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| DaemonFC | GCC seems to have obsessive compulsive tidy pie disorder over a line or two here and there that it should work around, but then it can ignore serious problems and gives you a binary full of bugs | Jul 08 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I've just never been able to stick my head far enough up my ass to understand that | Jul 08 00:00 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, let's see you compile for PowerPC or ARM | Jul 08 00:01 |
| MinceR | oh, it's "let's flame the OS we don't like" day? | Jul 08 00:01 |
| MinceR | here's my contribution: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/54536/win32-gui-app-that-writes-usage-text-to-stdout-when-invoked-as-app-exe-help/113032#113032 | Jul 08 00:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: win32 GUI app that writes usage text to stdout when invoked as "app.exe --help" - Stack Overflow .::. Size~: 37.29 KB | Jul 08 00:01 |
| cubezzz | oh burrnnn | Jul 08 00:01 |
| MinceR | in m$ world, you only get to write to the console _or_ have a gui, because fuck you. | Jul 08 00:01 |
| MinceR | funny how it just worked in cygwin | Jul 08 00:02 |
| cubezzz | gcc is extremely important, I'm delighted we have a free compiler | Jul 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I usually just use CMD and batch files still | Jul 08 00:02 |
| MinceR | which was written by people m$ folks like so much to look down upon | Jul 08 00:02 |
| MinceR | sadly i'm forced to use winblows for work now | Jul 08 00:02 |
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| DaemonFC | Powershell managed to perform half as fast and add like 5% more useful features | Jul 08 00:02 |
| MinceR | and every day i find out how incredibly fucking retarded it is | Jul 08 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure it's more useful to someone, but not me | Jul 08 00:02 |
| MinceR | with the focus stealing and msvcrt failing to redraw itself | Jul 08 00:03 |
| MinceR | and the slowness | Jul 08 00:03 |
| MinceR | and the random inexplicable stupid behavior everywhere | Jul 08 00:03 |
| cubezzz | I'm talking to the wall | Jul 08 00:03 |
| *DaemonFC feeds cubezzz to cmd.exe | Jul 08 00:03 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 08 00:03 |
| MinceR | oh, resizing an msvcrt window horizontally is fun, too | Jul 08 00:03 |
| MinceR | because just grabbing the window border and dragging is for unix users, don't you know | Jul 08 00:04 |
| MinceR | it's so much better to change a number in a spinner box and watching the preview WHICH LIES TO YOU | Jul 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | The Linux sound system is what terrifies me | Jul 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's so bad that Pulseaudio is an improvement | Jul 08 00:04 |
| cubezzz | so DaemonFC, how much did you paid for Visual C++? | Jul 08 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | that should scare the hell out of anyone | Jul 08 00:05 |
| cubezzz | just curious | Jul 08 00:05 |
| MinceR | try the sound system in winxp and you'll love all the gnu/linux sound systems ever | Jul 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | Without Pulseaudio you're left to blacklist devices it should be trying to use to begin with | Jul 08 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | *shouldn't | Jul 08 00:05 |
| MinceR | especially when outlook suddenly forgets that there's actually a sound chip in the machine, it always was there and never went out for a coffee break | Jul 08 00:05 |
| MinceR | and so it beeps with the pc speaker | Jul 08 00:05 |
| MinceR | in a room full of co-workers | Jul 08 00:05 |
| cubezzz | you actually use outlook? :) | Jul 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | i have to :/ | Jul 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | the client uses exchange | Jul 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I may use KDE if anyone ever figures out that it needs a native-ish Pulseaudio configuration applet that works | Jul 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | and their machine has winblows on it | Jul 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | and possibly a utility for simple webcam ops like take a picture or make a video | Jul 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | though i'm thinking of compiling virtualbox ose for winblows and running some gnu/linux distro fullscreen whenever i can | Jul 08 00:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: or you might just want to ditch PA | Jul 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | The thing that angers me about KDE is it gets all the big stuff right and manages to leave out one or two important things | Jul 08 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | which are now an exercise for the user | Jul 08 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 00:07 |
| MinceR | the thing that angers me about KDE is once they got pretty much everything right they nuked it and came up with an unstable mess | Jul 08 00:07 |
| cubezzz | you know my solution | Jul 08 00:07 |
| MinceR | i do | Jul 08 00:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what do you not like about it? | Jul 08 00:08 |
| MinceR | of course outlook can only connect to one exchange server, because it was coded by retards | Jul 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | /coded/slapped together/ | Jul 08 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they just hired Juko to 'steal' some Plurk | Jul 08 00:08 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: plasma-desktop crashes left and right, screws up its own config, freezes for seconds when a new storage device is about to appear | Jul 08 00:08 |
| MinceR | etc. | Jul 08 00:08 |
| cubezzz | at Media Salvation we are 90% Linux now | Jul 08 00:09 |
| cubezzz | for _work_ :) | Jul 08 00:09 |
| MinceR | and kwin doesn't work right without it | Jul 08 00:09 |
| MinceR | my previous employer was mostly gnu/linux and my internship before that let me use gnu/linux | Jul 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Media Salvation is wicked ! | Jul 08 00:09 |
| MinceR | but my previous employers are assholes | Jul 08 00:09 |
| schestowitz | It's also beneficial to society in many ways | Jul 08 00:09 |
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| DaemonFC | The Linux absurdity flowchart, for me, put as simply as possible is like this: Does distro have X86-64 version? If Yes > Does ATI's driver manage to work-ish on it? If Yes> Do they have Pulseaudio set up so I don't have to f*** and fart around with low level config files? If yes> Does UVC webcam functionality not inexplicably give me every color of the rainbow when I try starting my UVC-compliant webcam, if Yes> There's | Jul 08 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | the distro I want to use | Jul 08 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I'm on Windows a lot of the time | Jul 08 00:10 |
| cubezzz | you are on windows all the time it seems | Jul 08 00:10 |
| MinceR | or you could just throw out all that garbage and get a real PC | Jul 08 00:10 |
| MinceR | without that ATI crap and noname webcam | Jul 08 00:10 |
| cubezzz | ha | Jul 08 00:10 |
| cubezzz | ATI is OK by me | Jul 08 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | even standard, mainstream, "Sweet Jews for Jesus, there have to be at least a million other people with this!!!" devices have a 50% chance of just working | Jul 08 00:11 |
| MinceR | funny how i never needed a webcam yet the built-in webcams in two of my laptops work just fine out of the box | Jul 08 00:11 |
| MinceR | standard, mainstream, etc. devices tend to be crap | Jul 08 00:11 |
| MinceR | shat together in china with random bits for drivers | Jul 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's the most popular apologist answer | Jul 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | "Your device is crap" | Jul 08 00:11 |
| MinceR | that's the truth | Jul 08 00:11 |
| DaemonFC | even when the device is more capable than anything from the competition | Jul 08 00:12 |
| cubezzz | it is true some of the time | Jul 08 00:12 |
| MinceR | you know, when a tuner card ships with a .bat file to uninstall its drivers because they depend on each other, no other adjective comes to mind | Jul 08 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | show me the Nvidia card that supports OpenGL 4 natively on the hardware? | Jul 08 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | there isn't one | Jul 08 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | show me the Intel card that performs well, there's no such thing | Jul 08 00:12 |
| MinceR | and when the default apps look like the worst winblows shit, the same thing comes to mind | Jul 08 00:12 |
| MinceR | show me the ATI card that's properly supported by ATI | Jul 08 00:12 |
| MinceR | there's no such thing | Jul 08 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | you get a nice shiny new ATI card that supports OpenGL 4 and freaking flies on Windows, and Linux turns it into a stupid framebuffer for you | Jul 08 00:13 |
| MinceR | they don't care about hiring people who know how to code to make drivers | Jul 08 00:13 |
| MinceR | not even for winblows | Jul 08 00:13 |
| MinceR | you know when an ATI card flies? when you throw it out the window because they forgot to write drivers for it. | Jul 08 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | The more features your device has, the more of them Linux disables for you | Jul 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's damned maddening | Jul 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | the more features your ATI card has, the more features don't have any support in the driver for it | Jul 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | but at least you get to install some shiny and slow .net crap for it on winblows | Jul 08 00:14 |
| MinceR | must be a lot of fun | Jul 08 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | If ATI card is new: Linux may not even boot, even with vesa support, if it's old, ATI has thrown it overboard and you get to use the open source driver which turns your laptop into an inferno | Jul 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 00:15 |
| MinceR | get an nvidia or an intel. | Jul 08 00:15 |
| cubezzz | whatever, I actually like ATI | Jul 08 00:15 |
| DaemonFC | Intel doesn't make GPUs | Jul 08 00:16 |
| cubezzz | my 486 even runs ATI VGA Wonder+ | Jul 08 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | and Nvidia is the spawn of Satan | Jul 08 00:16 |
| cubezzz | note the plus on the end there | Jul 08 00:16 |
| cubezzz | :-P | Jul 08 00:16 |
| MinceR | intel does make gpus | Jul 08 00:16 |
| MinceR | what's more, intel also makes drivers for them | Jul 08 00:17 |
| cubezzz | right so we should just all give our money to Microsoft, right DaemonFC? | Jul 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | their cards are all last-generation stuff with premium prices, and then you get to fund their terrorism related political activities when you buy their hardware | Jul 08 00:17 |
| MinceR | which is more than what could be said about ATI | Jul 08 00:17 |
| cubezzz | or pirate... | Jul 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | I consider Nvidia to be a terrorist organization | Jul 08 00:17 |
| MinceR | (except for the crap they license from powervr) | Jul 08 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | full of Mormons or something | Jul 08 00:17 |
| MinceR | i remember back when every graphics app for dos mentioned suckage with the ATI Mach64 cards | Jul 08 00:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] 10th most hated company - #microsoft http://tinyurl.com/2877uxm is that really a surprise? #mvp #windows #vista #xp #apple #foss #linux | Jul 08 00:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | when you pull money out of the company coffers to fund the terrorism against minorities, I don't want your products | Jul 08 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | even if they are good products (which Nvidia's aren't" | Jul 08 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | As far as I can tell, ATI doesn't fund terrorism | Jul 08 00:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Get yourself a copy of Warzone 2100 for Linux! http://developer.wz2100.net/ Great stuff! | Jul 08 00:19 | |
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| MinceR | as far as i can tell, ATI doesn't make usable products | Jul 08 00:19 |
| cubezzz | thats not true | Jul 08 00:19 |
| MinceR | they make half a product | Jul 08 00:19 |
| MinceR | and call it a day | Jul 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia funds terrorists | Jul 08 00:19 |
| cubezzz | this 17 year old card still works :) | Jul 08 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't buy Nvidia products anymore | Jul 08 00:19 |
| cubezzz | ok, whatever, you're not listening to a thing I say anyways | Jul 08 00:20 |
| MinceR | so use a headless system with a serial terminal | Jul 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia funds the domestic terrorists | Jul 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | religious fundamentalist political causes | Jul 08 00:20 |
| MinceR | or start an ethical GPU company | Jul 08 00:20 |
| MinceR | and don't forget that GPUs also need drivers | Jul 08 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather be stranded on Windows than fund Nvidia | Jul 08 00:21 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: ATI doesn't make 17 year old cards. they made that card 17 years ago. :> | Jul 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is a lot of things, but they don't support the terrorists | Jul 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia does | Jul 08 00:21 |
| MinceR | i'd rather avoid ATI than be stranded on winblows. | Jul 08 00:21 |
| MinceR | m$ _are_ terrorists. | Jul 08 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | I meant the Prop 8-style terrorism | Jul 08 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft actually fought them in Washington state | Jul 08 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia funds them | Jul 08 00:22 |
| MinceR | m$ also ganged up with the republicans | Jul 08 00:22 |
| MinceR | and they also bribe obama | Jul 08 00:22 |
| cubezzz | well, I can compile my video driver | Jul 08 00:22 |
| MinceR | so can i | Jul 08 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | "terrorist - a radical who employs terror as a political weapon; usually organizes with other terrorists in small cells; often uses religion as a cover for terrorist activities" | Jul 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | one of them, anyway | Jul 08 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | so yes, Nvidia supports terrorism | Jul 08 00:23 |
| MinceR | it's also in the official kernel package | Jul 08 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | as far as that definition goes | Jul 08 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's easier to bully minorities for political purposes, a small minority with almost no voting bloc power is the optimal target | Jul 08 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not true | Jul 08 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | ati makes a very bare bones vga chipset | Jul 08 00:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | its basically a rage with no 3D hardware at all | Jul 08 00:25 |
| MinceR | yes, i'm sure "very bare bones vga chipsets" do just fine for 3d acceleration. | Jul 08 00:25 |
| MinceR | (which is what GPUs are about) | Jul 08 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, _no_ 3D hardware | Jul 08 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | Gallium LLVM :) | Jul 08 00:25 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: then what the fuck is that good for? | Jul 08 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | servers | Jul 08 00:25 |
| MinceR | yes, i'm sure the choice of the video card is important for servers | Jul 08 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | it is | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | it should use no electrical power, and basically not exist | Jul 08 00:26 |
| cubezzz | Sun had headless servers I seem to recall | Jul 08 00:26 |
| MinceR | if you leave the slot unused, that fulfills both criteria | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just enough to install windows with and not actually cost anything | Jul 08 00:26 |
| MinceR | and then go use a serial console | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its onboard | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you cant install windows with a serial console | Jul 08 00:26 |
| MinceR | why the fuck do you want to install windows on a server? | Jul 08 00:26 |
| MinceR | it's a _server_ | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | because people are fucktards | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | because people are fucktards | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | because people are fucktards | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | because people are fucktards | Jul 08 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | because people are fucktards | Jul 08 00:26 |
| MinceR | winblows doesn't belong there | Jul 08 00:27 |
| MinceR | fucktards don't deserve to operate servers | Jul 08 00:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | but they have money | Jul 08 00:27 |
| MinceR | also, i don't care what video card they use | Jul 08 00:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo | Jul 08 00:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | ati makes money | Jul 08 00:27 |
| MinceR | so does m$ | Jul 08 00:27 |
| MinceR | do we love them for it? | Jul 08 00:27 |
| MinceR | btw, intel does integrated vga too, but that one also manages to do some 3d acceleration | Jul 08 00:27 |
| MinceR | and it also happens to have drivers in the kernel | Jul 08 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | some of their northbridges have built in shit | Jul 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | they need to pass a law against how hot it is outside | Jul 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's not natural | Jul 08 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | and AMD is replacing their server northbridges with ones that have built in gpus | Jul 08 00:28 |
| cubezzz | btw if one wanted a video card without 3d, which one would one get? | Jul 08 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: ebay for $5. | Jul 08 00:28 |
| MinceR | for a server, even nvidia stuff +vesa driver will be sufficient | Jul 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | it's a lifestyle choice the sun and atmospheric conditions are forcing on Indiana citizens | Jul 08 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | nvidia has a really cut down chip too | Jul 08 00:28 |
| MinceR | (unless you're doing number crunching with GPUs obviously) | Jul 08 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | ati's just really happens to be a real 2D chipset | Jul 08 00:29 |
| MinceR | whoop-de-fucking-do | Jul 08 00:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: dude | Jul 08 00:29 |
| cubezzz | there's sometimes too much integration | Jul 08 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the new ATI 2D part of their Catalyst driver is good | Jul 08 00:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | go take your meds | Jul 08 00:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're being a dumbass again | Jul 08 00:29 |
| MinceR | nobody cares about 2d-only chipsets anymore | Jul 08 00:29 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: no, you are. | Jul 08 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | it solves more or less all of the Compiz bugs their old 2D code caused | Jul 08 00:29 |
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| MinceR | what does? | Jul 08 00:29 |
| cubezzz | is this kind of funny now | Jul 08 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | the new 2D architecture that's used by default in Catalyst 10.6 | Jul 08 00:30 |
| cubezzz | is it a full moon tonight? | Jul 08 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The old 2D architecture made turning Compiz on a catastrophe | Jul 08 00:30 |
| cubezzz | btw, I _never_ need a video card with 3d on a job | Jul 08 00:31 |
| cubezzz | ever | Jul 08 00:31 |
| MinceR | Fraction illuminated: 18.3% (at 01:27) | Jul 08 00:31 |
| MinceR | not full moon | Jul 08 00:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the cheapest vga chipset in existence, MinceR | Jul 08 00:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | people care. | Jul 08 00:32 |
| cubezzz | very informative :) | Jul 08 00:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | you may not, but there are enough people who do | Jul 08 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | what's odd is that Mandriva is still using Catalyst 10.4 in the 2010.1 RC2 | Jul 08 00:32 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: crappy code makes turning compiz on a catastrophe | Jul 08 00:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and since you're not buying them, ATI doesnt give a fuck what you think | Jul 08 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | but the Backports repo for 2010 has Catalyst 10.5 | Jul 08 00:32 |
| cubezzz | I've been buying ATI since the 80s | Jul 08 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The ATI drivers made it particularly catastrophic even for Compiz | Jul 08 00:32 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: by that logic, the company whose products nobody buys is the best one | Jul 08 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | does that clarify what I mean? | Jul 08 00:32 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: because they don't need to care about anyone's opinion | Jul 08 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 00:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News Reports About Microsoft’s Confirmation of Layoffs http://ur1.ca/0lfmb OK, so it's official now | Jul 08 00:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz News Reports About Microsoft’s Confirmation of Layoffs http://ur1.ca/0lfmb OK, so it's official now | Jul 08 00:33 | |
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| *Diablo-D3 buys stock in BeOS, inc | Jul 08 00:33 | |
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| cubezzz | heh | Jul 08 00:33 |
| MinceR | you're late with that | Jul 08 00:33 |
| MinceR | access already did, iirc | Jul 08 00:33 |
| MinceR | all of it | Jul 08 00:33 |
| MinceR | (if it was them, i'm not sure) | Jul 08 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | Haiku might end up being a success | Jul 08 00:33 |
| MinceR | haiku will first have to mature into being a unix | Jul 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | It certainly has a better chance than ReactOS | Jul 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | from being a toy | Jul 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | which ReactOS already has more of a chance than HURD | Jul 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | that's not a high bar there | Jul 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | reactos is pointless | Jul 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | so Hailku is like 10 times more likely than HURD to be a success | Jul 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | at least there's a point to hurd, unlike reactos or haiku | Jul 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | but i doubt you'd understand | Jul 08 00:34 |
| cubezzz | wow, if I used Hurd and ATI I'd be really offended | Jul 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | to disable even more of your computer than Linux does? | Jul 08 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 00:34 |
| MinceR | see, that's why i didn't think you'd understand | Jul 08 00:35 |
| MinceR | words like "microkernel" are just technobabble to you | Jul 08 00:35 |
| MinceR | go back to your winblows and leave us be | Jul 08 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | microkernels must be unwieldy or else people would actually use them | Jul 08 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Monolithic-ish kernels are in use on probably 99.999% of desktop PCs | Jul 08 00:35 |
| MinceR | yes, and really wimpy developers just dismiss it because it's difficult to do | Jul 08 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | when you could that Windows, Mac, and Linux all count | Jul 08 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | so do the BSDs | Jul 08 00:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] One last observation for tonight....I really don't like Three Counties Radio having music instead of talk... can the #bbc sort it please? | Jul 08 00:36 | |
| DaemonFC | and Solaris even :D | Jul 08 00:36 |
| MinceR | by that reasoning, there shouldn't be any multitasking OS-es either | Jul 08 00:36 |
| MinceR | because at some point they weren't around | Jul 08 00:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | MICROKERNEL, when having a small dick wasnt enough | Jul 08 00:36 |
| MinceR | say no to progress, keep using winblows | Jul 08 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | seems like it's a tradeoff between having something that works right now vs. waiting another 26 years, in theory | Jul 08 00:36 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: you're being insightful as usual | Jul 08 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | for something that might work | Jul 08 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | some day | Jul 08 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | you guess | Jul 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and your answer would be "don't try anything ever because it might fail or it might take a lot of time" | Jul 08 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason HURD is still technically in development is ego | Jul 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i wonder why you're using an OS at all | Jul 08 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | the FSF kills off lots of stuff that are still theoretically worked on | Jul 08 00:37 |
| cubezzz | heh | Jul 08 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | he doesnt | Jul 08 00:37 |
| MinceR | seeing how the first computers didn't have them | Jul 08 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | he trolls on irc through force of will | Jul 08 00:37 |
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| MinceR | right, he doesn't use an OS | Jul 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | he uses winblows | Jul 08 00:38 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure DaemonFC-OS will be brilliant | Jul 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | there will be no DaemonFC-OS | Jul 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | because it might be something of a challenge to develop | Jul 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | and wouldn't just appear instantly out of nothing | Jul 08 00:38 |
| MinceR | and we can't have that, now can we? | Jul 08 00:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, DaemonFC-OS is a work in progress | Jul 08 00:39 |
| DaemonFC | it counts as a work in progress even if no actual work is done on it | Jul 08 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | so it satisfies the FSF definition of in progress | Jul 08 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | and one day at an unspecified point in time, everyone could conceivably be using it | Jul 08 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | and loving it | Jul 08 00:41 |
| MinceR | do you even know what it will be? | Jul 08 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | I have about as much of an idea as I have to for it to qualfy, apparentlky | Jul 08 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It could be truly EPIC | Jul 08 00:41 |
| MinceR | then again, if you believe it to be on equal footing with hurd, it must already be in the state that it can be booted and ran | Jul 08 00:41 |
| MinceR | so where is it? | Jul 08 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | you can boot it and run it | Jul 08 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | just not on YOUR crappy hardware | Jul 08 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | use your imagination | Jul 08 00:42 |
| MinceR | my imagination tells me that it's crap | Jul 08 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's whatever your imagination wants it to be | Jul 08 00:42 |
| MinceR | and that it fails to boot because there's not even one bit of executable code | Jul 08 00:42 |
| MinceR | yeah, that's why vaporware sucks | Jul 08 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsgQcQbUG2M | Jul 08 00:43 |
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| DaemonFC | RMS productions | Jul 08 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 08 00:43 |
| DaemonFC | song dedicated to HURD | Jul 08 00:43 |
| MinceR | at least i did code an OS once | Jul 08 00:43 |
| MinceR | it didn't do much, but it did the prime function of windows and it did that much faster than any version of windows | Jul 08 00:44 |
| MinceR | though its installer didn't crash, unlike that of winxp | Jul 08 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | putting out a "free" OS is as good as smoking crack and pretending there's a functional PC in front of you if 99% of the hardware out there isn't recognized | Jul 08 00:44 |
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| MinceR | it's better than fantasizing about an OS that doesn't exist at all | Jul 08 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If 99% of the public couldn't use it even if they wanted to, then 99% of the public won't even try to | Jul 08 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's just a pragmatic outlook | Jul 08 00:45 |
| MinceR | especially when the one doing the fantasizing has no idea about how OS-es even work | Jul 08 00:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: which OS are you talking about? | Jul 08 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's cheaper | Jul 08 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have to import a niche PC from China because it's apparently the only thing it runs on | Jul 08 00:46 |
| MinceR | then why do you import niche hardware from china? | Jul 08 00:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, How many people do you expect will use something more complicated than Deploy > It "Just Works" > The End? | Jul 08 00:47 |
| MinceR | and half-complete products from china? | Jul 08 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | not a lot | Jul 08 00:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: how many OS-es are there that Just Work? | Jul 08 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu at least makes this the stated goal | Jul 08 00:47 |
| MinceR | hint: 0 | Jul 08 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | even if they make the wrong choices | Jul 08 00:47 |
| DaemonFC | Hint: Don't ship drivers that are 5 versions old where the new ones have corrected thousands of bugs and perform better | Jul 08 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | and tell me it "Just Works" | Jul 08 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm talking to you, jono :) | Jul 08 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | They claim they 'Can't support proprietary drivers" anyway, so what's wrong with giving you the latest ones? | Jul 08 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | There "It may blow up and we won't listen to you cause we can't fix it" disclaimer would still be in effect | Jul 08 00:49 |
| MinceR | perhaps they're looking for the relatively lucid moments of the ATI driver developers? | Jul 08 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | although it may just so happen to work better | Jul 08 00:50 |
| MinceR | picking out the drivers that don't blow up so hard? | Jul 08 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | 10.6 was a relatively lucid moment | Jul 08 00:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I have just gotten sound out of Rosegarden. ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO ME. | Jul 08 00:50 | |
| DaemonFC | Catalyst 10.4 was one of the "smoking crack" releases | Jul 08 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's what Ubuntu gives you | Jul 08 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | 10.4 manages to have many regressions over even 10.2 or 10.3 | Jul 08 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | 10.6 is the first release that's budged even an inch in the right direction in over a year | Jul 08 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | and they ignore it :) | Jul 08 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | and your system breaks if you install it according to directions | Jul 08 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Jul 08 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu even lobotomizes Compiz to defer to old Catalyst bugs that are fixed in newer drivers | Jul 08 00:52 |
| DaemonFC | not that it works well, even then | Jul 08 00:53 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] RT @toros #WebUpd8: !Chromium Web Apps Come To Linux Too http://is.gd/djiKl | Jul 08 00:53 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] RT @schestowitz News Reports About Microsoft’s Confirmation of Layoffs http://ur1.ca/0lfmb OK, so it's official now | Jul 08 00:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | telling a user that you haven't put it through the 1000-point quality inspection and they proceed at their own risk is better than telling them they just can't do it | Jul 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | that's my opinion anyway | Jul 08 00:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody typo in http://opendotdotdot.blogspot.com/2010/07/exploring-entitlement-economics.html "sotware" | Jul 08 00:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | that's where I get pissed | Jul 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | it "might not work" therefore I'm not allowed to try | Jul 08 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | that seems to be Ubuntu's position | Jul 08 00:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, good night all.... Early start in the morning. | Jul 08 00:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | (even though they already said THEIR version may not work) | Jul 08 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's ludicrous | Jul 08 00:56 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] They want to make avoidance of GM foods a MENTAL ILLNESS - http://ur1.ca/0lfsj | Jul 08 00:58 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Jul 08 01:04 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I need firebug for firefox4beta #firefox4beta #ff4 #firebug | Jul 08 01:06 | |
| tessier | Just had a nice little earthquake here. | Jul 08 01:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Investigative journalism is dying New evidence that news/opinion sites rent themselves to corporate interests http://ur1.ca/0lfv1 | Jul 08 01:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | tessier, I seem to get a 2 pointer about every day | Jul 08 01:09 |
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| DaemonFC | for some reason, both neighbors like to run their washer at the same time | Jul 08 01:09 |
| tessier | And their washers are stressing the tectonic plates causing earthquakes? | Jul 08 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | the house anyway | Jul 08 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | Washerquake | Jul 08 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | of course you'd think with the Deaddite lady downstairs, her statutory rapist son, the girl he impregnated, the baby, and his brother downstairs, and the bipolar schizoid lady with her convicted rapist boyfriend next door, that I'd have more complaints about living here | Jul 08 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | collectively, I call them the Legion of Doom | Jul 08 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think they'd pester me with more than their washing machines | Jul 08 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | but the landlord already threatened to throw them out if they didn't stop blasting their stereo | Jul 08 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | Do I live in a trailer park? No, it's technically a house. | Jul 08 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | And my rent is higher | Jul 08 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | and it was never this bad before the economy went to hell and the landlord became desperate for renters | Jul 08 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of empty apartments out there and the landlords are starting to not even care who they rent to, if they are employed, what they do to damage the apartment, etc. | Jul 08 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | half the people living in this building are not even on the lease | Jul 08 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | the Sheriff is incompetent | Jul 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | he allowed that guy living downstairs to register on the sex offender's list half a block down from the Boys and Girls club | Jul 08 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | and the son of a bitch landlord made ME pay $200 more deposit for having a well-behaved cat | Jul 08 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | yes, an ANIMAL | Jul 08 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | who has managed to do no damage to the place | Jul 08 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | while half the humans living here (I use the word loosely) are not even paying rent | Jul 08 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | apparently the guy downstairs has a job, but he hasn't put one down on his offender registration | Jul 08 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | Liberals don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter what the law is because (1) Criminals don't care and (2) The law might not even be enforced | Jul 08 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | 1 or 2 things happens with laws, either they aren't enforced, or criminals sit back and find all the loopholes anyway, or so it appears to me | Jul 08 01:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] @_Goblin Microsoft? Layoffs? Nah, they wouldn't do that! | Jul 08 01:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Free Software: Technically and Ethically Better http://techrights.org/2010/07/07/anti-crowdsourcing/ | Jul 08 01:37 | |
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| DaemonFC | I sent an email to the sheriff | Jul 08 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 01:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @openuniverse that's not as bad as putting hillary rosen of riaa on staff/editors/w/e - that killed huffpo for me! > wow! | Jul 08 01:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | like Khan from King of the Hill said | Jul 08 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | "Let nature and parole officers take care of them" | Jul 08 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | I already told that guy downstairs that if he breaks into my apartment, I'll shoot him as an intruder in my home | Jul 08 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 08 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | he broke into the neighbor's apartment but he's left mine alone | Jul 08 01:41 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: 200 dollars to cover carpet cleaning? | Jul 08 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | there is no carpet | Jul 08 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Ie do you have carpet? | Jul 08 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea what he was expecting the cat to damage | Jul 08 01:43 |
| oiaohm | No provide funture that would need cleaning. | Jul 08 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jul 08 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Cat de clawed? | Jul 08 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jul 08 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | and neutered | Jul 08 01:44 |
| oiaohm | God | Jul 08 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Only possible though is trippign hazard. | Jul 08 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie you trip on cat put head in wall. | Jul 08 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 08 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | he should make the deadite lady downstairs get her son neutered | Jul 08 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | as a condition of living here | Jul 08 01:44 |
| DaemonFC | I can tell he only puts up his his "girlfriend" because he doesn't want to have to pay child support | Jul 08 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Carpets I can understand the 200 dollars. | Jul 08 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | he mistreats his child | Jul 08 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | Baby: "Waaah Waah Waaaaaaah!" | Jul 08 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Insane question does he charge 200 dollars for a goldfish. | Jul 08 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | Him: "SHUT THE F*** UP!!! JESUS CHRIST!!!!" | Jul 08 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | *throw something at the wall* | Jul 08 01:46 |
| oiaohm | I have to get going | Jul 08 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | I already told the landlord I'm not far from moving out | Jul 08 01:47 |
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| DaemonFC | that's when he finalyl did something about the stereo noise | Jul 08 01:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Spurned Researcher Collective Created to Revolt Against Microsoft’s Abuse of Security Researchers http://ur1.ca/0lg3z | Jul 08 01:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1_____enUS386US386&q=sigma+sw40ve&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=15891676259437883054&ei=YCA1TPy7NIXbnAeE-LXlAw&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQ8wIwAA# | Jul 08 01:53 |
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| DaemonFC | local gun shop has a sale on these right now | Jul 08 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | $50 rebate or two free magazines | Jul 08 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003H1O1EA/ref=ox_ya_os_product | Jul 08 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 08 02:18 |
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| *DaemonFC bought one just now | Jul 08 02:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] ISO/IEC JTC1 Revises Directives, Addresses OOXML Abuses http://goo.gl/fb/YMQwk | Jul 08 02:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | I just bought a new 26" baton | Jul 08 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | if I get attacked by the guy downstairs, I'm going to do a little unskilled dental work on him B-) | Jul 08 03:10 |
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| peon-dev | Elluminate just got bought out by blackboard. Today, at around 2:00pm MST | Jul 08 03:15 |
| peon-dev | Their site has changed front page to reflect this | Jul 08 03:15 |
| peon-dev | backboard's | Jul 08 03:15 |
| peon-dev | I don't have high expectations for how this is going to end. Another Embrace, Extend, Extinguish perhaps. | Jul 08 03:17 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: http://maketecheasier.com/4-linux-games-you-probably-have-not-played/2010/07/07 | Jul 08 03:19 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | dvdjimmy | Jul 08 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | 2 days ago 11 | Jul 08 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Kurt Cobain Died In 1994 | Jul 08 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | Justin Bieber Born In 1994 | Jul 08 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | WHY GOD ?!?!?!?!? | Jul 08 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | WHY?!?!?!?!?!? | Jul 08 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 08 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | In all fairness, at least Justin Bieber is the closest thing to Kurt Cobain that Canada has produced | Jul 08 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | they're getting better | Jul 08 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, You're Canadian right? Care to take a stab at it? | Jul 08 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's like the sword in the stone | Jul 08 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | The Canadians jsut can't do it | Jul 08 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | all they've given us is Justin Bieber and Celine Dion | Jul 08 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | seriously, the only thing that will make Justin Bieber any more contemptible is when he announces that he's wearing a purity ring so Walmart won't feel he's too iffy to carry | Jul 08 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Release the robotic Richard Simmons! | Jul 08 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 08 03:44 |
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| DaemonFC | that guy downstairs is only about 5' 11" | Jul 08 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | I could probably crack his skull open with a 45 degree strike | Jul 08 04:08 |
| *DaemonFC might train with a watermelon or something | Jul 08 04:08 | |
| DaemonFC | like one day while he's out there | Jul 08 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 04:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Check this video out -- BP Spills Coffee http://youtu.be/2AAa0gd7ClM | Jul 08 04:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I'm replacing the 21" with a 26" | Jul 08 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | I already have a full utility belt that can carry a holstered handgun, a hunting knife, a retractable baton, and pepper spray B-) | Jul 08 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | I get looks if I wear that | Jul 08 04:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Check this video out -- طفلة يابانية تتلو القرآن الكريم http://youtu.be/mNIoxS60cW4 | Jul 08 04:16 | |
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| oiaohm | So no sword belt. DaemonFC | Jul 08 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | I have a cane/sword | Jul 08 04:31 |
| oiaohm | I have the designs to make sword belts. | Jul 08 04:31 |
| oiaohm | You take them off they tighten up and become a sword. | Jul 08 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's easier to call a baton "reasonable force" than it is to call a sword "reasonable force" | Jul 08 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | so a sword doesn't make for a practical defense weapon | Jul 08 04:31 |
| oiaohm | Blunt sword belt is basically a batton. | Jul 08 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | remember, issue 1 is getting your attacker taken care of | Jul 08 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | issue 2 is staying out of legal trouble for using too much force | Jul 08 04:32 |
| oiaohm | Reach is the issue. | Jul 08 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | my understanding of Indiana law is that you're pretty much always considered to have used reasonable force if someone broke into your home | Jul 08 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | but the law is slightly less forgiving outside your home | Jul 08 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | like, it's 3 AM and someone breaks down my door, so I shoot them | Jul 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's OK | Jul 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | but if someone outside starts threatening me and I shoot them, it's probably not OK | Jul 08 04:34 |
| oiaohm | First time had one of the sword belts a police officer told me I had a cool looking belt. | Jul 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | unless they're coming at me with a knife or gun | Jul 08 04:34 |
| oiaohm | Until he worked out is was not just a belt. | Jul 08 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The idea is, that first I would try to pepper spray them, then if that didn't work, I'd bust out the baton | Jul 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 04:35 |
| oiaohm | Techically is not a consiled weapon. | Jul 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | the handgun is pretty much the last resort | Jul 08 04:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie the belt is in plan view the full time. | Jul 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana law says you may conceal a baton | Jul 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | but you may not take one into a public building | Jul 08 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | like, if I went into the library | Jul 08 04:36 |
| oiaohm | Now I am not saying don't carry a baton or something else. | Jul 08 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | but I could take it into Walmart | Jul 08 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | tell me how that makes sense? | Jul 08 04:36 |
| oiaohm | But if you have a weapon on display and someone stupidally takes you on and you do use a little too much force. | Jul 08 04:36 |
| oiaohm | They should have seen that event coming. | Jul 08 04:36 |
| oiaohm | I either have a sword belt on display or a walking stick. | Jul 08 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://legalselfdefense.blogspot.com/2008/08/indiana.html | Jul 08 04:37 |
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| oiaohm | Or a strong unbrella. | Jul 08 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | brass knuckles are legal in Indiana | Jul 08 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Don't underestmate the damage an unbrella can do. | Jul 08 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I would imagine getting hit in the jaw by a guy wearing brass knuckles would leave a booboo | Jul 08 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 08 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Brass kunckles are more often than not uselss. | Jul 08 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Reason person wearing rings hits first and does not have to draw it. | Jul 08 04:39 |
| oiaohm | I have seen some weding rings do real damage to crims. | Jul 08 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana law gives civilians some limited policing powers, oiaohm | Jul 08 04:39 |
| oiaohm | Nice sized diamond is really good a jaw breaking. | Jul 08 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | I can arrest someone if I see them commit a felony | Jul 08 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | and I can use force to effect the arrest | Jul 08 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Most dangous weapon I know for stoping crims is high heals. | Jul 08 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | the law protects me from being sued in that case | Jul 08 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | high heels? | Jul 08 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | huh? | Jul 08 04:40 |
| oiaohm | I have seen them stomped threw crims foot. | Jul 08 04:41 |
| oiaohm | I have see them kicked threw crims kness. | Jul 08 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Even a case of male with high heal threw privates. | Jul 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | (d) A person who uses a stun gun on a law enforcement officer while the officer is performing the officer's duties commits a Class D felony. | Jul 08 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 08 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | IC 35-41-3-3 | Jul 08 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | Sec. 3. | Jul 08 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | (a) A person other than a law enforcement officer is justified in using reasonable force against another person to effect an arrest or prevent the other person's escape if: | Jul 08 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | (1) a felony has been committed; and | Jul 08 04:42 |
| oiaohm | Basically woman wearing high heals with small point stay well clear. | Jul 08 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | (2) there is probable cause to believe the other person committed that felony. | Jul 08 04:42 |
| oiaohm | They are armed | Jul 08 04:42 |
| oiaohm | Question is do they know how to use it. | Jul 08 04:43 |
| oiaohm | I do have a walking stick with under 1 cm end. | Jul 08 04:43 |
| oiaohm | That thing is purely designed to kill. | Jul 08 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The funny thing about a Class D Felony is that the sentencing is pretty much the same as a Class A Misdemeanor, except you go to prison instead of jail, and you get all the restrictions of a person convicted of a felony | Jul 08 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | ie. no guns, no voting, etc. | Jul 08 04:44 |
| oiaohm | Thing here crims have to vote. | Jul 08 04:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes really stupid in jail and they have to vote. | Jul 08 04:44 |
| oiaohm | At one point most of our poplutation was x crims. | Jul 08 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | anyone convicted of a felony here is permanently disqualified from voting or holding a gun permit | Jul 08 04:45 |
| oiaohm | felony no guns. | Jul 08 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | unless they appeal that to the court or are pardoned by the governor | Jul 08 04:46 |
| oiaohm | But voting is required. | Jul 08 04:46 |
| oiaohm | Failing to vote while on prole is a big enough offence to get you throw back in jail. | Jul 08 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | it can happen that an appeal or a commutation/pardon will get you those back | Jul 08 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | but it doesn't happen often | Jul 08 04:46 |
| oiaohm | You are not like here. | Jul 08 04:47 |
| oiaohm | Not voting here is a crime. | Jul 08 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | a felony conviction also disqualifies you from subsidized housing for life | Jul 08 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | and food stamps | Jul 08 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | and federal tuition grants | Jul 08 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | in other words, Felonies are not a joke | Jul 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | ever | Jul 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | Misdemeanors can be | Jul 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, You can vote after a felony conviction, but you have to move to a state that doesn't ban felons from voting | Jul 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | and there are only a few of them | Jul 08 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | federal felony disqualifies you no matter where you live | Jul 08 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana law usually lowers a Class D Felony to a Class A Misdemeanor if you've never been in trouble before | Jul 08 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | but that's only if the crime was not violent or a sec crime | Jul 08 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | *sex | Jul 08 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The state attorney general was pissed because they did a prescription drug sting operation in Huntington county a few months ago | Jul 08 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of them got misdemeanor sentencing because it was their first conviction | Jul 08 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like spending millions of tax dollars to put most of the people you nab away in county jail for 6-12 months | Jul 08 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana also lets you ask the court to expunge your record if you only have one misdemeanor | Jul 08 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | so technically, when they get out they could petition the court for an expungement | Jul 08 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | and after that, there's no public record | Jul 08 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | most of them probably aren't that bright | Jul 08 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Why would they ban throwing stars? | Jul 08 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | those are a fairly impractical weapon | Jul 08 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Throwing stars no treatments I would give you that. | Jul 08 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Posioned throwing stars are quite effective. | Jul 08 04:59 |
| oiaohm | A good person with throwing stars can do 100 meters to a ornage very depend. | Jul 08 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Indiana's bill of rights bans the use of prison on debtors | Jul 08 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | in Minnesota, it's not uncommon to be thrown in jail for a few days over debts | Jul 08 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | Minnesota has the most anti-consumer laws of any state | Jul 08 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | it also requires a vote by the general assembly before the governor can declare martial law | Jul 08 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 08 05:06 |
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| DaemonFC | "Section 32. The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State." | Jul 08 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | there's some good stuff in here | Jul 08 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wijlLEriWYg | Jul 08 05:30 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 08 05:30 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Barium is bad when they want to tax electronics but not bad when they spray us with it via chemtrails - http://ur1.ca/0lhwn | Jul 08 05:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | I agree with Lewis Black | Jul 08 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | Cadmium is the healthiest thing they sell at McDonalds :) | Jul 08 05:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Severed Fifth Android App in the works! http://soc.li/ky6Mh0f #severedfifth | Jul 08 05:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] BBC - dot.Rory: The £105m website - How much of tax payers money does the BBC site cost? Pot calling kettle! http://tinyurl.com/2wjk3ks | Jul 08 05:47 | |
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| *DaemonFC sends jono a DMCA take-down notice | Jul 08 06:10 | |
| *DaemonFC has a good faith belief that he invented music | Jul 08 06:10 | |
| *DaemonFC also has a good faith belief that Jono Bacon is infringing on his Intellectual Property | Jul 08 06:11 | |
| *DaemonFC requires jono to prove otherwise | Jul 08 06:11 | |
| *DaemonFC isn't real suer how this internet thing works but heard it's like a series of tubes for porn and warez | Jul 08 06:13 | |
| *DaemonFC introduces a bill to shut it down | Jul 08 06:13 | |
| DaemonFC | x264 makes some good blu ray rips | Jul 08 06:44 |
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| DaemonFC | barely any point in mowing the lawn this week | Jul 08 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's been hotter than hell and the lawn is dying faster than it's growing :) | Jul 08 07:04 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell GroupWise is Being Dumped by Colorado and by Rentokil http://ur1.ca/0lj6l #groupwise #vmware | Jul 08 08:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Act Now on ACTA - http://bit.ly/aI1YSP you only have an hour or so to convince your MEPs to sign WD 12/2010 #eu #acta | Jul 08 09:27 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jul 08 09:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft ’s Courtois Uses the “Religious” Slur to Denounce Freedom Goals and Sell Fog Computing http://ur1.ca/0ljze #mono #gpl #opencore | Jul 08 09:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 09:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @ raycorrigan Icelandic Modern Media Initiative http://immi.is/ was endorsed by EU parliament yesterday>>hopeful sign #iceland #immi | Jul 08 10:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Software Patents Not a Done Deal in New Zealand, Mozilla Weighs in http://ur1.ca/0lk2h #swpats | Jul 08 10:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sea otters worth $700 million in carbon credits - http://bit.ly/dsHYwl fascinating logic #carboncredits #otters | Jul 08 10:07 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-07-07-020-35-NW-DT-MS-0000 | Jul 08 10:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 08 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | Roy's article is very accurate, specially the part about the relative role of the political parties. | Jul 08 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Since I live in São Paulo, I concluded a while ago that Linux must win despite such schemes -- and maybe because of those scheme. | Jul 08 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Though the state government has been disappointing, at federal level things are amazing. We have a new Digital TV standard (based on the Japanese one) and all decoders/settop boxes run Linux. | Jul 08 10:07 |
| schestowitz | One of them (which I have), besides showing TV content, works like a thin client and can show a KDE VPN session. Software updates are done with tgz archives downloaded from the internet! Very cool... | Jul 08 10:07 |
| schestowitz | For the government problem, the only solution is to require public communication through standard formats. This is not something one guy can do; but user associations can pull it and pressure the government to make it show less obsession toward a single company. | Jul 08 10:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 08 10:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Parliament calls for EU ban on cloning for food - http://bit.ly/cV0Mv8 another clash with the European Commission #cloning #eu | Jul 08 10:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] War of the Nerds: The Battle Over Wikileaks - http://bit.ly/bii2sF call me naive, but seems pretty clear that Lamo is in the wrong here | Jul 08 10:12 | |
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| oiaohm | Saw the google censor plan? schestowitz | Jul 08 10:12 |
| schestowitz | I think | Jul 08 10:13 |
| schestowitz | China? | Jul 08 10:13 |
| oiaohm | http://industry.bnet.com/technology/10009457/why-googles-nascent-plan-to-nab-unlicensed-music-on-youtube-wont-fly/ | Jul 08 10:13 |
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| oiaohm | Yes this person does not get copy right. | Jul 08 10:13 |
| oiaohm | Just because you have the legal right to distrub something does not mean once you upload it to google they have the right to pass it on. | Jul 08 10:14 |
| MinceR | he gets it wrong instead. :> | Jul 08 10:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] EMC takes over Greenplum - http://bit.ly/csYaTV interesting move for the #PostgreSQL ecosystem #opensource | Jul 08 10:15 | |
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| oiaohm | So google shut down not approved music is not techically a problem. | Jul 08 10:15 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, Opera Mini gives me snapfish.no | Jul 08 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | because the site sees that I'm going through Opera's accelerating proxy and assumes I'm in Norway | Jul 08 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 08 10:17 |
| oiaohm | That was the other problem banks have with Opera the other day I could not remember. | Jul 08 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Blocking back tracking. | Jul 08 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, there's 31" batons on Amazon | Jul 08 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that counterproductive? | Jul 08 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, the entire point of the baton is to maximize the force concentrated on the other end, right? | Jul 08 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | isn't there a point where the center of gravity is all wrong and it actually causes a weaker blow? | Jul 08 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 10:19 |
| MinceR | perhaps it stores more momentum | Jul 08 10:20 |
| MinceR | it also has a greater reach | Jul 08 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: anything much beyond two feet seems excessive to me | Jul 08 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason | Jul 08 10:20 |
| MinceR | also, if it's long enough, you can wield it with two hands (but i doubt it's called a baton then) | Jul 08 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There's only really one effective way to use the baton anyway | Jul 08 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | treat it like a whip | Jul 08 10:21 |
| MinceR | besides, amazon's goal is to sell stuff, not to make sure it's all effective | Jul 08 10:21 |
| MinceR | if people buy it, they've succeeded | Jul 08 10:21 |
| MinceR | well, whips are longer than that | Jul 08 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a baseball bat | Jul 08 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | people try to use it like one, but that's not how you get the maximum effect | Jul 08 10:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 08 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | over the shoulder | Jul 08 10:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ISO/IEC JTC1 Revises Directives, Addresses OOXML Abuses - http://bit.ly/cufpYE barn-door, horse etc #ooxml #iso | Jul 08 10:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | aim for their upper arm, neck, or head | Jul 08 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | and give it hell, but then pull it back to you quickly and hit them again if they're still a threat | Jul 08 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | (if they are, you've botched the first hit) | Jul 08 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | if they're still standing, I'd cross my other shoulder then whip it back and hit the other side of their head | Jul 08 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | that should finish them | Jul 08 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps even permanently | Jul 08 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I've noticed that some people take things for granted | Jul 08 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | like the ability to chew solid food | Jul 08 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 10:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 08 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | now, the idiot downstairs is only about 5' 11" | Jul 08 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | so I could probably aim straight down and whack him over the head with that thing | Jul 08 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, he only comes up to roughly my shoulder | Jul 08 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | How's the weather down there? *crack* | Jul 08 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 10:28 |
| *DaemonFC likes being taller than most people | Jul 08 10:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Heat wave air conditioners of doom - http://bit.ly/cvohWc strange: I was thinking exactly the same thing yesterday #energy | Jul 08 10:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: a two-handed baton? they do make those, they're called baseball bats | Jul 08 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm not trying to win the world series | Jul 08 10:30 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 08 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to crack some wigger skull | Jul 08 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 08 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Wigger = White person that has their jeans belted around their knees and their underwear hiked up over their shirt | Jul 08 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | listens to rap | Jul 08 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 08 10:31 |
| MinceR | i know what a wigger is | Jul 08 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Jul 08 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | do you have those? | Jul 08 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 10:31 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 08 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 08 10:31 |
| MinceR | but i do have Internet access :> | Jul 08 10:31 |
| *DaemonFC might learn Hungarian | Jul 08 10:32 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | claim that he's MinceR's long lost ethnic Hungarian something or other | Jul 08 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have Wiggers, it's the land of milk and honey | Jul 08 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | and the streets are paved with gold? | Jul 08 10:32 |
| MinceR | that law really got your imagination going | Jul 08 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Most people who call me racist totally don't understand where I'm coming from | Jul 08 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not a racist | Jul 08 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'm opposed to generic dumbasses | Jul 08 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 10:33 |
| MinceR | i hate the human species in general | Jul 08 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | they're not all bad | Jul 08 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | only most of them | Jul 08 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | I like to think of it as guilty until proven intelligent | Jul 08 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Then there are people who are intelligent and clueless about the world around them anyway | Jul 08 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | take schestowitz for example | Jul 08 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | now, I'm not trying to be mean | Jul 08 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | but drop his ass off in downtown Detroit | Jul 08 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | and let them shoot him for his shoelaces | Jul 08 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | and he'll see what I'm talking about | Jul 08 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | Detroit is one giant demilitarized zone | Jul 08 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | there are no laws there | Jul 08 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 08 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz also doesn't understand how the police work here | Jul 08 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | you call and tell them you're being murdered, and they'll show up in 20 minutes | Jul 08 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | Jul 08 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 08 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | it's gotten so bad that the police in some counties are telling citizens to arm themselves because the sheriff only has the budget to dedicate one patrol car to the whole county | Jul 08 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: You want to know what's nuts? | Jul 08 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | the sheriff's office won't respond to trouble calls even though their headquarters is about 100 feet from my house | Jul 08 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | because that's the city police's problem | Jul 08 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | and they're on the other side of town | Jul 08 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | so if someone's beating down my door I'd better hope the police can make it here in the next 10-15 minutes | Jul 08 10:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] OOXML Aftermath: Rule changes. One can see thjs as admitting the process of OOXML standardisation was flawed. http://is.gd/djMJ7 #uhohxml | Jul 08 10:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] one of my MEPs (Claude Moraes) says he will sign the Written Declaration: kudos. You still have 20' to write to yours - http://bit.ly/aI1YSP | Jul 08 10:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | so I had someone trying to beat down my door one day and I somehow managed to call the Sheriff's department instead of the local police, and this dispatcher is stuffing her face with something and telling me to calm down and call the local police | Jul 08 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | in the mean time, *BAM BAM BAM* "Open the door mother f******!!! I know you're in there!!!" | Jul 08 10:43 |
| MinceR | use a gun | Jul 08 10:44 |
| MinceR | at least they let you do that in Jesusland | Jul 08 10:44 |
| MinceR | not here | Jul 08 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | I told him I was pointing a gun at the door and he better hope he didn't get in | Jul 08 10:44 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 08 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | technically, shooting through the door makes it not self-defense | Jul 08 10:45 |
| MinceR | pft | Jul 08 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only reason I didn't | Jul 08 10:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Patent Bullies Roundup: #IntellectualVentures , #NetApp , and HP's 'Donation' http://ur1.ca/0lkdm #swpats #patents | Jul 08 10:45 | |
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| DaemonFC | I told my landlord that he better get that guy downstairs under control unless he wanted me to shoot the guy eventually | Jul 08 10:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Slide 25 on OS/FS Security: "In God We Trust; From Everyone Else,We Need Source Code." - so right. http://is.gd/djMW0 | Jul 08 10:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | he just kind of blew me off, so next time I came in to pay my rent, I was wearing one of my handguns | Jul 08 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | took it out of the holster and described it for him :) | Jul 08 10:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 08 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | the big advantage of it being your word vs a corpse | Jul 08 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | only one person knows what happened | Jul 08 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | and only one side of the story gets told | Jul 08 10:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Best Year EVER For UK Digital Music Singles - http://bit.ly/aIPVrV repeal #DEAct now (via @remixtures) #music | Jul 08 10:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | "He's coming right for me!!" | Jul 08 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 10:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 08 10:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] BT and TalkTalk challenge Digital Economy Act - http://bit.ly/ceQ2PG why does UK gov parrot industry's inflated "£400m" figure? #deact | Jul 08 10:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: Some people have said that the Mexican drug cartels are arming themselves in the US and taking the weapons back to Mexico | Jul 08 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | right..... | Jul 08 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see where I can get fully automatic AK-47s in quantity, hand grenades in quantity, RPGs in quantity, etc. here | Jul 08 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | I really would ;) | Jul 08 10:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How to Get Politicians to Admit in Public That the Drug War Has Been a Complete Failure - http://bit.ly/9aR89s we must do it somehow #drugs | Jul 08 10:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | if it was only so easy to evict the squidbillies down there | Jul 08 10:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 08 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | Open, Frag, and Clear | Jul 08 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 08 10:55 |
| MinceR | squarepants? | Jul 08 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | the deadite lady and her offspring | Jul 08 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | that girl that guy impregnated is ugly as sin | Jul 08 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | big, fat, white trashy | Jul 08 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | chain smoker | Jul 08 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | things that make you go "bleeeeeegh!!!!" | Jul 08 10:56 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, he's not ugly as sin, just dumb as a brick | Jul 08 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 10:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] EU Top Court Tells Monsanto It Can't Abuse Patent Law To Stop Import Of Argentinian Soymeal - http://bit.ly/b9vORg good summary #monsanto | Jul 08 10:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | I guess this is what they mean when they talk about overlooking flaws | Jul 08 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | but if his girlfriend gains about 3 more pounds, she'll be live via satellite on Jerry Springer | Jul 08 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'm surprised he managed to impregnate her, honestly | Jul 08 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | I mean with all the dozens of fat folds acting as decoys, that's impressive | Jul 08 11:00 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard about Hide The Salami, but this is more like Canary in the Coal Mine | Jul 08 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 08 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: My brother had a "test day" at school, so one of the notes was "eat a good breakfast | Jul 08 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | the teacher asked him what he had | Jul 08 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | he said orange danish and coffee | Jul 08 11:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] IBM, EU Create Research Consortium For Open Source - http://bit.ly/8XudYH "Artifact-Centric Service Interoperation": not v. catchy, is it? | Jul 08 11:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | she was like "Orange danish and coffee?" like he had grown a third eye or something | Jul 08 11:03 |
| MinceR | orange you glad it's danish? | Jul 08 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | so I butted in and said "Yeah, he usually has beer and pretzels, but we heard this was a special occasion" | Jul 08 11:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 11:04 |
| MinceR | and suddenly, lunchtime | Jul 08 11:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is Breaking CAPTCHA a Crime? - http://bit.ly/bCiYdw not so much nicked as captcha'd... #law | Jul 08 11:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: I think this is the only country that pays teachers $50,000 a year to pass illiterates through high school | Jul 08 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | I really do | Jul 08 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | people laugh if you tell them you have a GED, but a third of high school seniors that they use as the control group can't pass it | Jul 08 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | and that's AFTER they graduated | Jul 08 11:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Washington Post Notes Summit Entertainment's Twisted View Of IP Laws On Twilight - http://bit.ly/crvjUI abusing #copyright | Jul 08 11:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: State law says you can't take the GED unless you got to at least 9th grade (because age 16 is when you could legally drop out anyway) | Jul 08 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | well, I lived in a small town where the truant officer didn't exist | Jul 08 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | got as far as 7th grade, and that was the last school that expelled me :) | Jul 08 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | so I waited until I was 16, took the GED test, and passed it | Jul 08 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 08 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | I figured that I saved myself a few years of bullshit if that was all they expected of a high school graduate anyway | Jul 08 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | I had to lie and tell them I dropped out when I was 16 though | Jul 08 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like they checked | Jul 08 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | so MinceR, what was funny is that like half the math section of the test is Algebra | Jul 08 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | I had never even taken an Algebra test and I passed that section with plenty of room to spare | Jul 08 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | and that was the only part I was even worried about | Jul 08 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | *Algebra class | Jul 08 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | I figured it out as I was going through the testing section | Jul 08 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | the test is in two parts, and I was the first one done with each section, they give 2 hours per section and I was done within about 45 minutes both nights | Jul 08 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Uhhm, I don't want to sound rude or anything, but, can I go now?" | Jul 08 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | and everyone in the room is eyeballing me | Jul 08 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 08 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The results they get out of the educational system has little to do with how much money they throw at it | Jul 08 11:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Financial Report Says That #Novell “Continues to Disappoint” and Novell Still Wants to ‘Own’ #OpenOffice .org http://ur1.ca/0lkme | Jul 08 11:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] First look: new Ubuntu font boosts Linux typography - http://bit.ly/bggfRO nice move: released under open licence #fonts | Jul 08 11:16 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Financial Report Says That Novell “Continues to Disappoint” and Novell Still Wants to Own OpenOffice.org | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.9 KB | Jul 08 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think whenever they throw millions more dollars at it, it all gets sucked up into teacher salaries anyway | Jul 08 11:16 |
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| DaemonFC | instead of hiring more teachers, they give the ones that already aren't doing their job bonuses | Jul 08 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's a topic that no politician will touch | Jul 08 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | all they say is "I want to send more money into the system" | Jul 08 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | so every year people's taxes go up so those teachers that they can't fire (unions, tenure) get paid even more | Jul 08 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to be the governor | Jul 08 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'd break the teachers unions | Jul 08 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | there's more teachers out there than there are jobs for them in the state | Jul 08 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'd just tell them "Feel free to strike, but if you do, you're fired" | Jul 08 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 08 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh, a project to do, bbiab | Jul 08 11:21 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer Slide 25 on OS/FS Security: "In God We Trust; From Everyone Else,We Need Source Code." - so right. http://is.gd/djMW0 | Jul 08 11:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] At an Internet Governance event in Lisboa, ISCTE. Next in line, Net Neutrality. | Jul 08 11:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] EU commissioner on digital media and the internet - http://bit.ly/beVWEN pushes FRAND: not good (via @NeelieKroesEU) #openstandards | Jul 08 11:34 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: EUROPA - Press Releases - Joaquín Almunia Vice President of the European Commission responsible for competition policy Competition in Digital Media and the Internet UCL Jevons Lecture London, 7 July 2010 .::. Size~: 32.65 KB | Jul 08 11:34 |
| oiaohm | The gstreamer take up by main openoffice threats go-oo location. | Jul 08 11:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] An 'open source manifesto' to counter the ICT cuts - http://bit.ly/bmpPKa excellent stuff (via @remixtures @sohear) #education #uk | Jul 08 11:37 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: how so? | Jul 08 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Main reason for distributions using go-oo is audio not working with openoffice. | Jul 08 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Without a lot of work. | Jul 08 11:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Idiot in the audience thinks it's more efficient to negotiate behind closed doors rather than multi stakeholderism. | Jul 08 12:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Wolfgang replies it's less eficient but much more sustainable. Recalls online child porn law in Germany behind closed doors and doesn't work | Jul 08 12:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Where is @fabsh? Should we be worried? or is he just busy killing squids? :-) | Jul 08 12:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Net Neutrality debate is about to start. | Jul 08 12:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @evan: #StatusNet Revolutionizes Motorola Internal Communications http://ur1.ca/0lkcz | Jul 08 12:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Pedro Oliveira starts. Openness, User Innovation and Net Neutrality. | Jul 08 12:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Open Standards are essential to allow user Innovation | Jul 08 12:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] 86% of Innovation comes from users. | Jul 08 12:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] We should ask why 'they' want to close the Net, because an open Internet is essential for Innovation. | Jul 08 12:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Carlos Correia , Vodaphone , same title of presentation | Jul 08 12:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Vodaphone thinks it's legitimate that it may manage user traffic to control congestion. But rules must be transparent for customers. | Jul 08 12:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Parliament vote seals ban on illegal timber - http://bit.ly/d0ccnT a start, but much more needed #eu #trees #deforestation | Jul 08 12:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Wants users to pay more for faster networks. | Jul 08 12:47 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Parliament vote seals ban on illegal timber | EurActiv .::. Size~: 43.03 KB | Jul 08 12:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @tricknik: How Goldman Sachs gambled on starving the world's poor - and won http://ping.fm/Huy51 | frightening. #tnparty | Jul 08 12:48 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Pedro Ferreira, Anacom | Jul 08 12:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Asking permission to use a CC-licensed work isn't polite, it's rude - adds work to the creator's day, undermines the value of CC | Jul 08 12:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] If you need permission to use a CC licensed work, then the CC license is worthless. CC *is* permission. | Jul 08 12:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Still waiting for VodafoneDE to finally start pushing the froyo update fro the Nexus One. How much longer? #sucks | Jul 08 12:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] International Net Neutrality Conference in Lisbon, by Anacom at October 9 | Jul 08 13:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] And now Jean Jacques Sahel | Jul 08 13:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @doctorow But NC-Clause *is* problematic and sometimes *requires* to ask permission when unclear what is commercial. | Jul 08 13:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Users buy access to the Internet because they want to access it whole. IP is like the power plug. You don't want to pay more to be able ... | Jul 08 13:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ... to plug your microwave oven . | Jul 08 13:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Operators should not decide what users can access in the Internet. | Jul 08 13:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Virgilio Vargas , IBM. We're not against Net Neutrality principles. Respect them. | Jul 08 13:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ten years ago ten percent of population had a phone . Now it's seventy, most mobile phones. | Jul 08 13:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Flat rates were invented by telcos but revenue didn't grow in parallel with traffic growth. | Jul 08 13:16 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] This is why patents are fucking evil! We are being ripped off of our free time creativity! http://bit.ly/bOZUbc | Jul 08 13:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Hopes law will respect neutrality but allows intelligent network management, which needs to happen because bandwidth is finite. | Jul 08 13:20 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] This is why #patents are fucking evil! We are being ripped off of our free time creativity! http://bit.ly/bOZUbc | Jul 08 13:38 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: redcode.nl .::. Size~: 26.35 KB | Jul 08 13:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Tried to dispell cyber warfare scaremongering and debunk Vodaphone misleading presentation. | Jul 08 13:41 | |
| MinceR | http://cryptolib.com/ciphers/skype/ | Jul 08 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Index of /ciphers/skype .::. Size~: 0.37 KB | Jul 08 13:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] They tried to make people think it's a matter of customer download speeds. | Jul 08 13:44 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Pedro Veiga from FCCN said neutral Net is cheaper because QoS is very costly. | Jul 08 13:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Pedro Veiga: non neutral net is like highway operators controlling car luggage. | Jul 08 13:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Pedro Ferreira clearly shows by his statements that Anacom is against Net Neutrality. | Jul 08 13:51 | |
| MinceR | what sort of magic does fedora 13 require to allow me to create a btrfs-based system? | Jul 08 14:00 |
| MinceR | i put btrfs on the boot command line and nothing changed | Jul 08 14:01 |
| MinceR | i'd settle for the spell that lets me install to ext3 | Jul 08 14:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Does Surveillance Make Us Morally Better? - http://bit.ly/bAVQAo fab, wide-ranging piece; well-worth reading (via Bruce Schneier) | Jul 08 14:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Except if I had the words "I said", most of my previous messages where in fact from the speakers mentioned a few messages before. | Jul 08 14:26 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BP refuses to let clean up workers wear proper gear http://BPSick.org/e1-jul-e | Jul 08 15:03 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/07/can-it-really-rain-o-1.html | Jul 08 15:03 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] BP continues to pollute http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/07/can-it-really-rain-o-1.html | Jul 08 15:03 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it's not oil, it's rainbows from Heaven | Jul 08 15:17 |
| schestowitz | BP is doing God's work | Jul 08 15:18 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 15:19 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: you know black is just all the colors in the world combined | Jul 08 15:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Anti-terror stop and search powers to be scrapped - http://bit.ly/9fqkQv another #authoritarian measure nobbled (but not repealed) #liberty | Jul 08 15:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Anti-terror stop and search powers to be scrapped | Law | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 71.31 KB | Jul 08 15:22 |
| Ziomatrix | lol someone at Apple confirmed the obvious, fire him! stephen conroy | Jul 08 15:25 |
| Ziomatrix | http://gizmodo.com/5580587/applecare-the-iphone-4-update-wont-solve-the-antenna-problem | Jul 08 15:25 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: AppleCare: The iPhone 4 Update Won't Solve the Antenna Problem .::. Size~: 81.89 KB | Jul 08 15:25 |
| Ziomatrix | lol, thats a paste from another topic on Australia's Website Filtering Czar | Jul 08 15:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Very cool, check it out! RT @alonswartz: Ubuntu on Nexus One Android http://post.ly/mJlC | Jul 08 15:31 | |
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| schestowitz | [15:21] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: you know black is just all the colors in the world combined | Jul 08 15:32 |
| schestowitz | See vid | Jul 08 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Spectral water effect | Jul 08 15:32 |
| MinceR | 161718 < Ziomatrix> schestowitz: you know black is just all the colors in the world combined | Jul 08 15:33 |
| MinceR | so is white | Jul 08 15:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Anti-terror stop and search powers to be scrapped - http://bit.ly/9fqkQv > becoming more civilised again | Jul 08 15:35 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Anti-terror stop and search powers to be scrapped | Law | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 71.11 KB | Jul 08 15:35 |
| schestowitz | [15:33] <MinceR> 161718 < Ziomatrix> schestowitz: you know black is just all the colors in the world combined | Jul 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | It's more complicated than that | Jul 08 15:36 |
| schestowitz | On a metaphoric level it's cool | Jul 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | But one species' green isn't another's | Jul 08 15:37 |
| schestowitz | Black is "no signal" | Jul 08 15:37 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I was just trying to go along with the joke, I know it depends on angle, how much lighter their is, the deepness of the water or during a particular wavelength if its electromagnetically stimulated | Jul 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the Apple link | Jul 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | GIZMODO gives them all | Jul 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | They deserve it after what they did to Chen | Jul 08 15:38 |
| schestowitz | /all/hell/ | Jul 08 15:39 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: in other news Freedom of speech doesn't grant you job security: http://tinyurl.com/29eqk4h | Jul 08 15:39 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I hope the manager gets sued for employee descrimination | Jul 08 15:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Sea otters worth $700 million in carbon credits - http://bit.ly/dsHYwl fascinating logic | Jul 08 15:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sea otters worth $700 million in carbon credits - environment - 07 July 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 48.21 KB | Jul 08 15:40 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: indeed, I feel ashamed that American law enforcement can be used in such a manner, in a way its worse then the Pinkerton incident at the Pennsylvania steel mill because at least back then it was private security involved. | Jul 08 15:41 |
| MinceR | http://asnowstormbyanyothername.blogspot.com/ | Jul 08 15:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @jwildeboer: OOXML Aftermath: Rule changes. An admission the process of OOXML standardisation was flawed. http://is.gd/djMJ7 | Jul 08 15:43 | |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: see Katrina | Jul 08 15:43 |
| schestowitz | As I understand it from reliable videos, rich people in GA got themselves private armies | Jul 08 15:44 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: and other police went door to door shooting dogs owners left behind with notes to take care of them | Jul 08 15:44 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: best of all court case against the sherif in charge was dropped: http://www.care2.com/news/member/661371542/642304 | Jul 08 15:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @tricknik: How Goldman Sachs gambled on starving the world's poor - and won http://ping.fm/Huy51 | frightening. | Jul 08 15:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @einfeldt RT @tricknik: How Goldman Sachs gambled on starving the world's poor - and won http://ping.fm/Huy51 | frightening. | Jul 08 15:46 | |
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| MinceR | damn, the fedora installer is fucking retarded | Jul 08 15:52 |
| MinceR | does anyone know a distro that doesn't suck? | Jul 08 15:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How Goldman Sachs gambled on starving the world's poor - and won - http://bit.ly/9TglxQ loathsome (via @schestowitz @einfeldt @tricknik) | Jul 08 15:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How Goldman Sachs gambled on starving the world's poor - and won : Johann Hari .::. Size~: 23.59 KB | Jul 08 15:52 |
| MinceR | it just tested the dvd image and then decided that it can't see the drive | Jul 08 15:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: unsuckbuntu? | Jul 08 15:53 |
| MinceR | what's that? | Jul 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | It's yet another *buntu flavour | Jul 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | One customised not to suck | Jul 08 15:53 |
| MinceR | and it takes the suck out of ubuntu? | Jul 08 15:53 |
| MinceR | might be worth a try if there's nothing else | Jul 08 15:53 |
| schestowitz | pclos? | Jul 08 15:53 |
| MinceR | last time i tried it was horribly unfinished | Jul 08 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Jul 08 15:54 |
| MinceR | badly put together from ancient versions | Jul 08 15:54 |
| schestowitz | It's community run | Jul 08 15:54 |
| MinceR | iirc i couldn't even get it to install | Jul 08 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Pardus... | Jul 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Vista8..... | Jul 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | MEPIS 8 | Jul 08 15:55 |
| MinceR | iirc i couldn't get pardus to work either | Jul 08 15:55 |
| MinceR | vista8 is not a gnu/linux distro, afaik | Jul 08 15:55 |
| MinceR | mepis? hmm... | Jul 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | You could install puppy and make the desktop background the leaked screenshots of alleged vista8 | Jul 08 15:55 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Like a man with a fake Rolex | Jul 08 15:56 |
| MinceR | in any case, the fedora team knows where to stick their "your / partition does not match the live image you are installing from. it must be formatted as ext4." | Jul 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | mepis is based onD ebian | Jul 08 15:56 |
| schestowitz | And Debian is the king | Jul 08 15:56 |
| MinceR | i'm not too impressed with debian | Jul 08 15:56 |
| MinceR | considering how they packaged gnome-do | Jul 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Try Ubuntu | Jul 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | even ubuntu got it right | Jul 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Debian for being human | Jul 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | i've tried, and i don't want any more of ubuntu | Jul 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | especially not their renewed osx mania | Jul 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | and mono-mania | Jul 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay... | Jul 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | and mac asay's brainwaves | Jul 08 15:57 |
| schestowitz | Mono Mania is being reduced | Jul 08 15:57 |
| MinceR | bingo-mania | Jul 08 15:58 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: I think Red Hat is the best bet for the average user | Jul 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | 10.10 will come thru shipit with 10 CDs and 1 diaper | Jul 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | Ziomatrix: i won't pay for a personal os :> | Jul 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: shitit? | Jul 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what bingo mania? | Jul 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | They removed it | Jul 08 15:58 |
| cubezzz | what do you use MinceR? | Jul 08 15:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yesah | Jul 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: they tried to push bing-o in, then removed it when they saw the backlash | Jul 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: kubuntu | Jul 08 15:58 |
| cubezzz | you probably told me before, but I forgot | Jul 08 15:58 |
| cubezzz | ah | Jul 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | i want out | Jul 08 15:58 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: I thought you can still download a free, unsupported ISO? | Jul 08 15:58 |
| MinceR | Ziomatrix: i never knew that | Jul 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | though i guess there's centos | Jul 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | but it officially isn't for desktop | Jul 08 15:59 |
| schestowitz | repos | Jul 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | besides, don't they use anaconda for the install? | Jul 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | (which i just found out sucks royally) | Jul 08 15:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Use python :-) | Jul 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | ಠ_ಠ | Jul 08 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Anaconda is a pig | Jul 08 15:59 |
| cubezzz | BL3 :) | Jul 08 15:59 |
| MinceR | what's bl3? | Jul 08 15:59 |
| cubezzz | Basic Linux 3.5 | Jul 08 16:00 |
| MinceR | i'm not looking for something that's optimized for old hardware :) | Jul 08 16:00 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: Why do you call Linux names? ;[0 | Jul 08 16:00 |
| MinceR | hmm, maybe if i could find a fedora netinstall image | Jul 08 16:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR need hardware that's optimised for old people | Jul 08 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Not the other way around | Jul 08 16:00 |
| cubezzz | yeah I guess Fedora is the way to go then | Jul 08 16:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janet-tavakoli/should-taxpayers-continue_b_637579.html | Jul 08 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Janet Tavakoli: Should Taxpayers Continue to Subsidize Goldman Sachs's Alleged Obscenity? .::. Size~: 168.79 KB | Jul 08 16:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zach-carter/dont-let-goldman-sachs-of_b_638108.html | Jul 08 16:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Zach Carter: Don't Let Goldman Sachs Off the Hook .::. Size~: 197.18 KB | Jul 08 16:02 |
| *schestowitz adds Goldman Sachs tshirt to the wishlist :0-) | Jul 08 16:02 | |
| MinceR | GoldmanSucks | Jul 08 16:02 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: in South Korea, only old people use hardware? | Jul 08 16:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Oi oi folks, how are we all doing today? | Jul 08 16:03 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: in old Korea, only people | Jul 08 16:04 |
| cubezzz | in Soviet Russia OS installs you! | Jul 08 16:04 |
| *schestowitz thinks MinceR LOVES people | Jul 08 16:04 | |
| MinceR | i'm out of soylent green | Jul 08 16:05 |
| *schestowitz thinks MinceR hugs people in the streets | Jul 08 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | [like an Anaconda] | Jul 08 16:05 |
| schestowitz | "I am Fedora!!!!!!1" | Jul 08 16:05 |
| *MinceR rolls his eyes | Jul 08 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | "I am Leonidas!!!!!!1 He me roat, Sparta" | Jul 08 16:05 |
| *MinceR kicks schestowitz into a well | Jul 08 16:06 | |
| schestowitz | well......... | Jul 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/07/cohan-let-goldman-be-goldman/ | Jul 08 16:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 08 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Kick Blankfein.. | Jul 08 16:06 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: http://www.osnews.com/story/23481/Sad_State_of_South_Korean_Internet | Jul 08 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sad State of South Korean Internet .::. Size~: 24.12 KB | Jul 08 16:07 |
| cubezzz | what about Yarrow? | Jul 08 16:07 |
| cubezzz | no one likes Yarrow? :) | Jul 08 16:07 |
| MinceR | what's that? | Jul 08 16:07 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: a majority of their websites still use ActiveX controls :-o | Jul 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Yarro? | Jul 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | SCO's? | Jul 08 16:07 |
| cubezzz | Fedora Core 1 | Jul 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: old news | Jul 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | very old | Jul 08 16:07 |
| schestowitz | They keep telling i | Jul 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | *it | Jul 08 16:08 |
| cubezzz | respect the Old School | Jul 08 16:08 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: you think its propaganda | Jul 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: old school needs to earn its respect | Jul 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: no | Jul 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | It's a true story | Jul 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | But they don't do enough to make a turnaround | Jul 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Even when Macs you can't access banks there | Jul 08 16:08 |
| schestowitz | I say, send BillG and SteveB there | Jul 08 16:09 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, what about Linux? | Jul 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | They could be strong Korean leaders | Jul 08 16:09 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: do you believe that its due to standards within Asia and the tools needed to develop more updated AJAX and HTML5 websites is not available for those languages? | Jul 08 16:09 |
| cubezzz | re: Banks | Jul 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I wrote about 10 posts about it in techrgihts | Jul 08 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Search for 'korea activex' | Jul 08 16:10 |
| cubezzz | you knew Leonidas but you didn't know Yarrow :) | Jul 08 16:10 |
| MinceR | Yarrow didn't say "This! Is! SPARTAAAAAAA!" | Jul 08 16:11 |
| cubezzz | there's this article on slackware and it links to ebay | Jul 08 16:14 |
| cubezzz | rather silly | Jul 08 16:14 |
| cubezzz | the ideal linux: | Jul 08 16:16 |
| cubezzz | runs on almost anything | Jul 08 16:16 |
| cubezzz | lets you pick your WM | Jul 08 16:16 |
| cubezzz | optimizes itself for the hardware automatically | Jul 08 16:17 |
| cubezzz | from the oldest of the old to the newest of the new | Jul 08 16:17 |
| MinceR | i don't want it to optimize itself for the hardware | Jul 08 16:17 |
| cubezzz | why not? | Jul 08 16:17 |
| MinceR | at least not at the cost of automatically disabling features | Jul 08 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Ewww..... what a rubbish story: http://thebrilliantstories.com/will-legal-software-mean-you-can-no-longer-get-anything-for-free/45628/ | Jul 08 16:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Will Legal Software mean you can no Longer get anything for Free? | The Brilliant Stories .::. Size~: 27.2 KB | Jul 08 16:17 |
| MinceR | because i want to decide that | Jul 08 16:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Free Software Coder Bullied over *Algorithm* - http://bit.ly/dljddp read and weep #swpats #holland (via @deathboyuk) | Jul 08 16:24 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: open...: Free Software Coder Bullied over *Algorithm* .::. Size~: 69.51 KB | Jul 08 16:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hawk-Eye: non-free software, proprietary hardware and software patents in Soccer Rules http://ur1.ca/0lndr #fifa | Jul 08 16:29 | |
| cubezzz | yeah that's not good | Jul 08 16:29 |
| cubezzz | I really don't see how they can stop him though | Jul 08 16:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Hawk-Eye: non-free software, proprietary hardware and software patents in Soccer Rules | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | Jul 08 16:30 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, sounds like you want to go LFS | Jul 08 16:30 |
| MinceR | not really | Jul 08 16:31 |
| cubezzz | well you don't like KDE 4, and everything new uses KDE 4 | Jul 08 16:31 |
| cubezzz | what does that leave? | Jul 08 16:31 |
| MinceR | i was thinking of giving e17+ecomp/ecomorph a try, then metisse | Jul 08 16:32 |
| MinceR | then give up on 3d compositing and look for options | Jul 08 16:32 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Jul 08 16:32 |
| MinceR | i could even go back to TDE | Jul 08 16:32 |
| cubezzz | I really do like KDE 3.4 | Jul 08 16:34 |
| MinceR | why not 3.5? | Jul 08 16:35 |
| cubezzz | compiling it takes a long time | Jul 08 16:35 |
| cubezzz | no real reason | Jul 08 16:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: twm? | Jul 08 16:38 |
| cubezzz | there's always Vector :) | Jul 08 16:38 |
| MinceR | i doubt i have to stoop so low as to use twm | Jul 08 16:39 |
| MinceR | or to pay for vector | Jul 08 16:39 |
| cubezzz | you can download Vector for free | Jul 08 16:40 |
| MinceR | which version? | Jul 08 16:40 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Jul 08 16:40 |
| cubezzz | I know the one I dloaded had KDE 3.5 | Jul 08 16:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] To me, today, the most scandalous thing was how the portuguese teleocmunications regulator appeared to abohrr #netneutrality. | Jul 08 16:41 | |
| MinceR | anyway, i've managed to hunt down the netinst image for fedora | Jul 08 16:41 |
| MinceR | despite all their attempts to hide it | Jul 08 16:41 |
| cubezzz | http://vectorlinux.com/news/vl6.0-kde-classic-live-released | Jul 08 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: VL6.0 KDE-Classic-Live Released — VectorLinux.com .::. Size~: 23.93 KB | Jul 08 16:41 |
| cubezzz | and it seems Red Hat Enterprise has KDE 3.5 | Jul 08 16:43 |
| MinceR | vectorlinux only has kde4 in the pay versions | Jul 08 16:43 |
| MinceR | ridiculous | Jul 08 16:43 |
| schestowitz | KDe4 ftw | Jul 08 16:43 |
| MinceR | i expect that i will need some of the apps | Jul 08 16:44 |
| cubezzz | but you didn't want KDE 4 :) | Jul 08 16:44 |
| MinceR | i don't want it as my DE, but i probably want the applications | Jul 08 16:44 |
| MinceR | and their dependencies | Jul 08 16:44 |
| MinceR | i've always installed both gnome and kde, even when i had a fvwm desktop | Jul 08 16:45 |
| MinceR | well, the netinstall image can't find itself either | Jul 08 16:47 |
| schestowitz | kde4 is mostly plasma and qt4 | Jul 08 16:47 |
| MinceR | i certainly need qt4 | Jul 08 16:48 |
| schestowitz | With a few tweaks you can make plasma+your apps looks like the nicest desktop ever | Jul 08 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Defaults are not doing it justice | Jul 08 16:49 |
| MinceR | random crashes and loss of settings is not "nice" | Jul 08 16:50 |
| cubezzz | I feel compelled to point out KDE 4 is slow on older hardware | Jul 08 16:50 |
| cubezzz | it's not exactly a solution for everyone | Jul 08 16:50 |
| MinceR | and failing to resize the panel automatically is not "nice" either | Jul 08 16:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: 4.3? | Jul 08 16:50 |
| MinceR | when either there's a large empty area or some plasmoids are pushed off screen | Jul 08 16:50 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 08 16:50 |
| MinceR | even though i've told it what range to resize it in | Jul 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Never had such issues here | Jul 08 16:51 |
| MinceR | maybe it works better with a horizontal panel | Jul 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I made my panels small too, making room for apps | Jul 08 16:51 |
| MinceR | but i don't want to waste screen space | Jul 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ewww... | Jul 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | Vertical? | Jul 08 16:51 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 08 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I did that in Mandriva | Jul 08 16:51 |
| MinceR | it works better with widescreen | Jul 08 16:52 |
| MinceR | i've made a nice Adjustable Clock theme for the vertical panel | Jul 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I have dual | Jul 08 16:52 |
| MinceR | i don't always have dual, since i use laptops | Jul 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Clocks such | Jul 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | Clocks such as? | Jul 08 16:52 |
| MinceR | and occasionally i use the discrete display for another computer | Jul 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | They only add a dimension of time | Jul 08 16:52 |
| schestowitz | It's distracting to work | Jul 08 16:52 |
| MinceR | i need to be aware of that dimension | Jul 08 16:53 |
| schestowitz | KISS | Jul 08 16:53 |
| schestowitz | simple, stupid | Jul 08 16:53 |
| schestowitz | I avoid the clock whetever I can | Jul 08 16:54 |
| schestowitz | That's why I also avoid scheduling meetings | Jul 08 16:54 |
| *jono has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Jul 08 16:54 | |
| schestowitz | For a meeting you arrange you might have to stare at a clock 10 times | Jul 08 16:54 |
| MinceR | i can't avoid scheduling meetings either | Jul 08 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Then think about what you saw | Jul 08 16:54 |
| MinceR | my biological clock is practically useless | Jul 08 16:54 |
| schestowitz | People underestimate the importance of mental simplicity | Jul 08 16:55 |
| cubezzz | I see Enlightenment uses the BSD license | Jul 08 16:55 |
| MinceR | i can handle complexity | Jul 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | If you add interfering thoughts you can't multitask with the 'beef' | Jul 08 16:55 |
| MinceR | i can multitask | Jul 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | That's why I also suppress use of phone | Jul 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | You can't choose when phones ring | Jul 08 16:55 |
| MinceR | my phones ring _very_ rarely | Jul 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | You can't put phone in another workspace like E-mail | Jul 08 16:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: and then you ignore them :-) | Jul 08 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Put up the volume | Jul 08 16:56 |
| cubezzz | my phone doesn't ring | Jul 08 16:56 |
| cubezzz | it flashes | Jul 08 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Adobe Flash? | Jul 08 16:57 |
| MinceR | my phones support profiles so they can be made to be silent and the like | Jul 08 16:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Another unmanned CCTV control room - http://bit.ly/ce26bc no need for any "quis custodiet custodes?" - no "custodes" #surveillance | Jul 08 16:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Another unmanned CCTV control room - Big Brother Watch .::. Size~: 36.31 KB | Jul 08 16:57 |
| schestowitz | "your phone has just crashed. Firefox terminated the plugin" | Jul 08 16:57 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Jul 08 16:57 |
| cubezzz | that sounds horrible | Jul 08 16:57 |
| MinceR | when symbian crashes it just reboots | Jul 08 16:57 |
| MinceR | i had it crash once | Jul 08 16:57 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall when In last rebooted my Palm | Jul 08 16:58 |
| MinceR | and i had the menu and the home screen crash a few times, but those were automatically restarted quickly | Jul 08 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Probably last year | Jul 08 16:58 |
| MinceR | unlike winblows mobile, where if the Today screen crashes, you have to reboot | Jul 08 16:58 |
| cubezzz | I do miss the clipboard on this ancient linux though | Jul 08 16:58 |
| MinceR | my palm bricked itself | Jul 08 16:58 |
| MinceR | and it liked to crash too | Jul 08 16:58 |
| MinceR | palmos's memory management is atrocious | Jul 08 16:58 |
| schestowitz | What's RAM-hungary [sic] anyway? | Jul 08 16:59 |
| MinceR | hur hur | Jul 08 16:59 |
| cubezzz | heh | Jul 08 16:59 |
| MinceR | it's the home country of male sheep | Jul 08 16:59 |
| cubezzz | that's when your computer is in Hungary and it's low on ram | Jul 08 16:59 |
| *jono (~jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 08 17:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Ah... the pleasant sounds of australian aboriginal music... #didgeridoo rocks! | Jul 08 17:04 | |
| MinceR | also, i didn't know that there was no fsck for btrfs yet | Jul 08 17:06 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure btrfs will find a mate to reproduce with sooner or later | Jul 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Oracle will have it inter-breed with zfs :-| | Jul 08 17:07 |
| schestowitz | zfs has legal issues again | Jul 08 17:07 |
| MinceR | what legal issues? | Jul 08 17:08 |
| MinceR | is oracle not interested in fixing the licensing issues with zfs? | Jul 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | This morning I wrote about the patent issue (latest) | Jul 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: oiaohm would know better | Jul 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Oracle is passive | Jul 08 17:08 |
| schestowitz | btw | Jul 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Paul Allen is selling his yacht | Jul 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | So Ellison the Arrogant will have an ego boost | Jul 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | They used to compete over yacht size | Jul 08 17:09 |
| schestowitz | http://needham.patch.com/articles/nhs-linux-club-donates-computers-to-needham-housing-authority | Jul 08 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Needham Patch, MA - NHS Linux Club Donates Computers to Needham Housing Authority .::. Size~: 91.13 KB | Jul 08 17:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.everythingusb.com/usb-hardware-trojan-security-flaw-19394.html | Jul 08 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.buzzbiznews.com/032408/nokia-n-series-phones-to-use-linux-os/ | Jul 08 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Nokia N-series phones to use Linux OS | Buzz Biz News .::. Size~: 56.15 KB | Jul 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Linux is not an OS | Jul 08 17:13 |
| schestowitz | MeeGO is | Jul 08 17:13 |
| *schestowitz go http://www.stockwatch.in/nokia-fightback-smartphone-market-ceo-vanjoki-27958 | Jul 08 17:14 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Nokia to ‘fightback’ in Smartphone market, CEO Vanjoki | Stock Watch .::. Size~: 29.96 KB | Jul 08 17:14 |
| schestowitz | /mee go | Jul 08 17:14 |
| schestowitz | [17:14] [Error] mee: Unknown command. | Jul 08 17:14 |
| MinceR | Mi-Go | Jul 08 17:14 |
| schestowitz | A Mi-Go? | Jul 08 17:14 |
| schestowitz | What the heck is a mi-go? | Jul 08 17:15 |
| schestowitz | f* a mi-go (or a mi-ga) | Jul 08 17:15 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go | Jul 08 17:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mi-go - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 35.84 KB | Jul 08 17:15 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nice candidate for God for another sect | Jul 08 17:15 |
| schestowitz | "fungoid" | Jul 08 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Does it taste OK? | Jul 08 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Imagine if you will restaurants that serve mythical dishes | Jul 08 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Unicorn fillet.. | Jul 08 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm................uuuuuuuuuunicorn | Jul 08 17:17 |
| MinceR | ThinkGeek offers unicorn meat | Jul 08 17:18 |
| schestowitz | It's the horn that give is the taste and the nutritional value (rich in calcium) | Jul 08 17:18 |
| MinceR | they don't stock it though | Jul 08 17:18 |
| schestowitz | *gives it | Jul 08 17:18 |
| schestowitz | [17:18] <MinceR> they don't stock it though | Jul 08 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Barbara Streisand effect drove it out of stock | Jul 08 17:19 |
| schestowitz | All the rapid unicon fanbois (and fangurls) preordered it | Jul 08 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Only to find out that you need to hold it a certain way to ingest | Jul 08 17:20 |
| schestowitz | http://apcmag.com/Content.aspx?id=5893 | Jul 08 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/grep-command-in-linux-explained-699455 | Jul 08 17:21 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Grep command in Linux explained | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 71.34 KB | Jul 08 17:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Headphones off... let's see how long it takes until someone asks me if the laptop is malfunctioning #didgeridoo | Jul 08 17:27 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/26817/ | Jul 08 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 3.17% of All SSL are Being Used. - Industry News - Overclockers Club .::. Size~: 19.25 KB | Jul 08 17:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Indicator Panel Menu Rocks The House - http://is.gd/dkczB #gnome #ubuntu | Jul 08 17:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Profile of paper cutter Marcus Carlson - http://is.gd/dkcE2 #ubuntu | Jul 08 17:31 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Indicator Panel Menu Rocks The House | jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 24.7 KB | Jul 08 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: jorge's stompbox - Papercutter Profile: Marcus Carlson .::. Size~: 12.68 KB | Jul 08 17:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The always awesome ScottK on the Indicator App Menu in Kubuntu - http://is.gd/dkcHM #kubuntu #ubuntu #kde | Jul 08 17:33 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Global menu in action in Kubuntu Maverick « ScottK might have something to say & .::. Size~: 17.03 KB | Jul 08 17:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techeye.net/security/adobe-says-64-bit-flash-is-coming | Jul 08 17:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Adobe says 64-bit flash is coming - It will save every one of us | TechEye .::. Size~: 25.93 KB | Jul 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | "App" is an Apple-hijacked term | Jul 08 17:34 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/First-ELSE-Project-Has-Been-Closed-145819.shtml | Jul 08 17:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: First ELSE Project Has Been Closed - Emblaze Mobile drops its plans for Linux-based devices - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.66 KB | Jul 08 17:36 |
| schestowitz | First ACCESS office Has Been Closed? | Jul 08 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Emblaze sued Microsoft and Apple | Jul 08 17:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Bingo! | Jul 08 17:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Blow for ACCESS, Shape and Emblaze. They decided to just become a litigant, not a development house http://ur1.ca/0lnzj | Jul 08 17:39 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: First ELSE Project Has Been Closed - Emblaze Mobile drops its plans for Linux-based devices - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.77 KB | Jul 08 17:39 |
| MinceR | ruiseabra found something with m$'s search engine? :> | Jul 08 17:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you beat me to it | Jul 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz | See next dent | Jul 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Takes time (polling) | Jul 08 17:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 08 17:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] For those who don't know, #Emblaze sued Apple and MSFT over patents some months ago. Those who can't compete sue. #ELSE #ACCESS | Jul 08 17:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra Google-O is better | Jul 08 17:40 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Damn. I should have typed "troll", not "sue" | Jul 08 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Cause ACCESS is trolling in two ways | Jul 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Patent trolling and blog trolling | Jul 08 17:41 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 08 17:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Is there a way to simply tag as #spam all #farmville BS? | Jul 08 17:41 | |
| schestowitz | Barred from many blogs | Jul 08 17:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they say Bingo is for old ladies | Jul 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | In Korea, only.... | Jul 08 17:42 |
| MinceR | : | Jul 08 17:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 08 17:42 |
| MinceR | my eyes outshined my smile again | Jul 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | In Korea, only dead people use Hotmail | Jul 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | But Microsoft closes their account 2 months after death (For inactivity) | Jul 08 17:42 |
| MinceR | braindead people? | Jul 08 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They need to create a new account after recovery from vegetative state | Jul 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz | They don't recall their password anyway | Jul 08 17:43 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz | My grandpa had a hotmail account | Jul 08 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Then he forgot it | Jul 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | And he tossed it at me to resolve it | Jul 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I just told him it was a chance to migrate to gmail | Jul 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | I don't mail people on Hotmail , it gives Microsoft my outbox/inbox (partly) | Jul 08 17:44 |
| MinceR | hm, at least MEPIS doesn't insist on using ext4 | Jul 08 17:44 |
| schestowitz | The small-file killer | Jul 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/06/30/emblazes-first-else-linux-phone-is-dead/ | Jul 08 17:45 |
| MinceR | the blackhole filesystem | Jul 08 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Emblazes First Else Linux phone is dead » Unwired View .::. Size~: 24.8 KB | Jul 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | <nelson>haha!</nelson> | Jul 08 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Android and MeeGO will do | Jul 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Now we'll see the troll thrown out of the LiMo | Jul 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | After he had the trolling frenzy of his lifetime | Jul 08 17:46 |
| MinceR | maybe MeeGo will do | Jul 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | I hope so | Jul 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | It's more GNU/Linux than Android | Jul 08 17:46 |
| schestowitz | It has tablets coming from China | Jul 08 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Android has this pedobot logo | Jul 08 17:47 |
| schestowitz | It's dumbed down DRM-encumbered 'app this' 'app that; | Jul 08 17:47 |
| schestowitz | I told Linus about it | Jul 08 17:47 |
| *MinceR summons Chris Hansen | Jul 08 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | And months later he bought a Droid | Jul 08 17:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | IBM Droid... | Jul 08 17:48 |
| MinceR | what | Jul 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | He trusts IBM and that whole ilk | Jul 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | OIN etc. | Jul 08 17:48 |
| MinceR | oh | Jul 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Good for Linux | Jul 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Not so much for the rest of FS | Jul 08 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/press/across-its-hosting-infrastructure,1365504.html | Jul 08 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Clllllllllllllllllllloud | Jul 08 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dynamic Net Inc. Partners With Cloud Linux Inc. To Deliver Increased Stability And Performance Across Its Hosting Infrastructure | Earth Times News .::. Size~: 50.01 KB | Jul 08 17:49 |
| MinceR | cloud >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cloud_Strife_art.jpg | Jul 08 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: File:Cloud Strife art.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 25.52 KB | Jul 08 17:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-SC-4-4-5-monthly-bug-fix-update-arrives-1031599.html | Jul 08 17:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: KDE SC 4.4.5 monthly bug fix update arrives - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.59 KB | Jul 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's a crap sword, too heavy | Jul 08 17:52 |
| schestowitz | You could stab the due before he lifts that clumsy thing you can easily escape | Jul 08 17:52 |
| MinceR | it isn't crap, you're weak | Jul 08 17:53 |
| schestowitz | it's a skinny lad in baggy pants | Jul 08 17:53 |
| schestowitz | "Ice Ice Baby" | Jul 08 17:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it would weigh like 50lb depending on the metal | Jul 08 17:53 |
| MinceR | better be strong if you want to wield it. | Jul 08 17:54 |
| MinceR | and learn the technique | Jul 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz | And if it's not heavy, then surface of collision makes it weak for gashing | Jul 08 17:54 |
| cubezzz | rapier :) | Jul 08 17:54 |
| MinceR | it collides edge-on | Jul 08 17:54 |
| cubezzz | death of a thousand cuts | Jul 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but he's weak | Jul 08 17:54 |
| MinceR | afaik he isn't | Jul 08 17:54 |
| schestowitz | I can't picture that anime dude lifting it | Jul 08 17:55 |
| MinceR | remember, that's anime style | Jul 08 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Seems like a small dude who uses a bgi sword to compensate for small 'junk' | Jul 08 17:55 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: anime sucks | Jul 08 17:55 |
| MinceR | wrong again | Jul 08 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Even as a sort pr0n thing | Jul 08 17:56 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, it's popular in Japan | Jul 08 17:56 |
| schestowitz | In the West it's a niche market for geeks | Jul 08 17:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/30/redhat_rhel_6_beta_2/ | Jul 08 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz might use it | Jul 08 17:57 |
| MinceR | it's not pr0n | Jul 08 17:57 |
| cubezzz | use what? | Jul 08 17:57 |
| MinceR | and i'm a geek | Jul 08 17:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3890976/Red+Hat+Issues+Major+Enterprise+Linux+Release.htm | Jul 08 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: geek is OK | Jul 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | nerd with social apptitude | Jul 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | *aptitude | Jul 08 17:58 |
| cubezzz | more fussing with labels | Jul 08 17:58 |
| cubezzz | I transcend all labels | Jul 08 17:58 |
| schestowitz | apptitude would be an attitude of a Mac loser | Jul 08 17:58 |
| MinceR | aptitude is a package manager frontend | Jul 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | apt-get is good enough | Jul 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | If you know what you need | Jul 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | sudo, YES, exit | Jul 08 17:59 |
| MinceR | i prefer apt-get to aptitude | Jul 08 17:59 |
| cubezzz | no :) | Jul 08 17:59 |
| cubezzz | autoconf :) | Jul 08 17:59 |
| MinceR | i don't like autoconfuse | Jul 08 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I can't begin to imagine using Firefox to get software | Jul 08 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Tedious POS, then reboot | Jul 08 18:00 |
| cubezzz | it's better to compile your own stuff | Jul 08 18:00 |
| MinceR | i prefer binary packages | Jul 08 18:00 |
| MinceR | they were compiled successfully and are known to work | Jul 08 18:01 |
| MinceR | installing from sources is a gamble | Jul 08 18:01 |
| cubezzz | why bother with FOSS if you never compile? | Jul 08 18:01 |
| MinceR | i do compile some of the time | Jul 08 18:01 |
| cubezzz | it seems wrong | Jul 08 18:01 |
| MinceR | but FOSS isn't about compiling everything all the time | Jul 08 18:01 |
| MinceR | i do value reliability | Jul 08 18:01 |
| cubezzz | you never port anything? | Jul 08 18:02 |
| cubezzz | you always use x86? | Jul 08 18:02 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 08 18:02 |
| MinceR | some of my devices are ARM | Jul 08 18:02 |
| cubezzz | ok then | Jul 08 18:02 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <MinceR> i do compile some of the time | Jul 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | That's good | Jul 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes I want to hack an app | Jul 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | To make it more useful to me | Jul 08 18:03 |
| schestowitz | but I don't have the source at hand | Jul 08 18:03 |
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| cubezzz | I always archive source code | Jul 08 18:04 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to stare at the code, find the botton callback and make that bottom do the same 5 times | Jul 08 18:04 |
| schestowitz | [For example] | Jul 08 18:04 |
| cubezzz | you never know when it will come in handy | Jul 08 18:04 |
| schestowitz | These are simply hacks | Jul 08 18:04 |
| schestowitz | No need to know the classes | Jul 08 18:04 |
| cubezzz | well you have to start somewhere | Jul 08 18:04 |
| cubezzz | most people don't know X well either | Jul 08 18:04 |
| cubezzz | or Motif, or a million other things | Jul 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Keith Packard and those from hardware companies mess with it | Jul 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | X is a mess | Jul 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | To most people at least | Jul 08 18:05 |
| cubezzz | not really | Jul 08 18:05 |
| MinceR | x is still the best windowing system | Jul 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Then add the blobs | Jul 08 18:05 |
| cubezzz | 1984 X programs still compile schestowitz | Jul 08 18:05 |
| MinceR | the only one with the correct principles | Jul 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: server?/ | Jul 08 18:05 |
| MinceR | (method, not policy) | Jul 08 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Apple should have used X | Jul 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | It would have more applications | Jul 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | But they need to have their open core thing | Jul 08 18:06 |
| cubezzz | now you're saying X is good :) | Jul 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Hey, you can get BSD free | Jul 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | So Apple is "open core" | Jul 08 18:06 |
| schestowitz | But Kokoa (kaka) is proprietary | Jul 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | And so is the rest of everything | Jul 08 18:07 |
| MinceR | crApple should have developed a Free desktop environment on top of GNU/Linux and used that | Jul 08 18:07 |
| MinceR | but it doesn't fit into their fascist corporate culture | Jul 08 18:07 |
| cubezzz | don't let those 1,000 page X books intimidate you :) | Jul 08 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Except some bits like the rendering engine (KHTML ripoff), Samba, CUPS (bought)... | Jul 08 18:07 |
| cubezzz | Apple is just for non-programmers | Jul 08 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Jul 08 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Many developers uses Macs too | Jul 08 18:08 |
| cubezzz | let's face it, GNU+Linux+X is for programmers | Jul 08 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Web devs esp. | Jul 08 18:08 |
| MinceR | let's face it, GNU/Linux/X is for whomever it's configured for | Jul 08 18:08 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: not Ubuntu and others | Jul 08 18:09 |
| MinceR | it can easily host a DE for newbs | Jul 08 18:09 |
| schestowitz | kiddix | Jul 08 18:09 |
| cubezzz | well it's especially good for programmers | Jul 08 18:09 |
| cubezzz | that's true | Jul 08 18:09 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20009173-1.html | Jul 08 18:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Pay what you want for Kiddix OS | Crave - CNET .::. Size~: 69.38 KB | Jul 08 18:09 |
| MinceR | it's especially good for anyone who's willing to go beyond the newb level | Jul 08 18:09 |
| schestowitz | You think stereotypical Linux, cubezzz | Jul 08 18:09 |
| schestowitz | with plymouth there's not even a visible boot sequence | Jul 08 18:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Microsoft's CEO is a newb | Jul 08 18:10 |
| schestowitz | He uses Excel spreadheet as calendar, still | Jul 08 18:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 18:10 |
| cubezzz | Ballmer? | Jul 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it goes well with his kin (if he bought one0 | Jul 08 18:11 |
| cubezzz | yeah he's a nut | Jul 08 18:11 |
| MinceR | couldn't find outlook in the start menu? | Jul 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer: "it's cancelled???? Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnoooooooooooooooo!" | Jul 08 18:11 |
| cubezzz | no one uses cal? :) | Jul 08 18:11 |
| MinceR | i use whatever the panel has | Jul 08 18:11 |
| MinceR | and my pda/phone | Jul 08 18:11 |
| schestowitz | My calendar has been in Palm PDB since 2002 :-> | Jul 08 18:12 |
| cubezzz | sorry, no one knows util-linux-ng I should say | Jul 08 18:12 |
| schestowitz | It's importable to kalendar | Jul 08 18:12 |
| schestowitz | korganizer | Jul 08 18:12 |
| cubezzz | because they only know grunt and point interface | Jul 08 18:12 |
| schestowitz | drool | Jul 08 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Unix admits grunt like men | Jul 08 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Mac 'admins' drool like toddlers | Jul 08 18:13 |
| schestowitz | "click and drool" | Jul 08 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Windows admins... well, they are jobless | Jul 08 18:13 |
| schestowitz | They can take LPI exams and start grunting | Jul 08 18:13 |
| schestowitz | What's this company? v | Jul 08 18:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustom=iPod+Touch,iPad,Android&sample=29 | Jul 08 18:14 |
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| cubezzz | aspx :-/ | Jul 08 18:14 |
| cubezzz | now that was stereotypical :) | Jul 08 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Probably US-only junk | Jul 08 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | *bunk | Jul 08 18:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2010/07/02/emblaze-quits-smartphone-hardware-business.htm | Jul 08 18:15 |
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| cubezzz | that's why I like IRC | Jul 08 18:16 |
| cubezzz | you get different regions, different points of view | Jul 08 18:16 |
| schestowitz | tessier: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/vietinbank-selects-an-ibm-system-z-and-linux-to-support-growing-business-in-key-emerging-market-2010-07-07?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Jul 08 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | Another step in the right direction | Jul 08 18:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/ibm_ibm-system-z-and-linux-selected-by-vietinbank-1028402.html | Jul 08 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mandriva-Linux-2010-Spring-delayed-1032937.html | Jul 08 18:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mandriva Linux 2010 Spring delayed - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.91 KB | Jul 08 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.cnet.com/8301-19736_1-20009717-251.html | Jul 08 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Nic. | Jul 08 18:19 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Report: More than half of Android apps are free | Android Atlas - CNET Blogs .::. Size~: 150.31 KB | Jul 08 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Nice. | Jul 08 18:20 |
| schestowitz | They can build businesses around it | Jul 08 18:20 |
| schestowitz | ANd make source code available | Jul 08 18:20 |
| cubezzz | I'm making icewm (old icewm even) more like KDE | Jul 08 18:23 |
| cubezzz | at least it will have xclipboard | Jul 08 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Does anyone here still us Opera? | Jul 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Firefox improved in recent releases | Jul 08 18:25 |
| *MinceR doesn't | Jul 08 18:25 | |
| schestowitz | It used to go crazy with RAM and rarely crashed. | Jul 08 18:25 |
| MinceR | except when i need the Links sidebar | Jul 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | 4.0 will be good, we need to support Mozilla | Jul 08 18:25 |
| MinceR | we need a better browser | Jul 08 18:25 |
| cubezzz | links | Jul 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | It resists swpats and represents FOSS, unlike the other visable 'foss' browsers | Jul 08 18:25 |
| schestowitz | *viable | Jul 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: mac and win32 have not better browsers | Jul 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | They have parity | Jul 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | i don't care about mac nor win32 | Jul 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | they're crap from the ground up | Jul 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | They are made to make money | Jul 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Cheap investment | Jul 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | they can't be helped except by an upgrade to gnu/linux | Jul 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | For high RoI | Jul 08 18:26 |
| MinceR | bbl | Jul 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: ok | Jul 08 18:26 |
| schestowitz | we need more tablets with unices | Jul 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Mass adoption will do the rest, dev-wise | Jul 08 18:27 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Absolute-13-1-2-Makes-the-Switch-to-Google-Chrome-146171.shtml | Jul 08 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | Google helps Apple | Jul 08 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Webkit | Jul 08 18:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.conceivablytech.com/1621/products/google-finetunes-chrome-6-dev-firefox-4-inches-towards-beta-release/ | Jul 08 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.latestngadgets.com/campaign-for-google-voice-desktop-begins/5603.html | Jul 08 18:29 |
| schestowitz | This would be nice | Jul 08 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Could fork it to make variants | Jul 08 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Hackable, unlike skype and yet faster adoption than akiga/sip | Jul 08 18:29 |
| schestowitz | *ekiga | Jul 08 18:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/infrastructure/remote_access/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225702368&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News | Jul 08 18:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/AT-T-Says-Apps-Lock-Down-Is-for-Users-Benefit-146110.shtml | Jul 08 18:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: AT&T Says Apps Lock Down Is for Users' Benefit - Explains while its users can install apps only from the Android Market - Softpedia .::. Size~: 49.76 KB | Jul 08 18:30 |
| schestowitz | AT&T are horrible | Jul 08 18:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR [away]: try this is MEPIS fails. http://www.shuttervoice.com/6461/linux-mint-9-kde-rc-is-launched.html | Jul 08 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | no Canonical, same quality | Jul 08 18:37 |
| schestowitz | New kde, 30k apps in repo | Jul 08 18:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/general/1278880/top-10-best-things-about-microsoft "If you compare the experience to other operating systems, you'll see how good a job Microsoft has done. In Linux, for example, installing hardware can be a living nightmare and there aren't driver installations in such an easy manner." | Jul 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Funny. | Jul 08 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Linux supports more hardware | Jul 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | And it never required me to install them | Jul 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft... "Created a common interface" | Jul 08 18:43 |
| schestowitz | So did Stalin | Jul 08 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Let's all thank Microsoft for making a monopoly | Jul 08 18:44 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] If the Earth Stood Still: Modeling the absence of centrifugal force http://ur1.ca/0logz !science | Jul 08 18:48 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] The proton shrinks in size http://ur1.ca/0lohw !science | Jul 08 18:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] My location is still wrong, at least though its in the correct county (unlike yesterday) | Jul 08 18:54 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.motoring.co.uk/car-news/used-mazda-mx-5-more-thrilling-than-secret-rendezvous_21697 "The used Mazda MX-5 is more thrilling than a secret rendezvous, more exciting than skydiving, and more reliable than a Linux based operating system" ^_6 | Jul 08 18:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im shown in Bedfordshire which is correct (last night it was Hertfordshire) either way its about 8 miles wrong. | Jul 08 19:00 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Patents lead to strong arming and corporate terrorism http://ur1.ca/0loks | Jul 08 19:03 | |
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| schestowitz | jono: you listen to libre.fm? | Jul 08 19:08 |
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| cubezzz | people crash all the time | Jul 08 19:12 |
| cubezzz | sometimes even in here | Jul 08 19:12 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] SCO appeals against Stewart ruling. http://cli.gs/uLe8t !linux !techrights | Jul 08 19:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] No disclosure of evidence,no "option to appeal" that's allegedly a trial by #microsoft re: copyright infringement accusation - article soon! | Jul 08 19:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] You can read the article that led to me being contacted by the companies concerned: http://tinyurl.com/3456wjn #microsoft | Jul 08 19:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoftie: KIN failure was an embarrassment across campus - http://tinyurl.com/2voxsrc #microsoft #mvp #lol | Jul 08 19:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Well, I must say from my experience that Karmic is better then Lucid #ubuntu #lucid #fail #linuxcrap | Jul 08 19:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Missed yesterday's live Severed Fifth video update? Check out the recording at http://soc.li/8Gkt6AQ #severedfifth | Jul 08 19:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Offer of GPLed Source Code | MEPIS - Not exactly card carrying advocates of the FOSS ideal then http://tinyurl.com/3acqcwt | Jul 08 19:37 | |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: i've tried mint and had issues with it | Jul 08 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Not so mint (perfect) after all | Jul 08 19:40 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 08 19:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb woodward never was | Jul 08 19:41 | |
| ThistleWeb | someone mentioned mepis used to violate the gpl, looked at it and found that | Jul 08 19:43 |
| schestowitz | "The source code DVDs may be purchased at the MEPIS Store for US$29.95." | Jul 08 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Can't wait for it to come in the mail :-) | Jul 08 19:43 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah apparently around 2006 that was the only way you could get the source | Jul 08 19:44 |
| ThistleWeb | that source page appears to be the end result of that story | Jul 08 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Warren has made some GPL hostile remarks for years now | Jul 08 19:44 |
| ThistleWeb | "since we have to comply, we'll do as little as we need to" | Jul 08 19:44 |
| cubezzz | what is MEPIS, another distro? | Jul 08 19:47 |
| ThistleWeb | simply mepis | Jul 08 19:48 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a debian / ubuntu base | Jul 08 19:48 |
| ThistleWeb | I think it's back to debain | Jul 08 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | it switched from one to the other, then back again over the course of like 4 releases | Jul 08 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | I kinda get the feeling it was the "easy to use debian" before Ubuntu came along and stole their thunder | Jul 08 19:50 |
| ThistleWeb | they have a lighter version called AntX too | Jul 08 19:50 |
| MinceR | antiX | Jul 08 19:51 |
| MinceR | i thought they were based on something other than debian some time ago, but i might be confusing it with something else | Jul 08 19:51 |
| cubezzz | I see 8.0 has KDE 3.5 | Jul 08 19:51 |
| MinceR | still no kde3 and kde4 side-by-side :/ | Jul 08 19:52 |
| cubezzz | odd that wasn't on the KDE list | Jul 08 19:52 |
| MinceR | perhaps TDE will make that possible in a way | Jul 08 19:52 |
| MinceR | then again i'm not so eager to go back to Qt3 | Jul 08 19:52 |
| cubezzz | I bet you could fit KDE 3.5 on new Fedra | Jul 08 19:55 |
| cubezzz | Fedora | Jul 08 19:55 |
| cubezzz | it would take some work, but it must be possible | Jul 08 19:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Having now actually read a "trial by Microsoft" letter, I can actually confirm, that there has been disclosure in the case ive read. | Jul 08 19:56 | |
| cubezzz | or just make your own WM :) | Jul 08 19:57 |
| MinceR | i can't even install fedora | Jul 08 19:57 |
| cubezzz | huh, that's odd | Jul 08 19:57 |
| cubezzz | I've never had Fedora not install | Jul 08 19:58 |
| MinceR | i don't want ext4 | Jul 08 19:58 |
| MinceR | fedora insists on it | Jul 08 19:58 |
| MinceR | some versions of it don't even find the disc they're running off | Jul 08 19:58 |
| cubezzz | you know what I'm going to say next right? | Jul 08 19:58 |
| MinceR | even though the test runs and succeeds | Jul 08 19:58 |
| cubezzz | you could run Fedora 8 | Jul 08 19:58 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 08 19:58 |
| MinceR | it probably won't support my hw too well | Jul 08 19:59 |
| cubezzz | when did Fedora switch to ext4? | Jul 08 19:59 |
| cubezzz | ah, it's probably on wikipedia | Jul 08 20:00 |
| cubezzz | there's lots of things I like about old(er) linux | Jul 08 20:00 |
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| cubezzz | at a certain point, these newer Linux distros just got too big | Jul 08 20:02 |
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| MinceR | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/b7ca80ee-ad3c-4336-b262-0622d1df4e43.jpg | Jul 08 20:03 |
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| MinceR | i don't think they got too big, i think they got too stupid | Jul 08 20:03 |
| cubezzz | ok, Fedora 11 it became default | Jul 08 20:03 |
| cubezzz | so you could run 10 | Jul 08 20:03 |
| cubezzz | if you wanted to avoid ext4 | Jul 08 20:03 |
| MinceR | there's too many half-done subsystems in it | Jul 08 20:04 |
| MinceR | and plain bad ideas like ext4 | Jul 08 20:04 |
| cubezzz | too big and too memory hungry | Jul 08 20:04 |
| MinceR | i've got memory | Jul 08 20:04 |
| MinceR | 4GB in the mobile workstation, 2GB in the netbook | Jul 08 20:04 |
| cubezzz | isn't there some way to tell Fedora "don't use ext4"? | Jul 08 20:05 |
| MinceR | sure there is | Jul 08 20:06 |
| MinceR | and then it says "nuh uh!" | Jul 08 20:06 |
| MinceR | because their craptastic installer can only copy the livecd image dumbly | Jul 08 20:06 |
| MinceR | and the non-live isos don't find themselves | Jul 08 20:06 |
| MinceR | netinstall needs an URL that fedora won't reveal | Jul 08 20:07 |
| cubezzz | well give Vector a try | Jul 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | (a bit like suse except they don't have you perform the DNS lookup manually as well) | Jul 08 20:07 |
| cubezzz | or was there some reason you didn't like Vector? | Jul 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | i'll try mepis before vector | Jul 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | vector is not fully gratis, like mandriva | Jul 08 20:07 |
| MinceR | actually much worse than mandriva, as it seems | Jul 08 20:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "This being a PC magazine it should come as no great surprise to see Linux being used by 8 percent of respondents" http://ur1.ca/0lpaz | Jul 08 20:09 | |
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| MinceR | winblows xp refuses to die because vista and vista7 are even shittier | Jul 08 20:09 |
| cubezzz | heh | Jul 08 20:10 |
| cubezzz | very eloquent as usual | Jul 08 20:10 |
| *MinceR bows | Jul 08 20:10 | |
| cubezzz | wow, these operating systems don't seem to be going in the right direction | Jul 08 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.5-rc2.php | Jul 08 20:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: KDE - KDE Software Compilation 4.5 RC1 Release Announcement .::. Size~: 21.78 KB | Jul 08 20:11 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 08 20:12 |
| MinceR | i'll just go old school, i guess | Jul 08 20:12 |
| MinceR | window managers, config files | Jul 08 20:12 |
| cubezzz | finally you come to your senses | Jul 08 20:12 |
| MinceR | no, finally the new school becomes impossible to follow | Jul 08 20:12 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 08 20:12 |
| cubezzz | I thought that a long time ago | Jul 08 20:13 |
| MinceR | i think i left the old path when i designed a configuration system for fvwm (inspired by fvwm-crystal and fvwm-themes) and realized i'm never going to implement it | Jul 08 20:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva #Linux 2010.1 is out and KDE 4.5 is almost out. http://bit.ly/9BrgjS | Jul 08 20:14 | |
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| cubezzz | no one wants to program for old | Jul 08 20:15 |
| cubezzz | well, almost no one | Jul 08 20:15 |
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| cubezzz | I still program for old | Jul 08 20:16 |
| MinceR | for old what? | Jul 08 20:16 |
| cubezzz | old linux, old hardware | Jul 08 20:16 |
| cubezzz | I still update zaurus and fc1 | Jul 08 20:16 |
| cubezzz | even basic linux on 486 | Jul 08 20:17 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 08 20:17 |
| cubezzz | the Z only has 32 megs of ram really | Jul 08 20:17 |
| cubezzz | once I realized how much ram computers had when I first started learning computers, I realized that 32 megs is a lot of memory | Jul 08 20:20 |
| cubezzz | it's just the operating systems of the world have become increasing less efficient | Jul 08 20:21 |
| cubezzz | increasingly | Jul 08 20:21 |
| MinceR | they've also become more featureful, more flexible, more powerful and more robust | Jul 08 20:21 |
| MinceR | all these attributes cost processing power and memory | Jul 08 20:21 |
| cubezzz | yes, but they're terrible at being efficient | Jul 08 20:22 |
| cubezzz | they can afford to be wasteful since they have so much ram | Jul 08 20:23 |
| Kuifje111 | if you want to go back to the basics then use a plain linux installation and do everything via the commandline. | Jul 08 20:23 |
| MinceR | if you want to go back to the basics then use a CP/M derivative :> | Jul 08 20:24 |
| MinceR | even hw drivers add their overhead | Jul 08 20:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Climategate scientists inexplicably cleared http://is.gd/dknIm | Jul 08 20:24 | |
| MinceR | and so does multitasking | Jul 08 20:24 |
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| cubezzz | you're going from one extreme to another | Jul 08 20:24 |
| cubezzz | you can use X and do it in 16 megs of ram | Jul 08 20:25 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 08 20:25 |
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| cubezzz | the standard modern distro loads in so much stuff you never use | Jul 08 20:26 |
| cubezzz | you'll see this clearly if you ever start with bare bones and just add what you actually want | Jul 08 20:27 |
| MinceR | it also loads in lots of stuff i do use, but which wasn't present in the old days | Jul 08 20:27 |
| MinceR | and i do like things like hotplugging something over usb and having the device node appear automatically, etc. | Jul 08 20:27 |
| MinceR | i get stuff done quicker | Jul 08 20:28 |
| cubezzz | I can live without hotplugging on my old boxes | Jul 08 20:28 |
| cubezzz | they don't even have USB ports :) | Jul 08 20:28 |
| cubezzz | but I still have fun playing chess or mahjonng or older dos games | Jul 08 20:29 |
| cubezzz | when people come over and see what my old 486 can do they are surprised | Jul 08 20:30 |
| cubezzz | of course I have newer systems as well | Jul 08 20:30 |
| Kuifje111 | can it run novell? | Jul 08 20:30 |
| cubezzz | if you mean modern SUSE then almost certainly not | Jul 08 20:31 |
| MinceR | why should it run novell? | Jul 08 20:31 |
| MinceR | even netware and netware lite are ridiculous | Jul 08 20:32 |
| cubezzz | it doesn't have an ethernet card :) | Jul 08 20:33 |
| cubezzz | I'm using plip | Jul 08 20:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you can give the fresh, new Mandriva a spin | Jul 08 20:34 |
| cubezzz | actually I bet I could run S.u.S.E Linux 1.0 | Jul 08 20:34 |
| cubezzz | or a bit newer | Jul 08 20:34 |
| MinceR | does it not give locale-related error messages every time a pty is opened? | Jul 08 20:35 |
| MinceR | and if so, what brokenness has taken its place? :> | Jul 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not if you speak French :-) | Jul 08 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the new Mandriva has a very new KDE | Jul 08 20:36 |
| MinceR | not going to learn french for mandriva | Jul 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Prepackaged, not experimental | Jul 08 20:36 |
| cubezzz | I can run french on the 486 | Jul 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: fauxopen source | Jul 08 20:36 |
| MinceR | are you sure there's a version of KDE4 that isn't experimental? :> | Jul 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | There's French for youy | Jul 08 20:36 |
| cubezzz | or german, or japanese.. | Jul 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: same asked for hypePhone 4, Vista 7.... | Jul 08 20:36 |
| schestowitz | No software is final or bug free | Jul 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 is the 'battery killer' | Jul 08 20:37 |
| MinceR | KDE3.5 was a lot more so | Jul 08 20:37 |
| MinceR | "final" and "bug free" | Jul 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | hypePhone has 3 major issues I know of | Jul 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Not just antenna | Jul 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: 3.5 was more mature | Jul 08 20:37 |
| schestowitz | fortified over ~5 years | Jul 08 20:38 |
| MinceR | and more featureful | Jul 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | kde4 is just over 2 years | Jul 08 20:38 |
| MinceR | and not built like a barrel of gunpowder | Jul 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: kde 4.4 has more features than 4.3, obviously | Jul 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I never used 4.0, but heard it wa raw feature-wise | Jul 08 20:38 |
| MinceR | i don't remember KDE3 ever being so unreliable as 4.3 | Jul 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | They restore kde3 code | Jul 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | qt4 | Jul 08 20:38 |
| cubezzz | and slow, don't forget slow :) | Jul 08 20:38 |
| MinceR | i've tried 4.0 and threw it away immediately | Jul 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: how much RAM? | Jul 08 20:38 |
| schestowitz | I have 2gb | Jul 08 20:39 |
| MinceR | 4GB on the mobile workstation, 2GB on the netbook | Jul 08 20:39 |
| MinceR | but the latter gets less stress | Jul 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | This new release solves memory issues for me | Jul 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It leaks a lot less | Jul 08 20:39 |
| MinceR | (yet plasma-desktop still managed to blow up on it) | Jul 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | So it hardly gets to point of memory leading to slowdown | Jul 08 20:39 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no, plasma is fixed | Jul 08 20:39 |
| cubezzz | people just want their basic stuff to work | Jul 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | It no longer goes RAM crazy | Jul 08 20:40 |
| MinceR | i seriously doubt that it's fixed | Jul 08 20:40 |
| MinceR | even if it doesn't eat increasing amounts of CPU and doesn't leak RAM, it's unreliable | Jul 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Don't use it then | Jul 08 20:40 |
| schestowitz | use another menu | Jul 08 20:40 |
| MinceR | it's not the menu that's the problem | Jul 08 20:40 |
| MinceR | and it's going to take some effort to get compositing up outside compiz and kde4 | Jul 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | ati? | Jul 08 20:41 |
| MinceR | nvidia and intel | Jul 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | should be ok with free drivers | Jul 08 20:41 |
| MinceR | i might very well end up having to give up on compositing | Jul 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | You can | Jul 08 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It's not needed | Jul 08 20:41 |
| MinceR | not in kde4, though | Jul 08 20:41 |
| MinceR | kwin looks extremely buggy without it | Jul 08 20:42 |
| schestowitz | But it's speeding up some things | Jul 08 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Like paging | Jul 08 20:42 |
| MinceR | it's leaving garbage everywhere in the window decorations | Jul 08 20:42 |
| schestowitz | kwin or x? | Jul 08 20:42 |
| MinceR | kwin | Jul 08 20:42 |
| schestowitz | x I think | Jul 08 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Doesn't draw fast enough | Jul 08 20:42 |
| MinceR | back in 3.x, they could do plain old 2d window management, they've forgotten how to do it since | Jul 08 20:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Android-2.2-Bests-iOS-4-in-JavaScript-performance | Jul 08 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | Apple is f*Ed | Jul 08 20:43 |
| schestowitz | on phones | Jul 08 20:43 |
| schestowitz | It'll just sue and sue now | Jul 08 20:43 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/07/android-22-demolishes-ios4-in-javascript-benchmarks.ars | Jul 08 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://vscompare.blogspot.com/2010/07/android-22-froyo-vs-ios4.html | Jul 08 20:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://nancib.wordpress.com/2010/07/07/looking-at-kde-and-looking-at-apps/ | Jul 08 20:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Looking at KDE, and looking at apps « I'm Just an Avatar .::. Size~: 66.15 KB | Jul 08 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "It looks like I’ll be at least making the migration from GNOME to KDE, even if I don’t leave the *buntu family of distros, so I needed to make a list of what apps I use regularly and see if they work under KDE (without needing to install libraries) and if not what apps may do the job. Apps I now use are listed in BOLD text if I absolutely need to use it regardless of what distro I use, although if I can keep the same features | Jul 08 20:45 |
| schestowitz | in a different program that will be acceptable." | Jul 08 20:45 |
| schestowitz | GNOME 3.0 is out soon | Jul 08 20:45 |
| schestowitz | I hard on an oggcast that gnome-shell is a mess for productivity | Jul 08 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Just a nuisance | Jul 08 20:45 |
| schestowitz | To annoy existing users | Jul 08 20:45 |
| schestowitz | So it's a recurring theme | Jul 08 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Move to KDE in 4.5 | Jul 08 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Or at least try | Jul 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Kate is really great now | Jul 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | It has inline spellchecking and other new stuff | Jul 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | I use kate like 100 hours a month | Jul 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Konversation is polished too | Jul 08 20:46 |
| schestowitz | Knode still not actively developed because USENET is dying | Jul 08 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Firefox nicely integrated into KDE | Jul 08 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Folderview bugs cleared up | Jul 08 20:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100707202429776 | Jul 08 20:50 |
| schestowitz | urgh | Jul 08 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Groklaw - SCO Appeals. Yes. Them Again. .::. Size~: 176.18 KB | Jul 08 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.......http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100708122052232 | Jul 08 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Groklaw - Bankruptcy Omnibus Hearing for July 12th Cancelled - What Else Is New? .::. Size~: 43.95 KB | Jul 08 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Maybe PJ will have passed away by the time SCO is over | Jul 08 20:52 |
| cubezzz | how can they appeal again? | Jul 08 20:52 |
| cubezzz | they just keep cancelling the bankruptcy hearings | Jul 08 20:56 |
| schestowitz | I know. | Jul 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | But they're SCO. | Jul 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | lawless | Jul 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | I'm running out of sinking ships photos | Jul 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Cause of SCO | Jul 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | And Groklaw keeps saying it's over, in vain | Jul 08 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Since 2007 | Jul 08 20:58 |
| cubezzz | how about a picture of a guy wearing a barrel? :) | Jul 08 20:58 |
| cubezzz | or Father Time | Jul 08 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I can't find one | Jul 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Not royalty free | Jul 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: also, it's unrealistic for people to wear a barel | Jul 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | This cliche needs to die | Jul 08 21:01 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather wear fig leaves then a heavy barrel with straps | Jul 08 21:02 |
| cubezzz | here you go schestowitz | Jul 08 21:03 |
| cubezzz | http://theonesilove.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/286331man-wearing-barrel-posters.jpg | Jul 08 21:03 |
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| cubezzz | don't say I never help out :) | Jul 08 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Is it public domain | Jul 08 21:04 |
| schestowitz | ? | Jul 08 21:05 |
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| cubezzz | don't know | Jul 08 21:06 |
| schestowitz | So I can't use it | Jul 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | There are trolls who stalk my material for copyright issues | Jul 08 21:07 |
| schestowitz | And then try to get me in trouble | Jul 08 21:07 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Debunking Myths about Open Source neglect of Women - http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=805 | Jul 08 21:08 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So how do I upgrade Mandriva? | Jul 08 21:09 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Thanks for the Vietnam Linux link. My google keyword search for "vietnam linux" is performing quite poorly. | Jul 08 21:09 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://blog.hajma.cz/2010/07/howto-switch-from-cooker-to-mandriva.html | Jul 08 21:09 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: no I am not on Cooker | Jul 08 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | on the 2009 release still | Jul 08 21:09 |
| sebsebseb | 2010.0 | Jul 08 21:09 |
| schestowitz | tessier: it can only find it as two words combined | Jul 08 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: update program tells me nothing about a new release | Jul 08 21:10 |
| schestowitz | I have scanners on like 10-15 terms | Jul 08 21:10 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and at least two people active in the Mandriva channel, but no reply | Jul 08 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Novell is also a surname, which makes it tricky | Jul 08 21:10 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: wait a few days | Jul 08 21:11 |
| schestowitz | It's just being mirrored now | Jul 08 21:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: its a joke really | Jul 08 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | I mean I know that Spring has been available a few days or so now | Jul 08 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | today is the offical release though | Jul 08 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | yeah early seeders for the torrents | Jul 08 21:12 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so I thought like Ubuntu it would tell me a new release is availalbe, but nope | Jul 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Jul 08 21:12 |
| schestowitz | it did in 2008.1 | Jul 08 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: originally I was going to vm 2010.1 to see if it was worth upgrading to or not | Jul 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | In 2009 there was a bug | Jul 08 21:13 |
| tessier | schestowitz: You mean if the two words are right next to each other literally? That is unfortunate. | Jul 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: newer KDE, btrfs | Jul 08 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | I guess I may still do that then, the ISO is available on website/webserver to download | Jul 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes | Jul 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK | Jul 08 21:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh Mandriva has btrfs as well, I guess not as default though | Jul 08 21:13 |
| schestowitz | One-word works OK, or two adjacent, e.g. "open source" | Jul 08 21:14 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: if it works for you, don't upgrade | Jul 08 21:14 |
| schestowitz | 6-month cycles | Jul 08 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: why do you say that? | Jul 08 21:15 |
| sebsebseb | I know that there will be like hardly any advantage for me in 2010.1 | Jul 08 21:15 |
| schestowitz | I used Mandriva 2008.1 for over a year | Jul 08 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Until EoL | Jul 08 21:15 |
| cubezzz | bah | Jul 08 21:15 |
| cubezzz | if you have the source you're never EOL | Jul 08 21:16 |
| cubezzz | unless you have no working hardware | Jul 08 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: why did you use 2008.1 for over a year? | Jul 08 21:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] Gypsies, Tramps, and Thieves - Selling Open Office on the Web http://bit.ly/dtgo6m | Jul 08 21:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 'Hollywood Accounting' Losing In The Courts - http://bit.ly/bREAfb and they have the gall to accuse the public of "stealing"? #hypocrisy | Jul 08 21:39 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 'Hollywood Accounting' Losing In The Courts | Techdirt .::. Size~: 56.85 KB | Jul 08 21:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] All those Anime shows you turn off because they’re too much fantastical nonsense? Pretty much documentaries. http://is.gd/dksUg o_0 | Jul 08 21:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 5 Bizarre Real Life Gangs That Put The Warriors to Shame | Cracked.com .::. Size~: 60.15 KB | Jul 08 21:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Severed Fifth Store now open! Get your limited edition Severed Fifth t-shirt! http://is.gd/dksBT #severedfifth | Jul 08 21:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Severed Fifth Store Opens | Severed Fifth .::. Size~: 19.38 KB | Jul 08 21:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] No Easy Answers in the Copyright Debate - http://nyti.ms/cA2DL7 fascinating comment from musician with nearly every piano score on a USB | Jul 08 22:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: No Easy Answers in the Copyright Debate - Pogue's Posts Blog - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 62.13 KB | Jul 08 22:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Greens call for ACTA transparency - http://bit.ly/a8Kw26 always was one of my favourite colours #greens #transparency #acta | Jul 08 22:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Rob gives us an update on the Severed Fifth Android App - http://is.gd/dkv2F - anyone want to help with the hacking? #severedfifth | Jul 08 22:12 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Severed Fifth Forums • View topic - Android Fan App for SeveredFifth .::. Size~: 20.04 KB | Jul 08 22:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] GPG key signing tonight at KPLUG! Come and be trusted! Also presentation on Nagios. http://bit.ly/bW3FIg | Jul 08 22:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @missburrows: Now reading my *free & legal* copy of Art of Community by Jono Bacon: http://tinyurl.com/mqz7oq Thank you @jonobacon! | Jul 08 22:20 | |
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| schestowitz | [21:17] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: why did you use 2008.1 for over a year? | Jul 08 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Because it worked | Jul 08 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well most versions of distros do for the desktop these years? | Jul 08 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | However | Jul 08 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | Newer is not always better! | Jul 08 22:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] A New Era of Compiz - http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/new-era-compiz | Jul 08 22:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @PiratePartyUK Mandelson wins the Internet Villain Award from @ISPAUK #ispas #deact | Jul 08 22:54 | |
| ender2070 | sebsebseb yes it is | Jul 08 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: no | Jul 08 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: depends on user | Jul 08 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | GDM 2 sucks and Grub 2 suck, for example | Jul 08 23:01 |
| ender2070 | oh | Jul 08 23:02 |
| ender2070 | well i guess for gnome yeah | Jul 08 23:02 |
| ender2070 | grub 2 doesnt suck | Jul 08 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: also downgrading back to 9.04 from 10.04, would really be like doing an upgrade | Jul 08 23:02 |
| ender2070 | I use Fedora 13 +KDE | Jul 08 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | for Ubuntu | Jul 08 23:02 |
| ender2070 | KDM and Grub 1 | Jul 08 23:02 |
| ender2070 | http://www.youtube.com/thenewboston | Jul 08 23:07 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.stupidvideos.com/video/just_plain_stupid/LEGO_Animated_Video_Games/#299429 | Jul 08 23:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: LEGO Animated Video Games and other Videos on StupidVideos.com .::. Size~: 15.81 KB | Jul 08 23:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back to SLAYradio tonight.....don't have to start so early in the morning. | Jul 08 23:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Nao sao tao espertos ♺ @mvalente: Se fosse eu,encaixava os 7.000 milhões e começava uma operadora nova no Brasil com esta visão: Kill Vivo. | Jul 08 23:14 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Jul 08 23:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] #FF @markeeeeeeeeee - Be confused, be baffled....its the unique Markeeee whose posts will challenge anyone living in a 3d universe. | Jul 08 23:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @richardjh #Mandriva #Linux 2010.1 (Spring) is released today. If you can spare the bandwidth then download n share http://www2.mandr ... | Jul 08 23:25 | |
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