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| yuhong | On software patents, what I do agree that if algorithms are not patentable elsewhere, it should not be patentable just because it was implemented on a computer. | Jul 10 00:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Wouldn't it be nice if Microsoft-watch.com became a forum for Linux users again? It was only when Joe left that people stopped reading. | Jul 10 00:00 | |
| yuhong | Kills at least a large category of software patents. | Jul 10 00:00 |
| MinceR | what does it not kill? | Jul 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | God | Jul 10 00:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin Da Costa is not a Linux user | Jul 10 00:01 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | God could not make a sword powerful enough to kill itself | Jul 10 00:01 |
| schestowitz | Cause he's omnipotent | Jul 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | So he should be able too | Jul 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | *to | Jul 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | But then he's not omnipotent | Jul 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | It's the classic contradiction | Jul 10 00:02 |
| MinceR | Ultraviolence - Killing God | Jul 10 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Because it's recursive, like god proves bible proves god proves bible... | Jul 10 00:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Eh? I think its established that I have never thought he is/was....ive written enough articles exposing him. | Jul 10 00:03 | |
| yuhong | If it is not an algorithm, and if it is otherwise patentable, I would not go so far to disallow it just because it is software or related to software. | Jul 10 00:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin yes, but he was in MS-Watch spitting out press releases | Jul 10 00:04 | |
| schestowitz | Many patents are generally stuipid | Jul 10 00:04 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Jul 10 00:04 |
| schestowitz | But I'm a software eng., so I want none of this mess around me | Jul 10 00:04 |
| schestowitz | It's also easier to write code than manufacture a phone | Jul 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't have time/desire to read patents before public static void main.... | Jul 10 00:05 |
| MinceR | vague ideas shouldn't be patented just because some old farts sitting in the patent office don't know what software is. | Jul 10 00:05 |
| yuhong | That is bad too. | Jul 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | They know | Jul 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Some are programmers | Jul 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | And they sold themselves out, like Einstein | Jul 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Couldn't find a job | Jul 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | well, they call the hacks who "work" for m$ "programmers" too | Jul 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | So they become monopoly granters | Jul 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | many of them are an embarrassment for the industry | Jul 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they are | Jul 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | They play LGO | Jul 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | After work | Jul 10 00:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz only as a commenter...there were far more Linux users commenting in those days than MS ones. | Jul 10 00:06 | |
| schestowitz | *LEGO | Jul 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | That's the hard part | Jul 10 00:06 |
| yuhong | MinceR: If you are talking about MS employees, I would not go that far. | Jul 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | as always | Jul 10 00:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Infact I'd say the Linux - MS ratio was greater than that of C.O.L.A! | Jul 10 00:07 | |
| *schestowitz would not go that far | Jul 10 00:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin now they have their own platform, e.g. openbytes | Jul 10 00:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin and the guests (comments) are the Microsoft AstroTurfers | Jul 10 00:08 | |
| schestowitz | Rebecca would not go that fat | Jul 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | well, at least there's one person m$ can impress with their "programming" | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Who? | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Cowen? | Jul 10 00:09 |
| MinceR | yuhong | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | He's nearby | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe looking for a job there, yuhong? | Jul 10 00:09 |
| yuhong | This is not only a software patent, but a submarine patent too, which is even worse: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/16/2233230/USPTO-Lets-Amazon-Patent-the-Social-Networking-System | Jul 10 00:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | USPTO Lets Amazon Patent the "Social Networking System" .::. Size~: 151.18 KB | Jul 10 00:09 |
| MinceR | meanwhile i wonder what sort of combination of lobotomy and drugs could lead to such code | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: old news, no? | Jul 10 00:09 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Amazon is also hijacked by Microsoft | Jul 10 00:09 |
| yuhong | Old news. | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Many execs there | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Even the Kindle exec | Jul 10 00:09 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | Just jouined from MS | Jul 10 00:09 |
| schestowitz | One week later | Jul 10 00:10 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Jul 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe two.... | Jul 10 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Patent deal | Jul 10 00:10 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Jul 10 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Patents are anti-development. | Jul 10 00:10 |
| yuhong | And Yahoo too, thanks to the MS-Yahoo-Carl Icann fiasco. | Jul 10 00:10 |
| oiaohm | MS some how thinks they are just anti-open source | Jul 10 00:10 |
| MinceR | who are? | Jul 10 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Yahoo is gone. | Jul 10 00:11 |
| yuhong | http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/08/yahoo-hires-another-ex-microsoft-exec-bill-shaughnessy/ | Jul 10 00:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Yahoo Hires Another Ex-Microsoft Exec: Bill Shaughnessy .::. Size~: 45.39 KB | Jul 10 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Once they stopped using their own search engine. | Jul 10 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Yahoo is just a dieing shell nothing more. | Jul 10 00:11 |
| oiaohm | We don't need to worry about them anymore. | Jul 10 00:11 |
| MinceR | yahoo is a disguise for m$ | Jul 10 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Does not matter. | Jul 10 00:12 |
| MinceR | and last time i saw stats they had a bigger market share than the undisguised version | Jul 10 00:12 |
| yuhong | Not the worst things about that fiasco, though. | Jul 10 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Key to the search business is that search works. | Jul 10 00:12 |
| oiaohm | MS search really does not. | Jul 10 00:12 |
| yuhong | "IMO the worst thing about the MS-Yahoo-Carl Icann takeover fiasco is not about MS, but how it was based on the idea of "maximizing shareholder value" (stock price) which dates from the 1980s corporate raider era (indeed Carl Icann was one of these corporate raiders), and that because it was flawed. I wrote a lot about it in my Slashdot submissions, for example." | Jul 10 00:12 |
| oiaohm | Reason why they have lost and lost and lost. | Jul 10 00:12 |
| oiaohm | If MS was smart they would have done the deal the other way. | Jul 10 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie used yahoo search engine. | Jul 10 00:13 |
| schestowitz | it's cheaper for Silicon Valley to exile Microsoft | Jul 10 00:13 |
| schestowitz | It's a liability | Jul 10 00:13 |
| MinceR | if they were smart they would not be what they are | Jul 10 00:13 |
| oiaohm | MS in their greedand stupidity have destroyed the only thing that had a chance against google. | Jul 10 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Icahn can be sent to Indonesia | Jul 10 00:13 |
| oiaohm | Basically damage to yahoo is fatal. | Jul 10 00:14 |
| yuhong | Yea, I really hope that Icann, along with the corporate raiders, to die. | Jul 10 00:14 |
| oiaohm | It a bit like android vs ipad/iphones. | Jul 10 00:15 |
| yuhong | Because the idea was flawed. | Jul 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Google does not have to do much to win long term. | Jul 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Just let apple keep on screwing up. | Jul 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Google has beaten MS over and over again because MS methods are idiots. | Jul 10 00:15 |
| oiaohm | MS is going to defeat themselves | Jul 10 00:16 |
| yuhong | For one thing, it was based on the efficient market hypothesis, which was flawed too. | Jul 10 00:17 |
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| oiaohm | http://ostatic.com/blog/open-source-software-less-feature-rich-than-proprietary-competition << This should have closed source companies in fear. | Jul 10 00:19 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Open Source Software: Less Feature-Rich Than Proprietary Competition? .::. Size~: 23.1 KB | Jul 10 00:19 |
| MinceR | yes, for example KDE is less feature-rich than windows and osx | Jul 10 00:20 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Jul 10 00:20 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some areas of Open source are lacking. | Jul 10 00:22 |
| oiaohm | Areas where near enough was good enough for a long time. | Jul 10 00:22 |
| oiaohm | The chatter is changing. | Jul 10 00:22 |
| MinceR | meanwhile most areas of nonfree software are lacking | Jul 10 00:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: true for CMS | Jul 10 00:24 |
| schestowitz | apache server too | Jul 10 00:24 |
| schestowitz | [00:22] <oiaohm> MinceR: some areas of Open source are lacking. | Jul 10 00:25 |
| schestowitz | You assume more features are always better | Jul 10 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Look wha a resource pig MSO 2001 is | Jul 10 00:25 |
| MinceR | more features don't mean being a resource hog | Jul 10 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Explain to your mom why she needs to waste 500mb writing a letter to her shrink | Jul 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | "Dear shrink, | Jul 10 00:26 |
| MinceR | she doesn't know what a "MB" is | Jul 10 00:26 |
| schestowitz | "As you can c by my lovely fonts that don't hyphenise at end of lines, I am using a very expensive (=v. v. good) word proseccing program" | Jul 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | The issue open source has is one of two things. | Jul 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Either tools are lacking features to do tasks at hand. | Jul 10 00:27 |
| schestowitz | /wha/what/ /2001/2010/ | Jul 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Or tool has that many features and the interface has been neglected. | Jul 10 00:27 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: depends what the users is used to | Jul 10 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Disappearance of known features is a problem | Jul 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Blender was the classic example. | Jul 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | all the features you could want. | Jul 10 00:28 |
| schestowitz | People who haven't these features compensate with other skillsets | Jul 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | But almost impossible to find the one you were looking for. | Jul 10 00:28 |
| schestowitz | I heard that too | Jul 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | And due to people not being able to find features they duplicated them. | Jul 10 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Some mockk the GIMP | Jul 10 00:28 |
| schestowitz | "it's not like Photoshop" | Jul 10 00:29 |
| cubezzz | bah | Jul 10 00:29 |
| schestowitz | "Scale needs to go *here*" | Jul 10 00:29 |
| cubezzz | they are just unadaptable | Jul 10 00:29 |
| schestowitz | "I can't find shutdown under 'start'" | Jul 10 00:29 |
| oiaohm | No even experence blender users were complaining about the same problem cubezzz | Jul 10 00:29 |
| oiaohm | So not unadaptable problem. | Jul 10 00:29 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, I mean for photoshop people | Jul 10 00:30 |
| cubezzz | not liking the gimp | Jul 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Gimp interface has been in need of a face lift for years. | Jul 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | And many core features has been missing. | Jul 10 00:30 |
| MinceR | what sort of facelift? | Jul 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | What they are doing for the next 1 MinceR | Jul 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | A single window support so it works sane on people without multiable screens. | Jul 10 00:31 |
| MinceR | a retarded MDI copied straight from photoshop so that the idiots who can't learn can switch? | Jul 10 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Jul 10 00:31 |
| MinceR | that wasn't really needed | Jul 10 00:31 |
| schestowitz | v | Jul 10 00:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.kdenews.org/2010/07/08/45-rc2-available | Jul 10 00:31 |
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| cubezzz | I designed a CD cover, and I didn't need photoshop | Jul 10 00:31 |
| MinceR | the fanboys are going to keep using photoshop no matter what | Jul 10 00:31 |
| oiaohm | The MDI of gimp is different MinceR | Jul 10 00:31 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Jul 10 00:31 |
| MinceR | Gimp's CSDI is superior | Jul 10 00:31 |
| oiaohm | Big thing the MDI stops is the stacked windows issue. | Jul 10 00:32 |
| MinceR | even if the adobe fanboys aren't used to it | Jul 10 00:32 |
| MinceR | what stacked windows issue? | Jul 10 00:32 |
| schestowitz | photoshops are dying | Jul 10 00:32 |
| schestowitz | They are no longer necessary | Jul 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie main drive force of gimp is the toolbox. | Jul 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | If users have trouble getting there program can be a pain to use. | Jul 10 00:32 |
| MinceR | if. | Jul 10 00:32 |
| schestowitz | photo shops are horses and carriage | Jul 10 00:32 |
| MinceR | they might want to consider using a window manager that doesn't suck. | Jul 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | New users not trained of cource going to stuff up windows layout. | Jul 10 00:33 |
| schestowitz | anyone tried kde 4.5 yet? | Jul 10 00:33 |
| MinceR | (though i'm not sure where the pain is in "right-click the image window") | Jul 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | So you need something for starters out. MinceR | Jul 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie area gimp neglected. | Jul 10 00:33 |
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| MinceR | and "starters" is by definition "copy photoshop"? | Jul 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | No | Jul 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Most programs these days are not multi window. | Jul 10 00:34 |
| cubezzz | you don't need photoshop | Jul 10 00:34 |
| cubezzz | I don't even like it | Jul 10 00:34 |
| MinceR | most programs don't handle documents. | Jul 10 00:34 |
| oiaohm | Most people are not use to the many window methods MinceR | Jul 10 00:34 |
| oiaohm | That is just the age we are in. | Jul 10 00:34 |
| MinceR | most programs don't need the flexibility of GUI an image editor needs | Jul 10 00:34 |
| MinceR | multiple views on the same document; lots of complex tools | Jul 10 00:34 |
| oiaohm | So blender get along quite fine with a single window. | Jul 10 00:34 |
| cubezzz | don't suppose anyone remembers which Xlib I need for XmStringFree | Jul 10 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Why cannot gimp MinceR | Jul 10 00:35 |
| MinceR | "quite fine" is not necessarily optimal | Jul 10 00:35 |
| MinceR | because we're used to having the flexibility of that multi-window interface in gimp | Jul 10 00:35 |
| cubezzz | it's whatever you're used to | Jul 10 00:35 |
| cubezzz | some people can't adapt | Jul 10 00:35 |
| oiaohm | Really blender has screen layout buttons MinceR | Jul 10 00:35 |
| oiaohm | So one chick change to other layout. | Jul 10 00:36 |
| oiaohm | and different area of job. | Jul 10 00:36 |
| oiaohm | No mutli window mess. | Jul 10 00:36 |
| oiaohm | And window shape stored matching up to the job at hand. | Jul 10 00:36 |
| oiaohm | Basically flexiblity without context to job is not good. MinceR | Jul 10 00:37 |
| MinceR | layout is good for different things than multiple windows | Jul 10 00:37 |
| cubezzz | ah, got it | Jul 10 00:37 |
| oiaohm | Really not. MinceR | Jul 10 00:40 |
| oiaohm | When it comes to image editing or 3d editing. | Jul 10 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Having the layout stay contant with the task you are performing is a major advantage. | Jul 10 00:41 |
| oiaohm | its a weakness that even the great photoshop has. | Jul 10 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Multi window comes into its own when you have multi screen. But Even a layout system that can expand accross multi screens wins. | Jul 10 00:42 |
| MinceR | the great photoshop, which likes to maximize your image under the palettes | Jul 10 00:43 |
| MinceR | how great. | Jul 10 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Yep photoshop interface has its bugs. | Jul 10 00:44 |
| MinceR | and where you have to move the mouse a lot to reach the menu :> | Jul 10 00:47 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Failure of 46 cent part doesn't cause WW3, but interesting tale anyhow http://u.nu/5sbzc | Jul 10 00:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Right, nearly time for bed.....got an early start. | Jul 10 01:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin that's what you want, I think: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Version-1-3-of-WordPress-for-Android-adds-stats-1034137.html | Jul 10 01:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://gorumors.com/apple-objective-c-new-program-language-ios/2753155 | Jul 10 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | ic? | Jul 10 01:33 |
| schestowitz | or iC | Jul 10 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | Bong toolbar? | Jul 10 01:51 |
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| schestowitz | iX | Jul 10 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | insecure cat is insecure | Jul 10 01:54 |
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| schestowitz | Weird.. http://identi.ca/conversation/40277299#notice-40594594 | Jul 10 01:55 |
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| schestowitz | You should marry your cat | Jul 10 01:55 |
| schestowitz | Then divorce it | Jul 10 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Claim alimony | Jul 10 01:56 |
| schestowitz | Or have it killed, say you're a widower | Jul 10 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's horrible | Jul 10 01:56 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, some lady in Germany marries her pet recently | Jul 10 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that's Germany | Jul 10 01:56 |
| cubezzz | wow, internet on plip is almost like dialup | Jul 10 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Wouldn't it hurt Microsoft's patent infringement claims if they've openly helped develop Mono? | Jul 10 02:00 |
| cubezzz | ok, so now I can directly download slack stuff via plip | Jul 10 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz Some Chromium code is MS-PL | Jul 10 02:01 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Read MS-PL | Jul 10 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | it seems like what Microsoft calls a BSD-style license | Jul 10 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | so they don't have to call it a BSD-style license | Jul 10 02:05 |
| oiaohm | Did you not read the patent coverage section. | Jul 10 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | (B) Patent Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, including the license conditions and limitations in section 3, each contributor grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license under its licensed patents to make, have made, use, sell, offer for sale, import, and/or otherwise dispose of its contribution in the software or derivative works of the contribution in the software. | Jul 10 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | so everyone that uses those pieces of Mono has a patent grant? | Jul 10 02:06 |
| oiaohm | For those parts. | Jul 10 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes mono fully under MS-PL would not be a legal threat. | Jul 10 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Particularly with MS staff contributing. | Jul 10 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not the whole thing | Jul 10 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | just little bits | Jul 10 02:07 |
| oiaohm | MS-PL code is not a threat. | Jul 10 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | stuff you can't use until you've already tripped over all their other patents | Jul 10 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Ie chrome containeing MS-PL is nothign to worry about. | Jul 10 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | A and B infringe patents, we give you a patent license to use C, but C needs A and B to work | Jul 10 02:08 |
| oiaohm | Really I prefer MS-PL to BSD due to legal. | Jul 10 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Microsoft is careful not to license anything particularly useful under MS-PL that could actually help you make a non-infringing .NET implementation | Jul 10 02:09 |
| oiaohm | Read MS-PL more carefully. | Jul 10 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Note the derivative works clause. DaemonFC | Jul 10 02:14 |
| oiaohm | Also I have suspected for a while MS staff have been submiting code to mono by stealth. | Jul 10 02:15 |
| oiaohm | Note the core of mono is already legally covered DaemonFC | Jul 10 02:19 |
| oiaohm | If the MS-PL can be spreed over everywhere else hello stuffed. | Jul 10 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Also schestowitz you missed something by MS being open in there involement this is to prevent someone taking over Novell and shutting mono down. | Jul 10 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | so much for not ever getting married again | Jul 10 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | my mom says she's engaged, wooho | Jul 10 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | I hope the third time is a charm | Jul 10 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | and that the guy doesn't turn into another Gonad The Barbarian | Jul 10 02:22 |
| oiaohm | http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html << note apache also include patent grant. | Jul 10 02:23 |
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| DaemonFC | some people just don't learn | Jul 10 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | you can get along just fine with almost anyone you don't have to live with | Jul 10 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 10 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | an ex of mine dropped in randomly several weeks ago after like 8 years | Jul 10 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'd give anything to know why people have the defective thought processes they do | Jul 10 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | "I'm here to remind you exactly why you got the hell out of Dodge the last time" | Jul 10 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | I've kind of resigned myself to the strong belief that anyone will pull a 180 and turn into a monster eventually | Jul 10 02:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Tonight I am gonna be at Slim's in SF watching Attitude Adjustment and Skinlab - will have a #severedfifth t-shirt on - come join us. :-) | Jul 10 02:27 | |
| DaemonFC | it's why I gave up and bought a cat | Jul 10 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | people always tell me "Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different outcomes" | Jul 10 02:34 |
| DaemonFC | to which I reply "No. Insanity is a legal defense in which the suspect did not know right from wrong at the time of commission of the crime, and if you don't want that to apply to me, you'd shut your damned mouth and quit lecturing." | Jul 10 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 02:36 |
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| DaemonFC | "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results" | Jul 10 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | "Now, excuse me while I go get married again" | Jul 10 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 10 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | You'd think that between Hitler (my dad) and Gonad The Barbarian (Her second husband), she might have learned something | Jul 10 02:39 |
| *DaemonFC is pissed that he has to watch helplessly | Jul 10 02:39 | |
| DaemonFC | it's like a damned train wreck | Jul 10 02:40 |
| DaemonFC | People...never...learn | Jul 10 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, Gonad The Barbarian's family set such a low bar, she couldn't possibly do worse | Jul 10 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | unless this guy has a family full of felons and even the kids are raping each other and setting things on fire and smoking at age 8, this guy cannot possibly be any worse | Jul 10 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 10 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You figure I should take this guy to the side and have a "talk"? | Jul 10 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | something to the point | Jul 10 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | put the fear of god into him or something? | Jul 10 02:45 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | nah, I'll just let this play out | Jul 10 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | If you stop someone from shooting themselves in the foot, 9 times out of 10 they'll just bite your head off for the trouble | Jul 10 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | then they will do whatever they were going to do anyway | Jul 10 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | then when the shit hits the fan, they want you there to cry to | Jul 10 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm through, sick with people | Jul 10 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | sick with them | Jul 10 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-in-foodstampfight,0,5594872.story | Jul 10 02:52 |
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| DaemonFC | More Social Services corruption | Jul 10 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | brought to you by Mitch Daniels and IBM | Jul 10 02:53 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 10 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | I wanted to Ditch Mitch before it was cool | Jul 10 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 10 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.notmyman.org/ | Jul 10 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They're saying Mitch Daniels might run for President in 2012 | Jul 10 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | I'm officially heading to Mexico if that happens | Jul 10 03:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I think Mitch Daniels could bring about the apocalypse | Jul 10 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | I dunno, history isn't kind to Indiana candidates for President | Jul 10 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | the only one who ever got elected died within 30 days in office | Jul 10 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://formitch.com/?p=326 | Jul 10 03:07 |
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| DaemonFC | "while Indiana contains only 2% of the nation’s population, the state accounts for 10% of private sector job growth." | Jul 10 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | and here comes Daniels to take credit | Jul 10 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Mitch Daniels is like the Republican answer to Al Gore | Jul 10 03:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] NASA wastes US taxpayer money to create nonfree video game that only runs on Windows. http://bit.ly/90zFtm | Jul 10 03:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Worst part about this nonfree NASA game is that it uses the same engine as Americas Army, which ran on Linux/Mac b4 MS bribed the government | Jul 10 03:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] Governments who only support Windows make the case for Wine. Look at Australia's Windows-only income tax software... | Jul 10 03:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Why Bilski Really Means That Software Companies Should Leave the US - http://bit.ly/deeZVW | Jul 10 03:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Dump Microsoft, Use Linux to Save Money, U.K. Officials Suggest - http://bit.ly/dzBCji | Jul 10 03:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Really good article by @glynmoody How non-Microsoft phones cracked MSFT's monopoly in S.Korea http://bit.ly/blCULs | Jul 10 03:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @debbryant: Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption. Congrats #mygosscon & Ms.Tan King http://bit.ly/cwpwAy | Jul 10 05:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @JPBarlow: 20 years ago today, Mitch Kapor & I announced the Electronic Frontier Foundation at the Washington Press Club. | Jul 10 05:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] [NL] Bits&Chips: Interessant interview met Andrew S. Tanenbaum #minix | Jul 10 07:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Lack Of Food Copyright Helps Restaurant Innovation Thrive - http://bit.ly/9PJINW delicious analysis #copyright #innovation #food | Jul 10 07:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] The 1930's really had some great music. This isn't jazz or swing is it? What is it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIfcKy-VcXo | Jul 10 07:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @GreatDismal: Paywalls. I've got friends at the London Times, and I seriously worry for them. Lots of people just assume Kirkus is gone. | Jul 10 08:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @lucy Made me chuckle, sadly all too true: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1883#comic @lefty FYI | Jul 10 08:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz One step ahead....got the latest Wordpress upgrade! It is good! #android #htc #phone #linux #foss | Jul 10 09:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Estradas de Portugal em crise de défice? No que tem gasto dinheiro? http://is.gd/dmwLL | Jul 10 09:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to a scene (chip mod) remix: DHS - Superseghe dell'Amore e Citofono (For Yer Heart) | Jul 10 09:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @seeds ♺ @remin: The box said 'Requires Windows 7 or better'. So I installed #GNU/ #LINUX... #LoL | Jul 10 09:10 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Forgot to say, good morning....As of approx 12pm you can add another 1 to the Linux user stats...doing an install for a relative. | Jul 10 09:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] No top 5 metal this weekend....but check out this COF esque band "Theatre Des Vampires" - Great stuff! http://tinyurl.com/dbvm7e #metal | Jul 10 09:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Never a truer word. The old techs are the best techs! "IRC, Still the Best Support Around" - http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/46384 | Jul 10 09:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Glad to just have read that #Sintel's #blender animations is mostly completed. Eagerly craving http://durian.blender.org/ #durian | Jul 10 10:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] And just subscribed @blenderdurian :) | Jul 10 10:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin nice | Jul 10 11:03 | |
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| schestowitz | "Gonzalo yesterday pointed me to a feature in the HTTP client stack for .NET that I did not know about. " http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jul-09.html | Jul 10 11:07 |
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| schestowitz | .NET............ | Jul 10 11:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/google-says-china-licence-renewed-by-government-818938/ | Jul 10 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | Do know evil? | Jul 10 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/gaming.gadgets/07/06/light.saber.lucas/ | Jul 10 11:10 |
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| oiaohm | bzip2 your download s is more effective. | Jul 10 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/07/10/uk.manhunt/?hpt=T2&fbid=z5lAUWnh3bv | Jul 10 11:12 |
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| DaemonFC | no gun crime in the UK | Jul 10 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | in fact it wasn't a gun | Jul 10 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | because those are illegal there | Jul 10 11:13 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 10 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | he pointed his finger at people and shouted "bang!" | Jul 10 11:14 |
| schestowitz | It's all over the TV this morning | Jul 10 11:14 |
| schestowitz | Watched it for half an hour before it got repetitive | Jul 10 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | they dies in sympathetic psychosomatic fashion | Jul 10 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | *died | Jul 10 11:14 |
| schestowitz | You seem cheerful | Jul 10 11:15 |
| schestowitz | That cops were shot | Jul 10 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | then the UK police showed up and he pointed his finger at his head and willed himself into an aneurysm, which killed him | Jul 10 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 10 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz No they weren't | Jul 10 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's impossible | Jul 10 11:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh look... photo of marbux... http://www.robweir.com/blog/2010/07/iso-iec-jtc1-revises-directives.html | Jul 10 11:16 |
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| DaemonFC | everyone knows laws stop criminals from committing crimes | Jul 10 11:16 |
| schestowitz | I've always wondered what he looked like after all those mails he sent m | Jul 10 11:16 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: this is a rare case | Jul 10 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, normally he would have just knived some tourists | Jul 10 11:17 |
| schestowitz | For a country of 60 million this is like a drop in the bucket | Jul 10 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | and you would go back to pretending nothing illegal happens in UK-land | Jul 10 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | or he maybe would have attacked you | Jul 10 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | and you'd go to prison for defending yourself | Jul 10 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 11:17 |
| schestowitz | You try to make other countries look equally 'sucky' | Jul 10 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's a crime in the UK | Jul 10 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | sure, sure | Jul 10 11:17 |
| schestowitz | To make you feel better about your existence in __Hunting_ (ton) | Jul 10 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | denial | Jul 10 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | not just a river in Egypt | Jul 10 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 10 11:18 |
| schestowitz | That's where the sex offenders go hunting... tons! | Jul 10 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Sex offenders don't typically use guns | Jul 10 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | they tend to be cowards | Jul 10 11:19 |
| schestowitz | They use another type of gun | Jul 10 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | pick out victims that they can easily overwhelm physically | Jul 10 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | or with things that are easy to get | Jul 10 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | like knives | Jul 10 11:19 |
| schestowitz | You have that too in the US | Jul 10 11:19 |
| schestowitz | Guns give you distance | Jul 10 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jul 10 11:19 |
| schestowitz | And highest distance is rockets and planes | Jul 10 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't hesitate to shoot someone coming after me with a knife | Jul 10 11:20 |
| schestowitz | So that you don't need to see who you incarcerate | Jul 10 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to wait and see if someone breaking in has a weapon | Jul 10 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'll shoot the bastard and let the coroner figure out the particulars | Jul 10 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 11:20 |
| schestowitz | That's not good | Jul 10 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | the state says that someone breaks into my home at their own risk | Jul 10 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | and I agree | Jul 10 11:21 |
| schestowitz | It's likely to increase mortality | Jul 10 11:21 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, let's get back to topic | Jul 10 11:21 |
| schestowitz | You're often derailing it | Jul 10 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | oh right, back to litigation | Jul 10 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | something else the UK has a perfect record with | Jul 10 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 10 11:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sutor.com/c/2010/07/mementos-photo/ | Jul 10 11:22 |
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| DaemonFC | see, in the US, I can say "Steve Ballmer is a fat greedy butterball bastard" and everyone understands that's my opinion | Jul 10 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | in the UK, he could sue me | Jul 10 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | and say I was making a statement of fact | Jul 10 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | hell, in the UK you can say that McDonalds clogs your arteries and get sued | Jul 10 11:24 |
| schestowitz | [11:23] <DaemonFC> in the UK, he could sue me | Jul 10 11:24 |
| schestowitz | Depends if you publish it and where | Jul 10 11:24 |
| schestowitz | [11:24] <DaemonFC> hell, in the UK you can say that McDonalds clogs your arteries and get sued | Jul 10 11:24 |
| schestowitz | That makes no sense | Jul 10 11:24 |
| schestowitz | McDonalds can't be devoured | Jul 10 11:25 |
| schestowitz | You could say that about burgers maybe | Jul 10 11:25 |
| schestowitz | McDonalds is just one such chain | Jul 10 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLibel_case | Jul 10 11:25 |
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| DaemonFC | there you are | Jul 10 11:25 |
| schestowitz | http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4088 | Jul 10 11:25 |
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| DaemonFC | I could say all of that in the US and their lawsuit would go nowhere | Jul 10 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | the UK actually takes SLAPP lawsuits seriously | Jul 10 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Drew's case exists | Jul 10 11:26 |
| schestowitz | There are always exceptions | Jul 10 11:26 |
| schestowitz | And the US has terrible laws | Jul 10 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Like MAFIAA caselaws | Jul 10 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana has fairly strong Anti-SLAPP law | Jul 10 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | McDonalds would have to get it into the federal court system somehow to have a snowball's chance in hell | Jul 10 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.in.gov/legislative/ic/code/title34/ar7/ch7.html | Jul 10 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | IC 34-7-7-5 would get their case tossed out | Jul 10 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | and IC 34-7-7-7 would have them pay my lawyer's fees | Jul 10 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Just left a comment there: "Professor Lessig has some good presentations where he shows how the sugar industry lobbied the government into giving fabricated/bogus food recommendations. One must also be sceptical of any government's advice wrt nutrition."' | Jul 10 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, it's common for lawyers to volunteer to defend you against SLAPP suits because they know Indiana is not friendly to the Plantiff | Jul 10 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | and there's going to be a massive bill to send to the bastards | Jul 10 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 10 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Did Gonad use this law? | Jul 10 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | so companies/people don't tend to file libel lawsuits unless the case is rock solid | Jul 10 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | which is rare | Jul 10 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | you have to prove that the person knowingly made false statements | Jul 10 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | you have to prove they damaged you, and how much | Jul 10 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | and then even if you get the judgement, they can appeal to the Circuit Court, and if | Jul 10 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | *if you win there, they can appeal to the Supreme Court | Jul 10 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | and by that time, if you lose, you still get to pay millions of dollars in court fees, lawyers fees, etc. | Jul 10 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | so the state law does not encourage libel lawsuit abuse | Jul 10 11:32 |
| schestowitz | That's good | Jul 10 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Thanks for the information | Jul 10 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of ways it can go horribly awry for the Plaintiff and very small potential damages that you can recover from the Defendant | Jul 10 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | so it jsut doesn't happen | Jul 10 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Your mom is still suing Gonad? | Jul 10 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Is that the man whose family is cons? | Jul 10 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Jul 10 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | and yes | Jul 10 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Gonad, eh? Well, she might want to keep your pistol under a pillow | Jul 10 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | That will be pretty swift I believe | Jul 10 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | he left a seizable paper trail in committing the theft and fraud | Jul 10 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | I've told her that she should file a report with the Indiana State Police over it | Jul 10 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | get him thrown in prison | Jul 10 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Or she could blackmail him | Jul 10 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Not that I encourage this | Jul 10 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | he should be glad if he only loses a lawsuit | Jul 10 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | because that's the best thing that will happen to him | Jul 10 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Many kids can snitch on a parent for driving under the influence | Jul 10 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | he could get 14 years in state prison | Jul 10 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Prisons there are not too bad, eh? /sarcasm | Jul 10 11:36 |
| schestowitz | He could do a reunion | Jul 10 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: state prisons are not a picnic | Jul 10 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | they're not like county jails at all | Jul 10 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Brbarian family reuniin | Jul 10 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | you may go to county jail for Misdemeanor check deception | Jul 10 11:37 |
| schestowitz | What's the diff? | Jul 10 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | outright fraud is a felony though | Jul 10 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | state prison | Jul 10 11:37 |
| schestowitz | /Barbarian/ /reunion/ | Jul 10 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Mainly that in jail, you're in there with other petty criminals who committed misdemeanors | Jul 10 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow roy | Jul 10 11:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | fail much | Jul 10 11:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: so no playstation in prison like they get in the UK? | Jul 10 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | they're hardly the worst of society | Jul 10 11:38 |
| schestowitz | No Sky cable? | Jul 10 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Someone I know here was once locked up for 3 hours | Jul 10 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | you probably aren't going to get shanked by a guy that wrote a bad check or pilfered Vicodins from Grandma | Jul 10 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 10 11:38 |
| schestowitz | The routine here is to isolate a person before letting him/her go | Jul 10 11:38 |
| schestowitz | And then they make a record | Jul 10 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | county jail is not murderers and rapists | Jul 10 11:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what's the matter? | Jul 10 11:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: and Madoffs :-) | Jul 10 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: State prisons are getting dedicated to offender types lately | Jul 10 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | they have an entire state prison dedicated to sex offenders | Jul 10 11:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/07/could-inorganic-growth-be-googles.htm enter the Google pen | Jul 10 11:40 |
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| DaemonFC | I guess the irony is throwing them in there and letting them rape and beat up each other for a few years | Jul 10 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | some politician must have had a moment of lucidity or something | Jul 10 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I could be a judge in Indiana | Jul 10 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Why would straight rapists rape men? | Jul 10 11:42 |
| schestowitz | That's one thing I never got... | Jul 10 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | for circuit courts, you don't need a law degree | Jul 10 11:42 |
| schestowitz | I don't know much | Jul 10 11:42 |
| schestowitz | I was never in court | Jul 10 11:42 |
| schestowitz | My uncle is a judge though | Jul 10 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | basically a circuit court judge handles infractions | Jul 10 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | civil fines | Jul 10 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'd get to decide who pays their speeding tickets | Jul 10 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 10 11:43 |
| schestowitz | tic tac toe? | Jul 10 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's the petty sub-criminal offenses that the Superior Court doesn't want to dick around with | Jul 10 11:43 |
| schestowitz | You'd just rule against the Mexican, you racist | Jul 10 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | you're more of a civil arbitrator than a judge in that case | Jul 10 11:44 |
| schestowitz | WHat's the deal with jury? | Jul 10 11:44 |
| schestowitz | It's all just a weuird system | Jul 10 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | circuit court judges may also preside over marriage and divorce | Jul 10 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Expensive, slow, with laws that are written by stake holders | Jul 10 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Felonies are automatically a jury trial | Jul 10 11:44 |
| schestowitz | And can only be reader by so-called experts of legalese | Jul 10 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | you or your lawyer decides if you want 6 or 12 jurors | Jul 10 11:45 |
| schestowitz | So that the system gets more of people's money to just parse English | Jul 10 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | 12 is the most common number selected because it's easier to get a hung jury or a mistrial that way | Jul 10 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | misdemeanors are a bench trial by default | Jul 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | [06:37:46] <schestowitz> Why would straight rapists rape men? | Jul 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Jul 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | prison | Jul 10 11:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | it _changes_ a man | Jul 10 11:45 |
| *Diablo-D3 snickers | Jul 10 11:45 | |
| DaemonFC | where the judge presiding decides guilty or not | Jul 10 11:46 |
| *schestowitz shudders | Jul 10 11:46 | |
| DaemonFC | if you file a written request, you can get a jury of 6 | Jul 10 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | who will be pissed off at you for wasting their time over a misdemeanor | Jul 10 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | and lawyers typically charge about triple for a jury trial for misdemeanor offenses | Jul 10 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Meh. Lawyers... | Jul 10 11:47 |
| schestowitz | I never needed any of that nonsense, fortunately | Jul 10 11:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh, lawyers, cant live with them, and uh. yeah, thats about it. | Jul 10 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | you're looking at about $400 for a competant lawyer if you have a misdemeanor bench trial | Jul 10 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Same with some doctors | Jul 10 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | and about $1200-$1600 if you choose to have a jury | Jul 10 11:47 |
| schestowitz | The jury can't use identi.ca | Jul 10 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Must suck... | Jul 10 11:48 |
| schestowitz | They have to stay awake, too! | Jul 10 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Best way to get rid of a misdemeanor is to retain a lawyer, have them ask the prosecutor for a plea agreement | Jul 10 11:48 |
| schestowitz | "Gosh, why am _I_ here?" | Jul 10 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | especially if you think you can't make your case to the judge and persuade him | Jul 10 11:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you have a police record, right? | Jul 10 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jul 10 11:49 |
| schestowitz | No? What charges? | Jul 10 11:49 |
| schestowitz | You had a parole officer | Jul 10 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's been expunged | Jul 10 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | according to the state, I have no criminal record because one case is expunged and the other was removed from the docket before trial | Jul 10 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | and never prosecuted | Jul 10 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Like I said, negotiating with the prosecutor is better than fighting it and losing | Jul 10 11:51 |
| schestowitz | OK, but you had one | Jul 10 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Here you would have your DNA taken, I think | Jul 10 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | the prosecutor will usually agree to have the record sealed or the charge removed from the docket before trial | Jul 10 11:51 |
| schestowitz | Are your parents not concerned? | Jul 10 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | if you agree to plead guilty and take a slap on the wrist | Jul 10 11:52 |
| schestowitz | I bet you argue a lot with them, over philosophical issues too | Jul 10 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | it still counts as a conviction | Jul 10 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | they can still appear tough on crime at every election | Jul 10 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh look, I sent 100 people to anger management!" | Jul 10 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | "I'm tough on crime!" | Jul 10 11:52 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you should change career, man | Jul 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Don't waste your brain painting | Jul 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz | And putting your life at risk | Jul 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Next to goons with criminal records | Jul 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR will introduce you to Europe :-) | Jul 10 11:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <DaemonFC> counterfeit Hungarian birth certificate? | Jul 10 11:54 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <MinceR> acquire hungarian ancestors | Jul 10 11:54 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <MinceR> (i'm not sure, i haven't read the law) | Jul 10 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I've never done anything that was really all that illegal, and never anything that was not provoked | Jul 10 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | the police choose a person to believe | Jul 10 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | I think they toss a coin and send the result to the prosecutor | Jul 10 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | honestly | Jul 10 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Here they meet 'targets' | Jul 10 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | you can't both be guilty because then who testifies against who? | Jul 10 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 10 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Like find x (quota) to send to 'racial tolerance'/'anger management' or whatever | Jul 10 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Luckily, our current govt fixes some things | Jul 10 11:55 |
| schestowitz | 'Stop and search' got dropped | Jul 10 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Unless they just rename/redress it | Jul 10 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: That would be too much sense, if two guys get into a fight, one goes and complains to the cops | Jul 10 11:55 |
| schestowitz | A friend mine got 'stop and search'ed | Jul 10 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | and both get arrested and charged | Jul 10 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Randomly | Jul 10 11:56 |
| schestowitz | White British male, no reason given | Jul 10 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they need to do some of them too | Jul 10 11:56 |
| schestowitz | To avoid allegations of racial profiling | Jul 10 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: They can't just stop and search you without a warrant, at least not here | Jul 10 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | you also technically don't have to identify yourself | Jul 10 11:56 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, I can't keep up with law changes here | Jul 10 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | what they can do is a pat down, if they have good reason to believe you have a weapon | Jul 10 11:57 |
| schestowitz | So I don't know my rights | Jul 10 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Then there;'s Toronto | Jul 10 11:57 |
| schestowitz | They pass laws _DAYS_ before the protests] | Jul 10 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Secret laws | Jul 10 11:57 |
| schestowitz | "you must present IS" | Jul 10 11:57 |
| schestowitz | *ID | Jul 10 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Technically you're well within your rights to tell the police to take a hike | Jul 10 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | if they don't believe you're involved in a crime, there's not much they can do | Jul 10 11:57 |
| schestowitz | So if you know the publish law you can stick to it and still be arrested in a cage | Jul 10 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | here anyway | Jul 10 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | well, the UK and their unwritten constitution | Jul 10 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | statute law is where the buck stops | Jul 10 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | and it can change for any reason at any time | Jul 10 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | yes, bad system | Jul 10 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | there is no constitution to defer to, the law is whatever the Parliament passes from my understanding | Jul 10 11:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's much more arbitrary | Jul 10 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | I can see why it never gets changed | Jul 10 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | the party in power wants a blank check to rearrange the government with almost no limits | Jul 10 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's how the US would be if the government was dissolved and a new one formed today I'm sure | Jul 10 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The court system is obviously not perfect, but it does stop a lot of the worst laws from taking hold | Jul 10 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | parts of the PATRIOT Act have been struck down | Jul 10 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | and will never threaten anyone again | Jul 10 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | the National Security Letter part was my favorite | Jul 10 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | pwned by the Fourth Amendment :) | Jul 10 12:02 |
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| DaemonFC | Nobody in Congress could have passed that with good faith that it didn't violate the Constitution | Jul 10 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | a statute law cannot give the FBI de facto authority to write their own warrants | Jul 10 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would have used stronger language in my Finding of Fact if I was the federal judge in that kind of a case | Jul 10 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | but they did strike those provisions nonetheless | Jul 10 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | actually, my ruling would rip Congress a new one | Jul 10 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 12:05 |
| alex_ | hi, Roy, been reading comments to the mini-microsoft's latest blog entry - found this article | Jul 10 12:05 |
| alex_ | http://rcpmag.com/articles/2007/07/01/minding-your-microsoft-manners.aspx | Jul 10 12:05 |
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| alex_ | it seems to imply Microsoft has strong cult-like mentality, at least from the tips it gives | Jul 10 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: One of the weaknesses of the fourth and fifth amendments is that other people can still open you up to police misconduct | Jul 10 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | like say you're throwing a house party and one of your guests stumbles to the door drunk and lets the cops in | Jul 10 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | a stereo complaint turns into everyone in the house being hauled off on drug charges, yourself first :) | Jul 10 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | and the evidence is still legally admissible | Jul 10 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | also, you're responsible for what a passenger in your car has on them | Jul 10 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | if they have illegal weapons or drugs, you get charged alongside them | Jul 10 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | and if they act stupid and give the police an excuse to search, you're in trouble | Jul 10 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | so quite often, even if you know your rights and won't incriminate yourself, the law gives other people the ability to do it for you | Jul 10 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | easily | Jul 10 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's easier to break the law and get away with it if you act alone | Jul 10 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose that's obvious though | Jul 10 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Being responsible for the passengers in my car has led me to check some of them before letting them get in | Jul 10 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 10 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | there was one time where I told them to get rid of the damned drugs before I'd take them anywhere and then we did end up getting stopped by the police | Jul 10 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | illegal items in a car is the dumbest place you can have illegal items, because it's the easiest and most likely place the police will search you, and will likely not need a warrant | Jul 10 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | so don't leave illegal items in your car :) | Jul 10 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | if you do need to transport illegal items, don't leave them in sight | Jul 10 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | and make sure that they don't leave a smell | Jul 10 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | cops like to stick their head in and say they smelled something | Jul 10 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's better to use the trunk for that stuff | Jul 10 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | and verbally state that you don't consent to searches if they ask | Jul 10 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's easier to avoid random searches on foot | Jul 10 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | you also don't have to carry ID on you if you're on foot | Jul 10 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/risks-associated-publication | Jul 10 12:21 |
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| DaemonFC | http://indianalawblog.com/archives/2010/07/envirnment_hoos.html | Jul 10 12:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Indiana Law Blog: Envirnment - "Hoosier consumers are likely to pay bulk of $16B for lines to transport wind power" .::. Size~: 7.5 KB | Jul 10 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | more "clean energy" that costs 100 times what it's worth | Jul 10 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://indianalawblog.com/archives/2010/07/ind_decisions_c_1322.html | Jul 10 12:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Indiana Law Blog: Ind. Decisions - Court of Appeals issues 3 today (and 5 NFP) .::. Size~: 10.02 KB | Jul 10 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | "Daniel C. Reinhart appeals his convictions for class D felony operating a vehicle while intoxicated and class A misdemeanor possession of marijuana. The sole issue presented for our review is whether the trial court abused its discretion when it admitted evidence obtained following the traffic stop of Reinhart's vehicle. Specifically, Reinhart asserts that the police violated his Fourth Amendment right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure. | Jul 10 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | "The police officers' behavior in this case exceeded the scope of a Terry stop and became an arrest without probable cause. " | Jul 10 12:28 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Terry Stop = Frisk if they think you have weapons | Jul 10 12:28 |
| *schestowitz on phone | Jul 10 12:29 | |
| DaemonFC | so the courts can and do overturn convictions based on frivolous searches | Jul 10 12:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Hd51H14OI | Jul 10 12:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Activision releases Video Game Hero http://newstechnica.com/2010/07/10/activision-releases-video-game-hero/ | Jul 10 12:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=141268095255&sid=503753853.1459925504..1 | Jul 10 12:47 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jul 10 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | I submitted my claim against Comcast | Jul 10 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | for my $16 in damages | Jul 10 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 10 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | beats letting them keep it I guess | Jul 10 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | https://p2pcongestionsettlement.com/ | Jul 10 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | Damn. I need to move apartments soon | Jul 10 13:07 |
| MinceR | why? | Jul 10 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/07/claim-your-16-comcast-p2p-settlement-now-final.ars | Jul 10 13:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Claim your $16! Comcast P2P settlement now final .::. Size~: 28.25 KB | Jul 10 13:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Just bought a Sitecom Wireless USB Network Nano Adapter 150N (WL-353). Had to get my hands dirty, but works flawlessly now under !ubuntu | Jul 10 13:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Just bought a Sitecom Wireless USB Network Nano Adapter 150N (WL-353). Had to get my hands dirty, but works flawlessly now under #ubuntu | Jul 10 13:17 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/09/jaycee.dugard.settlement/ | Jul 10 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Schwarzenegger signs $20M payment to Jaycee Dugard - CNN.com .::. Size~: 40.5 KB | Jul 10 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | "California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Friday signed a $20-million settlement for Jaycee Dugard, a woman who was held captive for 18 years by a convicted rapist who had been under the supervision of the state." | Jul 10 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | liberals | Jul 10 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | 50-to-life = 12 years in prison and idiot overpaid social workers "monitoring rehabilitation" while the scumbag holds a woman hostage in the toolshed out back | Jul 10 13:21 |
| schestowitz | [11:58] <DaemonFC> well, the UK and their unwritten constitution | Jul 10 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Magna Carta? | Jul 10 13:22 |
| schestowitz | That's where your 5th amendment comes from , IIRC | Jul 10 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [12:06] <alex_> it seems to imply Microsoft has strong cult-like mentality, at least from the tips it gives | Jul 10 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I remember that article | Jul 10 13:23 |
| schestowitz | It's from 2007 | Jul 10 13:23 |
| schestowitz | It made a lot of impact at the time | Jul 10 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I mean the UK has no real concept of constitutional law as involves statute laws being inferior to the constitution | Jul 10 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | and there is no constitution that is difficult to change | Jul 10 13:23 |
| schestowitz | The law here is far superior to yours | Jul 10 13:24 |
| schestowitz | I sense there's less lobbying here too | Jul 10 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | wit ha system of only statute law, the system is unstable | Jul 10 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | and subject to whim | Jul 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz | Unless the US lobbyists come over, which makes the more disastrous laws | Jul 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz | [13:07] <schestowitz> Damn. I need to move apartments soon | Jul 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz | [13:08] <MinceR> why? | Jul 10 13:25 |
| schestowitz | 7 years in this studio apartment is enough | Jul 10 13:26 |
| schestowitz | I need to get closer to work | Jul 10 13:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] The instructions I used to build the Kernel Module was from the German Ubuntu forum, yet included a few errors. For a seasoned GNU/Linux usr | Jul 10 13:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] it's no problem, for a real n00b it's no go (I guess). I can write a English how-to or maybe there is another way to make it more suitable.. | Jul 10 13:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] For n00bs? | Jul 10 13:27 | |
| DaemonFC | the Ubuntu page for the FGLRX driver is funny | Jul 10 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | it gives you instructions to install Catalyst 10.3 (current is 10.6), and tells you to past a line referring to the Catalyst 9.12 package | Jul 10 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | *paste | Jul 10 13:28 |
| MinceR | such online help pages are often outdated | Jul 10 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/07/10/0052245/When-Telemarketers-Harass-Telecoms-Companies | Jul 10 13:31 |
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| DaemonFC | lmao | Jul 10 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.me.uk/2010-07-09T12:54:01.mp3 | Jul 10 13:32 |
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| DaemonFC | lmfao | Jul 10 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.me.uk/2010-07-09T12:39:24.mp3 | Jul 10 13:36 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Hi openSUSE Users | Jul 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Jul 10 13:37 | |
| schestowitz | On Saturday, July 10th from 09:00 AM CET to 03:00 PM CET, our infrastructure | Jul 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | vendor will be shutting down services in the Nuremberg (Germany) data center | Jul 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | to allow for a scheduled maintenance of the main power supply. As result, | Jul 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | general network connectivity from and to the location will not be available. | Jul 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Due to a separate maintenance activity the openSUSE Build Service will only be | Jul 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | available again by 07:00 PM CET. | Jul 10 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/07/09/217246/Hack-Exposes-Pirate-Bay-User-Data | Jul 10 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot News Story | Hack Exposes Pirate Bay User Data .::. Size~: 140.3 KB | Jul 10 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100708/02510310122.shtml | Jul 10 13:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 'Hollywood Accounting' Losing In The Courts | Techdirt .::. Size~: 106.97 KB | Jul 10 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | the last Harry Potter move "lost" $167 million | Jul 10 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 10 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 10 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | "In that statement, you'll notice the "distribution fee" of $212 million dollars. That's basically Warner Bros. paying itself to make sure the movie "loses money." " | Jul 10 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | "$57 million in "interest"? Also to itself for "financing" the film." | Jul 10 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | rofl | Jul 10 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Now there is a good question where are the hackers living. | Jul 10 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Are they someone where there stolen records can be forced out of them. | Jul 10 13:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] If anyone is in Manchester on the 20th, I'll be giving a talk. Details in http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Manchester/2010-07-20 | Jul 10 13:54 | |
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| *DaemonFC is sorry the cat had to just hear the language | Jul 10 14:04 | |
| *DaemonFC jammed his thumb in the window frame | Jul 10 14:04 | |
| DaemonFC | I hope this isn't how the day starts | Jul 10 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | smashed thumb, then when you're starting to forget about that, you stub your toe | Jul 10 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 10 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/09/0042238/Microsoft-Opens-Source-Code-To-KGBs-Successor-Agency | Jul 10 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Microsoft Opens Source Code To KGB's Successor Agency .::. Size~: 145.6 KB | Jul 10 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | is this so that it can leak out to the Russian Mafia so they can make more effective spyware? | Jul 10 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 10 14:16 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it yesterday | Jul 10 14:16 |
| schestowitz | KGB has Windows code | Jul 10 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Now I feel a lot safer using Windows | Jul 10 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 10 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | the Russians | Jul 10 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | damn | Jul 10 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | how the hell did Microsoft get the US government to sign off on that? | Jul 10 14:17 |
| MinceR | NWO | Jul 10 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indiana is going to be ditching the old site in the coming months | Jul 10 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that use Windows, IIS, and ASP | Jul 10 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | Someone in charge figured out how badly Microsoft and IBM were cheating us | Jul 10 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | and threw them both out | Jul 10 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | is what it looks like | Jul 10 14:20 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: the US hasn't a good image in Russia's eyes, either | Jul 10 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | whether the Microsoft and IBM contracts were a cause of bribed politicians giving a sweetheart deal or just the Republican "Privatize now and ask questions later" party platform is another thing | Jul 10 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it will be proven one way or the other | Jul 10 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | Republicans love saying that privatization saves money, always and without question | Jul 10 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | it does sometimes save money, but it's the exception | Jul 10 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | usually you end up locked into decades long cost-plus contracts that encourage all kinds of fraud | Jul 10 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What was funny is when Mitch Daniels leased out our toll roads for like 90 years | Jul 10 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | then the foreign company that leased them tripled the cost of the unlimited use pass | Jul 10 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | and people started avoiding the toll roads when possible | Jul 10 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | so I think they paid us either as much or more than they'll be able to make off it | Jul 10 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | they're stuck with it | Jul 10 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | we could have made more running it ourselves, but it's still satisfying to see them in possession of a white elephant | Jul 10 14:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Yahoo as Microsoft’s New Home, Microsoft #NewZealand Boss Too is Leaving http://ur1.ca/0m84h #swpats #search | Jul 10 14:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I mentioned the possibility of contracting our trash pickup out to Waste Management at one point | Jul 10 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | and the mayor said he wouldn't do it because it would "increase costs" | Jul 10 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | so after a while of letting our trash pile up for 2 week stretches, he decides to double the trash pickup fee | Jul 10 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | so he can hire all his relatives at inflated salaries | Jul 10 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | to drive garbage trucks that the city has to maintain, fuel, and insure | Jul 10 14:28 |
| *DaemonFC is going to go lay down | Jul 10 14:29 | |
| *DaemonFC will take some migraine pills first | Jul 10 14:29 | |
| DaemonFC | after checking them to make sure they don't smell moldy or have metal shavings in them | Jul 10 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 10 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | E. Coli, chemical tainting | Jul 10 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | that sort of stuff | Jul 10 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | "You know that over the counter pain medication we sold you and said was safe? It has f***ing broken glass in it" | Jul 10 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't smoke pot, buy Tylenol" | Jul 10 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/07/did-nvidia-cripple-its-cpu-gaming-physics-library-to-spite-intel.ars | Jul 10 14:33 |
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| DaemonFC | "Intel finally fixed this issue with the Pentium 4 by introducing a set of SSE scalar, single- and double-precision floating-point instructions that could completely replace x87" | Jul 10 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | Wasn't the original SSE instruction set just mapped to x87 FPU instructions? | Jul 10 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | "Why then, in 2010, does NVIDIA's PhysX emit x87 instructions, and not scalar SSE or, even better, vector SSE?" | Jul 10 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | Because Nvidia is a bunch of assholes | Jul 10 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | from the top down | Jul 10 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Re: Five quits Project Canvas scheme | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > Curious that Five would join something only to withdraw when it just | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > seems to be implemented? Who at `five' is involved in their WebTV | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > strategy, who joined them, who will leave them and join MS. These are | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > just something to jog your mind. Now, as a techno journalist, you must | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > go and do your own research. | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > ------- | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > [quote] | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > Five has pulled out of Project Canvas - the development of an | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > internet-connected TV set-top box. | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > The channel, which has been put up for sale by parent company RTL, is | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > reviewing its digital strategy and does not see the project as a | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > priority. | Jul 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | > [/unquote] | Jul 10 14:56 |
| schestowitz | > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10581552.stm | Jul 10 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Any ideas? | Jul 10 14:56 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @bkuhn: #MSFT unAmerican, cancerous,virus campaign was good for #FaiF. Even helped me convince NYT to print phrase GNU/Linux for 1st time | Jul 10 15:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @bkuhn: #MSFT unAmerican, cancerous,virus campaign was good for #FaiF. Even helped me convince NYT to print phrase GNU/Linux for 1st time | Jul 10 15:33 | |
| schestowitz | Re: Get a load of this BS | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > This sounds like some BS they used to come out with in relation to Linux. | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > a. No one is using it | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > market increases ... | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > b. the fragmentation of the Linux market | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > ------ | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > [quote] | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > The fragmentation of Google's Android operating system is a hotly | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > debated topic. But haven't we seen this all before? Mobile games | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > developer, Luke Rogers, takes a look at the reasons behind the | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > Dreamcast's failure and points to the history lessons Google should be | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > paying attention to." | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > [/unquote] | Jul 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | > http://slashdot.org/submission/1279712/Fragmentation-Lessons-From-Sega?art_pos=2 | Jul 10 15:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FFII Founder on IBM, #Shazam Has No Case, #Microsoft Wants to 'Own' Page-flipping http://ur1.ca/0m8p1 #swpats #patents | Jul 10 15:47 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/07/ubuntu_running_on_the_google_nexus_one.html | Jul 10 15:49 |
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| schestowitz | Nice.. | Jul 10 15:49 |
| schestowitz | But why not Fedora? | Jul 10 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Is Ubuntu now a synonym for Linux? | Jul 10 15:49 |
| cubezzz | no | Jul 10 15:49 |
| cubezzz | definitely not | Jul 10 15:49 |
| cubezzz | I prefer GNU+Linux actually :) | Jul 10 15:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.intomobile.com/2010/07/08/install-ubuntu-on-your-nexus-one/ | Jul 10 15:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Nexus One gets full Ubuntu / Linux port .::. Size~: 52.67 KB | Jul 10 15:50 |
| MinceR | i prefer GNU/Linux | Jul 10 15:50 |
| cubezzz | the X is included at the end of Linux even | Jul 10 15:50 |
| schestowitz | I prefer GNUl | Jul 10 15:50 |
| MinceR | GLX was also used | Jul 10 15:50 |
| schestowitz | Cause GNU has at least 5 more lines than "l" | Jul 10 15:50 |
| schestowitz | LOCs | Jul 10 15:51 |
| MinceR | but actually X is not always part of the installation (servers) | Jul 10 15:51 |
| cubezzz | yeah there's also Qtopia | Jul 10 15:51 |
| cubezzz | on early zaurus | Jul 10 15:51 |
| MinceR | there was also Opie | Jul 10 15:51 |
| schestowitz | QNU/Linux | Jul 10 15:51 |
| schestowitz | Knuth/Linux | Jul 10 15:51 |
| MinceR | TeX directly on top of Linux? | Jul 10 15:52 |
| cubezzz | no votes for GNU/Hurd? :) | Jul 10 15:52 |
| MinceR | GNU/Hurd is another OS :> | Jul 10 15:52 |
| schestowitz | emacs has its own kernel :-0 | Jul 10 15:52 |
| schestowitz | It boots into bios extension | Jul 10 15:52 |
| MinceR | emacs is an interesting OS, the only thing it lacks is a decent editor | Jul 10 15:52 |
| schestowitz | Then it runs Bioshock | Jul 10 15:52 |
| cubezzz | yeah well emacs is over the top | Jul 10 15:52 |
| schestowitz | top is gnu? | Jul 10 15:52 |
| schestowitz | htop is intel's iirc | Jul 10 15:53 |
| cubezzz | this business of everyone doing things "their way" can be a bit confusing | Jul 10 15:53 |
| MinceR | i thought htop was Hisham Muhammad's | Jul 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz | the man page is huge | Jul 10 15:53 |
| MinceR | he's the guy who started GoboLinux | Jul 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz | 9. AUTHOR | Jul 10 15:53 |
| MinceR | intel has powertop, but that does different things | Jul 10 15:53 |
| cubezzz | "Have it your way ..... at Burger King" | Jul 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz | This entirely new and enhanced replacement was written by: | Jul 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Jim / James C. Warner, <warnerjc@worldnet.att.net> | Jul 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz | With invaluable help from: | Jul 10 15:53 |
| schestowitz | Albert D. Cahalan, <albert@users.sf.net> | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Craig Small, <csmall@small.dropbear.id.au> | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | 7. BUGS | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Send bug reports to: | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Albert D. Cahalan, <albert@users.sf.net> | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | 8. HISTORY Former top | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | The original top was written by Roger Binns, based on Branko Lankester's <lankeste@fwi.uva.nl> ps program. | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Robert Nation <nation@rocket.sanders.lockheed.com> adapted it for the proc file system. | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Helmut Geyer <Helmut.Geyer@iwr.uni-heidelberg.de> added support for configurable fields. | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Plus many other individuals contributed over the years. | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 10 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I don't know any of them. Do you? | Jul 10 15:54 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Jul 10 15:54 |
| MinceR | i remember Robert Nation's name | Jul 10 15:54 |
| MinceR | he did rxvt, didn't he? | Jul 10 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Google it? | Jul 10 15:55 |
| schestowitz | I thought top was maybe a gnu/mit project | Jul 10 15:55 |
| *MinceR wp-s it | Jul 10 15:55 | |
| schestowitz | bingo it | Jul 10 15:55 |
| MinceR | ...which is no help | Jul 10 15:55 |
| schestowitz | "I'm feeling random" | Jul 10 15:55 |
| MinceR | scroogle to the rescue | Jul 10 15:55 |
| cubezzz | I had to port top not too long ago | Jul 10 15:56 |
| cubezzz | procps-3.2.1 | Jul 10 15:56 |
| MinceR | Robert Nation did parts of FVWM, apparently | Jul 10 15:56 |
| cubezzz | can't remember if that was linux or GNU though | Jul 10 15:56 |
| schestowitz | effin wm | Jul 10 15:56 |
| MinceR | i was right about htop | Jul 10 15:56 |
| MinceR | hm, he created FVWM, not just did parts of it :) | Jul 10 15:56 |
| MinceR | and i was right about rxvt, too | Jul 10 15:57 |
| cubezzz | everyone gets credit for FOSS, no one gets credit for doze :) | Jul 10 15:57 |
| schestowitz | BillG gets credit | Jul 10 15:58 |
| schestowitz | Even if he wrote none of it | Jul 10 15:58 |
| schestowitz | He's not a developer | Jul 10 15:58 |
| cubezzz | don't forget John Bovey! | Jul 10 15:58 |
| schestowitz | I thought Knuth wrote latex | Jul 10 15:58 |
| MinceR | nope, only TeX | Jul 10 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Someone corrected me when techrights made slashdot's front page | Jul 10 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Some leslie guy made latex | Jul 10 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer wrote code.. of misconduct | Jul 10 15:59 |
| cubezzz | Leslie Lamport | Jul 10 15:59 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 10 15:59 |
| schestowitz | I fixed that post | Jul 10 15:59 |
| cubezzz | it's good to know these things | Jul 10 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Was any of them phd students of knuth? | Jul 10 16:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techtree.com/India/News/Google_Nexus_One_Gets_Ubuntu-ed/551-112218-580.html | Jul 10 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Brownie | Jul 10 16:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Techtree.com India > News > Software > Google Nexus One Gets Ubuntu-ed .::. Size~: 38.61 KB | Jul 10 16:00 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine showed me his hypePhone 4 at the gym this morning | Jul 10 16:01 |
| schestowitz | He finally got one | Jul 10 16:01 |
| schestowitz | He keeps it in a case | Jul 10 16:01 |
| schestowitz | Like a pair of ventage glasses | Jul 10 16:01 |
| schestowitz | You start wondering if it's a gadget or some sacred mascot | Jul 10 16:01 |
| schestowitz | *vintage | Jul 10 16:02 |
| cubezzz | it's a status symbol | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Some people buy Adidas... | Jul 10 16:02 |
| cubezzz | it means "hey I'm so rich I can afford to waste money" | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Richer ones buy expensive phones | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | Then there are mortgage takers who buy a sports car | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | And people who buy a big house before foreclosure hits | Jul 10 16:02 |
| MinceR | adidas isn't that expensive | Jul 10 16:02 |
| schestowitz | That's the cliche | Jul 10 16:03 |
| cubezzz | "A graduate of the Bronx High School of Science, he received a B.S. in mathematics from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1960, and M.A. and Ph.D. degrees in mathematics from Brandeis University, respectively in 1963 and 1972" | Jul 10 16:03 |
| schestowitz | "fancy adidas" | Jul 10 16:03 |
| cubezzz | Lamport is older than Stallman | Jul 10 16:03 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: he must be nearly retired now | Jul 10 16:03 |
| cubezzz | 69 years old | Jul 10 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Stallman never finished his phd | Jul 10 16:04 |
| schestowitz | But he got many honorary ones | Jul 10 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Stallman got distracted | Jul 10 16:04 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jul 10 16:04 |
| schestowitz | He thought he was a divine saviour of code sharing | Jul 10 16:04 |
| ==MERGE BEGINS== | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:59:56 PDT:[cubezzz] I think GNU was more important to Stallman than finishing his Phd | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:00:03 PDT:[schestowitz] But I reckon someone else would have taken the lead if he hadn't | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:00:14 PDT:[cubezzz] I'm not so sure about that | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:00:20 PDT:[schestowitz] Or maybe another set of foundations like BSD ideals would have thrived | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:00:31 PDT:[cubezzz] we might not have any GPL then | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:00:36 PDT:[schestowitz] Yeah | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:00:43 PDT:[schestowitz] But maybe Apache would still have come | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:00:47 PDT:[schestowitz] People do want to share code | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:00:53 PDT:[schestowitz] Under some terms or others | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:01:06 PDT:[schestowitz] I shared code before I knew about RMS | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:01:13 PDT:[cubezzz] bad news dudes | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:01:17 PDT:[schestowitz] I just didn't know licences well | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:01:26 PDT:[cubezzz] looks like Lamport went over to Microsoft | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:01:43 PDT:[schestowitz] why bad news? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:01:45 PDT:[schestowitz] he died? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:01:47 PDT:[schestowitz] Oh | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:01:48 PDT:[schestowitz] Microsoft... | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:02:18 PDT:[schestowitz] Maybe the page is out of date | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:02:24 PDT:[schestowitz] Microsoft loses talented people | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:02:55 PDT:[schestowitz] "In 2001 he joined Microsoft Research at Mountain View, California.[1]" | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:03:10 PDT:[schestowitz] He was in DEC | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:03:14 PDT:[schestowitz] Microsoft victims | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:03:18 PDT:[schestowitz] Whom they then scooped up | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:03:20 PDT:[schestowitz] Typical | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:03:43 PDT:[cubezzz] yes, but it's good to know stuff like that too | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:03:46 PDT:[cubezzz] be aware | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:04:15 PDT:[cubezzz] the guy who made that awesome relay computer also uses a Mac | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:05:39 PDT:[cubezzz] Yuppies like Mac | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:05:42 PDT:[cubezzz] unfortunately | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:05:59 PDT:[cubezzz] not sure if people still use the term "yuppies" | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 08:07:30 PDT:[cubezzz] procps is part of Linux not GNU btw | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:12:33 PDT:[schestowitz] "Mobile Internet device Nokia N900 - Nokia N900 deals аrе οn thе path οf being ѕοmе οf thе best mobile phone deals іn thе mobile phones market. It іѕ ѕаіd tο bе thе mobile internet device whісh runs Maemo 5 operating system whісh іѕ аn Open Source Linux distribution." | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:12:34 PDT:[schestowitz] Spam? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:50:58 PDT:[oiaohm] At long last should be able to set businesses up on a fully Linux based solutions. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:52:44 PDT:[cubezzz] oiaohm, surely that's been the case for a long time | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:53:00 PDT:[cubezzz] oh you mean Australia in particular | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:53:10 PDT:[oiaohm] I was meaning for me. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:53:14 PDT:[oiaohm] In Australia | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:53:21 PDT:[cubezzz] right | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:53:41 PDT:[oiaohm] Needing a windows machine or vm to interface with goverment has been a pain in ass | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:54:04 PDT:[oiaohm] Now if it open source fully it going to be a shocker. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:54:21 PDT:[oiaohm] Because it would be the only goverment interface in Australia fully open source. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:55:10 PDT:[oiaohm] How your country for business Linux support cubezzz | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:55:23 PDT:[cubezzz] oiaohm, it's not ideal but... | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:55:27 PDT:[cubezzz] I don't have any problems | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:55:41 PDT:[cubezzz] I do my taxes on web based software | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:55:53 PDT:[cubezzz] I use quasar for my invoicing | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:56:12 PDT:[cubezzz] one time I had to pay a parking ticket online and it only worked with IE | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:56:26 PDT:[cubezzz] I complained about it, but I doubt anything happened | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:56:57 PDT:[cubezzz] banking is fine, governemnt seems fine or at least workable | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:59:45 PDT:[cubezzz] media companies dont seem too linux friendly | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 09:59:55 PDT:[cubezzz] I talked about it with TVO recently | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:00:14 PDT:[eduardox] because DRM? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:00:43 PDT:[cubezzz] no | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:00:54 PDT:[cubezzz] because of the flash frontend | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:01:15 PDT:[eduardox] I don't get it | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:01:20 PDT:[eduardox] flash on linux is the same on windows/mac | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:01:41 PDT:[cubezzz] well let me put it this way... | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:01:59 PDT:[cubezzz] on _any_ OS flash based media in the browser is slower and more cpu intensive | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:02:17 PDT:[cubezzz] plus flash is yet another closed source lock-in | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:02:17 PDT:[eduardox] ok.... | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:02:37 PDT:[eduardox] I doubt they care about it being clsoed source | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:02:41 PDT:[eduardox] or they'd be using linux | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:02:56 PDT:[cubezzz] they explained to me that in-house video production had links to mp4 but stuff from outside TVO used the flash based stuff | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:03:03 PDT:[oiaohm] Ok media companies here fine. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:03:06 PDT:[eduardox] what do media companies want to use for streaming if not flash? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:03:18 PDT:[cubezzz] eduardox, I want the link to the file | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:03:18 PDT:[oiaohm] Stupid enough goverments own ABC is fairly Linux friendly. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:03:20 PDT:[cubezzz] not flash | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:03:33 PDT:[ender2070] they don't want you to have a copy | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:03:34 PDT:[oiaohm] Even with open source versions of flash. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:03:37 PDT:[cubezzz] they can throttle if they wish | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:02 PDT:[eduardox] cubezzz I understand what you want, but what do they want to provide? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:07 PDT:[cubezzz] well they explained it, so no big deal | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:07 PDT:[oiaohm] banking is fine here after major IE caused stuff ups. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:20 PDT:[oiaohm] Yes some I helped. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:34 PDT:[cubezzz] brb, need a drink | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:35 PDT:[eduardox] what would be their ideal way of providing media? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:44 PDT:[cubezzz] eduardox, mp4 is fine | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:46 PDT:[oiaohm] Ie bank told me I must run IE so I run IE in wine with a version that did not like IE and broke the bank site. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:54 PDT:[eduardox] mp4 is patent encumbered | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:04:59 PDT:[oiaohm] They did not like being told I was following their instructions. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:05:09 PDT:[cubezzz] eduardox, I don't care | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:05:09 PDT:[oiaohm] Ie they forgot to say OS. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:05:27 PDT:[cubezzz] I'm just the watcher | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:05:55 PDT:[oiaohm] At this stage webm has not had time to get footing. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:06:06 PDT:[eduardox] if they put up mp4's for download, I bet it would be DRM'd | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:06:07 PDT:[eduardox] | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:06:10 PDT:[ender2070] youtube has webm | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:06:12 PDT:[cubezzz] eduardox, no DRM | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:06:19 PDT:[cubezzz] not for TVO in-house videos | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:06:24 PDT:[eduardox] ah | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:06:53 PDT:[cubezzz] anything broadcasted, I can get it, so it's not a big deal | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:12 PDT:[cubezzz] it's OTA | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:16 PDT:[eduardox] ender2070 | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:32 PDT:[ender2070] i think they dont do h264 | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:35 PDT:[eduardox] what can play webm? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:37 PDT:[ender2070] webm | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:45 PDT:[ender2070] chrome/chromium, opera, firefox | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:51 PDT:[eduardox] my firefox can't | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:56 PDT:[ender2070] google owns youtube | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:59 PDT:[ender2070] get firefox 4 | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:07:59 PDT:[eduardox] I know | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:07 PDT:[oiaohm] Newer IE with codec installed. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:09 PDT:[eduardox] firefox 4 isn't final yet | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:12 PDT:[eduardox] I only run final | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:20 PDT:[ender2070] come on | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:23 PDT:[oiaohm] Basically most placed will be able to run webm | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:25 PDT:[ender2070] you can run both | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:26 PDT:[eduardox] especially with firefox | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:33 PDT:[ender2070] its better than using proprietary | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:39 PDT:[ender2070] adobe could be spying on you | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:39 PDT:[oiaohm] Inside 6 months. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:44 PDT:[eduardox] I don't use youtube much at all | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:08:51 PDT:[oiaohm] This is what I was meaning about getting footing. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:09:03 PDT:[ender2070] firefox in fedora does it btw | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:09:04 PDT:[oiaohm] webm is delayed by how long to roll out to browsers. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:09:06 PDT:[ender2070] not 4 | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:09:13 PDT:[ender2070] cause fedora kicks ass | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:09:26 PDT:[oiaohm] Most likely webm will become part of the offical html standard. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:09:42 PDT:[eduardox] that would be nice | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:09:58 PDT:[ender2070] apple will not like that | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:10:03 PDT:[oiaohm] So far no one has been able to put up a good objection against it. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:10:06 PDT:[oiaohm] Not even apple. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:10:30 PDT:[oiaohm] ogg had a few format errors | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:10:45 PDT:[ender2070] the mpeg bought out x264 devs did a biased benchmark | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:11:04 PDT:[eduardox] x264 devs got bought out??? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:11:09 PDT:[ender2070] their codec re-encodes mpeg better | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:11:11 PDT:[ender2070] they cheat | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:11:17 PDT:[ender2070] pure PR against V8 | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:11:45 PDT:[oiaohm] Look closer at V8 | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:11:55 PDT:[oiaohm] You understand why it annoys the hell out of x264 | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:11:57 PDT:[ender2070] they have to be bought out to be that stupid | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:12:05 PDT:[oiaohm] Lot of it is x264 - patent effected bit. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:13:05 PDT:[ender2070] V8 will also get better at a faster rate | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:13:21 PDT:[ender2070] no having to ask mpeg whenever you want to make things better | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:14:16 PDT:[ender2070] bigger communities | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:14:24 PDT:[ender2070] not a closed group of developers | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:15:30 PDT:[eduardox] has roy written an article about x264 devs being bought out? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:15:52 PDT:[eduardox] this is the kind of news that needs to be brought to the public's attention | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:16:00 PDT:[ender2070] not literally | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:16:03 PDT:[ender2070] figuratively | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:16:33 PDT:[ender2070] this was on slashdot already, the v8 guys debunked the x264 study | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:16:58 PDT:[eduardox] ah, I missed that story | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:17:05 PDT:[oiaohm] x264 guys just want to force google to use patented methods. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:17:15 PDT:[oiaohm] Google is not stupid. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:17:28 PDT:[oiaohm] Thinking google is the biggest host of patents records on earth. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:17:53 PDT:[ender2070] I assume they are bought out, at the very least they have a conflic of interest | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:17:57 PDT:[ender2070] conflict* | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:18:30 PDT:[oiaohm] Really what would be funny is of OIN aquired mpeg group. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:18:36 PDT:[oiaohm] of/if | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:19:06 PDT:[eduardox] it wouldn't matter if they did | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:19:15 PDT:[eduardox] mpeg doesn't have any patents | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:19:21 PDT:[eduardox] the companies that are members do | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:19:22 PDT:[ender2070] webm will destroy them all | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:20:38 PDT:[eduardox] will there be a new bluray format that does webm? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:21:03 PDT:[ender2070] I hope not | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:21:08 PDT:[ender2070] sony will then die off | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:21:11 PDT:[ender2070] | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:21:21 PDT:[ender2070] buahahaha | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:22:31 PDT:[ender2070] the x264 guys love patents | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:24:07 PDT:[ender2070] they have to defend them and if they arent getting paid for that they are rather silly | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:24:25 PDT:[ender2070] they are doing free PR | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:28:55 PDT:[oiaohm] Big thing blueray could be in trouble. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:29:03 PDT:[oiaohm] More and more items are going online. | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:30:06 PDT:[ender2070] I hate blueray | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:30:14 PDT:[ender2070] sony sucks | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:31:28 PDT:[oiaohm] What next ATM with built in scales? | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:39:31 PDT:[ender2070] these guys pass laws in ontario | ||
| Sat, 10 Jul 2010 10:39:37 PDT:[ender2070] non government | ||
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| cubezzz | I think GNU was more important to Stallman than finishing his Phd | Jul 10 16:04 |
| schestowitz | But I reckon someone else would have taken the lead if he hadn't | Jul 10 16:04 |
| cubezzz | I'm not so sure about that | Jul 10 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe another set of foundations like BSD ideals would have thrived | Jul 10 16:04 |
| cubezzz | we might not have any GPL then | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | But maybe Apache would still have come | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | People do want to share code | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | Under some terms or others | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | I shared code before I knew about RMS | Jul 10 16:05 |
| cubezzz | bad news dudes: | Jul 10 16:05 |
| cubezzz | http://www.lamport.org/ | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | I just didn't know licences well | Jul 10 16:05 |
| cubezzz | looks like Lamport went over to Microsoft | Jul 10 16:05 |
| schestowitz | why bad news? | Jul 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | he died? | Jul 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jul 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft... | Jul 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the page is out of date | Jul 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loses talented people | Jul 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Lamport | Jul 10 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | "In 2001 he joined Microsoft Research at Mountain View, California.[1]" | Jul 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz | He was in DEC | Jul 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft victims | Jul 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Whom they then scooped up | Jul 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Typical | Jul 10 16:07 |
| cubezzz | yes, but it's good to know stuff like that too | Jul 10 16:08 |
| cubezzz | be aware | Jul 10 16:08 |
| cubezzz | the guy who made that awesome relay computer also uses a Mac | Jul 10 16:08 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-Bug-Allows-Local-Users-to-Gain-Root-Privileges-146854.shtml | Jul 10 16:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Bug Allows Local Users to Gain Root Privileges - Upgrade the PAM MOTD module - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.51 KB | Jul 10 16:08 |
| schestowitz | http://bleacherreport.com/articles/417730-fifa-world-cup-2010-final-preview-and-the-winner-is-ubuntu | Jul 10 16:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FIFA World Cup 2010 : And the Winner is...Ubuntu | Bleacher Report .::. Size~: 66.63 KB | Jul 10 16:10 |
| cubezzz | Yuppies like Mac | Jul 10 16:10 |
| cubezzz | unfortunately | Jul 10 16:10 |
| cubezzz | not sure if people still use the term "yuppies" | Jul 10 16:10 |
| cubezzz | procps is part of Linux not GNU btw | Jul 10 16:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @mind_booster: Brasil took the only sane position a country could take regarding DRM:... http://ff.im/nvETZ | Jul 10 16:18 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Brasil took the only sane position a country... - Marcos Marado - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 8.41 KB | Jul 10 16:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @bkuhn I think it's a *big* help that #statusnet & #Fedora don't require © assignment to company. #Disturbing that #Ubuntu does | Jul 10 16:20 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.kansascity.com/2010/07/09/2073855/in-brief-toyotas-president-looks.html "Patent company NTP Inc. is suing Apple, Google, Microsoft, HTC, Motorola and LG Electronics, claiming infringement of the same patents that were at issue in its lawsuit against BlackBerry maker Research In Motion Ltd." | Jul 10 16:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: In brief | Toyota’s president looks to better days - KansasCity.com .::. Size~: 76.77 KB | Jul 10 16:45 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mandriva-Finds-a-Solution-to-Its-Financial-Woes-146666.shtml | Jul 10 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mandriva Finds a Solution to Its Financial Woes - Will be teaming up with IF Research - Softpedia .::. Size~: 48.63 KB | Jul 10 16:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #android is the new #iphone. Nuff said. | Jul 10 16:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer why insult Android? :-) | Jul 10 17:14 | |
| schestowitz | "Mobile Internet device Nokia N900 - Nokia N900 deals аrе οn thе path οf being ѕοmе οf thе best mobile phone deals іn thе mobile phones market. It іѕ ѕаіd tο bе thе mobile internet device whісh runs Maemo 5 operating system whісh іѕ аn Open Source Linux distribution." | Jul 10 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Spam? | Jul 10 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Looks like an oddly-placed old press release http://www.businessurls.co.uk/266/mobile-internet-device-nokia-n900 | Jul 10 17:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] بطاطس يا ناس. و الله العظيم بطااااااطس.... اااااخ, و الله العظيم بطاطس.. -_- | Jul 10 17:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @jwildeboer: #android is the new #iphone. Nuff said. | Jul 10 17:38 | |
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| oiaohm | http://www.zdnet.com.au/linux-oz-head-builds-open-source-sbr-link-339304426.htm Now this is a interesting change. | Jul 10 17:55 |
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| oiaohm | At long last should be able to set businesses up on a fully Linux based solutions. | Jul 10 17:55 |
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| cubezzz | oiaohm, surely that's been the case for a long time | Jul 10 17:57 |
| cubezzz | oh you mean Australia in particular | Jul 10 17:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Not off to see gay perverts tonight - @arkadyrose's back is crippling her. Bah! | Jul 10 17:57 | |
| oiaohm | I was meaning for me. | Jul 10 17:57 |
| oiaohm | In Australia | Jul 10 17:57 |
| cubezzz | right | Jul 10 17:57 |
| oiaohm | Needing a windows machine or vm to interface with goverment has been a pain in ass | Jul 10 17:58 |
| oiaohm | Now if it open source fully it going to be a shocker. | Jul 10 18:06 |
| oiaohm | Because it would be the only goverment interface in Australia fully open source. | Jul 10 18:06 |
| oiaohm | How your country for business Linux support cubezzz | Jul 10 18:06 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, it's not ideal but... | Jul 10 18:06 |
| cubezzz | I don't have any problems | Jul 10 18:06 |
| cubezzz | I do my taxes on web based software | Jul 10 18:06 |
| cubezzz | I use quasar for my invoicing | Jul 10 18:06 |
| cubezzz | one time I had to pay a parking ticket online and it only worked with IE | Jul 10 18:06 |
| cubezzz | I complained about it, but I doubt anything happened | Jul 10 18:06 |
| cubezzz | banking is fine, governemnt seems fine or at least workable | Jul 10 18:06 |
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| cubezzz | anything broadcasted, I can get it, so it's not a big deal | Jul 10 18:11 |
| cubezzz | it's OTA | Jul 10 18:11 |
| eduardox | ender2070: I guess they do flash, webm, and html5 w/ h264? | Jul 10 18:11 |
| ender2070 | i think they dont do h264 | Jul 10 18:12 |
| eduardox | what can play webm? | Jul 10 18:12 |
| ender2070 | webm | Jul 10 18:12 |
| -NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@cg070c.halls.manchester.ac.uk has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Jul 10 18:12 | |
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| ender2070 | chrome/chromium, opera, firefox | Jul 10 18:12 |
| eduardox | my firefox can't | Jul 10 18:12 |
| ender2070 | google owns youtube | Jul 10 18:12 |
| ender2070 | get firefox 4 | Jul 10 18:12 |
| eduardox | I know | Jul 10 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Newer IE with codec installed. | Jul 10 18:12 |
| eduardox | firefox 4 isn't final yet | Jul 10 18:12 |
| eduardox | I only run final :) | Jul 10 18:12 |
| ender2070 | come on | Jul 10 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Basically most placed will be able to run webm | Jul 10 18:12 |
| ender2070 | you can run both | Jul 10 18:12 |
| eduardox | especially with firefox | Jul 10 18:13 |
| ender2070 | its better than using proprietary | Jul 10 18:13 |
| ender2070 | adobe could be spying on you | Jul 10 18:13 |
| oiaohm | Inside 6 months. | Jul 10 18:13 |
| eduardox | I don't use youtube much at all :) | Jul 10 18:13 |
| oiaohm | This is what I was meaning about getting footing. | Jul 10 18:13 |
| ender2070 | firefox in fedora does it btw | Jul 10 18:13 |
| oiaohm | webm is delayed by how long to roll out to browsers. | Jul 10 18:13 |
| ender2070 | not 4 | Jul 10 18:13 |
| ender2070 | cause fedora kicks ass | Jul 10 18:13 |
| oiaohm | Most likely webm will become part of the offical html standard. | Jul 10 18:14 |
| eduardox | that would be nice | Jul 10 18:14 |
| ender2070 | apple will not like that | Jul 10 18:14 |
| oiaohm | So far no one has been able to put up a good objection against it. | Jul 10 18:14 |
| oiaohm | Not even apple. | Jul 10 18:14 |
| oiaohm | ogg had a few format errors | Jul 10 18:15 |
| ender2070 | the mpeg bought out x264 devs did a biased benchmark | Jul 10 18:15 |
| eduardox | x264 devs got bought out??? | Jul 10 18:15 |
| ender2070 | their codec re-encodes mpeg better | Jul 10 18:15 |
| ender2070 | they cheat | Jul 10 18:15 |
| ender2070 | pure PR against V8 | Jul 10 18:15 |
| oiaohm | Look closer at V8 | Jul 10 18:16 |
| oiaohm | You understand why it annoys the hell out of x264 | Jul 10 18:16 |
| ender2070 | they have to be bought out to be that stupid | Jul 10 18:16 |
| oiaohm | Lot of it is x264 - patent effected bit. | Jul 10 18:16 |
| oiaohm | http://www.osnews.com/story/23535/hdBaseT_the_New_HDMI_Competitor << This is interesting. | Jul 10 18:17 |
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| ender2070 | V8 will also get better at a faster rate | Jul 10 18:17 |
| ender2070 | no having to ask mpeg whenever you want to make things better | Jul 10 18:17 |
| ender2070 | bigger communities | Jul 10 18:18 |
| ender2070 | not a closed group of developers | Jul 10 18:18 |
| eduardox | has roy written an article about x264 devs being bought out? | Jul 10 18:20 |
| eduardox | this is the kind of news that needs to be brought to the public's attention | Jul 10 18:20 |
| ender2070 | not literally | Jul 10 18:20 |
| ender2070 | figuratively | Jul 10 18:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Audio quality on the Linux-powered Motorola Droid is very good, both for music & phone calls | Jul 10 18:20 | |
| ender2070 | this was on slashdot already, the v8 guys debunked the x264 study | Jul 10 18:21 |
| eduardox | ah, I missed that story | Jul 10 18:21 |
| oiaohm | x264 guys just want to force google to use patented methods. | Jul 10 18:21 |
| oiaohm | Google is not stupid. | Jul 10 18:21 |
| oiaohm | Thinking google is the biggest host of patents records on earth. | Jul 10 18:22 |
| ender2070 | I assume they are bought out, at the very least they have a conflic of interest | Jul 10 18:22 |
| ender2070 | conflict* | Jul 10 18:22 |
| oiaohm | Really what would be funny is of OIN aquired mpeg group. | Jul 10 18:23 |
| oiaohm | of/if | Jul 10 18:23 |
| eduardox | it wouldn't matter if they did | Jul 10 18:23 |
| eduardox | mpeg doesn't have any patents | Jul 10 18:23 |
| eduardox | the companies that are members do | Jul 10 18:23 |
| ender2070 | webm will destroy them all | Jul 10 18:23 |
| eduardox | will there be a new bluray format that does webm? | Jul 10 18:25 |
| ender2070 | I hope not | Jul 10 18:25 |
| ender2070 | sony will then die off | Jul 10 18:25 |
| ender2070 | :) | Jul 10 18:25 |
| ender2070 | buahahaha | Jul 10 18:25 |
| ender2070 | the x264 guys love patents | Jul 10 18:27 |
| ender2070 | they have to defend them and if they arent getting paid for that they are rather silly | Jul 10 18:28 |
| ender2070 | they are doing free PR | Jul 10 18:28 |
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| oiaohm | Big thing blueray could be in trouble. | Jul 10 18:33 |
| oiaohm | More and more items are going online. | Jul 10 18:33 |
| ender2070 | I hate blueray | Jul 10 18:34 |
| ender2070 | sony sucks | Jul 10 18:34 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Visa-recommends-weighing-card-readers-to-detect-tampering-1035293.html | Jul 10 18:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Visa recommends weighing card readers to detect tampering - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 37.14 KB | Jul 10 18:35 |
| oiaohm | What next ATM with built in scales? | Jul 10 18:36 |
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| ender2070 | http://www.stewardshipontario.ca/product-stewardship?path[nid]=1 | Jul 10 18:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: What is Product Stewardship? | Stewardship Ontario .::. Size~: 20.02 KB | Jul 10 18:44 |
| ender2070 | these guys pass laws in ontario | Jul 10 18:44 |
| ender2070 | non government | Jul 10 18:44 |
| ender2070 | http://www.thestar.com/business/article/833510--new-eco-fees-catching-consumers-by-surprise | Jul 10 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: New eco fees catching consumers by surprise - thestar.com .::. Size~: 79.24 KB | Jul 10 18:45 |
| ender2070 | “It’s not a tax. The government does not see one penny of it. It all goes to the stewardship councils to make sure that all of these materials do not end up in our landfill sites,” the minister said. | Jul 10 18:49 |
| ender2070 | They just send it off to China | Jul 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | http://techie-buzz.com/foss/malaysian-government-97-open-source-software.html | Jul 10 18:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] I have mostly been using my Moto Droid for Internet, but recently began making a few phone calls. Call quality is quite good. | Jul 10 19:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] In fact, the call quality on my Moto Droid is surprisingly better than a lot of the calls I make on ATT landlines | Jul 10 19:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Check this video out -- Armik - Una Guitarra http://youtu.be/Hj42YsBpQPQ | Jul 10 19:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Backs from inlaws. Chalk another Linux installation Ive done. A very happy Linux relative now.... | Jul 10 19:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.585.1 | Jul 10 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | "This was an attempt to exploit a vulnerability in an older version of e107. We're protected against that exploit, but the sheer volume of requests -- literally millions, coming from thousands of IP addresses -- was enough to bring our server down." | Jul 10 19:26 |
| cubezzz | Goodbyte Microsoft needs a bigger font | Jul 10 19:28 |
| cubezzz | Goodbye even :) | Jul 10 19:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.againstmonopoly.org/index.php?perm=593056000000003221 | Jul 10 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | "However the comments sidebar is getting taking over by gratuitous exchanges of insults rather than intellectual commentary on whatever side or point" | Jul 10 19:29 |
| cubezzz | hey, Goodbyte could be a cool name for a linux distro :) | Jul 10 19:30 |
| cubezzz | is that Monopoly figure public domain? :) | Jul 10 19:31 |
| cubezzz | anyways, those sites aren't very interesting | Jul 10 19:32 |
| cubezzz | I care about the utility of Linux | Jul 10 19:32 |
| cubezzz | programming, porting, learning, that sort of thing | Jul 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8515 | Jul 10 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't know dmarti managed it | Jul 10 19:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I just unlocked the "Newbie" badge on @foursquare! http://4sq.com/9nDaZT | Jul 10 19:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at My Home (front street, slip end, luton). http://4sq.com/c7RyEu | Jul 10 19:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] False advertising. [IMG] http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1227_signs.jpg | Jul 10 19:38 | |
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| cubezzz | pretty good article that one schestowitz | Jul 10 19:43 |
| cubezzz | 8515 | Jul 10 19:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Rocknerd: Rock video. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2010/07/10/rock-video/ | Jul 10 19:50 | |
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| cubezzz | I wonder if one can still get a CRT | Jul 10 19:51 |
| cubezzz | or a LCD that really can do 320x200 | Jul 10 19:51 |
| MinceR | http://nirmukta.com/2010/06/16/everybody-bake-jesus-day-facebook-event/ http://nirmukta.com/2010/07/09/slideshow-celebrating-everybody-bake-jesus-day-around-the-world/ | Jul 10 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | New toy for ryan: http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/06/pl_motor_assaultbreacher/ | Jul 10 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | cubezzz: I have two CRTs I can give you | Jul 10 20:02 |
| *schestowitz throws | Jul 10 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | "catch!!" | Jul 10 20:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: "Everybody Bake Jesus Day was celebrated on July 3rd, 2010, to protest the Spanish government’s violation of musician Javier Krahe’s freedom of speech." | Jul 10 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Jul 10 20:03 |
| schestowitz | I don't think anyone will get beheaded for it | Jul 10 20:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Wow! Very nice 1:1 by URU! #wclive | Jul 10 20:04 | |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 10 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Didn't he ask for it? | Jul 10 20:05 |
| MinceR | indeed he did | Jul 10 20:05 |
| schestowitz | The whole "drink my flood, eat my flesh" thing? | Jul 10 20:05 |
| schestowitz | It's an OK response to Draw Mohammed Day | Jul 10 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Although they don't draw the connection in that pages | Jul 10 20:06 |
| schestowitz | *page (and govt. won't block sites over this) | Jul 10 20:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/08/microsoft_patent_deal_denso/ | Jul 10 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft inks patent deal with yet another car tech firm • The Register .::. Size~: 27.62 KB | Jul 10 20:06 |
| schestowitz | http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/08/parasitic-tort-lawyers | Jul 10 20:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Parasitic Tort Lawyers - Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 321.38 KB | Jul 10 20:17 |
| schestowitz | "This is why I call lawyers "parasites." C-sections are bad for lots of reasons. They cost much more, they require a longer hospital stay, and they are riskier to the woman." | Jul 10 20:17 |
| MinceR | lawyers are parasites because they created and maintain a system that only serves to let them take money from the rest of society and to perpetrate the need for themselves | Jul 10 20:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @HomerJSimpson: Bart asked for a vuvuzela (dunno) but Bart said it supports the World Cup’s international spirit of peace, so I said yes | Jul 10 20:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] If the rumoured HTC Gold is going to be a Windows 7 phone, that will be a mistake for HTC in my opinion #microsoft #htc #mvp | Jul 10 20:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lets hope HTC release with Android too..or is this part of the Microsoft/HTC "deal" whose details were never disclosed? #microsoft #htc #mvp | Jul 10 20:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Look at previous comments RE: Winmob....look at the #kin...do people really want at #microsoft phone? I don't think so. | Jul 10 20:28 | |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: http://plope.com/Members/chrism/25_years_of_the_model_m | Jul 10 20:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: plope - 25 Years of the Model M .::. Size~: 22.27 KB | Jul 10 20:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin Vista Phone 7 doesn't even exist yet | Jul 10 20:31 | |
| cubezzz | yes, 25 years and still working is good | Jul 10 20:40 |
| cubezzz | my keyboard has exactly the same layout | Jul 10 20:42 |
| cubezzz | found an LCD that can do 320x200 | Jul 10 20:51 |
| cubezzz | no analog capability though | Jul 10 20:54 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/co36u/al_jazeera_found_that_stoplights_that_lead_to/ | Jul 10 20:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Al Jazeera found that stoplights that lead to Jewish settlements and neighbourhoods stay green for an average of a minute and a half. In Palestinian areas, it's 20 seconds. One light in predominantly Arab East Jerusalem is green for less than 10 seconds : worldnews .::. Size~: 157.51 KB | Jul 10 20:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I know, but previous experiences of Winmob and the failure of kin are enough to put anyone off. | Jul 10 20:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Remember my experiences of Winmob? I wrote enough about them....horrible. | Jul 10 20:57 | |
| cubezzz | evidently the Hitachi SuperScan Elite 751 was the best CRT ever made | Jul 10 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3892086/Tech-Comics-Geo-Gadgets-in-2015.htm | Jul 10 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tech Comics: "Geo-Gadgets in 2015" — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 59.47 KB | Jul 10 21:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin maybe they try to make the Android-based Incredible *look* better (by offering another f'KIN phone) | Jul 10 21:14 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.nutyx.org/ | Jul 10 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: NuTyX : Distribution linux francophone. .::. Size~: 8.03 KB | Jul 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Selling Linux with a chick? | Jul 10 21:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Paul did it again. #wclive but I still believe in #OranjeFTW. | Jul 10 21:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] [NL] Be | Jul 10 21:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] [NL] Heeft alle ramen open staan en een grote ventilator aan. Helpt geen ene moer. Gaat maar weer verkoeling onder de douche zoeken. | Jul 10 21:53 | |
| DaemonFC | I finally got the debit card from the new bank. It is purple. | Jul 10 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Jul 10 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 10 21:55 |
| *DaemonFC may offer to drive to Minnesota to pick up the rest of his account items :P | Jul 10 21:56 | |
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| josex | this is probably "old" news, but http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/10/brazils-copyright-la.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+boingboing/iBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 | Jul 10 22:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Brazil's copyright law forbids using DRM to block fair use - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 36.4 KB | Jul 10 22:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] [NL] Hoor het heel ver weg donderen, gaat aan Maastricht voorbij trekken http://tinyurl.com/33vrps7 | Jul 10 22:14 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Weer: Weer per plaats - het weer voor Maastricht, Nederland .::. Size~: 63.43 KB | Jul 10 22:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] [NL] Weerbericht schijnbaar verkeerd geïnterpreteerd. Onweer komt dichter bij. Laat maar komen, zit met smacht te wachten op verkoeling :-) | Jul 10 22:21 | |
| DaemonFC | I'm getting SMTP Not Available errors on my Hotmail | Jul 10 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | wonderful | Jul 10 22:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] NCR foss guys, join the mission - "Project 60 Hour FOSS video Tutorial" - http://lug-iitd.org/60_Hr_FOSS_Video_Tutorial #foss #ncr | Jul 10 22:30 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 60 Hr FOSS Video Tutorial - LUG@IITD .::. Size~: 10.13 KB | Jul 10 22:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Today, Web contains total 1.2 Lakh Document in Open Standards. #odt #odp #openoffice http://tinyurl.com/3a8p392 | Jul 10 22:50 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: filetype:odt OR filetype:ods OR filetype:odp - Google Search .::. Size~: 36.03 KB | Jul 10 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | apparently Microsoft has disabled STARTLS and you have to send your password in plain text now | Jul 10 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | so much for security | Jul 10 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.toptechnews.com/story.xhtml?story_id=022001YM11PS | Jul 10 22:58 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: CIO Issues - Hotmail Overhaul Adds Spam Fix, New Features .::. Size~: 50.24 KB | Jul 10 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | turning off security is a feature? | Jul 10 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/failure-isnt-an-option-its-integrated-into-the-new-hotmail/ | Jul 10 23:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Failure isnt an option, its integrated into the new Hotmail « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 37.83 KB | Jul 10 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Hotmail is melting | Jul 10 23:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] mmm...should I get into Foursquare and have another social networking product to worry about? | Jul 10 23:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Please don't abuse identi.ca or twitter for your personal bitchfests. Move them to IM services and don't get the rest of us sucked into it. | Jul 10 23:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ml2mst Pls don't abuse identi.ca or twitter for your personal bitchfests. Move them to IM services and don't get the rest of us sucked | Jul 10 23:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Theres one #mvp who seems rather worried at the suggestion of the UK moving to FOSS. He's claiming theres been many failed migrations?!?! | Jul 10 23:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Of course he won't say what. He sure is trying to keep his #mvp award....oh dear... Try harder "Lucy Buntu"! | Jul 10 23:32 | |
| *MikeC (5acce598@gateway/web/freenode/ip.90.204.229.152) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 10 23:53 | |
| MikeC | Hey Roy, spill info for you | Jul 10 23:54 |
| MikeC | http://usahitman.com/?p=9243 | Jul 10 23:54 |
| *MikeC is now known as Guest70865 | Jul 10 23:54 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Biggest Document With Everything From the Oil Spill in the Gulf | USAHM News | The Media Hitman Has Arrived. Classified Information, and a Conspiracy? .::. Size~: 411.53 KB | Jul 10 23:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: We have just recruited our new bassist, completing the Severed Fifth line-up. Bring on the live shows! #severedfifth | Jul 10 23:58 | |
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