
DaemonFC | there were several patches against libptp and xfsprogs | Jun 19 01:09 |
DaemonFC | that I know of | Jun 19 01:09 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: he was | Jun 19 01:10 |
schestowitz | He complained about you complaining about Samsung | Jun 19 01:10 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: six weeks is not OK in my book | Jun 19 01:10 |
schestowitz | Anyway, techrights is its own thing | Jun 19 01:10 |
DaemonFC | a few weeks would have been fine | Jun 19 01:10 |
DaemonFC | that zip file was huge | Jun 19 01:10 |
schestowitz | We were /never/ associated with anything else | Jun 19 01:10 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: online , the zip? | Jun 19 01:11 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Jun 19 01:11 |
DaemonFC | 311 MB | Jun 19 01:11 |
schestowitz | Cause they should put it up publicly and I think they need to give the URL too | Jun 19 01:11 |
schestowitz | Like putting it somewhere on the box | Jun 19 01:11 |
schestowitz | opensouce.<company>.com is common | Jun 19 01:11 |
schestowitz | *source | Jun 19 01:11 |
DaemonFC | that's what I mean, put it up before anyone has to ask | Jun 19 01:11 |
DaemonFC | that would be nice | Jun 19 01:11 |
DaemonFC | and make it clear where to go from the Support section in the fw | Jun 19 01:11 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/36837690 | Jun 19 01:12 |
Techrights | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Friday, 18-Jun-10 13:10:44 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.04 KB | Jun 19 01:12 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Sandeen was amused that they used XFS on a Blu Ray player | Jun 19 01:12 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/36828232 "so I'm confused: it's ok if @jzb launches negative campaign out of the blue, but unacceptable if !fsf does it as a last resort?" | Jun 19 01:12 |
Techrights | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Friday, 18-Jun-10 11:54:03 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.17 KB | Jun 19 01:12 |
DaemonFC | he told me he's going to add them to the people that use XFS list on the XFS website | Jun 19 01:12 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/36827967 "last resort only. !fsf spent decades of positive work to end DRM & proprietary sw. How many decades did you try bf. going negative?" | Jun 19 01:12 |
Techrights | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn) 's status on Friday, 18-Jun-10 11:51:42 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.04 KB | Jun 19 01:12 |
cubezzz | memory creep: each iteration of an OS needs more and more memory to run | Jun 19 01:13 |
cubezzz | try running modern linux with less than 256 megs | Jun 19 01:13 |
cubezzz | it's not pretty | Jun 19 01:13 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: We don't sit criminals down to try to talk things over | Jun 19 01:13 |
DaemonFC | we don't patiently wait 10 years for them to bring themselves into compliance | Jun 19 01:14 |
DaemonFC | surely not? | Jun 19 01:14 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: I have one at home | Jun 19 01:14 |
schestowitz | 256mb, kde 3.5 | Jun 19 01:14 |
schestowitz | depends on the apps you run, it's OK | Jun 19 01:14 |
schestowitz | Just don't use Firefox/amarok/etc | Jun 19 01:14 |
cubezzz | which distro? | Jun 19 01:14 |
schestowitz | Buntu | Jun 19 01:14 |
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schestowitz | I haven't powered it up in 2 years | Jun 19 01:15 |
schestowitz | Maybe it won't even start, who knows... | Jun 19 01:15 |
schestowitz | I would give this box away if I know who to | Jun 19 01:15 |
schestowitz | Bought it in 2005 | Jun 19 01:15 |
cubezzz | I can easily run Linux 2.2.26 in 16 megs of ram | Jun 19 01:15 |
schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/news/17/2010/193 | Jun 19 01:16 |
Techrights | Title: Open Source Can Control Hooliganism | Muktware .::. Size~: 21.05 KB | Jun 19 01:16 |
cubezzz | the newest 2.2 | Jun 19 01:16 |
cubezzz | it's good for ssh and top and stuff like that | Jun 19 01:16 |
DaemonFC | yeah, 2.4 has been on life support for ages | Jun 19 01:16 |
schestowitz | Linux is a pet project... becomes more like its owner over time | Jun 19 01:16 |
DaemonFC | just because of embedded hardware | Jun 19 01:16 |
DaemonFC | but even that will be abandoned eventually | Jun 19 01:16 |
cubezzz | I suppose I could adapt modern linux to run in less memory | Jun 19 01:17 |
cubezzz | a lot of memory is used by the video card driver | Jun 19 01:17 |
DaemonFC | a lot of the changes to 2.4.x have been backports of 2.6.x drivers | Jun 19 01:17 |
DaemonFC | like e1000 | Jun 19 01:17 |
DaemonFC | minor bugfixes | Jun 19 01:18 |
DaemonFC | that sort of thing | Jun 19 01:18 |
cubezzz | but when it starts getting bigger and bigger for no good reason... | Jun 19 01:18 |
schestowitz | IPjur: The EU Patent and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union - TFEU http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-248535 | Jun 19 01:18 |
Techrights | Title: News picks: IPjur: The EU Patent and the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union - TFEU .::. Size~: 27.58 KB | Jun 19 01:18 |
schestowitz | Oooh, nice. We're cited | Jun 19 01:18 |
DaemonFC | Linux is not big because it's full of useless crap | Jun 19 01:18 |
DaemonFC | Linux is big because it has to do a lot of things | Jun 19 01:18 |
AntiPudd1ng | like a hungarian peasant woman | Jun 19 01:19 |
DaemonFC | 2.4 series is not capable of scaling like 2.6 is | Jun 19 01:19 |
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DaemonFC | I think 2.4 series on has very bad SMP x2 support | Jun 19 01:19 |
AntiPudd1ng | it's like there's another person chatting here that i can't see | Jun 19 01:19 |
DaemonFC | 2.6 has very good support for SMP x 8192 | Jun 19 01:19 |
AntiPudd1ng | nobody on ignore, ok nm | Jun 19 01:20 |
DaemonFC | *only | Jun 19 01:20 |
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DaemonFC | killing off the big kernel lock has enabled 2.6 to scale more and more with every release | Jun 19 01:20 |
schestowitz | http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-06-14-lightcigarettes14_ST_N.htm | Jun 19 01:20 |
Techrights | Title: Changes in cigarette pack colors called not so mild - USATODAY.com .::. Size~: 57.75 KB | Jun 19 01:20 |
DaemonFC | there's been some legacy mistakes like reiserfs in mainline that are slowing this down | Jun 19 01:20 |
DaemonFC | as far as I know, reiserfs does not depend on the BKL anymore | Jun 19 01:21 |
DaemonFC | but removing that dependency has slowed it down a lot | Jun 19 01:21 |
DaemonFC | reiserfs is wholly inappropriate for a machine with more than one CPU | Jun 19 01:21 |
AntiPudd1ng | The FDA "should conduct a thorough science-based review and then ban any deceptive use of colors," Waxman said. | Jun 19 01:22 |
DaemonFC | deceptive use of colors | Jun 19 01:22 |
*DaemonFC facepalms | Jun 19 01:22 | |
DaemonFC | I'll take some Marlboro Rainbows | Jun 19 01:22 |
DaemonFC | they look FABULOUS!!! | Jun 19 01:22 |
DaemonFC | dammit, I was mislead | Jun 19 01:22 |
DaemonFC | curse you RJ Reynolds!!! | Jun 19 01:22 |
schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/06/be-true-soccer-fan-get-vuvuzela.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+luqman+%28GHABUNTU%29 "The noisy horn that has become a trademark of the FIFA World Cup in South Africa." for shizzle? | Jun 19 01:22 |
Techrights | Title: Be a true soccer fan- Get the Vuvuzela experience right in your home | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 66.98 KB | Jun 19 01:22 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think people should be allowed to smoke, provided one condition | Jun 19 01:23 |
AntiPudd1ng | :) | Jun 19 01:23 |
AntiPudd1ng | i found the packages coloring quite effective | Jun 19 01:23 |
DaemonFC | they either decline participation in social health insurance programs | Jun 19 01:23 |
DaemonFC | or agree to be double taxed | Jun 19 01:23 |
AntiPudd1ng | they do have softer colors than red/white marlboro | Jun 19 01:23 |
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DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 19 01:23 |
schestowitz | all generalisations are false, except this one | Jun 19 01:23 |
DaemonFC | all generalizations are true except that one | Jun 19 01:24 |
schestowitz | it's lik tobacco placebo | Jun 19 01:24 |
AntiPudd1ng | DaemonFC: how about people who engage in dangerous sports? haven't you just identified a problem with social insurance programs themselves? | Jun 19 01:24 |
schestowitz | Or when they test pill colour to find out which is more soothing | Jun 19 01:24 |
schestowitz | mental effect | Jun 19 01:24 |
DaemonFC | that some people throw caution to the wind, pay in as much as everyone else, and have 3 tiems as many claims? | Jun 19 01:25 |
DaemonFC | yeah that is a problem | Jun 19 01:25 |
DaemonFC | *times | Jun 19 01:25 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @ebertchicago We're convinced we'll have another lifetime during which we can admire all the stuff we've pack-ratted away. | Jun 19 01:25 | |
AntiPudd1ng | Dr. Hans-Herman Hoppe has some good essays / lectures on this online | Jun 19 01:25 |
schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/06/native-pdf-rendering-coming-to-google.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+luqman+%28GHABUNTU%29 thyey take over everything | Jun 19 01:25 |
Techrights | Title: Native PDF rendering coming to Google Chrome | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 70.53 KB | Jun 19 01:25 |
AntiPudd1ng | nature of insurance, private and compulsory | Jun 19 01:26 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: There's an interesting phenomena in social insurance | Jun 19 01:26 |
DaemonFC | people tend to stub their toe and go to the doc because it's "free" | Jun 19 01:26 |
schestowitz | *non? | Jun 19 01:26 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Jun 19 01:26 |
schestowitz | phenomena is plural | Jun 19 01:26 |
DaemonFC | crossed wire | Jun 19 01:26 |
schestowitz | Common thing | Jun 19 01:26 |
DaemonFC | doesn't your system charge people for their own frivolous claims? | Jun 19 01:27 |
schestowitz | I still see "sneak peek" mispelled most of the time | Jun 19 01:27 |
schestowitz | The typos become infectious | Jun 19 01:27 |
DaemonFC | like people do stupid shit and hurt themselves and it's totally their fault | Jun 19 01:27 |
schestowitz | No | Jun 19 01:27 |
DaemonFC | your system doesn't pay for that does it? | Jun 19 01:27 |
cubezzz | we shouldn't have misspellings in the computer age | Jun 19 01:27 |
schestowitz | That's the US madness | Jun 19 01:27 |
schestowitz | But it's funny | Jun 19 01:27 |
schestowitz | In the jacuzzi I use they need to state depth | Jun 19 01:28 |
schestowitz | There's the whole liability thing | Jun 19 01:28 |
schestowitz | But US takes it to the extreme | Jun 19 01:28 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'll give you an example. The people who had rented the house my mom lives in now put mattresses out on the lawn | Jun 19 01:28 |
DaemonFC | and threw themselves out of the second floor windows | Jun 19 01:28 |
DaemonFC | now if this was the UK.... | Jun 19 01:28 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: "sneak peak" passes spell checker test | Jun 19 01:28 |
DaemonFC | who pays when the dumbass breaks his damned neck? | Jun 19 01:29 |
schestowitz | and if people google it, they'll find the same mistake approved | Jun 19 01:29 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 19 01:29 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, then: curl dict://dict.org/d:$1 | Jun 19 01:29 |
cubezzz | not very hard | Jun 19 01:29 |
schestowitz | In old KDE I had a nice widget for it | Jun 19 01:30 |
schestowitz | Linux changes too fast | Jun 19 01:30 |
cubezzz | nah | Jun 19 01:30 |
AntiPudd1ng | DaemonFC: it leads very directly to some important, stark ethical questions | Jun 19 01:30 |
cubezzz | I did say curl yes? :) | Jun 19 01:30 |
schestowitz | You're Canadian, so... | Jun 19 01:30 |
cubezzz | no one likes command line any more? | Jun 19 01:30 |
AntiPudd1ng | me | Jun 19 01:31 |
cubezzz | ok, one drawback... it needs the net to work | Jun 19 01:31 |
cubezzz | but assuming that it does work, it works well | Jun 19 01:31 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, it's using "The Collaborative International Dictionary of English" | Jun 19 01:32 |
cubezzz | so multiple accepted spellings | Jun 19 01:32 |
cubezzz | which is good for the net | Jun 19 01:32 |
DaemonFC | to a certain extent, socialized medicine must lead to an increase in irresponsibility | Jun 19 01:32 |
DaemonFC | people know they can be idiots and going to the doctor is free | Jun 19 01:33 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: off you go again right-wing | Jun 19 01:33 |
cubezzz | sometimes I wonder if people have stopped thinking | Jun 19 01:33 |
schestowitz | "horror stories" for single payer? | Jun 19 01:33 |
schestowitz | cubezzz: no | Jun 19 01:33 |
schestowitz | They bought an hypePad | Jun 19 01:33 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: People already do stupid shit because they know they won't pay their bill anyway | Jun 19 01:34 |
DaemonFC | so I guess it might be a wash | Jun 19 01:34 |
cubezzz | I thought they did in the States | Jun 19 01:34 |
schestowitz | Dumb people don't think about insurance | Jun 19 01:36 |
cubezzz | true text based should be used more often | Jun 19 01:36 |
schestowitz | It's just a circular argument | Jun 19 01:36 |
cubezzz | it's always faster than using bit-maps I think | Jun 19 01:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2010/06/16/725-swimming-next-to-the-ocean | Jun 19 01:37 |
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schestowitz | cubezzz: learning curve | Jun 19 01:37 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I guess it's just unfortunate that people help someone who threw themselves out of a second floor window onto a mattress, for fun, in the first place | Jun 19 01:37 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jun 19 01:37 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Polar bear shaking off water [Flickr] http://goo.gl/fb/aDARv | Jun 19 01:37 | |
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cubezzz | schestowitz, I would submit to you that text based interface is easier to learn than a GUI | Jun 19 01:37 |
cubezzz | tests have been done with old people who never used computers before | Jun 19 01:38 |
schestowitz | Depends on the task | Jun 19 01:38 |
schestowitz | Trying drawing with ncurses | Jun 19 01:38 |
cubezzz | the idea that you can have a window pop up asyncronously can be very distracting | Jun 19 01:38 |
DaemonFC | http://mobile.latimes.com/inf/infomo;jsessionid=CD70C76C943DBF54FB54.157?view=page1&feed:a=latimes_1min&feed:c=nationnews&feed:i=54410765&nopaging=1 | Jun 19 01:39 |
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schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/06/google-releases-command-line-tool-for-accessing-web-services.ars | Jun 19 01:39 |
DaemonFC | "Five marksmen fired, and Gardner slumped down. To ease the psychological burden on the executioners, one of them was given a blank round, but none knew who. " | Jun 19 01:39 |
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schestowitz | Just in.. | Jun 19 01:39 |
DaemonFC | lol | Jun 19 01:39 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: PR stunt | Jun 19 01:40 |
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schestowitz | They could bring one of the boys from Iraq - those who actively look for action | Jun 19 01:40 |
cubezzz | schestowitz, drawing on the computer is an odd thing to do | Jun 19 01:41 |
cubezzz | I never really felt I had full control | Jun 19 01:41 |
DaemonFC | "Problems still persist: In September, executioners in Ohio spent two hours trying to inject lethal drugs into a death penalty inmate, who at one point tried to help medical workers find the right vein. It's unclear whether the courts will allow him to be brought into the death chamber a second time." | Jun 19 01:41 |
DaemonFC | lmao | Jun 19 01:41 |
schestowitz | Now each shooter can say he killed 0.8 of a man | Jun 19 01:41 |
DaemonFC | "Oh fuck it, give me that damned thing" | Jun 19 01:42 |
DaemonFC | lol | Jun 19 01:42 |
schestowitz | Yikes | Jun 19 01:42 |
schestowitz | Let him suffer more | Jun 19 01:42 |
schestowitz | They probably deserve it sometimes anyway | Jun 19 01:42 |
schestowitz | Here we don't have death penalty | Jun 19 01:42 |
DaemonFC | I know that | Jun 19 01:42 |
schestowitz | They could make HellOnEarth(R) | Jun 19 01:42 |
schestowitz | A device for evaluating hell for brutal criminakls | Jun 19 01:43 |
schestowitz | That would deter more criminals than just quick death | Jun 19 01:43 |
schestowitz | [01:41] <DaemonFC> "Problems still persist: In September, executioners in Ohio spent two hours trying to inject lethal drugs into a death penalty inmate, who at one point tried to help medical workers find the right vein. It's unclear whether the courts will allow him to be brought into the death chamber a second time." | Jun 19 01:43 |
schestowitz | They probably just wanna save money | Jun 19 01:43 |
schestowitz | Favourite last meal and all | Jun 19 01:44 |
DaemonFC | "Capital punishment in the United Kingdom was abolished in the twentieth century. The last executions in the United Kingdom, by hanging, took place in 1964, prior to capital punishment being abolished for murder (in 1969 in Great Britain and in 1973 in Northern Ireland). Although not applied since, the death penalty remained on the statute book for certain other offences until 1998." | Jun 19 01:44 |
DaemonFC | Treason? | Jun 19 01:44 |
schestowitz | Charlie won't go to Burger Kind again | Jun 19 01:44 |
schestowitz | *King | Jun 19 01:44 |
schestowitz | Ryan Paul promotes the anti-FSF line http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/06/the-free-software-foundations-advocacy.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rssamp;comments=1 | Jun 19 01:45 |
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schestowitz | He seems to agree w/ that | Jun 19 01:45 |
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DaemonFC | "A November 2009 television survey showed that 70% favoured reinstating the death penalty for at least one of the following crimes: armed robbery, rape, paedophilia, terrorism, adult murder, child murder, child rape, treason, child abuse, or kidnapping." | Jun 19 01:48 |
DaemonFC | so the majority of people are sane | Jun 19 01:48 |
DaemonFC | and the minority is getting their way | Jun 19 01:48 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: which country? | Jun 19 01:51 |
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schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/17/cutting-emissions-not-fix-water-cycle | Jun 19 01:52 |
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DaemonFC | yes, dig deep friends | Jun 19 01:53 |
DaemonFC | over the course of the next 20 years, the additional taxes will steal another years wages from you | Jun 19 01:53 |
DaemonFC | just ebar with us over something that still isn't being solved | Jun 19 01:53 |
DaemonFC | **bear | Jun 19 01:54 |
DaemonFC | it's just an excuse for another tax | Jun 19 01:54 |
DaemonFC | always something | Jun 19 01:54 |
schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/author/ryan-paul/ | Jun 19 02:01 |
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schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/16/un-review-carbon-offset-abuses | Jun 19 02:02 |
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schestowitz | gn | Jun 19 02:03 |
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AntiPudd1ng | NYC_2010_Faber.wmv very good | Jun 19 02:10 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, everyone seems finally settled, as I said earlier its been a challenging day. "Smoke me a kipper, i'll be back for breakfast" | Jun 19 02:24 | |
cubezzz | Motorola looks like they are in trouble | Jun 19 02:36 |
cubezzz | operating income: $-158 million (2009) | Jun 19 02:36 |
cubezzz | In July 2008, a large number of executives left Motorola to work on Apple Inc.'s iPhone | Jun 19 02:38 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @LeslieD: I'll be there, will you?! RT @omarg: the second Linux Against Poverty Install Fest is here. http://bit.ly/drplLd | Jun 19 02:54 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] O_o - @NajibRazak wants suggestions to name his cat http://bit.ly/9yVwAe | Jun 19 03:05 | |
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cubezzz | bah, I need to retrofit gcc onto old linux | Jun 19 03:53 |
cubezzz | making a special section just for linux 2.2 | Jun 19 04:01 |
oiaohm | cubezzz: at some point old Linux has to die. | Jun 19 04:01 |
cubezzz | no, not until my 486 dies | Jun 19 04:02 |
cubezzz | besides, I can use it with freedos | Jun 19 04:02 |
cubezzz | I just felt like putting gcc on it | Jun 19 04:02 |
cubezzz | dead is PDP-11 | Jun 19 04:03 |
cubezzz | don't worry, I won't go back that far :) | Jun 19 04:04 |
cubezzz | I only have 100 meg partition so I can't add too much | Jun 19 04:07 |
cubezzz | man pages don't seem to work right | Jun 19 04:23 |
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cubezzz | upgraded to dmidecode 2.10 on fc1 (from 2.2) | Jun 19 04:53 |
cubezzz | looks strange doesn't it? | Jun 19 04:53 |
cubezzz | looks more like I downgraded | Jun 19 04:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Wishing I cd attend the Geeknic tomorrow! http://gidgetkitchen.org/wiki/Geeknic2 I've gotta work. | Jun 19 05:19 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Good food good ppl RT @pleia2: So excited about the Geeknic tomorrow! http://gidgetkitchen.org/wiki/Geeknic2 | Jun 19 05:20 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Introducing the Google Command Line Tool: http://tinyurl.com/38xtlsr | Jun 19 06:29 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] OMG, I see, David "Lefty" Schlesinger is on a rampage again. | Jun 19 07:00 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] ♻ @ml2mst: OMG, I see, David "Lefty" Schlesinger is on a rampage again. | Jun 19 07:04 | |
ender2070 | http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/audio2009/Alan_Watt_on_Truth_Quest_with_Melodee__KHEN_106_9_FM_Salida_Colorado_USA_Apr072009_HOUR1.mp3 | Jun 19 07:21 |
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AntiPudd1ng | what about ender2070 | Jun 19 07:24 |
ender2070 | ? | Jun 19 07:32 |
AntiPudd1ng | subject of mp3 is what ender2070 ? | Jun 19 07:37 |
ender2070 | ohh | Jun 19 07:38 |
ender2070 | UN, world control, elite authors who blurted stuff out | Jun 19 07:38 |
AntiPudd1ng | ty | Jun 19 07:44 |
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AntiPudd1ng | http://pics.nase-bohren.de/4perfectlyroundcircles.jpg damn hardcore optical illusion! | Jun 19 08:30 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2446 | Jun 19 08:37 |
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schestowitz | AntiPudd1ng: http://pics.nase-bohren.de/vuvuzela_coke.jpg | Jun 19 08:38 |
cubezzz | old linux has lots of interesting stuff: | Jun 19 08:38 |
schestowitz | :-) | Jun 19 08:38 |
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cubezzz | Show_Memory Shift-Scrollock | Jun 19 08:38 |
nawi | http://search.slashdot.org/story/10/06/19/0122214/Italian-MEP-Wants-To-Eliminate-Anonymity-On-the-Internet | Jun 19 08:39 |
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nawi | every time I wake up there's a new fucking batshit crazy news article | Jun 19 08:39 |
nawi | so depressing | Jun 19 08:39 |
schestowitz | WHat now? | Jun 19 08:43 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Odd postal spam to my company address.Printed hand-written envelope containing fake article 'torn' out of a paper with a post-it attached. | Jun 19 08:44 | |
nawi | schestowitz, well that slashdot story | Jun 19 08:45 |
nawi | but it's a general thing | Jun 19 08:45 |
nawi | rarely a day goes by without atleast one bad news | Jun 19 08:46 |
nawi | article | Jun 19 08:46 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] http://www.octane.uk.net/2010/04/asa-investigate-chris-cardell-newspaper-cutting-scam/ unsurprising, this was what I got, scam. | Jun 19 08:47 | |
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schestowitz | nawi: what's not bad news is just "normal" | Jun 19 08:57 |
schestowitz | what makes news are changes, often for the worse (scandals) | Jun 19 08:57 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New talk from Stephan Kinsella: The Case Against Intellectual Property Rights http://techrights.org/2010/06/19/against-ipr/ | Jun 19 08:58 | |
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schestowitz | RMS' explanation of this is decent (about negativity) | Jun 19 08:59 |
nawi | you mean his critique of the pirate party? | Jun 19 08:59 |
cubezzz | hmmm? | Jun 19 09:00 |
AntiPudd1ng | ty schestowitz | Jun 19 09:02 |
schestowitz | Pirate parties around the world sometimes want to just kill copyright | Jun 19 09:02 |
schestowitz | GPL needs copyright | Jun 19 09:02 |
nawi | no, I haven't heard about that | Jun 19 09:03 |
nawi | though I personally do | Jun 19 09:03 |
nawi | I'm not a copyleft advocate, only free software | Jun 19 09:03 |
schestowitz | free as in freedom? | Jun 19 09:03 |
nawi | our party actually responded to Stallman, but only in finnish.. | Jun 19 09:03 |
nawi | schestowitz, yes | Jun 19 09:03 |
schestowitz | Cause one requires the other | Jun 19 09:03 |
nawi | no | Jun 19 09:03 |
nawi | there can be free software without copyleft | Jun 19 09:03 |
nawi | even stallman acknowledges this | Jun 19 09:04 |
schestowitz | What "Free"? | Jun 19 09:04 |
nawi | 4 freedoms | Jun 19 09:04 |
schestowitz | BSD I guess | Jun 19 09:04 |
schestowitz | That's "Free" too | Jun 19 09:04 |
schestowitz | Depends on definition | Jun 19 09:04 |
schestowitz | Then we're down to philisophy | Jun 19 09:04 |
nawi | as per the definition of the free software foundation, and RMS | Jun 19 09:04 |
schestowitz | *philosophy | Jun 19 09:04 |
nawi | I tend to release my code under public domain-like license | Jun 19 09:05 |
schestowitz | http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/blog/2010/jun/17/nominations-board-closed/ | Jun 19 09:05 |
nawi | 'There are many variants of simple non-copyleft free software licenses, such as the Expat license, FreeBSD license, X10 license, the X11 license, and the two BSD (Berkeley Software Distribution) licenses.' - FSF | Jun 19 09:05 |
Techrights | Title: Nominations for The Board of Governors are now closed - Pirate Party UK .::. Size~: 11.37 KB | Jun 19 09:05 |
schestowitz | The party in the UK is weak, IMHO | Jun 19 09:05 |
schestowitz | They also have problematic laws | Jun 19 09:05 |
schestowitz | The Swedish one seems better | Jun 19 09:05 |
nawi | schestowitz, that seems pretty unofficial | Jun 19 09:06 |
nawi | when they're not even using their full names in that list.. | Jun 19 09:06 |
nawi | http://www.piraattipuolue.fi/puolue/hallitus here's our "board of governors" page | Jun 19 09:07 |
schestowitz | [09:06] <nawi> when they're not even using their full names in that list.. | Jun 19 09:09 |
schestowitz | A good start would be not to call it "pirate" | Jun 19 09:09 |
schestowitz | Pirate still means criminal | Jun 19 09:09 |
nawi | no, meanings change | Jun 19 09:09 |
nawi | Pirate is too good brand to lose | Jun 19 09:09 |
schestowitz | I am still shy to link to people who willingly associate themselves with the slur from MAFIAA (MPAA|RIAA) | Jun 19 09:09 |
nawi | schestowitz, we take their slur and make it sound positive | Jun 19 09:10 |
nawi | "pirate" is not used in a bad sense in my country anymore, or so it seems | Jun 19 09:10 |
nawi | and I'm sure the same is true for sweden | Jun 19 09:10 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] When giving support to people in our loco channel, it's nice to see "that's made my day, thank you so much". \o/ | Jun 19 09:10 | |
nawi | kinda like Christian used to be a slur word, but they turned it into something positive | Jun 19 09:10 |
nawi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ixl68QAhGw | Jun 19 09:11 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Munich sort of censors Linux blogs? http://ur1.ca/09gfw Why not embrace the Web? Transparency is good after all | Jun 19 09:17 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] When Recording Everything We See Is Standard, What Happens To Copyright? - http://bit.ly/91wWvp another reason #copyright is obsolete | Jun 19 09:18 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Illegal bushmeat 'rife in Europe' - http://bit.ly/aE9zFz a health risk and a disgrace; happening at London airports, too #bushmeat | Jun 19 09:44 | |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/36754499#notice-36968173 "I hope that won't become a censorship, but the internal discussion is in front of me for the next weeks." | Jun 19 09:55 |
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MinceR | geekings | Jun 19 10:32 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Source: A Question of Evolution - http://bit.ly/dAtjEb anything else is just primitive #sharing | Jun 19 10:40 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Opening scene of new season of The IT Crowd. Oh look, Ubuntu sticker on Moss's screen :) @glinner http://bit.ly/1416r4 http://bit.ly/d6n1j5 | Jun 19 11:09 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] At Mums, working on #mumbuntu. First question, she's received email from 'friends' telling her about 'viruses'. Answer: Ignore _all_ of them | Jun 19 11:34 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Government of #Tunisia Helps to Prepare the Population for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/09k88 http://ur1.ca/09k8b | Jun 19 11:41 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Going to record a few screencasts hopefully, directly on #mumbuntu Acer revo. Brought my plantronics headset with me. Hope revo has the guts | Jun 19 11:41 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] World's Laregst OEMs Prepare to Deliver #GNU #Linux Preinstalled http://ur1.ca/09ka7 http://ur1.ca/09kad | Jun 19 11:42 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux in Flemish Comic Series http://blog.bdesmet.be/2010/06/first-linux-to-appear-in-flemish-comic-series/ | Jun 19 11:44 | |
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nawi | Chrome OS is very scary | Jun 19 11:45 |
nawi | Google is becoming the next Microsoft. they own everything, they spy on everything, they'll have a monopoly on everything | Jun 19 11:45 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some Market Share Figures for Desktop #GNU #Linux , Hovering Around 3% Even 8 Years Ago http://ur1.ca/09ken http://ur1.ca/09keq | Jun 19 11:46 | |
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oiaohm | nawi: Microsoft threated to kill Google. | Jun 19 11:47 |
oiaohm | So Google will kill them. | Jun 19 11:47 |
oiaohm | Problem is Google will become huge in the process. | Jun 19 11:47 |
nawi | I actually think Google is more dangerous than Microsoft, because Google owns all the private information on the net | Jun 19 11:47 |
nawi | http://www.scroogle.org/doctorow.html | Jun 19 11:48 |
oiaohm | MS wanted to own that too. | Jun 19 11:48 |
oiaohm | Google beat them to it that is all. | Jun 19 11:48 |
nawi | I'm not saying MS is any good | Jun 19 11:48 |
oiaohm | Google is a far more open company than MS. | Jun 19 11:48 |
oiaohm | We can see more of what google is doing. | Jun 19 11:48 |
oiaohm | If any company has to take that location for a while I am happy its google. | Jun 19 11:49 |
nawi | like spying on WLAN connections | Jun 19 11:49 |
MinceR | at least google isn't going to the same lengths to destroy their competition. | Jun 19 11:49 |
oiaohm | Way were people leaving their networks not encrypted. | Jun 19 11:49 |
nawi | yes, Google is better than MS, that doesn't make their monopoly a good idea | Jun 19 11:49 |
oiaohm | why | Jun 19 11:49 |
nawi | oiaohm, because people are not IT experts | Jun 19 11:49 |
oiaohm | Problem here. | Jun 19 11:50 |
nawi | it's too difficult | Jun 19 11:50 |
oiaohm | Again problem. | Jun 19 11:50 |
nawi | normal people shouldn't have to be IT experts | Jun 19 11:50 |
MinceR | 124350 < nawi> yes, Google is better than MS, that doesn't make their monopoly a good idea | Jun 19 11:50 |
MinceR | agreed | Jun 19 11:50 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Maybe today is a good day to upgrade #mumbuntu from 9.10 to 10.04 LTS. Seems that way. Will worry about theme later (probably stick w human) | Jun 19 11:50 | |
MinceR | normal people should still have some proficiency with the tools they intend to use | Jun 19 11:50 |
oiaohm | Yes they should not have to be it experts but its a sign that the devices are not up to the job. | Jun 19 11:50 |
MinceR | especially if mistakes can lead to damage to them or to others | Jun 19 11:50 |
oiaohm | Lets say someone designed a standard way to share wireless encrypt keys. | Jun 19 11:51 |
MinceR | i'm not sure if the problem is with the _devices_ | Jun 19 11:51 |
oiaohm | Ie insert usb key into router key placed on router auto generated. | Jun 19 11:51 |
oiaohm | user inserts that into laptop/what ever computer away they go. | Jun 19 11:51 |
oiaohm | At no time would a device like that have to leave network not encrypted. | Jun 19 11:51 |
oiaohm | Basically secure and userfriendly are not being done. | Jun 19 11:52 |
oiaohm | Google wifi sniffing is showing a far larger problem. | Jun 19 11:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Keep forgetting how bad the service is. (@ Delicious) http://4sq.com/bZze6q | Jun 19 11:52 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Clicked 'Upgrade' to 10.04 on mums machine at 11:47AM, start the clock! :D | Jun 19 11:53 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Fetching 1449 packages at 2.429KB/s - glad I got 20Mb/s broadband for my mum! #mumbuntu | Jun 19 11:59 | |
oiaohm | MinceR: some of it is device design. | Jun 19 12:03 |
oiaohm | Default state on a lot of devices is wifi on and unencrypted. | Jun 19 12:03 |
oiaohm | Bad default state. | Jun 19 12:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Downloading packages complete, it reckons 3 hours to install updates at 12:00PM. #mumbuntu | Jun 19 12:06 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Sam (3) Just walked in holding an electronic Sudoku game and uttered 'Can you keep the noise down, I'm trying to concentrate on this game!' | Jun 19 12:09 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New PDF, CLI, and VP8 Tools from Google http://ur1.ca/09l6s http://ur1.ca/09l6u http://ur1.ca/09l6x http://ur1.ca/09l6z | Jun 19 12:10 | |
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Techrights | Title: Google Engineer Breaks Down Steps for VP8 Optimization - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 30.99 KB | Jun 19 12:10 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Getting recipe ideas from mum. She just cut her thumb chopping onion. I took over and promptly cut my thumb too! | Jun 19 12:12 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux #Kernel Overviews, A Look at #Cryptmount http://ur1.ca/09l9n http://ur1.ca/09l9r http://ur1.ca/09l9x | Jun 19 12:14 | |
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Techrights | Title: openSUSE Lizards » Guest Blog: Rares Aioanei Weekly Kernel Review (openSUSE Flavor) .::. Size~: 72.08 KB | Jun 19 12:14 |
Techrights | Title: SourceForge.net: Get simple access to encrypted Linux filesystems with cryptmount .::. Size~: 23.56 KB | Jun 19 12:14 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Graphics Stack Progress in #Linux http://ur1.ca/09lb3 http://ur1.ca/09lb5 http://ur1.ca/09lb8 http://ur1.ca/09lba | Jun 19 12:15 | |
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Techrights | Title: New ATI Linux Video Driver Has OpenGL 4.0 and RHEL 5.5 Support - OpenGL 3.3 is also supported - Softpedia .::. Size~: 50.06 KB | Jun 19 12:15 |
Techrights | Title: [Phoronix] Mesa 7.8.2 Graphics Stack Released .::. Size~: 17.49 KB | Jun 19 12:15 |
Techrights | Title: [Phoronix] The Rate of ATI Gallium3D Changes Is Impressive .::. Size~: 18.62 KB | Jun 19 12:15 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Truly Free #KDE (GPU Level Too) Made More Responsive and Snappy http://ur1.ca/088ls | Jun 19 12:19 | |
Techrights | Title: Epic Moment: Free and fast graphics at last « vizZzion.org :: sebas' blog .::. Size~: 62.76 KB | Jun 19 12:19 |
MinceR | oiaohm: which is because lusers can't be bothered to set it up, which they'd need to do to know the key. | Jun 19 12:24 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Unpleasant error message during karmic -> lucid upgrade :( I know why, but it's not nice. http://bit.ly/dvuioS #mumbuntu | Jun 19 12:36 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post | HTC Smart On O2 Pt 3 | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/3ykqcuo | Jun 19 12:37 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Reaches Year's Highs, Listed in Businessweek 50 http://ur1.ca/09m3o http://ur1.ca/09m3v http://ur1.ca/08z8o | Jun 19 12:44 | |
Techrights | Title: New Highs for Shares of Red Hat, Deckers, and Alaska Air (DECK, ALK, RHT) | WallStNation.com .::. Size~: 36.37 KB | Jun 19 12:44 |
Techrights | Title: The Bloomberg Businessweek 50: No. 22 Red Hat - BusinessWeek .::. Size~: 35.12 KB | Jun 19 12:44 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian 6.0 Squeeze Probably Out This Year, A Look at Debian Derivative BOSS http://ur1.ca/09m9t http://ur1.ca/09m9v | Jun 19 12:49 | |
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Techrights | Title: PCLinuxOS - the Big Daddy of all Desktop Linux Distributions: BOSS is Nobody's Boss! .::. Size~: 73.37 KB | Jun 19 12:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Coverage of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux 10.04 and 10.10 http://ur1.ca/09mca http://ur1.ca/09mce http://ur1.ca/09mci | Jun 19 12:54 | |
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Techrights | Title: Ubuntu 10.04 Upgrade: Best Practices Checklist | ITworld .::. Size~: 91.65 KB | Jun 19 12:54 |
Techrights | Title: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat To be Radical, Promises Shuttleworth | NetBook Expert .::. Size~: 53.4 KB | Jun 19 12:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at Coming Changes in #Ubuntu and UNE 10.10 http://ur1.ca/09mi8 http://ur1.ca/088n9 | Jun 19 12:58 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Three Examples of New Devices That Run #Linux http://ur1.ca/09mly http://ur1.ca/09mm0 http://ur1.ca/09mm3 | Jun 19 13:02 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at the #Linux -based #Droid 2, Other #Android Gadgets http://ur1.ca/09n2l http://ur1.ca/09n2o http://ur1.ca/09n2t | Jun 19 13:18 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Wow RT @craignewmark: RT @brontyman: @craignewmark "Blessed is the person has earned the love of an old dog."- Syndney Jeanne Seward | Jun 19 13:21 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux is Outpacing Apple's hypePhone http://ur1.ca/09n5t http://ur1.ca/09n5v http://ur1.ca/09n5y | Jun 19 13:21 | |
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Techrights | Title: Android leads growing Linux-based phone market - Page 1 - Enterprise Business Applications .::. Size~: 82.28 KB | Jun 19 13:21 |
Techrights | Title: Showing Progress with Android | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 46.37 KB | Jun 19 13:21 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Event Covers Development Venues for Free Software, Karmasphere Comes to #Eclipse http://ur1.ca/09nee http://ur1.ca/09neg | Jun 19 13:30 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] That sounds awesome. RT @kamal: Special Double Cheese Mutton Burger. | Jun 19 13:30 | |
Techrights | Title: About software forges | carlodaffara.conecta.it .::. Size~: 34.71 KB | Jun 19 13:30 |
Techrights | Title: Karmasphere Now Available For Eclipse | Muktware .::. Size~: 21.07 KB | Jun 19 13:30 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Flickr, stock photography and Creative Commons - http://bit.ly/bEAUYa good explanation of the background to Flickr-Getty deal #cc | Jun 19 13:32 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] None flying? RT @davinarul: And at half-tum it's #NED 0 #JPN 0. Scrappy game with Dutchmen trying to show they know karate #worldcup | Jun 19 13:32 | |
Techrights | Title: Flickr, stock photography and Creative Commons | TechnoLlama .::. Size~: 103.3 KB | Jun 19 13:32 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Upgrade of #mumbuntu machine nearly done, about an 1.25 hours ahead of it's own initial ETA. | Jun 19 13:40 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Britain’s BPI goes after Google with DMCA - http://bit.ly/aAYufF could be fun #google #dmca #bpi | Jun 19 13:45 | |
Techrights | Title: p2pnet news » Blog Archive » Britains BPI goes after Google .::. Size~: 48.52 KB | Jun 19 13:45 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] satisfied #wclive | Jun 19 13:46 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] oily operators behind the religious climate change disinformation front group, Cornwall Alliance - http://bit.ly/cJKwcv don't miss the video | Jun 19 13:51 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Firefox 4 Beta http://apcmag.com//new-firefox-4-minefield-beta-sports-webm-video-and-tweaked-ui.htm | Jun 19 13:51 | |
Techrights | Title: The oily operators behind the religious climate change disinformation front group, Cornwall Alliance « Climate Progress .::. Size~: 51.44 KB | Jun 19 13:51 |
Techrights | Title: New Firefox 4 ‘Minefield’ beta sports WebM video and tweaked UI .::. Size~: 144.41 KB | Jun 19 13:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Gets HTTPS Everywhere, Other Developments http://ur1.ca/09o0t http://ur1.ca/09o0z http://ur1.ca/09o14 | Jun 19 13:53 | |
Techrights | Title: The EFF releases new HTTPS Everywhere Firefox extension | ZDNet .::. Size~: 119.24 KB | Jun 19 13:53 |
Techrights | Title: Brazil streaks ahead in Firefox World Cup : Tectonic - The Source for Open Source News .::. Size~: 33.3 KB | Jun 19 13:53 |
Techrights | Title: Mozilla tracking a week in the life of a Firefox browser - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 110.19 KB | Jun 19 13:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free/Libre Databases a Real Threat to #Oracle , New OOo Build http://ur1.ca/09o21 http://ur1.ca/09o24 | Jun 19 13:55 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] STOP THE CLOCK! #mumbuntu upgrade complete. I make that 1 hour 50 mins. Now to head to the park with Sam before it rains! | Jun 19 13:55 | |
Techrights | Title: Oracle Is In Deep Doo-Doo at Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 26.73 KB | Jun 19 13:55 |
Techrights | Title: New: OOo-DEV 3.x Developer Snapshot (build DEV300m83) available - GullFOSS .::. Size~: 55.34 KB | Jun 19 13:55 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #WordPress Released, Clickability FUDs Free #CMS Software http://ur1.ca/09o3y http://ur1.ca/088e1 http://ur1.ca/09o43 | Jun 19 13:56 | |
Techrights | Title: WordPress 3.0 adds multi-site support - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.55 KB | Jun 19 13:56 |
Techrights | Title: WordPress : Blog » WordPress 3.0 Thelonious .::. Size~: 47.71 KB | Jun 19 13:56 |
Techrights | Title: Clickability FUD on Open Source versus SaaS | Dries Buytaert .::. Size~: 22.97 KB | Jun 19 13:56 |
oiaohm | LOL Oracle Deep Doo-Doo is FUD schestowitz Oracle changed there business to a custom solution provide. There database makes up less than 5 percent of oracles income. | Jun 19 13:58 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] velosynth - http://bit.ly/aXxV6y "an open-source bicycle interaction synthesizer": how cool is that? (via @harkopen) | Jun 19 13:59 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Funding for Open Source, Finance Ideas http://ur1.ca/09o9z http://ur1.ca/09oa0 http://ur1.ca/09oa1 | Jun 19 14:03 | |
Techrights | Title: Appcelerator raises $2.1M to build apps on multiple devices | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 49.98 KB | Jun 19 14:03 |
Techrights | Title: How to Make Money on Open Source Software | Venture Capital .::. Size~: 65.98 KB | Jun 19 14:03 |
Techrights | Title: Open Source VAT software, would you risk it? - Open Source Insider .::. Size~: 28.7 KB | Jun 19 14:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Project Releases of #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/09oa6 http://ur1.ca/09oa7 http://ur1.ca/09oa8 | Jun 19 14:05 | |
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Techrights | Title: Bluecherry releases its version 2 driver (GPL) | Bluecherry - Linux based surveillance software .::. Size~: 31.62 KB | Jun 19 14:05 |
Techrights | Title: Twilio Releases OpenVBX - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 29.97 KB | Jun 19 14:05 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Internet Freedom under pressure in Denmark - http://bit.ly/8ZXzht not good #denmark #copyright | Jun 19 14:10 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Journal on Open Source Software Law http://www.ifosslr.org/ifosslr/announcement/view/6 | Jun 19 14:16 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FOSSology Monetises Licensing Fear With Free Software, Not Proprietary Like Black Duck http://ur1.ca/09oje | Jun 19 14:16 | |
Techrights | Title: PUBLICATION of THIRD ISSUE - INTERNATIONAL FREE and OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE LAW REVIEW .::. Size~: 10.48 KB | Jun 19 14:16 |
Techrights | Title: Black Duck Software vs the FOSSology project | FOSSBazaar .::. Size~: 15.39 KB | Jun 19 14:16 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Examples of #OpenHardware Promotion in Cars, Prosthetics http://ur1.ca/09oq6 http://ur1.ca/09oq9 | Jun 19 14:24 | |
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Techrights | Title: Future of Health: The Open Prosthetics Project - PSFK .::. Size~: 64.67 KB | Jun 19 14:24 |
nawi | Riversimple website doesn't work | Jun 19 14:28 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Google Listen still completely broken. Won't start because it needs a Google account. Duh! Android phone, of course I already have one. | Jun 19 14:30 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] RT @crystaltips: gandi.net 's new strapline is "no bullshit" TM. no bullshit TRADEMARKED. http://www.gandi.net/no-bullshit | Jun 19 14:33 | |
Techrights | Title: Nom de domaine et hébergement cloud - Gandi.net .::. Size~: 31.66 KB | Jun 19 14:33 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Does science really still have a problem with libel? - http://bit.ly/benYsU "libel chill still remains for scientists and science writers" | Jun 19 14:50 | |
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nawi | does Android phone usage require a "google account"? | Jun 19 14:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Marker cleaned and lubed for tomorrows action. #mapaac | Jun 19 14:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Upon upgrading to 10.04, full screen flash (iplayer) still sucks massive donkey balls. Business as usual then. #flashsucks | Jun 19 14:54 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] upgradinhg to 10.04 my mums desktop background has disappeared. No idea where it is or how to get it back :( | Jun 19 14:56 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Elementary #GNU #Linux in Review http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7811/1.html | Jun 19 15:04 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Seen as Easy to Use, Stigma Remains http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/45929 http://www.daniweb.com/news/story290770.html | Jun 19 15:04 | |
Techrights | Title: Improving The Linux Desktop? Why, Its Elementary | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 48.71 KB | Jun 19 15:04 |
Techrights | Title: All hail the easy to use! | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 32.75 KB | Jun 19 15:04 |
Techrights | Title: Linux Desktop Stigma Draws Ire and Fire .::. Size~: 63.16 KB | Jun 19 15:04 |
schestowitz | nawi: account? | Jun 19 15:05 |
schestowitz | They have your MAC address | Jun 19 15:05 |
nawi | [popey] Google Listen still completely broken. Won't start because it needs a Google account. Duh! Android phone, of course I already have one. | Jun 19 15:05 |
schestowitz | Who needs account /melaughs | Jun 19 15:05 |
nawi | this seems to imply that using Android requires a google account | Jun 19 15:06 |
schestowitz | Google ac*nt | Jun 19 15:06 |
schestowitz | Oh, look, a new troll | Jun 19 15:07 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/36771260#notice-36984250 | Jun 19 15:07 |
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schestowitz | "Chrome OS is another #Ubuntu-clone. Google should work upstream and re-consider using #Ubuntu. WebOS must be our memtest!" | Jun 19 15:08 |
schestowitz | "Mark Shuttlecock (@markshuttlecock) just sent a notice to your attention (an '@-reply') on Identi.ca." | Jun 19 15:08 |
schestowitz | Also in: | Jun 19 15:08 |
schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/36780249#notice-36993413 | Jun 19 15:08 |
schestowitz | RT @schestowitz New Coverage of !ubuntulinux 10.10 <snip/> http://ur1.ca/09mce http://ur1.ca/09mci < Improved Apple Mac support | Jun 19 15:08 |
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Techrights | Title: Ubuntu 10.04 Upgrade: Best Practices Checklist | ITworld .::. Size~: 91.65 KB | Jun 19 15:08 |
Techrights | Title: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat To be Radical, Promises Shuttleworth | NetBook Expert .::. Size~: 53.4 KB | Jun 19 15:08 |
schestowitz | This troll uses Mark's pic | Jun 19 15:08 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wondering why usb hard disk doesnt auto mount on Ubuntu when it's defined in /etc/fstab | Jun 19 15:12 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Used 'Human' theme on 10.04 so I don't have to have the 'button conversation' with mum on her machine | Jun 19 15:14 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Whee, installed usbmount now the USB hard disk I wanted to use for backups on mums machine automounts. Now to move the backups to that disk | Jun 19 15:18 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Old PCs Need #GNU #Linux, New Examples Presented http://ur1.ca/09q9v http://ur1.ca/09q9z | Jun 19 15:18 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Clusters Deployed, More Migrations to Linux #Mainframes http://ur1.ca/09q9w http://ur1.ca/09q9y | Jun 19 15:18 | |
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Techrights | Title: Appro Deploys a World Class Linux Cluster Testbed Solution to LLNL in Support... -- MILPITAS, Calif., June 16 /PRNewswire/ -- .::. Size~: 51.64 KB | Jun 19 15:18 |
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nawi | http://www.vbs.tv/watch/uneven-terrain/london-pirate-frequencies | Jun 19 15:49 |
Techrights | Title: London Pirate Frequencies - Uneven Terrain | VBS.TV .::. Size~: 48.61 KB | Jun 19 15:49 |
nawi | argh, can't watch it | Jun 19 15:49 |
nawi | all VBS videos are laggy for me | Jun 19 15:49 |
nawi | on both opera and firefox | Jun 19 15:49 |
nawi | it shouldn't be a bandwidth issue but playback one | Jun 19 15:49 |
nawi | youtube vids (even HD) play fine | Jun 19 15:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A guide to 3D display technology: its principles, methods, and dangers - http://bit.ly/dm5hig v. useful backgrounder for tech-du-jour #3d | Jun 19 15:56 | |
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Ziomatrix | nawi: Pirates use Windows | Jun 19 15:59 |
nawi | what? | Jun 19 15:59 |
Ziomatrix | nawi: I just saw a PC using Windows XP in the video you posted | Jun 19 16:01 |
nawi | k | Jun 19 16:01 |
Ziomatrix | nawi: interesting stuff though | Jun 19 16:01 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Cheers to Natwest - card# turned up stolen, they called to verify no dodgy transactions *then* blocked it. I am a most pleased customer. | Jun 19 16:01 | |
Ziomatrix | nawi: I like how they used Cold War era infrared transmitters like how the CIA used in Germany to transmit info across the Berlin Wall. | Jun 19 16:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] The Pioneer One swarm still seems very much in demand, im seeing over 3000 peers for the xvid ver. | Jun 19 16:19 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For some great chat....join me over in #peppermint on irc.spotchat.org | Jun 19 16:20 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Went to AU-KBC research center - MIT and talked about Fedora Tamil Remix;Met @amachu .My bad presentation is here http://bit.ly/bskIcs [odp] | Jun 19 16:29 | |
*WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-here | Jun 19 16:39 | |
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ender2070 | nawi - the main idea of copyleft is that some company cant use your code without contributing back | Jun 19 16:47 |
ender2070 | thats why I use GPL | Jun 19 16:47 |
ender2070 | I like the CDDL too | Jun 19 16:47 |
nawi | I know what copyleft is around very well | Jun 19 16:47 |
nawi | I don't believe in copyright, so supporting GPL doesn't make sense | Jun 19 16:47 |
nawi | around = about | Jun 19 16:47 |
ender2070 | I do believe in copyright, but a more limited version | Jun 19 16:48 |
ender2070 | i dont want to make something and have someone else make billions off me | Jun 19 16:48 |
nawi | copyleft allows that | Jun 19 16:48 |
ender2070 | heres an example | Jun 19 16:49 |
ender2070 | wheres the source code for the OSX GUI | Jun 19 16:49 |
ender2070 | they dont mind borrowing code to make their products better but its one way | Jun 19 16:50 |
ender2070 | theres a few companies that do that, some of them are evil | Jun 19 16:51 |
ender2070 | like Digsby | Jun 19 16:51 |
ender2070 | uses open source libraries to make closed source spyware and then they sell your cpu cycles off for money | Jun 19 16:51 |
nawi | <ender2070> i dont want to make something and have someone else make billions off me | Jun 19 16:52 |
nawi | do you agree that copyleft allows this? | Jun 19 16:52 |
ender2070 | yes it does | Jun 19 16:53 |
ender2070 | but i wouldnt be brickwalled | Jun 19 16:53 |
ender2070 | the GPL requires that if they redistribute the code I'd get a copy of the source code | Jun 19 16:55 |
ender2070 | im not left in the dark to what they changed | Jun 19 16:55 |
ender2070 | nor are they able to close it up and add spyware without people knowing | Jun 19 16:55 |
ender2070 | im more anti-corporation than anything | Jun 19 16:56 |
ender2070 | but I also respect your choice to use BSD, or w/e license you want | Jun 19 16:56 |
ender2070 | its your code | Jun 19 16:57 |
ender2070 | my code is gonna be GPL3 or CDDL | Jun 19 16:57 |
ender2070 | I like CDDL's fuck you clause, sue me and u cant use the software | Jun 19 16:57 |
nawi | don't worry, i'm "anti-corporation" too | Jun 19 16:57 |
ender2070 | :) | Jun 19 16:57 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Heres a decent online app for converting many vid file formats: http://www.cellsea.com | Jun 19 17:07 | |
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ender2070 | what does quassel mean by distributed | Jun 19 17:21 |
ender2070 | mt | Jun 19 17:22 |
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schestowitz | Turns out Steven is ESR's middle and and Shuttleworth's is Richard | Jun 19 17:41 |
schestowitz | *middle name | Jun 19 17:41 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How to Select/Create a Good #GNU #Linux Distribution, a Look at #Kiddix OS http://ur1.ca/09unn http://ur1.ca/09unx | Jun 19 17:42 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gaming Machine Runs Linux, More Games for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/09unk http://ur1.ca/09unq http://ur1.ca/09uo0 | Jun 19 17:42 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell Congress: Fully fund NPR & PBS. Now more than ever, we need a vibrant public media. http://bit.ly/a9nKWK | Jun 19 17:44 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Hosts Innovation Awards, New Analysis http://ur1.ca/09uu1 http://ur1.ca/09uu3 http://ur1.ca/09uu5 | Jun 19 17:45 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Review of #Zorin 3 ( #GNU #Linux ) http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2010/06/zorin-3-distro-review.html | Jun 19 17:46 | |
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ender2070 | awesome | Jun 19 17:54 |
ender2070 | 2.6.33.5-124.fc13.x86_64 | Jun 19 17:54 |
schestowitz | What's this ping from ACCESS+stalkers? | Jun 19 17:55 |
schestowitz | It's better to ignore that gang of anti-FSF chumbs | Jun 19 17:55 |
ender2070 | Sometimes you have to defend yourself | Jun 19 17:55 |
schestowitz | Somtimes | Jun 19 17:56 |
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schestowitz | *sometimes. | Jun 19 17:56 |
ender2070 | I think it went better than previous flames | Jun 19 17:56 |
*schestowitz listens to Jamiroquai | Jun 19 17:56 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Reviews of #Fedora #GNU #Linux Version 13 http://ur1.ca/09v4x http://ur1.ca/09v4z | Jun 19 17:57 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Reviews of #Fedora #GNU #Linux Version 13 http://ur1.ca/09v4x http://ur1.ca/09v4z | Jun 19 17:57 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Ubuntu Derivatives #Jolicloud and #Linux Mint 9 http://ur1.ca/09v4y http://ur1.ca/09v50 | Jun 19 17:57 | |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/36780249#notice-36993413 | Jun 19 17:57 |
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schestowitz | "Mark Shuttlecock" | Jun 19 17:57 |
MinceR | :) | Jun 19 17:58 |
ender2070 | lol | Jun 19 18:02 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] As oil spews in Gulf, BP chief at UK yacht race http://ur1.ca/09vbg | Jun 19 18:04 | |
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ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvzjaeUx66g | Jun 19 18:09 |
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ender2070 | eminem diss | Jun 19 18:09 |
schestowitz | http://www.liliputing.com/2010/06/joojoo-tablet-hacked-to-run-os-x.html | Jun 19 18:09 |
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schestowitz | "Mark Shuttlecock" replied to 3 dents of mine today... seems like a polite troll | Jun 19 18:10 |
schestowitz | http://www.cultofmac.com/joojoo-tablet-is-no-ipad-but-at-least-it-can-now-run-os-x/47375 | Jun 19 18:12 |
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schestowitz | http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/06/18/joojoo.tablet.hacked.to.run.on.snow.leopard/ | Jun 19 18:12 |
Techrights | Title: JooJoo tablet gets Mac OS X hack | Electronista .::. Size~: 82.29 KB | Jun 19 18:12 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've just listened to 3 episodes of LinuxCrazy, 2 of TuxRadar, and 1 SFL[show]. TuxRadar was best. | Jun 19 18:18 | |
schestowitz | http://www.softsailor.com/downloads/30733-download-linux-kernel-2-6-34-free.html | Jun 19 18:19 |
Techrights | Title: Download Linux Kernel 2.6.34 Free SoftSailor .::. Size~: 29.12 KB | Jun 19 18:19 |
schestowitz | Why? | Jun 19 18:19 |
schestowitz | "SoftSailor only offers a full version of Linux Kernel 2.6.34 if it's freeware. Otherwise you will have to download the demo / trial or buy the full version." | Jun 19 18:21 |
schestowitz | See comments | Jun 19 18:21 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Download Linux Kernel 2.6.34 Free" http://ur1.ca/09w04 "Price:Free" "License:Freeware" read last sentence. Amazing! | Jun 19 18:21 | |
ender2070 | lol | Jun 19 18:21 |
Techrights | Title: Download Linux Kernel 2.6.34 Free SoftSailor .::. Size~: 29.12 KB | Jun 19 18:21 |
Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: the site is just trying to make money off google | Jun 19 18:21 |
Diablo-D3 | its all automated collection shit | Jun 19 18:22 |
schestowitz | Yes | Jun 19 18:22 |
schestowitz | I rekcon it's autogenerated | Jun 19 18:22 |
schestowitz | They do the same for many linux-related products | Jun 19 18:22 |
schestowitz | Showing them like items with a trial version | Jun 19 18:22 |
Diablo-D3 | you shouldnt link to it or talk about it | Jun 19 18:22 |
schestowitz | The problem is, Diablo-D3, they are in GOOGLE NEWS | Jun 19 18:22 |
schestowitz | Since May 2010 | Jun 19 18:22 |
Diablo-D3 | then someone should probably notify google its not a real site | Jun 19 18:23 |
schestowitz | Definitely not news | Jun 19 18:23 |
schestowitz | They sometimes have these creep in for a while | Jun 19 18:23 |
schestowitz | This is just the latest one | Jun 19 18:23 |
amarsh04 | back in a few, restarting | Jun 19 18:26 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @brubaker: History of Violence was a great film. But then, it's Cronenberg, so it has an advantage. Also, a great script. | Jun 19 18:27 | |
MinceR | http://www.photonexter.com/index.php?show=4017 | Jun 19 18:29 |
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schestowitz | Making Microsoft Safe for Capitalism | Jun 19 18:33 |
schestowitz | http://www.around.com/microsoft.html | Jun 19 18:33 |
schestowitz | > By James Gleick | Jun 19 18:33 |
schestowitz | > | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > The following was written 11 years ago, but given the continued monopoly | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > maintenance practises that continue even today, it still holds | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > considerable truth, as expressed in court documents made available | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > through the internet and testimonies by governments, consumer protection | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > organisations, software trade organisations. | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > Microsoft apparently has its own religion as expressed in the Comes | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > versus Microsoft court document, Plaintiff Exhibit 3096, commonly known | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > as "Effective Evangelism", available at | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > | Jun 19 18:34 |
schestowitz | > http://www.groklaw.net/pdf/Comes-3096.pdf | Jun 19 18:34 |
Techrights | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jun 19 18:34 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] "Download Linux Kernel 2.6.34 Free" http://ur1.ca/09w04 "Price:Free" "License:Freeware" read last sentence. Amazing! (via @schestowitz) | Jun 19 18:34 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Added a comment to a 4 year old low priority bug. Wondered what 'old' bugs people still have active? http://bit.ly/bhhv4Y | Jun 19 18:39 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical Builds Hosted Business Around #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/09wms http://ur1.ca/09wmw http://ur1.ca/09wn0 | Jun 19 18:42 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia / #MeeGo ( #GNU / #Linux ) - Reviews and Devices http://ur1.ca/09wmu http://ur1.ca/09wmz | Jun 19 18:42 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Consensus-Oriented Specification System, by Pieter Hintjens, mentions patents and OOXML fraud: http://ur1.ca/09wtp | Jun 19 18:46 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @zoobab: Consensus-Oriented Specification System, by Pieter Hintjens, mentions patents and OOXML fraud: http://ur1.ca/09wtp | Jun 19 18:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Yes, #Microsoft Basically Bribed the Press” – Newspaper Journalist http://techrights.org/2010/06/19/gifts-as-a-bribe/ | Jun 19 18:59 | |
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schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/156737 "i was really getting tired of people breaking (screwing up) my favorite distros- this was before people started denouncing ubuntu (actually, i considered ubuntu a rock back then) - that's when i found sugar and linux-libre" | Jun 19 19:13 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @zoobab: Consensus-Oriented Specification System, by Pieter Hintjens, mentions patents and OOXML fraud: http://ur1.ca/09wtp | Jun 19 19:15 | |
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ender2070 | Canibus is awesome | Jun 19 19:22 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Prominent U.S. Government Figure Blames #Microsoft for Security Problems, #Dell Disagrees After Alleged Pressure http://ur1.ca/09y7j | Jun 19 19:27 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] He's such a Drama queen. Good riddance RT @ShaolinTiger: Not looking for #FRA massive infighting, it's official Anelka has been sent home. | Jun 19 19:28 | |
nawi | anelka, wut | Jun 19 19:29 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] "Know1ing" was pretty crap. | Jun 19 19:35 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Scribd’s Decision To Dump Flash Pays Off, User Engagement Triples - http://tcrn.ch/9vGJbv engagement, eh? #scribd #flash #html5 | Jun 19 19:36 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A game similar to Command and Conquer http://www.boswars.org/index.shtml A great RTS! #foss #linux #gaming #free #c&c #gpl | Jun 19 19:37 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Off tonight to Party With The Goths(tm) at Invocation! http://www.invocation-night.net/ | Jun 19 19:39 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] China indicates it will allow yuan to strengthen - http://bit.ly/b8ZhEk beginning of the end, or end of the beginning? #china #currencies | Jun 19 19:40 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Markets Mobile Products That Don’t Exist http://techrights.org/2010/06/19/mobile-space-vaporware/ | Jun 19 20:02 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] For monopolists like Microsoft, the answer is to prevent the software from being free, this requires software patents http://ur1.ca/09wtp | Jun 19 20:05 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @partimus It's summer time, & that means lotso work 4 Partimus volunteers 2 get schools ready 2 use GNU-Linux in the Fall! | Jun 19 20:07 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @partimus The first step is to move Linux computers around in classrooms @ the KIPP school. I am starting that work today. | Jun 19 20:07 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @partimus If u wd like to help schlep GNU-Linux computers @ a public school, pls email einfeldt at gmail dot com | Jun 19 20:08 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] AT&T Shows Itself to be an Enemy of #Linux Freedom http://ur1.ca/09zlm http://ur1.ca/09zlr | Jun 19 20:14 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks/Tablets With #GNU #Linux to Come to Uruguay, SmartQ http://ur1.ca/09zln http://ur1.ca/09zlq | Jun 19 20:14 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Birgitta Jonsdottir, Member of Parliament, Iceland and an active volunteer for WikiLeaks projects http://ur1.ca/09zql | Jun 19 20:18 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SUSE #MeeGo is About #Mono and #OpenSUSE Makes #Microsoft -taxed #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/09zrf | Jun 19 20:21 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Unlikely to Get Money From #SCO http://ur1.ca/09ztp SCO’s bankruptcy hearing won’t take place until next month | Jun 19 20:27 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody China indicates it will allow yuan to strengthen - http://bit.ly/b8ZhEk beginning of the end, or end of the beginning? | Jun 19 20:30 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @zoobab Birgitta Jonsdottir, Member of Parliament, Iceland and an active volunteer for WikiLeaks projects http://ur1.ca/09zql | Jun 19 20:31 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open innovation and Capitalism Need Software Freedom http://ur1.ca/09zvq http://ur1.ca/09zvs | Jun 19 20:43 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Success Stories and Expansion in IP #Telephony That's Based on #Linux and #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/09zvt http://ur1.ca/09zvv | Jun 19 20:44 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I am giving a talk next month. The title will be: "Present and future threats to software freedom" | Jun 19 20:52 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] yay!!! Made KDE to display tamil stuff :D ..... Will be including in the remix... | Jun 19 20:59 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] I didn't have lunch,dinner yesterday. Settled with stuff gulped in #ccd | Jun 19 21:05 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Moodle (Free Software for Education) Supported by Questionmark http://ur1.ca/0a00u | Jun 19 21:08 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Azul Systems Turns to Free Software http://ur1.ca/0a00t http://ur1.ca/0a00v | Jun 19 21:08 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] cool idea from @stepwho: Twitterwall to collect ideas in #designthinking. Melikes | Jun 19 21:13 | |
schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/156962 "@schestowitz "Note: We do not offer any illegal ways to download Linux Kernel 2.6.34. On SoftSailor you will not find torrents, keygens, serial keys, rapidshare downloads, or any other illegal method to download Linux Kernel " what is this,microsoft's version of @markshuttlecock?" | Jun 19 21:22 |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/markshuttlecock "I can see the future by rubbing my shiny cock... X's start to appear! Up yours and install my shine recompilation of GNU and Mac theming." -Mark Shuttlecock (troll) | Jun 19 21:23 |
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schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/156976 "i realize they're not actually saying it's an illegal method, but it's still an idiotically misleading phrase, in or out of the context of free software. http://www.softsailor.com/downloads/30733-download-linux-kernel-2-6-34-free.html#comment-107092" | Jun 19 21:24 |
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schestowitz | I can imagine some people downloading the darn thing over dialup, spending hours looking for the .EXE | Jun 19 21:25 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Business and Business Intelligence Need to Have #FreeSoftware Considered http://ur1.ca/0a03f http://ur1.ca/0a03i | Jun 19 21:25 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Collaboration in Healthcare Promotes Freedom of Software http://ur1.ca/0a03e http://ur1.ca/0a03g | Jun 19 21:25 | |
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MinceR | http://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=378413590 | Jun 19 21:30 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ive had a free afternoon so I been surfing and discovering a wealth of decent FOSS projects....I'll hopefully be linking them soon. | Jun 19 21:31 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Find yourself some great desktop wallpaper here: http://www.socwall.com/ #wallpaper #linux #free | Jun 19 21:32 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "GPL Compatible" shirts now available http://www.tildehash.com/?article=gpl-shirt People love people who give and share | Jun 19 21:33 | |
schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/157006 "@schestowitz seriously, why would anyone download the kernel that way? (and for that matter, are the violating the gpl? do they provide the source?)" | Jun 19 21:33 |
Techrights | Title: TildeHash - 'GPL Compatible' T-Shirts and Accessories .::. Size~: 9.3 KB | Jun 19 21:33 |
Techrights | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Saturday, 19-Jun-10 20:20:09 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.92 KB | Jun 19 21:33 |
schestowitz | I found that site in Google News (for "Linux"). Seems to have been part of some automated scheme. | Jun 19 21:34 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] For those with an R4....some great homebrew titles here: http://defaced.co.uk/best-ds-homebrew/ | Jun 19 21:34 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Without Richard Stallman and the Free Software Foundation 'purist' approach, there would be no Linux or 'open source'." http://ur1.ca/0a04o | Jun 19 21:36 | |
Techrights | Title: Linux Today - The Party of Gno .::. Size~: 76.51 KB | Jun 19 21:36 |
schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-06-19-001-39-OS-CY-0003 "Just as there's no such thing as "a little pregnant", there's no such thing as "mostly free". Sure, provide positive alternatives, but if we're going to compromise on freedom, we may as well give up now and stop wasting our time. It's over. Given a sliver of a chance, big money always creeps in and assimilates." | Jun 19 21:36 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Right, that's it. I'm going to sleep for a week. Wake me up when the next episode of Doctor Who is on. | Jun 19 21:54 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @popey lol..yep it was good wasn't it? Although when the Doctor fixes things it will be all back to normal... | Jun 19 21:56 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @popey If you can't wait until next week, don't do what this chap did: (skip to 1m06secs ) - http://tinyurl.com/2ur6ypp | Jun 19 22:00 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] EU Government Success Stories With Free Software, Odd Case in Norway http://ur1.ca/0a083 http://ur1.ca/0a087 | Jun 19 22:04 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness and Sharing Debated and Further Promoted http://ur1.ca/08p4a http://ur1.ca/0a089 http://ur1.ca/0a08a http://ur1.ca/0a08b | Jun 19 22:04 | |
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Techrights | Title: Norwegian Free Software Center Opposes Government Pro-FOSS Policy - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 33.88 KB | Jun 19 22:05 |
Techrights | Title: Crowdsourcing vs. collaboration: Which yields superior results? | opensource.com .::. Size~: 44.32 KB | Jun 19 22:05 |
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schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-06-19-001-39-OS-CY-0004 | Jun 19 22:07 |
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schestowitz | Longest day of the year is just about here. 10:01 PM and there's still sign of the Sun in the horizon. | Jun 19 22:07 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Examples of #OpenData Moves http://ur1.ca/0a09x http://ur1.ca/0a09z http://ur1.ca/0a0a1 http://ur1.ca/0a0a4 | Jun 19 22:12 | |
Techrights | Title: Tricky Sea Ice Predictions Call for Scientists to Open Their Data | Wired Science | Wired.com .::. Size~: 75.59 KB | Jun 19 22:12 |
Techrights | Title: European Public Policy Blog: The UKs public data tsunami gathers speed .::. Size~: 37.07 KB | Jun 19 22:12 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Promoting #OpenAccess again http://ur1.ca/0a09y http://ur1.ca/0a0a0 http://keionline.org/node/868 http://ur1.ca/0a0a3 | Jun 19 22:17 | |
Techrights | Title: Can You Make Money from Free Stuff? - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 78.81 KB | Jun 19 22:17 |
Techrights | Title: BCS EGM: It's Time To Vote For Transparency - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 73.16 KB | Jun 19 22:17 |
Techrights | Title: The EU proposal for increasing access? | Knowledge Ecology International .::. Size~: 26.79 KB | Jun 19 22:17 |
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schestowitz | http://linuxmednews.com/1276093749 | Jun 19 22:36 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNUmed is looking for a hand. http://gnumed.blogspot.com/2010/06/gnumed-job-openings.html | Jun 19 22:36 | |
Techrights | Title: GNUmed for the masses: GNUmed - job openings .::. Size~: 50.86 KB | Jun 19 22:36 |
schestowitz | Has anyone tried MooGo? I don't like the Intel part of MeeGo after Intel's many crimes, but it's more open than Android and WebOS | Jun 19 22:38 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Around the Web – Some gems Ive found on my travels - http://tinyurl.com/37675h7 #linux #foss #links #gpl #free #gaming #podcast #music | Jun 19 22:54 | |
Techrights | Title: Around the Web Some gems Ive found on my travels. « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 39.49 KB | Jun 19 22:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Top 5 metal tracks for this week.... 1. Nightwish - She is my sin -http://tinyurl.com/2wdvys9 #metal #yourockon | Jun 19 23:01 | |
Techrights | Title: YouTube- Nightwish - She is my sin (live 2003) .::. Size~: 86.83 KB | Jun 19 23:01 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 2. Theatres des Vampires - Lilith Mater Inferorum http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQjyIw-vG8U #metal #yourockon | Jun 19 23:03 | |
Techrights | Title: YouTube- Theatres des Vampires - Lilith Mater Inferorum .::. Size~: 91.51 KB | Jun 19 23:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 3. Finntroll - Trollhammeren - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGywo81G6lk #metal #yourockon | Jun 19 23:04 | |
Techrights | Title: YouTube- FINNTROLL - Trollhammeren (OFFICIAL VIDEO) .::. Size~: 98.71 KB | Jun 19 23:04 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 4. Vintersorg - Till Fjälls - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AVdMOgrVa8 #metal #yourockon | Jun 19 23:05 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and last but not least, 5. Severed Fifth - Beating Heart - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsqGb6tvAM #metal #yourockon | Jun 19 23:07 | |
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schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/36847798#notice-37062829 "hmm Yes I see what you mean.quite liked moblin and thought meego might be more of the same but seemed to miss something" | Jun 19 23:22 |
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schestowitz | "@schestowitz: I have just gone back to Ubuntu Netbook on this netbook and stilll keep a great big running Kubuntu.moblin now and again!" | Jun 19 23:22 |
schestowitz | I still wait for ARM-based devices. I was surprised that MeeGo would address them too. MeeGo is good from freedom POV | Jun 19 23:24 |
MinceR | why? Maemo only ran on ARM devices :> | Jun 19 23:24 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] As expected ♺ @bigbrovar: powerful comment from a member of the #maemo community. someone who should know http://is.gd/cVIvB Nokia missteps | Jun 19 23:27 | |
Techrights | Title: Maemo Missteps, your thoughts? - maemo.org - Talk .::. Size~: 83.71 KB | Jun 19 23:27 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Just been contacted by the makers of US comedy series who release their material on the net. Watching now...great stuff!..feature to follow | Jun 19 23:32 | |
schestowitz | MinceR: did it? | Jun 19 23:34 |
MinceR | all the nokia "internet tablets" and the n900 used ARM CPUs | Jun 19 23:39 |
schestowitz | Yes, but there's source | Jun 19 23:39 |
schestowitz | Can you run maemo in a vm? | Jun 19 23:39 |
MinceR | ok, i don't know what other archs it supports :) | Jun 19 23:40 |
*MinceR is listening to: Mark Klem - Memento Mori OST - The Wind | Jun 19 23:40 | |
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Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: I tried running maemo in a vm | Jun 19 23:51 |
Diablo-D3 | it choked. | Jun 19 23:51 |
Diablo-D3 | they have a generic x86 build | Jun 19 23:51 |
Diablo-D3 | it runs on real hardware | Jun 19 23:51 |
Diablo-D3 | but vbox freaks out | Jun 19 23:51 |
Diablo-D3 | not sure why | Jun 19 23:51 |
Diablo-D3 | clearly, its a vbox bug, but meh | Jun 19 23:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz: meego and freedom? not really... | Jun 19 23:51 |
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