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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I seriously recommend watching Nolan's Inception.Well worth your time and money at a #cinema near you. #movies | Jul 25 00:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jstone: Here's a good movie for the weekend, "The Yes Men Fix The World": http://ur1.ca/0ty33 | Jul 25 00:51 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: GPLv3 now dominates at Google Code - http://bit.ly/b51tRr big triumph for GPLv3: many were sceptical about its chances | Jul 25 00:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @philshapiro: Video: India unveils world's cheapest 'laptop' (actually tablet) - http://bit.ly/cretwV - costing $35. Linux rocks. | Jul 25 02:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US soldier speaks out about Iraq slaughter video http://bit.ly/clWNth | Jul 25 02:30 | |
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| tessier | cubezzz3: Maybe I would know what? | Jul 25 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | Jamie Zawinski made me laugh once with something to the effect of "So what if it's broken? It was free right?" | Jul 25 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | "You should be on your knees thanking us for wasing your time" | Jul 25 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 25 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | *wasting | Jul 25 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/doc/linuxvideo.html | Jul 25 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | here it is | Jul 25 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | *thanks to Google :) | Jul 25 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | "I guess you could consider it a review, if you were to squint at it just right. But really what it is is a rant about how I had an evening stolen from me by crap software design." | Jul 25 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Jul 25 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | "You're clearly an idiot, Linux is too sophisticated for you, you clearly are incapable of understanding anything, you should go back to kindergarten and/or use a Mac." (Oddly, all of these messages used the word `clearly' repeatedly.) | Jul 25 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | I seem to remember him using Red Hat 9 for like forever | Jul 25 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | then poking around with Ubuntu (7.10 I think it was), calling it crap, and then going back to Red Hat 9 for a while | Jul 25 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | that had me in stitches | Jul 25 03:25 |
| tessier | I don't get it. | Jul 25 03:43 |
| tessier | How does insulting both free software and users get us anywhere? | Jul 25 03:44 |
| cubezzz3 | tessier, first PC with an MMU | Jul 25 03:57 |
| cubezzz3 | I decided it must have been Sun 1 | Jul 25 03:58 |
| cubezzz3 | old rant DaemonFC | Jul 25 03:59 |
| cubezzz3 | anyways, I like X well enough | Jul 25 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | why is my equal sign not working? | Jul 25 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I've already tried turning the keyboard over and hitting it | Jul 25 04:01 |
| cubezzz3 | stop eating chips around it then | Jul 25 04:02 |
| cubezzz3 | "No eating in the computer room" | Jul 25 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | the key works as the plus sign | Jul 25 04:03 |
| tessier | oh...first pc with an mmu...I thought that was the 286. We talked about this once before... | Jul 25 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's a problem with KDE apparently | Jul 25 04:03 |
| tessier | oh, PC as in personal computer not x86 | Jul 25 04:03 |
| tessier | I wonder what it was like to use unix on a non-MMU computer. | Jul 25 04:04 |
| cubezzz3 | tessier, I did that | Jul 25 04:04 |
| cubezzz3 | Venix and Xenix | Jul 25 04:04 |
| tessier | Your userspace app could crash the whole thing. | Jul 25 04:04 |
| cubezzz3 | it wasn't that great :) | Jul 25 04:04 |
| cubezzz3 | not sure if 286 had an MMU | Jul 25 04:05 |
| cubezzz3 | but Sun 1 definitely did, as part of the motherboard | Jul 25 04:05 |
| cubezzz3 | anyways, I want an alternative to x86-land | Jul 25 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva freaked out after I put in KDE 4.5 | Jul 25 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | and I ended up having to delete the .kde4 folder and whack "Defaults" on a bunch of configuration menus to get it working | Jul 25 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | of course the guy that built the KDE 4.5 packages didn't seem to notice that the package manager thought the newer version of "bovo" (whatever that is) "conflicted" with the old 4.4.3 version | Jul 25 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | and so I had to uninstall "bovo" and then install the rest of KDE 4.5 and then reinstall "bovo" | Jul 25 04:08 |
| cubezzz3 | I don't even bother using KDE > 3.5.10 | Jul 25 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | then "Logout" started taking me to a terminal instead of to the log-in screen | Jul 25 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | that's when I thought of deleting the .kde4 folder and it works right again | Jul 25 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | of course that did kill all my KDE settings | Jul 25 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | it seems to be under control now | Jul 25 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | the keyboard layout got screwed over by _something_ and I had to reset it | Jul 25 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | I got my = key back | Jul 25 04:10 |
| cubezzz3 | ok, 286 does have MMU | Jul 25 04:10 |
| cubezzz3 | but there was something about 286 that was bad | Jul 25 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | an MMU, yes | Jul 25 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | a Paged MMU, no | Jul 25 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's good enough to address XMS memory | Jul 25 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 04:11 |
| cubezzz3 | ah, that must be it | Jul 25 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | Linux has never worked on a 286 | Jul 25 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | why are you messing around with one? | Jul 25 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | I don't recall BSD on 286 either | Jul 25 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | I'm not | Jul 25 04:12 |
| cubezzz3 | I was merely what PC had the first MMU | Jul 25 04:13 |
| cubezzz3 | merely asking | Jul 25 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | correct | Jul 25 04:13 |
| DaemonFC | the hardware that BSD was ported over from was sufficiently advanced beyond the 286 | Jul 25 04:14 |
| cubezzz3 | there _was_ Xenix 286 though | Jul 25 04:14 |
| cubezzz3 | even Xenix 8086 | Jul 25 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | (not a difficult thing to do) | Jul 25 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | the 386 was what it got ported to | Jul 25 04:14 |
| DaemonFC | the 386 was a radical departure from the 286, the likes of which weren't seen again until X86-64 | Jul 25 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 04:15 |
| cubezzz3 | you might be able to dig up Xenix and run it | Jul 25 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | actually, even X86-64 doesn't change the x86 archtiecture as much as the 386 did | Jul 25 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | why Xenix? | Jul 25 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | Minix ran on it | Jul 25 04:15 |
| cubezzz3 | it's common, might have more software for it | Jul 25 04:16 |
| cubezzz3 | businesses used it | Jul 25 04:16 |
| cubezzz3 | if I was going to do the 286 thing, I'd probably pick Xenix 286 | Jul 25 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | Minix 3 is 80386 or higher | Jul 25 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | a 386 and 4 MB of RAM will get you a working terminal | Jul 25 04:17 |
| cubezzz3 | even better, buy a Sun 1 | Jul 25 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 25 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | no X though | Jul 25 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | obviously | Jul 25 04:17 |
| cubezzz3 | curses :) | Jul 25 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's good enough to run Arachne | Jul 25 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 04:17 |
| cubezzz3 | heck, then you're back to DOS | Jul 25 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Jul 25 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | Minix takes advantage of the i386 architecture | Jul 25 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | and is a 32-bit OS | Jul 25 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | DOS isn't | Jul 25 04:18 |
| cubezzz3 | I assume Minix runs X? | Jul 25 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can use DOS extenders for that but then it's not really DOS anymore | Jul 25 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | it does | Jul 25 04:18 |
| cubezzz3 | Desqview :) | Jul 25 04:19 |
| cubezzz3 | I even have Desqview/X | Jul 25 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz3: Minix has an X server | Jul 25 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | and a desktop environment it defaults to | Jul 25 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | called Equinox | Jul 25 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equinox_Desktop_Environment | Jul 25 04:19 |
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| cubezzz3 | ok, oldest machine that can run X :) | Jul 25 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | well, by default I mean binary packages for it are made available as optional extras | Jul 25 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | but then again, X itself is an optional extra | Jul 25 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | EDE can run on Linux but it's not freedesktop.org compatible | Jul 25 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | it is fairly minimal though | Jul 25 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | your 486 could probably run it happily | Jul 25 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.equinox-project.org/ | Jul 25 04:23 |
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| cubezzz3 | it's already running icewm plus some of the X programs I wrote | Jul 25 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.equinox-project.org/sitemedia/screenshots/20b_shot1.png | Jul 25 04:23 |
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| cubezzz3 | I wonder if I could get BL3 to run my parallel port scanner | Jul 25 04:24 |
| cubezzz3 | but I'm using plip so it would be awkward | Jul 25 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | the main problem the coexistance of GNOME and KDE cause it their different GUI toolkits | Jul 25 04:24 |
| cubezzz3 | here is the kicker: | Jul 25 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | it makes whichever desktop you choose less consistent if you want to mix GTK and QT programs | Jul 25 04:25 |
| cubezzz3 | "32-bit protected memory mode" | Jul 25 04:25 |
| cubezzz3 | 286 doesn't have it | Jul 25 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | 286 is a 16-bit CPU | Jul 25 04:25 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah :) | Jul 25 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | the 386 is not necessarily a 32-bit CPU either though | Jul 25 04:25 |
| cubezzz3 | and PDP-11 was 32 bit | Jul 25 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | the 386 SX was 16-bit and had a maximum of 16 MB of RAM | Jul 25 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | the DX was the 32-bit version | Jul 25 04:26 |
| cubezzz3 | it was part 16 and part 32 bit wasn't it? | Jul 25 04:27 |
| cubezzz3 | the SX | Jul 25 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jul 25 04:27 |
| cubezzz3 | yes | Jul 25 04:28 |
| cubezzz3 | "The CPU remained fully 32-bit internally, but the 16-bit bus was intended to simplify circuit board layout and reduce total cost" | Jul 25 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | the SX was a way to get rid of faulty DX chips | Jul 25 04:28 |
| cubezzz3 | hence both 16 and 32 bit | Jul 25 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | it started out because of a bug in the chipset | Jul 25 04:28 |
| cubezzz3 | then there is 486SLC | Jul 25 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | Intel brands good parts as cheaper versions at lower clock speeds | Jul 25 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | even today | Jul 25 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | or with perfectly good L@ or L3 disabled | Jul 25 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | *L2 | Jul 25 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's a way to supply their low end market without eating into their more profitable business | Jul 25 04:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_80487#80487 | Jul 25 04:31 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 25 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | another evil thing Intel did | Jul 25 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | that's one good reason to switch over to the X86-64 version of the OS | Jul 25 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | x87 is totally illegal in X86-64 software | Jul 25 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | it forces at least SSE2 | Jul 25 04:33 |
| cubezzz3 | intel is evil though | Jul 25 04:34 |
| cubezzz3 | so you want to get off intel | Jul 25 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of 32-bit x86 software that's still using x87 | Jul 25 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | even though Intel deprecated it years ago | Jul 25 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 04:35 |
| DaemonFC | x87 is still allowed in X86-64 Long Mode when running 32-bit software | Jul 25 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | but that's the only time it should surface | Jul 25 04:36 |
| DaemonFC | really most decent software ditched x87 long ago | Jul 25 04:36 |
| cubezzz3 | see? | Jul 25 04:37 |
| cubezzz3 | you are stuck on wintel | Jul 25 04:37 |
| cubezzz3 | no escape | Jul 25 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Visual Studio won't allow you to use x87 features at all now | Jul 25 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | since version 2008 | Jul 25 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | that's why all the crappy programs still only provise VS 2005 project files | Jul 25 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | *provide | Jul 25 04:38 |
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| DaemonFC | gcc still allows it | Jul 25 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | even in 4.5 | Jul 25 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | which it shouldn't | Jul 25 04:38 |
| cubezzz3 | of course, wintel commands you to buy a new PC every 2 years | Jul 25 04:38 |
| cubezzz3 | you can't disobey :) | Jul 25 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | that's ridiculous | Jul 25 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | I still use my old XP laptop | Jul 25 04:39 |
| cubezzz3 | tightly integrated and non-fixable | Jul 25 04:39 |
| cubezzz3 | consumerism all the way | Jul 25 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | it works | Jul 25 04:40 |
| cubezzz3 | that's fine, but you still have newer computers as well yes? | Jul 25 04:40 |
| cubezzz3 | wintel is pleased | Jul 25 04:40 |
| cubezzz3 | i7 in every home | Jul 25 04:40 |
| DaemonFC | who cares? | Jul 25 04:41 |
| cubezzz3 | with windows | Jul 25 04:41 |
| cubezzz3 | I think you get the idea | Jul 25 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I want a nicer PC than the one I bought when people were still complaining about President Bush | Jul 25 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | (Sr.) | Jul 25 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | you obviously don't | Jul 25 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's fine | Jul 25 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | how's that 20 MB hard drive holding up? :) | Jul 25 04:42 |
| cubezzz3 | it's 250 meg actually, and it still works :) | Jul 25 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | good good, and the 8 MB of RAM? | Jul 25 04:42 |
| cubezzz3 | 16 megs! | Jul 25 04:42 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah that works too | Jul 25 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | battery powered sex toys have more memory than your computer | Jul 25 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | and a faster CPU too | Jul 25 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 04:43 |
| cubezzz3 | people are conditioned to consume and buy things that they don't even need | Jul 25 04:44 |
| cubezzz3 | over-eating is another example | Jul 25 04:44 |
| cubezzz3 | serving sizes at restaurants... | Jul 25 04:45 |
| cubezzz3 | SUVs | Jul 25 04:45 |
| DaemonFC | nothing wrong with the serving sizes | Jul 25 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | what's wrong is the people that willingly order and eat those serving sizes | Jul 25 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | with no gun pointed at their head | Jul 25 04:46 |
| cubezzz3 | it's gluttony | Jul 25 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | of their own free will | Jul 25 04:46 |
| DaemonFC | it's their right | Jul 25 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | they can pay for it | Jul 25 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | and then they can pay for it | Jul 25 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | fuck you | Jul 25 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | their choice | Jul 25 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | see how free will works? | Jul 25 04:47 |
| cubezzz3 | oh I don't care really | Jul 25 04:47 |
| cubezzz3 | just an observation | Jul 25 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | and why do liberals always complain about other peoples problems? | Jul 25 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | then try to use the state to interfere with freedom of choice? | Jul 25 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | does it bother them when they can't dictate what other people can and can't do? | Jul 25 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | control freakery | Jul 25 04:48 |
| cubezzz3 | I don't know | Jul 25 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | everyone knows cigarettes are poisonous | Jul 25 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | some people, knowing the risk, smoke anyway | Jul 25 04:48 |
| DaemonFC | oh no, shouts the liberal whiny dochebag | Jul 25 04:49 |
| cubezzz3 | it's true | Jul 25 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | free will!!! | Jul 25 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | I must stop them from making an informed decision! | Jul 25 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | *I* must interfere with their daily lives! | Jul 25 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | muahahahaaaa!!!! | Jul 25 04:49 |
| cubezzz3 | yes, but I was really mainly talking about myself and computers :) | Jul 25 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | I know, maybe I can put out a bunch of fraudulant science about second hand smoke | Jul 25 04:49 |
| cubezzz3 | I didn't say you shouldn't buy one | Jul 25 04:49 |
| DaemonFC | and recruit other people as my unwitting anti-smoking Nazi horde! | Jul 25 04:50 |
| cubezzz3 | I'm not switching to a 286 | Jul 25 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | see, if you don't like walking into that restaurant and smelling cigarette smoke, nobody is making you take your business there | Jul 25 04:50 |
| cubezzz3 | I merely like to keep what I have in working condition | Jul 25 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | but the liberal just passes a law that says nobody can smoke, in a PRIVATELY OWNED establishment | Jul 25 04:50 |
| DaemonFC | fuckers | Jul 25 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | this is what you get with liberals | Jul 25 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | a nanny state | Jul 25 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | every time | Jul 25 04:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/nanny-state.jpg | Jul 25 04:52 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 25 04:52 |
| cubezzz3 | a social liberal would really be someone who wanted less restrictions, not more | Jul 25 04:52 |
| cubezzz3 | as I understand the term | Jul 25 04:52 |
| cubezzz3 | e.g. no seatbelts in NH yes? | Jul 25 04:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Nanny-State-Teetotaling-Do-Gooders-Bureaucrats/dp/0767924320 | Jul 25 04:52 |
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| DaemonFC | "Nanny State: How Food Fascists, Teetotaling Do-Gooders, Priggish Moralists, and other Boneheaded Bureaucrats are Turning America into a Nation of Children" | Jul 25 04:53 |
| cubezzz3 | anyways... | Jul 25 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's European style liberal crap | Jul 25 04:53 |
| DaemonFC | an invasion of it | Jul 25 04:53 |
| cubezzz3 | oh I understand your argument | Jul 25 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | "Whether bureaucrats are banning trans fats, trying to reduce drinking or legislating where citizens can smoke, Harsanyi objects. Such regulation, he believes, insults a freeborn citizenry. As he puts it: the five most frightening words in the English language: something needs to be done." | Jul 25 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 25 04:54 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like Ronald Reagan (the campaign speech, not the President he went on to become) | Jul 25 04:55 |
| cubezzz3 | generally speaking banning transfats is a good idea | Jul 25 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | The scariest thing you'll ever hear is "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" | Jul 25 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 04:55 |
| DaemonFC | banning transfats, OK, then it's salts, then it's preservatives | Jul 25 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | then PETA steps in and makes us all eat tofurkey | Jul 25 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | where does it end? | Jul 25 04:56 |
| cubezzz3 | I tried tofu burgers, and I hated them :) | Jul 25 04:56 |
| cubezzz3 | or veggie burgers... or whatever it was | Jul 25 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | you'll eat tofurkey and you'll eat it without any non government approved spices | Jul 25 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 04:57 |
| cubezzz3 | you can still buy a big mac | Jul 25 04:57 |
| cubezzz3 | if you hurry :) | Jul 25 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | you're damed right I can | Jul 25 04:57 |
| cubezzz3 | people can still buy cigarettes too, last time I checked | Jul 25 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | those vegetarians piss me off more than anything | Jul 25 04:57 |
| DaemonFC | makes me want to find the biggest greasiest cheeseburger out there and pin their eyelids open | Jul 25 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | so they have to watch me eat it, savoring every bite | Jul 25 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | fascist cocksuckers | Jul 25 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 04:58 |
| cubezzz3 | yes but there's no ban on meat | Jul 25 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | not yet | Jul 25 04:58 |
| cubezzz3 | so how could they even bother you? ;) | Jul 25 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | wait until ObamaCare 2.0 | Jul 25 04:58 |
| cubezzz3 | I think Obama even smokes | Jul 25 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | "Well, now that we choose all your healthcare decisions, eating meat and too much salt are costing us money | Jul 25 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | "As you are our vassals, you will eat whatever we say you will" | Jul 25 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | "You are property, not free people" | Jul 25 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's what healthcare is all about | Jul 25 05:00 |
| cubezzz3 | hmmm, straw man argument | Jul 25 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's a front so they can control us more | Jul 25 05:00 |
| cubezzz3 | seriously though, I do like older computers | Jul 25 05:00 |
| cubezzz3 | I know that's probably strange to hear | Jul 25 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | health, safety, and family values | Jul 25 05:01 |
| DaemonFC | don't eat that cheeseburger you Nazi | Jul 25 05:01 |
| cubezzz3 | my earlier comments were mainly about how modern operating systems don't allow for older computers | Jul 25 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | don't smoke in your own home | Jul 25 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | or a private business that otherwise would say you can | Jul 25 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | abstinence before marriage | Jul 25 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | BY STATUTE! | Jul 25 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | woot! | Jul 25 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's coming back!!! | Jul 25 05:02 |
| cubezzz3 | doubtful | Jul 25 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | the Supreme Court has become as suggestion panel | Jul 25 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | some states are still trying to enforce their sodomy laws | Jul 25 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | *a | Jul 25 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | the Mormons bought up a mile of public street and sidewalk in Salt Lake City | Jul 25 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | and they'll have you arrested if you're holding another man's hand on what was a public sidewalk | Jul 25 05:04 |
| cubezzz3 | wow you got Mormons and Amish ;) | Jul 25 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's a one mile stretch of MAIN STREET | Jul 25 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | do you not get the problem here? | Jul 25 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | supposed to be a PUBLIC resource | Jul 25 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | how does the city government sell it to a church? | Jul 25 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz3: The Amish keep to themselves | Jul 25 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | and they call us "The English" | Jul 25 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | and they inbreed | Jul 25 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | if being English means I don't fuck my sisters, then hell yeah I'm English! | Jul 25 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 25 05:06 |
| cubezzz3 | I think it originated in German or Switzerland | Jul 25 05:06 |
| cubezzz3 | Amish I mean | Jul 25 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | do you have Amish in Canadaland? | Jul 25 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 05:07 |
| cubezzz3 | I think so yes | Jul 25 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | I could see them setting up a commune in Ontario | Jul 25 05:07 |
| cubezzz3 | In Ontario we do, not sure exactly where though | Jul 25 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's not that far from their US settlements | Jul 25 05:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, then you have laws passed that gives horses and buggies the right of way | Jul 25 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | on roads with a 60 mile per hour speed limit | Jul 25 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 05:08 |
| cubezzz3 | nothing here me though | Jul 25 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | be glad | Jul 25 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | be VERY glad | Jul 25 05:08 |
| cubezzz3 | I never see horses or buggies | Jul 25 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | a horse and buggy on a road with a 60 MPH speed limit | Jul 25 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | can cause a bit of a problem | Jul 25 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 05:09 |
| cubezzz3 | 50 kpm on most city roads | Jul 25 05:09 |
| cubezzz3 | or less | Jul 25 05:09 |
| cubezzz3 | er, km | Jul 25 05:09 |
| cubezzz3 | kilometer per hour :) | Jul 25 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | 96.56064 kilometers per hour | Jul 25 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | Jul 25 05:10 |
| *DaemonFC switches over to the metric system so he can fly down the interstates doing 112 without a ticket or losing his license | Jul 25 05:10 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 05:10 |
| cubezzz3 | 50 kpm = 31.06856 mph | Jul 25 05:11 |
| cubezzz3 | for city driving | Jul 25 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | city roads tend to be anywhere from 30-35 MPH | Jul 25 05:11 |
| cubezzz3 | of course a lot of people go faster than that | Jul 25 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | 20 in a school zone | Jul 25 05:11 |
| cubezzz3 | yes, similar here | Jul 25 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States | Jul 25 05:12 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 25 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | sorry officer, I just can't drive 55! | Jul 25 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 05:12 |
| cubezzz3 | I think some interstates are 70 mph yes? | Jul 25 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | heh, some interstates are 85 now | Jul 25 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | in Indiana, they're 70 though | Jul 25 05:13 |
| cubezzz3 | "Montana and Nevada among others previously had no statutory speed limits for cars and motorcycles in certain conditions" | Jul 25 05:14 |
| cubezzz3 | wow | Jul 25 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | in Texas you can do 80 during the day in some places | Jul 25 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | but at night it goes down to 65 | Jul 25 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | yes, it was "don't exceed a reasonable speed" or something | Jul 25 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | which is unconstitutionally vague | Jul 25 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | meaning all speeding tickets were technically invalid :) | Jul 25 05:15 |
| cubezzz3 | well, a lower speed for night driving is understandable | Jul 25 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | the Feds allow the states to decide how to label interstate highways in most cases | Jul 25 05:16 |
| cubezzz3 | sometimes I take the train | Jul 25 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | the state can label in Kilometers or Km/h if they like | Jul 25 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | but none of them do | Jul 25 05:17 |
| cubezzz3 | yes we've been through that :) | Jul 25 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | typically the odometer is in miles only | Jul 25 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | so Kilometers would be very confusing | Jul 25 05:18 |
| cubezzz3 | I'm comfortable with both systems | Jul 25 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | some cars have a speedometer that gives Kilometers per hour as a secondary reading | Jul 25 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | mine does :P | Jul 25 05:18 |
| cubezzz3 | digital dash? | Jul 25 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | no | Jul 25 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | the kilometers per hour reading is on the bottom in half-sized font | Jul 25 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 05:19 |
| cubezzz3 | oh right | Jul 25 05:19 |
| cubezzz3 | just one analog dial then | Jul 25 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 25 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | cars are going more digital now with everything | Jul 25 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | just so there's more stuff to fail | Jul 25 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | you can't fix it yourself | Jul 25 05:20 |
| cubezzz3 | I had a digital dash in the 80's | Jul 25 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | and it's really expensive to fix | Jul 25 05:20 |
| cubezzz3 | it messed up a lot though | Jul 25 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | even when sensors and digital displays make no sense | Jul 25 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | they're putting them on shit just so they fail more and cost more | Jul 25 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | "The 1995 National Highway System Designation Act prohibited use of federal funds to finance new metric signage." | Jul 25 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Jul 25 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | " | Jul 25 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | In response to the 1973 oil crisis, Congress enacted the National Maximum Speed Law that created the universal 55 miles per hour (89 km/h) speed limit. | Jul 25 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | The law was widely disregarded by motorists, even after the national maximum was increased to 65 miles per hour (105 km/h) in 1987 on certain roads. In 1995, the law was repealed, returning the choice of speed limit to each state. | Jul 25 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the speed limit was 55-65, but the cops never pulled anyone over for doing 70 | Jul 25 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | they would if you did much more than that though | Jul 25 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | "The law was widely disregarded by motorists. Most states subversively opposed the law, ranging from proposing deals for exemption from it to minimizing speeding penalties." | Jul 25 05:24 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, I think Indiana fined you $5 for going 65 in a 55 zone | Jul 25 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | what cop is going to pull you over to ticket you $5? :P | Jul 25 05:25 |
| cubezzz3 | free donuts? :) | Jul 25 05:25 |
| cubezzz3 | I'll give you a box of donuts if you don't give me a ticket | Jul 25 05:25 |
| DaemonFC | the federal government wasn't intended to micromanage | Jul 25 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | but damn if they don't love doing it | Jul 25 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/11/1148.asp | Jul 25 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/hacks/why-cooperation-with-rms-is-impossible.mp3 | Jul 25 06:39 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XEmacs | Jul 25 06:42 |
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| DaemonFC | cubezzz3: http://ftp.netscape.com/pub/netscape7/english/7.2/unix/linux/sea/netscape-i686-pc-linux-gnu-sea.tar.gz | Jul 25 06:50 |
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| DaemonFC | for your 486 | Jul 25 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 25 06:50 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if it still works | Jul 25 06:50 | |
| *DaemonFC downloads it | Jul 25 06:51 | |
| DaemonFC | [ryan@localhost netscape-installer]$ ./netscape-installer | Jul 25 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | ./netscape-installer-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | Jul 25 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 06:53 |
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| DaemonFC | [ryan@localhost netscape-installer]$ urpmq --whatprovides libgtk-1.2.so.0 | Jul 25 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | No package named libgtk-1.2.so.0 | Jul 25 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Browser | Jul 25 07:00 |
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| schestowitz | "Customers will get free bumpers or cases, but not an apology -- and Apple continues to miss the real issue" http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/iphone-4-apple-does-the-right-thing-unconvincingly-633 | Jul 25 07:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Worst Open Source ‘Infiltration’ Ever http://ur1.ca/0u01o #entryism #linux #clug #southafrica #opensource | Jul 25 07:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsofts Worst Open Source Infiltration Ever | Techrights .::. Size~: 111.81 KB | Jul 25 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms379558 | Jul 25 07:21 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: sounds like your kind of sample program | Jul 25 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | witing a tabbed browser in C# which embeds IE Trident :) | Jul 25 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | *writing | Jul 25 07:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.infoworld.com/t/mobile-services/att-cant-you-do-anything-right-152 | Jul 25 07:22 |
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| DaemonFC | http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=499 | Jul 25 07:25 |
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| DaemonFC | "Many parts of the spec were outright misleading and contradicted libvpx itself." | Jul 25 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jul 25 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | "It didn’t help that the suite of official conformance tests didn’t even cover all the features used by the official encoder! We’ve already started adding our own conformance tests to deal with this. But I’ve complained enough in past posts about the lack of a spec; let’s get onto the gritty details." | Jul 25 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | ouch | Jul 25 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | 3rd parties that have nothing to do with the original spec have had to effectively reverse engineer VP8 to make working conformance tests | Jul 25 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | shit | Jul 25 07:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @BR3NDA: 250 Palestinian Refugee Children receive laptops in the Amari Boys School! One Laptop per Child ur1.ca/0tzsa | Jul 25 07:41 | |
| schestowitz | rlove? http://www.informit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1610334 | Jul 25 07:41 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: For UK Dell drops Ubuntu for now. http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010072400635NWBZ | Jul 25 07:51 |
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| schestowitz | It never really supported it | Jul 25 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Not Dell UK | Jul 25 07:51 |
| schestowitz | And they hid it deep inside the pages, with few options | Jul 25 07:51 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah it was hidden away | Jul 25 07:51 |
| sebsebseb | for people in the know | Jul 25 07:52 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking .com | Jul 25 07:52 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I guess same for .co.uk | Jul 25 07:52 |
| schestowitz | http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/13942-Linux-mobile-fast-track.html | Jul 25 07:56 |
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| schestowitz | They lack advertising, then they fulfil their own rant by claiming no demand | Jul 25 07:57 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if the recent backlash about "Security" is also what contributed to their decision\ | Jul 25 07:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.dailytech.com/Why+I+Love+Linux+by+Kale+Stedman/article19077.htm | Jul 25 07:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/linux_unix/article.php/3893556/Dont+Bother+Waiting+for+the+Linux+Revolution:+Its+Already+Here.htm | Jul 25 07:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Well good comments on Linux Today for it | Jul 25 08:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/government-computers-to-get-linux-based-operating-system/410915.html | Jul 25 08:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Government Computers to Get Linux-Based Operating System | Business | The Moscow Times .::. Size~: 79.63 KB | Jul 25 08:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: This is worth reading really, and can get onto it from Greygeeks comment on Linux Today http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3112958.msg236375#msg236375 | Jul 25 08:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: DELL stops listing Ubuntu computers in the UK .::. Size~: 67.84 KB | Jul 25 08:06 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: That site seems to be unoffical, but according to my Firefox add ons its hosted in USA on Microsoft-IIS/6.0 hrm @ that | Jul 25 08:07 |
| oiaohm | I hate having to backup machines before formating them to hell. | Jul 25 08:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Interesting thoughts on Dell, Linux, Intel, and Microsoft: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3112958.msg236375#msg236375 | Jul 25 08:15 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: DELL stops listing Ubuntu computers in the UK .::. Size~: 67.77 KB | Jul 25 08:15 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, interesting | Jul 25 08:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So you used it for something, a Tweet on Twitter? | Jul 25 08:17 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Jul 25 08:17 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Jul 25 08:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Its like one of your blog entries that post actually | Jul 25 08:19 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: What by putting Windows back on them? :D | Jul 25 08:20 |
| sebsebseb | no that would be re installing | Jul 25 08:20 |
| sebsebseb | not formatting | Jul 25 08:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDaksxdjJGU&feature=digest | Jul 25 08:20 |
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| schestowitz | Neat | Jul 25 08:20 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway formatting would get rid of the Microsoft infection :D | Jul 25 08:21 |
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| oiaohm | Boxs are turning into Linux boxs to protect the and serve the rest of the network | Jul 25 08:27 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh | Jul 25 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Yes I have to get rid of there windows client OS's. | Jul 25 08:28 |
| oiaohm | Not like Linux box's for small networks need to be powerful. | Jul 25 08:29 |
| oiaohm | These machines are useless for windows 7 | Jul 25 08:29 |
| oiaohm | I am a master of scrap machine recycling. | Jul 25 08:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Two days off. Have to finish off the Peppermint ICE article. | Jul 25 08:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] What is Scientific Data? - http://bit.ly/9s139B good question about important issues #opendata #science | Jul 25 08:31 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TugslL45aXk | Jul 25 08:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- Gorilla Suit Man Knocks himself out http://youtu.be/XjqIRGp7Cd8?a | Jul 25 08:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Dell drops Ubuntu PCs from website... for now - http://bit.ly/a2T4WZ you mean *again*? can't they make their mind up? #dell #linux #uk | Jul 25 08:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell drops Ubuntu PCs from website... for now | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 41.44 KB | Jul 25 08:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] WPA2 vulnerability found - http://bit.ly/cE6TpX another wifi weakness - another reason why #DEAct is unworkable #wifi #security | Jul 25 08:44 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WPA2 vulnerability found .::. Size~: 101.79 KB | Jul 25 08:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] It's more than genes, it's networks and systems - http://bit.ly/9CikKQ excellent explanation of what's really going in #evolution | Jul 25 08:51 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: It's more than genes, it's networks and systems : Pharyngula .::. Size~: 116.43 KB | Jul 25 08:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A Guide to the Digital Economy Act - Part 2 - http://bit.ly/c023fW more useful stuff to cut out and keep #DEAct #uk | Jul 25 08:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A Guide to the Digital Economy Act - Part 2 - Pirate Party UK .::. Size~: 15.66 KB | Jul 25 08:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 25/7/2010: Russian Government and #GNU #Linux , Old #OpenBSD Interview (Video) http://ur1.ca/0u0ri | Jul 25 08:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 25/7/2010: Russian Government and GNU/Linux, Old OpenBSD Interview (Video) | Techrights .::. Size~: 109.14 KB | Jul 25 08:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Did you go the pcpro article about Dell UK and Ubuntu? | Jul 25 09:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: That Linux Today was linking to | Jul 25 09:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Architecture Network - http://bit.ly/dnWQvK "open source community dedicated to improving living conditions" (Via @mberry @ecocreative) | Jul 25 09:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: About the Open Architecture Network | Open Architecture Network .::. Size~: 16.24 KB | Jul 25 09:03 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] An Introduction to Firefox's Tab Candy - http://bit.ly/95QCNO really nice idea (who's says OSS isn't innovative?), naff name #firefox #tabs | Jul 25 09:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A few remarks about #Centrify and #Likewise — the Microsoft-esque companies which pretend to serve open source http://ur1.ca/0u0ul | Jul 25 09:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ian Tomlinson ruling: we must all fight this whitewash - http://bit.ly/aclhZu great summary of why this is so wrong (via @jackofkent) | Jul 25 09:19 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ian Tomlinson ruling: we must all fight this whitewash | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 188.94 KB | Jul 25 09:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Increasing number of Austrian schools turn to open source - http://bit.ly/bIPRR1 slowly but surely spreading #opensource #schools #at | Jul 25 09:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: AT: Increasing number of schools turn to open source — .::. Size~: 29.37 KB | Jul 25 09:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Educational and Cost Effectiveness: OER vs Traditional Textbooks - http://bit.ly/a2Bb15 interesting project, should provide useful data #oer | Jul 25 09:28 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Educational and Cost Effectiveness: OER vs Traditional Textbooks « iterating toward openness .::. Size~: 24.7 KB | Jul 25 09:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] British girls undergo horror of genital mutilation despite tough laws - http://bit.ly/cjXU8E barbaric; its tolerance in UK is a scandal #fgm | Jul 25 09:36 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: British girls undergo horror of genital mutilation despite tough laws | Society | The Observer .::. Size~: 200.08 KB | Jul 25 09:36 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Has #BP Already Abandoned Windows? http://ur1.ca/0u0zi No indication yet that BP took a lesson from its computer error #windows #bpcares | Jul 25 09:49 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Has BP Already Abandoned Windows? | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.45 KB | Jul 25 09:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hmmm... I've just googled "novell" and Techrights is result #5. Not so good for Novell, I think. | Jul 25 09:55 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/43259680#notice-43558388 "Isn't it amazing how quickly fortunes change in the digital world. Funny. Novell doesn't show at all on a "Techrights" search." | Jul 25 10:00 |
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| schestowitz | "nothing wrong with self-aggrandizing ;-)" | Jul 25 10:00 |
| tessier | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16589/wall_street_speaks_the_days_of_microsoft_growth_are_over | Jul 25 10:08 |
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| oiaohm | Boy zdnet is trying to make out that the 35 dollar machine has to be vaporware. | Jul 25 10:20 |
| oiaohm | Because if it not it is really the end to MS money game in lower end of market. | Jul 25 10:20 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/288863 "well let's hope the ubuntu crowd becomes a little more skeptical of their "allies" and spends a little less time bashing/censoring/defending them against skeptics" | Jul 25 10:21 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: someone from India told me the same thought | Jul 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | *though | Jul 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | it turns out to be the same guy who talked about $10 laptop some years ago | Jul 25 10:21 |
| schestowitz | We shall see... | Jul 25 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Today its possible. | Jul 25 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Some years ago I was not. | Jul 25 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes he talked about it years ago that a long term goal should be a 10 dollar laptop. schestowitz | Jul 25 10:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/enough-with-the-elitist-app-nonsense/2292 | Jul 25 10:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Enough with the elitist App nonsense | ZDNet .::. Size~: 127.16 KB | Jul 25 10:36 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: now he says under $20 | Jul 25 10:36 |
| schestowitz | Patents are the barrier | Jul 25 10:36 |
| tessier | Hope it is real. | Jul 25 10:36 |
| tessier | Would love to see someone else succeed where OLPC failed. | Jul 25 10:36 |
| tessier | Would love to see computers get so cheap people cannot afford to pay much for the software on them. | Jul 25 10:37 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20011017-264.html | Jul 25 10:38 |
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| schestowitz | tessier: it would be best for people who service and set up computers | Jul 25 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Not hardware or software companies that purely deal with creating without servicing | Jul 25 10:39 |
| schestowitz | The scarcity is man hours that can't have code/ideas reused | Jul 25 10:39 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/353946/tax_office_goes_ubuntu_auskey_linux_standard/ | Jul 25 10:42 |
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| schestowitz | ABout time.. | Jul 25 10:42 |
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| oiaohm | Progress | Jul 25 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Now to get ODF used internally. | Jul 25 10:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @jackofkent This is the same CPS that is prosecuting @pauljchambers over #TwitterJokeTrial>>that's clearly *much* more serious than death | Jul 25 12:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] XOR patent ended Commodore-Amiga - http://bit.ly/a0eU2D "Commodore-Amiga owed $10M for patent infringement" (via @rupertg) #swpats #amiga | Jul 25 12:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Can s/ tell the #etherpad people that their .org site needs a little love? Lots of 502 gateway errors ... | Jul 25 12:55 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Increasing number of Austrian schools turn to open source - http://bit.ly/bIPRR1 slowly but surely spreading | Jul 25 13:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] .@glynmoody there are now 6 schools in San Francisco using FOSS. Pls follow @Partimus, The NGO involved w this work. | Jul 25 13:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @einfeldt great - thanks | Jul 25 13:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Bus campaigns are for everyone. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/22/london-bus-female-ordination-pope | Jul 25 13:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody XOR patent ended Commodore-Amiga - http://bit.ly/a0eU2D "Commodore-Amiga owed $10M for patent infringement" (via @rupertg) | Jul 25 14:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] We made some progress yesterday on the trusted global ID here at ETOY.tanks. Now we need peer review, so expect publication soonish. | Jul 25 14:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: We made some progress yesterday on trusted global ID here at ETOY.tanks. Now we need peer review, expect publication soonish. | Jul 25 14:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @jwildeboer: An identification per person globally... isn't it a bit fascist ? | Jul 25 14:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] WIsh I knew if people liked it better when I posted/dented many links to different sites with news about GNU/Linux. | Jul 25 14:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.totaltele.com/view.aspx?ID=456420 | Jul 25 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iHl7VtCktMo5VGf70x2fNyN8i2bQ | Jul 25 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | "Al-Qaeda's new English-language magazine is an "unfortunately well done" publication aimed at convincing Americans to carry out terrorist attacks at home, a top US lawmaker said Monday." | Jul 25 14:29 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How much can Microsoft chanrge for Vista7 at this stage? Not much. http://ur1.ca/0u2by | Jul 25 14:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: ASUS EP101TC tablet drops Windows for Android - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.04 KB | Jul 25 14:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The $35 vapourware/tablet is said to be running Android, not proper Linux http://ur1.ca/0u2cd | Jul 25 14:44 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/users-and-contributors-differ-on-oracle-open-source/6859 | Jul 25 14:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @ruiseabra the mantra is "my data, my control" - you generate the ID, you control it, you own it. | Jul 25 14:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Can we map 16 byte hex into 11 alphanumeric chars? I guess not. #globalID | Jul 25 15:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] More work is needed to classify and broadly characterise 'open' core companies as /not/ open source. Simon Phipps made a good start. | Jul 25 15:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] At ETOY General Meeting. Share distribution discussion. | Jul 25 15:31 | |
| schestowitz | "I guess India could pull that off. They made the famous $2500 car... [...] But, if it was to run on winblow$, it would be a real vapourware ($35 Redmond would never cut its price so low...)" http://identi.ca/conversation/43295506#notice-43594830 | Jul 25 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | I'm not sure about this. Someone whom I trust in India says it's just vapourware, but I guess patents are the main cost barrier. | Jul 25 15:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA__RTSCRco&feature=digest "These videos are foolish, Cat. I'm unsubscribing, sorry." | Jul 25 15:43 |
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| schestowitz | What a bunch of idiots | Jul 25 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Thinking that posting "I'm a nigger" videos will reduce racism | Jul 25 15:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Weekly Links #14 http://goo.gl/fb/FXNEt | Jul 25 16:26 | |
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| schestowitz | "Pity, I was watching it with eager eyes: 3rd world responding to OLPC and the evil IT companies (Wintel and such" "Did U know about this http://ur1.ca/0u2s2 ??? Very interesting stuff about M$ financial frauds" http://identi.ca/conversation/43301106#notice-43603966 | Jul 25 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | I spoke to him.... Bill Parish. | Jul 25 16:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 25/7/2010: Catch-up With Last Week's News http://techrights.org/2010/07/25/last-week-news/ | Jul 25 16:30 | |
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| schestowitz | "Awesome. Hope he is not hiding or something. Those facts R really disturbing, and should give M$ a hard time." http://identi.ca/conversation/43307369#notice-43606562 "If USA was a serious country..." | Jul 25 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft's apparent fraud needs someone with a lot of weight to actually call for a probe | Jul 25 16:40 |
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| schestowitz | Unless it's a Microsoft whistleblower | Jul 25 16:41 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft Kills Another ‘Killer Project’, #Patents Killed Commodore-Amiga #swpats | Jul 25 17:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Kills Another ‘Killer Project’, #Patents Killed #Commodore #Amiga http://ur1.ca/0u312 #swpats | Jul 25 17:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Distrusted Media and the Illusion of #Microsoft as an Open Source Player http://ur1.ca/0u3b6 #opencore #gpl #fud | Jul 25 17:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Distrusted Media and the Illusion of Microsoft as an Open Source Player | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.53 KB | Jul 25 17:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lack of news about #Microsoft not an indication of nothing worth saying about its current affairs/actions http://ur1.ca/0u3er | Jul 25 18:13 | |
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| cubezzz3 | AMiga isn't quite dead btw | Jul 25 18:14 |
| cubezzz3 | there's the X1000 | Jul 25 18:14 |
| cubezzz3 | and the FPGA stuff | Jul 25 18:14 |
| *Wulf-is-not-here is now known as WireWulf | Jul 25 18:21 | |
| schestowitz | Trademarks | Jul 25 18:21 |
| cubezzz3 | Commodore management killed Commodore more than MIcrosoft killed Commodore | Jul 25 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Who mentioned Microsoft? | Jul 25 18:22 |
| cubezzz3 | you can still buy NOS stock | Jul 25 18:22 |
| cubezzz3 | me :) | Jul 25 18:22 |
| cubezzz3 | I lived in that era | Jul 25 18:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.freebsd.org/releases/8.1R/announce.html | Jul 25 18:23 |
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| cubezzz3 | sorry I relaized there's a comma there ^^^ | Jul 25 18:23 |
| cubezzz3 | realized | Jul 25 18:23 |
| cubezzz3 | but Microsoft did help kill Commodore | Jul 25 18:23 |
| cubezzz3 | it just wasn't the biggest factor in their demise | Jul 25 18:24 |
| WireWulf | M$ is ghey | Jul 25 18:24 |
| cubezzz3 | well the XOR patent is news to me | Jul 25 18:25 |
| cubezzz3 | interesting | Jul 25 18:26 |
| cubezzz3 | double wammie | Jul 25 18:27 |
| cubezzz3 | they were selling CD32's in Canada though | Jul 25 18:27 |
| cubezzz3 | and I'm sure in Europe | Jul 25 18:27 |
| cubezzz3 | I'd rather own a 1200 than a CD32 though | Jul 25 18:29 |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: its CEO is definitely chirpy | Jul 25 18:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc | Jul 25 18:32 |
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| WireWulf | schestowitz: no video :P | Jul 25 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Flash | Jul 25 18:33 |
| WireWulf | no X | Jul 25 18:33 |
| cubezzz3 | no X :) | Jul 25 18:33 |
| cubezzz3 | :-P | Jul 25 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Oh.. | Jul 25 18:33 |
| schestowitz | There's some tool which does mpeg->ascii | Jul 25 18:33 |
| cubezzz3 | WireWulf is channeling the 80's | Jul 25 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Then you need youtube-dl | Jul 25 18:33 |
| amarsh04 | mplayer has an ascii output option | Jul 25 18:34 |
| WireWulf | no framebuffer :P | Jul 25 18:34 |
| WireWulf | yet | Jul 25 18:34 |
| schestowitz | so just download from Youtube | Jul 25 18:34 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3 told me about the CLI tool for it iirc | Jul 25 18:34 |
| WireWulf | i am shopping for a good frambuffer :P | Jul 25 18:34 |
| schestowitz | There's a BOGOF | Jul 25 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Dual | Jul 25 18:36 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... | Jul 25 18:42 |
| schestowitz | If you google "gartner group", techirghts is in page 1 | Jul 25 18:42 |
| cubezzz3 | heh | Jul 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://twitter.com/yankeegroup | Jul 25 18:43 |
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| cubezzz3 | the 1200's are all gone :-( | Jul 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | GreyGeek is one of the few people who, well.. when I read that stuff I wish I had written it myself. :-) | Jul 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | He just gave me permission to quote him :-) | Jul 25 18:48 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: BOO!!!!!!!11 | Jul 25 18:48 |
| cubezzz3 | it's ebay or nothing now | Jul 25 18:49 |
| amarsh04 | cubezzz3, I felt that way trying to get a replacement soundblaster with on-board wavetable synth | Jul 25 18:49 |
| amarsh04 | fortunately a local dealer had an old audigy 2 zs for AUD$50 | Jul 25 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: MOO!!!!!!!!!!! | Jul 25 18:51 |
| WireWulf | welcome to mt.doom's pizza can i has your order | Jul 25 18:51 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: http://v.youku.com/index/y404/q/youtube+cows | Jul 25 19:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Kickbacks and Pressures on Dell: Lessons From #Intel http://ur1.ca/0u3ri The commonalities between #GNU #Linux and #AMD | Jul 25 19:21 | |
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| schestowitz | http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=4043 "Russian spies made themselves at home at Microsoft, among other U.S. institutions, and proved that an (arguably) open source disk encryption application is a tough nut to crack." | Jul 25 19:40 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I can pay double price if u give me mobile device which has - 'Ogg/webm ringtones, HTML5 browser, ODF/Pdf Reader, Linux/Android based' #cry | Jul 25 19:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/blog/wireless/articles/20100715/10300810229.shtml | Jul 25 19:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Nature of Science Blog Networks - http://bit.ly/aRNZWs the next science blogging network? "there won’t be one" says @cameronneylon | Jul 25 19:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Mass BitTorrent Lawsuits Now Target Private Trackers - http://bit.ly/9kH4hT raises more issues than you might expect - worth reading #p2p | Jul 25 19:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ian Tomlinson and Misconduct in Public Office - http://bit.ly/b25Arh now that's an interesting point #tomlinson | Jul 25 19:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Is this proprietary? http://www.dynamicbusiness.com.au/articles/articles-news/jentla-certified-endorsement-1813.html | Jul 25 20:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/07/22/super-heroes-vs-the-westboro-baptist-church/ | Jul 25 20:08 |
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| schestowitz | [via MinceR | Jul 25 20:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it makes more sense to believe in zombies than in resurrections | Jul 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Zombies don't dent laws of physics and biology as much | Jul 25 20:09 |
| schestowitz | *defy | Jul 25 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/muhammad/ | Jul 25 20:11 |
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| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 20:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fiercecio.com/techwatch/story/open-source-software-libraries-could-be-vulnerable-timing-hack/2010-07-16 | Jul 25 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | t-shift tagline: shirt to be beheaded in | Jul 25 20:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they made him look nice | Jul 25 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/wwjd-for-a-klondike-bar/ | Jul 25 20:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: T-Shirt Hell :: Shirts :: WWJD FOR A KLONDIKE BAR .::. Size~: 16.24 KB | Jul 25 20:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Glossy+Qaida+magazine+focuses+tips+politics/3293466/story.html | Jul 25 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | The CIA's investment in Afghan warriors is backfiring | Jul 25 20:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.drdobbs.com/blog/archives/2010/07/openjdk_open_so.html;jsessionid=2SJFKOOZOJ2DJQE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN | Jul 25 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | javafx too? | Jul 25 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/when-life-hands-you-high-fructose-corn-syrup-citric-acid-make-lemonade/ | Jul 25 20:20 |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 25 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/07/ipad-goes-under-the-gauntlet-at-universities-this-fall/ | Jul 25 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://channel.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=25577 "Intel has hired former Palm and Apple vice president Mike Bell to push its smartphone product development forward." | Jul 25 20:23 |
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| DaemonFC | carrying an iPad would sure beat lugging 40lbs of books and a laptop all over campus." | Jul 25 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | unless your ipad decides to delete all your books | Jul 25 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | or won't start up for whatever reason | Jul 25 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Classes can buy commodity ereaders | Jul 25 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Not 'premium' junk from Apple | Jul 25 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Maybe some private schools will buy some of the latter | Jul 25 20:24 |
| schestowitz | WHich means PARENTS pay for it | Jul 25 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's unlikely that anyone that age has that kin of money by themselves | Jul 25 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | *kind | Jul 25 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | "Here, we'll make you get a $500 Crapple e-reader, just lob it onto your student loans and pay interest on it" | Jul 25 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's where they're going with this | Jul 25 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | adding an Apple tax to your tuition | Jul 25 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | and detroying the used book market | Jul 25 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | which pisses publishers off | Jul 25 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | *destroying | Jul 25 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | publishers don't like it when they sell a copy once and 10 people get to use it | Jul 25 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | the ipad eliminates this "problem" | Jul 25 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | by making everyone buy a new copy at full price from them | Jul 25 20:28 |
| schestowitz | People buy second-hand books | Jul 25 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | right | Jul 25 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | but that's not possible with DRM | Jul 25 20:29 |
| schestowitz | And pupils can use Wikipedia and other knowledge that's not monopolised | Jul 25 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia is often wrong | Jul 25 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | the encyclopedia that anyone can vandalize! | Jul 25 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | not all bogus crap is as easy to spot as "penis penis penis!!!!" or page blanking | Jul 25 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | hey look, any company or government can come in and self-edit! | Jul 25 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | put in as much false information as they like! | Jul 25 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.billparish.com/20030420barronsoped.html | Jul 25 20:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Barron's Op Ed Piece .::. Size~: 9.34 KB | Jul 25 20:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: like in textbooks | Jul 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Many books are inaccurate | Jul 25 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | every article of significance on Wikipedia is written mainly by the organizations they're written about | Jul 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Many are propaganistic | Jul 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: or researchers in the field | Jul 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Pupils don't study firms | Jul 25 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Or commerce | Jul 25 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia is laughable | Jul 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | They study history and the likes of it | Jul 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: FAUX boy... | Jul 25 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | the quality of articles is not consistent | Jul 25 20:33 |
| WireWulf | wikipedia and its pedofiles make me laugh | Jul 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Pull your head out of Murdoch's rectum | Jul 25 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | things like typos and overtly "POV" statements are allowed to stand | Jul 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: the pedophiles was a smear | Jul 25 20:33 |
| schestowitz | It's a lie that came from FAUX/Murdoch | Jul 25 20:34 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz: no dought | Jul 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | They try to associate Wikipedia with crime | Jul 25 20:34 |
| WireWulf | yepperz | Jul 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch's eempire is dying | Jul 25 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia is largely written by liars and criminals | Jul 25 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | such as PR firms | Jul 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | His paywall is a major disaster in the UK (Times) | Jul 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Traffic down 90% | Jul 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: 60% of the 'news' is wortten by PR firms | Jul 25 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Or ghostwritten | Jul 25 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but was that unprofitable traffic? | Jul 25 20:35 |
| WireWulf | bbl | Jul 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Based on some recent Aussie study anyway | Jul 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I say, take Hicks' advice on PR people | Jul 25 20:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itpro.co.uk/blogs/2010/07/19/murdoch%25e2%2580%2599s-paywall-will-lose-in-the-end-just-like-proprietary-software/ | Jul 25 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Murdoch’s paywall will lose in the end, just like proprietary software | IT PRO blogs – the latest technology views and opinions .::. Size~: 35.55 KB | Jul 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch and his Minions | Jul 25 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | if you're throwing out people that don't make you any money and are costing you bandwidth and replacing them with 1/10th as many users, who are paying you | Jul 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Hannity, Beck... | Jul 25 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | aren't you still coming out ahead? | Jul 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Figures (albeit unofficial) released today claimed The Times’ website had lost two thirds of its readers since its paywall introduction, leaving just 15,000 clicking through. This was despite 150,000 registering for it when the trial was free. "" | Jul 25 20:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: money is not everything | Jul 25 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Stop being so brainwahsed | Jul 25 20:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] WikiPoke - Your Offline Wikipedia on Android phones - http://www.wikipock.com/product_wikipock_android.php just $10 #wikipedia #android | Jul 25 20:37 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Wikipedia for Android phone | WikiPock .::. Size~: 11.85 KB | Jul 25 20:37 |
| schestowitz | Or you'll die sad with a pile of coins on top of your body | Jul 25 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | making money is preferable to beign a "starving artist" | Jul 25 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Starving? | Jul 25 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | people have this idea that everything is supposed to be free while the outfit that made it had to pay people to produce it | Jul 25 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | we're all supposed to jsut dump our money out on freeloaders apparently | Jul 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Those 'outfits' are middlemen | Jul 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | The artists you pay when you go mainstream only gets a fraction | Jul 25 20:39 |
| schestowitz | It's the labels/recorders who make the money | Jul 25 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | "“The fact is, there isn’t enough advertising in the world to make all websites profitable. We’d rather have fewer people coming to our website, but paying.” | Jul 25 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | and he's right | Jul 25 20:40 |
| schestowitz | If you have money to spare on music, then pay the artist, not the businessmen exploiting him/her | Jul 25 20:40 |
| *WireWulf doesnt pay for music | Jul 25 20:40 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he's not a journalist | Jul 25 20:40 |
| schestowitz | He's no artist, either | Jul 25 20:40 |
| schestowitz | He's a greedy businessman with agenda | Jul 25 20:40 |
| *WireWulf has an agenda | Jul 25 20:41 | |
| schestowitz | His agenda is not the same as artists' | Jul 25 20:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @skr: A wiki for pay as you go SIM cards around the world, suitable for the iPhone & Android. Contributions welcome! http://t.co/3SloqCC | Jul 25 20:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Pay as you go sim with data Wiki .::. Size~: 43.5 KB | Jul 25 20:41 |
| schestowitz | He is irrelevant to the system, like patent troll | Jul 25 20:41 |
| schestowitz | He's a toll.. clogging up the system by hoarding derivatives from news | Jul 25 20:41 |
| WireWulf | mmhmmm | Jul 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Watch this crappy site; http://asterisk.tmcnet.com/topics/open-source/articles/92361-nmi-organizes-debate-open-source-models.htm | Jul 25 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: NMI Organizes Debate on Open Source Models .::. Size~: 72.5 KB | Jul 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | They add nothing | Jul 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | They pick press releases | Jul 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Then edit them a little | Jul 25 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Even with bad markup as in this case | Jul 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | And call themselves news | Jul 25 20:43 |
| schestowitz | It's PR, it's crap, and Google should block their nonsense out of "Google News" | Jul 25 20:43 |
| WireWulf | news is just ppl looking into a mic and lieing | Jul 25 20:43 |
| WireWulf | even "world news" "political news" "american news" | Jul 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ever done something creative? | Jul 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Besides taking screenshots | Jul 25 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I'd rather write my opinions and share them for free while lecturing for a living that's mere | Jul 25 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | I do things that benefit me | Jul 25 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | if they benefit others, that's a side effect | Jul 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Many people are caged in a job they absolutely hate | Jul 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | The compensation (wage) they receive they have little time to take advantage of | Jul 25 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | if they harm others, I may or may not particularly care | Jul 25 20:45 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: cause you're an ass | Jul 25 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | when they harm me, I will stop doing them | Jul 25 20:45 |
| *WireWulf 'urts DaemonFC | Jul 25 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | "will something think about the cats!" | Jul 25 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | I don't usually go outside of enlightened self-interest | Jul 25 20:46 |
| *schestowitz Warms up stew to go with the Jabba | Jul 25 20:46 | |
| DaemonFC | and most people don't | Jul 25 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | and if they say they do, it's part of an agenda | Jul 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | People can serve their interests without hurting others | Jul 25 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | not always | Jul 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | A farmer makes food for himself and feeds others too | Jul 25 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | no, he doesn't feed them | Jul 25 20:47 |
| schestowitz | A telemarketer harasses many people to pay his/her bill | Jul 25 20:47 |
| WireWulf | i never go out side of unenlightened hate mangering | Jul 25 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | he sells them their food and they eat it | Jul 25 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | and that's the only reason he does it | Jul 25 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | But it works OK for society at large | Jul 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | If one manufactures something of value | Jul 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Something that improves society in some ways | Jul 25 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | you're saying the farmer is a total bastard for asking a fair price for his wares? | Jul 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Few jobs actually do | Jul 25 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Take banking/lawyers for example | Jul 25 20:48 |
| WireWulf | banking produces noting | Jul 25 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | and that there are no other farmers with reasonable prices that will put him out of business when he gets too greedy | Jul 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: farmer sell a scarcity | Jul 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | They sell food that takes labour to grow | Jul 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | ANd people would pay for it | Jul 25 20:49 |
| WireWulf | lawyers bicker over what is really means | Jul 25 20:49 |
| schestowitz | banking/lawyers justify their own existence (making loans harder to get, making inflation, making lawsuits a lot more expensive, making legalese hard to read) | Jul 25 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | I think they have the right to charge for the times | Jul 25 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Some occupations are just created by those who want them created to justify their own creation... | Jul 25 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | just as you have the right to not pay for it | Jul 25 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | it will fail if it deserves to | Jul 25 20:50 |
| WireWulf | lawyers just twist a already twisted truth | Jul 25 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | and if enough people agree it's nothing special | Jul 25 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20010904-264.html | Jul 25 20:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Symbian deal paves way for Web-style apps | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 85.55 KB | Jul 25 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | the EU really has never had a lot of respect for freedom of association | Jul 25 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | so it comes naturally for them to have a planned economy like they do | Jul 25 20:51 |
| schestowitz | I actually agree with Gangster Group for a change: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/19/symbian_phonegap/ | Jul 25 20:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Symbian puts another deck chair on the Titanic • The Register .::. Size~: 29.52 KB | Jul 25 20:52 |
| WireWulf | planned how so ? | Jul 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | But this one any idiot could guess, even Nokia | Jul 25 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's not the Soviet Union, but it has a lot of the socialist planned economy ideals | Jul 25 20:52 |
| WireWulf | the EU is in the crapper | Jul 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | They want to sack their CEO | Jul 25 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: The EU fines companies for being successful | Jul 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: not really | Jul 25 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | stacks up inferior products | Jul 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | It's the US that's yroubled | Jul 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | *troubled | Jul 25 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | by forcing individuals to use those | Jul 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: UK -- yes | Jul 25 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Germany -- no | Jul 25 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | the EU manipulates the market and forces people to buy thigns they don't want | Jul 25 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Employment is low there and debt too | Jul 25 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | and pay taxes on things they don't use | Jul 25 20:53 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz: you so forget every major soruce of money is tied together | Jul 25 20:53 |
| WireWulf | america fails everybody feels it | Jul 25 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | unemployment is high in many EU countries | Jul 25 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_France | Jul 25 20:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Economy of France - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 117.92 KB | Jul 25 20:53 |
| WireWulf | many EU countries are at a state of civil unrest | Jul 25 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | the EU overall unemployment is 10%, by admission | Jul 25 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | and in France, it's 10.1% by government figures | Jul 25 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | you know it's higher | Jul 25 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | they use all the same tricks the US government does to mask the rest | Jul 25 20:54 |
| WireWulf | us is at 9.5ish by the lie | Jul 25 20:55 |
| WireWulf | but it is really 25.6-27.2 | Jul 25 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | right, so using all the same lying, we're about even with Europe's phony stats | Jul 25 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | you don't think they want their population to know how screwed they are do you? | Jul 25 20:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Preparing my first Audioboo podcast/shortcast /openbyte size article...For some of my material on Openbytes theres a change in format! | Jul 25 20:56 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: they use different definitions of unemployment | Jul 25 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | right, but they lie nonetheless | Jul 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | [20:55] <WireWulf> but it is really 25.6-27.2 | Jul 25 20:57 |
| WireWulf | DaemonFC: like american are told government money (high taxes) saves/makes jobs | Jul 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Jul 25 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | 10% is all they admit to | Jul 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | 10% of _what_? | Jul 25 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Unemployment of kids? | Jul 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | the US government doesn't count the 2 million people that lost their unemployment income last week as unemployed | Jul 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | for example | Jul 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Unemployment of over 70? | Jul 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | so our unemployment rate goes down 2 tenths of a percent | Jul 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Unemployment of one spouse? | Jul 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | College kid? | Jul 25 20:58 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz: i added up the jobless and -13.4% wellfair | Jul 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh look, the economy is improving!" | Jul 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | People who retire early? | Jul 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Looking/not looking | Jul 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Part time/casual? | Jul 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: That's underemployment | Jul 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | and that's another issue | Jul 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | There's lots to adjust there | Jul 25 20:58 |
| schestowitz | In the Great Depression they used different scales | Jul 25 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: The unemployment rate would be misleading even if the figures were honest | Jul 25 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | are the jobs out there at McDonalds or Microsoft? | Jul 25 20:59 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz: part time and too young/never worked are excluded in my math | Jul 25 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Some women work raising 5 kids | Jul 25 21:00 |
| WireWulf | M$ has nothing i alabama | Jul 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | From different daddies | Jul 25 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | when Microsoft fires 10,000 well paid employees and McDonalds hires 10,000 minimum wage slaves, the government figures that cancels out the jobs Microsoft ditched | Jul 25 21:00 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz: thats a leech | Jul 25 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | so the unemployment figure is unaltered | Jul 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, exactly! | Jul 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Or when Microsoft imports workers from abroad with their families | Jul 25 21:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.billparish.com/msftfraudfacts.html | Jul 25 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Financial Fraud Update .::. Size~: 39.9 KB | Jul 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | \"This is another pyramid impact. What IBM employees still don’t seem to realize is that their lost pension benefits are resulting from fraud at Microsoft. Microsoft is pilfering these cash balance plans into its pyramid scheme by overstating its earnings, thereby drawing a larger percent of the index based investment on the S&P 500 and correspondingly making it more difficult for companies like IBM to compete. This forces these | Jul 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | companies to cut back on real benefits in an effort to keep its earnings and stock price up. This was also clearly identified in the original study." | Jul 25 21:01 |
| WireWulf | atm 22% atleast of all americans want a source of income | Jul 25 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Donald Trump does too | Jul 25 21:02 |
| schestowitz | ".. not enough!| | Jul 25 21:02 |
| WireWulf | unions are loving the current joblessness tho | Jul 25 21:03 |
| WireWulf | they can find any dumbass to fell jobs | Jul 25 21:03 |
| WireWulf | and have a level of loyality beofre never seen | Jul 25 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Nice photo:, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10685669 | Jul 25 21:05 |
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| WireWulf | i love have canada has been pointing and luaghing at the USA | Jul 25 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | Canada is a parasite | Jul 25 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | and hypocritical | Jul 25 21:06 |
| WireWulf | forgetting that they are formore globly fucked thn the USA | Jul 25 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | they put out 400% more greenhouse gases than Saudi Arabia does to extract an equal volume of useful crude oil | Jul 25 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | you know that right? | Jul 25 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Canada is a huge polluter | Jul 25 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | those damned tar sands | Jul 25 21:07 |
| schestowitz | Small population | Jul 25 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | then they want the US to sign onto Kyoto | Jul 25 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | so we can't compete with them | Jul 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | They also need to do heating | Jul 25 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | fuck them | Jul 25 21:08 |
| WireWulf | canada says its non-aggressive stance makes it a better country | Jul 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | watch your language | Jul 25 21:08 |
| schestowitz | We don't allow it here | Jul 25 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | Canada is a huge polluter and they want other countries to take up their slack | Jul 25 21:08 |
| WireWulf | as no military = no hate of canada | Jul 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | and voluntarily commit suicide so that Canada can continue doing what they are doing | Jul 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | WireWulf: Canada is helping out with the Coalition of the Drilling | Jul 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | just like the UK is | Jul 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | they want their windfalls | Jul 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | but they point their fingers at the US while co-conspiring | Jul 25 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | don't wag your finger when you can't hide your share of the blame | Jul 25 21:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IPO asks US to remove patents from the scope of ACTA, text defines “intellectual property” broadly: http://ur1.ca/0u4a7 | Jul 25 21:10 | |
| DaemonFC | is a lesson they need to consider | Jul 25 21:10 |
| WireWulf | DaemonFC: yeah be on a simple point if say a strong UK navy attacked canada and the USA was not around what happens? | Jul 25 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | Canada has a military | Jul 25 21:10 |
| WireWulf | pffft | Jul 25 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's called the US military | Jul 25 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | they like to use us as human shields so they can take the moral high ground | Jul 25 21:11 |
| WireWulf | then they cry we are a facist military police state | Jul 25 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | yep | Jul 25 21:11 |
| WireWulf | mexxico mean weil attacks a=the USA econome | Jul 25 21:12 |
| schestowitz | 2021 some say the economy will recover http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMzIQIdp9Ek&feature=digest | Jul 25 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Lindsay Lohan Strips Down for Prison .::. Size~: 118.78 KB | Jul 25 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | Canada's entire armed forces would lose if pitted against the Indiana National Guard | Jul 25 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | their military is a sham | Jul 25 21:12 |
| WireWulf | Canada's military would die if pitted against the IRA or the Orange of ireland | Jul 25 21:13 |
| schestowitz | http://phillydtv.tumblr.com/post/834936503/two-us-police-officers-have-repeatedly-tasered-a | Jul 25 21:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Two US police officers have repeatedly tasered a... | Philip DeFranco Loves You .::. Size~: 82.61 KB | Jul 25 21:14 |
| WireWulf | us police officers are above the law exxcept in places that fought the cali born anti-tape act | Jul 25 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/163rd_Fighter_Squadron | Jul 25 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 163d Fighter Squadron - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 102.35 KB | Jul 25 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 25 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana has the A-10 | Jul 25 21:15 |
| WireWulf | mmm nice | Jul 25 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-10_Thunderbolt_II | Jul 25 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 191.56 KB | Jul 25 21:15 |
| WireWulf | the oldest plane the US army still uses | Jul 25 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GAU-8_Avenger | Jul 25 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: GAU-8 Avenger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 73.89 KB | Jul 25 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's a solid plane | Jul 25 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | and the main gun on it will shred any vehicle armor out there | Jul 25 21:16 |
| WireWulf | almost any | Jul 25 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | milk bottle sized rounds of depleted uranium | Jul 25 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | 4,200 rounds per minute | Jul 25 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't give good survival odds to any vehicle on the receiving end of that | Jul 25 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 21:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Two US police officers have repeatedly tasered a rural woman who called police to complain of a prowler outside." http://ur1.ca/0u4bk | Jul 25 21:18 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Two US police officers have repeatedly tasered a... | Philip DeFranco Loves You .::. Size~: 82.61 KB | Jul 25 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Glad to hear it | Jul 25 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | they're finally taking care of the neighborhood nibshit problem | Jul 25 21:19 |
| *WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-here | Jul 25 21:21 | |
| DaemonFC | you notice how they always edit out the part where the person getting tazed provoked the cop? | Jul 25 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | don't be an idiot and you'll be just fine | Jul 25 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | of course there's always some liberal group out there to edit out you punching the cop | Jul 25 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | but they always catch the part where you get tazed | Jul 25 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | odd isn't that? | Jul 25 21:22 |
| schestowitz | show me proof | Jul 25 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | ohh | Jul 25 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's from an Iranian "news" site | Jul 25 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | well, that's credible | Jul 25 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | click on "Source" | Jul 25 21:24 |
| cubezzz3 | got my old style vga switcher, w00t | Jul 25 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | and it leads back to the Iranian state-controlled "news" agency | Jul 25 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: zYou have any anti-US hit pieces from North Korea? | Jul 25 21:25 |
| *Wulf-is-not-here is now known as WireWulf | Jul 25 21:27 | |
| DaemonFC | apparently if you read real news sites, you'll find that she started it | Jul 25 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | she started out by being uncooperative even though SHE called THEM | Jul 25 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | then she become combative | Jul 25 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | I agree they should ditch the tasers though, straight sticks are so much nicer | Jul 25 21:28 |
| WireWulf | "dont taze me, bro" | Jul 25 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | she could have just had some broken bones instead of some singed hairs | Jul 25 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | if the liberals want to bitch, give them something to bitch about | Jul 25 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | is what I think | Jul 25 21:30 |
| WireWulf | liberal who hate the cops reasonal passed a measer that protect the cops, odd? | Jul 25 21:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Court Rules Bypassing Dongles Not a DMCA Violation - http://bit.ly/clSUuS doesn't the same logic apply to fair use too? #dmca #copyright | Jul 25 21:31 | |
| DaemonFC | those liberal groups like the ACLU only defend far left wing criminals | Jul 25 21:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Court Rules Bypassing Dongles Not a DMCA Violation .::. Size~: 79.9 KB | Jul 25 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | I've never heard of them standing up for anyone they didn't politically agree with | Jul 25 21:31 |
| WireWulf | a measer that keeps US citizens from video taping cops | Jul 25 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't agree with the ACLU, then you have no right to free speech | Jul 25 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | according to the ACLU | Jul 25 21:31 |
| WireWulf | if you are a CEO SCIU sxays it can come to your home and scare your family to death | Jul 25 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | "The owner's technological measure must protect the copyrighted material against an infringement of a right that the Copyright Act protects, not from mere use or viewing.' | Jul 25 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't that ruling therefore say that libdvdcss is legal in the US? | Jul 25 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | even if you bypass CSS, you still can't just rip the disc | Jul 25 21:33 |
| cubezzz3 | well you could :) | Jul 25 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | it usually has other DRM such as fake bad sectors | Jul 25 21:34 |
| WireWulf | always | Jul 25 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | unlocking the CSS only allows you to view content you have a license to use | Jul 25 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | so therefore the court has apaprently ruled things like libdvdcss do not violate the DMCA | Jul 25 21:34 |
| WireWulf | meh | Jul 25 21:35 |
| WireWulf | is against freedom tho | Jul 25 21:35 |
| WireWulf | we all live in a yellow sea of piss | Jul 25 21:38 |
| WireWulf | yellow sea of piss | Jul 25 21:38 |
| WireWulf | yellow sea of piss | Jul 25 21:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- Falsifying Phylogeny http://youtu.be/91UAzMNUDLU?a | Jul 25 21:41 | |
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| WireWulf | in america i have the right to freedom but not the means | Jul 25 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-child-death-20100725,0,939247.story?track=rss | Jul 25 21:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Boy's suicide reveals continued problems with L.A. County social services - latimes.com .::. Size~: 137.29 KB | Jul 25 21:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another climb up the charts for #peppermint ! 48 now on Distrowatch! Well done Peppermint team! http://peppermintos.com/ | Jul 25 21:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | the state fails again | Jul 25 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | liberals ftw! | Jul 25 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | he clearly shouldn't have said anything about being beaten | Jul 25 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | he should have told them he was gay and his mother didn't approve | Jul 25 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | then they would have gotten him out of the home :P | Jul 25 21:44 |
| WireWulf | he should have said him and his black boyfriend needed some money for ah house | Jul 25 21:45 |
| WireWulf | they diffently woulda gave it to 'em | Jul 25 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 25 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | then he could have invested in a drug dealing operation | Jul 25 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | while on food stamps and public housing | Jul 25 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | and pulling in disability money | Jul 25 21:48 |
| WireWulf | and been in UCB | Jul 25 21:50 |
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| schestowitz | WireWulf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9fGkYOTZ4A | Jul 25 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- I'm Tired, The Collapse has Begun .::. Size~: 118.42 KB | Jul 25 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/23/the-new-black-panther-story-light-on-facts-heavy-on-echo.html | Jul 25 21:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The New Black Panther Story: Light on Facts, Heavy on Echo - Newsweek .::. Size~: 46 KB | Jul 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I had some high hopes for the Mozilla platform years ago | Jul 25 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | and even started learning about XUL | Jul 25 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | then I saw how wickedly obese the platform actually was | Jul 25 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | and how it barely even ran with all the resources of a 550 Mhz CPU and 512 MB of RAM at its disposal | Jul 25 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | which was quite a lot in 1999 | Jul 25 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | for a web browser | Jul 25 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, computers got faster, but that's still no excuse for a morbidly obese software platform | Jul 25 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is not my favorite anything, but there's a lot of broken sites out there that need it | Jul 25 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | which is why I call it the new IE | Jul 25 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What is funny is that Netscape Navigator didn't really cost anything because the "shareware" never expired | Jul 25 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | you had to pay if you wanted official support for it, that was about it | Jul 25 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | it was basically distributed that way because businesses are freaks about buying support policies even for well behaved software that usually works right | Jul 25 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | plus it was a front to popularize their web server | Jul 25 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 25 22:05 |
| WireWulf | moo | Jul 25 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | aside from being proprietary, it's the same two-tier deal you get with Linux distributions | Jul 25 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva and Red Hat both gave up trying to sell boxed sets of Linux for money to home users as a core business | Jul 25 22:06 |
| WireWulf | yup | Jul 25 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's why Ubuntu is becoming bloatware with whorebars everywhere that's initially free of charge | Jul 25 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's a foot in the door deal | Jul 25 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's not really free, you'll just have to pay for the rest of the features after you become dependent on the way Ubuntu operates | Jul 25 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | or so goes the theory | Jul 25 22:08 |
| WireWulf | ubuntu is not a good linux distro anyway | Jul 25 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | I do like the fact that they're saying the client side software that hooks into the Fog Computing servers is GPL licensed FOSS | Jul 25 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | you notice that? | Jul 25 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's useless without Amazon's back end | Jul 25 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | yet the software you use as a client is technically "FOSS" | Jul 25 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | it kind of violates the spirit of the license you know | Jul 25 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | because it's FOSS that's being used to control the user | Jul 25 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | half this pair of handcuffs is FOSS | Jul 25 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | the other half chains you to Amazon's back end (under the Ubuntu One disguise) | Jul 25 22:10 |
| WireWulf | usucktoo? | Jul 25 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | I think Ubuntu as an open platform is dead | Jul 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWqWddushqw | Jul 25 22:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Sniper Shootout in Oakland : Police Negotiations Fail, Civil Unrest Begins in California .::. Size~: 119.65 KB | Jul 25 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Third world country.. | Jul 25 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | anything basing off of it is going with Debian now instead | Jul 25 22:11 |
| WireWulf | stream said its linux applet with hit ubuntu frist tho :( | Jul 25 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | and those users of those distros "were" effectively Ubuntu users | Jul 25 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's important when you consider that Linux Mint is consistently in the top 3 or 4 distros at Distrowatch | Jul 25 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | and is ditching Ubuntu | Jul 25 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | you know that means thousands less Ubuntu users | Jul 25 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | those users may not have directly helped Canonical's goals of whoring Ubuntu out | Jul 25 22:12 |
| WireWulf | crashbang or w/e ditch ubuntu | Jul 25 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | but since Mint is 100% compatible with Ubuntu debs, it makes Ubuntu a more attractive development target | Jul 25 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | if it means Ubuntu + Mint users can both use the same packaged software | Jul 25 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | throwing away all those Mint users makes Ubuntu slightly less of an appealing development platform | Jul 25 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | well, DEBs built for Ubuntu can sometimes work on Debian | Jul 25 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | but the two are not 100% compatible | Jul 25 22:14 |
| WireWulf | all debain .debs can work on ubuntu tho | Jul 25 22:14 |
| WireWulf | :P | Jul 25 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | so Ubuntu is causing their platform to fracture | Jul 25 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | which is not real smart | Jul 25 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | they should be fostering the fork distros | Jul 25 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | because those are Ubuntu flavors that cater to users otherwise not interested in Ubuntu | Jul 25 22:15 |
| schestowitz | You give everyone guns over there look what happens now | Jul 25 22:15 |
| schestowitz | It's chaos | Jul 25 22:15 |
| WireWulf | ufailtoo | Jul 25 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | nah, Mint will be better if they center on Debian | Jul 25 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | more stable especially | Jul 25 22:16 |
| WireWulf | i much like mircocore/tinycore over ubuntu | Jul 25 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | not subject to the insane packaging whims of Ubuntu | Jul 25 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | if you count Debian + all Debian based systems that are not Ubuntu, they probably still match or exceed the number of Ubuntu users | Jul 25 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | and Mint raises their user count yet more when they switch over | Jul 25 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | so suddenly, targeting Debian itself becomes more important | Jul 25 22:17 |
| WireWulf | DaemonFC: if you count all the slackware + slack based distro users you get more then M$-current windows | Jul 25 22:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 25/7/2010: #Wayfinder Set Free http://techrights.org/2010/07/25/wayfinder-set-free/ | Jul 25 22:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | WireWulf: I believe the reason Debian packages work on Ubuntu more than Ubuntu packages work on Debian is because Ubuntu's packages are always newer than the ones in Debian's Stable or Testing branch | Jul 25 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | so targeting Debian should be the thing to do | Jul 25 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | because then you probably get Ubuntu compatibility "for free" | Jul 25 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | without lots of extra work | Jul 25 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | but who knows how long that will be true for | Jul 25 22:19 |
| WireWulf | debian has its issues to | Jul 25 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | with Ubuntu pulling out core bits of Debian like Aptitude | Jul 25 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | to make room for more Mono | Jul 25 22:19 |
| WireWulf | the symlinking in debain is horrid | Jul 25 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 can't be installed on FAT64/exFAT | Jul 25 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | because of all the NTFS symlinks it uses | Jul 25 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | file system specific symlinks are the real devil | Jul 25 22:20 |
| WireWulf | true | Jul 25 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of cases where exFAT would be preferable to NTFS, but you can't use it | Jul 25 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | because Windows 7 is so tied down to NTFS | Jul 25 22:21 |
| WireWulf | but the symlinking in debian scared my mexxican core of xdesigners | Jul 25 22:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Afghan war logs: massive leak of secret files exposes hundreds of abuses http://bit.ly/9KJWfq | Jul 25 22:30 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Afghanistan war logs: Massive leak of secret files exposes truth of occupation | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 153.73 KB | Jul 25 22:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple resorts to #FUD tactics against #Linux -based phones that capitalise on Apple’s failures http://ur1.ca/0u4pp #motorola #android | Jul 25 22:38 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple Still Smears Linux Phones Using Blatant Lies, FUD | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.57 KB | Jul 25 22:38 |
| WireWulf | droid | Jul 25 22:43 |
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| MinceR | ironic, not so long ago they didn't even support symlinks, iirc | Jul 25 22:49 |
| cubezzz3 | file system specific symlinks? | Jul 25 22:55 |
| cubezzz3 | what other kind is there? | Jul 25 22:55 |
| WireWulf | symlinks to symlinks of symlinks | Jul 25 22:56 |
| WireWulf | <.< | Jul 25 22:56 |
| WireWulf | >.> | Jul 25 22:56 |
| WireWulf | cubezzz3: you can symlink you penus to your head and call yourself a dick headed sammon | Jul 25 22:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks' "war logs" are online. NYT: nyti.ms/dacIql Guardian: bit.ly/dlNzWx Der Spiegel: bit.ly/bpjIZk | Jul 25 22:57 | |
| cubezzz3 | I'd just avoid NTFS entirely | Jul 25 23:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,708314,00.html | Jul 25 23:04 |
| schestowitz | ooooooooooooouch | Jul 25 23:04 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Afghanistan Protocol: Explosive Leaks Provide Image of War from Those Fighting It - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International .::. Size~: 38.77 KB | Jul 25 23:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-57513-2.html | Jul 25 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Photo Gallery: 91,731 Documents, Five Serious Problems - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International .::. Size~: 15.69 KB | Jul 25 23:05 |
| MinceR | well, on real OS-es most filesystems support symlinks just fine | Jul 25 23:05 |
| schestowitz | WireWulf: iirc, you served them | Jul 25 23:05 |
| WireWulf | schestowitz: i have served a lot of ppl | Jul 25 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Microsoft supports NTFS symlinks but not exFAT symlinks | Jul 25 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose they could have extended FAT with symlink support | Jul 25 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | but they didn't | Jul 25 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | it would have made Windows 7 a lot faster on flash memory than NTFS is capable of being | Jul 25 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | but then they would have had to implement Alternate Datastreams, EFS compatibility, transparent compression, etc. | Jul 25 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | so there's things that each file system can give you that the other one can't | Jul 25 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | and so Windows 7 is still tied down to NTFS | Jul 25 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | I believe Alternate Data Streams is how Windows can tell that you got a fiel off the internet and knows to display that nag screen | Jul 25 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | that was by far the most annoying change in Windows XP SP2, for me anyway | Jul 25 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Of course I know where I got the thing from, LET ME OPEN IT DAMN YOU!!!" | Jul 25 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 23:14 |
| MinceR | all of m$'s filesystems ever are pathetic failures | Jul 25 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice if there was something you could do to disable alternate data streams on NTFS | Jul 25 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | so it would shut up about how files from the internet are dangerous, mmmk? :P | Jul 25 23:15 |
| cubezzz3 | MincR, FAT wasn't too bad | Jul 25 23:16 |
| cubezzz3 | there's FreeDos + FAT | Jul 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [23:15] <MinceR> all of m$'s filesystems ever are pathetic failures | Jul 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | "All of.." | Jul 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | You say it as though there are many | Jul 25 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure both are offended ;-) | Jul 25 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | various forms of FAT, various versions of the NTFS driver (no significant on disk changes since Windows 2000) | Jul 25 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | and the Fast File System from UNIX if you count Xenix | Jul 25 23:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 25 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | I find it hillarious that a new incarnations of the file system used on 5 1/4" disks is back to haunt owners of flash memory | Jul 25 23:18 |
| MinceR | cubezzz3: enjoy your 8.3 and no file permissions :> | Jul 25 23:18 |
| cubezzz3 | Xenix was licensed, but OK | Jul 25 23:18 |
| MinceR | and painful file size limits | Jul 25 23:18 |
| cubezzz3 | MinceR, I believe I mentioned FreeDos + BL3 dual boot? :) | Jul 25 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | FreeDOS supports Long File Names | Jul 25 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | FAT32 | Jul 25 23:19 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: well, it's their fault for not formatting their flash storage ext3 | Jul 25 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | and VFAT | Jul 25 23:19 |
| cubezzz3 | plus I wrote a number of dos programs, yes I'm porting to X | Jul 25 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | iirc | Jul 25 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: the flash memory in my BD player uses XFS | Jul 25 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 23:19 |
| cubezzz3 | I think MIcrosoft made a mistake dropping Xenix | Jul 25 23:20 |
| cubezzz3 | they could have covered all the bases | Jul 25 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | I think they made a mistake dropping DOS | Jul 25 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | and that's not sarcasm | Jul 25 23:20 |
| MinceR | they would be doomed all the same | Jul 25 23:20 |
| cubezzz3 | I sort of agree | Jul 25 23:20 |
| MinceR | those applications would be easy to port to a real unix | Jul 25 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | they could have rewritten it without most of the original limitations | Jul 25 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | and with a compatibility profile for original DOS | Jul 25 23:21 |
| MinceR | dos stopped being able to do what people want from a pc os long ago | Jul 25 23:21 |
| cubezzz3 | for some reason, the One Microsoft Way philosophy won out (at Microsoft at least) | Jul 25 23:21 |
| MinceR | rightly so | Jul 25 23:21 |
| MinceR | dos nis hardly even an os | Jul 25 23:21 |
| MinceR | s/nis?is/ | Jul 25 23:21 |
| cubezzz3 | old games, main reason why I use FreeDos | Jul 25 23:21 |
| MinceR | s/nis/is | Jul 25 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, DOOM betas referred to the engine as the DOOM Operating System | Jul 25 23:21 |
| MinceR | fuck | Jul 25 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | joking that they had to write their own OS on top of DOS | Jul 25 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 23:22 |
| MinceR | is that not what all DOS extenders are? :> | Jul 25 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | true | Jul 25 23:22 |
| MinceR | it's just that they switched to dos4gw later | Jul 25 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | you can patch most of DOS out of memory and take control of the hardware directly | Jul 25 23:22 |
| cubezzz3 | a similar thing happened on AmigaDOS 1.2,1.3 | Jul 25 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | that was probably the best and worst thing about DOS :D | Jul 25 23:22 |
| cubezzz3 | the game swaps out the OS or never loads it in the first place | Jul 25 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | powerful, but dangerous in the hands of a badly written program | Jul 25 23:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Intellectual Monopoly Owners Association Wants Patents Off #ACTA ; the Dangers of Monopoly Are Explained http://ur1.ca/0u4zg #swpats #ipo | Jul 25 23:23 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Intellectual Monopoly Owners Association Wants Patents Off ACTA and the Dangers of Monopoly Are Explained2 | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.82 KB | Jul 25 23:23 |
| cubezzz3 | good for single tasking at least | Jul 25 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | DOS can't do anything to protect itself from ebing patched over in memory | Jul 25 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | it would defeat all forms of DRM if Windows shared that behavior today | Jul 25 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Jul 25 23:23 |
| cubezzz3 | right, so we are back to BSD386 then :) | Jul 25 23:24 |
| cubezzz3 | no 32-bit protected memory | Jul 25 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | "because only those who write the code truly control the project." - Jamie Zawinski | Jul 25 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | so Canonical is really in control of little or nothing | Jul 25 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | in the grand scheme of the software stack they depend on | Jul 25 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | depending totally on other groups to write your software for you is not good business | Jul 25 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | they take an existing software stack, molest it on a very high level with things like PERL and Python | Jul 25 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | misconfigure settings | Jul 25 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | and call it Ubuntu | Jul 25 23:26 |
| cubezzz3 | you know Unix didn't have all those script languages | Jul 25 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | they have no for linus branches | Jul 25 23:27 |
| cubezzz3 | just awk :) | Jul 25 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | on their git repo | Jul 25 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | So I gave Dell not doing Ubuntu on the Dell UK website for now links this morning, but well this is good as well, first few comments starting with the second, nice and honest, instead of Ubuntu fan boy. http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/dell-ditching-ubuntu-machines-from.html | Jul 25 23:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell ditching Ubuntu machines from online store | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 64.16 KB | Jul 25 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/07/dell-ditching-ubuntu-machines-from.html | Jul 25 23:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell ditching Ubuntu machines from online store | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 64.16 KB | Jul 25 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | awk, awk, awk, walk the plank! awk!!! | Jul 25 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | *click* "What did the bird say!?" | Jul 25 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 25 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Johnny Depp ftw! | Jul 25 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | Dell recommends Microsoft Windows XP Professional...Dell Recommends Windows Vista Home Premium/Business...Dell recommends Windows 7 Home Premium/Professional....Ubuntu is safer than Windows..... | Jul 25 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | Steve Ballmer: *click* "What did Dell say!?" | Jul 25 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | Dell Recommends Windows 7 | Jul 25 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 23:30 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah but who buys from Dell? | Jul 25 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | People who think Dell are good | Jul 25 23:31 |
| cubezzz3 | I replace Dell laptop keyboards quite often | Jul 25 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | Oh? | Jul 25 23:32 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah for customers | Jul 25 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | I went with ZT Systems this time | Jul 25 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | small OEM | Jul 25 23:32 |
| cubezzz3 | with a windows license? | Jul 25 23:33 |
| MinceR | well, no wonder | Jul 25 23:34 |
| MinceR | since dell won't replace their keyboards, they think it' | Jul 25 23:34 |
| MinceR | s not covered by warranty | Jul 25 23:34 |
| MinceR | fuck dell | Jul 25 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I can use any edition of Windows 7 or Vista | Jul 25 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 25 23:34 |
| cubezzz3 | still looking for a Sun box | Jul 25 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | they have a SLIC 2.1 key in the BIOS and their OEM signing certificate from Vista is recognized by Windows 7 | Jul 25 23:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still Loses Billions of Dollars Online http://techrights.org/2010/07/25/online-drain-and-reply/ | Jul 25 23:35 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Still Loses Billions of Dollars Online | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.56 KB | Jul 25 23:35 |
| cubezzz3 | the people selling them on ebay don't seem very knowledgeable | Jul 25 23:35 |
| cubezzz3 | DaemonFC, thanks for the warning | Jul 25 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | SLIC key is just a hash that says it's a supported ACPI extension | Jul 25 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a hack | Jul 25 23:36 |
| *WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-here | Jul 25 23:36 | |
| DaemonFC | it makes no difference on running other operating systems | Jul 25 23:36 |
| cubezzz3 | sure, it means part of the laptop money goes to Microsoft | Jul 25 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | Konqueror appears to have not changed much at all in KDE 4.5 | Jul 25 23:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Cooperative-to-represent-Symbian-developers-1042053.html | Jul 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Foundation............... | Jul 25 23:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Cooperative to represent Symbian developers - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.54 KB | Jul 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Big word... like enterprise | Jul 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | For something simple | Jul 25 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Let's create the Techrights Foundation to serve Enterprise Information ;-) | Jul 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Speak to suits :-) | Jul 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Symbian Foundation | Jul 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | "Only companies can become Symbian Foundation members and therfore play a role in decision-making over future developments in the open source mobile operating system. " | Jul 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Symbian=Nokia | Jul 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | CodePlex=Microsoft | Jul 25 23:43 |
| schestowitz | OHA=Google | Jul 25 23:44 |
| schestowitz | "Alliance" | Jul 25 23:44 |
| MinceR | "Foundation" is slightly unsuitlike though | Jul 25 23:49 |
| schestowitz | "Apple has donated the source code of the groundbreaking graphics app............... from when I was 3" | Jul 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/21/apple_donates_macpaint_source/ | Jul 25 23:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 1984's MacPaint source code hits web • The Register .::. Size~: 28.29 KB | Jul 25 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Who says Apple doesn't contribute to FOSS? :-D | Jul 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I was 2 and learning how to walk back then | Jul 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Now I can maybe compile that pile of rubbish from the Messiah with jobs | Jul 25 23:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/20/yahoo_q2_earnings/ | Jul 25 23:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Yahoo! blames so-so revenues on 'sluggish' search • The Register .::. Size~: 29.33 KB | Jul 25 23:52 |
| schestowitz | ballmer doesn't give it to her | Jul 25 23:53 |
| schestowitz | [kickback that is] | Jul 25 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | oh so another drawing program comeing to Desktop Linux soon? | Jul 25 23:53 |
| schestowitz | "Nice of Bartz to take notice." | Jul 25 23:53 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: to replace the GIMP! | Jul 25 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Like lousy f-spot did | Jul 25 23:54 |
| MinceR | does it at least come with a retarded photoshopish gui? | Jul 25 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay's knees would buckle.... open source AAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDD Apple | Jul 25 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah F-Spot is indeed hardly a Gimp replacement | Jul 25 23:54 |
| *schestowitz takes cover from Asay drool | Jul 25 23:55 | |
| *MinceR gets the flamethrower | Jul 25 23:56 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I posted that the other day | Jul 25 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 25 23:56 |
| schestowitz | http://ww2.elitetele.com/telecom-news/symbian-foundation-and-nitobi-open-source-collaboration/17527 | Jul 25 23:58 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: SYMBIAN FOUNDATION AND NITOBI OPEN SOURCE COLLABORATION | UK Telecoms News | Phone System News | 08 Number News .::. Size~: 53.17 KB | Jul 25 23:58 |
| *MinceR wonders why they have to shout | Jul 25 23:58 | |
| schestowitz | It gets more attention | Jul 25 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: How old are you? 30? | Jul 25 23:59 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 25 23:59 |
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