IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: July 12th, 2010

DaemonFC	http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154477/?tab=related	Jul 12 00:03
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sebsebseb	schestowitz: DaemonFC uh what @ the Canonical branding thing? Or I guess I have to listen to the MP3 to understand.	Jul 12 00:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out my review (spoilers included) of Predators http://tinyurl.com/2dmwllj #predators #scifi #movies		Jul 12 00:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/cvN40o roflcopter		Jul 12 00:06
TechrightsBot	Title: Indiana moves ex-cons from motel over sex club - chicagotribune.com .::. Size~: 121.31 KB	Jul 12 00:06
DaemonFC	"The Indiana prison system has used federal funding since 2006 to house some sex offenders after they're released from prison in motels across the state. " the hell......?	Jul 12 00:07
DaemonFC	that's a great idea	Jul 12 00:07
DaemonFC	hey, I think I figured out why kids get abducted at motels!	Jul 12 00:07
*DaemonFC facepalms		Jul 12 00:07
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DaemonFC	sebsebseb: I had an idea	Jul 12 00:11
DaemonFC	you know those rfid chips they want to start implanting in kids at birth so the government can track them for life?	Jul 12 00:11
DaemonFC	why can't they rig up a shock collar that sex offenders have to wear, that senses if they get too close to a kid	Jul 12 00:12
DaemonFC	and shocks the hell out of them and notifies the police? :)	Jul 12 00:12
schestowitz	tessier: I want to give you login credentials for WordPress	Jul 12 00:12
schestowitz	I'm on and off for the coming week, so might need someone to have access just in case	Jul 12 00:13
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Or perhaps those mine detecting monkeys that Morocco offered the US government	Jul 12 00:13
ianto	DaemonFC: Brilliant idea however I've never heard of RFID tagging kids yet	Jul 12 00:13
DaemonFC	you figure they could be retasked to follow sex offenders and shock them if they get too close to a kid?	Jul 12 00:14
DaemonFC	B-)	Jul 12 00:14
DaemonFC	ianto: Rich parents are doing that	Jul 12 00:14
DaemonFC	it's some RFID/GPS combo thing that they tag their kids with	Jul 12 00:14
ianto	Waste of money imho	Jul 12 00:14
DaemonFC	yeah, until the kid gets abducted and the FBI knows whose door to break down :)	Jul 12 00:15
schestowitz	DaemonFC: the US shipped ordinary Americans to Africa?	Jul 12 00:15
DaemonFC	besides, it's their money to waste I guess	Jul 12 00:15
DaemonFC	schestowitz: We control most African governments	Jul 12 00:15
DaemonFC	we could probably deport our sex offenders there	Jul 12 00:16
schestowitz	I know	Jul 12 00:16
schestowitz	Through bodies like IMF	Jul 12 00:16
DaemonFC	or maybe just put them all on rafts and make them paddle to Cuba	Jul 12 00:16
schestowitz	And your hedge funds, e.g. Elliot	Jul 12 00:16
schestowitz	DaemonFC: you seem proud of it	Jul 12 00:16
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I'd get some shit taken care of if I was the President B-)	Jul 12 00:17
tessier	schestowitz: Ok.	Jul 12 00:17
DaemonFC	you know buried in all that anti-terrorism legislation, it lets the President go through DHS to revoke the citizenship of anyone not born in the US?	Jul 12 00:17
schestowitz	DaemonFC: TJ has new videos:	Jul 12 00:17
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgmIiM1P9ko&feature=digest	Jul 12 00:17
DaemonFC	I'd use that on foreign born criminals	Jul 12 00:17
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8eE6k5ktYo&feature=digest	Jul 12 00:17
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schestowitz	very funny	Jul 12 00:17
DaemonFC	you know, like New Zealand does	Jul 12 00:17
DaemonFC	we have enough problems without importing them from the rest of the world	Jul 12 00:18
schestowitz	DaemonFC: rush speaks just like you:	Jul 12 00:19
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtL0QQxRzR4&feature=digest	Jul 12 00:19
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schestowitz	And proud of it	Jul 12 00:19
schestowitz	Then blames Obama of ruining America, of course.. :-	Jul 12 00:19
DaemonFC	the US Constitution makes a clear distinction between "natural born citizen" and "naturalized citizen"	Jul 12 00:19
DaemonFC	that's why they didn't go as far as to give the President the ability to revoke MY citizenship	Jul 12 00:19
DaemonFC	it would be less likely to hold up in the court system	Jul 12 00:19
DaemonFC	it says the naturalization process is to be defined by statutory law	Jul 12 00:20
DaemonFC	which means that naturalized citizenship could theoretically be removed	Jul 12 00:20
DaemonFC	I don't know that it's ever been tested though	Jul 12 00:21
DaemonFC	but the constitutional protection of naturalized citizens is likely not as strong	Jul 12 00:21
DaemonFC	because if they can revoke it and deport you, well, yeah....	Jul 12 00:21
DaemonFC	and again, nobody bitches about New Zealand having that policy, AND using it	Jul 12 00:22
DaemonFC	they don't want to import trouble makers	Jul 12 00:22
DaemonFC	and neither should the United States	Jul 12 00:22
schestowitz	tessier: treed is now an administrator (God mode)	Jul 12 00:23
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I would introduce a bill providing for the revocation and deportation of any naturalized US citizen that has committed a Class A, B, or C felony under the laws of the Federal or State systems.	Jul 12 00:24
DaemonFC	and mandatory expedition of such revocation and deportation	Jul 12 00:24
schestowitz	The sie has 3400 registered users	Jul 12 00:24
DaemonFC	through a limited appeals process	Jul 12 00:24
schestowitz	deportation to where?	Jul 12 00:24
schestowitz	Fugitives?	Jul 12 00:25
DaemonFC	i.e., you can appeal it once, and the court has to make up their mind within 6 months	Jul 12 00:25
DaemonFC	schestowitz: If they are dual citizens, that's an easy one	Jul 12 00:25
schestowitz	I used to think Rush was right wing	Jul 12 00:25
schestowitz	Then I listened to you	Jul 12 00:25
DaemonFC	return to sender, and ban from reentry into the US	Jul 12 00:25
schestowitz	dual citizens won't commit crimes	Jul 12 00:26
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schestowitz	They are usually better behaved	Jul 12 00:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UNIX Love of Ransom: Proprietary hypePhone, Novell, SCO http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/unix-and-proprietary/		Jul 12 00:26
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: I would also introduce a bill to revoke diplomatic immunity from all felony offenses and Class A or Class 1 Misdemeanors.	Jul 12 00:26
DaemonFC	B-)	Jul 12 00:26
DaemonFC	my thinking on that is that if you commit a crime of that nature, common sense would tell you it was against the law even if you're unfamiliar with the law	Jul 12 00:27
DaemonFC	schestowitz: I would also like to see illegal immigrants who are caught hit with a $50,000 fine, to be extracted from their employer.	Jul 12 00:29
DaemonFC	:D	Jul 12 00:29
DaemonFC	right now, employers are happy to view a possible $500 fine as a cost of doing business	Jul 12 00:30
DaemonFC	the feds round up 100 illegals and you still only owe $50,000 in fines for all 100 of them	Jul 12 00:30
DaemonFC	$50,000 for every individual illegal immigrant would create a liability that most employers would find unacceptable	Jul 12 00:31
tessier	DaemonFC: Why would an illegal immigrant tell you who their employer is?	Jul 12 00:31
DaemonFC	hell, it would drive most of them out of business if they tried it just once	Jul 12 00:31
DaemonFC	because most crackdowns happen at the location of employment	Jul 12 00:32
tessier	I would actually like to see huge fines levied against employers also.	Jul 12 00:32
tessier	Because it would put a stop to the practice, temporarily hose our economy, and then we would get meaningful reform.	Jul 12 00:32
DaemonFC	tessier: Say the feds raid a meat packing plant that has 200 illegal immigrants working there.	Jul 12 00:32
DaemonFC	Right now, they have a $100,000 fine on their hands	Jul 12 00:32
tessier	Right	Jul 12 00:32
DaemonFC	under my system, they would have a $10 million fine	Jul 12 00:33
tessier	Ok by me.	Jul 12 00:33
tessier	But neither Republicans nor Democrats are going for it.	Jul 12 00:33
DaemonFC	yes, they both like illegal immigration	Jul 12 00:33
DaemonFC	for different reasons	Jul 12 00:33
tessier	And their constituents like it.	Jul 12 00:34
DaemonFC	the last level of government where you can expect any non-corrupt politicians is at state level	Jul 12 00:34
tessier	So what's the problem with it, again?	Jul 12 00:34
DaemonFC	and that's why you have Arizona's new law	Jul 12 00:34
tessier	Are any of AZ's congressman pushing for the sort of fines you are talking about?	Jul 12 00:34
DaemonFC	unfortunately not	Jul 12 00:35
DaemonFC	the feds pretend they're covering the fining system too	Jul 12 00:36
DaemonFC	http://www.californiaemploymentattorneyblog.com/2010/06/employers-face-stringent-penalties-for-knowingly-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html	Jul 12 00:36
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DaemonFC	" In the past nine months, 65 employers have been arrested and 109 companies have been fined a total of about $3 million"	Jul 12 00:36
DaemonFC	woohoo	Jul 12 00:36
DaemonFC	a while $3 million fine spread between 109 companies	Jul 12 00:36
DaemonFC	that'll sure teach them.... :P	Jul 12 00:36
DaemonFC	http://www.coffeecup.com/free-editor/	Jul 12 00:41
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DaemonFC	works well in Wine	Jul 12 00:41
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Rush Limbaugh is crazy	Jul 12 00:55
DaemonFC	he pushes for things the Constitution and laws obviously would not allow	Jul 12 00:56
DaemonFC	which makes him look retarded as well	Jul 12 00:56
DaemonFC	if it's "Constitutional" to assess a million dollar fine per MP3, it'	Jul 12 00:56
DaemonFC	it's constitutional to fine an employer $50,000 per illegal alien	Jul 12 00:56
DaemonFC	the courts are really screwing up unrelated things if they allow million dollar MP3 fines	Jul 12 00:57
DaemonFC	that's why the federal judges are reducing the damages to like $2,400 each and inventing constitutional protections that really don't exist	Jul 12 00:58
DaemonFC	they know that if it's constitutionally legal to fine an MP3 download at a million dollars, it's constitutional to fine someone a million dollars for spitting on the sidewalk	Jul 12 00:58
DaemonFC	they know exactly what kind of damage could be done if they allow the RIAA's insanity to pass	Jul 12 00:59
DaemonFC	courts are typically careful when they set precedent that could apply to many other areas of law	Jul 12 00:59
DaemonFC	that's why they are not letting the million dollar per MP3 judgments stand	Jul 12 01:00
DaemonFC	personally, I think $1,000 speeding tickets are probably excessive in many cases where they're written	Jul 12 01:01
DaemonFC	but the courts affirm those	Jul 12 01:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Wins, Even on Desktops (and I’m Taking a Break) http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/on-pure-gnu-linux-advocacy/ signing off tomorrow		Jul 12 01:27
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schestowitz	The trolls tend to misuse my photos when I upload them	Jul 12 01:28
DaemonFC	ahem....	Jul 12 01:32
DaemonFC	"Roy is standing in front of Coca Cola umbrellas"	Jul 12 01:32
DaemonFC	"Some people say that Coca Cola murders union organizers in South America"	Jul 12 01:33
DaemonFC	"Therefore, some people would argue that Roy murders South American union organizers for Coca Cola"	Jul 12 01:33
DaemonFC	"Or at the very least, supports doing it"	Jul 12 01:33
DaemonFC	B-)	Jul 12 01:33
schestowitz	I wasn't aware of these items when the photo was taken	Jul 12 01:34
DaemonFC	uh huh	Jul 12 01:34
DaemonFC	:P	Jul 12 01:34
DaemonFC	murderer!	Jul 12 01:34
DaemonFC	hehe	Jul 12 01:34
schestowitz	It's really just an eye sore in a beach... not as bad as BP's	Jul 12 01:34
DaemonFC	schestowitz: Did you know that Florida has an East Coast where oil isn't washing up and killing everything and everyone?	Jul 12 01:35
DaemonFC	Did you know that this represents almsot half of Florida's beaches?	Jul 12 01:35
DaemonFC	*This message brought to you by the Florida Tourism Board and BP	Jul 12 01:36
DaemonFC	hehe'	Jul 12 01:36
schestowitz	http://tinyogg.com/watch/T8SKS/	Jul 12 01:36
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schestowitz	DaemonFC: yes, I saw videos about Florida and posted them here	Jul 12 01:36
schestowitz	They use PR liars	Jul 12 01:36
schestowitz	Money before safety	Jul 12 01:36
DaemonFC	yeah	Jul 12 01:37
DaemonFC	I saw those commercials and it just screamed "Ignore the 300 miles of beach where oil IS killing everything and just use the other side of the state!"	Jul 12 01:37
schestowitz	http://tinyogg.com/watch/tqlT2/	Jul 12 01:38
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DaemonFC	"Don't let dying whales, dolphins, sea turtles, and who knows what else ruin your summer fun, just use the other side of the state!"	Jul 12 01:38
DaemonFC	schestowitz: The last Pirates of the Caribbean movie left off with them heading for Florida.	Jul 12 01:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Best Tech Guy caller EVER with Leo Laporte http://tinyogg.com/watch/tqlT2/ Hilarious		Jul 12 01:40
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DaemonFC	"Don't ride the Sea Turtles, mate! There be no more of 'em here!" "Argggh!!!"	Jul 12 01:41
DaemonFC	If God intended for a little oil spill that's killing everything in the Gulf to ruin our fun in Florida, he wouldn't have made beaches on the other side of the state...	Jul 12 01:42
DaemonFC	:P	Jul 12 01:42
schestowitz	'Intelligent' 'design'	Jul 12 01:52
DaemonFC	hmmm	Jul 12 01:55
DaemonFC	Catalyst 10.6 has landed in Mandriva 2010.1 backports	Jul 12 01:55
DaemonFC	now I might have an excuse to try it out	Jul 12 01:55
DaemonFC	I've been waiting for a distro to properly support Catalyst 10.6	Jul 12 01:55
DaemonFC	due to the godawful old 2d acceleration that it replaces	Jul 12 01:56
schestowitz	x was better in previous distro...	Jul 12 01:58
schestowitz	This one slows down sometimes	Jul 12 01:58
schestowitz	Even suspends kwin effects	Jul 12 01:58
DaemonFC	I may just use Ubuntu and add the X Swat PPA	Jul 12 01:59
DaemonFC	to get Catalyst 10.6	Jul 12 01:59
schestowitz	It's hard to tell what's causing it	Jul 12 01:59
DaemonFC	I'd rather put up with Windows than use the old FGLRX 2d architecture	Jul 12 01:59
DaemonFC	that thing was hell on wheels	Jul 12 01:59
schestowitz	Diagnosis doesn't show what puts burden on x	Jul 12 01:59
DaemonFC	yeah, I may just use Ubuntu 10.04 and slap the PPA onto it	Jul 12 02:00
schestowitz	hold on	Jul 12 02:00
*DaemonFC really really really doesn't want the old FGLRX		Jul 12 02:00
DaemonFC	the old 2d architecture also interfered with 3d apps	Jul 12 02:01
DaemonFC	if you had compositing on	Jul 12 02:01
DaemonFC	causing weird artifacts and crashing	Jul 12 02:01
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*DaemonFC wonders if he can rig Ubuntu into booting in the first place		Jul 12 02:02
DaemonFC	something with the Wubi version hated my GPU	Jul 12 02:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman’s Presentation From 2009 – eLiberatica (as Ogg) http://ur1.ca/0n53z transcoded, shared for insight		Jul 12 02:06
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cube486	do a ctcp on me :)	Jul 12 02:11
DaemonFC	yeah	Jul 12 02:14
DaemonFC	Ubuntu 10.4 + PPA the hell out of it	Jul 12 02:15
DaemonFC	is probably my final answer here	Jul 12 02:15
DaemonFC	perhaps on my older system too	Jul 12 02:16
DaemonFC	my mom has been wanting a PC and I'm scared to death of what would happen if I handed her one with Windows on it	Jul 12 02:16
cube486	you think I can run Windows 7? heh heh	Jul 12 02:16
DaemonFC	cube486: I've noticed that the improvements in Windows 7 reliability are mainly to make more DRM possible	Jul 12 02:17
DaemonFC	they're a side effect of enabling new DRM	Jul 12 02:17
cube486	will it run in 16 megs of ram?	Jul 12 02:17
DaemonFC	not the main purpose	Jul 12 02:17
-NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@cg070c.halls.manchester.ac.uk has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)		Jul 12 02:17
DaemonFC	oh sure, sure	Jul 12 02:17
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DaemonFC	Windows 7 will run on a 286	Jul 12 02:17
cube486	oh good	Jul 12 02:18
DaemonFC	but you have to run it in Standard Mode	Jul 12 02:18
DaemonFC	it trims the functionality back to a a message saying it failed to start	Jul 12 02:18
cube486	bummer	Jul 12 02:18
DaemonFC	which Microsoft considers one step below Windows 7 Starter Edition	Jul 12 02:18
DaemonFC	B-)	Jul 12 02:18
cube486	guess I'll stick with Linux then	Jul 12 02:19
DaemonFC	cube486: The plus side is that since it can't start, it's immune from virus attacks	Jul 12 02:19
DaemonFC	B-)	Jul 12 02:19
cube486	watched that silly documentary on Gates yesterday	Jul 12 02:20
cube486	it was quite bad	Jul 12 02:20
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DaemonFC	hehe	Jul 12 02:21
DaemonFC	brb	Jul 12 02:22
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cube486	I guess DaemonFC left to buy more ram :)	Jul 12 02:22
cube486	hmm, don't have tab completion any more	Jul 12 02:23
cube486	but this is the most compact irc client I could find	Jul 12 02:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @astyguy: @jonobacon could you please get your followers submit their best linux apps to here http://www.reddit.com/r/Launchpad		Jul 12 02:23
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9mbwMEJ5Ik&feature=digest	Jul 12 02:27
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schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAyMYdQcwV4&feature=digest	Jul 12 02:27
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DaemonFC	I may have to shove an old graphics card in to get Ubuntu to even boot up	Jul 12 02:29
cube486	I thought you didn't like Ubuntu?	Jul 12 02:31
DaemonFC	apparently nobody with a 5670 can get Ubuntu to boot	Jul 12 02:31
DaemonFC	the work around is to use a DVI to VGA adapter	Jul 12 02:32
DaemonFC	and then install the proprietary driver	Jul 12 02:32
DaemonFC	then remove the DVI to VGA adapter	Jul 12 02:32
schestowitz	Indiana floods?	Jul 12 02:32
schestowitz	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqBURjOdOG8&feature=digest	Jul 12 02:32
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*DaemonFC wonders if he even still has one and why it would be necessary on a modern OS		Jul 12 02:32
schestowitz	Watch how they connect warnings og global warming to terrorists	Jul 12 02:33
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DaemonFC	Osama Bin Laden = Climate change	Jul 12 02:33
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DaemonFC	what's so hard to grasp?	Jul 12 02:33
DaemonFC	:D	Jul 12 02:33
cube486	dude, I bet I have less problems with my 486 :)	Jul 12 02:33
cube486	plus I don't even have an ethernet card	Jul 12 02:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Snicker RT @mkapor: Paul the Octopus 8 for 8 in World Cup picks. Signs with Miami Heat.		Jul 12 02:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @pleia2: New blog post: "Bay Area Geeknic 2.5: Tailgate party!" http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=3201		Jul 12 03:00
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Catalyst 10.6 flies	Jul 12 03:52
DaemonFC	I like it	Jul 12 03:52
DaemonFC	none of the Compiz problems their old driver had	Jul 12 03:52
cubezzz	more SCO news on slashdot	Jul 12 03:54
DaemonFC	I seriously like this new Catalyst driver	Jul 12 03:55
DaemonFC	it beats the hell out of their old ones that would limp around and crash more than they worked	Jul 12 03:55
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 03:55
cubezzz	this is a nice quote:	Jul 12 04:03
cubezzz	"But eventually the open source world won, by producing Javascript libraries that grew over the brokenness of Explorer the way a tree grows over barbed wire."	Jul 12 04:03
DaemonFC	cubezzz, I ended up connecting through a VGA cable until I could get the proprietary ATI driver installed :P	Jul 12 05:47
DaemonFC	:D	Jul 12 05:47
DaemonFC	I had to compensate for a lot of incorrect Ubuntu behavior	Jul 12 05:55
DaemonFC	:P	Jul 12 05:55
DaemonFC	Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; en) Presto/2.6.30 Version/10.70	Jul 12 06:02
DaemonFC	hehe	Jul 12 06:02
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MinceR	geekings	Jul 12 06:33
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DaemonFC	MinceR: Glorious news	Jul 12 06:34
DaemonFC	the FGLRX driver no longer sucks	Jul 12 06:34
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DaemonFC	and Opera is working nicely on Linux now too :)	Jul 12 06:35
DaemonFC	pinch me	Jul 12 06:35
MinceR	fglrx may yet start sucking again	Jul 12 06:37
DaemonFC	MinceR: They fixed it, I shit you not	Jul 12 06:37
DaemonFC	Oblivion works	Jul 12 06:37
DaemonFC	even with Compiz on	Jul 12 06:37
MinceR	and that's all you test for? :>	Jul 12 06:38
DaemonFC	well, it's a good start	Jul 12 06:38
DaemonFC	Compiz didn't even work all that well in the old drivers	Jul 12 06:38
MinceR	but it's only a start	Jul 12 06:38
DaemonFC	who cares? At least I can use Linux now without pining for Vista's screaming responsiveness	Jul 12 06:39
DaemonFC	:P	Jul 12 06:39
MinceR	well, that's an improvement	Jul 12 06:40
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DaemonFC	http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23620	Jul 12 06:52
DaemonFC	heh	Jul 12 06:52
TechrightsBot	Title: WineHQ Bugzilla – Bug 23620 – Running IMVU causes a kernel panic and freezes the system. .::. Size~: 24.46 KB	Jul 12 06:52
DaemonFC	------- Comment #1 From Dmitry Timoshkov 2010-07-12 00:50:40 (-) [reply] -------	Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFC	Report this to your distro.	Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFC	------- Comment #2 From Dmitry Timoshkov 2010-07-12 00:50:56 (-) [reply] -------	Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFC	Closing invalid.	Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFC	------- Comment #3 From Ryan 2010-07-12 00:57:17 (-) [reply] -------	Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFC	Pass the buck. OK, thanks.	Jul 12 07:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] In the space of 2 hours, watched porpoises swim in the Bay, & ppl play in a park near my home. That is the beauty of San Francisco		Jul 12 07:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] I love the cool city of St. Francis, the kind saint		Jul 12 07:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] San Francisco is the city of eternal Autumn, my favorite season		Jul 12 07:04
DaemonFC	why exactly am I supposed to report bad behavior in Wine to Ubuntu?	Jul 12 07:05
MinceR	well, there's at least one app the maintainers of which refer you to your distro first so that distro-specific issues and patches can be considered	Jul 12 07:09
MinceR	and they'll pass it upstream if needed	Jul 12 07:09
MinceR	not sure if wine works like that	Jul 12 07:10
MinceR	but you know how ubuntu patches their stuff	Jul 12 07:10
DaemonFC	uhh, yes	Jul 12 07:20
DaemonFC	hmmm	Jul 12 07:20
DaemonFC	Opera is slower on Linux than Windows	Jul 12 07:20
DaemonFC	but then again, so is Firefox	Jul 12 07:20
DaemonFC	oh well	Jul 12 07:20
tessier	http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jul-07.html	Jul 12 07:23
TechrightsBot	Title: Microsoft MS-PL code in Mono - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 14.93 KB	Jul 12 07:23
DaemonFC	I wonder if Chrome bothers optimizing for Linux much	Jul 12 07:25
tessier	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/08/microsoft_virtual_page_turn_patent/	Jul 12 07:25
TechrightsBot	Title: Microsoft seeks patent on ebook page flip • The Register .::. Size~: 29.3 KB	Jul 12 07:25
MinceR	unsure	Jul 12 07:27
MinceR	on one hand, they originally coded it specifically for winblows	Jul 12 07:27
MinceR	on the other hand, chrome os is not winblows	Jul 12 07:27
DaemonFC	MinceR: According to Peacekeeper, Firefox and Opera lag behind their Windows counterparts	Jul 12 07:39
DaemonFC	but Chrome performs jsut as well	Jul 12 07:39
DaemonFC	so it seems that Chrome is the only major browser optimized for Linux	Jul 12 07:40
DaemonFC	hmmm, Firefox is a lot slower on Linux	Jul 12 07:44
DaemonFC	over a third slower	Jul 12 07:44
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DaemonFC	interesting	Jul 12 07:57
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DaemonFC	Minefield on Linux is equally fast as Minefield on Windows	Jul 12 07:58
DaemonFC	but Firefox 3.x on Linux is way slower than on Windows	Jul 12 07:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] KDE e.V. Quarterly Reports Relaunched - http://bit.ly/cg6mgs lots of activity #kde		Jul 12 08:02
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DaemonFC	odd that Mozilla is only now starting to care if their Linux version is fast or not	Jul 12 08:04
DaemonFC	Firefox has suffered from years of neglect	Jul 12 08:06
DaemonFC	seems liek version 4 is lipstick on the pig	Jul 12 08:06
tessier	http://slushdot.com/article.php?story=20100711150240520	Jul 12 08:30
TechrightsBot	Title: Kevin McBride leaks some of the SCO code comparison documents - slushdot .::. Size~: 40.82 KB	Jul 12 08:30
tessier	schestowitz: Check that out. Crazy. You can't implement a compatible software stack without using the same symbols and values.	Jul 12 08:30
tessier	Hardly copy and pasting or stealing code.	Jul 12 08:30
schestowitz	Heh. Barbara...	Jul 12 08:31
schestowitz	I corresponded with her recently...	Jul 12 08:31
schestowitz	http://www.mcbride-law.com/2010/07/09/lanham-act-claims-extend-to-false-statements-by-implication-and-innuendo/	Jul 12 08:32
TechrightsBot	Title: Lanham Act Claims Extend to False Statements by Implication and Innuendo \| McBride Law, PC .::. Size~: 80.84 KB	Jul 12 08:32
schestowitz	I seem to have missed this whole story (need to catch up with Groklaw)	Jul 12 08:33
DaemonFC	Who cares about SCO?	Jul 12 08:41
DaemonFC	They're done for	Jul 12 08:41
DaemonFC	there are so many rulings against them from so many courts that they're wasting more money at this point every time they appeal	Jul 12 08:42
DaemonFC	They'd be better off by firing their CEO, issuing a public apology for being such assholes	Jul 12 08:43
DaemonFC	then possibly becoming a Linux company themselves	Jul 12 08:43
DaemonFC	schestowitz: SwiftFox overwrites your Firefox installation completely	Jul 12 08:47
DaemonFC	it does not just install side by side and update alternatives	Jul 12 08:47
DaemonFC	ickkth	Jul 12 08:47
DaemonFC	oh dammit, nevermind	Jul 12 08:49
DaemonFC	it had actually stayed running as a zombie and was causing new Firefox windows to be swiftfox	Jul 12 08:49
*DaemonFC doesn't understand why the executable has to be named Firefox		Jul 12 08:50
DaemonFC	Opera for Linux is interesting	Jul 12 08:52
DaemonFC	the text parsing part of the benchmark is way faster than Windows	Jul 12 08:52
DaemonFC	but every other score is much lower	Jul 12 08:52
MinceR	DaemonFC: have you tried Konqueror?	Jul 12 08:52
DaemonFC	don't have it	Jul 12 08:52
DaemonFC	not going to klutter my GNOME system to get it	Jul 12 08:52
MinceR	also, if FF 4.x is slower on GNU/Linux than it used to be then that's hardly lipstick	Jul 12 08:53
MinceR	094808 < DaemonFC> not going to klutter my GNOME system to get it	Jul 12 08:53
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MinceR	yet you make sweeping proclamations	Jul 12 08:53
DaemonFC	no, Firefox 4 nightlies on Linux and Windows tie	Jul 12 08:53
DaemonFC	but Firefox 3.6 is way slower on Linux than 3.6 on Windows	Jul 12 08:53
DaemonFC	I meant to say that maybe they're cleaning it up a little?	Jul 12 08:54
DaemonFC	but still overall it has nothing on Chrome or Opera	Jul 12 08:54
DaemonFC	The following NEW packages will be installed:	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	dolphin exiv2 gdebi-kde install-package kdebase-bin kdebase-data	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 kdesudo kfind konqueror konqueror-nsplugins	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	kpackagekit kubuntu-debug-installer libakonadiprivate1 libattica0	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libboost-program-options1.40.0 libclucene0ldbl libdbusmenu-qt2 libexiv2-6	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libiodbc2 libkonq5 libkonq5-templates libkonqsidebarplugin4 libmysqlclient16	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libpackagekit-glib2-12 libpackagekit-qt-12 libphonon4 libplasma3	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libpolkit-qt-1-0 libqca2 libqt4-assistant libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libqt4-help libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libqt4-scripttools libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-test	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libsoprano4 libssh-4	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-xv0 libxine1	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	libxine1-bin libxine1-console libxine1-misc-plugins libxine1-x mysql-common	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	oxygen-icon-theme packagekit packagekit-backend-apt phonon	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	phonon-backend-xine plasma-scriptengine-javascript polkit-kde-1 python-kde4	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	python-packagekit python-qt4 python-sip shared-desktop-ontologies	Jul 12 08:55
MinceR	stop flooding	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	software-properties-kde soprano-daemon ttf-dejavu ttf-dejavu-extra	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	update-manager-kde virtuoso-nepomuk	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	0 upgraded, 83 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	Need to get 78.9MB of archives.	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	After this operation, 279MB of additional disk space will be used.	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	Do you want to continue [Y/n]?	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	hehe	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	Konqueror is so lightweight	Jul 12 08:55
MinceR	nobody cares how deficient your gnome system is	Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC	it fell out of the KDE dependency tree and hit every branch on the way down :P	Jul 12 08:55
MinceR	and FF does indeed have something on other browsers	Jul 12 08:56
MinceR	extensions, flexibility	Jul 12 08:56
DaemonFC	Chrome has extensions	Jul 12 08:56
DaemonFC	it is also about three times faster than Firefox	Jul 12 08:56
MinceR	does it have NoScript and RefControl?	Jul 12 08:57
MinceR	does it have Taboo?	Jul 12 08:57
DaemonFC	Firefox 3.6.3 X86-64 (as supplied by Ubuntu): 2341 / Firefox 3.6.3 32-bit as provided by Mozilla: 2842 / Minefield for 7-12 X86-64: 3783	Jul 12 08:58
DaemonFC	Chrome 6.0.458.1 X86-64 from Google: 8368	Jul 12 08:58
DaemonFC	so Firefox is not only slower on Linux anyway, Ubuntu's build is even slower than the official one	Jul 12 08:59
DaemonFC	Firefox 3.6.6 got 3453 on Windows 7	Jul 12 09:01
DaemonFC	Chrome is the only major browser where the Linux build is a match for the Windows build	Jul 12 09:01
tessier	http://www.mcbride-law.com/2010/07/09/lanham-act-claims-extend-to-false-statements-by-implication-and-innuendo/#printpreview	Jul 12 09:02
TechrightsBot	Title: Lanham Act Claims Extend to False Statements by Implication and Innuendo \| McBride Law, PC .::. Size~: 80.84 KB	Jul 12 09:02
tessier	Wow.	Jul 12 09:02
DaemonFC	Firefox is a Windows program that happens to have a defective Linux port	Jul 12 09:02
tessier	schestowitz: That's good reading too. Amazig.	Jul 12 09:02
DaemonFC	would be my way of describing it	Jul 12 09:02
MinceR	also, FF has proper font rendering, while Chrome fucks it up because freetype is NIH	Jul 12 09:03
DaemonFC	There's a Debian developer that ended up having to fix a lot of Firefox code that was written for Windows and broke badly on Linux that came to the same conclusion	Jul 12 09:03
DaemonFC	in fact, the add-ons GUI was what he was talking about I believe	Jul 12 09:03
MinceR	but the world could certainly use a web browser that doesn't suck. someone should write one.	Jul 12 09:03
DaemonFC	then Firefox attacked Debian for making it works somewhat properly on Linux	Jul 12 09:03
DaemonFC	*work	Jul 12 09:04
DaemonFC	I'm not surprised Ubuntu is ditching Firefox on their leaner spins	Jul 12 09:04
DaemonFC	Lubuntu and Ubuntu Netbook Remix	Jul 12 09:04
DaemonFC	Chromium will probably do quite well there	Jul 12 09:04
MinceR	except for font rendering	Jul 12 09:04
MinceR	or script whitelisting	Jul 12 09:04
DaemonFC	if Firefox is this bad on a newish CPU (mine)	Jul 12 09:04
MinceR	or configurable referer blocking	Jul 12 09:04
DaemonFC	imagine how much it must suck on old systems	Jul 12 09:05
DaemonFC	or netbooks	Jul 12 09:05
MinceR	it works fine on my netbook	Jul 12 09:05
DaemonFC	Firefox on Linux is slower than the IE 9 preview	Jul 12 09:05
DaemonFC	hehe	Jul 12 09:05
MinceR	wiat	Jul 12 09:05
MinceR	wait	Jul 12 09:05
DaemonFC	I do commonly refer to Firefox as the IE for Linux	Jul 12 09:05
MinceR	the IE 9 preview runs on linux?	Jul 12 09:05
DaemonFC	everything needs it, can't get rid of it	Jul 12 09:05
DaemonFC	performs badly, sucks up resources, has tons of security bugs	Jul 12 09:06
DaemonFC	MinceR: No, identical system, but IE 9 Preview 3 on Windows 7 is faster than Firefox 3.6.3 on Linux	Jul 12 09:06
MinceR	why not compare it to FF4?	Jul 12 09:06
DaemonFC	Firefox is firebombing	Jul 12 09:06
DaemonFC	well, if you want to compare it to Firefox 4, then yeah, Firefox 4 compares favorably to IE 9	Jul 12 09:07
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 09:07
DaemonFC	but what doesn't?	Jul 12 09:07
DaemonFC	IE 8?	Jul 12 09:07
MinceR	i mean, you're bringing up a version of IE that isn't even out yet	Jul 12 09:08
MinceR	as usual, turning reality out of its asshole to prove a point that's wrong	Jul 12 09:08
DaemonFC	it's like IE is the low anchor for any proper benchmark test	Jul 12 09:08
MinceR	IE isn't even in the category	Jul 12 09:08
DaemonFC	to say that something beats IE is saying that it's something that's not IE	Jul 12 09:08
DaemonFC	B-)	Jul 12 09:08
MinceR	it's not a web browser, it's a backdoor with a GUI	Jul 12 09:08
DaemonFC	I would say IE is good for your low anchor and Chrome's development branch is going to be your high anchor	Jul 12 09:09
DaemonFC	IE had to go back to Firefox 2.0 to find a version of Firefox that IE 8 managed to outrun	Jul 12 09:10
DaemonFC	by just a tad :P	Jul 12 09:10
DaemonFC	MinceR: IE 8 is just like Steve Ballmer if you think about it	Jul 12 09:11
DaemonFC	old, fat, and covered in sweat	Jul 12 09:11
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 09:11
DaemonFC	That's pretty bad when I had to go back over 4 years to find something that IE 8 could outrun, and even then Firefox 2 had quite a few things going for it that IE 8 still doesn't have	Jul 12 09:12
DaemonFC	SVG support, extensions, etc.	Jul 12 09:13
DaemonFC	so I wouldn't even say I would use IE 8 even if Firefox 2 was the only other choice	Jul 12 09:13
DaemonFC	MinceR: Oddly enough, Opera has everything built-in that I would get a Firefox extension for	Jul 12 09:14
DaemonFC	adblock, built-in	Jul 12 09:14
DaemonFC	IRC, built in	Jul 12 09:14
DaemonFC	email, built-in (no need for Thunderbird)	Jul 12 09:14
DaemonFC	I think extensions are kind of gimmicky and open up a huge potential for abuse	Jul 12 09:15
DaemonFC	there's only like 3-4 of them that add anything practical to Firefox	Jul 12 09:15
DaemonFC	MinceR: malicious extensions have been floating around as long as browsers have supported extensions	Jul 12 09:17
DaemonFC	they're a liability that enable cross platform malware, I think	Jul 12 09:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Srebrenica: ten years on - http://bit.ly/9vEaNt lest we forget #srebrenica #bosnia		Jul 12 09:17
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DaemonFC	MinceR: Let's say somehow I snagged the Adblock Plus website out of the blue one day somehow	Jul 12 09:18
DaemonFC	and I managed to load a malicious extension that says it is Adblock Plus	Jul 12 09:18
DaemonFC	would Firefox scream at the user not to install it?	Jul 12 09:18
MinceR	DaemonFC: guess what, other users have greater needs than you	Jul 12 09:19
MinceR	if you want to use a web browser that has no extensions support, go ahead and shut up	Jul 12 09:19
DaemonFC	well, when so many users want ad blocking, why not build it into the browser?	Jul 12 09:19
DaemonFC	Firefox has to appease advertisers	Jul 12 09:19
MinceR	or we'll just call you stupid for not using links2 -g	Jul 12 09:19
MinceR	even though it's faster than chrome	Jul 12 09:20
DaemonFC	this way they can say "We don't support that	Jul 12 09:20
MinceR	ABP happens to be better than most other ad blocking support in browsers	Jul 12 09:20
DaemonFC	Opera's is fine	Jul 12 09:20
DaemonFC	making filter rules is as easy as making them for Adblock Plus	Jul 12 09:21
MinceR	can opera's fetch blacklists from external sources?	Jul 12 09:21
DaemonFC	you mean auto-update the list?	Jul 12 09:21
DaemonFC	no it doesn't	Jul 12 09:21
DaemonFC	it's not like you have to do that often anyway	Jul 12 09:21
MinceR	does opera say "we don't support that"? :>	Jul 12 09:21
DaemonFC	well, they wouldn't build in an ad blocker and then not support it	Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFC	that would be coutnerproductive	Jul 12 09:22
MinceR	let me get this straight	Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFC	they call attention to the fact that you can block annoying and offensive crap with iut	Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFC	*it	Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFC	so I would say that's an endorsement	Jul 12 09:22
MinceR	you insist on flaming FF's ad blocking support, citing a browser that has a worse one built in?	Jul 12 09:22
MinceR	please put brain in gear before engaging mouth/fingers.	Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFC	Firefox has no ad blocking support	Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFC	you have to bolt it on after the fact	Jul 12 09:22
MinceR	an extension is not "bolting it on"	Jul 12 09:23
DaemonFC	then they won't support you if it causes bugs	Jul 12 09:23
MinceR	it's the feature you've been flaming for the past minutes	Jul 12 09:23
MinceR	guess what, the developers of the extension will support it instead	Jul 12 09:23
DaemonFC	"Hey, go yell at that other guy"	Jul 12 09:23
DaemonFC	that's fun	Jul 12 09:23
DaemonFC	"We don't support that, it may crash Firefox and we don't support that"	Jul 12 09:24
MinceR	well, if you hate having to "go yell at that other guy", use winblows and IE... and shut up	Jul 12 09:24
DaemonFC	"Extensions can mutilate Firefox and we won't help you"	Jul 12 09:24
MinceR	...except toolbars installed by malware will still not be "supported"	Jul 12 09:24
MinceR	so actually IE won't help you either	Jul 12 09:24
DaemonFC	Firefox supports malware toolbars	Jul 12 09:24
MinceR	and?	Jul 12 09:24
DaemonFC	a lot of them get stuffed in by third party software	Jul 12 09:24
DaemonFC	and Windows Update	Jul 12 09:24
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 09:24
MinceR	we're all waiting for the conclusion	Jul 12 09:25
DaemonFC	they have a blacklist	Jul 12 09:25
DaemonFC	why are they allowing Firefox to be polluted?	Jul 12 09:25
MinceR	of course, if letting arbitrary code be installed by the user is a Bad Thing in general, there's something for that too	Jul 12 09:25
MinceR	it's called hypePad	Jul 12 09:25
DaemonFC	no	Jul 12 09:25
DaemonFC	I mean blacklist crap that's installed into Firefox without user intervention	Jul 12 09:26
DaemonFC	using their bad plug-ins blacklist	Jul 12 09:26
MinceR	otherwise you could just avoid winblows and mind what you're installing	Jul 12 09:26
DaemonFC	at this point, they're practically in collusion with Microsoft	Jul 12 09:26
DaemonFC	since they aren't lifting a finger to stop them	Jul 12 09:26
MinceR	here's your tinfoil hat	Jul 12 09:26
DaemonFC	If I was Mozilla, I'd blacklist anything that Microsoft was trying to shove in without user permission	Jul 12 09:27
DaemonFC	to protect my users	Jul 12 09:27
DaemonFC	but they're probably getting paid to not do anything about that	Jul 12 09:27
MinceR	that's a good idea, but it won't stop there	Jul 12 09:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open data on Russian government spending - http://bit.ly/cJIf7f amazing how this idea is spreading #ogov #transparency #russia		Jul 12 09:27
MinceR	m$ will keep changing the identifiers that are blacklisted	Jul 12 09:27
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MinceR	perhaps they have better things to worry about?	Jul 12 09:28
DaemonFC	so why not have some kind of signing keys?	Jul 12 09:28
DaemonFC	signing keys can be revoked	Jul 12 09:28
MinceR	mandatory signing for plugins? no thanks	Jul 12 09:28
DaemonFC	and kill off everything the bad developer has put out there	Jul 12 09:28
MinceR	mandatory app signing was stupid enough	Jul 12 09:28
MinceR	if you disagree, go use symbian	Jul 12 09:28
DaemonFC	MinceR: Or here's an idea	Jul 12 09:28
DaemonFC	don't load anything the user didn't install	Jul 12 09:28
DaemonFC	from within the browser	Jul 12 09:29
MinceR	actually every stupid idea you can come up with has already implemented somewhere :>	Jul 12 09:29
MinceR	and how do you tell the user didn't install it?	Jul 12 09:29
DaemonFC	the crap Microsoft is sneaking in was not requested	Jul 12 09:29
MinceR	store on disk which ones they did?	Jul 12 09:29
DaemonFC	use NTFS alternate data streams	Jul 12 09:29
MinceR	guess what, m$ can write into those files	Jul 12 09:29
DaemonFC	to mark where it came from	Jul 12 09:29
MinceR	yeah, because m$ stuff can't write NTFS alternate data streams	Jul 12 09:29
MinceR	oh, wait	Jul 12 09:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at Hendon Central Station (Hendon, London). http://4sq.com/9ooxQC		Jul 12 09:29
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DaemonFC	Firefox could generate something randomly that only it can verify	Jul 12 09:30
DaemonFC	as it writes the extension to the disk	Jul 12 09:30
MinceR	get a clue, you're basically waging a war with the SYSTEM user on your winblows host	Jul 12 09:30
MinceR	you can't win	Jul 12 09:30
MinceR	firefox needs to store the information it needs to verify that	Jul 12 09:30
DaemonFC	that way if an extension shows up that Firefox didn't put there, it gets deleted	Jul 12 09:30
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 09:30
MinceR	and if it can retrieve that, so can others	Jul 12 09:30
DaemonFC	simple huh?	Jul 12 09:30
MinceR	if firefox can sign something, so can someone else	Jul 12 09:30
MinceR	yes, simple and ineffective	Jul 12 09:31
DaemonFC	it also raises a scandal if Microsoft circumvents that to continue to foist unwanted software	Jul 12 09:31
DaemonFC	maybe even material for a lawsuit	Jul 12 09:31
MinceR	m$ is already well known to foist unwanted software	Jul 12 09:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux - http://bit.ly/9h2nEO strange they waited until now #sco #linux		Jul 12 09:31
DaemonFC	"If the user wanted it, they could have gone to Microsoft.com and installed it themselves	Jul 12 09:31
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DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 09:31
MinceR	the zombies using m$ products still don't care	Jul 12 09:32
MinceR	same with crApple	Jul 12 09:32
MinceR	people are more stupid than you can imagine	Jul 12 09:32
DaemonFC	I think there has to be a way to stop or at least hinder drive by foistware	Jul 12 09:32
DaemonFC	and Mozilla is just being complacent	Jul 12 09:33
DaemonFC	if Mozilla cared about their own reputation, they would fight them on the beaches	Jul 12 09:33
DaemonFC	instead of bending over and taking it	Jul 12 09:33
DaemonFC	drive by download that crashes Firefox and causes security holes?	Jul 12 09:34
DaemonFC	Mozilla says "Meh" and shrugs	Jul 12 09:34
DaemonFC	that shows you they care I guess	Jul 12 09:34
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DaemonFC	I think they need to take the gloves off and stop this behavior right now	Jul 12 09:35
DaemonFC	it's unacceptable to let it continue	Jul 12 09:35
DaemonFC	MinceR: I suppose I'd say it like this	Jul 12 09:36
DaemonFC	You work hard to keep your property maintained	Jul 12 09:36
MinceR	there's no way to hinder foistware that's built into the OS and has SYSTEM privileges	Jul 12 09:36
DaemonFC	you have the nicest house on the neighborhood and worked to get it there	Jul 12 09:36
DaemonFC	then some asshole comes by and dumps garbage in your lawn	Jul 12 09:37
MinceR	the user can't trust winblows and the only way to fix the problem is by ditching winblows	Jul 12 09:37
DaemonFC	so you shake your fist and call them some filthy names and get rid of the garbage	Jul 12 09:37
MinceR	your analogy fails	Jul 12 09:37
DaemonFC	but the next time they do it, you give up and leave it there	Jul 12 09:37
DaemonFC	and they come by every day and toss in more garbage	Jul 12 09:37
DaemonFC	grow a pair and kick their ass already	Jul 12 09:37
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 09:37
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MinceR	"grow a pair and kick their ass" == upgrade to gnu/linux	Jul 12 09:38
DaemonFC	get rid of their garbage and sue them	Jul 12 09:38
DaemonFC	is what I would do	Jul 12 09:38
MinceR	that way m$ will no longer have the privileges to install anything on your box	Jul 12 09:38
MinceR	it's that simple	Jul 12 09:38
DaemonFC	they need to get rid of Microsoft's garbage	Jul 12 09:38
MinceR	well, maybe mozilla could sue them, but i doubt much will come of that	Jul 12 09:38
DaemonFC	then sue them	Jul 12 09:38
MinceR	could be worth a try	Jul 12 09:38
DaemonFC	I would	Jul 12 09:39
DaemonFC	I think they have a case	Jul 12 09:39
DaemonFC	Microsoft is interfering with their reputation	Jul 12 09:39
MinceR	perhaps it hasn't happened to mozilla yet	Jul 12 09:39
MinceR	could be worth asking :>	Jul 12 09:39
DaemonFC	MinceR: A bug in Microsoft's extension can open the user up to crashes and security vulnerabilities	Jul 12 09:39
DaemonFC	you didn't put the extension there	Jul 12 09:39
DaemonFC	the user never asked for it	Jul 12 09:40
DaemonFC	I think they have a case to sue	Jul 12 09:40
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 09:40
DaemonFC	call it "brand defacement"	Jul 12 09:40
MinceR	of course the most that will come of it legally would be a slap on the wrist	Jul 12 09:41
MinceR	but at least it generates publicity	Jul 12 09:41
DaemonFC	I'd compare it in court to someone spraying grafitti all over the side of my house	Jul 12 09:41
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MinceR	and you have yet another lost legal case you can show to the m$ apologists	Jul 12 09:41
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DaemonFC	MinceR: In that case I'd make some bad plug-ins that crashed IE	Jul 12 09:41
DaemonFC	and refer to the lawsuit as grounds for it being acceptable	Jul 12 09:41
DaemonFC	\:)	Jul 12 09:41
MinceR	but how would you foist it on users?	Jul 12 09:42
DaemonFC	it's Windows isn't it?	Jul 12 09:42
MinceR	also, my point is that mozilla would win the lawsuit but they wouldn't punish m$ significantly	Jul 12 09:42
DaemonFC	they could get an injunction	Jul 12 09:42
MinceR	sure it's winblows, but you don't control winblows update, m$ does	Jul 12 09:42
DaemonFC	and probably a pile of cash	Jul 12 09:42
DaemonFC	it's worth pursuing	Jul 12 09:42
MinceR	and you don't control the dependencies (.net and the like) m$ foists on users and developers	Jul 12 09:42
MinceR	plus even if you bundled it with something you released, you can be certain that the m$ fanboys would be the first ones to flame you about it	Jul 12 09:43
MinceR	m$ is a religion	Jul 12 09:43
MinceR	but at least the lawsuit could help advertise the fact that m$ compromises your system to the half-educated users	Jul 12 09:44
MinceR	who have a shot at understanding what the threat is	Jul 12 09:45
DaemonFC	yeah	Jul 12 09:45
DaemonFC	the effort to return on investment ratio in filing a lawsuit is favorable to Mozilla	Jul 12 09:45
DaemonFC	Opera on Linux has gotten a lot better	Jul 12 09:48
DaemonFC	it integrates well	Jul 12 09:48
DaemonFC	no more bad performance, random screwups, not wanting to open the right program to handle a download, etc.	Jul 12 09:49
MinceR	what about random crashes?	Jul 12 09:49
MinceR	on loading pages that opera doesn't happen to like, that is	Jul 12 09:49
DaemonFC	haven't had it happen yet	Jul 12 09:50
MinceR	whoa, winblows doesn't only fail at redrawing the contents of MSVCRT windows	Jul 12 10:00
MinceR	it also fails at redrawing title bars	Jul 12 10:00
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DaemonFC	I found a Sonar theme for Ubuntu :)	Jul 12 10:02
DaemonFC	hmmmm	Jul 12 10:09
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DaemonFC	I think I found my theme	Jul 12 10:14
DaemonFC	:D	Jul 12 10:14
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DaemonFC	OK, I'm happy with this system	Jul 12 10:19
DaemonFC	FGLRX was really the only spoiler that was keeping me on Windows	Jul 12 10:19
MinceR	openslowlaris? :>	Jul 12 10:21
DaemonFC	banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore	Jul 12 10:21
DaemonFC	This extension makes the Ubuntu One Music Store available in Banshee.	Jul 12 10:21
DaemonFC	Banshee is a media management and playback application for the GNOME desktop.	Jul 12 10:21
DaemonFC	joy	Jul 12 10:21
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MinceR	according to opensuse, banshee is proprietary :>	Jul 12 10:21
MinceR	http://sathyasays.com/2010/07/10/opensuses-software-manager-lists-mono-apps-under-proprietary-applications-pattern/	Jul 12 10:22
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DaemonFC	MinceR: It's still under LGPL and MIT X11 licenses	Jul 12 10:22
DaemonFC	so I fail to see how	Jul 12 10:22
DaemonFC	it may infringe patents and rely on Mono, but it's not "proprietary"	Jul 12 10:23
DaemonFC	they could probably protect the Banshee copyright	Jul 12 10:23
DaemonFC	but you could just call yours something else	Jul 12 10:23
DaemonFC	like the ICeweasel deal	Jul 12 10:23
DaemonFC	*Iceweasel	Jul 12 10:23
DaemonFC	brb	Jul 12 10:25
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MinceR	DaemonFC: because of the software patent issue	Jul 12 10:25
*DaemonFC pulled Compiz 0.8.6 out of their PPA		Jul 12 10:26
MinceR	they aren't adequately licensed to users	Jul 12 10:26
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 10:26
DaemonFC	yeah, it's not proprietary though	Jul 12 10:26
DaemonFC	if you live in a country that doesn't recognize software patents and change the name, I doubt they could do anything to you at all	Jul 12 10:26
MinceR	opensuse probably doesn't have a separate category for "non-free, patent-encumbered open source sw"	Jul 12 10:27
DaemonFC	whoa	Jul 12 10:27
DaemonFC	Compiz is being rewritten	Jul 12 10:27
DaemonFC	in C++?	Jul 12 10:27
MinceR	it could certainly use being rewritten	Jul 12 10:27
DaemonFC	MinceR: It's free software as far as the code goes	Jul 12 10:27
MinceR	iirc compiz++ will also work without compositing (like kwin)	Jul 12 10:27
DaemonFC	patents are another story	Jul 12 10:27
MinceR	DaemonFC: free software isn't about the code, it's about the freedoms its users have	Jul 12 10:28
MinceR	and those patents take that away, legally	Jul 12 10:28
DaemonFC	well, in countries withotu software patents, Banshee is FOSS	Jul 12 10:28
DaemonFC	by your definition	Jul 12 10:28
MinceR	btw, i'm not really sure if it's even open source	Jul 12 10:29
MinceR	DaemonFC: Free Software doesn't allow restrictions based on where the user happens to be	Jul 12 10:29
DaemonFC	why is that?	Jul 12 10:29
DaemonFC	you can build the same thing out of the code they provide	Jul 12 10:29
MinceR	because even the OSD might require the rights that are not provided	Jul 12 10:29
DaemonFC	the code they provide is MIT and LGPL license	Jul 12 10:29
DaemonFC	it qualifies as FOSS	Jul 12 10:29
DaemonFC	well, they can't give the code to you under the terms of MIT or FOSS and then claim that you can't use the rights they gave you when handing you the code	Jul 12 10:30
MinceR	the OSD says nothing about the copyright license itself qualifying as FOSS being sufficient, afaict	Jul 12 10:30
DaemonFC	*or LGPL FOSS	Jul 12 10:30
DaemonFC	MinceR: Then Firefox is not FOSS	Jul 12 10:30
DaemonFC	cause you have to change the name to avoid their copyrights	Jul 12 10:30
DaemonFC	or else their legal dept will go after you	Jul 12 10:31
MinceR	changing trademarks and deviating from the "standards" are two entirely different things	Jul 12 10:31
MinceR	though it might be that the Debian guys actually consider FF nonfree :>	Jul 12 10:32
MinceR	exactly because of what you mentioned	Jul 12 10:32
MinceR	but at least they could make a free version out of it	Jul 12 10:32
MinceR	you can't do that to banshee	Jul 12 10:32
MinceR	in fact, mozilla provides a free branding with the source code	Jul 12 10:33
MinceR	it's kind of painful to make it compile as "Firefox"	Jul 12 10:33
*MinceR did it once on Debian		Jul 12 10:33
DaemonFC	I don't really much care what it calls itself	Jul 12 10:33
DaemonFC	it's really the same program	Jul 12 10:33
DaemonFC	it provides you with the same features	Jul 12 10:33
MinceR	then why are arguing that it's non-free because you can't use the Firefox trademark on modified versions?	Jul 12 10:34
DaemonFC	cause if you rename Banshee it's the same program	Jul 12 10:34
DaemonFC	so it's as free as Firefox	Jul 12 10:34
MinceR	if you rename Banshee, you still don't have a patent license for it	Jul 12 10:35
MinceR	so it's not as free as Firefox	Jul 12 10:35
MinceR	not having a patent license makes you unable to legally use the software	Jul 12 10:35
MinceR	not having a trademark license does not	Jul 12 10:35
DaemonFC	you're still not listening	Jul 12 10:39
MinceR	i'm listening but you're not making sense	Jul 12 10:39
DaemonFC	the code is free	Jul 12 10:39
MinceR	the code is not free if you are not allowed to use it	Jul 12 10:40
MinceR	"shared source" is not "open source" or free software	Jul 12 10:40
DaemonFC	there's no proprietary code in Banshee though	Jul 12 10:40
DaemonFC	how does MIT license = shared source?	Jul 12 10:43
DaemonFC	I'm not following you	Jul 12 10:43
DaemonFC	is LGPL shared source?	Jul 12 10:43
DaemonFC	where is the code you're not allowed to use?	Jul 12 10:43
MinceR	the mono runtime and whatever depends on it?	Jul 12 10:43
DaemonFC	there's a difference in giving you a license to use the code and a patent license	Jul 12 10:43
DaemonFC	the MIT license makes it FOSS	Jul 12 10:44
DaemonFC	patent license says they can still sue you	Jul 12 10:44
MinceR	also, it can't be LGPLv3 and the only reason it can be LGPLv2 is that they circumvented the language about patent licenses with a trick	Jul 12 10:44
DaemonFC	of course someone else can argue they have a patent on any program	Jul 12 10:44
DaemonFC	and sue anyone	Jul 12 10:44
DaemonFC	at any moment	Jul 12 10:44
DaemonFC	so you're not making a hell of a lot of sense	Jul 12 10:44
MinceR	oh, then stealing the source code of winblows makes it FLOSS	Jul 12 10:44
MinceR	copyright license says they can still sue you	Jul 12 10:44
DaemonFC	no, there's a difference	Jul 12 10:45
DaemonFC	you don't want to acknowledge that Banshee and Mono are indeed FOSS	Jul 12 10:45
DaemonFC	but probably infringe patents	Jul 12 10:45
DaemonFC	they are patent infringing FOSS	Jul 12 10:45
MinceR	i don't want to acknowledge something that isn't true	Jul 12 10:45
MinceR	oh wow	Jul 12 10:45
DaemonFC	if you compile Gstreamer MP3 support you have patent infringing FOSS	Jul 12 10:45
DaemonFC	no different	Jul 12 10:45
DaemonFC	no different at all	Jul 12 10:45
MinceR	notice that the FSD says nothing about patent issues being exempt	Jul 12 10:46
MinceR	software patents infringe on your freedom just as much as non-FLOSS copyright licenses	Jul 12 10:46
DaemonFC	so Gstreamer plugins are not FOSS?	Jul 12 10:46
MinceR	and just as much as not having access to the code at all	Jul 12 10:46
DaemonFC	Gstreamer plug-ins aren't FOSS	Jul 12 10:46
DaemonFC	neither is Firefox	Jul 12 10:46
MinceR	the only thing that plugin lets you do is use MP3	Jul 12 10:47
DaemonFC	if you're going to bring in patent and copyright laws into this to win your argument, you've lost	Jul 12 10:47
MinceR	in the case of Banshee, the entire app depends on patents you might be unable to use	Jul 12 10:47
DaemonFC	you're trying to confuse the terms the same as the Intellectual Property people	Jul 12 10:47
MinceR	you're trying to ignore software patent issues to misrepresent the status of mono	Jul 12 10:47
MinceR	just like the mono apologist people	Jul 12 10:48
DaemonFC	if I use the code in Europe, where the patent laws don't apply, what is it there?	Jul 12 10:48
DaemonFC	is it FOSS in Europe?	Jul 12 10:48
MinceR	afaik the EPO actually did let some sw patents to be registered	Jul 12 10:48
DaemonFC	just because FOSS runs afoul of patents does not make it proprietary	Jul 12 10:48
MinceR	because they're corrupt and/or incompetent	Jul 12 10:48
MinceR	just because proprietary software runs afoul of copyright does not make it proprietary?	Jul 12 10:49
DaemonFC	you're the one confusing US law with the entire world	Jul 12 10:49
DaemonFC	in this case	Jul 12 10:49
DaemonFC	the software license makes the software FOSS	Jul 12 10:49
MinceR	the USA is not the only place where software patents apply and/or exist	Jul 12 10:49
DaemonFC	not whether it violates patents somewhere	Jul 12 10:49
DaemonFC	which it might or might not	Jul 12 10:49
MinceR	and by the way, MP3 codecs do tend to be in separate repos because of sw patent issues	Jul 12 10:50
MinceR	just like mono	Jul 12 10:50
DaemonFC	the Gstreamer plug-ins I use to play MP3 files with are not proprietary	Jul 12 10:50
DaemonFC	they're patent infringing FOSS	Jul 12 10:50
DaemonFC	yeah, LAME is not proprietary software	Jul 12 10:50
DaemonFC	it's patent-infringing FOSS	Jul 12 10:50
MinceR	it's more likely to be nonfree patent-infringing open source software	Jul 12 10:51
DaemonFC	distributing Mono and LAME has you in the same boat	Jul 12 10:51
DaemonFC	they're both FOSS< but someone has patents on them and may sue you for it	Jul 12 10:51
MinceR	except of course that a dependency on mono is a lot more severe	Jul 12 10:51
DaemonFC	the fact that they can still sue you over patent infringement after licensing their code under a permissive license is what gets me	Jul 12 10:52
DaemonFC	a judge should see right through that	Jul 12 10:52
DaemonFC	"Why did you give it to them and tell them to use it if they aren't supposed to use it?"	Jul 12 10:52
DaemonFC	in this case, Mono is written by the people who have the patents and want to sue	Jul 12 10:53
MinceR	judges are rarely smart/just enough for that	Jul 12 10:53
MinceR	almost never	Jul 12 10:53
DaemonFC	I could see a lawsuit involving LAME	Jul 12 10:53
DaemonFC	but Mono should get laughed out of the court system	Jul 12 10:53
MinceR	but so far it hasn't	Jul 12 10:53
MinceR	and you're forgetting that the court system is corrupt and incompetent	Jul 12 10:53
DaemonFC	MinceR: IF I own the patents on the software I give you and tell you to use, I shouldn't be able to sue you	Jul 12 10:53
MinceR	yes, but that's apparently not what laws in the USA say	Jul 12 10:54
DaemonFC	suing someone over implementing something based on your patents that you never encouraged them to build is something else	Jul 12 10:54
MinceR	unsure about it in the EU due to the aforementioned EPO issue	Jul 12 10:54
DaemonFC	LAME doesn't hold the patents on MP3	Jul 12 10:54
DaemonFC	that's why I said I could take a lawsuit over LAME more seriously	Jul 12 10:55
MinceR	if you lose a lawsuit over LAME, you only lose the ability to encode MP3	Jul 12 10:55
MinceR	if you lose a lawsuit over Mono and your desktop depends heavily on it then you lose the ability to use your desktop apps	Jul 12 10:55
MinceR	LAME has no functionality other than letting you encode MP3, but Mono-dependent apps do offer functionality that's independent of Mono -- yet you can't use them without infringing on those patents	Jul 12 10:56
DaemonFC	I just don't get how a judge would get past YOU giving THEM the CODE that you are SUING them over	Jul 12 10:56
DaemonFC	it makes no sense	Jul 12 10:56
DaemonFC	it's like giving someone a TV set in front of thousands of witnesses	Jul 12 10:57
DaemonFC	then saying they stole your TV	Jul 12 10:57
DaemonFC	and you didn't encourage them to take it	Jul 12 10:57
MinceR	they might still get you on technicalities	Jul 12 10:58
DaemonFC	the fact that Microsoft and Novell encouraged you to take Mono and use it should invalidate their patent infringement claims	Jul 12 10:58
DaemonFC	right there	Jul 12 10:58
MinceR	like that you were supposed to use/modify it within the specs they've paid Ecma to publish, but not to eviate from them	Jul 12 10:58
MinceR	s/evi/devi/	Jul 12 10:59
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DaemonFC	the fact that Microsoft is now building Mono add-ons, licensing them under a free/permissive license WITH a patent grant	Jul 12 10:59
DaemonFC	shows that they want people to take that code	Jul 12 10:59
MinceR	should, but we don't know if it does until such a suit happens and is resolved	Jul 12 10:59
DaemonFC	they can't take the code and use it without Mono	Jul 12 10:59
DaemonFC	if I was the judge, I would find in favor of the defendants because Microsoft and Novell encouraged them to take it	Jul 12 10:59
DaemonFC	but I'm not a judge	Jul 12 10:59
DaemonFC	:(	Jul 12 10:59
MinceR	and m$ is actively FUDding about their mono patents, are they not?	Jul 12 11:00
DaemonFC	now, if Microsoft and Novell didn't distribute Mono and someone made a .NET clone	Jul 12 11:00
DaemonFC	I would let the lawsuit proceed	Jul 12 11:00
DaemonFC	you can't just encourage someone to take your stuff then claim that they're entirely at fault for stealing it	Jul 12 11:01
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 11:01
MinceR	actually iirc m$ only FUDded about moonlight patents yet	Jul 12 11:02
DaemonFC	MinceR: The holder of the patent licenses the code representing their patent under a free/permissive license, they have given you a patent license in doing that	Jul 12 11:07
DaemonFC	would be my interpretation of the law	Jul 12 11:07
MinceR	sadly, you're not in charge	Jul 12 11:08
DaemonFC	yep	Jul 12 11:08
DaemonFC	MinceR: The world would be a better place if I was	Jul 12 11:10
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 11:10
schestowitz	tessier: you have full control of the site's wordpress install/panel (I will be on and off in the coming days, so in case some abuser floods the site with spam comments we need a second admin)	Jul 12 11:10
schestowitz	tessier: When Wordpress 3.0.1 is out I'll upgrade your site. Don't click on "WordPress 3.0 is available! Please update now." Basically, neither 2.x (current) nor 3.0 is vulnerable yet, so there is no incentive to move under 3.0.1 gets released.	Jul 12 11:11
schestowitz	/under/until/	Jul 12 11:11
DaemonFC	schestowitz: The new ATI 2D architecture is at least as good as Nvidia's	Jul 12 11:11
MinceR	DaemonFC: i'm not so sure about that, considering some of your earlier output	Jul 12 11:11
DaemonFC	I'm still nto quite over how it went from total garbage to this	Jul 12 11:11
DaemonFC	MinceR: What's wrong with shooting child molesters and giving patent licenses to people who were encouraged to take the code from the patent holders?	Jul 12 11:12
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 11:12
MinceR	there was a lot more than that	Jul 12 11:12
MinceR	bbl	Jul 12 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Copyright Madness - http://bit.ly/b7ymSx "to use a single line...record label's parent company demanded $150 for every 7,500 copies"		Jul 12 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Report: Apple overtakes Microsoft as most vulnerable vendor - http://bit.ly/8Ys22p because MS users no longer perceived as worth hacking?		Jul 12 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] EU gets wires crossed over ACTA transparency - http://bit.ly/bh7Kww why we must get enough signatories for WD12 - http://bit.ly/cGyVwL		Jul 12 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sintering the Moon - http://bit.ly/ca4A8J with a title like that, you've got to read it, no? #sintering #3dprinting #moon		Jul 12 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Chinese Coal Monster - http://bit.ly/93N9Ab bad news for the poor old atmostphere #china #coal #energy		Jul 12 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Millennials Will Make Online Sharing in Networks a Lifelong Habit - http://bit.ly/bUDmQP mostly private info, but spills over to content too		Jul 12 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why Android's Victory is Inevitable - http://bit.ly/ckJlUV boosting the boost #android #linux #iphone		Jul 12 11:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Libraries Worried About Potential Supreme Court Ruling Concerning Legality Of Selling Imported Omega Watches - http://bit.ly/9dEJEh madness		Jul 12 11:14
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cube486	a 10 sec delay between bot posts might be an idea	Jul 12 11:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Choosing Whether To Go Open Source - http://bit.ly/cs6xdu good interview with CIO of the US National Institute of Food and Agriculture		Jul 12 11:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Chinese People Then And Now, Same Poses, Same Positions - http://bit.ly/bE50MO rather strikind #china		Jul 12 11:31
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DaemonFC	schestowitz: Indianapolis/Marion County switch from Windows to RHEL	Jul 12 11:41
DaemonFC	and from Access to "Peoplesoft"?	Jul 12 11:42
DaemonFC	wtf is that?	Jul 12 11:42
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cubezzz	Xerox had some pretty amazing stuff back in 1981	Jul 12 11:55
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cubezzz	1024x809 17" display ....	Jul 12 11:57
cubezzz	"Xerox 6085 PCS , was released in 1985. The new hardware provided 1MB to 4MB of memory, a 10MB to 80MB hard disk, a 15" or 19" display, a 5.25" floppy drive, a mouse, Ethernet connector and a price of a little over $6,000."	Jul 12 11:58
cubezzz	of course compare that to an Amiga 1000	Jul 12 11:58
cubezzz	not so great price-wise	Jul 12 11:58
cubezzz	A Rolls-Royce in an era of $2000 computers	Jul 12 11:59
cubezzz	definitely a company worthy of study	Jul 12 12:00
cubezzz	"Many patent disclosures were in fact submitted for the innovations in the Star; however, at the time the 1975 Xerox Consent Decree, an FTC antitrust action, placed restrictions on what the company was able to patent"	Jul 12 12:00
DaemonFC	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnlk48OYUI8	Jul 12 12:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at Hendon Central Underground Station (Queens Road, London). http://4sq.com/9iuGY3		Jul 12 12:24
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cubezzz	"A few UNIVAC I systems stayed in service long after they were obsoleted by advancing technology. The Census Bureau used its two systems until 1963, amounting to twelve and nine years of service, respectively."	Jul 12 12:32
cubezzz	oldest still working computer:	Jul 12 12:37
cubezzz	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferranti_Pegasus	Jul 12 12:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Back on track. Congrats to ESP for the cup. Still sad that NED seems to be 2nd 4ever.		Jul 12 12:38
cubezzz	"The cabinet was built by Rolls Royce hence the car door handles."	Jul 12 12:38
MinceR	and it comes with a free clock applet	Jul 12 12:40
cubezzz	yes	Jul 12 12:42
DaemonFC	http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=43304	Jul 12 12:45
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DaemonFC	http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1837756183.html	Jul 12 12:59
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DaemonFC	That one has cubezzz written all over it	Jul 12 12:59
DaemonFC	a little new for him though	Jul 12 12:59
MinceR	actually "cubezzz" doesn't appear on that page even once :>	Jul 12 13:00
DaemonFC	http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1837714169.html	Jul 12 13:00
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DaemonFC	and one for MinceR	Jul 12 13:00
DaemonFC	with a 500 MB hard drive no less	Jul 12 13:00
DaemonFC	(Didn't know they still made those)	Jul 12 13:00
MinceR	yes, i'm totally in Southwest Yankeestan	Jul 12 13:01
DaemonFC	http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1837933109.html	Jul 12 13:01
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DaemonFC	$55? Has it been slightly crashed? :P	Jul 12 13:02
MinceR	it's only a seagate	Jul 12 13:02
DaemonFC	http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1836589897.html	Jul 12 13:03
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DaemonFC	ahem, activation anyone?	Jul 12 13:03
DaemonFC	people embarrass themselves on Craigslist	Jul 12 13:05
MinceR	the word you're looking for is "crack"	Jul 12 13:05
DaemonFC	it's awesome	Jul 12 13:05
DaemonFC	Buy my hard drive with Windows 7 and I'll throw in the SLP bootloader at no additional charge	Jul 12 13:06
DaemonFC	B-)	Jul 12 13:06
DaemonFC	the worst part about a CRT monitor/TV is when they fail and you have to dispose of them	Jul 12 13:10
DaemonFC	that's when you find a dumpster to throw it in when nobody is looking :)	Jul 12 13:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] The coat and the pants do all the work, but the vest gets all the gravy		Jul 12 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] File-sharing, copyright and the digital consumer: http://bit.ly/bXFHYD typical: not a single voice representing the public #deact #copyright		Jul 12 13:19
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DaemonFC	http://people.freebsd.org/~adamw/gnome_kde_deps/	Jul 12 13:25
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DaemonFC	old, but still, lol	Jul 12 13:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Penguins Rejoice, Spotify Lands On Linux - http://tcrn.ch/9GovpG closed source, but it's a start #spotify #linux		Jul 12 13:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] pic of the week: London Borough market - http://bit.ly/9XEfdv "Gromit, that's it! Cheese! We'll go somewhere where there's cheese!" #london		Jul 12 13:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Internet Kill Switch - http://bit.ly/cNeQVy bad idea, says Uncle Brucie: "would have all sorts of unforeseen ancillary effects" #net		Jul 12 14:00
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Why doesn't GamePark just run Android on their GP2X? It already runs !Linux http://u.nu/7qb6d		Jul 12 14:09
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Darl McBride's brother, Kevin, whos a lawyer, makes a fool of himself saying !Linux copied generic lines from UNIX http://u.nu/8rb6d		Jul 12 14:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] I am officially utterly addicted to the black little nuggets of licorice deliciousness http://twitpic.com/24nw4c		Jul 12 14:24
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Diablo-D3	hey schestowitz	Jul 12 14:29
Diablo-D3	identica apparently keeps statistics on your daily posting average	Jul 12 14:29
Diablo-D3	whats yours? :D	Jul 12 14:29
MinceR	finally i've found out why SWT has that non-native tab widget	Jul 12 14:31
MinceR	and that it's optional :)	Jul 12 14:32
schestowitz	[11:15] <cube486> a 10 sec delay between bot posts might be an idea	Jul 12 14:37
schestowitz	The issue there was Twitter API lag	Jul 12 14:37
schestowitz	[11:32] <TechrightsBot> Title: Compiz 0.9 Available; gains aero-snap like plug-in & total rewrite \| OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 65.27 KB	Jul 12 14:43
schestowitz	kwin has had this since 4.4	Jul 12 14:43
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schestowitz	[11:41] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Indianapolis/Marion County switch from Windows to RHEL	Jul 12 14:46
schestowitz	oracle	Jul 12 14:46
schestowitz	Proprietary, like a lot of IBM's	Jul 12 14:46
Aondo	what's the difference between old compiz snap and aero-snap? :P	Jul 12 14:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Placed under surveillance by order of Brussels - http://bit.ly/cdnBm2 & if corrupt foreign police threaten to finger you? (via @jmcesteves)		Jul 12 14:50
Diablo-D3	[09:26:32] <MinceR> finally i've found out why SWT has that non-native tab widget	Jul 12 14:50
Diablo-D3	[09:27:23] <MinceR> and that it's optional :)	Jul 12 14:50
DaemonFC	Aondo, I've never seen a snap plugin for Compiz	Jul 12 14:50
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Diablo-D3	MinceR: yeah, they have a sane tab widget that only kicks in when the native toolkit cant handle that	Jul 12 14:51
Aondo	DaemonFC there are a couple	Jul 12 14:51
Aondo	included with ubuntu :)	Jul 12 14:51
DaemonFC	I'm still running into a couple problems with Ubuntu Lucid	Jul 12 14:51
DaemonFC	I'm pretty sure they are kernel issues	Jul 12 14:51
MinceR	actually apparently the native tab widget is for the cases which all toolkits can handle and for anything extra (like buttons on a tab) the custom one is needed	Jul 12 14:52
Diablo-D3	MinceR: thats what I just said.	Jul 12 14:52
DaemonFC	hard system lockups when running some things that shouldn't be able to lock up the system (but manage to anyway)	Jul 12 14:52
MinceR	it doesn't just "kick in", it's a different class	Jul 12 14:52
Diablo-D3	MinceR: you sure? I swear it takes over when the native cant handle it	Jul 12 14:52
MinceR	well, i see CTabFolder and TabFolder on the web	Jul 12 14:53
schestowitz	[13:10] <DaemonFC> the worst part about a CRT monitor/TV is when they fail and you have to dispose of them	Jul 12 14:53
schestowitz	[13:11] <DaemonFC> that's when you find a dumpster to throw it in when nobody is looking :)	Jul 12 14:53
schestowitz	I did that yesterday :-)	Jul 12 14:53
MinceR	and i've seen Eclipse use the custom tab widget on GTK+, which can certainly handle buttons on it	Jul 12 14:53
MinceR	(and even tab under the container, but Eclipse wasn't using that)	Jul 12 14:53
DaemonFC	I'm considering loading Maverick alpha 2	Jul 12 14:54
MinceR	i'm considering loading Lenny	Jul 12 14:54
DaemonFC	just because I'm getting lock-ups on the "Stable" version anyway	Jul 12 14:54
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Spotify P2P Music Program Released For Linux http://cli.gs/jQAeu !fs !linux !floss !techrights		Jul 12 14:54
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DaemonFC	so what the hell?	Jul 12 14:54
Diablo-D3	MinceR: the gtk code isnt the best it can be, but I really dont mind the custom tab widget	Jul 12 14:54
*Diablo-D3 uses eclipse daily, btw		Jul 12 14:54
Aondo	i find that any instability issues is either with hardware, or graphic drivers ati/nvidia, anything else is just very unlikely :P	Jul 12 14:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Ian McDonald's amazing novel THE DERVISH HOUSE: Turkey's mystical nanotech future http://tinyurl.com/3y84ejh		Jul 12 14:55
TechrightsBot	Title: Ian McDonald's DERVISH HOUSE, superb novel of the mystical nano future of Istanbul - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 21.8 KB	Jul 12 14:55
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Well, moving from a hodgepodge of Microsoft software to RHEL with Oracle database is still better	Jul 12 14:55
DaemonFC	right?	Jul 12 14:55
MinceR	Diablo-D3: well, now that i know why it's there, i don't mind it either	Jul 12 14:55
MinceR	up until now i was like "why didn't they like the native tab widget?"	Jul 12 14:55
DaemonFC	I doubt Microsoft is happy over losing a customer that bought licenses by the hundreds	Jul 12 14:55
DaemonFC	:P	Jul 12 14:55
DaemonFC	lots of politicians have the attitude of "waste all the money you want, we can always make more taxes"	Jul 12 14:57
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 14:57
DaemonFC	Updike was caught jerking off to porn on a city computer at one point	Jul 12 14:58
DaemonFC	as I understand it	Jul 12 14:58
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] The ISO has modified its procedures after the controversial adoption of Microsoft's OOXML http://cli.gs/jHY35 !fs !linux !floss !techrights		Jul 12 14:59
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DaemonFC	SGI is now just rubbernecking XFS completely	Jul 12 15:00
DaemonFC	pulling source code and making their own broken "releases" that they had nothing to do with	Jul 12 15:01
DaemonFC	:/	Jul 12 15:01
*DaemonFC wonders why they do this		Jul 12 15:01
DaemonFC	IRIX is dead	Jul 12 15:01
DaemonFC	XFS's real work goes straight into the Linux kernel itself	Jul 12 15:01
DaemonFC	why make their own "releases"?	Jul 12 15:02
DaemonFC	WHY!?!? :P	Jul 12 15:02
MinceR	time for SGI to switch to GNU/Linux already	Jul 12 15:02
schestowitz	Diablo-D3: "	Jul 12 15:02
schestowitz	Daily average	Jul 12 15:02
schestowitz	37	Jul 12 15:02
schestowitz	"	Jul 12 15:02
Diablo-D3	holy crap dude	Jul 12 15:02
Diablo-D3	I have a daily average of 3	Jul 12 15:02
Diablo-D3	MinceR: they only use their own OS on their superclusters	Jul 12 15:03
Diablo-D3	they ship linux workstations	Jul 12 15:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RIAA boss Bainwol paid $2 million in 2008 - http://bit.ly/aM3qbu defending those poor, starving artists #riaa		Jul 12 15:03
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DaemonFC	IRIX is dead	Jul 12 15:04
DaemonFC	why use an OS that they don't even sell anymore?	Jul 12 15:04
DaemonFC	I think the only IRIX work still being done is to satisfy outstanding support contracts from the point they decided to kill it	Jul 12 15:05
DaemonFC	nobody should be trying to migrate TO IRIX	Jul 12 15:05
DaemonFC	:)	Jul 12 15:05
DaemonFC	the whole point of the extended support for existing customers is to help them migrate to Linux	Jul 12 15:06
schestowitz	DaemonFC: yes	Jul 12 15:06
DaemonFC	which was also probably their thinking behind porting XFS	Jul 12 15:06
DaemonFC	shows you they had misgivings about the future of IRIX at least 5 years before they decided to kill it	Jul 12 15:07
DaemonFC	According to Eric Sandeen, XFS has a good long life ahead of it in Linux	Jul 12 15:08
DaemonFC	no matter what happens to SGI	Jul 12 15:08
DaemonFC	I tend to believe him	Jul 12 15:08
DaemonFC	XFS has had some major performance work done on it lately	Jul 12 15:10
DaemonFC	I may have to try it out again in Linux 2.6.35	Jul 12 15:10
DaemonFC	it looks like it should be at least some gains across the board	Jul 12 15:10
DaemonFC	http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_35#head-a5e07af03c0c63e6ab06e6d7eb388dc3e888b91a	Jul 12 15:12
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DaemonFC	that's the biggest win I see	Jul 12 15:12
DaemonFC	delayed logging	Jul 12 15:12
DaemonFC	http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2010-05/msg00329.html	Jul 12 15:14
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DaemonFC	check that out when you get to 4-8 threads	Jul 12 15:15
DaemonFC	jesus christ	Jul 12 15:15
DaemonFC	lol	Jul 12 15:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Government 'lied over Iraq's WMD' - http://bit.ly/dmqWJs I'm shocked, shocked to find that lying is going on in here #iraq #lies		Jul 12 15:17
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Does this mean google prefers quantity over quality for !android?		Jul 12 15:19
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Does this mean Google prefers quantity over quality? http://bit.ly/djKotk		Jul 12 15:19
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DaemonFC	from all the benchmarks I've looked at, Delayed Logging makes only a small difference on single and dual core processors	Jul 12 15:26
DaemonFC	but if you have a quad core or better, it makes a massive difference	Jul 12 15:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft UK: Don't Cave to UK Survey's Linux "Suggestions" - http://bit.ly/d4xBIb nicely done #uk #microsoft #linux		Jul 12 15:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Sending an actual hardcopy letter of complaint to #CoOpBank over stupidass policy requiring a fax for overseas transfers		Jul 12 15:30
schestowitz	"	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	Despite these Dilbertesque failings, Ballmer may have been just	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	the guy to champion this project. Like every great salesman, Ballmer	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	could charge into meetings and immediately raise the crowd's	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	temperature with his booming voice. He'd become animated, waving	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	his hands in the air and telling everyone how important their work	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	was to the world. He infused a contagious energy, and many	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	developers thrived on this "mission from God" intensity. They truly	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	believed they were doing something that would revolutionize the	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	world.	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	"	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	"mission from God"?	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	Microsoft?	Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz	God sure it evil	Jul 12 15:37
MinceR	well, there are evil gods too	Jul 12 15:38
MinceR	at least to the same extent as good ones exist :>	Jul 12 15:38
schestowitz	"Good" by whose standards?	Jul 12 15:40
schestowitz	The bible? And if so, which one and who wrote it?	Jul 12 15:40
MinceR	well, i thought it was a moral category	Jul 12 15:41
MinceR	and morals have little to do with religion	Jul 12 15:42
MinceR	so it would be something like the standards of relatively sane humans	Jul 12 15:42
schestowitz	"	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	Myhrvold had gotten the RISC religion when he read a book on	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	computer designs called Computer Architecture, A Quantitative	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	Approach, by John Hennessy and Dave Patterson. Myhrvold was	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	concerned that all of Microsoft's products ran only on Intel silicon,	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	and thus Microsoft's future was directly tied to Intel's, and to Intel's	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	continuing ability to dominate the PC industry with its X86, or	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	CISC-based, architecture. He said as much in a confidential	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	Microsoft report he wrote in the early 1990s called "Technology	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	Shifts in the Operating Systems of the 1990s."	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	Myhrvold convinced Gates that Microsoft needed to be doing a	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	portable operating system—one that would run on a broad spectrum	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	of processors. So with Ballmerian intensity, Myhrvold was	Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	hammering on Gates, touting, "RISC, RISC, RISC."	Jul 12 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all! How are we all doing today?		Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz	"	Jul 12 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @bbctech: Google has released a suite of tools that let non-programmers create apps 4 Android smartphones. http://bit.ly/b99sLr		Jul 12 16:04
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MinceR	so what came of that?	Jul 12 16:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Time for Free Software to Square up to Foursquare - http://bit.ly/dC78Zn as #Foursquare finally becomes useful, #freesw needs to match it		Jul 12 16:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Funny pic, good article RT @sjvn: Apple and AT&T: Time to Wake Up and Smell the Class Action http://is.gd/dp63N		Jul 12 16:33
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cubezzz	well	Jul 12 16:34
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] PC-BSD 8.1 RC1 is pretty cool, and fast		Jul 12 16:34
cubezzz	it is significant that we have an almost homogenous cpu market	Jul 12 16:34
Diablo-D3	yeah, everybody uses ARM	Jul 12 16:35
cubezzz	intel and microsoft must have some nefarious deal hidden in a vault somewhere	Jul 12 16:39
Diablo-D3	hidden?	Jul 12 16:39
Diablo-D3	thats pretty well known dude	Jul 12 16:39
cubezzz	have you seen it?	Jul 12 16:39
Diablo-D3	intel and microsoft are in bed with each other, legally, above board, and publically notified.	Jul 12 16:39
cubezzz	I actually have a few Cyrix 486SLC's	Jul 12 16:40
MinceR	i used to have an AMD K5	Jul 12 16:40
MinceR	it was crap	Jul 12 16:40
cubezzz	I can't complain, the cpu still works 17 years later	Jul 12 16:41
MinceR	Quake 1.08 didn't even run on it, had to downgrade to 1.06	Jul 12 16:41
cubezzz	sometimes I'm not sure who made the cpu	Jul 12 16:41
cubezzz	there's cpu's branded IBM	Jul 12 16:41
cubezzz	but I don't think IBM actually made them	Jul 12 16:41
schestowitz	[16:06] <MinceR> so what came of that?	Jul 12 16:42
schestowitz	Watch what arm does to Atom/x86 at,	Jul 12 16:42
MinceR	i mean, afaik m$ didn't really shine on the "portable OS" thing	Jul 12 16:43
cubezzz	no, that's a major shift	Jul 12 16:43
cubezzz	right, I keep forgetting Cyrix is defunct now	Jul 12 16:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Yet More Lawyers Jump on Turn Piracy Into Profit Bandwagon - http://bit.ly/9T0ZIb and become much slicker #piracy #lawsuits		Jul 12 16:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at River Lee. http://4sq.com/bKEAT6		Jul 12 16:45
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cubezzz	no wait, IBM did make cpus	Jul 12 16:47
cubezzz	but see here:	Jul 12 16:48
cubezzz	"IBM was not allowed to sell their CPUs if they were not part of a system or upgrade board."	Jul 12 16:48
MinceR	they make Power CPUs now, afaik	Jul 12 16:48
cubezzz	the AIM alliance -> Apple–IBM–Motorola	Jul 12 16:49
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux http://cli.gs/Pu4Aj !fs !linuc !techrights		Jul 12 16:49
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cubezzz	was there any windows on PowerPC?	Jul 12 16:50
cubezzz	I guess not	Jul 12 16:51
schestowitz	"	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	In preparation for her interview, Chung had talked to the CEO of	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	STAC, Gary Clow, as well as other Gates rivals. She quoted a Clow	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	comment to Gates on the air.	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	"A lot of people make that analogy that competing with Bill Gates	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	is like playing hardball," she had Clow saying. "I'd say it's more like	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	a knife fight."	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	"I've never heard any of these things," Gates said. "You know,	Jul 12 16:52
cubezzz	looking at the history of the PC is almost all lock-in to intel and microsoft	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	you're saying like a knife fight. That's silliness. It's—childish. I mean, why	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	be a mouthpiece for that kind of—of silliness? Why doesn't he just—just	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	say them—anyway, it—because it has nothing to do with the patent	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	lawsuit. It has to do with just, you know, creating a—you know, sort of a	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	David versus Goliath thing out of it. Well, I'm done."	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	And with that, Gates walked off the set.	Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz	"Can I just ask you one more question, Bill?" Chung said.	Jul 12 16:53
schestowitz	His voice trailed off into the distance, "No, I don't think so."	Jul 12 16:53
schestowitz	It wasn't much later that Chung left CBS, and many people wondered if	Jul 12 16:53
schestowitz	Gates had had something to do with it.	Jul 12 16:53
schestowitz	"	Jul 12 16:53
schestowitz	What a sissy	Jul 12 16:53
cubezzz	Gates is a real nasty piece of work	Jul 12 16:54
cubezzz	I bet we know about 10% of it	Jul 12 16:54
cubezzz	but we have IBM and MIcrosoft on different sides of the fence so to speak	Jul 12 16:55
cubezzz	of course people from former Lotus and former DRI are going to say things like that	Jul 12 17:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] satipera Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux http://cli.gs/Pu4Aj !fs !linux !techrights		Jul 12 17:04
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squarepeg	what's new guys?	Jul 12 17:39
schestowitz	that foursquare is annoying. Why are people just broadcasting their location to twitter? Will there be loosquare next?	Jul 12 17:53
schestowitz	hey, paul	Jul 12 17:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Welcome to Genomes Unzipped - http://bit.ly/a3lFPY "experts in scientific, legal, ethical & commercial aspects of genomics" #blog #genomics		Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Panel: Copyright Needed In Music, But Should Benefit Musicians - http://bit.ly/cyDGvW "more than half of Beyoncé's income from branding"		Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] 'A real free press for the first time in history' http://bit.ly/bkG6H1		Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ‘A real free press for the first time in history’: Wikileaks editor speaks out in London - http://bit.ly/dq8YeV let's hope it continues		Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] It's Your Right to Know: the song - http://bit.ly/bZnRfE everyone join in, now (via @deburca @WhatDoTheyKnow) #ogov #transparency		Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ACTA negotiators inform the EU Parliament in secret - http://bit.ly/ajHwER shame on the EU (via @technollama) #acta #eu		Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: ACTA negotiators inform the EU Parliament in secret - http://bit.ly/ajHwER shame on the EU (via @technollama) #acta #eu		Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks founder reflects on media failures http://bit.ly/ddy2h0 http://colleteralmurder.com/		Jul 12 18:02
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DaemonFC	speak softly and carry a big stick	Jul 12 18:41
DaemonFC	B-)	Jul 12 18:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Noooooooooo! ♺ @BreakingNews: Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says he's weighing run for president in 2012 AP http://bit.ly/d9BvsN		Jul 12 18:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I just unlocked the "Local" badge on @foursquare! http://4sq.com/d7EgrC		Jul 12 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at My Home (Front Street, Slip End, Luton). http://4sq.com/c7RyEu		Jul 12 18:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @ansol: New blog post: Brasil traz alguma justiça às leis de direitos de autor e sistemas de restrições http://ur1.ca/0nx05		Jul 12 19:03
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] The government might put me through school (loan-free) to get some credentials so I can find work easier. I'll know in one more day.		Jul 12 19:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] SuperMe: my kick-ass wife's new game is all about mental health http://tinyurl.com/2clgv79		Jul 12 19:17
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pipe bomb got wife of CEO of Adams Resources Exploration, which just got a contract from BP to explore the Gulf further http://u.nu/8bu6d		Jul 12 19:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Linux Outlaws - Live now! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linuxoutlaws #linux #linux #microsoft #microsoft #mvp		Jul 12 19:24
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MinceR	speak softly and carry a big fucking sword	Jul 12 19:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] It appears the "Phone your blog" feature of Wordpress is a US only number....shame...here's hoping for a UK one soon! #wordpress		Jul 12 19:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2,750 (or 3,650) Schools Are Dumping Windows and Moving to GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/0mic6 Russia too, hopefully http://ur1.ca/0nxbc		Jul 12 19:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux in the news: http://ur1.ca/0nxbo http://ur1.ca/0nxbp http://ur1.ca/0nxbq		Jul 12 19:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Farewell to Windows: The #Ubuntu Option http://10magazine.asia/5618/the-ubuntu-option/		Jul 12 19:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop Linux advocacy news sample http://ur1.ca/0nxc7 http://ur1.ca/0nxc8		Jul 12 19:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A New Era of #Compiz http://ur1.ca/0nxcc also see http://ur1.ca/0nxcd		Jul 12 19:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Five and a Half Reasons I Prefer #Linux (as a power user) http://ur1.ca/0nxcl also see http://ur1.ca/0nxcm		Jul 12 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Servers: A Real Data Center Choice http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3892081/Linux-Servers-A-Real-Data-Center-Choice.htm		Jul 12 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google debuts DIY code tools for Android phones http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10597430.stm #android #android		Jul 12 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest on Google's GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxd9 http://ur1.ca/0nxda		Jul 12 19:48
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ender2070	Chrome OS will be uber	Jul 12 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FS / #Linux Audiocasts: http://ur1.ca/0nxcv http://ur1.ca/0nxcw http://twit.tv/floss126 http://ur1.ca/0nxcx		Jul 12 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Ballnux phones (Linux with Microsoft tax): http://ur1.ca/0nxdi http://ur1.ca/0nxdj		Jul 12 19:49
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ender2070	I was testing out PC-BSD	Jul 12 19:50
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ender2070	8.1 RC1	Jul 12 19:50
ender2070	it comes with everything and nothing	Jul 12 19:51
ender2070	proprietary nvidia drivers, adobe flash, mp3 codecs	Jul 12 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good AMD contributions to #Linux #Graphics Stack http://ur1.ca/0nxdo http://ur1.ca/0nxdp		Jul 12 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'One of the common misconceptions about GNU/Linux is that it "doesn't have any applications"' http://ur1.ca/0nxe5		Jul 12 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Three video transcoding applications for Linux worth knowing http://ur1.ca/0nxe6 Wallpapers Made Using Inkscape http://ur1.ca/0mhdq		Jul 12 19:51
ender2070	no irc client	Jul 12 19:52
ender2070	had to install it off the repo	Jul 12 19:52
ender2070	128mb for konversation :(	Jul 12 19:52
ender2070	took forever	Jul 12 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of TeamViewer and rekonq for #gnu #linux http://ur1.ca/0nxe0 http://ur1.ca/0nxe1		Jul 12 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microblogging/Identi.ca clients reviewed http://ur1.ca/0lwxp http://ur1.ca/0nxee		Jul 12 19:52
ender2070	on fedora, 128mb is probably the size of an update for well over 50 packages	Jul 12 19:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Multimedia News: http://ur1.ca/0nxen http://ur1.ca/0nxeo http://ur1.ca/0nxep		Jul 12 19:53
ender2070	no chromium it seems	Jul 12 19:54
ender2070	first forum post I looked asking for it was full of trolls	Jul 12 19:54
ender2070	'google spies on you' 'ie, safari are way better'	Jul 12 19:54
ender2070	'firefox is better chromium is google so it spies on you'	Jul 12 19:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Games News: http://ur1.ca/0nxez http://ur1.ca/0nxf1 http://ur1.ca/0nxf2		Jul 12 19:54
ender2070	except firefox ALSO spies on you for google	Jul 12 19:55
MinceR	everything is better than everything	Jul 12 19:55
ender2070	lol	Jul 12 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Google SketchUp Runs in gnu #Linux http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/google-sketchup.html		Jul 12 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lord Mandelson is just embarrassing himself http://tinyurl.com/23hxpor - Yep thats Lord Mandy..... #fail #fail #deb #deb		Jul 12 19:55
ender2070	to me, as long as its free software I don't care	Jul 12 19:56
ender2070	and as long as its not microsoft	Jul 12 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Dot on Planet KDE, Georg Greve http://ur1.ca/0nxfb http://ur1.ca/0nxfc		Jul 12 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ghacks.net's Wallen has a new series on #Xfce http://ur1.ca/0nxfl http://ur1.ca/0nxfm		Jul 12 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz But without Ballnux, how will Microsoft make money? ;) People seem to be going rapidly off MS products.		Jul 12 19:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distributions that deserve more recognition http://ur1.ca/0nxft http://ur1.ca/0nxfu http://ur1.ca/0nxfv		Jul 12 19:57
ender2070	Sabayon comes with proprietary stuff	Jul 12 19:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great Review for Puppy #Linux http://www.kmeckstein.com/linux/and-they-call-it-puppy-love/		Jul 12 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Salix #LXDE 13.1 Released http://www.muktware.com/distromatch/09/2010/229		Jul 12 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Release News http://ur1.ca/0nxg5 http://ur1.ca/0nxg7		Jul 12 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010 Spring coverage http://ur1.ca/0nxge http://ur1.ca/0nxgf http://ur1.ca/0nxgh http://ur1.ca/0nxgi http://ur1.ca/0nxgj		Jul 12 20:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Expect to be a billion dollar co by next fiscal: #RedHat http://ur1.ca/0nxgm http://ur1.ca/0nxgn http://ur1.ca/0nxgp http://ur1.ca/0nxgq		Jul 12 20:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora news, #OLPC presence http://ur1.ca/0nxgw http://ur1.ca/0nxgx http://ur1.ca/0nxh0 http://ur1.ca/0nxh1		Jul 12 20:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian News: #Firefox returns to Debian? http://ur1.ca/0nxh6 http://ur1.ca/0nxh7		Jul 12 20:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical #Ubuntu packaging discussed http://ur1.ca/0nxhf http://ur1.ca/0nxhg		Jul 12 20:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misc. #Ubuntu news: http://ur1.ca/0nxhm http://ur1.ca/0nxhn http://ur1.ca/0nxho http://ur1.ca/0nxhp http://ur1.ca/0nxhq		Jul 12 20:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lisa writes for Intel re "The Fragmentation of Linux: Two Points of View" http://ur1.ca/0nxic		Jul 12 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/7/6/arm-muscling-desktop-space/ http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/NetLogic-Microsystems-NLX321103A/		Jul 12 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News about #Ubuntu derivatives/flavours for netbooks http://ur1.ca/0nxhv http://ur1.ca/0lzgf		Jul 12 20:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sorry, that last dent was about #ARM using Linux against x86. This fight is good for Linux		Jul 12 20:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Phones news: Flash Player 10.1 Ported To #MeeGo , #Android http://ur1.ca/0nxiw Open source software battle heats up http://ur1.ca/0nxix		Jul 12 20:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android apps galore http://sensormote.weebly.com/ http://androidspin.com/2010/07/10/android-market-on-the-verge-of-hitting-100k/		Jul 12 20:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Why I Turned In My iPhone and Went #Android ' http://blog.louisgray.com/2010/07/why-i-turned-in-my-iphone-and-went.html #hypePhone		Jul 12 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android: it's about the apps http://ur1.ca/0nxjm http://ur1.ca/0nxjn http://ur1.ca/0nxjp http://ur1.ca/0nxjq		Jul 12 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia/MeeGo as #Linux proponent http://ur1.ca/0nxja http://ur1.ca/0nxjb http://ur1.ca/0nxjc http://ur1.ca/0nxje		Jul 12 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Android Grows at a Blistering Pace" http://ur1.ca/0nxjx http://ur1.ca/0nxjy http://ur1.ca/0nxk1		Jul 12 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Android Gains Marketshare While All Others Lose It' http://ur1.ca/0nxka #Fujitsu joins http://ur1.ca/0nxkb new SDK http://ur1.ca/0nxkc		Jul 12 20:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola runs ahead with Linux (Android) http://ur1.ca/0nxkv http://ur1.ca/0nxkw		Jul 12 20:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu on Nexus One, Froyo on Sprint’s Hero http://ur1.ca/0nxkc 'Android sees healthy growth' http://ur1.ca/0nxkn		Jul 12 20:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with Linux: More to come http://ur1.ca/0nxl5 http://ur1.ca/0nxl6		Jul 12 20:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Affordable Android-powered iPad-like Tablet Computers Galore" http://www.junauza.com/2010/07/affordable-android-powered-ipad-like.html		Jul 12 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open source chosen for first major contract for Indian ID cards project http://ur1.ca/0nxlg used to be just Microsoft #nasscom		Jul 12 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "University Challenge & the open source debating society" http://ur1.ca/0nxlj it spreads		Jul 12 20:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Newspaper chain Journal Register Company announces move to open source http://ur1.ca/0nxlr Free is better sometimes		Jul 12 20:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open source financial analytics startup OpenGamma comes out of stealth mode http://ur1.ca/0nxm4		Jul 12 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The state of the open source nation http://www.pcpro.co.uk/realworld/359326/the-state-of-the-open-source-nation nation or world?		Jul 12 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Technologies Are Buggier Than Open Source? http://ur1.ca/0nxma http://ur1.ca/0nxmf #antifud		Jul 12 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Project Management Tools http://ur1.ca/0nxml Some are not so "Open Source"		Jul 12 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia resorts to software freedom to rescue Symbian http://ur1.ca/0nxms http://ur1.ca/0nxmt http://ur1.ca/0nxmu		Jul 12 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Events: #Rails Sydney Meetup July 2010 http://ur1.ca/0nxn1 Libre Software Meeting GNU gathering this week in Bordeaux http://ur1.ca/0nxn3		Jul 12 20:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web browser comparisons: FOSS fares well http://ur1.ca/0nxn9 http://ur1.ca/0nxna http://ur1.ca/0nxnb		Jul 12 20:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Public License rewrite deletes Netscape http://ur1.ca/0nxnk Mozilla helped rescue the Web from MSIE		Jul 12 20:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox 4 Beta Brings Speed Boost http://ur1.ca/0nxnq http://ur1.ca/0nxnr http://ur1.ca/0nxns http://ur1.ca/0lqcn http://ur1.ca/0nxnt		Jul 12 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New examples of F/OSS in #SaaS http://ur1.ca/0nxnz http://ur1.ca/0lxk4 #fogcomputing		Jul 12 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CEO of #Ingres interviewed http://opensource.cbronline.com/features/roger-burkhardt-ceo-ingres-080710 #db		Jul 12 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My Top 10 Most Useful #Joomla Components http://phpbuilder.com/columns/joomla/components/voja_janjic070710.php3		Jul 12 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Considering Open Source Software for K-12 http://ur1.ca/0nxop "IT directors are replacing existing solutions with OSS"		Jul 12 20:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Software: Less Feature-Rich Than Proprietary Competition? http://ur1.ca/0nxp0		Jul 12 20:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tired defence of "Open core" http://ur1.ca/0nxpf Analysis of Consona’s Acquisition of Compiere http://ur1.ca/0nxpg		Jul 12 20:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GOLEMs are better than “Intellectual Property” - Passing criticism on “IP” http://blogs.fsfe.org/mk/?p=612 ideas are not property		Jul 12 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GhostBSD 1.0 reviewed, FreeBSD compared to #Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxpk http://ur1.ca/0nxpl #bsd		Jul 12 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #fsf reaches out http://ur1.ca/0lxbr http://ur1.ca/0nxq1		Jul 12 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman and GCC http://ur1.ca/0nxqh views on copyrights http://ur1.ca/0lwd2		Jul 12 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Notable FOSS Project Releases http://ur1.ca/0nxqs http://ur1.ca/0nxqt http://ur1.ca/0nxqu		Jul 12 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Notable FOSS Project Releases {ctd.} http://ur1.ca/0nxr1 http://ur1.ca/0nxr2 http://ur1.ca/0nxr3 http://ur1.ca/0nxr4		Jul 12 20:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government of Australia opens to more interaction with Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrc http://ur1.ca/0nxrf		Jul 12 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] U.K. government could drop Microsoft for Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrh http://ur1.ca/0nxri http://ur1.ca/0lxy8		Jul 12 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption -- WOW! http://ur1.ca/0nxrn Korea next? http://ur1.ca/0lwxd		Jul 12 20:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Legal foundations of the open source way http://ur1.ca/0nxrt also see The Open Science Shift http://ur1.ca/0nxru		Jul 12 20:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Sara Coffin likes to think of Schreibstuck as the dance equivalent of open-source software" http://ur1.ca/0nxrz		Jul 12 20:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenData wins: http://ur1.ca/0nxs6 http://ur1.ca/0nxs7 http://ur1.ca/0nxs8 http://ur1.ca/0nxs9 http://ur1.ca/0nxsa		Jul 12 20:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Course Production http://ur1.ca/0nxsd Does Creative Commons need more court cases? http://ur1.ca/0nxse #openaccess		Jul 12 20:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "A full open source hardware track offers a range of talks to get you started with hardware hacking" http://ur1.ca/0nxsj		Jul 12 20:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FOSS Programming News: http://ur1.ca/0nxsq http://ur1.ca/0nxsr http://ur1.ca/0nxss http://ur1.ca/0nxst ("published in July 2010")		Jul 12 20:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF "The mission of this project is improving the interoperability of UOF." http://ur1.ca/0nxt4 http://ur1.ca/0nxt5 @via robweir		Jul 12 20:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) Version 1.2" http://ur1.ca/0nxtf #odf		Jul 12 20:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest dirt on #ACTA http://ur1.ca/0lxbs http://ur1.ca/0llwj		Jul 12 20:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital Economy Act causes unrest, still http://ur1.ca/0nxts http://ur1.ca/0nxtt http://ur1.ca/0nxtu #debill #deact		Jul 12 20:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apologies for posting 3 days of news (accumulated) all at once. I'm mostly out of the house this week.		Jul 12 20:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Linux Outlaws - Live now! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linuxoutlaws #linux #linux #microsoft #microsoft #mvp		Jul 12 20:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin exactly		Jul 12 20:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Government of Australia opens to more interaction with Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrc http://ur1.ca/0nxrf		Jul 12 20:45
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schestowitz	back in a mo... of to pick my mom	Jul 12 20:49
ThistleWeb	<schestowitz> back in a mo... of to pick my mom << sounds like a special version of blind date	Jul 12 20:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows Phone 7 Issues Could Mirror Kin's http://tinyurl.com/3y7qy7l #microsoft #microsoft #kin #mvp #xp #vista #windows #fail		Jul 12 21:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] It is alleged that #Microsoft sold 503 #kin phones. Way to go Microsoft! You've got the mobile platform sorted! ;) Watch out Android!		Jul 12 21:07
ender2070	we need a compiler bot	Jul 12 21:14
ender2070	##c++ has one	Jul 12 21:15
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cube486	look ma no heat sink :)	Jul 12 21:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Since I was impressed with Zenwalk, Zencafe looks like an interesting project. Think I will give the Slackware distro a look. #linux		Jul 12 21:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and another non-Ubuntu derived distro thats caught my eye: Lunar Linux http://www.lunar-linux.org/index.php Give that a look too!		Jul 12 21:29
*cubezzz wonders if MinceR tried Mepis		Jul 12 21:41
MinceR	i did	Jul 12 21:42
MinceR	then i decided i don't want it	Jul 12 21:42
cubezzz	why not?	Jul 12 21:42
MinceR	its configuration utilities appear to be proprietary	Jul 12 21:42
MinceR	and their scheme about source code acquisition is shady	Jul 12 21:43
MinceR	if i had looked at distrowatch more thoroughly i would have also noted that it lacks abiword, gnumeric, inkscape and gimp	Jul 12 21:44
MinceR	do only mention a few things	Jul 12 21:44
cubezzz	hmmm	Jul 12 21:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] American National Standards Institute (ANSI) on Twitter @ansidotorg (I would have gone for something catchier like "US-Standards")		Jul 12 21:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @Grant_Sewell_IT: Currently reading "The Art of Community" by @jonobacon. Awesome read! #fb		Jul 12 22:06
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ender2070	Yay I might be going to school :D	Jul 12 22:24
ender2070	i'll know tomorrow	Jul 12 22:25
ender2070	its all looking good	Jul 12 22:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Census axed as accurate information declared frivolous http://newstechnica.com/?p=2273		Jul 12 22:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:Proof_that_all_odd_numbers_are_prime		Jul 12 22:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Nintendo 3DS packs extra weapons against piracy - http://bit.ly/bwq4uK if it truly believes that, it's doomed #nintendo #piracy		Jul 12 22:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Closing the Digital Frontier - http://bit.ly/ds6qcF more wishful thinking of the "I'm glad I'm a closed gamma" meme #clueless		Jul 12 22:56
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sebsebseb	whos here?	Jul 12 22:58
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MinceR	(flash) (audio) (animated) http://www.thebest404pageever.com/swf/56k.swf	Jul 12 22:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody Nintendo (above everyone else) should know "resistance is futile" every console they've released has had a "backup device"		Jul 12 23:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody The Magicom, Diskdoctor V64, R4 Whats up with Nintendo? been hit with the MS arrogance/self importance stick?		Jul 12 23:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Software Freedom, Open Source Software, and Jane Jacobs - http://bit.ly/aAuR77 "Yeah but, no but - " #opensource #freesw #osi		Jul 12 23:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody Producing a console which prevents "piracy" would be a similar task to making a deodorant to stop Ballmer sweating on stage....		Jul 12 23:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Looking More Closely At Judge Gertner's Constitutional Analysis Of Copyright Awards In Tenenbaum Case - http://bit.ly/dCmry3 fascinating		Jul 12 23:14
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MinceR	gn	Jul 12 23:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody You know me...any excuse to get a Ballmer dig in the conversation.		Jul 12 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] CopyWrong! - http://bit.ly/cAAiS4 how copyright is destroying our heritage, Part 768576: in this case, old, crumbling piano rolls #copyright		Jul 12 23:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] MediaTek Joins Open Handset Alliance to Bring its Processors to Low-Cost Android Phones - http://bit.ly/aDkUEt expanding the ecosystem		Jul 12 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "powerful application platform for people to create compelling new experiences." - PR RE: Winmob 7......this will be good, after hundreds		Jul 12 23:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] of thousands of apps for both Apple and Android...what on earth does Microsoft think could be new?		Jul 12 23:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lets hope the "new" isn't a resurrection of the Kin or an appearance of the Zune on Winmob7, neither of them are either new or compelling.		Jul 12 23:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I say correct, it claims im sitting in a tree...but I do know that tree! Its close by!		Jul 12 23:56

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