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DaemonFChttp://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154477/?tab=relatedJul 12 00:03
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sebsebsebschestowitz:  DaemonFC  uh  what @ the Canonical branding thing?  Or I guess I have to listen to the MP3 to understand.Jul 12 00:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Check out my review (spoilers included) of Predators http://tinyurl.com/2dmwllj #predators #scifi #moviesJul 12 00:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/cvN40o roflcopterJul 12 00:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Indiana moves ex-cons from motel over sex club - chicagotribune.com .::. Size~: 121.31 KBJul 12 00:06
DaemonFC"The Indiana prison system has used federal funding since 2006 to house some sex offenders after they're released from prison in motels across the state. " the hell......?Jul 12 00:07
DaemonFCthat's a great ideaJul 12 00:07
DaemonFChey, I think I figured out why kids get abducted at motels!Jul 12 00:07
*DaemonFC facepalmsJul 12 00:07
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DaemonFCsebsebseb: I had an ideaJul 12 00:11
DaemonFCyou know those rfid chips they want to start implanting in kids at birth so the government can track them for life?Jul 12 00:11
DaemonFCwhy can't they rig up a shock collar that sex offenders have to wear, that senses if they get too close to a kidJul 12 00:12
DaemonFCand shocks the hell out of them and notifies the police? :)Jul 12 00:12
schestowitztessier: I want to give you login credentials for WordPressJul 12 00:12
schestowitzI'm on and off for the coming week, so might need someone to have access just in caseJul 12 00:13
DaemonFCschestowitz: Or perhaps those mine detecting monkeys that Morocco offered the US governmentJul 12 00:13
iantoDaemonFC: Brilliant idea however I've never heard of RFID tagging kids yetJul 12 00:13
DaemonFCyou figure they could be retasked to follow sex offenders and shock them if they get too close to a kid?Jul 12 00:14
DaemonFCB-)Jul 12 00:14
DaemonFCianto: Rich parents are doing thatJul 12 00:14
DaemonFCit's some RFID/GPS combo thing that they tag their kids withJul 12 00:14
iantoWaste of money imhoJul 12 00:14
DaemonFCyeah, until the kid gets abducted and the FBI knows whose door to break down :)Jul 12 00:15
schestowitzDaemonFC: the US shipped ordinary Americans to Africa? Jul 12 00:15
DaemonFCbesides, it's their money to waste I guessJul 12 00:15
DaemonFCschestowitz: We control most African governmentsJul 12 00:15
DaemonFCwe could probably deport our sex offenders thereJul 12 00:16
schestowitzI knowJul 12 00:16
schestowitzThrough bodies like IMFJul 12 00:16
DaemonFCor maybe just put them all on rafts and make them paddle to CubaJul 12 00:16
schestowitzAnd your hedge funds, e.g. ElliotJul 12 00:16
schestowitzDaemonFC: you seem proud of itJul 12 00:16
DaemonFCschestowitz: I'd get some shit taken care of if I was the President B-)Jul 12 00:17
tessierschestowitz: Ok.Jul 12 00:17
DaemonFCyou know buried in all that anti-terrorism legislation, it lets the President go through DHS to revoke the citizenship of anyone not born in the US?Jul 12 00:17
schestowitzDaemonFC: TJ has new videos:Jul 12 00:17
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgmIiM1P9ko&feature=digestJul 12 00:17
DaemonFCI'd use that on foreign born criminalsJul 12 00:17
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Mel Gibson is BATSH*T INSANE (but I still kinda like him) .::. Size~: 112.89 KBJul 12 00:17
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8eE6k5ktYo&feature=digestJul 12 00:17
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Penetrating Teenage Girls' Brains .::. Size~: 107.58 KBJul 12 00:17
schestowitzvery funnyJul 12 00:17
DaemonFCyou know, like New Zealand doesJul 12 00:17
DaemonFCwe have enough problems without importing them from the rest of the worldJul 12 00:18
schestowitzDaemonFC: rush speaks just like you:Jul 12 00:19
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtL0QQxRzR4&feature=digestJul 12 00:19
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Lindsay Lohan Cries and the Internet Dies! .::. Size~: 106.89 KBJul 12 00:19
schestowitzAnd proud of itJul 12 00:19
schestowitzThen blames Obama of ruining America, of course.. :-Jul 12 00:19
DaemonFCthe US Constitution makes a clear distinction between "natural born citizen" and "naturalized citizen"Jul 12 00:19
DaemonFCthat's why they didn't go as far as to give the President the ability to revoke MY citizenshipJul 12 00:19
DaemonFCit would be less likely to hold up in the court systemJul 12 00:19
DaemonFCit says the naturalization process is to be defined by statutory lawJul 12 00:20
DaemonFCwhich means that naturalized citizenship could theoretically be removedJul 12 00:20
DaemonFCI don't know that it's ever been tested thoughJul 12 00:21
DaemonFCbut the constitutional protection of naturalized citizens is likely not as strongJul 12 00:21
DaemonFCbecause if they can revoke it and deport you, well, yeah....Jul 12 00:21
DaemonFCand again, nobody bitches about New Zealand having that policy, AND using itJul 12 00:22
DaemonFCthey don't want to import trouble makersJul 12 00:22
DaemonFCand neither should the United StatesJul 12 00:22
schestowitztessier: treed is now an administrator (God mode)Jul 12 00:23
DaemonFCschestowitz: I would introduce a bill providing for the revocation and deportation of any naturalized US citizen that has committed a Class A, B, or C felony under the laws of the Federal or State systems.Jul 12 00:24
DaemonFCand mandatory expedition of such revocation and deportationJul 12 00:24
schestowitzThe sie has 3400 registered usersJul 12 00:24
DaemonFCthrough a limited appeals processJul 12 00:24
schestowitzdeportation to where?Jul 12 00:24
schestowitzFugitives?Jul 12 00:25
DaemonFCi.e., you can appeal it once, and the court has to make up their mind within 6 monthsJul 12 00:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: If they are dual citizens, that's an easy oneJul 12 00:25
schestowitzI used to think Rush was right wingJul 12 00:25
schestowitzThen I listened to youJul 12 00:25
DaemonFCreturn to sender, and ban from reentry into the USJul 12 00:25
schestowitzdual citizens won't commit crimesJul 12 00:26
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schestowitzThey are usually better behavedJul 12 00:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #UNIX Love of Ransom: Proprietary hypePhone, Novell, SCO http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/unix-and-proprietary/Jul 12 00:26
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I would also introduce a bill to revoke diplomatic immunity from all felony offenses and Class A or Class 1 Misdemeanors.Jul 12 00:26
DaemonFCB-)Jul 12 00:26
DaemonFCmy thinking on that is that if you commit a crime of that nature, common sense would tell you it was against the law even if you're unfamiliar with the lawJul 12 00:27
DaemonFCschestowitz: I would also like to see illegal immigrants who are caught hit with a $50,000 fine, to be extracted from their employer.Jul 12 00:29
DaemonFC:DJul 12 00:29
DaemonFCright now, employers are happy to view a possible $500 fine as a cost of doing businessJul 12 00:30
DaemonFCthe feds round up 100 illegals and you still only owe $50,000 in fines for all 100 of themJul 12 00:30
DaemonFC$50,000 for every individual illegal immigrant would create a liability that most employers would find unacceptableJul 12 00:31
tessierDaemonFC: Why would an illegal immigrant tell you who their employer is?Jul 12 00:31
DaemonFChell, it would drive most of them out of business if they tried it just onceJul 12 00:31
DaemonFCbecause most crackdowns happen at the location of employmentJul 12 00:32
tessierI would actually like to see huge fines levied against employers also. Jul 12 00:32
tessierBecause it would put a stop to the practice, temporarily hose our economy, and then we would get meaningful reform.Jul 12 00:32
DaemonFCtessier: Say the feds raid a meat packing plant that has 200 illegal immigrants working there.Jul 12 00:32
DaemonFCRight now, they have a $100,000 fine on their handsJul 12 00:32
tessierRightJul 12 00:32
DaemonFCunder my system, they would have a $10 million fineJul 12 00:33
tessierOk by me.Jul 12 00:33
tessierBut neither Republicans nor Democrats are going for it.Jul 12 00:33
DaemonFCyes, they both like illegal immigrationJul 12 00:33
DaemonFCfor different reasonsJul 12 00:33
tessierAnd their constituents like it. Jul 12 00:34
DaemonFCthe last level of government where you can expect any non-corrupt politicians is at state levelJul 12 00:34
tessierSo what's the problem with it, again?Jul 12 00:34
DaemonFCand that's why you have Arizona's new lawJul 12 00:34
tessierAre any of AZ's congressman pushing for the sort of fines you are talking about?Jul 12 00:34
DaemonFCunfortunately notJul 12 00:35
DaemonFCthe feds pretend they're covering the fining system tooJul 12 00:36
DaemonFChttp://www.californiaemploymentattorneyblog.com/2010/06/employers-face-stringent-penalties-for-knowingly-hiring-illegal-immigrants.htmlJul 12 00:36
TechrightsBotTitle: Employers Face Stringent Penalties for Knowingly Hiring Illegal Immigrants - California Employment Attorney Blog .::. Size~: 22.96 KBJul 12 00:36
DaemonFC"  In the past nine months, 65 employers have been arrested and 109 companies have been fined a total of about $3 million"Jul 12 00:36
DaemonFCwoohooJul 12 00:36
DaemonFCa while $3 million fine spread between 109 companiesJul 12 00:36
DaemonFCthat'll sure teach them.... :PJul 12 00:36
DaemonFChttp://www.coffeecup.com/free-editor/Jul 12 00:41
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DaemonFCworks well in WineJul 12 00:41
DaemonFCschestowitz: Rush Limbaugh is crazyJul 12 00:55
DaemonFChe pushes for things the Constitution and laws obviously would not allowJul 12 00:56
DaemonFCwhich makes him look retarded as wellJul 12 00:56
DaemonFCif it's "Constitutional" to assess a million dollar fine per MP3, it'Jul 12 00:56
DaemonFCit's constitutional to fine an employer $50,000 per illegal alienJul 12 00:56
DaemonFCthe courts are really screwing up unrelated things if they allow million dollar MP3 finesJul 12 00:57
DaemonFCthat's why the federal judges are reducing the damages to like $2,400 each and inventing constitutional protections that really don't existJul 12 00:58
DaemonFCthey know that if it's constitutionally legal to fine an MP3 download at a million dollars, it's constitutional to fine someone a million dollars for spitting on the sidewalkJul 12 00:58
DaemonFCthey know exactly what kind of damage could be done if they allow the RIAA's insanity to passJul 12 00:59
DaemonFCcourts are typically careful when they set precedent that could apply to many other areas of lawJul 12 00:59
DaemonFCthat's why they are not letting the million dollar per MP3 judgments standJul 12 01:00
DaemonFCpersonally, I think $1,000 speeding tickets are probably excessive in many cases where they're writtenJul 12 01:01
DaemonFCbut the courts affirm thoseJul 12 01:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Wins, Even on Desktops (and I’m Taking a Break) http://techrights.org/2010/07/11/on-pure-gnu-linux-advocacy/ signing off tomorrowJul 12 01:27
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schestowitzThe trolls tend to misuse my photos when I upload themJul 12 01:28
DaemonFCahem....Jul 12 01:32
DaemonFC"Roy is standing in front of Coca Cola umbrellas"Jul 12 01:32
DaemonFC"Some people say that Coca Cola murders union organizers in South America"Jul 12 01:33
DaemonFC"Therefore, some people would argue that Roy murders South American union organizers for Coca Cola"Jul 12 01:33
DaemonFC"Or at the very least, supports doing it"Jul 12 01:33
DaemonFCB-)Jul 12 01:33
schestowitzI wasn't aware of these items when the photo was takenJul 12 01:34
DaemonFCuh huhJul 12 01:34
DaemonFC:PJul 12 01:34
DaemonFCmurderer!Jul 12 01:34
DaemonFCheheJul 12 01:34
schestowitzIt's really just an eye sore in a beach... not as bad as BP'sJul 12 01:34
DaemonFCschestowitz: Did you know that Florida has an East Coast where oil isn't washing up and killing everything and everyone?Jul 12 01:35
DaemonFCDid you know that this represents almsot half of Florida's beaches?Jul 12 01:35
DaemonFC*This message brought to you by the Florida Tourism Board and BPJul 12 01:36
DaemonFChehe'Jul 12 01:36
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/T8SKS/Jul 12 01:36
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schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, I saw videos about Florida and posted them hereJul 12 01:36
schestowitzThey use PR liarsJul 12 01:36
schestowitzMoney before safetyJul 12 01:36
DaemonFCyeahJul 12 01:37
DaemonFCI saw those commercials and it just screamed "Ignore the 300 miles of beach where oil IS killing everything and just use the other side of the state!"Jul 12 01:37
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/tqlT2/Jul 12 01:38
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DaemonFC"Don't let dying whales, dolphins, sea turtles, and who knows what else ruin your summer fun, just use the other side of the state!"Jul 12 01:38
DaemonFCschestowitz: The last Pirates of the Caribbean movie left off with them heading for Florida.Jul 12 01:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Best Tech Guy caller EVER with Leo Laporte http://tinyogg.com/watch/tqlT2/ HilariousJul 12 01:40
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DaemonFC"Don't ride the Sea Turtles, mate! There be no more of 'em here!" "Argggh!!!"Jul 12 01:41
DaemonFCIf God intended for a little oil spill that's killing everything in the Gulf to ruin our fun in Florida, he wouldn't have made beaches on the other side of the state...Jul 12 01:42
DaemonFC:PJul 12 01:42
schestowitz'Intelligent' 'design'Jul 12 01:52
DaemonFChmmmJul 12 01:55
DaemonFCCatalyst 10.6 has landed in Mandriva 2010.1 backportsJul 12 01:55
DaemonFCnow I might have an excuse to try it outJul 12 01:55
DaemonFCI've been waiting for a distro to properly support Catalyst 10.6Jul 12 01:55
DaemonFCdue to the godawful old 2d acceleration that it replacesJul 12 01:56
schestowitzx was better in previous distro...Jul 12 01:58
schestowitzThis one slows down sometimesJul 12 01:58
schestowitzEven suspends kwin effectsJul 12 01:58
DaemonFCI may just use Ubuntu and add the X Swat PPAJul 12 01:59
DaemonFCto get Catalyst 10.6Jul 12 01:59
schestowitzIt's hard to tell what's causing itJul 12 01:59
DaemonFCI'd rather put up with Windows than use the old FGLRX 2d architectureJul 12 01:59
DaemonFCthat thing was hell on wheelsJul 12 01:59
schestowitzDiagnosis doesn't show what puts burden on xJul 12 01:59
DaemonFCyeah, I may just use Ubuntu 10.04 and slap the PPA onto itJul 12 02:00
schestowitzhold onJul 12 02:00
*DaemonFC really really really doesn't want the old FGLRXJul 12 02:00
DaemonFCthe old 2d architecture also interfered with 3d appsJul 12 02:01
DaemonFCif you had compositing onJul 12 02:01
DaemonFCcausing weird artifacts and crashingJul 12 02:01
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*DaemonFC wonders if he can rig Ubuntu into booting in the first placeJul 12 02:02
DaemonFCsomething with the Wubi version hated my GPUJul 12 02:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman’s Presentation From 2009 – eLiberatica (as Ogg) http://ur1.ca/0n53z transcoded, shared for insightJul 12 02:06
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cube486do a ctcp on me :)Jul 12 02:11
DaemonFCyeahJul 12 02:14
DaemonFCUbuntu 10.4 + PPA the hell out of itJul 12 02:15
DaemonFCis probably my final answer hereJul 12 02:15
DaemonFCperhaps on my older system tooJul 12 02:16
DaemonFCmy mom has been wanting a PC and I'm scared to death of what would happen if I handed her one with Windows on itJul 12 02:16
cube486you think I can run Windows 7? heh hehJul 12 02:16
DaemonFCcube486: I've noticed that the improvements in Windows 7 reliability are mainly to make more DRM possibleJul 12 02:17
DaemonFCthey're a side effect of enabling new DRMJul 12 02:17
cube486will it run in 16 megs of ram?Jul 12 02:17
DaemonFCnot the main purposeJul 12 02:17
-NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@cg070c.halls.manchester.ac.uk has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)Jul 12 02:17
DaemonFCoh sure, sureJul 12 02:17
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DaemonFCWindows 7 will run on a 286Jul 12 02:17
cube486oh goodJul 12 02:18
DaemonFCbut you have to run it in Standard ModeJul 12 02:18
DaemonFCit trims the functionality back to a a message saying it failed to startJul 12 02:18
cube486bummerJul 12 02:18
DaemonFCwhich Microsoft considers one step below Windows 7 Starter EditionJul 12 02:18
DaemonFCB-)Jul 12 02:18
cube486guess I'll stick with Linux thenJul 12 02:19
DaemonFCcube486: The plus side is that since it can't start, it's immune from virus attacksJul 12 02:19
DaemonFCB-)Jul 12 02:19
cube486watched that silly documentary on Gates yesterdayJul 12 02:20
cube486it was quite badJul 12 02:20
DaemonFChttp://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5899/74636875.pngJul 12 02:21
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DaemonFCheheJul 12 02:21
DaemonFCbrbJul 12 02:22
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cube486I guess DaemonFC left to buy more ram :)Jul 12 02:22
cube486hmm, don't have tab completion any moreJul 12 02:23
cube486but this is the most compact irc client I could findJul 12 02:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @astyguy: @jonobacon could you please get your followers submit their best linux apps to here http://www.reddit.com/r/LaunchpadJul 12 02:23
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9mbwMEJ5Ik&feature=digestJul 12 02:27
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAyMYdQcwV4&feature=digestJul 12 02:27
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- The Deadly Doctor Gambit .::. Size~: 101 KBJul 12 02:27
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DaemonFCI may have to shove an old graphics card in to get Ubuntu to even boot upJul 12 02:29
cube486I thought you didn't like Ubuntu?Jul 12 02:31
DaemonFCapparently nobody with a 5670 can get Ubuntu to bootJul 12 02:31
DaemonFCthe work around is to use a DVI to VGA adapterJul 12 02:32
DaemonFCand then install the proprietary driverJul 12 02:32
DaemonFCthen remove the DVI to VGA  adapterJul 12 02:32
schestowitzIndiana floods?Jul 12 02:32
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqBURjOdOG8&feature=digestJul 12 02:32
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Climate Denial Crock of the Week - Climate Change and National Security .::. Size~: 104.76 KBJul 12 02:32
*DaemonFC wonders if he even still has one and why it would be necessary on a modern OSJul 12 02:32
schestowitzWatch how they connect warnings og global warming to terroristsJul 12 02:33
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DaemonFCOsama Bin Laden = Climate changeJul 12 02:33
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DaemonFCwhat's so hard to grasp?Jul 12 02:33
DaemonFC:DJul 12 02:33
cube486dude, I bet I have less problems with my 486 :)Jul 12 02:33
cube486plus I don't even have an ethernet cardJul 12 02:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Snicker RT @mkapor: Paul the Octopus 8 for 8 in World Cup picks. Signs with Miami Heat.Jul 12 02:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @pleia2: New blog post: "Bay Area Geeknic 2.5: Tailgate party!" http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=3201Jul 12 03:00
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Catalyst 10.6 fliesJul 12 03:52
DaemonFCI like itJul 12 03:52
DaemonFCnone of the Compiz problems their old driver hadJul 12 03:52
cubezzzmore SCO news on slashdotJul 12 03:54
DaemonFCI seriously like this new Catalyst driverJul 12 03:55
DaemonFCit beats the hell out of their old ones that would limp around and crash more than they workedJul 12 03:55
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 03:55
cubezzzthis is a nice quote:Jul 12 04:03
cubezzz"But eventually the open source world won, by producing Javascript libraries that grew over the brokenness of Explorer the way a tree grows over barbed wire."Jul 12 04:03
DaemonFCcubezzz, I ended up connecting through a VGA cable until I could get the proprietary ATI driver installed :PJul 12 05:47
DaemonFC:DJul 12 05:47
DaemonFCI had to compensate for a lot of incorrect Ubuntu behaviorJul 12 05:55
DaemonFC:PJul 12 05:55
DaemonFCOpera/9.80 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; en) Presto/2.6.30 Version/10.70Jul 12 06:02
DaemonFCheheJul 12 06:02
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MinceRgeekingsJul 12 06:33
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DaemonFCMinceR: Glorious newsJul 12 06:34
DaemonFCthe FGLRX driver no longer sucksJul 12 06:34
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DaemonFCand Opera is working nicely on Linux now too :)Jul 12 06:35
DaemonFCpinch meJul 12 06:35
MinceRfglrx may yet start sucking againJul 12 06:37
DaemonFCMinceR: They fixed it, I shit you notJul 12 06:37
DaemonFCOblivion worksJul 12 06:37
DaemonFCeven with Compiz onJul 12 06:37
MinceRand that's all you test for? :>Jul 12 06:38
DaemonFCwell, it's a good startJul 12 06:38
DaemonFCCompiz didn't even work all that well in the old driversJul 12 06:38
MinceRbut it's only a startJul 12 06:38
DaemonFCwho cares? At least I can use Linux now without pining for Vista's screaming responsivenessJul 12 06:39
DaemonFC:PJul 12 06:39
MinceRwell, that's an improvementJul 12 06:40
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DaemonFChttp://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23620Jul 12 06:52
DaemonFChehJul 12 06:52
TechrightsBotTitle: WineHQ Bugzilla – Bug 23620 – Running IMVU causes a kernel panic and freezes the system. .::. Size~: 24.46 KBJul 12 06:52
DaemonFC------- Comment #1 From Dmitry Timoshkov 2010-07-12 00:50:40 (-) [reply] ------- Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFCReport this to your distro.Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFC------- Comment #2 From Dmitry Timoshkov 2010-07-12 00:50:56 (-) [reply] ------- Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFCClosing invalid.Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFC------- Comment #3 From Ryan 2010-07-12 00:57:17 (-) [reply] ------- Jul 12 07:02
DaemonFCPass the buck. OK, thanks.Jul 12 07:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] In the space of 2 hours, watched porpoises swim in the Bay, & ppl play in a park near my home. That is the beauty of San FranciscoJul 12 07:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] I love the cool city of St. Francis, the kind saintJul 12 07:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] San Francisco is the city of eternal Autumn, my favorite seasonJul 12 07:04
DaemonFCwhy exactly am I supposed to report bad behavior in Wine to Ubuntu?Jul 12 07:05
MinceRwell, there's at least one app the maintainers of which refer you to your distro first so that distro-specific issues and patches can be consideredJul 12 07:09
MinceRand they'll pass it upstream if neededJul 12 07:09
MinceRnot sure if wine works like thatJul 12 07:10
MinceRbut you know how ubuntu patches their stuffJul 12 07:10
DaemonFCuhh, yesJul 12 07:20
DaemonFChmmmJul 12 07:20
DaemonFCOpera is slower on Linux than WindowsJul 12 07:20
DaemonFCbut then again, so is FirefoxJul 12 07:20
DaemonFCoh wellJul 12 07:20
tessierhttp://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Jul-07.htmlJul 12 07:23
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DaemonFCI wonder if Chrome bothers optimizing for Linux muchJul 12 07:25
tessierhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/08/microsoft_virtual_page_turn_patent/Jul 12 07:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft seeks patent on ebook page flip • The Register .::. Size~: 29.3 KBJul 12 07:25
MinceRunsureJul 12 07:27
MinceRon one hand, they originally coded it specifically for winblowsJul 12 07:27
MinceRon the other hand, chrome os is not winblowsJul 12 07:27
DaemonFCMinceR: According to Peacekeeper, Firefox and Opera lag behind their Windows counterpartsJul 12 07:39
DaemonFCbut Chrome performs jsut as wellJul 12 07:39
DaemonFCso it seems that Chrome is the only major browser optimized for LinuxJul 12 07:40
DaemonFChmmm, Firefox is a lot slower on LinuxJul 12 07:44
DaemonFCover a third slowerJul 12 07:44
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DaemonFCinterestingJul 12 07:57
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DaemonFCMinefield on Linux is equally fast as Minefield on WindowsJul 12 07:58
DaemonFCbut Firefox 3.x on Linux is way slower than on WindowsJul 12 07:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] KDE e.V. Quarterly Reports Relaunched - http://bit.ly/cg6mgs lots of activity #kdeJul 12 08:02
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DaemonFCodd that Mozilla is only now starting to care if their Linux version is fast or notJul 12 08:04
DaemonFCFirefox has suffered from years of neglectJul 12 08:06
DaemonFCseems liek version 4 is lipstick on the pigJul 12 08:06
tessierhttp://slushdot.com/article.php?story=20100711150240520Jul 12 08:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Kevin McBride leaks some of the SCO code comparison documents - slushdot .::. Size~: 40.82 KBJul 12 08:30
tessierschestowitz: Check that out. Crazy. You can't implement a compatible software stack without using the same symbols and values.Jul 12 08:30
tessierHardly copy and pasting or stealing code.Jul 12 08:30
schestowitzHeh. Barbara...Jul 12 08:31
schestowitzI corresponded with her recently...Jul 12 08:31
schestowitzhttp://www.mcbride-law.com/2010/07/09/lanham-act-claims-extend-to-false-statements-by-implication-and-innuendo/Jul 12 08:32
TechrightsBotTitle:   Lanham Act Claims Extend to False Statements by Implication and Innuendo | McBride Law, PC .::. Size~: 80.84 KBJul 12 08:32
schestowitzI seem to have missed this whole story (need to catch up with Groklaw)Jul 12 08:33
DaemonFCWho cares about SCO?Jul 12 08:41
DaemonFCThey're done forJul 12 08:41
DaemonFCthere are so many rulings against them from so many courts that they're wasting more money at this point every time they appealJul 12 08:42
DaemonFCThey'd be better off by firing their CEO, issuing a public apology for being such assholesJul 12 08:43
DaemonFCthen possibly becoming a Linux company themselvesJul 12 08:43
DaemonFCschestowitz: SwiftFox overwrites your Firefox installation completelyJul 12 08:47
DaemonFCit does not just install side by side and update alternativesJul 12 08:47
DaemonFCickkthJul 12 08:47
DaemonFCoh dammit, nevermindJul 12 08:49
DaemonFCit had actually stayed running as a zombie and was causing new Firefox windows to be swiftfoxJul 12 08:49
*DaemonFC doesn't understand why the executable has to be named FirefoxJul 12 08:50
DaemonFCOpera for Linux is interestingJul 12 08:52
DaemonFCthe text parsing part of the benchmark is way faster than WindowsJul 12 08:52
DaemonFCbut every other score is much lowerJul 12 08:52
MinceRDaemonFC: have you tried Konqueror?Jul 12 08:52
DaemonFCdon't have itJul 12 08:52
DaemonFCnot going to klutter my GNOME system to get itJul 12 08:52
MinceRalso, if FF 4.x is slower on GNU/Linux than it used to be then that's hardly lipstickJul 12 08:53
MinceR094808 < DaemonFC> not going to klutter my GNOME system to get itJul 12 08:53
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MinceRyet you make sweeping proclamationsJul 12 08:53
DaemonFCno, Firefox 4 nightlies on Linux and Windows tieJul 12 08:53
DaemonFCbut Firefox 3.6 is way slower on Linux than 3.6 on WindowsJul 12 08:53
DaemonFCI meant to say that maybe they're cleaning it up a little?Jul 12 08:54
DaemonFCbut still overall it has nothing on Chrome or OperaJul 12 08:54
DaemonFCThe following NEW packages will be installed:Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  dolphin exiv2 gdebi-kde install-package kdebase-bin kdebase-dataJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-dataJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  kdepimlibs-data kdepimlibs5 kdesudo kfind konqueror konqueror-nspluginsJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  kpackagekit kubuntu-debug-installer libakonadiprivate1 libattica0Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libboost-program-options1.40.0 libclucene0ldbl libdbusmenu-qt2 libexiv2-6Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libiodbc2 libkonq5 libkonq5-templates libkonqsidebarplugin4 libmysqlclient16Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libpackagekit-glib2-12 libpackagekit-qt-12 libphonon4 libplasma3Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libpolkit-qt-1-0 libqca2 libqt4-assistant libqt4-dbus libqt4-designerJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libqt4-help libqt4-network libqt4-opengl libqt4-qt3support libqt4-scriptJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libqt4-scripttools libqt4-sql libqt4-sql-mysql libqt4-svg libqt4-testJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libqt4-webkit libqt4-xml libqt4-xmlpatterns libsoprano4 libssh-4Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libstreamanalyzer0 libstreams0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-xv0 libxine1Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  libxine1-bin libxine1-console libxine1-misc-plugins libxine1-x mysql-commonJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  oxygen-icon-theme packagekit packagekit-backend-apt phononJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  phonon-backend-xine plasma-scriptengine-javascript polkit-kde-1 python-kde4Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  python-packagekit python-qt4 python-sip shared-desktop-ontologiesJul 12 08:55
MinceRstop floodingJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  software-properties-kde soprano-daemon ttf-dejavu ttf-dejavu-extraJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC  update-manager-kde virtuoso-nepomukJul 12 08:55
DaemonFC0 upgraded, 83 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFCNeed to get 78.9MB of archives.Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFCAfter this operation, 279MB of additional disk space will be used.Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFCDo you want to continue [Y/n]?Jul 12 08:55
DaemonFCheheJul 12 08:55
DaemonFCKonqueror is so lightweightJul 12 08:55
MinceRnobody cares how deficient your gnome system isJul 12 08:55
DaemonFCit fell out of the KDE dependency tree and hit every branch on the way down :PJul 12 08:55
MinceRand FF does indeed have something on other browsersJul 12 08:56
MinceRextensions, flexibilityJul 12 08:56
DaemonFCChrome has extensionsJul 12 08:56
DaemonFCit is also about three times faster than FirefoxJul 12 08:56
MinceRdoes it have NoScript and RefControl?Jul 12 08:57
MinceRdoes it have Taboo?Jul 12 08:57
DaemonFCFirefox 3.6.3 X86-64 (as supplied by Ubuntu): 2341 / Firefox 3.6.3 32-bit as provided by Mozilla: 2842 / Minefield for 7-12 X86-64: 3783Jul 12 08:58
DaemonFCChrome 6.0.458.1 X86-64 from Google: 8368 Jul 12 08:58
DaemonFCso Firefox is not only slower on Linux anyway, Ubuntu's build is even slower than the official oneJul 12 08:59
DaemonFCFirefox 3.6.6 got 3453 on Windows 7Jul 12 09:01
DaemonFCChrome is the only major browser where the Linux build is a match for the Windows buildJul 12 09:01
tessierhttp://www.mcbride-law.com/2010/07/09/lanham-act-claims-extend-to-false-statements-by-implication-and-innuendo/#printpreviewJul 12 09:02
TechrightsBotTitle:   Lanham Act Claims Extend to False Statements by Implication and Innuendo | McBride Law, PC .::. Size~: 80.84 KBJul 12 09:02
tessierWow.Jul 12 09:02
DaemonFCFirefox is a Windows program that happens to have a defective Linux portJul 12 09:02
tessierschestowitz: That's good reading too. Amazig.Jul 12 09:02
DaemonFCwould be my way of describing itJul 12 09:02
MinceRalso, FF has proper font rendering, while Chrome fucks it up because freetype is NIHJul 12 09:03
DaemonFCThere's a Debian developer that ended up having to fix a lot of Firefox code that was written for Windows and broke badly on Linux that came to the same conclusionJul 12 09:03
DaemonFCin fact, the add-ons GUI was what he was talking about I believeJul 12 09:03
MinceRbut the world could certainly use a web browser that doesn't suck. someone should write one.Jul 12 09:03
DaemonFCthen Firefox attacked Debian for making it works somewhat properly on LinuxJul 12 09:03
DaemonFC*workJul 12 09:04
DaemonFCI'm not surprised Ubuntu is ditching Firefox on their leaner spinsJul 12 09:04
DaemonFCLubuntu and Ubuntu Netbook RemixJul 12 09:04
DaemonFCChromium will probably do quite well thereJul 12 09:04
MinceRexcept for font renderingJul 12 09:04
MinceRor script whitelistingJul 12 09:04
DaemonFCif Firefox is this bad on a newish CPU (mine) Jul 12 09:04
MinceRor configurable referer blockingJul 12 09:04
DaemonFCimagine how much it must suck on old systemsJul 12 09:05
DaemonFCor netbooksJul 12 09:05
MinceRit works fine on my netbookJul 12 09:05
DaemonFCFirefox on Linux is slower than the IE 9 previewJul 12 09:05
DaemonFCheheJul 12 09:05
MinceRwiatJul 12 09:05
MinceRwaitJul 12 09:05
DaemonFCI do commonly refer to Firefox as the IE for LinuxJul 12 09:05
MinceRthe IE 9 preview runs on linux?Jul 12 09:05
DaemonFCeverything needs it, can't get rid of itJul 12 09:05
DaemonFCperforms badly, sucks up resources, has tons of security bugsJul 12 09:06
DaemonFCMinceR: No, identical system, but IE 9 Preview 3 on Windows 7 is faster than Firefox 3.6.3 on LinuxJul 12 09:06
MinceRwhy not compare it to FF4?Jul 12 09:06
DaemonFCFirefox is firebombingJul 12 09:06
DaemonFCwell, if you want to compare it to Firefox 4, then yeah, Firefox 4 compares favorably to IE 9Jul 12 09:07
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 09:07
DaemonFCbut what doesn't?Jul 12 09:07
DaemonFCIE 8?Jul 12 09:07
MinceRi mean, you're bringing up a version of IE that isn't even out yetJul 12 09:08
MinceRas usual, turning reality out of its asshole to prove a point that's wrongJul 12 09:08
DaemonFCit's like IE is the low anchor for any proper benchmark testJul 12 09:08
MinceRIE isn't even in the categoryJul 12 09:08
DaemonFCto say that something beats IE is saying that it's something that's not IEJul 12 09:08
DaemonFCB-)Jul 12 09:08
MinceRit's not a web browser, it's a backdoor with a GUIJul 12 09:08
DaemonFCI would say IE is good for your low anchor and Chrome's development branch is going to be your high anchorJul 12 09:09
DaemonFCIE had to go back to Firefox 2.0 to find a version of Firefox that IE 8 managed to outrunJul 12 09:10
DaemonFCby just a tad :PJul 12 09:10
DaemonFCMinceR: IE 8 is just like Steve Ballmer if you think about itJul 12 09:11
DaemonFCold, fat, and covered in sweatJul 12 09:11
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 09:11
DaemonFCThat's pretty bad when I had to go back over 4 years to find something that IE 8 could outrun, and even then Firefox 2 had quite a few things going for it that IE 8 still doesn't haveJul 12 09:12
DaemonFCSVG support, extensions, etc.Jul 12 09:13
DaemonFCso I wouldn't even say I would use IE 8 even if Firefox 2 was the only other choiceJul 12 09:13
DaemonFCMinceR: Oddly enough, Opera has everything built-in that I would get a Firefox extension forJul 12 09:14
DaemonFCadblock, built-inJul 12 09:14
DaemonFCIRC, built inJul 12 09:14
DaemonFCemail, built-in (no need for Thunderbird)Jul 12 09:14
DaemonFCI think extensions are kind of gimmicky and open up a huge potential for abuseJul 12 09:15
DaemonFCthere's only like 3-4 of them that add anything practical to FirefoxJul 12 09:15
DaemonFCMinceR: malicious extensions have been floating around as long as browsers have supported extensionsJul 12 09:17
DaemonFCthey're a liability that enable cross platform malware, I thinkJul 12 09:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Srebrenica: ten years on - http://bit.ly/9vEaNt lest we forget #srebrenica #bosniaJul 12 09:17
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DaemonFCMinceR: Let's say somehow I snagged the Adblock Plus website out of the blue one day somehowJul 12 09:18
DaemonFCand I managed to load a malicious extension that says it is Adblock PlusJul 12 09:18
DaemonFCwould Firefox scream at the user not to install it?Jul 12 09:18
MinceRDaemonFC: guess what, other users have greater needs than youJul 12 09:19
MinceRif you want to use a web browser that has no extensions support, go ahead and shut upJul 12 09:19
DaemonFCwell, when so many users want ad blocking, why not build it into the browser?Jul 12 09:19
DaemonFCFirefox has to appease advertisersJul 12 09:19
MinceRor we'll just call you stupid for not using links2 -gJul 12 09:19
MinceReven though it's faster than chromeJul 12 09:20
DaemonFCthis way they can say "We don't support thatJul 12 09:20
MinceRABP happens to be better than most other ad blocking support in browsersJul 12 09:20
DaemonFCOpera's is fineJul 12 09:20
DaemonFCmaking filter rules is as easy as making them for Adblock PlusJul 12 09:21
MinceRcan opera's fetch blacklists from external sources?Jul 12 09:21
DaemonFCyou mean auto-update the list?Jul 12 09:21
DaemonFCno it doesn'tJul 12 09:21
DaemonFCit's not like you have to do that often anywayJul 12 09:21
MinceRdoes opera say "we don't support that"? :>Jul 12 09:21
DaemonFCwell, they wouldn't build in an ad blocker and then not support itJul 12 09:22
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFCthat would be coutnerproductiveJul 12 09:22
MinceRlet me get this straightJul 12 09:22
DaemonFCthey call attention to the fact that you can block annoying and offensive crap with iutJul 12 09:22
DaemonFC*itJul 12 09:22
DaemonFCso I would say that's an endorsementJul 12 09:22
MinceRyou insist on flaming FF's ad blocking support, citing a browser that has a worse one built in?Jul 12 09:22
MinceRplease put brain in gear before engaging mouth/fingers.Jul 12 09:22
DaemonFCFirefox has no ad blocking supportJul 12 09:22
DaemonFCyou have to bolt it on after the factJul 12 09:22
MinceRan extension is not "bolting it on"Jul 12 09:23
DaemonFCthen they won't support you if it causes bugsJul 12 09:23
MinceRit's the feature you've been flaming for the past minutesJul 12 09:23
MinceRguess what, the developers of the extension will support it insteadJul 12 09:23
DaemonFC"Hey, go yell at that other guy"Jul 12 09:23
DaemonFCthat's funJul 12 09:23
DaemonFC"We don't support that, it may crash Firefox and we don't support that"Jul 12 09:24
MinceRwell, if you hate having to "go yell at that other guy", use winblows and IE... and shut upJul 12 09:24
DaemonFC"Extensions can mutilate Firefox and we won't help you"Jul 12 09:24
MinceR...except toolbars installed by malware will still not be "supported"Jul 12 09:24
MinceRso actually IE won't help you eitherJul 12 09:24
DaemonFCFirefox supports malware toolbarsJul 12 09:24
MinceRand?Jul 12 09:24
DaemonFCa lot of them get stuffed in by third party softwareJul 12 09:24
DaemonFCand Windows UpdateJul 12 09:24
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 09:24
MinceRwe're all waiting for the conclusionJul 12 09:25
DaemonFCthey have a blacklistJul 12 09:25
DaemonFCwhy are they allowing Firefox to be polluted?Jul 12 09:25
MinceRof course, if letting arbitrary code be installed by the user is a Bad Thing in general, there's something for that tooJul 12 09:25
MinceRit's called hypePadJul 12 09:25
DaemonFCnoJul 12 09:25
DaemonFCI mean blacklist crap that's installed into Firefox without user interventionJul 12 09:26
DaemonFCusing their bad plug-ins blacklistJul 12 09:26
MinceRotherwise you could just avoid winblows and mind what you're installingJul 12 09:26
DaemonFCat this point, they're practically in collusion with MicrosoftJul 12 09:26
DaemonFCsince they aren't lifting a finger to stop themJul 12 09:26
MinceRhere's your tinfoil hatJul 12 09:26
DaemonFCIf I was Mozilla, I'd blacklist anything that Microsoft was trying to shove in without user permissionJul 12 09:27
DaemonFCto protect my usersJul 12 09:27
DaemonFCbut they're probably getting paid to not do anything about thatJul 12 09:27
MinceRthat's a good idea, but it won't stop thereJul 12 09:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open data on Russian government spending - http://bit.ly/cJIf7f amazing how this idea is spreading #ogov #transparency #russiaJul 12 09:27
MinceRm$ will keep changing the identifiers that are blacklistedJul 12 09:27
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MinceRperhaps they have better things to worry about?Jul 12 09:28
DaemonFCso why not have some kind of signing keys?Jul 12 09:28
DaemonFCsigning keys can be revokedJul 12 09:28
MinceRmandatory signing for plugins? no thanksJul 12 09:28
DaemonFCand kill off everything the bad developer has put out thereJul 12 09:28
MinceRmandatory app signing was stupid enoughJul 12 09:28
MinceRif you disagree, go use symbianJul 12 09:28
DaemonFCMinceR: Or here's an ideaJul 12 09:28
DaemonFCdon't load anything the user didn't installJul 12 09:28
DaemonFCfrom within the browserJul 12 09:29
MinceRactually every stupid idea you can come up with has already implemented somewhere :>Jul 12 09:29
MinceRand how do you tell the user didn't install it?Jul 12 09:29
DaemonFCthe crap Microsoft is sneaking in was not requestedJul 12 09:29
MinceRstore on disk which ones they did?Jul 12 09:29
DaemonFCuse NTFS alternate data streamsJul 12 09:29
MinceRguess what, m$ can write into those filesJul 12 09:29
DaemonFCto mark where it came fromJul 12 09:29
MinceRyeah, because m$ stuff can't write NTFS alternate data streamsJul 12 09:29
MinceRoh, waitJul 12 09:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at Hendon Central Station (Hendon, London). http://4sq.com/9ooxQCJul 12 09:29
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DaemonFCFirefox could generate something randomly that only it can verifyJul 12 09:30
DaemonFCas it writes the extension to the diskJul 12 09:30
MinceRget a clue, you're basically waging a war with the SYSTEM user on your winblows hostJul 12 09:30
MinceRyou can't winJul 12 09:30
MinceRfirefox needs to store the information it needs to verify thatJul 12 09:30
DaemonFCthat way if an extension shows up that Firefox didn't put there, it gets deletedJul 12 09:30
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 09:30
MinceRand if it can retrieve that, so can othersJul 12 09:30
DaemonFCsimple huh?Jul 12 09:30
MinceRif firefox can sign something, so can someone elseJul 12 09:30
MinceRyes, simple and ineffectiveJul 12 09:31
DaemonFCit also raises a scandal if Microsoft circumvents that to continue to foist unwanted softwareJul 12 09:31
DaemonFCmaybe even material for a lawsuitJul 12 09:31
MinceRm$ is already well known to foist unwanted softwareJul 12 09:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux - http://bit.ly/9h2nEO strange they waited until now #sco #linuxJul 12 09:31
DaemonFC"If the user wanted it, they could have gone to Microsoft.com and installed it themselvesJul 12 09:31
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DaemonFC:)Jul 12 09:31
MinceRthe zombies using m$ products still don't careJul 12 09:32
MinceRsame with crAppleJul 12 09:32
MinceRpeople are more stupid than you can imagineJul 12 09:32
DaemonFCI think there has to be a way to stop or at least hinder drive by foistwareJul 12 09:32
DaemonFCand Mozilla is just being complacentJul 12 09:33
DaemonFCif Mozilla cared about their own reputation, they would fight them on the beachesJul 12 09:33
DaemonFCinstead of bending over and taking itJul 12 09:33
DaemonFCdrive by download that crashes Firefox and causes security holes?Jul 12 09:34
DaemonFCMozilla says "Meh" and shrugsJul 12 09:34
DaemonFCthat shows you they care I guessJul 12 09:34
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DaemonFCI think they need to take the gloves off and stop this behavior right nowJul 12 09:35
DaemonFCit's unacceptable to let it continueJul 12 09:35
DaemonFCMinceR: I suppose I'd say it like thisJul 12 09:36
DaemonFCYou work hard to keep your property maintainedJul 12 09:36
MinceRthere's no way to hinder foistware that's built into the OS and has SYSTEM privilegesJul 12 09:36
DaemonFCyou have the nicest house on the neighborhood and worked to get it thereJul 12 09:36
DaemonFCthen some asshole comes by and dumps garbage in your lawnJul 12 09:37
MinceRthe user can't trust winblows and the only way to fix the problem is by ditching winblowsJul 12 09:37
DaemonFCso you shake your fist and call them some filthy names and get rid of the garbageJul 12 09:37
MinceRyour analogy failsJul 12 09:37
DaemonFCbut the next time they do it, you give up and leave it thereJul 12 09:37
DaemonFCand they come by every day and toss in more garbageJul 12 09:37
DaemonFCgrow a pair and kick their ass alreadyJul 12 09:37
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 09:37
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MinceR"grow a pair and kick their ass" == upgrade to gnu/linuxJul 12 09:38
DaemonFCget rid of their garbage and sue themJul 12 09:38
DaemonFCis what I would doJul 12 09:38
MinceRthat way m$ will no longer have the privileges to install anything on your boxJul 12 09:38
MinceRit's that simpleJul 12 09:38
DaemonFCthey need to get rid of Microsoft's garbageJul 12 09:38
MinceRwell, maybe mozilla could sue them, but i doubt much will come of thatJul 12 09:38
DaemonFCthen sue themJul 12 09:38
MinceRcould be worth a tryJul 12 09:38
DaemonFCI wouldJul 12 09:39
DaemonFCI think they have a caseJul 12 09:39
DaemonFCMicrosoft is interfering with their reputationJul 12 09:39
MinceRperhaps it hasn't happened to mozilla yetJul 12 09:39
MinceRcould be worth asking :>Jul 12 09:39
DaemonFCMinceR: A bug in Microsoft's extension can open the user up to crashes and security vulnerabilitiesJul 12 09:39
DaemonFCyou didn't put the extension thereJul 12 09:39
DaemonFCthe user never asked for itJul 12 09:40
DaemonFCI think they have a case to sueJul 12 09:40
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 09:40
DaemonFCcall it "brand defacement" Jul 12 09:40
MinceRof course the most that will come of it legally would be a slap on the wristJul 12 09:41
MinceRbut at least it generates publicityJul 12 09:41
DaemonFCI'd compare it in court to someone spraying grafitti all over the side of my houseJul 12 09:41
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MinceRand you have yet another lost legal case you can show to the m$ apologistsJul 12 09:41
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DaemonFCMinceR: In that case I'd make some bad plug-ins that crashed IEJul 12 09:41
DaemonFCand refer to the lawsuit as grounds for it being acceptableJul 12 09:41
DaemonFC\:)Jul 12 09:41
MinceRbut how would you foist it on users?Jul 12 09:42
DaemonFCit's Windows isn't it?Jul 12 09:42
MinceRalso, my point is that mozilla would win the lawsuit but they wouldn't punish m$ significantlyJul 12 09:42
DaemonFCthey could get an injunctionJul 12 09:42
MinceRsure it's winblows, but you don't control winblows update, m$ doesJul 12 09:42
DaemonFCand probably a pile of cashJul 12 09:42
DaemonFCit's worth pursuingJul 12 09:42
MinceRand you don't control the dependencies (.net and the like) m$ foists on users and developersJul 12 09:42
MinceRplus even if you bundled it with something you released, you can be certain that the m$ fanboys would be the first ones to flame you about itJul 12 09:43
MinceRm$ is a religionJul 12 09:43
MinceRbut at least the lawsuit could help advertise the fact that m$ compromises your system to the half-educated usersJul 12 09:44
MinceRwho have a shot at understanding what the threat isJul 12 09:45
DaemonFCyeahJul 12 09:45
DaemonFCthe effort to return on investment ratio in filing a lawsuit is favorable to MozillaJul 12 09:45
DaemonFCOpera on Linux has gotten a lot betterJul 12 09:48
DaemonFCit integrates wellJul 12 09:48
DaemonFCno more bad performance, random screwups, not wanting to open the right program to handle a download, etc.Jul 12 09:49
MinceRwhat about random crashes?Jul 12 09:49
MinceRon loading pages that opera doesn't happen to like, that isJul 12 09:49
DaemonFChaven't had it happen yetJul 12 09:50
MinceRwhoa, winblows doesn't only fail at redrawing the contents of MSVCRT windowsJul 12 10:00
MinceRit also fails at redrawing title barsJul 12 10:00
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DaemonFCI found a Sonar theme for Ubuntu :)Jul 12 10:02
DaemonFChmmmmJul 12 10:09
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DaemonFCI think I found my themeJul 12 10:14
DaemonFC:DJul 12 10:14
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DaemonFCOK, I'm happy with this systemJul 12 10:19
DaemonFCFGLRX was really the only spoiler that was keeping me on WindowsJul 12 10:19
MinceRopenslowlaris? :>Jul 12 10:21
DaemonFCbanshee-extension-ubuntuonemusicstoreJul 12 10:21
DaemonFCThis extension makes the Ubuntu One Music Store available in Banshee.Jul 12 10:21
DaemonFCBanshee is a media management and playback application for the GNOME desktop.Jul 12 10:21
DaemonFCjoyJul 12 10:21
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MinceRaccording to opensuse, banshee is proprietary :>Jul 12 10:21
MinceRhttp://sathyasays.com/2010/07/10/opensuses-software-manager-lists-mono-apps-under-proprietary-applications-pattern/Jul 12 10:22
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DaemonFCMinceR: It's still under LGPL and MIT X11 licensesJul 12 10:22
DaemonFCso I fail to see howJul 12 10:22
DaemonFCit may infringe patents and rely on Mono, but it's not "proprietary"Jul 12 10:23
DaemonFCthey could probably protect the Banshee copyrightJul 12 10:23
DaemonFCbut you could just call yours something elseJul 12 10:23
DaemonFClike the ICeweasel dealJul 12 10:23
DaemonFC*IceweaselJul 12 10:23
DaemonFCbrbJul 12 10:25
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MinceRDaemonFC: because of the software patent issueJul 12 10:25
*DaemonFC pulled Compiz 0.8.6 out of their PPAJul 12 10:26
MinceRthey aren't adequately licensed to usersJul 12 10:26
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 10:26
DaemonFCyeah, it's not proprietary thoughJul 12 10:26
DaemonFCif you live in a country that doesn't recognize software patents and change the name, I doubt they could do anything to you at allJul 12 10:26
MinceRopensuse probably doesn't have a separate category for "non-free, patent-encumbered open source sw"Jul 12 10:27
DaemonFCwhoaJul 12 10:27
DaemonFCCompiz is being rewrittenJul 12 10:27
DaemonFCin C++?Jul 12 10:27
MinceRit could certainly use being rewrittenJul 12 10:27
DaemonFCMinceR: It's free software as far as the code goesJul 12 10:27
MinceRiirc compiz++ will also work without compositing (like kwin)Jul 12 10:27
DaemonFCpatents are another storyJul 12 10:27
MinceRDaemonFC: free software isn't about the code, it's about the freedoms its users haveJul 12 10:28
MinceRand those patents take that away, legallyJul 12 10:28
DaemonFCwell, in countries withotu software patents, Banshee is FOSSJul 12 10:28
DaemonFCby your definitionJul 12 10:28
MinceRbtw, i'm not really sure if it's even open sourceJul 12 10:29
MinceRDaemonFC: Free Software doesn't allow restrictions based on where the user happens to beJul 12 10:29
DaemonFCwhy is that?Jul 12 10:29
DaemonFCyou can build the same thing out of the code they provideJul 12 10:29
MinceRbecause even the OSD might require the rights that are not providedJul 12 10:29
DaemonFCthe code they provide is MIT and LGPL licenseJul 12 10:29
DaemonFCit qualifies as FOSSJul 12 10:29
DaemonFCwell, they can't give the code to you under the terms of MIT or FOSS and then claim that you can't use the rights they gave you when handing you the codeJul 12 10:30
MinceRthe OSD says nothing about the copyright license itself qualifying as FOSS being sufficient, afaictJul 12 10:30
DaemonFC*or LGPL FOSSJul 12 10:30
DaemonFCMinceR: Then Firefox is not FOSSJul 12 10:30
DaemonFCcause you have to change the name to avoid their copyrightsJul 12 10:30
DaemonFCor else their legal dept will go after youJul 12 10:31
MinceRchanging trademarks and deviating from the "standards" are two entirely different thingsJul 12 10:31
MinceRthough it might be that the Debian guys actually consider FF nonfree :>Jul 12 10:32
MinceRexactly because of what you mentionedJul 12 10:32
MinceRbut at least they could make a free version out of itJul 12 10:32
MinceRyou can't do that to bansheeJul 12 10:32
MinceRin fact, mozilla provides a free branding with the source codeJul 12 10:33
MinceRit's kind of painful to make it compile as "Firefox"Jul 12 10:33
*MinceR did it once on DebianJul 12 10:33
DaemonFCI don't really much care what it calls itselfJul 12 10:33
DaemonFCit's really the same programJul 12 10:33
DaemonFCit provides you with the same featuresJul 12 10:33
MinceRthen why are arguing that it's non-free because you can't use the Firefox trademark on modified versions?Jul 12 10:34
DaemonFCcause if you rename Banshee it's the same programJul 12 10:34
DaemonFCso it's as free as FirefoxJul 12 10:34
MinceRif you rename Banshee, you still don't have a patent license for itJul 12 10:35
MinceRso it's not as free as FirefoxJul 12 10:35
MinceRnot having a patent license makes you unable to legally use the softwareJul 12 10:35
MinceRnot having a trademark license does notJul 12 10:35
DaemonFCyou're still not listeningJul 12 10:39
MinceRi'm listening but you're not making senseJul 12 10:39
DaemonFCthe code is freeJul 12 10:39
MinceRthe code is not free if you are not allowed to use itJul 12 10:40
MinceR"shared source" is not "open source" or free softwareJul 12 10:40
DaemonFCthere's no proprietary code in Banshee thoughJul 12 10:40
DaemonFChow does MIT license = shared source?Jul 12 10:43
DaemonFCI'm not following youJul 12 10:43
DaemonFCis LGPL shared source?Jul 12 10:43
DaemonFCwhere is the code you're not allowed to use?Jul 12 10:43
MinceRthe mono runtime and whatever depends on it?Jul 12 10:43
DaemonFCthere's a difference in giving you a license to use the code and a patent licenseJul 12 10:43
DaemonFCthe MIT license makes it FOSSJul 12 10:44
DaemonFCpatent license says they can still sue youJul 12 10:44
MinceRalso, it can't be LGPLv3 and the only reason it can be LGPLv2 is that they circumvented the language about patent licenses with a trickJul 12 10:44
DaemonFCof course someone else can argue they have a patent on any program Jul 12 10:44
DaemonFCand sue anyoneJul 12 10:44
DaemonFCat any momentJul 12 10:44
DaemonFCso you're not making a hell of a lot of senseJul 12 10:44
MinceRoh, then stealing the source code of winblows makes it FLOSSJul 12 10:44
MinceRcopyright license says they can still sue youJul 12 10:44
DaemonFCno, there's a difference Jul 12 10:45
DaemonFCyou don't want to acknowledge that Banshee and Mono are indeed FOSSJul 12 10:45
DaemonFCbut probably infringe patentsJul 12 10:45
DaemonFCthey are patent infringing FOSSJul 12 10:45
MinceRi don't want to acknowledge something that isn't trueJul 12 10:45
MinceRoh wowJul 12 10:45
DaemonFCif you compile Gstreamer MP3 support you have patent infringing FOSSJul 12 10:45
DaemonFCno differentJul 12 10:45
DaemonFCno different at allJul 12 10:45
MinceRnotice that the FSD says nothing about patent issues being exemptJul 12 10:46
MinceRsoftware patents infringe on your freedom just as much as non-FLOSS copyright licensesJul 12 10:46
DaemonFCso Gstreamer plugins are not FOSS?Jul 12 10:46
MinceRand just as much as not having access to the code at allJul 12 10:46
DaemonFCGstreamer plug-ins aren't FOSSJul 12 10:46
DaemonFCneither is FirefoxJul 12 10:46
MinceRthe only thing that plugin lets you do is use MP3Jul 12 10:47
DaemonFCif you're going to bring in patent and  copyright laws into this to win your argument, you've lostJul 12 10:47
MinceRin the case of Banshee, the entire app depends on patents you might be unable to useJul 12 10:47
DaemonFCyou're trying to confuse the terms the same as the Intellectual Property peopleJul 12 10:47
MinceRyou're trying to ignore software patent issues to misrepresent the status of monoJul 12 10:47
MinceRjust like the mono apologist peopleJul 12 10:48
DaemonFCif I use the code in Europe, where the patent laws don't apply, what is it there?Jul 12 10:48
DaemonFCis it FOSS in Europe?Jul 12 10:48
MinceRafaik the EPO actually did let some sw patents to be registeredJul 12 10:48
DaemonFCjust because FOSS runs afoul of patents does not make it proprietary Jul 12 10:48
MinceRbecause they're corrupt and/or incompetentJul 12 10:48
MinceRjust because proprietary software runs afoul of copyright does not make it proprietary?Jul 12 10:49
DaemonFCyou're the one confusing US law with the entire worldJul 12 10:49
DaemonFCin this caseJul 12 10:49
DaemonFCthe software license makes the software FOSSJul 12 10:49
MinceRthe USA is not the only place where software patents apply and/or existJul 12 10:49
DaemonFCnot whether it violates patents somewhereJul 12 10:49
DaemonFCwhich it might or might notJul 12 10:49
MinceRand by the way, MP3 codecs do tend to be in separate repos because of sw patent issuesJul 12 10:50
MinceRjust like monoJul 12 10:50
DaemonFCthe Gstreamer plug-ins I use to play MP3 files with are not proprietaryJul 12 10:50
DaemonFCthey're patent infringing FOSSJul 12 10:50
DaemonFCyeah, LAME is not proprietary softwareJul 12 10:50
DaemonFCit's patent-infringing FOSSJul 12 10:50
MinceRit's more likely to be nonfree patent-infringing open source softwareJul 12 10:51
DaemonFCdistributing Mono and LAME has you in the same boatJul 12 10:51
DaemonFCthey're both FOSS< but someone has patents on them and may sue you for itJul 12 10:51
MinceRexcept of course that a dependency on mono is a lot more severeJul 12 10:51
DaemonFCthe fact that they can still sue you over patent infringement after licensing their code under a permissive license is what gets meJul 12 10:52
DaemonFCa judge should see right through thatJul 12 10:52
DaemonFC"Why did you give it to them and tell them to use it if they aren't supposed to use it?"Jul 12 10:52
DaemonFCin this case, Mono is written by the people who have the patents and want to sueJul 12 10:53
MinceRjudges are rarely smart/just enough for thatJul 12 10:53
MinceRalmost neverJul 12 10:53
DaemonFCI could see a lawsuit involving LAMEJul 12 10:53
DaemonFCbut Mono should get laughed out of the court systemJul 12 10:53
MinceRbut so far it hasn'tJul 12 10:53
MinceRand you're forgetting that the court system is corrupt and incompetentJul 12 10:53
DaemonFCMinceR: IF I own the patents on the software I give you and tell you to use, I shouldn't be able to sue youJul 12 10:53
MinceRyes, but that's apparently not what laws in the USA sayJul 12 10:54
DaemonFCsuing someone over implementing something based on your patents that you never encouraged them to build is something elseJul 12 10:54
MinceRunsure about it in the EU due to the aforementioned EPO issueJul 12 10:54
DaemonFCLAME doesn't hold the patents on MP3Jul 12 10:54
DaemonFCthat's why I said I could take a lawsuit over LAME more seriouslyJul 12 10:55
MinceRif you lose a lawsuit over LAME, you only lose the ability to encode MP3Jul 12 10:55
MinceRif you lose a lawsuit over Mono and your desktop depends heavily on it then you lose the ability to use your desktop appsJul 12 10:55
MinceRLAME has no functionality other than letting you encode MP3, but Mono-dependent apps do offer functionality that's independent of Mono -- yet you can't use them without infringing on those patentsJul 12 10:56
DaemonFCI just don't get how a judge would get past YOU giving THEM the CODE that you are SUING them overJul 12 10:56
DaemonFCit makes no senseJul 12 10:56
DaemonFCit's like giving someone a TV set in front of thousands of witnessesJul 12 10:57
DaemonFCthen saying they stole your TVJul 12 10:57
DaemonFCand you didn't encourage them to take itJul 12 10:57
MinceRthey might still get you on technicalitiesJul 12 10:58
DaemonFCthe fact that Microsoft and Novell encouraged you to take Mono and use it should invalidate their patent infringement claimsJul 12 10:58
DaemonFCright thereJul 12 10:58
MinceRlike that you were supposed to use/modify it within the specs they've paid Ecma to publish, but not to eviate from themJul 12 10:58
MinceRs/evi/devi/Jul 12 10:59
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DaemonFCthe fact that Microsoft is now building Mono add-ons, licensing them under a free/permissive license WITH a patent grantJul 12 10:59
DaemonFCshows that they want people to take that codeJul 12 10:59
MinceRshould, but we don't know if it does until such a suit happens and is resolvedJul 12 10:59
DaemonFCthey can't take the code and use it without MonoJul 12 10:59
DaemonFCif I was the judge, I would find in favor of the defendants because Microsoft and Novell encouraged them to take itJul 12 10:59
DaemonFCbut I'm not a judgeJul 12 10:59
DaemonFC:(Jul 12 10:59
MinceRand m$ is actively FUDding about their mono patents, are they not?Jul 12 11:00
DaemonFCnow, if Microsoft and Novell didn't distribute Mono and someone made a .NET cloneJul 12 11:00
DaemonFCI would let the lawsuit proceedJul 12 11:00
DaemonFCyou can't just encourage someone to take your stuff then claim that they're entirely at fault for stealing itJul 12 11:01
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 11:01
MinceRactually iirc m$ only FUDded about moonlight patents yetJul 12 11:02
DaemonFCMinceR: The holder of the patent licenses the code representing their patent under a free/permissive license, they have given you a patent license in doing thatJul 12 11:07
DaemonFCwould be my interpretation of the lawJul 12 11:07
MinceRsadly, you're not in chargeJul 12 11:08
DaemonFCyepJul 12 11:08
DaemonFCMinceR: The world would be a better place if I wasJul 12 11:10
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 11:10
schestowitztessier: you have full control of the site's wordpress install/panel (I will be on and off in the coming days, so in case some abuser floods the site with spam comments we need a second admin)Jul 12 11:10
schestowitztessier: When Wordpress 3.0.1 is out I'll upgrade your site. Don't click on "WordPress 3.0 is available! Please update now." Basically, neither 2.x (current) nor 3.0 is vulnerable yet, so there is no incentive to move under 3.0.1 gets released.Jul 12 11:11
schestowitz /under/until/Jul 12 11:11
DaemonFCschestowitz: The new ATI 2D architecture is at least as good as Nvidia'sJul 12 11:11
MinceRDaemonFC: i'm not so sure about that, considering some of your earlier outputJul 12 11:11
DaemonFCI'm still nto quite over how it went from total garbage to thisJul 12 11:11
DaemonFCMinceR: What's wrong with shooting child molesters and giving patent licenses to people who were encouraged to take the code from the patent holders?Jul 12 11:12
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 11:12
MinceRthere was a lot more than thatJul 12 11:12
MinceRbblJul 12 11:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Copyright Madness - http://bit.ly/b7ymSx "to use a single line...record label's parent company demanded $150 for every 7,500 copies"Jul 12 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Report: Apple overtakes Microsoft as most vulnerable vendor - http://bit.ly/8Ys22p because MS users no longer perceived as worth hacking?Jul 12 11:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Chinese Coal Monster - http://bit.ly/93N9Ab bad news for the poor old atmostphere #china #coal #energyJul 12 11:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Libraries Worried About Potential Supreme Court Ruling Concerning Legality Of Selling Imported Omega Watches - http://bit.ly/9dEJEh madnessJul 12 11:14
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cube486a 10 sec delay between bot posts might be an ideaJul 12 11:15
cube486or even 5 secondsJul 12 11:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Choosing Whether To Go Open Source - http://bit.ly/cs6xdu good interview with CIO of the US National Institute of Food and AgricultureJul 12 11:23
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Indianapolis/Marion County switch from Windows to RHELJul 12 11:41
DaemonFCand from Access to "Peoplesoft"?Jul 12 11:42
DaemonFCwtf is that?Jul 12 11:42
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cubezzzXerox had some pretty amazing stuff back in 1981Jul 12 11:55
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cubezzz1024x809 17" display .... Jul 12 11:57
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cubezzzof course compare that to an Amiga 1000Jul 12 11:58
cubezzznot so great price-wiseJul 12 11:58
cubezzzA Rolls-Royce in an era of $2000 computersJul 12 11:59
cubezzzdefinitely a company worthy of studyJul 12 12:00
cubezzz"Many patent disclosures were in fact submitted for the innovations in the Star; however, at the time the 1975 Xerox Consent Decree, an FTC antitrust action, placed restrictions on what the company was able to patent"Jul 12 12:00
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cubezzzoldest still working computer:Jul 12 12:37
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferranti_PegasusJul 12 12:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Back on track. Congrats to ESP for the cup. Still sad that NED seems to be 2nd 4ever.Jul 12 12:38
cubezzz"The cabinet was built by Rolls Royce hence the car door handles."Jul 12 12:38
MinceRand it comes with a free clock appletJul 12 12:40
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DaemonFCThat one has cubezzz written all over itJul 12 12:59
DaemonFCa little new for him thoughJul 12 12:59
MinceRactually "cubezzz" doesn't appear on that page even once :>Jul 12 13:00
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DaemonFCand one for MinceR Jul 12 13:00
DaemonFCwith a 500 MB hard drive no lessJul 12 13:00
DaemonFC(Didn't know they still made those)Jul 12 13:00
MinceRyes, i'm totally in Southwest YankeestanJul 12 13:01
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DaemonFC$55? Has it been slightly crashed? :PJul 12 13:02
MinceRit's only a seagateJul 12 13:02
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DaemonFCahem, activation anyone?Jul 12 13:03
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MinceRthe word you're looking for is "crack"Jul 12 13:05
DaemonFCit's awesome Jul 12 13:05
DaemonFCBuy my hard drive with Windows 7 and I'll throw in the SLP bootloader at no additional chargeJul 12 13:06
DaemonFCB-)Jul 12 13:06
DaemonFCthe worst part about a CRT monitor/TV is when they fail and you have to dispose of themJul 12 13:10
DaemonFCthat's when you find a dumpster to throw it in when nobody is looking :)Jul 12 13:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] The coat and the pants do all the work, but the vest gets all the gravyJul 12 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] File-sharing, copyright and the digital consumer: http://bit.ly/bXFHYD typical: not a single voice representing the public #deact #copyrightJul 12 13:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Internet Kill Switch - http://bit.ly/cNeQVy bad idea, says Uncle Brucie: "would have all sorts of unforeseen ancillary effects" #netJul 12 14:00
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Why doesn't GamePark just run Android on their GP2X? It already runs !Linux http://u.nu/7qb6dJul 12 14:09
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Darl McBride's brother, Kevin, whos a lawyer, makes a fool of himself saying !Linux copied generic lines from UNIX http://u.nu/8rb6dJul 12 14:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] I am officially utterly addicted to the black little nuggets of licorice deliciousness http://twitpic.com/24nw4cJul 12 14:24
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Diablo-D3hey schestowitzJul 12 14:29
Diablo-D3identica apparently keeps statistics on your daily posting averageJul 12 14:29
Diablo-D3whats yours? :DJul 12 14:29
MinceRfinally i've found out why SWT has that non-native tab widgetJul 12 14:31
MinceRand that it's optional :)Jul 12 14:32
schestowitz[11:15] <cube486> a 10 sec delay between bot posts might be an ideaJul 12 14:37
schestowitzThe issue there was Twitter API lagJul 12 14:37
schestowitz[11:32] <TechrightsBot> Title: Compiz 0.9 Available; gains aero-snap like plug-in & total rewrite | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 65.27 KBJul 12 14:43
schestowitzkwin has had this since 4.4Jul 12 14:43
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schestowitz[11:41] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Indianapolis/Marion County switch from Windows to RHELJul 12 14:46
schestowitzoracleJul 12 14:46
schestowitzProprietary, like a lot of IBM'sJul 12 14:46
Aondowhat's the difference between old compiz snap and aero-snap? :PJul 12 14:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Placed under surveillance by order of Brussels - http://bit.ly/cdnBm2 & if corrupt foreign police threaten to finger you? (via @jmcesteves)Jul 12 14:50
Diablo-D3[09:26:32] <MinceR> finally i've found out why SWT has that non-native tab widgetJul 12 14:50
Diablo-D3[09:27:23] <MinceR> and that it's optional :)Jul 12 14:50
DaemonFCAondo, I've never seen a snap plugin for CompizJul 12 14:50
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Diablo-D3MinceR: yeah, they have a sane tab widget that only kicks in when the native toolkit cant handle thatJul 12 14:51
AondoDaemonFC  there are a coupleJul 12 14:51
Aondoincluded with ubuntu :)Jul 12 14:51
DaemonFCI'm still running into a couple problems with Ubuntu LucidJul 12 14:51
DaemonFCI'm pretty sure they are kernel issuesJul 12 14:51
MinceRactually apparently the native tab widget is for the cases which all toolkits can handle and for anything extra (like buttons on a tab) the custom one is neededJul 12 14:52
Diablo-D3MinceR: thats what I just said.Jul 12 14:52
DaemonFChard system lockups when running some things that shouldn't be able to lock up the system (but manage to anyway)Jul 12 14:52
MinceRit doesn't just "kick in", it's a different classJul 12 14:52
Diablo-D3MinceR: you sure? I swear it takes over when the native cant handle itJul 12 14:52
MinceRwell, i see CTabFolder and TabFolder on the webJul 12 14:53
schestowitz[13:10] <DaemonFC> the worst part about a CRT monitor/TV is when they fail and you have to dispose of themJul 12 14:53
schestowitz[13:11] <DaemonFC> that's when you find a dumpster to throw it in when nobody is looking :)Jul 12 14:53
schestowitzI did that yesterday :-)Jul 12 14:53
MinceRand i've seen Eclipse use the custom tab widget on GTK+, which can certainly handle buttons on itJul 12 14:53
MinceR(and even tab under the container, but Eclipse wasn't using that)Jul 12 14:53
DaemonFCI'm considering loading Maverick alpha 2Jul 12 14:54
MinceRi'm considering loading LennyJul 12 14:54
DaemonFCjust because I'm getting lock-ups on the "Stable" version anywayJul 12 14:54
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Spotify P2P Music Program Released For Linux http://cli.gs/jQAeu !fs !linux !floss !techrightsJul 12 14:54
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DaemonFCso what the hell?Jul 12 14:54
Diablo-D3MinceR: the gtk code isnt the best it can be, but I really dont mind the custom tab widgetJul 12 14:54
*Diablo-D3 uses eclipse daily, btwJul 12 14:54
Aondoi find that any instability issues is either with hardware, or graphic drivers ati/nvidia, anything else is just very unlikely :PJul 12 14:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Ian McDonald's amazing novel THE DERVISH HOUSE: Turkey's mystical nanotech future http://tinyurl.com/3y84ejhJul 12 14:55
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Well, moving from a hodgepodge of Microsoft software to RHEL with Oracle database is still betterJul 12 14:55
DaemonFCright?Jul 12 14:55
MinceRDiablo-D3: well, now that i know why it's there, i don't mind it eitherJul 12 14:55
MinceRup until now i was like "why didn't they like the native tab widget?"Jul 12 14:55
DaemonFCI doubt Microsoft is happy over losing a customer that bought licenses by the hundredsJul 12 14:55
DaemonFC:PJul 12 14:55
DaemonFClots of politicians have the attitude of "waste all the money you want, we can always make more taxes"Jul 12 14:57
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 14:57
DaemonFCUpdike was caught jerking off to porn on a city computer at one pointJul 12 14:58
DaemonFCas I understand itJul 12 14:58
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] The ISO has modified its procedures after the controversial adoption of Microsoft's OOXML http://cli.gs/jHY35 !fs !linux !floss !techrightsJul 12 14:59
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DaemonFCSGI is now just rubbernecking XFS completelyJul 12 15:00
DaemonFCpulling source code and making their own broken "releases" that they had nothing to do withJul 12 15:01
DaemonFC:/Jul 12 15:01
*DaemonFC wonders why they do thisJul 12 15:01
DaemonFCIRIX is deadJul 12 15:01
DaemonFCXFS's real work goes straight into the Linux kernel itselfJul 12 15:01
DaemonFCwhy make their own "releases"?Jul 12 15:02
DaemonFCWHY!?!? :PJul 12 15:02
MinceRtime for SGI to switch to GNU/Linux alreadyJul 12 15:02
schestowitzDiablo-D3: "Jul 12 15:02
schestowitzDaily averageJul 12 15:02
schestowitz    37 Jul 12 15:02
schestowitz"Jul 12 15:02
Diablo-D3holy crap dudeJul 12 15:02
Diablo-D3I have a daily average of 3Jul 12 15:02
Diablo-D3MinceR: they only use their own OS on their superclustersJul 12 15:03
Diablo-D3they ship linux workstationsJul 12 15:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RIAA boss Bainwol paid $2 million in 2008 - http://bit.ly/aM3qbu defending those poor, starving artists #riaaJul 12 15:03
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DaemonFCIRIX is deadJul 12 15:04
DaemonFCwhy use an OS that they don't even sell anymore?Jul 12 15:04
DaemonFCI think the only IRIX work still being done is to satisfy outstanding support contracts from the point they decided to kill itJul 12 15:05
DaemonFCnobody should be trying to migrate TO IRIXJul 12 15:05
DaemonFC:)Jul 12 15:05
DaemonFCthe whole point of the extended support for existing customers is to help them migrate to LinuxJul 12 15:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: yesJul 12 15:06
DaemonFCwhich was also probably their thinking behind porting XFSJul 12 15:06
DaemonFCshows you they had misgivings about the future of IRIX at least 5 years before they decided to kill itJul 12 15:07
DaemonFCAccording to Eric Sandeen, XFS has a good long life ahead of it in LinuxJul 12 15:08
DaemonFCno matter what happens to SGIJul 12 15:08
DaemonFCI tend to believe himJul 12 15:08
DaemonFCXFS has had some major performance work done on it latelyJul 12 15:10
DaemonFCI may have to try it out again in Linux 2.6.35Jul 12 15:10
DaemonFCit looks like it should be at least some gains across the boardJul 12 15:10
DaemonFChttp://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_35#head-a5e07af03c0c63e6ab06e6d7eb388dc3e888b91aJul 12 15:12
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DaemonFCthat's the biggest win I seeJul 12 15:12
DaemonFCdelayed loggingJul 12 15:12
DaemonFChttp://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2010-05/msg00329.htmlJul 12 15:14
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DaemonFCcheck that out when you get to 4-8 threadsJul 12 15:15
DaemonFCjesus christJul 12 15:15
DaemonFClolJul 12 15:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Government 'lied over Iraq's WMD' - http://bit.ly/dmqWJs I'm shocked, shocked to find that lying is going on in here #iraq #liesJul 12 15:17
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Does this mean google prefers quantity over quality for !android?Jul 12 15:19
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Does this mean Google prefers quantity over quality? http://bit.ly/djKotkJul 12 15:19
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DaemonFCfrom all the benchmarks I've looked at, Delayed Logging makes only a small difference on single and dual core processorsJul 12 15:26
DaemonFCbut if you have a quad core or better, it makes a massive differenceJul 12 15:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft UK: Don't Cave to UK Survey's Linux "Suggestions" - http://bit.ly/d4xBIb nicely done #uk #microsoft #linuxJul 12 15:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Sending an actual hardcopy letter of complaint to #CoOpBank over stupidass policy requiring a fax for overseas transfersJul 12 15:30
schestowitz"Jul 12 15:36
schestowitzDespite these Dilbertesque failings, Ballmer may have been justJul 12 15:36
schestowitzthe guy to champion this project. Like every great salesman, BallmerJul 12 15:36
schestowitzcould charge into meetings and immediately raise the crowd'sJul 12 15:36
schestowitztemperature with his booming voice. He'd become animated, wavingJul 12 15:36
schestowitzhis hands in the air and telling everyone how important their workJul 12 15:36
schestowitzwas to the world. He infused a contagious energy, and manyJul 12 15:36
schestowitzdevelopers thrived on this "mission from God" intensity. They trulyJul 12 15:36
schestowitzbelieved they were doing something that would revolutionize theJul 12 15:36
schestowitzworld.Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz"Jul 12 15:36
schestowitz "mission from God"?Jul 12 15:36
schestowitzMicrosoft?Jul 12 15:36
schestowitzGod sure it evilJul 12 15:37
MinceRwell, there are evil gods tooJul 12 15:38
MinceRat least to the same extent as good ones exist :>Jul 12 15:38
schestowitz"Good" by whose standards?Jul 12 15:40
schestowitzThe bible? And if so, which one and who wrote it?Jul 12 15:40
MinceRwell, i thought it was a moral categoryJul 12 15:41
MinceRand morals have little to do with religionJul 12 15:42
MinceRso it would be something like the standards of relatively sane humansJul 12 15:42
schestowitz"Jul 12 16:03
schestowitzMyhrvold had gotten the RISC religion when he read a book onJul 12 16:03
schestowitzcomputer designs called Computer Architecture, A QuantitativeJul 12 16:03
schestowitzApproach, by John Hennessy and Dave Patterson. Myhrvold wasJul 12 16:03
schestowitzconcerned that all of Microsoft's products ran only on Intel silicon,Jul 12 16:03
schestowitzand thus Microsoft's future was directly tied to Intel's, and to Intel'sJul 12 16:03
schestowitzcontinuing ability to dominate the PC industry with its X86, orJul 12 16:03
schestowitzCISC-based, architecture. He said as much in a confidentialJul 12 16:03
schestowitzMicrosoft report he wrote in the early 1990s called "TechnologyJul 12 16:03
schestowitzShifts in the Operating Systems of the 1990s."Jul 12 16:03
schestowitzMyhrvold convinced Gates that Microsoft needed to be doing aJul 12 16:03
schestowitzportable operating system—one that would run on a broad spectrumJul 12 16:03
schestowitzof processors. So with Ballmerian intensity, Myhrvold wasJul 12 16:03
schestowitzhammering on Gates, touting, "RISC, RISC, RISC."Jul 12 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning all! How are we all doing today?Jul 12 16:03
schestowitz"Jul 12 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @bbctech: Google has released a suite of tools that let non-programmers create apps 4 Android smartphones. http://bit.ly/b99sLrJul 12 16:04
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MinceRso what came of that?Jul 12 16:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Time for Free Software to Square up to Foursquare - http://bit.ly/dC78Zn as #Foursquare finally becomes useful, #freesw needs to match itJul 12 16:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Funny pic, good article RT @sjvn: Apple and AT&T: Time to Wake Up and Smell the Class Action http://is.gd/dp63NJul 12 16:33
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cubezzzwellJul 12 16:34
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] PC-BSD 8.1 RC1 is pretty cool, and fastJul 12 16:34
cubezzzit is significant that we have an almost homogenous cpu marketJul 12 16:34
Diablo-D3yeah, everybody uses ARMJul 12 16:35
cubezzzintel and microsoft must have some nefarious deal hidden in a vault somewhereJul 12 16:39
Diablo-D3hidden?Jul 12 16:39
Diablo-D3thats pretty well known dudeJul 12 16:39
cubezzzhave you seen it?Jul 12 16:39
Diablo-D3intel and microsoft are in bed with each other, legally, above board, and publically notified.Jul 12 16:39
cubezzzI actually have a few Cyrix 486SLC'sJul 12 16:40
MinceRi used to have an AMD K5Jul 12 16:40
MinceRit was crapJul 12 16:40
cubezzzI can't complain, the cpu still works 17 years laterJul 12 16:41
MinceRQuake 1.08 didn't even run on it, had to downgrade to 1.06Jul 12 16:41
cubezzzsometimes I'm not sure who made the cpuJul 12 16:41
cubezzzthere's cpu's branded IBMJul 12 16:41
cubezzzbut I don't think IBM actually made themJul 12 16:41
schestowitz[16:06] <MinceR> so what came of that?Jul 12 16:42
schestowitzWatch what arm does to Atom/x86 at,Jul 12 16:42
MinceRi mean, afaik m$ didn't really shine on the "portable OS" thingJul 12 16:43
cubezzzno, that's a major shiftJul 12 16:43
cubezzzright, I keep forgetting Cyrix is defunct nowJul 12 16:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Yet More Lawyers Jump on Turn Piracy Into Profit Bandwagon - http://bit.ly/9T0ZIb and become much slicker #piracy #lawsuitsJul 12 16:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at River Lee. http://4sq.com/bKEAT6Jul 12 16:45
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cubezzzno wait, IBM did make cpus Jul 12 16:47
cubezzzbut see here:Jul 12 16:48
cubezzz"IBM was not allowed to sell their CPUs if they were not part of a system or upgrade board."Jul 12 16:48
MinceRthey make Power CPUs now, afaikJul 12 16:48
cubezzzthe AIM alliance -> Apple–IBM–Motorola Jul 12 16:49
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux http://cli.gs/Pu4Aj !fs !linuc !techrightsJul 12 16:49
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cubezzzwas there any windows on PowerPC?Jul 12 16:50
cubezzzI guess notJul 12 16:51
schestowitz"Jul 12 16:52
schestowitzIn preparation for her interview, Chung had talked to the CEO ofJul 12 16:52
schestowitzSTAC, Gary Clow, as well as other Gates rivals. She quoted a ClowJul 12 16:52
schestowitzcomment to Gates on the air.Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz"A lot of people make that analogy that competing with Bill GatesJul 12 16:52
schestowitzis like playing hardball," she had Clow saying. "I'd say it's more likeJul 12 16:52
schestowitza knife fight."Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz"I've never heard any of these things," Gates said. "You know,Jul 12 16:52
cubezzzlooking at the history of the PC is almost all lock-in to intel and microsoftJul 12 16:52
schestowitzyou're saying like a knife fight. That's silliness. It's—childish. I mean, whyJul 12 16:52
schestowitzbe a mouthpiece for that kind of—of silliness? Why doesn't he just—justJul 12 16:52
schestowitzsay them—anyway, it—because it has nothing to do with the patentJul 12 16:52
schestowitzlawsuit. It has to do with just, you know, creating a—you know, sort of aJul 12 16:52
schestowitzDavid versus Goliath thing out of it. Well, I'm done."Jul 12 16:52
schestowitzAnd with that, Gates walked off the set.Jul 12 16:52
schestowitz"Can I just ask you one more question, Bill?" Chung said.Jul 12 16:53
schestowitzHis voice trailed off into the distance, "No, I don't think so."Jul 12 16:53
schestowitzIt wasn't much later that Chung left CBS, and many people wondered ifJul 12 16:53
schestowitzGates had had something to do with it.Jul 12 16:53
schestowitz"Jul 12 16:53
schestowitzWhat a sissyJul 12 16:53
cubezzzGates is a real nasty piece of workJul 12 16:54
cubezzzI bet we know about 10% of itJul 12 16:54
cubezzzbut we have IBM and MIcrosoft on different sides of the fence so to speakJul 12 16:55
cubezzzof course people from former Lotus  and former DRI are going to say things like thatJul 12 17:01
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] satipera Linux: Claimed Proof That UNIX Code Was Copied Into Linux http://cli.gs/Pu4Aj !fs !linux !techrightsJul 12 17:04
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MinceRhttp://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/07/20000000_for_what.phpJul 12 17:14
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squarepegwhat's new guys?Jul 12 17:39
schestowitzthat foursquare is annoying. Why are people just broadcasting their location to twitter? Will there be loosquare next?Jul 12 17:53
schestowitzhey, paulJul 12 17:54
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sebsebsebHIJul 12 17:58
schestowitzHiJul 12 17:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: HiJul 12 17:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Welcome to Genomes Unzipped - http://bit.ly/a3lFPY "experts in scientific, legal, ethical & commercial aspects of genomics" #blog #genomicsJul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Panel: Copyright Needed In Music, But Should Benefit Musicians - http://bit.ly/cyDGvW "more than half of Beyoncé's income from branding"Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] 'A real free press for the first time in history' http://bit.ly/bkG6H1Jul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ‘A real free press for the first time in history’: Wikileaks editor speaks out in London - http://bit.ly/dq8YeV let's hope it continuesJul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] It's Your Right to Know: the song - http://bit.ly/bZnRfE everyone join in, now (via @deburca @WhatDoTheyKnow) #ogov #transparencyJul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ACTA negotiators inform the EU Parliament in secret - http://bit.ly/ajHwER shame on the EU (via @technollama) #acta #euJul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: ACTA negotiators inform the EU Parliament in secret - http://bit.ly/ajHwER shame on the EU (via @technollama) #acta #euJul 12 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks founder reflects on media failures http://bit.ly/ddy2h0 http://colleteralmurder.com/Jul 12 18:02
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DaemonFCspeak softly and carry a big stickJul 12 18:41
DaemonFCB-)Jul 12 18:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Noooooooooo! ♺ @BreakingNews: Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich says he's weighing run for president in 2012 AP http://bit.ly/d9BvsNJul 12 18:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I just unlocked the "Local" badge on @foursquare! http://4sq.com/d7EgrCJul 12 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at My Home (Front Street, Slip End, Luton). http://4sq.com/c7RyEuJul 12 18:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @ansol: New blog post: Brasil traz alguma justiça às leis de direitos de autor e sistemas de restrições http://ur1.ca/0nx05Jul 12 19:03
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] The government might put me through school (loan-free) to get some credentials so I can find work easier. I'll know in one more day.Jul 12 19:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] SuperMe: my kick-ass wife's new game is all about mental health http://tinyurl.com/2clgv79Jul 12 19:17
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Pipe bomb got wife of CEO of Adams Resources Exploration, which just got a contract from BP to explore the Gulf further http://u.nu/8bu6dJul 12 19:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Linux Outlaws - Live now! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linuxoutlaws #linux #linux #microsoft #microsoft #mvpJul 12 19:24
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MinceRspeak softly and carry a big fucking swordJul 12 19:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] It appears the "Phone your blog" feature of Wordpress is a US only number....shame...here's hoping for a UK one soon! #wordpressJul 12 19:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 2,750 (or 3,650) Schools Are Dumping Windows and Moving to GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/0mic6 Russia too, hopefully http://ur1.ca/0nxbcJul 12 19:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux in the news: http://ur1.ca/0nxbo http://ur1.ca/0nxbp http://ur1.ca/0nxbqJul 12 19:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Farewell to Windows: The #Ubuntu Option http://10magazine.asia/5618/the-ubuntu-option/Jul 12 19:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Desktop Linux advocacy news sample http://ur1.ca/0nxc7 http://ur1.ca/0nxc8Jul 12 19:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A New Era of #Compiz http://ur1.ca/0nxcc also see http://ur1.ca/0nxcdJul 12 19:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Five and a Half Reasons I Prefer #Linux (as a power user) http://ur1.ca/0nxcl also see http://ur1.ca/0nxcmJul 12 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Servers: A Real Data Center Choice http://www.serverwatch.com/trends/article.php/3892081/Linux-Servers-A-Real-Data-Center-Choice.htmJul 12 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google debuts DIY code tools for Android phones http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10597430.stm #android #androidJul 12 19:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest on Google's GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxd9 http://ur1.ca/0nxdaJul 12 19:48
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ender2070Chrome OS will be uberJul 12 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New #FS / #Linux Audiocasts: http://ur1.ca/0nxcv http://ur1.ca/0nxcw http://twit.tv/floss126 http://ur1.ca/0nxcxJul 12 19:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More Ballnux phones (Linux with Microsoft tax): http://ur1.ca/0nxdi http://ur1.ca/0nxdjJul 12 19:49
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ender2070I was testing out PC-BSDJul 12 19:50
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ender20708.1 RC1Jul 12 19:50
ender2070it comes with everything and nothingJul 12 19:51
ender2070proprietary nvidia drivers, adobe flash, mp3 codecsJul 12 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Good AMD contributions to #Linux #Graphics Stack http://ur1.ca/0nxdo http://ur1.ca/0nxdpJul 12 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'One of the common misconceptions about GNU/Linux is that it "doesn't have any applications"' http://ur1.ca/0nxe5Jul 12 19:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Three video transcoding applications for Linux worth knowing http://ur1.ca/0nxe6 Wallpapers Made Using Inkscape http://ur1.ca/0mhdqJul 12 19:51
ender2070no irc clientJul 12 19:52
ender2070had to install it off the repoJul 12 19:52
ender2070128mb for konversation :(Jul 12 19:52
ender2070took foreverJul 12 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reviews of TeamViewer and rekonq for #gnu #linux http://ur1.ca/0nxe0 http://ur1.ca/0nxe1Jul 12 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microblogging/Identi.ca clients reviewed http://ur1.ca/0lwxp http://ur1.ca/0nxeeJul 12 19:52
ender2070on fedora, 128mb is probably the size of an update for well over 50 packagesJul 12 19:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux Multimedia News: http://ur1.ca/0nxen http://ur1.ca/0nxeo http://ur1.ca/0nxepJul 12 19:53
ender2070no chromium it seemsJul 12 19:54
ender2070first forum post I looked asking for it was full of trollsJul 12 19:54
ender2070'google spies on you' 'ie, safari are way better'Jul 12 19:54
ender2070'firefox is better chromium is google so it spies on you'Jul 12 19:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux Games News: http://ur1.ca/0nxez http://ur1.ca/0nxf1 http://ur1.ca/0nxf2Jul 12 19:54
ender2070except firefox ALSO spies on you for googleJul 12 19:55
MinceReverything is better than everythingJul 12 19:55
ender2070lolJul 12 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Google SketchUp Runs in gnu #Linux http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/google-sketchup.htmlJul 12 19:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lord Mandelson is just embarrassing himself http://tinyurl.com/23hxpor - Yep thats Lord Mandy..... #fail #fail #deb #debJul 12 19:55
ender2070to me, as long as its free software I don't careJul 12 19:56
ender2070and as long as its not microsoftJul 12 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE Dot on Planet KDE, Georg Greve http://ur1.ca/0nxfb http://ur1.ca/0nxfcJul 12 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ghacks.net's Wallen has a new series on #Xfce http://ur1.ca/0nxfl http://ur1.ca/0nxfmJul 12 19:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz But without Ballnux, how will Microsoft make money? ;) People seem to be going rapidly off MS products.Jul 12 19:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distributions that deserve more recognition http://ur1.ca/0nxft http://ur1.ca/0nxfu http://ur1.ca/0nxfvJul 12 19:57
ender2070Sabayon comes with proprietary stuffJul 12 19:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Great Review for Puppy #Linux http://www.kmeckstein.com/linux/and-they-call-it-puppy-love/Jul 12 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Salix #LXDE 13.1 Released http://www.muktware.com/distromatch/09/2010/229Jul 12 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS Release News http://ur1.ca/0nxg5 http://ur1.ca/0nxg7Jul 12 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mandriva 2010 Spring coverage http://ur1.ca/0nxge http://ur1.ca/0nxgf http://ur1.ca/0nxgh http://ur1.ca/0nxgi http://ur1.ca/0nxgjJul 12 20:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Expect to be a billion dollar co by next fiscal: #RedHat http://ur1.ca/0nxgm http://ur1.ca/0nxgn http://ur1.ca/0nxgp http://ur1.ca/0nxgqJul 12 20:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Fedora news, #OLPC presence http://ur1.ca/0nxgw http://ur1.ca/0nxgx http://ur1.ca/0nxh0 http://ur1.ca/0nxh1Jul 12 20:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Debian News: #Firefox returns to Debian? http://ur1.ca/0nxh6 http://ur1.ca/0nxh7Jul 12 20:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Canonical #Ubuntu packaging discussed http://ur1.ca/0nxhf http://ur1.ca/0nxhgJul 12 20:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misc. #Ubuntu news: http://ur1.ca/0nxhm http://ur1.ca/0nxhn http://ur1.ca/0nxho http://ur1.ca/0nxhp http://ur1.ca/0nxhqJul 12 20:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lisa writes for Intel re "The Fragmentation of Linux: Two Points of View" http://ur1.ca/0nxicJul 12 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://www.thinq.co.uk/2010/7/6/arm-muscling-desktop-space/ http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/NetLogic-Microsystems-NLX321103A/Jul 12 20:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] News about #Ubuntu derivatives/flavours for netbooks http://ur1.ca/0nxhv http://ur1.ca/0lzgfJul 12 20:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sorry, that last dent was about #ARM using Linux against x86. This fight is good for LinuxJul 12 20:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Phones news: Flash Player 10.1 Ported To #MeeGo , #Android http://ur1.ca/0nxiw Open source software battle heats up http://ur1.ca/0nxixJul 12 20:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android apps galore http://sensormote.weebly.com/ http://androidspin.com/2010/07/10/android-market-on-the-verge-of-hitting-100k/Jul 12 20:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Why I Turned In My iPhone and Went #Android ' http://blog.louisgray.com/2010/07/why-i-turned-in-my-iphone-and-went.html #hypePhoneJul 12 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android: it's about the apps http://ur1.ca/0nxjm http://ur1.ca/0nxjn http://ur1.ca/0nxjp http://ur1.ca/0nxjqJul 12 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia/MeeGo as #Linux proponent http://ur1.ca/0nxja http://ur1.ca/0nxjb http://ur1.ca/0nxjc http://ur1.ca/0nxjeJul 12 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Android Grows at a Blistering Pace" http://ur1.ca/0nxjx http://ur1.ca/0nxjy http://ur1.ca/0nxk1Jul 12 20:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Android Gains Marketshare While All Others Lose It' http://ur1.ca/0nxka #Fujitsu joins http://ur1.ca/0nxkb new SDK http://ur1.ca/0nxkcJul 12 20:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Motorola runs ahead with Linux (Android) http://ur1.ca/0nxkv http://ur1.ca/0nxkwJul 12 20:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu on Nexus One, Froyo on Sprint’s Hero http://ur1.ca/0nxkc 'Android sees healthy growth' http://ur1.ca/0nxknJul 12 20:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Sub-notebooks with Linux: More to come http://ur1.ca/0nxl5 http://ur1.ca/0nxl6Jul 12 20:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Affordable Android-powered iPad-like Tablet Computers Galore" http://www.junauza.com/2010/07/affordable-android-powered-ipad-like.htmlJul 12 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open source chosen for first major contract for Indian ID cards project http://ur1.ca/0nxlg used to be just Microsoft #nasscomJul 12 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "University Challenge & the open source debating society" http://ur1.ca/0nxlj it spreadsJul 12 20:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Newspaper chain Journal Register Company announces move to open source http://ur1.ca/0nxlr Free is better sometimesJul 12 20:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open source financial analytics startup OpenGamma comes out of stealth mode http://ur1.ca/0nxm4Jul 12 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The state of the open source nation http://www.pcpro.co.uk/realworld/359326/the-state-of-the-open-source-nation nation or world?Jul 12 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Proprietary Technologies Are Buggier Than Open Source? http://ur1.ca/0nxma http://ur1.ca/0nxmf #antifudJul 12 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Project Management Tools http://ur1.ca/0nxml Some are not so "Open Source"Jul 12 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia resorts to software freedom to rescue Symbian http://ur1.ca/0nxms http://ur1.ca/0nxmt http://ur1.ca/0nxmuJul 12 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Events: #Rails Sydney Meetup July 2010 http://ur1.ca/0nxn1 Libre Software Meeting GNU gathering this week in Bordeaux http://ur1.ca/0nxn3Jul 12 20:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Web browser comparisons: FOSS fares well http://ur1.ca/0nxn9 http://ur1.ca/0nxna http://ur1.ca/0nxnbJul 12 20:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Mozilla Public License rewrite deletes Netscape http://ur1.ca/0nxnk Mozilla helped rescue the Web from MSIEJul 12 20:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Firefox 4 Beta Brings Speed Boost http://ur1.ca/0nxnq http://ur1.ca/0nxnr http://ur1.ca/0nxns http://ur1.ca/0lqcn http://ur1.ca/0nxntJul 12 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New examples of F/OSS in #SaaS http://ur1.ca/0nxnz http://ur1.ca/0lxk4 #fogcomputingJul 12 20:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CEO of #Ingres interviewed http://opensource.cbronline.com/features/roger-burkhardt-ceo-ingres-080710 #dbJul 12 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] My Top 10 Most Useful #Joomla Components http://phpbuilder.com/columns/joomla/components/voja_janjic070710.php3Jul 12 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Considering Open Source Software for K-12 http://ur1.ca/0nxop "IT directors are replacing existing solutions with OSS"Jul 12 20:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Software: Less Feature-Rich Than Proprietary Competition? http://ur1.ca/0nxp0Jul 12 20:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tired defence of "Open core" http://ur1.ca/0nxpf Analysis of Consona’s Acquisition of Compiere http://ur1.ca/0nxpgJul 12 20:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GOLEMs are better than “Intellectual Property” - Passing criticism on “IP” http://blogs.fsfe.org/mk/?p=612 ideas are not propertyJul 12 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] GhostBSD 1.0 reviewed, FreeBSD compared to #Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxpk http://ur1.ca/0nxpl #bsdJul 12 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #fsf reaches out http://ur1.ca/0lxbr http://ur1.ca/0nxq1Jul 12 20:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman and GCC http://ur1.ca/0nxqh views on copyrights http://ur1.ca/0lwd2Jul 12 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Notable FOSS Project Releases http://ur1.ca/0nxqs http://ur1.ca/0nxqt http://ur1.ca/0nxquJul 12 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Notable FOSS Project Releases {ctd.} http://ur1.ca/0nxr1 http://ur1.ca/0nxr2 http://ur1.ca/0nxr3 http://ur1.ca/0nxr4Jul 12 20:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Government of Australia opens to more interaction with Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrc http://ur1.ca/0nxrfJul 12 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] U.K. government could drop Microsoft for Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrh http://ur1.ca/0nxri http://ur1.ca/0lxy8Jul 12 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Malaysian Government has reached 97% OSS Adoption -- WOW! http://ur1.ca/0nxrn Korea next? http://ur1.ca/0lwxdJul 12 20:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Legal foundations of the open source way http://ur1.ca/0nxrt also see The Open Science Shift http://ur1.ca/0nxruJul 12 20:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Sara Coffin likes to think of Schreibstuck as the dance equivalent of open-source software" http://ur1.ca/0nxrzJul 12 20:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #OpenData wins: http://ur1.ca/0nxs6 http://ur1.ca/0nxs7 http://ur1.ca/0nxs8 http://ur1.ca/0nxs9 http://ur1.ca/0nxsaJul 12 20:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Course Production http://ur1.ca/0nxsd Does Creative Commons need more court cases? http://ur1.ca/0nxse #openaccessJul 12 20:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "A full open source hardware track offers a range of talks to get you started with hardware hacking" http://ur1.ca/0nxsjJul 12 20:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FOSS Programming News: http://ur1.ca/0nxsq http://ur1.ca/0nxsr http://ur1.ca/0nxss http://ur1.ca/0nxst ("published in July 2010")Jul 12 20:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #ODF "The mission of this project is improving the interoperability of UOF." http://ur1.ca/0nxt4 http://ur1.ca/0nxt5 @via robweirJul 12 20:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument) Version 1.2" http://ur1.ca/0nxtf #odfJul 12 20:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Latest dirt on #ACTA http://ur1.ca/0lxbs http://ur1.ca/0llwjJul 12 20:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digital Economy Act causes unrest, still http://ur1.ca/0nxts http://ur1.ca/0nxtt http://ur1.ca/0nxtu #debill #deactJul 12 20:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Apologies for posting 3 days of news (accumulated) all at once. I'm mostly out of the house this week.Jul 12 20:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Linux Outlaws - Live now! http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linuxoutlaws #linux #linux #microsoft #microsoft #mvpJul 12 20:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin exactlyJul 12 20:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Government of Australia opens to more interaction with Linux http://ur1.ca/0nxrc http://ur1.ca/0nxrfJul 12 20:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Linux Oz head builds open-source SBR link - Software - News .::. Size~: 97.99 KBJul 12 20:46
TechrightsBotTitle: SBR gets open source tool, AUSkey coming to Linux - SBR, pki, open source, linux.conf.au. Linux Australia, Linux, government, Department of Treasury, Auskey, ATO - CIO .::. Size~: 95.75 KBJul 12 20:46
schestowitzback in a mo... of to pick my momJul 12 20:49
ThistleWeb<schestowitz> back in a mo... of to pick my mom << sounds like a special version of blind dateJul 12 20:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Windows Phone 7 Issues Could Mirror Kin's http://tinyurl.com/3y7qy7l #microsoft #microsoft #kin #mvp #xp #vista #windows #failJul 12 21:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Watch - Desktop & Mobile - Windows Phone 7 Issues Could Mirror Kin's .::. Size~: 43.46 KBJul 12 21:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] It is alleged that #Microsoft sold 503 #kin phones. Way to go Microsoft! You've got the mobile platform sorted! ;) Watch out Android!Jul 12 21:07
ender2070we need a compiler botJul 12 21:14
ender2070##c++ has oneJul 12 21:15
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cube486look ma no heat sink :)Jul 12 21:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Since I was impressed with Zenwalk, Zencafe looks like an interesting project. Think I will give the Slackware distro a look. #linuxJul 12 21:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and another non-Ubuntu derived distro thats caught my eye: Lunar Linux http://www.lunar-linux.org/index.php Give that a look too!Jul 12 21:29
*cubezzz wonders if MinceR tried MepisJul 12 21:41
MinceRi didJul 12 21:42
MinceRthen i decided i don't want itJul 12 21:42
cubezzzwhy not?Jul 12 21:42
MinceRits configuration utilities appear to be proprietaryJul 12 21:42
MinceRand their scheme about source code acquisition is shadyJul 12 21:43
MinceRif i had looked at distrowatch more thoroughly i would have also noted that it lacks abiword, gnumeric, inkscape and gimpJul 12 21:44
MinceRdo only mention a few thingsJul 12 21:44
cubezzzhmmmJul 12 21:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] American National Standards Institute (ANSI) on Twitter @ansidotorg (I would have gone for something catchier like "US-Standards")Jul 12 21:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @Grant_Sewell_IT: Currently reading "The Art of Community" by @jonobacon. Awesome read! #fbJul 12 22:06
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ender2070Yay I might be going to school :DJul 12 22:24
ender2070i'll know tomorrowJul 12 22:25
ender2070its all looking goodJul 12 22:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Census axed as accurate information declared frivolous http://newstechnica.com/?p=2273Jul 12 22:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:Proof_that_all_odd_numbers_are_primeJul 12 22:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Nintendo 3DS packs extra weapons against piracy - http://bit.ly/bwq4uK if it truly believes that, it's doomed #nintendo #piracyJul 12 22:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Closing the Digital Frontier - http://bit.ly/ds6qcF more wishful thinking of the "I'm glad I'm a closed gamma" meme #cluelessJul 12 22:56
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sebsebsebwhos here?Jul 12 22:58
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MinceR(flash) (audio) (animated) http://www.thebest404pageever.com/swf/56k.swfJul 12 22:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody Nintendo (above everyone else) should know "resistance is futile" every console they've released has had a "backup device"Jul 12 23:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody The Magicom, Diskdoctor V64, R4 Whats up with Nintendo? been hit with the MS arrogance/self importance stick?Jul 12 23:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Software Freedom, Open Source Software, and Jane Jacobs - http://bit.ly/aAuR77 "Yeah but, no but - " #opensource #freesw #osiJul 12 23:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody Producing a console which prevents "piracy" would be a similar task to making a deodorant to stop Ballmer sweating on stage....Jul 12 23:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Looking More Closely At Judge Gertner's Constitutional Analysis Of Copyright Awards In Tenenbaum Case - http://bit.ly/dCmry3 fascinatingJul 12 23:14
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*ender2070 (~ender2070@bas22-toronto12-2925103372.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #boycottnovellJul 12 23:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @glynmoody You know me...any excuse to get a Ballmer dig in the conversation.Jul 12 23:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] CopyWrong! - http://bit.ly/cAAiS4 how copyright is destroying our heritage, Part 768576: in this case, old, crumbling piano rolls #copyrightJul 12 23:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] MediaTek Joins Open Handset Alliance to Bring its Processors to Low-Cost Android Phones - http://bit.ly/aDkUEt expanding the ecosystemJul 12 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] "powerful application platform for people to create compelling new experiences." - PR RE: Winmob 7......this will be good, after hundredsJul 12 23:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] of thousands of apps for both Apple and Android...what on earth does Microsoft think could be new?Jul 12 23:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Lets hope the "new" isn't a resurrection of the Kin or an appearance of the Zune on Winmob7, neither of them are either new or compelling.Jul 12 23:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I say correct, it claims im sitting in a tree...but I do know that tree! Its close by!Jul 12 23:56

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