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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Man of the People - openbytes.wordpress.com/2010/06/27/man-of-the-people-another-show-proves-free-content-is-great-for-everyone/ | Jun 28 00:06 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] BURN MORE CARS! http://2tu.us/2cn2 | Jun 28 00:08 | |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Toronto Tension: G20 protesters hit streets, skeptics slam summit .::. Size~: 93.97 KB | Jun 28 00:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google Skymap, one of the best #android apps I have. Works very well. #mobile #android #google | Jun 28 00:09 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Awesome shit, cars on fire, riots - Toronto G20 2010! http://2tu.us/2cn3 | Jun 28 00:13 | |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Broken windows, burnt cars left by G20 riots in Toronto .::. Size~: 107.77 KB | Jun 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQKPBa895ls | Jun 28 00:21 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- Sarah Palin Question NOT Softball on Fox News? .::. Size~: 105.45 KB | Jun 28 00:21 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Toronto G20 Violence http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=753 | Jun 28 00:28 | |
| Techrights | Title: Toronto G20 Violence « Pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 51.32 KB | Jun 28 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | gah | Jun 28 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | the WMA stream of 98.9 The Bear sounds almost worse than the station itself from 30 miles away | Jun 28 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | mms://uni2.sa.streamaudio.com/WBYR_FM | Jun 28 00:31 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Why do I even have pidgin-evolution (its broke) on fedora-kde ? I use !kde and !fedora | Jun 28 00:33 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ?? | Jun 28 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | yes? | Jun 28 01:02 |
| schestowitz | What are you talking about? | Jun 28 01:05 |
| schestowitz | and Microsoft'y URLs... | Jun 28 01:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Microsoft Wales (Microsoft_Wales) is now following your tweets on Twitter." Is this a fake account? | Jun 28 01:09 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 28 01:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbjasl90zR0 | Jun 28 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3m_T0nWzuo | Jun 28 01:54 |
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| schestowitz | Great video. Good night...... | Jun 28 02:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYN2XNOif34 | Jun 28 02:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @BreakingNews: Update: Police arrest more than 500 at Toronto summit, hauling off many in plastic handcuffs - AP http://bit.ly/dmMqyR | Jun 28 02:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @BoingBoing: Just a mellow day at the G20 http://bit.ly/a6BDzJ | Jun 28 02:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @webmink: No obvious reason why the police charge these peaceful protesters at G8/20: http://j.mp/93ufJd | Jun 28 02:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | I have 2.997 emails | Jun 28 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | in my Yahoo box | Jun 28 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | hooray spam!!! | Jun 28 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Member since: 11/22/2001 | Jun 28 02:11 |
| *DaemonFC wonders the last time he checked this account :P | Jun 28 02:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300992 | Jun 28 02:33 |
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| cubezzz | MSFT well under $25 today | Jun 28 03:08 |
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| cubezzz | been rather quiet of late | Jun 28 03:27 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20008952-501465.html Sounds like that other company, "its not a bug, its a feature." | Jun 28 03:31 |
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| cubezzz | wow, ll *.jpeg doesn't work | Jun 28 03:31 |
| cubezzz | alias ls='ls --color=tty | more' also stops things like ls *.jpeg | Jun 28 03:32 |
| cubezzz | piping to more breaks ls actually | Jun 28 03:34 |
| cubezzz | ok, better not do that then | Jun 28 03:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.icanhasinternets.com/2010/06/the-idiots-guide-to-holding-the-iphone-4/ | Jun 28 03:36 |
| Techrights | Title: The Idiots Guide to Holding the iPhone 4 (PICS) | I Can Has Internets .::. Size~: 23.96 KB | Jun 28 03:36 |
| cubezzz | lol | Jun 28 03:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so you using the console a lot on the 486 | Jun 28 03:41 |
| cubezzz | yeah well like I said before... | Jun 28 03:41 |
| cubezzz | the rich kids got Apple, and the rest of us got c64s | Jun 28 03:41 |
| cubezzz | and the poor kids got vic-20's :) | Jun 28 03:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | its probably still possible to do everything in the console, or command line as some like to call it | Jun 28 03:42 |
| cubezzz | uhh | Jun 28 03:42 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah time to fire up the 486 again ;) | Jun 28 03:42 |
| cubezzz | yeah I use the command line a lot | Jun 28 03:42 |
| cubezzz | but the 486 is pretty limited, it was more of an experiment to see what was possible with 16 megs of ram | Jun 28 03:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I liked my gui programs, even in the console, like mc. cut down on all the typing | Jun 28 03:43 |
| cubezzz | and play old DOS games via FreeDos | Jun 28 03:43 |
| cubezzz | well is ncurses considered GUI? | Jun 28 03:44 |
| cubezzz | I would say no | Jun 28 03:44 |
| cubezzz | it's still character based | Jun 28 03:44 |
| cubezzz | basically it's the old 80x25 stuff still | Jun 28 03:45 |
| cubezzz | you know what happens to even p3 with very high resolution? | Jun 28 03:47 |
| cubezzz | stuff like konsole gets slower | Jun 28 03:47 |
| cubezzz | ok, this is funny: | Jun 28 03:48 |
| cubezzz | http://www.icanhasinternets.com/2010/06/turns-out-the-sun-is-an-antisemite/ | Jun 28 03:48 |
| Techrights | Title: Turns Out the Sun is an Antisemite | I Can Has Internets .::. Size~: 20.7 KB | Jun 28 03:48 |
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| cubezzz | with a memory limit like 16 megs there's a lot of stuff that you can' do really | Jun 28 03:50 |
| cubezzz | can't do | Jun 28 03:50 |
| cubezzz | e.g. chess proggies eat ram | Jun 28 03:50 |
| cubezzz | but on the other hand you actually have a chance of beating the computer :) | Jun 28 03:51 |
| cubezzz | when pentiums came out computers started to kick most people's butts | Jun 28 03:51 |
| cubezzz | crafty on the dual was the terror of FICS in the late 90's | Jun 28 03:52 |
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| cubezzz | but compare the 486 with 16 megs to AmigaOS running on an Amiga 500 with 2 megs of ram | Jun 28 03:54 |
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| cubezzz | of course the Amiga was doing resolutions like 320x200 in the GUI | Jun 28 03:57 |
| cubezzz | fonts didn't good too great | Jun 28 03:58 |
| cubezzz | Commodore died in 1994 and so the 1st and 2nd generation Amigas kind of missed the www era | Jun 28 04:04 |
| cubezzz | ethernet wasn't built-in | Jun 28 04:04 |
| cubezzz | most of the 1st and 2nd gen Amigas didn't even come with an MMU out of the box | Jun 28 04:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | now a 486-dx4-125 was a machine | Jun 28 04:07 |
| cubezzz | yes but what was the maximum ram? | Jun 28 04:08 |
| cubezzz | then you realize the big limitation :) | Jun 28 04:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | can't remember, but I think it was more | Jun 28 04:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it was about the end of the 486 run | Jun 28 04:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | thinking 64 mb ram, but thats back awhile | Jun 28 04:09 |
| cubezzz | every OS is a memory pig now | Jun 28 04:10 |
| cubezzz | ram is so cheap | Jun 28 04:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, you don't have to use Gnome or KDE 4x all the time, using a lighter window manager helps a lot | Jun 28 04:11 |
| cubezzz | I don't | Jun 28 04:13 |
| cubezzz | I don't like KDE 4 | Jun 28 04:13 |
| cubezzz | the 486 is running old icewm | Jun 28 04:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, its not for older computers that KDE3x seemed to work on well | Jun 28 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | quit bitching and use xfce | Jun 28 04:14 |
| cubezzz | no way can I run KDE of any version | Jun 28 04:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it least, thats how I see it | Jun 28 04:14 |
| cubezzz | not even KDE 1.0 | Jun 28 04:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, xfce is not bad | Jun 28 04:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what does Peppermint use? | Jun 28 04:15 |
| cubezzz | new xfce is out of the question | Jun 28 04:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.damnlag.com/the-problem-with-kinect-and-motion-controls/ | Jun 28 04:18 |
| Techrights | Title: The Problem with Kinect and Motion Controls | Video Game Editorials, Video Game News, Video Game Articles, Columns, Reviews : DAMNLAG .::. Size~: 36.31 KB | Jun 28 04:18 |
| cubezzz | on 16 megs? | Jun 28 04:18 |
| cubezzz | I doubt it would work | Jun 28 04:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | there were some lighter wm's than even icewm | Jun 28 04:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | what it usually comes down to this, if you have a machine built in say 1995, and you cannot upgrade it, you most likely will have to use an OS made for that machine at the time | Jun 28 04:20 |
| cubezzz | I'm using a 1993 machine with a stripped down Slackware 4 which is about 1999 era | Jun 28 04:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | pushing it a bit, are we? | Jun 28 04:22 |
| cubezzz | no, not really | Jun 28 04:22 |
| cubezzz | it is stripped down after all | Jun 28 04:22 |
| cubezzz | I have a 2001 machine upstairs than runs Fedora 12 passably | Jun 28 04:23 |
| cubezzz | but yeah, no one wants to run modern linux on 486's | Jun 28 04:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wonder why | Jun 28 04:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | lol, still it makes a good project | Jun 28 04:26 |
| cubezzz | the achilles heel is the cdrom | Jun 28 04:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like running OS/2 Warp on the internet. now theres security by obcurity for sure. | Jun 28 04:27 |
| cubezzz | not sure what to about that yet | Jun 28 04:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Jun 28 04:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *obscurity | Jun 28 04:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I need a spell checker on Konversation | Jun 28 04:28 |
| cubezzz | no, obscure is stuff like AROS and it's a giant pain to get it working | Jun 28 04:28 |
| cubezzz | much harder than Linux | Jun 28 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Jun 28 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | why not | Jun 28 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | freevms | Jun 28 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohoh | Jun 28 04:29 |
| cubezzz | is it under the GPL? L( | Jun 28 04:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I think the Aros cdrom disk works in Virtialbox | Jun 28 04:30 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, actually it is | Jun 28 04:30 |
| cubezzz | Linux is the best though | Jun 28 04:31 |
| cubezzz | old Linux has a certain appeal | Jun 28 04:32 |
| cubezzz | it's more succinct | Jun 28 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | freevms is actually quite nice | Jun 28 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is | Jun 28 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | IT DOESNT RUN ON ANYTHING | Jun 28 04:33 |
| cubezzz | well it must run on something... | Jun 28 04:33 |
| cubezzz | AROS would have been OK but I need an old network card like RTL8029 | Jun 28 04:34 |
| cubezzz | "VMS (Virtual Memory System) operating system is available only on VAX, Alpha and Itanium processors, and in spite of its undeniable qualities, its future seems uncertain." | Jun 28 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | freevms you dick | Jun 28 04:35 |
| cubezzz | yeah I know | Jun 28 04:35 |
| cubezzz | doesn't look very appealing to me | Jun 28 04:36 |
| cubezzz | you're getting to the fringe of the fringe | Jun 28 04:37 |
| cubezzz | i386, PPC, Alpha it says | Jun 28 04:38 |
| cubezzz | what's with the 8.3 filenames? | Jun 28 04:39 |
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| cubezzz | they censored Weird Al :) | Jun 28 05:53 |
| cubezzz | MTV censored him | Jun 28 05:53 |
| cubezzz | they bleeped out the references to file sharing programs | Jun 28 05:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they can censor tv easy, but sites like youtube, and video sites like it, is hard to do because of the sheer volume | Jun 28 05:55 |
| cubezzz | yes the internet just routes around censorship | Jun 28 05:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | which is why the more that the Hollywood Corps and their lackies in the Gov, try to control, the more people will rebell | Jun 28 05:57 |
| cubezzz | well I buy DVDs | Jun 28 05:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I used too, now I rent some | Jun 28 06:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or borrow | Jun 28 06:00 |
| cubezzz | I'd buy Linux discs too if anyone sold what I want | Jun 28 06:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | when I can | Jun 28 06:00 |
| cubezzz | old movies are cheap anyway, $9.99 | Jun 28 06:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cheapbytes, places like that, and ebay | Jun 28 06:01 |
| cubezzz | did you know that old movies are actually amazing on bluray? | Jun 28 06:02 |
| cubezzz | the film transfers | Jun 28 06:02 |
| cubezzz | more resolution on the old safety film | Jun 28 06:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no | Jun 28 06:02 |
| cubezzz | Technicolor Film from the 50's was the zenith of film quality | Jun 28 06:03 |
| cubezzz | it declined after that | Jun 28 06:03 |
| cubezzz | Technicolor shut down its imbibition (IB) dye transfer Cahuenga facility in 1975 | Jun 28 06:07 |
| cubezzz | anyways, it's one argument in the favour of bluray | Jun 28 06:09 |
| cubezzz | the extra resolution does make a big difference | Jun 28 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Courtney | Jun 28 06:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nickballard] #VB.Net is a bloated mess. After two hours trying to do a simple database form I finally gave up and decided to dig deeper into #Ruby. | Jun 28 06:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | fail. | Jun 28 06:37 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | gn | Jun 28 07:11 |
| cubezzz | later | Jun 28 07:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Yesterday Jim, Ben and I jammed for the first time and it was awesome. The Severed Fifth machine is rolling! #severedfifth | Jun 28 07:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks blocked by Thai government http://bit.ly/cdoGzK | Jun 28 07:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Today We Have #Bilski http://ur1.ca/0efpd SCOTUS due to release its final judgment and signs suggest that Stevens is involved #swpats | Jun 28 07:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The war between journalists and bloggers at the Washington Post - http://bit.ly/cCJ6G8 amazing this is still an issue #blogs #journalism | Jun 28 08:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Kahn Academy Delivers 100,000 Lectures Daily - http://bit.ly/9rtbv5 inspiring story of #sharing #kahn #video | Jun 28 08:22 | |
| Techrights | Title: Slashdot News Story | Kahn Academy Delivers 100,000 Lectures Daily .::. Size~: 125.49 KB | Jun 28 08:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @schestowitz duke strikes again, just my block, only the half i live on. greetings from my linux/java phone :) | Jun 28 08:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] What Did Microsoft Know About SCO's Plans and When Did It Know It? - http://bit.ly/aCGPEx good question #microsoft #sco | Jun 28 08:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Your outage was caused by lightning striking our equipment, the outage affected 24 customers" | Jun 28 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | right... | Jun 28 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | a lightning strike would take out more than 24 customers | Jun 28 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | Why can't they just admit that someone must have walked by the pole and coughed? | Jun 28 08:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Recommendations for OIN, IBM, and Florian Müller http://ur1.ca/0eghk Analysis of the latest motions against #OIN and against #IBM #swpats | Jun 28 09:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/28/business/media/28rumblefish.html?src=busln | Jun 28 09:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Now they're selling fair use rights | Jun 28 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | how nice of them | Jun 28 09:04 |
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| tessier | DaemonFC: I've seen lightning strikes affect very small numbers of customers. | Jun 28 09:15 |
| tessier | A couple years ago we had lightning strike a transformer in the neighborhood and just one block was out. Would have been around that many. | Jun 28 09:15 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bill to Highlight "Conflict Minerals" in Computers - http://bit.ly/b3xqXS long overdue #shiny #minerals | Jun 28 09:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Extortion Ventures and Blowback http://ur1.ca/0egpt The latest news about Microsoft and its proactive-aggressive attitude | Jun 28 09:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sony: 3D adoption will be just like Blu-ray - http://bit.ly/cQoJWy a technology that nobody needs? that bad, eh? #sony #3d #bluray | Jun 28 09:25 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Bilski v. Kappos decision due 10am today Washington time. !floss !foss !freesoftware !fs !linux !techrights #swpats | Jun 28 09:28 | |
| DaemonFC | 562 MB is the size of the leaked SP1 beta build for Windows 7 | Jun 28 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | yikes | Jun 28 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | hope you're not on dial up :P | Jun 28 09:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] IsoHunt Tells Court That MPAA’s Filter is Needless Censorship - http://bit.ly/cT12UN interesting issue #censorship #filtering | Jun 28 09:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Maude calls for public choice on open data - http://bit.ly/9eYEvZ "we want transparency to become an absolutely core part" #uk | Jun 28 09:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Catalyst 10.5 and 10.6 do indeed fail to run any K2 Engine games (HoN, S2) on my HD5970. ATI fail. | Jun 28 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | Some people tried to get the attention of John Bridgman (an ATI employee) on the Phoronix forums about this, but he ignored them." | Jun 28 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?s=1d13c06fc066e8f88525bf78ec86cdec&p=1856702&postcount=6 | Jun 28 09:40 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Jun 28 09:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s American EDGI Comes to #Alabama and Project Marshall (MOU) Comes to Jamia Millia Islamia http://ur1.ca/0egzw | Jun 28 09:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://solor.windowsdream.com/Windows.7/Updates.htm | Jun 28 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | someone is stockpiling hotfixes that Microsoft is keeping in reserve for SP1 | Jun 28 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | that are not on Windows Update | Jun 28 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | quite a lot of them | Jun 28 10:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @ jamie_love Zhao Hong, from China mission to WTO is provided a blistering critique of #acta at KEI/IQsenato workshop >>significant? | Jun 28 10:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] New Europe interview with Assange/Engstrom http://bit.ly/bvgb52 | Jun 28 10:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Oklahoma granny sues cops over tasering - http://bit.ly/9NBZQD not unreasonably: "stepped on her oxygen hose" b4 tasering her | Jun 28 10:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: some of these hotfixes are kind of lulzy | Jun 28 10:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Man Bites Dog and #Microsoft Fights ‘Piracy’ http://ur1.ca/0ehgw Microsoft is attacking sellers of Windows | Jun 28 10:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Openness, Radicalism, and Tolerance - http://bit.ly/c5Z0Ln "Why isn’t the open crowd more open-minded?" #openness #tolerance | Jun 28 10:32 | |
| Techrights | Title: Openness, Radicalism, and Tolerance | iterating toward openness .::. Size~: 18.17 KB | Jun 28 10:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A Tale of two Open Government un-unconferences - http://bit.ly/9DhNLb "biggest filter of who attends is the day of the week": good point #nz | Jun 28 10:34 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | [05:04:31] -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell- [glynmoody] Oklahoma granny sues cops over tasering - http://bit.ly/9NBZQD not unreasonably: "stepped on her oxygen hose" b4 tasering her | Jun 28 10:42 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Im surprised the cops didnt blow the house up | Jun 28 10:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 7 Things You Should Know About Net Neutrality - http://bit.ly/9CNRiU useful background to hand out to the confused #netneutrality | Jun 28 10:44 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KElS5nZD5yc | Jun 28 10:44 |
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| DaemonFC | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/975777 | Jun 28 10:48 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Jun 28 10:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Publishers Who Don't Know History... - http://bit.ly/bJRQ8K are condemned to repeat mistakes of recording industry #copyright | Jun 28 10:49 | |
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| scientes | has anyone else realized that /usr is obsolete? | Jun 28 10:50 |
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| scientes | that you could hardlink it to / and make things simpler? | Jun 28 10:50 |
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| DaemonFC | "Alexander Hembitski (Alex_Hembitski) is now following your tweets on Twitter." | Jun 28 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | some guy working at an Indian outsourcing place for Microsoft-ish things | Jun 28 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | ... | Jun 28 10:51 |
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| DaemonFC | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976038 | Jun 28 10:54 |
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| DaemonFC | "In this scenario, this exception does not cause the application to crash. Instead, the application enters into an inconsistent state. Then, the application throws a different exception and crashes." | Jun 28 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 28 10:54 |
| scientes | nice | Jun 28 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | so you install the patch and the program crashes for the right reason now? | Jun 28 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | hooray? | Jun 28 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 28 10:55 |
| scientes | thats a good one | Jun 28 10:55 |
| scientes | aka, the system cant even catch critical errors | Jun 28 10:56 |
| scientes | and terminate the offender | Jun 28 10:56 |
| scientes | aka, its totally borked | Jun 28 10:56 |
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| scientes | <DaemonFC> so you install the patch and the program crashes for the right reason now? | Jun 28 10:56 |
| scientes | thats a very simplistic view | Jun 28 10:56 |
| scientes | this is a serious problem | Jun 28 10:56 |
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| scientes | its like all those stupid "illegal operation" popups | Jun 28 10:57 |
| scientes | where users think they did something wrong | Jun 28 10:57 |
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| scientes | cause Windows is *user friendly* !!!!!!! | Jun 28 10:57 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, Microsoft has now stockpiled 281 hotfixes aside from what shows up in Windows Update | Jun 28 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | which must have been at least 100 or so by now | Jun 28 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | all for Windows 7 alone | Jun 28 10:58 |
| scientes | thats irrelevent | Jun 28 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | well, it is important | Jun 28 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | on one hand, they say "Dive right in, the water's fine", then they hold onto 281 hotfixes that fix some real doozies | Jun 28 11:01 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, why? | Jun 28 11:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Publishing Local Open Data - Important Lessons from the Open Election Data project - http://bit.ly/bPOYIB still lots to do #ogov #elections | Jun 28 11:02 | |
| scientes | DaemonFC, why do you invest your time and energy on such useless things? | Jun 28 11:02 |
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| DaemonFC | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/976781 | Jun 28 11:06 |
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| DaemonFC | *facepalm* | Jun 28 11:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] #CoOpBank's online banking site is down again. I estimate that it is nonfunctional about 50% of the time | Jun 28 11:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What #Microsoft Wants Gregoire Gives http://ur1.ca/0ei4n Microsoft celebrates the latest tax breaks from Governor Gregoire | Jun 28 11:15 | |
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| schestowitz | Florian: > I understand what you mean. Then I'd have to talk about Mono, WINE etc. as well and that would make it a complex issue. We'll continue the debate, just not on that thread where I've really addressed a lot of things and have done so unequivocally. I'll be around and there'll be many other topics. Today's the Bilski day more so than the "FM day" | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > I don't deny the good that IBM has supported and even continues to | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > support in some FOSS contexts. But there are really two kinds of | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > conclusions when they do bad stuff. One is the FDR attitude of "he's a | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". The other is my attitude, | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > which is that I'm more outraged about hypocrisy (I'm just doing a | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > posting on that, in the Bilski context) than about someone who clearly | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > says what he wants even if it's not what I want. The latter is an | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > opponent, and if the opponent uses unfair methods to get his way, I'll | Jun 28 11:19 |
| schestowitz | > criticize those methods but I can't accuse him of hypocrisy. | Jun 28 11:19 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/28/AR2010062801241.html?hpid=topnews | Jun 28 11:22 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/06/27/2010-06-27_vice_president_joe_biden_caught_on_video_calling_custard_shop_manager_a_smarta.html | Jun 28 11:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google can kill or install apps on citizen Androids - http://bit.ly/ajK3iu worse and worse #google #android | Jun 28 11:33 | |
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| tessier | schestowitz: http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/26/microsoft-numbers/ | Jun 28 11:35 |
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| schestowitz | Fake numbers there | Jun 28 11:35 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about i :-) | Jun 28 11:35 |
| tessier | Nothing gets by you | Jun 28 11:35 |
| tessier | I was shocked by the Linux server marketshare numbers. | Jun 28 11:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] #IBM #Bilski brief shamelessly attributes popularity of #freesoftware and #opensource to software patents http://bit.ly/9QkGUE | Jun 28 11:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @sixtus Englands neues Trikot-Logo: Error: The URL you entered is on our blacklist or of a type not supported by is.gd (links to URL sho | Jun 28 11:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Retroactive Copyright on Public Domain Works - http://bit.ly/drw5Z8 good point about deference to treaties, and implications for #acta | Jun 28 11:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] New UK transparency board and public data principles - http://bit.ly/aF7xF8 looks impressive: let's hope it is #ogov #opendata #transparency | Jun 28 12:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/208425/en-us | Jun 28 12:12 |
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| DaemonFC | err | Jun 28 12:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Still a Threat to #OpenOffice .org http://ur1.ca/0ej2x How Novell is trying to take charge of OpenOffice.org | Jun 28 12:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] You can't beat the sports TV pirates, so join them - http://bit.ly/avwYuW yup (via @teirdes @technollama) #copyright #sport #tv | Jun 28 12:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2084257 | Jun 28 12:13 |
| Techrights | Title: Ripped audio track using WMA lossless codec on Windows 7 generates bigger file as compared to Vista .::. Size~: 38.54 KB | Jun 28 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | it's even more lossless, obviously :P | Jun 28 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | probably explains why Windows 7 WMA Lossless files are so much bigger than FLAC | Jun 28 12:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @daemonfc do another blog post about it | Jun 28 12:15 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: One more power outage, and I'll officially be living in Iraq | Jun 28 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | (or possibly California) | Jun 28 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, I cranked my freezer all the way up, it should buy me some more time between outages before all my food goes bad :P | Jun 28 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not buying the "lightning hit our equipment" line though | Jun 28 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | if lightning hit a transformer, a lot more than a third of a block would be without power | Jun 28 12:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] An open translation of Plato’s Protagoras - http://bit.ly/axAK2Q collaborative, too - very cool #plato #translation #collaboration | Jun 28 12:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Data.ed.gov Launches - http://bit.ly/9IUfOZ "easily accessible data about grant applications as well as applicants and their partners" | Jun 28 12:26 | |
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| schestowitz | [08:52] <DaemonFC> a lightning strike would take out more than 24 customers | Jun 28 12:26 |
| schestowitz | This means that unless you have over 24 friends who live nearby you can't prove this to be a lie | Jun 28 12:26 |
| schestowitz | 24 is the magic number | Jun 28 12:26 |
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| schestowitz | If they said 5, then you'd be able to count more than refute | Jun 28 12:26 |
| schestowitz | Lightning strikes affect not just one building if they hit infrastructure | Jun 28 12:27 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ jamie_love Zhao Hong, from China mission to WTO is provided a blistering critique of #acta at KEI/IQsenato workshop | Jun 28 12:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @satipera #Bilski v. Kappos decision due 10am today Washington time. #floss #foss #freesoftware #fs #linux #techrights #swpats | Jun 28 12:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Caught Between the Old and the New - http://bit.ly/bgTbm7 "we’re in an odd scholarly communication moment now, stuck between old & new" | Jun 28 12:34 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @satipera #Bilski v. Kappos decision due 10am today Washington time. !floss !foss !freesoftware !fs !linux !techrights #swpats | Jun 28 12:38 | |
| schestowitz | [11:35] <tessier> I was shocked by the Linux server marketshare numbers. | Jun 28 12:40 |
| schestowitz | They count $$$ | Jun 28 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Linux costs $0 a lot of the time | Jun 28 12:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Google can kill or install apps on citizen Androids - http://bit.ly/ajK3iu > let's pressure Google about it | Jun 28 12:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #elmdentica svn trunk supports gag lists with PCRE patterns which are applied to name, screen_name and message. You'll never read FOO again. | Jun 28 12:48 | |
| schestowitz | tessier: : “Forty percent of servers run Windows, 60 percent run Linux...” Steve Ballmer (September 2008) | Jun 28 12:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Gag feature in #elmdentica only hides from display. Messages are still fetched and stored in local DB, so just disable and reload to read. | Jun 28 12:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A national approach to identity online - http://bit.ly/du9XAB people seem positive about this; here's @craignewmark #identity #privacy | Jun 28 13:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Gates Foundation Helps Bring Coca-Cola and Monsanto (GMO) to Africa http://ur1.ca/0ekce #gno #monsanto #coke #patent | Jun 28 13:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Hackerspace Magazine #2 has been released. Get your gratis copy (PDF) now: http://is.gd/d7zYO | Jun 28 13:44 | |
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| OpenSourcedNick | mm.. interesting | Jun 28 13:54 |
| OpenSourcedNick | however my Gnome is flooded with Mono apps | Jun 28 13:54 |
| OpenSourcedNick | such as TomBoy | Jun 28 13:54 |
| OpenSourcedNick | and Gnome DO (not sure about that one being on Mono) | Jun 28 13:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft Attacks, By and With the Numbers - http://bit.ly/bIlz1O Microsoft's figures don't quite sure what it thought they did #fud | Jun 28 14:06 | |
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| schestowitz | OpenSourcedNick: which distro? | Jun 28 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Mint? | Jun 28 14:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft Attacks, By and With the Numbers - http://bit.ly/bIlz1O Microsoft's figures don't quite show what it thought they did #fud | Jun 28 14:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Computer programs as such (i.e. systems that solve data processing problems) are patentable http://ur1.ca/0ekyd | Jun 28 14:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | "In the gun rights case, even gun control advocates said they expect the Supreme Court to strike down Chicago's 28-year-old handgun ban." | Jun 28 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, because the 300 or so people shot and killed by people with handguns attest to the effectiveness of that law | Jun 28 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | when the people doing the murders just so happen to illegally have the handgun | Jun 28 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | and the victim, unarmed, is obeying the law | Jun 28 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | *300 people so far this year | Jun 28 14:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] VP8 Codec Coming To FFmpeg - http://bit.ly/c6J5SD handy #vp8 ffmpeg #video | Jun 28 14:27 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] just ordered a used copy of "The Hacker Crackdown" http://www.mit.edu/hacker/hacker.html. It should be an interesting summer read.. | Jun 28 14:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT Codepope It's #GLOW tonight... journalists and writers talk open source - http://bit.ly/a5xLKO >>you know it makes sense #glow | Jun 28 14:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Lame 3.99 release is imminent | Jun 28 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | probably this week | Jun 28 14:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] .中国 is now a web domain name! - http://bit.ly/cPJk5q going to be pretty big #china #tld | Jun 28 14:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That's what you're getting when you buy Winamp Pro | Jun 28 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | nearly all of it goes to MPEG-LA to license LAME and the FhG MP3 decoder | Jun 28 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | there went almost $5 anyway | Jun 28 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's not helping development of LAME, it's just letting Winamp distribute it without being sued | Jun 28 14:37 |
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| DaemonFC | That's probably why MPEG-LA has never bothered suing over LAME, they make lots of money off of something they haven't contributed a single line of code to | Jun 28 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | because they have the patents that describe what someone elses code does | Jun 28 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'll bet you $1 that Bilski gets shoved off the agenda until the court comes back with Obama's new MAFIAA rubber stamp | Jun 28 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | (Elana Kagan) | Jun 28 14:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Just Copying and Playing Catch-up in Consoles http://techrights.org/2010/06/28/gaming-consoles-photocopy/ | Jun 28 14:41 | |
| DaemonFC | if they somehow manage to cripple the abusive potential of software patents, Congress can still pass new laws that reverse the court | Jun 28 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | don't forget that part | Jun 28 14:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Bilski is out in half an hour, I believe #swpats #patents | Jun 28 14:42 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: RMS said something I agree with, he just wasn't very to the point about it | Jun 28 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | that software patents harm Windows users too | Jun 28 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | his example was compression algorithms | Jun 28 14:43 |
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| DaemonFC | he didn't tell the story exactly right though | Jun 28 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | the first compression program to use LZ77 in wide use was PKZip | Jun 28 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | predated gzip by about 3 years | Jun 28 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | the zip format was also already public domain from 1989 onwards | Jun 28 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | so the FSF probably duplicated some effort | Jun 28 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | hmm | Jun 28 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | this Java twitter client AT&T has isn't half bad | Jun 28 14:50 |
| schestowitz | zoobab: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/3859871/Nature-of-Patent-Bill-change-disputed | Jun 28 14:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Whatever freedom may mean, Messrs. Sanchez and Sutor, software patents aren't part of it http://ur1.ca/0eld9 | Jun 28 14:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | IBM is just another vulture | Jun 28 14:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] VP8 in FFMPEG relying on heavy reuse from the existing H.264 codebase, patent infringement looming? http://ur1.ca/0eldm | Jun 28 14:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | they contribute when they have to or where it means less work for them | Jun 28 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | they're not exactly gung ho for Linux | Jun 28 14:54 |
| DaemonFC | it sells hardware since AIX is basically unmarketable (due to Linux) | Jun 28 14:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody FFmpeg announced it 2 weeks ago | Jun 28 14:55 | |
| DaemonFC | doesn't that just prove the x264 developers right | Jun 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | that VP8 is essentially an h.264 Baseline ripoff? | Jun 28 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | if that much source code is reusable, it does lead one to think that VP8 can't be all that different | Jun 28 14:56 |
| DaemonFC | "since H.264 (the current industry standard video codec) and VP8 are highly similar, we can share code (and more importantly: optimizations) between FFmpeg?s H.264 and VP8 decoders (e.g. intra prediction)." | Jun 28 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | somewhere the MPEG-LA lawyers are fapping to that | Jun 28 14:57 |
| schestowitz | [14:40] <DaemonFC> (Elana Kagan) | Jun 28 14:57 |
| schestowitz | There is another one | Jun 28 14:57 |
| schestowitz | But it's not a guy, so you can't insult them | Jun 28 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Victoria something | Jun 28 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Espinol or something | Jun 28 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the stupid bitch is a MAFIAA plant and a leach on taxpayer money | Jun 28 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | corporate welfare queen | Jun 28 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | I can't insult her? O RLY? | Jun 28 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 28 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | *leech | Jun 28 14:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Free our data: For democracy's sake - http://bit.ly/cBgMg2 excellent review of what's happening - what's not #ogov #opendata | Jun 28 15:00 | |
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| *DaemonFC thinks WEBM is going to be sued into oblivion if software patents aren't abolished soon | Jun 28 15:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz ah well, I'm always behind the times... | Jun 28 15:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Has Oracle been a disaster for Sun's open source? - http://bit.ly/9agG1t working out well for Oracle, but not for open source? #oracle #sun | Jun 28 15:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/28/1248253/SCOTUS-Nominee-Kagan-on-Free-Speech-Issues | Jun 28 15:06 |
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| amarsh04 | JAXA (Japanese space agency) has been using webm in their recent Youtube uploads | Jun 28 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/06/27/1825251/Chase-Bank-May-Drop-Support-of-Chrome-Opera | Jun 28 15:08 |
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| DaemonFC | "Your copy of Chrome isn't secure enough for our site" | Jun 28 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | Please get IE 6" | Jun 28 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jun 28 15:10 |
| *amarsh04 wonders if Debian's i386 build server is using a gcc that doesn't always generate binaries that can be prelinked - building the .deb's from source with gcc 4.4.4-5 creates binaries that prelink fine | Jun 28 15:10 | |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: its probably using the default gcc for that environment | Jun 28 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid doesnt have 4.4.4-5 yet | Jun 28 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh wait yes it does | Jun 28 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | it has -6 | Jun 28 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: isnt there special flags you gotta pass and shit? | Jun 28 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://xkcd.com/538/ | Jun 28 15:20 |
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| Diablo-D3 | GODDAMNIT | Jun 28 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | WHY IS WINDOWS SO SLOW | Jun 28 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I need to fucking pirate photoshop for osx already | Jun 28 15:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] scotusblog.com is down. Huh??? | Jun 28 15:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Live scotus coverage http://www.coveritlive.com/mobile.php/option=com_mobile/task=viewaltcast/altcast_code=1cd2606684 #bilski #swpats | Jun 28 15:25 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] @schestowitz: Probably overloaded from the traffic due to the new chick | Jun 28 15:28 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Ubuntu still runs X as Root? I thought running apache as a system user was already bad enough... Sad! !ubuntu | Jun 28 15:33 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The court struck down Chicago's handgun ban | Jun 28 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | (the ones the murdering criminals weren't obeying, imagine that) | Jun 28 15:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Preview: Tibet Film Festival 2010 - http://bit.ly/dCWyUy cool, in London, too #tibet #film #london | Jun 28 15:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] BBC Iplayer comes to Android phones - http://bit.ly/bdiLvS "on smartphones running Android 2.2" #android #iplayer #bbc | Jun 28 15:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Interactive Chart: Where UK Newspaper Websites Get Their Traffic - http://bit.ly/9Ay6UX BBC doing well #newspapers #traffic | Jun 28 15:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Economic Argument For Why Court's Viacom Ruling Makes Sense... And Why Viacom Hates It - http://bit.ly/bT6PkC all about #monopolies | Jun 28 15:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Christian Legal Society Loses in Supreme Court Case" | Jun 28 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Jun 28 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Real-time SCOTUS: Bilski v. Kappos, affirmed, Justice Kennedy writes for the majority. 1 minute ago via web | Jun 28 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | Bilski-Court holds that the specific invention in this case, a method of predicting business or economic cycles, is ineligible for a patent less than 5 seconds ago via web | Jun 28 16:01 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Bilski looses !fs !free !linux !foss !floss !techrights #swpats | Jun 28 16:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] #Bilski ruling suggests very broad scope of patentability, awaiting more news but so far disappointing to me ( I follow @scotusblog ) | Jun 28 16:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @genomicslawyer Bilski affirmed. Opinion available here: http://bit.ly/aU9JLz >>everyone get reading #bilski #swpats | Jun 28 16:05 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @fontana #Bilski decision http://is.gd/d7JT3 #SCOTUS | Jun 28 16:06 | |
| Techrights | Title: Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jun 28 16:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] with #bilski in, we can now check if everything under the sun is patentable. | Jun 28 16:08 | |
| DaemonFC | so it's a bad day for Bilski, but software patents live on | Jun 28 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | unscratched | Jun 28 16:08 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] "machine or transformation test" is NOT the sole test for eligibility to obtain a patent. !fs !free !floss !foss !linux !techrights #swpats | Jun 28 16:08 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Sotomayor concurred with Stevens | Jun 28 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | maybe she's not a MAFIAA plant | Jun 28 16:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Entering train to Vienna. Hope NED keeps on winning: -) @fabsh ignore me; -) | Jun 28 16:17 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] The Bilski opinion can be found here http://cli.gs/yLQpn !fs !free !floss !foss !linux !techrights #swpats #bilski | Jun 28 16:18 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] #SCOTUS : the specific invention in this case, a method of predicting business or economic cycles, was ineligible for a patent | Jun 28 16:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Scotland Yard condemned for serial sex attacker failings - http://bit.ly/bfutwc "officers chased targets for crimes such as robberies" | Jun 28 16:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm writing a draft post about Windows Live Messenger 2010 | Jun 28 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | I can't sum it up as anything nicer than an ad-laden bloated security nightmare with tons of shovelware included that may go so far as to violate state-level spyware laws | Jun 28 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | It even goes so far as to install a browser hijacker into Firefox which keeps changing the default search back to Bing | Jun 28 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 28 16:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "I find it hard to believe that many of our entrepreneurs forwent business innovation because they could not claim a patent" - Bilski p. 41 | Jun 28 16:27 | |
| *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving) | Jun 28 16:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "the patent laws are not intended to “creat[e] a class of speculative schemers" oh really? - Bilski p.46 | Jun 28 16:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Bilski decision is finally out, as plain text http://ur1.ca/0emgk #swpats #patents #bilski #techrights supporters, please share | Jun 28 16:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "The machine-or-transformation test would create uncertainty as to the patentability of software" -SCOTUS http://ur1.ca/0emgk #swpats | Jun 28 16:32 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The #Bilski decision is finally out, as plain text http://ur1.ca/0emgk #swpats #patents #bilski !techrights supporters, please share | Jun 28 16:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "costs of business method patents not only may stifle innovation, but they are also likely to stifle competition" true of swpats Bilski p.46 | Jun 28 16:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "State Street dealt with [...] software could be patented and addressed only claims directed at machines..." -SCOTUS http://ur1.ca/0emgk | Jun 28 16:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "State Street [...] piece of s/w could be patented and addressed only claims directed at machines" -SCOTUS http://ur1.ca/0emgk #swpats | Jun 28 16:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Judge Stevens writes strongest analysis: "I concur in the judgment, I strongly disagree with the Court's disposition of this case" Bilski | Jun 28 16:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sorry for abbrevating quotes re #bilski. Identica is limiting. There are 2 mentions of software in Bilski ruling http://ur1.ca/0emgk #swpats | Jun 28 16:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Neither pork nor sausage in #Bilski decision? Is that what should be expected from a 'supreme' court? | Jun 28 16:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: The #Bilski decision is finally out, as plain text http://ur1.ca/0emgk #swpats #patents #bilski #techrights | Jun 28 16:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: The #Bilski decision is finally out, as plain text http://ur1.ca/0emgk #swpats #patents #bilski !techrights | Jun 28 16:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @br3nda: : Not "if you build it they will come" but "if you open it they will build it" #opengovt2010 | Jun 28 16:46 | |
| amarsh04 | Diablo-D3, I meant 4.4.4-6 and I was just running debuild -b on Debian unstable | Jun 28 16:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facebook Usage Hits 16 Billion Minutes a Day - http://bit.ly/cilojn mostly on GNU/Linux, I think #facebook #opensource | Jun 28 16:48 | |
| Techrights | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Facebook Usage Hits 16 Billion Minutes a Day .::. Size~: 84.54 KB | Jun 28 16:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | amarsh04: dunno | Jun 28 16:48 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: The #Bilski decision is finally out, as plain text http://ur1.ca/0emgk #swpats #patents #bilski !techrights | Jun 28 16:48 | |
| Diablo-D3 | thats all new fangled shit | Jun 28 16:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | maybe they didnt update to it yet | Jun 28 16:48 |
| amarsh04 | true... | Jun 28 16:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Bilski is out: http://ur1.ca/0em2c | Jun 28 16:50 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/37889158#notice-38548642 | Jun 28 16:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/38317137#notice-38555944 "Which translates to: Change ??? Or everything remains the same ??? IBM and M$ still almighty ???" | Jun 28 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | I don't know the full effect of the #bilski ruling yet. It's 70+ pages and it needs lawyers 'translating' it | Jun 28 16:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] It appears that Stevens does think that business method patents are a problem, but couldn't convince other SCOTUS judges http://ur1.ca/0emnv | Jun 28 16:54 | |
| Techrights | Title: Supreme Court Rules Narrowly In Bilski; Business Method & Software Patents Survive | Techdirt .::. Size~: 26.76 KB | Jun 28 16:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] http://is.gd/d7Noi @georgzoche FYI | Jun 28 17:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @satipera "machine or transformation test" is NOT the sole test for eligibility to obtain a patent. #fs #free #techrights #swpats | Jun 28 17:01 | |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I knew the scotus blog was downed by traffic. I said "huh" cause I thought they'd shield the server. The ruling looks iffy so far. | Jun 28 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I missed Bilski for half an hour... was on the phone for an hour... | Jun 28 17:03 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @satipera "machine or transformation test" is NOT the sole test for eligibility to obtain a patent. !fs !free !techrights #swpats | Jun 28 17:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] #Bilski decision doesn't invalidate even one software #patent http://bit.ly/9E0Mg6 gave #swpat abolition the widest berth possible | Jun 28 17:04 | |
| Techrights | Title: FOSS Patents: Bilski decision a major disappointment: doesn't invalidate even one software patent .::. Size~: 48.99 KB | Jun 28 17:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 28 17:11 |
| schestowitz | sjvn | Jun 28 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Jun 28 17:11 | |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz SCOtusblog working here. May be overloaded. Besides Bilski, there's McDonald v. Chicago, big guns right case. | Jun 28 17:11 |
| schestowitz | RSS feed in Twitter return empty/old pages | Jun 28 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Maybe there's a server issue there | Jun 28 17:13 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Bilski case, Business Method & Software patents survive : http://techdirt.com/articles/20100628/0759029989.shtml #EKSI | Jun 28 17:13 | |
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| schestowitz | ok, time to post some linux news......... | Jun 28 17:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] US Supreme Court extends gun rights - http://bit.ly/caY5eZ obviously a bad hair day for the Supremes #guns #bilski | Jun 28 17:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] There is no hot news. All news is hot news. - http://bit.ly/azcRO8 good analysis #hotnews #newspapers | Jun 28 17:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] my Bilski comment on @slashdot http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1700908&cid=32717668 | Jun 28 17:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Journey From #UNIX to #Linux; Role of Linux in #FreeSoftware Promotion http://ur1.ca/0enlv http://ur1.ca/0enlw | Jun 28 18:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] US Supreme Court accepts only one way to limit software patentability: new legislation from Congress http://bit.ly/9E0Mg6 | Jun 28 18:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Only a decision to grant a #patent on the #Bilski application could have been any less restrictive http://bit.ly/9E0Mg6 | Jun 28 18:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I hope I've seen the back if the soap opera I've found myself unwillingly embroiled in. Having 5mins to myself before off to a posh dinner. | Jun 28 18:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] So much to catch up on, I need to speed some time later getting up to speed. | Jun 28 18:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNOME Shell 2.31.4 released, Interview With GNOME Foundation Director http://ur1.ca/0eo2y http://ur1.ca/0eo30 | Jun 28 18:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Opera (Proprietary) Improves the Software for GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/0eo3q http://ur1.ca/0eo3r | Jun 28 18:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Flavours and Variants of #Ubuntu #GNU #Linux : #Jolicloud 1.0, #Xubuntu http://ur1.ca/0eo7u http://ur1.ca/0eo7x | Jun 28 19:16 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Lefty wins - I'm fraking jobless - http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=763 | Jun 28 19:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #Linux Phones Coming from #HP http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/21/hp_palm/ | Jun 28 19:24 | |
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| ender2070 | yay I get to look for a new fucking job now | Jun 28 19:26 |
| ender2070 | I'm considering filing my own police report here | Jun 28 19:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux -based #Android Climbs to Top Position http://ur1.ca/0eoaw http://ur1.ca/0eoax http://ur1.ca/0eoaz http://ur1.ca/0eob0 | Jun 28 19:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 160,000 #Linux -based #Android Phones Sold Per Day http://ur1.ca/0eobk | Jun 28 19:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OLPC Sub-notebooks Help Deaf Children, Tablets Open Doors to #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/0eocp http://ur1.ca/0eocq | Jun 28 19:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Insane Übertroll David "Lefty" Schleisinger gets GNU/Linux advocate fired: http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=763 #evil | Jun 28 19:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Michael Dexter from LinuxFund is awesome. That is all. | Jun 28 19:52 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The sort of thing that got the Catholic Church raided in Belgium http://is.gd/d7ZsV | Jun 28 19:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why It's Proper to Say "GNU/Linux" http://ur1.ca/0d9oc #gnu #linux | Jun 28 19:53 | |
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| ender2070 | hey chips | Jun 28 20:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | hello | Jun 28 20:03 |
| ender2070 | i'm jobless! | Jun 28 20:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sorry to hear that | Jun 28 20:07 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jun 28 20:07 |
| ender2070 | a direct result of lefty | Jun 28 20:07 |
| ender2070 | phoning my boss | Jun 28 20:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | so Lefty doing what he told us was wrong? | Jun 28 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | contacting employers | Jun 28 20:08 |
| ender2070 | yup | Jun 28 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | doesn't surprise me in any way that Lefty is a complete phony lier | Jun 28 20:09 |
| ender2070 | everyone knows that | Jun 28 20:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | except your boss its seems | Jun 28 20:10 |
| ender2070 | i did send his boss one e-mail | Jun 28 20:10 |
| ender2070 | i deserve something | Jun 28 20:10 |
| ender2070 | not this though | Jun 28 20:10 |
| ender2070 | i didnt even try to get him fired | Jun 28 20:10 |
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| ender2070 | he was saying rms was advocating rape, and i asked them their opinion on it | Jun 28 20:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Myself, I never sent Access any emails | Jun 28 20:10 |
| ender2070 | it was one e-mail back in february, his boss didnt even give a shit | Jun 28 20:11 |
| ender2070 | he said 'I' was insane | Jun 28 20:11 |
| ender2070 | so if i'm insane, and his boss didnt give a shit, how did I threaten his job? i didnt even suggest any action for them to take, i wanted their opinion. | Jun 28 20:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe that Lefty is just a vicous shill for Access. Which is why Lefty became unglued when I asked about Access going broke without a product | Jun 28 20:12 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 20:12 |
| ender2070 | he became unglued simply when someone made fun of his choice of e-mail client - entourage | Jun 28 20:13 |
| ender2070 | microsoft entourage on osx | Jun 28 20:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Does Access really think they can compete with free Android on phones? | Jun 28 20:13 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Lefty replied that Access is selling their browser to Android and "other" phone OS'es | Jun 28 20:14 |
| ender2070 | their shitty netrunner browser | Jun 28 20:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Like anyone with a right mine would buy that browser instead of Google, Mozilia, or Opera | Jun 28 20:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Some of which are free, if not all on phones | Jun 28 20:15 |
| ender2070 | I'd go with something webkit based for mobile, or fennec | Jun 28 20:15 |
| ender2070 | maybe opera if I had to choose proprietary | Jun 28 20:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and are clearly superior | Jun 28 20:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Access have no product, and will go broke. | Jun 28 20:16 |
| ender2070 | they have ALP which nobody cares about | Jun 28 20:16 |
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| ender2070 | palmsource is access | Jun 28 20:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, why pay when you can get free Android that everyone wants | Jun 28 20:17 |
| ender2070 | not even palm wanted to use it | Jun 28 20:17 |
| ender2070 | they made webos | Jun 28 20:17 |
| ender2070 | i still own a palm tx | Jun 28 20:17 |
| ender2070 | palmos 5 | Jun 28 20:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | palmsource, or rather the BeOS holding from them, is probably the only thing of worth that Access owns. | Jun 28 20:17 |
| ender2070 | piece of crap | Jun 28 20:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and its very dated | Jun 28 20:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even the netrunner browser, as bad as it is, is dated | Jun 28 20:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | old | Jun 28 20:18 |
| ender2070 | at least it isn't 'Blazer' | Jun 28 20:19 |
| ender2070 | the web browser that came with PalmOS5 | Jun 28 20:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I wonder if Access is looking for a buyer now | Jun 28 20:19 |
| ender2070 | they arent worth anything | Jun 28 20:19 |
| ender2070 | i doubt it | Jun 28 20:19 |
| ender2070 | they own the license to two pieces of dated technology: palmos and beos | Jun 28 20:19 |
| ender2070 | haiku will replace beos | Jun 28 20:20 |
| ender2070 | and nobody other than businesses care about palmos | Jun 28 20:20 |
| ender2070 | and they can get that by buying refurbished palm handhelds | Jun 28 20:20 |
| ender2070 | for their legacy shit | Jun 28 20:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | BeOS will never be brought back from the dead as a desktop OS. You are correct about Haiku as the successor | Jun 28 20:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So the value of BeOS as an holding, goes down | Jun 28 20:23 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't see any future for Access. Unless they can get some company like Hp to buy them. | Jun 28 20:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | like HP bought Palm | Jun 28 20:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even Palm did not like PalmOS, thats why Palm made WebOS | Jun 28 20:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Palm suckered Access into buying PalmOS | Jun 28 20:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | and now, Access cannot sell it. | Jun 28 20:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Because Google is giving away Android for free | Jun 28 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | LOL | Jun 28 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cause Linux was really made to be free | Jun 28 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, you can charge for it. But when the rivals give away a superior product you will not | Jun 28 20:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I like Google | Jun 28 20:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not a perfect company, but they come as close to one as I can think of | Jun 28 20:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interview About #Go Programming, #Eclipse News http://ur1.ca/0eopy http://ur1.ca/0eopz | Jun 28 20:30 | |
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| scientes | ehhhh | Jun 28 20:30 |
| scientes | Chips_B_Malroy, you misunderstand Google | Jun 28 20:31 |
| scientes | they are the biggest threat of anything | Jun 28 20:31 |
| scientes | and they certainly do evil | Jun 28 20:31 |
| scientes | they are not a software company | Jun 28 20:31 |
| scientes | they are an information company | Jun 28 20:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | whatever | Jun 28 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | you say | Jun 28 20:32 |
| ender2070 | they actually contribute code | Jun 28 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just don't ever ask me to use Bing | Jun 28 20:32 |
| ender2070 | they are not the enemy | Jun 28 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bing is the enemy | Jun 28 20:33 |
| scientes | they certainly have the best search | Jun 28 20:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF in the Headlines, New Support Stories http://ur1.ca/0eoqo http://ur1.ca/0eoqp http://ur1.ca/0dyou http://ur1.ca/0eoqq | Jun 28 20:33 | |
| scientes | that is not debated | Jun 28 20:33 |
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| scientes | and bind is not an enemy | Jun 28 20:33 |
| scientes | *bing | Jun 28 20:33 |
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| ender2070 | bing is an enemy | Jun 28 20:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | another MS shill? | Jun 28 20:33 |
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| scientes | it has like 1% market share | Jun 28 20:33 |
| scientes | aka, it is an enemy, but not a threat, IMHO | Jun 28 20:33 |
| ender2070 | it has the same privacy problems google does | Jun 28 20:33 |
| scientes | ender2070, yes | Jun 28 20:33 |
| scientes | Chips_B_Malroy, i've been in this channel a long time | Jun 28 20:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "The #ACTA treaty is an evil thing" http://ur1.ca/0eor1 http://ur1.ca/0eor2 http://ur1.ca/0df1t http://ur1.ca/0eor3 | Jun 28 20:34 | |
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| scientes | schestowitz, agreed | Jun 28 20:34 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | worse, Bing is full of search control, and censorship | Jun 28 20:34 |
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| ender2070 | bing is full of shit | Jun 28 20:34 |
| scientes | yes | Jun 28 20:34 |
| scientes | there is two googles | Jun 28 20:34 |
| scientes | within the company | Jun 28 20:34 |
| ender2070 | you won't convince me | Jun 28 20:34 |
| scientes | nono | Jun 28 20:35 |
| scientes | bing is a piece of shit | Jun 28 20:35 |
| scientes | I agree | Jun 28 20:35 |
| ender2070 | i like google software | Jun 28 20:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Google has some privacy problems, I would agree, but compared to using MS products, it pales in comparisoin | Jun 28 20:35 |
| scientes | google is SAAS | Jun 28 20:35 |
| scientes | SAAS is evil | Jun 28 20:35 |
| scientes | why use either | Jun 28 20:35 |
| ender2070 | my favorite browser is chromium, im interested in their programming lanauge go (made by the dude who helped make C, Plan9) | Jun 28 20:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Widespread Resentment of #ACTA in the News http://ur1.ca/0eorc http://ur1.ca/0eore http://ur1.ca/0eorg http://ur1.ca/0dycr | Jun 28 20:36 | |
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| Techrights | Title: Leaked ACTA document reveals push for criminal sanctions - Yahoo! News UK .::. Size~: 35.38 KB | Jun 28 20:36 |
| Techrights | Title: EU secretly pushing to put kids in jail for sharing music: ACTA leak - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 49.36 KB | Jun 28 20:36 |
| ender2070 | i dont use chrome though | Jun 28 20:36 |
| ender2070 | far different | Jun 28 20:36 |
| scientes | google's strategy is very similar to microsoft's old one---except its information/privacy instead of api control | Jun 28 20:36 |
| ender2070 | google gave webm away | Jun 28 20:36 |
| ender2070 | they pay for youtube | Jun 28 20:37 |
| scientes | ender2070, they didn't want ogg | Jun 28 20:37 |
| ender2070 | youtube costs money to keep up | Jun 28 20:37 |
| ender2070 | ogg apparently has implementation issues | Jun 28 20:37 |
| scientes | ender2070, it makes money | Jun 28 20:37 |
| ender2070 | especially with ffmeg | Jun 28 20:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225701658&subSection=News | Jun 28 20:37 |
| scientes | yes, it costs money to keep oil wells pumping | Jun 28 20:37 |
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| ender2070 | I look at the real enemies | Jun 28 20:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Chrome and Android gaining fast. Will be big problems for companines like MS, Access, and maybe even Apple. | Jun 28 20:39 |
| ender2070 | Android is a good thing | Jun 28 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *companies | Jun 28 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Jun 28 20:39 |
| ender2070 | before android carriers werent willing to let users install *any* application on their phones | Jun 28 20:39 |
| ender2070 | they wanted strict control over that | Jun 28 20:39 |
| ender2070 | thats why apple has its censorship store | Jun 28 20:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | anything that get Windows CE based OS off of ARM computers is good | Jun 28 20:39 |
| ender2070 | with AT&T dictating what can go up | Jun 28 20:39 |
| ender2070 | eventually we'll get a 100% open source stack | Jun 28 20:41 |
| ender2070 | the other companies were willing to bend over for carriers to get their linux platforms out there (non-open ones) | Jun 28 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I will be interesting to see what HP can do with WebOS (Palm) on Tablets. If that is sucessful, maybe the next step for HP is to give an option to buy full laptops with WebOS on it, instead ofWindows | Jun 28 20:42 |
| ender2070 | doesnt webos spy on you? | Jun 28 20:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | only in Soviet Russia | Jun 28 20:42 |
| ender2070 | no serious | Jun 28 20:43 |
| ender2070 | there was an article where they found out gps location information was being sent to palm | Jun 28 20:43 |
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| scientes | yuck | Jun 28 20:47 |
| scientes | palm sucks | Jun 28 20:47 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/jun/28/microsoft-frank-shaw-numbers-analysed | Jun 28 20:50 |
| Techrights | Title: A closer look at Microsoft's morale-boosting numbers | Technology | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 153.1 KB | Jun 28 20:50 |
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| ender2070 | microsoft boosted its win7 numbers for sure | Jun 28 20:53 |
| ender2070 | i got a free legit copy from intel because i ordered a bundle with vista | Jun 28 20:53 |
| ender2070 | no upgrade, full ultimate oem | Jun 28 20:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS talks like they sold Win7 to people, but the truth is they sold it to OEM's and people paid the tax on it. People did not have a choice. | Jun 28 20:54 |
| ml2mst | I know only a single person who upgraded from Vista to Vista 7 and complained to me about it. | Jun 28 20:56 |
| ml2mst | He runs Ubuntu 10.04 now instead. | Jun 28 20:56 |
| ender2070 | I run Fedora 13 | Jun 28 20:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait | Jun 28 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | are we arguing win7 is worse than vista? | Jun 28 20:57 |
| ender2070 | no | Jun 28 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only argument worth making here is why the fuck did we have to buy a service pack for vista | Jun 28 20:57 |
| ender2070 | we were saying ms boosted their numbers | Jun 28 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | because thats all 7 is | Jun 28 20:57 |
| ml2mst | indeed :-) | Jun 28 20:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Jun 28 20:58 |
| ender2070 | and a new taskbar.exe | Jun 28 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | when the fuck | Jun 28 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | is microsoft going to hire me | Jun 28 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Jun 28 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I will troll for money | Jun 28 20:58 |
| ender2070 | LOL! | Jun 28 20:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | at this point, they need all the help they can get | Jun 28 20:58 |
| ender2070 | you might be able to get a job at access trolling | Jun 28 20:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Even trolling is not helping MS that much anymore | Jun 28 20:59 |
| ender2070 | they hire professional trolls | Jun 28 20:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | Chips_B_Malroy: no, but at least I can get some of that MS money before the titanic sinks | Jun 28 20:59 |
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| ender2070 | you could probably even call other peoples employers and get them fired | Jun 28 20:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: meh. | Jun 28 21:00 |
| ml2mst | Yup professional Übertrolls >:-( | Jun 28 21:00 |
| *Diablo-D3 should start a microsoft blog | Jun 28 21:00 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If Android and ChromeOS computers come out for Xmas season and do well, MS will be in big trouble. | Jun 28 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | billgatesisgod.com | Jun 28 21:00 |
| ender2070 | lol diablo-d3 | Jun 28 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and talk about how wonderful and productive C# is | Jun 28 21:00 |
| ender2070 | just rewrite what you read in COLA from the trolls | Jun 28 21:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | ender2070: wait it gets better | Jun 28 21:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the example c# | Jun 28 21:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | is going to be java | Jun 28 21:01 |
| ender2070 | ROFL | Jun 28 21:01 |
| ender2070 | yes! | Jun 28 21:01 |
| ender2070 | i wonder how many comments you get from people trying to compile it in visual c# | Jun 28 21:01 |
| *Diablo-D3 cackles | Jun 28 21:01 | |
| ender2070 | just get one or two people to comment saying it worked and the fun will never end | Jun 28 21:03 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 21:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] LowEndMac.com: "My time in the #Mac world is numbered. My love of #Ubuntu has grown." http://ur1.ca/0eoz7 | Jun 28 21:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Desktops Good Enough for #Dell , Education http://ur1.ca/0eoz8 http://ur1.ca/0eoz9 | Jun 28 21:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://techrights.org/2010/06/25/few-cash-cows-remaining/ | Jun 28 21:06 |
| Techrights | Title: Former Microsoft Executive: Microsoft Should Lay Off 30%-40% of Its Workforce | Techrights .::. Size~: 100.36 KB | Jun 28 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | fire everyone not working on Office or Windows, basically | Jun 28 21:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] Bilski's business patent rejected by the Supreme Court but no MoT-Test for the rest of US | Jun 28 21:08 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "fire everyone not working on Office or Windows, basically" And in a few years, that is exactly where MS will be. And in India. | Jun 28 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | I should be Microsoft's CEO | Jun 28 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 28 21:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Only way MS can stay profitable for long with Ballmer in charge | Jun 28 21:09 |
| ender2070 | actually | Jun 28 21:09 |
| ender2070 | If MS really wanted to destroy Linux it would make a Linux based OS | Jun 28 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | I would bring them in line with standards as written, or at the very least, grant a patent license to the general public to implement their own versions of most stuff | Jun 28 21:09 |
| ender2070 | it would cause enough people to quit using linux | Jun 28 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing that would save Microsoft now is becoming more open, no tjust paying lip service | Jun 28 21:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They need to give up being control freaks, drop the DRM and WGA. They need to replace every XBox360 sold with good engineered ones for free. | Jun 28 21:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And they need to drop the price, and work on security and less bloat | Jun 28 21:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | all of the things, that Ballmer will never do | Jun 28 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | I'd probably start with XBOX Live, make that free | Jun 28 21:12 |
| ender2070 | Chips_B_Malroy - i'd love to see every product made in china to have such rules | Jun 28 21:12 |
| ender2070 | free replacement if it breaks | Jun 28 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | it costs them next to nothing to operate anyway, it's jsut one big giant P2P system | Jun 28 21:12 |
| ender2070 | wii has free online | Jun 28 21:14 |
| ender2070 | ps3 has free online | Jun 28 21:14 |
| ender2070 | except ps3 has a paid bonus | Jun 28 21:14 |
| ender2070 | or is adding one | Jun 28 21:14 |
| ender2070 | cant remember | Jun 28 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I have an old PS1 and a PS2 that was given to me by friends for cleaning up their infected windows computers | Jun 28 21:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Never use them | Jun 28 21:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I did have to fix the lense on one of the PS2'2 | Jun 28 21:15 |
| scientes | sony recently force removed other os (linux) suport from ps3 | Jun 28 21:15 |
| scientes | in a automatic update | Jun 28 21:15 |
| scientes | very similar to what apple does | Jun 28 21:16 |
| scientes | so like, bam, linux is gone | Jun 28 21:16 |
| scientes | with an auto update | Jun 28 21:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Sony was smarter than MS with the PS3. By using Blueray drives, Sony cut down on bogus game copying. | Jun 28 21:17 |
| scientes | "bogus"? | Jun 28 21:17 |
| scientes | how is a copy bogus? | Jun 28 21:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | XBox360 is plagued with copyed game disks, with video's everywhere on how to do it | Jun 28 21:17 |
| scientes | "plagued" | Jun 28 21:18 |
| scientes | again, how is it a pestilence? | Jun 28 21:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | bogus as is people did not buy the game | Jun 28 21:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS did not get paid | Jun 28 21:18 |
| scientes | but does that make it "bogus" | Jun 28 21:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *plauged | Jun 28 21:18 |
| scientes | http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=bogus | Jun 28 21:18 |
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| DaemonFC | ender2070: Yeah, in business it's more important that your customers don't feel nickel and dimed than if you are actually nickel and diming them | Jun 28 21:18 |
| scientes | "S: (adj) bogus, fake, phony, phoney, bastard (fraudulent; having a misleading appearance) " | Jun 28 21:18 |
| scientes | I dont see how it meets that definition | Jun 28 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | XBOX Live is the most obvious spot where customers feel cheated | Jun 28 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | make it free | Jun 28 21:19 |
| scientes | the CD don't look like the retail ones | Jun 28 21:19 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - video games in general are being like that | Jun 28 21:19 |
| scientes | so how are they fraudulent? | Jun 28 21:19 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - look how many games these days use addon-packs to sell you the rest of the game | Jun 28 21:19 |
| scientes | again: http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=plague | Jun 28 21:19 |
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| scientes | which definition? | Jun 28 21:19 |
| ender2070 | most of the addon-packs are very small too | Jun 28 21:19 |
| ender2070 | they simply unlock content that was already there | Jun 28 21:19 |
| ender2070 | they make more money if they sell parts of the end seperately | Jun 28 21:20 |
| scientes | watch your use of propaganda words | Jun 28 21:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | are you an english teacher? | Jun 28 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: My way of running things, content packs would be free | Jun 28 21:20 |
| scientes | especially when your use doesn't even meet the definitions of those words | Jun 28 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | value-added for paying customers | Jun 28 21:20 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jun 28 21:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I use my words, and you use yours | Jun 28 21:20 |
| ender2070 | some companies still do this | Jun 28 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | make them feel like there's a good reason to buy the game and not pirate it | Jun 28 21:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | fair enough? | Jun 28 21:20 |
| scientes | but your words are not correct | Jun 28 21:20 |
| ender2070 | eve online gives away free expansion packs | Jun 28 21:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | then suffer | Jun 28 21:20 |
| scientes | cause they are your own defintions | Jun 28 21:20 |
| ender2070 | blizzard sells them, and they add content later on to finish them | Jun 28 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | put me on ignore, if I care | Jun 28 21:21 |
| ender2070 | blizzard is selling starcraft 2 in parts | Jun 28 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: I wouldn't mind paying $60 a game if I know there's going to be a solid stream of bugfixes and at least one expansion pack thrown in | Jun 28 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen some companies doing that | Jun 28 21:21 |
| ender2070 | you have to buy the expansions to get the storyline for zerg and protoss | Jun 28 21:21 |
| scientes | ender2070, meh, thats fair | Jun 28 21:22 |
| ender2070 | not so | Jun 28 21:22 |
| scientes | it might not be nice | Jun 28 21:22 |
| ender2070 | its not fair at all | Jun 28 21:22 |
| scientes | I think it is lame | Jun 28 21:22 |
| ender2070 | they're doing it on purpose to extract more money from us | Jun 28 21:22 |
| scientes | absoutely | Jun 28 21:22 |
| scientes | isn't that obvious | Jun 28 21:22 |
| ender2070 | they can sell the same $60 came 3 times | Jun 28 21:22 |
| scientes | but I wouldn't buy it in the first place | Jun 28 21:22 |
| scientes | no LAN play | Jun 28 21:22 |
| ender2070 | game* | Jun 28 21:22 |
| scientes | I refuse to be locked in | Jun 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: I could easily outcompete the PS3 if I was running the XBOX division | Jun 28 21:23 |
| ender2070 | theres no lock in | Jun 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft has a "can't see the forest cause of all the damned trees" management team | Jun 28 21:23 |
| scientes | for multiplayer you have to use their service | Jun 28 21:23 |
| scientes | you cant play over the lan | Jun 28 21:23 |
| ender2070 | so? | Jun 28 21:23 |
| ender2070 | its free | Jun 28 21:23 |
| ender2070 | it kills piracy | Jun 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | they're so worried about nickel and diming you up front that they're unconcerned about what that does to the perception of the brand | Jun 28 21:23 |
| ender2070 | you wont get 8 cheapskates playing one purchased copy | Jun 28 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | they're used to getting away with that in Office and Windows | Jun 28 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | and it doesn't work when you have two healthy competitors | Jun 28 21:24 |
| ender2070 | but they went to far in selling the game 3 times for the full story | Jun 28 21:24 |
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| ender2070 | basicly blizzard wants to make sure it makes money on every copy people are playing multiplayer | Jun 28 21:24 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/06/the-supreme-court-loses-its-cryptographer.ars | Jun 28 21:24 |
| ender2070 | because that wasnt the case before | Jun 28 21:24 |
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| ender2070 | you could install a guest copy before | Jun 28 21:25 |
| ender2070 | and they want to sell the same game 3 times | Jun 28 21:25 |
| scientes | ender2070, starcraft 1 actually explicitely allowed that | Jun 28 21:25 |
| scientes | <ender2070> you wont get 8 cheapskates playing one purchased copy | Jun 28 21:25 |
| ender2070 | i'm sure the expansions will have new units to get the multiplayer-only people iinterested | Jun 28 21:25 |
| scientes | it had starcraft ghost copy | Jun 28 21:25 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | so you could play multiplayer with one copy | Jun 28 21:26 |
| ender2070 | they lost a ton of money doing that | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | *one CD | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | no | Jun 28 21:26 |
| ender2070 | activision owns them this time | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | they made a ton of money | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | cause you would invite friends over | Jun 28 21:26 |
| ender2070 | yeah but they think they can make even more | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | and they would get into it, and they buy a CD | Jun 28 21:26 |
| ender2070 | by forcing everyone to buy their own copy | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | well, im not buying SC 2 if that means anything | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | they aint forcing me | Jun 28 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is acting like a spoiled brat (Windows and Office) thrown into the real world (XBOX, Bing, Zune, etc.) and trying to use its normal manipulative tactics because it has always worked for them before | Jun 28 21:26 |
| ender2070 | im not buying it either | Jun 28 21:26 |
| scientes | exactly | Jun 28 21:26 |
| ender2070 | its not a linux game | Jun 28 21:27 |
| scientes | but i did buy SC 1 | Jun 28 21:27 |
| ender2070 | its not even open source | Jun 28 21:27 |
| scientes | and it was worth every peny | Jun 28 21:27 |
| scientes | in fact I bought 2 copies | Jun 28 21:27 |
| scientes | 2 CDs | Jun 28 21:27 |
| ender2070 | I have my old copy | Jun 28 21:27 |
| scientes | and BW even though it doesn't even have a CD key | Jun 28 21:27 |
| yuhong | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/06/activision-teaches-microsoft-how-to-overspend-at-e3.ars | Jun 28 21:27 |
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| scientes | I only have the key | Jun 28 21:27 |
| scientes | but that is enough to play on Bnet | Jun 28 21:27 |
| ender2070 | hey guess what | Jun 28 21:28 |
| ender2070 | go to blizzard.net | Jun 28 21:28 |
| ender2070 | sign up and register it | Jun 28 21:28 |
| ender2070 | you'll get a free broodwars license | Jun 28 21:29 |
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| scientes | there are not any broodwar licenses | Jun 28 21:29 |
| ender2070 | there was no broodwars key so you get it free | Jun 28 21:29 |
| scientes | BW doesn't have CD keys | Jun 28 21:29 |
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| ender2070 | you'll be able to get XP/Vista workable copies of starcraft (fully updated too) and broodwars (fully updated) as .exe installers | Jun 28 21:29 |
| ender2070 | works in wine | Jun 28 21:29 |
| scientes | I already have SC' | Jun 28 21:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The English continent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalonia | Jun 28 21:30 | |
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| scientes | <ender2070> works in wine | Jun 28 21:30 |
| ender2070 | they'll give you broodwar | Jun 28 21:30 |
| ender2070 | free | Jun 28 21:30 |
| scientes | at 640x480 | Jun 28 21:30 |
| ender2070 | you can download it from blizzard.net | Jun 28 21:30 |
| scientes | what I do is use my 2 monitor setup and change down the res of my 1280x1024 to half | Jun 28 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/38320041#notice-38557666 "@schestowitz eager with the result of this soap opera" | Jun 28 21:31 |
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| GrayRat | schestowitz, dunno why but something makes me think your skin's color is more black than white | Jun 28 21:31 |
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| ender2070 | that was weird | Jun 28 21:31 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jun 28 21:31 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jun 28 21:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Severed Fifth is seeking a bassist based here in the bay area - more details at http://soc.li/06oEf7j :-) #severedfifth | Jun 28 21:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #GNU #Linux Runs on 150Mhz PCs http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2010/06/25/more-distros-at-150mhz-both-good-and-bad/ | Jun 28 21:32 | |
| Techrights | Title: Severed Fifth Seeks Bassist | Severed Fifth .::. Size~: 19.73 KB | Jun 28 21:32 |
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| *DaemonFC throws the complete DVD set of Jerry Springer at schestowitz | Jun 28 21:32 | |
| DaemonFC | we'll see him again in a few months | Jun 28 21:32 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/183882 "if you have time and the mood strikes you, i think you'll find that the free software movement is more open- both in its processes, politics, and its dealings with the public- than open source" | Jun 28 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | bon bon? | Jun 28 21:32 |
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| DaemonFC | my coffee maker came | Jun 28 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't seem cheap-ish | Jun 28 21:33 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] fsdaily.com appears to be up and running again. !techrights | Jun 28 21:33 | |
| DaemonFC | yay | Jun 28 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/38336878#notice-38576070 "As I feared, the SCOTUS ruling omitted the patentability of software. We're still in grey skies with Linux. Grey clouds..." | Jun 28 21:34 |
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| *DaemonFC scrubbed everything down real good and is running a couple brew cycles of water through it | Jun 28 21:34 | |
| DaemonFC | never know what has cadmium, lead, and who knows what else on it | Jun 28 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | it's all made in China | Jun 28 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | better clean it off real good just to be sur | Jun 28 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 28 21:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rysiek may be of interest: after only 24hrs a Polish petition for MEPs to sign the Declaration WD12 (anti-#ACTA) has 500+ signatures | Jun 28 21:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rysiek here's the petition: http://acta.wikidot.com/, the signatures: http://is.gd/d7ZMz, and the Declaration: http://is.gd/d7ZOq | Jun 28 21:36 | |
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| ender2070 | gotta love faux anarchists (the ones with communism logos on them) | Jun 28 21:36 |
| ender2070 | didn't know anarchists like communism | Jun 28 21:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Graphics Stack & #Linux #Kernel Space: PowerTop Tested, Improvements http://ur1.ca/0ep9m http://ur1.ca/0ep9n http://ur1.ca/0ep9o | Jun 28 21:38 | |
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| ender2070 | See | Jun 28 21:38 |
| ender2070 | Ubuntu is catching up to Fedora! | Jun 28 21:38 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/27/windows_phone_7_ads/ | Jun 28 21:39 |
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| ender2070 | Fedora 12 had rootless x if you used KMS compatible drivers | Jun 28 21:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is just going win with this stategy | Jun 28 21:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rcweir Reviewing paper proposals for the #ODF track of the OpenOffice.org Conference. Many strong submissions. | Jun 28 21:40 | |
| DaemonFC | I decided to go back to Pidgin after taking a look at Windows Live 2010 | Jun 28 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | The "Do you want a little application with that ad/spyware?" Edition | Jun 28 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | they're really turning it into the Whorepack Essentials | Jun 28 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | it has so much shovelware bundled with it that doesn't even tell you it's installing | Jun 28 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | that's after the bloated applications full of ads in every window | Jun 28 21:43 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Fedora 12 had rootless X with KVM drivers, Ubuntu is just playing catch-up !fedora !ubuntu | Jun 28 21:43 | |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Windows Live Messenger sucks! | Jun 28 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Windows Live also sucks! | Jun 28 21:45 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 21:45 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc isnt the brightest | Jun 28 21:45 |
| scientes | correct | Jun 28 21:45 |
| scientes | thats why i have him on ignore | Jun 28 21:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2010/06/windows_phone_7_4.html | Jun 28 21:48 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pocketgamer.biz/r/PG.Biz/Windows+Phone+7/news.asp?c=21811 | Jun 28 21:49 |
| Techrights | Title: Opinion: Seven problems Microsoft will have to overcome to make Windows Phone 7 a success, news, Windows Phone 7 , PocketGamer.biz .::. Size~: 41.78 KB | Jun 28 21:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FSDaily is back now, after 3 days of downtime | Jun 28 21:51 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A comment on the next to the last link I put up: "Microsoft is going to try to sell Windows Phone 7 using the name recognition of Windows 7 on the desktop. This is the kind of tactic expected from used car salesmen. It will backfire on Microsoft. People will expect the desktop system, capable of running desktop apps, on a phone. It can't be done, it isn't even planned, and there are going to be some very very unhappy | Jun 28 21:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | customers." | Jun 28 21:53 |
| ender2070 | i'm gonna give kde 4.4.90 a shot | Jun 28 21:53 |
| ender2070 | fedora 13 | Jun 28 21:53 |
| *amarsh04_ is now known as amarsh04 | Jun 28 21:54 | |
| schestowitz | [21:32] * DaemonFC throws the complete DVD set of Jerry Springer at schestowitz | Jun 28 21:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Can people really think they are getting Windows7 (desktop) on a cell phone? On an ARM Smartbook (laptop) with Windows CE with XP wallpaper, I can see that. | Jun 28 21:55 |
| *schestowitz throws the complete DVD set of Jerry Springer at Jabba | Jun 28 21:55 | |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I have a winmobile post for tomorrow | Jun 28 21:57 |
| schestowitz | I'll add your refs | Jun 28 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Figured you might | Jun 28 21:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva and #RedHat (RPM) Family Reports http://ur1.ca/0epht http://ur1.ca/0ephu http://ur1.ca/0ephv | Jun 28 21:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Gr... server hardly responds today | Jun 28 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I think it's the Bilski page (as text) | Jun 28 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I can't make more posts | Jun 28 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/28/1923221/Leaked-MS-Presentation-Shows-App-Store-Plans-For-Windows-8 | Jun 28 22:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] X-Plane (Game) on #GNU #Linux in Review http://ur1.ca/0ephq http://ur1.ca/0ephs | Jun 28 22:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | Slashdot is pimping Windows 8 (that doesn't exist) some more with (intentionally) leaked memos | Jun 28 22:00 |
| ender2070 | ewww | Jun 28 22:00 |
| ender2070 | app store for windows? | Jun 28 22:00 |
| ender2070 | does that mean you need to rebuy all your apps | Jun 28 22:00 |
| ender2070 | like in WinMobile7 | Jun 28 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh, it leaks to Ina Fried | Jun 28 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | well, this explains everything | Jun 28 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: More like, you buy your apps, they only work on authorized PCs, and 3rd party developers pay Microsoft to be a centralized DRM and download service | Jun 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like Steam for Windows apps | Jun 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's how I see this | Jun 28 22:02 |
| ender2070 | thats what I am thinking | Jun 28 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's not good news for Wine | Jun 28 22:03 |
| ender2070 | like the apple store | Jun 28 22:03 |
| ender2070 | they know people will accept it (apple customers are a good example) | Jun 28 22:03 |
| ender2070 | Windows 8 - Jailbroken Edition | Jun 28 22:03 |
| ender2070 | that will be on the pirate bay before its official release | Jun 28 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | They need to call it the Rent to Never Own store | Jun 28 22:03 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 22:03 |
| ender2070 | maybe they finally at least destroy backwards compatibility with 32-bit ? | Jun 28 22:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Only one thing MS learned out of the Vista train wreck, and that was to get the next versions out quicker. | Jun 28 22:04 |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Jun 28 22:04 | |
| DaemonFC | they'll say that the new system prevents malware attacks and inconsistent DRM (a Microsoft DRM monopoly is better?) | Jun 28 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | and what it really does is use your TPM or something to anchor the program to your physical PCs | Jun 28 22:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So yes, Windows 8 will probably be out sooner than later, because MS wants to be paid for service packs most likely. | Jun 28 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | and obviously this means that you can't run any Windows 8 software in Wine | Jun 28 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | because there's no direct download anywhere | Jun 28 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | other than the Big Mean Ballmer DRM Machine | Jun 28 22:05 |
| ender2070 | there will probably be blackmarket jailbroken apps | Jun 28 22:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] If Apple became an ISP would the block porn? Non-Apple OS's? Flash? http://tinyurl.com/29r2h7c | Jun 28 22:06 | |
| ender2070 | windows is quite popular | Jun 28 22:06 |
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| ender2070 | the pirates will just bypass it | Jun 28 22:06 |
| ender2070 | the legit customers will pay more | Jun 28 22:06 |
| ender2070 | people who paid $1000+ for visual studio 2010 will be pissed | Jun 28 22:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It will be increasingly harder to pirate newer Windows, IMO. Because MS needs to squeeze more out of the dieing cash cow. | Jun 28 22:08 |
| ender2070 | i dont support piracy of ms products | Jun 28 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | but they gave their money to a worthy cause | Jun 28 22:08 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Going to try out KDE 4.4.90 on Fedora 13 (kde-unstable) !fedora !kde | Jun 28 22:08 | |
| DaemonFC | not fighting AIDS or saving wild life | Jun 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | making Ballmer's bank account slightly fatter | Jun 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | at least they didn't give it to the Clubbing Baby Seals Fund | Jun 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Whoa, crazy inbox today... | Jun 28 22:09 |
| ender2070 | people pirate windows because most think its the only free way to get an os | Jun 28 22:09 |
| ender2070 | a lot of people still dont know about linux | Jun 28 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Overload of people sending stuff about it. I can't keep up with the other news this week. | Jun 28 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: This coffe *is* zomg delicious | Jun 28 22:10 |
| ender2070 | when I tell some poeple about this free thing called linux, they assume im talking about pirating something other than windows | Jun 28 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | of course it should be for what amounts to $16 per pound | Jun 28 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | *coffee | Jun 28 22:10 |
| ender2070 | windows being free as in beer might save them | Jun 28 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | (store brand coffee is usually like $2 for a pound) | Jun 28 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | for reference | Jun 28 22:11 |
| *DaemonFC is glad they don't have his real credit card number or he'd never get rid of them | Jun 28 22:12 | |
| ender2070 | door to door ppl? | Jun 28 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | no, I sent off for one of those Gevalia coffee pot deals | Jun 28 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | came with 4 half pound boxes of gourmet coffee, and a luxurious travel mug | Jun 28 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 28 22:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Examples of Embedded #Linux Spreading http://ur1.ca/0epqd http://ur1.ca/0epqe http://ur1.ca/0epqh http://ur1.ca/0epqi | Jun 28 22:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] eReaders Run Linux, Helicopter Runs #Linux , #Chumby Too http://ur1.ca/0epqc http://ur1.ca/0epqf http://ur1.ca/0epqg | Jun 28 22:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | all for the low low (introductory) price of $20 | Jun 28 22:13 |
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| DaemonFC | but they don't have my real card number | Jun 28 22:13 |
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| ender2070 | nice | Jun 28 22:13 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: COFEE | Jun 28 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | so the next time they go to send me something, the system will deny it | Jun 28 22:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.microsoft.com/industry/government/solutions/cofee/default.aspx | Jun 28 22:13 |
| ender2070 | COFFEE!!!!! | Jun 28 22:13 |
| ender2070 | spell it right | Jun 28 22:13 |
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| ender2070 | it deserves that | Jun 28 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'm having some of the Cinnamon stuff now | Jun 28 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | with cream and splenda | Jun 28 22:14 |
| ender2070 | i like splenda | Jun 28 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | tastes just like that Cinnabon coffee | Jun 28 22:14 |
| ender2070 | doesnt destroy teeth | Jun 28 22:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gevalia coffee is really bad stuff. The 99cent only stores here sell the decaf versions. | Jun 28 22:14 |
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| DaemonFC | you mean the expired stuff | Jun 28 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | dollar stores only get expired stuff and stuff custoemrs didn't like at retail | Jun 28 22:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not really expired, just bad tasted | Jun 28 22:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *taste | Jun 28 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart uses them to get rid of stuff quickly and cut their losses | Jun 28 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: I don't know what you got, this stuff is good | Jun 28 22:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not all dollar stores do that | Jun 28 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | not $16 a pound good | Jun 28 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | but at least as good as the whole bean gourmet stuff Walmart has for like $8 a pound | Jun 28 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 28 22:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but then, its not decafe either, is it? | Jun 28 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jun 28 22:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That makes a big difference | Jun 28 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'll never drink decaf willingly | Jun 28 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | no jolt, tastes funny | Jun 28 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | no thank you | Jun 28 22:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] But this fact does not mean that unforeseen innovations such as computer programs are always unpatentable: http://ur1.ca/0epry | Jun 28 22:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | I do love my coffee though | Jun 28 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I did too, but no more | Jun 28 22:17 |
| ender2070 | I love caffeine | Jun 28 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | I make about 8 cups twice a day | Jun 28 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 28 22:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That will catch up to you | Jun 28 22:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Farewell, Stevens: the Supreme Court loses its cryptographer - http://bit.ly/bzIowi pity he was overruled on Bilski #swpats | Jun 28 22:18 | |
| DaemonFC | my coffee mug actually holds four US cups | Jun 28 22:18 |
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| DaemonFC | so I make 8 cups so I can get two full coffee mugs worth :D | Jun 28 22:18 |
| ender2070 | i don't really like the taste of coffee | Jun 28 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | Chips_B_Malroy: My blood pressure is not affected really | Jun 28 22:18 |
| ender2070 | i drink it for the caffeine | Jun 28 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | coffee or no coffee | Jun 28 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | I've tested it both ways | Jun 28 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | the difference is statistical noise | Jun 28 22:19 |
| ender2070 | for $1 or $2 I can get coffee for a month | Jun 28 22:19 |
| ender2070 | vs other forms of caffeinated drinks | Jun 28 22:19 |
| ender2070 | $2.99 for a can of Monster, or other energy drink | Jun 28 22:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | You can develop Ulcers from too much coffee. | Jun 28 22:20 |
| ender2070 | You can develop cancer from too much sun | Jun 28 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, those energy drinks are a rip off | Jun 28 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | $2.50 for a Java Monster | Jun 28 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | good, but not that good | Jun 28 22:20 |
| ender2070 | You can develop cancer from too much Vitimin C | Jun 28 22:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | probably coffee too | Jun 28 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Humans have a genetic defect that causes the body to be unable to produce vitamin C itself | Jun 28 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | like most other mammals can | Jun 28 22:21 |
| ender2070 | I get energy drinks occassionally because they often hold several cups of coffee worth of caffeine, plus taurine (helps your liver break it down) | Jun 28 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | reminds me of Jurassic Park, the Lysine contingency | Jun 28 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 28 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | then the dinosaurs just start eating the dinosaurs that eat the plants that have lysine | Jun 28 22:22 |
| ender2070 | but they are too expensive to consume daily | Jun 28 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | doh! | Jun 28 22:22 |
| ender2070 | most have labels on them saying not to drink more than one per day | Jun 28 22:22 |
| ender2070 | they used to say two per day | Jun 28 22:22 |
| ender2070 | 350mg is the daily safe caffeine limit | Jun 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: You know, when they start genetically engineering humans and it becomes the norm.... | Jun 28 22:23 |
| ender2070 | if you have a regular metabolism | Jun 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | they'll probably fix the defective Vitamin C gene while they're under the hood anyway | Jun 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 28 22:23 |
| ender2070 | [17:06] <DaemonFC> ender2070: You know, when they start genetically engineering humans and it becomes the norm.... | Jun 28 22:23 |
| ender2070 | i think they already do this | Jun 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Jun 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's just basic stuff now | Jun 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | hair color, eye color, sex | Jun 28 22:23 |
| ender2070 | that you can see | Jun 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | damned 90 year olds in Congress and their "Christian" ethics | Jun 28 22:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Docs viewer on Mobile Browsers - http://bit.ly/9Z2HOV hey, you forgot to support ODF's .odt: I thought you were clever #mobile #odf | Jun 28 22:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facebook Steals the Architect of Google Chrome OS - http://bit.ly/9o07v8 wow, symbolic or what? #facebook #google | Jun 28 22:24 | |
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| ender2070 | huxley was talking about the different genetic traits they would be able to change before they 'discovered' the genes | Jun 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | I want the Aryan Master Race already goddamn it | Jun 28 22:24 |
| ender2070 | military technology is 50 years ahead of what we get | Jun 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | run my DNA through a filter | Jun 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | turn me into an army of supermen clones | Jun 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 28 22:24 |
| ender2070 | i bet you they already have quantum computers running everyones personality profile | Jun 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: You know that's where genetic engineering will head | Jun 28 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | racist Nazi-esque governments | Jun 28 22:25 |
| ender2070 | no | Jun 28 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | genetically engineering armies of super soldiers within their own race | Jun 28 22:25 |
| ender2070 | genetic engineering will lead to purpose born humans | Jun 28 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | That might be World War 4 | Jun 28 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jun 28 22:25 |
| ender2070 | remember clone wars? | Jun 28 22:26 |
| ender2070 | think of that | Jun 28 22:26 |
| ender2070 | but for any job | Jun 28 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://www4.army.mil/OCPA/uploads/large/LandWarrior_print_woods.jpg | Jun 28 22:26 |
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| ender2070 | instead of paying to put you through school and risk having you end up on welfare, they have you born with the skills they need | Jun 28 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | don't run, we are your friends! | Jun 28 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | don't run, we are your friends! | Jun 28 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 28 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: Yeah, that would be prudent | Jun 28 22:27 |
| ender2070 | you know thats what the rich elite want | Jun 28 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | they could call it Project Miranda | Jun 28 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jun 28 22:27 |
| ender2070 | theres another thing behind the scenes too | Jun 28 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Reavers!!!! | Jun 28 22:27 |
| ender2070 | there were some elites talking about human brain capacity | Jun 28 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcAvVRcJ35g | Jun 28 22:28 |
| Techrights | Title: YouTube- "Who are the Reavers?" .::. Size~: 89.47 KB | Jun 28 22:28 |
| ender2070 | they said it would eventually be possible, to put you into a virtual world where you think you're on the moon as james bond or something, meanwhile your body is doing manual labour out in a barn somewhere | Jun 28 22:28 |
| cubezzz | I think I'll pass on that :) | Jun 28 22:29 |
| ender2070 | that would be the most humane method of slavery | Jun 28 22:29 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070: When the Reavers come, do yourself a favor. | Jun 28 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | earmark the first bullet for yourself :) | Jun 28 22:29 |
| cubezzz | wouldn't that imply 2 brains? | Jun 28 22:29 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - what I said? | Jun 28 22:30 |
| cubezzz | or remote control of your body | Jun 28 22:30 |
| ender2070 | probably remote control of your body while your brain is occupied in the matrix | Jun 28 22:30 |
| ender2070 | they predictivly programmed the idea into us, if we saw Surrogates | Jun 28 22:30 |
| cubezzz | even if that were possible, it sounds like a very bad idea | Jun 28 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | "They'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing, and if we're very, very lucky....they'll do it in that order." | Jun 28 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 28 22:31 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 22:31 |
| ender2070 | The Road | Jun 28 22:31 |
| ender2070 | i thought it was a terrible movie | Jun 28 22:31 |
| cubezzz | just imagine your brain being interfaced with windows | Jun 28 22:31 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - oh god | Jun 28 22:31 |
| cubezzz | it's too horrible to imagine :) | Jun 28 22:32 |
| ender2070 | might be the first case that microsoft literally kills someone | Jun 28 22:32 |
| ender2070 | tho, the ms powered cars might do it too | Jun 28 22:32 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure it's happened already, just not directly | Jun 28 22:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hardwired is another movie. Imagine MS doing that with the chips. | Jun 28 22:32 |
| cubezzz | screwing around with the brain is... it just seems like a very bad idea | Jun 28 22:33 |
| ender2070 | We could *already* be in a matrix, where our bodies are being used for manual labour. | Jun 28 22:33 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | yes, take the pill, then go back to work | Jun 28 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | believe whatever you want to believe | Jun 28 22:33 |
| ender2070 | there was one researcher who was suggesting we already live in a programmed reality | Jun 28 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | it makes no difference at all :) | Jun 28 22:34 |
| cubezzz | well that's a metaphysical question | Jun 28 22:34 |
| ender2070 | he pointed out the quantum research | Jun 28 22:34 |
| ender2070 | where the experiment is modified by the observer | Jun 28 22:34 |
| cubezzz | and no, i don't think so | Jun 28 22:34 |
| ender2070 | nobody would ever know it if it were true | Jun 28 22:35 |
| cubezzz | if it were a programmed reality things wouldn't be so messed up | Jun 28 22:35 |
| ender2070 | our science would also be programmed to never allow us to find out | Jun 28 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Alito said government can restrict gun ownership in certain instances but did not elaborate on what those would be. That will be determined in future litigation." | Jun 28 22:35 |
| ender2070 | because in a perfect simulation, the objects arent aware | Jun 28 22:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Now you are talking tought control. Television is the best example of that. Before that, Religion. | Jun 28 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *thought | Jun 28 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | typo | Jun 28 22:36 |
| cubezzz | there is thought control yes | Jun 28 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | Whatever the ATF says you can have | Jun 28 22:36 |
| ender2070 | i was talking about philosophy | Jun 28 22:36 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | "We won't restrict your rights to own firearms, except when we restrict your rights to carry firearms" | Jun 28 22:36 |
| cubezzz | I can't explain the world-wide predominance of windows in any other way | Jun 28 22:36 |
| ender2070 | TV is the best example of thought control | Jun 28 22:37 |
| cubezzz | of course people are mentally lazy | Jun 28 22:37 |
| ender2070 | I agree | Jun 28 22:37 |
| ender2070 | TV & Movies | Jun 28 22:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I've just committed into #elmdentica 's svn trunk the GUI to edit gag lists. Just add FOO and you'll never read FOO again (case independent) | Jun 28 22:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Home Office internal document reveals bunker mentality of secrecy and suppression - http://bit.ly/cgJzOk truly shabby #foi #secrecy #uk | Jun 28 22:37 | |
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| ender2070 | theres a term called 'predictive programming' | Jun 28 22:37 |
| cubezzz | I think movies are generally crap | Jun 28 22:37 |
| ender2070 | fiction is used to push ideas that will be attempted in the future | Jun 28 22:37 |
| cubezzz | I can't even tell you one movie I really liked in the last decade | Jun 28 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | What shocked me is that the Christians lost their big case today | Jun 28 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | whether their campus groups can be taxpayer funded while they exclude people who have the gay | Jun 28 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jun 28 22:38 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - im not surprised | Jun 28 22:38 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - the major banks dont fund any of their efforts any more it seems | Jun 28 22:38 |
| ender2070 | since they are against gayness and abortion | Jun 28 22:39 |
| ender2070 | two methods of unknowing population control | Jun 28 22:39 |
| ender2070 | well one method | Jun 28 22:39 |
| ender2070 | the other is known | Jun 28 22:39 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 22:39 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: just got home..what case is that | Jun 28 22:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Look at #Rockbox 3.6 http://lwn.net/Articles/391982/ | Jun 28 22:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Many Free/Open Source Events Coming http://ur1.ca/0epzd http://ur1.ca/0epzg http://ur1.ca/0epzh http://ur1.ca/0epzj | Jun 28 22:40 | |
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| DaemonFC | The case is Christian Legal Society v. Martinez | Jun 28 22:40 |
| schestowitz | "On one hand I am somewhat disappointed to see how little reaction is caused when a rockstar from our community like tatica get out and shout her frustration with politics in Fedora LATAM and not only but on the other I am not, knowing how she was driven out of Planet mostly by the same people and now is posting half-anonymously under the "Fedora Venezuela" label." http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2010/06/dissension.html | Jun 28 22:40 |
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| DaemonFC | " By a vote of 5 to 4, the justices said that a public university does not have to recognize a student religious group that wants to exclude gays and others who do not share its core beliefs. The University of California's Hastings College of the Law said its anti-discrimination policy required officially recognized student groups to include all who wanted to join. The Christian Legal Society argued that being forced to | Jun 28 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | not share its beliefs violated constitutional protections of freedom of association and exercise of religion." | Jun 28 22:40 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: you can become a fedora KDE developer... like Seigo | Jun 28 22:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Seems I beated Pino and Gwibber on implementation of a gag feature... | Jun 28 22:41 | |
| schestowitz | http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.5-rc1.php | Jun 28 22:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Free/Open Source Events {ctd.} http://ur1.ca/0eq0i http://ur1.ca/0eq0j http://ur1.ca/0eq0k http://ur1.ca/0eq0l | Jun 28 22:42 | |
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| ender2070 | Seigo is a fedora developer? | Jun 28 22:42 |
| schestowitz | no, kde | Jun 28 22:43 |
| schestowitz | He used to do 'cloud' type stuff | Jun 28 22:43 |
| ender2070 | ohhh | Jun 28 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It's in the latest episode of FLOSS Weekly | Jun 28 22:43 |
| ender2070 | I misunderstood then | Jun 28 22:43 |
| ender2070 | [17:24] <schestowitz> ender2070: you can become a fedora KDE developer... like Seigo | Jun 28 22:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] MontaVista and Bosch team up on in-car infotainment - http://bit.ly/c8fpy0 Linux coming to a car near you #incar #linux | Jun 28 22:44 | |
| Techrights | Title: MontaVista and Bosch team up on in-car infotainment - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 55.57 KB | Jun 28 22:44 |
| ender2070 | hmmm | Jun 28 22:44 |
| ender2070 | seems glibc is non-free | Jun 28 22:44 |
| ender2070 | irony! | Jun 28 22:44 |
| ender2070 | some of the files are sun rpc licensed | Jun 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | >my coffee mug actually holds four US cups | Jun 28 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | (5:28:06 PM) Ryan: actually, you entered into a contract by turning the damned thing on and agreeing to the setup menus | Jun 28 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | (5:28:22 PM) Ryan: including that you wouldn't use Apple software to build nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons :) | Jun 28 22:45 |
| schestowitz | I used to do that with a jug and glass | Jun 28 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | Break out the NBC suits, time to isntall iTunes | Jun 28 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | fascists :) | Jun 28 22:45 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: bout time some sanity prevails ;0-0 | Jun 28 22:46 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/cjo8o/dear_reddit_i_fixed_my_xboxs_red_rings_that_is_all/ | Jun 28 22:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody but Google just got a Mandriva dev | Jun 28 22:47 | |
| *ender2070 has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jun 28 22:48 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Apparently parts of glibc aren't free! !gnu http://2tu.us/2crf | Jun 28 22:48 | |
| Techrights | Title: Tom "spot" Callaway (spot) 's status on Monday, 28-Jun-10 21:09:26 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.67 KB | Jun 28 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Google Docs viewer on Mobile Browsers - http://bit.ly/9Z2HOV hey, you forgot to support ODF's .odt: I thought you were clever | Jun 28 22:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz oh well, that's OK then... | Jun 28 22:51 | |
| *ender2070 (~ender2070@bas22-toronto12-2925103372.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovell | Jun 28 22:52 | |
| cubezzz | the linux guys forked glibc then later returned to GNU's | Jun 28 22:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody it's here, I found it http://fasmz.org/~pterjan/blog/?date=20100624#p01 | Jun 28 22:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free/Libre Web Browsers and Blobs Debate http://ur1.ca/0eq4b http://ur1.ca/0eq4c http://ur1.ca/0eq4d http://ur1.ca/0eq4e | Jun 28 22:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla #Thunderbird 3.1 is Covered, #Firefox News http://ur1.ca/0eq4f http://ur1.ca/0eq4h http://ur1.ca/0eq4i http://ur1.ca/0ehyx | Jun 28 22:54 | |
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| ender2070 | why would GNU's accept non free code | Jun 28 22:54 |
| ender2070 | it contradicts what they stand for | Jun 28 22:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz I never doubted you...it's just I don't think they're quite commensurate... | Jun 28 22:55 | |
| cubezzz | when was this? | Jun 28 22:55 |
| ender2070 | spot from redhat alerted me to this issue | Jun 28 22:55 |
| ender2070 | he was saying its harder and harder to meet the FSF's definition of free when they keep finding non free code | Jun 28 22:55 |
| ender2070 | and glibc was his example | Jun 28 22:55 |
| ender2070 | Sun RPC licensed files | Jun 28 22:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody just had it at hand, that's all | Jun 28 22:57 | |
| cubezzz | that was from 2003 was it not? | Jun 28 22:57 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure it was corrected ages ago | Jun 28 22:57 |
| ender2070 | spot from redhat doesn't fuck around though | Jun 28 22:57 |
| cubezzz | "The code to support Sun RPC is taken verbatim from Sun's | Jun 28 22:58 |
| cubezzz | RPCSRC-4.0 distribution, and is covered by this.... etc etc" | Jun 28 22:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] What kind of data are you talking about? - http://bit.ly/9bjvBV interesting meditation on a hot topic #data | Jun 28 22:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz thanks - I hadn't seen it before | Jun 28 22:58 | |
| Techrights | Title: PHILANTHROPY 2173: What kind of data are you talking about? .::. Size~: 84.35 KB | Jun 28 22:58 |
| cubezzz | reported 2002-12-04 | Jun 28 22:58 |
| ender2070 | what license is it under | Jun 28 22:59 |
| ender2070 | it might still be an unfixed issue | Jun 28 22:59 |
| cubezzz | "Users may copy or modify Sun RPC | Jun 28 22:59 |
| cubezzz | without charge, but are not authorized to license or | Jun 28 22:59 |
| cubezzz | distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or | Jun 28 22:59 |
| cubezzz | program developed by the user." | Jun 28 22:59 |
| cubezzz | it's open to interpretation I'd say | Jun 28 23:00 |
| cubezzz | you have to use it in your own stuff I guess | Jun 28 23:01 |
| cubezzz | I bet no one on the planet knows every line of code for a modern linux | Jun 28 23:02 |
| ender2070 | http://identi.ca/notice/38606016 | Jun 28 23:02 |
| Techrights | Title: Tom "spot" Callaway (spot) 's status on Monday, 28-Jun-10 21:44:43 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.7 KB | Jun 28 23:02 |
| ender2070 | its still a problem | Jun 28 23:02 |
| cubezzz | it's just too much code | Jun 28 23:02 |
| cubezzz | PDP-11 Unix, you could do it, it's 6000 lines | Jun 28 23:02 |
| cubezzz | a very old system, possibly you could | Jun 28 23:02 |
| ender2070 | well if its non free its non free | Jun 28 23:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Science Historian Cracks the 'Plato Code' - http://bit.ly/caHiIM seems a rather big claim; be nice if it's true #plato #philosophy | Jun 28 23:03 | |
| Techrights | Title: Science historian cracks the 'Plato code' .::. Size~: 48.2 KB | Jun 28 23:03 |
| ender2070 | can't really label distros as being non free if glibc isn't even free | Jun 28 23:03 |
| ender2070 | heck, gnewsense doesn't meet it | Jun 28 23:03 |
| cubezzz | you're just speculating | Jun 28 23:03 |
| ender2070 | neither does any other linux-libre distro | Jun 28 23:03 |
| cubezzz | have you have compiled glibc? | Jun 28 23:03 |
| cubezzz | have=ever | Jun 28 23:03 |
| ender2070 | its NOT speculation | Jun 28 23:03 |
| ender2070 | yes I have actually | Jun 28 23:04 |
| ender2070 | spot works at redhat (he also works at fedora), he knows what he is talking about considering he was talking to oracle to try to free it | Jun 28 23:04 |
| cubezzz | so did it have Sun RPC stuff? | Jun 28 23:04 |
| cubezzz | you can answer your own question | Jun 28 23:04 |
| ender2070 | when I compiled it? | Jun 28 23:05 |
| ender2070 | possibly | Jun 28 23:05 |
| cubezzz | seems like a pretty simple thing to fix | Jun 28 23:05 |
| ender2070 | you said its too much code so perhaps they want Oracle to relicense it | Jun 28 23:05 |
| cubezzz | ok then download the source and grep for "Sun RPC" | Jun 28 23:06 |
| cubezzz | simple | Jun 28 23:06 |
| cubezzz | it's probably not there | Jun 28 23:06 |
| ender2070 | fedora uses upstream glibc | Jun 28 23:06 |
| ender2070 | oh look | Jun 28 23:07 |
| ender2070 | ITS MAINTAINED BY REDHAT | Jun 28 23:07 |
| cubezzz | git clone git://sourceware.org/git/glibc.git | Jun 28 23:07 |
| ender2070 | zomg! | Jun 28 23:07 |
| ender2070 | http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/ | Jun 28 23:07 |
| Techrights | Title: GNU C Library - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF) .::. Size~: 8 KB | Jun 28 23:07 |
| ender2070 | Maybe Redhat knows? | Jun 28 23:07 |
| cubezzz | how big is it? | Jun 28 23:08 |
| ender2070 | still downloading | Jun 28 23:08 |
| ender2070 | i have wimax | Jun 28 23:09 |
| cubezzz | 100 megs or so? | Jun 28 23:09 |
| cubezzz | no, less | Jun 28 23:09 |
| ender2070 | i cant believe I have to do this to prove you wrong | Jun 28 23:09 |
| cubezzz | uh, Sun could have given it's permission? | Jun 28 23:09 |
| cubezzz | it's been over 7 years | Jun 28 23:10 |
| ender2070 | THEY HAVE NOT | Jun 28 23:10 |
| ender2070 | IF THEY DID SPOT WOULDN'T BE COMPLAINING | Jun 28 23:10 |
| cubezzz | yeah, whatever | Jun 28 23:10 |
| ender2070 | do you think spot is some kid who doesnt know his shit or something? | Jun 28 23:10 |
| cubezzz | I don't even know what you're going on about | Jun 28 23:11 |
| ender2070 | did you look at that dent? | Jun 28 23:11 |
| ender2070 | http://identi.ca/notice/38606016 | Jun 28 23:11 |
| Techrights | Title: Tom "spot" Callaway (spot) 's status on Monday, 28-Jun-10 21:44:43 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.7 KB | Jun 28 23:11 |
| ender2070 | http://identi.ca/notice/38576480 | Jun 28 23:11 |
| Techrights | Title: Tom "spot" Callaway (spot) 's status on Monday, 28-Jun-10 18:02:26 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.68 KB | Jun 28 23:11 |
| ender2070 | the second one is where he says there is non free code in glibc | Jun 28 23:12 |
| ender2070 | the first one is where he says that its still a problem | Jun 28 23:12 |
| cubezzz | which version of glibc? | Jun 28 23:12 |
| ender2070 | does it matter? they use several versions for f12, f13 and rawhide | Jun 28 23:13 |
| ender2070 | if he still cant get oracle to fix it, it seems that its a current issue | Jun 28 23:13 |
| cubezzz | yeah I want to know what version | Jun 28 23:13 |
| cubezzz | I run a lot of different eras of linux | Jun 28 23:13 |
| cubezzz | the old ones might be fine | Jun 28 23:13 |
| ender2070 | oh | Jun 28 23:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Forget Pi, here comes Tau - http://bit.ly/cO4GQg this is going to confuse non-mathematicians, I fear #pi #tau #maths | Jun 28 23:14 | |
| cubezzz | like when was Sun RPC stuff introduced? | Jun 28 23:14 |
| Techrights | Title: Forget Pi, here comes Tau .::. Size~: 30.26 KB | Jun 28 23:14 |
| Techrights | like when was Sun RPC stuff introduced? | Jun 28 23:14 |
| ender2070 | my point though was that glibc is non free apparently | Jun 28 23:14 |
| cubezzz | umm :) | Jun 28 23:14 |
| cubezzz | ok the bot messed up | Jun 28 23:14 |
| ender2070 | ha | Jun 28 23:14 |
| ender2070 | except when did you say that | Jun 28 23:15 |
| ender2070 | you are the bot! | Jun 28 23:15 |
| cubezzz | I can truthfully say I've never touched Sun RPC | Jun 28 23:15 |
| cubezzz | or used it in any way | Jun 28 23:16 |
| cubezzz | there could be all sorts of crap in X | Jun 28 23:17 |
| cubezzz | for that matter | Jun 28 23:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Who needs a drummer? http://is.gd/d8a14 - obvious gag: at least the tractor stays in time. Wakka wakka wakka! | Jun 28 23:18 | |
| ender2070 | that does not matter though | Jun 28 23:18 |
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| ender2070 | its a GNU project, whats it doing with non free code at all, regardless of purpose | Jun 28 23:18 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'm using glibc-2.3.2-101.4.i686.rpm | Jun 28 23:19 |
| ender2070 | that would be like having a catholic church with satanic statues | Jun 28 23:19 |
| ender2070 | technically no current linux distro could be 'free' | Jun 28 23:19 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure Sun RPC isn't allowed, it's murky | Jun 28 23:19 |
| cubezzz | glibc forked too | Jun 28 23:20 |
| cubezzz | not sure when, there was a linux version and a GNU version at one point | Jun 28 23:20 |
| ender2070 | yeah it forked but the code didnt disappear | Jun 28 23:20 |
| ender2070 | both versions probably had the sun rpc | Jun 28 23:20 |
| cubezzz | I'm grepping :) | Jun 28 23:21 |
| ender2070 | same | Jun 28 23:21 |
| ender2070 | * The SunRPC programs `portmap' and `rpcinfo' are now installed in | Jun 28 23:21 |
| ender2070 | * The C library now includes support for Sun RPC, from Sun's free | Jun 28 23:21 |
| ender2070 | RPCSRC-4.0 distribution. The `portmap', `rpcinfo', and `rpcgen' programs | Jun 28 23:21 |
| cubezzz | yeah I see it | Jun 28 23:22 |
| cubezzz | but it is allowed or not? | Jun 28 23:22 |
| ender2070 | http://www.gnu.org/s/libc/manual/html_node/Contributors.html | Jun 28 23:22 |
| Techrights | Title: Contributors - The GNU C Library .::. Size~: 10.35 KB | Jun 28 23:22 |
| cubezzz | xcrypt.c | Jun 28 23:22 |
| cubezzz | I don't even know what Sun RPC is | Jun 28 23:23 |
| cubezzz | there's a sunrpc directory | Jun 28 23:23 |
| cubezzz | ok, it's in there for sure | Jun 28 23:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bilski v. Kappos and the Anti-State-Street-Majority - http://bit.ly/c3B3vf "the scope of patentable subject matter is certainly narrowed" | Jun 28 23:24 | |
| Techrights | Title: Bilski v. Kappos and the Anti-State-Street-Majority - Patent Law Blog (Patently-O) .::. Size~: 60 KB | Jun 28 23:24 |
| ender2070 | Sun RPC is a product of Sun Microsystems, Inc. and is provided for unrestricted use provided that this legend is included on all tape media and as a part of the software program in whole or part. Users may copy or modify Sun RPC without charge, but are not authorized to license or distribute it to anyone else except as part of a product or program developed by the user. | Jun 28 23:24 |
| ender2070 | so in essense | Jun 28 23:24 |
| ender2070 | it violates at least 1 of the 4 freedoms | Jun 28 23:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SaaS and Free Software: Relationship Shown, Debated http://ur1.ca/0eqg5 http://ur1.ca/0eqg8 http://ur1.ca/0eqg9 | Jun 28 23:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FOSS Project Releases: Lightworks, Virage, WordPress http://ur1.ca/0eqg6 http://ur1.ca/0eqg7 http://ur1.ca/0eqga | Jun 28 23:26 | |
| Techrights | Title: Lightworks Switches the Lights On - Stream #0 .::. Size~: 21.93 KB | Jun 28 23:26 |
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| cubezzz | 202 megs | Jun 28 23:26 |
| cubezzz | bigger than I expected | Jun 28 23:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Write For The NYC Beat: The Huffington Post Citizen Journalism Music Blog - http://huff.to/bZcXOV is this the future? #journalism #music | Jun 28 23:27 | |
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| ender2070 | its in LICENSES | Jun 28 23:27 |
| ender2070 | the quote i provided | Jun 28 23:27 |
| cubezzz | glibc 2.0 goes back a long time | Jun 28 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/06/28/2039246/Mozilla-Updates-Firefox-To-Appease-FarmVille-Users | Jun 28 23:29 |
| Techrights | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Mozilla Updates Firefox To Appease FarmVille Users .::. Size~: 95.7 KB | Jun 28 23:29 |
| cubezzz | there's sun rpc in slackware 4 | Jun 28 23:29 |
| cubezzz | so it's been in there a long time | Jun 28 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20status1.9.2%3A.6-fixed | Jun 28 23:30 |
| Techrights | Title: Bugzilla is pondering your search .::. Size~: 20.9 KB | Jun 28 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jun 28 23:30 |
| cubezzz | at least 11 years | Jun 28 23:30 |
| cubezzz | maybe longer | Jun 28 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox 3.6.6 AKA Farmvillfox | Jun 28 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | *Farmvillefox | Jun 28 23:31 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Network_Computing_Remote_Procedure_Call | Jun 28 23:32 |
| Techrights | Title: Open Network Computing Remote Procedure Call - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 35.4 KB | Jun 28 23:32 |
| cubezzz | it goes back to 1995 | Jun 28 23:32 |
| cubezzz | oh and... | Jun 28 23:32 |
| cubezzz | "In 2009, Sun relicensed the ONC RPC code under the standard 3-clause BSD license" | Jun 28 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | it waits 45 second now | Jun 28 23:33 |
| ender2070 | thats not SUN RPC | Jun 28 23:33 |
| ender2070 | thats ONC RPC | Jun 28 23:33 |
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| DaemonFC | which is about 40 more seconds than it takes me to whack the X button enough times to get Windows to kill it anyway | Jun 28 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | go firefox! | Jun 28 23:33 |
| cubezzz | "ONC was originally developed by Sun Microsystems as part of their Network File System project" | Jun 28 23:34 |
| cubezzz | ... | Jun 28 23:34 |
| cubezzz | and is sometimes referred to as Sun ONC or Sun RPC | Jun 28 23:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody generally speaking, #Linux is winning, but not in a way that people foesaw it circa 2007. Kill switches, DRM, Linux fork(ish) | Jun 28 23:35 | |
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| cubezzz | wow, that spot guy really knows his stuff :) | Jun 28 23:35 |
| cubezzz | hahahaha | Jun 28 23:35 |
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| ender2070 | i still think you're wrong | Jun 28 23:37 |
| ender2070 | because the code is still there under that license | Jun 28 23:37 |
| cubezzz | sure | Jun 28 23:38 |
| cubezzz | because the FSF never checks right? | Jun 28 23:38 |
| ender2070 | want my fucking grep output? | Jun 28 23:38 |
| ender2070 | again? | Jun 28 23:38 |
| cubezzz | you're an idiot | Jun 28 23:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FreeSoftware in Healthcare: More Successful Than Realised http://ur1.ca/0eqk1 http://ur1.ca/0eqk2 | Jun 28 23:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government #Transparency Encouraged: Australia and UK http://ur1.ca/0eqk3 http://ur1.ca/0eqk5 http://ur1.ca/0bi6c | Jun 28 23:40 | |
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| ender2070 | whoever maintains glibc has never bothered to update it, it seems | Jun 28 23:41 |
| schestowitz | It's still maintained | Jun 28 23:42 |
| ender2070 | because that license exists in LICENSE | Jun 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Many embedded companies rely on it | Jun 28 23:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HTML5 Spec/Standard Promoted by #Google , #Mozilla http://ur1.ca/0eql0 http://ur1.ca/0eql1 http://ur1.ca/0eql2 | Jun 28 23:42 | |
| Techrights | Title: Google Counters Apples HTML5 Showcase With HTML5Rocks (Yes, Its Really Called That) .::. Size~: 102.07 KB | Jun 28 23:42 |
| cubezzz | http://blogs.sun.com/webmink/entry/old_code_and_old_licenses | Jun 28 23:42 |
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| ender2070 | no, bothered to update the license file | Jun 28 23:42 |
| ender2070 | or the code | Jun 28 23:42 |
| ender2070 | SUN RPC | Jun 28 23:42 |
| cubezzz | says who? | Jun 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/index.php "If anyone who is a Wikipedia person has the time to clean up the Wikipedia article about me, again, I'd appreciate it. " | Jun 28 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Jun 28 23:42 |
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| ender2070 | cubezzz - READ THE FUCKING LICENSE FILE | Jun 28 23:43 |
| ender2070 | before I spam the channel with the WHOLE thing | Jun 28 23:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100627200434165 | Jun 28 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | "It includes pretty the smears Darl and MOG and SCOfolk dreamed up as if they were so, without even mentioning the SCO request by Blake Stowell to MOG to "send a jab" my way. All the insults are there, but not the truth that came out, that it was a campaign, a deliberate effort to demean me and Groklaw." | Jun 28 23:43 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: relax, man | Jun 28 23:43 |
| ender2070 | hes calling me an idiot for using upstream glibc's license file for a source | Jun 28 23:44 |
| cubezzz | "On Saturday I was able to tell Europe's Free Software developers that the licenses on the RPC code are no longer a barrier to Free software - we'll change the license to Sun's copyrights in the RPC code to a standard 3-clause BSD license" | Jun 28 23:44 |
| cubezzz | you are | Jun 28 23:44 |
| cubezzz | you don't listen | Jun 28 23:44 |
| schestowitz | "If they want info, why not take it from the reference to the interview done in 2007 where the purpose of Groklaw is explained, and how it all worked out, and in which I mention my health issue, which stemmed from the stress of death threats and SCO's campaign against me, as well as just working so hard without a single break or vacation for years. And I talked about the smear campaign also. " | Jun 28 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Jun 28 23:44 |
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| cubezzz | you're making a lot of noise for nothing | Jun 28 23:44 |
| ender2070 | whoever maintains glibc will need to fix that | Jun 28 23:45 |
| eduardo | ender2070 did you really get fired? or is that a joke? | Jun 28 23:45 |
| ender2070 | yes i did get fired eduardo | Jun 28 23:45 |
| eduardo | oh | Jun 28 23:45 |
| eduardo | what are you gonna do now? | Jun 28 23:45 |
| ender2070 | find another job | Jun 28 23:46 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jun 28 23:46 |
| eduardo | what did you do before? | Jun 28 23:46 |
| eduardo | I mean what kind of job | Jun 28 23:46 |
| ender2070 | computer repair | Jun 28 23:46 |
| eduardo | oh | Jun 28 23:46 |
| ender2070 | troubleshooting, building, selling | Jun 28 23:46 |
| eduardo | sounds like no big loss then, no? new opportunities await | Jun 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | "PJ, my Bio is defaced too, it is all too common..." http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20100627200434165&title=PJ%2C+my+Bio+is+defaced+too%2C+it+is+all+too+common...&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=858552#c858675 | Jun 28 23:47 |
| cubezzz | ok, one last thing... | Jun 28 23:47 |
| cubezzz | "....allowing inheritance of that licensing by both Debian and Fedora. I'm delighted to have been able to fix this problem, which arose not because of failure but because of the success of software freedom over many years and becuase of Sun's early commitment to it." | Jun 28 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/netgear-modemrouter-giving-your-browser-page-not-found-errors-blame-windows-7-then-hit-it-with-a-hidden-hotfix/ | Jun 28 23:47 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft hid the hotfix | Jun 28 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jun 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | PJ is still concerned about what people say about her | Jun 28 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | it won't show up on Google | Jun 28 23:47 |
| schestowitz | thanks, DaemonFC | Jun 28 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Jun 28 23:48 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - can you show me where to download the relicensed code? | Jun 28 23:49 |
| eduardo | ender2070 just think, maybe now you can get a job at canonical and put an end to mono ;-) | Jun 28 23:49 |
| ender2070 | "On Saturday I was able to tell Europe's Free Software developers that the licenses on the RPC code are no longer a barrier to Free software - we'll change the license to Sun's copyrights in the RPC code to a standard 3-clause BSD license, allowing inheritance of that licensing by both Debian and Fedora. I'm delighted to have been able to fix this problem, which arose not because of failure but because of the success of | Jun 28 23:49 |
| ender2070 | software freedom over many years and becuase of Sun's early commitment to it." | Jun 28 23:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/27/AR2010062703220.html?hpid=topnews | Jun 28 23:49 |
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| schestowitz | She made it to the bench a day after her husband died | Jun 28 23:49 |
| ender2070 | "we'll change the license to Sun's" | Jun 28 23:49 |
| cubezzz | "The way the code was originally licensed was exceptionally liberal. Written in 1984 or earlier (before the GPL existed)" | Jun 28 23:50 |
| cubezzz | it predated GPL even | Jun 28 23:50 |
| ender2070 | "we'll change the license" | Jun 28 23:50 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, seriously if you're that worried ask the FSF directly | Jun 28 23:50 |
| ender2070 | where is it? | Jun 28 23:50 |
| cubezzz | I'm not the right person | Jun 28 23:50 |
| ender2070 | where can I download the relicensed code | Jun 28 23:50 |
| ender2070 | a blog post saying "they will" doesn't mean "they did" | Jun 28 23:50 |
| ender2070 | it might not even be done yet | Jun 28 23:51 |
| ender2070 | wikipedia's only reference was that blog | Jun 28 23:51 |
| cubezzz | it's clear the original license was very liberal | Jun 28 23:52 |
| ender2070 | and? | Jun 28 23:52 |
| ender2070 | you're not very legal minded | Jun 28 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I posted my finding on the Netgear forum | Jun 28 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | "The error came back, just less often. I've determined that the malfunction is due to a defect in Windows 7 that Microsoft has gone to great lengths to cover up. | Jun 28 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/983528 | Jun 28 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | They manipulated this KB article so it doesn't show up on most search engines. | Jun 28 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | This TCP Receive Window auto-tuning bug messes up the DGN1000 gateway." | Jun 28 23:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Please forgive typos in my blog comments since I am typing on my mobile. | Jun 28 23:53 | |
| Techrights | Title: The TCP receive window autotuning feature does not work correctly in Windows Server 2008 R2 or in Windows 7 .::. Size~: 53.03 KB | Jun 28 23:53 |
| cubezzz | ok, I have an idea | Jun 28 23:53 |
| cubezzz | why don't you directly ask Simon Phipps? | Jun 28 23:53 |
| ender2070 | sure | Jun 28 23:54 |
| ender2070 | but i dont recall ever asking you - you were telling me I was wrong | Jun 28 23:55 |
| eduardo | why are you so argumentative? | Jun 28 23:56 |
| cubezzz | yeah really | Jun 28 23:56 |
| eduardo | aren't we all friends here? | Jun 28 23:56 |
| cubezzz | and vulgar as well | Jun 28 23:56 |
| eduardo | you make mono guards look mild | Jun 28 23:56 |
| cubezzz | well anyways :) | Jun 28 23:57 |
| ender2070 | sorry but i'm an asshole when someone calls me an idiot | Jun 28 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kb983528 | Jun 28 23:58 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Jun 28 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | result 3 | Jun 28 23:58 |
| ender2070 | especially when they're telling me something which hasn't happened yet | Jun 28 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | damn, Google is fast | Jun 28 23:58 |
| cubezzz | at least they're dealing with it | Jun 28 23:58 |
| ender2070 | Simon Phipps doesn't even work at Sun or Oracle anymore | Jun 28 23:59 |
| ender2070 | they need to release a new version of rpcsrc-4.0 with the new license | Jun 28 23:59 |
| ender2070 | or it didnt happen | Jun 28 23:59 |
| ender2070 | end of story | Jun 28 23:59 |
| eduardo | as soon as the license change hits their version control | Jun 28 23:59 |
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