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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Currently listening to 01 Boom Boom Pow by on [Amarok]. | Jul 13 00:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Tomorrow we release our last ever Shot Of Jaq - it's been a blast, folks! #shotofjaq | Jul 13 01:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Detail of Dragonfly Wing [Flickr] http://goo.gl/fb/sq7ug | Jul 13 01:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] World history before our eyes: http://bit.ly/deesud | Jul 13 02:34 | |
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| cubezzz | giving vector a test tonight | Jul 13 03:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Funny: blogger suggests Microsoft let the UK gov move to Linux & OpenOffice, rather than cut prices http://bit.ly/d4xBIb | Jul 13 03:07 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @google: Introducing App Inventor, a new tool that makes it easy for anyone to create mobile apps for Android http://bit.ly/d7oxuE | Jul 13 03:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @pleia2: On roof, tethered to internets through my nexus one :) yay froyo! | Jul 13 03:11 | |
| sebsebseb | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_pentium4_old&num=1 | Jul 13 03:18 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Microsoft user group : http://www.facebook.com/indoremug #wtf #ROFL | Jul 13 03:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] The Real ‘Copyright Radical Extremist’ – Hello James Moore, This Is Your Life http://bit.ly/99e7lu | Jul 13 04:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @rtaibah: rtaibah: RT @glynmoody: Why Android's Victory is Inevitable - http://bit.ly/ckJlUV boosting… http://goo.gl/fb/vOKh9 | Jul 13 04:29 | |
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| ender2070 | mono's carbon footprint should be investigated | Jul 13 05:02 |
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| ender2070 | that way it can be shown how much sooner the ice caps will melt from using mono | Jul 13 05:24 |
| ender2070 | Is Al Gore partnered with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation ? | Jul 13 05:26 |
| ender2070 | Windows has a larger carbon footprint than Linux | Jul 13 05:31 |
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| *DaemonFC is writing about an Ubuntu bug he found | Jul 13 05:35 | |
| DaemonFC | I've found it's more useful to blog about them than to actually report them | Jul 13 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | that way nobody can come around to close the report, bury it, and leave the bugs intact | Jul 13 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | "If you think you can get them to listen, go make an account and report it yourself, I deleted my Launchpad account a while back in frustration. Good luck. I used to joke about Microsoft and their "Active Brick Wall" support policy, but Ubuntu is sneakier because actually having a bug reporting process misleads the victim into thinking that any of their developers actually care." | Jul 13 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | "See also; "It's a feature. Someone on a dime store netbook using Ubuntu Netbook Remix might like it so we'll break your $1,000 PC."" | Jul 13 05:43 |
| ender2070 | Fedora | Jul 13 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | "Like everything in life, it's one part science, one part art, and eight parts compromise. (There. Who says I'm not poetic?)" | Jul 13 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 13 05:48 |
| ender2070 | Fedora | Jul 13 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, What exactly does Unclutter do? | Jul 13 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | for a typical user? | Jul 13 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | besides cause mouse polling problems? | Jul 13 05:54 |
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| cubeman | well got vector on | Jul 13 05:55 |
| cubeman | looks OK so far | Jul 13 05:55 |
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| *DaemonFC just threw away a Red Baron Fire Baked pizza | Jul 13 05:57 | |
| DaemonFC | that tasted like sale and garlic on a burned cracker | Jul 13 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | *salt | Jul 13 05:57 |
| *DaemonFC goes to rinse his mouth out some more | Jul 13 05:57 | |
| DaemonFC | ewww | Jul 13 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I got a search engine hit for "should I open the door to the FBI" | Jul 13 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | O_O | Jul 13 06:00 |
| *DaemonFC sets to work to make a "should I open the door to the FBI" flowchart | Jul 13 06:01 | |
| cubeman | MinceR, you around? | Jul 13 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | even being honest with the police can get you in trouble | Jul 13 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | even if you're innocent | Jul 13 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | "No, I never liked the guy, but I wouldn't ever kill anyone" | Jul 13 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | later in court.... | Jul 13 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | Prosecutor: "He never liked the guy!" | Jul 13 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | There's a difference between not liking someone and shooting them 8 times, decapitating the body, and dumping it in a lake. | Jul 13 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | The prosecutor is very good at making the jury forget that. | Jul 13 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 13 06:08 |
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| cubevector | back on xchat | Jul 13 06:13 |
| cubevector | anyways, vector's not bad | Jul 13 06:15 |
| cubevector | you really want KDE 3.5.10, it's got it | Jul 13 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 13 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | the police are investigating my neighbor | Jul 13 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | he's going to be in a world of shit if they prove he's not living at the address he gave them | Jul 13 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | you can go back to prison for a year just for that | Jul 13 06:16 |
| MinceR | cubevector: yes | Jul 13 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Do you know why Unclutter is useful? | Jul 13 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | it seems to just mess up my mouse until I turn it off | Jul 13 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | then the mouse works fine | Jul 13 06:25 |
| MinceR | because it keeps the mouse pointer from covering stuff | Jul 13 06:25 |
| MinceR | but it does mess things up | Jul 13 06:25 |
| MinceR | that's why i stopped using it | Jul 13 06:25 |
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| MinceR | it would be better to have something that works within X instead of hacking about with invisible windows | Jul 13 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | jono would probably know | Jul 13 06:26 |
| MinceR | say, a nice fade into transparency | Jul 13 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like Unclutter can cause power management problems too | Jul 13 06:26 |
| MinceR | or simply if your mouse pointer would become 50% transparent after 1 second of not moving | Jul 13 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | if it works that way | Jul 13 06:26 |
| MinceR | unclutter simply creates a 1x1 invisible window under the pointer after the set amount of inactivity | Jul 13 06:27 |
| MinceR | and that window has the mouse pointer set to be invisible | Jul 13 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | so it is a very hackish hack | Jul 13 06:27 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 13 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | around an X11 deficiency | Jul 13 06:27 |
| DaemonFC | well, thanks for clearing that up | Jul 13 06:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @jabancroft: Reading @jonobacon's Art of Community (the CC PDF, in iBooks on my iPad, natch). How have I not read this until now? /shame | Jul 13 06:28 | |
| MinceR | but i doubt that you can show me a windowing system that can already do what unclutter does | Jul 13 06:28 |
| MinceR | (globally) | Jul 13 06:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 13 06:28 |
| cubevector | vector seems not too bad | Jul 13 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, So what are the disadvantages of turning it off? | Jul 13 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | What applications are affected? | Jul 13 06:29 |
| DaemonFC | when I have it on, the mouse pointer goes crazy in fullscreen OpenGL apps | Jul 13 06:29 |
| MinceR | FPSes tend to not like that behavior | Jul 13 06:30 |
| MinceR | iirc | Jul 13 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't do it on Ubuntu 10.04 | Jul 13 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | but it started doing it on 10.10 branch | Jul 13 06:31 |
| MinceR | strange | Jul 13 06:31 |
| MinceR | it has always been like that for me | Jul 13 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | so it sounds like it's conflicting with something they changed somewhere else | Jul 13 06:31 |
| MinceR | (well, back when i used it) | Jul 13 06:31 |
| MinceR | perhaps they changed the way it works | Jul 13 06:31 |
| MinceR | checking the man page might reveal if it works differently from the version i described | Jul 13 06:32 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: I don't really monitor the comments on there much. Hopefully someone from the channel here can notify me or email treed@copilotco.com if there is a problem. | Jul 13 06:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at London Luton Airport (LTN) (Airport Way, Prentice Way, Luton) w/ 2 others. http://4sq.com/45BArN | Jul 13 07:00 | |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: with what fullscreen OpenGL apps did the behavior change? | Jul 13 07:00 |
| MinceR | perhaps those apps changed | Jul 13 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | Sauerbraten and OpenArena | Jul 13 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | it also causes some Wine apps to freeze the system | Jul 13 07:02 |
| MinceR | then i guess not :) | Jul 13 07:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Digging the Sound Indicator - http://is.gd/dpWuZ #ubuntu #gnome #desktop | Jul 13 07:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.swordsswords.com/azan.aspx | Jul 13 07:13 |
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| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 13 07:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Was going to drive, traffic is a no no....had to get train instead. | Jul 13 07:16 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.swordsswords.com/AvP-Predator-Retractable-Spear.aspx | Jul 13 07:17 |
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| DaemonFC | I want that | Jul 13 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.swordsswords.com/Avenger-Fantasy-Battle-Axe-Battle-Ready.aspx | Jul 13 07:21 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 13 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Wait up a second and let me go get the old battle axe | Jul 13 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 07:21 |
| MinceR | i prefer swords | Jul 13 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | they have those too | Jul 13 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | damn | Jul 13 07:22 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if some of this stuff is even legal in Indiana | Jul 13 07:22 | |
| DaemonFC | I know the throwing stars aren't | Jul 13 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | the crossbows are only legal to use for hunting | Jul 13 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | and only if you have a handicap which prevents you from using a rifle or shotgun | Jul 13 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | the throwing axes might be legal | Jul 13 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | as the law says "throwing stars" are banned | Jul 13 07:24 |
| MinceR | they rather you throw knives? | Jul 13 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | the law says throwing stars by name, MinceR | Jul 13 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | so I assume knives and axes are OK to throw | Jul 13 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 07:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @developerworks Traversing #RedHat Enterprise #Linux - The #AIX administrators' guide to learning #Linux > http://su.pr/1lHU2Y #UNIX | Jul 13 07:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Seems to me like throwing a throwing axe would be easier to learn than how to use throwing stars | Jul 13 07:26 |
| MinceR | not sure about that | Jul 13 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | nun-chucks are legal | Jul 13 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I could probably break someone's jaw with this baton just by using the handle | Jul 13 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Jul 13 07:31 |
| MinceR | as i like to say, "everything is a weapon" | Jul 13 07:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @sixtus I Will Survive! http://post.ly/mw13 | krass. Bewegend. Weitersagen. | Jul 13 07:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, You threw a shoe!? | Jul 13 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | Who throws a shoe? Honestly? :P | Jul 13 07:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://safetycentral.com/im90vocephst.html | Jul 13 07:43 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's what I was talking about the other day | Jul 13 07:44 |
| MinceR | i didn't, but it can be used to kill a person | Jul 13 07:46 |
| MinceR | just slip it into a pocket...what could possibly go wrong? | Jul 13 07:47 |
| MinceR | oh, it has a safety switch | Jul 13 07:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at Mill Hill Broadway Station (Mill Hill Broadway, London). http://4sq.com/aeP9bW | Jul 13 07:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.swordsswords.com/300-Spartan-Cape.aspx | Jul 13 07:50 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.swordsswords.com/300-King-Leonidas-Helmet.aspx | Jul 13 07:50 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I just have three words for you | Jul 13 07:51 |
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| DaemonFC | THIS IS MARTHA!!!!! | Jul 13 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 07:51 |
| MinceR | argh | Jul 13 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.swordsswords.com/conan.aspx | Jul 13 07:55 |
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| DaemonFC | Conan The Barbarian swords! | Jul 13 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | Highlander ones too | Jul 13 07:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at Hendon Railway Station (Station Road, Hendon). http://4sq.com/cdpeqD | Jul 13 07:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, http://www.swordsswords.com/Skull-and-Bones-Gauntlet-Style-Hand-Claws.aspx | Jul 13 08:00 |
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| DaemonFC | I might actually buy one of those | Jul 13 08:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft extends Windows XP downgrade rights until 2020 - http://bit.ly/cQOQmQ nice demonstration that Microsoft's upgrades, aren't #xp | Jul 13 08:06 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft extends Windows XP downgrade rights until 2020 - Computerworld .::. Size~: 79.36 KB | Jul 13 08:06 |
| MinceR | nice admission of the vista failure :> | Jul 13 08:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Ron Crockett joins Severed Fifth on bass - http://soc.li/S9Wc4Hb #severedfifth | Jul 13 08:07 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, support expires in 2014 | Jul 13 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | how can they offer it until 2020? | Jul 13 08:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @adrianoafonso: 2a edicao do manual de TIC e OpenOffice.org http://bit.ly/aIBruf | Jul 13 08:09 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Manual de Tecnologias da Informação e Comunicação e OpenOffice.org 2ª edição adrianoafonso.net .::. Size~: 30.44 KB | Jul 13 08:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] View Image File Metadata From the Command Line http://post.ly/mxlL | Jul 13 08:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Does this mean I have downgrade rights to XP? | Jul 13 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | I have an OEM copy of Windows 7 | Jul 13 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | "The change impacts only consumers and businesses that don't subscribe to Software Assurance (SA) -- Microsoft's annuity-like upgrade guarantee program -- or those who purchase Windows through volume-licensing plans. Those companies already had downgrade rights from any edition, including Windows 7, to any previous version going as far back as Windows 95." | Jul 13 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | All Windows 9x support ended in 2006 | Jul 13 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Computer manufacturers must stop installing Windows XP Home on netbooks as of Oct. 22, 2010" | Jul 13 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | That won't go over well. | Jul 13 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | "and they may sell PCs with Vista pre-installed only through Oct. 22, 2011." | Jul 13 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | HAH! | Jul 13 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | most of them stopped selling Vista the moment Windows 7 came out | Jul 13 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | couldn't get away from it fast enough | Jul 13 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | "That means Windows users who want to downgrade a Windows 7 system to XP must do it themselves starting Oct. 23 of this year." | Jul 13 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | that should be easy enough | Jul 13 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | you can still find drivers for everything for XP | Jul 13 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | I guess as long as you pay Microsoft, they don't really care what you use | Jul 13 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 08:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Thiago Bellini talks about Severed Fifth and free culture - http://is.gd/dq0ih - bring it! #severedfifth | Jul 13 08:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, This is why I hate forks | Jul 13 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | they both end up with problems and bug fixes that are mutually exclusive :( | Jul 13 08:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A ver se percebo as #scut: monta-se um sistema e faz-se uma lei que beneficiam a empresa do gajo que desenhou o esquema | Jul 13 08:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A ver se percebo as #scut: obriga-se por lei a colocar um #chipespiao mas aparentemente esse chip foi revogado | Jul 13 08:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A ver se percebo as #scut: no meio destes custos todos, acresce a formação de uma nova polícia, com elementos privados e mal pagos. | Jul 13 08:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A ver se percebo as #scut: elementos estes que terão os poderes de mandar parar viaturas e inspeccioná-las. | Jul 13 08:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A ver se percebo as #scut: ao que parece, o preço por Km médio é o dobro do mesmo nas restantes Auto-estradas | Jul 13 08:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] A ver se percebo as #scut: conclusão: é melhor ir comprando vaselina... | Jul 13 08:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at Golders Green Station (Golders Green NW11, London). http://4sq.com/68FBdP | Jul 13 08:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Oddly enough the block switching patch from AoTuv applies cleanly to libvorbis | Jul 13 08:50 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/GNU-HURD-Altered-visions-and-lost-promise-1030942.html | Jul 13 09:08 |
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| DaemonFC | http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3Myths | Jul 13 09:19 |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, at least now it's official that those products are unsupported :> | Jul 13 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | what is? | Jul 13 09:26 |
| MinceR | winblows xp | Jul 13 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | they still get security fixes | Jul 13 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | you have to pay per-incident for support though | Jul 13 09:27 |
| MinceR | you can feel lucky if it doesn't break much harder than usual | Jul 13 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | and anything but SP3 is unsupported | Jul 13 09:27 |
| MinceR | well, that's a nice trick | Jul 13 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, SP3 is a free update | Jul 13 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | it makes sense to stop supporting SP2 | Jul 13 09:28 |
| MinceR | they get to be paid for every support incident for their least shitty winblows | Jul 13 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | especially since you're not expected to go out to buy something | Jul 13 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | the only problem I have with that is that Windows doesn't age well and I've had some SP3 updates go awry simply because Windows was in such bad shape | Jul 13 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | and then I got to spend hours cleaning up the mess | Jul 13 09:29 |
| MinceR | spending hours cleaning up the mess was always business as usual | Jul 13 09:29 |
| MinceR | if it could be cleaned up at all, that is | Jul 13 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | I made an XP with integrated SP3 CD that I use to recover people's XP system with now | Jul 13 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's much easier than trying to apply SP3 on top of SP2 | Jul 13 09:29 |
| MinceR | fundamental design flaws can't be just cleaned up | Jul 13 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The biggest problem going from SP2 to SP3 is Internet Explorer | Jul 13 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | it can cause problems with the shell | Jul 13 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | you can also get stuck with the wrong version of IE | Jul 13 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | like you could install SP3 over a system with IE 7 and then IE 8 may refuse to install | Jul 13 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | so I managed to toggle some registry keys to make it look like IE 8 was already there and I was just reinstalling it | Jul 13 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | that worked :P | Jul 13 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | go figure | Jul 13 09:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 13 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | my integrated CD also has all the post SP3 hotfixes, Windows Media Player 11, IE 8, and the latest DirectX runtime integrated | Jul 13 09:31 |
| MinceR | shit like that tends to make me switch OSes | Jul 13 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | that way everything is there and I don't end up with one component complaining about the rest | Jul 13 09:32 |
| MinceR | your integrated CD only works for a fresh install though, doesn't it? | Jul 13 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The problem with IE is that it's sitting there exposing you to security flaws and bugs in the shell even if you don't use it | Jul 13 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | so you have to keep it updated even if you never use IE | Jul 13 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | pain in the ass | Jul 13 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's often what you have to resort to anyway | Jul 13 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | so you might as well drop a clean install that's already configured :) | Jul 13 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | bombs away! :P | Jul 13 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | now you're talking an hour vs. spending 2-3 hours trying to fix it, giving up, spending another hour reinstalling, then spending another 1-2 hours trying to get all your updates on top of the version you had on the install disc | Jul 13 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you have to work with a lot of XP systems you WILL eventually have such an integrated installer disc | Jul 13 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, To be fair, at least XP kind of works after 10 years of patching | Jul 13 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | *shrug* | Jul 13 09:36 |
| MinceR | unlike vista and vista7? | Jul 13 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 13 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 is quite buggy | Jul 13 09:36 |
| MinceR | that's why xp sticks around | Jul 13 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft manages to suppress the most grotesque problems with it | Jul 13 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | they need an academy award for that acting :) | Jul 13 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Everything is great here in the Soviet paradise! | Jul 13 09:37 |
| MinceR | j0 | Jul 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | No problems | Jul 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | all are equal | Jul 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 is fine | Jul 13 09:37 |
| MinceR | "...livin' in a Soviet paradise" | Jul 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | much more stable than XP | Jul 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | faster too! | Jul 13 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I liked Windows XP x64 Edition | Jul 13 09:38 |
| MinceR | http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l214/Ymdar/Other/1279006773000.jpg | Jul 13 09:38 |
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| DaemonFC | I stayed on that until Microsoft made it unbearable to try to maintain | Jul 13 09:38 |
| MinceR | the one which runs practically no apps? :> | Jul 13 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | no, it'll run any apps that XP does | Jul 13 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | aside fro mWin16 | Jul 13 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | which 64-bit Vista and 7 don't run anyway | Jul 13 09:38 |
| MinceR | i thought they had serious issues with 32bit compatibility | Jul 13 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | the weirdest thing I encountered n XP x64 is no driver for my MP3 player | Jul 13 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | so I told it it was an external hard drive | Jul 13 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | and after that it was perfectly happy with it | Jul 13 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 13 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, No, 32-bit compatibility is just fine | Jul 13 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | any Win32 software that runs on Windows XP will run in XP x64 | Jul 13 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | the initial complain about XP x64 was lack of drivers | Jul 13 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | but Vista x64 drivers work | Jul 13 09:40 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 13 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | and so do a lot of Windows 7 drivers | Jul 13 09:40 |
| MinceR | so you get xp with vista's driver problems instead of xp's driver problems? | Jul 13 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, My video card had XP X64 drivers | Jul 13 09:41 |
| MinceR | what about missing subsystems? (the ones that they've supposedly "rewritten") | Jul 13 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | My printer used Vista drivers | Jul 13 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | and my MP3 player was an external hard disk | Jul 13 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | but it did all work :) | Jul 13 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's the SysWOW64 folder | Jul 13 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | it has a 32-bit version of everything | Jul 13 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | including Explorer | Jul 13 09:41 |
| MinceR | damn, fiasco webex connect is a fucking pile of shit | Jul 13 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | you can swap the 64-bit Explorer shell for the 32-bit one if you have 32-bit Explorer shell extensions you need to use | Jul 13 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | but the most common shell extensions were for things like ZIP utilities | Jul 13 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | which have X64 versions anyway | Jul 13 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | with 64-bit shell extensions | Jul 13 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | XP x64 did not have 64-bit Windows Media Player | Jul 13 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | which is just as well | Jul 13 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | Vista makes it hard to use the 64-bit one | Jul 13 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | and Windows 7 makes you take ownership of registry keys to enable the switch | Jul 13 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The reason the 64-bit Media Player is so usable is because those "pirate codec packs" support it | Jul 13 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | and the ones Microsoft sells don't | Jul 13 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 13 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they try forcing the 32-bit player on you | Jul 13 09:44 |
| MinceR | the codec packs which break your system? | Jul 13 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | lazy companies not wanting to update their codecs | Jul 13 09:44 |
| MinceR | fun | Jul 13 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | Sharky007 Codec Pack | Jul 13 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | works well | Jul 13 09:44 |
| MinceR | though you could just install mplayer and/or vlc and evade the winblows codec issues | Jul 13 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | the K-Lite one causes bugs | Jul 13 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but Windows Media Player is not the actual player engine | Jul 13 09:45 |
| MinceR | yes, there are over 9000 codec packs and most of them break the system | Jul 13 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | just a front end | Jul 13 09:45 |
| MinceR | good luck | Jul 13 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | Directshow codecs are useful outside Media Player | Jul 13 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The way to solve Windows problems is to think of the common sense way of fixing them | Jul 13 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | then do the complete opposite | Jul 13 09:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Julian Assange & the WikiLeaks agenda http://bit.ly/cP9lxQ | Jul 13 09:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | it helps to stand on your head | Jul 13 09:47 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 13 09:47 |
| MinceR | well, i know a common sense way that almost always works | Jul 13 09:47 |
| MinceR | you end up without winblows but that's a feature | Jul 13 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I had to stop my mom before she ordered one of those damned Windows 7 Starter netbooks | Jul 13 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | QVC pitches them in a fashion that makes it sound desirable :P | Jul 13 09:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 13 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | I told her what the real deal is with those | Jul 13 09:48 |
| MinceR | who's QVC? | Jul 13 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | they do almost nothing until you buy an $80 serial number to unlock Home Premium features | Jul 13 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | home shopping company :P | Jul 13 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | starter is like a free trial copy of Windows | Jul 13 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | that stops you from getting work done until you buy the rest of it | Jul 13 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Jul 13 09:50 |
| MinceR | and then it continues stopping you from getting work done | Jul 13 09:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Fix the Food Chain - http://bit.ly/9EX6xk fixes several problems at once #deforestation #soy #agriculture | Jul 13 10:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Arrested for blowing bubbles at the G20 in Toronto? - http://bit.ly/a3ySQF time to junk the G20 meetings #police #g20 | Jul 13 10:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Lessons learned from a hasty standard - http://bit.ly/bTeKkv I think they mean "standard"... #ooxml #iso | Jul 13 10:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] An Egyptian, and an Arab - http://bit.ly/dhjxpH interesting; let's hope it makes life easier for the Copts #egypt #copts | Jul 13 10:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] the weather is warm and rainy. i shoulda worn a neck-to-knee swimsuit to work. and stickon handlebar moustache. | Jul 13 10:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Church of England controversially suggests women may be human http://is.gd/dq9KE | Jul 13 10:55 | |
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| *DaemonFC ports MinceR to Mono as MinceR-cil | Jul 13 12:53 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 12:53 |
| *MinceR is not sufficiently portable | Jul 13 12:55 | |
| *DaemonFC makes MinceR a VB.NET project just for that | Jul 13 12:57 | |
| oiaohm | Its fun watching mono. | Jul 13 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Failure of .net was always going to happen. | Jul 13 12:57 |
| *MinceR is not possible to implement in basic | Jul 13 12:57 | |
| oiaohm | MS included so much windows only stuff in .net that is not portable. | Jul 13 12:57 |
| oiaohm | MS learnt nothing from java blocking them. | Jul 13 12:58 |
| *DaemonFC smacks oiaohm with libgdiplus | Jul 13 13:03 | |
| oiaohm | Have you need the speed costs of that. DaemonFC | Jul 13 13:14 |
| oiaohm | Basicallly don't smack me with one of the things that makes apps designed for windows running under mono be a snail. | Jul 13 13:15 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee uses it extensively :) | Jul 13 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Yep one of the reasons why it used about 4 times the cpu it should todo what it does. | Jul 13 13:16 |
| oiaohm | Incompdabile data structs are not something with a light price. | Jul 13 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | I tried out that baton I ordered on a training dummy | Jul 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think he'll be threatening anyone again :/ | Jul 13 13:18 |
| MinceR | i don't think he ever did | Jul 13 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | well I'm sure he couldn't now :) | Jul 13 13:19 |
| MinceR | maniac. | Jul 13 13:20 |
| MinceR | i've found some (alpha) solution to the JVM's startup time: NailGun. | Jul 13 13:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Netscape 4 | Jul 13 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | Starting Java..... | Jul 13 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Jul 13 13:25 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: micro$oft | Jul 13 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | please wait all day for your applet to load | Jul 13 13:25 |
| MinceR | Killing Java.....[failed] | Jul 13 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | then watch the browser crash | Jul 13 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think they succeeded | Jul 13 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used any Java applications in years | Jul 13 13:26 |
| MinceR | you use .net instead | Jul 13 13:26 |
| MinceR | but you're an mvp | Jul 13 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | Java is slow | Jul 13 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | you want to talk slow bloated pig | Jul 13 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | try something like Azureus | Jul 13 13:27 |
| MinceR | hello, slow bloated pig | Jul 13 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | I've never even seen a Mono app that felt like I was driving a tank | Jul 13 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | every Java app seems that way | Jul 13 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | even the boring ones like bittorrent clients | Jul 13 13:28 |
| MinceR | somebody write a tank simulator in c# for DaemonFC | Jul 13 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think Vala has more of a future than Mono or Java | Jul 13 13:29 |
| MinceR | i think C++ has more of a future than vala, mono or java | Jul 13 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | as far as desktop apps are concerned | Jul 13 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | Mono and Java are both too heavy | Jul 13 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's just that Java is worse | Jul 13 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, When your bittorrent client swells to over 300 MB of RAM use with just a few torrents running, you know something is wrong | Jul 13 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | I've never seen Transmission do that | Jul 13 13:37 |
| MinceR | they said they're replacing the memory management part | Jul 13 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/07/13/health/main6673320.shtml?tag=topnews | Jul 13 13:40 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I told the doctor I trust the cholesterol more than the drug companies | Jul 13 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 13 13:42 |
| oiaohm | O boy you are lucky DaemonFC | Jul 13 13:42 |
| MinceR | did the doctor find it funny too? | Jul 13 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jul 13 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 13:42 |
| oiaohm | There is a person who drops by who is a real java lover. | Jul 13 13:42 |
| MinceR | afaik it's about lipoproteins anyway, not cholesterol | Jul 13 13:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] OMG! Suddenly all problems with multimonitor gone! Last kernel update did the trick :-) #fedora 13 | Jul 13 13:43 | |
| oiaohm | Vala will be interesting. | Jul 13 13:43 |
| MinceR | when? | Jul 13 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | the doctors like to stick you on drugs when you're not even that far over the "normal" range | Jul 13 13:43 |
| oiaohm | C++ and Vala both have futures in there own ways. | Jul 13 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | they get more bribes that way I guess | Jul 13 13:43 |
| oiaohm | C++ started off like Vala MinceR | Jul 13 13:43 |
| MinceR | except C++ never was a half-assed thing | Jul 13 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 13 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | right | Jul 13 13:44 |
| MinceR | like objective-c and vala are | Jul 13 13:44 |
| MinceR | and like java started | Jul 13 13:44 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: C++ was an attempt to correct objective-c | Jul 13 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Note the word attempt. | Jul 13 13:44 |
| MinceR | C++ never had the "oh, let's leave this thing out because it's so difficult to implement" design phylosophy | Jul 13 13:45 |
| oiaohm | C++ still has a lot of issues. | Jul 13 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Really? | Jul 13 13:45 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: quite successful attempt then | Jul 13 13:45 |
| oiaohm | You really need to look at early versions of C++ | Jul 13 13:45 |
| MinceR | for one, C++ doesn't look like C with an insane preprocessor | Jul 13 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Early C++ did | Jul 13 13:45 |
| MinceR | s/hyl/hil/ | Jul 13 13:45 |
| MinceR | the syntax? | Jul 13 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/13/windows_7_server_2008_sp1/ | Jul 13 13:46 |
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| oiaohm | One thing I was thankful for was tye day main inside a class died out of C++ as a requirement. MinceR | Jul 13 13:46 |
| MinceR | that must have been ages ago | Jul 13 13:46 |
| oiaohm | When C++ was still just a preprocessor before using a C complier yes ages ago. MinceR | Jul 13 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Ie when C++ was as the same tech level as Vala is nwo. | Jul 13 13:47 |
| MinceR | did C++ have templates and multiple inheritance back then? | Jul 13 13:47 |
| oiaohm | templates no they came latter and multiple inheritance was dicey. | Jul 13 13:48 |
| MinceR | yes, language implementors who are pussies like to say that :> | Jul 13 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Jul 13 13:49 |
| oiaohm | But templated were planed to come into existance at the time MinceR | Jul 13 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6587/screenshotyq.png | Jul 13 13:49 |
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| DaemonFC | rofl? | Jul 13 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Making stuff work is a painful process. MinceR | Jul 13 13:50 |
| oiaohm | I have done a lot of computer history. | Jul 13 13:50 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: m$ can't be trusted. what else is new? :> | Jul 13 13:50 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: there are those who do it and there are those who whine about it. | Jul 13 13:50 |
| MinceR | one of those categories changes history. :> | Jul 13 13:51 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if Empathy will ever not suck | Jul 13 13:51 | |
| *MinceR wonders if he'll ever care about empathy | Jul 13 13:52 | |
| oiaohm | Exactly way did C++ take off over object C. | Jul 13 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie C++ was close enough to C that C coders could use it without major headaches and MS backed it. | Jul 13 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Vala stands a chance because it close enought to .net and C to two groups can posibley use it. | Jul 13 13:53 |
| MinceR | C++ looked like an OOP C; Objective-C looked like C that was abducted by aliens and probed | Jul 13 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Note C is most common OS developer lang. To make stuff work dependable you need to be able to understand people explaining low level problems. | Jul 13 13:54 |
| oiaohm | That is where Java runs into some problems. | Jul 13 13:55 |
| oiaohm | MS .net also runs into some problems. MS idea is to split core and desktop developers. | Jul 13 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Vala and C++ are both close to the sweet spot for effectiveness. | Jul 13 13:55 |
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| DaemonFC | "The only thing worse than a sore loser, is a sore loser with an attorney on retainer!" | Jul 13 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 13 14:13 |
| MinceR | "an"? :> | Jul 13 14:13 |
| MinceR | not a whole army of lawyers? | Jul 13 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?148101-Retractable-Baton-vs-Pepper-Spray&p=2392516 | Jul 13 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 13 14:17 |
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| MinceR | retractable pepper spray | Jul 13 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | people are wimps | Jul 13 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | a taser can't possibly be much worse than touching an electric fence | Jul 13 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | oh no, I was in moderate discomfort for 3 seconds! | Jul 13 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 14:22 |
| MinceR | except that you reflexively recoil from the latter, while the former embeds its electrodes into your skin | Jul 13 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Again depends on the taser and the electric fence. | Jul 13 14:22 |
| MinceR | and fries you as long as the electronics feels like | Jul 13 14:22 |
| oiaohm | I have seen someone get there hand stuck to a electric fence. | Jul 13 14:23 |
| MinceR | right, now i remember that even electric fences are specifically controlled so that you can recoil | Jul 13 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes the bugger was malfunctioning. | Jul 13 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Mine has a setting where you can lay it on the ground and it'll keep shocking the guy for 30 minutes | Jul 13 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 13 14:23 |
| MinceR | they could fry you if they didn't care | Jul 13 14:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: see, electric fences rarely do that. | Jul 13 14:23 |
| oiaohm | 4 hours stuck to an electric fence | Jul 13 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Not funny. | Jul 13 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Makes taser look like a joke. | Jul 13 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Ie limited batteries. | Jul 13 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Ie malfunction electric fence unit is down right scary. | Jul 13 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | the only time I've used pepper spray was on the neighbor's dog | Jul 13 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Also I have seen mil grade electric fences as well. | Jul 13 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Warning touch this you die kind of stuff. | Jul 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | buckshot works better. | Jul 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | on dogs, that is. | Jul 13 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, I think I'd rather get tasered than struck over the head with an ASP baton | Jul 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | ew, ASP | Jul 13 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | that's just a guess | Jul 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | you know what's worse than that? | Jul 13 14:25 |
| MinceR | an ASP.NET baton. | Jul 13 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Yes taser is better than baton unless you have a pace maker that does not like the taser. | Jul 13 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | the taser is probably safer for the user and the attacker | Jul 13 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Tasers still kill. | Jul 13 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Just less. | Jul 13 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | with the baton, you could break some bones, but yo ualso risk having them manage to grab it and use it on you | Jul 13 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Really you want a judge dred class weapon. | Jul 13 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | double whammy! | Jul 13 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 13 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Take it the weapon tasers you. | Jul 13 14:27 |
| oiaohm | I have used metal storm pistols with a trigger ring. | Jul 13 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie no ring no fire. | Jul 13 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.2000ad.nu/termight/lawgivers.html | Jul 13 14:28 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I would like one | Jul 13 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | if someone disarms you, the gun knows it's not you and shocks the shit out of them | Jul 13 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds pretty cool | Jul 13 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsi5_6W4Z8s | Jul 13 14:30 |
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| oiaohm | I have considered even battons of that calss DaemonFC | Jul 13 14:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Wir zahlen den Wikileaks-Leuten kein Gehalt | Freitag http://bit.ly/cOm2f0 | Jul 13 14:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Hey wait a second, this is the future, where's all the rayguns at?" | Jul 13 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | Demolition Man was another of my favorites :D | Jul 13 14:35 |
| oiaohm | They already exist. DaemonFC | Jul 13 14:35 |
| oiaohm | In two forms. | Jul 13 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Electo magnet pain generators. | Jul 13 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie hit you and turn every pain sensor you have on. | Jul 13 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie mega ouch. | Jul 13 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Jul 13 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | gonna go get a haircut | Jul 13 14:36 |
| *DaemonFC thinks it's growing faster lately :P | Jul 13 14:36 | |
| MinceR | Demolition Man is awesome. | Jul 13 14:36 |
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| MinceR | hmm, i missed the KDE3 sounds. | Jul 13 14:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @BoingBoing: Gary Numan performs "Cars" with an orchestra of actual cars. http://bit.ly/anwQ5q | Jul 13 14:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] More non-news MS advertising on the BBC then, some things never change http://tinyurl.com/24deae9 | Jul 13 14:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Retail signage grammar dilemma http://twitpic.com/24xqwe | Jul 13 15:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Que tal nas ruas das cidades em vez de nas Auto-estrada? ♺ @JNegocios: "Polícias" nas SCUT http://xl.pt/r/aUidg1 | Jul 13 15:09 | |
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| ender2070 | [08:51] <oiaohm> Vala and C++ are both close to the sweet spot for effectiveness. | Jul 13 15:11 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 13 15:11 |
| ender2070 | [08:47] <oiaohm> Ie C++ was close enough to C that C coders could use it without major headaches and MS backed it. | Jul 13 15:11 |
| ender2070 | ummmm | Jul 13 15:11 |
| ender2070 | ok | Jul 13 15:11 |
| ender2070 | oiaohm is jsut a noob | Jul 13 15:11 |
| ender2070 | just a noob | Jul 13 15:11 |
| ender2070 | oh yeah guys, im going to college!!! | Jul 13 15:17 |
| ender2070 | free all expenses paid :D | Jul 13 15:17 |
| MinceR | oh yeah! http://www.comicsbulletin.com/rage/images/050401/koolaidman.jpg | Jul 13 15:18 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] I am going to college! Loan free! | Jul 13 15:19 | |
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| ender2070 | yeah! | Jul 13 15:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] As the say goes, ignorance is bliss! :) ♺ @chrisblizzard: How facts backfire - http://bit.ly/bmdeev (via @dangoor) | Jul 13 15:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[doctorow] Hey, @mpjamesmoore, I thought you were going to "confront" your critics? Bok-bok-bok http://tinyurl.com/2vhawlh #internettoughguy | Jul 13 15:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | much better | Jul 13 15:36 |
| ender2070 | Im so excited, my class starts next monday | Jul 13 15:38 |
| ender2070 | they approved me just in time | Jul 13 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070 is so excited | Jul 13 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | and ender2070 just can't hide it | Jul 13 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 15:39 |
| ender2070 | daemon, get a hold of this | Jul 13 15:39 |
| ender2070 | the government is going to pay me to go to college as if it were a job | Jul 13 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://s0.ilike.com/play#The+Pointer+Sisters:I'm+So+Excited:12580:s2383749.8082345.1248423.0.1.69%2Cstd_d2d4261423e90ee4c83e2e906e7c189d | Jul 13 15:39 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 13 15:39 |
| ender2070 | they are paying tuition, paying for books and paying for my public transit passes | Jul 13 15:39 |
| MinceR | ender2070: how did you accomplish that? | Jul 13 15:39 |
| ender2070 | and its not a loan | Jul 13 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's Canada | Jul 13 15:40 |
| MinceR | for me only tuition was paid from taxes | Jul 13 15:40 |
| ender2070 | I was 'laid off' according to my ROE | Jul 13 15:40 |
| MinceR | not books and not all of the public transport fees | Jul 13 15:40 |
| ender2070 | karma works in my favour | Jul 13 15:40 |
| ender2070 | :) | Jul 13 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, In the US, you get to pay taxes and your own tuition so some minority can go to college for free | Jul 13 15:40 |
| ender2070 | the government has a program for people who are laid off | Jul 13 15:40 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe even take your seat in a class you paid for | Jul 13 15:41 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they wanted it here too | Jul 13 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 13 15:41 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: that is, you get to pay the same taxes as before, but now you also get to pay tuition in addition to that | Jul 13 15:41 |
| MinceR | because hungarian taxpayers looked very much like idiots to our governments | Jul 13 15:41 |
| MinceR | (well, they often are) | Jul 13 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There's some sneaky ways around the extortion | Jul 13 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | some of it anyway | Jul 13 15:41 |
| MinceR | same with healthcare | Jul 13 15:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Spellcheck pass, ok publish! ♺ @31daSarrafada: Jornalismo no seu melhor: Caso BCP: O Bando de Portugal http://bit.ly/d8kF4y | Jul 13 15:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | bigger colleges don't like to mention that community colleges are a cheap way to get the stupid shit out of the way | Jul 13 15:42 |
| ender2070 | there are some downsides though | Jul 13 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | and that your credits transfer | Jul 13 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 15:42 |
| MinceR | we already pay our assess off for taxes, but for some people that's just not enough | Jul 13 15:42 |
| ender2070 | i dont have full freedom to pick what I want | Jul 13 15:42 |
| MinceR | yes, that's one of the big problems with the tax-based system | Jul 13 15:42 |
| ender2070 | it has to be related to what I was already doing | Jul 13 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Democrats? | Jul 13 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | in Hungary? | Jul 13 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | where? :D | Jul 13 15:42 |
| MinceR | i'm all for having people pay for services they use, but then don't take more than half of the added value i produce as taxes | Jul 13 15:43 |
| ender2070 | so ill be getting a ton of certifications to boost the experience I already have | Jul 13 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think that they should either drop our taxes and let everyone pay their own way | Jul 13 15:43 |
| ender2070 | I might even go with the loan based program after I do this one | Jul 13 15:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: out of the two gangs it's always random who wants it | Jul 13 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | or make it free or cheap for everyone with the subsidies :P | Jul 13 15:43 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: indeed | Jul 13 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm tired of getting billed for things I can't even use | Jul 13 15:44 |
| ender2070 | I've never used my student loan so I can take one out in a year or two for a full 3 year program | Jul 13 15:44 |
| MinceR | i'm also tired of getting billed for things other people (who tread on me whenever they can) use | Jul 13 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Now they even want to make me pay for power transmission lines so that people in Illinois and Michigan can use the power generated by those windmills | Jul 13 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | taxes on infrastructure upgrades that only benefit people in states I don't live in | Jul 13 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Jul 13 15:45 |
| ender2070 | after college, i'm going to work for a year or two, save up a bit and take a student loan for a computer science degree | Jul 13 15:46 |
| ender2070 | by then ill know at least one programming language that i'll learn in my free time | Jul 13 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, In the mean time, the power here goes out whenever there's a stiff breeze | Jul 13 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm paying extra so someone in another state can enjoy a modern power grid | Jul 13 15:47 |
| ender2070 | im learning C right now | Jul 13 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, You know what happens when you try to learn C too fast, right? | Jul 13 15:47 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - if the upper percentage doesn't want to fund the power grid Daemon, you have to | Jul 13 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | You'll get C sick | Jul 13 15:47 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - what? | Jul 13 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 15:47 |
| ender2070 | ugh | Jul 13 15:48 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 13 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | joke in the book "Teach Yourself C in 21 days" | Jul 13 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | oddly enough it's the only thing I remembered | Jul 13 15:48 |
| ender2070 | no way | Jul 13 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | way | Jul 13 15:49 |
| ender2070 | oh i dont have that one | Jul 13 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's old | Jul 13 15:49 |
| ender2070 | I have Teach Yourself C++ in 21 days | Jul 13 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | comes with the Borland C compiler for Windows 3.1 | Jul 13 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 13 15:49 |
| ender2070 | and Teach Yourself Java 6 in 21 days | Jul 13 15:49 |
| MinceR | i have Thinking In C++ | Jul 13 15:49 |
| ender2070 | these 21 days books are misleading | Jul 13 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | I need "Teach yourself how to crack some neo-hippie skull like an egg in 5 minutes" | Jul 13 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | that guy downstairs is being an ass again | Jul 13 15:50 |
| MinceR | and Thinking In Java, and Thinking In Enterprise Java (but that's in development) | Jul 13 15:50 |
| ender2070 | sure 21 days, if u can keep up with it | Jul 13 15:50 |
| ender2070 | you need more than a day to figure out pointers, imo | Jul 13 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I've heard bad things about C++ | Jul 13 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | unreadable code | Jul 13 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | easy to make a program with lots of bugs | Jul 13 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | and memory leaks | Jul 13 15:50 |
| ender2070 | you'll hear bad things about every language | Jul 13 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | Linus Torvalds is apparently not a great fan of C++ either | Jul 13 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | and Windows NT was largely built with it | Jul 13 15:51 |
| ender2070 | so | Jul 13 15:51 |
| ender2070 | hes not apparently a great fan of freedom either | Jul 13 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | so I think it probably really is that bad | Jul 13 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox was built with it too | Jul 13 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | eww | Jul 13 15:51 |
| ender2070 | GCC is switching to c++ | Jul 13 15:51 |
| ender2070 | compiz switched to c++ | Jul 13 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but the thing about C++ is.... | Jul 13 15:52 |
| ender2070 | KDE uses c++ | Jul 13 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | you can use 99% C and 1% C++ extras | Jul 13 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | and it's still a C++ app | Jul 13 15:52 |
| ender2070 | its designed that way | Jul 13 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | saying it's C++ tells you nothing about how extensively C++ is is | Jul 13 15:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: does it matter? | Jul 13 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Yeah | Jul 13 15:53 |
| ender2070 | not really | Jul 13 15:53 |
| MinceR | C++ is about pragmatism, not New Hammer Syndrome | Jul 13 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | cause you can use just enough to pad a resume | Jul 13 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | and stay out of the C++ bits wherever possible | Jul 13 15:53 |
| ender2070 | besides, most employers want C and Java | Jul 13 15:53 |
| MinceR | if you do that, you're only hurting yourself | Jul 13 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I had to use Windows NT 4.0 | Jul 13 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | up until 2007 | Jul 13 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 15:53 |
| ender2070 | so? | Jul 13 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | businesses keep crap going because the crap is expensive to replace | Jul 13 15:54 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: winblows is not the same as C++ | Jul 13 15:54 |
| ender2070 | you've had a rock solid system | Jul 13 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | even if there's better crap out there | Jul 13 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 13 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | Windows NT 4 is scary | Jul 13 15:54 |
| ender2070 | theres nothing wrong with nt4 | Jul 13 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'm afraid to go to sleep because Windows NT 4 might be hiding under the bed | Jul 13 15:55 |
| ender2070 | i know people who use nt4 and the latest apache | Jul 13 15:55 |
| MinceR | there are lots wrong with winblows nt 4 | Jul 13 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 was like a dream come true after Windows NT 4 | Jul 13 15:55 |
| MinceR | c++ is not one of them | Jul 13 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | but that's not saying a lot | Jul 13 15:55 |
| ender2070 | the problems with nt4 are general and cover all flavours | Jul 13 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's like saying you're rather get your hand stuck in a car door than your dick | Jul 13 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 15:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] ODF 1.2 Begins Final 60-day Public Review http://goo.gl/fb/aHF9P | Jul 13 15:56 | |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 13 15:56 |
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| ender2070 | windows itself is a problem, any version | Jul 13 15:56 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 13 15:56 |
| ender2070 | but out of all the versions nt4 and 2k were the better ones | Jul 13 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 2000 is the closest Windows has ever gotten to working well | Jul 13 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | in my opinion | Jul 13 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | everything since then has been a regression | Jul 13 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | layer upon layer of crap | Jul 13 15:56 |
| ender2070 | yeah thats true | Jul 13 15:57 |
| ender2070 | i think they do it on purpose | Jul 13 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is the best example I can think of of bullet point engineering | Jul 13 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | they can't stop piling on crap or else there's no list of shiny "features" in the new version they want you to buy | Jul 13 15:57 |
| ender2070 | I think I remember hearing or reading about how microsoft hires most of its programmers on contract | Jul 13 15:58 |
| ender2070 | which makes you think, is that why vista took forever? | Jul 13 15:58 |
| ender2070 | and why its so bloated | Jul 13 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | and every version is "faster" even though the system requirements go up anywhere between 3-5 fold | Jul 13 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 15:58 |
| ender2070 | new people coming in and adding layers without touching the old layers because the code is probably horrific | Jul 13 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, No, what they have done is added new stuff and built on top of that to emulate the behavior of the bad old stuff | Jul 13 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | to appease bad old applications | Jul 13 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 15:59 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 13 15:59 |
| ender2070 | windows needs to kill off that old shit | Jul 13 15:59 |
| ender2070 | apple does it | Jul 13 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | the new stuff in Windows Vista/7 works much better than the old stuff in XP | Jul 13 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | where it all goes screwy is the backward compatibility crap | Jul 13 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | the shims they add to keep bad software like Firefox happy | Jul 13 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | while it takes Mozilla 2-3 years to release a version that works well with their new features | Jul 13 16:00 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 13 16:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Shudder... connecting to with x3270 to you know what... *shudder* | Jul 13 16:01 | |
| ender2070 | I found out Chrome is the only browser on windows that uses all the security features in the OS | Jul 13 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Think about it | Jul 13 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox 4 is going to be the first version that takes advantage of anything new added to Windows in the last 9 years | Jul 13 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | to any significant extent | Jul 13 16:01 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 13 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is bloated and slow | Jul 13 16:02 |
| ender2070 | yup | Jul 13 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not being fixed fast enough to keep up with anything other than IE | Jul 13 16:03 |
| ender2070 | even on my quad core its sluggish imo | Jul 13 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | hell, even Safari is overtaking it now | Jul 13 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | Safari on Windows | Jul 13 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 16:03 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 13 16:04 |
| ender2070 | and consider this | Jul 13 16:04 |
| ender2070 | firefox spies on you too with google | Jul 13 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | It's just not looking good for Firefox these days | Jul 13 16:04 |
| ender2070 | so you might as well use the better browser | Jul 13 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome is blazing fast | Jul 13 16:04 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 13 16:04 |
| ender2070 | I like chromium though, the open source one | Jul 13 16:04 |
| MinceR | yes, you might as well use the browser that renders fonts correctly, i.e. Firefox :> | Jul 13 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome displays elements on the page almost as fast as your connection can bring them in | Jul 13 16:04 |
| ender2070 | I like the way chrome renders fonts | Jul 13 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox makes your DSL feel like AOLO | Jul 13 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | *AOL | Jul 13 16:05 |
| ender2070 | those fonts are easier to read on LCD screens | Jul 13 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's not reasonable | Jul 13 16:05 |
| MinceR | so you dislike the way the rest of the system renders fonts? :> | Jul 13 16:05 |
| ender2070 | I'd like the rest of the system to copy chrome | Jul 13 16:05 |
| MinceR | hinting is possible to setup on X | Jul 13 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't noticed any bizarre font problems with Chrome | Jul 13 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | on Linux or on Windows | Jul 13 16:05 |
| MinceR | then what chrome does is not the right way to do that | Jul 13 16:05 |
| MinceR | it's bad design to change font rendering in one app and then think about how it could be extended over the rest of the system | Jul 13 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing anyone can agree on is that X has to be bypassed wherever possible | Jul 13 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | I've noticed this | Jul 13 16:06 |
| MinceR | the typical stupid winblows app only replaces the look of the window decorations and widgets | Jul 13 16:06 |
| MinceR | chrome goes one step further and replaces font rendering | Jul 13 16:06 |
| MinceR | (btw so does safari) | Jul 13 16:06 |
| ender2070 | i like it better | Jul 13 16:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: who can agree on that? | Jul 13 16:07 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: winblows and osx fanboys? | Jul 13 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to know where this new 2d acceleration code came from in ATI's driver | Jul 13 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | it actually works | Jul 13 16:07 |
| ender2070 | im not a winblows fanboy | Jul 13 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's as smooth as Nvidia's | Jul 13 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | but it was limping around listlessly and crashing for well over 10 years | Jul 13 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | and then one day it works | Jul 13 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 13 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | amazing | Jul 13 16:08 |
| ender2070 | it'll be nice if they do font rendering properly but I don't mind it the way it is | Jul 13 16:08 |
| ender2070 | and font rendering isn't going to prevent me from using the best browser | Jul 13 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | As far as I'm concerned now ATI has caught up to Nvidia on Linux | Jul 13 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | even surpassed them in a few ways | Jul 13 16:09 |
| ender2070 | unless I can't read the text | Jul 13 16:09 |
| MinceR | so basically ATI is a mere 10 years behind Nvidia and Intel now? | Jul 13 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia doesn't have an yGPU's with native OpenGL support | Jul 13 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | in the hardware | Jul 13 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | their chipsets are power hogs | Jul 13 16:09 |
| ender2070 | what are you talking about | Jul 13 16:09 |
| MinceR | afaik the requirements OpenGL and DirectX puts on the hardware are practically identical | Jul 13 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL 4 | Jul 13 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | they have up to OpenGL 3.2 in hardware | Jul 13 16:10 |
| ender2070 | ok | Jul 13 16:10 |
| MinceR | the manufacturers don't like to put stuff in GPUs that can't be used from one of the APIs | Jul 13 16:10 |
| ender2070 | but ati doesnt even have drivers that function properly | Jul 13 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have anything for sale, NOW, that has OpenGL 4 or DirectX 11 support | Jul 13 16:10 |
| ender2070 | they hack their drivers to cheat on benchmarks | Jul 13 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | most of the stuff they sell doesn't even support DirectX 10.1 fully | Jul 13 16:10 |
| cubezzz | I'm giving vector the thumbs up (so far) | Jul 13 16:10 |
| cubezzz | it's actually based on slack | Jul 13 16:10 |
| MinceR | ATI's driver doesn't work, but hey, it supports OpenGL 4 | Jul 13 16:11 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 13 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Have you tried Catalyst 10.6? | Jul 13 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | it works fine | Jul 13 16:11 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 13 16:11 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - vector I got running on some pretty old hardware | Jul 13 16:11 |
| cubezzz | how old is old? | Jul 13 16:11 |
| ender2070 | pentium 1 | Jul 13 16:11 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i never wanted my video card to fail on one more API, i wanted it to work | Jul 13 16:11 |
| cubezzz | ah, kind of old then :) | Jul 13 16:11 |
| MinceR | so i have Nvidia and Intel | Jul 13 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, 10.6 has completely rewritten their 2d acceleration code | Jul 13 16:11 |
| MinceR | 2D acceleration isn't exactly bleeding edge technology though | Jul 13 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | no more of the knuckle-biting hilarity from the old drivers | Jul 13 16:12 |
| cubezzz | just put a p3 800 system together | Jul 13 16:12 |
| MinceR | it's an embarrassment to ATI that they only got it right now (if they did, that is) | Jul 13 16:12 |
| cubezzz | no one wanted it | Jul 13 16:12 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - cool stuff | Jul 13 16:12 |
| cubezzz | except me :) | Jul 13 16:12 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz - I found my old p3 550mhz thinkpad | Jul 13 16:12 |
| MinceR | nice | Jul 13 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, The old drivers were unusable | Jul 13 16:13 |
| cubezzz | ender2070, do you recell you asking me "why not 2.2"? | Jul 13 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | garbage | Jul 13 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | these are actually alright | Jul 13 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 16:13 |
| cubezzz | well I have a 486 with 2.2 working 100% with X now | Jul 13 16:13 |
| ender2070 | no | Jul 13 16:13 |
| ender2070 | oh nice | Jul 13 16:13 |
| MinceR | why not 2.6? | Jul 13 16:13 |
| cubezzz | ok, maybe it was someone else then | Jul 13 16:13 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, I run everything | Jul 13 16:13 |
| cubezzz | 2.2, 2.4, 2.6 | Jul 13 16:13 |
| ender2070 | back in the day my friend ran a 486 with slackware and enlightenment | Jul 13 16:13 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: why not 2.0? | Jul 13 16:14 |
| ender2070 | in 2000 | Jul 13 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, old driver = Turn on compositing (Kwin or Compiz) and watch your system limp around and crash and conflict with the programs you launch | Jul 13 16:14 |
| MinceR | sounds like fun | Jul 13 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | New driver plays nice with everything | Jul 13 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | even with Compiz on | Jul 13 16:14 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, no need to go that far back and I can't think of anything current at all that uses 2.0 | Jul 13 16:14 |
| cubezzz | I ran 0.97 once upon a time | Jul 13 16:15 |
| ender2070 | do they still release 2.2 kernels? | Jul 13 16:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Today at the Yak Hair Salon, we are compiling PHP 5.3.2 from source with the same ./configure opts as the RHEL5 package. #killcrushdestroy | Jul 13 16:15 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think AMD may be able to salvage the Radeon lineup after all | Jul 13 16:15 |
| cubezzz | not really, just maintainance on 2.2.26 | Jul 13 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | ATI put out some really shoddy drivers | Jul 13 16:15 |
| ender2070 | ah | Jul 13 16:15 |
| ender2070 | they still maintain 2.4 | Jul 13 16:15 |
| cubezzz | the guy in the comupter shop was showing me his Motorola linux phone | Jul 13 16:16 |
| cubezzz | I think Linux has arrived | Jul 13 16:16 |
| cubezzz | it's all over the place | Jul 13 16:16 |
| ender2070 | oh for sure | Jul 13 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | "Sure we support Linux, just install our driver and watch your system turn into the Hindenburg" | Jul 13 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 16:16 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: i can't think of anything current at all that uses 2.2, either :> | Jul 13 16:16 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, well there's BL3 | Jul 13 16:16 |
| cubezzz | BasicLinux 3.5 | Jul 13 16:17 |
| ender2070 | I had an elderly old woman drop off a computer which had opensuse installed | Jul 13 16:17 |
| cubezzz | it's still maintained | Jul 13 16:17 |
| ender2070 | probably a year ago | Jul 13 16:17 |
| MinceR | Motorola Linux phones are closed though, aren't they? | Jul 13 16:17 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, not sure | Jul 13 16:17 |
| MinceR | only a J2ME API is available | Jul 13 16:17 |
| MinceR | before their Android phones | Jul 13 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I never could quite stomach Yast | Jul 13 16:17 |
| ender2070 | I think gnome and kde are easier to learn for older people than windows | Jul 13 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | the rest of the system seemed nice enough | Jul 13 16:17 |
| MinceR | i never could quite stomach opensuse's netinstall | Jul 13 16:18 |
| MinceR | and the screwups that followed | Jul 13 16:18 |
| MinceR | and novell's subservience to m$ | Jul 13 16:18 |
| ender2070 | yast was better before novell | Jul 13 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I'm used to the way Apt treats repositories | Jul 13 16:18 |
| ender2070 | I used to use suse | Jul 13 16:18 |
| cubezzz | vector has this: slapt-get --install xchat | Jul 13 16:18 |
| ender2070 | before opensuse | Jul 13 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | Yast will try to install bits and pieces of thigns from several different repos if you're not careful | Jul 13 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | and blow up your system | Jul 13 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | that and it's SLOW | Jul 13 16:19 |
| ender2070 | I remember opensuse was ok at first but then they added novell bloat (mono, ximian stuff, etc) | Jul 13 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | it blows up your system in slow motion | Jul 13 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | what's worse is it doesn't even warn you until after it wrecks the system and it's unrecoverable | Jul 13 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | then it's like "Oh yeah, uhhhm, you have some, like, conflicts......" | Jul 13 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | "Might want to bust out your installation disc"] | Jul 13 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | That's where OpenSuse is more like Windows than anywhere else | Jul 13 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | they nailed that one | Jul 13 16:21 |
| MinceR | "Might want to bust out your Debian installation disc" | Jul 13 16:21 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Jul 13 16:21 |
| ender2070 | "Might want to bust out your Fedora installation disc' | Jul 13 16:22 |
| MinceR | if you like ext4, that is | Jul 13 16:22 |
| ender2070 | and btrfs | Jul 13 16:22 |
| ender2070 | I do | Jul 13 16:22 |
| MinceR | because no matter what you want, ext4 is what you're gonna get | Jul 13 16:22 |
| MinceR | or an error message | Jul 13 16:22 |
| MinceR | and once ext4 kills your files, it's back to... | Jul 13 16:23 |
| MinceR | "Might want to bust out your Debian installation disc" | Jul 13 16:23 |
| ender2070 | FUD | Jul 13 16:23 |
| MinceR | which one? | Jul 13 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | some people like data loss and hacks built into the file system to compensate for naughty programs | Jul 13 16:23 |
| ender2070 | if ext4 were that bad, RHEL6 wouldn't have it | Jul 13 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | They'd LOVE NTFS | Jul 13 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | if they just gave it a chance | Jul 13 16:23 |
| MinceR | fact: ext4 was designed to be fast, not to be reliable | Jul 13 16:23 |
| MinceR | look up their priorities | Jul 13 16:23 |
| MinceR | it was hacked up later to not kill files so easily and often | Jul 13 16:23 |
| ender2070 | more like | Jul 13 16:23 |
| MinceR | that's no way to design a filesystem | Jul 13 16:24 |
| MinceR | /dev/null already does what they wanted to do, and it does that better | Jul 13 16:24 |
| ender2070 | "If you want to use software designed when Windows XP came out, Might want to bust out your Debian installation disc" | Jul 13 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, And then they lost a lot of their performance advantages over Ext3 anyway | Jul 13 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | so now you have an unreliable file system that's not even that much faster :P | Jul 13 16:24 |
| ender2070 | I think Debian is finally going to get KDE4, 2 years after it was released | Jul 13 16:24 |
| MinceR | btw, f13 didn't even let me select btrfs, despite the btrfs boot parameter | Jul 13 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Sidux | Jul 13 16:25 |
| ender2070 | Sidux != Debian | Jul 13 16:25 |
| MinceR | sidux has a rolling release model, which is a recipe for failure | Jul 13 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | what's so bad about that? | Jul 13 16:25 |
| MinceR | ender2070: so Debian is still going to get KDE4 before KDE4 is ready for release? | Jul 13 16:25 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - gotta use the dvd for btrfs | Jul 13 16:25 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: if you don't update for a long time, there's no guarantee your system will even be possible to update | Jul 13 16:26 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - KDE4 has been in Fedora for 2 years | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Did you know that KD 4.1 is ready for KDE 3.5 users? | Jul 13 16:26 |
| ender2070 | it is ready for release | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Did you know that KD 4.2 is ready for KDE 3.5 users? | Jul 13 16:26 |
| MinceR | ender2070: the dvd which can't find itself even though the check succeeds? | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Did you know that KD 4.3 is ready for KDE 3.5 users? | Jul 13 16:26 |
| MinceR | fun | Jul 13 16:26 |
| ender2070 | typical debian bullshit | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Did you know that KD 4.4 is ready for KDE 3.5 users? | Jul 13 16:26 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: it's not | Jul 13 16:26 |
| ender2070 | 'its not ready' | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | so is 4.5!! | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | Honest! | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 13 16:26 |
| MinceR | ender2070: no, it's my experience | Jul 13 16:26 |
| MinceR | i've been using 4.3 for a while | Jul 13 16:26 |
| ender2070 | Debian just likes older software | Jul 13 16:26 |
| MinceR | and got fed up with plasma suckage | Jul 13 16:26 |
| ender2070 | 4.3 is old | Jul 13 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, 4.anything is a catastrophe | Jul 13 16:27 |
| ender2070 | nobody should be using it | Jul 13 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | period | Jul 13 16:27 |
| MinceR | ender2070: so is linux 2.2 | Jul 13 16:27 |
| MinceR | yet i don't hear you complaining about yourself | Jul 13 16:27 |
| MinceR | or basic linux | Jul 13 16:27 |
| ender2070 | i dont use those | Jul 13 16:27 |
| ender2070 | cubezzz does | Jul 13 16:27 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: i'm starting to think so | Jul 13 16:27 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: even "D&D" 4.x is a catastrophe | Jul 13 16:27 |
| ender2070 | KDE 4.5 is going to be amazing | Jul 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | release a catastrophe, label it as a final version, use your loyal users as guinea pigs, fix it one patch at a time, then break it all over again and say the version that kind of works now is unsupported | Jul 13 16:28 |
| ender2070 | im running it right now, its sick | Jul 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | that's KDE's release model | Jul 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | (and someone elses too!) | Jul 13 16:28 |
| MinceR | yes, it's sick | Jul 13 16:28 |
| MinceR | i want it to get better | Jul 13 16:28 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc - you didnt read the release notes | Jul 13 16:28 |
| ender2070 | 4.0 was a developer release | Jul 13 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | oh bullshit | Jul 13 16:29 |
| MinceR | and so was 4.1, and 4.2, and 4.3 | Jul 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | that doesn't explain the others | Jul 13 16:29 |
| ender2070 | I read the release notes | Jul 13 16:29 |
| ender2070 | it was officially a developer release | Jul 13 16:29 |
| ender2070 | 4.0 | Jul 13 16:29 |
| ender2070 | they had a chicken or egg problem they had to solve | Jul 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 4 will be reliable, fast, and relatively glitch free in time for 5.0 | Jul 13 16:29 |
| ender2070 | the app devs wanted 4.0 out before they would port | Jul 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | no doubt | Jul 13 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | that's what happened with KDE 3 | Jul 13 16:29 |
| ender2070 | and 4.0 needed apps | Jul 13 16:29 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and that's the version of KDE4 you won't see in any distro | Jul 13 16:30 |
| MinceR | because they'll ship KDE 5.0 | Jul 13 16:30 |
| ender2070 | Fedora has the latest KDE4 | Jul 13 16:30 |
| ender2070 | because they arent retards | Jul 13 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 3.5 has been forked | Jul 13 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | jsut so you know | Jul 13 16:30 |
| ender2070 | good | Jul 13 16:30 |
| MinceR | if they aren't retards, why can't they develop an installer that works? | Jul 13 16:30 |
| ender2070 | i hope they stop calling it KDE | Jul 13 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | enough people think so little of KDE 4 that they're patching up 3.5 so it continues to work | Jul 13 16:30 |
| ender2070 | so people can shut the fuck up about their obsolete kde 3 | Jul 13 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | I used KDE for quite some time because GNOME was disgusting and buggy and slow | Jul 13 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | they've switched roles | Jul 13 16:31 |
| ender2070 | I switched from KDE3 to Gnome | Jul 13 16:31 |
| ender2070 | then Gnome to KDE4 | Jul 13 16:31 |
| MinceR | GNOME is still disgusting and buggy and slow | Jul 13 16:32 |
| ender2070 | i have no intention of ever using KDE3 | Jul 13 16:32 |
| MinceR | but now it also lacks all the features it had | Jul 13 16:32 |
| ender2070 | i'll use XFCE or LXDE, or IceWM before I go back to KDE3 or Gnome | Jul 13 16:32 |
| MinceR | maybe i'll end up using FVWM | Jul 13 16:32 |
| ender2070 | FVWM ftw | Jul 13 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I don't actually seem to have too many problems out of GNOME | Jul 13 16:32 |
| MinceR | and components that can actually withstand being used outside the DE they were designed for | Jul 13 16:32 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so you don't have compiz crashing X left and right? | Jul 13 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | now if I go into KDE, I can't even make my webcam work | Jul 13 16:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] just saw Qt-Creator's code. OMG. Huge code for even simple drag and drop. I will web. Don't know if I can code Desktop app ever #web | Jul 13 16:33 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Nope | Jul 13 16:33 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: or compiz locking your mouse when you try to zoom on a dualhead setup? | Jul 13 16:33 |
| MinceR | that one's fun | Jul 13 16:33 |
| MinceR | getting out of it is a puzzle | Jul 13 16:33 |
| ender2070 | kwin > compiz | Jul 13 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, bad drivers will trip Compiz up | Jul 13 16:33 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: bad drivers have nothing to do with compiz failing at dualhead | Jul 13 16:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Tux wallpaper. really incredible, http://designora.com/graphics/tux-linux-wallpaper/ #tux #wallpaper #linux #penguin | Jul 13 16:34 | |
| MinceR | that's when i switched to KDE4 | Jul 13 16:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Best of Tux: 75+ Wallpaper Designs Featuring the Linux Mascot - Flash Web Design and Design Photography | DesignOra .::. Size~: 58.68 KB | Jul 13 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather shut down Compiz and use Metacity than use KDE 4 | Jul 13 16:34 |
| MinceR | lol, metacity | Jul 13 16:34 |
| ender2070 | ROFLMAO | Jul 13 16:34 |
| MinceR | The Window Manager With Even Less Features!(tm) | Jul 13 16:34 |
| ender2070 | why not just use Gnome 2.0 | Jul 13 16:34 |
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| ender2070 | hey thats a great idea | Jul 13 16:34 |
| ender2070 | lets recompile Gnome 2.0 and rerelease it as a new version | Jul 13 16:35 |
| ender2070 | instantly we'll get more features | Jul 13 16:35 |
| ender2070 | :) | Jul 13 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | Metacity's focus is on simplicity and usability rather than novelties. Its author has characterized it as a "Boring window manager for the adult in you. Many window managers are like Marshmallow Froot Loops; Metacity is like Cheerios." | Jul 13 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 13 16:35 |
| MinceR | i remember when gnome actually let you choose window managers from the Gnome Control Center | Jul 13 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacity | Jul 13 16:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Metacity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 53.69 KB | Jul 13 16:35 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: guess what, the adult in me likes to manage windows efficiently, not to emulate winblows or osx | Jul 13 16:35 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - the code is still there! grab an old version and bring it back | Jul 13 16:36 |
| MinceR | ender2070: can't be bothered, at least not yet | Jul 13 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | KDE is like a broken schizoid bastard child of Windows and OS X | Jul 13 16:36 |
| MinceR | wrong | Jul 13 16:36 |
| ender2070 | we call it the 'Troll' desktop | Jul 13 16:36 |
| cubezzz | what? KDE is fine | Jul 13 16:36 |
| MinceR | KDE used to be fine | Jul 13 16:36 |
| cubezzz | just use 3.5.10 | Jul 13 16:36 |
| ender2070 | daemonfc is a troll anyways | Jul 13 16:36 |
| MinceR | while features and stability still mattered | Jul 13 16:36 |
| MinceR | GNOME used to be fine, while they were copying KDE, not MacOS | Jul 13 16:37 |
| ender2070 | Gnome copies Microsoft and Apple too | Jul 13 16:37 |
| MinceR | while m$ copies KDE | Jul 13 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see where | Jul 13 16:37 |
| ender2070 | Mono? | Jul 13 16:37 |
| MinceR | and crApple just uses the few bits they stole from Xerox | Jul 13 16:37 |
| ender2070 | Docky? (OSX) | Jul 13 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME does not depend on Mono | Jul 13 16:37 |
| cubezzz | Vector/Mepis probably others use 3.5.10 also | Jul 13 16:37 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - gnome ships mono, upstream | Jul 13 16:38 |
| ender2070 | :P | Jul 13 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Docky is not part of GNOME | Jul 13 16:38 |
| cubezzz | anyways make your own distro then if you don't like it :) | Jul 13 16:38 |
| MinceR | right, they stole the dock since | Jul 13 16:38 |
| MinceR | dunno where from | Jul 13 16:38 |
| ender2070 | Gnome ships tomboy | Jul 13 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Tomboy is not a critical feature | Jul 13 16:38 |
| MinceR | i guess Arthur and RISC OS already had a functional equivalent long ago | Jul 13 16:38 |
| ender2070 | it ships it | Jul 13 16:38 |
| ender2070 | default | Jul 13 16:38 |
| ender2070 | with mono | Jul 13 16:38 |
| ender2070 | so stfu and stop being wrong | Jul 13 16:38 |
| MinceR | tomboy is a trojan | Jul 13 16:38 |
| MinceR | in the legal sense | Jul 13 16:38 |
| DaemonFC | Mono is not required for any important part of GNOME | Jul 13 16:38 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFc - do you understand what Default means? | Jul 13 16:39 |
| MinceR | GNOME itself is not important :> | Jul 13 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | you could ship it without GNOME and Tomboy and nobody would know the difference | Jul 13 16:39 |
| ender2070 | it means you have to ask not to have it | Jul 13 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | ship GNOME without Mono and Tomboy | Jul 13 16:39 |
| cubezzz | just use xdm :) | Jul 13 16:39 |
| MinceR | i prefer kdm and gdm to xdm | Jul 13 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Default is what no distribution actually uses anyway | Jul 13 16:39 |
| MinceR | they have user choosers and session choosers :) | Jul 13 16:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: wrong again | Jul 13 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that ship Tomboy ship Tomboy and the ones that don't, don't | Jul 13 16:40 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - default is one of the distributions excuses for including it | Jul 13 16:40 |
| DaemonFC | and GNOME can't do shit about it? | Jul 13 16:40 |
| ender2070 | ubuntu said it was there because gnome shipped it, and had no good reason not to | Jul 13 16:40 |
| MinceR | the ones that ship tomboy happen to ship it by default in the exact same way gnome does | Jul 13 16:40 |
| cubezzz | I was running xmahjongg on 486 last night | Jul 13 16:40 |
| cubezzz | worked fine | Jul 13 16:40 |
| cubezzz | pretty modern xmahjonngg too | Jul 13 16:40 |
| ender2070 | fedora used to ship it, because it was default | Jul 13 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | an entire runtime environment dedicated to a note taking widget, on a limited-space LiveCD that is missing important things | Jul 13 16:41 |
| ender2070 | they removed it because its too big for the livecd | Jul 13 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | that makes no sense | Jul 13 16:41 |
| MinceR | don't worry, they'll remove gimp to make room for it | Jul 13 16:41 |
| cubezzz | the p3 even had one ISA slot which is nice to have | Jul 13 16:41 |
| ender2070 | if you want a distro to carry mono apps your first target is the gnome foundation | Jul 13 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't ship Tomboy if I had my own LiveCD distro | Jul 13 16:41 |
| MinceR | your second target is canonical | Jul 13 16:41 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 13 16:41 |
| MinceR | at least as long as people can actually tell the difference between those | Jul 13 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | because devoting another 100 megs to Mono jsut for that is stupid regardless | Jul 13 16:42 |
| ender2070 | novell suse is too obvious and its not a target because they own it already | Jul 13 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that really pissed me off | Jul 13 16:42 |
| DaemonFC | removing GIMP to keep Mono | Jul 13 16:42 |
| cubezzz | the install should really adapt itself to any hardware | Jul 13 16:42 |
| cubezzz | e.g. old computer? put icewm on | Jul 13 16:42 |
| MinceR | and if they need more space, they'll also remove openoffice | Jul 13 16:42 |
| ender2070 | removing GIMP to keep Mono makes sense if you look at the long wrong | Jul 13 16:42 |
| MinceR | and tell you to use google docs instead | Jul 13 16:42 |
| ender2070 | I knew they would develop a gimp clone in mono | Jul 13 16:43 |
| cubezzz | the install should be smarter | Jul 13 16:43 |
| cubezzz | installer | Jul 13 16:43 |
| ender2070 | I thought it would be paint.net but thats too obvious, so they renamed it Pinta | Jul 13 16:43 |
| ender2070 | to confuse noobs | Jul 13 16:43 |
| MinceR | i wonder what other important apps could they remove to make room for mono | Jul 13 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get using the retarded .NET clone in favor of native apps | Jul 13 16:43 |
| MinceR | all web browsers, perhaps -- they aren't important either, are they? | Jul 13 16:43 |
| ender2070 | we'll see Pinta in Ubuntu before we see GIMP again | Jul 13 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | but whatever | Jul 13 16:43 |
| ender2070 | once there is a mono based web browser, firefox will see it leaving | Jul 13 16:44 |
| MinceR | or mail clients -- who uses those anyway? | Jul 13 16:44 |
| MinceR | not only firefox | Jul 13 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | does Canonical want to be sued? | Jul 13 16:44 |
| cubezzz | eh? | Jul 13 16:44 |
| MinceR | also epiphany and konqueror | Jul 13 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | do they think they won't be? | Jul 13 16:44 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 13 16:44 |
| cubezzz | dude, you've been working too hard :) | Jul 13 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | what is their reasoning for this? | Jul 13 16:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: perhaps they want to make a patent deal | Jul 13 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | they've avoided doing so | Jul 13 16:44 |
| cubezzz | next thing you'll be saying text mode doesn't matter | Jul 13 16:44 |
| MinceR | <m$> hey, canonical, you're infringing on our patents | Jul 13 16:44 |
| MinceR | <canonical> all right, let's make a deal then | Jul 13 16:45 |
| ender2070 | perhaps canonical thinks the community promise is ok | Jul 13 16:45 |
| MinceR | m$ . o O ( just as planned ) | Jul 13 16:45 |
| ender2070 | ROFL | Jul 13 16:45 |
| MinceR | canonical . o O ( just as planned ) | Jul 13 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinta_(disease) | Jul 13 16:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Pinta (disease) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 37.61 KB | Jul 13 16:45 |
| ender2070 | ROFLMAO Pinta is a disease too? | Jul 13 16:45 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: just like Mononucleosis? | Jul 13 16:45 |
| cubezzz | haha | Jul 13 16:45 |
| cubezzz | two diseases | Jul 13 16:45 |
| cubezzz | I knew there was a reason I didn't like it | Jul 13 16:46 |
| MinceR | maybe they're mocking us | Jul 13 16:46 |
| MinceR | deliberately naming mono stuff after diseases | Jul 13 16:46 |
| MinceR | expecting nobody to notice | Jul 13 16:46 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft's Newest OS: Cancerous Bloat | Jul 13 16:46 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 13 16:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 13 16:46 |
| ender2070 | Cancerous Bloat | Jul 13 16:46 |
| ender2070 | I love it | Jul 13 16:47 |
| MinceR | no, that's Microsoft Novell's latest Microsoft Linux release | Jul 13 16:47 |
| ender2070 | Cancerous Bloat 8 - Ultimate Infection | Jul 13 16:47 |
| cubezzz | too funny | Jul 13 16:47 |
| ender2070 | Cancerous Bloat 8 - Home Premium Infection | Jul 13 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | Pinta is kind of small | Jul 13 16:47 |
| ender2070 | etc | Jul 13 16:47 |
| MinceR | Microsoft Linux, SuSE Edition release 8 "Cancerous Bloat" Ultimate Enterprise Infection Pro | Jul 13 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | "Repository size:1.6 MiB" | Jul 13 16:47 |
| cubezzz | I had to use Windows 7 yesterday, yuck | Jul 13 16:48 |
| ender2070 | w/ Patent Pack 6.5 | Jul 13 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, No Service Packs? | Jul 13 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | You disappoint me | Jul 13 16:48 |
| ender2070 | or Patent Pack 6.5 Extreme Edition | Jul 13 16:48 |
| MinceR | Now With Even More Intellectual Property Protection For Your Peace Of Mind! | Jul 13 16:48 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: not yet | Jul 13 16:48 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: only after the first few thousand idiots install it | Jul 13 16:49 |
| MinceR | More Promises From Microsoft! | Jul 13 16:49 |
| cubezzz | New Ultimate MicroFat Bloat: No one has enough memory to run it | Jul 13 16:49 |
| ender2070 | Now comes with Integrated Intellectual Property Protection, a resident in memory scanner which protects your pc from IP infringements | Jul 13 16:49 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 13 16:50 |
| cubezzz | with the new FAT128 filesystem :) | Jul 13 16:50 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: with a free 640kB RAM chip on a pedestal in the box, as a friendly reminder? | Jul 13 16:50 |
| cubezzz | even more FAT | Jul 13 16:50 |
| cubezzz | 640K is all you need..... for one icon | Jul 13 16:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 13 16:51 |
| MinceR | 640k is all we'll leak in one second | Jul 13 16:51 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think Linux is going to do just fine | Jul 13 16:51 |
| cubezzz | should have happened years ago | Jul 13 16:51 |
| cubezzz | we should have been running Linux with X since 1994 | Jul 13 16:52 |
| cubezzz | but Gates got to the schools, the governments, and businesses | Jul 13 16:53 |
| MinceR | and the OEMs | Jul 13 16:54 |
| MinceR | they got IBM first | Jul 13 16:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] fossjobs.in, single & most popular foss job portal of India is now accepting for Advertisements. Contact us to get ur ad there #job | Jul 13 16:59 | |
| ender2070 | its not all bad | Jul 13 17:00 |
| ender2070 | we could be plagued with malware right now | Jul 13 17:01 |
| ender2070 | not serious stuff but annoying stuff | Jul 13 17:01 |
| ender2070 | we're plagued with mono malware and its even harder to get rid of because more people disagree on its status | Jul 13 17:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @mkapor: Apple steps in doo-doo big-time by deleting forum discussion on Consumer Reports piece critical of iPhone http://bit.ly/bzg86o | Jul 13 17:04 | |
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| ender2070 | lol | Jul 13 17:07 |
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| ender2070 | hey diablo-d3 | Jul 13 17:45 |
| ender2070 | im gonna learn C and Java | Jul 13 17:45 |
| ender2070 | later | Jul 13 17:46 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Brr... I feel dirty, as I arrive home... a long shower awaits me. #3270 #zVM | Jul 13 17:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5il-zLGjDfNEf_1mbAQNc7QARw33A | Jul 13 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: AFP: Key US Senate panel backs 'libel tourism' bill .::. Size~: 9.92 KB | Jul 13 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://voices.washingtonpost.com/virginiapolitics/2010/07/virginia_ends_year_with_budget.html | Jul 13 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | H"is administration has been predicting since June that year-end numbers would show that the state had returned to profitability for the year." | Jul 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | Isn't a government theoretically supposed to break even? | Jul 13 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 13 17:58 |
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| cubezzz | they can just print more money I guess | Jul 13 18:01 |
| cubezzz | that doesn't always work beyond a certain limit | Jul 13 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz, It's a state government | Jul 13 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | they can't print money :P | Jul 13 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | then can ask the feds to print more for them :) | Jul 13 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | every layer of government takes more than they need and then makes sure any leftovers are wasted on something | Jul 13 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | if they had to give any of it back, it would make people wonder why it was taken in the first place :P | Jul 13 18:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] someone just told me that there is a news related to our LUG-IITD in latest issue of Digit. Can someone past me the scanned copy. #lugiitd | Jul 13 18:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] nice comment on me - by "The Unknown" http://bit.ly/b3t4VI | Jul 13 18:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Glenn Greenwald explores Manning case http://bit.ly/ahzvpx | Jul 13 18:16 | |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Jul 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | Today's Golf Tip | Jul 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Overexposure to the sun can cause fatigue and dehydration. | Jul 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | welll | Jul 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | no shit | Jul 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | never would have guessed | Jul 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Eating glass shards can cause extreme stomach pains and even death | Jul 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 13 18:32 |
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| cubevector | pretty nice, sensors works right out of the install | Jul 13 18:37 |
| cubevector | and flash | Jul 13 18:43 |
| cubevector | not that I'm saying I like flash but this is handy | Jul 13 18:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @jwildeboer: Jan, could you please move your pontless "discussion" with the @lefty troll to IM or at lea … http://identi.ca/notice/41223178 | Jul 13 18:50 | |
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| cubevector | video performance isn't too good, hmmm | Jul 13 18:51 |
| cubevector | well 3d perf anyway | Jul 13 18:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] ZenCafe is a Slackware and Zenwalk-based distribution designed specifically for deployment in Internet cafés. http://tinyurl.com/2vok7th | Jul 13 18:58 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: DistroWatch.com: Zencafe GNU/Linux .::. Size~: 42 KB | Jul 13 18:58 |
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| cubevector | and it preloads kooka | Jul 13 19:16 |
| cubevector | not bad | Jul 13 19:16 |
| cubevector | starting to like vector | Jul 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | which edition are you using? | Jul 13 19:17 |
| cubevector | ummm | Jul 13 19:17 |
| cubevector | 6.0 classic I think | Jul 13 19:17 |
| MinceR | is xfce the default desktop? | Jul 13 19:18 |
| cubevector | no, KDE 3.5.10 | Jul 13 19:18 |
| MinceR | does it have abiword and gnumeric by default or are they available in the repos? | Jul 13 19:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RIAA Accounting: Why Even Major Label Musicians Rarely Make Money From Album Sales - http://bit.ly/cU7QaF 1st hollywood, now this... #piracy | Jul 13 19:20 | |
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| cubevector | slapt-get --install abiword | Jul 13 19:21 |
| cubevector | easy enough | Jul 13 19:21 |
| MinceR | then distrowatch is lying to me :/ | Jul 13 19:22 |
| cubevector | well there's no substitute for trying things yourself :) | Jul 13 19:22 |
| MinceR | maybe i'll have to do an install test of a bunch of distros after all | Jul 13 19:22 |
| MinceR | actually there is | Jul 13 19:22 |
| MinceR | asking you, for example ;) | Jul 13 19:22 |
| cubevector | sure | Jul 13 19:22 |
| MinceR | at least as far as showstoppers go | Jul 13 19:22 |
| cubevector | abiword seems rather voluminous | Jul 13 19:23 |
| MinceR | it's also fast and functional :> | Jul 13 19:23 |
| cubevector | I probably wouldn't have tried it if you didn't ask about it | Jul 13 19:23 |
| MinceR | sorry :) | Jul 13 19:23 |
| cubevector | 80 megs just for word processing? | Jul 13 19:23 |
| cubevector | no prob | Jul 13 19:23 |
| MinceR | probably gnome/gtk dependencies | Jul 13 19:23 |
| cubevector | remember, I'm Mr. 486 :) | Jul 13 19:23 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 13 19:24 |
| cubevector | I like small and succinct | Jul 13 19:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] New Bebo CEO: We'll Staff Up, Innovate, Then Maybe Sell - http://bit.ly/aFTHkz Bebo: like SCO zombie, but without the evil #bebo #sco | Jul 13 19:24 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: New Bebo CEO: Well Staff Up, Innovate, Then Maybe Sell| paidContent:UK .::. Size~: 29.29 KB | Jul 13 19:24 |
| MinceR | and for me it's more of a "read others' docs", "fill forms" and "convert ebooks" thing, i do real word processing with gvim and LaTeX :> | Jul 13 19:24 |
| cubevector | I wish I tried vector before | Jul 13 19:25 |
| cubevector | it's pretty much exactly what I want, on a p3 anyway | Jul 13 19:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Reports of blogging's death have been greatly exaggerated - http://bit.ly/d2SnK1 good summary of how I now use blogs and microblogs | Jul 13 19:26 | |
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| cubevector | pretty much I don't do wordprocessing like other people | Jul 13 19:26 |
| MinceR | does it come with support for installing proprietary stuff? (nvidia and the like) | Jul 13 19:26 |
| cubevector | I live in vim most of the time | Jul 13 19:26 |
| cubevector | well this box has nvidia card in it | Jul 13 19:27 |
| cubevector | not sure which one yet :) | Jul 13 19:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] International anti-counterfeiting talks hit snags says EU - http://bit.ly/9ALemO too much to hope for (via @mgeist) #acta | Jul 13 19:28 | |
| cubevector | bought it yesterday used, no one wanted an "old" p3 | Jul 13 19:28 |
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| cubevector | it's got something called "HardInfo" for system stuff | Jul 13 19:29 |
| cubevector | direct rendering: no | Jul 13 19:30 |
| cubevector | it needs some hand-turning, but less than other distros | Jul 13 19:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why I Don't Trust Julian Assange - http://bit.ly/asyehS well, that's not very nice... #wikileaks | Jul 13 19:31 | |
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| cubevector | tell me see what video card I have | Jul 13 19:31 |
| MinceR | lspci|grep VGA | Jul 13 19:32 |
| MinceR | what rc system does it use? | Jul 13 19:33 |
| cubevector | nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] (rev a3) | Jul 13 19:33 |
| cubevector | ummm | Jul 13 19:33 |
| cubevector | well I know it's based on slack | Jul 13 19:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Now available in English: AEIOU mnemonic for Open Standards - http://bit.ly/cdZfdd I think I prefer Rimbaud's version #openstandards #aeiou | Jul 13 19:35 | |
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| cubevector | is there an easy way to tell which one it uses? | Jul 13 19:35 |
| cubevector | I guess that video card is pretty old? | Jul 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | it is | Jul 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | and i'm not sure, i can see that kubuntu has /etc/rc*.d and it at least used to use system v style | Jul 13 19:36 |
| cubevector | bl3 is the simplest, just /etc/rc and that's it | Jul 13 19:36 |
| MinceR | that's bsd style | Jul 13 19:37 |
| MinceR | not easy on the package maintainers :> | Jul 13 19:37 |
| cubevector | rc.inetd on vector | Jul 13 19:37 |
| MinceR | one per service? | Jul 13 19:38 |
| cubevector | /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd | Jul 13 19:38 |
| cubevector | yeah could be | Jul 13 19:38 |
| cubevector | I don't see any xinetd | Jul 13 19:38 |
| MinceR | another thing that makes it hard on the package maintainers, but more so :> | Jul 13 19:39 |
| MinceR | (or on users) | Jul 13 19:39 |
| cubevector | well there's KsysV | Jul 13 19:41 |
| cubevector | I always did stuff like: | Jul 13 19:42 |
| cubevector | /sbin/service --status-all | Jul 13 19:42 |
| cubevector | but that doesn't work on vector | Jul 13 19:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] OpenSolaris governing board threatens dissolution - http://bit.ly/dCf9zE sad sign of the times #opensolaris #oracle | Jul 13 19:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OpenSolaris governing board threatens dissolution - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.75 KB | Jul 13 19:43 |
| cubevector | /sbin/service -a (for active services) | Jul 13 19:44 |
| cubevector | I wonder how this compares to my 3dforce b-32 plus card | Jul 13 19:46 |
| cubevector | it has to be even older | Jul 13 19:46 |
| cubevector | but the oldest video card I have is ATI VGA Wonder+ :) | Jul 13 19:47 |
| cubevector | ok, I think I know which driver to use | Jul 13 19:49 |
| cubevector | back to a closed source video driver :-/ | Jul 13 19:50 |
| cubevector | brb | Jul 13 19:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Even US Intellectual Property Organization Concerned About ACTA Being Too Broad & Changing US Laws - http://bit.ly/97YeQO astonishing #acta | Jul 13 19:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Kroes on open source in public administrations: "Attitudes are changing" - http://bit.ly/aTtMpW top eu 3 for oss "France, Spain and Germany" | Jul 13 19:56 | |
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| cubevector | ah, the fun of learning a new system | Jul 13 20:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 'We Need Roots' - Englishness and the new folk revival - http://bit.ly/cVZUYi morris dancing is *cool*? #england #dancing | Jul 13 20:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Vimeo gets Creative Commons, global settings - http://bit.ly/9MI91B nice #vimeo #cc | Jul 13 20:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Diabetes Drug Maker Hid Test Data, Files Indicate - http://nyti.ms/clEXas openness saves lives (via @monkchips) #openness | Jul 13 20:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ASCAP's attack on Creative Commons - http://huff.to/bqbwYk lessig fights back (but why in the huffpo?) #lessig #copyright | Jul 13 20:24 | |
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| cubevector | ok, got glxgears working ok | Jul 13 20:24 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Oil-like substance has been poured around one of the British Museum's statues by activists urging it to end its BP deal http://u.nu/3ik8d | Jul 13 20:24 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BBC News - 'Oil slick' protest against BP at the British Museum .::. Size~: 49.42 KB | Jul 13 20:24 |
| cubevector | you all might be curious about glxgears on this box | Jul 13 20:25 |
| cubevector | it's a lot faster than all my other boxes :) | Jul 13 20:25 |
| cubevector | it's strange how much faster it is | Jul 13 20:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] New Menace in the War Against Online Crime - http://nyti.ms/dvL69Z even mentions Windows (but doesn't suggest GNU/Linux as soln.) #malware | Jul 13 20:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Four reasons you'll want Firefox 4 - http://tinyurl.com/35s9ynt #microsoft #firefox #ie #xp #windows #mvp #vista #windows7 | Jul 13 20:31 | |
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| cubevector | ok, vector is my new favourite | Jul 13 20:31 |
| cubevector | for what it's worth: | Jul 13 20:33 |
| cubevector | http://maxhost.org/other/glxgears.txt | Jul 13 20:33 |
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| cubevector | uh, there's no reason for the bot to choke on text files | Jul 13 20:34 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] After Anderson Cooper did a series on #Scientology, it responded with a 95-page article accusing him of everything http://u.nu/99m8d | Jul 13 20:34 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Neutrino mass less of a mystery thanks to deep space imaging http://u.nu/3bm8d !science | Jul 13 20:34 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] RIAA Accounting — How Labels Avoid Paying Musicians http://u.nu/3cm8d #douchebags | Jul 13 20:34 | |
| cubevector | and text files are more efficient | Jul 13 20:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] French Supreme Court rules for Google in trademark cases - http://bit.ly/aQ9eYf important judgment #google #france | Jul 13 20:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RIAA paid its lawyers more than $16,000,000 in 2008 to recover only $391,000 - http://bit.ly/bubszR doing it by numbers #riaa #copryight | Jul 13 20:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @glynmoody RIAA paid its lawyers more than $16,000,000 in 2008 to recover only $391,000 - http://bit.ly/bubszR doing it by numbers #r ... | Jul 13 20:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: #RIAA paid its lawyers more than $16000000 in 2008 to recover only $391000 http://bit.ly/bubszR doing it by numbers #copryight | Jul 13 20:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] pic of the week: St. Paul's Entrance - http://bit.ly/dp3zNA stone made butter #pix #london #wren | Jul 13 20:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @BoingBoing: Body as battery http://bit.ly/cWYlMI | Jul 13 21:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] testing tweet. Sending from mobile. | Jul 13 21:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] http://www.smstweet.in is Free service to send Tweet using SMS (from mobile). Good for non-airtel users. Thanks | Jul 13 21:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] The covert smear campaign against WikiLeaks: what you need to know http://bit.ly/briilO | Jul 13 21:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Wau Holland Foundation sheds light on Wikileaks donations - Hardware, ISP, travelling costs | TechEye .::. Size~: 20.25 KB | Jul 13 21:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] [tip] how to view man pages in pdf format #bash #hack http://post.ly/n3Ui | Jul 13 21:58 | |
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| cubevector | ah, firefox plugin automatically disables silverlight | Jul 13 22:21 |
| cubevector | was wondering what SL meant | Jul 13 22:21 |
| cubevector | this new plugin shows SL in red, other stuff in blue | Jul 13 22:22 |
| cubevector | verdict on vector 6 classic: it's pretty good | Jul 13 22:25 |
| MinceR | what release model do they use? | Jul 13 22:25 |
| cubevector | all I know is they released Vector Linux 6.0 Kde Classic Nov 12, 2009 | Jul 13 22:27 |
| cubevector | so fairly new | Jul 13 22:27 |
| cubevector | cute, new vectorlinux people are not newbies, they are "vectorbies" | Jul 13 22:31 |
| MinceR | that doesn't even make any sense | Jul 13 22:33 |
| cubevector | hmm? | Jul 13 22:36 |
| cubevector | oh well | Jul 13 22:36 |
| cubevector | I won't defend it :) | Jul 13 22:36 |
| cubevector | https://vector.ecosq.com/ic/HowTos | Jul 13 22:36 |
| cubevector | their cert is expired btw | Jul 13 22:36 |
| cubevector | if you don't feel like shoe-horning KDE 3.5.10 onto something else, it does the job | Jul 13 22:37 |
| cubevector | also... | Jul 13 22:38 |
| cubevector | slapt-get --install gnumeric | Jul 13 22:38 |
| cubevector | works | Jul 13 22:39 |
| zoobab | hi | Jul 13 22:45 |
| zoobab | Roy is on holiday? | Jul 13 22:46 |
| MinceR | hay | Jul 13 22:47 |
| cubevector | I think so | Jul 13 22:48 |
| cubevector | i wonder if this setup would work under FreeDos | Jul 13 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] FOX news take on the Bradley Manning espionage case http://bit.ly/cp5cL9 | Jul 13 22:54 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- U.S. Soldier Charged in WikiLeaks Case .::. Size~: 89.94 KB | Jul 13 22:54 |
| MinceR | gn | Jul 13 22:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] MSNBC take on the Manning case now online http://bit.ly/deVauR | Jul 13 23:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] lol, I thought Windows 7 was flying off the shelves? Why then: http://tinyurl.com/3399zcc #windows7 #fail #microsoft #mvp #xp | Jul 13 23:23 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: XP lives! Windows 7 dies? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 70.62 KB | Jul 13 23:23 |
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