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| ender2070 | thats fine | Jul 19 00:00 |
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| ender2070 | you're just making good use out of old hardware | Jul 19 00:01 |
| cubezzz | so far I can't get LCD's to do 640x350 or 320x200 | Jul 19 00:02 |
| cubezzz | also i don't want bloat | Jul 19 00:03 |
| cubezzz | Linux shouldn't be bloated | Jul 19 00:03 |
| ender2070 | its not bloated | Jul 19 00:04 |
| cubezzz | you can't even fit the source on a single DVD for a modern distro | Jul 19 00:04 |
| cubezzz | think about that for a second | Jul 19 00:04 |
| ender2070 | what the hell are you talking about | Jul 19 00:05 |
| ender2070 | linux != distro | Jul 19 00:05 |
| cubezzz | it's part of it | Jul 19 00:05 |
| ender2070 | Linux is not bloated | Jul 19 00:05 |
| ender2070 | Distros are bloated | Jul 19 00:05 |
| cubezzz | ok, fine, distros are bloated | Jul 19 00:05 |
| ender2070 | you can build a tiny distro that can fit on a cd | Jul 19 00:05 |
| cubezzz | but in general 2.6 is fatter than 2.4 which in turn is fatter than 2.2 | Jul 19 00:05 |
| cubezzz | you can see the direction it's going in | Jul 19 00:05 |
| ender2070 | ever compile your own kernel? | Jul 19 00:06 |
| cubezzz | sure | Jul 19 00:06 |
| ender2070 | you can disable stuff you don't need to make it smaller | Jul 19 00:06 |
| cubezzz | MinceR still hasn't even found a distro he likes yet | Jul 19 00:07 |
| ender2070 | debian | Jul 19 00:07 |
| cubezzz | also applications are bloated | Jul 19 00:07 |
| cubezzz | firefox is huge bloat | Jul 19 00:08 |
| cubezzz | but netscape was bloated so... | Jul 19 00:08 |
| ender2070 | chromium | Jul 19 00:08 |
| ender2070 | absolute linux has confirmed it uses less resources | Jul 19 00:09 |
| cubezzz | probably true | Jul 19 00:09 |
| cubezzz | but I need something more basic | Jul 19 00:09 |
| ender2070 | kmeleon | Jul 19 00:10 |
| ender2070 | epiphany | Jul 19 00:10 |
| ender2070 | theres another one too | Jul 19 00:10 |
| cubezzz | there's tons and tons of browsers | Jul 19 00:11 |
| cubezzz | I might try amaya again | Jul 19 00:12 |
| cubezzz | the problem is web admins all go for ff and ie | Jul 19 00:12 |
| cubezzz | so if you run something else, it doesn't look very good | Jul 19 00:13 |
| ender2070 | nah chromium works with everything too | Jul 19 00:15 |
| cubezzz | everything? | Jul 19 00:15 |
| cubezzz | I blame the web masters mostly | Jul 19 00:16 |
| cubezzz | the net was good, ad free, fast | Jul 19 00:17 |
| cubezzz | now it's a morass of turtle slow scripts | Jul 19 00:17 |
| cubezzz | in fact, I may as well not bother with graphical browsers on the 486 | Jul 19 00:18 |
| cubezzz | I can't load high resolution pictures anyways | Jul 19 00:19 |
| ender2070 | its been a long time since i've had to install firefox | Jul 19 00:19 |
| cubezzz | and flash, wow, don't get me started about flash | Jul 19 00:20 |
| ender2070 | in fact I only tried it recently because they ripped chrome off | Jul 19 00:20 |
| ender2070 | flash sucks | Jul 19 00:20 |
| cubezzz | I'm not saying firefox is that great either | Jul 19 00:20 |
| ender2070 | firefox is the most bloated program i've used besides openoffice | Jul 19 00:21 |
| cubezzz | right now I'm using links as much as possible | Jul 19 00:21 |
| cubezzz | yes, so you see the problem | Jul 19 00:21 |
| cubezzz | FOSS shouldn't be bloated | Jul 19 00:21 |
| ender2070 | firefox and openoffice are both spawned from proprietary software development | Jul 19 00:22 |
| cubezzz | I can't think of any distro i really like, except I kind of like Vector with classic KDE | Jul 19 00:22 |
| ender2070 | firefox came from the netscape codebase that aol was working on | Jul 19 00:22 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jul 19 00:22 |
| ender2070 | openoffice came from star office | Jul 19 00:22 |
| ender2070 | pure FOSS development makes better apps | Jul 19 00:22 |
| cubezzz | another thing, awk beats perl for memory efficiency | Jul 19 00:22 |
| cubezzz | hard to believe we didn't even have X on our systems in the 80's | Jul 19 00:23 |
| cubezzz | no perl, python or php either | Jul 19 00:23 |
| ender2070 | asm beats them all | Jul 19 00:24 |
| cubezzz | heh | Jul 19 00:24 |
| cubezzz | well... | Jul 19 00:24 |
| cubezzz | I've done that | Jul 19 00:24 |
| ender2070 | how fast can you write software though in assembly | Jul 19 00:25 |
| ender2070 | imagine a complex web browser | Jul 19 00:25 |
| cubezzz | not very fast at all | Jul 19 00:25 |
| ender2070 | years | Jul 19 00:25 |
| cubezzz | no, I wouldn't do it | Jul 19 00:25 |
| cubezzz | C and X is as low as I go | Jul 19 00:25 |
| cubezzz | even in the 80's I used C | Jul 19 00:26 |
| ender2070 | C is nice :) | Jul 19 00:26 |
| cubezzz | had to drive to Toronto to _buy_ my first compiler | Jul 19 00:26 |
| cubezzz | and it wasn't cheap either | Jul 19 00:26 |
| cubezzz | it was a grand to get Xenix with the compiler | Jul 19 00:27 |
| cubezzz | yes, one thousand bucks | Jul 19 00:28 |
| cubezzz | $200 for the Amiga compiler, and $1300 for the hard drive to put it on | Jul 19 00:28 |
| ender2070 | was that before gcc? | Jul 19 00:31 |
| cubezzz | well at the time, I didn't know about Stallman or gcc | Jul 19 00:32 |
| cubezzz | he was probably working on it at the time though | Jul 19 00:32 |
| ender2070 | no internet to search for them either | Jul 19 00:32 |
| ender2070 | at least to the general public | Jul 19 00:32 |
| cubezzz | I had CRS | Jul 19 00:32 |
| cubezzz | and I also had access to Waterloo's stuff | Jul 19 00:32 |
| cubezzz | Sun4's at the time | Jul 19 00:33 |
| ender2070 | I was reading some comments on osnews about the 'death' of CS | Jul 19 00:33 |
| ender2070 | one person said self taught programmers should be coming out of the woodworks | Jul 19 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I looked at Xenix and mostly I didn't even like it | Jul 19 00:33 |
| ender2070 | the guy had to pirate borland pascal just to code at home | Jul 19 00:33 |
| cubezzz | well there were compilers | Jul 19 00:34 |
| ender2070 | and now with free compilers, there should be tons of people coding | Jul 19 00:34 |
| cubezzz | Lattice C and Manx in the early days | Jul 19 00:34 |
| ender2070 | http://www.osnews.com/thread?433831 | Jul 19 00:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OSNews > Thread > "RE: It always goes full circle" by vivainio .::. Size~: 22.72 KB | Jul 19 00:34 |
| cubezzz | you do know Microsoft C was originally Lattice right? | Jul 19 00:34 |
| ender2070 | "Whereas as a kid I had to pirate turbo pascal 3.0 from school to get access to a modern programming environment... " | Jul 19 00:34 |
| cubezzz | they didn't start from zero | Jul 19 00:34 |
| ender2070 | Lattice C? | Jul 19 00:34 |
| cubezzz | but I didn't pirate the compiler | Jul 19 00:34 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jul 19 00:35 |
| ender2070 | i couldn't blame a student | Jul 19 00:35 |
| ender2070 | they dont have thousands to spend on toys | Jul 19 00:35 |
| cubezzz | well, I paid $200 :) | Jul 19 00:35 |
| cubezzz | yeah I spent a lot on computer stuff | Jul 19 00:35 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 19 00:35 |
| cubezzz | I wanted the manuals though | Jul 19 00:36 |
| ender2070 | honestly if I spent $200 to learn programming i'd put more effort into it | Jul 19 00:36 |
| ender2070 | :) | Jul 19 00:36 |
| cubezzz | if gcc didn't exist we would be in big trouble | Jul 19 00:36 |
| ender2070 | :D | Jul 19 00:37 |
| cubezzz | that is so important, I don't think people really understand how important it is | Jul 19 00:37 |
| ender2070 | ever watch Revolution OS ? | Jul 19 00:37 |
| cubezzz | umm, not sure, might have | Jul 19 00:37 |
| ender2070 | I understand how it is | Jul 19 00:37 |
| cubezzz | well there was Xenix cc | Jul 19 00:37 |
| ender2070 | its a linux and free software documentary | Jul 19 00:37 |
| cubezzz | but closed source of course | Jul 19 00:37 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think I did see it actually | Jul 19 00:37 |
| cubezzz | I used compilers before gcc of course | Jul 19 00:38 |
| ender2070 | they mentioned spending days downloading and replacing apps on sun os workstations with gnu tools | Jul 19 00:38 |
| ender2070 | the guy who started cygnus said it I think | Jul 19 00:39 |
| cubezzz | yeah they worked very hard | Jul 19 00:39 |
| cubezzz | there was also this one: | Jul 19 00:39 |
| cubezzz | \http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_C_Compiler | Jul 19 00:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Portable C Compiler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 34.09 KB | Jul 19 00:39 |
| cubezzz | I never used it though | Jul 19 00:39 |
| cubezzz | the BSD guys say it's "way better" | Jul 19 00:40 |
| cubezzz | for some reason I never got into BSD very much | Jul 19 00:40 |
| ender2070 | they hate gnu | Jul 19 00:40 |
| cubezzz | why? | Jul 19 00:40 |
| cubezzz | do they hate the GPL? | Jul 19 00:41 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 19 00:41 |
| ender2070 | not all the BSD folks | Jul 19 00:41 |
| ender2070 | the openbsd guys aren't too fond of the GPL though | Jul 19 00:42 |
| cubezzz | I always thought GNU/Linux was a nicer desktop | Jul 19 00:42 |
| cubezzz | Loki/LGP that sort of thing | Jul 19 00:42 |
| ender2070 | linux has better drivers | Jul 19 00:43 |
| ender2070 | it also performs faster and evolves faster | Jul 19 00:43 |
| cubezzz | BL3 is the main reason why I canned my Amiga project | Jul 19 00:45 |
| cubezzz | Amiga had a couple of problems | Jul 19 00:45 |
| cubezzz | wimpy power supply and closed source OS | Jul 19 00:45 |
| ender2070 | basic linux 3? | Jul 19 00:46 |
| cubezzz | yes | Jul 19 00:46 |
| cubezzz | I hated giving up on Amiga though | Jul 19 00:46 |
| ender2070 | they were advanced for their time | Jul 19 00:47 |
| cubezzz | I can get PC stuff so cheap | Jul 19 00:47 |
| ender2070 | I thought the NeXT stuff was pretty cool too | Jul 19 00:48 |
| cubezzz | Amiga stuff is expensive | Jul 19 00:48 |
| cubezzz | an entire p3 loaded for $60 | Jul 19 00:48 |
| cubezzz | that's crazy cheap | Jul 19 00:48 |
| ender2070 | I was looking for socket 775 cpu's | Jul 19 00:48 |
| ender2070 | you can get them cheap used | Jul 19 00:48 |
| ender2070 | i saw some for like $10-20 | Jul 19 00:48 |
| ender2070 | i got a spare mobo | Jul 19 00:48 |
| ender2070 | I have lots of hard drives too | Jul 19 00:49 |
| cubezzz | P4's get really hot though | Jul 19 00:49 |
| ender2070 | I test out a lot of OS's with them | Jul 19 00:49 |
| ender2070 | 775 supports P4 to Quad Core CPUs | Jul 19 00:49 |
| cubezzz | I can hear the fans revving up on P4's | Jul 19 00:50 |
| ender2070 | this board will support a quad core, it came with it originally | Jul 19 00:50 |
| ender2070 | its an intel board though and can't be overclocked | Jul 19 00:50 |
| cubezzz | that's fine | Jul 19 00:50 |
| cubezzz | I don't overlock | Jul 19 00:50 |
| ender2070 | i dont unless intel underclocks my cpu | Jul 19 00:50 |
| ender2070 | which it does for the series mine came out of | Jul 19 00:51 |
| cubezzz | I want longevity and reliability | Jul 19 00:51 |
| *cubezzz pats his 17 year old 486 | Jul 19 00:51 | |
| ender2070 | after a while, all q6xxx cpu's were identical and were hardcoded on certain speeds to make different models to sell | Jul 19 00:52 |
| cubezzz | if I was to build another computer I'd want fastest, coolest running and reliable | Jul 19 00:52 |
| ender2070 | why arm then? | Jul 19 00:54 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 19 00:54 |
| cubezzz | I only have one Arm machine | Jul 19 00:54 |
| cubezzz | and one arm router | Jul 19 00:55 |
| ender2070 | I can't say they are the fastest | Jul 19 00:55 |
| ender2070 | but they are extremely efficient | Jul 19 00:55 |
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| cubezzz | well I don't want to be totally stuck on x86 | Jul 19 01:00 |
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| cubezzz | actually all 3 of my routers are ARM | Jul 19 01:02 |
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| ender2070 | yeah but my point was arm isn't fast | Jul 19 01:04 |
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| ender2070 | hey cubezzz | Jul 19 01:16 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Jul 19 01:16 |
| ender2070 | the old LFS guides probably deal with kernel 2.4 setups | Jul 19 01:16 |
| cubezzz | on DistroWatch Ubuntu is number one | Jul 19 01:22 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, a bit surprising | Jul 19 01:22 |
| cubezzz | fedora #2, MEPIS #11, Vector #27 | Jul 19 01:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I've noticed the ratings change when a new release comes out as lots of peeps pile on it at once | Jul 19 01:23 |
| cubezzz | LFS is #71 | Jul 19 01:23 |
| cubezzz | I actually do like Vector | Jul 19 01:23 |
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| cubezzz | no one tries to support old very much though | Jul 19 01:25 |
| cubezzz | old as in old hardware | Jul 19 01:25 |
| cubezzz | Mint + KDE says it needs 512 megs of ram | Jul 19 01:26 |
| cubezzz | Graphics card capable of 800×600 resolution | Jul 19 01:26 |
| cubezzz | they actively don't support old | Jul 19 01:27 |
| ender2070 | cant really count LFS as a distro | Jul 19 01:27 |
| ender2070 | because its not | Jul 19 01:27 |
| cubezzz | they listed it | Jul 19 01:27 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 19 01:27 |
| ender2070 | if you download it you end up with a pdf file | Jul 19 01:28 |
| ender2070 | its a manual with instructions | Jul 19 01:28 |
| ender2070 | you need to manually download and compile every application it tells you to | Jul 19 01:28 |
| cubezzz | well it's even on osdisc.com | Jul 19 01:29 |
| ender2070 | yeah? | Jul 19 01:29 |
| ender2070 | freebsd is on distrowatch too | Jul 19 01:29 |
| ender2070 | not even linux | Jul 19 01:29 |
| cubezzz | distrowatch is distrowatch | Jul 19 01:29 |
| cubezzz | not linuxwatch | Jul 19 01:29 |
| ender2070 | touche | Jul 19 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | [08:20:49] <cubezzz> Mint + KDE says it needs 512 megs of ram | Jul 19 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | [08:21:09] <cubezzz> Graphics card capable of 800×600 resolution | Jul 19 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | [08:21:27] <cubezzz> they actively don't support old | Jul 19 01:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just ubuntu. | Jul 19 01:30 |
| ender2070 | debian supports old | Jul 19 01:30 |
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| ender2070 | seemingly thats all it does support in 'stable' | Jul 19 01:31 |
| cubezzz | well I'm glad debian supports old | Jul 19 01:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian doesnt support anything | Jul 19 01:31 |
| cubezzz | but most of them don't | Jul 19 01:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its up to you to install what you want. | Jul 19 01:31 |
| ender2070 | some consider LFS a distro but if I built it I'd give it my own name | Jul 19 01:32 |
| ender2070 | i'd probably use newer software than what is available in the guide too | Jul 19 01:33 |
| cubezzz | well now I wonder what they put on the LFS disc :) | Jul 19 01:33 |
| cubezzz | I hope it's not just a pdf file | Jul 19 01:33 |
| ender2070 | not the distro | Jul 19 01:33 |
| ender2070 | its a build environment | Jul 19 01:33 |
| ender2070 | so you can build it | Jul 19 01:33 |
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| ender2070 | its not required, you can build it with any livecd | Jul 19 01:34 |
| ender2070 | or any distro | Jul 19 01:34 |
| ender2070 | the livecd doesn't put a distro on your hard drive | Jul 19 01:34 |
| ender2070 | you know what I mean | Jul 19 01:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | unless its an installer too | Jul 19 01:35 |
| ender2070 | its not | Jul 19 01:35 |
| cubezzz | yeah it's not | Jul 19 01:35 |
| ender2070 | LFS is a training tool | Jul 19 01:35 |
| cubezzz | BL3 didn't have much of an installer either | Jul 19 01:35 |
| ender2070 | you use it to learn how to make linux | Jul 19 01:35 |
| ender2070 | sure you could probably DD the iso to an HDD | Jul 19 01:36 |
| ender2070 | or cp the files | Jul 19 01:36 |
| ender2070 | if you really wanted | Jul 19 01:36 |
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| cubezzz | even LFS is voluminous | Jul 19 01:37 |
| cubezzz | not as bad as most of the others though | Jul 19 01:37 |
| cubezzz | I can't do the iso thing anyways | Jul 19 01:37 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 19 01:37 |
| cubezzz | not on 486 with a 120 meg partition | Jul 19 01:38 |
| ender2070 | learn, then build one you want smaller | Jul 19 01:38 |
| ender2070 | im going to learn LFS and see if its viable to make my own distro | Jul 19 01:38 |
| cubezzz | I'll have a look | Jul 19 01:39 |
| ender2070 | im guessing its not though and ill find out exactly why | Jul 19 01:39 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 19 01:39 |
| cubezzz | does LFS even include X? | Jul 19 01:39 |
| ender2070 | BLFS does | Jul 19 01:39 |
| ender2070 | beyond linux from scratch | Jul 19 01:40 |
| cubezzz | well what would you put it on? | Jul 19 01:40 |
| cubezzz | there's pretty much a distro for every type of box | Jul 19 01:40 |
| ender2070 | you might not like some of the decisions your distro makes | Jul 19 01:42 |
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| cubezzz | yes, very much so | Jul 19 01:43 |
| cubezzz | but Vector was a decent compromise, on less old hardware | Jul 19 01:44 |
| ender2070 | the non viable part imo is keeping up with software | Jul 19 01:44 |
| cubezzz | well... | Jul 19 01:44 |
| cubezzz | you don't _have_ to continously upgrade | Jul 19 01:44 |
| ender2070 | LFS will have you a system built, but its up to you to rebuild all the software you want upgraded | Jul 19 01:44 |
| ender2070 | security fixes | Jul 19 01:44 |
| cubezzz | someone is going to attack me through plip? | Jul 19 01:45 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Jul 19 01:45 |
| cubezzz | it doesn't even talk to the router | Jul 19 01:45 |
| ender2070 | I mean in the aspect of making my own distro | Jul 19 01:46 |
| ender2070 | if I ship out a distro people expect timely updates | Jul 19 01:46 |
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| cubezzz | yes, but you don't have to connect every computer to the internet | Jul 19 01:46 |
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| cubezzz | I just want to hack around on X, do some C stuff and play old dos games, that's it | Jul 19 01:47 |
| cubezzz | at least on that box | Jul 19 01:47 |
| cubezzz | by all means, make your distro | Jul 19 01:48 |
| cubezzz | or just hack an existing distro | Jul 19 01:48 |
| ender2070 | ill just go one step at a time | Jul 19 01:50 |
| ender2070 | ill build LFS first then see what im gonna do | Jul 19 01:50 |
| cubezzz | I sure wouldn't want to build BLFS with 2.6 and then go duuhhh this runs like crap on 16 megs | Jul 19 01:52 |
| cubezzz | even gnuchess is iffy with X | Jul 19 01:53 |
| ender2070 | use an old version of the guide | Jul 19 01:53 |
| ender2070 | they just update it for newer versions of stuff | Jul 19 01:54 |
| cubezzz | you can see what I ended up with here: | Jul 19 01:54 |
| cubezzz | http://cubexyz.blogspot.com/ | Jul 19 01:54 |
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| ender2070 | you could probably take basic linux and customize it | Jul 19 01:56 |
| ender2070 | make it smaller, remove even more :) | Jul 19 01:56 |
| cubezzz | no, mostly you have to add stuff | Jul 19 01:57 |
| cubezzz | it's just two 3.5" disks | Jul 19 01:57 |
| ender2070 | you could probably recompile the kernel to include only the modules you need | Jul 19 01:57 |
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| cubezzz | zimage is 458,327 bytes | Jul 19 01:57 |
| ender2070 | theres also an X replacement that uses less ram isn't there? | Jul 19 01:57 |
| cubezzz | yeah but I didn't really want that | Jul 19 01:58 |
| cubezzz | I needed compatibility with the X programs I wrote | Jul 19 01:58 |
| ender2070 | ohhh | Jul 19 01:58 |
| ender2070 | what progs did you write? | Jul 19 01:58 |
| cubezzz | xrubik is mine | Jul 19 01:59 |
| cubezzz | x_poly | Jul 19 01:59 |
| cubezzz | never ported x_poly over, it's probaby too big | Jul 19 02:00 |
| cubezzz | and poly_w2 | Jul 19 02:00 |
| cubezzz | I'll show you some pics | Jul 19 02:01 |
| cubezzz | http://cubeman.org/wireframe.html | Jul 19 02:01 |
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| ender2070 | quite neat | Jul 19 02:06 |
| cubezzz | thanks | Jul 19 02:06 |
| cubezzz | I thought about re-writing rclock but it's pretty well perfect as it is | Jul 19 02:08 |
| cubezzz | actually that's not quite true | Jul 19 02:09 |
| cubezzz | it could have preserved the aspect ratio | Jul 19 02:10 |
| cubezzz | I wonder what market share BSD has | Jul 19 02:31 |
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| cubezzz | mac at 6% | Jul 19 02:35 |
| cubezzz | linux at 1.3% | Jul 19 02:35 |
| cubezzz | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols actually said windows 7 is good | Jul 19 02:37 |
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| cubezzz | I doubt he really believes that | Jul 19 02:37 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft has a lot to answer for | Jul 19 02:38 |
| cubezzz | "The court case was brought by Savoir Faire Linux, a small Montreal-based company that had hoped to bid Linux software to replace the government's aging Windows XP. " | Jul 19 02:38 |
| cubezzz | my own municipality sucks | Jul 19 02:40 |
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| cubezzz | it's really really bad | Jul 19 02:41 |
| cubezzz | I can't even give them money without using Microsoft products | Jul 19 02:42 |
| cubezzz | their credit card web app was IE only | Jul 19 02:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @mkapor: Novelist Gary Shteyngart likens Fox News to Pravda, calls it party line without a party http://nyti.ms/bIJFek | Jul 19 03:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] All of Europe is considering a move to free open source software. So important for free speech! http://nyti.ms/bmsIli | Jul 19 03:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @linuxlibrarian: Facebook, you may have claimed 499 million of my comrades, but you will never take me... mwahahaha!! | Jul 19 03:26 | |
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| cubevector | it's nice to get off fc1 for a while | Jul 19 04:44 |
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| cubevector | wow, a bing plugin for firefox :-/ | Jul 19 05:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] #Patent expiration (latest example: Apple TrueType) benefits Free and Open Source Software http://bit.ly/aTie2T #freetype #swpat | Jul 19 05:39 | |
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| cubevector | huh, vector has VectorLinux Standard 1.8 | Jul 19 06:31 |
| cubevector | which uses "Ultra stable 2.2.18 kernel" | Jul 19 06:32 |
| cubevector | Recommend 16 megs of ram and 175 megs HD space for installation | Jul 19 06:33 |
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| swathanthran | do we have a list of cases where proprietary software companies been penalised, which would inherently point to the flaw in the proprietary system of software? | Jul 19 07:32 |
| swathanthran | ok, going through the wiki first;-) | Jul 19 07:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Greens Endorse BT-TalkTalk Opposition to Digital Economy Act - http://bit.ly/daFfQF and the LibDems? (via @Coadec) #deact | Jul 19 08:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @pietercolpaert: fumny apple chose the #openmoko marketing strategy for iphone4: buy brick. At least with #freerunner, we can improve it | Jul 19 08:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Briefing paper on “The Semantic Web, Linked and Open Data” - http://bit.ly/dgKJO9 time for deeds, not words #semanticweb #opendata | Jul 19 08:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Really Open Source Cloud Computing Arrives At Last - http://bit.ly/9q1qRv a blow agaisnt #opencore #opencloud #opensource | Jul 19 08:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The New Silk Road - http://bit.ly/c0a7Fe "A railroad through the southern Caucasus"; I can't wait to ride this #silkroad #caucasus | Jul 19 08:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Survive a Plane Crash - http://bit.ly/aMxt0s sensible advice for the super-neurotic #planes #crashes #survival | Jul 19 08:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Discontinues the Nexus One Android Phone - http://bit.ly/bdtKyQ no surprise: it was clearly an insurance policy, and wasn't needed | Jul 19 08:59 | |
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| cubevector | I thought about tab colours in konsole, but then I see they were added :) | Jul 19 09:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Remix This Game — a Free Software Experiment - http://bit.ly/cMK0tI GNU GPL Version 3, Creative Commons BY-SA; cool #gaming #cc #gpl | Jul 19 09:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Say Everything - http://bit.ly/cXECIg excellent, well-written piece about a key generational shift #privacy #net | Jul 19 09:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open source software used by the Symbian Foundation - http://bit.ly/a1yMV2 if you talk the talk... #symbian #opensource | Jul 19 09:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Quicken Online Users Saw The Bait, Took The Switch To Mint.com, And Are Left With Nothing - http://tcrn.ch/9JBR5l must be a moral there | Jul 19 09:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Academics must check contracts' effects on user rights - http://bit.ly/93PuQI rather dry, but important #copyright #contractlaw | Jul 19 09:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] How do these loud screaming people expect the working people to be such? | Jul 19 10:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Hedge funds accused of gambling with lives of the poorest as food prices soar - http://bit.ly/asiuxS must be stopped #speculation #food | Jul 19 10:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @kaerast @privacyint UK Police consulting on DNA database -- please respond and RT! http://bit.ly/9zJLZW >>it's v. short and easy #dna | Jul 19 10:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @glynmoody: Quicken Online Users Saw Bait, Switched To Mint.com, And Are Left With Nothing - http://tcrn.ch/9JBR5l must be a moral there | Jul 19 10:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #needcoffee satisfied (but barely). Feeling like #theremustbesomewayouttahere but... | Jul 19 10:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Depending on proprietary software? Depending of proprietary standards? Depending on the Cloud? Having a problem? #fail http://tcrn.ch/9JBR5l | Jul 19 10:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] s/ of pro/ on pro/ | Jul 19 10:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Human Rights Groups Complain About Special 301 Process - http://bit.ly/9xRGNi and about time too #special301 #humanrights | Jul 19 10:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] FSFE Welcomes New 'Software Interactions' Document From The European, Legal Network - http://bit.ly/9iKfBO de-muddifying licence choice | Jul 19 11:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Translating Pushkin’s The Captain’s Daughter - http://bit.ly/cya6Kl lovely meditation on amazing writer; pity no e-text, though #pushkin | Jul 19 11:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Everytime the Euro gains value, some rating agency will rate down a european country. This time Moodys on Ireland. #conspiracy | Jul 19 11:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Real Open Source Hardware Revolution - http://bit.ly/9szIGh and why it means the death of patents #3dprinters #patents | Jul 19 12:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Action Food speculation: Shop Goldman Sachs to the regulator - http://bit.ly/cHQV4s couldn't happen to a nicer wunch #food #goldmansachs | Jul 19 12:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Very soon, the progress bar will finally be legal to use in software in the EU. #swpat about to expire in October 24th http://is.gd/dxXmO | Jul 19 12:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @ruiseabra @carlopiana MSFT has ClearType patents for subpixel rendering on LCD screens, see http://www.freetype.org/patents.html | Jul 19 12:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Strategic Advisory Board for Intellectual Property policy (SABIP): RIP - http://bit.ly/cVlw3J so what will replace it? #uk | Jul 19 13:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @newsbrooke Today in the information tribunal I made a request to tape record the 'open' hearing as part of my campaign to open up courts | Jul 19 13:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sony Ericsson Posts Profitable Q2 Thanks to Android - http://bit.ly/dig4Rx not just HTC that's benefiting #android #ericsson | Jul 19 13:30 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Via Max Rydahl Andersen: Let's call it #icalgate http://discussions.info.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11292137 #mac #sync #fail #ical | Jul 19 13:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Good or bad news? Paywall costs Times 66% of its audience. Still 33% conversion rate is quite OK. http://is.gd/dy1OR | Jul 19 13:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: @ruiseabra @carlopiana MSFT has ClearType patents for subpixel rendering on LCD screens http://www.freetype.org/patents.html | Jul 19 13:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google #Android gets OSS PHP tools - http://bit.ly/btmjmf "to make #PHP development not only possible but also feasible" (via @monkchips) | Jul 19 14:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Deutsche Grammophon's Archiv Blue Series - http://bit.ly/bIw0Rn David Munrow + more (remember Pied Piper anyone?) #spotify | Jul 19 14:20 | |
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| *DaemonFC is glad he got the tire protection plan | Jul 19 14:30 | |
| DaemonFC | seems like I run over nails often enough to save about twice what I spend on the warranty :P | Jul 19 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still shocked that Walmart tried to sell me a warranty on a video game though | Jul 19 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't the law say you can't take it back for cash or another game anyway? | Jul 19 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | just another copy of the same title? | Jul 19 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | the 30 day general return policy should cover a disc that was messed up when I opened it :) | Jul 19 14:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Ok what | Jul 19 14:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Tire warranty that you have to pay for. | Jul 19 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | right, I bought a video game while I was there | Jul 19 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | and the computer offered me a warranty on the video game | Jul 19 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 14:34 |
| oiaohm_ | I am use to 12 months free tire repair on new tires. | Jul 19 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | repair is free with that plan | Jul 19 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | nail through the tire = replacement | Jul 19 14:35 |
| oiaohm_ | And even then repair is not much after that. | Jul 19 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | those are prorated depending on how much tread is left | Jul 19 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | like 40% tread gets you 40% off | Jul 19 14:35 |
| oiaohm_ | nail through the tire here is a repair. | Jul 19 14:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Not a new tire. | Jul 19 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | it was a big nail | Jul 19 14:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Define big. | Jul 19 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think federal highway safety guidelines allow them to patch a hole from a roofing nail | Jul 19 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 19 14:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Ok I had them patched here. | Jul 19 14:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Even large than roofing. | Jul 19 14:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Concert nails. | Jul 19 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, Ubuntu has caught up to 2.6.35-rc5 finally | Jul 19 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | they're only lagging behind mainline by a week :P | Jul 19 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | laws must not be the same there | Jul 19 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | of course Walmart's policies are usually more strict than the law requires | Jul 19 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | like blowout = lawsuit | Jul 19 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 14:37 |
| oiaohm_ | As long as the blance of tire and belt of tire is nto too far damaged. | Jul 19 14:37 |
| oiaohm_ | It will be repaired. | Jul 19 14:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes they have machines to fully inspect the tires. | Jul 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | I told them to repair it if possible | Jul 19 14:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Here in Australia have something stuck threw tire in first 12 months is not strange. | Jul 19 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | the work order says "Refused - Unsafe Environment" | Jul 19 14:38 |
| oiaohm_ | It is kinda common. | Jul 19 14:39 |
| oiaohm_ | Maybe it hit a critical point in the belt. | Jul 19 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm_, delaylog is the mount option you use in fstab to get XFS's new delayed logging, right? | Jul 19 14:39 |
| oiaohm_ | There are a few soft points in the belt of a tire. | Jul 19 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's not default yet because it's an invasive experimental change that could eat your data | Jul 19 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | from what I understand | Jul 19 14:40 |
| oiaohm_ | Hopefully DaemonFC | Jul 19 14:40 |
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| DaemonFC | but it's supposedly hellaciously fast | Jul 19 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 19 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | I kind of want to try it but I don't want it to eat my partitions | Jul 19 14:41 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep reason for the world hopefully. | Jul 19 14:41 |
| oiaohm_ | Logging protects xfs from fails. | Jul 19 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | XFS has been getting faster where Ext4 is getting slower | Jul 19 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | lately | Jul 19 14:41 |
| oiaohm_ | A lot | Jul 19 14:41 |
| oiaohm_ | delaying it is not exactly wise. | Jul 19 14:41 |
| DaemonFC | have you noticed? | Jul 19 14:41 |
| oiaohm_ | Lock removeal | Jul 19 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | XFS has been getting optimizations to their logging, and Ext4 has had to have Ext3 and XFS style safety hacks bolted on | Jul 19 14:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 14:42 |
| oiaohm_ | The lock corrections have been more in XFS favour. | Jul 19 14:42 |
| oiaohm_ | XFS was designed to work in correctly locked OS's. | Jul 19 14:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Ext3 and Ext4 really were not. | Jul 19 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | so the global lock was putting a speed brake on it :P | Jul 19 14:43 |
| DaemonFC | more or less | Jul 19 14:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep | Jul 19 14:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Yet ext3 and ext4 work better not being destracted half way threw a task. | Jul 19 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I've noticed that between the other improvements of the last year or so, you get 5-10% better performance, and with delayed logging on you can see over a third better performance | Jul 19 14:44 |
| *DaemonFC checks his AT&T bill | Jul 19 14:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I hope they posted it | Jul 19 14:44 |
| DaemonFC | knock one more bill out and have one less thing to worry about this month :P | Jul 19 14:44 |
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| DaemonFC | between rent, food, car expenses, TV, and internet, I don't see how I ever have anything left over | Jul 19 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 14:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Maybe we can chug on over to mamby pamby land and find some self confidence for you, ya jackwagon! Crybaby!" | Jul 19 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 19 15:05 |
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| DaemonFC | hmm, that's odd | Jul 19 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | the daily live image for Ubuntu 10.10 is not oversized, but the alternate isntaller is | Jul 19 15:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Symbian Developer Cooperative (DevCo) - http://bit.ly/a9JESd "to give individuals a full voice in the governance of the #Symbian platform" | Jul 19 15:17 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[satipera/@satipera] What happened to the UK National Open Centre? http://is.gd/dy7bq !fs !techrights | Jul 19 15:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] U.S. Caves on Anti-Circumvention Rules in ACTA - http://bit.ly/bmbEux interesting analysis of important point #acta | Jul 19 15:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Dutch ISPs Don’t Have to Censor The Pirate Bay - http://bit.ly/dcgv5l a real roller-coaster ride #piratebay #nl | Jul 19 15:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Twitnovels – Crowdsourcing Novel Community - http://bit.ly/c9lmLP in Japanese (anything similar in english?) #twitter #collaboration #japan | Jul 19 15:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @LinuxTT: Wait... it's not the iPhone they're talking about, it's the Droid X - SOLD OUT http://bit.ly/bZp55T | Jul 19 15:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "Pay what you want" benefits companies, consumers, charities - http://bit.ly/aBj0nx one way to support free stuff #businessmodels | Jul 19 16:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Western Digital to fix Licensing? - http://bit.ly/9cqOiI @skwashd gamely tries to help #WD see the #freesw light#gpl | Jul 19 16:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @lxoliva: meus pensamentos sobre as prisões no caso Brazil Series: http://fsfla.org/blogs/lxo/2010-07-19-brazil-series | Jul 19 16:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi everyone | Jul 19 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I haven't been on the Internet since Thursday. Did Microsoft sue someone? :-) | Jul 19 17:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've been totally off the grid (Net) for 5 days and surprisingly nothing bad happened. | Jul 19 17:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I don't think I have ever been of the Net for so long (since 1999).. glad to have received some mail from people worried about the absence | Jul 19 17:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @satipera: European Commission to lay down software purchasing guidelines for its 27 member states http://is.gd/dyejY #fs | Jul 19 17:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Sorry for group-spam #fs :( | Jul 19 17:23 | |
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| schestowitz | Damn. The Wiki got spammed heavily | Jul 19 17:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] OpenStack - the beginning of the end of Eucalyptus and UbuntuCloud? Consolidation is always the most hectic part of a market. | Jul 19 17:35 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: I'm happy you're back Roy. It was strange and boring without you. Hope you had a nice little vacation though ;-) | Jul 19 17:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.garylsnyder.com/my_weblog/2010/07/screw-you-you-and-especially-you.html | Jul 19 17:41 |
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| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 19 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | the mayor is back | Jul 19 17:41 |
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| *DaemonFC knew he wouldn't pass up an $800,000 grant | Jul 19 17:41 | |
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| schestowitz | Back from...? | Jul 19 17:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst how's COLA? | Jul 19 17:47 | |
| DaemonFC | hiding under his desk | Jul 19 17:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Awful. Flatfish nymshifted to "The Hooded Plumper" and is nasty as never before ultra homophobic and ultra sexual oriented | Jul 19 17:49 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 17:49 |
| schestowitz | I'm now cleaning up some Wiki spam, then posting/catching up with IRC logs | Jul 19 17:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Some advocates are still trying to do their best, but it's mostly noise. | Jul 19 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: why? | Jul 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | He could shut his door with he undoes his zipper | Jul 19 17:51 |
| schestowitz | :-) Updike! | Jul 19 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Cause there's $850,000-ish that he can fritter away right now | Jul 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | I see... | Jul 19 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | and if he doesn't get re-elected, his successor will have to live up to the nastier stipulations of taking the grant | Jul 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Jul 19 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 17:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst what would you do about C.O.L.A. then? | Jul 19 17:53 | |
| schestowitz | Has anything major happened in the past 5 days? | Jul 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Like, you know, some lawsuits, or products...? | Jul 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | OH! Did ZUNE die? | Jul 19 17:53 |
| schestowitz | [yet?] | Jul 19 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Basically, he can fudge our budget and leave it to someone else to clean up the fallout even if he doesn't get re-elected | Jul 19 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | with some help from Obama | Jul 19 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Not really | Jul 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Nice | Jul 19 17:54 |
| schestowitz | So timing was good for me... | Jul 19 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Microsoft is now getting more lax on what constitutes a netbook | Jul 19 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | aside from the 13.1" screen size and no optical drive limit, there's now some "netbooks" at Walmart with some rather laptop-ish features | Jul 19 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | faster processors, 3 GB of RAM, etc | Jul 19 17:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nzcs.org.nz/news/blog.php?/archives/97-.html | Jul 19 17:56 |
| schestowitz | \0/ | Jul 19 17:56 |
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| DaemonFC | basically the OEMs are trying to stretch the definition of a netbook so they can keep getting cheap-ish Windows 7 Starter licenses | Jul 19 17:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Not waste any more time on it. Nice people stick together on Techrights, Openbytes etc. | Jul 19 17:56 | |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is now telling them they can't ship Windows XP after October | Jul 19 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | so they're all on the Windows 7: Shareware Edition bandwagon now | Jul 19 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I can tell, nobody actually likes Windows 7 Starter once they actually try and use it | Jul 19 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | most of them are angry and want to know how to get XP on it | Jul 19 17:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst it would be nine to convince Chris, HPT and others to just get the daily news at Techrights and … http://identi.ca/notice/42341310 | Jul 19 17:59 | |
| DaemonFC | those 3 GB of RAM "netbooks" have 4 slots, but there's no reason to actually use 4 GB when 32-bit Windows will fail to use most of the last GB | Jul 19 17:59 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I didn't see any zunes at Walmart this morning | Jul 19 18:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: There are a couple of really nice people in COLA, yet I don't take it serious any more. It has become one giant flamewar :-( | Jul 19 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC | and the accessories seem to all be on clearance | Jul 19 18:00 |
| squarepeg | welcome back, schestowitz | Jul 19 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like they're giving up on the Zune HD now even | Jul 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Ta | Jul 19 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I knew it would end like this, especially since there are basically no good HD Radio stations anywhere | Jul 19 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | people don't care about listening to jazz and Rush Limbaugh in higher quality | Jul 19 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | HD Radio wasn't even a living horse when Microsoft tried to hop on it with Zune HD | Jul 19 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer hopped onto the skeletal remains of the HD Radio horse and shouted "Yeehaw, giddyup!" | Jul 19 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, XM/Sirius now has a decent J2ME app | Jul 19 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | you can stream every station they have on your cell phone :) | Jul 19 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, The only reason I ran over to Walmart is because that's who I had the tire warranty with | Jul 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | and I came down the stairs this morning and noticed I had a flat | Jul 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | ran over a roofing nail somewhere | Jul 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I reinflated it with my bicycle pump and managed to get to Walmart on it | Jul 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | I also found it kind of neat that I can use any ATM in the country for free now | Jul 19 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's a nice perk | Jul 19 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | beats trying to hunt down a Wells Fargo ATM somewhere there may not be one | Jul 19 18:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: I understand. I could write a "I'm outta here" message to COLA and send you a concept before posting it. | Jul 19 18:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Google pulls the plug on N1 sales in US. Makes sense IMHO in a market with lots of #android phones. N1 still my fav tho. | Jul 19 18:18 | |
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| *DaemonFC is eating some of those new pretzel M&Ms | Jul 19 18:22 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Creating a FLOSS Roadmap, brick by BRIC - http://bit.ly/9XssVU OSS in Brazil is certainly happening, but the RIC lot seem slower #bric | Jul 19 18:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Should the Open Source Initiative adopt the Open Knowledge Definition? - http://bit.ly/ckZ2eu sounds a great idea #opendata #openknowledge | Jul 19 18:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is Famed Trademark Troll Leo Stoller Trying To Stealthily Reclaim Bogus Stealth Trademarks? - http://bit.ly/cnplqK wonderful saga #trolls | Jul 19 18:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Pinta is in the Ubuntu repos now | Jul 19 18:44 |
| ender2070 | i knew it | Jul 19 18:44 |
| ender2070 | I bet it will end up in 10.10 | Jul 19 18:45 |
| ender2070 | reason: gimp is gone and people need a simple way to *edit* stuff | Jul 19 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | what exactly is Ubuntu planning to sell in their Software Center? | Jul 19 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | 0.4+dfsg-1ubuntu1(pinta) | Jul 19 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | Open Source | Jul 19 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical does not provide updates for Pinta Image Editor. Some updates may be provided by the Ubuntu community. | Jul 19 18:46 |
| cubevector | gimp is gone? | Jul 19 18:47 |
| ender2070 | just a matter of time | Jul 19 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | at least it doesn't make the mistake Banshee did | Jul 19 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | I see it uses Cairo and not libgdiplus | Jul 19 18:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Jul 19 18:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | if they port gimp to c# | Jul 19 18:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im going to fucking port their c# to java | Jul 19 18:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | they better not fucking fuck with me | Jul 19 18:48 |
| *cubevector does slapt-get ---install gimp to make sure vector is OK | Jul 19 18:48 | |
| Diablo-D3 | because Im going to fuck their shit up | Jul 19 18:48 |
| ender2070 | Pinta is Paint.NET | Jul 19 18:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I'll be talking tomorrow in Manchster. All are welcome. http://ur1.ca/0nq4r | Jul 19 18:49 | |
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| cubevector | whatever, don't care about what Ubuntu/Canonical does | Jul 19 18:50 |
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| cubevector | good thing about FOSS, there's so many distros to choose from | Jul 19 18:53 |
| cubevector | something for everyone | Jul 19 18:53 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 19 18:53 |
| ender2070 | i just got back from school btw | Jul 19 18:53 |
| cubevector | oh yeah, i forgot I need inkscape too | Jul 19 18:54 |
| ender2070 | its been a few years since I was last at school | Jul 19 18:55 |
| ender2070 | 6 years | Jul 19 18:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I'm currently totally nuts about this song: The Hollies - Long Cool Woman In A Black Dress... Just can't get 'nuff of it :-p | Jul 19 18:55 | |
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| cubevector | there's an advantage to running a bunch of different eras of Linux | Jul 19 19:01 |
| cubevector | I can run really old and really new | Jul 19 19:01 |
| cubevector | all the Loki stuff | Jul 19 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is going to turn into rentalware | Jul 19 19:01 |
| cubevector | pfffft | Jul 19 19:01 |
| cubevector | really, so what? | Jul 19 19:01 |
| cubevector | GNU+Linux+X ftw | Jul 19 19:02 |
| cubevector | Linux != Ubuntu | Jul 19 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | "U.S. President Barack Obama last week set out a new domestic AIDS policy which asked states and federal agencies to find ways to cut new infections by 25 percent, get more patients treated quickly and educate Americans about HIV." | Jul 19 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | How about rescinding the "Jesus says your pee pee makes you a bad boy" sex ed policies set by Bush and the Christian far right? | Jul 19 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | instead of being pragmatic, they teach people to get into a "hate yourself if you don't have Jesus" mindset | Jul 19 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | of course they don't slap the Jesus label on it | Jul 19 19:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @spot: Sent another chromium patch upstream. Wanna take bets on whether they'll ignore it, just like all the rest? | #google #fail? | Jul 19 19:05 | |
| DaemonFC | but what else can you call "abstinence only" "education"? | Jul 19 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | hehe, I'm not going to have sex outside of marriage because that's what the government told me to do! | Jul 19 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | In the news today, AIDS vanishes, divorce rates are down! | Jul 19 19:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst no need at this stage | Jul 19 19:06 | |
| DaemonFC | weee!!! | Jul 19 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Flush at the end, please | Jul 19 19:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] sad sad sad mozilla, I cannot watch Jsconf2010 video . Why you are using flash ? Not available in ogg/webm http://mzl.la/a01R3z @mozhacks | Jul 19 19:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: OK ;-) | Jul 19 19:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Those who appreciate your work will find their way to http://techrights.org and identi.ca anyway | Jul 19 19:11 | |
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| cubevector | I never really thought of Stallman as "Controversial" | Jul 19 19:13 |
| ender2070 | cubevector - many distros to choose from and if you don't like them you can make your own (LFS) | Jul 19 19:13 |
| cubevector | I guess he is to a lot of people | Jul 19 19:13 |
| cubevector | I like some distros | Jul 19 19:14 |
| cubevector | obviously I like vector | Jul 19 19:14 |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <cubevector> I never really thought of Stallman as "Controversial" | Jul 19 19:15 |
| schestowitz | I noticed that too | Jul 19 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Whenever he's mentioned | Jul 19 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1222306 | Jul 19 19:15 |
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| cubevector | finally I got into 2.6 :) | Jul 19 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Controversial means contrarian | Jul 19 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | they shove Ubuntu One crap in your face even if you don't use it | Jul 19 19:15 |
| *WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-here | Jul 19 19:16 | |
| DaemonFC | and you don't even get much storage for the price | Jul 19 19:16 |
| cubevector | I pretty well agree with Stallman on almost every point | Jul 19 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | 10 gigs for $10 a month | Jul 19 19:16 |
| schestowitz | I agree on most | Jul 19 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | SpiderOak has 100 gigs for $10 a month | Jul 19 19:16 |
| schestowitz | That I know of (s/w) | Jul 19 19:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya ..sad sad mozilla, I cannot watch Jsconf2010 video . Why you are using flash ? Not available in ogg/webm http://mzl.la/a01R3z | Jul 19 19:16 | |
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| cubevector | DaemonFC, you know there's like 100 other distros besides Ubuntu right? | Jul 19 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | "But even if you dont add it up by year $10 a month for 10 gigs is pretty fair, its a dollar a gig." | Jul 19 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | an external 1 TB hard disk is $85 at Walmart | Jul 19 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | and you buy it once | Jul 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there are many cars other than Lada, unless you're in USSR | Jul 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | In USSR Lada drives _YOU_ | Jul 19 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't really think their Ubuntu One deal is fair | Jul 19 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's an outrageous rip off | Jul 19 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay has kids to feed | Jul 19 19:18 |
| cubevector | do they still make Ladas? | Jul 19 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Pay up, 'freetard' | Jul 19 19:18 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: it's like asking, "where's Waldo?" | Jul 19 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just plug in an external hard drive and dump everything onto it | Jul 19 19:18 |
| cubevector | I pay my ISP | Jul 19 19:18 |
| cubevector | you always pay, it's just a question of how much | Jul 19 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's cheaper and I'm not putting all my data on a remote system where I'll be profiled and sold down the river to government spy agencies | Jul 19 19:19 |
| ender2070 | cloud storage isn't smart | Jul 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Fograge | Jul 19 19:19 |
| cubevector | cloud... | Jul 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | "What kind of a blipping idiot throws his data into a bunch of fog?" | Jul 19 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Fog Computing crap with no obvious "off button" except to rip out everything with Ubuntu One in the name in Synaptic | Jul 19 19:20 |
| cubevector | meh | Jul 19 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | eventually they're going to get rid of Synaptic too | Jul 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | They will | Jul 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Already | Jul 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | CNR for the win | Jul 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Go Go Carmony! | Jul 19 19:21 |
| cubevector | Ubuntu for the loss | Jul 19 19:21 |
| cubevector | never did like it | Jul 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Come on baby light my fire! | Jul 19 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is becoming rather Linspire-ish lately | Jul 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what was the URL? | Jul 19 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | URL for what? | Jul 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | "Come on baby light my fire!" | Jul 19 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Jul 19 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | hold please | Jul 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | His blog.. | Jul 19 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Hilarious! | Jul 19 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://kevincarmony.com/linspire_videos/RunLinspire.swf | Jul 19 19:22 |
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| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | That tune is so gay it makes you change gender | Jul 19 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | just change Click n Run to Ubuntu Software Center | Jul 19 19:22 |
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| DaemonFC | aB-) | Jul 19 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | What's Kevin doing these days? | Jul 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Still dating site? | Jul 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Has he found dates yet? | Jul 19 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, he runs some kind of lame dating website | Jul 19 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Ahhh... | Jul 19 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I signed up for it just to look around | Jul 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Meat catalogues | Jul 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Select your portfolio partner | Jul 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | It's never what it says on the tin | Jul 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | But they don't do refunds :-) | Jul 19 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, he wants me to pay money for the crap so that the closest "match" is 400 miles away | Jul 19 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | no thanks | Jul 19 19:23 |
| *sebsebseb is enjoying having Mandriva on the other computer as well :) | Jul 19 19:23 | |
| schestowitz | LOL. You tried these? | Jul 19 19:23 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: nice | Jul 19 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 19 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: indeed | Jul 19 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It was trying to match me up with some guy on the far side of Ohio | Jul 19 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and Plymouth works great, and the NIvida driver, and yeah | Jul 19 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | silly Ubuntu | Jul 19 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | and its issue with that | Jul 19 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | and I was like "WTF!?!?" | Jul 19 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: hehe | Jul 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I was just talking about it the other day in London | Jul 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Those sites.. | Jul 19 19:24 |
| schestowitz | I'm gonna post some London pictures soon BTW | Jul 19 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's a steal at only $5 a month!!! | Jul 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | What? | Jul 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | The portfolio? | Jul 19 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Or the hitch? | Jul 19 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah | Jul 19 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | I could drive less than 250 miles and be in Canada | Jul 19 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | and it's trying to send me to the other side of Ohio | Jul 19 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Your match could be a dog in Kevin's site | Jul 19 19:26 |
| schestowitz | This is the guy who couldn't figure out how to not snog Ballmer | Jul 19 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Even if it matched me up with someone else in Indiana, that's not necessarily helpful | Jul 19 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's a longer drive from northern to southern Indiana than crossing all of Hungary | Jul 19 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | no offense MinceR | Jul 19 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 19 19:27 |
| schestowitz | http://fixunix.com/linux/380481-rival-linspire-shows-selling-out-ballmer-pointless.html | Jul 19 19:27 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've looked around on those dating sites before where I had over 1,000 "matches" all in Indiana | Jul 19 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | and the closest one was like Muncie or Anderson | Jul 19 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Could be a con | Jul 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | ex-con | Jul 19 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | which is over an hour's drive | Jul 19 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | on the freeway | Jul 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Could be your downstairs neighbour | Jul 19 19:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] jQuery Fundamentals - http://jqfundamentals.com/book/book.html @ Rebecca <3 | Jul 19 19:29 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: jQuery Fundamentals .::. Size~: 292 KB | Jul 19 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Floral assortment with baton centerpiece | Jul 19 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | you're OK no matter what comes to the door | Jul 19 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they used to call Kevin and Michael, "the Sunshine Boys" | Jul 19 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Or Kevin and the Sunshine Boys | Jul 19 19:30 |
| schestowitz | There was some dude in Digg called "Avram" who said that a zillion times. It's catchy | Jul 19 19:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] NewsTechnica: Home from Afghanistan by 2014 after the all-night rave http://newstechnica.com/?p=2366 | Jul 19 19:30 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Home from Afghanistan by 2014 after the all-night rave | NewsTechnica .::. Size~: 37.35 KB | Jul 19 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Ubuntu is really whoring for-pay services out like crazy | Jul 19 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not even sure I'd call it free as in gratis | Jul 19 19:31 |
| ender2070 | who cares about ubuntu | Jul 19 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's like Linux: Starter Edition | Jul 19 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, It's one of the few distros that's not an inch from bankruptcy or some weird half-broken developer cesspool | Jul 19 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 19:32 |
| ender2070 | Fedora | Jul 19 19:32 |
| ender2070 | Debian | Jul 19 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | uhhm, yeah | Jul 19 19:32 |
| cubevector | Vector :) | Jul 19 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | Debian makes it a nightmare to set up Pulseaudio correctly | Jul 19 19:33 |
| ender2070 | stop being a bitch | Jul 19 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | you'll either end up with weird sound glitches, no sound at all, or a shit ton of security holes | Jul 19 19:33 |
| ender2070 | learn how to do something and you won't have problems doing it | Jul 19 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora goes out of their way to break FGLRX | Jul 19 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | but lets Nvidia binary drivers work | Jul 19 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | and Mandriva? Who the hell knows what their deal is? | Jul 19 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | There's some mystery buyers they won't name | Jul 19 19:34 |
| ender2070 | nvidia doesn't do stupid shit with their drivers like ati | Jul 19 19:34 |
| cubevector | compare Vector or Fedora to Windows 7 | Jul 19 19:34 |
| cubevector | it's no contest | Jul 19 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | You tell me who bought Mandriva | Jul 19 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | and I'll tell you if I still trust Mandriva | Jul 19 19:34 |
| ender2070 | ubuntu goes out of their way to break free software | Jul 19 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I considered OpenSuse until I remembered Yast | Jul 19 19:35 |
| ender2070 | catering to proprietary hardware developers | Jul 19 19:35 |
| cubevector | time for someone to check out distrowatch I think | Jul 19 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | there's PCLinuxOS which thinks it's still 2003 | Jul 19 19:35 |
| ender2070 | cubevector - hes not interested in learning anything, he just wants to be a bitch and complain hoping we care | Jul 19 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | There's Mint, which is Ubuntu and is trying to squiggle away and off to Debian | Jul 19 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | and who knows whether that will drop into place or need a formatting? | Jul 19 19:36 |
| ender2070 | Mint will be better when its Debian based | Jul 19 19:36 |
| cubevector | ok, why don't you try every distro on the damned list :) | Jul 19 19:36 |
| cubevector | then get back to us | Jul 19 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much have | Jul 19 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | Sabayon is nice until you try to install something | Jul 19 19:37 |
| cubevector | I bet you didn't try Vector | Jul 19 19:37 |
| ender2070 | he didnt try vanilla gentoo either | Jul 19 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | MEPIS can't recognize my ethernet adapter and forces you to use Ext3 or Ext4 | Jul 19 19:37 |
| cubevector | :-P | Jul 19 19:38 |
| ender2070 | xfs sucks | Jul 19 19:38 |
| cubevector | there's no magic OS that's perfect | Jul 19 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | have you ever gone into the fitting room to try things on and nothing fit right? | Jul 19 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | it was too loose here or it pulled on you there? | Jul 19 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's what Linux distros tend to be | Jul 19 19:39 |
| cubevector | nope, I wear super stretchy pants | Jul 19 19:39 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - theres LFS you know | Jul 19 19:39 |
| ender2070 | you can design your whole outfit | Jul 19 19:39 |
| cubevector | he's too lazy for LFS | Jul 19 19:39 |
| ender2070 | obviously | Jul 19 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | you're right | Jul 19 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | I want a "bombs away" distro | Jul 19 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | that works without hacking on obscure settings somewhere | Jul 19 19:39 |
| ender2070 | with windows you have one choice | Jul 19 19:40 |
| ender2070 | everything sucks | Jul 19 19:40 |
| cubevector | the whole point of FOSS is you have source code | Jul 19 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but everything sucks consistently | Jul 19 19:40 |
| schestowitz | but it's says "WindowS" (plural) | Jul 19 19:40 |
| cubevector | bah | Jul 19 19:40 |
| ender2070 | daemon's definition of obscure: plain text human readable and documented config files | Jul 19 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | it seems like things have devolved into "pay us" or "put all 5,000 pieces together yourself and bring your own glue" | Jul 19 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Jul 15 16:59:54 <DaemonFC>finally I ran over the 4-5 foot tall weeds in that row with the mower :D | Jul 19 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Jul 19 19:41 |
| *schestowitz catches up with Thurs. onwards | Jul 19 19:41 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it was wicked | Jul 19 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | it was like a salad shooter | Jul 19 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | it was fun | Jul 19 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Jul 15 17:00:05 <DaemonFC>that was oddly satisfying | Jul 19 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Who would be insane enough to invest in Mandriva? | Jul 19 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | they have no patents, they've proven repeatedly that they can't break even on their distro | Jul 19 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | it reminds me of this little fast food location in town that has changed ownership like 10 times in the years I've lived here | Jul 19 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Jul 15 17:06:21 -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Neelie Kroes about open source: "What if we are sued if we infringe someone else IP if we use this?" IP=patents? http://ur1.ca/0osa1 | Jul 19 19:44 |
| schestowitz | WTH? | Jul 19 19:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- [GUADEC2010] Neelie Kroes on open source and the importance of communities .::. Size~: 88.38 KB | Jul 19 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | something opens up, it stays open til the owner is sick of losing money, it sits empty for months, and someone else walks up, turns it into something else, and then it all starts over | Jul 19 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Kroes: "it Yooshed to be.." | Jul 19 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Ubuntu will make money from attempting to rip people off so blatantly | Jul 19 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | what will they do? stop you from ripping out Ubuntu One and installing SpiderOak (or nothing at all)? | Jul 19 19:45 |
| ender2070 | he just wants to complain about Ubuntu trying to make money | Jul 19 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Ubuntu One seems to be trying to make money the same way those people that lunge out and wash your windshield do | Jul 19 19:46 |
| cubevector | dude, you need to try BL3 | Jul 19 19:46 |
| cubevector | that will make you happy | Jul 19 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | they want your money after they've already "done something for you" | Jul 19 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | that you did not ask for | Jul 19 19:46 |
| ender2070 | hardly | Jul 19 19:47 |
| ender2070 | you're taking it a bit too far | Jul 19 19:47 |
| ender2070 | nobody is requiring you use those pay services | Jul 19 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | What else do you call something that's already installed, won't let any competing software integrate or work properly in its place, and tries to make the user deal with it if they want it or not? | Jul 19 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | Internet Explorer | Jul 19 19:48 |
| ender2070 | in fact you can uninstall that stuff | Jul 19 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | or Ubuntu One? | Jul 19 19:48 |
| ender2070 | my server pwnage.ca still runs ubuntu, I don't have Ubuntu One installed | Jul 19 19:48 |
| ender2070 | nor am I required to have it | Jul 19 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's default and could become mandatory | Jul 19 19:49 |
| ender2070 | stop being a whiney bitch, you're getting something for free which could in fact be sold behind a paywall | Jul 19 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | the way they broke the notification tray | Jul 19 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, They gave away Linspire for free quite a number of times | Jul 19 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | because they knew it was useless without Click N Run subscriptions | Jul 19 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | I know Ubuntu is not interested in charging for Ubuntu when they can just corral people into their new Click N Run system | Jul 19 19:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard Times paywall miserable failure http://is.gd/dt8Wt Even paid subscribers aren't going past registration page. | Jul 19 19:50 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: What’s Really Going on Behind Murdoch’s Paywall? .::. Size~: 134.79 KB | Jul 19 19:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they clicked and ran | Jul 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Ran into the sunshine/sunset! | Jul 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, How long you figure it will be before you have to pay for noncommercial FOSS downloads? | Jul 19 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's what Linspire did | Jul 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | And Michael and Kevin lives happily ever after (after the settlement) | Jul 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | *livd | Jul 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | *lived even | Jul 19 19:51 |
| ender2070 | ever heard of Freespire | Jul 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | They killed it | Jul 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Xandros | Jul 19 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I listened to Linux Outlaws last week | Jul 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | 2 year old show | Jul 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I figure that eventually you'll need some kind of lig-in account to use the Software Center | Jul 19 19:52 |
| schestowitz | And it was interesting to hear their plan in retro | Jul 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | and they'll take Synaptic out of the repository | Jul 19 19:52 |
| ender2070 | Ubuntu claims their software will always be free of charge | Jul 19 19:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] German Federal CIO sides with Open Standards for public sector - http://bit.ly/cnzHL4 first Neelie, now Cornelia... #openstandards #de | Jul 19 19:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: German Federal CIO sides with Open Standards for public sector .::. Size~: 8.05 KB | Jul 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | *log-in | Jul 19 19:52 |
| ender2070 | they can't get rid of apt-get | Jul 19 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Linspire never got rid of apt-get | Jul 19 19:53 |
| ender2070 | then nothing was locked out | Jul 19 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | technically you could insert your own repositories | Jul 19 19:53 |
| ender2070 | you can install your own stuff | Jul 19 19:53 |
| ender2070 | seeing how popular ubuntu is, there would be tons of repos that will show up | Jul 19 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | including one offering Synaptic | Jul 19 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, maybe | Jul 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | gcc? | Jul 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | apt-get | Jul 19 19:54 |
| ender2070 | not to mention having a compiler | Jul 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Remove those | Jul 19 19:54 |
| ender2070 | cant remove apt-get | Jul 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: Ubuntu is a over hyped joke of a distro since 9.04/9.10/10.04 | Jul 19 19:54 |
| ender2070 | then they cant install debs | Jul 19 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | they're removing aptitude | Jul 19 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | which is just insane | Jul 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: we need bristolix | Jul 19 19:54 |
| ender2070 | apt-get > aptitude | Jul 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: to save space in the ISO | Jul 19 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | what was that? like 100 entire kilobytes? | Jul 19 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: whats that? | Jul 19 19:54 |
| schestowitz | one's own distro | Jul 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | fedora spin maybe | Jul 19 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva :) only very little things that don't matter much and are easy to change, that annoy me about it | Jul 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Where's BLAG from? | Jul 19 19:55 |
| ender2070 | blag is from 2007 | Jul 19 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I think it was some UK town | Jul 19 19:55 |
| ender2070 | :P | Jul 19 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | apaprently the shit you buy in the Ubuntu One Music store doesn't count agaisnt your storage quota | Jul 19 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: on the subject of that | Jul 19 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | from something I read | Jul 19 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | so as long as you buy all your music as MP3's from them, you can store infinite tracks | Jul 19 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | it seems they are going to really try and get people using Ubuntu One in 11.04 | Jul 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Bravo to Banshee | Jul 19 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | but if you have your own library you'd like to back up, you're SOL | Jul 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | They now connect to Ubuntu1 | Jul 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Fetch your music | Jul 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Ready for that Mono+forbidden bits | Jul 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | UbuntuOneMicrosoftWay | Jul 19 19:56 |
| ender2070 | 1) People using cloud storage are SOL anyways | Jul 19 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Let's stop saying "cloud' :-) | Jul 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | ender2070: SOL ? | Jul 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | It'll make it harder for them to sell | Jul 19 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | what astounds me is all the cobwebs in those online music stores | Jul 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Call it dogpile or something | Jul 19 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | cloud no thanks, I can store my own data | Jul 19 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon still sells MP3s encoded with versions of LAME from 2000 | Jul 19 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think the newest version I've seen them use was 3.97 | Jul 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | I actually hate clouds | Jul 19 19:57 |
| schestowitz | They are usually grey and pissing it down here... no windmills and angels | Jul 19 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | angels? | Jul 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | YEah | Jul 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | With the garden gates | Jul 19 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | the "record companies" make MP3s in batches and hand those out as the only copy anyone can sell | Jul 19 19:58 |
| ender2070 | I hate clouds too but just the ones containing aluminum oxide and barium | Jul 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Heaven is so fluffy you never need a blanket | Jul 19 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | and if they used a version of LAME from 10 years ago with a shit load of bugs, oh well | Jul 19 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | buy it or don't :P | Jul 19 19:58 |
| schestowitz | You just hang around naked with your thingie, like the kiddie angels | Jul 19 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Record companies don't care, that certain peole want open formats, MP3 is good enough for the record companies | Jul 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Why does the bearded God always hang out with naked kids? | Jul 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | What does he think he is, Mo? | Jul 19 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: at the end of the day its not like they care about music formats much, the record companies or music sellers, they care instead only really about making money out of the music | Jul 19 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's true | Jul 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I was in the London art museum on Saturday and there are many picture there of naked young boys | Jul 19 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | yeah yeah Ubuntu I know, but Jono is also doing his own music under Creative Commons :) | Jul 19 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | as long as people will buy inferior quality, they'll sell a never ending supply of mediocrity | Jul 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Then I thought of the WIkipedia/IWF thing | Jul 19 19:59 |
| schestowitz | I mean, this is dirty art | Jul 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | They need to burn down the place | Jul 19 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | so Jono is going to try and change the music world as well, it seems :) | Jul 19 20:00 |
| schestowitz | It could attract pedophiles | Jul 19 20:00 |
| ender2070 | [14:54] <DaemonFC> as long as people will buy inferior quality, they'll sell a never ending supply of mediocrity | Jul 19 20:00 |
| ender2070 | they learned this when they shifted from vinyl to cassette tape and cd | Jul 19 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | it just kind of makes me laugh that you're buying the same MP3 in Ubuntu One that they had on one of their own failed stores 8-9 years ago | Jul 19 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | they never batch re-encode anything even as the encoders get much better | Jul 19 20:01 |
| cubevector | hold on a sec | Jul 19 20:01 |
| cubevector | CD was way better that cassette tape | Jul 19 20:01 |
| ender2070 | CD and cassette suck compared to vinyl | Jul 19 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: anyway this is what I was refering to http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/ubuntu-one-control-panel-beauty-in.html | Jul 19 20:02 |
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| sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/ubuntu-one-control-panel-beauty-in.html | Jul 19 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Ubuntu One Control Panel: Beauty in simplicity | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 67.6 KB | Jul 19 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, with the exception of bad CD batches, the quality of the CDs they sell now is the same as it was in the 1980s | Jul 19 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | but quality varies drastically year over year with things like MP3 encoders | Jul 19 20:03 |
| cubevector | uh, I work for a sound engineer :) | Jul 19 20:03 |
| cubevector | no need for vinyl | Jul 19 20:04 |
| ender2070 | but you aren't one | Jul 19 20:04 |
| ender2070 | vinyl has better audio quality | Jul 19 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's a difference between just spitting out a valid bitstream and having a heavily optimized encoder that's had all the bugs beaten out of it over the last decade | Jul 19 20:04 |
| ender2070 | every expert will agree with me | Jul 19 20:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Olha a #Optimus a tentar esquivar-se de desbloquear o Optimus Boston da cara metade... still in call... 18 min | Jul 19 20:04 | |
| cubevector | we don't use vinyl, we have studer's | Jul 19 20:04 |
| ender2070 | CD is only better than cassette tapes | Jul 19 20:04 |
| schestowitz | For what? | Jul 19 20:04 |
| cubevector | broadcast quality magnetic tape reels | Jul 19 20:04 |
| schestowitz | They are storage types | Jul 19 20:04 |
| ender2070 | audio | Jul 19 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Discrete | Jul 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Tape is not. Tape also degrades faster | Jul 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Same with vinyl | Jul 19 20:05 |
| cubevector | high quality magnetic tape can last for 30 years or more | Jul 19 20:05 |
| ender2070 | cds degrade too | Jul 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | But not changed | Jul 19 20:05 |
| cubevector | we still use it | Jul 19 20:05 |
| schestowitz | THe signal stays in tact | Jul 19 20:06 |
| ender2070 | vinyl is still the best audio quality, supports a higher frequency range | Jul 19 20:06 |
| ender2070 | cds can get scratches and fingerprints and devices that read them can skip | Jul 19 20:07 |
| cubevector | that's funny ender2070 | Jul 19 20:07 |
| cubevector | you make me laugh | Jul 19 20:07 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 19 20:07 |
| ender2070 | you make me laugh too | Jul 19 20:07 |
| cubevector | ask CBC archives | Jul 19 20:07 |
| cubevector | I talk to them a lot | Jul 19 20:07 |
| ender2070 | does CBC archives do consumer audio? | Jul 19 20:07 |
| cubevector | they used magnetic tape studer machines | Jul 19 20:08 |
| cubevector | I believe you have heard of CBC radio? :) | Jul 19 20:08 |
| ender2070 | they aren't using consumer level cassette tapes or cd's for archiving | Jul 19 20:08 |
| ender2070 | i bet you | Jul 19 20:09 |
| cubevector | of course not | Jul 19 20:09 |
| cubevector | well, I'm not 100% sure actually | Jul 19 20:09 |
| ender2070 | thats what im talking about | Jul 19 20:09 |
| cubevector | probably not | Jul 19 20:09 |
| ender2070 | obviously studio quality stuff is better | Jul 19 20:09 |
| ender2070 | how do you think george lucas remastered his star wars films | Jul 19 20:10 |
| cubevector | you're suggesting vinyl is the best, and it's not | Jul 19 20:10 |
| ender2070 | its the best we can get for regular music | Jul 19 20:10 |
| cubevector | if someone does a crappy job it's a crappy job | Jul 19 20:10 |
| cubevector | whether it's any media | Jul 19 20:10 |
| cubevector | if the production is bad it's bad | Jul 19 20:11 |
| ender2070 | my point was CD is a downgrade from vinyl | Jul 19 20:11 |
| cubevector | I'll ask the experts, I'm not sure about that | Jul 19 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | My dad is trying to drop in OpenSuse 11.3 on top of his 11.2 system | Jul 19 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | which was dropped on top of 11.1 | Jul 19 20:11 |
| cubevector | maybe vinyl is better than CD in _some_ ways | Jul 19 20:11 |
| ender2070 | in audio quality | Jul 19 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | which he installed atop 11.0, 10.3, 10.2... | Jul 19 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | going all the way back to 10.0 I think | Jul 19 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's a mess | Jul 19 20:12 |
| cubevector | a good CD can be very good | Jul 19 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | I think he even told me that system still uses ReiserFS | Jul 19 20:12 |
| cubevector | I just helped with one last year | Jul 19 20:12 |
| ender2070 | its still stuck at 44 Khz | Jul 19 20:12 |
| cubevector | ender2070, do you even own a turntable? | Jul 19 20:13 |
| ender2070 | no | Jul 19 20:13 |
| ender2070 | why do I have to own a turntable to know that cds are all 44 Khz ? | Jul 19 20:14 |
| ender2070 | i dont care about what your original copy is | Jul 19 20:14 |
| ender2070 | on cd its 44 Khz | Jul 19 20:14 |
| cubevector | my originals are magnetic tape | Jul 19 20:14 |
| cubevector | I archive from magnetic tape to CD | Jul 19 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://wiki.opensuse.org/images/2/20/OSS113-meego.png | Jul 19 20:15 |
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| cubevector | believe me, CD is safer | Jul 19 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee on Meego | Jul 19 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | joy | Jul 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Jul 15 19:21:00 <ender2070>they tell me i'm 1 in 20 who scored so high on their entrance exam > Congrats | Jul 19 20:15 |
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| cubevector | actually film lasts the longest but... | Jul 19 20:15 |
| ender2070 | sure, the CD is safer | Jul 19 20:15 |
| cubevector | with vinyl originals do you even want to handle those? | Jul 19 20:15 |
| ender2070 | I would rather go from vinyl to pc | Jul 19 20:16 |
| ender2070 | vs cd to pc | Jul 19 20:16 |
| cubevector | I listened to CBC archive original magnetic tape, it was damned good | Jul 19 20:16 |
| cubevector | you would agree with me if you heard it | Jul 19 20:16 |
| ender2070 | you're using ears to try to prove me wrong? | Jul 19 20:17 |
| cubevector | this was from the 60's so it's pretty old too | Jul 19 20:17 |
| cubevector | no, I'm not even arguing | Jul 19 20:17 |
| cubevector | I just don't think vinyl is that great | Jul 19 20:17 |
| ender2070 | your speakers probably killed the quality so you couldn't even tell the difference | Jul 19 20:17 |
| cubevector | the speakers were 4 grand for the set | Jul 19 20:17 |
| ender2070 | schestowitz - thanks | Jul 19 20:18 |
| cubevector | not mine though, the studio's | Jul 19 20:18 |
| ender2070 | your also old and you can't even hear the same frequency range as a younger person | Jul 19 20:18 |
| ender2070 | there are so many things | Jul 19 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | there was a guy who had a Youtube video on getting KDE to recognize your webcam microphone | Jul 19 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | it involves installing a bunch of stuff from GNOME and Pulseaudio | Jul 19 20:18 |
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| cubevector | of course stuff for television used sound terrible | Jul 19 20:19 |
| cubevector | tv speakers weren't very good | Jul 19 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | KDE's utter lack of support for basic audio device management makes me want to facepalm | Jul 19 20:19 |
| cubevector | now they are a bit better | Jul 19 20:19 |
| ender2070 | were their cables digital or analog? if analog were they using gold connections ? | Jul 19 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | to say nothing about how they have nothing like Cheese at all | Jul 19 20:19 |
| ender2070 | how was the quality of the cabling they used | Jul 19 20:19 |
| cubevector | ender2070, he's a CBC audio guy with 40 years of experience | Jul 19 20:19 |
| ender2070 | was there background noise | Jul 19 20:19 |
| cubevector | he knows what's good | Jul 19 20:20 |
| ender2070 | but the CBC guy wasn't saying vinyl is bad compared to cd | Jul 19 20:20 |
| ender2070 | he'll probably tell you more technical reasons why its better | Jul 19 20:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Não compreendo a Optimus. Estamos no período de devolução. Nada impede devolução, nova compra. Só dão é chatices a todos. Eles e nós. | Jul 19 20:20 | |
| ender2070 | than CD | Jul 19 20:20 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Jul 19 20:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "If you can afford it, carry a second Verizon phone for backup" --Steve Wozniak on #hypephone 4 | Jul 19 20:21 | |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse finally got rid of GTK 1.x | Jul 19 20:21 |
| cubevector | we have turntables of course | Jul 19 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu did that years ago | Jul 19 20:21 |
| ender2070 | http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm | Jul 19 20:21 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: HowStuffWorks "Is the sound on vinyl records better than on CDs or DVDs?" .::. Size~: 62.71 KB | Jul 19 20:21 |
| cubevector | I wouldn't want my stuff on vinyl, end of story | Jul 19 20:22 |
| ender2070 | "A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion." | Jul 19 20:22 |
| ender2070 | bam | Jul 19 20:22 |
| cubevector | "But there is a downside, any specks of dust or damage to the disc can be heard as noise or static. During quiet spots in songs this noise may be heard over the music. Digital recordings don't degrade over time, and if the digital recording contains silence, then there will be no noise." | Jul 19 20:22 |
| cubevector | bam | Jul 19 20:22 |
| ender2070 | digital is by DEFINITION, LOSSY | Jul 19 20:22 |
| cubevector | 1 sec later | Jul 19 20:22 |
| *amarsh04 still uses GTK 1.x to run xmms 1.2 | Jul 19 20:23 | |
| *DaemonFC should just fumigate for Ubuntu One and call it perfect until they decide to do something else to him | Jul 19 20:23 | |
| cubevector | right, the hiss and pops really add to the quality | Jul 19 20:23 |
| ender2070 | so does skipping cubevector | Jul 19 20:23 |
| cubevector | so rip the wav file to your computer | Jul 19 20:23 |
| ender2070 | you can do that with vinyl too | Jul 19 20:23 |
| ender2070 | dumbass | Jul 19 20:23 |
| ender2070 | your digital copy is lossy | Jul 19 20:23 |
| ender2070 | end of story | Jul 19 20:24 |
| cubevector | you don't even own a turntable you pisser | Jul 19 20:24 |
| ender2070 | YOUR DIGITAL COPY IS ******LOSSY********* | Jul 19 20:24 |
| ender2070 | END OF STORY | Jul 19 20:24 |
| ender2070 | it does not matter what I own | Jul 19 20:24 |
| cubevector | whatever | Jul 19 20:24 |
| ender2070 | it does not change science | Jul 19 20:24 |
| cubevector | you like to argue | Jul 19 20:24 |
| ender2070 | you do too | Jul 19 20:25 |
| cubevector | and got fired over it, I still have my job | Jul 19 20:25 |
| ender2070 | I got fired because I was accused of something I didn't do | Jul 19 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | sudo apt-get autoremove ubuntuone* python-ubuntuone* --purge | Jul 19 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 19 20:26 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - see I told you that would be possible :) | Jul 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | The following packages will be REMOVED: | Jul 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | libsyncdaemon-1.0-1* libubuntuone-1.0-1* python-ubuntuone* | Jul 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | python-ubuntuone-client* python-ubuntuone-storageprotocol* | Jul 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store* ubuntuone-client* ubuntuone-client-gnome* | Jul 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 8 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | Jul 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | After this operation, 3,305kB disk space will be freed. | Jul 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | Do you want to continue [Y/n]? | Jul 19 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 20:26 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - I wonder how many ubuntu derivatives will pop up when you're theory becomes correct | Jul 19 20:26 |
| ender2070 | your* | Jul 19 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | you mean when they stop trying to be a "default pain in the ass that you can remove" | Jul 19 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | and start forcing it on you? | Jul 19 20:27 |
| ender2070 | yeah | Jul 19 20:27 |
| cubevector | btw, DVD audio goes up to 192 kHz | Jul 19 20:27 |
| cubevector | just saying | Jul 19 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Jul 19 20:28 |
| cubevector | the stupid thing about your argument is I'm old enough to have used vinyl | Jul 19 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | must log out to unload the memory resident crap | Jul 19 20:28 |
| cubevector | I still own quite a few records | Jul 19 20:28 |
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| cubevector | and you can believe I'll archive it to digital to save them | Jul 19 20:29 |
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| ender2070 | it'll still be lossy though once you do | Jul 19 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | much better | Jul 19 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | that Python extension for Ubuntu One in Nautilus is the most annoying part | Jul 19 20:30 |
| ender2070 | digitizing the original waveform makes it lossy | Jul 19 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | takes up real estate and slows Nautilus down | Jul 19 20:30 |
| cubevector | great, I think I'll listen to the pops and hiss on my original Star Wars LP ;) | Jul 19 20:30 |
| cubevector | I can't wait | Jul 19 20:30 |
| ender2070 | take better care of your records | Jul 19 20:30 |
| cubevector | I don't even have a working turntable | Jul 19 20:32 |
| cubevector | it died like 20 years ago | Jul 19 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | indicator-crapplet has also been a pain | Jul 19 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | it assumes you actually want to use Empathy | Jul 19 20:33 |
| cubevector | I'll listen to some vinyl at the studio later | Jul 19 20:33 |
| ender2070 | a badly maintained cd has similar issues with background noises | Jul 19 20:33 |
| ender2070 | I have a weird al cd from 1992 that skips in everything | Jul 19 20:33 |
| cubevector | well it's probably pitted | Jul 19 20:33 |
| cubevector | nothing lasts forever | Jul 19 20:34 |
| ender2070 | diamonds do | Jul 19 20:34 |
| cubevector | I'm sure Al wouldn't mind if you torrented it :) | Jul 19 20:34 |
| cubevector | you want greater dynamic range then get dvd-audio | Jul 19 20:35 |
| ender2070 | he wouldn't be able to do anything if i got it on p2p | Jul 19 20:35 |
| cubevector | don't bother with vinyl, unless you're archiving them | Jul 19 20:35 |
| cubevector | that's the only reason I can think of to use vinyl | Jul 19 20:35 |
| ender2070 | im only interested in getting beetles vinyl to flac conversions | Jul 19 20:35 |
| cubevector | one old customer told me that they liked the pops and hiss on vinyl, go figure | Jul 19 20:36 |
| cubevector | but whatever floats your boat | Jul 19 20:36 |
| ender2070 | this is what bothers me alot about independent artists, they aren't technical enough to know that making their original song an mp3 is stupid | Jul 19 20:36 |
| ender2070 | the pops and hiss on vinyl is if you don't take care of your records | Jul 19 20:37 |
| cubevector | they said theirs.... | Jul 19 20:37 |
| cubevector | their vinyl records | Jul 19 20:37 |
| ender2070 | a lot of people dont maintain their shit properly | Jul 19 20:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Windows Phone 7: Don't bother with this disaster - http://tinyurl.com/24n65n3 #mvpbuzz #mvp #microsoft #windows #xp #vista | Jul 19 20:37 | |
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| cubevector | well that is true | Jul 19 20:37 |
| ender2070 | i take good care of my damageable media | Jul 19 20:37 |
| amarsh04 | cdparanoia helps a lot | Jul 19 20:37 |
| cubevector | I've seen some pretty banged up equipment | Jul 19 20:38 |
| ender2070 | DVD solves the low bitrate problem | Jul 19 20:38 |
| ender2070 | but | Jul 19 20:38 |
| ender2070 | it doesn't make analog to digital non-lossy | Jul 19 20:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The future looks promising for Linux on most mobile phones, esp. with Nokia making the switch | Jul 19 20:38 | |
| cubevector | there's no way I'm going to buy vinyl records though | Jul 19 20:38 |
| cubevector | archive the ones I have, yes | Jul 19 20:38 |
| cubevector | let the studio remaster stuff | Jul 19 20:38 |
| ender2070 | sealed vinyl records won't be cheap | Jul 19 20:38 |
| cubevector | they can do a better job than we can | Jul 19 20:39 |
| cubevector | I'll use the studers when necessary, I have access | Jul 19 20:39 |
| ender2070 | well the best would be to have the studio produce the audio entirely on computer and encode it in a lossless format | Jul 19 20:40 |
| cubevector | some 60's era stuff was almost inaudible on 1/4 inch tape | Jul 19 20:40 |
| cubevector | 1/2 inch tape seems to last longer | Jul 19 20:40 |
| cubevector | you're saying is always lossy though | Jul 19 20:41 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 19 20:41 |
| cubevector | just by going digital | Jul 19 20:41 |
| ender2070 | analog to digital | Jul 19 20:41 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 19 20:41 |
| ender2070 | what if you start off digital | Jul 19 20:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Revendo a situação, só o pagamos quando o levantamos no correio no dia 9, e é só a partir daqui que conta. Portanto é mesmo só para chatear. | Jul 19 20:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] É mesmo só para chatear que tentam não desbloquear... | Jul 19 20:41 | |
| ender2070 | such as dance music | Jul 19 20:41 |
| cubevector | what I'm saying is that top quality 1/2 magnetic tape can last 30 years or more | Jul 19 20:42 |
| cubevector | but CBC got rid of their tape machines, mostly | Jul 19 20:42 |
| ender2070 | hopefully computers will get the ability to properly convert analog sound to digital | Jul 19 20:42 |
| ender2070 | without losing the original wavefrom signal | Jul 19 20:42 |
| cubevector | good digitial is still very very good | Jul 19 20:43 |
| cubevector | and way safer | Jul 19 20:43 |
| cubevector | I also archive kodachrome slides | Jul 19 20:44 |
| cubevector | you think slides will last forever? | Jul 19 20:44 |
| cubevector | no way | Jul 19 20:44 |
| ender2070 | you're talking about something else entirely | Jul 19 20:44 |
| cubevector | you have to archive to digital alway | Jul 19 20:44 |
| cubevector | anyway | Jul 19 20:44 |
| ender2070 | longevity != audio quality | Jul 19 20:44 |
| cubevector | well you're going to lose it all if you dont | Jul 19 20:44 |
| ender2070 | true | Jul 19 20:45 |
| ender2070 | im not arguing against archiving | Jul 19 20:45 |
| cubevector | unless you can fix your turntable for 60 years | Jul 19 20:45 |
| ender2070 | my point was vinyl sounds better than cd | Jul 19 20:45 |
| ender2070 | im not comparing all the benefits or cons of each | Jul 19 20:45 |
| cubevector | yes, but I did mention my access to tape archives yes? | Jul 19 20:45 |
| ender2070 | vinyl wouldn't be possible to have in your car | Jul 19 20:45 |
| cubevector | I didn't start beaking off about CDs anyways | Jul 19 20:45 |
| ender2070 | its not portable | Jul 19 20:45 |
| cubevector | just archiving | Jul 19 20:46 |
| ender2070 | archiving is fine but they are archiving from sources way better than vinyl cd or cassette tapes | Jul 19 20:46 |
| cubevector | your argument would be a lot more convincing if you actually owned a turnable | Jul 19 20:46 |
| ender2070 | not at all | Jul 19 20:46 |
| ender2070 | you just don't have a very logical mind | Jul 19 20:47 |
| cubevector | yes, because then I'd know you actually listened to vinyl | Jul 19 20:47 |
| ender2070 | science goes over your head | Jul 19 20:47 |
| ender2070 | you can't judge a painting unless you paint? | Jul 19 20:47 |
| cubevector | I even work at a sound studio part time sheesh | Jul 19 20:47 |
| cubevector | you're Mr. Know it all eh? | Jul 19 20:47 |
| ender2070 | I've read about it | Jul 19 20:48 |
| ender2070 | I just showed you a link to a site which shows you what happens to the waveform | Jul 19 20:49 |
| cubevector | the needle of a record actually makes contact | Jul 19 20:50 |
| ender2070 | "This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound. But there is a downside, any specks of dust or damage to the disc can be heard as noise or static. During quiet spots in songs this noise may be heard over the music. Digital recordings don't degrade over time, and if the digital recording contains silence, then there will be no noise." | Jul 19 20:50 |
| cubevector | so the vinyl degrades over time if you use it | Jul 19 20:50 |
| ender2070 | i love how you cut the quote short | Jul 19 20:50 |
| cubevector | yeah whatever | Jul 19 20:50 |
| ender2070 | to show how wrong you are | Jul 19 20:50 |
| ender2070 | *****************waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound*************** | Jul 19 20:50 |
| cubevector | so go buy vinyl then | Jul 19 20:51 |
| ender2070 | http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/question487.gif | Jul 19 20:51 |
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| cubevector | oh that's right, you can't afford it :) | Jul 19 20:51 |
| cubevector | you can quote internet articles, but you have no real experience | Jul 19 20:51 |
| ender2070 | my point was, vinyl > cd | Jul 19 20:51 |
| ender2070 | science is my proof | Jul 19 20:52 |
| ender2070 | my ears aren't accurate enough to tell the difference | Jul 19 20:52 |
| ender2070 | my brain will alter it too | Jul 19 20:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: none taken | Jul 19 20:52 |
| cubevector | some day you'll argue with the wrong person, oops you already did | Jul 19 20:53 |
| cubevector | I don't give a toss about Cds | Jul 19 20:53 |
| ender2070 | can you convince me using logic, science and proof? | Jul 19 20:53 |
| ender2070 | you're giving me nothing but ANECDOTAL evidence | Jul 19 20:53 |
| ender2070 | "i have a friend who says this" | Jul 19 20:53 |
| cubevector | I work with him | Jul 19 20:54 |
| ender2070 | so | Jul 19 20:54 |
| cubevector | we don't even touch vinyl, maybe once a year if that | Jul 19 20:54 |
| ender2070 | he likely knows this already | Jul 19 20:54 |
| cubevector | he never uses vinyl | Jul 19 20:54 |
| ender2070 | you guys are working with quality deemed 'good enough' | Jul 19 20:54 |
| cubevector | seriously | Jul 19 20:54 |
| cubevector | you're pissing in the wind here | Jul 19 20:55 |
| ender2070 | how does that change my stance that vinyl > cd ? | Jul 19 20:55 |
| cubevector | I believe the expression is "cutting off your nose to spite your face" | Jul 19 20:55 |
| cubevector | that's what you are doing | Jul 19 20:55 |
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| ender2070 | im just going to block you actually | Jul 19 20:55 |
| cubevector | good | Jul 19 20:55 |
| cubevector | fuck you | Jul 19 20:55 |
| ender2070 | you can't have a logical discussion without personal attacks | Jul 19 20:56 |
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| cubevector | you can't stop arguing | Jul 19 20:57 |
| cubevector | shut it | Jul 19 20:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @agentsmith Funny, I saw promo videos of Vi$ta, back in 2003, when it was still Longhorn. Did not look half bad by the videos... | Jul 19 20:59 | |
| *DaemonFC (~ryan@ppp-69-215-48-198.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Jul 19 21:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] will print jQuery fundamental book, available in wikipress delhi, ping me if u want. | Jul 19 21:09 | |
| schestowitz | Jul 16 14:20:28 -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] End of Microsoft NHS deal means mass deletions of MS Office on home PCs - http://bit.ly/bYdXWI gets better and better #openoffice | Jul 19 21:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: End of Microsoft NHS deal means mass deletions • The Register .::. Size~: 26.74 KB | Jul 19 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Microsoft is losing it | Jul 19 21:18 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 19 21:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer @glynmoody So how long untill the BSA will go after "pirated" copies of M$ Office using NHS employee data? ;-) | Jul 19 21:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It seems like the NHS finally found its spine. | Jul 19 21:23 | |
| schestowitz | Jul 16 14:52:16 <reverseblade>u are threatening me | Jul 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Jul 16 14:53:56 <reverseblade>facts are facts | Jul 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Jul 16 14:54:05 *MinceR sets ban on *!*58f7c4a7@*.88.247.196.167 | Jul 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | *LMAO* | Jul 19 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Lins*x toddlers again, it seems | Jul 19 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | need coffee | Jul 19 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | must not fall asleep at desk | Jul 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | agentsmith re Vista: "The final product, however, was that lame excuse for an OS that we all know... But, bad for them, good for us and for Linux." | Jul 19 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | will wake up with qwertys again | Jul 19 21:27 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: why not? | Jul 19 21:27 |
| *MinceR has marzipan-flavored tea | Jul 19 21:28 | |
| DaemonFC | chocolate, vanilla, or cinnamon? | Jul 19 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | or plain old colombian? | Jul 19 21:28 |
| MinceR | neither | Jul 19 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 19 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Jul 19 21:28 |
| MinceR | dunno if it's colombian or not | Jul 19 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | I was talking about the coffee I've stockpiled | Jul 19 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | wondering aloud which to choose | Jul 19 21:28 |
| MinceR | oh. | Jul 19 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | dark chocolate it is | Jul 19 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | haven't had that in a while | Jul 19 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Jul 19 21:29 |
| MinceR | i should try flavored coffee sometime | Jul 19 21:29 |
| ender2070 | yum | Jul 19 21:29 |
| MinceR | apt | Jul 19 21:29 |
| MinceR | so far the most i did was coffee+a bit of milk+cocoa powder+lots of sugar | Jul 19 21:29 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 19 21:30 |
| ender2070 | (apt) | Jul 19 21:30 |
| MinceR | standard response for me ;) | Jul 19 21:30 |
| ender2070 | I love french vanilla or irish cream flavoured coffee | Jul 19 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, The reason the Linspire model fell apart is that it was too insulting to advanced users and it made you pay every step of the way, so the target audience found that it was cheaper to stay with Windows | Jul 19 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | so they just kind of pissed on everyone and ended up paying for it later | Jul 19 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | maybe Ubuntu will be smarter than that | Jul 19 21:35 |
| ender2070 | hopefully | Jul 19 21:35 |
| ender2070 | if not they'll just be forked | Jul 19 21:35 |
| ender2070 | oh wait, they have | Jul 19 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | I think Linspire tried to get $50 from you up front | Jul 19 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | and then stick you with a subscription fee to download free/gratis software from their proprietary apt frontend | Jul 19 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, look at it from the perspective of money alone | Jul 19 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | "Hmm, I already have Windows and I can already download all this stuff for free on Windows" | Jul 19 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | I believe they would have ended up eating millions of dollars in operating expenses had they not gotten all that money from Microsoft | Jul 19 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've heard that if you throw a frog in a pot of boiling water, it tends to jump back out (or at least frantically try to) but if you put a frog in a pot of cold water and crank up the heat gradually, it'll stay in there and let itself be boiled to death | Jul 19 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | I'm thinking Linspire vs. Ubuntu | Jul 19 21:40 |
| MinceR | i've heard that too | Jul 19 21:40 |
| MinceR | but i'm climbing out of the slowly heated pot anyway :> | Jul 19 21:40 |
| MinceR | i'm no frog :> | Jul 19 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is the slowly heated pot | Jul 19 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | notice how every release they talk less about FOSS and more about Open Source and Cloud Computing? | Jul 19 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see how they figure they're going to get people to pay $10 a month for 10 GB of storage | Jul 19 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is giving away 25 GB for free on Skydrive | Jul 19 21:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Public Talk Tomorrow (Tuesday): “Present and Future Threats to Software Freedom” http://ur1.ca/0qjeo #manchester #freesoftware #fsf | Jul 19 21:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Public Talk Tomorrow (Tuesday): “Present and Future Threats to Software Freedom” | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.68 KB | Jul 19 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | the other paid options have 10 times as much storage for the same price | Jul 19 21:44 |
| MinceR | not just talk | Jul 19 21:44 |
| MinceR | there's also mono and bing-o in disguise | Jul 19 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | they did go back to Google | Jul 19 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | in Firefox | Jul 19 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | there's that at least | Jul 19 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | but they always have the 6 months to change their mind | Jul 19 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's only a matter of who pays best to stay there | Jul 19 21:45 |
| MinceR | only due to the PR backlash | Jul 19 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's kind of funny that they're whoring out ad space on other people's software | Jul 19 21:45 |
| MinceR | they're testing what their users are willing to put up with | Jul 19 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | throwing it all at the wall and seeing what sticks? | Jul 19 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 19 21:46 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 19 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | I've been tinkering with Pinta | Jul 19 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | it is almost exactly like Paint.Net | Jul 19 21:46 |
| MinceR | interested in diseases much? :> | Jul 19 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | meh, the layout of Paint.Net I like | Jul 19 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | the .Net part not so much | Jul 19 21:47 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/OP2pk.jpg | Jul 19 21:47 |
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| DaemonFC | there was a project called Gimpshop that I used while it was around | Jul 19 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | it basically had all the power of Gimp without the weird spazzed out interface | Jul 19 21:47 |
| MinceR | there's a project called Gimp that i use :> | Jul 19 21:47 |
| MinceR | it has all the power of Gimp with all the power of its interface | Jul 19 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Pinta opens fast | Jul 19 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | and the program itself is small (I know, because the runtime is gigantic) | Jul 19 21:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Kindle Books Outselling Hardcover Books. “Tipping Point” Reached, Amazon Says - http://tcrn.ch/aWXZu2 maybe, maybe not #ebooks #kindle | Jul 19 21:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz be even better if OOo could get to them first... | Jul 19 21:51 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Kindle Books Outselling Hardcover Books. Tipping Point Reached, Amazon Says .::. Size~: 43.74 KB | Jul 19 21:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bob_sutor It's looking more and more like the future of OpenSolaris and its users is #Linux. Jump now, in my personal opinion. | Jul 19 21:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Lawsuit Alleging Copyright Filtering Infringes Is Dropped - http://bit.ly/9eD1cO no limits to #copyright maximalists' self-inflicted wounds | Jul 19 21:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Lawsuit Dropped; Claimed That Copyright-Filtering Violates Copyright | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 68.68 KB | Jul 19 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/556771 | Jul 19 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm | Jul 19 21:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bug #556771 in Ubuntu One Client: “U1 sucks down bandwidth, even with nothing to sync” .::. Size~: 29.57 KB | Jul 19 21:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody they still work on abandoning IE6 (really!). Maybe they'll 'upgrade' to Vista in 2015 (at the current pace) | Jul 19 22:00 | |
| DaemonFC | would be nice if they could get rid of Firefox entirely | Jul 19 22:02 |
| MinceR | and what should they get instead? | Jul 19 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is the biggest turd in the punchbowl of Linux web browsers | Jul 19 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 22:02 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/267247 "@laurelrusswurm if you have subscribed to neither @schestowitz or @glynmoody, you really ought to pick one. you'd simply miss out on too much to subscribe to neither" | Jul 19 22:03 |
| MinceR | no, that's chrom{e,ium} | Jul 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 19 22:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Monday, 19-Jul-10 20:31:55 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.21 KB | Jul 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: 3.6? | Jul 19 22:03 |
| ender2070 | firefox is the biggest turd | Jul 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Chrome is the 4-coloured pile of... | Jul 19 22:03 |
| MinceR | shit | Jul 19 22:03 |
| ender2070 | at least its compliant, secure and uses less resources | Jul 19 22:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no | Jul 19 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Schmidt | Jul 19 22:04 |
| ender2070 | and isnt made from an AOL codebase | Jul 19 22:04 |
| ender2070 | :P | Jul 19 22:04 |
| MinceR | it fails at font rendering even though it has access to libraries that would do it properly | Jul 19 22:04 |
| MinceR | it also phones home by default | Jul 19 22:04 |
| ender2070 | FUD | Jul 19 22:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A Farewell to Scienceblogs: the Changing Science Blogging Ecosystem - http://bit.ly/9MjvG6 every publisher should read this #blogging | Jul 19 22:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A Farewell to Scienceblogs: the Changing Science Blogging Ecosystem : A Blog Around The Clock .::. Size~: 138.96 KB | Jul 19 22:04 |
| MinceR | and chrome is nonfree, while chromium is just a slave to it | Jul 19 22:04 |
| ender2070 | chromium is free | Jul 19 22:04 |
| MinceR | and it's only there to feed chrome with code | Jul 19 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm torn between Chrome and Opera | Jul 19 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | personally | Jul 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Firefox rocks | Jul 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | In 3.6 | Jul 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | They improve | Jul 19 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox 3.6 is slow | Jul 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | No more RAM mess | Jul 19 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | and error prone | Jul 19 22:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: plugins | Jul 19 22:05 |
| MinceR | all browsers are slow and error prone | Jul 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Chrome is cheating | Jul 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | For speedup | Jul 19 22:06 |
| ender2070 | firefox still uses too much ram | Jul 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | they just have different errors | Jul 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Even Mozilla knows it | Jul 19 22:06 |
| ender2070 | firefox still doesn't support SELinux | Jul 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | firefox at least displays pages properly | Jul 19 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | how is Chrome cheating? | Jul 19 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox feels like I'm back on dial up | Jul 19 22:06 |
| ender2070 | firefox doesnt display pages properly | Jul 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | and it supports NoScript and RefControl | Jul 19 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | compared to Chrome | Jul 19 22:06 |
| ender2070 | it fails acid3 | Jul 19 22:06 |
| ender2070 | firefox fails acid3 | Jul 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla is good | Jul 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | it also supports running multiple instances with different profiles | Jul 19 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Google is... well, not evil, they say | Jul 19 22:06 |
| MinceR | (one for Trash, one for clean browsing) | Jul 19 22:06 |
| ender2070 | Mozilla is, well, not evil, they say | Jul 19 22:07 |
| ender2070 | despite the fact that they phone home to google too | Jul 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Name one evil thing | Jul 19 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Firefox 4 is looking like the Linux and Windows versions will at least be on par with one another | Jul 19 22:07 |
| MinceR | google also says that privacy is worthless and nobody's got anything to hide | Jul 19 22:07 |
| ender2070 | no | Jul 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | ender2070: that's Google's problems | Jul 19 22:07 |
| ender2070 | google says you're naive if you think you have privacy | Jul 19 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox currently lags behind the Windows build quite badly | Jul 19 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's nice to see that it may no longer lose to the Windows build of itself | Jul 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | What's Windows? | Jul 19 22:07 |
| MinceR | it's a trojan | Jul 19 22:07 |
| ender2070 | firefox spies just as much as chromium, i might as well use the one that leeches less system resources | Jul 19 22:07 |
| MinceR | many PCs are infected with windows | Jul 19 22:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: on Linux?? | Jul 19 22:08 |
| MinceR | nope | Jul 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Ah | Jul 19 22:08 |
| MinceR | it's a boot trojan | Jul 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Phew | Jul 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't boot much | Jul 19 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Do they make Iron for Linux? | Jul 19 22:08 |
| MinceR | it even infects the partition table and the MBR | Jul 19 22:08 |
| ender2070 | they could make iron for linux | Jul 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | How do I know if I get it? | Jul 19 22:08 |
| MinceR | you get a windows/microsoft-branded boot sequence, among other things | Jul 19 22:08 |
| schestowitz | WHHHHHHHAT? | Jul 19 22:08 |
| MinceR | system slowdowns, lack of security and stability | Jul 19 22:08 |
| *schestowitz googles Windows | Jul 19 22:09 | |
| *DaemonFC Bings Linux | Jul 19 22:09 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 22:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] To Find Needles In Haystacks, US Gov't Has Built Hundreds Of New Haystacks - http://bit.ly/aRH4Ug more is less, as with DNA dbs #security | Jul 19 22:09 | |
| schestowitz | This one site tells me that Trojan has other Trojans... and viruses to... it's like a pimple on a wart | Jul 19 22:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: To Find Needles In Haystacks, US Gov't Has Built Hundreds Of New Haystacks | Techdirt .::. Size~: 48.67 KB | Jul 19 22:09 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 19 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | Encarta says Linux is a cancer that attaches itself to Intellectual Property | Jul 19 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I have to go with that... | Jul 19 22:09 |
| MinceR | i say that encarta is a dinosaur | Jul 19 22:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Encaca | Jul 19 22:10 |
| MinceR | an extinct dinosaur, to be precise | Jul 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Inkakah | Jul 19 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, OpenSuse defaults to KDE | Jul 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | DNA in the Encaca shows this is an extinct specimen | Jul 19 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | how does Senor de Icaza feel about that? | Jul 19 22:10 |
| schestowitz | It died around the era of agile predators called androids | Jul 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Which ate KINs (the little of them that existed) | Jul 19 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse users seem to think not very highly of GNOME | Jul 19 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | or Mono | Jul 19 22:11 |
| MinceR | so with its food extinct, androids will die out soon? | Jul 19 22:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Start-Up Goes Public On Corbis Fraud, Starring Bill Gates - http://bit.ly/chy1ME probably not the post-Microsoft life Bill envisaged #corbis | Jul 19 22:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Start-Up Goes Public On Corbis Fraud, Starring Bill Gates - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 27.44 KB | Jul 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | It drove them right into extinction | Jul 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | A big giant yelping ape blamed it on meteors | Jul 19 22:11 |
| MinceR | time for the MeeGo to put the androids' brains in jars | Jul 19 22:11 |
| schestowitz | He shouted Windows Windows VIsta Vista Vista | Jul 19 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, For some perverse reason or another, my dad still prefers OpenSuse | Jul 19 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | but he has used it for years and years | Jul 19 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | I personally find it gigantic and bloated | Jul 19 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | and they've wrecked what parts of GNOME normally work | Jul 19 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | the applications menu they made in the style of GNOME Control Center is pretty lulzy | Jul 19 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | in particular | Jul 19 22:13 |
| schestowitz | So BillyG has more crime in his past | Jul 19 22:14 |
| schestowitz | This time Carbis | Jul 19 22:14 |
| schestowitz | *Corbis | Jul 19 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16544/opensuse_11_3_the_linux_distribution_for_kde_lovers | Jul 19 22:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: OpenSUSE 11.3: The Linux distribution for KDE lovers - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 68.44 KB | Jul 19 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | Computerworld talks OpenSuse up a lot | Jul 19 22:15 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, BillyG.... that's my fraudster..." -Jackson | Jul 19 22:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] HP Files For “Palmpad” Trademark - http://tcrn.ch/cDxvIT what could they be possibly planning? #hp #palm | Jul 19 22:15 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: no | Jul 19 22:15 |
| schestowitz | SJVN does | Jul 19 22:15 |
| schestowitz | And Novell too | Jul 19 22:15 |
| schestowitz | He defended them all along | Jul 19 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Is there a way to set up my audio devices on KDE without pulling in Pulseaudio and GNOME? | Jul 19 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | cause I've tried poking at everything I can think of | Jul 19 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically the first and foremost on my "I don't use KDE because" list | Jul 19 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | it has nothing good to manage webcams, it has no sound recorder for Christs sake | Jul 19 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | and if you bring one in, it can't use your webcam microphone | Jul 19 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | the only fix I've found for this is to bring in Pulseaudio and the GTK+ based volume control for it | Jul 19 22:17 |
| schestowitz | KDE is acting up today | Jul 19 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I rekicked it | Jul 19 22:18 |
| schestowitz | And now there's a missing part of the panel | Jul 19 22:18 |
| ender2070 | pavucontrol is the best | Jul 19 22:18 |
| schestowitz | No big deal, will work in a moment | Jul 19 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Even my mom can use KDE4 | Jul 19 22:18 |
| MinceR | plasma-desktop sucks | Jul 19 22:18 |
| schestowitz | so don't run it | Jul 19 22:19 |
| MinceR | tonight when i brought my mobile workstation out of suspend mode, it just stood there frozen for minutes | Jul 19 22:19 |
| MinceR | i'm going to get rid of it once i have time | Jul 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | You can do virtual desktops without it | Jul 19 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, How do I do this in KDE? | Jul 19 22:19 |
| schestowitz | run gnome-panel with it | Jul 19 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1617/screenshotez.png | Jul 19 22:19 |
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| DaemonFC | without bringing in pieces of GNOME | Jul 19 22:19 |
| MinceR | if i go back to debian lenny, i can even use kde 3.5.10 :> | Jul 19 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | or Pulseaudio | Jul 19 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | surely since KDE is so user friendly, there must be something to click on that makes it see my webcam microphone just like that | Jul 19 22:20 |
| ender2070 | KMix | Jul 19 22:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The BookLiberator - http://bit.ly/biqNjH "an affordable personal book digitizer" #books #digitisation | Jul 19 22:20 | |
| DaemonFC | doesn't work | Jul 19 22:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The BookLiberator. | QuestionCopyright.org .::. Size~: 24.58 KB | Jul 19 22:20 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll have to hack gnome-settings-daemon or put a link to /bin/false or something over it though | Jul 19 22:20 |
| ender2070 | just man up and use pavucontrol | Jul 19 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | there's only about 20 things in KDE that look like they might do that | Jul 19 22:21 |
| ender2070 | it doesn't need to stay in memory | Jul 19 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | and none of them do | Jul 19 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | I already said without bringing in bits of GNOME | Jul 19 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | I can use GNOME without pieces of KDE | Jul 19 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | why can't I use KDE without pieces of GNOME? | Jul 19 22:21 |
| ender2070 | not if you run its apps | Jul 19 22:21 |
| MinceR | gnome apps infect whatever's running with pieces of gnome | Jul 19 22:22 |
| MinceR | via gnome-settings-daemon | Jul 19 22:22 |
| ender2070 | you can use KDE without pieces of gnome if your hardware doesn't suck | Jul 19 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | you can't tell me that KDE is that massive and can't even let you control audio settings | Jul 19 22:22 |
| MinceR | so it's often impossible to use gnome apps without pieces of gnome | Jul 19 22:22 |
| MinceR | it lets me control audio settings | Jul 19 22:22 |
| MinceR | via kmix | Jul 19 22:22 |
| MinceR | surprise! | Jul 19 22:22 |
| ender2070 | kmix works for me | Jul 19 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | Kmix doesn't work | Jul 19 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | we've been over this | Jul 19 22:23 |
| ender2070 | controls my volume fine | Jul 19 22:23 |
| ender2070 | it does work | Jul 19 22:23 |
| MinceR | (when plasma-desktop happens to be unfrozen and uncrashed, that is) | Jul 19 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | if it's not analog, Kmix doesn't work | Jul 19 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | if it's HDMI forget about it | Jul 19 22:23 |
| MinceR | and current kmix won't even run without plasma-desktop because it's one of those fake systray icons | Jul 19 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | if it's USB, HAH! | Jul 19 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | kmix blows | Jul 19 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Metaweb joins Google As of today, we’re very pleased to announce that Metaweb is now a part of Google. | Jul 19 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Google is the whale fail | Jul 19 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's like some third world audio applet from 5 years ago | Jul 19 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.freebase.com/2010/07/16/metaweb-joins-google/ | Jul 19 22:24 |
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| MinceR | kmix works, but DaemonFC sucks too much to be able to use it :> | Jul 19 22:24 |
| ender2070 | yup | Jul 19 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | OK, tell me how I make my microphone work on KDE | Jul 19 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | with 3 clicks | Jul 19 22:24 |
| ender2070 | pulseaudio doesn't have anything to do with gtk either | Jul 19 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | and no pieces of GNOME | Jul 19 22:24 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - you write a new kde volume control that does what you want | Jul 19 22:24 |
| ender2070 | its all free software | Jul 19 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | hell with that | Jul 19 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | KDE only has about 500 gigs of crap | Jul 19 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | why can't it work with audio devices? | Jul 19 22:25 |
| ender2070 | maybe nobody in KDE cares about what you're trying to do? | Jul 19 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | modern ones that is | Jul 19 22:25 |
| MinceR | maybe no KDE developers care about pulseaudio | Jul 19 22:25 |
| ender2070 | usb headsets are stupid | Jul 19 22:25 |
| ender2070 | KDE developers write KDE for BSD and Solaris too you know | Jul 19 22:25 |
| ender2070 | and Windows | Jul 19 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a headset, but no it doesn't work with that either | Jul 19 22:25 |
| ender2070 | usb audio equipment is stupid | Jul 19 22:26 |
| *DaemonFC goes back to 1995 and borrows the analog microphone from his old Packard Bell | Jul 19 22:26 | |
| MinceR | how is usb audio equipment stupid? | Jul 19 22:26 |
| *DaemonFC thinks that's the last analog microphone he had | Jul 19 22:26 | |
| ender2070 | your usb mic is analog | Jul 19 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | I mean the old 1/8" jack | Jul 19 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | the kind KDE thinks still exist | Jul 19 22:27 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - usually they dont work | Jul 19 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 22:27 |
| ender2070 | they dont use your sound card either | Jul 19 22:27 |
| MinceR | apparently you too think it still exists | Jul 19 22:27 |
| MinceR | 232046 * DaemonFC goes back to 1995 and borrows the analog microphone from his old Packard Bell | Jul 19 22:27 |
| MinceR | i also have one lying around here somewhere | Jul 19 22:28 |
| ender2070 | I have a 3.5mm one | Jul 19 22:28 |
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| DaemonFC | maybe I can find some headphones with a 1/8" jack around somewhere | Jul 19 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | and just plug that into the input | Jul 19 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | then I can totally rock out on KDE | Jul 19 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 22:28 |
| ender2070 | I'd rather use my soundcard than having to emulate one to make a usb headset work | Jul 19 22:29 |
| MinceR | or you could find a mixer app for PA and use that | Jul 19 22:29 |
| MinceR | if you're using PA anyway | Jul 19 22:29 |
| ender2070 | theres probably a command line one that does what he wants | Jul 19 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | probably | Jul 19 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | there's only about a trillion configuration files, utilities made in someone's basement, etc. that can probably do everything | Jul 19 22:30 |
| MinceR | there are probably several GUI mixers for PA | Jul 19 22:30 |
| ender2070 | there might even be some API documentation for switching sound cards | Jul 19 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | provided I learn to dance around and ask them to | Jul 19 22:30 |
| MinceR | well, you're going to have to make do with utilities made in someone's basement to control a sound system made in someone's basement | Jul 19 22:30 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - Redhat's basement | Jul 19 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | I have too much decent hardware | Jul 19 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | if I get too picky about what Linux distribution I use, it all falls apart | Jul 19 22:32 |
| MinceR | or at least you believe that makes it decen | Jul 19 22:32 |
| MinceR | t | Jul 19 22:32 |
| MinceR | though i doubt there's anything short of a Reality Distortion Field to make an ATI GPU seem decent | Jul 19 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia hardware is crap | Jul 19 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | and a full generation or three behind ATI | Jul 19 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | whatever, I don't use obsolete overpriced power gluttons | Jul 19 22:33 |
| ender2070 | ATI is crap | Jul 19 22:33 |
| ender2070 | they both suck actually | Jul 19 22:33 |
| MinceR | nvidia hardware is decent and has working drivers | Jul 19 22:33 |
| ender2070 | nvidia at least makes drivers that work | Jul 19 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia hardware is where ATI was 2 years ago\ | Jul 19 22:34 |
| MinceR | unlike ATI, which doesn't have working drivers for any platform | Jul 19 22:34 |
| ender2070 | ATI was 2 years behind nvidia long ago too | Jul 19 22:34 |
| ender2070 | its called evolving technology | Jul 19 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | why pay $300 for a GPU that still makes you run OpenGL instructions on your CPU? | Jul 19 22:34 |
| ender2070 | ati is spending its money supporting directx and pushing that | Jul 19 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia still doesn't even support OpenGL 3.x fully in hardware | Jul 19 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | much less 4 | Jul 19 22:35 |
| MinceR | why not do some research about GPUs before spewing bullshit? | Jul 19 22:35 |
| ender2070 | nvidia is spending its money on its fabs, making it more efficient and cheap to produce chips | Jul 19 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they need to make something that performs halfway decently with modern OpenGL support that you don't need to plug straight into the power supply | Jul 19 22:36 |
| ender2070 | once nvidia is done optimizing its fabs it can start working on more features | Jul 19 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | oops, they don't have any of that | Jul 19 22:36 |
| ender2070 | AMD did this | Jul 19 22:36 |
| ender2070 | phenom 1 sucked balls | Jul 19 22:36 |
| ender2070 | it was total shit | Jul 19 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | well, yeah | Jul 19 22:36 |
| ender2070 | but the technology was great and it didnt do well till their fabs got updated | Jul 19 22:36 |
| MinceR | strange, i did not have to plug my Quadro FX 2700M straight into any power supplies | Jul 19 22:36 |
| ender2070 | intel did fabs first and beat them | Jul 19 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't feel like disabling CPU features to make the thing stop locking itself up | Jul 19 22:37 |
| ender2070 | intel stole amds designs and made them more efficient because they had better fabs | Jul 19 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | I hope someone managed to get their money back if they bought that shit | Jul 19 22:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya well there are 1000 addons exist which are compatible with firefox 4 beta 1 http://tinyurl.com/2asjgqt | Jul 19 22:37 | |
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| MinceR | intel also made CPUs that didn't fry themselves while AMD did not | Jul 19 22:38 |
| MinceR | but that was a long time ago | Jul 19 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | you patch the BIOS, and the system stops crashing | Jul 19 22:38 |
| ender2070 | ati/amd have a tradition of making overheating fast chips | Jul 19 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | you also lose 10% performance | Jul 19 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | yay! | Jul 19 22:38 |
| MinceR | now intel makes GPUs with proper driver support while AMD/ATI does not :> | Jul 19 22:38 |
| ender2070 | :) | Jul 19 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | Intel doesn't make GPUs | Jul 19 22:38 |
| ender2070 | intel releases docs and drivers | Jul 19 22:38 |
| MinceR | they make most of their GPUs, afaik | Jul 19 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | they make integrated bullshit that pretends it is a GPU | Jul 19 22:38 |
| ender2070 | ati releases docs and tells us to get to work | Jul 19 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 19 22:39 |
| MinceR | just not their two shitty GPUs, the GMA 500 and the GMA 600 | Jul 19 22:39 |
| MinceR | so GPUs from a few years ago aren | Jul 19 22:39 |
| MinceR | so GPUs from a few years ago aren't GPUs anymore either, DaemonFC? | Jul 19 22:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mkapor: Steve says putting on a free case fixes the problem that doesn't exist with the iPhone 4 | Jul 19 22:39 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If you want to play your game at 5 fps, the Intel GMA is a GPU | Jul 19 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | there, lets agree to disagree or whatever | Jul 19 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 19 22:39 |
| ender2070 | intel has larabee too | Jul 19 22:39 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: gaming is not the only use for GPUs; also, some games run decently even on a GMA 950 | Jul 19 22:39 |
| MinceR | UT1, for example, does | Jul 19 22:40 |
| ender2070 | who needs a seprate gfx chip when intel is going to have multicore chips with it built in? | Jul 19 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | the GMA can't even handle the DOOM 3 engine | Jul 19 22:40 |
| MinceR | it had larabee but decided not to manufacture it :/ | Jul 19 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | and that's 6 years old | Jul 19 22:40 |
| ender2070 | AMD fusion is AMD's version | Jul 19 22:40 |
| MinceR | afaik fusion is about something else | Jul 19 22:40 |
| ender2070 | larabee's goals werent scrapped though | Jul 19 22:40 |
| MinceR | fusion is putting a GPU in the CPU die | Jul 19 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that Wal-Mart has one game on the shelf that supports Linux now | Jul 19 22:40 |
| ender2070 | they still want to make gpu and cpu in one die | Jul 19 22:40 |
| MinceR | larabee is building a GPU out of tiny CPU cores | Jul 19 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | of course it's coincidental, not intentional | Jul 19 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | the World of Goo jewel case says it has the Linux versions on the CD | Jul 19 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | and why not? :) | Jul 19 22:41 |
| ender2070 | mincer - they're likely to just copy amd's fusion because it was a better idea | Jul 19 22:41 |
| MinceR | those ideas don't seem to be mutually exclusive | Jul 19 22:41 |
| MinceR | if anything, larabee looks like Cell to me | Jul 19 22:41 |
| ender2070 | nvidia copied it | Jul 19 22:41 |
| ender2070 | nvidia tegra | Jul 19 22:41 |
| ender2070 | right? | Jul 19 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | if it sells a few more copies for them and uses space on the disc that would have been empty, why not? | Jul 19 22:42 |
| ender2070 | arm cpu + nvidia in one chip? | Jul 19 22:42 |
| MinceR | though i'm not quite sure yet what the big deal about integrating a GPU into the CPU is | Jul 19 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | so finally I saw something at Walmart that said "Linux" on the box | Jul 19 22:42 |
| ender2070 | Mincer - well its probably the design goal that got rid of standalone soundcards | Jul 19 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Some of these people just make it too damned easy to ridicule them | Jul 19 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | the Elementary projects for example | Jul 19 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I call them Preschool projects | Jul 19 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | like nautilus-elementary :P | Jul 19 22:43 |
| MinceR | maybe the plan is that they'll make a GPU with each CPU produced and if the GPU part is faulty they'll just sell it as a GPU-less CPU | Jul 19 22:43 |
| ender2070 | in the next few years multicore is going to get ridiculous | Jul 19 22:43 |
| MinceR | i wish someone made a file manager that didn't suck quite so much | Jul 19 22:44 |
| ender2070 | grandma will have a 16 core pc that shes running solitare on | Jul 19 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh no, Nautilus has buttons that do things, things the user might try to press them to do!" | Jul 19 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | "We must end this!" | Jul 19 22:44 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, that's typical crApple/GNOME/Canonical thinking | Jul 19 22:44 |
| ender2070 | +1 | Jul 19 22:44 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 19 22:44 |
| ender2070 | "Configuring the mouse is too hard! We must end this!" | Jul 19 22:45 |
| ender2070 | I wonder if Linus still puts up with his mouse patch to fix that | Jul 19 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | Lets take away the buttons that do things and then fill up half the screen with Ubuntu One crap that the user can't turn off without uninstalling packages! | Jul 19 22:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | why do people still talk about larabee? | Jul 19 22:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | its dead. | Jul 19 22:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video: Neelie Kroes Praises Software Freedom (as Ogg) http://techrights.org/2010/07/19/kroes-on-foss/ #swpats #eu #playogg | Jul 19 22:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060111175314/uncyclopedia/images/4/48/Next-gnome.png | Jul 19 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 19 22:49 |
| MinceR | i think they full up half the screen with empty space instead | Jul 19 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | ROFL | Jul 19 22:49 |
| MinceR | that doesn't confuse users, supposedly | Jul 19 22:49 |
| MinceR | yes, that's what i'm talking about :> | Jul 19 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | "The alpha 3.0 release, Project Topaz, will be the perfect GNOME's desktop, as it will have absolutely Gno features at all. It will simply use excessive amounts of system resources, and do Gnothing but sit there. This final version will contain only a single button. When the user pushes it, it pops up a beautifully anti-aliased text box on a white screen telling the user to use a pen and a piece of paper to do their work | Jul 19 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | and to shut their computer off." | Jul 19 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 19 22:50 |
| cubevector | it's just consumerism | Jul 19 22:50 |
| cubevector | buy buy buy more stuff | Jul 19 22:50 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 19 22:50 |
| MinceR | at that point the Gnome Project will finally have realized its goal at surpassing MacOS | Jul 19 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Jul 16 21:50:32 <TechrightsBot>Title: Firefox joins Microsoft in uncool kids class • The Register .::. Size~: 29.65 KB | Jul 19 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay is citing Net Applications. For shame | Jul 19 22:51 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't mind having something to replace Firefox | Jul 19 22:51 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 19 22:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL OIL | Jul 19 22:52 |
| ender2070 | Firefox does join Microsoft's uncool kids class | Jul 19 22:52 |
| MinceR | whoa | Jul 19 22:52 |
| cubevector | you'd have to go back to viola to get a non-bloated browser | Jul 19 22:53 |
| ender2070 | they recommended bing | Jul 19 22:53 |
| MinceR | Mac Asay must be pretty close to m$ if the register publishes his crap | Jul 19 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | “Oh sure, it's just another Linux projeeeeeee.......oh shit!” | Jul 19 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | ~ Ian Murdock on Solaris | Jul 19 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 19 22:53 |
| *DaemonFC thinks he wrote that | Jul 19 22:53 | |
| MinceR | why do people still talk about slowlaris? | Jul 19 22:53 |
| MinceR | it's dead. | Jul 19 22:53 |
| ender2070 | dont fuck with Ian Murdock | Jul 19 22:53 |
| ender2070 | hes awesome | Jul 19 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | “Bahahhahahhaaaaaaa!!!!!! At least Linux is a challenge, Developers, Developers, Developers” | Jul 19 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | ~ Steve Ballmer on Solaris | Jul 19 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | “Hah, he said it, no takebacks! Wait...What is Solaris?” | Jul 19 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | ~ Linus Torvalds on Steve Ballmer | Jul 19 22:53 |
| MinceR | 234759 < ender2070> dont fuck with Ian Murdock | Jul 19 22:54 |
| MinceR | someone tell his girlfriend | Jul 19 22:54 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 19 22:54 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 19 22:54 |
| schestowitz | He's divorced now | Jul 19 22:54 |
| schestowitz | There's no Debian | Jul 19 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Just 'Ian for short | Jul 19 22:54 |
| MinceR | someone told him, then | Jul 19 22:54 |
| ender2070 | What you should be saying is that even someone as cool as Ian Murdock couldn't make Solaris good | Jul 19 22:54 |
| schestowitz | It made his vanish | Jul 19 22:55 |
| schestowitz | He used to blog | Jul 19 22:55 |
| schestowitz | *him | Jul 19 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, A lot of things that start out proprietary and open source later on don't survive | Jul 19 22:55 |
| ender2070 | Yeah | Jul 19 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Years of his life down the ****ter | Jul 19 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla somehow survived a coathanger abortion attempt by AOL | Jul 19 22:55 |
| ender2070 | Firefox's codebase came from little old proprietary AOL | Jul 19 22:55 |
| ender2070 | AOL could switch to Firefox as a UI and nobody would notice the slow speed | Jul 19 22:56 |
| cubevector | this might be of some interest: | Jul 19 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, AOL was mainly concerned with how to use the browser as a vehicle for their spam and advertising | Jul 19 22:56 |
| cubevector | http://viola.org/ | Jul 19 22:56 |
| MinceR | actually it came from Netscape which AOL bought :> | Jul 19 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | Nutscrape | Jul 19 22:57 |
| ender2070 | mozilla was created after they bought netscape | Jul 19 22:57 |
| ender2070 | gecko is an AOL invention | Jul 19 22:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] plz RT @remixtures: Partido Pirata Português está a recolher assinaturas para a sua oficialização. Informem-se aqui! http://ff.im/-nV0B0 | Jul 19 22:57 | |
| DaemonFC | Gecko is not aging well | Jul 19 22:57 |
| ender2070 | its a rewrite of netscape 4 | Jul 19 22:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Assinaturas | Movimento Partido Pirata Português .::. Size~: 60.09 KB | Jul 19 22:57 |
| schestowitz | LOL invention! | Jul 19 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | the only selling point Mozilla stuff ever had it that it's not Internet Explorer | Jul 19 22:57 |
| ender2070 | it shares none of the code from netscape communicator | Jul 19 22:57 |
| MinceR | they acquired more selling points since | Jul 19 22:58 |
| ender2070 | took them years to "plug" the memory leak | Jul 19 22:58 |
| cubevector | I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on which browser is the most ideal | Jul 19 22:58 |
| MinceR | a level of flexibility chromium never had :> | Jul 19 22:58 |
| ender2070 | except it uses more ram now than before | Jul 19 22:58 |
| MinceR | there's no such thing as an "ideal" browser | Jul 19 22:59 |
| MinceR | all web browsers suck | Jul 19 22:59 |
| MinceR | in one way or another | Jul 19 22:59 |
| cubevector | surely one must suck the least? | Jul 19 22:59 |
| MinceR | probably partly due to web standards being horribly bloated and trying to do too many things at once | Jul 19 22:59 |
| ender2070 | I like konquerer better too | Jul 19 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, They plugged it by stealing a garbage collector from FreeBSD and hogging CPU cycles to constantly collect all the memory they leak | Jul 19 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | if you call that a fix | Jul 19 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | I don't | Jul 19 22:59 |
| ender2070 | ROFL | Jul 19 22:59 |
| MinceR | it's gotten to the point where it's officially and intentionally both a hypertext platform and a remote application service platform | Jul 19 22:59 |
| cubevector | what do the BSD guys use for browser? | Jul 19 23:00 |
| ender2070 | I might consider firefox when it renders acid3 properly | Jul 19 23:00 |
| *MinceR guesses either firefox or konqueror | Jul 19 23:00 | |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, Firefox's leaking memory was fixed just like you "fix" a leaking roof by throwing a bucket under it | Jul 19 23:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Overall, I'd give this Monday a B-. Better luck next week. Tuesday, you're up next. | Jul 19 23:00 | |
| cubevector | I use links a fair bit | Jul 19 23:00 |
| cubevector | it doesn't suck | Jul 19 23:00 |
| MinceR | i use links2 when some webpage really threatens my browsers | Jul 19 23:00 |
| MinceR | but in general it doesn't support modern layout or scripts, which is sometimes problematic | Jul 19 23:01 |
| MinceR | also, i'm not sure if it supports selecting text already | Jul 19 23:01 |
| MinceR | or copying the current URL | Jul 19 23:01 |
| cubevector | yeah I use it for google stuff | Jul 19 23:01 |
| cubevector | even works with the mouse | Jul 19 23:01 |
| cubevector | it's an acceptable substitute | Jul 19 23:02 |
| MinceR | so usually i just use my heavily armored firefox :> | Jul 19 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://robulack.wordpress.com/2005/11/06/why-firefox-sucks/ | Jul 19 23:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why Firefox Sucks « Geek Life .::. Size~: 77.39 KB | Jul 19 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | is this an actual Mac user or someone making fun of one? | Jul 19 23:02 |
| *DaemonFC has wondered this before | Jul 19 23:02 | |
| MinceR | is it possible to tell the difference? | Jul 19 23:03 |
| cubevector | clipboarding... hmmm I'll try it | Jul 19 23:03 |
| cubevector | not sure about that | Jul 19 23:03 |
| MinceR | http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Poe%27s_Law | Jul 19 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Poe's Law - RationalWiki .::. Size~: 31.87 KB | Jul 19 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I guess God made Mac users so everyone is entertained in reading what they write | Jul 19 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 19 23:03 |
| MinceR | unfortunately that rarely works | Jul 19 23:03 |
| MinceR | they're too repetitive and shallow | Jul 19 23:03 |
| ender2070 | firefox doesn't conform to KDE either | Jul 19 23:04 |
| cubevector | MinceR, clipboarding works np | Jul 19 23:04 |
| ender2070 | not just mac | Jul 19 23:04 |
| cubevector | also what distro did you end up with? | Jul 19 23:04 |
| MinceR | cubevector: even with the URL, with links2 -g? | Jul 19 23:04 |
| cubevector | links not links2 | Jul 19 23:04 |
| MinceR | currently my target is Debian, but i'll have to revisit DistroWatch since i found out that sometimes the packages they list as missing actually do exist in the repos | Jul 19 23:05 |
| MinceR | didn't have time for that | Jul 19 23:05 |
| MinceR | but i have a debian VM on my work laptop for now | Jul 19 23:05 |
| MinceR | (a little refuge from winblows insanity) | Jul 19 23:05 |
| cubevector | I can't think of anything good for graphical low-memory browser | Jul 19 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://blog.mozilla.com/tglek/2010/04/19/windows-sucks-at-memory-mapped-io-during-startup/ | Jul 19 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Taras Blog » Windows Sucks At Memory-Mapped IO During Startup .::. Size~: 33.52 KB | Jul 19 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | "With the Windows prefetcher, there were 4x less xul.dll IOs (graph here). Unfortunately, the prefetcher can’t figure out that the whole xul.dll should be paged in and we still end up with an excess of random IO." | Jul 19 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jul 19 23:07 |
| cubevector | I'd almost suggest dividing the web into two parts: | Jul 19 23:07 |
| cubevector | one part academic and informative | Jul 19 23:07 |
| cubevector | the other part commercial | Jul 19 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | "This is funny in a sad way. Reading in 32K chunks is supposed to minimize ram usage (which makes no bloody sense when Win7 officially requires 1GB of RAM)." | Jul 19 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | this is a great post | Jul 19 23:07 |
| cubevector | in the first part, links would work well | Jul 19 23:08 |
| MinceR | the graph link fails on that blog | Jul 19 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | XFS on Linux 2.6.35 is blazing fast | Jul 19 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | especially with delaylog on | Jul 19 23:09 |
| cubevector | the "ttt" total text terrain | Jul 19 23:09 |
| cubevector | or something | Jul 19 23:09 |
| MinceR | besides, it's time for mozilla to start optimizing for gnu/linux already | Jul 19 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | I went to throw a bunch of stuff at the disk at once and was like "Holy shit, this thing is possessed!" | Jul 19 23:09 |
| MinceR | i suggest dividing the web into two parts: webapps and actual hypertext | Jul 19 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Ext4 would have had me waiting | Jul 19 23:09 |
| cubevector | ha! | Jul 19 23:09 |
| MinceR | the former could have all the bloat | Jul 19 23:09 |
| cubevector | my thoughts exactly | Jul 19 23:10 |
| MinceR | and the latter could have configurable text display instead of hard-forced crap layouts with bloat | Jul 19 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I already stated that Firefox is terrible, and that goes double for Firefox on linux | Jul 19 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome and Opera seem to be the only major browsers that give a shit how they act on Linux | Jul 19 23:10 |
| MinceR | maybe i should check out how much opera likes to crash nowadays | Jul 19 23:11 |
| cubevector | I just want a simple browser that does pictures and text | Jul 19 23:11 |
| MinceR | links2 -g does that | Jul 19 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Opera has done a 180 on their Linux version | Jul 19 23:11 |
| MinceR | i'll probably miss NoScript on opera, though | Jul 19 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't stand how inconsistent and unstable it was before | Jul 19 23:11 |
| cubevector | ok, I guess I should try that | Jul 19 23:12 |
| MinceR | it's nice to have all that malign javascript bullshit disabled by default, easy to whitelist (even temporarily) by domain when they lock content behind it | Jul 19 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | meh, malicious and annoying scripting crap is usualyl loaded by advertisements anyway | Jul 19 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | which are easy to block | Jul 19 23:13 |
| cubevector | MinceR, no such package | Jul 19 23:13 |
| cubevector | guess I need the source | Jul 19 23:13 |
| MinceR | cubevector: debian calls it "links2" | Jul 19 23:13 |
| MinceR | and the -g command line parameter makes it use X | Jul 19 23:13 |
| MinceR | if yours is called "links", -g might still work | Jul 19 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, What's great is when Adblock Plus can be detected directly by a script in the page | Jul 19 23:13 |
| MinceR | the million other varieties of links might also be worth checking out | Jul 19 23:13 |
| cubevector | ah, yes you are right | Jul 19 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | without even having to check to see if you've blocked the ads or not | Jul 19 23:14 |
| cubevector | it does work | Jul 19 23:14 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: interesting | Jul 19 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | it shows you how secure Firefox is | Jul 19 23:14 |
| MinceR | well, afaik javascript/DOM doesn't have much of a security model anyway | Jul 19 23:14 |
| cubevector | MincR, this is awesome | Jul 19 23:14 |
| MinceR | they didn't think of asking the user what's even readable from scripts | Jul 19 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Chrome at least goes through some trouble to keep things walled off | Jul 19 23:15 |
| MinceR | (cookies, history, etc.) | Jul 19 23:15 |
| cubevector | at least on my own pages it is | Jul 19 23:15 |
| cubevector | not too great on slashdot | Jul 19 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox allows scripts to sniff for extensions that are present | Jul 19 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | which is a red flag if I've ever seen one | Jul 19 23:15 |
| MinceR | cubevector: i still have no way of getting links -g to display the current URL and to let me copy it to the clipboard though | Jul 19 23:16 |
| MinceR | oh, it's in the menu | Jul 19 23:16 |
| MinceR | never realized that before | Jul 19 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | kind of makes you wonder if the other tabs you have open are peeking over at the tab you're logging into your bank's site with | Jul 19 23:16 |
| cubevector | MinceR, hmm, you should be able to | Jul 19 23:16 |
| MinceR | if it works, that is | Jul 19 23:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hmm... Google has mailed me again trying to attract me... third time | Jul 19 23:16 | |
| cubevector | you want to clipboard from here into links? | Jul 19 23:16 |
| MinceR | it works, except Qt apps don't seem to like it, but that isn't new | Jul 19 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, lately Firefox has me feeling like I'm standing at a urinal next to a man that's 10 feet tall | Jul 19 23:16 |
| MinceR | no, from links into any app | Jul 19 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's got no privacy features at all | Jul 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | but i've found the trick | Jul 19 23:17 |
| ender2070 | no selinux support | Jul 19 23:17 |
| ender2070 | they're also nazi's with their trademark | Jul 19 23:17 |
| ender2070 | fedora doesnt patch firefox because of it | Jul 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | editing the current URL is still going to be tricky | Jul 19 23:17 |
| cubevector | use the source Luke :-0 | Jul 19 23:17 |
| ender2070 | <DaemonFC> | Jul 19 23:17 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, if i don't allow scripts to run then they can't sniff for extensions, now can they? :> | Jul 19 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, The Chrome sandbox at least makes me feel a little bit more comfortable | Jul 19 23:17 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - Actually this has happened to my friend | Jul 19 23:18 |
| MinceR | chrome's font rendering makes me feel uncomfortable | Jul 19 23:18 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - he had a gmail tab open and browsed porn sites (on linux) | Jul 19 23:18 |
| ender2070 | with firefox | Jul 19 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | and they stole his gmail credentials? | Jul 19 23:18 |
| ender2070 | no malware on his pc | Jul 19 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | and started spamming with his account? | Jul 19 23:18 |
| ender2070 | no it didnt steal his gmail credentials | Jul 19 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 19 23:18 |
| ender2070 | it just used it when he wasnt looking | Jul 19 23:18 |
| MinceR | stole his gmail session cookie? | Jul 19 23:18 |
| ender2070 | it used the webmail session he had open in the tab | Jul 19 23:19 |
| MinceR | or remote-controlled his gmail instance? | Jul 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | They use https now, no? | Jul 19 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 19 23:19 |
| MinceR | the web security model sucks | Jul 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | To hell with Fog Computing. | Jul 19 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | well, that's not a whole lot better | Jul 19 23:19 |
| ender2070 | doesnt work if they exploit firefox and hack a tab | Jul 19 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | if it can use your account to rapid fire a bunch of spam | Jul 19 23:19 |
| ender2070 | chrome doesnt have that problem | Jul 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Google is trying to hire me again. They mailed me a short while ago, but if they had done a comprehesive search (like Google) they would see what I said about them over the years | Jul 19 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's still a mess you're going to have to clean up | Jul 19 23:19 |
| ender2070 | it did rapid fire spam too | Jul 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I've probably denounced just about any middle- or large-sized company in IT | Jul 19 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat too.. many times | Jul 19 23:20 |
| ender2070 | he sent mail was full of craiglist personal replies he didnt write | Jul 19 23:20 |
| ender2070 | his sent mail* | Jul 19 23:20 |
| ender2070 | with spammer links to click on | Jul 19 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Cause of Death: Black market Russian Viagra | Jul 19 23:20 |
| MinceR | well, if they have a problem with that, it's time to start behaving in a way that is not to be denounced | Jul 19 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | "Ma'am, please dismount the corpse!" | Jul 19 23:20 |
| cubevector | umm, yeah it pays to be careful | Jul 19 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 19 23:20 |
| ender2070 | spyware wasn't a cause and it happened a bunch of times | Jul 19 23:20 |
| ender2070 | now he uses chrome (not chromium) on ubuntu and it hasn't happened since | Jul 19 23:21 |
| cubevector | google is trying to hire you? | Jul 19 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, I'm not confident in Firefox | Jul 19 23:21 |
| ender2070 | me neither | Jul 19 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | I mean it's better than using IE | Jul 19 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | but that's about it | Jul 19 23:21 |
| ender2070 | i first lost confidence when one of the execs told people to use bing | Jul 19 23:21 |
| cubevector | links -g is awesome | Jul 19 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, It seems like instead of fixing Firefox, all Mozilla is doing is throwing poo at all the people who make better software | Jul 19 23:22 |
| ender2070 | i lost more confidence when I found out chrome is the only browser it seems that supports SELinux sandboxing (and app armour, and the other one) | Jul 19 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's disgusting | Jul 19 23:22 |
| ender2070 | yes | Jul 19 23:22 |
| ender2070 | Chris Blizzard always FUDS them | Jul 19 23:22 |
| ender2070 | "chrome isnt really faster" | Jul 19 23:22 |
| ender2070 | perhaps on his octalcore pc | Jul 19 23:23 |
| cubevector | even techrights is acceptable | Jul 19 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, There's an Apparmor profile for Firefox | Jul 19 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 19 23:23 |
| cubevector | using links -g I mean | Jul 19 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | I use Apparmor, but only because it's not really that much of a burden on the system | Jul 19 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | not because I expect it to be rock solid security | Jul 19 23:23 |
| ender2070 | at least it has apparmor | Jul 19 23:24 |
| ender2070 | thats good | Jul 19 23:24 |
| ender2070 | it should have SELinux though | Jul 19 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is scary | Jul 19 23:24 |
| ender2070 | fedora is a helluva lot more popular than novell | Jul 19 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox with unrestricted access to your user account is scarier | Jul 19 23:24 |
| MinceR | i'd probably be using fedora now if their installer didn't suck so much | Jul 19 23:24 |
| ender2070 | is canonical switching to SELinux? | Jul 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Jul 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | they're making more Apparmor profiles | Jul 19 23:25 |
| ender2070 | someone was | Jul 19 23:25 |
| cubevector | MinceR, /dev/hda1 ext2 37G 4.1G 31G 12% / | Jul 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical loves them some Apparmor | Jul 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 23:25 |
| cubevector | no ext4 with vector install | Jul 19 23:25 |
| oiaohm_ | OpenSuse ender2070 is looking at switching over. | Jul 19 23:25 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 19 23:25 |
| ender2070 | LOL | Jul 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | not surprising | Jul 19 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | they fired all their Apparmor people | Jul 19 23:25 |
| ender2070 | novell ditching apparmor | Jul 19 23:25 |
| ender2070 | roflmao | Jul 19 23:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Apparmor is still not mainline. | Jul 19 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get why Canonical is fapping over something Novell wants rid of | Jul 19 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 23:26 |
| oiaohm_ | The alterations required to enter mainline are not done yet. | Jul 19 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | who do they think will maintain it? | Jul 19 23:26 |
| ender2070 | apparmor doesn't restrict users too much | Jul 19 23:26 |
| oiaohm_ | So Apparmor has known holes. | Jul 19 23:26 |
| ender2070 | because it doesnt work ;) | Jul 19 23:26 |
| ender2070 | it seems more compatible | Jul 19 23:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Apparmor could be made work ender2070 | Jul 19 23:27 |
| oiaohm_ | and it would still keep what the ubuntu guys like. | Jul 19 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | old SELinux profiles made Fedora fall down go boom | Jul 19 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | the only way to fix it was disable it totally | Jul 19 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | which meant waiting for the filesystem to be unlabeled | Jul 19 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 23:27 |
| oiaohm_ | There are a few guys from the ubuntu guys trying to bring the need alterations to apparmor | Jul 19 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | and SELinux does not get along with JFS or ReiserFS | Jul 19 23:28 |
| MinceR | maybe canonical is hiring the guys novell is firing? | Jul 19 23:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Nop these are new guys MinceR | Jul 19 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat does | Jul 19 23:28 |
| oiaohm_ | If they were the old Novell guys who worked on apparmor it would never stand a chance of being secure. | Jul 19 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Canonical hired Mac addicts | Jul 19 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Trying to deplete that crowd | Jul 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | It seems Mac Asay is leaving CNET | Jul 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | He starts blogging at Mark's territories | Jul 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | That's good | Jul 19 23:29 |
| oiaohm_ | RedHat takes staff from Novell that are pre novell | Jul 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | SUSE staff | Jul 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Not Go-Nono | Jul 19 23:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep good SUSE staff | Jul 19 23:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Personal worth taking. | Jul 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Fine w/ me | Jul 19 23:29 |
| MinceR | 002316 < schestowitz> Trying to deplete that crowd | Jul 19 23:29 |
| schestowitz | I told Red Hat's Tiemann to hire them | Jul 19 23:30 |
| MinceR | or trying to help GNOME copy MacOS | Jul 19 23:30 |
| schestowitz | And Mandriva too | Jul 19 23:30 |
| ender2070 | DaemonFC - these days they ship selinux labels | Jul 19 23:30 |
| schestowitz | He said they were working on it | Jul 19 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Miguel is slated for a job at what's left of the Vole | Jul 19 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | ender2070, SELinux used to be a lot less pleasant on Fedora than it is now | Jul 19 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | is what I mean | Jul 19 23:30 |
| ender2070 | yes I agree | Jul 19 23:30 |
| ender2070 | I used to disable it too | Jul 19 23:30 |
| ender2070 | now I doesn't get in my way | Jul 19 23:31 |
| oiaohm_ | SElinux was design with secuirty first. | Jul 19 23:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Userfriendlyness is starting to come with age. | Jul 19 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | if you clamp down too hard, users will turn it off | Jul 19 23:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Really with SELinux sometimes clam it down harder users can like it more. | Jul 19 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's better to provide some security than something that just gets shut off | Jul 19 23:32 |
| MinceR | that "Why Firefox Sucks" post is just some random bullshit from a crApple fanboy | Jul 19 23:32 |
| oiaohm_ | Particularly when users are given controlls over there user account accesses. | Jul 19 23:32 |
| MinceR | the real reason he hates firefox is that it's a competitor to a crApple product | Jul 19 23:32 |
| MinceR | even if that crApple product is malware | Jul 19 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, someone who would argue in favor of Safari in 2005 couldn't be anything other than a total Crapple apologist | Jul 19 23:33 |
| MinceR | not only in 2005 | Jul 19 23:33 |
| schestowitz | davidgerard: TEA PARTY: If you don't want people thinking you're a bunch of insane racists, it helps not to act like insane racists. http://is.gd/duYYS | Jul 19 23:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tea partier Mark Williams writes letter to Abe Lincoln & from the coloreds **UPDATED** : The Reid Report .::. Size~: 223.19 KB | Jul 19 23:34 |
| schestowitz | TEA PARTY: perfect fit for Ryan. He's a closet tea | Jul 19 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | uhhhm, no | Jul 19 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Closer party? | Jul 19 23:35 |
| *DaemonFC lays hands on schestowitz | Jul 19 23:35 | |
| DaemonFC | out evil demons!!! | Jul 19 23:35 |
| MinceR | why do these people have to sully the name of a fine drink? | Jul 19 23:35 |
| *schestowitz runs | Jul 19 23:35 | |
| DaemonFC | Heeeeyah!!!! | Jul 19 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | GRAW!!!! You son of a bitch!!!! | Jul 19 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 19 23:35 |
| *DaemonFC realizes the holy water isn't working cause he grabbed his Dr Pepper instead | Jul 19 23:36 | |
| DaemonFC | dammit MinceR , we've been over this before | Jul 19 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | quit putting the Dr Pepper there | Jul 19 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Yuck | Jul 19 23:36 |
| *schestowitz associates Dr Pepper with the girl putting toilet paper where her breasts should be | Jul 19 23:37 | |
| MinceR | that's not holy water | Jul 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Bad, tasteless advertising | Jul 19 23:37 |
| MinceR | it was made by fake clerics who can't even cast real spells | Jul 19 23:37 |
| MinceR | it obviously is useless against undead | Jul 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Dobbs is better | Jul 19 23:37 |
| schestowitz | But bought by the same propagandists as InfoWeek | Jul 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | 'Info'Week | Jul 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Many papers like using terms like "Times" and "Info" or "Daily" in them | Jul 19 23:38 |
| MinceR | asay's article sounds like he can't wait to do chrome os with google | Jul 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | Daily means "latest" | Jul 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he does | Jul 19 23:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you forgot? | Jul 19 23:38 |
| MinceR | start a website called DailyInfoTimes.com? :> | Jul 19 23:39 |
| MinceR | i didn't | Jul 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | They have a conflict of interests | Jul 19 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | tea party..... | Jul 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Canonical works on ChromeSOS [sic] with Goulag | Jul 19 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | those people would lynch me if they ever developed any real power | Jul 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | "We'ah giva yu da data, you giva-a da cash" | Jul 19 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Like Mozilla | Jul 19 23:39 |
| MinceR | i don't quite see how the deal with bing-o in disguise fits into that scheme though | Jul 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Opera does this too | Jul 19 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Opera-ting system | Jul 19 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | so what happened with that? | Jul 19 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | Did Canonical return the money? | Jul 19 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | or had they not been paid yet? | Jul 19 23:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they took them to the corner | Jul 19 23:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] People are so accustumed to the fear of lock-in that they forgot the danger of privacy being eroded. Maybe it'll be reversed one day. | Jul 19 23:42 | |
| DaemonFC | I assume Google probably offered o pay them more to stay default | Jul 19 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | *to | Jul 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | "@mjasay Canonical needs to be more transparent about its affairs with the big G. I see you slamming (ish) Mozilla but no disclosure re c/os" | Jul 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: write to him too | Jul 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | On Twerper | Jul 19 23:43 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't do idetica AFAIK | Jul 19 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | they need to ditch Firefox | Jul 19 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | totally | Jul 19 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | replace it with Chromium | Jul 19 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | like they already did on Lubuntu | Jul 19 23:44 |
| schestowitz | UNE | Jul 19 23:44 |
| MinceR | chromium needs to get proper font rendering first | Jul 19 23:45 |
| ender2070 | firefox needs to get proper security first | Jul 19 23:45 |
| ender2070 | and html rendering | Jul 19 23:45 |
| ender2070 | acid3 has been out for over a year | Jul 19 23:46 |
| MinceR | freetype, Qt and pango have been out for ages | Jul 19 23:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian Mueller is defending .NET now. What a surprise.... Not. | Jul 19 23:46 | |
| ender2070 | freetype sucks | Jul 19 23:47 |
| ender2070 | truetype patent expired | Jul 19 23:47 |
| MinceR | chrome sucks harder | Jul 19 23:47 |
| ender2070 | we can use it now | Jul 19 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | why is Google giving Canonical grant money to develop Ubuntu One? | Jul 19 23:47 |
| ender2070 | Chromium OS | Jul 19 23:47 |
| ender2070 | likely | Jul 19 23:47 |
| ender2070 | its based on ubuntu right? | Jul 19 23:47 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 19 23:47 |
| MinceR | at least last time there were news about it it was | Jul 19 23:48 |
| ender2070 | perhaps Ubuntu One will be an chromium os shop too | Jul 19 23:48 |
| MinceR | but then there's all the talk about merging it with android, i'm not sure where that leads | Jul 19 23:48 |
| ender2070 | perhaps Android Marketplace + Ubuntu One ? | Jul 19 23:48 |
| ender2070 | [schestowitz] Florian Mueller is defending .NET now. What a surprise.... Not. | Jul 19 23:49 |
| ender2070 | should've ended that with .NOT | Jul 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | He also E-mailed me about it | Jul 19 23:49 |
| ender2070 | lol | Jul 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | And mailed many others | Jul 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't mass mail like a man | Jul 19 23:49 |
| schestowitz | He uses automation tools | Jul 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | This makes it look personal | Jul 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | And I asked him why he uses Gmail | Jul 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Which spies on my messages to/from him | Jul 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | He said it's cause it's for mass mailing | Jul 19 23:50 |
| MinceR | a.k.a. spam? | Jul 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | WHat a dishonest guy | Jul 19 23:50 |
| ender2070 | http://tinfoilhat.shmoo.com/ | Jul 19 23:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tinfoil Hat Linux .::. Size~: 2.75 KB | Jul 19 23:50 |
| schestowitz | He personalises the same message to many | Jul 19 23:50 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 19 23:50 |
| ender2070 | I use gmail | Jul 19 23:51 |
| ender2070 | oh noes | Jul 19 23:51 |
| *MinceR gets a red tinfoil hat | Jul 19 23:51 | |
| schestowitz | Blue, red, yellow, and green | Jul 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | It's like a kid's toy | Jul 19 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Don't be afraid of it | Jul 19 23:51 |
| MinceR | Tinfoil Hat Linux does seem interesting | Jul 19 23:54 |
| *DaemonFC is afraid to go to sleep | Jul 19 23:54 | |
| DaemonFC | Jabba bit my leg last night :P | Jul 19 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | then ran away | Jul 19 23:55 |
| MinceR | http://criggo.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/pope.jpg | Jul 19 23:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 19 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I follow the Space Pope | Jul 19 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 19 23:55 |
| MinceR | those are horns | Jul 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Jabba the dubba | Jul 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Everyone knows popes are horney | Jul 19 23:56 |
| MinceR | :D | Jul 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | *horny even | Jul 19 23:56 |
| MinceR | for underage kids? | Jul 19 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 19 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | Jabba the Catt says "Bring me Solo and a cookie!" | Jul 19 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | "Ho ho ho!!!" | Jul 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | Female's vagine too big for these folks | Jul 19 23:57 |
| schestowitz | *vagina | Jul 19 23:57 |
| *oiaohm_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Jul 19 23:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ouch. Bad photo. http://criggo.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/pope.jpg | Jul 19 23:59 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 19 23:59 |
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