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| DaemonFC | that's how our library got tons of new Windows XP machines a couple years ago | Jun 22 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | (Microsoft offered Vista, but they chose XP instead) | Jun 22 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | I think I've mentioned before what a gulag those things are. | Jun 22 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | You're not allowed to use Flash | Jun 22 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | You can't open a PDF | Jun 22 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | There's no Firefox | Jun 22 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I think last time I had to print out a PDF, I had to convert it to a Word document and email it to myself so I could print it at the library | Jun 22 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | (they do have MS OFfice) | Jun 22 00:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] I never felt that measuring absolute revenue of open source companies were ever appropriate. http://ur1.ca/0az24 #fb | Jun 22 00:08 | |
| Techrights | Title: tecosystems » The Economics of Open Source: Why the Billion Dollar Barrier is Irrelevant .::. Size~: 56 KB | Jun 22 00:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] ♻ @ender2070 VLC 1.1 Forced to Drop Shoutcast support due to AOL ANTI-OSS Provision http://2tu.us/2bxa | Jun 22 00:09 | |
| Techrights | Title: Slashdot News Story | VLC 1.1 Forced To Drop Shoutcast Due To AOL Anti-OSS Provision .::. Size~: 144.38 KB | Jun 22 00:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay] Good to see scribd doing the right thing. http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/19/scribds-decision-to-dump-flash-pays-off-user-engagement-triples/ | Jun 22 00:11 | |
| Techrights | Title: Scribds Decision To Dump Flash Pays Off, User Engagement Triples .::. Size~: 103.61 KB | Jun 22 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Moreover, the license forces us to integrate the spyware and adware based Shoutcast Radio Toolbar inside your browser as stated at chapter 6." | Jun 22 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jun 22 00:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian #GNU #Linux at LSM/RMLL 2010, Debian Derivative Reviewed http://ur1.ca/0az4t http://ur1.ca/0az4w | Jun 22 00:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical / #Ubuntu News, Lookahead at 10.10, #Debian 6.0 Months Away http://ur1.ca/0az4x http://ur1.ca/0az50 http://ur1.ca/0az53 | Jun 22 00:15 | |
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| Techrights | Title: Code freeze for Debian 6.0 Squeeze expected in August - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.51 KB | Jun 22 00:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] "kill -9"rap !? http://youtu.be/Fow7iUaKrq4 | Jun 22 00:27 | |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Monzy performs at Stanford Univ. .::. Size~: 87.09 KB | Jun 22 00:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1686831/dell-breaking-away- | Jun 22 00:31 |
| schestowitz | microsoft | Jun 22 00:31 |
| Techrights | Title: Dell is breaking away from microsoft - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 64.4 KB | Jun 22 00:31 |
| schestowitz | :-0 | Jun 22 00:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Pics from Invocation, Sat 19 June http://reddragdiva.co.uk/thumbnails.php?album=85 | Jun 22 00:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Embedded #Linux Training, New Development Kit, and Linux Devices http://ur1.ca/0azgm http://ur1.ca/0azgo http://ur1.ca/0azgr | Jun 22 00:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Boxee Box Based on #GNU #Linux is Coming, Other Appliances http://ur1.ca/0azgk http://ur1.ca/0azgn | Jun 22 00:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia 's #MeeGo Probably Comes to Phones http://ur1.ca/07n4t http://ur1.ca/0azo9 | Jun 22 00:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Phones From HP to Get Update, Fujitsu and Toshiba Join Forces http://ur1.ca/0azo6 http://ur1.ca/0azo8 | Jun 22 00:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gates Foundation Keeps Increasing Investments in BP, Super-Patent Troll Nathan Myhrvold Joins the Feast http://ur1.ca/0azsu #iv #patents | Jun 22 01:04 | |
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| cubezzz | EFI should be avoided | Jun 22 01:10 |
| cubezzz | it has a network stack and can "phone home" | Jun 22 01:11 |
| cubezzz | EFI actually disables fully open-source BIOS replacements like OpenBIOS and Coreboot | Jun 22 01:19 |
| schestowitz | IFFY | Jun 22 01:22 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/37164464#notice-37399285 "A reason to use MONO ??? http://bit.ly/9517Rl Mr. Schestowitz, check this out.""@schestowitz He writes .NET is popular. In what planet ??? Because in planet earth, JAVA is popular and java is hiring. .NET, not so much" | Jun 22 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | Blech | Jun 22 01:22 |
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| cubezzz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1686719/vintage-buffs-help-preserve-history | Jun 22 01:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Will it fix my computer? | Jun 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, if your computer scans positively for a known exploit, update KB971033 will attempt to repair important core licensing system files that might have been tampered with by the exploit. If those files were disabled or removed, the update will regenerate a valid copy. The exploit will in that case be rendered useless and disabled. | Jun 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | hahaha | Jun 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 with the T-1000 update | Jun 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | it re-molds its shape and keeps coming after you :) | Jun 22 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | "I know this hurts, give me your credit card number now!" | Jun 22 01:57 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl9wPX8rbxA&feature=related | Jun 22 02:02 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Awesome Terminator 2 Scenes .::. Size~: 103.29 KB | Jun 22 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | best movie ever (well, in the top 10 anyway | Jun 22 02:02 |
| DaemonFC | Hey schestowitz, you want some coffee? | Jun 22 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | *Windows 7 KB971033 sneaks up from behind....* | Jun 22 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | AHHHHH!!!! | Jun 22 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | I have Terminator 2 in WMV-HD oddly enough | Jun 22 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | from a special edition DVD 2-pack | Jun 22 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | keep meaning to transcode it to something else, but the thing about codecs that pisses you off is right after you make a collection in the format, they improve the encoder and you feel screwed :( | Jun 22 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I noticed another funky Windows 7 glitch today | Jun 22 02:33 |
| DaemonFC | Star Wars: Republic Commando (2005) crashes when you try to start a new game | Jun 22 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | after hours of sifting through forum posts where others suggested running it in Wine :), I noticed one person that said that bumpmapping was causing the crash | Jun 22 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | so I had to edit an INI file to turn bumpmapping off, and the game loaded | Jun 22 02:35 |
| DaemonFC | I've had a lot of issues like this where I either had to make obscure and invasive changes to the way programs operate to get them to load | Jun 22 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | or given up on using that program ever again | Jun 22 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | Given from the amount of software I have vs. how much of it has Windows 7 compatibility problems, I would estimate that fully 15-ish percent of software designed for XP won't work | Jun 22 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | and about a third of those are impossible to tweak to get them to work | Jun 22 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | I think the only thing that keeps this little problem from surfacing as much as it could is the fact that people are used to buying software as a subscription now | Jun 22 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | (The Steam version of Republic Commando has been patched, where the retail version is abandoned) | Jun 22 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | and if you do buy software as a subscription, then the publisher is going to go out of its way to make sure that it runs on Windows 7 before you even click on it | Jun 22 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | but the ~thousands of CDs and DVDs full of stuff I've accumulated over the years are a dice roll every time | Jun 22 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I meant back when I said Wine is getting to be as compatible or more so with old Windows versions (XP and earlier) than Windows 7 is | Jun 22 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | and pretty soon you are going to need a Linux partition with Wine to run older software if you don't want to dual boot with old Windows | Jun 22 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | the problem is that even though Wine has about the same amount of compatibility with XP as Windows 7, the titles that are incompatible with one or the other don't exactly overlap... :P | Jun 22 02:43 |
| *DaemonFC has made hundreds of entries in the Wine AppDB and Bugzilla | Jun 22 02:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that XP Mode is worthless, because it has no hardware accelerated DirectX at all and emulates a 4 MB framebuffer as the "video card" | Jun 22 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | that got uninstalled pretty damned fast | Jun 22 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | since it helps me out with almost none of my old XP apps and it hogs space that Linux and Wine could be using | Jun 22 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | You would think that Microsoft Virtual PC would have a more sophisticated bridge between Host Windows OS and Guest Windows OS hardware-wise than VirtualBox or VMWare, but it doesn't | Jun 22 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's the same pile of crap as when Microsoft bought Connectix back in 2004 | Jun 22 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | slightly updated to keep operating at about that level of sucktitude in new Windows versions | Jun 22 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | VMWare can load the VHD for XP Mode, but it "respects" the requirement that you pay out the ass for Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate | Jun 22 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | this is after you already paid VMWare | Jun 22 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not coming up with any realistic virtualization options for XP that cost less than a brand new XP machine did | Jun 22 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is really putting the pinch on XP x64 victims *ahem* | Jun 22 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's its own bag of worms | Jun 22 02:53 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Who in their right mind would want DOS compatibility? I mean, there weren't any DOS games that are re-playable. Right? | Jun 22 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | Daggerfall game land is 10 times the size of the UK | Jun 22 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | nothing left to explore there | Jun 22 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://stoffelforsheriff.com/ | Jun 22 02:59 |
| Techrights | Title: TERRY STOFFEL FOR SHERIFF .::. Size~: 3.83 KB | Jun 22 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | there's one for you, schestowitz | Jun 22 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | best viewed with IE 6 at 640 x 480 I would imagine | Jun 22 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | "Current President of the Fraternal Order of Police" | Jun 22 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | The telemarketers that call and bug the shit out of you constantly | Jun 22 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | "16 years as a D.A.R.E Instructor for Huntington County Community Schools" | Jun 22 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | Before it got de-funded since all the kids were still using crack | Jun 22 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | bunch of promises he'll get funded when hell freezes over | Jun 22 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iboWPAr9ckGjg7DhNxfGBS1FWh6gD9GG1B6O0 | Jun 22 03:07 |
| Techrights | Title: The Associated Press: Neb. town votes on illegal immigration measure .::. Size~: 14.43 KB | Jun 22 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Americans in Nevada are sick of being unemployed while illegal Mexicans are working all the jobs. | Jun 22 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | good for them | Jun 22 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | the only people these laws piss off are the people that are here illegally | Jun 22 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | *Nebraska | Jun 22 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | I think there was a town in Nevada passing a similar statute though | Jun 22 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | if the Feds fail to act, they shouldn't be surprised when states and localities respond to the emergency that's not being taken care of by the appropriate channels | Jun 22 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100621/NEWS06/100621025/-1/HAWKEYE_INSIDER/Official-Slipknot-s-Paul-Gray-died-of-accidental-morphine-overdose | Jun 22 03:14 |
| Techrights | Title: Official: Slipknot's Paul Gray died of accidental morphine overdose | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register .::. Size~: 84.11 KB | Jun 22 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sc-dc-thomson-prison22-20100621,0,7560745.story | Jun 22 03:14 |
| Techrights | Title: Administration moves ahead on prison purchase - latimes.com .::. Size~: 119.52 KB | Jun 22 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that they're so flippant about this startles me | Jun 22 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't worry, we'll use the extra capacity by any means" | Jun 22 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | throwing more people into federal prisons over petty marijuana possession | Jun 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | wise use of limited resources | Jun 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like there are axe murders and rapists out there | Jun 22 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I asked someone I'm not going to identify by name how that new system is going in Indiana prisons to separate offenders by how violent they are and such is going | Jun 22 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | was told "It all depends on how much lawyer they could afford, not what they actually did" | Jun 22 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | this person works in one of the state prisons | Jun 22 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | so you could end up with a Ted Bundy in the Level 1 unit with all the privileges while a car thief that was unarmed is on level 4 | Jun 22 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Who would put Dune on Blu Ray? | Jun 22 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | not the Sci Fi Channel's excellent made for TV movies | Jun 22 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | but the 1984 theatrical release? | Jun 22 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | waste of plastic | Jun 22 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | another thing I wonder is why SD channels are using MPEG 2 and HD channels are in MPEG 4 | Jun 22 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | old SD receivers with no MPEG-4 capability? | Jun 22 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz? | Jun 22 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | another Toyota damage control commercial | Jun 22 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | I trust my 16 year old car that hasn't had the brakes checked since I bought it to stop more than a 2010 Toyota | Jun 22 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 03:46 |
| *DaemonFC is a very smug rusted out old clunker owner | Jun 22 03:47 | |
| DaemonFC | Their car is low emission and mine is illegal in at least 4 states | Jun 22 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | but mine can stop | Jun 22 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | I did notice they got rid of the "Moving Forward" marketing slogan B-) | Jun 22 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | I think they should replace it with "Moving Forward (Now Optional)" | Jun 22 03:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Writing the lyrics for the second Severed Fifth album. | Jun 22 04:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | jono: Make it death metal and use dynamic range compression until nobody can hear you praying to the dark lord over all the damned eardrum shattering noise | Jun 22 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | you'll get rich | Jun 22 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | of course then you have to die of an overdose, but those will be the best 10 years of your life | Jun 22 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'd totally do it | Jun 22 04:27 |
| tessier | Or die hanging by a tie in a closetm, naked and covered with lube. | Jun 22 04:28 |
| tessier | s/closetm/closet/ | Jun 22 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: I decided to start wearing all kinds of Wiccan jewelry to keep all the crazies away from me | Jun 22 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | it worked, after the initial Mom: "What the hell is that?" | Jun 22 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | "You need to take it off before the devil steals your soul" | Jun 22 04:30 |
| tessier | Wiccan jewelry? What sort of crazies? | Jun 22 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | "He's got this fiddle of gold you see" | Jun 22 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 04:30 |
| tessier | Religious crazies? | Jun 22 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jun 22 04:31 |
| tessier | That reminds me, I need to post that facebook convo... | Jun 22 04:31 |
| tessier | I should probably grab it before it goes away or she deletes it...need to appropriately anonymize too... | Jun 22 04:31 |
| tessier | But it was epic. | Jun 22 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: I had one of them threaten to sue me for libel | Jun 22 04:32 |
| tessier | Legal threats among individuals are always empty. | Jun 22 04:32 |
| tessier | Means nothing until papers get served. | Jun 22 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | for posting that I felt the Tea Party was a political wing of a confederacy of Christian churches, out to overthrow the US government by working within the system, to the ends of repealing our civil rights. | Jun 22 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: I wrote a reply that they never posted, instructing them on how best to initiate the lawsuit | Jun 22 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | tessier: Have you ever noticed how Microsoft likes to use style-sheet like user interfaces to the point where you can easily accidentally drag and drop the entire contents of a folder (or nothing at all) when all you were going for was one file? | Jun 22 04:38 |
| *DaemonFC is hoping this isn't just him | Jun 22 04:38 | |
| DaemonFC | then you have to pray you're not on Vista or it will take 10 minutes to cancel the file operation | Jun 22 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 04:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows 7 is better than Vista in the same sense that genital warts is better than AIDS | Jun 22 04:42 |
| tessier | I wouldn't go that far. | Jun 22 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | at least I don't head desk and blow raspberries while waiting for it to start responding again after I cancelled a file transfer I didn't mean to initiate | Jun 22 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | but it's still easy to mess up a file transfer | Jun 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | dual core processor and Vista = 1 core to choke with the rest of the system while the other core is at 100% trying to cancel a file transfer | Jun 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed Russinovich dedicated an entire 3 page blog post as to why Vista SP1 was only slow instead of the RTM being damned slow | Jun 22 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | and acting like that was a plus | Jun 22 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to crash Explorer yesterday, which I haven't managed to do in a while | Jun 22 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 brings it back up so fast that unless you're looking right at the screen, you'll never know it happened | Jun 22 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, from bailing to reloading itself, I think it all happened inside of 1 second | Jun 22 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | which leaves me to believe it's probably constantly running a shadow copy | Jun 22 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | it was easier for them to run a redundant copy of Explorer than fix the bugs causing it to crash | Jun 22 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | brb, Taco Hell run | Jun 22 04:51 |
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| *tessier is teaching a 12 year old how to program computers | Jun 22 05:13 | |
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| bill_ | hi my software sucks! | Jun 22 05:18 |
| bill_ | http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=169365 even the DOD is having problems! | Jun 22 05:19 |
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| cubezzz | hmmm? | Jun 22 05:20 |
| cubezzz | "and the section on Gates seems overly complaisant" | Jun 22 05:25 |
| cubezzz | complaisant is a word? | Jun 22 05:25 |
| cubezzz | so it is | Jun 22 05:25 |
| cubezzz | "Desirous to please; courteous; obliging; compliant; as, a complaisant gentleman" | Jun 22 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | must be en_CA | Jun 22 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 05:32 |
| cubezzz | I already told you | Jun 22 05:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm using "The Collaborative International Dictionary of English" | Jun 22 05:33 |
| cubezzz | _International_ English | Jun 22 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | and how do you spell "tire" in International English? | Jun 22 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 05:34 |
| cubezzz | Tire is spelt t-i-r-e | Jun 22 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | wow | Jun 22 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's 1 for 1 so far | Jun 22 05:35 |
| cubezzz | you understand that sometimes alternate spellings are allowed? | Jun 22 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jun 22 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | but usually when someone uses British style spellings here, the rest of the letter is in orange crayon with half the letters backwards | Jun 22 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 05:36 |
| cubezzz | Jewelry is a good example | Jun 22 05:37 |
| cubezzz | mostly European used, but still allowed | Jun 22 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | how so you add another y or an ou to that? | Jun 22 05:37 |
| cubezzz | still 'correct' | Jun 22 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | *do | Jun 22 05:37 |
| cubezzz | more commonly spelt "Jewellery" | Jun 22 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: There was a local Republican a while back, running for the State Senate | Jun 22 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | he mis-spelled everything | Jun 22 05:38 |
| cubezzz | not uncommon | Jun 22 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | and oddly enough some of it was correct if you used en_gb | Jun 22 05:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Live Severed Fifth video update tomorrow at 12pm Pac / 3pm East / 8pm UK / 9pm Eur - details at http://is.gd/cYAS7 #severedfifth | Jun 22 05:39 | |
| cubezzz | again, what I use is the CIDE | Jun 22 05:39 |
| Techrights | Title: Next Severed Fifth TV Videocast: Tue 22nd June 2010 | Severed Fifth .::. Size~: 16.92 KB | Jun 22 05:39 |
| cubezzz | so if it's in there, then it's correct, if not, it's wrong | Jun 22 05:39 |
| cubezzz | sounds like he was just a bad speller | Jun 22 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | it made him look like a pompous asshole and a retard | Jun 22 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | it was quite beautiful | Jun 22 05:39 |
| cubezzz | I usually double-check my spelling with CIDE | Jun 22 05:39 |
| cubezzz | even in IRC | Jun 22 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Ubuntu can't decide what it wants to use | Jun 22 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what my global setting is, some apps decide I should use en_gb | Jun 22 05:41 |
| cubezzz | another example, if someone says "colour" or "color" it's not wrong | Jun 22 05:41 |
| cubezzz | both are correct | Jun 22 05:41 |
| cubezzz | honour, honor | Jun 22 05:41 |
| cubezzz | many examples | Jun 22 05:41 |
| cubezzz | kolourpaint is from KDE | Jun 22 05:41 |
| cubezzz | so probably the guy that wrote it is European/British or Canadian | Jun 22 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | I should fork it and just change the name | Jun 22 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | to Kolorpaint | Jun 22 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 05:42 |
| cubezzz | there's the alias command in bash | Jun 22 05:42 |
| cubezzz | it's a mix DaemonFC | Jun 22 05:43 |
| cubezzz | e.g. mogrify -colors 2 pic.jpg | Jun 22 05:43 |
| cubezzz | mogrify uses the American spelling | Jun 22 05:43 |
| cubezzz | do I complain about it? | Jun 22 05:43 |
| cubezzz | No. | Jun 22 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | no komplaining will be tolerated | Jun 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | komrade | Jun 22 05:44 |
| cubezzz | grep -E [Cc]olou?r | Jun 22 05:44 |
| cubezzz | you use KDE? | Jun 22 05:44 |
| cubezzz | ah no, actually you use doze :) | Jun 22 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | they could just make the application accept either setting | Jun 22 05:45 |
| cubezzz | heh heh | Jun 22 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | the spell check in Ubuntu is the thing that pisses me off | Jun 22 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | not just the fact that some things are in en-GB but that it's not even consistent | Jun 22 05:45 |
| cubezzz | it's international | Jun 22 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | seeing red lines under things I got right angers me | Jun 22 05:46 |
| cubezzz | you can't expect everyone to use the same spellings | Jun 22 05:46 |
| cubezzz | ebay uses American spelling, I still use ebay | Jun 22 05:47 |
| cubezzz | exactly the same thing | Jun 22 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | no, but they don't have to fuck up the language packs that I use | Jun 22 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | which are correct for me | Jun 22 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's bordering on gratuitous | Jun 22 05:47 |
| cubezzz | you write it, you get to name it | Jun 22 05:47 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jFOVhFy6si7fR4CQDL8xaOHVHbHwD9GFVDTO0 | Jun 22 06:14 |
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| DaemonFC | U.S. District Judge Miriam Goldman Cedarbaum challenged Shahzad repeatedly with questions such as whether he had worried about killing children in Times Square. | Jun 22 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | "One has to understand where I'm coming from," Shahzad calmly replied. "I consider myself ... a Muslim soldier." | Jun 22 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | sounds about right | Jun 22 06:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Different #Android / #Linux Phones Made More Consistent With Each Other http://ur1.ca/0b3cm http://ur1.ca/0b3cp http://ur1.ca/0b3cr | Jun 22 06:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android / #Linux Makes Stronger Case Than hypePhone http://ur1.ca/0b3ci http://ur1.ca/0b3cl http://ur1.ca/0b3co http://ur1.ca/0b3cq | Jun 22 06:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Companies Use #Linux #Android to Compete http://ur1.ca/0b3gu http://ur1.ca/0b3gy http://ur1.ca/0b3h1 http://ur1.ca/0b3h3 | Jun 22 06:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola Beats hypePhone 4 http://ur1.ca/0b3gn http://ur1.ca/0b3go http://ur1.ca/0b3gr http://ur1.ca/0b3gx http://ur1.ca/0b3gz | Jun 22 07:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News about #Apple failures and offences; one of the Rockefellers names Apple and Google as companies he’s troubled about http://ur1.ca/0b3px | Jun 22 07:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'd be more troubled about Apple | Jun 22 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | Apple is 60% marketing, 39% lawsuit factory, and 1% software engineering | Jun 22 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | Ben Stein says that the US Constitution is more important than if pelicans go extinct | Jun 22 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | bah | Jun 22 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | God will save them if they're worth saving I'm sure :P | Jun 22 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | just like humans | Jun 22 07:33 |
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| cubezzz | like the Dodo or the Passenger Pidgeon? | Jun 22 07:46 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz: He created them then changed his mind | Jun 22 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | obviously | Jun 22 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | just like the thousands of things he let humans wipe out | Jun 22 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | why should pelicans be any different? | Jun 22 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 07:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Medvedev Should Not Invite Microsoft http://ur1.ca/0b3vw The Russian president makes a mistake by looking for help from #Microsoft | Jun 22 07:49 | |
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| *DaemonFC hates Ben Stein | Jun 22 07:49 | |
| cubezzz | they're not | Jun 22 07:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Zarafa Has New Secure Framework http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Zarafa-unveils-new-framework-1025486.html | Jun 22 08:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Tablets With #Linux , Some DIY http://ur1.ca/0b40h http://ur1.ca/0b40i http://ur1.ca/0b40m | Jun 22 08:11 | |
| Techrights | Title: Android tablet to take on iPad in Japan - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 53.83 KB | Jun 22 08:11 |
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| cubezzz | lilo.conf is a bit strange | Jun 22 08:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Groklaw asks the Open Source Initiative (OSI), “have you pruned out the Microsoft toadies/partners yet?” http://ur1.ca/0b47c | Jun 22 08:23 | |
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| cubezzz | oh oh oh now I get it | Jun 22 08:23 |
| cubezzz | I have to lilo -v if I change anything | Jun 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: who cares what Ben Stein says? He's a disgrace to the human race | Jun 22 08:24 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, why is that? | Jun 22 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Where to begin?? | Jun 22 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Basically, he's a religious nut who compares logicians to Nazis | Jun 22 08:24 |
| schestowitz | He also uses the holocaust to daemonise science | Jun 22 08:24 |
| schestowitz | Then, there's his stance on wars and stuff | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | He should be told to go back living in a cave | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | It's one of those people who curse what gave them what they have | Jun 22 08:25 |
| schestowitz | He also mocks people with degrees, which makes him a hypocrite | Jun 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC will like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNGK3y5Ypg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZVAAvB8l4o | Jun 22 08:26 |
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| cubezzz | wow, didn't realize he was that nutty | Jun 22 08:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Dismantles Monopoly, Frees Evolution http://ur1.ca/0b4al http://ur1.ca/0b4am | Jun 22 08:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Thunderbird Has Minor Release http://ur1.ca/0b4ag http://ur1.ca/0b4ai http://ur1.ca/0b4aq http://ur1.ca/08p3n | Jun 22 08:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: VLC's WebM encoder really sucks | Jun 22 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | it looks blocky at 2 megabits per second | Jun 22 08:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Sekolah Pondok - so appealing! RT @weikim: @netraKL: @staronline: Kelantan to intro Muslim monastery as tourism draw http://bit.ly/cT0ZL3 | Jun 22 09:08 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] White House is trying to protect big CEOs against the public. Tell them to stop: http://bit.ly/aicQ5V | Jun 22 09:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Ware Tetralogy: Four Novels by Rudy Rucker - http://bit.ly/9COqDx free download: kudos #cc | Jun 22 09:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Does Not Mean Cheap Software http://ur1.ca/0b4xx http://ur1.ca/0b4xy | Jun 22 09:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Blender 2.5 Test Builds, #Parrot 2.5.0 "Cheops" is Released http://ur1.ca/0b4xz http://ur1.ca/0b4y0 | Jun 22 09:15 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/37169464#notice-37450937 "@schestowitz Did you hear his press officer intervene on BBC Radio 4 when questioned about China http://tiny.cc/1zdl9" | Jun 22 09:28 |
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| schestowitz | I did a post about that article | Jun 22 09:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenAccess /Content Milestones, Going Mainstream http://ur1.ca/0b562 http://ur1.ca/0b563 http://ur1.ca/0b564 | Jun 22 09:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Programming With #Subversion Over the Web Browser, #NetBeans IDE 6.9 is Out http://ur1.ca/0b565 http://ur1.ca/0b566 | Jun 22 09:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Firefox 4 gets web sockets support - http://bit.ly/cr7s98 "enables bi-directional communication between a web browser and a server" #firefox | Jun 22 09:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Supreme Court's ruling on Monsanto's GM alfalfa - http://bit.ly/d4PQxT "bars the planting of Monsanto’s Roundup Ready Alfalfa" #monsanto #gm | Jun 22 09:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates and #Microsoft Use Government Support to Turn Public Schools Into Private Business http://ur1.ca/0b59q | Jun 22 09:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Privacy as Product Safety [pdf] - http://bit.ly/bRDTvo should lawmakers worry about loss of privacy in social media? paper says "yes" | Jun 22 09:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Co-worker bought a Samsung N150 running Windows 7 Starter Edition. Oh. My. God. It's slow as molasses. | Jun 22 09:47 | |
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| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-fallout-france-provides-details-on-wifi-data-google-collected/ | Jun 22 09:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @popey Co-worker bought a Samsung N150 running Windows 7 Starter Edition. Oh. My. God. It's slow as molasses. #vista7 #rebranding | Jun 22 10:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Saving "virtual worlds" from extinction - http://bit.ly/bokxWN interesting challenge #virtualworlds #libraries | Jun 22 10:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @glynmoody: What does that Monsanto ruling mean? Never payed much attention to it... | Jun 22 10:04 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jun 22 10:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More #Microsoft Debt, Legalised Tax Evasion, and Investment in the #SCO Case http://ur1.ca/0b60u #novell | Jun 22 10:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | the cat is making my eyes itch | Jun 22 10:10 |
| *DaemonFC goes to get teh visine | Jun 22 10:10 | |
| schestowitz | It's not a cat | Jun 22 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | catzilla | Jun 22 10:11 |
| schestowitz | It's a pig masquerading as one :-> | Jun 22 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/691/picture26x.jpg | Jun 22 10:12 |
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| DaemonFC | my Visine expired March 2009 | Jun 22 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | does saline water go bad? | Jun 22 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | I picked up a bunch of bottles of it when the supermarket was being ran out of town by Walmart | Jun 22 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | they had the stuff on sale for 10 cents a bottle :p | Jun 22 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | my eye feels better though | Jun 22 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | *shrug* | Jun 22 10:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @glynmoody: Thanks for the gist of it. I'm under GPRS so browsing is both slow and costly :) | Jun 22 10:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Free paper Metro Goes On Making Profits - http://bit.ly/cESpsu more people making money from giving stuff away #newspapers #free | Jun 22 10:18 | |
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| schestowitz | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SAUDI_GOLD_RESERVES?SITE=CAANG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT | Jun 22 10:18 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think I am becoming allergic to CatBearPig | Jun 22 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | he's half cat, half bear, and half pig | Jun 22 10:21 |
| *DaemonFC wishes he wasn't done crying about everything, cause his eye is itching again | Jun 22 10:22 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 10:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @OLPC: How do folks deploy OLPC? Carol Ruth Silver on http://Realness.org Video: http://qik.com/video/7959873 | Jun 22 10:27 | |
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| schestowitz | http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/06/20/1857222/Windows-Phone-7-Lacks-Copy-and-Paste | Jun 22 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | Old news, no? | Jun 22 10:30 |
| MinceR | indeed, though i'm not sure how authoritative the old news item was | Jun 22 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | heh, one Slashdot commenter likened the Jammie Thomas Case to the RIAA's Gettysburg (with them being the Confederates) | Jun 22 10:39 |
| schestowitz | When I hard "Slashdot commenter" I think of the PR agents that roam there | Jun 22 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Seeing as how he referred to the RIAA as the Confederates at Gettysburg, I doubt he is one of their plants | Jun 22 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think the reference was over-ambition >setting the stage for a battle that you can't afford to lose > committing lots of resources > using those resources foolishly > losing | Jun 22 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: EMI is about to fail | Jun 22 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | they've announced that they won't sell to small record stores anymore | Jun 22 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | just places like Wal-Mart | Jun 22 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Wal-Mart still demands censored CDs | Jun 22 10:48 |
| MinceR | all aboard the fail train | Jun 22 10:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] BBC Trust Consultation: On-demand Syndication - http://bit.ly/9r8mOr they want suggestions? here are mine #bbc #iplayer | Jun 22 10:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/2004-12-11-walmart-music_x.htm | Jun 22 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | real old, still funny | Jun 22 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | "Our daughter heard an F-bomb, we deserve $75,000" | Jun 22 10:52 |
| *DaemonFC wishes he could sue and get $75,000 for every time he heard that word | Jun 22 10:52 | |
| *DaemonFC would retire somewhere tropical where people are more laid back | Jun 22 10:52 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cexx.org/snicker/walmart.htm | Jun 22 10:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Oracle´s blog post over EIFv2 open standards lobbying has disappeared: http://ur1.ca/0b6vj The original still there: http://ur1.ca/0b6vs | Jun 22 10:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Wal-Mart ended up buying walmartsucks.com | Jun 22 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | which was a forum for pissed off employees and customers | Jun 22 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | they just walked right up and offered the guy a bag of cash for it one day and the site was literally down that night | Jun 22 10:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] RT @PennyRed New post at New Statesman: blogs, columnists and the fifth estate http://bit.ly/ceHhNo [featuring @doctorow] | Jun 22 10:57 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/news/media-agencies-research/e3i82a006de3290b1a6cc871c774c9f2c8b | Jun 22 10:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/06/20/dell-and-m-sitting-in-a-tree-kissing/ | Jun 22 11:04 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I probably shouldn't mention this, but I'm fairly certain based on what I've seen that Wal-Mart fakes positive drug test results | Jun 22 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | whenever they think they're going to have to pay out for an employee injury that's fairly serious | Jun 22 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | I can't prove it, but it seems like whenever someone is hurt really bad, they find THC in their urine or something | Jun 22 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | and use it as a reason to fire them without paying the medical bills | Jun 22 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | Wal-Mart likes doing business in states that let them operate as a "self-insured entity" because it means that when you fight "the insurance company", it's actually them that you're dealing with | Jun 22 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | they do that for their automotive center liability insurance as well | Jun 22 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | wherever they're allowed to | Jun 22 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | means that if they strip out your oil drain plug and your engine self-destructs two miles later because it has no oil, you're dealing with Wal-Mart as their own insurance company | Jun 22 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | they may go ahead and fix it, but they get to send your car to be worked at by the lowest bidder who may very well be a shade tree mechanic that botches the repair and uses substandard parts | Jun 22 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | I remember that in the year I was an assistant manager over the first store, I watched them destroy seven car engines that way | Jun 22 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | among other things they did wrong | Jun 22 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | they like to hire people who have no experience and pay them like $8.50 an hour to work on your car | Jun 22 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | then they leave as soon as they have some experience to list on a resume to go work somewhere else for a decent wage | Jun 22 11:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange breaks cover but will avoid America - http://bit.ly/avu5Mm new stuff on its way #wikileaks | Jun 22 11:13 | |
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| schestowitz | [10:56] <DaemonFC> they just walked right up and offered the guy a bag of cash for it one day and the site was literally down that night | Jun 22 11:13 |
| schestowitz | So what did they pay you? | Jun 22 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | not enough obviously | Jun 22 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 11:13 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They like to tell you that your salary is based on a 48 hour work week | Jun 22 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | when you think is some kind of an average, and not the minimum you'll ever see | Jun 22 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | then you come to find out that most weeks, you're actually there between 50-60 hours | Jun 22 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | and they have you working what amounts to unpaid overtime, legally | Jun 22 11:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Parabéns à iniciativa pela criptografia em Português: http://www.cripto.info/ #OpenPGP #crypto #privacy | Jun 22 11:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | it becomes your second home for not too much more than you were making as an hourly employee | Jun 22 11:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: #WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange breaks cover but will avoid America - http://bit.ly/avu5Mm new stuff on its way | Jun 22 11:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I think I had it figured out one time that I was working about an additional 500 hours a year for another $10,000 pay | Jun 22 11:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @glynmoody Jualian Assange is not safe WRT some #CIA #rendition #blackops action, no matter how much he'll avoid the USA. | Jun 22 11:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra he could torrent the data | Jun 22 11:18 | |
| DaemonFC | which is great if you want it to be your second home and get bumped into a higher tax bracket and lose a good chunk of the extra money anyway | Jun 22 11:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @RuiSeabra yes, I thought he was being a bit optimistic, too... | Jun 22 11:20 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Our tax laws are set up so that the rich don't pay any taxes at all | Jun 22 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | neither do the poor, cause there's nothing to take | Jun 22 11:20 |
| schestowitz | http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2010/06/microserfs-and-future-of-microsoft.html | Jun 22 11:20 |
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| DaemonFC | and the people who dare try to "work their way" out of poverty get hit with both barrels | Jun 22 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Everything between about $20,000 a year and $80,000 a year is no man's land | Jun 22 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | people in that group pay the highest percent of their total income in taxes | Jun 22 11:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz you know who @crispassinato is? | Jun 22 11:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/06/21/shoutcast/ | Jun 22 11:25 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You know what your Social Security taxable wages are if you make under $102,500 a year? | Jun 22 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | 100% of your income is taxable | Jun 22 11:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Microsoft uses Tuxera as a bridge with which to impose software patents on Linux http://ur1.ca/0a13p | Jun 22 11:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra I don't even think it's a person | Jun 22 11:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | you know how much Steve Ballmer makes each year for Social Security taxation purposes? | Jun 22 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | $102,500 | Jun 22 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | Socialized Insecurity is a regressive tax on the poor and middle class | Jun 22 11:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody they'll try to sweet-talk him so as not to generate public backlash | Jun 22 11:27 | |
| DaemonFC | they're really the only groups that pay into it | Jun 22 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | most of a wealthy person's income is exempt | Jun 22 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's why I laugh when the Wal-Marts and Microsofts always say "We comply fully with all laws where we do business" | Jun 22 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | they buy the people that write the laws | Jun 22 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | why should they have any trouble complying with them? | Jun 22 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Whose laws? | Jun 22 11:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz yes, although the issue remains what they might try to do in terms of "accidents".... | Jun 22 11:29 | |
| schestowitz | Who makes the laws? | Jun 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Willian Gates Sr? | Jun 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Who puts his stash in "foundation" to not pay any tax? | Jun 22 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Rewriting the laws to exempt yourself from everything you do that's wrong | Jun 22 11:29 |
| MinceR | the megacorps make the laws | Jun 22 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't you love to be able to do that? | Jun 22 11:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, like Rep. Hunter | Jun 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Did you follow techirghts? | Jun 22 11:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz well, flagged and blocked, now... | Jun 22 11:30 | |
| DaemonFC | somewhat | Jun 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | The people who run the government came from Microsoft | Jun 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | And now they legalise Microsoft's tax evasion | Jun 22 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Then Microsoft says, "there! we comply" | Jun 22 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Wal-Mart got in trouble in Connecticut over a child employee (16 I believe) that they gave forklift keys to and he managed to flip it over and hurt himself | Jun 22 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | they ended up paying the medical bills, and all that | Jun 22 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | but the state "investigated" and found systemic child labor law violations | Jun 22 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | Wal-Mart settled them all for $114,000 | Jun 22 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | including the state fine for the kid that flipped the forklift who should never have had the keys to operate it | Jun 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | It's not just a US issue | Jun 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | In absurdistan it must be the same | Jun 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | But we do need to talk about it and let people know | Jun 22 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: One interesting thing I noticed is that Wal-Mart doesn't fire people in accordance with how Indiana law says you have to do it in order to not be liable for unemployment | Jun 22 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | but then they send a manager to fight every unemployment claim and lose | Jun 22 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana law says you have to fire an employee for something that is against a company policy that the employee should have been made aware of, that you may not list multiple reasons for firing them, and that you have to follow your own company procedure in firing them | Jun 22 11:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody too risky for them. If anything happens to him, people will pull Turing/Kelly theories. http://ur1.ca/0b7vz | Jun 22 11:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | so Wal-Mart has this corporate policy of verbal, written, 1 day suspension, fired | Jun 22 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | unless you do something REAL bad :) | Jun 22 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | not only do they hardly ever follow it, but when they do , they will list 4 different reasons for firing the person | Jun 22 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | (1 for each step in the write-up process) | Jun 22 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | the only way to follow their write up process and comply with state law would be to give you the 4 write ups for the same behavior and then fire you | Jun 22 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | so they lose every unemployment claim that an employee files against them, unless a drug test came back positive | Jun 22 11:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] just ordered Ubuntu Server Administration from FlipKart - 495/- INR | Jun 22 11:39 | |
| DaemonFC | also, if you are fired for something that they think they might be able to sue you for later or bring criminal charges against you on, they'll hand you a green paper to sign, confessing to whatever it was | Jun 22 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | and make you think it's a requirement to pick up your last paycheck | Jun 22 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | (it's not) | Jun 22 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | Something else that's funny is that when you write someone up, it's supposed to stay in the computer system for a year and then disappear, only it doesn't | Jun 22 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | it just goes inactive | Jun 22 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | but if that person later quits and then re-applies at Wal-Mart in the future, management can still see all those old expired write-ups and "not take them into consideration for hiring purposes" | Jun 22 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | \:) | Jun 22 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | even if I changed my mind and manually removed it, it's still there, the system would just expire it immediately | Jun 22 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's still a permanent black mark in their personnel file | Jun 22 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | even though it's not ;) | Jun 22 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Wal-Mart makes Microsoft look like choir boys in comparison | Jun 22 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm telling you | Jun 22 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | the sheer amount and level of unethical shit that goes on in that company is almsot unimaginable | Jun 22 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | they have an "ethics" hotline that gets you fired if you call it to report an "issue" that's unethical but not costing them money | Jun 22 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | like if you call it to report something evil they did that made them money, you're gone | Jun 22 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | but you might be OK if you report someone for embezzlement :) | Jun 22 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | there's also a union hotline that gets Wal-Mart's anti-union lawyers on a plane heading for your store if you figure there's a union organizing drive going on | Jun 22 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | the first thing I always kept in mind with the Ethics hotline was "Is the unethical thing that person did making the company money? If so, the order to do it came from somewhere and I didn't see them do it." :P | Jun 22 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: In addition to the $10 a month trash removal tax hike over the contract that was supposed to save us money.... | Jun 22 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | now some people aren't having their trash picked up | Jun 22 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | and the city can't figure out who to call to get that taken care of :) | Jun 22 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | How do you sign a contract to have something done for 20,000 people and then not get a tech support number? :P | Jun 22 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You think I should run against Updike next time? :D | Jun 22 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: How much did I get paid when Wal-Mart bought walmartsucks.com? | Jun 22 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | nothing | Jun 22 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | and I was glad that I kept personal details out of anything I posted there | Jun 22 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | they had it redirect to walmart.com for a while then sold it to some law firm to park for them | Jun 22 12:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] FFII signed #ACTA statement http://tiny.cc/g8na6 | Jun 22 12:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A look back (8 years ago) at what “Paul Murphy” was doing to GNU/Linux, leading to the thread “Rudy de Haas’ Defamation” http://ur1.ca/0b9xr | Jun 22 12:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://walmartsucks.com/ | Jun 22 12:36 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jun 22 12:36 |
| schestowitz | They advertise themselves | Jun 22 12:36 |
| schestowitz | https://secure.avaaz.org/en/whales_last_push/ | Jun 22 12:37 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/16/asylum-seekers-survive-on-streets | Jun 22 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/06/14/2010-06-14_us_military_turns_iraq_into_a_toxic_dump_of_oil_drums_and_acid_cans_investigatio.html | Jun 22 12:43 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: this one is for you: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2010/jun/14/homeopathy-awareness-week-homeopaths | Jun 22 12:44 |
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| schestowitz | After the chiro session | Jun 22 12:44 |
| schestowitz | http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/sen140510.html Hunger, Dispossession and the Quest for Justice | Jun 22 12:48 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/21/AR2010062104755.html?hpid=topnews | Jun 22 12:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/18/kyrgyz-pogrom-uzbek-refugee http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/18/kyrgyzstan-death-toll-2000-leader | Jun 22 12:54 |
| Techrights | Title: Kyrgyz pogrom is international disgrace | Adam Oxford | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 191.25 KB | Jun 22 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, China | Jun 22 12:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they'll send some jobs to the US | Jun 22 12:55 |
| schestowitz | $20/week | Jun 22 12:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/18/ethical-living-climate-change | Jun 22 12:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Indiana ironing-board factory faces stiff competition from Chinese companies http://ur1.ca/0ba8f sign of things to come? #china | Jun 22 12:57 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/17/common-agricultural-policy-cap-rotten-system | Jun 22 12:57 |
| Techrights | Title: CAP provides another bumper payout for landowners | John Vidal | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 200.21 KB | Jun 22 12:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Join my Castrol's FIFA World Cup Predictor Challenge league. Use the code 363398-16810 after entering the game. http://bit.ly/bVZomW | Jun 22 12:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Join my Castrol's FIFA #WorldCup Predictor Challenge league. Use the code 363398-16810 after entering the game. http://bit.ly/bVZomW | Jun 22 12:59 | |
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| schestowitz | http://manchester.fsuk.org/blog/2010/06/16/tuesday-20th-july-dr-roy-schestowitz-present-and-future-threats-to-software-freedom/ | Jun 22 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | bbl, it's nice outside | Jun 22 13:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Budget 2010: Forget being tough, it's time to get realistic on crime - http://bit.ly/cvXeUJ wow: something from Polly Toynbee I agree with | Jun 22 13:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2009/09/web-sites-increasing-vigilance-against.html | Jun 22 13:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Fighting curroption ... with corruption? #USArmy #FAIL IMHO. http://is.gd/cZ4tm | Jun 22 13:33 | |
| Techrights | Title: US Funds Used to Pay Afghan Warlords | Asia | English .::. Size~: 36.67 KB | Jun 22 13:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "U.S. government, which is pressing Iraqi/Afghan leaders to get tough on internal corruption, is doing the same" http://is.gd/cZ4A4 | Jun 22 13:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Olha o @nunomarkl a almocar na esplanada do Origami... Bom apetite! | Jun 22 13:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Wheeee blocking and reporting for spam all those SEO """Consultants""" that follow me. Who's next? | Jun 22 13:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @gbraad: KFC's fingerfickin' good. Think of it what you want. http://bit.ly/a4WNKG #beijing | #ROTFL of the day :-) | Jun 22 13:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Samsung just released two more source code bundles | Jun 22 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | for other Blu Ray player models | Jun 22 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | apparently | Jun 22 14:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Is she a mother? RT @elizabethwong: MB announces his new political secretary, Ms Faekah Husin | Jun 22 14:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @GabrielfSilva: a noticia de que psd está a «negociar» chips/portagens com Ps ou é plantada pelo ps ou o PSD vai-se mesmo tramar | Jun 22 14:21 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Keep anti-environment crusader Sarah Palin off #Discovery: http://bit.ly/bmUK4w | Jun 22 14:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: "If nobody calls companies to account when they have not lived up to their side of the agreement, they'll get the idea that it's OK to continue ignoring their obligations, so with all due deference to Mr. Kuhn, I feel it is my right to demand that the contract between myself and Samsung be fulfilled." | Jun 22 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 14:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Bloke next to me just left his desktop unlocked with his 'password spreadsheet' open. Tempted to Press CTRL+P, Enter :D #devious | Jun 22 14:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] SkypeKit http://developer.skype.com/public/skypekit - The first part in getting us a decent client on Linux? | Jun 22 14:43 | |
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| MinceR | decent, as in not malware? | Jun 22 14:43 |
| MinceR | that would be a first for skype | Jun 22 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/06/22/samsung-posts-firmware-source-bundle-for-bd-c5500-blu-ray-player-some-wonder-if-it-is-real/ | Jun 22 14:44 |
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| MinceR | nah, it's just a new API for the existing malware | Jun 22 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Some people pay Microsoft good money for those every few years | Jun 22 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | nyuck nyuck nyuck | Jun 22 14:45 |
| MinceR | i know | Jun 22 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I noticed that Windows actually has better backward compatibility with malware designed for older versions of Windows than most legitimate applications | Jun 22 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | probably because legitimate apps tend to hook into _everything_ while malware is pretty generic and only meant to accomplish a few tasks in the most efficient way it can | Jun 22 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 14:49 |
| MinceR | so malware tends to be more portable because it's more well-behaved than applications? :> | Jun 22 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | some apps that especially tend to be broken between Windows releases (or even within the same release) are ones that are stupid enough to load Trident as a COM object | Jun 22 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | (IE's rendering engine) | Jun 22 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | they depend on the buggy behavior of IE version 6 for example, and 7 or 8 totally break them | Jun 22 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That's my theory | Jun 22 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Depends on the malware. | Jun 22 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Some malware is very not portable. | Jun 22 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: All Symantec is worried about is making "a product" | Jun 22 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't have to perform well | Jun 22 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Symantec is trying to monitor all the windows weak points. | Jun 22 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | embedding things like Trident help them get an interface going quickly so they can spam you with "Pay us more for ZOMG protection!!!" when your 30 day OEM trial is up | Jun 22 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | Symantec kills your performance, it's like Vista on Vista | Jun 22 14:52 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 22 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | then it ends up missing just about all zero day malware | Jun 22 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | and usualyl ends up getting crippled by that malware | Jun 22 14:53 |
| MinceR | yo dawg we heard you hate performance | Jun 22 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that a lot of malware actually turns off Norton Antivirus but keeps enough of it running to make you think it's still on | Jun 22 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | my aunt's workplace makes her use Norton on her laptop and that happened to her | Jun 22 14:54 |
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| bogen | AV sofware is malware... | Jun 22 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to use an Avira recovery CD to kill the malware while Windows was not running | Jun 22 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | because it clobbered Norton and took over | Jun 22 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's quite enough demonstration of Norton's efficacy for me | Jun 22 14:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Jun 22 14:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Word to the word: if you're thinking of asking me for any time or attention today, the answer's probably no #rushrushrush | Jun 22 14:56 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I ended up singing my version of that Looney Toons episode where Fudd and Bugs Bunny were running through the forest singing opera | Jun 22 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | "Kill the malware, kill the malware!!!" | Jun 22 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | "How you gonna do that doc?" | Jun 22 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | "With my spear and magic helmet!" | Jun 22 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | "Magic helmet" | Jun 22 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | "Magic Helmet!!!!!" | Jun 22 14:56 |
| oiaohm | At the rate malware is evolving very soon recovery cd's will be the only option. | Jun 22 14:57 |
| MinceR | or upgrading to a reasonable OS | Jun 22 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | I agree, but Norton is particularly awful | Jun 22 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | even as far as antivirus programs go | Jun 22 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | it slows down your PC more than all others, and it manages to miss all the worst stuff | Jun 22 14:57 |
| oiaohm | It is one of the most started for counters. | Jun 22 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Because it has a very large install base. | Jun 22 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Security Essentials did the best on AV-Comparatives heuristics engine tests | Jun 22 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | even with really old signatures, it flushed out 59% of the new malware samples | Jun 22 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | of course, take that for what you will | Jun 22 14:59 |
| oiaohm | New kid on block | Jun 22 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | those tests are paid for by all antivirus companies wanting tested | Jun 22 14:59 |
| oiaohm | always has good numbers in the av game. | Jun 22 14:59 |
| DaemonFC | and they probably set up the "samples" to be easy kills | Jun 22 14:59 |
| oiaohm | clamav has the longest track record of being near the top. | Jun 22 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | ClamAV is bad | Jun 22 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | real bad | Jun 22 15:00 |
| oiaohm | It also has the longest track record of not being able to be got for windows. | Jun 22 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, ClamAV for Windows is spyware | Jun 22 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | and closed source | Jun 22 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | and not even ClamAV | Jun 22 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | they sold out | Jun 22 15:00 |
| MinceR | ClamAV for GNU/Linux and ClamWin aren't, though | Jun 22 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | true | Jun 22 15:01 |
| oiaohm | I was meaning true open source clamav | Jun 22 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | ClamWin makes for a useful portable app for a second opinion | Jun 22 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | on a recovery USB drive | Jun 22 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I do keep it around for a second pass whenever I clean someone's system | Jun 22 15:01 |
| oiaohm | But the idea of shared scanning is a good one. | Jun 22 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes it does find stuff that one of my first line antivirus choices left behind | Jun 22 15:02 |
| MinceR | what's "shared scanning"? | Jun 22 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Where you have a server for scanning between clients. | Jun 22 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The ability to turn IE off is usefull | Jun 22 15:02 |
| oiaohm | It can be highly responsive to new attacks. | Jun 22 15:03 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: why is that good? | Jun 22 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's one thing I always do when I'm done cleaning | Jun 22 15:03 |
| DaemonFC | turn IE off and set up Firefox with Adblock and all their bookmarks imported | Jun 22 15:03 |
| MinceR | it basically means uploading all the data stored on all the clients regularly | Jun 22 15:03 |
| MinceR | instead of downloading signature and other updates to each and doing the scan on the client | Jun 22 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Not all. Checksums and other means can be used. | Jun 22 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | discouraging users from opening IE spares you from all kinds of hell down the road | Jun 22 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Big thing is most attacks to OS core don't hit clients at the same time. | Jun 22 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Yet updates in most well maintained networks roll out in about the same time. | Jun 22 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | on Windows XP systems, I make sure that SP3 and all hotfixes are installed, then I install IE 8, then I hide it | Jun 22 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 15:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically compare monitoring is quite effective. | Jun 22 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | latest version of IE is a good idea even if you don't use it just because it's not a great idea to leave IE 6 system components laying around waiting to be exploited | Jun 22 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | but it's still a terrible program at any version | Jun 22 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: MSE has been out for a while now | Jun 22 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Its still new there are a few counter attacks for MSE exist. | Jun 22 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | I was kind of thinking it would get pwned a lot sooner than it has already lasted | Jun 22 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | seeing as how it's free and popular | Jun 22 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | it is probably in the crosshairs | Jun 22 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | iccck | Jun 22 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's going to get up to 92 today | Jun 22 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | better crank the A/C and get a head start :P | Jun 22 15:09 |
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| oiaohm | I am wondering how long before MS starts turning off XP activation servers. | Jun 22 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | they can't until 2014 | Jun 22 15:12 |
| MinceR | then it will be time for users to be bitten (even harder) by OS DRM | Jun 22 15:15 |
| MinceR | fun | Jun 22 15:15 |
| ender2070 | or install win2l | Jun 22 15:16 |
| ender2070 | 2k | Jun 22 15:16 |
| MinceR | how much hw is there that has drivers for xp but not for 2k? | Jun 22 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Really win2k does not work on a lot of modernday hardware. | Jun 22 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | most XP drivers install on Windows 2000 | Jun 22 15:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @ushahidi: RT @SMSmedic: proud to release PatientView Beta - manage patient records anywhere there's a mobile signal: http://bit.ly/PVbeta | Jun 22 15:17 | |
| DaemonFC | some XP drivers even work on Windows 98 | Jun 22 15:17 |
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| oiaohm | Mostly caued by bios | Jun 22 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Not devices. | Jun 22 15:17 |
| MinceR | i really doubt that, DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:17 |
| MinceR | xp is nt, 98 isn't | Jun 22 15:17 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: is right MinceR | Jun 22 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I've used Windows XP chipset drivers on Windows 98 | Jun 22 15:17 |
| DaemonFC | it uses Windows Driver Model drivers | Jun 22 15:17 |
| MinceR | i'm curious of the mess that enables that :) | Jun 22 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Windows 98 can use old vxd drivers, WDM, or both at once | Jun 22 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | WDM is also used by Windows 2000 exclusively | Jun 22 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | NT 4 and older had their own driver models | Jun 22 15:19 |
| MinceR | yo dawg we heard you like instability so we put an nt in your 9x so you can crash while you crash | Jun 22 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft didn't beat hardware makers into using WDM for Windows 98 | Jun 22 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | so a lot of them jsut kept tossing out vxds | Jun 22 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I got curious as to whether I could get Windows 98 running on a Pentium 4 EE 3.8 Ghz system | Jun 22 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | turns out I could :P | Jun 22 15:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 22 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | fairly fast too, until it crashes | Jun 22 15:21 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 22 15:21 |
| MinceR | finally m$ met their performance goals by crashing quickly? | Jun 22 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | also, you have to take out some RAM or it won't boot | Jun 22 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | initially | Jun 22 15:22 |
| MinceR | my miniwindows easily beats it though, as that crashes in the boot sector | Jun 22 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | you have to tweak a system file to get it to recognize more than 2 GB without giving an out of memory error on boot :) | Jun 22 15:22 |
| ender2070 | [10:10] <DaemonFC> some XP drivers even work on Windows 98 | Jun 22 15:27 |
| ender2070 | full of shit | Jun 22 15:27 |
| ender2070 | but xp to 2k, yes sometimes | Jun 22 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jun 22 15:28 |
| ender2070 | win98 isnt even NT | Jun 22 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | WDM works on 98 | Jun 22 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't matter | Jun 22 15:28 |
| ender2070 | audio maybe | Jun 22 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | you can get a lot of XP drivers on 98 | Jun 22 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | total chipset | Jun 22 15:28 |
| ender2070 | no your full of shit | Jun 22 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | no, I've done it | Jun 22 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | with Intel boards and Windows XP drivers | Jun 22 15:28 |
| ender2070 | no what happened is intel ships win98 drivers with xp | Jun 22 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | everything on the chipset works, including the NIC | Jun 22 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jun 22 15:29 |
| ender2070 | intel bundles everything | Jun 22 15:29 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jun 22 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | it clearly stated that Windows 98 was not supported | Jun 22 15:29 |
| ender2070 | so? | Jun 22 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Driver_Model | Jun 22 15:29 |
| ender2070 | not supported != no drivers | Jun 22 15:29 |
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| DaemonFC | "Windows 98 based operating systems (Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Me) are able to use both WDM and VxD (Virtual device driver) driver standards. Both drivers models can provide unique and different features for the same hardware. However, usually the newer WDM standard provides more features." | Jun 22 15:29 |
| ender2070 | just means, if it doesnt work ypou cant complain | Jun 22 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | " For example, if a TV tuner card using a VxD driver is able to capture images at a resolution of 384 x 288 pixels, the same TV Tuner card with the WDM driver model may be able to capture at a resolution of 768 x 576 pixels. This can be attributed to the new Broadcast Driver Architecture model which is part of WDM." | Jun 22 15:29 |
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| ender2070 | bullshit, you got lucky | Jun 22 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | you can use WDM drivers made for Windows XP for many things | Jun 22 15:30 |
| ender2070 | WDM isn't magic | Jun 22 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | including webcams, sound cards, chipsets | Jun 22 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | modems | Jun 22 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | and TV tuners | Jun 22 15:30 |
| ender2070 | theres STILL stuff in NT that drivers hook into that doesn't exist in win98 | Jun 22 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | I've used plenty of XP WDM drivers on Windows 98 | Jun 22 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | without problems | Jun 22 15:31 |
| oiaohm | lot of hardware companies have been lazy | Jun 22 15:31 |
| ender2070 | i dont believe you and will never | Jun 22 15:31 |
| ender2070 | you were lucky if anything | Jun 22 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | ender Intel 82845 board I believe it was | Jun 22 15:31 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 15:32 |
| ender2070 | you were lucky | Jun 22 15:32 |
| ender2070 | or were on LSD | Jun 22 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | Intel never supported Windows 98 on that chipset | Jun 22 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | nor did they provide vxd drivers | Jun 22 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | XP can't use those | Jun 22 15:32 |
| ender2070 | so use their latest board chipset with xp drivers on win98 | Jun 22 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | It might work | Jun 22 15:33 |
| bogen | even on post 9x, there are a few things that only work in the Microsoft server OS drivers that don't work in non-server drivers, some useful stuff too, where the work around is not always easy | Jun 22 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest problem would be that Windows 98 is not SMP capable | Jun 22 15:34 |
| ender2070 | it will probably NOT work | Jun 22 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | so you'd only have one processor core | Jun 22 15:34 |
| ender2070 | and 512mb ram limit | Jun 22 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jun 22 15:34 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jun 22 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | I've used Windows 98 with 2 GB of RAM | Jun 22 15:34 |
| ender2070 | win98 has a ram limit | Jun 22 15:34 |
| ender2070 | it wont use all 2gb | Jun 22 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | it supports up to 4 GB | Jun 22 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | it does | Jun 22 15:34 |
| ender2070 | omg | Jun 22 15:34 |
| ender2070 | it only shows you the ram count, but it cant use it | Jun 22 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | it gets slower if you add more than 512 MB, but it will use RAM beyond that | Jun 22 15:35 |
| ender2070 | fucking grow a brain | Jun 22 15:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] "human rights, based on humanism, secularism and to satiate ones desire was the enemy of all religions"-Abdullah Badawi http://bit.ly/cGIzRG | Jun 22 15:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | it recognizes all memory addresses that a x86 32-bit CPU allows | Jun 22 15:35 |
| ender2070 | really | Jun 22 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | there's a bug that won't let it boot with more than 2 GB if you don't edit system.ini to adjust the vcache setting | Jun 22 15:35 |
| ender2070 | does vista/win7 recognize all addressable memory that a x86_64 64-bit CPU allows? | Jun 22 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | you take RAM out until you're under 2 GB, adjust the setting, and put the RAM back in | Jun 22 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | and it will boot | Jun 22 15:36 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: Considering that no x86-64 CPU does support 64-bit memory addressing, no | Jun 22 15:36 |
| MinceR | or you could adjust it from a real OS and boot win98 | Jun 22 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | not even Linux recognizes the theoretical x86-64 limit | Jun 22 15:36 |
| ender2070 | wrong | Jun 22 15:37 |
| ender2070 | idiot | Jun 22 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 does recognize 192 GB | Jun 22 15:37 |
| ender2070 | only windows doesnt read the full amount | Jun 22 15:37 |
| ender2070 | windows has a 16TB limit | Jun 22 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jun 22 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | 192 GB | Jun 22 15:37 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jun 22 15:37 |
| ender2070 | what the hell is wrong with you? white is black, up is down | Jun 22 15:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx | Jun 22 15:37 |
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| DaemonFC | Windows 7 64-bit recognizes up to 192 GB of RAM | Jun 22 15:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] s/btg/bug/g #gnu | Jun 22 15:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all, how are we doing? | Jun 22 15:38 | |
| ender2070 | then its even shittier | Jun 22 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | most CPUs only provide 48-bit addressing | Jun 22 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | you did know that? | Jun 22 15:38 |
| oiaohm | You are forgeting AMD motherboard linking DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:38 |
| oiaohm | CPU might support 48 bit but when you start stacking a few thousand motherboards into a system it gets interesting. | Jun 22 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | "Most 64-bit microprocessors on the market today have an artificial limit on the amount of memory they can address, considerably lower than what might be expected from 64 bits. For example, the AMD64 architecture currently has a 52 bit limit on physical memory and only supports a 48-bit virtual address space.[3] This is 4 PB (4 × 10245 bytes) and 256 TB (256 × 10244 bytes), respectively. A PC cannot contain 4 petabytes of | Jun 22 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | size of current memory chips if nothing else) but AMD envisioned large servers, shared memory clusters, and other uses of physical address space that might approach this in the foreseeable future, and the 52 bit physical address provides ample room for expansion while not incurring the cost of implementing 64-bit physical addresses. Similarly, the 48-bit virtual address space was designed to provide more than 65,000 times | Jun 22 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | 4 GB (4 × 10243 bytes), allowing ample room for expansion in the near future without incurring the overhead of translating full 64-bit addresses." | Jun 22 15:39 |
| ender2070 | daemonFC | Jun 22 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | so not only can the PC not handle 64-bit addressing, (hardware limitations), Linux can't either | Jun 22 15:39 |
| oiaohm | 64 bit address space is need for NUMA. | Jun 22 15:39 |
| ender2070 | 128GB isn't 48-bit even | Jun 22 15:39 |
| oiaohm | That Linux supports DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:40 |
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| MinceR | there was a song about that | Jun 22 15:40 |
| MinceR | it went "NUMA, NUMA, yay" | Jun 22 15:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @keybuk: Twitter is fast turning into the Daily Mail, full of frothing hate for the news of the day | Jun 22 15:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] The Badawi vs human rights quote (http://bit.ly/cGIzRG) is so wrong on so many levels. | Jun 22 15:40 | |
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| ender2070 | daemonfc just doesn't know anything | Jun 22 15:40 |
| ender2070 | hes proven himself | Jun 22 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | 253.90625 terabytes | Jun 22 15:40 |
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| DaemonFC | Linux can't address that much | Jun 22 15:40 |
| ender2070 | im sure it can | Jun 22 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | therefore, it can't even match the hardware | Jun 22 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Linux can address way more. DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Cluster class. | Jun 22 15:41 |
| ender2070 | doesnt linux support those 128-bit cpus? | Jun 22 15:41 |
| oiaohm | 16000 CPU in a single system. | Jun 22 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Are currently built for Linux. | Jun 22 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | Linux can't handle more than 32 TB, in theory | Jun 22 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | the last time I saw them up the limit anyway | Jun 22 15:42 |
| oiaohm | 32 TB per CPU DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Today a lift I was inside of fell 4 floors until it was stopped by means of reaching the bottom. Fortunately breaks were always on. | Jun 22 15:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[yoonkit] Yeah, the radio RT @nikicheong: My sis @fulltimemomkl is wondering if anyone knows of BB apps that streams local radio stations? | Jun 22 15:42 | |
| DaemonFC | far off from 48-bit address space | Jun 22 15:42 |
| oiaohm | On 32 bit system. | Jun 22 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, who has 192 GB in their PC? | Jun 22 15:42 |
| ender2070 | IBM | Jun 22 15:42 |
| ender2070 | Roadrunner asshole | Jun 22 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | it'll be a good long time before WIndows 7 address limits become a problem | Jun 22 15:43 |
| oiaohm | I have a few systems here with 192 GB in system. | Jun 22 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Ie inside 200 Km | Jun 22 15:43 |
| oiaohm | The are for high level modeling. | Jun 22 15:43 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc - windows is limited to hardware in consumer class hardware | Jun 22 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | of course a consumer OS is designed around commodity hardware | Jun 22 15:43 |
| ender2070 | well? | Jun 22 15:43 |
| ender2070 | linux supports more hardware | Jun 22 15:44 |
| ender2070 | way more hardware | Jun 22 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'd hate to see the use case for Windows 7 on more than 192 GB | Jun 22 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Server can go beyond 192 GB I believe | Jun 22 15:44 |
| ender2070 | it just doesnt support consumer hardware very well (graphics cards, etc) | Jun 22 15:44 |
| ender2070 | windows server is capped at 8TB it seems | Jun 22 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | 2 TB for Server | Jun 22 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | oh, that's Enterprise | Jun 22 15:45 |
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| oiaohm | Standard Linux's go up to 256 cores and 256GB of ram is centos and redhat | Jun 22 15:45 |
| oiaohm | On 64 on AMD systems. | Jun 22 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like 2 TB and 256 CPU cores is the current limit on Windows | Jun 22 15:45 |
| ender2070 | 64-bit Linux allows up to 128 TB of address space for individual processes, and can address approximately 64 TB of physical memory, subject to processor and system limitations. | Jun 22 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | so even the 192 GB cutoff isn't a hard limit on Windows 7 | Jun 22 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's Microsoft keeping you from using it on a bigass cluster | Jun 22 15:46 |
| ender2070 | microsoft is stupid | Jun 22 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft limits Home Premium users to 16 GB | Jun 22 15:47 |
| ender2070 | artificial limits to extract more cash | Jun 22 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | you can set RAM limits in your Linux kernel config, same deal | Jun 22 15:47 |
| oiaohm | 8G FBDIMM These are if you want scarry. | Jun 22 15:47 |
| ender2070 | and they wonder why they are losing the server space | Jun 22 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | just that it's Microsoft doing it | Jun 22 15:47 |
| ender2070 | linux isnt charging extra for it | Jun 22 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | who know if 2 TB is even a real limit | Jun 22 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | maybe MS is limiting server as well | Jun 22 15:48 |
| ender2070 | its not | Jun 22 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Once you have chips using FBDIMMS you max memory is scary 16 exabytes of RAM, DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] RT @heathenx Free 2D CAD from Dessault coming to Linux later this year.DWG/DXF support with ability to print to SVG.Nice! http://is.gd/cZcJX | Jun 22 15:48 | |
| ender2070 | if u want more than 2TB they sell you datacenter server | Jun 22 15:48 |
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| oiaohm | Yes there are Linux's out there with the means to use the full 16 exabytes | Jun 22 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | yes, they use artificial RAM limits as a plot to sell "upgrades" | Jun 22 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | which is disgusting | Jun 22 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Problem is getting enough ram sticks to work. | Jun 22 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm talking, what can the Windows kernel actually do | Jun 22 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | not where Microsoft has capped any particular version | Jun 22 15:49 |
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| ender2070 | well if u cant buy a version that does more, i think they just havent bothered | Jun 22 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Note 256 is what you can do with standard ddr3 ram. DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:49 |
| ender2070 | osx probably supports more ram than windows | Jun 22 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Wrong. | Jun 22 15:50 |
| oiaohm | not for applications. | Jun 22 15:50 |
| oiaohm | osx has a poor maping system. | Jun 22 15:50 |
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| oiaohm | The limits for Linux are set by hardware not by the software. DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:51 |
| MinceR | and linux can run on hw winblows can't :> | Jun 22 15:51 |
| MinceR | (nor osx) | Jun 22 15:51 |
| ender2070 | linux actually supports more hardware than windows | Jun 22 15:52 |
| MinceR | or any other OS | Jun 22 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | depends on what you mean by "hardware" | Jun 22 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | and "supports" | Jun 22 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | if half the features run on half the hardware I own, then it's still no good | Jun 22 15:53 |
| MinceR | afaik it doesn't really depend on that | Jun 22 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't care if it does work on a wristwatch and a super computer | Jun 22 15:53 |
| MinceR | you don't. | Jun 22 15:53 |
| MinceR | many people don't care what you care about. | Jun 22 15:54 |
| ender2070 | exactly | Jun 22 15:54 |
| ender2070 | graphics cards and wifi, consumer bullshit | Jun 22 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | well, if Linux doesn't support the majority of consumer PC hardware, than consumer PC users will never broadly support Linux | Jun 22 15:54 |
| ender2070 | linux-libre would run on most servers | Jun 22 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those circular problems that keeps desktop Linux marginalized | Jun 22 15:55 |
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| oiaohm | Things are changing. | Jun 22 15:55 |
| ender2070 | thats what noobuntu is for | Jun 22 15:55 |
| oiaohm | More and more large Linux servers are being built out of desktop class motherboards. DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | even Ubuntu really doesn't cut the mustard | Jun 22 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | you get a frozen snapshot of what hardware is and isn't supported, every 6 months | Jun 22 15:56 |
| oiaohm | So the hardware gap is closing. | Jun 22 15:56 |
| ender2070 | thats cause u use fauxpen ati | Jun 22 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | in huge monolithic releases | Jun 22 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | hardly optimal | Jun 22 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Even some Linux supers are starting to use GPU as performance boosters. | Jun 22 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Game is changing. | Jun 22 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Where the supers and the desktops are using the same hardware. | Jun 22 15:56 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm - nvidia + cuda | Jun 22 15:56 |
| MinceR | the rolling release system can make a system impossible to upgrade. | Jun 22 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | so if someone gets a new device the same month a new Ubuntu goes out, they have to wait 6 months before Ubuntu supports it | Jun 22 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | if it even does then | Jun 22 15:57 |
| ender2070 | depends | Jun 22 15:57 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: ever heard of backports? | Jun 22 15:57 |
| ender2070 | the manufacture might suck and yes you have to wait | Jun 22 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | they haven't | Jun 22 15:57 |
| ender2070 | ubuntu will support USB3 devices when u find some | Jun 22 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | ATI finally unfucked their 2d acceleration this month | Jun 22 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | and Ubuntu still uses a beta catalyst driver | Jun 22 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | from April | Jun 22 15:57 |
| ender2070 | so run debian unstable | Jun 22 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | so Ubuntu users won't benefit until October | Jun 22 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | jono is the community something or other | Jun 22 15:58 |
| ender2070 | if you dont want to wait for ubuntu use debian | Jun 22 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | but he ignores me when I ask why their driver policy is insane | Jun 22 15:58 |
| MinceR | or unstable ubuntu | Jun 22 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | or why their other polocies are | Jun 22 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | *policies | Jun 22 15:58 |
| MinceR | or just install the appropriate backported package | Jun 22 15:58 |
| MinceR | that's how i made the atheros wifi in my netbook suck less | Jun 22 15:59 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jun 22 15:59 |
| ender2070 | he will install xp drivers on win98 but not use backports | Jun 22 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | so many things in Ubuntu work against the user | Jun 22 15:59 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | even new users | Jun 22 15:59 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 22 15:59 |
| oiaohm | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2010/06/server-based-on-512-atom-cpus-to-take-on-xeon-in-datacenters.ars << Sean this DaemonFC | Jun 22 15:59 |
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| DaemonFC | and that's typical of desktop Linux | Jun 22 15:59 |
| Techrights | Title: New "atomic" server: 512 Atom CPUs take on Xeons .::. Size~: 31.41 KB | Jun 22 15:59 |
| ender2070 | the atoms probably use way less power | Jun 22 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | compile your own kernel, isntall your own Catalyst driver, break half the system as you mow over ugly hacks that Ubuntu had hidden that work with all their stuff | Jun 22 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | joy | Jun 22 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Notice something odd about atoms being used in servers. DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:00 |
| Aondo | it's not like that catalyst driver is a bright star on windows either :D | Jun 22 16:00 |
| oiaohm | From the lowest chips to the top chips they are now appearing in servers. | Jun 22 16:00 |
| oiaohm | This is something new. | Jun 22 16:01 |
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| DaemonFC | Atoms on a server makes sense | Jun 22 16:01 |
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| DaemonFC | it's not dissimilar from the Cell concept | Jun 22 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | only it uses commodity hardware that's much less complicated | Jun 22 16:01 |
| oiaohm | All classes of chips are being looked at for servers. | Jun 22 16:02 |
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| oiaohm | Not just the big ones. | Jun 22 16:02 |
| oiaohm | And when you get clustering like that only one OS really supports it well. | Jun 22 16:02 |
| MinceR | larrabee would be closer to cell | Jun 22 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have lots of Atoms than one Cell | Jun 22 16:02 |
| MinceR | my Cells are made of lots of Atoms ;) | Jun 22 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | largely because the Cell sucks unless the program was designed by a programmer that doubles as a contortionist | Jun 22 16:02 |
| ender2070 | daemon ur a noob | Jun 22 16:03 |
| ender2070 | cell is only hard for game devs who arent used to multicore programming | Jun 22 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's not rocket science to make worker threads that exploit x86 cores that happen to be available | Jun 22 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's the point | Jun 22 16:03 |
| ender2070 | look at all the scientists who got fucked when sony disabled linux | Jun 22 16:03 |
| ender2070 | and the military | Jun 22 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Not really DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Very few programs work well on multi core systems. | Jun 22 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, they shouldn't have bought a game console to run scientific experiments on | Jun 22 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | and certainly not one where the EULA said Sony can do that | Jun 22 16:04 |
| oiaohm | It was the cheepest way to get the chips. | Jun 22 16:04 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc - dont confuse multi threading and multi core programming | Jun 22 16:04 |
| ender2070 | they arent the same | Jun 22 16:04 |
| MinceR | they shouldn't have trusted sony to keep its promises :> | Jun 22 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Sony made no promises | Jun 22 16:05 |
| MinceR | actually they did | Jun 22 16:05 |
| oiaohm | To be correct they did DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | the license said they were well within their rights to yank Linux at any moment | Jun 22 16:05 |
| MinceR | in fact they effectively signed a contract when they sold a product | Jun 22 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Linux was never fully in control of the system anyway | Jun 22 16:05 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc - what if sony disabled gaming and not linux | Jun 22 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | it was being ran on a hypervisor | Jun 22 16:05 |
| ender2070 | wouldnt people have the right to be pissed? | Jun 22 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | through the Sony firmware | Jun 22 16:05 |
| oiaohm | But the released a media release saying it would be supported. DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Catch is media release is just as binding as the contract. | Jun 22 16:06 |
| MinceR | apparently DaemonFC thinks people only have the right to pay | Jun 22 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Its going to have to go to court of law Sony may be forced to put Linux support back. | Jun 22 16:06 |
| MinceR | m$ believes that too | Jun 22 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Would you buy an XBOX 360 expecting Microsoft to keep their word? | Jun 22 16:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i wouldn't buy any version of the Suxbox. | Jun 22 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | why would you expect anything better from Sony? | Jun 22 16:06 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - they were not selling gaming consoles, they were selling COMPUTERS | Jun 22 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: no | Jun 22 16:07 |
| ender2070 | the PS3 is a computer | Jun 22 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | Computer Entertainment System | Jun 22 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Deceptive adveristing is illegal. | Jun 22 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | that can be like, a game console! | Jun 22 16:07 |
| ender2070 | not exactly | Jun 22 16:07 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and just because you know a given company is fraudulent doesn't make them any less fraudulent | Jun 22 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | my Wii is a computer | Jun 22 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | and an entertainment system | Jun 22 16:07 |
| oiaohm | And sony avoid game console taxs in many countries claiming it was a computer with the PS3. DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:07 |
| ender2070 | they let linux run on it so they could avoid paying DVD licensing | Jun 22 16:07 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: even your mobile phone is a computer | Jun 22 16:07 |
| oiaohm | The did the same with the PS2 by the way. DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:07 |
| ender2070 | they called it a computer, literally | Jun 22 16:07 |
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| DaemonFC | buying a PS3 to run Linux on is stupid | Jun 22 16:08 |
| ender2070 | nope | Jun 22 16:08 |
| oiaohm | ie PS3 is not writen up as a game console. DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:08 |
| ender2070 | its smart | Jun 22 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | depending on Linux to stay running is even dumber | Jun 22 16:08 |
| oiaohm | On paper. | Jun 22 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's not coming back | Jun 22 16:08 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: go on, sell us winblows server :> | Jun 22 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | the courts will side with Sony | Jun 22 16:08 |
| ender2070 | what 8 core computer are you gonna get for $400 ? | Jun 22 16:08 |
| MinceR | if sony pays them enough, they will | Jun 22 16:08 |
| MinceR | doesn't make them right | Jun 22 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | you have to agreee to the EULA to run the software that runs Linux | Jun 22 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Problem is USA mil wants them back. | Jun 22 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | so that's where you were duped | Jun 22 16:09 |
| MinceR | the ps3 was marketed as having the "other os" functionality | Jun 22 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | yes, and it did | Jun 22 16:09 |
| MinceR | if someone bought it taking that into account, they deserve to have that functionality | Jun 22 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | at the time of sale | Jun 22 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | the EULA says they can change that | Jun 22 16:09 |
| MinceR | sony removed it and thus screwed their customers | Jun 22 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Not with advice of removal. | Jun 22 16:09 |
| MinceR | EULAs are often invalid | Jun 22 16:09 |
| ender2070 | people bought them for the other os feature, which is on the box iirc | Jun 22 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Sorry DaemonFC EULA does not over ride advertised features. | Jun 22 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | yeah it does | Jun 22 16:10 |
| oiaohm | That has already been proven in courts of law. | Jun 22 16:10 |
| oiaohm | No it does not. | Jun 22 16:10 |
| MinceR | also, sony didn't refund for removal of functionality | Jun 22 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | when you combine it with the fact that stock firmware on all boxes advertising Linuxsupport still support Linux | Jun 22 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | they don't stop supporting it until you upgrade the firmware | Jun 22 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Note if sony had offered a part refund for removed feature | Jun 22 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | by which point you agreed they could do it | Jun 22 16:10 |
| MinceR | and other advertised functionality won't work until you upgrade the firmware | Jun 22 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Or free software in exchange for feature removal they would have been legal. | Jun 22 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Sony guys slipped up DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Again, the EULA states the other features will be turned off if you don't | Jun 22 16:11 |
| MinceR | so by DaemonFC's argument sony is fraudulent anyway :> | Jun 22 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | so whichever way you want to be wrong | Jun 22 16:11 |
| oiaohm | The issue is turning off adverstied features that the person might have aquired the machine for. | Jun 22 16:11 |
| MinceR | so sony promises many things and delivers neither | Jun 22 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It's not about doing the right thing, it's about doing the disgusting thing they did and doing it legally | Jun 22 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Requires some payment for possible pain caused. DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:11 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: actually it's not about what's legal | Jun 22 16:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie sony was in there right to turn it off. | Jun 22 16:12 |
| oiaohm | But they were not right to turn it off and not pay to turn it off. | Jun 22 16:12 |
| oiaohm | That is the law. | Jun 22 16:12 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no customer is going to say "oh well, they screwed me out of my money but at least i've lost the lawsuit, go sony" | Jun 22 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The customers may know better next time | Jun 22 16:12 |
| MinceR | sure | Jun 22 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | just like the Linux support on PS2 was limited and sucked | Jun 22 16:12 |
| MinceR | don't trust laws, don't trust fraudulent companies like sony | Jun 22 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | I never trusted them to begin with | Jun 22 16:13 |
| MinceR | as long as the megacorps make the law, it won't protect the rights of customers | Jun 22 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | especially since Linux never was allowed to fully operate anyway | Jun 22 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 16:13 |
| MinceR | though i'm not sure if the legal side is even settled yet | Jun 22 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | It was prevented from acting as the Host OS with full hardware access | Jun 22 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | (including the GPU | Jun 22 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | and most of the RAM was off limits | Jun 22 16:14 |
| ender2070 | I guess Daemon would blame the sony rootkit victims too for buying the cds | Jun 22 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | have fun with 192 MB of RAM | Jun 22 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: One, all the music with the rootkits sucked | Jun 22 16:14 |
| ender2070 | i was right | Jun 22 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | thjey obviously profiled what kind of customer would fall for that | Jun 22 16:14 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Really 192 ram was enough for crypt cracking. | Jun 22 16:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 22 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | no really, look at the list of XCP discs | Jun 22 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | pick me out one must have | Jun 22 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 16:15 |
| oiaohm | That was sony issue | Jun 22 16:15 |
| ender2070 | dude | Jun 22 16:15 |
| ender2070 | you're just an asshole | Jun 22 16:15 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 16:15 |
| oiaohm | They gave too much ram. | Jun 22 16:15 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they'll keep screwing people with tastes differing from yours, and then eventually they'll hit you | Jun 22 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | no, I'm not JUST an asshole, it's merely one of the free services included | Jun 22 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | which I may stop supporting at will | Jun 22 16:15 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: huh? | Jun 22 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No, they move in on the idiots | Jun 22 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | because the idiots will say "Gosh darn golly, Windows Media Player won't rip my CD!" | Jun 22 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | and move on | Jun 22 16:16 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: guess what, "who is an idiot" can't be answered simply by asking what music they happen to like | Jun 22 16:17 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: I believe the XCP rootkit was probably only noticed when Gilbert Grape's mother couldn't rip her Toby Keith album | Jun 22 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 16:17 |
| MinceR | required reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came... | Jun 22 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compact_discs_sold_with_XCP | Jun 22 16:18 |
| Techrights | Title: First they came... - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 28.33 KB | Jun 22 16:18 |
| Techrights | Title: List of compact discs sold with XCP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 33.15 KB | Jun 22 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | 80% of that is stuff that grandparents would listen to | Jun 22 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | the other 20% is mostly hick stuff | Jun 22 16:19 |
| ender2070 | still hit slashdot | Jun 22 16:19 |
| ender2070 | but i find it amusing you defend sony | Jun 22 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not | Jun 22 16:20 |
| ender2070 | one of the companies I dislike more than microsoft | Jun 22 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying their victims are morons | Jun 22 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | who deserve it | Jun 22 16:20 |
| MinceR | i dislike m$ more than sony | Jun 22 16:20 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: that doesn't make them right | Jun 22 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | of course it doesn't | Jun 22 16:20 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it also doesn't make you exempt from their future frauds | Jun 22 16:21 |
| ender2070 | im not forced to use any m$ products | Jun 22 16:21 |
| MinceR | or anybody's | Jun 22 16:21 |
| ender2070 | i might be forced to pay a royalty to sony for blueray | Jun 22 16:21 |
| MinceR | ender2070: but we are forced to buy them | Jun 22 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | not buying the PS4 makes me immune from future Sony fraud | Jun 22 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 16:21 |
| ender2070 | i'd rather skip blueray though | Jun 22 16:21 |
| ender2070 | sony makes a royalty on the media and movies too | Jun 22 16:21 |
| MinceR | ender2070: for example, try finding a good quality high-end laptop without the m$ tax in some countries, including hungary | Jun 22 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | blu ray burners are getting cheaper | Jun 22 16:22 |
| MinceR | i can just avoid buying bluray hw and discs | Jun 22 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'll get one at some point and just rip movie rentals | Jun 22 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | copy them over onto blanks | Jun 22 16:22 |
| ender2070 | all blueray stuff makes sony money | Jun 22 16:22 |
| ender2070 | and i hate sony because of my pro nintendo bias | Jun 22 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | BD+ is so wicked that even the weakest freeware on Windows cracks through it with ease | Jun 22 16:22 |
| MinceR | if the movie companies don't want my money (and show it by putting DRM all over their content), then they won't get my money. | Jun 22 16:22 |
| MinceR | DVD DRM is shitty enough already | Jun 22 16:23 |
| ender2070 | true | Jun 22 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | DVD DRM is cracked in two seconds | Jun 22 16:23 |
| ender2070 | you buy a movie and are still forced to watch commercials | Jun 22 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | and then the disc is ready for ripping | Jun 22 16:23 |
| ender2070 | unless you circumvent it | Jun 22 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | don't rip the commercials | Jun 22 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 16:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: those are two seconds i'd rather not waste on DRM. | Jun 22 16:23 |
| ender2070 | in the USA its illegal | Jun 22 16:23 |
| MinceR | also, it's illegal in most countries | Jun 22 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Jun 22 16:24 |
| MinceR | because of the WIPO Copyright Treaty | Jun 22 16:24 |
| ender2070 | cant advocate breaking the law | Jun 22 16:24 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it breaks fair use. | Jun 22 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | ok? | Jun 22 16:24 |
| ender2070 | WIPO doesnt require DMCA | Jun 22 16:24 |
| ender2070 | btw | Jun 22 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | there's a point coming? | Jun 22 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | I care? | Jun 22 16:24 |
| MinceR | ender2070: isn't DMCA the usian implementation of the WCT? | Jun 22 16:24 |
| ender2070 | Canada has no DMCA | Jun 22 16:24 |
| ender2070 | we're WIPO | Jun 22 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | yet | Jun 22 16:24 |
| ender2070 | they keep trying | Jun 22 16:24 |
| MinceR | canada has ratified the WCT, but did not implement it yet | Jun 22 16:25 |
| ender2070 | every time they get close we throw out the government and have a re-election | Jun 22 16:25 |
| MinceR | your politicians didn't care to refuse signing | Jun 22 16:25 |
| MinceR | so don't be so sure they won't implement it ever | Jun 22 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart complained to WIPO about walmartsucks.com | Jun 22 16:25 |
| MinceR | they've made a commitment to implementing it | Jun 22 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | back when the owner joked that he'd sell it for $5 million | Jun 22 16:25 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - they cant | Jun 22 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart tried to get WIPO to go after him | Jun 22 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | they said he was trying to commit extortion | Jun 22 16:25 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - they cant make a commitment to implement a law when you're in a democratic country | Jun 22 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think he was Canadian | Jun 22 16:25 |
| MinceR | ender2070: so which canadians were in favor of signing the WCT? | Jun 22 16:26 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - if enough people refuse it wont happen | Jun 22 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: They have the gold and the guns | Jun 22 16:26 |
| MinceR | where were those people back then? | Jun 22 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | they let you think you live in a free country | Jun 22 16:26 |
| ender2070 | in a free country its not binding | Jun 22 16:26 |
| ender2070 | you still need to legally pass laws to make it work | Jun 22 16:26 |
| MinceR | canada is not a free country | Jun 22 16:26 |
| ender2070 | and those laws wont be passed if enough people refuse | Jun 22 16:27 |
| MinceR | so why was the WCT signed? | Jun 22 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | in the US, a ratified international treaty is a US statutory law | Jun 22 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | per the constitution | Jun 22 16:27 |
| MinceR | did not enough people refuse back then? | Jun 22 16:27 |
| ender2070 | WCT isn't canadian law | Jun 22 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | it can be repealed | Jun 22 16:27 |
| ender2070 | we signed kyoto, and ignored it | Jun 22 16:27 |
| MinceR | ender2070: canada signed it. check it on wipo.int. | Jun 22 16:27 |
| ender2070 | we scrapped it afterwards | Jun 22 16:27 |
| ender2070 | so its meaningless what other countries want | Jun 22 16:27 |
| ender2070 | we can still fight it | Jun 22 16:27 |
| MinceR | ender2070: my question is why did canada sign the WCT if you're so sure you don't want to implement it ever? | Jun 22 16:28 |
| ender2070 | they signed it to make USA happy | Jun 22 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: In fact, it's harder to pass a treaty than it is to pass a law | Jun 22 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 16:28 |
| MinceR | so you're not a free country | Jun 22 16:28 |
| ender2070 | treaties are meaningless | Jun 22 16:28 |
| MinceR | you're controlled by what your politicians think will make your bully neighbor happy | Jun 22 16:28 |
| ender2070 | how many UN treaties go ignored | Jun 22 16:28 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 16:28 |
| MinceR | next time they'll think that implementing WCT will make the usa happy | Jun 22 16:28 |
| ender2070 | until its law here we wont care | Jun 22 16:29 |
| MinceR | guess what will happen then | Jun 22 16:29 |
| ender2070 | and we'll fight it | Jun 22 16:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, right | Jun 22 16:29 |
| MinceR | dream on | Jun 22 16:29 |
| nawi | treaties can be signed but not ratified | Jun 22 16:29 |
| ender2070 | nawi +1 | Jun 22 16:29 |
| ender2070 | bam | Jun 22 16:29 |
| ender2070 | just like we IGNORED kyoto | Jun 22 16:29 |
| nawi | which country are you from? | Jun 22 16:29 |
| ender2070 | just to shut up david suzuki | Jun 22 16:30 |
| ender2070 | Canada | Jun 22 16:30 |
| nawi | well, ignoring kyoto is pretty embarrassing | Jun 22 16:30 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jun 22 16:30 |
| nawi | we didn't ignore it and everything is well | Jun 22 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | Kyoto is a ruse | Jun 22 16:30 |
| ender2070 | bill C-32 | Jun 22 16:30 |
| MinceR | just as embarrassing as not signing it | Jun 22 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | it cripples US manufacturing and makes us starve | Jun 22 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | while imposing no limits on China's pollution | Jun 22 16:30 |
| ender2070 | Bill C-32 is the copyright bill everyone is fighting right now in Canada | Jun 22 16:30 |
| MinceR | how does a treaty the USA did not sign cripple its manufacturing? | Jun 22 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | we'd be fools to implement that | Jun 22 16:30 |
| MinceR | ender2070: yeah right, "everyone" | Jun 22 16:31 |
| MinceR | that's why it's a bill | Jun 22 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | we signed Kyoto | Jun 22 16:31 |
| ender2070 | everyone who cares | Jun 22 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | it was not ratified | Jun 22 16:31 |
| nawi | Kyoto has been positive in the EU, since we're leading in some green tech markets | Jun 22 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | so it is not valid | Jun 22 16:31 |
| MinceR | ender2070: people who don't care propose your laws? | Jun 22 16:31 |
| ender2070 | mincer, stop jumping to conclusions | Jun 22 16:31 |
| ender2070 | its just a bill, it still has to be voted on | Jun 22 16:31 |
| MinceR | that's not jumping to conclusions, that's using logic | Jun 22 16:31 |
| ender2070 | if it ever makes it to the house of commons | Jun 22 16:31 |
| MinceR | someone had to think it's right to propose it | Jun 22 16:32 |
| nawi | what USA should do is to create an european style fuel tax | Jun 22 16:32 |
| nawi | only way to prevent peak oil from causing huge damage | Jun 22 16:32 |
| MinceR | which means that not everyone is fighting it | Jun 22 16:32 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - Bill C-31 failed, it was the SAME THING | Jun 22 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | a treaty ratification would take 67/100 senators and the president | Jun 22 16:32 |
| MinceR | ender2070: yeah, sw patents failed here once, so we're safe forever | Jun 22 16:32 |
| MinceR | oh wait | Jun 22 16:32 |
| ender2070 | you have to keep fighting | Jun 22 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | you almost never see more than 55 votes in favor of something that's isn't meaningly | Jun 22 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | *meaningless | Jun 22 16:32 |
| ender2070 | if C-32 fails, they'll do it again in C-33 | Jun 22 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | 60 is a stretch | Jun 22 16:33 |
| ender2070 | we gotta keep on it | Jun 22 16:33 |
| MinceR | yes, as long as there are lots of idiots and slaves of enemy megacorps controlling the world, reasonable people have to keep fighting | Jun 22 16:33 |
| MinceR | ender2070: who elected those people? | Jun 22 16:33 |
| ender2070 | theres people in politics who make these bills based on lobbying | Jun 22 16:33 |
| ender2070 | people still have to vote on them | Jun 22 16:33 |
| nawi | that's why you need to vote for good people (i.e. the pirate party) | Jun 22 16:34 |
| MinceR | did the people who vote for those politicians care? | Jun 22 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: One of Indiana's senators is scaring me, since he's not running for re-election and he's in favor of ACTA | Jun 22 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | means we're get at least one of two voting for it | Jun 22 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe both | Jun 22 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | the villains probably slipped Senator Bayh some bribe money to vote Yes on ACTA then retire | Jun 22 16:34 |
| ender2070 | mincer - the point is, fighting and bringing awareness will have to be a constant to keep this out of law | Jun 22 16:35 |
| ender2070 | politicians are always bringing in bills made up by lobbiests | Jun 22 16:35 |
| MinceR | that means you aren't safe | Jun 22 16:35 |
| schestowitz | [14:36] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: "If nobody calls companies to account when they have not lived up to their side of the agreement, they'll get the idea that it's OK to continue ignoring their obligations, so with all due deference to Mr. Kuhn, I feel it is my right to demand that the contract between myself and Samsung be fulfilled." >Indeed. | Jun 22 16:35 |
| MinceR | those politicians shouldn't be allowed there | Jun 22 16:35 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - there are ALWAYS lobbyists | Jun 22 16:35 |
| schestowitz | SFLC looks for settlement money, not the code | Jun 22 16:35 |
| ender2070 | you have lobbyists from every industy telling politicians what is good for the country | Jun 22 16:36 |
| ender2070 | you would have to make it illegal to stop it | Jun 22 16:36 |
| ender2070 | thats where they all get campaign funding | Jun 22 16:37 |
| MinceR | and you have politicians holding positions that don't care what's good for the country | Jun 22 16:37 |
| ender2070 | so it wont | Jun 22 16:37 |
| ender2070 | when people find out they dont elect them again | Jun 22 16:37 |
| MinceR | no, you only need to make your voters start caring (like you said they already do, except they don't) | Jun 22 16:37 |
| ender2070 | the liberals had a sponsorship scandal | Jun 22 16:37 |
| ender2070 | mincer - people like me and you care about copyright | Jun 22 16:37 |
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| ender2070 | some people dont and they'll sign something to get a paycheque, yes | Jun 22 16:38 |
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| ender2070 | if their entire riding was against copyright and they were found out, they would be gone | Jun 22 16:39 |
| MinceR | i'm afraid those people are the majority | Jun 22 16:39 |
| MinceR | they don't even know what the issues are | Jun 22 16:39 |
| MinceR | they don't even care | Jun 22 16:39 |
| ender2070 | if their opponent found out | Jun 22 16:39 |
| ender2070 | they're gone | Jun 22 16:39 |
| MinceR | and the megacorps will decide what happens on their behalf | Jun 22 16:39 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jun 22 16:39 |
| ender2070 | the megacorps do | Jun 22 16:39 |
| MinceR | signing WCT was one of such steps | Jun 22 16:39 |
| ender2070 | signing the WCT does not mean it will happen | Jun 22 16:40 |
| ender2070 | its just one step | Jun 22 16:40 |
| ender2070 | it might be likely to happen, but we dont want that and are required to raise awareness or we loose | Jun 22 16:40 |
| schestowitz | [15:50] <ender2070> osx probably supports more ram than windows | Jun 22 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, BSD is good | Jun 22 16:40 |
| MinceR | it also allows megacorps to use other countries and diplomatic relations to put pressure on canada | Jun 22 16:40 |
| schestowitz | The junk on top of it can't handle complexity | Jun 22 16:40 |
| ender2070 | mincer - this isnt new | Jun 22 16:41 |
| ender2070 | megacorps do the same for environmental laws | Jun 22 16:41 |
| ender2070 | for all laws pretty much | Jun 22 16:41 |
| ender2070 | the UN gives us building codes | Jun 22 16:41 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: osx isn't bsd, it's just a huge trash heap with some bsd at the bottom | Jun 22 16:41 |
| ender2070 | this is stuff I mention all the time | Jun 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jun 22 16:41 |
| ender2070 | Agenda 21 isnt a treaty or law, and countries, provinces/states and local cities are still adopting it | Jun 22 16:42 |
| ender2070 | technically no country is a free country | Jun 22 16:42 |
| MinceR | another old trick in the book | Jun 22 16:42 |
| ender2070 | they ALL have obligations to pass laws made up by the United Nations | Jun 22 16:43 |
| MinceR | if it fails on a higher level, do it on lower levels | Jun 22 16:43 |
| ender2070 | so by your logic, the UN _does_ run the world | Jun 22 16:43 |
| ender2070 | and im right | Jun 22 16:43 |
| MinceR | does every country submit to the UN? | Jun 22 16:43 |
| ender2070 | pretty much | Jun 22 16:43 |
| MinceR | then they're not sovereign and not free | Jun 22 16:44 |
| ender2070 | they arent elected | Jun 22 16:44 |
| ender2070 | the EU isnt elected either | Jun 22 16:44 |
| ender2070 | the EU is always up in the business of other countries laws | Jun 22 16:44 |
| ender2070 | Greece is a good example of EU and IMF tampering in Democracy | Jun 22 16:45 |
| ender2070 | the people there were attacking police because of it | Jun 22 16:45 |
| ender2070 | petrol bombs and shit | Jun 22 16:45 |
| MinceR | afaik greeks expected to be saved from the crisis while paying exorbitant pensions | Jun 22 16:46 |
| MinceR | and using euro | Jun 22 16:46 |
| MinceR | also, being in debt to the IMF is a bad situation to be in | Jun 22 16:51 |
| schestowitz | [16:28] <ender2070> they signed it to make USA happy | Jun 22 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Nopr | Jun 22 16:53 |
| schestowitz | the USA is 350 million or so people | Jun 22 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Those who want that copyright scam are just few rich people from Beverly Hills | Jun 22 16:54 |
| MinceR | those few rich people are in charge and those millions don't seem to mind too much | Jun 22 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Like DaemonFC | Jun 22 16:54 |
| schestowitz | He repeats them like a lovely parrot | Jun 22 16:54 |
| schestowitz | [16:30] <DaemonFC> Kyoto is a ruse | Jun 22 16:55 |
| schestowitz | [16:30] <DaemonFC> it cripples US manufacturing and makes us starve | Jun 22 16:55 |
| schestowitz | *LMAO* | Jun 22 16:55 |
| schestowitz | You, Sir, need to phone the cable company and cancel "Fox" | Jun 22 16:55 |
| nawi | yeah, pretty much all the other western countries ratified it | Jun 22 16:56 |
| nawi | there's no effect | Jun 22 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/22/AR2010062201657.html | Jun 22 16:58 |
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| DaemonFC | except 80% wage theft | Jun 22 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | you guys seem happy with that though | Jun 22 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | and 30% unemploymenyt | Jun 22 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | *unemployment | Jun 22 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | this climate control bullshit is nothing more than a plan to rob the poor of the last buying power they have | Jun 22 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | in order to starve them of food and things like heat in the winter | Jun 22 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | while the taxation on the rich is barely even noticed | Jun 22 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | they want to take an additional $200 a year from the millions of Americans living under the Federal poverty line already | Jun 22 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | the make this thing work | Jun 22 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's a way of exterminating the poor and making it look "green" | Jun 22 17:01 |
| MinceR | i'd rather exterminate the poor than all life on the planet :> | Jun 22 17:01 |
| nawi | lol, DaemonFC is stupid | Jun 22 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Gates can pay $200 a year | Jun 22 17:01 |
| MinceR | i'd rather see humans exterminate themselves than take the rest of the planet with them | Jun 22 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | a family of 4 living on $15,000 a year probably can't | Jun 22 17:01 |
| nawi | DaemonFC, just because your government is fucking stupid, doesn't make Kyoto is causing that to be | Jun 22 17:02 |
| nawi | only a fucking stupid moron government would ever enact a "$200 tax" or something | Jun 22 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | nawi: The carbon cap is estimated to take away pretty much everything from the very poorest people | Jun 22 17:02 |
| MinceR | btw progressive taxation isn't so great | Jun 22 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | the rich won't feel it | Jun 22 17:02 |
| nawi | DaemonFC, no carbon cap doesn't do anything | Jun 22 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's a regressive tax | Jun 22 17:02 |
| nawi | your government is doing a non-progressive "flat rate tax" or something | Jun 22 17:03 |
| nawi | blame your politicians, not kyoto | Jun 22 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's a regressive tax designed to look like a green energy bill | Jun 22 17:03 |
| MinceR | flat rate is the only way to go, if you have to do taxation | Jun 22 17:03 |
| nawi | anyway, Finland had super-fast economic growth even after ratifying Kyoto | Jun 22 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | Finland is a small country in a large world | Jun 22 17:03 |
| MinceR | (that is, a constant percentage of what you're taxing) | Jun 22 17:03 |
| nawi | DaemonFC, that's true for most of EU actually | Jun 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | their economy probably isn't very affected by Kyoto | Jun 22 17:04 |
| nawi | anyway, the problem with USA is SUPER LOW TAXES | Jun 22 17:04 |
| nawi | you need to double the tax rate | Jun 22 17:04 |
| MinceR | i'd like to have that "problem" | Jun 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | the US does not have super low taxes | Jun 22 17:04 |
| nawi | DaemonFC, turn off Fox news, stupid | Jun 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | it applies all of the taxation onto those who can least afford it | Jun 22 17:04 |
| MinceR | we could say i envy that "problem" | Jun 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't need to listen to your ignorance | Jun 22 17:04 |
| nawi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_revenue_as_percentage_of_GDP | Jun 22 17:04 |
| Techrights | Title: List of countries by tax revenue as percentage of GDP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 107.04 KB | Jun 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | you don't fucking live here | Jun 22 17:04 |
| nawi | no, I'm never ignorant | Jun 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | you don't fucking pay all the taxes | Jun 22 17:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: the USA has regressive tax? | Jun 22 17:04 |
| nawi | I know more about your country than you do | Jun 22 17:04 |
| nawi | stupid yankees :| | Jun 22 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: yes | Jun 22 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | a regressive tax goes after the middle class and poor | Jun 22 17:05 |
| nawi | I provided a source wihch confirms my statement, so DaemonFC, can you apogolize now? | Jun 22 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | and exempts the rich | Jun 22 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | Social Security is the best example of a regressive tax in the US | Jun 22 17:05 |
| nawi | United States28.2 | Jun 22 17:05 |
| nawi | Finland 43.6 | Jun 22 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | nawi: you're wrong | Jun 22 17:05 |
| nawi | so USA has super low tax rate | Jun 22 17:05 |
| nawi | you need to tax your rich like hell | Jun 22 17:05 |
| nawi | it's sad that the rich elite controls your state | Jun 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I'm saying | Jun 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | the low taxes are on the rich | Jun 22 17:06 |
| MinceR | no, not "like hell", only fairly | Jun 22 17:06 |
| nawi | so never vote for Democrats or Republicans, they're both far-right parties | Jun 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | it drags down the average as they go eat the poor | Jun 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 17:06 |
| nawi | DaemonFC, that's probably true | Jun 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | you're acting like we're all living tax free while 90% of us are being crushed to spare 10% their tax burden | Jun 22 17:06 |
| nawi | your taxes are probably still low | Jun 22 17:07 |
| nawi | like there's no fule tax | Jun 22 17:07 |
| nawi | fuel tax | Jun 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | nawi: 100% of my income is Social Security taxable | Jun 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | you know how much of Ballmer's is? | Jun 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | about 1% | Jun 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | tell me that's fair | Jun 22 17:07 |
| nawi | and that's the reason retarded yankees drive those big SUVs | Jun 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | tell me I'm not paying taxes | Jun 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | go on | Jun 22 17:07 |
| nawi | you need a high fuel tax so you learn how to make normal cars | Jun 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have an SUV | Jun 22 17:07 |
| MinceR | nawi: regressive taxing could produce a low tax ratio while still overtaxing the poor | Jun 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm busy paying Steve Ballmer's taxes | Jun 22 17:08 |
| nawi | MinceR, true | Jun 22 17:08 |
| MinceR | i'd like to have low fuel tax | Jun 22 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | the fuel tax is not low | Jun 22 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | it simply gets lobbed on to all the high taxes I already pay | Jun 22 17:08 |
| MinceR | well, the fuel tax i pay is exorbitant | Jun 22 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | you're looking at one shell in the pea and shell game | Jun 22 17:09 |
| MinceR | like, higher than in all the neighboring countries, afaik | Jun 22 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't matter what gas tax is in the US | Jun 22 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | if I'm paying 25% of my income to the feds, 3.5% to the state, 1.5% to the county, 1% to the city, 7% of whatever I spend to the state, and then usage fees on all my utilities | Jun 22 17:10 |
| nawi | DaemonFC, fuel tax is really low in USA compared to all other western countries | Jun 22 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | gas tax is the least of my problems | Jun 22 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | so gas tax does not matter | Jun 22 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | they steal it all from me in other taxes | Jun 22 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | low gas tax is there because rich people use lots of it | Jun 22 17:10 |
| nawi | DaemonFC, Finland has 20-50% income tax, 23% sales tax etc | Jun 22 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | subsidized by me | Jun 22 17:10 |
| nawi | on top of that huge fuel tax, like 70% | Jun 22 17:10 |
| nawi | high taxes are great | Jun 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | oh, then I get to turn around and pay property tax twice a year | Jun 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | there goes another $1,400 | Jun 22 17:11 |
| nawi | and property tax | Jun 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm probably paying more tax than you are | Jun 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | relative to income | Jun 22 17:11 |
| nawi | lol, the rich don't care if the fuel tax is high or low | Jun 22 17:11 |
| nawi | DaemonFC, no you're not | Jun 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | so Ballmer can live relatively tax free | Jun 22 17:11 |
| nawi | that's fucking bullshit | Jun 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | you obviously have no idea how layers of tax add up | Jun 22 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | and how regressive tax brackets work | Jun 22 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | if they can get a family of 4 making $40,000 a year to pay half their income in taxes, then turn around and only take about 30% from Ballmer, who makes roughly $12 billion a year... | Jun 22 17:13 |
| nawi | I just provided facts that they're higher in Finland (for example) | Jun 22 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | that's what you don't get | Jun 22 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | they tax the shit out of me to save Ballmer | Jun 22 17:13 |
| nawi | the rich in Finland only pay 28% of flat rate | Jun 22 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | the average rate of taxation may be lower in the US | Jun 22 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | that doesn't matter | Jun 22 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | what matters is who is paying it | Jun 22 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | which so happens to be the people who can least afford it | Jun 22 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | who are about to get hit again with "carbon" taxes | Jun 22 17:13 |
| nawi | all the americans seem to spend their money on bullshit | Jun 22 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | making things like groceries more expensive | Jun 22 17:14 |
| nawi | even the "poor" people | Jun 22 17:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Chicago Mercantile Exchange now trades future contracts on cheese -- 20,000 lbs units of domestic cheddar. Mmmmmm... | Jun 22 17:14 | |
| nawi | like fucking iphones and ipads and brand new cars on stupid payment plans etc | Jun 22 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | nawi: First of all, no | Jun 22 17:14 |
| nawi | even though everything is so cheap in the USA | Jun 22 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | your credit rating and income have to be a certain amount or you're not getting that stuff | Jun 22 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | nobody who is really poor has an ipad | Jun 22 17:15 |
| nawi | a Nissan 350Z costs like 20 000e in USA, 60 000e in Finland | Jun 22 17:15 |
| nawi | a $10 000 motorcycle costs 20 000 euros in Finland | Jun 22 17:15 |
| nawi | 23% general sales tax here | Jun 22 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | nawi: The useless baggage that you can't afford are children | Jun 22 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | quit reproducing and providing more victims to the next generation of rich | Jun 22 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | spend the extra money on yourself | Jun 22 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | die childless | Jun 22 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 17:16 |
| nawi | I don't plan to get children for other reasons | Jun 22 17:16 |
| nawi | but here in Finland things are relaxed because of social security | Jun 22 17:16 |
| nawi | healthcare is free, education is free | Jun 22 17:16 |
| nawi | the university is 0 e per year | Jun 22 17:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | so | Jun 22 17:16 |
| nawi | and the state pays me 5000 euros to study per year | Jun 22 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | a $10k motorcycle costs about $30k in finland? | Jun 22 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | that's one reason debt is piling up even with high taxation around here | Jun 22 17:17 |
| nawi | Diablo-D3, yeah, but those things are not that important | Jun 22 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | welfare and free schooling for bastard children and illegal immigrants | Jun 22 17:17 |
| nawi | I could afford a proper motorcycle as a student | Jun 22 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, they're not | Jun 22 17:17 |
| nawi | sold it to buy a car though | Jun 22 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | because WHO THE FUCK WOULD BUY A MOTORCYCLE IN FINLAND | Jun 22 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | ITS COLD UP THERE | Jun 22 17:17 |
| nawi | lots do | Jun 22 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | COLD | Jun 22 17:18 |
| nawi | we can ride 7-8 months a year depending on the location | Jun 22 17:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDD | Jun 22 17:18 |
| nawi | it's hot currently | Jun 22 17:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLDDDDDDDDD | Jun 22 17:18 |
| nawi | I had a bike for 4 years | Jun 22 17:18 |
| nawi | stfu | Jun 22 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | nawi, there are ways to make cheap fuel alcohols in bulk | Jun 22 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | if they really wanted to | Jun 22 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | they don't | Jun 22 17:19 |
| MinceR | 181030 < nawi> healthcare is free, education is free | Jun 22 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | better to keep the oil flowing | Jun 22 17:19 |
| MinceR | not really | Jun 22 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | oil is expensive | Jun 22 17:19 |
| nawi | MinceR, how so | Jun 22 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | oil is limited | Jun 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | [17:04] <MinceR> DaemonFC: the USA has regressive tax? | Jun 22 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | oil can't be grown 50 times per season on the same field | Jun 22 17:19 |
| MinceR | nawi: people still need to pay for them, but they do so through taxes and such | Jun 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Wow. What a buffoon | Jun 22 17:19 |
| MinceR | nawi: unless you're working miracles over there in finland | Jun 22 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Socialized Insecurity cap | Jun 22 17:20 |
| nawi | MinceR, so they're free just like roads are free to use | Jun 22 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Yes, many USians are under the illusion they are taxed heavily, even when the facts show otherwise | Jun 22 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | look it up | Jun 22 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | if you can tell me that's fair, you're a moron | Jun 22 17:20 |
| MinceR | nawi: yes, they're not free to use just like roads :> | Jun 22 17:20 |
| nawi | what | Jun 22 17:20 |
| nawi | there are no road tolls in finland | Jun 22 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Steve Ballmer only makes $102,500 a year | Jun 22 17:20 |
| MinceR | yet roads have maintenance costs | Jun 22 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | in taxable SS wages | Jun 22 17:20 |
| MinceR | and building costs | Jun 22 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 17:20 |
| MinceR | and those costs need to be paid somehow | Jun 22 17:20 |
| nawi | MinceR, yes, nobody is interested in that | Jun 22 17:21 |
| nawi | they're free for the users | Jun 22 17:21 |
| MinceR | see, that's your problem | Jun 22 17:21 |
| nawi | nobody cares where the state gets their money | Jun 22 17:21 |
| MinceR | nobody cares until they realize it's _them_ | Jun 22 17:21 |
| nawi | taxes should probably be even higher in Finland | Jun 22 17:21 |
| MinceR | yes, to disincentivize producing more value | Jun 22 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: He doesn't understand that money is robbed from him to provide services he doesn't benefit from to some stranger's kids after being cycled through tons of bureaucracies and half of it wasted before it even gets there | Jun 22 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | he just wants to point it out | Jun 22 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 17:21 |
| nawi | anyway, I'm supporting the basic income scheme, where every citizen gets paid by the state like 700-1000e per month | Jun 22 17:21 |
| nawi | lots of support for that idea here | Jun 22 17:22 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: that's something socialists generally don't realize | Jun 22 17:22 |
| nawi | MinceR, no, every 5 year old knows that | Jun 22 17:22 |
| MinceR | nawi: who needs incentives for doing work well? or working at all? | Jun 22 17:22 |
| *DaemonFC puts MinceR on his Holiday Card list and hands him a cookie | Jun 22 17:22 | |
| ender2070 | [11:59] <nawi> you need to tax your rich like hell | Jun 22 17:22 |
| ender2070 | I agree | Jun 22 17:22 |
| nawi | MinceR, many | Jun 22 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | at least someone here is on the same page | Jun 22 17:22 |
| nawi | MinceR, your point? | Jun 22 17:22 |
| MinceR | nawi: yet here you are arguing for being paid by the state a flat rate | Jun 22 17:22 |
| nawi | MinceR, read up what basic income means | Jun 22 17:23 |
| MinceR | nawi: or for exorbitant taxes | Jun 22 17:23 |
| MinceR | go live in north korea | Jun 22 17:23 |
| MinceR | or cuba | Jun 22 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: my taxes go to pay for some stranger's bastard children to eat and go to school | Jun 22 17:23 |
| MinceR | the state does all the deciding for you over there | Jun 22 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | after being wasted by bureaucrats | Jun 22 17:23 |
| nawi | MinceR, stop far-right propaganda | Jun 22 17:23 |
| ender2070 | nawi - not so | Jun 22 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | I see a problem with that | Jun 22 17:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: mine go to the rich bastards who run this country | Jun 22 17:23 |
| nawi | MinceR, that's like saying the USA is Nazi-Germany | Jun 22 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | they're not my kids | Jun 22 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | burn them, I don't care | Jun 22 17:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: except for the portion that's merely squandered | Jun 22 17:24 |
| nawi | North-Korea is not a true socialist country | Jun 22 17:24 |
| MinceR | nawi: it's not far-right propaganda | Jun 22 17:24 |
| ender2070 | anarchists dont like tax or governments, and they arent left or right | Jun 22 17:24 |
| nawi | MinceR, stfu | Jun 22 17:24 |
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| MinceR | nawi: taking money out of the people's hand and deciding how to spend it for them is not "far right propaganda" | Jun 22 17:24 |
| MinceR | what an idiot | Jun 22 17:24 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jun 22 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I pay Steve Ballmer's share of the tax bill so I can send the trailer park kids to school and so their family can defraud the wellfare system while they're selling drugs out of the trailer and living like rock stars | Jun 22 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | while I'm eating a baloney sandwich and trying to pay my rent | Jun 22 17:25 |
| MinceR | more than half of the value i produce is taken out of my hand and the services the state gives me for it are completely shitty | Jun 22 17:25 |
| ender2070 | hes a liberal extremist, anyone who doesnt agree with him is spouting 'far right propaganda' | Jun 22 17:25 |
| ender2070 | because hes spouting far left propaganda | Jun 22 17:25 |
| MinceR | some of that money goes to support cults, some of it goes to m$ | Jun 22 17:25 |
| ender2070 | I know because I used to be far left ;) | Jun 22 17:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 22 17:26 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 17:26 |
| ender2070 | then I stopped watching tv and started reading more | Jun 22 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | quit complaing, DaemonFC go back to paying half your income in taxes for services you mostly can't access, DaemonFC, Steve Ballmer and the Trailer Park Kids love you, DaemonFC Please die before you turn 67 and start drawing something you paid in, DaemonFC | Jun 22 17:26 |
| ender2070 | I was brainwashed by the liberal media | Jun 22 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | enjoy that ramen noodle cup, DaemonFC | Jun 22 17:26 |
| ender2070 | and my school had some far left ideas pushed by teachers too | Jun 22 17:27 |
| ender2070 | made sense at the time | Jun 22 17:27 |
| ender2070 | I used to vote for the NDP | Jun 22 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: At least I understand it when it's something everyone benefits from and needs in the first place | Jun 22 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | health insurance is a great example | Jun 22 17:28 |
| ender2070 | http://www.ndp.ca/ | Jun 22 17:28 |
| Techrights | Title: NDP .::. Size~: 23.98 KB | Jun 22 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | but why am I sending a stranger's kids to school? | Jun 22 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | why am I feeding their family? | Jun 22 17:29 |
| ender2070 | [12:22] <DaemonFC> but why am I sending a stranger's kids to school? | Jun 22 17:29 |
| ender2070 | society | Jun 22 17:29 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: or when some other factor makes it impractical to do otherwise | Jun 22 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | why am I paying 20% more of my income in tax than Ballmer is? | Jun 22 17:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Today at 12pm Pac / 3pm Eas / 8pm UK / 9pm Eur I will be doing a live Severed Fifth videocast update - http://is.gd/cYAS7 #severedfifth | Jun 22 17:29 | |
| Techrights | Title: Next Severed Fifth TV Videocast: Tue 22nd June 2010 | Severed Fifth .::. Size~: 16.92 KB | Jun 22 17:29 |
| ender2070 | i dont want to put up with your braindead children, so i want them in school | Jun 22 17:29 |
| ender2070 | :P | Jun 22 17:29 |
| ender2070 | of course you wont have any cause ur queer | Jun 22 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: They keep talking about abortion, but surprisingly few of them use it | Jun 22 17:29 |
| ender2070 | http://www.ndp.ca/press/layton-urges-g8g20-to-put-global-poverty-climate-change-top-agenda | Jun 22 17:30 |
| Techrights | Title: Layton urges G8/G20 to put global poverty and climate change at top of the agenda | NDP .::. Size~: 22.61 KB | Jun 22 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | and I've seen some kids that need to be retroactively aborted | Jun 22 17:30 |
| ender2070 | lame | Jun 22 17:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 22 17:30 |
| ender2070 | NDP sucks now | Jun 22 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | but the thing is, it's impossible to tell which kids should have been aborted until it's like 10 years too late | Jun 22 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | that's my ethical problem with it I guess | Jun 22 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | not so much that it's done, but that they're aborting the wrong ones | Jun 22 17:31 |
| MinceR | if the parents didn't want to conceive the child in the first place then they should be allowed to abort it early enough | Jun 22 17:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: why? What happened when you turned 10? >-) | Jun 22 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Mandatory sterilization after one kid you put on welfare | Jun 22 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | How about that? | Jun 22 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | signing up for welfare is volunteering to be sterilized | Jun 22 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | see how many of them do it after that | Jun 22 17:32 |
| ender2070 | they already did that | Jun 22 17:32 |
| MinceR | what do you mean by "welfare" in this case? | Jun 22 17:32 |
| ender2070 | huge public backlash | Jun 22 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Food Stamps | Jun 22 17:32 |
| *ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has joined #boycottnovell | Jun 22 17:32 | |
| DaemonFC | Medicaid | Jun 22 17:32 |
| schestowitz | People put a high priority on spreading their DNA, DaemonFC | Jun 22 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | Subsidized housing | Jun 22 17:32 |
| MinceR | i think we should merely stop paying people to make children | Jun 22 17:32 |
| ender2070 | they were sterilizing native american women too | Jun 22 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: That's what I'm saying | Jun 22 17:33 |
| schestowitz | You repress the popultion if you do that and make class wars worse | Jun 22 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's all perks for having bastard children | Jun 22 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | get rid of it | Jun 22 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | lower my taxes | Jun 22 17:33 |
| ender2070 | it wont | Jun 22 17:33 |
| schestowitz | People's DNA is hardly different (maybe 0.01%), yet few want to adopt children | Jun 22 17:33 |
| MinceR | there are enough people around, no need to hand out prizes for making more | Jun 22 17:33 |
| ender2070 | they are spending the money to encourage births | Jun 22 17:33 |
| ender2070 | they want less immigrants | Jun 22 17:33 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: the significance of genetic material is anisotropic | Jun 22 17:34 |
| MinceR | that 0.01% accounts for a lot | Jun 22 17:34 |
| ender2070 | in canada at least thats why we allow so many people in | Jun 22 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: How does $400 in food stamps, $300 in rent credits, and several hundred dolalrs worth of Medicaid sound? | Jun 22 17:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but this is /YOUR/ kid, the centre of the universe | Jun 22 17:34 |
| ender2070 | the government requires 1% population growth, if we cant do it ourselves they let more immigrants in who leech more off the system | Jun 22 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | all this can be YOURS if you produce two units you can't pay for | Jun 22 17:34 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i don't see the point of the whole food stamp/etc deal | Jun 22 17:34 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: then i should produce enough value to support that kid | Jun 22 17:34 |
| schestowitz | [17:34] <MinceR> that 0.01% accounts for a lot | Jun 22 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Little compared to cross-species | Jun 22 17:35 |
| ender2070 | [12:27] <schestowitz> People's DNA is hardly different (maybe 0.01%), yet few want to adopt children | Jun 22 17:35 |
| ender2070 | fuck yourself | Jun 22 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: government mandated interracial gangbangs | Jun 22 17:35 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] have you tried? | Jun 22 17:35 | |
| DaemonFC | until we're all one happy shade of gray | Jun 22 17:35 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Uran Gutan is like 99.3% idetical | Jun 22 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Chimps much higher than that | Jun 22 17:35 |
| ender2070 | the eugenics movement does not support that idea at all | Jun 22 17:35 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that 0.01% makes certain humans particularly intelligent, that ought to count for something | Jun 22 17:35 |
| ender2070 | raw science | Jun 22 17:35 |
| ender2070 | there are people with better DNA than others | Jun 22 17:35 |
| MinceR | even if some people are idiots, i'm not, and i'm certainly a lot smarter than all the nonhuman apes :> | Jun 22 17:36 |
| schestowitz | [17:35] <ender2070> fuck yourself | Jun 22 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Only Mary can do that | Jun 22 17:36 |
| MinceR | lol | Jun 22 17:36 |
| MinceR | not even she could, actually | Jun 22 17:36 |
| MinceR | it was only a lie | Jun 22 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she could have sex with the 'holy spirit' cause she was sexually deraged | Jun 22 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Uterus and a sack | Jun 22 17:37 |
| ender2070 | people are NOT all the same | Jun 22 17:37 |
| ender2070 | we're not all one | Jun 22 17:37 |
| schestowitz | [17:36] <MinceR> even if some people are idiots, i'm not, and i'm certainly a lot smarter than all the nonhuman apes :> | Jun 22 17:37 |
| schestowitz | We are not so smart | Jun 22 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceRschestowitz: that 0.01% makes certain humans particularly intelligent, that ought to count for something | Jun 22 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | mine is 0.02% off | Jun 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Dolphins and whales are smart, we just can't see it | Jun 22 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | I'm the Great x 500 grandson of white Jesus | Jun 22 17:38 |
| ender2070 | [12:31] <schestowitz> Dolphins and whales are smart, we just can't see it | Jun 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to see US survey asking people if whales are fish :-)D | Jun 22 17:38 |
| ender2070 | then how do we know? | Jun 22 17:38 |
| ender2070 | :P | Jun 22 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | I have the power! | Jun 22 17:38 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that needs evidence | Jun 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Let's send all the whales to clean the Gulf | Jun 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Use them as living filters | Jun 22 17:38 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - memorizing arbitrary definitions (which change) isn't a sign of intelligence | Jun 22 17:39 |
| schestowitz | :-o | Jun 22 17:39 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: also, dolphins and whales are genetically more distant from humans than nonhuman apes | Jun 22 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I keep saying, plug it up with the oil cartel managers that go yachting during the crisis | Jun 22 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 17:39 |
| ender2070 | pluto was a planet until 2007, yet if someone still calls it that they arent dumb they are misinformed | Jun 22 17:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: compare them to Neanderthals | Jun 22 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I vote that it's a planet | Jun 22 17:39 |
| ender2070 | mistakes breed intelligence in fact | Jun 22 17:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how well neanderthals could communicate | Jun 22 17:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: your vote is insufficient | Jun 22 17:40 |
| schestowitz | We also have more limbs | Jun 22 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | within the boundaries of my sovereign 2 bedroom apartment, Pluto is a planet | Jun 22 17:40 |
| schestowitz | So we and other apes can make tools | Jun 22 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: It was unanimous | Jun 22 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Monkeys make tools too | Jun 22 17:40 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you're not alone on this planet | Jun 22 17:40 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - i still consider it a planet too, but i follow astrology | Jun 22 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Vocal chords suck for them | Jun 22 17:40 |
| MinceR | by the current definition, it's not a planet | Jun 22 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Some dolphins are born with small leg-like organs.. like humans who are born with tails | Jun 22 17:40 |
| *DaemonFC chokes ender2070 with his Aries pendant | Jun 22 17:40 | |
| ender2070 | the current definition is stupid | Jun 22 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahahaha!!!! | Jun 22 17:40 |
| MinceR | but feel free to use different meanings for the same word if you like confusing people :> | Jun 22 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | on the Chinese zodiac, I am a rat | Jun 22 17:41 |
| schestowitz | which word? | Jun 22 17:41 |
| ender2070 | it doesnt fit the definition because its size | Jun 22 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | a wood rat | Jun 22 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Jabba and Ryan: leopard and ape :-) | Jun 22 17:41 |
| ender2070 | it was arbitrarily changed | Jun 22 17:41 |
| ender2070 | theres no good reason to downgrade pluto other than to water down the new agers beliefs | Jun 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm also the voting delegate for the CatBearPig otherwise known as Jabba | Jun 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | so it's still unanimous | Jun 22 17:42 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto#Classification | Jun 22 17:44 |
| Techrights | Title: Pluto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 374.15 KB | Jun 22 17:44 |
| MinceR | lurk moar | Jun 22 17:44 |
| ender2070 | btw, mincer | Jun 22 17:45 |
| ender2070 | we have a pirate party here in canada | Jun 22 17:45 |
| ender2070 | bastards beat me too it | Jun 22 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I took the Furminator to Jabba a few hours ago | Jun 22 17:45 |
| ender2070 | to it | Jun 22 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | cause he was starting to shed again | Jun 22 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | got a fair bit of it off him I think | Jun 22 17:45 |
| MinceR | we don't have a real pirate party here | Jun 22 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'm thinking of getting some of that rinse-free cat shampoo and catching him by surprise with it | Jun 22 17:46 |
| MinceR | a suspicious party is doing pirate party functionality to some extent | Jun 22 17:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] A single EU patent looks dead in the water as member states seek alternatives, EU patent like the Eurozone http://ur1.ca/0bcgc | Jun 22 17:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IAM: A single EU patent looks dead in the water as member states seek alternatives, EU patent like the Eurozone http://ur1.ca/0bcgc | Jun 22 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: make a pillow | Jun 22 17:47 |
| Techrights | Title: IAM Magazine - IAM Blog - A single EU patent looks dead in the water as member states seek alternatives .::. Size~: 88.03 KB | Jun 22 17:47 |
| Techrights | Title: IAM Magazine - IAM Blog - A single EU patent looks dead in the water as member states seek alternatives .::. Size~: 88.05 KB | Jun 22 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Can I bring the green bean casserole? | Jun 22 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 17:47 |
| MinceR | what | Jun 22 17:47 |
| MinceR | bbl, going home | Jun 22 17:47 |
| ender2070 | http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/ | Jun 22 17:47 |
| ender2070 | these guys seem okay | Jun 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | You're attached to the cat like a widow in her 80s | Jun 22 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | to the pirate party | Jun 22 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | put me down for the green bean casserole | Jun 22 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | green bean casserole is cheating | Jun 22 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's the most delicious side dish and requires the least work | Jun 22 17:48 |
| ender2070 | Canada is in better shape than the states | Jun 22 17:49 |
| ender2070 | the bank of canada isn't private like the federal reserve | Jun 22 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but state-sanctioned monopoly with board appointed by the president is next best thing | Jun 22 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | right? :) | Jun 22 17:51 |
| ender2070 | you want that for the organization that prints the money for you | Jun 22 17:52 |
| ender2070 | otherwise you're paying interest to a private bank, ie federal reserve | Jun 22 17:52 |
| ender2070 | hmmm | Jun 22 17:56 |
| ender2070 | http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/news-articles/false-flag/279-national-post-covers-the-truth-movement | Jun 22 17:56 |
| ender2070 | http://www.moneyasdebt.net/ | Jun 22 17:57 |
| Techrights | Title: Money as Debt .::. Size~: 0.93 KB | Jun 22 17:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks for http://current.com/shows/supernews/91659341_the-google-toilet.htm | Jun 22 17:59 |
| Techrights | Title: The Google Toilet // Current .::. Size~: 130.39 KB | Jun 22 18:00 |
| ender2070 | looks like CAP is aware of the NWO | Jun 22 18:06 |
| ender2070 | http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/news-articles/civil-rights/132-howd-they-do-that-racial-manipulation-can-it-be-stopped | Jun 22 18:06 |
| ender2070 | "As more and more countries suffer under the new world order, headed by the corporate multinationals, more people will be displaced. When Canada becomes enslaved like so many other nations and there is nowhere left to go for any of us, perhaps then we will wish we had stood together as one race!" | Jun 22 18:07 |
| ender2070 | http://www.canadianactionparty.ca/news-articles/corporatocracy/218-anti-nau-warriors-beginning-to-move-the-rock-uphill | Jun 22 18:09 |
| ender2070 | i found a good party lol | Jun 22 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | my free coffee maker is on the way | Jun 22 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Jun 22 18:09 |
| ender2070 | if i ever vote again | Jun 22 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Nixon/Agnew ftw | Jun 22 18:13 |
| ender2070 | The document titled Managing Transboundary Water in North America describes how NAFTA can be used to force Canada into exporting water. You will notice that this document is available only in Spanish. | Jun 22 18:13 |
| ender2070 | http://www.fina-nafi.org/eng/triumvirat09/fonctionnement.asp?langue=eng&menu=triumvirat09 | Jun 22 18:14 |
| Techrights | Title: FINA-NAFI - Triumvirate 2009 .::. Size~: 14.33 KB | Jun 22 18:14 |
| ender2070 | Do you know about the Triumvirate DaemonFC? | Jun 22 18:14 |
| ender2070 | 'The Triumvirate, North America's Parliament' | Jun 22 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | no, they probably just deduct their fee from my paycheck | Jun 22 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | like the rest of the government :) | Jun 22 18:15 |
| ender2070 | a little worse than that actually | Jun 22 18:15 |
| ender2070 | think of the EU | Jun 22 18:15 |
| ender2070 | ive heard that name before | Jun 22 18:16 |
| ender2070 | Triumvirate | Jun 22 18:16 |
| ender2070 | i think it was predictive programming from some sci-fi, possibly ender's game | Jun 22 18:16 |
| ender2070 | "Ender's Game takes place in Earth's future after two invasions by insectoid aliens called Formics or buggers. Following the world's successful defense against the aliens, the world has been united under a triumvirate of the Hegemon, the political ruler of world; the Strategos, holding the overall command of the solar system's defense, and the Polemarch, commanding the International Fleet's warships. " | Jun 22 18:19 |
| ender2070 | great books tho | Jun 22 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=136593&title=poo-power | Jun 22 18:26 |
| Techrights | Title: Poo Power | Futurama | Comedy Central .::. Size~: 55.76 KB | Jun 22 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxeFMHyOx3I&feature=related | Jun 22 18:29 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Nixon "I'm not a crook" press conference .::. Size~: 88.99 KB | Jun 22 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh163n1lJ4M&feature=related | Jun 22 18:30 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Richard Nixon - "I'm not a crook" [HIGHER QUALITY - FULL VERSION] .::. Size~: 90.95 KB | Jun 22 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | better one | Jun 22 18:30 |
| ender2070 | ah | Jun 22 18:30 |
| ender2070 | except he lied | Jun 22 18:30 |
| ender2070 | its obvious too by his body language | Jun 22 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzXL7C0JQDM&feature=related | Jun 22 18:31 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Richard Nixon resigns - August 8, 1974 .::. Size~: 88.93 KB | Jun 22 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM9dGr8ArR0&feature=related | Jun 22 18:34 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Ford Pardons Nixon - September 8, 1974 .::. Size~: 90.94 KB | Jun 22 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | he cites God a lot | Jun 22 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | God told him to pardon Nixon | Jun 22 18:36 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 18:36 |
| ender2070 | well people knew he was lying even back then based on body language | Jun 22 18:37 |
| ender2070 | its hardly evidence tho | Jun 22 18:37 |
| ender2070 | people at the time said it was cause he was reading his speech | Jun 22 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | God told him to write a confusing and hard to follow 10 minute speech explaining how God told him to pardon Nixon, and that cheating justice is the American thing to do | Jun 22 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | which is apparently in the constitution | Jun 22 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 18:39 |
| ender2070 | he didnt write his speeches | Jun 22 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | God did | Jun 22 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | White God no less | Jun 22 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and White Jesus hand delivered them | Jun 22 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | the body language is a test you see | Jun 22 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | to see if we think it's really a message from White God | Jun 22 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | White Jesus does these things you know | Jun 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | not even | Jun 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | all these politicians have script writers | Jun 22 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | like when White Jesus spread the dinosaur fossils 5,000 years ago | Jun 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | and nixon literally was an actor | Jun 22 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | just to fuck with us | Jun 22 18:42 |
| ender2070 | yo man | Jun 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | what if aliens came down and genetically engineered us | Jun 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | from apes or something | Jun 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | thats why theres no in between stuff around | Jun 22 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | there's no in-between stuff around because those forms are obsolete | Jun 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | thats why ancient tables have UFO's on them | Jun 22 18:43 |
| ender2070 | bam | Jun 22 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | and interbreeding of species | Jun 22 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 18:44 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jun 22 18:44 |
| ender2070 | god in the bible might just be some alien | Jun 22 18:44 |
| ender2070 | who loved to blow shit up | Jun 22 18:44 |
| ender2070 | including homosexuals | Jun 22 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | technically, modern humans are a transition form | Jun 22 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | on our way to something else | Jun 22 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | if we live that long | Jun 22 18:45 |
| ender2070 | i think ockam's razor is flawed | Jun 22 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | maybe the next form will have a smaller more efficient brain, and the vestigial organs won't be there anymore | Jun 22 18:45 |
| ender2070 | theres a mathematical formula that proves aliens exist right | Jun 22 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | well, the Neanderthals had a larger brain, but it was less efficient than ours | Jun 22 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Jun 22 18:46 |
| ender2070 | ockam's razor would suggest that if the bible is true its more likely aliens than a supernatural diety with which no mathematical formula exists to prove it exists | Jun 22 18:46 |
| ender2070 | worshiping aliens would be more logical than being a christian | Jun 22 18:47 |
| ender2070 | therefor, scientology is the only religion that makes sense | Jun 22 18:48 |
| ender2070 | rofl j/k | Jun 22 18:48 |
| ender2070 | scientology is crazy | Jun 22 18:48 |
| ender2070 | religion invented by a sci-fi author | Jun 22 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | Neanderthals didn't just die out | Jun 22 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | humans interbred with them | Jun 22 18:49 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7EEOMbBIO8 | Jun 22 18:51 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: I suppose in some ways, the interbreeding probably helped modern humans | Jun 22 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | patch up some genetic weaknesses we might have otherwise had, perhaps? | Jun 22 18:52 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk4wu-5DLNs | Jun 22 18:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @techdirt: Major Labels Begin Major Astroturfing Campaign To Get 3 Strikes In The US http://dlvr.it/1xGsz | Jun 22 18:57 | |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 18:57 |
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| DaemonFC | "If everyone hates you, you need to pretend to be someone you aren't to get support right? Makes sense to me." | Jun 22 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jun 22 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | right on | Jun 22 19:01 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: As a concerned citizen, I'm worried that the MAFIAA is only making $8 billion a year now instead of the $16 billion they could theoretically have provided that everyone was going to buy a copy of everything they got a free copy of at list price. | Jun 22 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm here to wag my finger at you | Jun 22 19:02 |
| ender2070 | what | Jun 22 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | can't you see you've decimated those poor billionaires? | Jun 22 19:03 |
| ender2070 | swaping music is legal here | Jun 22 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | you naughty monkey, you! | Jun 22 19:03 |
| ender2070 | privately | Jun 22 19:03 |
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| DaemonFC | it's legal to be a naughty monkey in Canada? | Jun 22 19:03 |
| *DaemonFC moves | Jun 22 19:03 | |
| ender2070 | you cant sell copies but you can let your friend copy your disk | Jun 22 19:03 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: We have a similar law called the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 | Jun 22 19:04 |
| ender2070 | in court they said it was legal for someone to have music available for someone to download off of them | Jun 22 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's ignored by the thugs though | Jun 22 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | might makes right | Jun 22 19:04 |
| ender2070 | because the person downloading the copy from you is making the copy not you | Jun 22 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: The Act specifies you can make free copies for your "friends" | Jun 22 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | and doesn't specify who those "friends" are | Jun 22 19:05 |
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| ender2070 | so what is the RIAA doing? | Jun 22 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | technically I could call everyone in the swarm my friend | Jun 22 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | and be well within my rights to copy my music for them | Jun 22 19:05 |
| ender2070 | so what is the riaa doing? | Jun 22 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | they bribed the judges and politicians to ignore the law | Jun 22 19:06 |
| ender2070 | they are suing people and winning | Jun 22 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | the law that was never repealed | Jun 22 19:06 |
| ender2070 | ahhh | Jun 22 19:06 |
| ender2070 | our politicians made a shut up tax | Jun 22 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | the government can't tell me who I call my friend, can they? :( | Jun 22 19:06 |
| ender2070 | they put a tax on media that might store music and give some of it to the recording industry | Jun 22 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Home_Recording_Act | Jun 22 19:06 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jun 22 19:07 |
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| DaemonFC | AHRA also says you can make backup copies for your own use | Jun 22 19:07 |
| ender2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy | Jun 22 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: The judge in the Diamond Rio case cited AHRA in saying that MP3 players are legal | Jun 22 19:07 |
| Techrights | Title: Private copying levy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 76.3 KB | Jun 22 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | because you're just backing up your music in a format of your choosing | Jun 22 19:07 |
| schestowitz | [18:48] <ender2070> scientology is crazy | Jun 22 19:07 |
| schestowitz | [18:49] <ender2070> religion invented by a sci-fi author | Jun 22 19:07 |
| schestowitz | All religions are like that | Jun 22 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Small ones get called "cults" | Jun 22 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | the RIAA was livid when they failed to outlaw MP3 players | Jun 22 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | if they had their way, devices like the iPod would never have been | Jun 22 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 players were illegal in the United States for exactly one week | Jun 22 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | during a temporary injunction | Jun 22 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | before the judge made the finding of fact that they were fair use | Jun 22 19:09 |
| ender2070 | ours works in court all the time though daemonfc | Jun 22 19:10 |
| ender2070 | thats why they enacted the levy | Jun 22 19:10 |
| ender2070 | they have to take the levy off if they make it illegal | Jun 22 19:10 |
| ender2070 | As of September 7, 2007 over one hundred million dollars has been distributed | Jun 22 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I had expected the case to go badly, but they must have gotten the one non-corrupt US judge out of the next 1,000 or so | Jun 22 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | I wish Napster had gotten the same judge | Jun 22 19:11 |
| ender2070 | if they take the levy off the government doesnt get its little piece | Jun 22 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | file sharing would have been declared fair use too I'll bet | Jun 22 19:11 |
| ender2070 | 'administration fees' | Jun 22 19:11 |
| ender2070 | not like it matters anyways | Jun 22 19:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Wow nice observation about Chrome logo - http://vivekkhurana.net/chrome_evolve.jpg | Jun 22 19:12 | |
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| ender2070 | libraries have music and books and movies these days | Jun 22 19:12 |
| ender2070 | all for free | Jun 22 19:12 |
| ender2070 | ours will soon have some video games too | Jun 22 19:12 |
| ender2070 | consoles | Jun 22 19:13 |
| ender2070 | supposed to encourage kids to go to the library | Jun 22 19:13 |
| ender2070 | mine has free wifi | Jun 22 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: To be fair, Limewire (Gnutella) is 60% bootleg MP3s, 10% kiddie porn, 5% accidentally shared tax records, 20% malware, and 4.9% bootleg copies of Limewire Pro (with viruses), and 0.1% Other | Jun 22 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 19:13 |
| ender2070 | lol limewire | Jun 22 19:13 |
| ender2070 | frostwire is limewire pro | Jun 22 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | basically, yes | Jun 22 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | without all the spam and the braindead copy of AVG antivirus | Jun 22 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 22 19:14 |
| ender2070 | its easier to find flac on the pirate bay | Jun 22 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | right | Jun 22 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Gnutella is annoying and slow | Jun 22 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | and you have to look for stuff file by file | Jun 22 19:15 |
| ender2070 | even usenet | Jun 22 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | and you never know if it's a fake until you have it | Jun 22 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | and almost everyone I've seen get sued by the RIAA is using it | Jun 22 19:15 |
| ender2070 | its funny the law though cause it would be illegal if I directly initiated the file transfer | Jun 22 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | (it was neck and neck with Kazaa) | Jun 22 19:16 |
| ender2070 | so if i sent it over msn it would be illegal | Jun 22 19:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Scribd’s Decision To Dump Flash Pays Off, User Engagement Triples http://tcrn.ch/deiTYp #html5 | Jun 22 19:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: You notice that? | Jun 22 19:16 |
| ender2070 | but if i ran an http server with a directory full of flacs, it would be legal | Jun 22 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | almost everyone getting sued is using Limewire | Jun 22 19:16 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | every time the article mentions what they were using, it seems like it always specifies Limewire | Jun 22 19:16 |
| ender2070 | thats because they wanted to kill limewire in court | Jun 22 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | well, then the RIAA/MPAA were running fake bittorrent trackers | Jun 22 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | remember those? | Jun 22 19:17 |
| ender2070 | meanwhile, limewire is just a client | Jun 22 19:17 |
| ender2070 | a shitty one too | Jun 22 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | then they decided to poison real trackers with specially corrupted files that stopped at 99.5% | Jun 22 19:17 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: You know there's something wrong when ANYTHING has seeders in the tens of thousands | Jun 22 19:18 |
| ender2070 | not hard to find stuff that works | Jun 22 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's almost like they were trying to warn you that it was a fake | Jun 22 19:18 |
| ender2070 | technically i think bit torrent might be illegal here | Jun 22 19:18 |
| ender2070 | seeding | Jun 22 19:18 |
| ender2070 | its definately distribution | Jun 22 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I use the blocklist from Bluetack | Jun 22 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | the normal ones, blocks stuff like Microsoft IP ranges, anti-P2P ranges, bogons, etc. | Jun 22 19:19 |
| ender2070 | does it block vogons? | Jun 22 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | I know those aren't really 100%, but it blocks a lot of stuff I know I don't want anything to do with | Jun 22 19:20 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbN1NaQ7yQI | Jun 22 19:20 |
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| ender2070 | sounds like the definition of a government employee | Jun 22 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://blocklistpro.com/faqs/biss-ip-filters-sources-list-faq.html | Jun 22 19:21 |
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| DaemonFC | I just use the Normal list | Jun 22 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | there's no reason to block EDU | Jun 22 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | unless you want to block off lots of high bandwidth seeders | Jun 22 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 19:22 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 19:22 |
| ender2070 | internet2 users | Jun 22 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Rebel members of the BCS have been threatened with libel action unless they withdraw claims that appear to question the probity of the organisation's Trustees. | Jun 22 19:22 |
| ender2070 | buzzword for fiber | Jun 22 19:22 |
| schestowitz | The BCS is the midst of £5m 'transformation' programme that includes re-branding to "BCS: the Chartered Institute for IT". Such moves have not gone down well with some members. | Jun 22 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://blocklistpro.com/faqs/biss-ip-blocklists-faq.html | Jun 22 19:23 |
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| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 22 19:23 |
| ender2070 | you know what you are | Jun 22 19:24 |
| ender2070 | you're a manically depressed robot | Jun 22 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | MarvinFC? | Jun 22 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Jun 22 19:24 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQqeidrlDyw | Jun 22 19:25 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: np | Jun 22 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Google targets people's back end | Jun 22 19:26 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: that's a boring video | Jun 22 19:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In 30mins join me live in the Severed Fifth live videocast at #severedfifth | Jun 22 19:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Oops, the Severed Fifth videocast is happening at http://is.gd/cZrPP | Jun 22 19:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im back...for a little while....still suffering a little... | Jun 22 19:51 | |
| MinceR | http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4fhdu00ar1qc2hsmo1_500.jpg | Jun 22 19:58 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Court Says It's Okay To Remove Content From The Public Domain And Put It Back Under Copyright - http://bit.ly/9nx95v only works one way | Jun 22 19:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] About to start my live Severed Fifth videocast with lots of updates - join me and the community now at http://is.gd/cZrPP #severedfifth | Jun 22 20:05 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: :-) | Jun 22 20:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] First past the post - the view from New Zealand - http://bit.ly/aE2scV interesting comparison of voting systems #uk #nz #voting | Jun 22 20:07 | |
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| MinceR | "in democracy, your vote counts. in feudalism, your count votes." | Jun 22 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I just canceled my debit card | Jun 22 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | I've had the same numbers for 8 years | Jun 22 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 20:08 |
| MinceR | oh noes | Jun 22 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | plus new numbers means Gevalia can't keep me in their club | Jun 22 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | muaahahahaha!!! | Jun 22 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | free coffee pot :) | Jun 22 20:08 |
| MinceR | wtf gevalia? | Jun 22 20:08 |
| MinceR | (plural of gevalium, i guess) | Jun 22 20:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: durfahurf | Jun 22 20:09 |
| MinceR | guh? | Jun 22 20:09 |
| MinceR | or maybe it's where gevals live | Jun 22 20:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Biden to file sharers: 'Piracy is theft' - http://bit.ly/c0XSJ9 if he truly believes this, he should resign on the grounds of incompetence | Jun 22 20:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Patent battles over Smart Phone software, software gesture and software patents owned by Apple: http://ur1.ca/0bdmb | Jun 22 20:13 | |
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| ender2070 | http://www.google.com/googlevoice/about.html | Jun 22 20:13 |
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| ender2070 | damn you google | Jun 22 20:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] London 2012 Olympics Plans To Profit Online - http://bit.ly/dnf4mb translation: copyright and trademarks will be pushed to extremes #2012 | Jun 22 20:15 | |
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| ender2070 | i cant get it in canada | Jun 22 20:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[trmanco] Shot from above [pic] http://ff.im/mwIvJ | Jun 22 20:16 | |
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| MinceR | i don't want to get it | Jun 22 20:16 |
| ender2070 | better than skype I bet | Jun 22 20:16 |
| MinceR | dunno | Jun 22 20:17 |
| MinceR | i guess it is | Jun 22 20:17 |
| MinceR | in the case of google voice you only give up some of your privacy; in the case of skype you allow malware on your computer and allow it to do whatever it wants on the network | Jun 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | More people ought to use SIP | Jun 22 20:18 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Zy-Ande6I | Jun 22 20:18 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Jun 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | What does Google use? | Jun 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Can I phone someone from ekiga to Google Toilet? | Jun 22 20:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] UBUNTU ON TV: THE IT CROWD http://bit.ly/aEGugk #linux #foss #microsoft #mvp #windows #xp #vista #7 | Jun 22 20:19 | |
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| MinceR | lol | Jun 22 20:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Urgent ACTA Communique - http://bit.ly/abr16B you might like to sign this: I have; it's complete painless, if probably pointless #acta | Jun 22 20:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'll wait until friday to watch IT crowd....4OD is awful....unwatchable. #itcrowd #streaming #fail | Jun 22 20:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Petition calls for whaling moratorium to remain - http://bit.ly/dkar41 that's over a million of us in a few days... #whaling #japan | Jun 22 20:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Virgin America Runs Massive Workloads on Linux, Shares Best Practices - http://bit.ly/amaCX8 great to have another high-profile case study | Jun 22 20:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACTA is expanding its scope to patents, which is an inappropriate subject of a counterfeiting policy: http://ur1.ca/0aybk | Jun 22 20:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] sad to see increasing number of spam accounts on identi.ca; great fun blocking them, though.... | Jun 22 20:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Terrible News: Court Says It's Okay To Remove Content From The Public Domain And Put It Back Under Copyright #wtf http://bit.ly/baZ2C1 | Jun 22 20:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Canonical Assimilated by the OIN Borg - http://bit.ly/b8jblr so says Florian Mueller... #canonical #oin #swpats | Jun 22 20:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Aussie pols want compulsory AV software and firewalls - http://bit.ly/agI84D for *Windows*, makes sense... #australia | Jun 22 20:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] SchoolOS telecast video from NCERT on OpenOffice - http://bit.ly/dw87tY #OpenOffice #schoolos | Jun 22 20:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bill Gates doesn't work at Microsoft anymore - http://bit.ly/awQ45a "They are scared for that to be known even though to us it is obvious." | Jun 22 20:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | I think I just pwned myself | Jun 22 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | she forgot to mention that they can't issue me a temporary card until everything in progress on this one goes through | Jun 22 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | whooops | Jun 22 20:56 |
| *Wulf-is-not-here is now known as WireWulf | Jun 22 20:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Oracle Doesn’t “Go Bananas Over EIF 2.0” Being Subverted by #Microsoft and Friends http://ur1.ca/0bdws | Jun 22 20:58 | |
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| MinceR | bill gates used to _work_? | Jun 22 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | Well this looks kind of cool | Jun 22 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the lap top more so than Ubuntu Light | Jun 22 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/06/ubuntu-light-demoed-on-dell-as-dual.html | Jun 22 21:01 |
| Techrights | Title: Ubuntu Light demoed on a new Dell 14R | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 72.28 KB | Jun 22 21:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Drafting Definitions for Cultural Liberty - http://bit.ly/cpRUQG "dedicated to the restoration of everyone’s cultural liberty" | Jun 22 21:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Serena Denies Allegation That #Microsoft Paid it to Stage Ditching of #Google http://techrights.org/2010/06/22/paying-to-ditch/ | Jun 22 21:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] IFPI Sends DMCA Notice To Google Demanding It Stop Linking To The Pirate Bay... Entirely - http://bit.ly/c3pG5X total jokers #ifpi #dmca | Jun 22 21:09 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] I want a screaming knife http://2tu.us/2c26 | Jun 22 21:15 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Co-sign letter to Barack Obama, Senate demanding comp. #oilspill response. No band-aids! http://j.mp/obamaletter | Jun 22 21:20 | |
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| atlas2070 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/monolith-action-figure.shtml | Jun 22 21:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] .@glynmoody @sjvn Gates most certainly does still work 4 thru the Gates Foundation, where he adocates against FOSS | Jun 22 21:34 | |
| DaemonFC | heh, they offered ME a credit card | Jun 22 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | something is not right here | Jun 22 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 21:38 |
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| DaemonFC | has the United States sunk so low that I'm a good customer? | Jun 22 21:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[popey] Just finished recording the 50th episode of @uupc in the garden with @ciemon and @tonywhitmore | Jun 22 21:54 | |
| DaemonFC | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704853404575323083033828328.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Jun 22 21:57 |
| Techrights | Title: U.S. Sets Coordinated Response To Intellectual-Property Threats - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 101.07 KB | Jun 22 21:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Techrights is now ranked 1454th for traffic (by Netcraft); all-time high | Jun 22 21:58 | |
| DaemonFC | yuck | Jun 22 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365481,00.asp | Jun 22 21:58 |
| Techrights | Title: DOJ, FBI to Monitor Foreign Web Sites for IP Piracy | News & Opinion | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 76.9 KB | Jun 22 21:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Crikey, I wrote something! Neo-Nazis protest co-option of English flag by football fans http://newstechnica.com/?p=2210 | Jun 22 22:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | The MAFIAA owns Obama | Jun 22 22:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Framework for Legalising Software Patents in Europe Falls Over, So Why Does #Canonical Join the OIN? http://ur1.ca/0becg #ubuntu | Jun 22 22:04 | |
| Techrights | Title: Framework for Legalising Software Patents in Europe Falls Over, So Why Does Canonical Join the OIN? | Techrights .::. Size~: 109.17 KB | Jun 22 22:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody I think that @sjvn has not paid attention to what BillG does 'on the side' | Jun 22 22:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @einfeldt indeed - but it's not obvious to most people | Jun 22 22:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 Co-sign letter to Barack Obama, Senate demanding comp. #oilspill response. No band-aids! http://j.mp/obamaletter | Jun 22 22:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @einfeldt .@glynmoody @sjvn Gates most certainly does still work 4 thru the Gates Foundation, where he adocates against FOSS | Jun 22 22:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz well, that's slightly different in that it's not overt... | Jun 22 22:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Joe Biden shows again that he is part of #MAFIAA http://ur1.ca/0befx http://ur1.ca/0befy | Jun 22 22:27 | |
| Techrights | Title: Biden to file sharers: 'Piracy is theft' | Media Maverick - CNET News .::. Size~: 142.48 KB | Jun 22 22:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People were warned about Biden's relationship with #MAFIAA before the elections, but both parties were on Hollywood's side #illusion #choice | Jun 22 22:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] White House's IP Strategic Plan Not Nearly As Bad As Expected; But Not Great Either - http://bit.ly/atB37L small mercies... #copyright | Jun 22 22:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'm going to meet the Republican nominee for the Senate seat that Evan Bayh is leaving | Jun 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | on Friday | Jun 22 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | and I intend to give him a piece of my mind about this (politely) | Jun 22 22:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Counters Apple’s HTML5 Showcase With HTML5Rocks - http://tcrn.ch/asag05 nothing like a mature response #html5 #google #apple | Jun 22 22:34 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the copyright? | Jun 22 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jun 22 22:34 |
| schestowitz | What??? | Jun 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | You promote THEFT? | Jun 22 22:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] YouTube - iCult - Interesting video http://tinyurl.com/3xrucgs | Jun 22 22:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | no | Jun 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "But piracy is theft. Clean and simple. It's smash and grab. It ain't no different than smashing a window at Tiffany's and grabbing [merchandise]." -Biden | Jun 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | THIEF!! | Jun 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | thief. Get DaemonFC arrested for breaking and entering. | Jun 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | [or equiv.] | Jun 22 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | I intend to point out how easily software patents can trample the independent work of others | Jun 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Ahhh.. | Jun 22 22:36 |
| MinceR | time to copy some of that merchandise and offer it on an http server | Jun 22 22:36 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Jun 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Biden doesn't know what piracy is | Jun 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Piracy is what Israel did some weeks ago | Jun 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | It's not sharing of files | Jun 22 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | how software patents promote a culture of "ownership" over things that the "owners" didn't have a hand in creating | Jun 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | They assume copyright is right | Jun 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | and how they use the government to rough up independent software projects who "infringe" on vage and ludicrous patents | Jun 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | *vague | Jun 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | They are like people who insisted that slavery is a given | Jun 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Or that women exist to make babies and cook | Jun 22 22:37 |
| ender2070 | what? | Jun 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | I actually had an argument over this at the gym today | Jun 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I might pop that 16 GB MicroSD card in my camera | Jun 22 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | record his response | Jun 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | post it on Youtube | Jun 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 22 22:38 |
| ender2070 | how else am I going to eat? | Jun 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine agreed with the Saudi's policies on women and soccer | Jun 22 22:38 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 22:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Yes! #chipespiaopramimnão ♺ @31daSarrafada: "Já não há chips para ninguém" diz Arnaut na @SICNoticias. | Jun 22 22:38 | |
| ender2070 | do they exist to make cooked babies? | Jun 22 22:38 |
| ender2070 | in ancient greece, baby was a delicacy | Jun 22 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | " such as cooperating with foreign governments to go after foreign-based pirate sites." | Jun 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | translation: Hit them with sanctions until they give a fuck | Jun 22 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 22 22:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Condé Nast Revives Gourmet — As An App - http://bit.ly/9XipIw the future of publishing: zombie apps? #publishing | Jun 22 22:44 | |
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| schestowitz | http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/06/mandriva-saved-by-new-investor.html | Jun 22 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | \0/ | Jun 22 22:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva has just received investments to keep itself going! [my favourite distro] | Jun 22 22:52 | |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 22 22:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Advertises Patent Scare in #GNU #Linux , Using #Novell http://ur1.ca/0belv #fud #redhat #swpats | Jun 22 22:54 | |
| Techrights | Title: Microsoft Advertises Patent Scare in GNU/Linux, Using Novell | Techrights .::. Size~: 97.02 KB | Jun 22 22:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Not sure whether to sleep (eventually) or watch six episodes in a row of Happy Town... | Jun 22 22:55 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1687004/vlc-version-drops-support-spyware | Jun 22 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | spin? | Jun 22 22:57 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: good news, but France had its arse handed to it by South Africa today | Jun 22 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I watched it with friends and we all wanted France to lose | Jun 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Lots of high fives | Jun 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=france+south+africa&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Jun 22 22:59 |
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| ender2070 | huh? | Jun 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* One point | Jun 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | in 3 games | Jun 22 22:59 |
| ender2070 | why do I care? lol | Jun 22 22:59 |
| ender2070 | im not into soccer | Jun 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=3234 | Jun 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Summit is off | Jun 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Lots of RHT news | Jun 22 22:59 |
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| ender2070 | summit is off? | Jun 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.learningmarkets.com/News-Feed/2010062225053/red-hat-inc-reaches-52-week-high-rht-msft-bmc.html | Jun 22 23:02 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: off to a start | Jun 22 23:02 |
| schestowitz | or off the ground | Jun 22 23:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2010/06/22/red-hats-hires-novell-veteran-for-virtualization-push/ | Jun 22 23:02 |
| Techrights | Title: Red Hat Hires Novell Veteran for Virtualization Push | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 50.89 KB | Jun 22 23:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: lol redhat | Jun 22 23:03 |
| MinceR | redhat: lol diablo-d3 | Jun 22 23:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol mincer | Jun 22 23:04 |
| MinceR | lol diablo-d3 | Jun 22 23:05 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: ohttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/virnetx-victorious-in-patent-review-2010-06-22?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Jun 22 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: \o/ Diablo-D3 | Jun 22 23:07 |
| schestowitz | /o\ | Jun 22 23:07 |
| schestowitz | oh noes | Jun 22 23:07 |
| schestowitz | [man grabs head] | Jun 22 23:07 |
| MinceR | \o | Jun 22 23:08 |
| MinceR | gn | Jun 22 23:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another area of your life which Microsoft thinks it knows best and wants to get involved? http://tinyurl.com/37hl8p3 #microsoft #mvp #fail | Jun 22 23:12 | |
| Techrights | Title: Microsoft launches personal health record site | Security | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 39.45 KB | Jun 22 23:12 |
| cubezzz | cray is close to redmond | Jun 22 23:12 |
| cubezzz | they even use asp for their web page | Jun 22 23:13 |
| MinceR | they also help m$ market their crap for supercomputers | Jun 22 23:14 |
| MinceR | as if it could scale | Jun 22 23:14 |
| MinceR | perhaps cray is dying | Jun 22 23:14 |
| cubezzz | I thought supercomputer was mostly linux though | Jun 22 23:15 |
| schestowitz | not news | Jun 22 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Cray signed some deal 2 years aog | Jun 22 23:16 |
| MinceR | it is | Jun 22 23:16 |
| ender2070 | lol cray isnt dying | Jun 22 23:16 |
| cubezzz | there was this huge drop in Microsoft web servers in march 2009 | Jun 22 23:17 |
| cubezzz | not sure what happened there | Jun 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | What measure? | Jun 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Netcraft? | Jun 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Cause Microsoft games it | Jun 22 23:17 |
| cubezzz | march or april | Jun 22 23:17 |
| ender2070 | cray super computers? | Jun 22 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft even said it's in the gaming business | Jun 22 23:18 |
| ender2070 | they have a government niche | Jun 22 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Cray is one letter away from you know what... | Jun 22 23:18 |
| cubezzz | google is the fastest growing for server now | Jun 22 23:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | cray is one letter away from ibm | Jun 22 23:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohohohoho | Jun 22 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Google: a spy on every desk | Jun 22 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: a virus on every desk | Jun 22 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Apple: a bug on every desk | Jun 22 23:19 |
| ender2070 | Microsoft: a virus, a spy, and a backdoor on every desk | Jun 22 23:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | Diablo: totally fucking awesome he doesnt even need a desk | Jun 22 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Linux: why have one desk? We can share em? Let's replicate desks | Jun 22 23:19 |
| ender2070 | Apple: it's not a bug, it's really iCool | Jun 22 23:19 |
| cubezzz | cray uses a mix of windows server 2003 and fedora/linux | Jun 22 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | ender2070: hypeCool? | Jun 22 23:20 |
| cubezzz | I guess they're not 100% evil | Jun 22 23:20 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - not for the government end stuff | Jun 22 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Jobs introduced iJerk | Jun 22 23:20 |
| schestowitz | It's a substitute to his sex-free hypePad | Jun 22 23:20 |
| ender2070 | cray had 64-bit cpus back in the 70's | Jun 22 23:21 |
| cubezzz | yeah I know | Jun 22 23:21 |
| cubezzz | I was around then remember? :) | Jun 22 23:21 |
| ender2070 | and people are still fucking around with 32-bit | Jun 22 23:22 |
| cubezzz | I saw the first cray install at U of T | Jun 22 23:23 |
| cubezzz | I think it was the first, not 100% certain | Jun 22 23:23 |
| MinceR | if they insisted on winblows only on supercomputers, they'd be dead and buried already | Jun 22 23:24 |
| ender2070 | http://ca.sys-con.com/node/1186979 | Jun 22 23:24 |
| Techrights | Title: Cray XT5 Supercomputer at Oak Ridge National Laboratory Recognized as World's Fastest Supercomputer | SYS-CON CANADA .::. Size~: 63.67 KB | Jun 22 23:24 |
| ender2070 | the canadian government allegedly purchased some cray super computers for going through information they data mined | Jun 22 23:25 |
| cubezzz | they had cray blitz in 1983 | Jun 22 23:26 |
| cubezzz | for chess | Jun 22 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:22] <ender2070> and people are still fucking around with 32-bit > .EXE mentality | Jun 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I think Microsoft paid them for it | Jun 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Back in 2005 Microsoft gave an alpha version to our department | Jun 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | 'Free' | Jun 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | It was a DISASTER | Jun 22 23:27 |
| MinceR | that's what i was thinking too | Jun 22 23:27 |
| schestowitz | SO buggy | Jun 22 23:27 |
| MinceR | and trying to imply it | Jun 22 23:27 |
| cubezzz | 32-bit doesn't imply .exe | Jun 22 23:28 |
| ender2070 | "Back in the '90’s, Canada, in a little blurb in the Toronto Sun mentioned that Canada had ordered five super Cray computers. These are massive machines that are liquid cooled and create a tremendous electromagnetic activity around them. You can't wear metal or it will fly out your pocket and will fly across this machine. Five of these things – now one of them is enough to run the data pretty well of every person in | Jun 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | In a division meeting I made fun od it | Jun 22 23:28 |
| ender2070 | this continent and little Canada had ordered five of them and the governments wouldn't tell us what they were for." | Jun 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | *of it | Jun 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | [23:28] <cubezzz> 32-bit doesn't imply .exe | Jun 22 23:28 |
| schestowitz | It implies inflexibility | Jun 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | I can take a program and compile it for the repos | Jun 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | I can't take legacy programs and recompile them | Jun 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Given source, you can do with Debian does and make 18 repos for archs | Jun 22 23:29 |
| schestowitz | That's why Debian is so popular in embedded | Jun 22 23:30 |
| cubezzz | I think CDC 8600 was even 64 bit | Jun 22 23:30 |
| cubezzz | 32-bit could mean PDP-11 | Jun 22 23:30 |
| cubezzz | it could be tons of different things | Jun 22 23:31 |
| cubezzz | yeah source code is important | Jun 22 23:31 |
| cubezzz | ok, CBC 8600 isn't fuly 64-bit | Jun 22 23:33 |
| cubezzz | evidently the first true 64 bit computer was the CDC Star-100 | Jun 22 23:36 |
| cubezzz | there's also this monster from IBM: | Jun 22 23:37 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_7030_Stretch | Jun 22 23:37 |
| Techrights | Title: IBM 7030 Stretch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 41.96 KB | Jun 22 23:37 |
| ender2070 | yeah we should have 128-bit cpus by now | Jun 22 23:37 |
| cubezzz | you know the 7030 Stretch rules because the memory was immersion oil-heated/cooled to stabilize its operating characteristics | Jun 22 23:39 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Jun 22 23:39 |
| cubezzz | the console looks like a giant volt meter | Jun 22 23:40 |
| ender2070 | theres a quantum cpu | Jun 22 23:40 |
| cubezzz | are there 64 bit handhelds yet? | Jun 22 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Almost 140 comments @ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/17/zuckerberg_faces_criminal_investigation_in_pakistan/ | Jun 22 23:41 |
| Techrights | Title: Pakistani lawyer petitions for death of Mark Zuckerberg • The Register .::. Size~: 32.31 KB | Jun 22 23:41 |
| ender2070 | any atom handhelds? | Jun 22 23:41 |
| ender2070 | a quantum computer would make current encryption meaningless | Jun 22 23:43 |
| ender2070 | if they have a civilian one that can process a small amount of qubits, they have a military one that probably works as intended | Jun 22 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | jono's shirt http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/sciencemath/d4a0/ | Jun 22 23:46 |
| Techrights | Title: ThinkGeek :: Periodic BaCoN .::. Size~: 45.73 KB | Jun 22 23:46 |
| cubezzz | I don't think 32bit has been maxed out yet for handheld or mobile devices | Jun 22 23:48 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=pi+to+the+power+of+pi+squared | Jun 22 23:53 |
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| cubezzz | not sure what is the best handheld really | Jun 22 23:57 |
| ender2070 | best handheld? | Jun 22 23:57 |
| ender2070 | pandora is shipping btw | Jun 22 23:57 |
| ender2070 | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=22+divided+by+7 | Jun 22 23:58 |
| Techrights | Title: 22 divided by 7 - Wolfram|Alpha .::. Size~: 18.31 KB | Jun 22 23:58 |
| ender2070 | pretty cool | Jun 22 23:59 |
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