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schestowitzhttp://skunkpost.com/news.sp?newsId=2659Jun 25 00:03
TechrightsTitle: SkunkPost.com || Paterson wants more DNA in the database .::. Size~: 32.88 KBJun 25 00:03
schestowitzWho is this imbecile? ..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_PatersonJun 25 00:03
TechrightsTitle: David Paterson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 335.71 KBJun 25 00:03
schestowitzhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/7847882/Technology-firms-more-trusted-than-traditional-media.htmlJun 25 00:05
TechrightsTitle: Technology firms 'more trusted than traditional media' - Telegraph .::. Size~: 51.24 KBJun 25 00:05
schestowitzSays MurdochJun 25 00:05
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schestowitzBray become a Google PR puppy :-) http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/06/23/Derek-James-PolyclefJun 25 00:14
TechrightsTitle: ongoing by Tim Bray · Indie Android Interview .::. Size~: 12.88 KBJun 25 00:14
schestowitzHey, FurnaceBoyJun 25 00:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: ola!Jun 25 00:14
schestowitzI wrote about Canada in my latest postJun 25 00:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh, I meant to offer congratulations on your traffic achievement that you tweeted!Jun 25 00:14
schestowitzNeed more #harper #harper #harperJun 25 00:14
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: incredible figure, even if dodgy Alexa Jun 25 00:15
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Harper stinks. that's the long and short!Jun 25 00:15
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i had a little spat with @mjasayJun 25 00:15
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: that's what she saidJun 25 00:15
FurnaceBoy:)Jun 25 00:15
schestowitzWhat happened what Mac Asay?Jun 25 00:16
schestowitzJust so that you know:Jun 25 00:16
schestowitz1) he almost took a job at MicrosoftJun 25 00:16
schestowitz2)Jun 25 00:16
schestowitzHe brought Microsoft to OSI and OSBCJun 25 00:16
FurnaceBoyi know he's a deeply compromised individual Jun 25 00:16
FurnaceBoyi've read his stuffJun 25 00:16
schestowitz3) he worked for NovellJun 25 00:16
FurnaceBoyhe made a tweet that really stank recently.Jun 25 00:16
schestowitzBut he's quite a character, very cleverJun 25 00:16
FurnaceBoyyes.Jun 25 00:16
FurnaceBoyvery clever.Jun 25 00:16
FurnaceBoyone of those 'i'll play the center' types.Jun 25 00:17
schestowitzwhat did he write?Jun 25 00:17
schestowitzI don't follow himJun 25 00:17
FurnaceBoylet me find it...Jun 25 00:17
schestowitzHe hardly blogs anymore, either (I've read him since 2005)Jun 25 00:17
FurnaceBoyi don't follow him either.Jun 25 00:18
FurnaceBoyhe was RT'd by @webminkJun 25 00:18
schestowitzwebmink wrote about fake sourceJun 25 00:18
schestowitzaka open coreJun 25 00:18
schestowitzSimon goes against it nowJun 25 00:19
schestowitzHe's at OSI, Asay is outJun 25 00:19
schestowitzMac Asay promoted 'open' core for a whileJun 25 00:19
FurnaceBoyoh wait a minuteJun 25 00:19
FurnaceBoyi got this wrong. webmink made the tweet.Jun 25 00:19
FurnaceBoyi must have been blinded by red mist !Jun 25 00:19
FurnaceBoy:)Jun 25 00:19
schestowitzSimon wrote about it today cause of Mickos and EucalyptusJun 25 00:19
schestowitzSo mjasay probably opposedJun 25 00:19
schestowitzI reckon webmink told odd the faker-sourcersJun 25 00:20
schestowitzAnd Mac Asay then rebutted with somethingJun 25 00:20
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/webmink/status/16786253334Jun 25 00:21
TechrightsTitle: Twitter / Simon Phipps: @mjasay Using competitive  ... .::. Size~: 11.42 KBJun 25 00:21
schestowitzMac Asay was among the early boosters of 'open' coreJun 25 00:21
FurnaceBoypractically a troll.Jun 25 00:21
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FurnaceBoyso rnb finally stopped lurking?Jun 25 00:21
FurnaceBoydid he ever show up?Jun 25 00:22
schestowitzHmmm..Jun 25 00:22
schestowitzWeird for Simon to say itJun 25 00:22
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: for a while he didJun 25 00:22
schestowitzWe have 3 channels nowJun 25 00:22
FurnaceBoyhm.Jun 25 00:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that tweet really rubbed me up the wrong way. maybe i'm just allergic to corporate-speakJun 25 00:23
DaemonFCIE 9 preview 3 gets 83/100 on ACID 3Jun 25 00:24
DaemonFChehJun 25 00:24
FurnaceBoylolJun 25 00:25
FurnaceBoyKeystone KopsJun 25 00:25
*DaemonFC wonders if he could rig Maxthon up to use the IE 9 preview engineJun 25 00:26
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schestowitz"Using competitive products is a key success behavior IMO. A major weakness of the pure-FOSS mindset is its abhorrence of doing so."Jun 25 00:28
schestowitz"Using competitive products" = using better productsJun 25 00:28
FurnaceBoyit's all kind of troll.Jun 25 00:28
schestowitz"key success behavior" = where success = profitJun 25 00:28
FurnaceBoy"pure FOSS mindset" ... he's wilfully ignoring principleJun 25 00:28
FurnaceBoyyes.Jun 25 00:28
FurnaceBoyexactly.Jun 25 00:28
schestowitz"IMO" = don't quote me on itJun 25 00:28
FurnaceBoyit's a euphemism for "ends justify the means"Jun 25 00:29
schestowitz"A major weakness" = what makes one a loserJun 25 00:29
FurnaceBoyyes!Jun 25 00:29
schestowitz"pure-FOSS" = purist, think AmishJun 25 00:29
FurnaceBoyit's a troll wrapped in a puzzle wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a layer of pooJun 25 00:29
FurnaceBoyyes!!Jun 25 00:29
FurnaceBoyexactly!Jun 25 00:29
schestowitz"abhorrence of doing so." = "irational hatredJun 25 00:29
schestowitz'*irratJun 25 00:29
FurnaceBoypurist; impractical; idealist; dreamer; RMS; hippie; bad hygiene; no girlfriendsJun 25 00:29
FurnaceBoyright!Jun 25 00:29
DaemonFCheh, IE 9 is now three browsers in one, yayJun 25 00:30
FurnaceBoyso a beautifully crafted little thorny troll. really hit its mark.Jun 25 00:30
DaemonFCit has to have a compatibility engine for IE 7 and 8 as wellJun 25 00:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: a Claymore tweetJun 25 00:30
schestowitzYou are such a puristJun 25 00:30
schestowitzGo wash your hands in mud now :-)Jun 25 00:30
FurnaceBoyapparently!Jun 25 00:30
FurnaceBoyyes, i should go cavort with the little piggiesJun 25 00:31
schestowitzbetter yet, go to Louisana to wash your handsJun 25 00:31
FurnaceBoyMatt, Simon, MiguelJun 25 00:31
DaemonFCso Microsoft gets to drone on about standards support and performanceJun 25 00:31
DaemonFCand all the broken site owners will do is invoke IE 8 or IE 7 modeJun 25 00:31
DaemonFCand there goes bothJun 25 00:31
DaemonFCB-)Jun 25 00:31
schestowitzbased on the latest reports, they'll soon bathe in and drink disprersing matrialsJun 25 00:32
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's raining them.Jun 25 00:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: probably a good chance it'll come this farJun 25 00:32
schestowitzIs it verified?Jun 25 00:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: Why is it so vital that IE 9 mimic three generations of bad IE behavior?Jun 25 00:32
schestowitzI hear it's in TexasJun 25 00:32
schestowitzA friend told me yesterday in the gymJun 25 00:32
DaemonFCWhy can't Microsoft just include a quirks mode for all the common crap like other browsers?Jun 25 00:32
schestowitzHe posted some links here earlierJun 25 00:32
DaemonFCWhy can't they say "Fix your damned site if it still won't load"?Jun 25 00:33
DaemonFC:PJun 25 00:33
schestowitzAt first I thought it was the loonies' theoryJun 25 00:33
schestowitzBut then I saw the news reportsJun 25 00:33
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Problem is that people are still using 10 year old web page building software that MS releasedJun 25 00:34
DaemonFCand they generate fresh pages that onlu IE 6 can render properly :PJun 25 00:34
DaemonFCour library is doing thatJun 25 00:34
schestowitzIt's not yoursJun 25 00:34
schestowitzIt's Bill'sJun 25 00:34
DaemonFCschestowitz: Frontpage 98Jun 25 00:35
schestowitzKneel for BillJun 25 00:35
DaemonFCweeeeJun 25 00:35
schestowitzhttp://act.credoaction.com/campaign/bp_endangered_turtles/Jun 25 00:35
TechrightsTitle: BP is burning endangered sea turtles alive. .::. Size~: 17.32 KBJun 25 00:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I saw the first video from LouisianaJun 25 00:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i suppose some ppl assert it was fakedJun 25 00:36
schestowitzhttp://bigthink.com/ideas/20636Jun 25 00:36
TechrightsTitle: BP May Be Burning Sea Turtles Alive | Politeia | Big Think .::. Size~: 17.8 KBJun 25 00:36
schestowitzDinner4TonyJun 25 00:36
FurnaceBoydid u see the "Blair for BP Chairman" meme?Jun 25 00:36
schestowitzYeah, it's in techrights alreadyJun 25 00:36
FurnaceBoyit's a natural mash-up; too cute.Jun 25 00:36
FurnaceBoyokJun 25 00:36
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: two poodlesJun 25 00:36
FurnaceBoypoodles flock together.Jun 25 00:36
schestowitzbarking madJun 25 00:37
FurnaceBoylolJun 25 00:37
FurnaceBoyquite soJun 25 00:37
DaemonFCschestowitz: Notice News Corp/Fox slandering WikipediaJun 25 00:37
FurnaceBoyand they sh*t wherever they like.Jun 25 00:37
DaemonFCwith their "single unnamed source"?Jun 25 00:37
schestowitzI knew God was real... http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/16/touchdown-jesus-statue-burns-downJun 25 00:37
TechrightsTitle:  Lightning strike destroys Touchdown Jesus statue | World news | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 64.45 KBJun 25 00:37
schestowitzIt's just sacrificial, I'm sureJun 25 00:37
schestowitzDaemonFC: they have done this for a while nowJun 25 00:38
DaemonFC"No, don't trust Wikimedia, they had porn on their server"Jun 25 00:38
schestowitzThey turned nasty, associating senior Wikipedians with child pr0nJun 25 00:38
DaemonFC"That's not Godly"Jun 25 00:38
DaemonFC:PJun 25 00:38
schestowitzMurdoch should be arrestedJun 25 00:38
schestowitzThey can make him a cushy cell like Bernie'sJun 25 00:38
FurnaceBoy+1Jun 25 00:38
FurnaceBoya small cold cell, better than he or Blair deservesJun 25 00:38
FurnaceBoybest : the garbage compactor.Jun 25 00:39
schestowitzNot BalorJun 25 00:39
schestowitzThere's room in GitmoJun 25 00:39
DaemonFCschestowitz: How long do you think a cheap-o UPS would run jsut a DSL/router gateway?Jun 25 00:39
schestowitzWhat for?Jun 25 00:39
schestowitzThe outrage won't recurJun 25 00:40
DaemonFCI'm planning that it willJun 25 00:40
schestowitzIt's one of those things you buy AFTER the disaster that won't hit againJun 25 00:40
schestowitzYour country falls apartJun 25 00:40
schestowitzCan't pay tree cutters!Jun 25 00:40
DaemonFCI'd like to get 2 hours of power for the modem/router cause my laptop is good for about that long on the batteryJun 25 00:40
schestowitzSo many unemployed collecting cans but can't pay tree cuttersJun 25 00:40
DaemonFCit's not the countryJun 25 00:40
DaemonFCit's UpdikeJun 25 00:40
schestowitzSo a whole day's work goes down the drain for everyoneJun 25 00:40
schestowitzAnd fringe content tooJun 25 00:40
DaemonFChe REFUSED the funding and WON'T make the utilities do itJun 25 00:41
DaemonFChe needs to be impeachedJun 25 00:41
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLYRuQOKab8Jun 25 00:41
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- On the Ground Report: Recycling for a Living, Door to Door Sales, Fight at the Grocery Store .::. Size~: 109.07 KBJun 25 00:41
schestowitzWelcome to California 2.0Jun 25 00:41
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: correct. the outrage won't recur. the accountability moments have been missed. for Hayward, too. Jun 25 00:41
schestowitzDaemonFC: maybe he'll fire the farmers nextJun 25 00:41
DaemonFCOK, OK, I digress.. We live in a town where people don't even realize the concept of cause-and-effect.Jun 25 00:41
schestowitzFire you, Ryan farmerJun 25 00:41
DaemonFCCase in point was last night's nine hour blackout because the city didn't make Duke Energy get out there and trim trees.Jun 25 00:41
DaemonFCWhy can't we tell them to get their asses out there and trim the damned trees? Eminent Domain. It's in the constitution. The local government is seizing those tree parts, we'll pay you $1 in restitution.Jun 25 00:41
DaemonFCB-)Jun 25 00:41
DaemonFCPosted by: Ryan | June 24, 2010 at 06:20 PMJun 25 00:41
DaemonFCheheJun 25 00:41
schestowitzWho needs em?Jun 25 00:41
schestowitzThey just make foodJun 25 00:42
schestowitzThey don't pass paper and have 6-figure paychecksJun 25 00:42
schestowitzFire the farmersJun 25 00:42
schestowitzSet the field on fireJun 25 00:42
schestowitzSavings for Updike, higher wage :-)Jun 25 00:42
DaemonFCschestowitz: It's my last nameJun 25 00:42
schestowitzWho needs food anywayJun 25 00:42
DaemonFCI can't even make a tomato plant growJun 25 00:42
DaemonFC:(Jun 25 00:42
schestowitzWho need to take after nature and trees and stuff?Jun 25 00:42
schestowitzDaemonFC: cause you don't do it professionallyJun 25 00:43
schestowitzNo equipment, pesticides, perfect timings, cross pollination, etc.Jun 25 00:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: many of those Mexicans you love to hate make you foodJun 25 00:44
schestowitzThink about itJun 25 00:44
schestowitzSo that you and your family can forget where that food comes formJun 25 00:44
schestowitz*fromJun 25 00:44
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/22/tibetan-environmentalist-accuses-china-tortureJun 25 00:45
TechrightsTitle:  Tibetan environmentalist says Chinese jailers tortured him | Environment | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 77.62 KBJun 25 00:45
schestowitzRMS: "A collossal statue of Jesus in Ohio was hit by lightening and totally destroyed.  The builders must have thought that a lightening rod was unnecessary since they counted on divine favor. Perhaps they made Zeus or Thor jealous."Jun 25 00:45
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2010/jun/22/action-research-pollinatorsJun 25 00:46
TechrightsTitle:  Action - not research - is needed to save our pollinators | Alison Benjamin | Environment | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 192.01 KBJun 25 00:46
schestowitzNature--who needs it anyway? Meh. j/kJun 25 00:46
schestowitzNature is not profitableJun 25 00:46
schestowitzSpace exploration -- where are the PATENTS?Jun 25 00:47
DaemonFCschestowitz: The Constitution doesn't protect US citizens anymoreJun 25 00:47
schestowitzhttp://www.politico.com/news/stories/0610/38499.htmlJun 25 00:47
TechrightsTitle: Rawl to protest Greene victory - David Catanese - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 81.83 KBJun 25 00:47
DaemonFCI'll be damned if I care about the illegal Mexican's supposed 14th amendment rightsJun 25 00:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: Palin says the constution is about religionJun 25 00:48
schestowitzThe very opposite of what it's aboutJun 25 00:48
DaemonFClock them in a damned trailer and let them roast, beat them, sell them as slavesJun 25 00:48
DaemonFCit's what they get for leaving MexicoJun 25 00:48
DaemonFCthey could have had it better thereJun 25 00:48
DaemonFCtheir faultJun 25 00:48
FurnaceBoy...Jun 25 00:49
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: ignore our insane neighbourJun 25 00:50
schestowitzHe has a tantrum issue and not enough pills leftJun 25 00:50
DaemonFCIf the Bill of Rights isn't protecting me, why should it protect our illegal invaders from the south?Jun 25 00:50
schestowitzHis shrink rips him offJun 25 00:50
schestowitzShe wants to send him to expensive 'experts'Jun 25 00:51
schestowitz[expert=man with sofa]Jun 25 00:51
DaemonFCno, that's the MDJun 25 00:51
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: there's a whole blogpost in dissecting that @webmink tweet.Jun 25 00:51
DaemonFCshe wants to send me to an even more incredibly outrageously overpriced psychiatristJun 25 00:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: Yeah, I realissed after I had written thatJun 25 00:51
FurnaceBoyunwrapping the turd withinJun 25 00:51
DaemonFCeveryone wants a piece of me apparentlyJun 25 00:51
DaemonFCno lubeJun 25 00:51
DaemonFCwho knew?Jun 25 00:51
DaemonFCdamn them all straight to hellJun 25 00:51
DaemonFC:PJun 25 00:52
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: but Simon is usually OKJun 25 00:52
schestowitzHe's not the Asay typeJun 25 00:52
schestowitzHis tweet seemed like it was from Mac AsayJun 25 00:52
DaemonFCI can't pay my bill? Repossess my brain. Repossess it, it's totally unusable in the current state it's in anyway. Jun 25 00:52
DaemonFC-me to the bill collectorsJun 25 00:52
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're part MexicanJun 25 00:53
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you and I understand the kind of mind that can write that little pretzelJun 25 00:53
DaemonFCschestowitz: well, everyone born here is a US citizenJun 25 00:53
DaemonFCeven if they're born to illegal immigrantsJun 25 00:53
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you're a writer, i was a copywriter among other thingsJun 25 00:53
DaemonFCanchor babiesJun 25 00:53
DaemonFCthey come here already pregnant just to give birthJun 25 00:53
DaemonFCso the government has to let them stayJun 25 00:53
DaemonFCit's patheticJun 25 00:54
DaemonFCbeyond patheticJun 25 00:54
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: copyrights? :-)Jun 25 00:54
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: copyrighterJun 25 00:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: can you imagine crossing the desert pregnant? taking that risk? these are braver people than you areJun 25 00:54
DaemonFCis Mexico really so bad that a 8 month pregnant woman is going to walk through the Sonoran desert?Jun 25 00:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: or any of your redneck buddies.Jun 25 00:54
DaemonFCit's not that badJun 25 00:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: what the frack would you know? get yourself reborn a Mexican then tell us.Jun 25 00:54
DaemonFCthey're an exotic invaderJun 25 00:55
DaemonFCif I had to compare them to anythingJun 25 00:55
FurnaceBoyyou watch far too much FOXJun 25 00:55
DaemonFCMexicans are the Asian Carp/Kudzu VineJun 25 00:55
DaemonFCin human formJun 25 00:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I'll grab my wingnuttery from twitter.. l8r!Jun 25 00:55
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DaemonFCmonitor lizards evenJun 25 00:56
DaemonFCreptiliansJun 25 00:56
schestowitzHmmm. http://www.propeller.com/story/2010/06/23/invasion-mexican-drug-cartels-are-openly-conducting-military-operations-inside-the-united-states/Jun 25 00:56
TechrightsTitle: Invasion! Mexican Drug Cartels Are Openly Conducting Military Operations Inside The United States » Propeller .::. Size~: 57.31 KBJun 25 00:56
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monitor_lizardJun 25 00:56
TechrightsTitle: Monitor lizard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 83.57 KBJun 25 00:56
schestowitzBTW, some US citizens help Mexicans who are dying in the desert crossingJun 25 00:56
schestowitzThe US criminalises them for saving livesJun 25 00:56
DaemonFCYou have environmentalists argue that monitor lizards are more important than humansJun 25 00:56
schestowitzI can't find that old domain about this iniaativeJun 25 00:57
DaemonFCeven as the lizards eat everything and have no natural predators hereJun 25 00:57
schestowitzThey don't see people across this thing we call "border" as enemiesJun 25 00:57
DaemonFCwiping out entire species as they go alongJun 25 00:57
schestowitzI guess it makes them the "bad people"Jun 25 00:57
schestowitzHater is law abidingJun 25 00:57
schestowitzUbuntu is outlawJun 25 00:57
DaemonFCschestowitz: I say the Minutemen should camp out on the US side and shoot them while they're still on the Mexican sideJun 25 00:57
DaemonFCB-)Jun 25 00:57
DaemonFCbut then you'd have liberals in a twistJun 25 00:58
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schestowitz[00:56] <DaemonFC> You have environmentalists argue that monitor lizards are more important than humansJun 25 00:58
schestowitzThey areJun 25 00:58
schestowitzThey are more scarceJun 25 00:58
schestowitzThus their value is higherJun 25 00:58
schestowitzNon-Western humans ara a dime a dozenJun 25 00:58
schestowitzYou hear about small earthquakes in CanadaJun 25 00:58
DaemonFCmonitor lizards are wiping out entire speciesJun 25 00:58
schestowitzNot about big ones in ChinaJun 25 00:59
DaemonFCfrom the planetJun 25 00:59
DaemonFCthey even eat housecatsJun 25 00:59
schestowitzDarfur has many killedJun 25 00:59
schestowitzSome in war, some of diseasesJun 25 00:59
DaemonFCthere was a woman in Florida that had a monitor lizard eat her catJun 25 00:59
schestowitzBut the people with solutions don't care about "brown people" (Carlin's phrase)Jun 25 00:59
DaemonFCso she chopped the lizard's head offJun 25 00:59
DaemonFCgood for herJun 25 00:59
DaemonFCschestowitz: It's illegal to kill copperhead snakes tooJun 25 01:00
DaemonFCI've killed themJun 25 01:00
DaemonFCI killed one out on my uncle's deck when I was down in GeorgiaJun 25 01:00
DaemonFCgrabbed an axe and chopped the damned thing in halfJun 25 01:01
schestowitzHumans could choose one continent for humansJun 25 01:01
schestowitzLike Australia maybeJun 25 01:01
schestowitzThen call it humanlandJun 25 01:01
DaemonFC6 billion peopleJun 25 01:01
DaemonFCin Australia?Jun 25 01:01
schestowitzAnd divide the resources with nature continentsJun 25 01:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: noJun 25 01:01
schestowitzreduce reproduction over timeJun 25 01:01
DaemonFCso kill anyone that doesn't fit thereJun 25 01:02
DaemonFCI get it nowJun 25 01:02
schestowitzBut I said "could/should have'Jun 25 01:02
schestowitzIt would be better to do it 2000 years agoJun 25 01:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: not killJun 25 01:02
DaemonFCwhen Jesus was here?Jun 25 01:02
DaemonFC:DJun 25 01:02
schestowitzYou can reduce populations by limiting birthsJun 25 01:02
DaemonFCJesus says "That part about multiplying, I didn't mean use fertility drugs to have 16 welfare kids"Jun 25 01:03
schestowitzThat's not inhumane if you try to save the planet for many generations to comeJun 25 01:03
DaemonFC"You guys took that one a bit far"Jun 25 01:03
DaemonFC"My bad"Jun 25 01:03
schestowitzWe're still growing at Petri-dish ratesJun 25 01:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: religions don't fit hereJun 25 01:03
schestowitzReligions make money from their sizeJun 25 01:03
schestowitzSo they spread the dogma by encouraging more offspringsJun 25 01:04
schestowitzReligions that don't do this die outJun 25 01:04
DaemonFCschestowitz: the woman that hired the fertility doc to get her pregnant with 16 kids so she could put them all on the welfare systemJun 25 01:04
DaemonFCyou would call them Chavs I guessJun 25 01:04
DaemonFCwe call them white trash, or possibly trailer trash, or just trashJun 25 01:04
DaemonFChuman trashJun 25 01:04
DaemonFCwelfare trashJun 25 01:04
DaemonFCthe third of the month crowdJun 25 01:05
DaemonFCetc.Jun 25 01:05
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/cifamerica/2010/jun/15/obama-time-afghanistan-mcchrystalJun 25 01:05
TechrightsTitle:  Will Obama's Afghan surge run into the sand? | Simon Tisdall | Comment is free | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 196.24 KBJun 25 01:05
schestowitzBama: war president, peace Nobel price winnerJun 25 01:05
DaemonFCschestowitz:  Give me an honest answer here.Jun 25 01:06
schestowitzThe best of both worlds, I luv him!!Jun 25 01:06
DaemonFCDo you think the state, throw "welfare", should pay women what amounts to a commission, to have babies?Jun 25 01:06
DaemonFCor is that pretty close to what the Nazis would do?Jun 25 01:06
schestowitzHe's against wall street, funded by wall street, pro wall streetJun 25 01:06
DaemonFC"Give the Germans a loan, and having kids paid it off"Jun 25 01:06
schestowitzit's Bama.... write what you want on itJun 25 01:06
DaemonFCsame thing reallyJun 25 01:06
schestowitzHe's YOUR president <type your preference here>Jun 25 01:06
schestowitzmy.obama.com/blahJun 25 01:07
DaemonFCschestowitz: Do you think people who can't afford kids should have the government pay them a commission to reproduce?Jun 25 01:07
DaemonFC(welfare)Jun 25 01:07
DaemonFCyes or no?Jun 25 01:07
schestowitzWhere?Jun 25 01:07
schestowitzUS?Jun 25 01:07
DaemonFCanywhereJun 25 01:08
DaemonFCthe principle of the thingJun 25 01:08
schestowitzA friend of mine says expansion of population relates to debtJun 25 01:08
DaemonFCgovernment-sponsored drains on societal resourcesJun 25 01:08
schestowitzBasically, for the current generation to pay back the debt they need more people in the next generation to payJun 25 01:08
DaemonFCpaying women to lay on their backJun 25 01:08
DaemonFCpop out another unit every 9 monthsJun 25 01:08
schestowitzSo once you halve the population there's no means of paying backJun 25 01:08
schestowitzIt's like running against a clock or getting more and more credit cardsJun 25 01:09
DaemonFCno, that's not what I askedJun 25 01:09
schestowitzUntil it all collpasesJun 25 01:09
schestowitzLike a Madoff SchemeJun 25 01:09
DaemonFCDo you think the government should pay someone cash money every month jsut because they reproduced?Jun 25 01:09
schestowitz[01:08] <DaemonFC> pop out another unit every 9 monthsJun 25 01:09
schestowitzWowJun 25 01:09
schestowitzYou really capture the beauty of lifeJun 25 01:09
DaemonFCsqueezing out another unitJun 25 01:10
DaemonFCanother victim for the meat grinder of lifeJun 25 01:10
schestowitzWho squeals?Jun 25 01:10
DaemonFCthere's no future for that kidJun 25 01:10
schestowitzThe baby or the mother?Jun 25 01:10
DaemonFCit exists to get he fat lazy preggo mother paidJun 25 01:10
schestowitzAfter a while it's like a queen termiteJun 25 01:10
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DaemonFCwhen it's 18, it's not worth anything anymoreJun 25 01:10
schestowitzIt's no longer burdensomeJun 25 01:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Quick note that we have a Severed Fifth IRC channel at #severedfifth on Freenode or via the web at http://soc.li/0kNAXahJun 25 01:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Using the new Unity in Maverick and digging it. :-)Jun 25 01:10
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schestowitz[01:10] <DaemonFC> when it's 18, it's not worth anything anymoreJun 25 01:10
schestowitzNot trueJun 25 01:10
schestowitzThe US needs cannon fodderJun 25 01:11
DaemonFC"Get out of the trailer, Cleetus Jr., go join the army or go to prison or something!Jun 25 01:11
schestowitzLost kids who do drugs and turn violent is a perfect recruitment poolJun 25 01:11
DaemonFC"Send me checks each month if you can!"Jun 25 01:11
schestowitzAngry rebellious kids are easier to train to killJun 25 01:11
schestowitzThe US has many carriers and bases around the worldJun 25 01:11
schestowitzIt needs some hotheadsJun 25 01:11
DaemonFCschestowitz: I did manage to use all the hot water that was in the water heater this morningJun 25 01:13
DaemonFCwhile the power was outJun 25 01:13
DaemonFCthen I got to hear that idiot woman downstairs shoutJun 25 01:13
DaemonFC"Who used all the fuckin' hot water god dammit! I have to be at work in an hour!"Jun 25 01:14
DaemonFCI hate peopleJun 25 01:14
schestowitzHere's an example I sawhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1izVMXMNSE&feature=channel earlier: Jun 25 01:14
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1izVMXMNSE&feature=channelJun 25 01:14
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schestowitzBasically he's lost, so he's pressured to join the militaryJun 25 01:14
DaemonFCI didn't even use all of it to shower, I did my dishes and then just let it run for a few minutes til it was outJun 25 01:14
DaemonFCyeah, schestowitz she's classJun 25 01:16
DaemonFCher whole family is classJun 25 01:16
DaemonFCfirst classJun 25 01:16
schestowitzhttp://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=elected_official_lookupJun 25 01:16
TechrightsTitle: People For the American Way: Look up your elected officials .::. Size~: 18.73 KBJun 25 01:16
schestowitzSign itJun 25 01:16
DaemonFCshould have at least sprang for a pack of Class ActJun 25 01:17
DaemonFCschestowitz: You know what's great about straight men?Jun 25 01:17
DaemonFCDNA testingJun 25 01:17
DaemonFCseems like none of them are aware it exists until they are in jail for not paying child supportJun 25 01:18
schestowitzMaybe in your countryJun 25 01:18
DaemonFCor in prison because they left behind evidence that they were engaging in unlawful behavior with a minorJun 25 01:18
DaemonFC(guy downstairs)Jun 25 01:18
schestowitzhttp://consumerist.com/2010/06/privacy-change-apple-knows-your-phone-is-and-is-telling-people.htmlJun 25 01:19
TechrightsTitle: Privacy Change: Apple Knows Where Your Phone Is And Is Telling People - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 56.02 KBJun 25 01:19
DaemonFCyeah, the baby in his case was a signed confession of a felony and a child support anchor attached to him for the other 16 years after his 2 years in prisonJun 25 01:19
DaemonFCsmart, real smartJun 25 01:19
DaemonFCso now he just sells drugs for a livingJun 25 01:20
DaemonFCreports himself as unemployedJun 25 01:20
DaemonFCdoesn't even pay the child supportJun 25 01:20
DaemonFCanotehr unwanted baby on welfareJun 25 01:20
DaemonFCdestroyed two lives already and became a drain on society before it could even walkJun 25 01:20
DaemonFCthat's impressiveJun 25 01:21
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jun/22/human-rights-truth-rendition-exceptionJun 25 01:22
TechrightsTitle:  The truth will out – except, perhaps, in the US | Law | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 86.12 KBJun 25 01:22
DaemonFCschestowitz: I try not to make an issue of myself when I commit a crimeJun 25 01:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: you still paint?Jun 25 01:22
DaemonFCsome people don't even know any better than avoid itJun 25 01:22
schestowitzCause you seem bitterJun 25 01:22
schestowitzNeed anger managementJun 25 01:22
schestowitzYou blame all sorts of groups depending on moodJun 25 01:23
DaemonFCschestowitz: I took an anger management courseJun 25 01:23
DaemonFCfor 6 monthsJun 25 01:23
DaemonFCnot voluntarilyJun 25 01:23
schestowitzYou bring your trash to this channelJun 25 01:23
DaemonFCbullshitted my way through itJun 25 01:23
schestowitzSome people find it unpleasantJun 25 01:23
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DaemonFC"Yes, I love everyone now, I'll go take a walk the next time I feel like breaking someone's nose"Jun 25 01:24
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wVhgeiqJicJun 25 01:24
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Quick Retail Report: Businesses Dying a Slow Death .::. Size~: 110.05 KBJun 25 01:24
DaemonFCnext time I'm going to dump them out in a field, nakedJun 25 01:24
DaemonFCat least make the punishment worth itJun 25 01:24
DaemonFC:PJun 25 01:24
schestowitz[01:24] <DaemonFC> next time I'm going to dump them out in a field, nakedJun 25 01:25
schestowitzBut that's what some racists did to a gay manJun 25 01:25
Awhat is meaning open source OSJun 25 01:25
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schestowitzAn operating system with free code?Jun 25 01:25
schestowitzWeird... was the name "A" not taken??Jun 25 01:25
DaemonFCShared SourceJun 25 01:26
DaemonFC:PJun 25 01:26
schestowitzShred sourceJun 25 01:26
DaemonFCthat's open-ishJun 25 01:26
DaemonFCgood enough for Wikipedia to make it a new category of softwareJun 25 01:26
DaemonFCjust for MS productsJun 25 01:26
DaemonFCyou can steal it in one of those pirate countriesJun 25 01:27
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jun/21/nonviolent-aid-banned-groups-terrorismJun 25 01:27
DaemonFCput their code into LinuxJun 25 01:27
TechrightsTitle:  US supreme court: Nonviolent aid to banned groups tantamount to 'terrorism' | Law | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 75.54 KBJun 25 01:27
DaemonFCmillions of lines evenJun 25 01:27
schestowitzDiet nannies: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/22/convenience-food-changes-saves-livesJun 25 01:28
TechrightsTitle:  Convenience food changes could save 'thousands of lives' | UK news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 205.92 KBJun 25 01:28
DaemonFCschestowitz: Sounds like New YorkJun 25 01:28
DaemonFCTaxes Save LivesJun 25 01:29
DaemonFCthat's why they have seat belt lawsJun 25 01:29
DaemonFCclick it or pay usJun 25 01:29
DaemonFCnanny state crapJun 25 01:29
DaemonFCyou're not your own person, you belong to the stateJun 25 01:30
DaemonFCtheir propertyJun 25 01:30
DaemonFCthey'll control whether you wear a seat beltJun 25 01:30
DaemonFCjust like they control everything you can put in your bodyJun 25 01:30
schestowitz"If we want the US to be safe from retaliation of various kinds, we should stop the US from fighting unjust wars." http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-mar-jun.html#24%20June%202010%20%28Faisal%20Shahzad%20pleads%20guilty%29Jun 25 01:31
DaemonFCit's not retaliationJun 25 01:32
DaemonFCit's attackJun 25 01:32
DaemonFCIslam is a violent religion that refuses to co-exist with anything elseJun 25 01:32
DaemonFCnot atypical, but worse than mostJun 25 01:32
schestowitzFoxJun 25 01:34
DaemonFCthe most "peaceful religions" on Earth claim tens of thousands of lives every yearJun 25 01:34
schestowitzThey could be left aloneJun 25 01:34
DaemonFCIslam is worse than mostJun 25 01:34
schestowitzArabs were not attacking the US domestically in the 90s, 80s...Jun 25 01:34
DaemonFChow many holy murders has Christianity or Judaism committed?Jun 25 01:34
DaemonFCa lotJun 25 01:34
DaemonFCbut probably not a tenth of Islam's kill totalJun 25 01:34
schestowitzDaemonFC: Crusades?Jun 25 01:34
schestowitzAnd the Nazis tooJun 25 01:34
DaemonFCthousands of years agoJun 25 01:34
schestowitzMaybe not StalinJun 25 01:34
DaemonFCwhatever]Jun 25 01:34
schestowitzHe was a sick idealistJun 25 01:34
DaemonFCwho is your favorite turd now?Jun 25 01:34
DaemonFCMuslims?Jun 25 01:34
schestowitzNoneJun 25 01:34
schestowitzI don't care about brandsJun 25 01:34
DaemonFCI wouldn't shit you, you're my favorite turdJun 25 01:35
schestowitzDogma based on devine deities is the problemJun 25 01:35
schestowitzLike proprietary sofwtare isJun 25 01:35
schestowitzNot Apple or MicrosoftrJun 25 01:35
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[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:35:33] <DaemonFC>schestowitz: Douche vs. Turd
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:35:36] <schestowitz>China is not the problem
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:35:37] <DaemonFC>great South park episode
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:35:43] <DaemonFC>highlights many false choices
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:35:43] <schestowitz>The people who run China are the problem
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:35:47] <DaemonFC>where none are the right option
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:36:07] <schestowitz>DaemonFC: I'm sure you like it
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:36:13] <schestowitz>Cause you're so full of s*
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:36:15] <DaemonFC>Christians vs. Islam is douche vs. turd
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:36:51] <DaemonFC>it's a douche vs. turd choice
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:36:55] <DaemonFC>and I'm not having either
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:37:05] <DaemonFC>I don't care who is the "least bad" really
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:37:26] <DaemonFC>I'm sure that there is a worse option between them, but that doesn't make the other one the good guys
[Friday 25 Jun 2010] [01:38:13] <DaemonFC>"Vote for us, we only kill a tenth as many people, and most of them aren't even in this country" -Christians
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Há cada bacoquice...Jun 25 01:43
*DaemonFC prays for White God to send a giant Monitor Lizard swarm to eat the Middle EastJun 25 01:43
DaemonFCthat was we can stop hearing about themJun 25 01:44
DaemonFC:DJun 25 01:44
DaemonFC"I had a Middle East, but the Monitor Lizards ated it." -White GodJun 25 01:44
schestowitzThe US always finds new "them"Jun 25 01:44
schestowitzBe is the Soviets or China or N.KoreaJun 25 01:44
schestowitzIt drives the military budgetsJun 25 01:44
DaemonFCmonitor lizardsJun 25 01:44
schestowitzExplode bomb, make new oneJun 25 01:45
schestowitzMake up risks, get budget for more subs, planes, carriers, etc.Jun 25 01:45
DaemonFCno, just sneak in all the worst invader species into their countryJun 25 01:45
DaemonFCwreck their ecosystemJun 25 01:45
DaemonFCmake it so nothing wants to growJun 25 01:45
DaemonFClike the Chinese do to usJun 25 01:45
schestowitzStrangulation like Cuba's?Jun 25 01:45
schestowitzThat just breed more resentmentJun 25 01:46
DaemonFCno, the beauty of this is it requires no chemicalsJun 25 01:46
schestowitzIsrael found out the hard wayJun 25 01:46
DaemonFCand leaves behind nodefinitive proofJun 25 01:46
schestowitzhttp://www.pcr-online.biz/news/33712/Apple-to-be-probed-over-alleged-patent-infringementJun 25 01:47
TechrightsTitle: US begins Apple probe | PC Retail Industry | PCR .::. Size~: 33.68 KBJun 25 01:47
DaemonFCrefer to the manpage before attempting to open this program, enter text, save the file, or close itJun 25 01:47
schestowitzHypeCritesJun 25 01:47
DaemonFCemacs or vi, ewwwJun 25 01:47
DaemonFCI think the FSF sets out to promote software where everything works the opposite way of how you'd expect it toJun 25 01:48
DaemonFCDOS EDLIN is less confusingJun 25 01:48
DaemonFChttp://www.patersontech.com/Dos/Softalk/Softalk.htmlJun 25 01:50
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schestowitzYou can use neither; I use KateJun 25 01:50
schestowitzHey, Navada manJun 25 01:50
schestowitz*NeJun 25 01:50
DaemonFCof course, the great thing about DOS is that nobody made a definitive DOSJun 25 01:50
DaemonFCthere was MS-DOS, Novell DOS, Caldera, DR, etc.Jun 25 01:50
DaemonFCeveryone has had a DOS at one pointJun 25 01:50
DaemonFCeven Linux has a few DOS environmentsJun 25 01:51
schestowitzCheck out this channel, Chips_B_Malroy http://www.youtube.com/user/george4titleJun 25 01:51
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- george4title's Channel .::. Size~: 88.49 KBJun 25 01:51
DaemonFCincluding WineJun 25 01:51
DaemonFC:DJun 25 01:51
Chips_B_MalroyokJun 25 01:51
schestowitzHeh. M Asay uses the image I made: http://www.opensources.com/2010/06/23/valuing-novell-a-little-bit-higher-this-time/Jun 25 01:52
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cubezzzvi ftwJun 25 01:52
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: interestijng stuff there about the economyJun 25 01:52
DaemonFCI'd rather break old my old typewriterJun 25 01:52
cubezzzsurely you don't use kate through sshJun 25 01:53
DaemonFCthan use emacs or viJun 25 01:53
schestowitzBrowse his uploads, I found his channel this eveningJun 25 01:53
cubezzzDaemonFC, that's probably because you never used UnixJun 25 01:53
schestowitzcubezzz: I do sometimesJun 25 01:53
Chips_B_MalroyLumpy is commenting on Goblins site.  I have to wind him up just a bitJun 25 01:53
schestowitzkio handles it okJun 25 01:53
schestowitzSince 2003 :-DJun 25 01:53
DaemonFCnanoJun 25 01:53
DaemonFC:)Jun 25 01:53
DaemonFCnano is the most sane text editor I've found that the FSF had anything to do withJun 25 01:54
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: he also commented on FSFE's article the other dayJun 25 01:54
schestowitzSome blog posts defending FSFJun 25 01:54
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/microsoft-mobile-strategy-clear-as-mud/Jun 25 01:54
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft Mobile Strategy  Clear as mud? « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 66.81 KBJun 25 01:54
schestowitzSo the troll jumped in to incite against FSFJun 25 01:54
Chips_B_Malroycomment #14Jun 25 01:54
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: practising his job (experience) for his next trolling jobJun 25 01:55
schestowitzWhen ACCESS sinksJun 25 01:55
schestowitzAnd he's left to be seen as a troll who rubs people in FOSS the wrong wayJun 25 01:55
DaemonFCit seems like every time someone sets out to write a FOSS text editor, it eventually morphs into 20 other unrelated thingsJun 25 01:55
DaemonFCand sometimes manages to develop a plug-in architectureJun 25 01:55
schestowitz"Microsoft is running a big risk with “Windows Phone 7″. They’ve slit the throat of all Windows Mobile legacy development, in effect, and forced an entirely new, and hitherto-unseen, environment on developers and users. "Jun 25 01:55
schestowitzSame repertoireJun 25 01:55
cubezzzvi is the best text based editorJun 25 01:56
schestowitzSounds like ACCESSJun 25 01:56
Chips_B_Malroyand you seen what I posted without repling to LumpyJun 25 01:56
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cubezzzwhat I really don't understand is when Amiga folks diss LinuxJun 25 01:57
DaemonFCschestowitz: A text editor isn't a text editor until it has it's own Bugzilla and 100,000 bug reportsJun 25 01:57
DaemonFCI guessJun 25 01:57
cubezzzAmigaOS is closedJun 25 01:57
Chips_B_Malroyattack his employer, not his tacticsJun 25 01:57
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*DaemonFC smacks schestowitz with Halo 2 for VistaJun 25 01:58
DaemonFCkiller appJun 25 01:58
DaemonFCdriving salesJun 25 01:58
DaemonFCcha cha chaJun 25 01:58
DaemonFCdid that die when they killed classic XBOX Live?Jun 25 01:59
cubezzzslackware 4 is interesting for a lot of reasonsJun 25 01:59
DaemonFCI saved my XBOX 360 controller for Rainbow Six Vegas mainly *shrug*Jun 25 02:00
schestowitz[01:58] <DaemonFC> cha cha chaJun 25 02:00
schestowitz*LOL*Jun 25 02:00
schestowitzwth?Jun 25 02:00
cubezzzI supposed if you were really careful choosing your hardware MenuetOS could be viableJun 25 02:00
DaemonFCMicrosoft was shitting themselves when that Halo 2 for XP patch came outJun 25 02:01
DaemonFCall it did was remove the artificial checks for Vista functionality that Halo 2 didn't even useJun 25 02:01
DaemonFC:PJun 25 02:01
schestowitzhttp://www.itpro.co.uk/624586/apple-sues-htc-yet-againJun 25 02:01
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DaemonFCthe "Gravemind Patch" was separate because they decided to test for more stuff they didn't use and crash your game halfway in if you managed to bypass the initial checksJun 25 02:02
schestowitzHalo... goodbyeJun 25 02:02
DaemonFCbiggest ripoff everJun 25 02:02
DaemonFCit didn't use a single feature of DirectX 10, outside of testing for it being thereJun 25 02:03
DaemonFC:PJun 25 02:03
DaemonFCthat should have been a lot more scandalous than it ended up beingJun 25 02:04
DaemonFChttp://techrights.org/2010/06/24/opensuse-and-ballnux-issue/Jun 25 02:04
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DaemonFCHow can OpenSuse distance itself from the company that owns it?Jun 25 02:05
DaemonFCI am confusedJun 25 02:05
DaemonFCand infuriatedJun 25 02:05
DaemonFC:PJun 25 02:05
*cubezzz wonders if there's a BSD equivalent to BasicLinuxJun 25 02:05
DaemonFCWhy fork OpenSuse?Jun 25 02:05
DaemonFCWhat does it do that other distros don't?Jun 25 02:05
DaemonFCdesirable features that others don't, I meanJun 25 02:05
cubezzzgood questionJun 25 02:06
Chips_B_MalroyLumpy must be running out of places that let him troll (post).  Is why he is posting on Goblin's site.Jun 25 02:06
cubezzzhere's one I can answer: what does BasicLinux do that other distros don't?Jun 25 02:06
DaemonFCIf you take away all the half-functional crapware that Novell rushed out that uses .NET for no reason and crashes all the time, what's different about it?Jun 25 02:06
DaemonFC:DJun 25 02:06
cubezzzwait for it..Jun 25 02:06
DaemonFCMonsoon!!!!Jun 25 02:06
cubezzzwait for it...Jun 25 02:06
DaemonFCcha cha chaJun 25 02:06
cubezzz................ it runs in 16 megs of ramJun 25 02:06
cubezzzyou're ram pig OS can't compare to thatJun 25 02:07
cubezzzyourJun 25 02:07
DaemonFCOpenSuse is also consistently slower than other distros, even UbuntuJun 25 02:07
DaemonFCat least according to the Phoronix benchmark thingJun 25 02:08
DaemonFCOpenSuse practically falls over and dies if you ask it to be a high performance serverJun 25 02:08
schestowitz[02:05] <DaemonFC> How can OpenSuse distance itself from the company that owns it?Jun 25 02:08
schestowitzThat's the point I madeJun 25 02:08
schestowitzThe community need to fork and rename nextJun 25 02:08
DaemonFCFedora runs rings around itJun 25 02:08
DaemonFCI don't know exactly how Novell manages to botch OpenSuse so badJun 25 02:09
cubezzznow if Fedora made a BasicFedora that could be awesomeJun 25 02:09
cubezzzbut everyone's a ram pigJun 25 02:09
DaemonFCthey use recent components, AppArmor provides no security but isn't as big of a drain as SELinux...Jun 25 02:09
DaemonFCit should be roughly comparable in performance, overall, to other distrosJun 25 02:09
schestowitz[02:06] <DaemonFC> Monsoon!!!!Jun 25 02:09
cubezzzeven TinyCore is a ram pigJun 25 02:09
schestowitzIt's developer posted many comments in BNJun 25 02:09
schestowitzBoycott NovellJun 25 02:09
schestowitz*Its]Jun 25 02:09
DaemonFCschestowitz: I tried using Monsoon, but it usually just crashedJun 25 02:10
DaemonFCand you can't load a block listJun 25 02:10
DaemonFCand it uses buku resourcesJun 25 02:10
DaemonFCno reason for it to beJun 25 02:10
DaemonFCeven Novell got rid of it eventuallyJun 25 02:10
DaemonFCin favor of TransmissionJun 25 02:10
DaemonFCMonsoon was probably embarrassing Novell, I'll bet that's why it was silently disappeared after OpenSuse 11.1Jun 25 02:11
schestowitzmy apartment is a mess with food all over the place. later...Jun 25 02:12
Chips_B_MalroyI had my doubts about Matt Assay, but he seems to be doing alright for Ubuntu.  The more he does, he seems like a good pick by Mark.Jun 25 02:12
DaemonFCfor a while, Novell was patching all the Bittorrent apps in the OpenSuse repo to remove blocklist loading supportJun 25 02:13
DaemonFCseems to me like they were siding with MAFIAA by defaultJun 25 02:13
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC>depends on who their stockholders areJun 25 02:16
Chips_B_Malroyits one and the main reason that MS buys a small amount of stock, usually 1 to 3% in companies like Best Buy, Netflix, etc.  In order to influence the Board of those companies.  The question is, who owns Novell stock?Jun 25 02:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @NixiePixel: RT @MattPRD I got a call from a lucky iPhone 4 owner today. He said "Dude, the new iPhone is AWE -" then the call dropped.Jun 25 02:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Recording dates for the new #severedfifth Album announced! The whole session will be streamed live on ustream.tv - http://is.gd/d2R4SJun 25 02:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @0pensource: Video: Massive iPhone 4 Flaw Revealed: http://digg.com/d31UyXu?tJun 25 02:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Warning: cute overload RT @mkapor: Our after swim nap http://twitpic.com/1zl5cyJun 25 02:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Mobile Developer Survey http://bit.ly/cKTwrT "Android takes top honors for OS capabilities, openness, long-term outlook"Jun 25 02:47
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://business.scotsman.com/business/Speculation-grows-that-Microsoft39s-Ballmer.6372830.jpJun 25 02:51
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://vista.blorge.com/2010/06/20/is-steve-ballmer-about-to-exit-microsoft/Jun 25 02:52
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://au.ibtimes.com/articles/20100618/i-have-lost-confidence-in-steve-ballmers-leadership.htmJun 25 02:56
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Chips_B_MalroyBy Joe Wilcox, one of the last Ballmer holdouts.Jun 25 02:56
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cubezzzI know this is a small point but... IBM could have listed the specifications of the eduquest series on the webJun 25 02:59
cubezzzno one I can think of cares about old stuffJun 25 02:59
cubezzznot manufacturers Jun 25 02:59
Chips_B_MalroyWell I doJun 25 03:00
Chips_B_Malroymore about old software than hardware thoughJun 25 03:01
cubezzzthis could be mach 8Jun 25 03:04
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.zawya.com/story.cfm/sidZAWYA20100621044736Jun 25 03:04
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cubezzzanyone remember when ati mach 8 came out?Jun 25 03:04
Chips_B_Malroynot reallyJun 25 03:05
Chips_B_MalroyMepis Jun 25 03:05
Chips_B_MalroyMepis AntiX just came out with an 100mb version based on 486, all command line base versionJun 25 03:05
Chips_B_Malroycapable of running on a 486 that isJun 25 03:06
Chips_B_Malroyprobably still need a bit of memoryJun 25 03:06
Chips_B_Malroymight be for you CubezzzJun 25 03:07
cubezzzhmmm?Jun 25 03:08
cubezzzno, I'm maxed out at 16 megsJun 25 03:08
cubezzzunless it can run in 16 megs I can't use itJun 25 03:09
Chips_B_Malroywell, there is no X, so it might runJun 25 03:09
cubezzzI think I can run X thoughJun 25 03:09
Chips_B_Malroybut it is a 2.6 kernelJun 25 03:09
cubezzzno way then Jun 25 03:09
Chips_B_MalroyDSL used to run in 32mb with the 2.4 kernelJun 25 03:10
cubezzzright, still too bigJun 25 03:10
Chips_B_Malroywhat I am more interested in, is running some of the old software on new hardwareJun 25 03:12
Chips_B_Malroyexample, the Wordperfect for Linux, Corel Photo Paint, and the Loki games.  To do these easily, the best way would be to make a VDI for virtualbox running an old old version of LinuxJun 25 03:13
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Chips_B_Malroysome of the old software is still useful, if one can get it to runJun 25 03:14
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cubezzzummmJun 25 03:15
cubezzzold Loki games shouldn't be a problemJun 25 03:15
cubezzzI know that rt2, heretic 2, and heroes of might and magic work on fc1 at leastJun 25 03:16
Chips_B_Malroyold software should never dieJun 25 03:16
cubezzzoh and majesty gold of courseJun 25 03:16
Chips_B_Malroysoftware dieing should be a MS problemJun 25 03:16
Chips_B_MalroyonlyJun 25 03:16
cubezzzwell, no code dudeJun 25 03:16
cubezzzkind of hard to do updates Jun 25 03:17
cubezzzno source codeJun 25 03:17
cubezzzno one will talk to me about rt2 for exampleJun 25 03:17
cubezzza pityJun 25 03:17
Chips_B_Malroyby using the VDI approach, you only have to install one file, instead of spending endless hours trying to get old software to work again and againJun 25 03:17
Chips_B_Malroywell, after you get it to run the first time that isJun 25 03:18
Chips_B_Malroyrt2?Jun 25 03:18
cubezzzI'm running Xvesa and it sucksJun 25 03:18
cubezzzRailroad Tycoon 2Jun 25 03:18
Chips_B_Malroyrailroady tycoon 3?Jun 25 03:19
cubezzzLoki never made rt3Jun 25 03:19
Chips_B_Malroy2Jun 25 03:19
Chips_B_MalroytypoJun 25 03:19
cubezzzah :)Jun 25 03:19
cubezzzyou know something odd though?Jun 25 03:19
cubezzzsometimes when I ask for source code I get itJun 25 03:20
cubezzzrarelyJun 25 03:20
cubezzzthey usually say you can look at it, you can compile it but that's itJun 25 03:20
cubezzzI can't share itJun 25 03:20
Chips_B_Malroythese were not open source gamesJun 25 03:21
Chips_B_Malroyor programsJun 25 03:21
cubezzzyeah but I did fix some bugsJun 25 03:21
cubezzzbetter than nothingJun 25 03:21
Chips_B_Malroybut I believe the installers might be freewareJun 25 03:21
cubezzzthey _could_ have opened a 12 year old game thoughJun 25 03:22
Chips_B_MalroyWP8, I think had a personal freeware version as well, same with corelJun 25 03:22
Chips_B_Malroyso not sure about the legality of sharing a vdi like thatJun 25 03:23
Chips_B_Malroyrt2 was a great game, btw.  Sid MiersJun 25 03:24
Chips_B_Malroywhat office suite do you use on that old 486 with Linux on it?  Siag?Jun 25 03:26
Chips_B_MalroyOddly enough, Siag Office will still work on most Debain distros.  Although its not in the repo'sJun 25 03:27
cubezzzumm yeah rt2 was poptopJun 25 03:27
cubezzzdon't think Sid had much to do with itJun 25 03:27
cubezzzoh the 486? BasicLinuxJun 25 03:28
cubezzzit's the only thing that would workJun 25 03:28
Chips_B_Malroyno X?Jun 25 03:28
cubezzzXvesaJun 25 03:28
cubezzztrying to get X working nowJun 25 03:28
Chips_B_MalroyI wonder where to go to download an old iso and floppy boot images of really old linux'es?Jun 25 03:29
Chips_B_Malroyprobably need kernel 2.2 or older for most of those loki games?Jun 25 03:30
cubezzzno not reallyJun 25 03:30
cubezzzI have 2.4 on fc1Jun 25 03:30
cubezzzlet me check my notesJun 25 03:31
Chips_B_MalroyXconfigureJun 25 03:31
Chips_B_Malroyor was it xconfiguratorJun 25 03:31
cubezzzI know I did this: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$PWD ./rt2.dynamicJun 25 03:31
Chips_B_Malroythinking that was Red HatJun 25 03:31
cubezzzdon't know if that works on 2.6 thoughJun 25 03:32
cubezzzthere's Xsetup but it really only works for XvesaJun 25 03:32
cubezzzI need an old XF86Config fileJun 25 03:33
Chips_B_MalroyI have a bunch of the loki games, but never messed with them much in years.  I also bought WP8 at CompUSA Jun 25 03:33
Chips_B_MalroyX might not run if it did not like your video card back thenJun 25 03:34
Chips_B_Malroybut FC1 is not that oldJun 25 03:34
cubezzzeveryone else seems to think it is :)Jun 25 03:35
Chips_B_Malroywell yes, for modern hardwareJun 25 03:35
cubezzzyou want old:Jun 25 03:35
cubezzzhttp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/baslinux/Jun 25 03:35
Chips_B_Malroybut there is a place for oldJun 25 03:36
Chips_B_MalroyI have saved all my old linux cd's.  but there were gaps and versions that escaped meJun 25 03:36
cubezzzyeah I have a lot of cdsJun 25 03:37
cubezzzYggdrasil is oldJun 25 03:37
Chips_B_MalroyI missed that oneJun 25 03:37
cubezzzI also have Unix source code from PDP-11Jun 25 03:37
cubezzzkind of useless though :)Jun 25 03:37
cubezzzbut I was curiousJun 25 03:37
Chips_B_MalroyI did the Walnut Creek cd's for a long time, every six monthsJun 25 03:38
cubezzzso you have been using Linux since 1.0?Jun 25 03:38
Chips_B_Malroynot that longJun 25 03:38
cubezzzI actually did that, before 1.0 evenJun 25 03:38
Chips_B_MalroyI used it on and off somewhat.  Mostly I used Windows, sadly.Jun 25 03:39
cubezzzDarkstar 0.94 was my first LinuxJun 25 03:39
Chips_B_Malroyback in those early days I did not have internetJun 25 03:39
cubezzzyou know I hated windows 2.0Jun 25 03:39
cubezzzso slowJun 25 03:39
Chips_B_Malroytoo far out in the sticks, and dial up was only option.  all ong distance internetJun 25 03:39
cubezzzmy first Unix was Xenix 286Jun 25 03:40
cubezzzyeah in 1995 windows took over Jun 25 03:40
cubezzzI really am starting to like old LinuxJun 25 03:41
Chips_B_MalroyThe first Walnut Creek set of disks I got, saw the ad in the old Computer Shopper.  Got Slackware to run.  I think Red Hat had version 4.2 in that setJun 25 03:41
Chips_B_Malroyit was Red Hat, Slackware, Debain, and I forget the other distroJun 25 03:42
cubezzzummmJun 25 03:42
cubezzzYggdrasil? :)Jun 25 03:42
cubezzzthat was the first one I thinkJun 25 03:43
Chips_B_Malroywhen I got Red Hat 5.2 got the modem to run, and linux screemed on the internet!Jun 25 03:43
Chips_B_Malroybut after that, with a newer computer and differnet modems, it was alwhile before I got online again with LinuxJun 25 03:43
Chips_B_MalroyI could see that Linux was going make it back then.  Probably already did, if only I could figure it out thenJun 25 03:45
Chips_B_MalroyBut MS, on the other hand, only improved somewhat as long as they had competition to fear.  Like IBM OS/2 and BeOS for awhile.  Once those were gone MS was free to try to slop off Vista on the masses.Jun 25 03:47
Chips_B_MalroyAt least MS thought so.  Now Linux is a problem for themJun 25 03:47
Chips_B_MalroyCubezzz>  if I got my version numbers wrong, well, it was back a few years ago, so its possible I forgotJun 25 03:49
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cubezzzno there's also AROS and Haiku and a few othersJun 25 03:50
Chips_B_MalroyI see your Basiclinux, you can install packages from Slackware 4/0Jun 25 03:50
cubezzzyesJun 25 03:50
cubezzzoh well I better open this thing upJun 25 03:51
cubezzzI thought it was mach 32Jun 25 03:51
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_LinuxJun 25 03:53
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Chips_B_MalroyThere is a certain version of Red Hat I need.  You go back to far, and it will not run as a guest in Virtualbox.  If you don't go back far enough, then WP8, Corel, and the Loki games, become harder to set up, and some may not workJun 25 03:56
Chips_B_MalroyI really don't care about keeping the old hardware anymore.  Its the old software I want to keep and run.  Some of it.Jun 25 03:57
Chips_B_MalroyAnd I want to do it in an easy wayJun 25 03:58
cubezzzati-28600Jun 25 03:58
cubezzzummmJun 25 04:00
cubezzzdon't have a clue what that isJun 25 04:03
cubezzzsvga I guessJun 25 04:04
Chips_B_MalroyI don't remember ati making chips for 286 boards, but I doubt that what it impliesJun 25 04:04
Chips_B_Malroyvga more likely or egaJun 25 04:05
cubezzzno i know it's at least vgaJun 25 04:05
Chips_B_Malroyega=16 colorsJun 25 04:05
cubezzzI can do 320x200 256 colourJun 25 04:05
Chips_B_Malroythat is just vga Jun 25 04:06
Chips_B_Malroythat resolution that isJun 25 04:06
Chips_B_Malroy640x480 is vgaJun 25 04:06
Chips_B_Malroyits the 256 colors that just make it vgaJun 25 04:07
cubezzzyeah Jun 25 04:07
Chips_B_Malroy800x600 is svgaJun 25 04:07
cubezzzI think it's got 256k of memoryJun 25 04:08
Chips_B_Malroy320x200 16 is egaJun 25 04:08
cubezzz640x350 16 Jun 25 04:08
cubezzzI programmed it Jun 25 04:08
cubezzzso I know :)Jun 25 04:08
cubezzzat least EGA I knowJun 25 04:09
Chips_B_Malroy320x200 4 colors is CGA,  my first monitor on a X 8088XT   zg 10mhz !Jun 25 04:09
cubezzzI still run EGA dos programs I wrote under FreeDosJun 25 04:09
cubezzzrgb CGA wasn't too badJun 25 04:10
cubezzzcomposite CGA really suckedJun 25 04:10
cubezzzcan't imagine running Linux with that thoughJun 25 04:10
Chips_B_Malroyyes, I knew ega would do higher resolution, but was only referring to that it would do less as well.  just like svga will do more.  cga will not Jun 25 04:11
cubezzzxf86config is the program that configures X in 2.2Jun 25 04:11
cubezzzmight even be the same in 2.4Jun 25 04:12
cubezzzwith different capitalization thoughJun 25 04:12
Chips_B_Malroydid monochrome monitors have better resolution than CGA?  Jun 25 04:13
cubezzzumm yesJun 25 04:13
cubezzzhercules was betterJun 25 04:13
Chips_B_Malroythought soJun 25 04:14
cubezzzand MDA was better but you could only use the rom character setJun 25 04:14
cubezzzway better actuallyJun 25 04:14
Chips_B_Malroyyes, but how many used ones of monochrome did you ever see with burned in speedsheets?  From being left on too long without a screensaverJun 25 04:15
Chips_B_Malroyseem a few of thoseJun 25 04:15
cubezzzquite a fewJun 25 04:15
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Chips_B_Malroyso CGA as bad as it was, was an improvementJun 25 04:16
Chips_B_Malroynot only for gamingJun 25 04:16
cubezzzwell Amiga was a lot betterJun 25 04:17
cubezzzin 1985 Amiga was way aheadJun 25 04:17
Chips_B_MalroyI missed the Commandor/Amiga completely.   Went the IBM route insteadJun 25 04:18
Chips_B_MalroyMS DOS 3.21Jun 25 04:18
Chips_B_Malroy20mb hard driveJun 25 04:18
Chips_B_Malroynice machine for its dayJun 25 04:19
cubezzzAmiga was a much better systemJun 25 04:20
Chips_B_MalroyMSDOS still sucked, but at least you could hit the cold boot button Jun 25 04:20
Chips_B_Malroyin fact, mostly that all you had when it locked upJun 25 04:20
Chips_B_Malroyif crt alt del did not Jun 25 04:21
Chips_B_Malroymine was a cloneJun 25 04:21
Chips_B_Malroynot real IBM, but compatableJun 25 04:21
cubezzzI'm using an IBM right now actually :)Jun 25 04:21
cubezzzeququest 35Jun 25 04:22
Chips_B_Malroythe clones is what drove the price down, and killed Apple and AmigaJun 25 04:22
Chips_B_Malroyor should I say, nearly killed themJun 25 04:22
cubezzzAmiga is strange because it kind of didn't dieJun 25 04:22
cubezzzit's more like a zombieJun 25 04:22
cubezzzthere's still developmentJun 25 04:23
Chips_B_Malroyand Crapple came back from the graveJun 25 04:23
Chips_B_MalroyNow the vultures are circling Novell, and taking an eye on future MicrosoftJun 25 04:24
Chips_B_MalroyFor all the credit that either MS or IBM gets for making cheap computers come to life, it really was the OEM's that backward engineered the open hardware to make 100% compatiable IBM computers, that was responcible for making cheap computes a reality.Jun 25 04:27
cubezzzeveryone copied XeroxJun 25 04:27
Chips_B_MalroyThat whats gave the competition, the open part.Jun 25 04:28
cubezzzthey basically invented the PC with GUIJun 25 04:28
Chips_B_Malroythe UI, yesJun 25 04:28
cubezzzand you know who intel copied?Jun 25 04:28
cubezzzthe datapoint 2200Jun 25 04:28
Chips_B_MalroyExcept MS did not copy them enoughJun 25 04:28
Chips_B_Malroyor they would have had a better productJun 25 04:29
Chips_B_Malroyand who copyed Ford?Jun 25 04:30
Chips_B_Malroyor should I say who did Ford copy?Jun 25 04:30
cubezzzummmJun 25 04:31
Chips_B_MalroyIf the patent office back then would have been as out of control as now, we would still be riding horse drawn wagonsJun 25 04:31
cubezzzyeah everyone copies something Jun 25 04:31
Chips_B_Malroythe problem is, these days, the patents have gone too far now.  It may almost be impossible to copy some things and do it differently enough to not get suedJun 25 04:33
Chips_B_Malroyexample touch screensJun 25 04:34
Chips_B_Malroyboth MS and Apple were trying to take credit for inventing touch screen features as theirsJun 25 04:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @DBowen: I certified for the Nov. ballot a measure that wd change the vote requirement to pass a budget from 2/3 to a simple majorityJun 25 04:34
cubezzzw00tJun 25 04:34
cubezzzwe have a screenJun 25 04:34
cubezzzmouse worksJun 25 04:35
Chips_B_MalroyMS is very slow news on the last few days.  I think some small stealth layoffs, a few here and there, but nothing so large as to have to report it to the gov.  That from comments at mini msft.Jun 25 04:36
cubezzzdamn, this is awfulJun 25 04:36
cubezzzI got no text consoleJun 25 04:37
Chips_B_Malroycubezzz> you got X?  very goodJun 25 04:37
cubezzzyeah but it's crappyJun 25 04:37
cubezzzI can't do anythingJun 25 04:37
Chips_B_Malroyexit X and you have console I thinkJun 25 04:38
cubezzzI can't do any keyboard under XJun 25 04:38
Chips_B_Malroyto get back in from console     startXJun 25 04:38
Chips_B_Malroyor is it    startxJun 25 04:38
cubezzzstartx for this oneJun 25 04:38
Chips_B_Malroykeyboard might have to be setup for X as well in old linuxJun 25 04:39
Chips_B_Malroythink its July 22nd when the quarter results come in for MS.  Ballmer needs a good quarter Jun 25 04:40
cubezzzI'm reverting back to old XvesaJun 25 04:40
cubezzzblahJun 25 04:40
cubezzzit doesn't matterJun 25 04:41
cubezzzI can still run x programsJun 25 04:41
cubezzzthis could be straight VGAJun 25 04:57
cubezzzI keep getting int 10h (0x4f00) failed: Jun 25 05:02
Chips_B_Malroyunless you can do at least 800x600 it is regular vgaJun 25 05:02
cubezzzvideo mode 03h in biosJun 25 05:04
Chips_B_MalroyI threw away many old 640x480 vga monitors when I moved long agoJun 25 05:04
cubezzzit looked like it had 4 44256 memory chips for videoJun 25 05:04
cubezzzbut I can't remember what that meansJun 25 05:05
Chips_B_Malroywell, if either your card or you monitor only supports vga, then thats what you gotJun 25 05:05
cubezzzit doesn't even show any info on videoJun 25 05:06
Chips_B_Malroy64k chips maybe?Jun 25 05:06
Chips_B_Malroyor 16Jun 25 05:06
cubezzz256x4 I thought it wasJun 25 05:06
cubezzz1993 eraJun 25 05:07
Chips_B_Malroyits a vesa card?  the 32 isaJun 25 05:07
cubezzzit's on the motherboardJun 25 05:07
cubezzzI guess I could put in another video card thoughJun 25 05:07
Chips_B_Malroythe long one in the slotJun 25 05:07
Chips_B_MalroyeisaJun 25 05:07
cubezzzno, all the video chips are part of the motherboardJun 25 05:08
hazzycubezzz: What are you installing?Jun 25 05:08
cubezzzjust trying to figure out what this old 486 has for videoJun 25 05:09
cubezzzall i know is that it says "ATI 25600" on the chipJun 25 05:09
hazzyOh, I thought you were installing a distroJun 25 05:10
cubezzzit's got basiclinux on itJun 25 05:11
Chips_B_Malroyits doorstop material, but its a good learning experience,  not sure for whatJun 25 05:11
Chips_B_Malroya trip back in timeJun 25 05:11
cubezzzwell, 320x200 256 Jun 25 05:12
cubezzzyou can't do that on modern video cardsJun 25 05:12
Chips_B_Malroytrue, but you can do it in virtualboxJun 25 05:12
cubezzzno you can'tJun 25 05:13
cubezzzyou can do 320x240 with a black bar on the bottom of the screenJun 25 05:13
cubezzzit's not even 4:3Jun 25 05:13
Chips_B_Malroybut those old machines, still running with software on them, will be a colletors item soomJun 25 05:14
cubezzzsureJun 25 05:14
Chips_B_Malroy*soonJun 25 05:14
cubezzzit's a collectors item now I'd say :)Jun 25 05:14
cubezzzstill uses the original hard drive and power supplyJun 25 05:15
cubezzzthat's 17 years oldJun 25 05:15
Chips_B_MalroyI kept an old IBM Thinkpad 760CD with several hard drive caddies many years past its prime, because it would run OS/2 Warp 4 on it.Jun 25 05:15
Chips_B_MalroyAnd that laptop had 52mb of ram in it.Jun 25 05:17
Chips_B_MalroyCubezz>  with those older boards, I think if you put a graphics card in, you have to jumper the board to stop using the video onboard.  I believe.Jun 25 05:24
Chips_B_Malroy486 might also have a color/monochrome jumper as wellJun 25 05:24
Chips_B_Malroymaybe too new for that thoJun 25 05:25
Chips_B_Malroywell, gnJun 25 05:26
cubezzzlaterJun 25 05:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Is WikiLeaks biased? http://bit.ly/b9Ze5lJun 25 05:26
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DaemonFChttp://www.deseretnews.com/article/700043039/Palins-fund-illegal-money-going-back.htmlJun 25 06:15
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DaemonFChttp://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/la-me-welfare-casinos-20100625,0,1615510.storyJun 25 06:17
TechrightsTitle: California welfare recipients withdrew $1.8 million at casino ATMs over eight months - latimes.com .::. Size~: 109.17 KBJun 25 06:17
DaemonFC"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger issued an executive order requiring welfare recipients to promise they will use cash benefits only to "meet the basic subsistence needs" of their families."Jun 25 06:18
DaemonFCNice PR, but executive orders can't be used on private citizensJun 25 06:18
DaemonFCthey're there to direct government agenciesJun 25 06:18
DaemonFCand if the Governator ordered the state welfare agencies to block casino ATMs, the welfare abusers would just withdraw the money elsewhere and take it to the casino anywayJun 25 06:19
DaemonFC$1.8 million withdrawn at casinos in 8 months, $2.4 million a yearJun 25 06:20
DaemonFCthe people of California get to pay $2.4 million in taxes every year so that welfare recipients can play blackjack at the casinoJun 25 06:20
DaemonFC"Republican lawmakers are now calling on the administration to track down the people who withdrew cash at gaming centers and recover the money."Jun 25 06:21
DaemonFCEx Post Facto lawJun 25 06:21
DaemonFCillegalJun 25 06:21
DaemonFCWhat's funny is that they're talking about shutting down the ATMs in liquor stores and barsJun 25 06:22
DaemonFCdamn, I guess that means the welfare fraudsters will have to use the ATM across the streetJun 25 06:23
DaemonFCthere's only a million of them in every cityJun 25 06:23
DaemonFC"Schwarzenegger spokesman Aaron McLear said the point of the executive order was to force the department to examine the program for all manner of abuse"Jun 25 06:23
DaemonFCIf a family of three can live on $694 a month and use half the money at a casino, there's some kind of fraud going onJun 25 06:24
DaemonFCselling drugs comes to mindJun 25 06:24
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cubezzzpeople should use welfare for basic necessitiesJun 25 06:41
DaemonFCshould, don'tJun 25 06:41
DaemonFCcubezzz: Welfare recipients typically get alcohol and cigarettes before feeding their kidsJun 25 06:42
DaemonFCthe state doesn't do anything about itJun 25 06:42
cubezzzyeah that's hard to understandJun 25 06:43
cubezzzmind boggling actuallyJun 25 06:43
DaemonFCwhat's hard to understand? cheaters finding a way to game the system?Jun 25 06:43
cubezzzsmoking cigarettes at all is hard to understandJun 25 06:44
DaemonFCcubezzz: What's funny is the WIC programJun 25 06:44
cubezzzthe health risks are well documentedJun 25 06:44
DaemonFCWomen Infants and ChildrenJun 25 06:44
DaemonFCit covers stuff like baby formula and prenatal vitamins and suchJun 25 06:44
DaemonFClike food stamps, only real limitedJun 25 06:44
DaemonFCwomen go in and buy baby formula then "lose the receipt" and try to get a cash refundJun 25 06:45
DaemonFChttp://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/06/25/youtube-wins-viacom-case-we-lose-entertainment/Jun 25 06:47
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DaemonFChttp://www.kfyrtv.com/News_Stories.asp?news=41067Jun 25 06:50
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DaemonFCIf someone had 12 unprotected sexual partners, and so did each of their partners, that person would have exposed him or herself to 4,095 people.Jun 25 06:50
DaemonFChmmmmJun 25 06:50
*DaemonFC was wondering why he couldn't remember 1.7 million names and phone numbersJun 25 06:51
DaemonFC:PJun 25 06:51
DaemonFChttp://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/dad-says-mcdonald's-three-little-pigs-toy-has-potty-mouthJun 25 06:52
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DaemonFC"Yaaaa! Hyaaa! Ohhh! He hoofed! He poofed! and he ****** her ******* brains oot!!!?Jun 25 06:56
DaemonFCWhat did the pig say? :PJun 25 06:56
DaemonFChttp://news.discovery.com/human/women-sperm-selection.htmlJun 25 06:58
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DaemonFC"A woman's body could reject the sperm of less suitable male partners."Jun 25 06:58
DaemonFCThe majority of evidence does not support this.Jun 25 06:58
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/cir9p/steve_jobs_to_iphone_4_user_with_bad_reception/Jun 25 06:58
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MinceRthe standards of suitability must be extremely low. :>Jun 25 06:59
DaemonFCMinceR: I have the opposite theory. I call it the Theory of Condescending Sperm AcceptanceJun 25 06:59
DaemonFCthe idea that the more worthless the man is, the more likely the woman is to become impregnated by himJun 25 07:01
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://gamingbolt.com/2010/06/24/the-red-brick-of-death-new-xbox-360-already-rrodd/Jun 25 07:04
TechrightsTitle: The Red Brick Of Death (New Xbox 360 Already RRODd) « GamingBolt.com: Video Game News, Reviews, Previews and Blog .::. Size~: 35.37 KBJun 25 07:04
Chips_B_MalroyI hope Roy see this oneJun 25 07:05
DaemonFCMicrosoft has lied to cover up the last mass defectJun 25 07:05
DaemonFCuntil it became so widespread and they had been sued so many times, they couldn't deny itJun 25 07:05
DaemonFCthere was another issue with launch consoles that never got much attentionJun 25 07:06
DaemonFCthe PSU itself could overheatJun 25 07:06
DaemonFCthere was a forum I was reading back in 2005 where people were opening the window in december to hang the psu outsideJun 25 07:06
DaemonFCso they could play their XBOX 360 until Microsoft sent the coffin outJun 25 07:07
Chips_B_Malroywell its hard to think of an electronic product with a higher failure rate.  Maybe early Soviet area consumer televisons, maybe.Jun 25 07:07
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: There were no consumers in the Soviet UnionJun 25 07:08
Chips_B_Malroy*eraJun 25 07:08
DaemonFCthere were the force fedJun 25 07:08
DaemonFCB-)Jun 25 07:08
cubezzzin Soviet Russia, TV watches you!Jun 25 07:08
DaemonFCif the government says 200 million people need 5 billion toothbrushes and no toilet paper, that's what they got, damn itJun 25 07:08
DaemonFCB-)Jun 25 07:08
DaemonFCright, MinceRJun 25 07:09
DaemonFC?Jun 25 07:09
DaemonFC:DJun 25 07:09
MinceR:>Jun 25 07:09
DaemonFCThe black market toilet paper was probably the super soft kind, cherry picked from one of the 100 US companies stocking the toilet paper aisle at WalmartJun 25 07:10
DaemonFCit took a month's worth of Soviet wages to buy one rollJun 25 07:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] http://is.gd/d35yO - info on the surprise crash of mayJun 25 07:10
Chips_B_Malroyhow many years now has MS had to fix/redesign the Xbox360 RROD/E74/scratched disk problems?  Is it 4 years now of failure, as in so what?Jun 25 07:11
DaemonFCMinceR: My dad worked with a guy who got his entire family over the Berlin wall in a hot air balloonJun 25 07:11
DaemonFC:PJun 25 07:11
MinceRniceJun 25 07:11
MinceRwhen?Jun 25 07:11
DaemonFClate 70sJun 25 07:11
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: The problem with these things is that some consoles work fine and others are hell, because Microsoft is using components from 4-5 different suppliersJun 25 07:13
DaemonFCand each supplier has different defects Jun 25 07:13
DaemonFCthere's no way to tell which consoles are good or bad just by looking at the boxJun 25 07:13
Chips_B_MalroyMS is showing how little it cares for its custormers with the XBox360Jun 25 07:14
DaemonFCsay the Thomson DVD drives are defective and the Philips ones aren'tJun 25 07:14
DaemonFCthat happened with original XBOXJun 25 07:14
DaemonFCalso, "backup" DVDs might work in one brand of drive and fail in another brand of driveJun 25 07:14
Chips_B_Malroyits ongoingJun 25 07:14
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: Lowest bidderJun 25 07:15
DaemonFCftwJun 25 07:15
Chips_B_Malroyyes, MS uses the cheapest parts possibleJun 25 07:16
DaemonFCthe reason the boards failed pretty uniformly is because Foxconn made them allJun 25 07:16
DaemonFChard disk and dvd drive problems were either there or not thereJun 25 07:16
DaemonFCdepending on what supplier made themJun 25 07:16
DaemonFCif you got a Samsung hard drive and Philips DVD drive you were OK there probablyJun 25 07:17
DaemonFCbut Western Digital hard drivers and Thomson DVD drives have many defectsJun 25 07:17
DaemonFC*drivesJun 25 07:17
Chips_B_MalroyMS designed the hardware, let not give Foxcom all the blame, although I am sure they should get someJun 25 07:17
DaemonFCmehJun 25 07:18
DaemonFCMicrosoft cut corners then chose a shoddy company who cut some corners on their ownJun 25 07:18
DaemonFCI'd say the blame is with both sidesJun 25 07:18
DaemonFCI'm somewhat surprised the new consoles are RROD-ingJun 25 07:19
Chips_B_Malroythey were too cheap to put rubber pads in their dvd drives to stop the heads from scratching the disks, that has been documented.Jun 25 07:19
DaemonFCthe combined CPU/GPU supposedly uses less power and generates less heatJun 25 07:19
DaemonFCif they're still using those massive fansinks, then it shouldn't be a problemJun 25 07:20
Chips_B_MalroyWell, its an early report, it could be a fluke, but knowing MS, it mostly likely is notJun 25 07:20
DaemonFCif you can't get the same performance out of a much more efficient CPU design after 5 years, you have a problemJun 25 07:21
DaemonFC:)Jun 25 07:21
DaemonFCyou have ultra low power CPUs today that operate on 2-3 wattsJun 25 07:21
Chips_B_MalroyWell, my advice is not to buy oneJun 25 07:22
DaemonFCwhere ten years ago, the same performance CPU took 90 wattsJun 25 07:22
DaemonFCor moreJun 25 07:22
cubezzzwell that was particularJun 25 07:22
cubezzzone usb logitech mouse works with the ps/2 adapter, the other does notJun 25 07:22
DaemonFCthose ARM CPUs are really really really good mobile CPUsJun 25 07:23
DaemonFCvery fast and use hardly any power compared to the "ultra low power" x86 ones, like AtomJun 25 07:23
cubezzzweirdJun 25 07:23
Chips_B_MalroyDid you watch the flash video on that link?  Now it could be the control MS put it there to prevent it from overheating not resetting itselfJun 25 07:23
cubezzzwell I need to make a note of thatJun 25 07:23
DaemonFCI think a while back I saw a combines ARM CPU/GPU deal that used 10 watts under loadJun 25 07:23
DaemonFCwhere the Atom and Intel GPU took 45 wattsJun 25 07:24
Chips_B_MalroySo it could be a new problem with the consoleJun 25 07:24
DaemonFCprobablyJun 25 07:24
DaemonFC3 red rings is used for more than one type of malfunctionJun 25 07:24
DaemonFCoverheat is just one of themJun 25 07:25
DaemonFCwhat would be more interesting is the error code that comes upJun 25 07:25
Chips_B_Malroythere are no red lights on the xbox360 anymoreJun 25 07:25
DaemonFCif it's E71 or E74, it's probably an overheatJun 25 07:25
Chips_B_Malroythe new slim modelJun 25 07:25
DaemonFCI got an E78 on one of mineJun 25 07:26
DaemonFCwhich meant the A/V output has failedJun 25 07:26
DaemonFC:DJun 25 07:26
Chips_B_Malroythese are the new slim model that just came outJun 25 07:26
Chips_B_Malroyonly out about a week nowJun 25 07:26
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/DoubleDip-Recession-Fears-cnbc-1174470737.html;_ylt=Ao92WzKXdgHhD4Va3.dxb5.7YWsA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1ZW50dWlsBHBvcwMzBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzBHNsawNkb3VibGUtZGlwcmU-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=Jun 25 07:28
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DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: I have gone 5 days without sodaJun 25 07:28
*DaemonFC just noticed thatJun 25 07:28
DaemonFCthat's like a personal best or somethingJun 25 07:28
Chips_B_MalroyI have not drank a soda in months, at least 3Jun 25 07:29
DaemonFChmmm, KGB says don't use expired visineJun 25 07:29
DaemonFCmine went bad March 2009Jun 25 07:30
DaemonFCstill seems to work okJun 25 07:30
MinceRwhy does the kgb give advice about that?Jun 25 07:30
DaemonFCA woman's body could reject the sperm of less suitable male partners.Jun 25 07:30
DaemonFCerrrJun 25 07:30
DaemonFCfucking clipboardJun 25 07:30
cubezzzlolJun 25 07:30
DaemonFChttp://www.kgbanswers.com/can-you-use-expired-visine/4456860Jun 25 07:30
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DaemonFC:PJun 25 07:30
Chips_B_MalroySo how many times did you have to return that xbox?Jun 25 07:30
DaemonFCKGB loves us MinceRJun 25 07:31
MinceRweirdJun 25 07:31
DaemonFC8 timesJun 25 07:31
cubezzzwow, why so few?Jun 25 07:31
DaemonFCI got rid of it before 9?Jun 25 07:31
DaemonFCB-)Jun 25 07:31
DaemonFCI would be on 11 or 12 by nowJun 25 07:31
Chips_B_MalroyMS must be making a lot of money on thoseJun 25 07:32
DaemonFCnoJun 25 07:32
MinceRKnowledge Generation BureauJun 25 07:32
DaemonFCthey replaced them all for freeJun 25 07:32
cubezzzif you're good I'll let you use linux on my still working 17 year old computerJun 25 07:32
DaemonFCI got sick of sending them in once every 4-5 monthsJun 25 07:32
Chips_B_MalroyI bet MS already burned threw the One Billion to replace defective Xbox360's long ago, and is doing something creative to not tell stockholders how much they are losing on it.Jun 25 07:34
cubezzzI bet older computers naturally last longerJun 25 07:34
cubezzzthey don't heat up as muchJun 25 07:34
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: "We're setting aside $10 billion"Jun 25 07:34
DaemonFCIt's not for defective hardware.Jun 25 07:34
DaemonFC"It's, uh..... R&D!"Jun 25 07:35
Chips_B_MalroyThe old AT supplies, CubeZZZ, I only every had one bad one.Jun 25 07:35
cubezzzinterestingJun 25 07:35
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: Microsoft hired former CIA agents to dig up dirt on their shareholders in case they should ever stop funding failed projects? (My guess)Jun 25 07:36
Chips_B_Malroy<DaemonFC>  "We're setting aside $10 billion"  Could be, more likely set aside for lawsuits.Jun 25 07:36
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: The scary thing about a big company that pays lawyers on a subscription model whether they're using them or not....Jun 25 07:36
DaemonFCis that they WILL find something to keep them busyJun 25 07:37
DaemonFC:)Jun 25 07:37
Chips_B_MalroyyesJun 25 07:37
Chips_B_Malroythey are on the clockJun 25 07:37
DaemonFCan all you can eat litigation budgetJun 25 07:37
DaemonFCthey have a queue I'm sure, they probably prioritize what they want their lawyers to work onJun 25 07:38
Chips_B_Malroysetting aside money, it becomes a slush fund.  They slush funds are easy to fudge the books, and use part of the money on other things like kickbacks and bribes.Jun 25 07:38
DaemonFCone thing you always hear about from former Microsoft employees is how much they hated being in the dark on everythingJun 25 07:39
DaemonFCfed just enough info to get their part of a project doneJun 25 07:39
DaemonFCsomething like Windows has dozens of teams working on it that know next to nothing about what the other team is working onJun 25 07:40
DaemonFCMicrosoft doesn't want anyone to know how the whole things worksJun 25 07:40
DaemonFCthat would make the person dangerous when they leave the companyJun 25 07:40
Chips_B_MalroyHave always thought that former MS employees with a grudge, were writing a good share of the malware that attacks windows.Jun 25 07:42
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: The way I had the Vista disaster explained to me, was that the WinMain branch is only compiled once a day, no matter how many teams land whatJun 25 07:42
DaemonFCand nobody gets to know how it works until the daily build is builtJun 25 07:42
DaemonFCso it happens a lot that one team lands something that breaks something that another team put inJun 25 07:43
Chips_B_MalroyOrganized KaosJun 25 07:43
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DaemonFC Chips_B_Malroy: Then there's the other problemJun 25 07:44
DaemonFCtoo many projects trying to latch themselves on to Windows at onceJun 25 07:44
Chips_B_MalroyThen there is the bottom ten percent problem at MSJun 25 07:45
DaemonFCthe old Longhorn branch was reeking of feature creepJun 25 07:45
DaemonFCand had many many bugsJun 25 07:45
DaemonFCmade Vista look goodJun 25 07:45
Chips_B_Malroylet fire the bottom ten percentJun 25 07:45
ender2070so my boss is pouring over my internet logs over the past six monthsJun 25 07:45
DaemonFCwell, decoupling a bunch of things from Windows itself and moving them out to Windows Live was a good callJun 25 07:46
DaemonFCfor a number of reasonsJun 25 07:46
ender2070you'll never guess whyJun 25 07:46
Chips_B_Malroyinstead of fixing most of the bugs, come out with version 2 with more bloated unless features.Jun 25 07:46
DaemonFChe found the porn?Jun 25 07:46
Chips_B_Malroy*uselessJun 25 07:46
ender2070lefty called him and notified him that I may have been using company resources to harass himJun 25 07:47
Chips_B_Malroyender2070> Lumpy is commenting at Jun 25 07:47
Chips_B_MalroyGoblin's siteJun 25 07:47
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: They had a lot of features that were non-core and were adding delays and problems with development of core featuresJun 25 07:47
DaemonFCso they split them offJun 25 07:47
DaemonFClike there's no Windows Mail in WIndows 7Jun 25 07:47
ender2070goblin is a synonym for trollJun 25 07:47
DaemonFCand there's no Movie Maker or Parental ControlsJun 25 07:47
DaemonFCWindows 7 is probably more secure because there's less of itJun 25 07:48
DaemonFC:PJun 25 07:48
MinceRuac undoes all thatJun 25 07:48
MinceRvista7 is extremely insecureJun 25 07:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Down Goes Another One: Spanish Appeals Court Rules Against Movie Studio Lawsuit Against File Sharing Site - http://bit.ly/dtDvEC ¡Hola!Jun 25 07:48
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DaemonFCthe auto elevate thing?Jun 25 07:48
MinceRall those kinds of elevationsJun 25 07:49
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DaemonFCUAC just makes it easier to run more stuff as the userJun 25 07:49
Chips_B_MalroyEnder>  http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/06/18/microsoft-mobile-strategy-clear-as-mud/Jun 25 07:49
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DaemonFCit's not really meant to stop malicious software by itselfJun 25 07:49
MinceRthe whitelist by executable name thing, the turn off confirmation without asking the user thing and who knows what elseJun 25 07:49
MinceRwell, it's certainly easier to run more stuff as the user if any app can just ask for admin rights and get it without the user being any wiserJun 25 07:50
DaemonFCyou can still set the slider to high and get Vista style UAC nags for everything :PJun 25 07:50
DaemonFCif it makes you feel betterJun 25 07:50
MinceRit's especially easier to run malwareJun 25 07:50
MinceRiirc vista's uac wasn't exactly secure eitherJun 25 07:50
ender2070Chips_B_Malroy - hes been dealing with the devil for a whileJun 25 07:51
MinceRand this is just one sechole (uac, that is)Jun 25 07:51
ender2070they twitter each other dailyJun 25 07:51
ender2070nothing newJun 25 07:51
DaemonFCthere's still no auto-elevate malware out thereJun 25 07:51
Chips_B_Malroyprobably the signing helped more, but that is now being cracked more and moreJun 25 07:51
DaemonFCdespite all the warnings about it last yearJun 25 07:51
MinceRperhaps they don't even need itJun 25 07:51
MinceRperhaps they just use remote threads to run their code in something running as systemJun 25 07:52
Chips_B_Malroyender2070> I had to comment about Abcess, the company he works forJun 25 07:52
ender2070daemonfc - im going to formally let you know that your opinion is ignored. kthxbyeJun 25 07:52
MinceR(another security hole disguised as a feature)Jun 25 07:52
Chips_B_Malroy*AccessJun 25 07:52
ender2070logically if they let him do the stuff he does, its an entire company of trollsJun 25 07:53
MinceRhmm, i wonder if oiaohm considers remote threads being a part of nt's supposedly great designJun 25 07:53
ender2070LOLJun 25 07:54
Chips_B_MalroyEnder2070> I agree. which is why I don't bother with him, but attack the company he works for.Jun 25 07:54
ender2070supposedly he is the director of social media, and gets surprised when people thinks he speaks for his company when he uses social media and puts his company title in the profileJun 25 07:55
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC>  why exploit raising the UAC prevledges, when 1/3 of the malware can already just get though anyway?Jun 25 07:56
Chips_B_Malroy1/3 of 4 million exploits is how many?Jun 25 07:56
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: It's meant so that programs can run as the user, not as the administratorJun 25 07:56
DaemonFCso that if you hijack my web browser, you can't make writes to system foldersJun 25 07:57
DaemonFCthat sort of thingJun 25 07:57
ender2070daemonfc - what if i just delete your bookmarksJun 25 07:57
ender2070or steal your passwordsJun 25 07:57
ender2070?Jun 25 07:57
MinceRexcept that i can probably still make writes thereJun 25 07:57
MinceRbecause the whole system is full of holeJun 25 07:57
MinceRsJun 25 07:57
ender2070yeahJun 25 07:58
ender2070nothing is preventing you from doing itJun 25 07:58
Chips_B_Malroyor steal your bank passwords, or your credit card numbers, or paypal etcJun 25 07:58
Chips_B_Malroynothing real importantJun 25 07:59
ender2070lolJun 25 07:59
ender2070i'd rather just install from a repo of signed packagesJun 25 07:59
MinceRwell, if you trusted a m$ product to handle it then it wasn't importantJun 25 07:59
Chips_B_Malroy"windows is secure, vista is loved"  Andre de Costa  aka Lucy BuntuJun 25 08:00
ender2070lolJun 25 08:00
ender2070vista is loved by the mentally illJun 25 08:00
MinceRwindows mobile is successful :>Jun 25 08:00
DaemonFCthe user usually has to OK somethingJun 25 08:00
DaemonFCso most exploits really are of the useJun 25 08:00
DaemonFC*userJun 25 08:00
MinceRfor remote threads?Jun 25 08:00
ender2070daemonfc - the user will OK everythingJun 25 08:00
Chips_B_Malroyvista is loved by paid shillsJun 25 08:01
MinceRor for turning UAC off (which is a configuration change, which is allowed by default)Jun 25 08:01
ender2070yeah a script can turn off uacJun 25 08:01
MinceRthat is, turning confirmation offJun 25 08:01
ender2070and the services that alert you that security is brokenJun 25 08:01
MinceRmaking it elevate automaticallyJun 25 08:01
DaemonFCAlways Notify is more tolerable than Vista's behaviorJun 25 08:02
DaemonFCbecause Vista's Secure Desktop was slower to come upJun 25 08:02
ender2070you're a noob for even knowing thisJun 25 08:02
MinceRnotify :)Jun 25 08:02
MinceR[ Your system is being owned. [ OK ] ]Jun 25 08:02
DaemonFCthat won't let a script turn UAC offJun 25 08:03
DaemonFCunless you tell it OKJun 25 08:03
ender2070unless i hack itJun 25 08:03
cubezzz"You have come to a sad realization. Cancel or Allow?"Jun 25 08:03
ender2070being windows I doubt the memory address randomizesJun 25 08:03
MinceRare you sure you know all the security holes disguised as features so you can turn them all off?Jun 25 08:03
DaemonFCWindows has ASLRJun 25 08:04
DaemonFCVista's is broken thoughJun 25 08:04
Chips_B_Malroywindows is all about trojans.  windows is all about the masses getting their software from P2P with something extra because to put it plainly, most cannot afford to buy it all.Jun 25 08:04
DaemonFCthere's also DEP, which is a Microsoft term for enforcing the No Execute bitJun 25 08:04
DaemonFCI made that mandatory for all processesJun 25 08:04
ender2070theres also custom rootkitsJun 25 08:04
MinceRgot to make up a new name to make it seem as if it was invented thereJun 25 08:05
ender2070ones people dont spread aroundJun 25 08:05
Chips_B_Malroyany os can have trojans, but the windows system is conductive to trojansJun 25 08:05
MinceReven though Linux had those features ages before the retards at m$ realized they could be done at allJun 25 08:05
DaemonFCit's best to make DEP mandatory and whitelist anything that bombs out that you know is OKJun 25 08:05
ender2070daemonfc - ms doesnt release security updates for no reason, they are fixing attack vectorsJun 25 08:06
Chips_B_Malroyits best to not use windowsJun 25 08:06
ender2070yeah its best to use something based on unixJun 25 08:07
ender2070GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Solaris, etcJun 25 08:07
DaemonFCTorvalds tries to deny, minimize, and blame others as wellJun 25 08:08
DaemonFCwhen security problems are discovered in LinuxJun 25 08:08
DaemonFCincluding ones that were there for yearsJun 25 08:08
DaemonFCegotisticalJun 25 08:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Financial crisis of Spain as a bargaining chip for getting rid of Spanish resistance in EU patent: http://ur1.ca/0d1v1Jun 25 08:09
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DaemonFCalso, I've seen a few sites hosted on Linux get mutilated, one case even had the attackers taunting the site for using LinuxJun 25 08:10
DaemonFCsaying they didn't want to reveal everything for fear of losing vulnerabilities that would be fixed if they revealed themJun 25 08:10
DaemonFC:)Jun 25 08:10
Chips_B_Malroythe point is, nothing is perfect, or completely secure.  But the windows system of sercurity is a complete joke.Jun 25 08:11
DaemonFCso I don't doubt that Linux has many vulnerabilities that are well known and widely exploited within certain circles that are not being fixedJun 25 08:11
DaemonFCthere was one revealed publicly last year that eas even more dangerous if you were using SELinuxJun 25 08:12
DaemonFC*wasJun 25 08:12
ender2070OpenBSD is very secureJun 25 08:12
DaemonFCthat's almost as bad as when a piece of Windows malware can hijack your antivirus softwareJun 25 08:12
Chips_B_Malroyin the end, its always windows computers that I get to clean the malware out of, not nix machinesJun 25 08:13
DaemonFCit's because Windows systems end up in the hands of everyoneJun 25 08:13
DaemonFCincluding idiotsJun 25 08:13
DaemonFCit's like anything that goes out to the general populationJun 25 08:13
cubezzzthat's partly because windows uses are dumb :)Jun 25 08:13
ender2070yesJun 25 08:13
DaemonFCyou can't make an honest comparison with a niche OS that a self-selected group of nerds usesJun 25 08:13
ender2070so are mac usersJun 25 08:13
DaemonFCI want to see what would happen if Ubuntu went out on every systemJun 25 08:14
DaemonFChow long it took for it to be swimming in malwareJun 25 08:14
MinceRseriously... you're comparing a system that has security holes _as supposed features_ to Linux?Jun 25 08:14
DaemonFChow long would Ubuntu last with Windows marketshare?Jun 25 08:14
MinceRuac, remote threads, autostartJun 25 08:14
DaemonFCbefore it needed thigns like antivirusJun 25 08:14
DaemonFCnot longJun 25 08:15
DaemonFCnot even a weekJun 25 08:15
Chips_B_Malroycubezzz> that's partly because windows uses are dumb :):"  now some are, but if MS had set up proper sercurity with a limited user account by default, would not have things been better for its users?Jun 25 08:15
ender2070bsJun 25 08:15
MinceRubuntu is still more secure than winblowsJun 25 08:15
MinceRand it's compatible with more reasonable distrosJun 25 08:15
DaemonFCif you could buy Linux systems at Walmart or most other places in the real worldJun 25 08:15
cubezzzI don't trust closed source OSesJun 25 08:15
DaemonFCthey would be swimming in malwareJun 25 08:15
MinceRso you get to run your apps on a distro of your choice while the masses use ubuntuJun 25 08:15
ender2070you canJun 25 08:15
cubezzzWalmart did sell Linux boxesJun 25 08:15
ender2070dumbassJun 25 08:15
DaemonFCit will go after what everyone is usingJun 25 08:15
DaemonFCthat happens to be WindowsJun 25 08:16
Chips_B_Malroyso how is more to blame, dumb users, or the greedy company that gave them a wide open by design/default admin system?Jun 25 08:16
ender2070you're the biggest idiot in the worldJun 25 08:16
MinceRwindows happens to be insecure by designJun 25 08:16
DaemonFCLinux has almost no real world exposureJun 25 08:16
ender2070everyone is using linux for _servers_ you fucking toolJun 25 08:16
MinceRyeah, it's not like most servers run GNU/LinuxJun 25 08:16
DaemonFCyou can't go to any store and buy itJun 25 08:16
ender2070you think they can't keep hackers out?Jun 25 08:16
MinceRthat's no exposure at all, right?Jun 25 08:16
DaemonFCor a system with itJun 25 08:16
DaemonFCwell, it won't be popular until it's sold with systems in stores people shop atJun 25 08:16
cubezzzI can buy Linux at my local computer store if I wantJun 25 08:16
DaemonFCit's not popular cause it's not middlewareJun 25 08:17
ender2070daemonfc - i can order dell's with linuxJun 25 08:17
DaemonFCyou can, like a netbook and one laptopJun 25 08:17
DaemonFCif you know where to goJun 25 08:17
DaemonFCthey hide that part of their siteJun 25 08:17
DaemonFCand recommend WindowsJun 25 08:17
ender2070my xps m1330 came with linuxJun 25 08:17
cubezzzDell is garbage anywayJun 25 08:17
MinceRthere are some OEMs that sell computers only with GNU/LinuxJun 25 08:17
DaemonFCI don't think Dell really countsJun 25 08:17
DaemonFCtwo laptops on a hidden siteJun 25 08:17
MinceR(they're minor though)Jun 25 08:17
ender2070i dont think anyone really cares about your opinion anyways daemonfc, you've demonstrated you know next to nothing about hardware and softwareJun 25 08:18
DaemonFCmost people who buy a computer don't know what Windows isJun 25 08:18
DaemonFCmost people using Windows don't know what it isJun 25 08:18
DaemonFCit is the computerJun 25 08:19
ender2070desktop computerJun 25 08:19
DaemonFCLinux doesn't exist if it doesn't come with mainstream computersJun 25 08:19
ender2070servers are mainstreamJun 25 08:19
tessierLinux is running in zillions of phones nowJun 25 08:19
DaemonFCnot for home PCsJun 25 08:19
ender2070home PCs are not the only pcsJun 25 08:19
tessierLInux is infrastructure. That is probably where operating systems in general are headed.Jun 25 08:19
DaemonFCtessier: Linux is invisible middleware on phonesJun 25 08:19
DaemonFClike Windows is on PCsJun 25 08:19
tessierDaemonFC: Yep.Jun 25 08:19
DaemonFCnobody knows or cares what it isJun 25 08:19
DaemonFCit worksJun 25 08:19
DaemonFCthe endJun 25 08:19
tessierDo we really need them to?Jun 25 08:20
ender2070daemonfc knows nothingJun 25 08:20
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> to be fair, Linux gets more exposure outside of the USAJun 25 08:20
DaemonFCmeh, it's kind of scary when your radiologist claims he has purchased rogue antivirus softwareJun 25 08:20
DaemonFCand called some place in India trying to get a refundJun 25 08:20
DaemonFCbut that's what a normal person that goes and buys a computer deals withJun 25 08:21
DaemonFCit's jsut social engineeringJun 25 08:21
ender2070thats why stupid people gravitate to appleJun 25 08:21
DaemonFCbut the funny thing is this guy is educated and making a lot of moneyJun 25 08:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Linux, the Numbers - http://bit.ly/c69O21 interesting stats about the GNU/Linux port of OsmosJun 25 08:21
TechrightsTitle: Hemisphere Games    Linux, the Numbers  .::. Size~: 34.87 KBJun 25 08:21
ender2070shiny things that do really cool stuff!Jun 25 08:21
ender2070each generation has new adapter plugs so you need to buy your cords all over againJun 25 08:22
DaemonFCI don't know why anyone would give their credit card to something that just "appeared" out of nowhere round about the same time they pulled up that porn siteJun 25 08:22
DaemonFCpeople are dumb I guess, even smart onesJun 25 08:23
ender2070people are paying money to *pretend* to drink beer on their iPhoneJun 25 08:23
DaemonFChell if I can explain anyoneJun 25 08:23
MinceRwell, sometimes the cords melt themselves so you need to buy new ones anywayJun 25 08:23
cubezzzhahaJun 25 08:23
cubezzzokJun 25 08:23
ender2070sometimes batterys just melt your device or make it burst into flames, thats when its time to upgradeJun 25 08:23
DaemonFCnow the fake antivirus is naming itself Security Essentials 2010Jun 25 08:23
MinceRand it's a "feature" the fanboys fap toJun 25 08:24
DaemonFCthat's just hilarious, but I guessed it was only a matter of timeJun 25 08:24
DaemonFCender2070: Yes, speaking of DellJun 25 08:24
MinceRwell, if the hypePhone explodes there might be no user left to upgrade itJun 25 08:24
MinceRbut that's an advantage reallyJun 25 08:24
DaemonFCspontaneous laptop combustion Jun 25 08:25
DaemonFCthen it starts raining fishJun 25 08:25
DaemonFCwho tell you to buy Security Essentials 2010Jun 25 08:25
DaemonFC:)Jun 25 08:25
ender2070hopefully the first malfunction sterilizes the yuppyJun 25 08:25
DaemonFCyou mean, you hope it's in his lap when the battery explodes?Jun 25 08:25
Chips_B_Malroyare you really sure its a fake antivirus, it could be Microsoft's new name for its renamed falled antivirus/antimalware programs, this week's rename that is.Jun 25 08:25
ender2070that iBurns!Jun 25 08:26
DaemonFCyeah....Jun 25 08:26
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: They only "renamed" it onceJun 25 08:26
DaemonFCand it's not the same thingJun 25 08:26
DaemonFCand if you're too much of a retard to make sure you're on the real site before downloading it, you deserve the fake avJun 25 08:26
MinceRdoes it find gator again or it still thinks it's legitimate? :>Jun 25 08:26
DaemonFCdoes Gator exist anymore?Jun 25 08:27
Chips_B_Malroycool web searchJun 25 08:27
MinceRthe binaries might still be around somewhereJun 25 08:27
MinceRand with m$'s support, claria might have well survivedJun 25 08:27
Chips_B_Malroyor died on the phoneJun 25 08:28
Chips_B_Malroyon holdJun 25 08:28
MinceRnot that kind of "support" :)Jun 25 08:28
Chips_B_MalroyMS support is in India now, isn't it?Jun 25 08:28
MinceRthey support malware everywhereJun 25 08:28
ender2070pretty sureJun 25 08:28
MinceRmalware on every deskJun 25 08:29
ender2070one of the first things msft does is make sure that windows is compatible with all the viruses out thereJun 25 08:29
DaemonFChttp://keznews.com/7177_Testers_get_first_Windows_7_SP1_beta_buildJun 25 08:29
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DaemonFCSP1 is 1.22 GB?Jun 25 08:30
DaemonFCdamn Jun 25 08:30
MinceRjust a tiny little patchJun 25 08:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The economics of openDemocracy - http://bit.ly/bEsFCC how can we support public goods?Jun 25 08:30
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DaemonFCMinceR: Windows Update will download just the stuff you don't already haveJun 25 08:30
cubezzzgee, what does the patch do, replace the OS?Jun 25 08:31
DaemonFCand this is for 5 different languages apparentlyJun 25 08:31
Chips_B_Malroythat ought to bring the internet to its knees, when sp1 gets in autoupdatesJun 25 08:31
DaemonFCcubezzz: The redists have every fix released so farJun 25 08:31
DaemonFCnoJun 25 08:31
MinceRi know, m$ hasn't "invented" proper i18n yetJun 25 08:31
DaemonFCthe auto update will be about 100 megsJun 25 08:31
DaemonFCor soJun 25 08:31
MinceR(that is, they haven't yet looked at how gettext works)Jun 25 08:31
DaemonFCif thatJun 25 08:32
MinceRso they build separate binaries for each languageJun 25 08:32
DaemonFCVista SPs were only like 60-70 MB if you already were up to dateJun 25 08:32
DaemonFCthe standalones are about 600-700 MBJun 25 08:32
DaemonFCthey fit on a CD :)Jun 25 08:32
MinceRthat's really nice for a patch, not bloated at all :>Jun 25 08:33
Chips_B_Malroywonder how long it will take to install that monster?Jun 25 08:33
Chips_B_Malroyprobaly it will be seamless, without any glitchesJun 25 08:33
Chips_B_MalroylolJun 25 08:33
DaemonFCabout 20-30 minutes if you hit it with the standalone on a fresh installJun 25 08:34
DaemonFCwhat pisses me off is that there's no way to slipstream service packs anymoreJun 25 08:34
MinceRhow many reboots?Jun 25 08:34
Chips_B_Malroybut who will use a fresh install right away?Jun 25 08:34
DaemonFCMincer 2-3 usuallyJun 25 08:34
MinceRanyone who wants their malware preinstalledJun 25 08:34
Chips_B_Malroylater on yesJun 25 08:34
MinceRand typical usersJun 25 08:35
MinceRso nobody, really :>Jun 25 08:35
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> just buy it when it comes out already Jun 25 08:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ASP (anti-patent troll company) will resell patents to trolls after 12 months: http://ur1.ca/0d2i8Jun 25 08:35
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Chips_B_Malroycould you still slipstream Jun 25 08:35
Chips_B_MalroyVista?Jun 25 08:35
Chips_B_MalroyI did it with XP and 2003Jun 25 08:36
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy: No supported way to slipstream with VistaJun 25 08:36
DaemonFCVista used WIMsJun 25 08:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Dear #Google, in order to gain trust I expect Full Disclosure when you do this http://is.gd/d3b4t #Android #BigbrotherJun 25 08:36
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DaemonFCyou had to use something like vliteJun 25 08:36
DaemonFCand vlite set a registry key that blocked service packsJun 25 08:37
DaemonFCMicrosoft looks for that key before offering you oneJun 25 08:37
DaemonFCso even if you change nothing else, vlite still sets that keyJun 25 08:37
DaemonFCand you must delete it after Windows is installed from that discJun 25 08:37
Chips_B_Malroyno hacks?Jun 25 08:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Dear #Google - can we haz public App Revocation List in future? Just like for certificates? http://is.gd/d3bcPJun 25 08:37
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DaemonFCI don't believe soJun 25 08:37
DaemonFCI don't like WIM imagesJun 25 08:38
Chips_B_Malroyobviously MS can do it, so it can be done, someone will figure out a wayJun 25 08:38
DaemonFCyour best bet is to wait til someone with a technet or MSDN subscription leaks the integrated setup onto bittorrentJun 25 08:38
DaemonFCand MD5 sum it to make sure it's the real deal before burning the discJun 25 08:38
DaemonFCMicrosoft releases the MD5 sums publicallyJun 25 08:39
Chips_B_Malroyno the best way is to not ever use Vista or 7Jun 25 08:39
DaemonFCyeah, MSDN and Technet get the integrated ISOsJun 25 08:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Plan for the day: Work hard, Mark Knopfler Concert, Kamerakino Concert. MeLikes.Jun 25 08:39
DaemonFCso I just got my Vista with SP2 disc off TechnetJun 25 08:39
DaemonFCbeats fumbling around with the SP after setting up WindowsJun 25 08:40
DaemonFChmnmm, Windows Live Essentials is forcing Silverlight on you in 2010 Wave 4Jun 25 08:40
DaemonFCno asking, just installs itJun 25 08:41
Chips_B_MalroyAdobe should sue MS for doing thatJun 25 08:42
DaemonFCoh my godJun 25 08:42
Chips_B_MalroyantitrustJun 25 08:43
DaemonFCyuckJun 25 08:43
DaemonFCyou guys have to see thisJun 25 08:43
DaemonFCthe main window now taks half your screenJun 25 08:43
DaemonFCand shoves more ads in your faceJun 25 08:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] UK Journalists unite to stop WikiLeaks block law http://bit.ly/9CBJrDJun 25 08:43
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DaemonFChmmm, you can restore the old lookJun 25 08:44
DaemonFCit's jsut not obviousJun 25 08:44
DaemonFCthey try to shove MSN/Bing spam in there by defaultJun 25 08:44
Chips_B_Malroyanother reason to dump windose, bing being shoved on youJun 25 08:46
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schestowitz[08:19] <DaemonFC> tessier: Linux is invisible middleware on phonesJun 25 08:59
schestowitzThat's why Nokia, for example, codes more of Linux than NovellJun 25 08:59
schestowitzThose phones necessitate improvements in Linux for everyone to enjoyJun 25 08:59
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DaemonFChehJun 25 09:01
DaemonFCWebM does work in IE 9 if you have a VP8 and Vorbis codecs for Windows Media PlayerJun 25 09:01
*DaemonFC is playing around with the 3rd previewJun 25 09:02
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schestowitzWait..Jun 25 09:04
schestowitzDidn't they require you install stuff?Jun 25 09:05
schestowitzI heard on an oggcast they only pretend to support webmJun 25 09:05
schestowitzwhere by "support" they mean "we allow a plugin to be installed"Jun 25 09:05
DaemonFCschestowitz: I have VP8 and Vorbis codecs for DirectShow anywayJun 25 09:05
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pro-Copyright abuse knows no bounds http://ur1.ca/0ca3e #ascapJun 25 09:05
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] If this gamepad was out for the PC, I'd buy it http://ur1.ca/0d38lJun 25 09:05
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DaemonFCIE 9 simply uses those in its player Jun 25 09:06
DaemonFCschestowitz: Apparently it will use any video and audio codecs you have installedJun 25 09:07
DaemonFCit's just that Directshow in Windows 7 only has MPEG and Windows Media codecs by defaultJun 25 09:08
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DaemonFCschestowitz: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4449/33331213.pngJun 25 09:12
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Apparently they won't STOP it from working, IF you go find your own decodersJun 25 09:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Risky Behaviors and Online Safety: A 2010 Literature Review - http://bit.ly/cN5EP5 draft version: comments welcomeJun 25 09:16
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DaemonFCschestowitz: IE 9 preview also makes you install 3 hotfixes that Microsoft is not advertising otherwiseJun 25 09:18
DaemonFCbut they have KB articles for them allJun 25 09:18
DaemonFChttp://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=5CAB4415-7C87-4713-B3E1-22E0168E3C7B&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=4331306e-0f40-4e4c-8a26-66547bb81aea&displaylang=en http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=B607F3EE-61EF-4069-97C6-D8A8B90B40A5&displaylang=enJun 25 09:19
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DaemonFCapparently they had to soup up Media Foundation to support their HTML 5 playerJun 25 09:20
cubezzzfound the diagnostic disk for the ancient computerJun 25 09:21
cubezzzit can do 640x480 256 colour Jun 25 09:24
cubezzzwhat does that tell me about video memory, hmmmJun 25 09:25
cubezzzvideo ram size 512K, I was rightJun 25 09:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How the Performance of the US Health Care System Compares Internationally, 2010 Update - http://bit.ly/cvvipY UK not too shabby #healthcareJun 25 09:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facebook Unleashes Open Graph Search Engine, Declares War On Google - http://bit.ly/9RDQOF surely not really competitive...yet #facebookJun 25 09:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Death in Pompeii - http://bit.ly/ccOSUm amazing analysis of instant death caused by 250°C hot surges at a distance of 10 km from VesuviusJun 25 09:35
schestowitzThe gulf may be getting messed up, DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lye-AYsIMZ4Jun 25 09:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Celebrating the best of open-source - http://bit.ly/diLgmO new biennial prize offered through Auckland University; for NZers, presumablyJun 25 09:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @DirDigEng Costs and other data about UK central government websites on data.gov.uk http://bit.ly/cGBfjV >>good to see more info #ogovJun 25 09:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Why I can never become an Apple Fanboy? Because I don't wanna learn how to hold the iPhone4. Either it works - or not. http://is.gd/d3fNQJun 25 09:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Salesforce countersues MSFT wrt patents. Sigh. http://is.gd/d3gjN #patentwarJun 25 09:54
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgmnD4Z-_PUJun 25 10:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @pvilela: CE dá 2 meses a Portugal para implementar lei que visa melhorar eficácia do recurso nos contratos públicos http://bit.ly/diUEj2Jun 25 10:11
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DaemonFChttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/980846Jun 25 10:12
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DaemonFClolJun 25 10:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @piracy_: EU secretly pushing to put kids in jail for sharing music http://bit.ly/c8TcV0 #acta #leakJun 25 10:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Gostava de saber a opinião da Gabriela Canavilhas sobre estes desvios a Estados de direito democrático.Jun 25 10:23
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MinceRgeekingsJun 25 10:38
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3tH2jFaFW4Jun 25 10:39
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DaemonFChttp://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20008810-264.htmlJun 25 10:49
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DaemonFChttp://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/06/red-hat-linux-has-a-close-rela.htmlJun 25 10:50
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DaemonFCcreepyJun 25 10:50
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Seems nobody can get the right balance between "Lots of features and confusing" and "Take all control away from the user"Jun 25 10:57
DaemonFChttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jun/22/convenience-food-changes-saves-livesJun 25 10:58
TechrightsTitle:  Convenience food changes could save 'thousands of lives' | UK news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 205.54 KBJun 25 10:58
MinceRthe right balance seems to be mostly "the user has a clue and isn't confused by reasonable interfaces" :>Jun 25 10:58
DaemonFCschestowitz: From the same people that brought you 'second hand smoke"?Jun 25 10:58
MinceRi thought those were the smokersJun 25 10:58
DaemonFCMinceR: Nobody can prove second hand smoke does anythingJun 25 10:58
DaemonFCyet they state that thousands of people die of it every yearJun 25 10:58
DaemonFCwho are these people?Jun 25 10:59
DaemonFCnamesJun 25 10:59
DaemonFCexact body countJun 25 10:59
MinceRi'd guess it does the same thing first hand smoke doesJun 25 10:59
MinceRexcept obviously the filter is ineffective and the smoke is more dispersedJun 25 10:59
DaemonFCright, but with no scientific evidence that it causes anything or kills anyoneJun 25 10:59
DaemonFCthey make up false claimsJun 25 10:59
DaemonFCwith made up numbersJun 25 10:59
DaemonFCMinceR: There's people that smoke 2-3 packs a day, directly, that live for 40-50 years of thatJun 25 11:00
DaemonFCsitting beside someone in a bar for 2 hours is not going to kill youJun 25 11:00
MinceRwhat doesn't kill you only makes you...stranger?Jun 25 11:01
DaemonFChttp://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154265Jun 25 11:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] EU Panel shows sign of intelligence in these times of ignorance :-) Opt-Out as default. Full ACK from me! http://is.gd/d3l1cJun 25 11:05
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DaemonFCMinceR: How does paying people to not work and handing out millions of dollars to NASCAR and the MPAA help the US economy?Jun 25 11:06
DaemonFCIs it just me who has a problem swallowing this?Jun 25 11:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Economist Readers' Awards 2010 - http://bit.ly/90zjAP what a surprise, they don't include the key innovation: sharing and open collaborationJun 25 11:06
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DaemonFCWho the hell is still unemployed after 2 years who has honestly been looking for work?Jun 25 11:08
DaemonFC6 month, OKJun 25 11:08
MinceRi don't know your situation but it does sound badJun 25 11:08
DaemonFC1 year, alright I guessJun 25 11:08
DaemonFCMinceR: As much as I hate to agree with the Republicans here, I doJun 25 11:08
DaemonFCthey're absolutely right to block this billJun 25 11:08
DaemonFCbut I doubt they're doing it to avoid frivolous handouts to big businessJun 25 11:09
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DaemonFCMinceR: They're saying, if you pay people to be unemployed, they'll be less inclined to look for workJun 25 11:10
DaemonFCand I'm sure there's some truth in tharJun 25 11:10
DaemonFC*thatJun 25 11:10
DaemonFCno matter how bad the economy isJun 25 11:10
DaemonFCif you know that you don't have to do anything, and you're making 80% of what you were anyway, the pressure is kind of offJun 25 11:10
MinceRoffering communal work for payment should work betterJun 25 11:11
DaemonFCMinceR: You mean putting them to work doing something for the publicJun 25 11:11
DaemonFCinstead of sitting on their assJun 25 11:11
DaemonFCif they're going to collect a check every week anywayJun 25 11:11
DaemonFCyes, I think that would be prudentJun 25 11:11
DaemonFCObama is trying to compare himself to FDRJun 25 11:12
oiaohmDepends how much BS you have to put up with to get the money.  DaemonFCJun 25 11:12
DaemonFCFDR didn't hand out "I don't wanna work" checksJun 25 11:12
DaemonFChe had people grab shovels and build the Hoover Dam for christs sake! :PJun 25 11:12
MinceRDaemonFC: indeed. some people were trying to do that hereJun 25 11:13
oiaohmLike it can be required for me to do 16 hours a week for nothing to get the goverment payment.Jun 25 11:13
oiaohmAlso if sick you must go to the doc or you are not sick.Jun 25 11:13
DaemonFCoiaohm: You know what you have to do here, in Indiana, to keep the unemployment checks coming?Jun 25 11:13
DaemonFCApple for 3 jobs a weekJun 25 11:14
oiaohmOnly 3Jun 25 11:14
DaemonFCjust find time in your "busy" scheduleJun 25 11:14
MinceRapply, not appleJun 25 11:14
DaemonFCand fill in 3 job appsJun 25 11:14
DaemonFCyeahJun 25 11:14
DaemonFCapplyJun 25 11:14
DaemonFC3 job apps, takes about an hourJun 25 11:14
oiaohmI have to do at least 4 and that is if I am in a bad employment area.Jun 25 11:14
DaemonFCthen you have the rest of the week to goof offJun 25 11:14
oiaohmReal phone able job applications.Jun 25 11:14
oiaohmSo you have to do way more than 4.Jun 25 11:15
DaemonFCMinceR: It's common for people to apply for ridiculous jobs they know they'd never be hried forJun 25 11:15
DaemonFCjust to fill their quotaJun 25 11:15
DaemonFC*hiredJun 25 11:15
oiaohmAlso doing that here does not count.Jun 25 11:15
oiaohmYou must apply for jobs you possible could do.Jun 25 11:15
oiaohmIf you don't you are in big trouble of no money for 12 weeks.Jun 25 11:16
DaemonFCoiaohm: You "possibly" could get a job behind the perfume counter at Penney'sJun 25 11:16
DaemonFCthey don't give those jobs to men, but they can't say they don'tJun 25 11:16
DaemonFCget what I mean?Jun 25 11:16
oiaohmHere that is still 12 weeks.Jun 25 11:16
oiaohmBecause employer tells you that you application was rejected as not suitable.Jun 25 11:16
DaemonFCoiaohm: And you can still blow the interview on purposeJun 25 11:17
oiaohmSo you cannot count it.Jun 25 11:17
DaemonFCand that still countsJun 25 11:17
oiaohmBlow interview on purpose and it proven.Jun 25 11:17
oiaohm2 yearsJun 25 11:17
oiaohmYes you better be sure you can do it and not get caught.Jun 25 11:17
oiaohm2 years no payments.Jun 25 11:17
DaemonFCthere's basically no requirements here once you're on unemployment, to stay on it until the government decides to stop paying youJun 25 11:18
DaemonFCthat used to be 6 monthsJun 25 11:18
oiaohmHere goverment will not stop paying you as long as you play by rules.Jun 25 11:18
oiaohmBut break a rule payments stop instantlyJun 25 11:18
oiaohmEven worse the can ask for everything you have been payed back.Jun 25 11:19
DaemonFCoiaohm: Also, if you're on callback status, you don't have to look for workJun 25 11:19
oiaohmWith interest and worst part declaring bankrupt does not clear that debtJun 25 11:19
DaemonFCso I used to work at a place where I volunteered to be laid off every so oftenJun 25 11:19
DaemonFCget a month or two of paid time off basicallyJun 25 11:19
oiaohmHeck call back status does not count here.Jun 25 11:20
DaemonFCI didn't feel like I was cheating anyone, cause your employer has to pay higher unemployment premiums if they do thatJun 25 11:20
DaemonFCso they're covering it, not the governmentJun 25 11:20
oiaohmA guy was leaving the county in 2 weeks and by the australian laws he still had to apply.Jun 25 11:20
oiaohmFailing todo so could see is visa canseled.Jun 25 11:20
oiaohmAustralian rules are ouch.Jun 25 11:21
DaemonFCoiaohm: There was a mayor in the southern part of Indiana who was also a landlordJun 25 11:21
DaemonFChe evicted a bunch of tenants illegally and it made the newsJun 25 11:21
DaemonFCthe cameras caught the guys he hired stealing property of the people he evictedJun 25 11:22
DaemonFCand they found out that one of them was on unemploymentJun 25 11:22
DaemonFCand anotehr one was on permanent disabilityJun 25 11:22
DaemonFCand they were out there moving heavy furniture and ripping these people off :PJun 25 11:22
oiaohmHas happened here.Jun 25 11:22
oiaohmAs well.Jun 25 11:22
oiaohmWorst case the thugs kicking tenants had the police standing watching happened a long time ago.  Does not happen today.Jun 25 11:23
DaemonFCyeah, the only time the landlord can get the sheriff out is if he needs help enforcing an eviction orderJun 25 11:24
DaemonFCstate law says that he has to leave your property in there for 10 daysJun 25 11:24
DaemonFCand if he moves it, he's in troubleJun 25 11:24
DaemonFChe has to let you come get itJun 25 11:24
DaemonFCif you leave it there longer than 10 days past eviction,l it's all hisJun 25 11:24
DaemonFCeviction is kind of a nasty processJun 25 11:25
DaemonFCIndiana has two kinds of evictionJun 25 11:25
DaemonFCthere's eviction, which takes 30 days of nonpayment to fileJun 25 11:25
DaemonFCand there's "Immediate Possession" which you can file after 14 daysJun 25 11:25
DaemonFCdoes the same thing, it's just called Immediate Possession instead of EvictionJun 25 11:26
MinceRand can be ended with an Exorcism?Jun 25 11:26
DaemonFCthis guy just waited until the people weren't at home and he had some movers come over and rip off all their stuff and change the locksJun 25 11:26
DaemonFC:PJun 25 11:26
DaemonFCmy lease says landlord can change locks and cut utilities after 10 days, but state law prevailsJun 25 11:27
DaemonFCI'd like to see him do itJun 25 11:27
DaemonFCI could sue him if he didJun 25 11:27
DaemonFCthe law says I have 14 days to pay him before he can even begin the processJun 25 11:28
DaemonFCMinceR: I think the funniest thing that ever happened to me was when I was renting off this slumlord when I was really really poor, and when I got some money, I decided to move outJun 25 11:30
DaemonFCthis place was awful, since pane windows that leaked all the heat outJun 25 11:30
DaemonFC*singleJun 25 11:30
DaemonFCwildlife invasionJun 25 11:30
DaemonFC(wasps, a possum got in one day)Jun 25 11:30
DaemonFC:PJun 25 11:30
DaemonFCdrug dealers and weirdos for other tenantsJun 25 11:30
DaemonFCreal diveJun 25 11:31
DaemonFCif I plugged too many things in at once, I'd blow the circuit breaker and have to go to the basement of the building and reset it (the box was in another unit)Jun 25 11:31
DaemonFCI didn't even have a contract to live there, I was just paying this guy cash every weekJun 25 11:32
DaemonFCso I move out one day, then he calls me and tells me that he's going to sue me if I don't pay him rent "until I find someone to move in there"Jun 25 11:32
DaemonFCI laughed at him and hung upJun 25 11:32
DaemonFCif that wasn't the worst year of my life, it was the runner upJun 25 11:33
DaemonFC:)Jun 25 11:33
DaemonFCMinceR: That's why I hate people on welfareJun 25 11:33
DaemonFCI was working for a paycheck and living worse than any of themJun 25 11:34
DaemonFCI was living worse than them, and paying them, out of my taxesJun 25 11:34
DaemonFCthat's why I don't like to hear people saying they can't find a job after two years :)Jun 25 11:35
DaemonFCthey can, they just have an I don't wanna work-acheJun 25 11:35
DaemonFCMinceR: These people find ways to layer different forms of welfare and live on thatJun 25 11:36
DaemonFCso it might not even sound like they get that much money, but with food stamps, subsidized rent, etc., they don't need itJun 25 11:37
DaemonFCright, speaking of doing things that I don't want to do that must be done if I want to eat, I'll bbiabJun 25 11:38
DaemonFCuggghJun 25 11:38
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cubezzzwell, finally got X working betterJun 25 11:45
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cubezzzstil haven't quite got the mouse working yet :-/Jun 25 11:58
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cubezzzha ha!Jun 25 12:03
cubezzzgot it Jun 25 12:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] BBC Trust approves Project Canvas - http://bit.ly/bJQIaZ anyone know how this will play with open source? #bbcJun 25 12:04
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cubezzznot bad, not badJun 25 12:05
cubezzznow I know what the ati28600 chip doesJun 25 12:05
oiaohmPower management ? cubezzzJun 25 12:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Linux User Space File Systems, #Btrfs Benchmarks http://ur1.ca/0d8mv http://ur1.ca/0d8mzJun 25 12:15
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cubezzz ati vga wonder with 512K :)Jun 25 12:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] As #Linux Grows Bigger, New Policies Form in Kernel Space http://ur1.ca/0d8nmJun 25 12:16
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cubezzzplus I also that the monitor can only go up to 640x480Jun 25 12:17
cubezzznot sure about the card thoughJun 25 12:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Linux T-Shirt Winner Announced at the #Linux Foundation http://ur1.ca/0d8nx http://ur1.ca/0d8nyJun 25 12:17
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cubezzzI think I finally got xpaint working tooJun 25 12:19
cubezzzyes it's workingJun 25 12:22
cubezzzfeels a bit weird working with 2.2 but I'm getting used to itJun 25 12:23
cubezzznow I need some sort of image viewerJun 25 12:23
cubezzzI can't imagine how primitive linux 1.0 wasJun 25 12:24
cubezzzdon't have any recollection of using X with 1.0Jun 25 12:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Cursors Artwork for X/ #Linux , South Park Tux http://ur1.ca/0d8rk http://ur1.ca/0d8rlJun 25 12:25
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cubezzzthis is almost as spartan as LFSJun 25 12:33
oiaohmNo X11 with Linux 1.0Jun 25 12:42
oiaohmUsed it.Jun 25 12:42
oiaohmRecently.Jun 25 12:42
oiaohmYes insane what you find in some really old hardware.Jun 25 12:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lots of #Games News for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/0d91r http://ur1.ca/0d91u http://ur1.ca/0bim2 http://ur1.ca/0d91yJun 25 12:44
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cubezzzreally?Jun 25 12:44
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cubezzzyou used Linux 1.0 recently?Jun 25 12:45
cubezzzbut X predates LinuxJun 25 12:45
cubezzzbut all I remember from 0.94 was ncurses stuffJun 25 12:45
oiaohmX11 interfaces were not in 1.0Jun 25 12:46
oiaohmThose came latter.Jun 25 12:46
cubezzzwell that explains why I don't remember using X thenJun 25 12:46
oiaohmI personally was shocked to find it.Jun 25 12:47
oiaohmThinking I found it in a old milling machine.Jun 25 12:47
oiaohmAge I was thinking freebsd or something closed source.Jun 25 12:47
cubezzzI have yggdrasil somewhere :)Jun 25 12:47
oiaohmOpps bsdJun 25 12:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Graphics Stack in #Linux Gets More Mature, X.Org Server 1.9 is Near http://ur1.ca/0d95m http://ur1.ca/0d95n http://ur1.ca/0d95oJun 25 12:47
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cubezzznow can I use X11 forwarding on this old linux I wonderJun 25 12:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Games Developer: "21% of all our customers have at least clicked on the #Linux download link." http://ur1.ca/0d9b0Jun 25 12:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 3.5 is Still Alive, KDE SC 4.4 Goes on http://ur1.ca/0d9cq http://ur1.ca/0d9cr http://ur1.ca/0d9cuJun 25 12:51
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oiaohmhttp://www.thevarguy.com/2010/06/24/red-hat-ceo-predicts-vmware-will-suffer-suns-fate/  << interesting forcast from RedhatJun 25 12:52
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cubezzzI told you old KDE was betterJun 25 12:52
cubezzzseems a lot of folks agree with meJun 25 12:52
oiaohmcubezzz: 4.5 is now entering the stablistation stage.Jun 25 12:52
oiaohm3.0 to 3.5 was a kind of a roll a coaster as well.  cubezzzJun 25 12:53
cubezzzI can't really agreeJun 25 12:54
cubezzzI'm still using 3.4.2Jun 25 12:54
cubezzzit works fineJun 25 12:54
oiaohmI wish the plasma developer would take on what I saidJun 25 12:55
oiaohmLot of the plasma crash out would be fixed if they did.Jun 25 12:55
oiaohmSplit the different interpt into different processors.Jun 25 12:55
oiaohmSo one dies is not all plasma down.Jun 25 12:56
cubezzzor how about just use KDE < 3.5? :)Jun 25 12:56
cubezzzsimpler yes?Jun 25 12:56
cubezzzoh sorry, I should say use KDE <= 3.5.10Jun 25 12:56
oiaohmReally long term no.Jun 25 12:57
oiaohmIt is possible to run kwin in kde4 without plasmaJun 25 12:57
cubezzzsure, why not, I have KDE sourceJun 25 12:57
oiaohmQT 3 will die.Jun 25 12:58
cubezzzummm, no, I have the libraries Jun 25 12:58
oiaohmOr at least become worse and worse over time against newer X11 servers.Jun 25 12:58
cubezzzit won't die for meJun 25 12:58
oiaohmName the most hated thing about 4.xJun 25 12:58
cubezzzit's dog slowJun 25 12:59
oiaohmIs that strange for something having features addedJun 25 12:59
oiaohmAnd cleanup not started.Jun 25 12:59
cubezzzit's overly elaborate alsoJun 25 12:59
cubezzzI really draw the line at KDE 3.5Jun 25 13:00
oiaohmRemove plasma would get rid of lot of the elaborateJun 25 13:00
oiaohmAlso lot of the speed hit.Jun 25 13:00
cubezzzif it had a 3.5 mode and ran fast, I would have no objection to itJun 25 13:01
oiaohmReally a 3.5 mode is what you guys should be targeting.Jun 25 13:01
oiaohm3.5 simply cannot be kept working well forever.Jun 25 13:01
cubezzzI got my 3.4.2 set up perfectJun 25 13:01
cubezzzplus as a coreboot person I use a lot of older hardwareJun 25 13:01
MinceR4.x cannot be kept working eitherJun 25 13:02
oiaohmQT3 is what is going to kill you.Jun 25 13:02
MinceRplasma-desktop is unreliableJun 25 13:02
oiaohmOne bit is 90 percent of KDE 4 problems.Jun 25 13:02
MinceRand kwin can't do compositing properly if plasma-desktop isn't runningJun 25 13:02
cubezzzyou know, icewm runs OK on a 486 with 16 megs Jun 25 13:02
cubezzznow I have two screens, and it's cheapJun 25 13:03
cubezzzssh into the server, it's pretty niceJun 25 13:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Time to Move to #Mandriva #Linux , Investor Found http://ur1.ca/0da91 http://ur1.ca/0da93Jun 25 13:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Eucalyptus Becomes Fake 'Open Source' http://ur1.ca/0dahc http://ur1.ca/0dahe http://ur1.ca/0dahgJun 25 13:15
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MinceRhttp://okli.tumblr.com/photo/1280/734306688/1/tumblr_l4kj99fHbi1qa4ksgJun 25 13:16
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DaemonFChttp://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15368861Jun 25 13:46
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DaemonFC"Salinas parents accused of trying to sell baby for $25"Jun 25 13:46
DaemonFCparents are wonderfulJun 25 13:46
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5huqCj2Z9b1SXUdLhTLKnCTQmvcowD9GHV9O80Jun 25 13:48
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DaemonFCfirst off, it's WalmartJun 25 13:48
DaemonFCtry going $24.87Jun 25 13:48
DaemonFC:)Jun 25 13:48
DaemonFCmakes your child seem like a bargainJun 25 13:48
DaemonFCsecond, only in California could being intoxicated on meth be a misdemeanorJun 25 13:49
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DaemonFChttp://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225701374&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_NewsJun 25 13:52
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DaemonFCyour tax dollars at workJun 25 13:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Original 'Echelon' secret UK-US spookery treaty published - http://bit.ly/92N1SN question is, what is #Echelon doing *today*? #spyingJun 25 13:56
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oiaohmhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-Mini-100e-Education-Edition/  Small machines not going away.Jun 25 13:57
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DaemonFChttp://newsfeed.time.com/2010/06/25/fda-nixes-coffee-as-an-aphrodisiac/Jun 25 14:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 'Biggest thing in farming for 10,000 years on horizon' - http://bit.ly/biIZOI unless it's patented, in which case it will become seed rentalJun 25 14:00
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oiaohmhttp://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_74  Yep he is trouble as normal.Jun 25 14:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android's Malicious Features Discussed http://ur1.ca/0dcmu http://ur1.ca/0celq http://ur1.ca/0dcmvJun 25 14:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based #Android 2.2 Code Out http://ur1.ca/0dco3 http://ur1.ca/0celpJun 25 14:03
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MinceRthat idiotic android blog disables scrolling if scripts are disabled.Jun 25 14:04
MinceRgoogle against web standards yet again.Jun 25 14:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks to Run #Linux / #Android , #Ubuntu on #ARM http://ur1.ca/0dcr0 http://ur1.ca/0dcrjJun 25 14:05
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DaemonFChttp://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20008347-10391704.htmlJun 25 14:12
TechrightsTitle: Anti-Rape Condoms (PICTURE): Will Jagged Teeth Deter World Cup Sex Assaults? Rape-aXe Hopes So - - CBS News .::. Size~: 66.02 KBJun 25 14:12
DaemonFC""The mother of two daughters said she visited prisons and talked to convicted rapists to find out whether such a device would have made them rethink their actions," CNN reported. "Some said it would have."Jun 25 14:12
DaemonFCwhat did the others say?Jun 25 14:12
DaemonFCthat they wouldn't mind having their penis trapped in something that won't let them pee until they see a doctor and get arrested by the police?Jun 25 14:13
DaemonFChttp://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/06/21/fbi-says-new-phone-scam-targets-your-bank-account/Jun 25 14:14
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DaemonFChttp://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/06/21/2010_failed_states_index_interactive_map_and_rankingsJun 25 14:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Revealed: How 'zero-grazing' is set to bring US-style factory farming to Britain - http://bit.ly/ag10zE so retrogressive (via @AquteIntel)Jun 25 14:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What Makes #FreeSoftware Projects Immortal http://ur1.ca/0ddkv a Look at Seeks http://ur1.ca/0ddkyJun 25 14:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NZ Herald on "Celebrating the best of open-source" http://ur1.ca/0ddob http://ur1.ca/0ddocJun 25 14:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] High-End #Visualization the Open Source Way http://ur1.ca/0ddsi http://ur1.ca/0ddslJun 25 14:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] G20 Summit cops get police-state powers - http://bit.ly/ajGail "police officer’s statement under oath is considered conclusive evidence"Jun 25 14:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Branson: Free/Open Source Software is "Actually Very Pro-business." http://ur1.ca/0ddu6Jun 25 14:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Upcoming/Ongoing #FOSS Events (ctd.): http://ur1.ca/0de05 http://ur1.ca/0de0bJun 25 14:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Gov 2.0 Down Under: Australia and open government - http://oreil.ly/bdTxiM well, we knew that; but useful summary #ogov #australiaJun 25 14:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Debate Over #FSF Freedom and So-called 'Pragmatism' http://ur1.ca/0bvnt http://ur1.ca/0deg9 http://ur1.ca/0dega http://ur1.ca/0degbJun 25 14:43
TechrightsTitle: New Ground on Terminology Debate? - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 21.37 KBJun 25 14:43
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TechrightsTitle: I love it here  » Gno and Gyes campaigns - About positive Free Software campaigning .::. Size~: 38.63 KBJun 25 14:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FOSS Project Releases: ZAAAM, Typo3, Midgard2, ownCloud http://ur1.ca/0deh9 http://ur1.ca/0dehd http://ur1.ca/0dehf http://ur1.ca/0ccseJun 25 14:45
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TechrightsTitle: online communities and free desktops: ownCloud 1.0 is here .::. Size~: 70.87 KBJun 25 14:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Governments in EU Likely to Follow Stricter Free/Standards-based Procurement to Reduce Lock-in http://ur1.ca/0dej3Jun 25 14:47
TechrightsTitle: Kroes to beef up scrutiny of EU digital industry  | EurActiv .::. Size~: 41.17 KBJun 25 14:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware in Education, Inspiring Other Fields http://ur1.ca/0deki http://ur1.ca/0dekj http://ur1.ca/0dekl http://ur1.ca/0dekmJun 25 14:49
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TechrightsTitle: PLoS ONE: Open Access to the Scientific Journal Literature: Situation 2009 .::. Size~: 117.47 KBJun 25 14:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Openness/Sharing Culture: Latest New Examples http://ur1.ca/0dem2 http://ur1.ca/0dem3 http://ur1.ca/0dem4 http://ur1.ca/0dem5Jun 25 14:51
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TechrightsTitle: Open Knowledge Foundation Blog  » Blog Archive   » Why Share-Alike Licenses are Open but Non-Commercial Ones Arent .::. Size~: 36.97 KBJun 25 14:52
TechrightsTitle: Shareable: The Sharing Industry Keeps Growing with Weeels, Closest Closet .::. Size~: 43.47 KBJun 25 14:52
TechrightsTitle: Open Clip Art Library Launches Logo Design Contest! | Worldlabel Blog .::. Size~: 21.5 KBJun 25 14:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Widespread agreement that Justice Stevens is writing the Court’s opinion in Bilski: http://ur1.ca/0depmJun 25 14:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Disturbing interview with Wired-FBI-informant/journalist Adrian Lamo http://bit.ly/9YOtLTJun 25 15:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Biosphere bookkeeping - http://bit.ly/9ardLB this is critically important, and should be a priority #externalities #economicsJun 25 15:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF Standard Has New Support Additions From KDE/OdfKit, #lpOD http://ur1.ca/0df07 http://ur1.ca/0df09Jun 25 15:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Calls to Resist #ACTA , New Leak http://ur1.ca/0df0z http://ur1.ca/0df10 http://ur1.ca/0cbmnJun 25 15:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital Economy Act Resisted, Lessons From #DMCA http://ur1.ca/0df1t http://ur1.ca/0df1v http://ur1.ca/0df1w #debillJun 25 15:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Group of Volunteers Equips Hundreds With #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/0dfd3 http://ur1.ca/0dfd4Jun 25 15:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Dell Increases Support of #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/0dfd5 http://ur1.ca/0dfd7 HP: http://ur1.ca/0dfd8Jun 25 15:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] The Australian on Daniel Ellsberg - Bradley Manning http://bit.ly/b3PgRqJun 25 15:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Stepping Twice Into The Same River - http://bit.ly/c5xEVf long but fantastic analysis of academic publishing - and what will happen to itJun 25 15:47
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schestowitz[14:04] <MinceR> that idiotic android blog disables scrolling if scripts are disabled.Jun 25 15:53
schestowitzYeah! So it's not just me :-)Jun 25 15:53
schestowitz[14:04] <MinceR> google against web standards yet again.Jun 25 15:54
schestowitzGoogle  *IS* the standardJun 25 15:54
schestowitzAre they still spewign ugly HTML for SERPs? I think they fixed itJun 25 15:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] iDoh! http://tinyurl.com/369z7mbJun 25 15:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Audiocasts: TuxRadar, Linuxcrazy, SFLS, FLOSS http://ur1.ca/0dfpk http://ur1.ca/0dfpl http://ur1.ca/0bcrg http://twit.tv/floss125Jun 25 16:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks The Australian on Daniel Ellsberg - Bradley Manning http://bit.ly/b3PgRq > support wikileaksJun 25 16:05
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/37810260#notice-38048778 "just not pro-monopoly (imo, monopoly is anti-business anyway... anti-most-business, at least!)"Jun 25 16:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Wikipedia of news translation: Yeeyan.org’s volunteer community - http://bit.ly/do9NRI important site #china #translationJun 25 16:14
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schestowitzRe: London teens arrested in relation to £7.8m cyber crimeJun 25 16:15
schestowitz> The Police Central e-Crime Unit questions two teenagers believed to beJun 25 16:15
schestowitz> involved in an 8,000 member online cyber crime forum ..Jun 25 16:15
schestowitz> Jun 25 16:15
schestowitz> Malware available over the forum included the password-stealing ZeusJun 25 16:15
schestowitz> Trojan, while compromised data harvested by others using The trojanJun 25 16:15
schestowitz> was also on sale.Jun 25 16:15
schestowitz> Jun 25 16:15
schestowitz> http://www.channel4.com/programmes/kerry-and-me/4od#3082652Jun 25 16:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Xnoise for Multimedia, #VLC 1.1.0 is Out http://ur1.ca/0dg0i http://ur1.ca/0dg0j http://ur1.ca/0dg0kJun 25 16:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nvidia Driver for #Linux Improved, New One Released http://ur1.ca/0dg0h http://ur1.ca/0axajJun 25 16:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Development of the UK Government Licensing Framework - http://bit.ly/a4UXkm "non-transactional, free, will promote innovation and openness"Jun 25 16:30
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] My boss is going over my internet logs thanks to @leftyJun 25 16:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Microsoft is Very Slow News on the Last Few Days” http://ur1.ca/0dgbb Chips B. Malroy comments on the state of #Microsoft ’s businessJun 25 16:38
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Chips_B_MalroyHi allJun 25 16:41
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/xbox-360-slim-overheating-issues-already-appearing/Jun 25 16:42
TechrightsTitle: Xbox 360 Slim Already Having Overheating Issues? | Video Game Blog, Video Game Reviews, Video Game News .::. Size~: 45.86 KBJun 25 16:42
Chips_B_Malroy"  The Xbox 360 Slim which was announced and released during this year’s E3 might already be having problems.  Images have been discovered on a Forum showing an Xbox 360 Slim with what is believed to be the “Red Dot of Death”. The Forum, NeoGaf has not confirmed whether or not the images are 100% real, but the images posted show one of the Xbox 360 Slim with the RDOD, and another image showing the error message on Jun 25 16:42
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://gamersyndrome.com/2010/xbox-360/microsoft-responds-360-slims-red-dot-claims/Jun 25 16:43
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft Responds To 360 Slim's "Red Dot" Claims | Video Game Blog, Video Game Reviews, Video Game News .::. Size~: 36.74 KBJun 25 16:43
Chips_B_Malroya very generic responce, and no denial I can seeJun 25 16:43
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/salesforce-retaliates-sues-microsoft-for-alleged-patent-infringement/6673Jun 25 16:44
TechrightsTitle: Salesforce retaliates; sues Microsoft for alleged patent infringement | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 123.71 KBJun 25 16:44
Chips_B_MalroySoftware patent wars are crazy, but only the lawyers like them.  Well maybe Judges as well, as Judges were lawyers first before becoming Judges.Jun 25 16:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Programs/Games on #Linux , #Skype Pretends to be Open http://ur1.ca/0dgl2 http://ur1.ca/0dgl4Jun 25 16:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Applications for Education in #GNU #Linux Servers, #CloudLinux Find New Server Partners http://ur1.ca/0dgkx http://ur1.ca/0dgkzJun 25 16:50
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TechrightsTitle:   Education Apps in GNU/Linux at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 28.1 KBJun 25 16:51
TechrightsTitle: Romanian Hosting Provider CH-Center Hosting To Partner with Cloud Linux Inc  .::. Size~: 22.72 KBJun 25 16:51
schestowitzHi, Chips_B_MalroyJun 25 16:52
Chips_B_MalroyHi RoyJun 25 16:52
Chips_B_MalroyI had a better link last night for the Xbox360 slim problemsJun 25 16:53
Chips_B_Malroyor maybe different oneJun 25 16:53
Chips_B_Malroyit might be too early to tell if still overheating problem en mass like before, but sure lots of comments about the slim running hotterJun 25 16:54
Chips_B_Malroythan the old oneJun 25 16:54
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I know about that linkJun 25 16:55
Chips_B_Malroynot sure how that could be, with a small process cpu and gpu.  But leave it up to MS to screw it up.Jun 25 16:55
schestowitzI have it queuedJun 25 16:55
schestowitzI wait for the IRC logs to be put up before postingJun 25 16:55
schestowitzAs I want to link to themJun 25 16:55
schestowitzI added the 2 newer links you have put hereJun 25 16:56
schestowitzBut I'm working on other stories ATMJun 25 16:56
schestowitzBTW, did you see the channel I showed you?Jun 25 16:56
schestowitzIt showed disclosure disaster in NevadaJun 25 16:56
Chips_B_MalroyI watched some of the oil spill video, if that was the oneJun 25 16:57
Chips_B_MalroyMS just doesn't seem to get it.  Selling defective XBox360's over and over again, no matter how good the warrenty, is making people mad.  They have to take time to call them in, send them back, and wait for replacements.  After you do this more than one time, you might not consider buying other MS products as well.Jun 25 17:00
MinceRsome idiots do it over and over againJun 25 17:00
Chips_B_MalroyRyan is one example, he went through 8 of themJun 25 17:00
Chips_B_MalroySorry, did not see you comment MinceR.  I did not mean to imply Ryan is an Idiot, had that typed before your commentJun 25 17:01
MinceR:>Jun 25 17:01
Chips_B_MalroyHe got rid of his, which was smart. Jun 25 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If #Ardour Chooses Not to Support #Windows , #Microsoft Might Do It http://ur1.ca/0dgsr #audio #freesoftwareJun 25 17:04
TechrightsTitle: If Ardour Chooses Not to Support Windows, Microsoft Might Do It | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.41 KBJun 25 17:04
hazzyThen they would have to release it under the GPL, right?Jun 25 17:09
Chips_B_MalroyI would guess anybody could do it, including MS, if they follow the terms of the license.Jun 25 17:13
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Chips_B_MalroyThe question is what does Ardour do that MS software is not doing, to make them want it?  Besides obvious malware in WMP and bugs that might not be in ArdourJun 25 17:15
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hazzyYeh, I dunno why Ardour particularlyJun 25 17:15
Chips_B_Malroyor is it just sour grapes on MS part when they see open source software not being ported to windoseJun 25 17:15
Chips_B_MalroyMS might becoming scared of becoming irrelaventJun 25 17:16
hazzyAnd eh, people would take that as Microsoft's validation of the GPL, rather than their "shared source" or whateverJun 25 17:17
MinceRm$ already released code under GPLJun 25 17:18
MinceRthat hyperv crap patchJun 25 17:19
hazzyOh, right, good pointJun 25 17:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Sued by Andrew J. Maxwell (for marchFirst) http://techrights.org/2010/06/25/marchfirst-and-novell/Jun 25 17:20
TechrightsTitle: Quick Mention: Novell Sued by Andrew J. Maxwell (for marchFirst) | Techrights .::. Size~: 93.11 KBJun 25 17:20
Chips_B_MalroyMS wants open source software to be ported to windows.  While there are many people who use bogus software on their windows computers, dispite the trojan problems, there are also many who have to have legit software.  Those who only use legit software on windows, tend to use a lot of open source software.  If open source software stopped porting to windows, MS would be in danger of losing some of these.Jun 25 17:22
Chips_B_MalroyA considerable market share percentage, IMOJun 25 17:23
hazzyAgreedJun 25 17:23
hazzySCOTUS said Bilski will be decided MondayJun 25 17:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Let's Make "The Open University" Truly Open - http://bit.ly/agyFc7 it does Microsoft certifications, why not Red Hat and Ubuntu too? #ouJun 25 17:25
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Chips_B_MalroySeems like most of the MS News is Bing/IE9 promotions dressed up as puff piece news advertisements for MS by its bribed shills these days.Jun 25 17:29
Chips_B_MalroyI guess free laptops go a long way for the bucks.Jun 25 17:29
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hazzyIt just drives their costs upJun 25 17:30
hazzyMicrosoft's, that isJun 25 17:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] Multi-Audio in OGV? http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/2010-June/004039.htmlJun 25 17:35
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hazzyApparently, IE9 will support canvasJun 25 17:39
Chips_B_MalroyIE9 will support malwareJun 25 17:41
hazzyHaha, yesJun 25 17:41
hazzyThat tooJun 25 17:41
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1719294/intel-ship-x86-android-22-summer  "It's an important step that will have Microsoft looking nervously over its shoulder, as it will see Google's mobile OS, already very popular on smartphones, moving to the PC standard x86 architecture."Jun 25 17:44
TechrightsTitle:                     Intel will ship x86 android 2.2 this summer - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 58.43 KBJun 25 17:45
Chips_B_MalroyChrome OS could be the smoke screen to hide the fact that Android is the real problem competition for MS on Smartbooks/tablets.  Never mind phones, MS is already dead there.Jun 25 17:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Desktop News, #GTK Themes, and #Glippy http://ur1.ca/0dhco http://ur1.ca/0dhcp http://ur1.ca/0dhcrJun 25 17:46
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TechrightsTitle: Top 30 Dark Gnome Themes GTK 2.x «  LinuxNov .::. Size~: 57.43 KBJun 25 17:46
TechrightsTitle: Glippy - Simple Clipboard Manager with Image Support | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 73.33 KBJun 25 17:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] List of Megadrive Emulators for GNU/Linux, #Linux Game Publishing (LGP) Still Active http://ur1.ca/0dhcm http://ur1.ca/0dhcnJun 25 17:47
TechrightsTitle: [Phoronix] Linux Game Publishing: "We Are Very Much Alive" .::. Size~: 17.56 KBJun 25 17:47
hazzyGlippy? Is that not in the Ubuntu repos?Jun 25 17:48
hazzyOh, I suppose notJun 25 17:49
hazzyEhhJun 25 17:49
hazzyIt has a mono dependancyJun 25 17:49
hazzyNot getting itJun 25 17:49
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Chips_B_Malroymon is a diseaseJun 25 17:53
Chips_B_MalroyMonoJun 25 17:53
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hazzyYes, I removed it from my installation first thingJun 25 17:54
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Chips_B_Malroya disease named after a diseaseJun 25 17:57
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.ecommerce-journal.com/node/28539  "I'd add that everyone at Microsoft who talks to me tells me that Ballmer does not, I repeat does not, want to hear anything he doesn't want to hear. He's about as capable of changing his course as the Titanic on its way to its fateful date with an iceberg."Jun 25 18:00
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Chips_B_MalroySJVNJun 25 18:00
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Chips_B_Malroy"“It's not going to happen though. As I said to Foley, "I wonder when they'll have the guts to admit (read fire) that Ballmer can't cut it." Her reply was "Never. That is never going to happen." After some thought, I can see her point. Ballmer has no effective opposition either within Microsoft or on its board."Jun 25 18:01
Chips_B_MalroyThats the good part for open source, Ballmer will stay and drag down MS.Jun 25 18:02
Chips_B_MalroyLike nobody else can.Jun 25 18:03
hazzyI dunno, if they keep threatening Linux with patents...Jun 25 18:03
Chips_B_MalroyUnless Gates turns on his friend, I don't see Ballmer leaving.Jun 25 18:04
Chips_B_MalroyBut then, Gates has turned on his friends before, just look at Paul Allen.Jun 25 18:05
Chips_B_MalroyMoney does strange things to people.Jun 25 18:05
hazzyYes it does, though I don't understand whyJun 25 18:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat ’s #Microsoft Collaboration Without Software Patents; Forrester Bribed http://ur1.ca/0dhnl #Forrester #swpats #propagandaJun 25 18:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Large-scale Comparisons of #GNU #Linux Distributions http://ur1.ca/0dho6 http://ur1.ca/0dho7Jun 25 18:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] on the way to Mark Knopfler concert!Jun 25 18:17
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://ibm-thinkpad-notebooks.com/ourmodels_page.php?man=IBM  here is a place selling a lot of its used laptops with Ubuntu on it, not all.  Is this a sign that Linux is becoming more accepted?Jun 25 18:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Cisco Grows Closer to #GNU #Linux Through #RedHat http://ur1.ca/0diem http://ur1.ca/0diepJun 25 18:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @hessiej Mobile Banking Usage to Double by 2013 http://is.gd/d3PHoJun 25 18:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facebook Uses BitTorrent, and They Love It - http://bit.ly/97iA5m another great data point #facebook #bittorrentJun 25 18:53
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sebsebsebMinceR:  Jun 25 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Chumby, the Next Generation - http://bit.ly/bgCclp good to see it progressing #chumbyJun 25 18:59
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Chips_B_MalroyI am also seeing more and more used computers on ebay being sold with Linux on them.  This in the USA of all places.Jun 25 19:00
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.businessinsider.com/another-take-on-microsoft-the-management-style-is-all-wrong-2010-6Jun 25 19:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @glynmoody errrrm. The chumby one is not really new. ...Jun 25 19:03
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.electronista.com/articles/10/06/11/former.ms.offiicial.says.staff.ranks.too.bloated/Jun 25 19:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @jwildeboer how much "not really new"...?Jun 25 19:04
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Chips_B_MalroyI think those cuts will sadly be forecoming at MS if this trend of non-proformance continues.Jun 25 19:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #RedHat Spreads Free/Libre Virtualisation With #KVM in #Linux http://ur1.ca/0diw5 http://ur1.ca/0diwiJun 25 19:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patents Roundup: EU Patent Deform, MPEG-LA, OIN, New Zealand, and Patent Trolls http://ur1.ca/0djfq #swpatsJun 25 19:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] It is all about the Unity Love - http://is.gd/d3RBD #ubuntu :-)Jun 25 19:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back home from work.....after work tomorrow I'll be making a long journey.....but I'll be taking my beloved HTC with me!!!Jun 25 19:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on Patents: Monopolies on Life/Genes, Mathematics/Algorithms http://ur1.ca/0djpr #swpats #patentsJun 25 19:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and of course I'll have IRC and email too!Jun 25 19:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Patents a Trick Related to Web Browser Tabs and #Apple Attacks #Linux With Junk #Patents http://ur1.ca/0dk51 #swpatsJun 25 19:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @glynmoody i got mine 5 months ago.Jun 25 19:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] From the comments: "It is possible to work with Microsoft and not sell your soul. Die Novel." http://ur1.ca/0dkerJun 25 19:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Quentin Tarantino feeling at Mark Knopfler concert. Coolness in the summer sun.Jun 25 19:51
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schestowitz[17:29] <Chips_B_Malroy> I guess free laptops go a long way for the bucks.Jun 25 19:53
schestowitzGoogle bribes podcastersJun 25 19:53
schestowitzAs I understand it, DiBona gave a phone to Linux OutlawsJun 25 19:53
schestowitzFabs asked them for one thoughJun 25 19:53
schestowitzAfter they had given one to jono_Jun 25 19:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Hardware Support/Breath for #Linux Improves http://ur1.ca/0dkq8 http://ur1.ca/0dkq9Jun 25 20:02
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I completely missed the news about headcut modest propositionJun 25 20:04
schestowitzThey could start bt cutting all kin/mobile staffJun 25 20:04
schestowitzThen xboxJun 25 20:04
schestowitzBongJun 25 20:04
schestowitzLiveJun 25 20:04
schestowitzZune..Jun 25 20:04
schestowitzAnd so onJun 25 20:04
schestowitzOffice and Windows still make some coins, due to lockinJun 25 20:05
schestowitzBut OEMs abandon that too, graduallyJun 25 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody @jwildeboer new to meJun 25 20:06
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Chips_B_MalroyRoy> yes if MS got rid of all the unprofitable stuff you described, it would only have Windows and Office left.  So cutting 40k would be easy.Jun 25 20:11
schestowitzmsft-mini suggested the sameJun 25 20:12
schestowitziircJun 25 20:12
schestowitzcringley said 50,000 over a year agoJun 25 20:12
Chips_B_MalroyAlso, moving jobs to India/China for 1/10th to 1/20th of the cost of Redmond based employees, is like cutting them.Jun 25 20:13
schestowitzmini-msftJun 25 20:13
schestowitznot msft-miniJun 25 20:13
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: they do that too, don't forget visasJun 25 20:13
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schestowitzparalegals for Microsoft have been made IndianJun 25 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] sultans of swing. Yeah!!Jun 25 20:13
schestowitzWipro helps the relocationJun 25 20:13
Chips_B_MalroyWell, this is the future of MS, as long as Ballmer stays at the helm.Jun 25 20:14
Chips_B_MalroyHe will cut back gradually, and save his favorite losing projects first.  Bing is his favorite, and Bill's too.Jun 25 20:15
schestowitzNot just MicrosoftJun 25 20:16
schestowitzIBM tooJun 25 20:16
schestowitzIt's a US problemJun 25 20:16
schestowitzSending jobs abroadJun 25 20:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Took 1h to clear customs at Washington Dulles. Welcome to America! In the taxi now, #ALA here I come!Jun 25 20:16
Chips_B_Malroyyes, IBM may be well ahead of MS in relocating its employees overseas.  Jun 25 20:17
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x3spE_X47IJun 25 20:17
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schestowitzThis guy's videos are rather spookyJun 25 20:17
schestowitzThey show some of the poorer corners and the homelessJun 25 20:18
schestowitzYou can't find much of that in Murdoch's tabloidsJun 25 20:18
Chips_B_MalroyIts really bad here, I knowJun 25 20:19
schestowitzTo tell with Google...Jun 25 20:19
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schestowitzhttp://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/06/froyo-code-drop.htmlJun 25 20:19
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schestowitzI can't scroll down without their spywareJun 25 20:19
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/security/70253.htmlJun 25 20:20
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schestowitzI find that handy, I'll admitJun 25 20:20
schestowitzBut its effect on privacy is spookyJun 25 20:21
schestowitzNext thing you know they'll be done 3-D imagingJun 25 20:21
schestowitzThen they'll sign up volunteers to let them do it inside people's homeJun 25 20:21
schestowitzAnd nutters will stalk people's houses that wayJun 25 20:22
Chips_B_MalroyEven where I live, there is a shopping center 80% done chained off left that way.  Apts 90% done same way,  shopping center also repo'ed by the city and chained linked offJun 25 20:22
Chips_B_MalroyEchalon (spelling?) started, blue up the old STardust and stopped, Lady Luck downtown started remodelling, banks stopped credit, its been sitting vacant for 3 yearsJun 25 20:24
Chips_B_MalroyThere is no recovery here, it just gets worseJun 25 20:26
Chips_B_MalroyVegas used to be immune to recessionsJun 25 20:26
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: bad bet, eh?Jun 25 20:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia to Target Tablets With GNU/Linux, Not Just Phones http://ur1.ca/0dlob http://ur1.ca/0dlod http://ur1.ca/0dlogJun 25 20:28
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Chips_B_Malroyit makes no economic sense to complete building projects to 80 or 90% and then stop.  Where is the return on that?  How can you rent out apts. or stores in a shopping center that way?Jun 25 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Nokia Shifts Focus to More Software (Including #Linux ), Still Delivers #Maemo http://ur1.ca/0dloc http://ur1.ca/0dloeJun 25 20:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Sultans of swing beats #wclive for me.Jun 25 20:30
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/37851477#notice-38081913 "when swpatent lawyers fire this bs off to each other, i think they should make "pew! pew!" noises and finger guns"Jun 25 20:31
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: maybe they went on and on thinking they would finish before going bust?Jun 25 20:32
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: indeed, it's also a waste when banks possess empty houses on their sheets for govt. benefit while some people live in tentsJun 25 20:33
Chips_B_MalroyThe next housing bubble is about to happen here in the USA.  The Banks will be back at the public handouts for more soon.Jun 25 20:33
schestowitzMy uncle might have to sell hisJun 25 20:33
schestowitzmove to a condoJun 25 20:33
schestowitzIt all seemed so inconceivable just 10 years agoJun 25 20:34
schestowitzPoor people became brokeJun 25 20:34
schestowitzAverage people became poorJun 25 20:34
schestowitzRich people hang onJun 25 20:34
schestowitzAnd billionaire may have become just poor millionairesJun 25 20:35
schestowitzBillG doesn't pay taxJun 25 20:35
Chips_B_MalroyWell, europe now deciding to spend wisely is not going get us out of this depressionJun 25 20:35
schestowitzNeither do corps like Microsoft and IntelJun 25 20:35
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I didn't know about the wording until recentlyJun 25 20:35
schestowitzI though depression was rated worse than depressionJun 25 20:36
schestowitzThen I heard it was just a renamignJun 25 20:36
schestowitzEuphemism of sortsJun 25 20:36
schestowitzRecess=pause (implying it will resume)Jun 25 20:36
schestowitzAnd there was a word before depression, I can't recall whichJun 25 20:36
Chips_B_Malroynot really, but their defination is flawed like the unemployment figuresJun 25 20:36
schestowitzDepression became a dirty word after WW2Jun 25 20:36
schestowitzSame with the word "propaganda" which was used freely before the Nazis used itJun 25 20:37
Chips_B_Malroyso they won't ever call it a depression,if you get my meaningJun 25 20:37
schestowitzI can't remember where I read about US terminology for the financial termsJun 25 20:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I have a sneaking suspicion that my local Chinese restaurant have nicknamed me "No Zucchini Boy".Jun 25 20:37
Chips_B_Malroybut the truth is, we are in a DepressionJun 25 20:37
schestowitzStart of itJun 25 20:38
schestowitz2 years inJun 25 20:38
schestowitzSome say since 2007Jun 25 20:38
Chips_B_Malroyat least here in VegasJun 25 20:38
schestowitzIt took 10 years between Wall Street crash and the World WarJun 25 20:38
schestowitz16 years until nuking JapanJun 25 20:38
schestowitzPeople naturally think of the war as a quick affairJun 25 20:38
Chips_B_Malroybut now, we already have 2 wars to stimulate the economyJun 25 20:39
schestowitzNot 6 years, which is like a whole eraJun 25 20:39
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: noJun 25 20:39
schestowitzIt's funded by Chinese credit cardsJun 25 20:39
Chips_B_Malroysmall warsJun 25 20:39
schestowitzAnd it keeps jobs on these loansJun 25 20:39
schestowitzLockheed et alJun 25 20:39
schestowitzI heard Boeing has cut down jobs even in WichitaJun 25 20:39
schestowitzBoeing has only about as many employees as Microsoft nowJun 25 20:40
schestowitzWould on Earth would buy planes now?Jun 25 20:40
schestowitz*hoJun 25 20:40
schestowitz*whoJun 25 20:40
schestowitzMaybe the militaryJun 25 20:40
schestowitzBombers and stuffJun 25 20:40
Chips_B_Malroyour next republican prezJun 25 20:40
schestowitzConventional war makes more jobsJun 25 20:41
schestowitzSo after Japan, Korea, other wars the US looked more into conventionalJun 25 20:41
schestowitzLike Reagan and VietnamJun 25 20:41
Chips_B_Malroyyes, still its too bad we cannot find something better to spend money onJun 25 20:41
schestowitzThey discovered some chemical stuff (patents) by testing on VietnameseJun 25 20:41
schestowitzI can't recall if it was DDTJun 25 20:41
schestowitzSOmething which IIRC Monsanto now uses for profitJun 25 20:41
Chips_B_MalroyAgent OrangeJun 25 20:42
schestowitzMany inventions come from the militaryJun 25 20:42
Chips_B_MalroyNapalmJun 25 20:42
schestowitzHuge spendings, sometimes half of the world's scientistsJun 25 20:42
schestowitzMoon mission=rockets for nukesJun 25 20:42
schestowitzTeflon...Jun 25 20:42
schestowitzThen they use this publicly-funded stuff to give private patents to companiesJun 25 20:42
schestowitzTefal?Jun 25 20:43
Chips_B_MalroyIn many ways the space program was a cover for building nuclear missles, at least in the early yearsJun 25 20:43
schestowitzVon Braum was paid to do his games for the Nazi warJun 25 20:43
schestowitz*BraunJun 25 20:44
schestowitzOr so he saysJun 25 20:44
schestowitzTo hide his Nazi agendaJun 25 20:44
schestowitz"I was just playing with rockets... blah blah..."Jun 25 20:44
Chips_B_Malroybut he was 'our' Nazi laterJun 25 20:44
Chips_B_Malroyjust like the Soviets go theirsJun 25 20:44
Chips_B_MalroygotJun 25 20:45
schestowitzI thought they used spies to get the US knowledgeJun 25 20:45
Chips_B_Malroyblind patrismJun 25 20:45
schestowitzAbout nuclear weaponsJun 25 20:45
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yeahJun 25 20:46
schestowitzSome get the noose, some become national heroes in foreign soilJun 25 20:46
Chips_B_Malroylook at how far Bush got with torture in GitmoJun 25 20:46
schestowitzI guess Werner was lucky to be charismatic and too 'handsome' for public hanging :-SJun 25 20:46
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Heh.Jun 25 20:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 160,000 Applications for #Linux / #Android Sold Per Day http://ur1.ca/0dm6z http://ur1.ca/0dm70Jun 25 20:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based #Motorola #DroidX is Coming Out, Source Code Available http://ur1.ca/0dm75 http://ur1.ca/0dm76Jun 25 20:46
Chips_B_Malroyand then you start to see how it happened in Germany many years agoJun 25 20:46
schestowitzBushJun 25 20:46
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schestowitzBush and his gang...Jun 25 20:47
schestowitzMaybe the US could save trillions without this 'war' on terror~1Jun 25 20:47
Chips_B_MalroyHe wasn't one of the most evil onesJun 25 20:47
schestowitzSome people admire Bush, stillJun 25 20:47
schestowitzThey'd say he was the best pres. everJun 25 20:48
Chips_B_Malroyit can happen anywhere, given the right times and leadersJun 25 20:48
schestowitzThen they can blame Clinton for the depressionJun 25 20:48
schestowitzArrogance makes hawksJun 25 20:48
schestowitzSo they voted for hawksJun 25 20:48
schestowitzThen humbled in depression (2008)Jun 25 20:48
schestowitzPalin could be the next Pres.Jun 25 20:49
Chips_B_Malroythe United States has usually responded strongly to being attackedJun 25 20:49
schestowitzBy whom?Jun 25 20:49
Chips_B_MalroyI doubt Palin, reallyJun 25 20:49
schestowitzIsolated people from like 7 natoins?Jun 25 20:50
schestowitzThe US got attacked by dogmaJun 25 20:50
schestowitzNot a nation this timeJun 25 20:50
schestowitzNo country is brave enough to tease the USJun 25 20:50
schestowitzThe US would be able to destroy the whole world combined had Russian not had nukesJun 25 20:50
schestowitz*RussiaJun 25 20:51
Chips_B_MalroyIn many ways, Obama is just Bush2Jun 25 20:51
schestowitzCHess broad reversedJun 25 20:51
schestowitz*boardJun 25 20:51
Chips_B_Malroyit still remains to be seen how the Obama health care plays outJun 25 20:52
Chips_B_Malroybut setting it up so that the major stuff does not happen for 4 years worrys me.  Its like, I can get reelected in that time, before it hits the fanJun 25 20:53
Chips_B_MalroyIts not the people of the USA one has to worry about, its the corps that are now controlling the gov hereJun 25 20:54
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N20Y20100624Jun 25 20:54
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: now they can limitlessly invest in campaignsJun 25 20:55
schestowitzAfter the new rulesJun 25 20:55
Chips_B_Malroynot a problem veven before thatJun 25 20:55
schestowitzThey can fully sponsor a new candidate as a group of shared interests, only to serve themJun 25 20:55
Chips_B_Malroyjust use  employees to give to campaigns, MS did this last presidental campaignJun 25 20:56
Chips_B_Malroymany small donations=one big oneJun 25 20:56
Chips_B_MalroyGates was a master of gaming (cheating illegally) the systemJun 25 20:57
Chips_B_MalroyThe system actually worked to a small degree back when Ma Bell got broken up.  Gates totally corrupted it later on.Jun 25 21:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] civil disobidience at Mark Knopfler concert. We are now at the front.Jun 25 21:00
schestowitzWhy the past tense?Jun 25 21:06
schestowitzhe still doesJun 25 21:06
Chips_B_MalroyyesJun 25 21:06
schestowitzhttp://abock.org/2010/06/22/new-favorite-way-to-cook-hot-dogsJun 25 21:07
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schestowitzMon boosterJun 25 21:07
schestowitzhttp://www.bryen.com/some-still-in-the-dark/Jun 25 21:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Brothers in arms. Thunderstotm in the back. Mark knopfler live. Perfect.Jun 25 21:12
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer is counting on MS Office 2010 sales to save profits this year.  How many times can you 'improve' or add bloated features to the same word processor?  At some version, wouldn't you think MS would just get it right, as in its perfect and no other improvements are necessary?  But thats not the model, the model is to sell the same piece of software over and over. Jun 25 21:13
Chips_B_MalroySo really, you can never have the latest version of MS Office, as long as MS makes money on it, there will be another version.Jun 25 21:14
Chips_B_MalroySame with Windows.Jun 25 21:15
Chips_B_MalroyThere is no end to the greed.Jun 25 21:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] so far away! Yeah!Jun 25 21:15
schestowitz>> <Chips_B_Malroy> Ballmer is counting on MS Office 2010 sales to save profits Jun 25 21:18
schestowitzThey use the deferral trickJun 25 21:19
schestowitzSo be prepared to debunk the #sJun 25 21:19
schestowitzlast quarter some news report said they deferred early sales of MSO10Jun 25 21:19
schestowitzThen they need to make LOADS of noiseJun 25 21:19
schestowitzNever to make it again, just riding on the perception that it was "BEST EVER seller"Jun 25 21:20
Chips_B_Malroy"BEST EVER seller" and sayings like: "built from the ground up,"  "most secure ever."  "innovation"  all M$ PR wordsJun 25 21:23
Chips_B_MalroyliesJun 25 21:24
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Chips_B_MalroyWe are at another turning point or tipping point in MS long decline now.  The combination of Apple's market cap passing MS, HP buying Palm and now Dell moving closer to Google.  Kin failing, and CE too.Jun 25 21:26
Chips_B_MalroyThis Xmas season MS may actually see some competition from Google Android and Chrome.Jun 25 21:27
schestowitzApple messd up royallyJun 25 21:27
schestowitzMaybe they'll recall hypePhone 4s?Jun 25 21:27
schestowitzThey harms their imageJun 25 21:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google and #Mozilla Web Browser Rivalry Rises http://ur1.ca/0dnr1 http://ur1.ca/0dnr2 http://ur1.ca/0dnr3 http://ur1.ca/0dnr4Jun 25 21:27
schestowitzPeople see they rushed to marketJun 25 21:27
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schestowitzCause Linux (Android) kicked their arseJun 25 21:28
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schestowitzThey didn't test hypePhones sufficientlyJun 25 21:28
Chips_B_MalroyAnd it could be another turning point in MS history on its road to decline on the desktop.Jun 25 21:28
schestowitzkin7 is coming outJun 25 21:28
schestowitzIt'll be a smashing success, I reckonJun 25 21:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based #Tablets May Beat #hypePad Like #Android Beats #hypePhone http://ur1.ca/0dnqzJun 25 21:28
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schestowitzxbox7 (20) alsoJun 25 21:28
schestowitzAnd of course Zune7 and Bing7Jun 25 21:29
Chips_B_MalroyWill kin7 sell 600 phones?Jun 25 21:29
schestowitzNoJun 25 21:29
schestowitz7 millionJun 25 21:29
schestowitzAfter AstroTurfing from 777 Korean bloggersJun 25 21:30
Chips_B_Malroyper second?Jun 25 21:30
Chips_B_MalroylolJun 25 21:30
schestowitzhttp://asia.cnet.com/blogs/digihunter/post.htm?id=63014448Jun 25 21:30
TechrightsTitle: Microsoft Windows 7 launched in Korea with 777 power bloggers - CNET Asia Blogs: DigiHunter by Kevin (Kilmo) Kang, Korea .::. Size~: 49.18 KBJun 25 21:30
schestowitzThink of a WHOLE SCHOOL of DA COSTASJun 25 21:30
schestowitzToday I saw some trolling in USENETJun 25 21:31
schestowitzAnti-LinuxJun 25 21:31
schestowitzGuess who was citedJun 25 21:31
schestowitz"Mr Dee"Jun 25 21:31
schestowitzFrom CNET :-)]Jun 25 21:31
schestowitzI was tempted to say who he wasJun 25 21:31
schestowitzAnd what he was to MicrosoftJun 25 21:31
schestowitzMac Asay was happy when I told himJun 25 21:31
Chips_B_MalroyMr. Dee was only one of his nymphsJun 25 21:31
schestowitzCause COSTA BOY had harassed Asay at CENETJun 25 21:31
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: maybe he has 777 nymsJun 25 21:32
schestowitzToo bad MJ didn't live to meet those nymsJun 25 21:32
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Chips_B_MalroyAndre (Lucy B) hassasses anyone who is not 100% behind MSJun 25 21:32
Chips_B_MalroyI wonder, Lucy B or Buntu, maybe he just misspelled it, and really meant to call himself/herself Lucy BallmerJun 25 21:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is this really RMS? http://twitter.com/GNU_RMS [via @fcassia ]Jun 25 21:34
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Chips_B_Malroywith that type of gender changing blogging for M$. Andre must be looking for a job at CNET,  He/she will fit right in there.   Or should I say AndreJun 25 21:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Bing and gone? A Microsoft car/engine? Yusuf Mehdi conjures up a disturbing thought http://tinyurl.com/39yzq9a #mvp #microsoft #bing #failJun 25 21:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New IRN-BRU advert - Bruzil - This advert is just genius http://tinyurl.com/3269zyhJun 25 21:38
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schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Malicious-code-on-Lenovo-driver-download-page-1025886.html/from/rssJun 25 21:39
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Chips_B_Malroymore windows malwareJun 25 21:41
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.pc1news.com/news/1486/anti-virus-elite-2010.htmlJun 25 21:50
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MinceRsebsebseb: Jun 25 21:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] #Canadian #teens invited to vote for their favourite books (mine's on the list!) http://craphound.com/?p=2987Jun 25 21:50
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.koco.com/mostpopular/24031441/detail.htmlJun 25 21:50
TechrightsTitle: Cory Doctorows craphound.com  >> Blog Archive   » Canadian teens invited to pick their favorite reads .::. Size~: 18.79 KBJun 25 21:50
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Chips_B_Malroy"NORMAN, Okla. -- The University of Oklahoma is warning students about a security breach that may put their personal information at risk.  The university said its Information Technology department noticed unusual Internet activity on a laptop computer associated with its network. It said it determined the computer belonged to an employee and was infected with a virus known as Zeus or Z-Bod."Jun 25 21:51
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Chips_B_MalroyFew people can actually protect windows from malware, and you can never really trust windows on the internetJun 25 21:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Pls RT! #Canadian #teens invited to vote for their favourite books (mine's on the list!) http://craphound.com/?p=2987Jun 25 21:54
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/10288832.stmJun 25 21:56
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Chips_B_Malroytitle:  South Central Ambulance Service hit by computer virusJun 25 21:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.linux.com/news/embedded-mobile/mobile-linux/321834:android-22-froyo-source-code-available-todayJun 25 22:00
schestowitzNice...Jun 25 22:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Eucalyptus Mixes Proprietary and Free in #SaaS http://ur1.ca/0dp66 http://ur1.ca/0cbx5 http://ur1.ca/0dp67Jun 25 22:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Firefox Has New Releases, No Native Code Allowed http://ur1.ca/0dp64 http://ur1.ca/0dp6b http://ur1.ca/0cb4oJun 25 22:01
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/37866088#notice-38098206 "definitely not - i mean, read the tweets, read the profile- it's funny though. whoever was behind it obviously got bored"Jun 25 22:09
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schestowitz"guess not. The Real RMS is here in Identi.ca . This one must be fake."Jun 25 22:09
schestowitzI thought so...Jun 25 22:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #NoSQL Goes Further Into Free/Libre #Databases Space http://ur1.ca/0dps1 http://ur1.ca/0dps3Jun 25 22:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware Enters #Voting Process in the US http://ur1.ca/0dpsc http://ur1.ca/0dpse http://ur1.ca/0dpsh http://ur1.ca/0dpsiJun 25 22:14
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TechrightsTitle: District of Columbia’s Board of Elections and Ethics Adopts Open Source Digital Voting Foundation Technology to Support Ballot Delivery | Business Wire .::. Size~: 68.49 KBJun 25 22:15
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.praguemonitor.com/2010/06/24/bis-helped-uncover-computer-attack-g20-meetingJun 25 22:15
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Chips_B_Malroyisn't amazing how you can always find something fresh on windows malware/viruses etc?Jun 25 22:16
Chips_B_MalroyI loved posting that kind of stuff on MS WatchJun 25 22:17
Chips_B_Malroyas a public service, of courseJun 25 22:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Giving Away Access Pays Off http://steve-wheeler.blogspot.com/2010/06/giving-it-all-away.htmlJun 25 22:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenHardware Uses Linux-biased Chips http://ur1.ca/0dq2jJun 25 22:19
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: i didn't see any of these?Jun 25 22:20
schestowitzI reckon you search GoogNews on 'malware'Jun 25 22:20
Chips_B_Malroynot sureJun 25 22:20
schestowitzI'm adding these links from you for imminent postJun 25 22:20
Chips_B_Malroyand 'computer virus"Jun 25 22:20
schestowitzSometimes I collect them when I wake up and go through night's logJun 25 22:20
schestowitzyes, the thing is, I read based on "|Microsoft"Jun 25 22:21
schestowitzReports on viruses don't mention anything MicrosoftJun 25 22:21
Chips_B_Malroythings could be so bad that MS is forced to do more to prevent problems in Windows 8 or 9 maybe?Jun 25 22:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Wins for #OpenData , Including #SPARC http://ur1.ca/0dq7w http://ur1.ca/0dq7y http://ur1.ca/0dq7z http://ur1.ca/0dq80Jun 25 22:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Eclipse 3.6 With #Linux Tools http://ur1.ca/0dq86 http://ur1.ca/0dq87 http://ur1.ca/0dq89 http://ur1.ca/0dq8aJun 25 22:24
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Chips_B_MalroyRoy> I did more than just use Google for my links in the past, I had many sites bookmarked as well, I would look at from time to time.  For comments on MS Watch.Jun 25 22:25
Chips_B_Malroynewsfeeders I did not bother withJun 25 22:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I hope everyone is watching the IT Crowd.....in the office they use Linux! There's clearly an Ubuntu sticker on a monitor! @jonobaconJun 25 22:28
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-vlW4aTpgJun 25 22:29
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schestowitzThis reminds me of WEEE in ChinaJun 25 22:29
schestowitzChina picks up e-wasteJun 25 22:29
schestowitzIn the US they pick soda cansJun 25 22:29
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: links would be handy, yeahJun 25 22:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Bring on the dancing horses. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/539667.htmlJun 25 22:33
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvDHfe_whjUJun 25 22:34
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- George4title, Inflation.us California Shutting Down! "Living Free in an Unfree World" .::. Size~: 94.21 KBJun 25 22:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz I expect @jwildeboer is just ahead of the curve...Jun 25 22:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] munich beats berlin. Here at puerto giesing. Join us.Jun 25 22:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @hankinator1337: I hope everyone is watching the IT Crowd...in the office they use Linux! There's clearly an Ubuntu sticker on a monitor!Jun 25 22:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Not entirely sure why this consumer jetpack seemingly has a cowbell on the back - http://is.gd/d44Df - moe cowbell!Jun 25 22:42
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyG_KBg9G5QJun 25 22:44
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Families Begin To Live Out of CARS - Economy Produces Low Pay Jobs .::. Size~: 97.3 KBJun 25 22:44
schestowitzWhoaJun 25 22:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Eric Schmidt's dog whistle to mobile developers: abandon Windows Phone - http://bit.ly/alAika nice bit of shorthand from @charlesarthurJun 25 22:44
TechrightsTitle:  Eric Schmidt's dog whistle to mobile developers: abandon Windows Phone | Technology | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 94.74 KBJun 25 22:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody yeah, chumby >> hypePhone :-DJun 25 22:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Gems from around the web! – A few little treasures discovered whilst surfing http://tinyurl.com/3539u8z #tetris #mp3 #music #trekearthJun 25 22:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] JavaZone Trailer: Java 4-ever - http://bit.ly/d8teTL really rather splendid (via @PROGRAM_IX @azaaza) #javaJun 25 22:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #hypePhone 4 is Defective by Design http://ur1.ca/0drv0 Some links I've collected. Well done, Apple. Keep it up.Jun 25 22:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Children targeted by sexual predators using #Windows crackers; Central Ambulance Service downed by Windows viruses http://ur1.ca/0drvfJun 25 22:59
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Java 4-Ever http://ur1.ca/0dfzp !java !monofree !linuxJun 25 23:00
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: this one is from CA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viCljYVnyDgJun 25 23:04
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Chips_B_MalroyThere are areas here in Vegas like that RoyJun 25 23:06
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: this is Vegas: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N266TC3hX7MJun 25 23:07
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- American Economic Collapse, Las Vegas Day 2 .::. Size~: 100.78 KBJun 25 23:07
schestowitzBUT...Jun 25 23:07
schestowitzIs he sensationalising it?Jun 25 23:07
schestowitzIt just reminds me of the film "death of Russia"Jun 25 23:08
Chips_B_MalroyUp north by the Alanita Casino (Station Casinos owned) it is estimated that the newer homes all had those varatible rate mortgages on them with about a 75% forclosure rate.  That new casino did poorly too, with few locals left  around it.Jun 25 23:08
Chips_B_Malroysorry about the spellingJun 25 23:08
Chips_B_MalroyIt was one of the factors that put Station Casinos into Chapter 11Jun 25 23:09
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Chips_B_MalroyLady Luck in the 2nd one RoyJun 25 23:13
Chips_B_MalroyStardustJun 25 23:14
schestowitzDon't know them...Jun 25 23:16
schestowitzThese vids are bad for US tourism...Jun 25 23:16
Chips_B_MalroyThe Mob was better for employees when they ran the casino's than the CorporationsJun 25 23:18
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Chips_B_MalroyThe Mob would take care of its people, even bonuses.  If you cross them, well you probably got a one way trip to the sun in the desert.  But the Corps came in with their beancutters and cut wages bennies.  All bottom line people.Jun 25 23:19
Chips_B_MalroyBoyd gaming btw, is not broke, former owner of the Stardust.  It is still cash heavy if fact.  one of the few.  The echilion that replaced the Stardust had more than just Boyd as investors.   Jun 25 23:22
Chips_B_MalroyRoy> intereseting videos, thanksJun 25 23:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Great news....someone is Tweeting about #Kin ...oh hang on, he appears to be a Microsoft employee... the search continues.Jun 25 23:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Customize your #Kin for $21 and get a "custom" back..or maybe customize it with a £5 hammer from your local DIY shop. I'd be with the later.Jun 25 23:36
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Lefty called my boss http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=745Jun 25 23:40
TechrightsTitle: Lefty called my boss « Pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 51.88 KBJun 25 23:41
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: check out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GrMGIFvoZAJun 25 23:42
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Housing Depression - The Truth Behind the Statistics Part 1/5 .::. Size~: 99.55 KBJun 25 23:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin Microsoft hired some people to create buzz about itJun 25 23:43
Diablo-D3damnitJun 25 23:44
Diablo-D3I wish Microsoft would hire meJun 25 23:44
Diablo-D3I dunno why they arent offering me a jobJun 25 23:44
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Chips_B_MalroyThe housing market was never going to improve here, unless the unemployment rate didJun 25 23:47
Diablo-D3I mean, Im a professional trollJun 25 23:47
Chips_B_Malroyhere=USAJun 25 23:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Oh this ones better...he actually says in his description he markets products for them.Jun 25 23:48
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: it's nowhere near as bad in the UKJun 25 23:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin yes, Microsoft hires all AstroTurfers from the outside (agencies)Jun 25 23:55
Chips_B_MalroyRoy> the tourist that comes to Vegas, mostly does not see this, sure they are fewer people at times in the casino's, and many have less money to spend.  And employees are generally friendly here, not like in the video.Jun 25 23:56
Chips_B_MalroyON the face of it, you would not know things are quite so bad, for visitors that is.Jun 25 23:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The insane bully from ACCESS is harassing Free software advocates. http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=745 Boycott #ACCESSJun 25 23:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I'll tell you what, if Astroturfers can create a buzz about #kin then they truly must have awesome talent...Jun 25 23:58
TechrightsTitle: Lefty called my boss « Pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 51.88 KBJun 25 23:58
Chips_B_MalroyWhen most of the illegal Mexicans are going back to Mexico, you know its badJun 25 23:59
schestowitzThey do?Jun 25 23:59

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