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MinceRgnJul 07 00:02
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/gR9uN/Jul 07 00:04
TechrightsTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Hitler Reacts to the iPhone 4 Antenna Issues .::. Size~: 5.08 KBJul 07 00:04
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/DAhFD/Jul 07 00:18
TechrightsTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: FIFA World Cup 2006 Fight Between Germany and Argentina .::. Size~: 5.08 KBJul 07 00:18
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/Kh4Qc/Jul 07 00:40
TechrightsTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Dog vs. Vuvuzela - Dog Wins .::. Size~: 5.02 KBJul 07 00:40
cubezzzgot xrubik compiled and working on the 486 box :)Jul 07 00:41
Diablo-D3SOMEONE SAID VUVUZELAJul 07 00:52
Diablo-D3I KNOW THEY DIDJul 07 00:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Recently I went on Oracle TechCast with Oracle's VP of Corporate Architecture to talk about #mysql and community - http://is.gd/dbZo5Jul 07 01:22
TechrightsTitle: Oracle Media Network .::. Size~: 51.69 KBJul 07 01:22
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_DoctrineJul 07 01:32
TechrightsTitle: Castle doctrine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 88.47 KBJul 07 01:32
DaemonFCB-)Jul 07 01:32
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DaemonFChttp://redensign.wordpress.com/2010/05/27/castle-law-stand-your-ground-2/Jul 07 01:36
TechrightsTitle: Castle Doctrine & Stand Your Ground « Red Ensign .::. Size~: 29.23 KBJul 07 01:36
DaemonFCIn Indiana, there is no duty to retreat from an attacker before use of force in self-defense is deemed reasonableJul 07 01:37
DaemonFC:DJul 07 01:37
DaemonFCThe attacker can consider himself warned that committing an illegal act against you could get him killedJul 07 01:38
DaemonFCWe call this, common senseJul 07 01:38
DaemonFCB-)Jul 07 01:38
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DaemonFC"Unfortunately in Canada we don’t have that luxury. To the best of my knowledge, no Canadian province has either Castle Doctrine or Stand Your Ground. Furthermore, Canadians have no property rights. Add to that the notion that self-defence in this nation is excessively vague. Under Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the Canadian constitution, Canadians have the right “life, liberty and security of the person.” Self-defence is noJul 07 01:39
DaemonFCt explicitly stated as a right.Jul 07 01:39
DaemonFCThis has resulted in numerous cases of law-abiding citizens defending themselves or their properties and facing criminal charges as a result."Jul 07 01:39
DaemonFCremind me not to go to CanadaJul 07 01:39
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DaemonFC"David Chen, who was arrested and had 4 criminal charges laid against him for apprehending a career shoplifter. The police even made a plea bargain deal with the shoplifter so they could use him as a witness against Mr. Chen."Jul 07 01:40
DaemonFClmaoJul 07 01:40
DaemonFCIn Canada, the police have the attacker testify at the victim's trialJul 07 01:41
cubezzzyeah I heard about thatJul 07 01:41
cubezzzpretty twistedJul 07 01:41
DaemonFCthat's backwardsJul 07 01:41
DaemonFCcubezzz, You have no right to defend yourself even when being murdered is the only outcome and there is no chance at all of escape?Jul 07 01:43
DaemonFCThat's pretty messed upJul 07 01:43
DaemonFCyou should flee to the United States and claim asylum from malicious prosecutionJul 07 01:44
DaemonFClolJul 07 01:44
cubezzzI've never been attackedJul 07 01:44
DaemonFCwell if you are, kill the bastard then run for the US border Jul 07 01:44
DaemonFC:PJul 07 01:44
DaemonFCAt least there's a sane judge every once in a while in CanadaJul 07 01:46
DaemonFCyou could cross your fingers and hope they're merciful towards your will to liveJul 07 01:46
DaemonFC:DJul 07 01:46
DaemonFChttp://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2008/06/13/qc-parasiris0613.htmlJul 07 01:47
DaemonFClolJul 07 01:47
TechrightsTitle: CBC News - Montreal - Quebec man acquitted in police officer slaying .::. Size~: 32.68 KBJul 07 01:47
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DaemonFChttp://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title35/ar41/ch3.htmlJul 07 01:56
DaemonFCIC 35-41-3-2 ftwJul 07 01:56
DaemonFC"For purposes of this subsection, an aircraft is considered to be in flight while the aircraft is:Jul 07 01:58
DaemonFC        (1) on the ground in Indiana:"Jul 07 01:58
DaemonFChmmmmmJul 07 01:58
DaemonFCinterestingJul 07 01:59
DaemonFChmmm, says I would also have the right to use reasonable force to effect a citizen's arrest due to a felonyJul 07 02:00
DaemonFCand I'm immune from a later civil lawsuit for that as wellJul 07 02:00
DaemonFCNobody hijacks an in-flight plane that's on the ground in Indiana on my watch!Jul 07 02:03
DaemonFCTake this, and that, and one of those!!!!Jul 07 02:03
DaemonFC:DJul 07 02:03
DaemonFCcubezzz, We really don't screw aroundJul 07 02:06
DaemonFC:DJul 07 02:06
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DaemonFCwhoa, niceJul 07 02:34
*DaemonFC just crashed Chromium, the entire browser :)Jul 07 02:34
DaemonFChttp://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-10-10-maverick-meerkat-alpha-2-released.htmlJul 07 02:39
TechrightsTitle: Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat Alpha 2 Released .::. Size~: 47.88 KBJul 07 02:39
DaemonFCBtrFS is now an optionJul 07 02:39
DaemonFCthe performance with compression enabled looks totally wicked under most workloadsJul 07 02:39
DaemonFCthough I've not attempted to use BtrFS in a whileJul 07 02:40
DaemonFChttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardeningJul 07 02:43
TechrightsTitle: SecurityTeam/Roadmap/KernelHardening - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 24.2 KBJul 07 02:43
DaemonFC"As Linux grows in popularity, it will become a growing target for malware."Jul 07 02:44
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gBqNO6Pkz2nduqexciT09DcZkfzgD9GMJN980Jul 07 03:18
TechrightsTitle: The Associated Press: Schwarzenegger orders min wage for state workers .::. Size~: 8.92 KBJul 07 03:18
DaemonFC"Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Thursday ordered about 200,000 state workers to be paid the federal minimum wage this month because the state Legislature has not passed a budget."Jul 07 03:18
DaemonFClmaoJul 07 03:18
DaemonFChave fun on $7.25 an hour.....Jul 07 03:18
DaemonFC:DJul 07 03:18
DaemonFClook at it this way, it's not like that qualifies them for food stamps and subsidized rent....oh wait...Jul 07 03:18
DaemonFC:DJul 07 03:18
DaemonFCwell, they're state workersJul 07 03:20
DaemonFCthey can expedite their own claims I'm sureJul 07 03:20
DaemonFCthey won't have to wait 90 days to eatJul 07 03:20
DaemonFC"Workers will be paid in full retroactively once a budget is passed."Jul 07 03:21
DaemonFCwhich means they get paid in full and qualify for food stamps nowJul 07 03:21
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hLKyB9H7lUpiALFVlU7RRJa9-EfwD9GMIFK81Jul 07 03:22
TechrightsTitle: The Associated Press: 1.3 million unemployed won't get benefits restored .::. Size~: 10.6 KBJul 07 03:22
DaemonFCCelebrate Independence Day with your independence from jobless benefitsJul 07 03:23
DaemonFCnow run along you little scamps!Jul 07 03:23
DaemonFC:DJul 07 03:23
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2dShCL4rSkJul 07 03:27
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- Sears Optical - Raccoon .::. Size~: 86.35 KBJul 07 03:27
DaemonFCniceJul 07 03:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @9600: Hoping that IBM's shift to using Firefox will set a precedent for other global organisations.Jul 07 03:31
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[openuniverse/@openuniverse] today i watched mr. wizard demonstrate the strange properties of a site called !techrights, which myste http://280.status.net/notice/197643Jul 07 04:00
TechrightsTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Friday, 02-Jul-10 02:55:35 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.89 KBJul 07 04:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Everytime an ad for the Linux-powered Droid appears on TV, a chair is thrown somewhere in Redmond :-)Jul 07 05:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] I have been seeing lotso TV ads for the Linux-powered Droid X. That = lotso thrown chairs in Redmond :-DJul 07 05:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "There is no law against daydreaming, but science must not indulge in it." ~Pierre-Paul GrasséJul 07 07:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] http://is.gd/dciuQ #openstandards in germany?Jul 07 07:15
TechrightsTitle: heise online - Bundes-CIO fordert offene IT-Standards .::. Size~: 8.27 KBJul 07 07:15
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/197643 "today i watched mr. wizard demonstrate the strange properties of a site called !techrights, which mysteriously gathers all the people i want to know on one end, and the idiots i wish i'd never spoken to at the other- truly amazing"Jul 07 07:42
TechrightsTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Friday, 02-Jul-10 02:55:35 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.89 KBJul 07 07:42
schestowitzWho would the latter b?Jul 07 07:42
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/38915912#notice-39187870 " Not because of what you wrote, but because of a fellow who works for this company... Sad."Jul 07 07:43
TechrightsTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 22.34 KBJul 07 07:43
DaemonFChttp://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20009358-12.html?tag=contentMain;contentBodyJul 07 07:45
TechrightsTitle: AVG joins Opera on stage | The Download Blog - Download.com .::. Size~: 94.03 KBJul 07 07:45
DaemonFCoh my godJul 07 07:45
DaemonFCpleaseJul 07 07:45
DaemonFCnoJul 07 07:45
DaemonFCuggghJul 07 07:45
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] World's Largest Oil Skimmer Arrives in Gulf of Mexico http://ur1.ca/0iannJul 07 07:45
TechrightsTitle: BP Oil Spill: Super Skimmer A Whale Promises to Help Cleanup Efforts - ABC News .::. Size~: 67.84 KBJul 07 07:45
schestowitzI've just gotten a very long E-mail from a Microsoft VPJul 07 07:49
schestowitzOne who worked with GatesJul 07 07:49
DaemonFCschestowitz, Have fun with the libel lawsuitJul 07 07:49
DaemonFCsomeone found out you're in the UKJul 07 07:50
schestowitzHehe, no :-)Jul 07 07:50
DaemonFC:PJul 07 07:50
schestowitzIt's actually a polite mailJul 07 07:50
DaemonFCIt's a trapJul 07 07:50
schestowitzFrom someone who left MicrodoftJul 07 07:50
schestowitzCause Gates didn\t fund him after 28 years in the companyJul 07 07:50
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schestowitz"Would you mind if I added your clarification to the post? I really did think there was a correlation between the slowdown in funding and continued inability to make impact in robotics -- all of which partly contributed to your departure."Jul 07 07:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Pre-Alpha of #MeeGo ( #GNU #Linux ) on #Tablets http://techrights.org/2010/07/02/pre-alpha-of-meego/Jul 07 08:03
TechrightsTitle: Pre-Alpha of MeeGo (GNU/Linux) on Tablets | Techrights .::. Size~: 73.35 KBJul 07 08:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @udovetter Jürgen Rüttgers will auf Jahre Sekretärin und Dienstwagen für lau behalten. Er scheint sich für schwer vermittelbar zu halten.Jul 07 08:05
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/LFPiA/Jul 07 08:15
TechrightsTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: The Prodigy - Omen .::. Size~: 5 KBJul 07 08:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] "Evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." ~Prof. BounoureJul 07 08:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Woman Jailed 2 Days for Filming Movie Screen Sues Theater - http://bit.ly/93ooiX the problem with incentives #mpaaJul 07 08:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Firefox Reaches 2 Billion Add-Ons Downloaded - http://bit.ly/bYDiYo nice number #firefox #addonsJul 07 08:21
TechrightsTitle: Woman Jailed 2 Days for Filming Movie Screen Sues Theater | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 75.17 KBJul 07 08:21
TechrightsTitle: Firefox Reaches 2 Billion Add-Ons Downloaded .::. Size~: 79.74 KBJul 07 08:21
MinceR(flash) (video) (audio) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2ST-QHGIhEJul 07 08:23
TechrightsTitle: YouTube- The Art of Analog Computing by meltmedia .::. Size~: 89.5 KBJul 07 08:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Group chat via phpWebsocket http://post.ly/lWzJ (from Freedom Lab) #websocket #groupchat (1 to multiple client chat) #web #js #html5Jul 07 08:26
TechrightsTitle: Group chat via phpWebsocket - vgsr's posterous .::. Size~: 34.28 KBJul 07 08:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apple Sued (Class Action) for Producing a Defective #hypePhone 4 http://ur1.ca/0ibtt #toyota #android #kinJul 07 08:39
TechrightsTitle: Apple Sued (Class Action) for Producing a Defective hypePhone 4 | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.51 KBJul 07 08:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Woman Jailed 2 Days for Filming Movie Screen Sues Theater - http://bit.ly/93ooiX > what? No waterboarding?Jul 07 08:42
TechrightsTitle: Woman Jailed 2 Days for Filming Movie Screen Sues Theater | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 75.77 KBJul 07 08:42
schestowitzOhJul 07 08:42
schestowitzWTF?Jul 07 08:42
schestowitzhttp://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/06/30/2027226/IEEE-Supports-Software-Patents-In-Wake-of-BilskiJul 07 08:42
TechrightsTitle: Slashdot Politics Story | IEEE Supports Software Patents In Wake of Bilski .::. Size~: 146.24 KBJul 07 08:42
schestowitzI didn't even realise that we made SLashdot's front page 2 days agJul 07 08:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Oh. I didn't even realise that we made Slashdot's front page 2 days ago. I guess that explains the server load.. thought were were attacked.Jul 07 08:44
schestowitzhttp://en.swpat.org/wiki/IEEE-USAJul 07 08:52
TechrightsTitle: IEEE-USA - software patents wiki (en.swpat.org) .::. Size~: 38.32 KBJul 07 08:52
schestowitzhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/01/208222/Zoho-Dont-Need-No-Stinking-PhD-ProgrammersJul 07 08:53
TechrightsTitle: Slashdot News Story | Zoho Don't Need No Stinking Ph.D. Programmers .::. Size~: 175.54 KBJul 07 08:53
schestowitz"Donald Knuth's TeX successor will be named iTeX. #TUG2010 #PARODY Ring a bell when you say the name." http://twitter.com/christopheradam/status/17453998408Jul 07 08:54
TechrightsTitle: Twitter / Christopher Adams: Donald Knuth's TeX success ... .::. Size~: 11.5 KBJul 07 08:54
schestowitzSlashdot looks stupid nowJul 07 08:57
schestowitzThey say there would be a major announcement on WednesdayJul 07 08:57
schestowitzThen waste another slot saying it was just a parodyJul 07 08:57
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/Linspire-Inc-CSXXXRESXOOOFF-Five-0-Edition/dp/B0007XYRUY/ref=sr_1_23?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1278057789&sr=1-23Jul 07 09:07
TechrightsTitle: Amazon.com: Linspire Five.0 CNR Edition: Software .::. Size~: 340.04 KBJul 07 09:07
*DaemonFC buys one for schestowitz Jul 07 09:07
schestowitzIt still existsJul 07 09:07
schestowitz?Jul 07 09:07
schestowitzI think Xandros is dead tooJul 07 09:07
DaemonFCAmazon has the damndest things in stockJul 07 09:08
schestowitz"Work with Nvu, a full Web authoring solution"Jul 07 09:08
DaemonFCLinspire has been dead and cold for a whileJul 07 09:08
schestowitzNvu is long dead as a projectJul 07 09:08
schestowitzDaemonFC: 2 years since it got boughtJul 07 09:08
schestowitzI remember cause it was right before Independence Day 2008Jul 07 09:09
schestowitzWhen I started working from my apartmentJul 07 09:09
DaemonFCschestowitz, What I don't get thoughJul 07 09:09
schestowitz:-DJul 07 09:09
DaemonFCspeaking of WYSIWYG editorsJul 07 09:09
schestowitzPrior to this I was at the office all dayJul 07 09:09
DaemonFCis why Apple iWeb invokes IE 7 mode in IE 8Jul 07 09:09
DaemonFCthere's nothing in the pages it spits out that IE 8 can't render as IE 8Jul 07 09:10
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/06/ascap-assails-free-culture-digital-rights-groups/Jul 07 09:10
TechrightsTitle: ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 92.36 KBJul 07 09:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Stop the Math Press's Presses — Knuth Announces iTex - http://bit.ly/cHWu9r not quite what I was expecting #tex #knuthJul 07 09:11
TechrightsTitle: Slashdot Science Story | Stop the Math Press's Presses — Knuth Announces iTex .::. Size~: 148.83 KBJul 07 09:11
*schestowitz adds Linspire Five.0 CNR Edition to his "wishlist"Jul 07 09:11
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoffeeCup_HTML_EditorJul 07 09:12
TechrightsTitle: CoffeeCup HTML Editor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 23.57 KBJul 07 09:12
DaemonFCapparently they still existJul 07 09:12
DaemonFCI remember using that around 1998Jul 07 09:12
DaemonFCgot a freeware edition  copy in a magazineJul 07 09:12
DaemonFCB-)Jul 07 09:13
DaemonFChttp://www.coffeecup.com/html-editor/Jul 07 09:13
TechrightsTitle: The HTML Editor - Your best Web design friend | CoffeeCup Software .::. Size~: 25.37 KBJul 07 09:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] TV Show Released On BitTorrent Raises $20,000 Pretty Damn Fast - http://bit.ly/bc9QLn "the scarcities are the creation of more episodes"Jul 07 09:14
TechrightsTitle: TV Show Released On BitTorrent Raises $20,000 Pretty Damn Fast | Techdirt .::. Size~: 72.95 KBJul 07 09:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @xxtjaxx is happy about his #FSF Mail thanks! http://ur1.ca/0hq76Jul 07 09:16
TechrightsTitle: http://file.status.net/identica/xxtjaxx-20100701T130309-8nnc3xe.jpeg - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.54 KBJul 07 09:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #fsf has a nice new homepage http://fsf.orgJul 07 09:17
TechrightsTitle: Welcome — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 23.03 KBJul 07 09:17
schestowitzhttp://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/06/best-accessory-for-iphone-4-reception.htmlJul 07 09:17
TechrightsTitle: The best accessory for iPhone 4 reception problem | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 66.31 KBJul 07 09:17
DaemonFCuggghJul 07 09:18
DaemonFCExpressionWeb SuperPreview!Jul 07 09:18
DaemonFCsupports Windows and Macintosh browsers!Jul 07 09:18
DaemonFC(IE, Firefox, and Safari)Jul 07 09:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] “Twilight” 8-Bit Viral Hit Comes Back to Life After DMCA Takedown - http://bit.ly/a8tJEw "game was not detrimental to Twilight franchise"Jul 07 09:20
TechrightsTitle: "Twilight" 8-Bit Viral Hit Comes Back to Life After DMCA Takedown .::. Size~: 78.12 KBJul 07 09:20
DaemonFCIsn't it easier to hand out a sign that says "BEAT IT!" than to bother supporting IE 6?Jul 07 09:20
DaemonFC*hang outJul 07 09:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Firefox Main Window Study: A Heatmap Visualization - http://bit.ly/c0LoRL really cool user interface research #firefox4 #uxJul 07 09:21
TechrightsTitle: Firefox Main Window Study: A Heatmap Visualization «  Blog of Metrics .::. Size~: 35.89 KBJul 07 09:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Makes Its Travel Search Move: Buys ITA Software For $700 Million - http://bit.ly/aW2KwN in order to build new “flight search tools”Jul 07 09:23
TechrightsTitle: Google Makes Its Travel Search Move: Buys ITA Software For $700 Million| paidContent .::. Size~: 32.02 KBJul 07 09:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Lying in a hospital bed, waiting for the minor back procedure I was supposed to have an hour ago to start. Anxiety building.Jul 07 09:31
DaemonFCschestowitz, Mandriva Mystery Investors are MysteriousJul 07 09:32
DaemonFC:PJul 07 09:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Should We Increase Use of Multimedia Objects in Techrights? http://ur1.ca/0id3r #Techrights #poll #playoggJul 07 09:34
TechrightsTitle: Should We Increase Use of Multimedia Objects in Techrights? | Techrights .::. Size~: 75.94 KBJul 07 09:34
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Should We Increase Use of Multimedia Objects in Techrights? http://ur1.ca/0id3r !Techrights #poll #playoggJul 07 09:35
TechrightsTitle: Should We Increase Use of Multimedia Objects in Techrights? | Techrights .::. Size~: 75.94 KBJul 07 09:35
schestowitzHuh? http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/06/adobe-flash-best-platform-so-far.htmlJul 07 09:36
TechrightsTitle: Adobe Flash- The best platform so far | GHABUNTU .::. Size~: 71.24 KBJul 07 09:36
DaemonFCehhhhJul 07 09:37
DaemonFChmmmm, Jabba is biting meJul 07 09:37
*DaemonFC goes to check what's wrongJul 07 09:37
DaemonFCand good time to take a nap :PJul 07 09:38
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schestowitzGoogle gets too much power with air travel...Jul 07 09:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @doctorow good luck with thatJul 07 09:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Another Journalist Seduced By App Madness Predicts The End Of The Web - http://bit.ly/doAwqE debunking the "original sin of free" memeJul 07 09:42
TechrightsTitle: Another Journalist Seduced By App Madness Predicts The End Of The Web | Techdirt .::. Size~: 82.23 KBJul 07 09:42
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schestowitzhttp://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/07/interoperability-significant-market.htmlJul 07 09:43
TechrightsTitle: FOSS Patents: {Interoperability} Significant market players to face EU interoperability rules .::. Size~: 49.17 KBJul 07 09:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In 3 new posts, Florian promotes regulation... against Microsoft's competitors. I find that a tad suspicious. #interop is _NOT_ standardsJul 07 09:44
MinceRgeekingsJul 07 09:55
schestowitz"Maybe #MeeGo won't be that bad after all (despite using #rpm not #deb ) ♻ @schestowitz: Pre-Alpha of #MeeGo on #Tablets  http://ur1.ca/0icej " http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=cyberkiller&inreplyto=39245123Jul 07 10:02
TechrightsTitle: Pre-Alpha of MeeGo (GNU/Linux) on Tablets | Techrights .::. Size~: 73.35 KBJul 07 10:03
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schestowitzMeeGo looks goodJul 07 10:03
schestowitzNokia will put it on millions of phones, maybe tablets tooJul 07 10:03
schestowitzI'm gonna start posting more videos. Seems like the poll shows consent and solicits support: http://280.status.net/notice/198460 "@schestowitz only if they're theora or webm- in which case yes, 1 every day, if possible- promoting theora and webm (might want to wait for ff4 for webm)"Jul 07 10:06
TechrightsTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Friday, 02-Jul-10 08:32:23 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.92 KBJul 07 10:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bolzano, please don't waste your money - http://bit.ly/bU7ZJs FSFE's open letter #bolzano #italyJul 07 10:14
TechrightsTitle: FSFE: Bolzano, please don't waste your money .::. Size~: 6.8 KBJul 07 10:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Adds Real-Time Stats To Blogger – Why Not To Google Analytics? - http://tcrn.ch/c8fTiS handy #google #blogger #analyticsJul 07 10:23
TechrightsTitle:   Google Adds Real-Time Stats To Blogger  To Google Analytics Next?  .::. Size~: 41.76 KBJul 07 10:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Tube Data Suspended Due To 'Overwhelming Demand' - http://bit.ly/dsOrbO people are hungry for real-time data #tube #opendataJul 07 10:24
TechrightsTitle: Tube Data Suspended Due To 'Overwhelming Demand' - Londonist .::. Size~: 33.28 KBJul 07 10:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Pirate Party to Run Pirate Bay from Swedish Parliament - http://bit.ly/9Z07hU cunning #piratebay #swedenJul 07 10:25
TechrightsTitle:    Pirate Party to Run Pirate Bay from Swedish Parliament | TorrentFreak   .::. Size~: 35.55 KBJul 07 10:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Even sedated telly is utter shit. No wonder it's failing. Can't we use this spectrum for something better?Jul 07 10:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What a Headache! [IMG] http://mandrivachronicles.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-headache.htmlJul 07 10:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Surgery went fine. Recovering with crappy TV. Looking forward to eating!Jul 07 10:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Bam bam bam bam bam bam bam Nam bam bam I wanna be sedatedJul 07 10:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Srsly. Who greenlit this toss? 20 channels and the best thing on is fucking Everybody Loves Raymond? This is worse than surgeryJul 07 10:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] As Christ said after rising from the dead, 'Man, I'm hungry enough to eat the ass out of a diseased bear' #nilbymouthJul 07 10:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Gosh darn electricity! How does it work? http://is.gd/dcuFD this is the "science" that christian "universities" actually teach.Jul 07 10:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Time for some Digital Economy Act Economy - http://bit.ly/d3U3r9 if we want to repeal #DEAct, we need to work together #freedomJul 07 11:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] SCOTUS said State Street approach too permissive but MoT as sole test far too restrictive without legislation. #Swpat thus very safe.Jul 07 11:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google has just changed its News redirect to require JavaScript (for more spying)Jul 07 11:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The open spending data that isn’t… this is not good - http://bit.ly/9swwin time to kick up a *big* fuss, people... #ogov #ukJul 07 11:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Reclusive mathematician turns down $1 million prize - http://bit.ly/bHL1Go walks like RMS, quacks like RMS...what a fine chap #mathsJul 02 11:29
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schestowitzGoogle is acting upJul 02 11:55
schestowitzAnd YouTube UK didn't serve many videos yesterdayJul 02 11:55
schestowitz"error'Jul 02 11:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Back at the office. Loving the painkillers. Numbest butt of my life.Jul 02 12:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @techdirt: Dutch Court Questioning Why Police Outsourced File Sharing Evidence Collection To Industry Group http://dlvr.it/2DrT5Jul 02 12:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] An (Analogue) Artist's Reply to Just Criticism - http://bit.ly/dDoPQF why abundance changes the equation #copyright #rightsJul 02 13:03
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2JmSK3H8tIJul 02 13:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Straight Dope on Police at the G20 Summit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2JmSK3H8tI chilling.Jul 02 13:07
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schestowitz*LOL* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU3lwyDdHd0Jul 02 13:22
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schestowitzFlorida too has oil in the beach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QwsCHd7LcgJul 02 13:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Wikimedia blog: Link pile. http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2010/07/02/link-pile-3/Jul 02 13:41
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schestowitzOh crapJul 02 13:54
schestowitzPS - I botched system time while recalibrating yesterday, so messages I sent earlier appear as coming on the 7th.Jul 02 13:54
schestowitzThe IRC logs show 6th and 7th of JulyJul 02 13:54
schestowitzFlorian finds another non-Microsoft company to blameJul 02 13:56
schestowitzHe has just mailed me this:Jul 02 13:56
schestowitz"Jul 02 13:56
schestowitzThis hasn't received much attention because Stallman said it at an event in Málaga, Spain, two weeks ago. He clearly said Apple is "more malicious and much more restrictive" than Microsoft, according to the report below. I hope he's going to get away with it and not get criticized by you :-)Jul 02 13:56
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schestowitzhttp://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2010/06/22/andalucia_malaga/1277232759.htmlJul 02 13:56
schestowitz Jul 02 13:56
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schestowitzStallman, que ofreció ayer una charla en La Casa Invisible de Málaga [...]Jul 02 13:56
schestowitz Jul 02 13:56
schestowitz«Apple es más malévola y mucho más restrictiva que Microsoft, ya que limita incluso el derecho de ejecutar aplicaciones», sostiene el fundador de GNU. «Apple crea esposas digitales, hace creer a la gente que es 'cool' por tener sus productos y realiza juegos de marketing para que no parezca malo lo que hace», añade.Jul 02 13:56
schestowitz"Jul 02 13:56
MinceRwe're lucky we only need to be wary of the most malicious company...oh, waitJul 02 14:01
cubezzzI don't think Apple is as big a problemJul 02 14:05
cubezzzit's bad though, the two main choices at the stores and its all closed sourceJul 02 14:06
MinceRonly as long as they keep failingJul 02 14:06
MinceRif they were to successfully step into the place of m$ (though i doubt they can pull it off), they'd be a major threat to freedomJul 02 14:06
schestowitzcubezzz: agreedJul 02 14:06
MinceRthey're a threat to freedom neverthelessJul 02 14:06
schestowitzWe need to change rulesJul 02 14:07
schestowitzAnd normsJul 02 14:07
schestowitzEnd software patents, reuse workJul 02 14:07
schestowitzIf we already have apache and lighttpd and stuff, we don't need to go back to having 20 proprietary Web servers or whatever made from scratch independentlyJul 02 14:07
schestowitzIt's bad for scientific progressJul 02 14:07
schestowitzCompanies can pile on their own extensions to Free software, which they can fork if they wishJul 02 14:08
cubezzzit's OK to reinvent the wheel I thinkJul 02 14:08
schestowitzit's encouragedJul 02 14:09
schestowitzBut it's not the same as proprietary mindsetJul 02 14:10
schestowitzLook at upstart, pulseaudio, gnome...Jul 02 14:10
cubezzzspeculation: I think what might happen is two parallel tracks...Jul 02 14:10
cubezzzthe FOSS track and the proprietary trackJul 02 14:11
schestowitzor moreJul 02 14:11
schestowitzNo, the proprietary track is not working with othersJul 02 14:11
schestowitzFireWire, iTooonsJul 02 14:11
cubezzzyes, so parallel :)Jul 02 14:11
cubezzznot interacting Jul 02 14:11
cubezzzreally how can proprietary work with FOSS?Jul 02 14:12
cubezzzit can only try to absorb it into itselfJul 02 14:12
cubezzzthe hardware manufacturers have the real power Jul 02 14:13
cubezzzin effect, the FOSS/Proprietary choice may be taken awayJul 02 14:14
cubezzzthen you're back in reverse-engineering landJul 02 14:14
cubezzzyou could have FOSS for PDP-11Jul 02 14:15
cubezzzthen then last PDP-11 diesJul 02 14:15
cubezzzyou're stuck againJul 02 14:15
cubezzztell me what the chip does / NO, we signed an NDAJul 02 14:16
cubezzzI saw it happen right in front of my eyesJul 02 14:17
cubezzzyou could try to build your own hardware...Jul 02 14:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Really like the Free! Music! Contest. Promoting Creative Commons contest this way is a very good idea! http://is.gd/dczTz #fmc10 #ccmusicJul 02 14:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] From 1982, it really was Ratzinger's job to deal with child-raping priests. And he just didn't. http://is.gd/dcGuQ Smoking gun.Jul 02 14:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @BoingBoing: Canadian copyright astroturfers own up: front for US labels http://bit.ly/b1LScRJul 02 14:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Raincoats "Moving" (1982) is well-played, well-produced and very dull. Single "Animal Rhapsody" is the barest sign of life.Jul 02 14:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mind_booster: "Pirate Party: We will host The Pirate Bay inside the Swedish parliament | Piratpartiet" http://ff.im/n4E90Jul 02 14:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The July issue of the free (gratis) BSD magazine is available for download [PDF]. This month: OpenBSD http://tinyurl.com/32z2cjkJul 02 15:00
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schestowitz[14:12] <cubezzz> it can only try to absorb it into itselfJul 02 15:00
schestowitzExactrlyJul 02 15:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Wondering how this will affect some braindead WUI they have... ♺ @slashdot: IBM Makes Firefox Its Corporate Browser http://bit.ly/amQJQRJul 02 15:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] DailyTech story on #EU #interoperability initiative - timing and content suggest inspiration by slashdot http://bit.ly/9zsZC2Jul 02 15:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Most recent gag list entry in #elmdentica is #bra([sz]il)? (yes, PCRE is supported!)Jul 02 15:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Freedom Defenders Look at the Glass Half Full in the #Bilski Aftermath http://ur1.ca/0ipld #patent #swpatsJul 02 15:23
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ZiomatrixAnd the hits just keep on coming, T-Mobile discontinues selling the Sidekick starting today: http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=6252Jul 02 15:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ding-dong, @fosspatents , Microsoft too neglects interoperability.Jul 02 15:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft #Sidekick is being kicked by a major distributor http://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=6252 that f'KIN deviceJul 02 15:40
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: at least the Sidekick had a good running life, but thats no thanks to MS's piss poor way of running its cloud but more to do with continuing to use Danger's software and OS as well as formfactor which was perfected.Jul 02 15:41
Ziomatrixschestowitz: in fact I think more phones now should start using that Sidekick form factor as it worked really nicely with the QWERTYJul 02 15:42
MinceRi'd prefer monoblock with qwertyJul 02 15:44
MinceR(less moving parts to break; less moving parts to fuss with when using the device on the go)Jul 02 15:45
MinceRbut devices with that form factor tend to lack touchscreensJul 02 15:45
ZiomatrixMinceR: not really as the Palm Pre and Samsung Epic 4G showJul 02 15:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Microsoft MVP who is also a vice president at #Novell says what he would do if he was in charge of #Vista8 http://ur1.ca/0ir7fJul 02 15:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Busy with upgrades, legal issues, releases, fundraising, etc. Help us with opportunistic critics at this time.Jul 02 15:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @karsten: Summary of this week's #ACTA negotiations http://ur1.ca/0ir6l Text secret again, things still look very bad #fsfeJul 02 15:56
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39030029#notice-39293435 "@schestowitz: Aye..only in Canada would you see a baton charge by police on cycles..and maybe Holland too."Jul 02 15:58
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schestowitzZiomatrix: yeah, let me quote you on thatJul 02 15:58
Ziomatrixschestowitz: on which, about the Sidekick being phased out or smartphones such as the Samsung Epic and Palm Pre using a combo of physical QWERTY and touchscreen?Jul 02 16:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @techdirt: Woman Sues Theater For Pressing Charges Over Filming Twilight Snippets At Birthday Party http://dlvr.it/2F4lzJul 02 16:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @bkuhn: I found their @joindiaspora 's use of #Flash #disturbing. Even worse to now learn it contradicts their own assurances.Jul 02 16:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rumour: #Microsoft Executives-Run Company to Buy #Novell http://ur1.ca/0irz8 #vmare #redhat #gnu #linuxJul 02 16:07
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schestowitzReceived: (qmail 28653 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2010 05:20:23 +0100Jul 02 16:26
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schestowitzReply-To: < CBS@News.com>Jul 02 16:26
schestowitzFrom: " CBS@News.com"< CBS@News.com>Jul 02 16:26
schestowitzSubject: Eminem , Marshall Mathers is DEAD !!!! Jul 02 16:26
schestowitzDate: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:23:07 -0500Jul 02 16:26
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schestowitz^^^^^^^ just got this spamJul 02 16:26
schestowitz"Eminem , Marshall Mathers is DEAD !!!! "Jul 02 16:26
schestowitz:-)Jul 02 16:26
schestowitzZiomatrix: nothing in particular regarding the phoneJul 02 16:27
Ziomatrixschestowitz: isn't Eminem being dead a viral urban myth?Jul 02 16:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] sorry @fabsh; -)Jul 02 16:30
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] 18 Things I Wish Someone Told Me When I Was 18 - http://bit.ly/aiEo6rJul 02 16:40
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MinceRZiomatrix: the palm pre is not monoblockJul 02 16:46
MinceRdunno about the samsung epic 4gJul 02 16:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] T-Mobile is finally dumping Microsoft's #Sidekick and Apple's problems receive scrutiny from @Ghabuntu http://ur1.ca/0iua8Jul 02 16:48
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ZiomatrixMinceR: I meant it wasn't a monoblockJul 02 16:52
MinceRoh.Jul 02 16:52
MinceRso?Jul 02 16:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] So, who won in the #NED vs #BRA match?Jul 02 16:55
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Ziomatrixwhat do you think of Apple's latest attempt at fuzzy math to elevate the iPhone 4 reception issue? http://tinyurl.com/2vxso9eJul 02 17:03
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schestowitzBolzano streetsJul 02 17:06
schestowitzJul 02 17:06
schestowitz[16:28] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: isn't Eminem being dead a viral urban myth?Jul 02 17:06
schestowitzElvis?Jul 02 17:06
Ziomatrixschestowitz: then he must be pulling a TupacJul 02 17:07
schestowitzI was gonna say 2pacJul 02 17:07
schestowitzBut i thought you might not know himJul 02 17:07
schestowitzNotorious BIG got shot tooJul 02 17:07
Ziomatrixschestowitz: what I mean is that there are still new ablums released by Tupac from all his studio rehearsals and recordings. Jul 02 17:09
Ziomatrixschestowitz: some say that the amount is so much that he maybe still alive producing music and releasing it under his estate.Jul 02 17:09
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sebsebsebHiJul 02 17:28
MinceRhayJul 02 17:29
sebsebsebMinceR: HeyJul 02 17:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Under Pressure in #Europe http://techrights.org/2010/07/02/bolzano-and-browser-choice-ballot/Jul 02 17:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @bkuhn: I actually like marriage very much & am married, but I think in general case, doesn't necessarily keep couples together more.Jul 02 17:45
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I guess you didn't quote me, I allow it though for future reference. It would be an honor to have my words tagged all over the interwebz :PJul 02 17:51
schestowitz[17:09] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: what I mean is that there are still new ablums released by Tupac from all his studio rehearsals and recordings. Jul 02 17:53
schestowitzThere's a recent one aired this yearJul 02 17:53
Ziomatrixschestowitz: that man must have made an a song at least within a business week for his entire life.Jul 02 17:54
schestowitzMaybe they should just get a synthed (voice synthesis) voice of him, then have it echo some trash talkJul 02 17:54
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I wonder if they will do synthesized voices in the future for celebs long gone? They already did hologramsJul 02 17:55
schestowitzThey can add/remaster the samples laterJul 02 17:55
schestowitzThe rapper's channel in the recording can be added to a load of stuffJul 02 17:55
schestowitzSome of them just use his voice for voiceoverJul 02 17:55
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schestowitzSo they essentially ride his 'brand name'Jul 02 17:56
schestowitz[17:55] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: I wonder if they will do synthesized voices in the future for celebs long gone? They already did hologramsJul 02 17:56
schestowitzWe have enough humans alreadyJul 02 17:56
schestowitzIt's better to CAD some new creatures and make renditions of stuff we don't see around; people are 99.9% identicalJul 02 17:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FUD Watch: #OpenLogic Survey Shows Enterprises Should be Afraid of #GPL http://ur1.ca/0iw8l #gnu #fsfJul 02 17:57
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: so many artists would disagree with your commentJul 02 17:57
schestowitzDNA agrees with the latter partJul 02 17:57
schestowitzBut people like seeing other people. It's in their DNA. They get attached to group leadersJul 02 17:58
schestowitzThat's how all apes surviveJul 02 17:58
schestowitzCompassion tooJul 02 17:58
schestowitzThose who are not revering some peer figure are left to themselves to starve and go extinctJul 02 17:58
schestowitzBut anyway, take someone like Justice StevensJul 02 17:59
schestowitzMany lawyers look up to those people as though being a legal professional makes one a role modelJul 02 17:59
schestowitzAnd people like Knuth too develop perceived 'brand value'Jul 02 17:59
schestowitzAcademia doesn't like that type of cultreJul 02 18:00
schestowitzShow biz doesJul 02 18:00
schestowitzTake for example the way Carl Sagan's peers took him for his sensationalism of alien lifeJul 02 18:00
schestowitzOr how BillG promotes his investments by monopolisingJul 02 18:01
schestowitzTupac is a brandJul 02 18:01
schestowitzHe was in some films, e.g. with Janet Jackson (who would be nobody if she wasn't tied to Jackson 5/Michael Jackson)Jul 02 18:01
schestowitzPeople assess opinions and products based on brands/reputation, not for what they actually are (the latter gets less of an opportunity of exposure, same in blogs)Jul 02 18:02
schestowitzhttp://www.ktvu.com/news/24118174/detail.htmlJul 02 18:03
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schestowitzFamous killerJul 02 18:03
Ziomatrixschestowitz: you say "Academia" doesn't like this kind of showboating, but then how can you explain String Theory for being proclaimed the end all be all of deciphering the universe?   Jul 02 18:03
schestowitzNot by some peopleJul 02 18:04
schestowitzNeil Tyson says he lost patience with themJul 02 18:04
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I don't mean literally but it was just a theory, yet many professors lauded it and have done research, such as early Quantum computers which had to be isolated in a vacum in order to be able to function and compute the most rudimentary code.Jul 02 18:05
squarepegZiomatrix: I agree, re: String TheoryJul 02 18:07
schestowitzZiomatrix: But maybe it'll materialise one dayJul 02 18:07
schestowitzAt least they put the theoretical framework in place and file it under journalsJul 02 18:08
Ziomatrixsquarepeg: at least now they're introducing other possible theories into the discussion and even having some collaborations.Jul 02 18:08
schestowitzThey can't communicate it with the publicJul 02 18:08
schestowitzThere's a BBC program about itJul 02 18:08
schestowitzMaybe they need more educator typesJul 02 18:09
schestowitzAnd Feynman just says, "if you think you understand quantum physics, then you don't understand quantum physics"Jul 02 18:09
squarepegThey should just admit when it gets to be so abstract, any representation of these phenomena for human consideration is going to remain mostly hypothetical, sometimes it can justifiably be called "theory". Jul 02 18:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Had a rocking jam with Ben last night, looking forward to getting together with Ben and Jim on Sat :-) #severedfifthJul 02 18:10
Ziomatrixschestowitz: certain true, but at one time with String Theory its supporters claimed it could be completely understandable with only some minor anomalies Jul 02 18:11
squarepegThere's a lot more experimentation to be done to nail things down. Things must be verified with different methods, because there's the likelihood that standard methods of experimentation will support a consistent misunderstanding, based on consistent results.Jul 02 18:12
squarepegwith quantum physics there must be different methods employed to verify a single assertion.Jul 02 18:12
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/world_cup_workersJul 02 18:14
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schestowitzsquarepeg: gravity is also just a "theory"Jul 02 18:14
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squarepegyeah, well it's also directly experiencedJul 02 18:16
squarepegnot so with the hypothetical entities of string theoryJul 02 18:16
ender2070don't bash string theoryJul 02 18:17
squarepegString theory is hypothetical, not theoreticalJul 02 18:17
squarepegString HypthesisJul 02 18:17
squarepegString HypeJul 02 18:17
squarepegaw snapJul 02 18:18
squarepegTrust me, I made a hypothesis that black holes emit radiation which is currently undetectable.Jul 02 18:18
squarepegI came up with it a year or two I saw the same hypothesis published in Scientific American by a scientist.Jul 02 18:19
squarepegI got to the same hypothesis through a kind of shamanismJul 02 18:19
ender2070Steven HawkingJul 02 18:19
ender2070enough saidJul 02 18:19
squarepeghe's a good science fiction authorJul 02 18:19
ender2070shamanism?Jul 02 18:19
squarepegkiddingJul 02 18:19
ender2070mushrooms or LSDJul 02 18:19
ender2070lolJul 02 18:19
squarepegLSDJul 02 18:20
squarepegand shrooms Jul 02 18:20
ender2070that would FUCK you upJul 02 18:20
ender2070lolJul 02 18:20
squarepegand just absorbing a lot of scientific theory from magazines and booksJul 02 18:20
ender2070the problem with slashdotJul 02 18:20
squarepegI just decided I didn't buy the wormhole hypothesisJul 02 18:20
ender2070they publish a lot of discoveries and people don't believe it when you tell them about itJul 02 18:21
squarepegand that what goes into a gravity well must be emitting energy as wellJul 02 18:21
ender2070I believe they did detect black hole radiation thoughJul 02 18:22
squarepegdetectable forms of energy are obviously not escaping black holes, but that matter it consumes must be manifesting some other wayJul 02 18:22
squarepegwhat, gamma ray bursts or something?Jul 02 18:22
ender2070im not sureJul 02 18:22
ender2070i was watching a video on steven hawking at waterloo a few weeks agoJul 02 18:22
squarepegwell, whatever. I'm just saying, I didn't buy the wormhole hypothesis, the multiple parallel universe hypothesis, time travel, nor the idea that the Big Bang was the origin of universal creationJul 02 18:23
ender2070he said that information is not lost in a black holeJul 02 18:24
ender2070just gets scrambled or somethingJul 02 18:24
ender2070its not intelligble to put back togetherJul 02 18:24
squarepegIn that sense, no information is ever lost..Jul 02 18:24
squarepegthere are causual relationships between everythingJul 02 18:25
ender2070thats what the evidence points to I guessJul 02 18:25
squarepegbut now we're getting into the area which concerns the debate between belief in predeterminism and freedom of willJul 02 18:25
ender2070and an area in which we are both not expertsJul 02 18:26
ender2070and even experts aren't agreeingJul 02 18:26
squarepegThis is where my scientific cult can capture even the most educated minds.Jul 02 18:26
ender2070LOLJul 02 18:26
ender2070scientific cult?Jul 02 18:26
ender2070ever heard of scientific dictatorship?Jul 02 18:26
squarepegyes, I have a cult in which those of weaker faith can become ensnared by their own logic.Jul 02 18:27
ender2070yeah thats the premise of the scientific dictatorshipJul 02 18:27
squarepeginteresting. Never heard of it.Jul 02 18:27
ender2070think about itJul 02 18:27
ender2070you indoctrinate people all their lives by putting them through school, you control how they come up with their logicJul 02 18:28
squarepegwait - you were about to slip into an abyss of doubt about your own willJul 02 18:28
squarepegjust suppose, if every effect is preceded by a cause, it's as if we're all on rails Jul 02 18:28
squarepegit's as if we're all in a statue garden, except with a fourth dimension of change, all of which is preordainedJul 02 18:29
squarepegdo you think this is possible?Jul 02 18:29
ender2070why can't you have predetermination and free willJul 02 18:29
ender2070a mix of bothJul 02 18:29
ender2070if you change your mind about something you go down a different predetermined pathJul 02 18:30
squarepeguse rigid logic, if you don't mindJul 02 18:30
ender2070parallel universesJul 02 18:30
squarepegyou don't change your mind, your mind changes due to circumstances beyond your control or comprehensionJul 02 18:30
squarepegyour mind is like the weatherJul 02 18:30
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squarepegpredictable with enough computational powerJul 02 18:31
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ender2070sorry about that d/cJul 02 18:31
ender2070what was the last thing I saidJul 02 18:31
squarepeg17:27 < ender2070> parallel universesJul 02 18:31
squarepeg17:27 < squarepeg> you don't change your mind, your mind changes due to circumstances beyond your control or comprehensionJul 02 18:31
squarepeg17:27 < squarepeg> your mind is like the weatherJul 02 18:31
ender2070oh okJul 02 18:31
squarepegI'm just trying to question your hope or confidence in free willJul 02 18:32
ender2070I think its thereJul 02 18:32
squarepegI don't remember why I have faith in my own free willJul 02 18:32
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squarepegso I won't be able to help you if you're overcome by despair in the belief in predeterminismJul 02 18:33
squarepegBut I can get back to you later. You can keep a little flame of hope alive that I have a coherent answer.Jul 02 18:33
ender2070im more a believer in free willJul 02 18:33
squarepegIt might not become apparent to me again without some drugsJul 02 18:33
ender2070but i see evidence in *some* predeterminismJul 02 18:33
ender2070i was sharing my own theoryJul 02 18:34
squarepegIt's clear to me after snorting some coke and k Jul 02 18:34
ender2070lol but how does harming your body help?Jul 02 18:35
squarepegit's enhancing my mindJul 02 18:35
ender2070how?Jul 02 18:35
squarepegyou'd have to try to understandJul 02 18:35
ender2070I can see perhaps how mushrooms mightJul 02 18:35
squarepegbut there's no needJul 02 18:35
ender2070not coke or KJul 02 18:35
squarepeghave you tried K?Jul 02 18:35
ender2070neverJul 02 18:36
squarepegyou don't know of its psychedelic effectsJul 02 18:36
ender2070its a cat tranquilizer, no thanksJul 02 18:36
squarepegit's a disassociative that can give a curiously philosophical and abstract perspectiveJul 02 18:36
ender2070that's why drugs are often labeled 'mind altering'Jul 02 18:37
squarepegProbably the government doesn't want me to have it because the power of my will is influencing geopolitical events too much.Jul 02 18:37
ender2070how do you know the government didn't design the drug that way to have that precise effect?Jul 02 18:37
squarepeg(I love to share my delusions of grandeur.)Jul 02 18:37
ender2070The thing I notice is the agenda to make us all think we're 'one'Jul 02 18:38
squarepegyeah, that's amusingJul 02 18:38
ender2070UN is one in frenchJul 02 18:38
squarepegI like to claim the status of a 33rd degree Mason, in addition to shamanic claims.Jul 02 18:39
ender2070shamanism, druidry, and other forms I think are more credible than some science these daysJul 02 18:39
ender2070some scienceJul 02 18:39
ender2070not all scienceJul 02 18:39
ender2070lolJul 02 18:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @torrentfreak: Pirate Party to Run Pirate Bay from Swedish Parliament http://bit.ly/a9CIhTJul 02 18:39
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ender2070claim the status of 33rd degree?Jul 02 18:39
ender2070are you?Jul 02 18:39
squarepegI'm not aggressive about promoting my claimsJul 02 18:39
squarepegI have a sense of humor about cult lord statusJul 02 18:40
squarepegif there is such a thing, I am itJul 02 18:40
ender2070there is no disputing that freemasons existJul 02 18:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] This is how happy eating Rupert Murdoch's hors d'oeuvres can make you http://flic.kr/p/8f9pZVJul 02 18:40
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ender2070there are two lodges here in Hamilton OntarioJul 02 18:40
squarepegI've known since very early childhood that I had a peculiarly recursive self-awarenessJul 02 18:41
ender2070I saw one up in Burks Falls, Ontario (within driving distance of the G8 at Huntsville Ontario)Jul 02 18:41
ender2070recursive self-awareness?Jul 02 18:41
ender2070I was self aware at an early ageJul 02 18:41
ender2070I was walking before age 1Jul 02 18:41
squarepegyes, but it's like the spiral of a nautilus shell - how many turns in the spiral?Jul 02 18:41
ender2070i had empathy before 3Jul 02 18:41
squarepegyou may now beg to be my discipleJul 02 18:42
ender2070LOLJul 02 18:42
ender2070I don't even know who you areJul 02 18:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman's political blog has vanished from the server around July 4th (hopefully just temporarily) http://ur1.ca/0iwxdJul 02 18:42
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squarepegyeah, it's ridiculousJul 02 18:42
squarepegIt's only a joke to me.Jul 02 18:43
squarepeganyone who actually wants to be my disciple only gets mockedJul 02 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz An EU interoperability law of the contemplated kind would affect all significant players including Microsoft. One law for all.Jul 02 18:43
ender2070ahhhJul 02 18:43
squarepegbut if someone becomes consternated, I will try to gain the upper hand from their moment of hesitation or confusion.Jul 02 18:44
ender2070how far back does your memory go, and how old are youJul 02 18:45
squarepegI don't remember my numeric age from my earlier memoriesJul 02 18:45
squarepegand they're pretty well faded from over-considerationJul 02 18:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @nordicons: Finland makes broadband a 'legal right': http://idek.net/2mflJul 02 18:45
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squarepegmy earliest memories are only memories of memories, recalled and saved so many times they're only cartoons.Jul 02 18:46
ender2070I have memories I can guarantee are from before I was 1Jul 02 18:46
ender2070I remember being self aware as a babyJul 02 18:46
ender2070im 25 nowJul 02 18:46
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squarepegyes, but did you have telekinesis? Jul 02 18:47
ender2070noJul 02 18:47
squarepegwere you able to drag your umbilical cord around before the doctors clamped it and clipped it?Jul 02 18:47
ender2070my memory doesnt go that farJul 02 18:48
squarepegdid you slap the doctor before he slapped you?Jul 02 18:48
ender2070I remember a few things I did as a babyJul 02 18:48
ender2070being held by my great grand mother is oneJul 02 18:48
ender2070she died before I was 1Jul 02 18:48
ender2070i also remember learning to walkJul 02 18:49
ender2070i used tables and climbed stairsJul 02 18:49
ender2070anything i could use to stand upJul 02 18:49
squarepegthat's good if you can remember thatJul 02 18:50
squarepegi became socially paranoid at an early age. I realized early that they were all out to get me, because I'm "The One".Jul 02 18:51
ender2070the idea that you might be 'jesus' ?Jul 02 18:52
ender2070or equivalentJul 02 18:52
squarepegAnyway, I just say these things to ring the alarm bells of all the people who stress themselves over such things.Jul 02 18:52
ThistleWeb"nobody fucks wit da Jesus"Jul 02 18:52
squarepegChoose your mythology. Jul 02 18:52
ender2070I had the idea that i'm the only self aware being and everyone else is fake or autonomousJul 02 18:53
ender2070theories are theories thoughJul 02 18:53
squarepeg"The One" is the subjective figure in every myth.Jul 02 18:53
ender2070I think therefor I amJul 02 18:53
squarepegMay the most egotistical one winJul 02 18:53
ender2070I woke up to the society we live in at an early ageJul 02 18:54
ender2070to how bad it isJul 02 18:54
ender2070most people don't question the way things areJul 02 18:55
ender2070they just go along with itJul 02 18:55
ender2070my teachers told me to go along with it, when I asked questionsJul 02 18:55
squarepegI'm not going to say it's good or bad.Jul 02 18:57
squarepegthe problem isn't just those who are blindly egotisticalJul 02 19:03
squarepegit's also those who consider themselves austere in being exceptionally not egotisticalJul 02 19:03
squarepegthose who take pride in being humble are just as badJul 02 19:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's departing Robotics chief has contacted me with clarifications about his departure (see update): http://ur1.ca/04gdpJul 02 19:04
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ender2070I could be a freemasonJul 02 19:09
ender2070I know someone who can get me inJul 02 19:09
ender2070the only thing stopping me is not owning a carJul 02 19:12
ender2070I would be expected to go to meetings every week in Toronto OntarioJul 02 19:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @DigitalSprint: "The mechanism behind community is Stories" - just re-reading the wonderful "The Art of Community" http://cot.ag/b0Bw6wJul 02 19:12
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ender2070he can only get me into his lodge for-sureJul 02 19:13
ender2070i always make fun of him jokingly, lolJul 02 19:13
squarepegI can't tell you the secretJul 02 19:13
ender2070he works at DieboldJul 02 19:13
ender2070i accuse him of rigging elections all the timeJul 02 19:14
ender2070lolJul 02 19:14
ender2070oh so you are a freemason?Jul 02 19:14
ender2070you already told me too much thenJul 02 19:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] California against Nature - http://bit.ly/8ZEkhC Peter Suber offers deep and detailed anyalysis of what the tussle means for #openaccess etcJul 02 19:14
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ender2070ever think of the Internet as an early telepathic building set?Jul 02 19:16
squarepegender2070: not "a freemason", but the eye at the apex of the pyramidJul 02 19:17
squarepegok, have a patriotic weekendJul 02 19:17
schestowitzInternet is an escape from centralised controlJul 02 19:17
schestowitzOriginally for military to endure something like nuclear strike and still communictaeJul 02 19:17
squarepegschestowitz: there you are buddyJul 02 19:17
ender2070squarepeg - illuminati?Jul 02 19:18
schestowitzLater adopted by more anarchaoic typesJul 02 19:18
ender2070LOLJul 02 19:18
squarepegender2070: "The One"Jul 02 19:18
schestowitzI like the Internet, it mixes everythingJul 02 19:18
squarepegI met Robert Anton Wilson. My father and I had dinner with him.Jul 02 19:18
ender2070schestowitz - the internet is also a net, or a web to keep people mainstreamJul 02 19:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] [update] An (Analogue) Artist's Reply to Just Criticism - http://bit.ly/dDoPQF [added key URL - sorry] #abundance #scarcity #copyrightJul 02 19:18
squarepeghe wrote the Illuminati Trilogy, from which most neophytes get their knowledge of the greatest secret society of allJul 02 19:18
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schestowitzot track people's thoughts (an afterthought)Jul 02 19:19
schestowitzThere's DPI nowJul 02 19:19
squarepegok, I'm outJul 02 19:19
ender2070think about what the internet is being used for right nowJul 02 19:19
ender2070with all the social mediaJul 02 19:19
ender2070they dont need big brotherJul 02 19:19
ender2070you're your own big brotherJul 02 19:19
ender2070and everything you do leaves a log behind somewhereJul 02 19:20
ender2070the internet is a double edged swordJul 02 19:20
ender2070it can cut both the user and the abuserJul 02 19:21
ender2070but being a military invention, its purpose was to be able to track what everyone doesJul 02 19:21
ender2070especially with all the internet connected devices (non-pc's)Jul 02 19:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Summer of Code 2010: Meet The Students and Mentors! - http://bit.ly/aqZ4m5 some stats #google #summerofcodeJul 02 19:22
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ender2070you look up directions to a movie theatre, and the government will be able to find outJul 02 19:22
ender2070gps on your cell phoneJul 02 19:23
ender2070etcJul 02 19:23
ender2070before the internet not everything left a paper trailJul 02 19:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @sjvn: Apple iPhone 4 Reception Explanation Borders on Surreal by @ron_miller on DaniWeb. http://bit.ly/9aELvNJul 02 19:23
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ender2070I believe they didn't expect us to use the internet against them like we currently doJul 02 19:24
ender2070which is why a lot of laws are being suggested to take rights away from bloggers, talk radio, and any unauthorized mediaJul 02 19:25
ender2070Hillary Clinton wants to kill talk radioJul 02 19:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @jzb: If Apple's explanation is remotely true, AT&T's service is even worse than I thought. Half the time I only get two bars at home.Jul 02 19:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Recently I advised Oracle on how to be successful with the MySQL community - http://is.gd/dcXNR #mysqlJul 02 19:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] One Month In - http://bit.ly/9v0Kgw yeah, whatever happened to that Diaspora lot? #facebook #opensourceJul 02 19:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] RMS Interview on Indian National channel DD9 on Sunday - 4 July 2010 http://post.ly/layjJul 02 19:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Finalmente. Sera q se vai saber alguma coisa em breve? ♺ @JNegocios: Vara renuncia ao mandato do BCP http://xl.pt/r/bxsJneJul 02 19:41
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schestowitz[19:21] <ender2070> but being a military invention, its purpose was to be able to track what everyone doesJul 02 19:43
schestowitzNot really, that was not part of the designJul 02 19:43
schestowitzThe design put together by people like Cerf was made to make no single point of failureJul 02 19:43
schestowitz[19:23] <ender2070> before the internet not everything left a paper trailJul 02 19:43
schestowitzShopping tooJul 02 19:43
schestowitzHere we have Nectar cards, so groceries would cost me 1% more if I wish to pay with cash without being trackedJul 02 19:44
schestowitzMore of a matter of principle I can't care much about. RMS says London's Oyster is similarJul 02 19:44
MinceRthere was no "everyone" on that network, it was intended for military use afaikJul 02 19:45
ender2070[14:39] <schestowitz> Not really, that was not part of the designJul 02 19:48
ender2070when is the US military honest?Jul 02 19:48
ender2070you dont think they opened it up to the world to track people?Jul 02 19:48
schestowitzAll those things are not designed for the side effectsJul 02 19:48
schestowitzNectar is to help the customer, but the side effects happen to be exploited. Same with server logs, which can help diagnosisJul 02 19:48
ender2070Nectar sounds like its a punishment for not being trackedJul 02 19:49
schestowitzNoJul 02 19:49
ender2070it sure doesJul 02 19:49
schestowitzIt's a concessions thing, a card where you can accumulate credit, then get discountsJul 02 19:49
ender2070it costs more to use cashJul 02 19:49
ender2070ohhhhJul 02 19:49
schestowitzNoJul 02 19:49
schestowitzYou can use cashJul 02 19:49
ender2070yeah we have those tooJul 02 19:49
schestowitzBut the cards then gets swiped, thus indetifying youJul 02 19:50
ender2070club Z pointsJul 02 19:50
schestowitzAnd when you go online you see them listing what you boughtJul 02 19:50
ender2070pc pointsJul 02 19:50
schestowitzThey link the namesJul 02 19:50
ender2070petro pointsJul 02 19:50
schestowitzThat tooJul 02 19:50
schestowitzBPJul 02 19:50
schestowitzNectar spans many businessesJul 02 19:50
ender2070well without the internet they would have to build infrastructure for all of thatJul 02 19:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Tweegle – You Look Googling From Your Boss, But Using Twitter Actually - http://bit.ly/d63Bq5 clever #twitter #googleJul 02 19:50
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schestowitzSo if you pay for petrol with cash and swipe the card, then they still get you loggedJul 02 19:50
ender2070the internet is the backbone for a lot of tracking these daysJul 02 19:50
schestowitzGoogleJul 02 19:51
ender2070everything on the internet has been logged from day oneJul 02 19:51
schestowitzBut I hard theories about CIA tiesJul 02 19:51
schestowitzExcept Matt Cutts, I know of no substantial connectionJul 02 19:51
ender2070there wont beJul 02 19:51
ender2070even if you find a connection nobody will careJul 02 19:52
ender2070Osama Bin Laden was trained by the CIA, and nobody caresJul 02 19:52
ender2070they just think he went rogueJul 02 19:52
ender2070his family did the reconstruction and bomb proofing after the first attackJul 02 19:52
schestowitzhttp://asiajin.com/blog/2010/07/02/tweegle-you-look-googling-from-your-boss-but-using-twitter-actually/Jul 02 19:52
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schestowitzHahaJul 02 19:52
schestowitzCleverJul 02 19:52
ender2070the bush/bin laden amalgamationJul 02 19:52
schestowitz /bin/bush ?Jul 02 19:54
schestowitzsudo killall -9 /bin/bush Jul 02 19:54
schestowitzERRORJul 02 19:54
schestowitztry /bin/obamaJul 02 19:55
schestowitzcat /bin/obamaJul 02 19:55
schestowitzFILE IS BINARYJul 02 19:55
schestowitzexec /bin/obamaJul 02 19:55
schestowitz"OBAMA is a Marxist muslim. Love, Glenn Beck"Jul 02 19:56
schestowitz:-)Jul 02 19:56
ender2070lolJul 02 19:56
schestowitzYou should see pollsJul 02 19:56
schestowitzThey are deludedJul 02 19:56
ender2070Obama is just a communistJul 02 19:56
schestowitzLike 50 of them think Obama was not born in HawaiiJul 02 19:56
schestowitzANd many think he's with 'them'Jul 02 19:56
schestowitzReality distortion fieleJul 02 19:56
schestowitzReality distortion fieldJul 02 19:57
schestowitzIt was in The Young Turks, let me find it.Jul 02 19:57
ender2070well i wont lie about him to get raitingsJul 02 19:57
ender2070ratingsJul 02 19:57
ender2070i dont trust the young turksJul 02 19:57
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw8UOaEkdisJul 02 19:57
ender2070not reliable, they are disinfo agentsJul 02 19:57
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schestowitz:-DJul 02 19:57
schestowitzHilariousJul 02 19:57
ender2070I think the first thing you need to do before you take someones word is to do a background check on themJul 02 20:06
ender2070See what organizations they've pledged allegiance toJul 02 20:07
ender2070See who funds themJul 02 20:07
ender2070and best of all: check the facts they are spewing before being a brainless repeaterJul 02 20:07
ender2070EVERYONE has an agendaJul 02 20:08
MinceRopening up came _after_ design :>Jul 02 20:09
ender2070huh?Jul 02 20:09
ender2070talking about the net?Jul 02 20:09
ender2070thats possible but you can't prove itJul 02 20:10
ender2070i cant either but i doubt they werent tracking the students using it before the mass public were allowed onJul 02 20:11
ender2070actually I think tracking would be required in the design for security purposesJul 02 20:12
ender2070even dial-up non centralized BBS systems tracked their usersJul 02 20:13
ender2070a sysop could literally echo your connectoin on his screenJul 02 20:13
ender2070connection*Jul 02 20:14
ender2070I miss BBS'sJul 02 20:16
ender2070:(Jul 02 20:16
ender2070it was a lot easier to keep communication a secretJul 02 20:17
ender2070people often hacked payphones to get a dialup connection to become untracable Jul 02 20:18
ender2070nothing on the internet is untracable Jul 02 20:19
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/39072546#notice-39321002 "it is pity #rms's political blog is not there. carefully researched, it has good hints. #blog #politics"Jul 02 20:26
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schestowitzUSENET is being killedJul 02 20:27
tessierUsenet died 10 years ago.Jul 02 20:27
schestowitzIt's decentralisedJul 02 20:27
tessierLots on the net is untraceable.Jul 02 20:27
schestowitztessier: but this time it's killed *killed*Jul 02 20:27
tessierschestowitz: How so?Jul 02 20:27
schestowitzThey cut off access through ISPsJul 02 20:27
tessierWho did?Jul 02 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] c'mon @fabsh. NED wins. Show some respect.Jul 02 20:27
schestowitztessier: AT&T, Rogers...Jul 02 20:27
schestowitzCox raherJul 02 20:28
tessierHardly anybody uses it anymore. Customers were not willing to pay for it.Jul 02 20:28
schestowitzI haven't kept good trackJul 02 20:28
tessierRun your own usenet server.Jul 02 20:28
tessierI can't say I blame them.Jul 02 20:28
schestowitzAnd I think Google Group set a subscription wall Jul 02 20:28
tessierThe should have just dumped the binary groups first though.Jul 02 20:28
tessierWould have cut down on a lot of the cost.Jul 02 20:28
tessierOf course, then even fewer people would use it.Jul 02 20:28
schestowitzMozilla and other still rely on USENETJul 02 20:28
schestowitzSome FOSS project use itJul 02 20:29
tessierI thought they did mostly mailing lists?Jul 02 20:29
tessierAnd if anything, the lists were gatewayed to usenet.Jul 02 20:29
schestowitzI knowJul 02 20:29
schestowitzBut some use it via USENET/GroupsJul 02 20:29
schestowitzUnless their ISP quits itJul 02 20:30
tessierThe Mozilla project could just run their own usenet server.Jul 02 20:30
tessierAnd still feed to the upstreams.Jul 02 20:30
ender2070[15:24] <tessier> Lots on the net is untraceable. <---- HAHAHAHAHAJul 02 20:30
ender2070even freenet and tor have possible attack vectors and are tracable Jul 02 20:32
ender2070not easily but its possibleJul 02 20:32
ender2070people who think encryption will save them are naiveJul 02 20:32
tessierIf you want to securely communicate you won't be using a web browser.Jul 02 20:35
schestowitzThere is dictation and voice recognition with syntactic analysis for phonesJul 02 20:38
schestowitzSo you're best off with pen/paper or face-to-faceJul 02 20:38
ender2070[15:32] <tessier> If you want to securely communicate you won't be using a web browser.Jul 02 20:39
ender2070everything leaves a log somewhereJul 02 20:39
ender2070later guysJul 02 20:39
ender2070and quantum computing makes encryption obsoleteJul 02 20:40
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Mine first Octave coding which detect motion in images and smooth the image - http://pastebin.com/cBciVccv #octave #imageJul 02 20:53
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schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Jul 02 20:56
schestowitz> Jul 02 20:56
schestowitz> Not sure where this link should go:Jul 02 20:56
schestowitz> Jul 02 20:56
schestowitz> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/06/05/microsoft_shuts_swedish_mobile_technology/Jul 02 20:56
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schestowitz> Jul 02 20:56
schestowitz> AFAIK it is from before The Reg signed up as some kind of M$ advertisingJul 02 20:56
schestowitz> partner.Jul 02 20:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Wow - 1GHZ SBC drives dual displays - http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Advantech-PCM3343/?kc=rss #sbcJul 02 20:59
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MinceRhttp://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3891071/Tech-Comics-The-Joy-of-Patents.htmJul 02 21:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @erdgeist Ich faß es nicht… M$ hat zum ersten mal was Praktisches erfunden Error: The URL you entered is on our blacklist or of a type nJul 02 21:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] If the other scripting allowed in HTML5 like octave,python,ruby in html5 then it will become coolest thing. Shit they will jump with mono :(Jul 02 21:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Colin Charles on my Oracle/MySQL video - http://is.gd/dd5gJ - btw, Colin Charles is a legend, respec' to the man. :-) #mysqlJul 02 21:31
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFVE8csrcRwJul 02 21:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Research: Android's Big Lead Over Apple In Free Apps - http://bit.ly/8ZUT4A not necessarily #freesw, but it's a start #android #iphoneJul 02 22:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facebook Unveils One of the History's Most Powerful Recommendation Engines - http://bit.ly/doUXhb getting a little worrying, perhaps?Jul 02 22:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Concrete Company Sues Woman For Posting Negative Review On Angie's List - http://bit.ly/9bVusx Streisand effect requires us to pass this onJul 02 22:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Quote of the Day: “Gates Foundation Still Giving Windows Away for Free” http://ur1.ca/0izkb #dumping #gnu #linux #indiaJul 02 23:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #HP Needs to Support OpenDocument Format (ODF) to Help Itself http://ur1.ca/0izmd #ooxml #odf #format #standard #linuxJul 02 23:30
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Futurama Takes on Apple LOL http://2tu.us/2etkJul 02 23:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Company of #Novell Co-Founder Drew Major is Now Dead http://ur1.ca/0izps Move Networks is reportedly shutting downJul 02 23:47
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Diablo-D3that headline sucksJul 02 23:49
Diablo-D3it took me a couple tries to not misread it as drew major is deadJul 02 23:49
cubezzzanyone recall what rtime is part of?Jul 02 23:50
cubezzzglibcJul 02 23:54
MinceRperhaps that was intended :>Jul 02 23:54

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