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sebsebseb | schestowitz: DaemonFC uh what @ the Canonical branding thing? Or I guess I have to listen to the MP3 to understand. | Jul 12 00:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out my review (spoilers included) of Predators http://tinyurl.com/2dmwllj #predators #scifi #movies | Jul 12 00:03 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/cvN40o roflcopter | Jul 12 00:06 | |
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DaemonFC | "The Indiana prison system has used federal funding since 2006 to house some sex offenders after they're released from prison in motels across the state. " the hell......? | Jul 12 00:07 |
DaemonFC | that's a great idea | Jul 12 00:07 |
DaemonFC | hey, I think I figured out why kids get abducted at motels! | Jul 12 00:07 |
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DaemonFC | sebsebseb: I had an idea | Jul 12 00:11 |
DaemonFC | you know those rfid chips they want to start implanting in kids at birth so the government can track them for life? | Jul 12 00:11 |
DaemonFC | why can't they rig up a shock collar that sex offenders have to wear, that senses if they get too close to a kid | Jul 12 00:12 |
DaemonFC | and shocks the hell out of them and notifies the police? :) | Jul 12 00:12 |
schestowitz | tessier: I want to give you login credentials for WordPress | Jul 12 00:12 |
schestowitz | I'm on and off for the coming week, so might need someone to have access just in case | Jul 12 00:13 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Or perhaps those mine detecting monkeys that Morocco offered the US government | Jul 12 00:13 |
ianto | DaemonFC: Brilliant idea however I've never heard of RFID tagging kids yet | Jul 12 00:13 |
DaemonFC | you figure they could be retasked to follow sex offenders and shock them if they get too close to a kid? | Jul 12 00:14 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 12 00:14 |
DaemonFC | ianto: Rich parents are doing that | Jul 12 00:14 |
DaemonFC | it's some RFID/GPS combo thing that they tag their kids with | Jul 12 00:14 |
ianto | Waste of money imho | Jul 12 00:14 |
DaemonFC | yeah, until the kid gets abducted and the FBI knows whose door to break down :) | Jul 12 00:15 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: the US shipped ordinary Americans to Africa? | Jul 12 00:15 |
DaemonFC | besides, it's their money to waste I guess | Jul 12 00:15 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: We control most African governments | Jul 12 00:15 |
DaemonFC | we could probably deport our sex offenders there | Jul 12 00:16 |
schestowitz | I know | Jul 12 00:16 |
schestowitz | Through bodies like IMF | Jul 12 00:16 |
DaemonFC | or maybe just put them all on rafts and make them paddle to Cuba | Jul 12 00:16 |
schestowitz | And your hedge funds, e.g. Elliot | Jul 12 00:16 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: you seem proud of it | Jul 12 00:16 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd get some shit taken care of if I was the President B-) | Jul 12 00:17 |
tessier | schestowitz: Ok. | Jul 12 00:17 |
DaemonFC | you know buried in all that anti-terrorism legislation, it lets the President go through DHS to revoke the citizenship of anyone not born in the US? | Jul 12 00:17 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: TJ has new videos: | Jul 12 00:17 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgmIiM1P9ko&feature=digest | Jul 12 00:17 |
DaemonFC | I'd use that on foreign born criminals | Jul 12 00:17 |
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schestowitz | very funny | Jul 12 00:17 |
DaemonFC | you know, like New Zealand does | Jul 12 00:17 |
DaemonFC | we have enough problems without importing them from the rest of the world | Jul 12 00:18 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: rush speaks just like you: | Jul 12 00:19 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtL0QQxRzR4&feature=digest | Jul 12 00:19 |
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schestowitz | And proud of it | Jul 12 00:19 |
schestowitz | Then blames Obama of ruining America, of course.. :- | Jul 12 00:19 |
DaemonFC | the US Constitution makes a clear distinction between "natural born citizen" and "naturalized citizen" | Jul 12 00:19 |
DaemonFC | that's why they didn't go as far as to give the President the ability to revoke MY citizenship | Jul 12 00:19 |
DaemonFC | it would be less likely to hold up in the court system | Jul 12 00:19 |
DaemonFC | it says the naturalization process is to be defined by statutory law | Jul 12 00:20 |
DaemonFC | which means that naturalized citizenship could theoretically be removed | Jul 12 00:20 |
DaemonFC | I don't know that it's ever been tested though | Jul 12 00:21 |
DaemonFC | but the constitutional protection of naturalized citizens is likely not as strong | Jul 12 00:21 |
DaemonFC | because if they can revoke it and deport you, well, yeah.... | Jul 12 00:21 |
DaemonFC | and again, nobody bitches about New Zealand having that policy, AND using it | Jul 12 00:22 |
DaemonFC | they don't want to import trouble makers | Jul 12 00:22 |
DaemonFC | and neither should the United States | Jul 12 00:22 |
schestowitz | tessier: treed is now an administrator (God mode) | Jul 12 00:23 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would introduce a bill providing for the revocation and deportation of any naturalized US citizen that has committed a Class A, B, or C felony under the laws of the Federal or State systems. | Jul 12 00:24 |
DaemonFC | and mandatory expedition of such revocation and deportation | Jul 12 00:24 |
schestowitz | The sie has 3400 registered users | Jul 12 00:24 |
DaemonFC | through a limited appeals process | Jul 12 00:24 |
schestowitz | deportation to where? | Jul 12 00:24 |
schestowitz | Fugitives? | Jul 12 00:25 |
DaemonFC | i.e., you can appeal it once, and the court has to make up their mind within 6 months | Jul 12 00:25 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: If they are dual citizens, that's an easy one | Jul 12 00:25 |
schestowitz | I used to think Rush was right wing | Jul 12 00:25 |
schestowitz | Then I listened to you | Jul 12 00:25 |
DaemonFC | return to sender, and ban from reentry into the US | Jul 12 00:25 |
schestowitz | dual citizens won't commit crimes | Jul 12 00:26 |
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schestowitz | They are usually better behaved | Jul 12 00:26 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UNIX Love of Ransom: Proprietary hypePhone, Novell, SCO http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/unix-and-proprietary/ | Jul 12 00:26 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would also introduce a bill to revoke diplomatic immunity from all felony offenses and Class A or Class 1 Misdemeanors. | Jul 12 00:26 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 12 00:26 |
DaemonFC | my thinking on that is that if you commit a crime of that nature, common sense would tell you it was against the law even if you're unfamiliar with the law | Jul 12 00:27 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: I would also like to see illegal immigrants who are caught hit with a $50,000 fine, to be extracted from their employer. | Jul 12 00:29 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jul 12 00:29 |
DaemonFC | right now, employers are happy to view a possible $500 fine as a cost of doing business | Jul 12 00:30 |
DaemonFC | the feds round up 100 illegals and you still only owe $50,000 in fines for all 100 of them | Jul 12 00:30 |
DaemonFC | $50,000 for every individual illegal immigrant would create a liability that most employers would find unacceptable | Jul 12 00:31 |
tessier | DaemonFC: Why would an illegal immigrant tell you who their employer is? | Jul 12 00:31 |
DaemonFC | hell, it would drive most of them out of business if they tried it just once | Jul 12 00:31 |
DaemonFC | because most crackdowns happen at the location of employment | Jul 12 00:32 |
tessier | I would actually like to see huge fines levied against employers also. | Jul 12 00:32 |
tessier | Because it would put a stop to the practice, temporarily hose our economy, and then we would get meaningful reform. | Jul 12 00:32 |
DaemonFC | tessier: Say the feds raid a meat packing plant that has 200 illegal immigrants working there. | Jul 12 00:32 |
DaemonFC | Right now, they have a $100,000 fine on their hands | Jul 12 00:32 |
tessier | Right | Jul 12 00:32 |
DaemonFC | under my system, they would have a $10 million fine | Jul 12 00:33 |
tessier | Ok by me. | Jul 12 00:33 |
tessier | But neither Republicans nor Democrats are going for it. | Jul 12 00:33 |
DaemonFC | yes, they both like illegal immigration | Jul 12 00:33 |
DaemonFC | for different reasons | Jul 12 00:33 |
tessier | And their constituents like it. | Jul 12 00:34 |
DaemonFC | the last level of government where you can expect any non-corrupt politicians is at state level | Jul 12 00:34 |
tessier | So what's the problem with it, again? | Jul 12 00:34 |
DaemonFC | and that's why you have Arizona's new law | Jul 12 00:34 |
tessier | Are any of AZ's congressman pushing for the sort of fines you are talking about? | Jul 12 00:34 |
DaemonFC | unfortunately not | Jul 12 00:35 |
DaemonFC | the feds pretend they're covering the fining system too | Jul 12 00:36 |
DaemonFC | http://www.californiaemploymentattorneyblog.com/2010/06/employers-face-stringent-penalties-for-knowingly-hiring-illegal-immigrants.html | Jul 12 00:36 |
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DaemonFC | " In the past nine months, 65 employers have been arrested and 109 companies have been fined a total of about $3 million" | Jul 12 00:36 |
DaemonFC | woohoo | Jul 12 00:36 |
DaemonFC | a while $3 million fine spread between 109 companies | Jul 12 00:36 |
DaemonFC | that'll sure teach them.... :P | Jul 12 00:36 |
DaemonFC | http://www.coffeecup.com/free-editor/ | Jul 12 00:41 |
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DaemonFC | works well in Wine | Jul 12 00:41 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Rush Limbaugh is crazy | Jul 12 00:55 |
DaemonFC | he pushes for things the Constitution and laws obviously would not allow | Jul 12 00:56 |
DaemonFC | which makes him look retarded as well | Jul 12 00:56 |
DaemonFC | if it's "Constitutional" to assess a million dollar fine per MP3, it' | Jul 12 00:56 |
DaemonFC | it's constitutional to fine an employer $50,000 per illegal alien | Jul 12 00:56 |
DaemonFC | the courts are really screwing up unrelated things if they allow million dollar MP3 fines | Jul 12 00:57 |
DaemonFC | that's why the federal judges are reducing the damages to like $2,400 each and inventing constitutional protections that really don't exist | Jul 12 00:58 |
DaemonFC | they know that if it's constitutionally legal to fine an MP3 download at a million dollars, it's constitutional to fine someone a million dollars for spitting on the sidewalk | Jul 12 00:58 |
DaemonFC | they know exactly what kind of damage could be done if they allow the RIAA's insanity to pass | Jul 12 00:59 |
DaemonFC | courts are typically careful when they set precedent that could apply to many other areas of law | Jul 12 00:59 |
DaemonFC | that's why they are not letting the million dollar per MP3 judgments stand | Jul 12 01:00 |
DaemonFC | personally, I think $1,000 speeding tickets are probably excessive in many cases where they're written | Jul 12 01:01 |
DaemonFC | but the courts affirm those | Jul 12 01:01 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Wins, Even on Desktops (and I’m Taking a Break) http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/on-pure-gnu-linux-advocacy/ signing off tomorrow | Jul 12 01:27 | |
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schestowitz | The trolls tend to misuse my photos when I upload them | Jul 12 01:28 |
DaemonFC | ahem.... | Jul 12 01:32 |
DaemonFC | "Roy is standing in front of Coca Cola umbrellas" | Jul 12 01:32 |
DaemonFC | "Some people say that Coca Cola murders union organizers in South America" | Jul 12 01:33 |
DaemonFC | "Therefore, some people would argue that Roy murders South American union organizers for Coca Cola" | Jul 12 01:33 |
DaemonFC | "Or at the very least, supports doing it" | Jul 12 01:33 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 12 01:33 |
schestowitz | I wasn't aware of these items when the photo was taken | Jul 12 01:34 |
DaemonFC | uh huh | Jul 12 01:34 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jul 12 01:34 |
DaemonFC | murderer! | Jul 12 01:34 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 12 01:34 |
schestowitz | It's really just an eye sore in a beach... not as bad as BP's | Jul 12 01:34 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: Did you know that Florida has an East Coast where oil isn't washing up and killing everything and everyone? | Jul 12 01:35 |
DaemonFC | Did you know that this represents almsot half of Florida's beaches? | Jul 12 01:35 |
DaemonFC | *This message brought to you by the Florida Tourism Board and BP | Jul 12 01:36 |
DaemonFC | hehe' | Jul 12 01:36 |
schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/T8SKS/ | Jul 12 01:36 |
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schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, I saw videos about Florida and posted them here | Jul 12 01:36 |
schestowitz | They use PR liars | Jul 12 01:36 |
schestowitz | Money before safety | Jul 12 01:36 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 12 01:37 |
DaemonFC | I saw those commercials and it just screamed "Ignore the 300 miles of beach where oil IS killing everything and just use the other side of the state!" | Jul 12 01:37 |
schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/tqlT2/ | Jul 12 01:38 |
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DaemonFC | "Don't let dying whales, dolphins, sea turtles, and who knows what else ruin your summer fun, just use the other side of the state!" | Jul 12 01:38 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The last Pirates of the Caribbean movie left off with them heading for Florida. | Jul 12 01:40 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Best Tech Guy caller EVER with Leo Laporte http://tinyogg.com/watch/tqlT2/ Hilarious | Jul 12 01:40 | |
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DaemonFC | "Don't ride the Sea Turtles, mate! There be no more of 'em here!" "Argggh!!!" | Jul 12 01:41 |
DaemonFC | If God intended for a little oil spill that's killing everything in the Gulf to ruin our fun in Florida, he wouldn't have made beaches on the other side of the state... | Jul 12 01:42 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jul 12 01:42 |
schestowitz | 'Intelligent' 'design' | Jul 12 01:52 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 12 01:55 |
DaemonFC | Catalyst 10.6 has landed in Mandriva 2010.1 backports | Jul 12 01:55 |
DaemonFC | now I might have an excuse to try it out | Jul 12 01:55 |
DaemonFC | I've been waiting for a distro to properly support Catalyst 10.6 | Jul 12 01:55 |
DaemonFC | due to the godawful old 2d acceleration that it replaces | Jul 12 01:56 |
schestowitz | x was better in previous distro... | Jul 12 01:58 |
schestowitz | This one slows down sometimes | Jul 12 01:58 |
schestowitz | Even suspends kwin effects | Jul 12 01:58 |
DaemonFC | I may just use Ubuntu and add the X Swat PPA | Jul 12 01:59 |
DaemonFC | to get Catalyst 10.6 | Jul 12 01:59 |
schestowitz | It's hard to tell what's causing it | Jul 12 01:59 |
DaemonFC | I'd rather put up with Windows than use the old FGLRX 2d architecture | Jul 12 01:59 |
DaemonFC | that thing was hell on wheels | Jul 12 01:59 |
schestowitz | Diagnosis doesn't show what puts burden on x | Jul 12 01:59 |
DaemonFC | yeah, I may just use Ubuntu 10.04 and slap the PPA onto it | Jul 12 02:00 |
schestowitz | hold on | Jul 12 02:00 |
*DaemonFC really really really doesn't want the old FGLRX | Jul 12 02:00 | |
DaemonFC | the old 2d architecture also interfered with 3d apps | Jul 12 02:01 |
DaemonFC | if you had compositing on | Jul 12 02:01 |
DaemonFC | causing weird artifacts and crashing | Jul 12 02:01 |
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*DaemonFC wonders if he can rig Ubuntu into booting in the first place | Jul 12 02:02 | |
DaemonFC | something with the Wubi version hated my GPU | Jul 12 02:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman’s Presentation From 2009 – eLiberatica (as Ogg) http://ur1.ca/0n53z transcoded, shared for insight | Jul 12 02:06 | |
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cube486 | do a ctcp on me :) | Jul 12 02:11 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 12 02:14 |
DaemonFC | Ubuntu 10.4 + PPA the hell out of it | Jul 12 02:15 |
DaemonFC | is probably my final answer here | Jul 12 02:15 |
DaemonFC | perhaps on my older system too | Jul 12 02:16 |
DaemonFC | my mom has been wanting a PC and I'm scared to death of what would happen if I handed her one with Windows on it | Jul 12 02:16 |
cube486 | you think I can run Windows 7? heh heh | Jul 12 02:16 |
DaemonFC | cube486: I've noticed that the improvements in Windows 7 reliability are mainly to make more DRM possible | Jul 12 02:17 |
DaemonFC | they're a side effect of enabling new DRM | Jul 12 02:17 |
cube486 | will it run in 16 megs of ram? | Jul 12 02:17 |
DaemonFC | not the main purpose | Jul 12 02:17 |
-NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@cg070c.halls.manchester.ac.uk has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Jul 12 02:17 | |
DaemonFC | oh sure, sure | Jul 12 02:17 |
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DaemonFC | Windows 7 will run on a 286 | Jul 12 02:17 |
cube486 | oh good | Jul 12 02:18 |
DaemonFC | but you have to run it in Standard Mode | Jul 12 02:18 |
DaemonFC | it trims the functionality back to a a message saying it failed to start | Jul 12 02:18 |
cube486 | bummer | Jul 12 02:18 |
DaemonFC | which Microsoft considers one step below Windows 7 Starter Edition | Jul 12 02:18 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 12 02:18 |
cube486 | guess I'll stick with Linux then | Jul 12 02:19 |
DaemonFC | cube486: The plus side is that since it can't start, it's immune from virus attacks | Jul 12 02:19 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 12 02:19 |
cube486 | watched that silly documentary on Gates yesterday | Jul 12 02:20 |
cube486 | it was quite bad | Jul 12 02:20 |
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DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 12 02:21 |
DaemonFC | brb | Jul 12 02:22 |
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cube486 | I guess DaemonFC left to buy more ram :) | Jul 12 02:22 |
cube486 | hmm, don't have tab completion any more | Jul 12 02:23 |
cube486 | but this is the most compact irc client I could find | Jul 12 02:23 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @astyguy: @jonobacon could you please get your followers submit their best linux apps to here http://www.reddit.com/r/Launchpad | Jul 12 02:23 | |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9mbwMEJ5Ik&feature=digest | Jul 12 02:27 |
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schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAyMYdQcwV4&feature=digest | Jul 12 02:27 |
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DaemonFC | I may have to shove an old graphics card in to get Ubuntu to even boot up | Jul 12 02:29 |
cube486 | I thought you didn't like Ubuntu? | Jul 12 02:31 |
DaemonFC | apparently nobody with a 5670 can get Ubuntu to boot | Jul 12 02:31 |
DaemonFC | the work around is to use a DVI to VGA adapter | Jul 12 02:32 |
DaemonFC | and then install the proprietary driver | Jul 12 02:32 |
DaemonFC | then remove the DVI to VGA adapter | Jul 12 02:32 |
schestowitz | Indiana floods? | Jul 12 02:32 |
schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqBURjOdOG8&feature=digest | Jul 12 02:32 |
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*DaemonFC wonders if he even still has one and why it would be necessary on a modern OS | Jul 12 02:32 | |
schestowitz | Watch how they connect warnings og global warming to terrorists | Jul 12 02:33 |
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DaemonFC | Osama Bin Laden = Climate change | Jul 12 02:33 |
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DaemonFC | what's so hard to grasp? | Jul 12 02:33 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jul 12 02:33 |
cube486 | dude, I bet I have less problems with my 486 :) | Jul 12 02:33 |
cube486 | plus I don't even have an ethernet card | Jul 12 02:36 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Snicker RT @mkapor: Paul the Octopus 8 for 8 in World Cup picks. Signs with Miami Heat. | Jul 12 02:54 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @pleia2: New blog post: "Bay Area Geeknic 2.5: Tailgate party!" http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=3201 | Jul 12 03:00 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, Catalyst 10.6 flies | Jul 12 03:52 |
DaemonFC | I like it | Jul 12 03:52 |
DaemonFC | none of the Compiz problems their old driver had | Jul 12 03:52 |
cubezzz | more SCO news on slashdot | Jul 12 03:54 |
DaemonFC | I seriously like this new Catalyst driver | Jul 12 03:55 |
DaemonFC | it beats the hell out of their old ones that would limp around and crash more than they worked | Jul 12 03:55 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 03:55 |
cubezzz | this is a nice quote: | Jul 12 04:03 |
cubezzz | "But eventually the open source world won, by producing Javascript libraries that grew over the brokenness of Explorer the way a tree grows over barbed wire." | Jul 12 04:03 |
DaemonFC | cubezzz, I ended up connecting through a VGA cable until I could get the proprietary ATI driver installed :P | Jul 12 05:47 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jul 12 05:47 |
DaemonFC | I had to compensate for a lot of incorrect Ubuntu behavior | Jul 12 05:55 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jul 12 05:55 |
DaemonFC | Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; en) Presto/2.6.30 Version/10.70 | Jul 12 06:02 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 12 06:02 |
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MinceR | geekings | Jul 12 06:33 |
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DaemonFC | MinceR: Glorious news | Jul 12 06:34 |
DaemonFC | the FGLRX driver no longer sucks | Jul 12 06:34 |
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DaemonFC | and Opera is working nicely on Linux now too :) | Jul 12 06:35 |
DaemonFC | pinch me | Jul 12 06:35 |
MinceR | fglrx may yet start sucking again | Jul 12 06:37 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: They fixed it, I shit you not | Jul 12 06:37 |
DaemonFC | Oblivion works | Jul 12 06:37 |
DaemonFC | even with Compiz on | Jul 12 06:37 |
MinceR | and that's all you test for? :> | Jul 12 06:38 |
DaemonFC | well, it's a good start | Jul 12 06:38 |
DaemonFC | Compiz didn't even work all that well in the old drivers | Jul 12 06:38 |
MinceR | but it's only a start | Jul 12 06:38 |
DaemonFC | who cares? At least I can use Linux now without pining for Vista's screaming responsiveness | Jul 12 06:39 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jul 12 06:39 |
MinceR | well, that's an improvement | Jul 12 06:40 |
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DaemonFC | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23620 | Jul 12 06:52 |
DaemonFC | heh | Jul 12 06:52 |
TechrightsBot | Title: WineHQ Bugzilla – Bug 23620 – Running IMVU causes a kernel panic and freezes the system. .::. Size~: 24.46 KB | Jul 12 06:52 |
DaemonFC | ------- Comment #1 From Dmitry Timoshkov 2010-07-12 00:50:40 (-) [reply] ------- | Jul 12 07:02 |
DaemonFC | Report this to your distro. | Jul 12 07:02 |
DaemonFC | ------- Comment #2 From Dmitry Timoshkov 2010-07-12 00:50:56 (-) [reply] ------- | Jul 12 07:02 |
DaemonFC | Closing invalid. | Jul 12 07:02 |
DaemonFC | ------- Comment #3 From Ryan 2010-07-12 00:57:17 (-) [reply] ------- | Jul 12 07:02 |
DaemonFC | Pass the buck. OK, thanks. | Jul 12 07:02 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] In the space of 2 hours, watched porpoises swim in the Bay, & ppl play in a park near my home. That is the beauty of San Francisco | Jul 12 07:04 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] I love the cool city of St. Francis, the kind saint | Jul 12 07:04 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] San Francisco is the city of eternal Autumn, my favorite season | Jul 12 07:04 | |
DaemonFC | why exactly am I supposed to report bad behavior in Wine to Ubuntu? | Jul 12 07:05 |
MinceR | well, there's at least one app the maintainers of which refer you to your distro first so that distro-specific issues and patches can be considered | Jul 12 07:09 |
MinceR | and they'll pass it upstream if needed | Jul 12 07:09 |
MinceR | not sure if wine works like that | Jul 12 07:10 |
MinceR | but you know how ubuntu patches their stuff | Jul 12 07:10 |
DaemonFC | uhh, yes | Jul 12 07:20 |
DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 12 07:20 |
DaemonFC | Opera is slower on Linux than Windows | Jul 12 07:20 |
DaemonFC | but then again, so is Firefox | Jul 12 07:20 |
DaemonFC | oh well | Jul 12 07:20 |
tessier | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jul-07.html | Jul 12 07:23 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft MS-PL code in Mono - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 14.93 KB | Jul 12 07:23 |
DaemonFC | I wonder if Chrome bothers optimizing for Linux much | Jul 12 07:25 |
tessier | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/08/microsoft_virtual_page_turn_patent/ | Jul 12 07:25 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft seeks patent on ebook page flip • The Register .::. Size~: 29.3 KB | Jul 12 07:25 |
MinceR | unsure | Jul 12 07:27 |
MinceR | on one hand, they originally coded it specifically for winblows | Jul 12 07:27 |
MinceR | on the other hand, chrome os is not winblows | Jul 12 07:27 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: According to Peacekeeper, Firefox and Opera lag behind their Windows counterparts | Jul 12 07:39 |
DaemonFC | but Chrome performs jsut as well | Jul 12 07:39 |
DaemonFC | so it seems that Chrome is the only major browser optimized for Linux | Jul 12 07:40 |
DaemonFC | hmmm, Firefox is a lot slower on Linux | Jul 12 07:44 |
DaemonFC | over a third slower | Jul 12 07:44 |
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DaemonFC | interesting | Jul 12 07:57 |
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DaemonFC | Minefield on Linux is equally fast as Minefield on Windows | Jul 12 07:58 |
DaemonFC | but Firefox 3.x on Linux is way slower than on Windows | Jul 12 07:58 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] KDE e.V. Quarterly Reports Relaunched - http://bit.ly/cg6mgs lots of activity #kde | Jul 12 08:02 | |
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DaemonFC | odd that Mozilla is only now starting to care if their Linux version is fast or not | Jul 12 08:04 |
DaemonFC | Firefox has suffered from years of neglect | Jul 12 08:06 |
DaemonFC | seems liek version 4 is lipstick on the pig | Jul 12 08:06 |
tessier | http://slushdot.com/article.php?story=20100711150240520 | Jul 12 08:30 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Kevin McBride leaks some of the SCO code comparison documents - slushdot .::. Size~: 40.82 KB | Jul 12 08:30 |
tessier | schestowitz: Check that out. Crazy. You can't implement a compatible software stack without using the same symbols and values. | Jul 12 08:30 |
tessier | Hardly copy and pasting or stealing code. | Jul 12 08:30 |
schestowitz | Heh. Barbara... | Jul 12 08:31 |
schestowitz | I corresponded with her recently... | Jul 12 08:31 |
schestowitz | http://www.mcbride-law.com/2010/07/09/lanham-act-claims-extend-to-false-statements-by-implication-and-innuendo/ | Jul 12 08:32 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Lanham Act Claims Extend to False Statements by Implication and Innuendo | McBride Law, PC .::. Size~: 80.84 KB | Jul 12 08:32 |
schestowitz | I seem to have missed this whole story (need to catch up with Groklaw) | Jul 12 08:33 |
DaemonFC | Who cares about SCO? | Jul 12 08:41 |
DaemonFC | They're done for | Jul 12 08:41 |
DaemonFC | there are so many rulings against them from so many courts that they're wasting more money at this point every time they appeal | Jul 12 08:42 |
DaemonFC | They'd be better off by firing their CEO, issuing a public apology for being such assholes | Jul 12 08:43 |
DaemonFC | then possibly becoming a Linux company themselves | Jul 12 08:43 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: SwiftFox overwrites your Firefox installation completely | Jul 12 08:47 |
DaemonFC | it does not just install side by side and update alternatives | Jul 12 08:47 |
DaemonFC | ickkth | Jul 12 08:47 |
DaemonFC | oh dammit, nevermind | Jul 12 08:49 |
DaemonFC | it had actually stayed running as a zombie and was causing new Firefox windows to be swiftfox | Jul 12 08:49 |
*DaemonFC doesn't understand why the executable has to be named Firefox | Jul 12 08:50 | |
DaemonFC | Opera for Linux is interesting | Jul 12 08:52 |
DaemonFC | the text parsing part of the benchmark is way faster than Windows | Jul 12 08:52 |
DaemonFC | but every other score is much lower | Jul 12 08:52 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: have you tried Konqueror? | Jul 12 08:52 |
DaemonFC | don't have it | Jul 12 08:52 |
DaemonFC | not going to klutter my GNOME system to get it | Jul 12 08:52 |
MinceR | also, if FF 4.x is slower on GNU/Linux than it used to be then that's hardly lipstick | Jul 12 08:53 |
MinceR | 094808 < DaemonFC> not going to klutter my GNOME system to get it | Jul 12 08:53 |
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MinceR | yet you make sweeping proclamations | Jul 12 08:53 |
DaemonFC | no, Firefox 4 nightlies on Linux and Windows tie | Jul 12 08:53 |
DaemonFC | but Firefox 3.6 is way slower on Linux than 3.6 on Windows | Jul 12 08:53 |
DaemonFC | I meant to say that maybe they're cleaning it up a little? | Jul 12 08:54 |
DaemonFC | but still overall it has nothing on Chrome or Opera | Jul 12 08:54 |
DaemonFC | The following NEW packages will be installed: | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | dolphin exiv2 gdebi-kde install-package kdebase-bin kdebase-data | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 kdesudo kfind konqueror konqueror-nsplugins | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | kpackagekit kubuntu-debug-installer libakonadiprivate1 libattica0 | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libboost-program-options1.40.0 libclucene0ldbl libdbusmenu-qt2 libexiv2-6 | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libiodbc2 libkonq5 libkonq5-templates libkonqsidebarplugin4 libmysqlclient16 | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libpackagekit-glib2-12 libpackagekit-qt-12 libphonon4 libplasma3 | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libpolkit-qt-1-0 libqca2 libqt4-assistant libqt4-dbus libqt4-designer | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libqt4-help libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-script | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libqt4-scripttools libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-test | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libsoprano4 libssh-4 | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-xv0 libxine1 | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | libxine1-bin libxine1-console libxine1-misc-plugins libxine1-x mysql-common | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | oxygen-icon-theme packagekit packagekit-backend-apt phonon | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | phonon-backend-xine plasma-scriptengine-javascript polkit-kde-1 python-kde4 | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | python-packagekit python-qt4 python-sip shared-desktop-ontologies | Jul 12 08:55 |
MinceR | stop flooding | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | software-properties-kde soprano-daemon ttf-dejavu ttf-dejavu-extra | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | update-manager-kde virtuoso-nepomuk | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | 0 upgraded, 83 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | Need to get 78.9MB of archives. | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | After this operation, 279MB of additional disk space will be used. | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | Konqueror is so lightweight | Jul 12 08:55 |
MinceR | nobody cares how deficient your gnome system is | Jul 12 08:55 |
DaemonFC | it fell out of the KDE dependency tree and hit every branch on the way down :P | Jul 12 08:55 |
MinceR | and FF does indeed have something on other browsers | Jul 12 08:56 |
MinceR | extensions, flexibility | Jul 12 08:56 |
DaemonFC | Chrome has extensions | Jul 12 08:56 |
DaemonFC | it is also about three times faster than Firefox | Jul 12 08:56 |
MinceR | does it have NoScript and RefControl? | Jul 12 08:57 |
MinceR | does it have Taboo? | Jul 12 08:57 |
DaemonFC | Firefox 3.6.3 X86-64 (as supplied by Ubuntu): 2341 / Firefox 3.6.3 32-bit as provided by Mozilla: 2842 / Minefield for 7-12 X86-64: 3783 | Jul 12 08:58 |
DaemonFC | Chrome 6.0.458.1 X86-64 from Google: 8368 | Jul 12 08:58 |
DaemonFC | so Firefox is not only slower on Linux anyway, Ubuntu's build is even slower than the official one | Jul 12 08:59 |
DaemonFC | Firefox 3.6.6 got 3453 on Windows 7 | Jul 12 09:01 |
DaemonFC | Chrome is the only major browser where the Linux build is a match for the Windows build | Jul 12 09:01 |
tessier | http://www.mcbride-law.com/2010/07/09/lanham-act-claims-extend-to-false-statements-by-implication-and-innuendo/#printpreview | Jul 12 09:02 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Lanham Act Claims Extend to False Statements by Implication and Innuendo | McBride Law, PC .::. Size~: 80.84 KB | Jul 12 09:02 |
tessier | Wow. | Jul 12 09:02 |
DaemonFC | Firefox is a Windows program that happens to have a defective Linux port | Jul 12 09:02 |
tessier | schestowitz: That's good reading too. Amazig. | Jul 12 09:02 |
DaemonFC | would be my way of describing it | Jul 12 09:02 |
MinceR | also, FF has proper font rendering, while Chrome fucks it up because freetype is NIH | Jul 12 09:03 |
DaemonFC | There's a Debian developer that ended up having to fix a lot of Firefox code that was written for Windows and broke badly on Linux that came to the same conclusion | Jul 12 09:03 |
DaemonFC | in fact, the add-ons GUI was what he was talking about I believe | Jul 12 09:03 |
MinceR | but the world could certainly use a web browser that doesn't suck. someone should write one. | Jul 12 09:03 |
DaemonFC | then Firefox attacked Debian for making it works somewhat properly on Linux | Jul 12 09:03 |
DaemonFC | *work | Jul 12 09:04 |
DaemonFC | I'm not surprised Ubuntu is ditching Firefox on their leaner spins | Jul 12 09:04 |
DaemonFC | Lubuntu and Ubuntu Netbook Remix | Jul 12 09:04 |
DaemonFC | Chromium will probably do quite well there | Jul 12 09:04 |
MinceR | except for font rendering | Jul 12 09:04 |
MinceR | or script whitelisting | Jul 12 09:04 |
DaemonFC | if Firefox is this bad on a newish CPU (mine) | Jul 12 09:04 |
MinceR | or configurable referer blocking | Jul 12 09:04 |
DaemonFC | imagine how much it must suck on old systems | Jul 12 09:05 |
DaemonFC | or netbooks | Jul 12 09:05 |
MinceR | it works fine on my netbook | Jul 12 09:05 |
DaemonFC | Firefox on Linux is slower than the IE 9 preview | Jul 12 09:05 |
DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 12 09:05 |
MinceR | wiat | Jul 12 09:05 |
MinceR | wait | Jul 12 09:05 |
DaemonFC | I do commonly refer to Firefox as the IE for Linux | Jul 12 09:05 |
MinceR | the IE 9 preview runs on linux? | Jul 12 09:05 |
DaemonFC | everything needs it, can't get rid of it | Jul 12 09:05 |
DaemonFC | performs badly, sucks up resources, has tons of security bugs | Jul 12 09:06 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: No, identical system, but IE 9 Preview 3 on Windows 7 is faster than Firefox 3.6.3 on Linux | Jul 12 09:06 |
MinceR | why not compare it to FF4? | Jul 12 09:06 |
DaemonFC | Firefox is firebombing | Jul 12 09:06 |
DaemonFC | well, if you want to compare it to Firefox 4, then yeah, Firefox 4 compares favorably to IE 9 | Jul 12 09:07 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 09:07 |
DaemonFC | but what doesn't? | Jul 12 09:07 |
DaemonFC | IE 8? | Jul 12 09:07 |
MinceR | i mean, you're bringing up a version of IE that isn't even out yet | Jul 12 09:08 |
MinceR | as usual, turning reality out of its asshole to prove a point that's wrong | Jul 12 09:08 |
DaemonFC | it's like IE is the low anchor for any proper benchmark test | Jul 12 09:08 |
MinceR | IE isn't even in the category | Jul 12 09:08 |
DaemonFC | to say that something beats IE is saying that it's something that's not IE | Jul 12 09:08 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 12 09:08 |
MinceR | it's not a web browser, it's a backdoor with a GUI | Jul 12 09:08 |
DaemonFC | I would say IE is good for your low anchor and Chrome's development branch is going to be your high anchor | Jul 12 09:09 |
DaemonFC | IE had to go back to Firefox 2.0 to find a version of Firefox that IE 8 managed to outrun | Jul 12 09:10 |
DaemonFC | by just a tad :P | Jul 12 09:10 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: IE 8 is just like Steve Ballmer if you think about it | Jul 12 09:11 |
DaemonFC | old, fat, and covered in sweat | Jul 12 09:11 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 09:11 |
DaemonFC | That's pretty bad when I had to go back over 4 years to find something that IE 8 could outrun, and even then Firefox 2 had quite a few things going for it that IE 8 still doesn't have | Jul 12 09:12 |
DaemonFC | SVG support, extensions, etc. | Jul 12 09:13 |
DaemonFC | so I wouldn't even say I would use IE 8 even if Firefox 2 was the only other choice | Jul 12 09:13 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Oddly enough, Opera has everything built-in that I would get a Firefox extension for | Jul 12 09:14 |
DaemonFC | adblock, built-in | Jul 12 09:14 |
DaemonFC | IRC, built in | Jul 12 09:14 |
DaemonFC | email, built-in (no need for Thunderbird) | Jul 12 09:14 |
DaemonFC | I think extensions are kind of gimmicky and open up a huge potential for abuse | Jul 12 09:15 |
DaemonFC | there's only like 3-4 of them that add anything practical to Firefox | Jul 12 09:15 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: malicious extensions have been floating around as long as browsers have supported extensions | Jul 12 09:17 |
DaemonFC | they're a liability that enable cross platform malware, I think | Jul 12 09:17 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Srebrenica: ten years on - http://bit.ly/9vEaNt lest we forget #srebrenica #bosnia | Jul 12 09:17 | |
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DaemonFC | MinceR: Let's say somehow I snagged the Adblock Plus website out of the blue one day somehow | Jul 12 09:18 |
DaemonFC | and I managed to load a malicious extension that says it is Adblock Plus | Jul 12 09:18 |
DaemonFC | would Firefox scream at the user not to install it? | Jul 12 09:18 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: guess what, other users have greater needs than you | Jul 12 09:19 |
MinceR | if you want to use a web browser that has no extensions support, go ahead and shut up | Jul 12 09:19 |
DaemonFC | well, when so many users want ad blocking, why not build it into the browser? | Jul 12 09:19 |
DaemonFC | Firefox has to appease advertisers | Jul 12 09:19 |
MinceR | or we'll just call you stupid for not using links2 -g | Jul 12 09:19 |
MinceR | even though it's faster than chrome | Jul 12 09:20 |
DaemonFC | this way they can say "We don't support that | Jul 12 09:20 |
MinceR | ABP happens to be better than most other ad blocking support in browsers | Jul 12 09:20 |
DaemonFC | Opera's is fine | Jul 12 09:20 |
DaemonFC | making filter rules is as easy as making them for Adblock Plus | Jul 12 09:21 |
MinceR | can opera's fetch blacklists from external sources? | Jul 12 09:21 |
DaemonFC | you mean auto-update the list? | Jul 12 09:21 |
DaemonFC | no it doesn't | Jul 12 09:21 |
DaemonFC | it's not like you have to do that often anyway | Jul 12 09:21 |
MinceR | does opera say "we don't support that"? :> | Jul 12 09:21 |
DaemonFC | well, they wouldn't build in an ad blocker and then not support it | Jul 12 09:22 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 09:22 |
DaemonFC | that would be coutnerproductive | Jul 12 09:22 |
MinceR | let me get this straight | Jul 12 09:22 |
DaemonFC | they call attention to the fact that you can block annoying and offensive crap with iut | Jul 12 09:22 |
DaemonFC | *it | Jul 12 09:22 |
DaemonFC | so I would say that's an endorsement | Jul 12 09:22 |
MinceR | you insist on flaming FF's ad blocking support, citing a browser that has a worse one built in? | Jul 12 09:22 |
MinceR | please put brain in gear before engaging mouth/fingers. | Jul 12 09:22 |
DaemonFC | Firefox has no ad blocking support | Jul 12 09:22 |
DaemonFC | you have to bolt it on after the fact | Jul 12 09:22 |
MinceR | an extension is not "bolting it on" | Jul 12 09:23 |
DaemonFC | then they won't support you if it causes bugs | Jul 12 09:23 |
MinceR | it's the feature you've been flaming for the past minutes | Jul 12 09:23 |
MinceR | guess what, the developers of the extension will support it instead | Jul 12 09:23 |
DaemonFC | "Hey, go yell at that other guy" | Jul 12 09:23 |
DaemonFC | that's fun | Jul 12 09:23 |
DaemonFC | "We don't support that, it may crash Firefox and we don't support that" | Jul 12 09:24 |
MinceR | well, if you hate having to "go yell at that other guy", use winblows and IE... and shut up | Jul 12 09:24 |
DaemonFC | "Extensions can mutilate Firefox and we won't help you" | Jul 12 09:24 |
MinceR | ...except toolbars installed by malware will still not be "supported" | Jul 12 09:24 |
MinceR | so actually IE won't help you either | Jul 12 09:24 |
DaemonFC | Firefox supports malware toolbars | Jul 12 09:24 |
MinceR | and? | Jul 12 09:24 |
DaemonFC | a lot of them get stuffed in by third party software | Jul 12 09:24 |
DaemonFC | and Windows Update | Jul 12 09:24 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 09:24 |
MinceR | we're all waiting for the conclusion | Jul 12 09:25 |
DaemonFC | they have a blacklist | Jul 12 09:25 |
DaemonFC | why are they allowing Firefox to be polluted? | Jul 12 09:25 |
MinceR | of course, if letting arbitrary code be installed by the user is a Bad Thing in general, there's something for that too | Jul 12 09:25 |
MinceR | it's called hypePad | Jul 12 09:25 |
DaemonFC | no | Jul 12 09:25 |
DaemonFC | I mean blacklist crap that's installed into Firefox without user intervention | Jul 12 09:26 |
DaemonFC | using their bad plug-ins blacklist | Jul 12 09:26 |
MinceR | otherwise you could just avoid winblows and mind what you're installing | Jul 12 09:26 |
DaemonFC | at this point, they're practically in collusion with Microsoft | Jul 12 09:26 |
DaemonFC | since they aren't lifting a finger to stop them | Jul 12 09:26 |
MinceR | here's your tinfoil hat | Jul 12 09:26 |
DaemonFC | If I was Mozilla, I'd blacklist anything that Microsoft was trying to shove in without user permission | Jul 12 09:27 |
DaemonFC | to protect my users | Jul 12 09:27 |
DaemonFC | but they're probably getting paid to not do anything about that | Jul 12 09:27 |
MinceR | that's a good idea, but it won't stop there | Jul 12 09:27 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open data on Russian government spending - http://bit.ly/cJIf7f amazing how this idea is spreading #ogov #transparency #russia | Jul 12 09:27 | |
MinceR | m$ will keep changing the identifiers that are blacklisted | Jul 12 09:27 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Open Knowledge Foundation Blog » Blog Archive » Open data on Russian government spending .::. Size~: 32.3 KB | Jul 12 09:27 |
MinceR | perhaps they have better things to worry about? | Jul 12 09:28 |
DaemonFC | so why not have some kind of signing keys? | Jul 12 09:28 |
DaemonFC | signing keys can be revoked | Jul 12 09:28 |
MinceR | mandatory signing for plugins? no thanks | Jul 12 09:28 |
DaemonFC | and kill off everything the bad developer has put out there | Jul 12 09:28 |
MinceR | mandatory app signing was stupid enough | Jul 12 09:28 |
MinceR | if you disagree, go use symbian | Jul 12 09:28 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Or here's an idea | Jul 12 09:28 |
DaemonFC | don't load anything the user didn't install | Jul 12 09:28 |
DaemonFC | from within the browser | Jul 12 09:29 |
MinceR | actually every stupid idea you can come up with has already implemented somewhere :> | Jul 12 09:29 |
MinceR | and how do you tell the user didn't install it? | Jul 12 09:29 |
DaemonFC | the crap Microsoft is sneaking in was not requested | Jul 12 09:29 |
MinceR | store on disk which ones they did? | Jul 12 09:29 |
DaemonFC | use NTFS alternate data streams | Jul 12 09:29 |
MinceR | guess what, m$ can write into those files | Jul 12 09:29 |
DaemonFC | to mark where it came from | Jul 12 09:29 |
MinceR | yeah, because m$ stuff can't write NTFS alternate data streams | Jul 12 09:29 |
MinceR | oh, wait | Jul 12 09:29 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at Hendon Central Station (Hendon, London). http://4sq.com/9ooxQC | Jul 12 09:29 | |
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DaemonFC | Firefox could generate something randomly that only it can verify | Jul 12 09:30 |
DaemonFC | as it writes the extension to the disk | Jul 12 09:30 |
MinceR | get a clue, you're basically waging a war with the SYSTEM user on your winblows host | Jul 12 09:30 |
MinceR | you can't win | Jul 12 09:30 |
MinceR | firefox needs to store the information it needs to verify that | Jul 12 09:30 |
DaemonFC | that way if an extension shows up that Firefox didn't put there, it gets deleted | Jul 12 09:30 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 09:30 |
MinceR | and if it can retrieve that, so can others | Jul 12 09:30 |
DaemonFC | simple huh? | Jul 12 09:30 |
MinceR | if firefox can sign something, so can someone else | Jul 12 09:30 |
MinceR | yes, simple and ineffective | Jul 12 09:31 |
DaemonFC | it also raises a scandal if Microsoft circumvents that to continue to foist unwanted software | Jul 12 09:31 |
DaemonFC | maybe even material for a lawsuit | Jul 12 09:31 |
MinceR | m$ is already well known to foist unwanted software | Jul 12 09:31 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux - http://bit.ly/9h2nEO strange they waited until now #sco #linux | Jul 12 09:31 | |
DaemonFC | "If the user wanted it, they could have gone to Microsoft.com and installed it themselves | Jul 12 09:31 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Linux Story | Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux .::. Size~: 176.35 KB | Jul 12 09:31 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 09:31 |
MinceR | the zombies using m$ products still don't care | Jul 12 09:32 |
MinceR | same with crApple | Jul 12 09:32 |
MinceR | people are more stupid than you can imagine | Jul 12 09:32 |
DaemonFC | I think there has to be a way to stop or at least hinder drive by foistware | Jul 12 09:32 |
DaemonFC | and Mozilla is just being complacent | Jul 12 09:33 |
DaemonFC | if Mozilla cared about their own reputation, they would fight them on the beaches | Jul 12 09:33 |
DaemonFC | instead of bending over and taking it | Jul 12 09:33 |
DaemonFC | drive by download that crashes Firefox and causes security holes? | Jul 12 09:34 |
DaemonFC | Mozilla says "Meh" and shrugs | Jul 12 09:34 |
DaemonFC | that shows you they care I guess | Jul 12 09:34 |
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DaemonFC | I think they need to take the gloves off and stop this behavior right now | Jul 12 09:35 |
DaemonFC | it's unacceptable to let it continue | Jul 12 09:35 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: I suppose I'd say it like this | Jul 12 09:36 |
DaemonFC | You work hard to keep your property maintained | Jul 12 09:36 |
MinceR | there's no way to hinder foistware that's built into the OS and has SYSTEM privileges | Jul 12 09:36 |
DaemonFC | you have the nicest house on the neighborhood and worked to get it there | Jul 12 09:36 |
DaemonFC | then some asshole comes by and dumps garbage in your lawn | Jul 12 09:37 |
MinceR | the user can't trust winblows and the only way to fix the problem is by ditching winblows | Jul 12 09:37 |
DaemonFC | so you shake your fist and call them some filthy names and get rid of the garbage | Jul 12 09:37 |
MinceR | your analogy fails | Jul 12 09:37 |
DaemonFC | but the next time they do it, you give up and leave it there | Jul 12 09:37 |
DaemonFC | and they come by every day and toss in more garbage | Jul 12 09:37 |
DaemonFC | grow a pair and kick their ass already | Jul 12 09:37 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 09:37 |
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MinceR | "grow a pair and kick their ass" == upgrade to gnu/linux | Jul 12 09:38 |
DaemonFC | get rid of their garbage and sue them | Jul 12 09:38 |
DaemonFC | is what I would do | Jul 12 09:38 |
MinceR | that way m$ will no longer have the privileges to install anything on your box | Jul 12 09:38 |
MinceR | it's that simple | Jul 12 09:38 |
DaemonFC | they need to get rid of Microsoft's garbage | Jul 12 09:38 |
MinceR | well, maybe mozilla could sue them, but i doubt much will come of that | Jul 12 09:38 |
DaemonFC | then sue them | Jul 12 09:38 |
MinceR | could be worth a try | Jul 12 09:38 |
DaemonFC | I would | Jul 12 09:39 |
DaemonFC | I think they have a case | Jul 12 09:39 |
DaemonFC | Microsoft is interfering with their reputation | Jul 12 09:39 |
MinceR | perhaps it hasn't happened to mozilla yet | Jul 12 09:39 |
MinceR | could be worth asking :> | Jul 12 09:39 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: A bug in Microsoft's extension can open the user up to crashes and security vulnerabilities | Jul 12 09:39 |
DaemonFC | you didn't put the extension there | Jul 12 09:39 |
DaemonFC | the user never asked for it | Jul 12 09:40 |
DaemonFC | I think they have a case to sue | Jul 12 09:40 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 09:40 |
DaemonFC | call it "brand defacement" | Jul 12 09:40 |
MinceR | of course the most that will come of it legally would be a slap on the wrist | Jul 12 09:41 |
MinceR | but at least it generates publicity | Jul 12 09:41 |
DaemonFC | I'd compare it in court to someone spraying grafitti all over the side of my house | Jul 12 09:41 |
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MinceR | and you have yet another lost legal case you can show to the m$ apologists | Jul 12 09:41 |
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DaemonFC | MinceR: In that case I'd make some bad plug-ins that crashed IE | Jul 12 09:41 |
DaemonFC | and refer to the lawsuit as grounds for it being acceptable | Jul 12 09:41 |
DaemonFC | \:) | Jul 12 09:41 |
MinceR | but how would you foist it on users? | Jul 12 09:42 |
DaemonFC | it's Windows isn't it? | Jul 12 09:42 |
MinceR | also, my point is that mozilla would win the lawsuit but they wouldn't punish m$ significantly | Jul 12 09:42 |
DaemonFC | they could get an injunction | Jul 12 09:42 |
MinceR | sure it's winblows, but you don't control winblows update, m$ does | Jul 12 09:42 |
DaemonFC | and probably a pile of cash | Jul 12 09:42 |
DaemonFC | it's worth pursuing | Jul 12 09:42 |
MinceR | and you don't control the dependencies (.net and the like) m$ foists on users and developers | Jul 12 09:42 |
MinceR | plus even if you bundled it with something you released, you can be certain that the m$ fanboys would be the first ones to flame you about it | Jul 12 09:43 |
MinceR | m$ is a religion | Jul 12 09:43 |
MinceR | but at least the lawsuit could help advertise the fact that m$ compromises your system to the half-educated users | Jul 12 09:44 |
MinceR | who have a shot at understanding what the threat is | Jul 12 09:45 |
DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 12 09:45 |
DaemonFC | the effort to return on investment ratio in filing a lawsuit is favorable to Mozilla | Jul 12 09:45 |
DaemonFC | Opera on Linux has gotten a lot better | Jul 12 09:48 |
DaemonFC | it integrates well | Jul 12 09:48 |
DaemonFC | no more bad performance, random screwups, not wanting to open the right program to handle a download, etc. | Jul 12 09:49 |
MinceR | what about random crashes? | Jul 12 09:49 |
MinceR | on loading pages that opera doesn't happen to like, that is | Jul 12 09:49 |
DaemonFC | haven't had it happen yet | Jul 12 09:50 |
MinceR | whoa, winblows doesn't only fail at redrawing the contents of MSVCRT windows | Jul 12 10:00 |
MinceR | it also fails at redrawing title bars | Jul 12 10:00 |
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DaemonFC | I found a Sonar theme for Ubuntu :) | Jul 12 10:02 |
DaemonFC | hmmmm | Jul 12 10:09 |
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DaemonFC | I think I found my theme | Jul 12 10:14 |
DaemonFC | :D | Jul 12 10:14 |
DaemonFC | http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1286/screenshotle.png | Jul 12 10:16 |
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DaemonFC | OK, I'm happy with this system | Jul 12 10:19 |
DaemonFC | FGLRX was really the only spoiler that was keeping me on Windows | Jul 12 10:19 |
MinceR | openslowlaris? :> | Jul 12 10:21 |
DaemonFC | banshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstore | Jul 12 10:21 |
DaemonFC | This extension makes the Ubuntu One Music Store available in Banshee. | Jul 12 10:21 |
DaemonFC | Banshee is a media management and playback application for the GNOME desktop. | Jul 12 10:21 |
DaemonFC | joy | Jul 12 10:21 |
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MinceR | according to opensuse, banshee is proprietary :> | Jul 12 10:21 |
MinceR | http://sathyasays.com/2010/07/10/opensuses-software-manager-lists-mono-apps-under-proprietary-applications-pattern/ | Jul 12 10:22 |
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DaemonFC | MinceR: It's still under LGPL and MIT X11 licenses | Jul 12 10:22 |
DaemonFC | so I fail to see how | Jul 12 10:22 |
DaemonFC | it may infringe patents and rely on Mono, but it's not "proprietary" | Jul 12 10:23 |
DaemonFC | they could probably protect the Banshee copyright | Jul 12 10:23 |
DaemonFC | but you could just call yours something else | Jul 12 10:23 |
DaemonFC | like the ICeweasel deal | Jul 12 10:23 |
DaemonFC | *Iceweasel | Jul 12 10:23 |
DaemonFC | brb | Jul 12 10:25 |
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MinceR | DaemonFC: because of the software patent issue | Jul 12 10:25 |
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MinceR | they aren't adequately licensed to users | Jul 12 10:26 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 10:26 |
DaemonFC | yeah, it's not proprietary though | Jul 12 10:26 |
DaemonFC | if you live in a country that doesn't recognize software patents and change the name, I doubt they could do anything to you at all | Jul 12 10:26 |
MinceR | opensuse probably doesn't have a separate category for "non-free, patent-encumbered open source sw" | Jul 12 10:27 |
DaemonFC | whoa | Jul 12 10:27 |
DaemonFC | Compiz is being rewritten | Jul 12 10:27 |
DaemonFC | in C++? | Jul 12 10:27 |
MinceR | it could certainly use being rewritten | Jul 12 10:27 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: It's free software as far as the code goes | Jul 12 10:27 |
MinceR | iirc compiz++ will also work without compositing (like kwin) | Jul 12 10:27 |
DaemonFC | patents are another story | Jul 12 10:27 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: free software isn't about the code, it's about the freedoms its users have | Jul 12 10:28 |
MinceR | and those patents take that away, legally | Jul 12 10:28 |
DaemonFC | well, in countries withotu software patents, Banshee is FOSS | Jul 12 10:28 |
DaemonFC | by your definition | Jul 12 10:28 |
MinceR | btw, i'm not really sure if it's even open source | Jul 12 10:29 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: Free Software doesn't allow restrictions based on where the user happens to be | Jul 12 10:29 |
DaemonFC | why is that? | Jul 12 10:29 |
DaemonFC | you can build the same thing out of the code they provide | Jul 12 10:29 |
MinceR | because even the OSD might require the rights that are not provided | Jul 12 10:29 |
DaemonFC | the code they provide is MIT and LGPL license | Jul 12 10:29 |
DaemonFC | it qualifies as FOSS | Jul 12 10:29 |
DaemonFC | well, they can't give the code to you under the terms of MIT or FOSS and then claim that you can't use the rights they gave you when handing you the code | Jul 12 10:30 |
MinceR | the OSD says nothing about the copyright license itself qualifying as FOSS being sufficient, afaict | Jul 12 10:30 |
DaemonFC | *or LGPL FOSS | Jul 12 10:30 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: Then Firefox is not FOSS | Jul 12 10:30 |
DaemonFC | cause you have to change the name to avoid their copyrights | Jul 12 10:30 |
DaemonFC | or else their legal dept will go after you | Jul 12 10:31 |
MinceR | changing trademarks and deviating from the "standards" are two entirely different things | Jul 12 10:31 |
MinceR | though it might be that the Debian guys actually consider FF nonfree :> | Jul 12 10:32 |
MinceR | exactly because of what you mentioned | Jul 12 10:32 |
MinceR | but at least they could make a free version out of it | Jul 12 10:32 |
MinceR | you can't do that to banshee | Jul 12 10:32 |
MinceR | in fact, mozilla provides a free branding with the source code | Jul 12 10:33 |
MinceR | it's kind of painful to make it compile as "Firefox" | Jul 12 10:33 |
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DaemonFC | I don't really much care what it calls itself | Jul 12 10:33 |
DaemonFC | it's really the same program | Jul 12 10:33 |
DaemonFC | it provides you with the same features | Jul 12 10:33 |
MinceR | then why are arguing that it's non-free because you can't use the Firefox trademark on modified versions? | Jul 12 10:34 |
DaemonFC | cause if you rename Banshee it's the same program | Jul 12 10:34 |
DaemonFC | so it's as free as Firefox | Jul 12 10:34 |
MinceR | if you rename Banshee, you still don't have a patent license for it | Jul 12 10:35 |
MinceR | so it's not as free as Firefox | Jul 12 10:35 |
MinceR | not having a patent license makes you unable to legally use the software | Jul 12 10:35 |
MinceR | not having a trademark license does not | Jul 12 10:35 |
DaemonFC | you're still not listening | Jul 12 10:39 |
MinceR | i'm listening but you're not making sense | Jul 12 10:39 |
DaemonFC | the code is free | Jul 12 10:39 |
MinceR | the code is not free if you are not allowed to use it | Jul 12 10:40 |
MinceR | "shared source" is not "open source" or free software | Jul 12 10:40 |
DaemonFC | there's no proprietary code in Banshee though | Jul 12 10:40 |
DaemonFC | how does MIT license = shared source? | Jul 12 10:43 |
DaemonFC | I'm not following you | Jul 12 10:43 |
DaemonFC | is LGPL shared source? | Jul 12 10:43 |
DaemonFC | where is the code you're not allowed to use? | Jul 12 10:43 |
MinceR | the mono runtime and whatever depends on it? | Jul 12 10:43 |
DaemonFC | there's a difference in giving you a license to use the code and a patent license | Jul 12 10:43 |
DaemonFC | the MIT license makes it FOSS | Jul 12 10:44 |
DaemonFC | patent license says they can still sue you | Jul 12 10:44 |
MinceR | also, it can't be LGPLv3 and the only reason it can be LGPLv2 is that they circumvented the language about patent licenses with a trick | Jul 12 10:44 |
DaemonFC | of course someone else can argue they have a patent on any program | Jul 12 10:44 |
DaemonFC | and sue anyone | Jul 12 10:44 |
DaemonFC | at any moment | Jul 12 10:44 |
DaemonFC | so you're not making a hell of a lot of sense | Jul 12 10:44 |
MinceR | oh, then stealing the source code of winblows makes it FLOSS | Jul 12 10:44 |
MinceR | copyright license says they can still sue you | Jul 12 10:44 |
DaemonFC | no, there's a difference | Jul 12 10:45 |
DaemonFC | you don't want to acknowledge that Banshee and Mono are indeed FOSS | Jul 12 10:45 |
DaemonFC | but probably infringe patents | Jul 12 10:45 |
DaemonFC | they are patent infringing FOSS | Jul 12 10:45 |
MinceR | i don't want to acknowledge something that isn't true | Jul 12 10:45 |
MinceR | oh wow | Jul 12 10:45 |
DaemonFC | if you compile Gstreamer MP3 support you have patent infringing FOSS | Jul 12 10:45 |
DaemonFC | no different | Jul 12 10:45 |
DaemonFC | no different at all | Jul 12 10:45 |
MinceR | notice that the FSD says nothing about patent issues being exempt | Jul 12 10:46 |
MinceR | software patents infringe on your freedom just as much as non-FLOSS copyright licenses | Jul 12 10:46 |
DaemonFC | so Gstreamer plugins are not FOSS? | Jul 12 10:46 |
MinceR | and just as much as not having access to the code at all | Jul 12 10:46 |
DaemonFC | Gstreamer plug-ins aren't FOSS | Jul 12 10:46 |
DaemonFC | neither is Firefox | Jul 12 10:46 |
MinceR | the only thing that plugin lets you do is use MP3 | Jul 12 10:47 |
DaemonFC | if you're going to bring in patent and copyright laws into this to win your argument, you've lost | Jul 12 10:47 |
MinceR | in the case of Banshee, the entire app depends on patents you might be unable to use | Jul 12 10:47 |
DaemonFC | you're trying to confuse the terms the same as the Intellectual Property people | Jul 12 10:47 |
MinceR | you're trying to ignore software patent issues to misrepresent the status of mono | Jul 12 10:47 |
MinceR | just like the mono apologist people | Jul 12 10:48 |
DaemonFC | if I use the code in Europe, where the patent laws don't apply, what is it there? | Jul 12 10:48 |
DaemonFC | is it FOSS in Europe? | Jul 12 10:48 |
MinceR | afaik the EPO actually did let some sw patents to be registered | Jul 12 10:48 |
DaemonFC | just because FOSS runs afoul of patents does not make it proprietary | Jul 12 10:48 |
MinceR | because they're corrupt and/or incompetent | Jul 12 10:48 |
MinceR | just because proprietary software runs afoul of copyright does not make it proprietary? | Jul 12 10:49 |
DaemonFC | you're the one confusing US law with the entire world | Jul 12 10:49 |
DaemonFC | in this case | Jul 12 10:49 |
DaemonFC | the software license makes the software FOSS | Jul 12 10:49 |
MinceR | the USA is not the only place where software patents apply and/or exist | Jul 12 10:49 |
DaemonFC | not whether it violates patents somewhere | Jul 12 10:49 |
DaemonFC | which it might or might not | Jul 12 10:49 |
MinceR | and by the way, MP3 codecs do tend to be in separate repos because of sw patent issues | Jul 12 10:50 |
MinceR | just like mono | Jul 12 10:50 |
DaemonFC | the Gstreamer plug-ins I use to play MP3 files with are not proprietary | Jul 12 10:50 |
DaemonFC | they're patent infringing FOSS | Jul 12 10:50 |
DaemonFC | yeah, LAME is not proprietary software | Jul 12 10:50 |
DaemonFC | it's patent-infringing FOSS | Jul 12 10:50 |
MinceR | it's more likely to be nonfree patent-infringing open source software | Jul 12 10:51 |
DaemonFC | distributing Mono and LAME has you in the same boat | Jul 12 10:51 |
DaemonFC | they're both FOSS< but someone has patents on them and may sue you for it | Jul 12 10:51 |
MinceR | except of course that a dependency on mono is a lot more severe | Jul 12 10:51 |
DaemonFC | the fact that they can still sue you over patent infringement after licensing their code under a permissive license is what gets me | Jul 12 10:52 |
DaemonFC | a judge should see right through that | Jul 12 10:52 |
DaemonFC | "Why did you give it to them and tell them to use it if they aren't supposed to use it?" | Jul 12 10:52 |
DaemonFC | in this case, Mono is written by the people who have the patents and want to sue | Jul 12 10:53 |
MinceR | judges are rarely smart/just enough for that | Jul 12 10:53 |
MinceR | almost never | Jul 12 10:53 |
DaemonFC | I could see a lawsuit involving LAME | Jul 12 10:53 |
DaemonFC | but Mono should get laughed out of the court system | Jul 12 10:53 |
MinceR | but so far it hasn't | Jul 12 10:53 |
MinceR | and you're forgetting that the court system is corrupt and incompetent | Jul 12 10:53 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: IF I own the patents on the software I give you and tell you to use, I shouldn't be able to sue you | Jul 12 10:53 |
MinceR | yes, but that's apparently not what laws in the USA say | Jul 12 10:54 |
DaemonFC | suing someone over implementing something based on your patents that you never encouraged them to build is something else | Jul 12 10:54 |
MinceR | unsure about it in the EU due to the aforementioned EPO issue | Jul 12 10:54 |
DaemonFC | LAME doesn't hold the patents on MP3 | Jul 12 10:54 |
DaemonFC | that's why I said I could take a lawsuit over LAME more seriously | Jul 12 10:55 |
MinceR | if you lose a lawsuit over LAME, you only lose the ability to encode MP3 | Jul 12 10:55 |
MinceR | if you lose a lawsuit over Mono and your desktop depends heavily on it then you lose the ability to use your desktop apps | Jul 12 10:55 |
MinceR | LAME has no functionality other than letting you encode MP3, but Mono-dependent apps do offer functionality that's independent of Mono -- yet you can't use them without infringing on those patents | Jul 12 10:56 |
DaemonFC | I just don't get how a judge would get past YOU giving THEM the CODE that you are SUING them over | Jul 12 10:56 |
DaemonFC | it makes no sense | Jul 12 10:56 |
DaemonFC | it's like giving someone a TV set in front of thousands of witnesses | Jul 12 10:57 |
DaemonFC | then saying they stole your TV | Jul 12 10:57 |
DaemonFC | and you didn't encourage them to take it | Jul 12 10:57 |
MinceR | they might still get you on technicalities | Jul 12 10:58 |
DaemonFC | the fact that Microsoft and Novell encouraged you to take Mono and use it should invalidate their patent infringement claims | Jul 12 10:58 |
DaemonFC | right there | Jul 12 10:58 |
MinceR | like that you were supposed to use/modify it within the specs they've paid Ecma to publish, but not to eviate from them | Jul 12 10:58 |
MinceR | s/evi/devi/ | Jul 12 10:59 |
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DaemonFC | the fact that Microsoft is now building Mono add-ons, licensing them under a free/permissive license WITH a patent grant | Jul 12 10:59 |
DaemonFC | shows that they want people to take that code | Jul 12 10:59 |
MinceR | should, but we don't know if it does until such a suit happens and is resolved | Jul 12 10:59 |
DaemonFC | they can't take the code and use it without Mono | Jul 12 10:59 |
DaemonFC | if I was the judge, I would find in favor of the defendants because Microsoft and Novell encouraged them to take it | Jul 12 10:59 |
DaemonFC | but I'm not a judge | Jul 12 10:59 |
DaemonFC | :( | Jul 12 10:59 |
MinceR | and m$ is actively FUDding about their mono patents, are they not? | Jul 12 11:00 |
DaemonFC | now, if Microsoft and Novell didn't distribute Mono and someone made a .NET clone | Jul 12 11:00 |
DaemonFC | I would let the lawsuit proceed | Jul 12 11:00 |
DaemonFC | you can't just encourage someone to take your stuff then claim that they're entirely at fault for stealing it | Jul 12 11:01 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 11:01 |
MinceR | actually iirc m$ only FUDded about moonlight patents yet | Jul 12 11:02 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: The holder of the patent licenses the code representing their patent under a free/permissive license, they have given you a patent license in doing that | Jul 12 11:07 |
DaemonFC | would be my interpretation of the law | Jul 12 11:07 |
MinceR | sadly, you're not in charge | Jul 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | yep | Jul 12 11:08 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: The world would be a better place if I was | Jul 12 11:10 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 11:10 |
schestowitz | tessier: you have full control of the site's wordpress install/panel (I will be on and off in the coming days, so in case some abuser floods the site with spam comments we need a second admin) | Jul 12 11:10 |
schestowitz | tessier: When Wordpress 3.0.1 is out I'll upgrade your site. Don't click on "WordPress 3.0 is available! Please update now." Basically, neither 2.x (current) nor 3.0 is vulnerable yet, so there is no incentive to move under 3.0.1 gets released. | Jul 12 11:11 |
schestowitz | /under/until/ | Jul 12 11:11 |
DaemonFC | schestowitz: The new ATI 2D architecture is at least as good as Nvidia's | Jul 12 11:11 |
MinceR | DaemonFC: i'm not so sure about that, considering some of your earlier output | Jul 12 11:11 |
DaemonFC | I'm still nto quite over how it went from total garbage to this | Jul 12 11:11 |
DaemonFC | MinceR: What's wrong with shooting child molesters and giving patent licenses to people who were encouraged to take the code from the patent holders? | Jul 12 11:12 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 11:12 |
MinceR | there was a lot more than that | Jul 12 11:12 |
MinceR | bbl | Jul 12 11:12 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Chinese People Then And Now, Same Poses, Same Positions - http://bit.ly/bE50MO rather strikind #china | Jul 12 11:31 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/compiz-09-available-gains-aero-snap.html | Jul 12 11:32 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Killing the Founder - http://bit.ly/bZPWWA "I had the capability to hold it in a grip of charisma, had I so chosen", saith Eric | Jul 12 11:38 | |
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DaemonFC | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/350426/City_Aims_for_Easy_ERP_Plan | Jul 12 11:41 |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz: Indianapolis/Marion County switch from Windows to RHEL | Jul 12 11:41 |
DaemonFC | and from Access to "Peoplesoft"? | Jul 12 11:42 |
DaemonFC | wtf is that? | Jul 12 11:42 |
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cubezzz | Xerox had some pretty amazing stuff back in 1981 | Jul 12 11:55 |
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cubezzz | 1024x809 17" display .... | Jul 12 11:57 |
cubezzz | "Xerox 6085 PCS , was released in 1985. The new hardware provided 1MB to 4MB of memory, a 10MB to 80MB hard disk, a 15" or 19" display, a 5.25" floppy drive, a mouse, Ethernet connector and a price of a little over $6,000." | Jul 12 11:58 |
cubezzz | of course compare that to an Amiga 1000 | Jul 12 11:58 |
cubezzz | not so great price-wise | Jul 12 11:58 |
cubezzz | A Rolls-Royce in an era of $2000 computers | Jul 12 11:59 |
cubezzz | definitely a company worthy of study | Jul 12 12:00 |
cubezzz | "Many patent disclosures were in fact submitted for the innovations in the Star; however, at the time the 1975 Xerox Consent Decree, an FTC antitrust action, placed restrictions on what the company was able to patent" | Jul 12 12:00 |
DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cnlk48OYUI8 | Jul 12 12:08 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at Hendon Central Underground Station (Queens Road, London). http://4sq.com/9iuGY3 | Jul 12 12:24 | |
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cubezzz | "A few UNIVAC I systems stayed in service long after they were obsoleted by advancing technology. The Census Bureau used its two systems until 1963, amounting to twelve and nine years of service, respectively." | Jul 12 12:32 |
cubezzz | oldest still working computer: | Jul 12 12:37 |
cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferranti_Pegasus | Jul 12 12:37 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Back on track. Congrats to ESP for the cup. Still sad that NED seems to be 2nd 4ever. | Jul 12 12:38 | |
cubezzz | "The cabinet was built by Rolls Royce hence the car door handles." | Jul 12 12:38 |
MinceR | and it comes with a free clock applet | Jul 12 12:40 |
cubezzz | yes | Jul 12 12:42 |
DaemonFC | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=43304 | Jul 12 12:45 |
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DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1837756183.html | Jul 12 12:59 |
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DaemonFC | That one has cubezzz written all over it | Jul 12 12:59 |
DaemonFC | a little new for him though | Jul 12 12:59 |
MinceR | actually "cubezzz" doesn't appear on that page even once :> | Jul 12 13:00 |
DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1837714169.html | Jul 12 13:00 |
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DaemonFC | and one for MinceR | Jul 12 13:00 |
DaemonFC | with a 500 MB hard drive no less | Jul 12 13:00 |
DaemonFC | (Didn't know they still made those) | Jul 12 13:00 |
MinceR | yes, i'm totally in Southwest Yankeestan | Jul 12 13:01 |
DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1837933109.html | Jul 12 13:01 |
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DaemonFC | $55? Has it been slightly crashed? :P | Jul 12 13:02 |
MinceR | it's only a seagate | Jul 12 13:02 |
DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/sys/1836589897.html | Jul 12 13:03 |
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DaemonFC | ahem, activation anyone? | Jul 12 13:03 |
DaemonFC | people embarrass themselves on Craigslist | Jul 12 13:05 |
MinceR | the word you're looking for is "crack" | Jul 12 13:05 |
DaemonFC | it's awesome | Jul 12 13:05 |
DaemonFC | Buy my hard drive with Windows 7 and I'll throw in the SLP bootloader at no additional charge | Jul 12 13:06 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 12 13:06 |
DaemonFC | the worst part about a CRT monitor/TV is when they fail and you have to dispose of them | Jul 12 13:10 |
DaemonFC | that's when you find a dumpster to throw it in when nobody is looking :) | Jul 12 13:11 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] The coat and the pants do all the work, but the vest gets all the gravy | Jul 12 13:16 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] File-sharing, copyright and the digital consumer: http://bit.ly/bXFHYD typical: not a single voice representing the public #deact #copyright | Jul 12 13:19 | |
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DaemonFC | http://people.freebsd.org/~adamw/gnome_kde_deps/ | Jul 12 13:25 |
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DaemonFC | old, but still, lol | Jul 12 13:26 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Penguins Rejoice, Spotify Lands On Linux - http://tcrn.ch/9GovpG closed source, but it's a start #spotify #linux | Jul 12 13:31 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] pic of the week: London Borough market - http://bit.ly/9XEfdv "Gromit, that's it! Cheese! We'll go somewhere where there's cheese!" #london | Jul 12 13:56 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Internet Kill Switch - http://bit.ly/cNeQVy bad idea, says Uncle Brucie: "would have all sorts of unforeseen ancillary effects" #net | Jul 12 14:00 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Why doesn't GamePark just run Android on their GP2X? It already runs !Linux http://u.nu/7qb6d | Jul 12 14:09 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Darl McBride's brother, Kevin, whos a lawyer, makes a fool of himself saying !Linux copied generic lines from UNIX http://u.nu/8rb6d | Jul 12 14:09 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] I am officially utterly addicted to the black little nuggets of licorice deliciousness http://twitpic.com/24nw4c | Jul 12 14:24 | |
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Diablo-D3 | hey schestowitz | Jul 12 14:29 |
Diablo-D3 | identica apparently keeps statistics on your daily posting average | Jul 12 14:29 |
Diablo-D3 | whats yours? :D | Jul 12 14:29 |
MinceR | finally i've found out why SWT has that non-native tab widget | Jul 12 14:31 |
MinceR | and that it's optional :) | Jul 12 14:32 |
schestowitz | [11:15] <cube486> a 10 sec delay between bot posts might be an idea | Jul 12 14:37 |
schestowitz | The issue there was Twitter API lag | Jul 12 14:37 |
schestowitz | [11:32] <TechrightsBot> Title: Compiz 0.9 Available; gains aero-snap like plug-in & total rewrite | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 65.27 KB | Jul 12 14:43 |
schestowitz | kwin has had this since 4.4 | Jul 12 14:43 |
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schestowitz | [11:41] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Indianapolis/Marion County switch from Windows to RHEL | Jul 12 14:46 |
schestowitz | oracle | Jul 12 14:46 |
schestowitz | Proprietary, like a lot of IBM's | Jul 12 14:46 |
Aondo | what's the difference between old compiz snap and aero-snap? :P | Jul 12 14:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Placed under surveillance by order of Brussels - http://bit.ly/cdnBm2 & if corrupt foreign police threaten to finger you? (via @jmcesteves) | Jul 12 14:50 | |
Diablo-D3 | [09:26:32] <MinceR> finally i've found out why SWT has that non-native tab widget | Jul 12 14:50 |
Diablo-D3 | [09:27:23] <MinceR> and that it's optional :) | Jul 12 14:50 |
DaemonFC | Aondo, I've never seen a snap plugin for Compiz | Jul 12 14:50 |
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Diablo-D3 | MinceR: yeah, they have a sane tab widget that only kicks in when the native toolkit cant handle that | Jul 12 14:51 |
Aondo | DaemonFC there are a couple | Jul 12 14:51 |
Aondo | included with ubuntu :) | Jul 12 14:51 |
DaemonFC | I'm still running into a couple problems with Ubuntu Lucid | Jul 12 14:51 |
DaemonFC | I'm pretty sure they are kernel issues | Jul 12 14:51 |
MinceR | actually apparently the native tab widget is for the cases which all toolkits can handle and for anything extra (like buttons on a tab) the custom one is needed | Jul 12 14:52 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: thats what I just said. | Jul 12 14:52 |
DaemonFC | hard system lockups when running some things that shouldn't be able to lock up the system (but manage to anyway) | Jul 12 14:52 |
MinceR | it doesn't just "kick in", it's a different class | Jul 12 14:52 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you sure? I swear it takes over when the native cant handle it | Jul 12 14:52 |
MinceR | well, i see CTabFolder and TabFolder on the web | Jul 12 14:53 |
schestowitz | [13:10] <DaemonFC> the worst part about a CRT monitor/TV is when they fail and you have to dispose of them | Jul 12 14:53 |
schestowitz | [13:11] <DaemonFC> that's when you find a dumpster to throw it in when nobody is looking :) | Jul 12 14:53 |
schestowitz | I did that yesterday :-) | Jul 12 14:53 |
MinceR | and i've seen Eclipse use the custom tab widget on GTK+, which can certainly handle buttons on it | Jul 12 14:53 |
MinceR | (and even tab under the container, but Eclipse wasn't using that) | Jul 12 14:53 |
DaemonFC | I'm considering loading Maverick alpha 2 | Jul 12 14:54 |
MinceR | i'm considering loading Lenny | Jul 12 14:54 |
DaemonFC | just because I'm getting lock-ups on the "Stable" version anyway | Jul 12 14:54 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Spotify P2P Music Program Released For Linux http://cli.gs/jQAeu !fs !linux !floss !techrights | Jul 12 14:54 | |
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DaemonFC | so what the hell? | Jul 12 14:54 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: the gtk code isnt the best it can be, but I really dont mind the custom tab widget | Jul 12 14:54 |
*Diablo-D3 uses eclipse daily, btw | Jul 12 14:54 | |
Aondo | i find that any instability issues is either with hardware, or graphic drivers ati/nvidia, anything else is just very unlikely :P | Jul 12 14:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Ian McDonald's amazing novel THE DERVISH HOUSE: Turkey's mystical nanotech future http://tinyurl.com/3y84ejh | Jul 12 14:55 | |
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DaemonFC | schestowitz, Well, moving from a hodgepodge of Microsoft software to RHEL with Oracle database is still better | Jul 12 14:55 |
DaemonFC | right? | Jul 12 14:55 |
MinceR | Diablo-D3: well, now that i know why it's there, i don't mind it either | Jul 12 14:55 |
MinceR | up until now i was like "why didn't they like the native tab widget?" | Jul 12 14:55 |
DaemonFC | I doubt Microsoft is happy over losing a customer that bought licenses by the hundreds | Jul 12 14:55 |
DaemonFC | :P | Jul 12 14:55 |
DaemonFC | lots of politicians have the attitude of "waste all the money you want, we can always make more taxes" | Jul 12 14:57 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 14:57 |
DaemonFC | Updike was caught jerking off to porn on a city computer at one point | Jul 12 14:58 |
DaemonFC | as I understand it | Jul 12 14:58 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] The ISO has modified its procedures after the controversial adoption of Microsoft's OOXML http://cli.gs/jHY35 !fs !linux !floss !techrights | Jul 12 14:59 | |
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DaemonFC | SGI is now just rubbernecking XFS completely | Jul 12 15:00 |
DaemonFC | pulling source code and making their own broken "releases" that they had nothing to do with | Jul 12 15:01 |
DaemonFC | :/ | Jul 12 15:01 |
*DaemonFC wonders why they do this | Jul 12 15:01 | |
DaemonFC | IRIX is dead | Jul 12 15:01 |
DaemonFC | XFS's real work goes straight into the Linux kernel itself | Jul 12 15:01 |
DaemonFC | why make their own "releases"? | Jul 12 15:02 |
DaemonFC | WHY!?!? :P | Jul 12 15:02 |
MinceR | time for SGI to switch to GNU/Linux already | Jul 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | Diablo-D3: " | Jul 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | Daily average | Jul 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | 37 | Jul 12 15:02 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 12 15:02 |
Diablo-D3 | holy crap dude | Jul 12 15:02 |
Diablo-D3 | I have a daily average of 3 | Jul 12 15:02 |
Diablo-D3 | MinceR: they only use their own OS on their superclusters | Jul 12 15:03 |
Diablo-D3 | they ship linux workstations | Jul 12 15:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RIAA boss Bainwol paid $2 million in 2008 - http://bit.ly/aM3qbu defending those poor, starving artists #riaa | Jul 12 15:03 | |
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DaemonFC | IRIX is dead | Jul 12 15:04 |
DaemonFC | why use an OS that they don't even sell anymore? | Jul 12 15:04 |
DaemonFC | I think the only IRIX work still being done is to satisfy outstanding support contracts from the point they decided to kill it | Jul 12 15:05 |
DaemonFC | nobody should be trying to migrate TO IRIX | Jul 12 15:05 |
DaemonFC | :) | Jul 12 15:05 |
DaemonFC | the whole point of the extended support for existing customers is to help them migrate to Linux | Jul 12 15:06 |
schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes | Jul 12 15:06 |
DaemonFC | which was also probably their thinking behind porting XFS | Jul 12 15:06 |
DaemonFC | shows you they had misgivings about the future of IRIX at least 5 years before they decided to kill it | Jul 12 15:07 |
DaemonFC | According to Eric Sandeen, XFS has a good long life ahead of it in Linux | Jul 12 15:08 |
DaemonFC | no matter what happens to SGI | Jul 12 15:08 |
DaemonFC | I tend to believe him | Jul 12 15:08 |
DaemonFC | XFS has had some major performance work done on it lately | Jul 12 15:10 |
DaemonFC | I may have to try it out again in Linux 2.6.35 | Jul 12 15:10 |
DaemonFC | it looks like it should be at least some gains across the board | Jul 12 15:10 |
DaemonFC | http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_35#head-a5e07af03c0c63e6ab06e6d7eb388dc3e888b91a | Jul 12 15:12 |
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DaemonFC | that's the biggest win I see | Jul 12 15:12 |
DaemonFC | delayed logging | Jul 12 15:12 |
DaemonFC | http://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2010-05/msg00329.html | Jul 12 15:14 |
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DaemonFC | check that out when you get to 4-8 threads | Jul 12 15:15 |
DaemonFC | jesus christ | Jul 12 15:15 |
DaemonFC | lol | Jul 12 15:15 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Government 'lied over Iraq's WMD' - http://bit.ly/dmqWJs I'm shocked, shocked to find that lying is going on in here #iraq #lies | Jul 12 15:17 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Does this mean google prefers quantity over quality for !android? | Jul 12 15:19 | |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Does this mean Google prefers quantity over quality? http://bit.ly/djKotk | Jul 12 15:19 | |
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DaemonFC | from all the benchmarks I've looked at, Delayed Logging makes only a small difference on single and dual core processors | Jul 12 15:26 |
DaemonFC | but if you have a quad core or better, it makes a massive difference | Jul 12 15:26 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft UK: Don't Cave to UK Survey's Linux "Suggestions" - http://bit.ly/d4xBIb nicely done #uk #microsoft #linux | Jul 12 15:27 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Sending an actual hardcopy letter of complaint to #CoOpBank over stupidass policy requiring a fax for overseas transfers | Jul 12 15:30 | |
schestowitz | " | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | Despite these Dilbertesque failings, Ballmer may have been just | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | the guy to champion this project. Like every great salesman, Ballmer | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | could charge into meetings and immediately raise the crowd's | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | temperature with his booming voice. He'd become animated, waving | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | his hands in the air and telling everyone how important their work | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | was to the world. He infused a contagious energy, and many | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | developers thrived on this "mission from God" intensity. They truly | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | believed they were doing something that would revolutionize the | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | world. | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | "mission from God"? | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | Microsoft? | Jul 12 15:36 |
schestowitz | God sure it evil | Jul 12 15:37 |
MinceR | well, there are evil gods too | Jul 12 15:38 |
MinceR | at least to the same extent as good ones exist :> | Jul 12 15:38 |
schestowitz | "Good" by whose standards? | Jul 12 15:40 |
schestowitz | The bible? And if so, which one and who wrote it? | Jul 12 15:40 |
MinceR | well, i thought it was a moral category | Jul 12 15:41 |
MinceR | and morals have little to do with religion | Jul 12 15:42 |
MinceR | so it would be something like the standards of relatively sane humans | Jul 12 15:42 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | Myhrvold had gotten the RISC religion when he read a book on | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | computer designs called Computer Architecture, A Quantitative | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | Approach, by John Hennessy and Dave Patterson. Myhrvold was | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | concerned that all of Microsoft's products ran only on Intel silicon, | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | and thus Microsoft's future was directly tied to Intel's, and to Intel's | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | continuing ability to dominate the PC industry with its X86, or | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | CISC-based, architecture. He said as much in a confidential | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | Microsoft report he wrote in the early 1990s called "Technology | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | Shifts in the Operating Systems of the 1990s." | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | Myhrvold convinced Gates that Microsoft needed to be doing a | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | portable operating system—one that would run on a broad spectrum | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | of processors. So with Ballmerian intensity, Myhrvold was | Jul 12 16:03 |
schestowitz | hammering on Gates, touting, "RISC, RISC, RISC." | Jul 12 16:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all! How are we all doing today? | Jul 12 16:03 | |
schestowitz | " | Jul 12 16:03 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @bbctech: Google has released a suite of tools that let non-programmers create apps 4 Android smartphones. http://bit.ly/b99sLr | Jul 12 16:04 | |
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MinceR | so what came of that? | Jul 12 16:06 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Time for Free Software to Square up to Foursquare - http://bit.ly/dC78Zn as #Foursquare finally becomes useful, #freesw needs to match it | Jul 12 16:28 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Funny pic, good article RT @sjvn: Apple and AT&T: Time to Wake Up and Smell the Class Action http://is.gd/dp63N | Jul 12 16:33 | |
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cubezzz | well | Jul 12 16:34 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] PC-BSD 8.1 RC1 is pretty cool, and fast | Jul 12 16:34 | |
cubezzz | it is significant that we have an almost homogenous cpu market | Jul 12 16:34 |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, everybody uses ARM | Jul 12 16:35 |
cubezzz | intel and microsoft must have some nefarious deal hidden in a vault somewhere | Jul 12 16:39 |
Diablo-D3 | hidden? | Jul 12 16:39 |
Diablo-D3 | thats pretty well known dude | Jul 12 16:39 |
cubezzz | have you seen it? | Jul 12 16:39 |
Diablo-D3 | intel and microsoft are in bed with each other, legally, above board, and publically notified. | Jul 12 16:39 |
cubezzz | I actually have a few Cyrix 486SLC's | Jul 12 16:40 |
MinceR | i used to have an AMD K5 | Jul 12 16:40 |
MinceR | it was crap | Jul 12 16:40 |
cubezzz | I can't complain, the cpu still works 17 years later | Jul 12 16:41 |
MinceR | Quake 1.08 didn't even run on it, had to downgrade to 1.06 | Jul 12 16:41 |
cubezzz | sometimes I'm not sure who made the cpu | Jul 12 16:41 |
cubezzz | there's cpu's branded IBM | Jul 12 16:41 |
cubezzz | but I don't think IBM actually made them | Jul 12 16:41 |
schestowitz | [16:06] <MinceR> so what came of that? | Jul 12 16:42 |
schestowitz | Watch what arm does to Atom/x86 at, | Jul 12 16:42 |
MinceR | i mean, afaik m$ didn't really shine on the "portable OS" thing | Jul 12 16:43 |
cubezzz | no, that's a major shift | Jul 12 16:43 |
cubezzz | right, I keep forgetting Cyrix is defunct now | Jul 12 16:44 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Yet More Lawyers Jump on Turn Piracy Into Profit Bandwagon - http://bit.ly/9T0ZIb and become much slicker #piracy #lawsuits | Jul 12 16:44 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at River Lee. http://4sq.com/bKEAT6 | Jul 12 16:45 | |
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cubezzz | no wait, IBM did make cpus | Jul 12 16:47 |
cubezzz | but see here: | Jul 12 16:48 |
cubezzz | "IBM was not allowed to sell their CPUs if they were not part of a system or upgrade board." | Jul 12 16:48 |
MinceR | they make Power CPUs now, afaik | Jul 12 16:48 |
cubezzz | the AIM alliance -> Apple–IBM–Motorola | Jul 12 16:49 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux http://cli.gs/Pu4Aj !fs !linuc !techrights | Jul 12 16:49 | |
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cubezzz | was there any windows on PowerPC? | Jul 12 16:50 |
cubezzz | I guess not | Jul 12 16:51 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | In preparation for her interview, Chung had talked to the CEO of | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | STAC, Gary Clow, as well as other Gates rivals. She quoted a Clow | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | comment to Gates on the air. | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | "A lot of people make that analogy that competing with Bill Gates | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | is like playing hardball," she had Clow saying. "I'd say it's more like | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | a knife fight." | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | "I've never heard any of these things," Gates said. "You know, | Jul 12 16:52 |
cubezzz | looking at the history of the PC is almost all lock-in to intel and microsoft | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | you're saying like a knife fight. That's silliness. It's—childish. I mean, why | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | be a mouthpiece for that kind of—of silliness? Why doesn't he just—just | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | say them—anyway, it—because it has nothing to do with the patent | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | lawsuit. It has to do with just, you know, creating a—you know, sort of a | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | David versus Goliath thing out of it. Well, I'm done." | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | And with that, Gates walked off the set. | Jul 12 16:52 |
schestowitz | "Can I just ask you one more question, Bill?" Chung said. | Jul 12 16:53 |
schestowitz | His voice trailed off into the distance, "No, I don't think so." | Jul 12 16:53 |
schestowitz | It wasn't much later that Chung left CBS, and many people wondered if | Jul 12 16:53 |
schestowitz | Gates had had something to do with it. | Jul 12 16:53 |
schestowitz | " | Jul 12 16:53 |
schestowitz | What a sissy | Jul 12 16:53 |
cubezzz | Gates is a real nasty piece of work | Jul 12 16:54 |
cubezzz | I bet we know about 10% of it | Jul 12 16:54 |
cubezzz | but we have IBM and MIcrosoft on different sides of the fence so to speak | Jul 12 16:55 |
cubezzz | of course people from former Lotus and former DRI are going to say things like that | Jul 12 17:01 |
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] satipera Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux http://cli.gs/Pu4Aj !fs !linux !techrights | Jul 12 17:04 | |
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MinceR | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/07/20000000_for_what.php | Jul 12 17:14 |
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squarepeg | what's new guys? | Jul 12 17:39 |
schestowitz | that foursquare is annoying. Why are people just broadcasting their location to twitter? Will there be loosquare next? | Jul 12 17:53 |
schestowitz | hey, paul | Jul 12 17:54 |
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sebsebseb | HI | Jul 12 17:58 |
schestowitz | Hi | Jul 12 17:59 |
sebsebseb | schestowitz: Hi | Jul 12 17:59 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Welcome to Genomes Unzipped - http://bit.ly/a3lFPY "experts in scientific, legal, ethical & commercial aspects of genomics" #blog #genomics | Jul 12 18:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Panel: Copyright Needed In Music, But Should Benefit Musicians - http://bit.ly/cyDGvW "more than half of Beyoncé's income from branding" | Jul 12 18:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] 'A real free press for the first time in history' http://bit.ly/bkG6H1 | Jul 12 18:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ‘A real free press for the first time in history’: Wikileaks editor speaks out in London - http://bit.ly/dq8YeV let's hope it continues | Jul 12 18:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] It's Your Right to Know: the song - http://bit.ly/bZnRfE everyone join in, now (via @deburca @WhatDoTheyKnow) #ogov #transparency | Jul 12 18:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ACTA negotiators inform the EU Parliament in secret - http://bit.ly/ajHwER shame on the EU (via @technollama) #acta #eu | Jul 12 18:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: ACTA negotiators inform the EU Parliament in secret - http://bit.ly/ajHwER shame on the EU (via @technollama) #acta #eu | Jul 12 18:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks founder reflects on media failures http://bit.ly/ddy2h0 http://colleteralmurder.com/ | Jul 12 18:02 | |
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DaemonFC | speak softly and carry a big stick | Jul 12 18:41 |
DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 12 18:41 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Noooooooooo! ♺ @BreakingNews: Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says he's weighing run for president in 2012 AP http://bit.ly/d9BvsN | Jul 12 18:43 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I just unlocked the "Local" badge on @foursquare! http://4sq.com/d7EgrC | Jul 12 18:55 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at My Home (Front Street, Slip End, Luton). http://4sq.com/c7RyEu | Jul 12 18:55 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @ansol: New blog post: Brasil traz alguma justiça às leis de direitos de autor e sistemas de restrições http://ur1.ca/0nx05 | Jul 12 19:03 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] The government might put me through school (loan-free) to get some credentials so I can find work easier. I'll know in one more day. | Jul 12 19:04 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] SuperMe: my kick-ass wife's new game is all about mental health http://tinyurl.com/2clgv79 | Jul 12 19:17 | |
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pipe bomb got wife of CEO of Adams Resources Exploration, which just got a contract from BP to explore the Gulf further http://u.nu/8bu6d | Jul 12 19:24 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Linux Outlaws - Live now! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linuxoutlaws #linux #linux #microsoft #microsoft #mvp | Jul 12 19:24 | |
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MinceR | speak softly and carry a big fucking sword | Jul 12 19:30 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] It appears the "Phone your blog" feature of Wordpress is a US only number....shame...here's hoping for a UK one soon! #wordpress | Jul 12 19:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2,750 (or 3,650) Schools Are Dumping Windows and Moving to GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/0mic6 Russia too, hopefully http://ur1.ca/0nxbc | Jul 12 19:43 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux in the news: http://ur1.ca/0nxbo http://ur1.ca/0nxbp http://ur1.ca/0nxbq | Jul 12 19:45 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Farewell to Windows: The #Ubuntu Option http://10magazine.asia/5618/the-ubuntu-option/ | Jul 12 19:45 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop Linux advocacy news sample http://ur1.ca/0nxc7 http://ur1.ca/0nxc8 | Jul 12 19:45 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A New Era of #Compiz http://ur1.ca/0nxcc also see http://ur1.ca/0nxcd | Jul 12 19:46 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Five and a Half Reasons I Prefer #Linux (as a power user) http://ur1.ca/0nxcl also see http://ur1.ca/0nxcm | Jul 12 19:48 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Servers: A Real Data Center Choice http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3892081/Linux-Servers-A-Real-Data-Center-Choice.htm | Jul 12 19:48 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google debuts DIY code tools for Android phones http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10597430.stm #android #android | Jul 12 19:48 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest on Google's GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxd9 http://ur1.ca/0nxda | Jul 12 19:48 | |
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ender2070 | Chrome OS will be uber | Jul 12 19:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FS / #Linux Audiocasts: http://ur1.ca/0nxcv http://ur1.ca/0nxcw http://twit.tv/floss126 http://ur1.ca/0nxcx | Jul 12 19:49 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Ballnux phones (Linux with Microsoft tax): http://ur1.ca/0nxdi http://ur1.ca/0nxdj | Jul 12 19:49 | |
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ender2070 | I was testing out PC-BSD | Jul 12 19:50 |
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ender2070 | 8.1 RC1 | Jul 12 19:50 |
ender2070 | it comes with everything and nothing | Jul 12 19:51 |
ender2070 | proprietary nvidia drivers, adobe flash, mp3 codecs | Jul 12 19:51 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good AMD contributions to #Linux #Graphics Stack http://ur1.ca/0nxdo http://ur1.ca/0nxdp | Jul 12 19:51 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'One of the common misconceptions about GNU/Linux is that it "doesn't have any applications"' http://ur1.ca/0nxe5 | Jul 12 19:51 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Three video transcoding applications for Linux worth knowing http://ur1.ca/0nxe6 Wallpapers Made Using Inkscape http://ur1.ca/0mhdq | Jul 12 19:51 | |
ender2070 | no irc client | Jul 12 19:52 |
ender2070 | had to install it off the repo | Jul 12 19:52 |
ender2070 | 128mb for konversation :( | Jul 12 19:52 |
ender2070 | took forever | Jul 12 19:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of TeamViewer and rekonq for #gnu #linux http://ur1.ca/0nxe0 http://ur1.ca/0nxe1 | Jul 12 19:52 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microblogging/Identi.ca clients reviewed http://ur1.ca/0lwxp http://ur1.ca/0nxee | Jul 12 19:52 | |
ender2070 | on fedora, 128mb is probably the size of an update for well over 50 packages | Jul 12 19:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Multimedia News: http://ur1.ca/0nxen http://ur1.ca/0nxeo http://ur1.ca/0nxep | Jul 12 19:53 | |
ender2070 | no chromium it seems | Jul 12 19:54 |
ender2070 | first forum post I looked asking for it was full of trolls | Jul 12 19:54 |
ender2070 | 'google spies on you' 'ie, safari are way better' | Jul 12 19:54 |
ender2070 | 'firefox is better chromium is google so it spies on you' | Jul 12 19:54 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Games News: http://ur1.ca/0nxez http://ur1.ca/0nxf1 http://ur1.ca/0nxf2 | Jul 12 19:54 | |
ender2070 | except firefox ALSO spies on you for google | Jul 12 19:55 |
MinceR | everything is better than everything | Jul 12 19:55 |
ender2070 | lol | Jul 12 19:55 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Google SketchUp Runs in gnu #Linux http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/google-sketchup.html | Jul 12 19:55 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lord Mandelson is just embarrassing himself http://tinyurl.com/23hxpor - Yep thats Lord Mandy..... #fail #fail #deb #deb | Jul 12 19:55 | |
ender2070 | to me, as long as its free software I don't care | Jul 12 19:56 |
ender2070 | and as long as its not microsoft | Jul 12 19:56 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Dot on Planet KDE, Georg Greve http://ur1.ca/0nxfb http://ur1.ca/0nxfc | Jul 12 19:56 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ghacks.net's Wallen has a new series on #Xfce http://ur1.ca/0nxfl http://ur1.ca/0nxfm | Jul 12 19:56 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz But without Ballnux, how will Microsoft make money? ;) People seem to be going rapidly off MS products. | Jul 12 19:57 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distributions that deserve more recognition http://ur1.ca/0nxft http://ur1.ca/0nxfu http://ur1.ca/0nxfv | Jul 12 19:57 | |
ender2070 | Sabayon comes with proprietary stuff | Jul 12 19:58 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great Review for Puppy #Linux http://www.kmeckstein.com/linux/and-they-call-it-puppy-love/ | Jul 12 19:59 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Salix #LXDE 13.1 Released http://www.muktware.com/distromatch/09/2010/229 | Jul 12 19:59 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Release News http://ur1.ca/0nxg5 http://ur1.ca/0nxg7 | Jul 12 19:59 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010 Spring coverage http://ur1.ca/0nxge http://ur1.ca/0nxgf http://ur1.ca/0nxgh http://ur1.ca/0nxgi http://ur1.ca/0nxgj | Jul 12 20:00 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Expect to be a billion dollar co by next fiscal: #RedHat http://ur1.ca/0nxgm http://ur1.ca/0nxgn http://ur1.ca/0nxgp http://ur1.ca/0nxgq | Jul 12 20:00 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora news, #OLPC presence http://ur1.ca/0nxgw http://ur1.ca/0nxgx http://ur1.ca/0nxh0 http://ur1.ca/0nxh1 | Jul 12 20:01 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian News: #Firefox returns to Debian? http://ur1.ca/0nxh6 http://ur1.ca/0nxh7 | Jul 12 20:02 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical #Ubuntu packaging discussed http://ur1.ca/0nxhf http://ur1.ca/0nxhg | Jul 12 20:03 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misc. #Ubuntu news: http://ur1.ca/0nxhm http://ur1.ca/0nxhn http://ur1.ca/0nxho http://ur1.ca/0nxhp http://ur1.ca/0nxhq | Jul 12 20:04 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lisa writes for Intel re "The Fragmentation of Linux: Two Points of View" http://ur1.ca/0nxic | Jul 12 20:05 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/7/6/arm-muscling-desktop-space/ http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/NetLogic-Microsystems-NLX321103A/ | Jul 12 20:05 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News about #Ubuntu derivatives/flavours for netbooks http://ur1.ca/0nxhv http://ur1.ca/0lzgf | Jul 12 20:06 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sorry, that last dent was about #ARM using Linux against x86. This fight is good for Linux | Jul 12 20:06 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Phones news: Flash Player 10.1 Ported To #MeeGo , #Android http://ur1.ca/0nxiw Open source software battle heats up http://ur1.ca/0nxix | Jul 12 20:07 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android apps galore http://sensormote.weebly.com/ http://androidspin.com/2010/07/10/android-market-on-the-verge-of-hitting-100k/ | Jul 12 20:08 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Why I Turned In My iPhone and Went #Android ' http://blog.louisgray.com/2010/07/why-i-turned-in-my-iphone-and-went.html #hypePhone | Jul 12 20:10 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android: it's about the apps http://ur1.ca/0nxjm http://ur1.ca/0nxjn http://ur1.ca/0nxjp http://ur1.ca/0nxjq | Jul 12 20:10 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia/MeeGo as #Linux proponent http://ur1.ca/0nxja http://ur1.ca/0nxjb http://ur1.ca/0nxjc http://ur1.ca/0nxje | Jul 12 20:10 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Android Grows at a Blistering Pace" http://ur1.ca/0nxjx http://ur1.ca/0nxjy http://ur1.ca/0nxk1 | Jul 12 20:10 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Android Gains Marketshare While All Others Lose It' http://ur1.ca/0nxka #Fujitsu joins http://ur1.ca/0nxkb new SDK http://ur1.ca/0nxkc | Jul 12 20:11 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola runs ahead with Linux (Android) http://ur1.ca/0nxkv http://ur1.ca/0nxkw | Jul 12 20:12 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu on Nexus One, Froyo on Sprint’s Hero http://ur1.ca/0nxkc 'Android sees healthy growth' http://ur1.ca/0nxkn | Jul 12 20:12 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with Linux: More to come http://ur1.ca/0nxl5 http://ur1.ca/0nxl6 | Jul 12 20:12 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Affordable Android-powered iPad-like Tablet Computers Galore" http://www.junauza.com/2010/07/affordable-android-powered-ipad-like.html | Jul 12 20:13 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open source chosen for first major contract for Indian ID cards project http://ur1.ca/0nxlg used to be just Microsoft #nasscom | Jul 12 20:13 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "University Challenge & the open source debating society" http://ur1.ca/0nxlj it spreads | Jul 12 20:14 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Newspaper chain Journal Register Company announces move to open source http://ur1.ca/0nxlr Free is better sometimes | Jul 12 20:14 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open source financial analytics startup OpenGamma comes out of stealth mode http://ur1.ca/0nxm4 | Jul 12 20:15 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The state of the open source nation http://www.pcpro.co.uk/realworld/359326/the-state-of-the-open-source-nation nation or world? | Jul 12 20:15 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Technologies Are Buggier Than Open Source? http://ur1.ca/0nxma http://ur1.ca/0nxmf #antifud | Jul 12 20:17 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Project Management Tools http://ur1.ca/0nxml Some are not so "Open Source" | Jul 12 20:17 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia resorts to software freedom to rescue Symbian http://ur1.ca/0nxms http://ur1.ca/0nxmt http://ur1.ca/0nxmu | Jul 12 20:17 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Events: #Rails Sydney Meetup July 2010 http://ur1.ca/0nxn1 Libre Software Meeting GNU gathering this week in Bordeaux http://ur1.ca/0nxn3 | Jul 12 20:18 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web browser comparisons: FOSS fares well http://ur1.ca/0nxn9 http://ur1.ca/0nxna http://ur1.ca/0nxnb | Jul 12 20:18 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Public License rewrite deletes Netscape http://ur1.ca/0nxnk Mozilla helped rescue the Web from MSIE | Jul 12 20:19 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox 4 Beta Brings Speed Boost http://ur1.ca/0nxnq http://ur1.ca/0nxnr http://ur1.ca/0nxns http://ur1.ca/0lqcn http://ur1.ca/0nxnt | Jul 12 20:20 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New examples of F/OSS in #SaaS http://ur1.ca/0nxnz http://ur1.ca/0lxk4 #fogcomputing | Jul 12 20:20 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CEO of #Ingres interviewed http://opensource.cbronline.com/features/roger-burkhardt-ceo-ingres-080710 #db | Jul 12 20:21 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My Top 10 Most Useful #Joomla Components http://phpbuilder.com/columns/joomla/components/voja_janjic070710.php3 | Jul 12 20:21 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Considering Open Source Software for K-12 http://ur1.ca/0nxop "IT directors are replacing existing solutions with OSS" | Jul 12 20:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Software: Less Feature-Rich Than Proprietary Competition? http://ur1.ca/0nxp0 | Jul 12 20:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tired defence of "Open core" http://ur1.ca/0nxpf Analysis of Consona’s Acquisition of Compiere http://ur1.ca/0nxpg | Jul 12 20:23 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GOLEMs are better than “Intellectual Property” - Passing criticism on “IP” http://blogs.fsfe.org/mk/?p=612 ideas are not property | Jul 12 20:25 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GhostBSD 1.0 reviewed, FreeBSD compared to #Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxpk http://ur1.ca/0nxpl #bsd | Jul 12 20:25 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #fsf reaches out http://ur1.ca/0lxbr http://ur1.ca/0nxq1 | Jul 12 20:25 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman and GCC http://ur1.ca/0nxqh views on copyrights http://ur1.ca/0lwd2 | Jul 12 20:27 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Notable FOSS Project Releases http://ur1.ca/0nxqs http://ur1.ca/0nxqt http://ur1.ca/0nxqu | Jul 12 20:27 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Notable FOSS Project Releases {ctd.} http://ur1.ca/0nxr1 http://ur1.ca/0nxr2 http://ur1.ca/0nxr3 http://ur1.ca/0nxr4 | Jul 12 20:28 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government of Australia opens to more interaction with Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrc http://ur1.ca/0nxrf | Jul 12 20:29 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] U.K. government could drop Microsoft for Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrh http://ur1.ca/0nxri http://ur1.ca/0lxy8 | Jul 12 20:29 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption -- WOW! http://ur1.ca/0nxrn Korea next? http://ur1.ca/0lwxd | Jul 12 20:30 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Legal foundations of the open source way http://ur1.ca/0nxrt also see The Open Science Shift http://ur1.ca/0nxru | Jul 12 20:30 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Sara Coffin likes to think of Schreibstuck as the dance equivalent of open-source software" http://ur1.ca/0nxrz | Jul 12 20:31 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenData wins: http://ur1.ca/0nxs6 http://ur1.ca/0nxs7 http://ur1.ca/0nxs8 http://ur1.ca/0nxs9 http://ur1.ca/0nxsa | Jul 12 20:31 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Course Production http://ur1.ca/0nxsd Does Creative Commons need more court cases? http://ur1.ca/0nxse #openaccess | Jul 12 20:32 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "A full open source hardware track offers a range of talks to get you started with hardware hacking" http://ur1.ca/0nxsj | Jul 12 20:33 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FOSS Programming News: http://ur1.ca/0nxsq http://ur1.ca/0nxsr http://ur1.ca/0nxss http://ur1.ca/0nxst ("published in July 2010") | Jul 12 20:33 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF "The mission of this project is improving the interoperability of UOF." http://ur1.ca/0nxt4 http://ur1.ca/0nxt5 @via robweir | Jul 12 20:35 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) Version 1.2" http://ur1.ca/0nxtf #odf | Jul 12 20:35 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest dirt on #ACTA http://ur1.ca/0lxbs http://ur1.ca/0llwj | Jul 12 20:36 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital Economy Act causes unrest, still http://ur1.ca/0nxts http://ur1.ca/0nxtt http://ur1.ca/0nxtu #debill #deact | Jul 12 20:37 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apologies for posting 3 days of news (accumulated) all at once. I'm mostly out of the house this week. | Jul 12 20:39 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Linux Outlaws - Live now! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linuxoutlaws #linux #linux #microsoft #microsoft #mvp | Jul 12 20:44 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin exactly | Jul 12 20:44 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Government of Australia opens to more interaction with Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrc http://ur1.ca/0nxrf | Jul 12 20:45 | |
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TechrightsBot | Title: SBR gets open source tool, AUSkey coming to Linux - SBR, pki, open source, linux.conf.au. Linux Australia, Linux, government, Department of Treasury, Auskey, ATO - CIO .::. Size~: 95.75 KB | Jul 12 20:46 |
schestowitz | back in a mo... of to pick my mom | Jul 12 20:49 |
ThistleWeb | <schestowitz> back in a mo... of to pick my mom << sounds like a special version of blind date | Jul 12 20:53 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows Phone 7 Issues Could Mirror Kin's http://tinyurl.com/3y7qy7l #microsoft #microsoft #kin #mvp #xp #vista #windows #fail | Jul 12 21:03 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Watch - Desktop & Mobile - Windows Phone 7 Issues Could Mirror Kin's .::. Size~: 43.46 KB | Jul 12 21:04 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] It is alleged that #Microsoft sold 503 #kin phones. Way to go Microsoft! You've got the mobile platform sorted! ;) Watch out Android! | Jul 12 21:07 | |
ender2070 | we need a compiler bot | Jul 12 21:14 |
ender2070 | ##c++ has one | Jul 12 21:15 |
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cube486 | look ma no heat sink :) | Jul 12 21:20 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Since I was impressed with Zenwalk, Zencafe looks like an interesting project. Think I will give the Slackware distro a look. #linux | Jul 12 21:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and another non-Ubuntu derived distro thats caught my eye: Lunar Linux http://www.lunar-linux.org/index.php Give that a look too! | Jul 12 21:29 | |
*cubezzz wonders if MinceR tried Mepis | Jul 12 21:41 | |
MinceR | i did | Jul 12 21:42 |
MinceR | then i decided i don't want it | Jul 12 21:42 |
cubezzz | why not? | Jul 12 21:42 |
MinceR | its configuration utilities appear to be proprietary | Jul 12 21:42 |
MinceR | and their scheme about source code acquisition is shady | Jul 12 21:43 |
MinceR | if i had looked at distrowatch more thoroughly i would have also noted that it lacks abiword, gnumeric, inkscape and gimp | Jul 12 21:44 |
MinceR | do only mention a few things | Jul 12 21:44 |
cubezzz | hmmm | Jul 12 21:44 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] American National Standards Institute (ANSI) on Twitter @ansidotorg (I would have gone for something catchier like "US-Standards") | Jul 12 21:53 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @Grant_Sewell_IT: Currently reading "The Art of Community" by @jonobacon. Awesome read! #fb | Jul 12 22:06 | |
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ender2070 | Yay I might be going to school :D | Jul 12 22:24 |
ender2070 | i'll know tomorrow | Jul 12 22:25 |
ender2070 | its all looking good | Jul 12 22:25 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Census axed as accurate information declared frivolous http://newstechnica.com/?p=2273 | Jul 12 22:35 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:Proof_that_all_odd_numbers_are_prime | Jul 12 22:48 | |
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MinceR | lol | Jul 12 22:49 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Nintendo 3DS packs extra weapons against piracy - http://bit.ly/bwq4uK if it truly believes that, it's doomed #nintendo #piracy | Jul 12 22:50 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Closing the Digital Frontier - http://bit.ly/ds6qcF more wishful thinking of the "I'm glad I'm a closed gamma" meme #clueless | Jul 12 22:56 | |
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sebsebseb | whos here? | Jul 12 22:58 |
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MinceR | (flash) (audio) (animated) http://www.thebest404pageever.com/swf/56k.swf | Jul 12 22:59 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody Nintendo (above everyone else) should know "resistance is futile" every console they've released has had a "backup device" | Jul 12 23:06 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody The Magicom, Diskdoctor V64, R4 Whats up with Nintendo? been hit with the MS arrogance/self importance stick? | Jul 12 23:08 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Software Freedom, Open Source Software, and Jane Jacobs - http://bit.ly/aAuR77 "Yeah but, no but - " #opensource #freesw #osi | Jul 12 23:09 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody Producing a console which prevents "piracy" would be a similar task to making a deodorant to stop Ballmer sweating on stage.... | Jul 12 23:11 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Looking More Closely At Judge Gertner's Constitutional Analysis Of Copyright Awards In Tenenbaum Case - http://bit.ly/dCmry3 fascinating | Jul 12 23:14 | |
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MinceR | gn | Jul 12 23:17 |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody You know me...any excuse to get a Ballmer dig in the conversation. | Jul 12 23:22 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] CopyWrong! - http://bit.ly/cAAiS4 how copyright is destroying our heritage, Part 768576: in this case, old, crumbling piano rolls #copyright | Jul 12 23:48 | |
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] MediaTek Joins Open Handset Alliance to Bring its Processors to Low-Cost Android Phones - http://bit.ly/aDkUEt expanding the ecosystem | Jul 12 23:51 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "powerful application platform for people to create compelling new experiences." - PR RE: Winmob 7......this will be good, after hundreds | Jul 12 23:51 | |
TechrightsBot | Title: MediaTek Joins Open Handset Alliance to Bring its Processors to Low-Cost Android Phones | Android Phone Fans .::. Size~: 30.94 KB | Jul 12 23:52 |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] of thousands of apps for both Apple and Android...what on earth does Microsoft think could be new? | Jul 12 23:53 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lets hope the "new" isn't a resurrection of the Kin or an appearance of the Zune on Winmob7, neither of them are either new or compelling. | Jul 12 23:54 | |
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I say correct, it claims im sitting in a tree...but I do know that tree! Its close by! | Jul 12 23:56 |
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