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cubevectorwell there's Swfdec and Gnash for the adventrous onesJul 29 00:00
DaemonFCthen you break justin.tv and ustreamJul 29 00:01
cubevectoradventurousJul 29 00:01
DaemonFCand most flash video sitesJul 29 00:01
cubevectoryou want FOSS or not? that's the questionJul 29 00:01
DaemonFCif it doesn't work, the point is mootJul 29 00:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Study: #GNU #Linux Users Less Sympathetic Towards #Apple http://ur1.ca/0vc3u #hypepad #drm #microsoftJul 29 00:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Study: GNU/Linux Users Less Sympathetic Towards Apple | Techrights .::. Size~: 95.02 KBJul 29 00:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @webmink: Oracle shuts down its three PostgreSQL build farm servers without warning: http://icio.us/xwxdwoJul 29 00:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle shuts down open source test servers - Software - Technology - News - iTnews.com.au .::. Size~: 75.26 KBJul 29 00:08
cubevectorsimpler to simply avoid flashJul 29 00:09
tessier_Here's hoping that HTML5 will solve our video problemJul 29 00:10
tessier_Hopefully the porn sites really will adopt it. That would settle itJul 29 00:10
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cubevectortessier, just got AROS to run hosted under LinuxJul 29 00:12
cubevectorlet's see if the network stuff worksJul 29 00:12
DaemonFCgahJul 29 00:13
DaemonFCmy joints are all soreJul 29 00:13
DaemonFCdamned stormsJul 29 00:13
DaemonFCMandriva pushed out a few security updates todayJul 29 00:17
DaemonFCstill no Firefox 3.6.7 :PJul 29 00:17
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schestowitz[23:53] <tessier_> I haven't heard anything about killing commercial solaris though.Jul 29 00:19
schestowitzThey kill neitherJul 29 00:19
schestowitzThat's what they say anywayJul 29 00:19
DaemonFCI think Solaris is the next IRIXJul 29 00:28
DaemonFCit lives on as long as there are support contracts out thereJul 29 00:28
DaemonFChttp://omgsuse.com/Jul 29 00:29
DaemonFChehJul 29 00:29
TechrightsBotTitle: OMG! SUSE! | openSUSE news, app reviews, eye candy and opinion .::. Size~: 18.33 KBJul 29 00:29
DaemonFCBanshee has integrated Amazon MP3Jul 29 00:31
DaemonFCCanonical won't like thatJul 29 00:31
cubevectorLinux is far aheadJul 29 00:31
cubevectorAROS has a lot of catching up to do, Haiku is farther along tooJul 29 00:32
DaemonFChttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4118/4815435735_5a1b157105_b.jpgJul 29 00:32
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sebsebsebhttp://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2010-07-gnome-3.0-rescheduled.htmlJul 29 00:34
TechrightsBotTitle: GNOME 3.0 Rescheduled for March 2011 Release .::. Size~: 6.02 KBJul 29 00:34
sebsebsebhttp://www.gnome.org/press/releases/2010-07-gnome-3.0-rescheduled.htmlJul 29 00:34
TechrightsBotTitle: GNOME 3.0 Rescheduled for March 2011 Release .::. Size~: 6.02 KBJul 29 00:34
sebsebsebWell better to release when ready really I guess, its big important software at the end of the day.Jul 29 00:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] After a long day of traveling I am finally back home. Really worthwhile trip, lots of productive work done, but glad to be at home. :-)Jul 29 00:36
DaemonFChmmm, there's a Pulseaudio-aware Kmix for OpenSuseJul 29 00:39
DaemonFCin the factory repoJul 29 00:39
cubevectorno network for AROS yet :-/Jul 29 00:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] If you are near Limerick and like Ubuntu, check out the Ubuntu Hour Limerick - http://is.gd/dPAph #ubuntu #locoteamsJul 29 00:42
TechrightsBotTitle: Czajkowski  » Blog Archive   » Ubuntu Hour Limerick  .::. Size~: 16.16 KBJul 29 00:42
schestowitz"Oracle continues to display a page on its website for OpenSSO, though it has removed the free downloadable version of the product. The company has not made any announcements about future releases of the software, and did not respond to a request for comment."Jul 29 00:43
schestowitzhttp://news.techworld.com/security/3233347/open-source-startup-takes-over-opensso/?cmpid=sblxerrplantJul 29 00:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Open source startup takes over OpenSSO - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 109.52 KBJul 29 00:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Awesome to see the Ubuntu Getting Started guide in German - http://is.gd/dPAtt #ubuntuJul 29 00:43
schestowitzOpenSolaris can be picked up  by them tooJul 29 00:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04 now in German « all wrongs reserved .::. Size~: 19.3 KBJul 29 00:43
cubevectorI'll try the rtl8029 later, it's supportedJul 29 00:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Also folks, the videocast schedule returns from next week onwards http://is.gd/dPC5U http://is.gd/dPC6UJul 29 01:03
TechrightsBotTitle: At Home With Jono Bacon on USTREAM: Ramblings on community, Linux and technology from Jono Bacon.. Computers .::. Size~: 90 KBJul 29 01:03
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DaemonFCheh, Indiana University is mirroring OpenSuseJul 29 01:21
DaemonFCof course I think they mirror jsut about every Linux distributionJul 29 01:21
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DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ1NgJul 29 02:03
TechrightsBotTitle: [Phoronix] KDE SC 4.7 May Utilize OpenGL 3.x For Compositing .::. Size~: 17.84 KBJul 29 02:03
DaemonFCniceJul 29 02:03
DaemonFChmmmJul 29 02:06
DaemonFCOpenSuse has KDE 4.5 RC3 in FactoryJul 29 02:06
DaemonFCthat might make as much sense as kmix-pulse, provided that KDE 4.5 is sufficiently stableJul 29 02:06
neighborleeand we care why ;)Jul 29 02:08
DaemonFCjust thinking out loudJul 29 02:08
neighborleeopensuse<>novel,,no trustJul 29 02:08
neighborleefair enoughJul 29 02:08
neighborleeI did enjoy opensuse on some levels at one point  thoughJul 29 02:08
neighborleetheir one click is nice, no idea how good it isJul 29 02:09
DaemonFCIt looks like they're keeping up to pace latelyJul 29 02:09
DaemonFCwith various upstreamsJul 29 02:09
neighborleegood signJul 29 02:09
DaemonFCI tried using KDE factory in OpenSuse 11.1Jul 29 02:09
DaemonFCand blew up my whole systemJul 29 02:09
DaemonFC:DJul 29 02:10
DaemonFCI guess the biggest draw for me is that everything is built with GCC 4.5Jul 29 02:10
DaemonFCwhich is supposed to make certain things significantly fasterJul 29 02:10
neighborleefaster,more staBLE ?Jul 29 02:10
neighborleeI mean as in bothJul 29 02:11
DaemonFCFirefox had some regressions with 4.5, it got slowerJul 29 02:11
DaemonFCbut those are mainly a problem with FirefoxJul 29 02:11
DaemonFCnot GCCJul 29 02:11
neighborleeI dont doubt itJul 29 02:11
neighborleeI gave up some on ff, found it buggy'ishJul 29 02:11
DaemonFCI think OpenSuse is still building Firefox with GCC 4.4Jul 29 02:11
DaemonFCjust because of thatJul 29 02:11
DaemonFCMozilla is using 4.3.3 stillJul 29 02:12
DaemonFCin their trunk builds :PJul 29 02:12
neighborlee:)Jul 29 02:12
neighborleeyeah well newish gcc builds I guess would be a tad radioactive ;)Jul 29 02:12
DaemonFCthe scary thing about Firefox from Mozilla is that it's not built with stack protectionJul 29 02:13
DaemonFCso 0-days that depend on stack corruption will succeed in Mozilla's FirefoxJul 29 02:13
neighborleewhy I wonder,< as if I know anything about that, but still im curious>Jul 29 02:13
DaemonFCbut will simply crash Firefox included in most distrosJul 29 02:13
DaemonFCso it's a strong argument for using distro Firefox if you visit some dodgy sites :PJul 29 02:13
neighborleehehJul 29 02:14
neighborleeI use opera and chrome usualllyJul 29 02:14
neighborleenot that Im entirely happy with Either ;0Jul 29 02:14
DaemonFCOpera has gotten a lot better about detecting attack sitesJul 29 02:14
DaemonFCFirefox isn't so good at thatJul 29 02:14
DaemonFClots of false positivesJul 29 02:14
neighborleeI do like opera mail though..its not bad at all..I tried thunderbird and man its slllllow to respond deleting emailsJul 29 02:14
DaemonFCGoogle Safe Browsing sucks, franklyJul 29 02:14
DaemonFCif your site is clean and links to another site that's clean, which has a link somewhere on it to an attack site, Google may flag your site as an attack siteJul 29 02:15
DaemonFCeven though there's nothing wrong with itJul 29 02:15
neighborleeyeahJul 29 02:15
neighborleeguilty by association LOLJul 29 02:15
DaemonFCnoJul 29 02:16
DaemonFCguilt by associated associationJul 29 02:16
DaemonFCB-)Jul 29 02:17
DaemonFCso Opera warns you less because it doesn't warn about sites that are harmless that link to another harmless site that links to an actual attack siteJul 29 02:17
DaemonFC:PJul 29 02:17
DaemonFCbut if you try to visit the attack site itself, the alarms go off :)Jul 29 02:18
DaemonFCwhich is a better approach imoJul 29 02:18
DaemonFCFirefox's warnings tend to become like Windows UACJul 29 02:18
DaemonFCyou get so used to smacking the go away button, that when you're really in danger, muscle memory makes you slap the "Proceed anyway" thingJul 29 02:19
DaemonFCand you end up on the actual malicious siteJul 29 02:19
DaemonFCor so goes the theory :DJul 29 02:19
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DaemonFC"Are you sure?" prompts should be limited to only the most dangerous actions or on actual malicious behaviorJul 29 02:20
DaemonFCnot "OMG, the user just copied a file!!!! ZOMG!!! Are you SURE!?!?!?"Jul 29 02:20
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 02:20
cubezzz3I don't think I've seen any malacious sites in agesJul 29 02:20
DaemonFCreally, the OS should be able to tell what tried to copy the file, and if copying it to that location poses a threatJul 29 02:21
DaemonFCif you think about it, package managers on Linux have spoiled peopleJul 29 02:21
DaemonFCif you had to deal with /opt every day, then UAC seems like a bed of rosesJul 29 02:21
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 02:21
cubezzz3I only use package managers some of the timeJul 29 02:22
DaemonFCbrbJul 29 02:22
cubezzz3fc1 obviously not, and anything older :)Jul 29 02:22
cubezzz3vector, yeahJul 29 02:22
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cubezzz3you know I could swap ethernet cards, then I could maybe run AROS with networkingJul 29 02:23
cubezzz3AROS dual boot with Vector maybeJul 29 02:23
cubezzz3oh and a slide scanner that works on Linux would be nice :)Jul 29 02:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @pleia2: RT @czajkowski Why NASA uses Open Source http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/07/why-nasa-uses-open-source-and.htmlJul 29 03:35
TechrightsBotTitle:     Why NASA uses Open Source  - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 110.41 KBJul 29 03:35
neighborleecubezzz3: in denial much ? ;)<hardware that works in linux, consider it a gift> ;)Jul 29 03:51
cubevectorthere was a part that workedJul 29 03:52
cubevectorbut major $$$Jul 29 03:52
neighborleecubezzz3: Not that windows doesn't have its share of goofups, but vendors specifically target that OS for good reason and I can't even tell yo how much headaches ive had in linux over years for such reasons.Jul 29 03:52
cubevectorslide scanner is the only thing I never had for LinuxJul 29 03:52
neighborleethough I usually 'try' to buy OS neutral hardware ;)Jul 29 03:52
neighborleewhats a slide scanner anywayJul 29 03:53
cubevectorscanner for kodachrome slidesJul 29 03:53
neighborleeah yesJul 29 03:53
neighborleeI wonderedJul 29 03:53
neighborleesounds kewlJul 29 03:53
cubevectorthe problem was the switch away from SCL in around 2000Jul 29 03:53
neighborleeyeahJul 29 03:53
cubevectorfor HP anyways, I talked to them about it many timesJul 29 03:53
neighborleeI tend to be very comy with HP /linuxJul 29 03:54
cubevectorHP kind of sucks now thoughJul 29 03:54
cubevectorold HP was greatJul 29 03:54
neighborleemy sccanner all in one is HP works great in linux usually..but sometimes its a major headache,,and thats a 'good' vendor ;)Jul 29 03:54
cubevectorI'd probaby need to reverse engineer the commands :-/Jul 29 03:55
neighborleethe BEST experience ive h ad is latley in win7..win7 'fax and scan' utility is wonderful I must admit..works out of box perfectly Jul 29 03:55
cubevectorwin7 is out of the question :)Jul 29 03:55
cubevectorbesides, I'm not a professional slide scanner guy :)Jul 29 03:55
neighborleewell it does have backwards compat issues most certainlyJul 29 03:55
neighborleehehe icJul 29 03:55
cubevectorI just want to scan a couple hundred slides once, then perhaps never againJul 29 03:56
neighborleeim SO grateful for vmware player.if not that id be in a nasty positionJul 29 03:56
neighborleeyup gotchaJul 29 03:56
cubevectorok, got to switch the monitor back to cubezzz3, just a secJul 29 03:56
neighborleekkJul 29 03:56
cubevectorPITA :)Jul 29 03:56
neighborlee:)(Jul 29 03:56
cubezzz3thereJul 29 03:57
cubezzz3I should just buy another LCDJul 29 03:57
cubezzz3vector kind of let me down thereJul 29 03:57
cubezzz3just could not ssh -X and use X programsJul 29 03:58
cubezzz3and guess what? I'm using the scanner :)Jul 29 03:58
cubezzz3not for slides though, fortunatelyJul 29 03:59
neighborleehmJul 29 03:59
cubezzz3no, I'm quite militant about not using MicrosoftJul 29 03:59
neighborleepfftJul 29 03:59
neighborleeno need to explainJul 29 04:00
cubezzz3hehJul 29 04:00
neighborleeI totally get that..and respect it.Jul 29 04:00
neighborleeI just have zero choice atm, for varoius reasons ;)Jul 29 04:00
cubezzz3oh, I _will_ get a slide scanner for linux Jul 29 04:00
neighborleeI think society is missing a huge opportunity by  being capitalistic pigs, so your talking to someone who loves OSS ;))hehJul 29 04:01
cubezzz3I just need an older HP adapter, they are hard to come byJul 29 04:01
neighborleekewl I wish you luck on that then ;0-0Jul 29 04:01
neighborleeah yesJul 29 04:01
cubezzz3capitalistic is fine thoughJul 29 04:01
cubezzz3I want money too :)Jul 29 04:01
neighborleeIt creates barriers , where none should beJul 29 04:01
neighborleeonly because we live in that kind of world..;)Jul 29 04:01
neighborleeits called survival :)Jul 29 04:02
cubezzz3I just dont want to give money to predatory billionaires Jul 29 04:02
neighborleemy point in case :)Jul 29 04:02
cubezzz3and FOSS is greatJul 29 04:02
neighborleeindeedJul 29 04:02
cubezzz3I even use Linux at workJul 29 04:02
neighborleesome are lucky to yes ;)Jul 29 04:02
neighborleeIT ?Jul 29 04:02
cubezzz3contracts, archiving, programming...Jul 29 04:03
neighborleeah yesJul 29 04:03
cubezzz3i guess that's ITJul 29 04:03
neighborleeall I know is its about time ubuntu gave up on mono...I just hope they are serious enough to get it ALL removed ;)Jul 29 04:04
cubezzz3I wrote my own scanner program, but it's kind of hard to scan without any preview windowJul 29 04:04
neighborleeim still in a 'non trust' mode with them..so ill prob. continue to   consider BSD where qt is used and no mono exists ;)Jul 29 04:04
neighborleetrue thatJul 29 04:05
neighborleevery hard ;)Jul 29 04:05
neighborleelots of trial/error >time ;)Jul 29 04:05
cubezzz3I could scan the whole area, then ftp the whole thing back, then edit itJul 29 04:05
cubezzz3or just buy another LCDJul 29 04:05
neighborleeheh ,,cheaper cost if you factor in lost time ;)Jul 29 04:05
neighborleeespeically given , smaller LCD's < even some larger ones> are real cheap now Jul 29 04:06
amarsh04cubezzz3, I never found a SIM card reader supported under GNU/LinuxJul 29 04:06
cubezzz3I didn't think ssh -X would give me so much troubleJul 29 04:06
neighborleegive possible rise of  er,,,3D! lolJul 29 04:06
cubezzz3nahJul 29 04:06
amarsh04I had one that cost me AUD$2 that worked under Win98SEJul 29 04:06
cubezzz3it's all fake 3d anywaysJul 29 04:06
neighborleewoahJul 29 04:06
neighborleecubezzz3: yupJul 29 04:06
neighborleeI want holodecks ;))hehJul 29 04:07
neighborleedont want much..really...:)haJul 29 04:07
cubezzz3SIM card reader amarsh04?Jul 29 04:07
cubezzz3eprom programmer is another sticky oneJul 29 04:07
amarsh04yes, SIM as in Subscriber Identity Module, the smartcard that goes in your GSM handsetJul 29 04:08
cubezzz3oh, okJul 29 04:08
cubezzz3never had to use one of thoseJul 29 04:08
amarsh04I can connect my current GSM handset to the pc via an expensive cable and use Wammu/Gammu to read most data from it, but reading the card directly would also be goodJul 29 04:09
cubezzz3ssh -X is a touchy thingJul 29 04:12
cubezzz3two Linuxes the same, no problemJul 29 04:12
cubezzz3but in the lab here, I have 5 different LinuxesJul 29 04:12
cubezzz3test for 2.2, 2.4, 2.6Jul 29 04:13
cubezzz3I've found Linux is usually pretty good for driversJul 29 04:14
cubezzz3compare it to something more obscure like AROS sometimeJul 29 04:15
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DaemonFChmmmJul 29 04:40
DaemonFCSuse 11.3 is fastJul 29 04:41
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neighborleecubezzz3: sounds scaryJul 29 04:45
DaemonFCreal fastJul 29 04:46
DaemonFCwowJul 29 04:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Reject UltraViolet DRM http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ultraviolet #defectivebydesignJul 29 06:48
TechrightsBotTitle: Reject UltraViolet DRM | DefectiveByDesign.org .::. Size~: 17.34 KBJul 29 06:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Reject UltraViolet DRM http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ultraviolet #defectivebydesignJul 29 07:24
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schestowitzhttp://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/25/android-ported-to-pc-and-not-in-an-emulator-modders-get-android-running-on-pc-world-wonders-why/Jul 29 07:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Android Ported To PC, And Not In An Emulator [Modders Get Android Running On PC, World Wonders Why] » TFTS  Technology, Gadgets & Curiosities  .::. Size~: 30.32 KBJul 29 07:26
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/26/ibm_solaris10_x64_dead/Jul 29 07:28
TechrightsBotTitle: IBM splits with Solaris 10 on x64 • The Register .::. Size~: 31.48 KBJul 29 07:28
schestowitz"IBM will soon cease to sell Solaris 10 on x64 machines."Jul 29 07:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @nsisodiya Reject UltraViolent DRM http://www.defectivebydesign.org/ultraviolet #defectivebydesignJul 29 07:36
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tessier_IBM sells Solaris?Jul 29 07:48
tessier_That's odd.Jul 29 07:48
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/16596/the_most_popular_web_server_linux_is "in July 2010, "For the first time, CentOS is now leading the Linux distribution statistics on web servers with almost 30% of all Linux servers." "Jul 29 07:48
TechrightsBotTitle: The most popular Linux for Web servers is ... - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 67.57 KBJul 29 07:48
schestowitztessier_: I think they started selling them some years backJul 29 07:49
schestowitztessier_: your site (.org) is now named after DRM :-)Jul 29 07:49
tessier_Yeay. :(Jul 29 07:49
tessier_Fortunately the U2 song will probably always be more popular than some DRM scheme.Jul 29 07:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Makes Custom Web Typography Ridiculously Easy - http://bit.ly/9vhnyy "All the fonts in Google’s library are open source" #fontsJul 29 07:50
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cubevectorwow, it's actually possible to get rochester 8.1Jul 29 08:05
cubevector83 miles awayJul 29 08:05
cubevectorhehJul 29 08:06
schestowitzwhat's that?Jul 29 08:06
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RochesterJul 29 08:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Rochester - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 27.86 KBJul 29 08:07
schestowitzNo computer type..Jul 29 08:07
cubevectortv station schestowitz Jul 29 08:07
schestowitzI see...Jul 29 08:07
cubevectorat the extreme range of the antennaJul 29 08:07
cubevectorusually over 80 miles you don't get a strong enough signalJul 29 08:08
cubevectorall television signals are directional, and there's a site http://tvfool.com where you can put your location in and it plots out all the possible channels you can receiveJul 29 08:10
cubevectorAzimuth, NM, Power...Jul 29 08:11
schestowitzhttp://www.tweaktown.com/news/16165/149_android_tablet_coming_to_k_mart/Jul 29 08:11
TechrightsBotTitle: $149 Android Tablet coming to......K-Mart? :: TweakTown USA Edition .::. Size~: 36.54 KBJul 29 08:11
schestowitzWhy do some sites assume that hypePad 'invented' tablets? http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/07/27/augen.gentouch78.takes.on.apple.through.price/Jul 29 08:12
TechrightsBotTitle: iPad gets odd rival in $150 Android tablet at Kmart | Electronista .::. Size~: 81.49 KBJul 29 08:12
schestowitzcubevector: but you can get anything you want (HD even) from YouTubeJul 29 08:13
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schestowitzUnless you have bandwidth limitationsJul 29 08:13
cubevectorhmmm? not reallyJul 29 08:13
schestowitzIt's 2am, ryanJul 29 08:13
schestowitzYou ought to be asleepJul 29 08:13
cubevectorit's 3am here :)Jul 29 08:13
DaemonFC3 AM hereJul 29 08:13
cubevectorschestowitz, my computer's too slow for hd on youtubeJul 29 08:14
*schestowitz checks mapJul 29 08:14
cubevectorway too slowJul 29 08:14
cubevectorbesides, hdtv on antenna is quite goodJul 29 08:14
schestowitzIndiana is ETJul 29 08:14
schestowitzcubevector: you can't choose what to watchJul 29 08:15
schestowitzYou are constantly being sent messages by whoever does the broadcastingJul 29 08:15
DaemonFChttp://it.slashdot.org/story/10/07/28/2121259/Oracles-Java-Company-Change-Breaks-EclipseJul 29 08:15
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot IT Story | Oracle's Java Company Change Breaks Eclipse .::. Size~: 147.62 KBJul 29 08:15
DaemonFCheheJul 29 08:15
cubevectoryoutube has ads tooJul 29 08:15
cubevectorin fact, some of them are mine :)Jul 29 08:15
cubevectordon't make very much thoughJul 29 08:16
cubevectormy bandwidth is a bit limited Jul 29 08:16
cubevectorI'm lucky if I got 500kpsJul 29 08:17
schestowitzYou make demos?Jul 29 08:17
cubevectoryesJul 29 08:17
cubevectoron the other side of the coin, I have total freedom on how I use the bandwidthJul 29 08:17
cubevectordefinitely need to make a Linux video some dayJul 29 08:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Oracle shuts down open source test servers - http://bit.ly/a8qMM2 could it be trying to tell us something? #oracle #postgresql #opensourceJul 29 08:24
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cubevectorthere's AX.25, worth looking into Jul 29 08:24
cubevectorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AX.25Jul 29 08:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Passwords in the wild, part II: failures in the market - http://bit.ly/cXImDJ "This is a classic negative externality". more bad newsJul 29 08:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Can Man Who Found Long Lost Ansel Adams Glass Negatives Sell Prints? - http://bit.ly/cqD2Jf what a risible mess #copyright #photographyJul 29 08:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open source installer offered for Plug Computer - http://bit.ly/c2Zr9J "simplifying software deployment on Linux-based Plug Computer"Jul 29 08:33
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/VBgjT/Jul 29 08:34
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cubevectorlol, I type in "non x86 motherboard" and google returns no resultsJul 29 08:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Jailbreaking Decision Is Temporary Relief - http://bit.ly/czPqlW good points and nice literary references #dmca #actaJul 29 08:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Shift to Open Source Could Save Trillions, Govt Claims - http://bit.ly/cN0oFh rupiahs, that is... (via @caostheory) #indonesia #opensourceJul 29 08:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Finnish ISPs to Warn Pirating Customers - http://bit.ly/9vsfa5 “problem is that there are no repercussions with this model", not a bug...Jul 29 08:43
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/lA4dA/Jul 29 08:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Just two Chinese ISPs serve 20% of world broadband users - http://bit.ly/9ATH7S indicative or what? #china #internetJul 29 08:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Web has never been as exciting! - http://bit.ly/c2CNxU I agree; useful to be reminded of this fact #openwebJul 29 08:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 29/7/2010: #GNOME Census, Sales of #Android Gear Almost Quadruple http://techrights.org/2010/07/29/gnome-census/Jul 29 09:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] legislation.gov.uk - http://bit.ly/aPe1f7 UK legislation from 1267...amazing and wonderful (via @Rchards) #law #opencontentJul 29 09:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Freedom in Phones Under a Regime of Software Patents, DRM Jail, and Other Forms of Malice http://ur1.ca/0vfv2 #limo #android #meego #swpatsJul 29 09:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] Feverish... With cough and body acheJul 29 09:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @pranesh_prakash: Privacy and the Indian Constitution: A Case Study of Encryption http://ff.im/-osQIAJul 29 09:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Slashdot Struggles to Remain Relevant in The Social Web - http://bit.ly/9Gl1ga a sign o' the times #slashdot #socialnwJul 29 10:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Lumigon to Launch Android Handset In Time For Halloween - http://bit.ly/d5VO8X yet another interesting design #androidJul 29 10:08
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MinceRj0h0h0Jul 29 10:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Politician Profiles: Senator Kate Lundy - http://bit.ly/bEq8j9 useful interview with key player in #opengov world (via @piawaugh ) #auJul 29 10:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] US: Copyright of Sound Recordings of World War I Music - http://bit.ly/a7PLKc more copyright absurdities #recordings #copyrightJul 29 10:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Wetlands Front Group Funded By Big Oil Wants To Ensure Taxpayers Foot The Bill For BP's Gulf Destruction - http://bit.ly/b7VNZ7 so cynicalJul 29 10:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Brendan DeMelle | Wetlands Front Group Funded By Big Oil Wants To Ensure Taxpayers Foot The Bill For BP's Gulf Destruction .::. Size~: 45.96 KBJul 29 10:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Patent Trolling Doesn’t Pay: Intellectual Ventures Shows A Negative 73 Percent Return - http://tcrn.ch/d3nCUV important if generally trueJul 29 10:46
TechrightsBotTitle:   Patent Trolling Doesnt Pay: Intellectual Ventures Shows A Negative 73 Percent Return  .::. Size~: 61.81 KBJul 29 10:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A Novel Approach: Free Books For Donations - http://n.pr/cyuVk1 "readers have donated more than $142,000 to charity" nice #publishingJul 29 10:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Here's Why Google's Paywall Will Work (And The Times' Will Fail) - http://bit.ly/90jQyp good point #paywalls #google #timesJul 29 10:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Guest Post: Here's Why Google's Paywall Will Work (And The Times' Will Fail) - SVW .::. Size~: 100.48 KBJul 29 10:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Russian subs dive deep for new energy sources - http://bit.ly/9uUB7H this does not bode well #baikal #pollution #energyJul 29 11:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Nuclear Energy Now More Expensive Than Solar - http://bit.ly/ds7Ayr if true, then nuclear energy effectively dead? #energyJul 29 11:19
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot Hardware Story | Nuclear Energy Now More Expensive Than Solar .::. Size~: 95.21 KBJul 29 11:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Corruption & Calamity: Limiting Ethical Journalism in Mexico and Central America - http://bit.ly/9P4i8z sounds tough (via @ernestpriego)Jul 29 11:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Corruption & Calamity:  Limiting Ethical Journalism in Mexicoand Central America .::. Size~: 74.04 KBJul 29 11:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Four Journalists Kidnapped in #Mexico - http://bit.ly/acVhQV another consequence of the unwinnable "war on drugs": drop it now #drugsJul 29 11:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] 'gst-launch' is like jQuery for Desktop for multimedia http://bit.ly/c9fkKa http://bit.ly/aWgBXD #hackingJul 29 12:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 10 years on: free software wins, but you have nowhere to install it - http://bit.ly/9rFwG9 a reall threat that needs addressing #androidJul 29 12:54
mikeychey roy, gym?Jul 29 12:54
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mikeycRoy Chestofdrawers, are we going Gym?Jul 29 12:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ID card astroturf - No2ID beats the truth out of IPS - http://bit.ly/b6Q5Gr just because it's ancient history doesn't mean we shouldn't mockJul 29 12:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] DfT 'unwittingly' bigged-up speed camera benefits - http://bit.ly/dsUCMo oh, yeah, right... #speedcameras #ukJul 29 13:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @anivar @pranesh_prakash Nehaluddin Ahmad writes about privacy but uses an E-mail in Yahoo! (which unmasks bloggers who end up in .cn jail)Jul 29 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Slashdot Struggles to Remain Relevant in The Social Web - http://bit.ly/9Gl1ga > mirrors my experienceJul 29 13:18
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schestowitzExcellent Skeptoid episode: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4216Jul 29 13:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz so, which are the best sites for driving traffic to you?Jul 29 13:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody there's nothing like subscribers (full RSS feed)Jul 29 13:24
schestowitz> Which one of the characters in The Big Bang Theory reminds you of you ?Jul 29 13:24
schestowitz> Jul 29 13:25
schestowitz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Big_Bang_TheoryJul 29 13:25
schestowitzDon't know. Any clue?Jul 29 13:25
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schestowitzOpenSUSE community manager: "@schestowitz something we must work on within Novell..."http://identi.ca/conversation/43933115#notice-44327686Jul 29 13:26
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schestowitzme: "@jospoortvliet I try to look at SuSE and Novell separately"Jul 29 13:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz loyalty is goodJul 29 13:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ATM Hack Gives Cash On Demand - http://bit.ly/bOp2XX *Windows CE*-based ATMs? why not just leave the notes out in the open? #securityJul 29 13:28
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schestowitz"@jospoortvliet the main issue is that Novell left #OpenSUSE in a situation where users are not allowed to use #SuSE commercially (2006 deal)"Jul 29 13:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @glynmoody: ATM Hack Gives Cash On Demand - http://bit.ly/bOp2XX *Windows CE*-based ATMs? why not just leave the notes out in the open?Jul 29 13:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Wetlands Front Group Funded By Big Oil Wants To Ensure Taxpayers Foot The Bill For BP's Gulf Destruction http://bit.ly/b7VNZ7Jul 29 13:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody What I found is, since I started blogging 6 years ago, people comment less and use RSS a lot more, over time (not just us geeks)Jul 29 13:39
schestowitz >> maybe all of them, apart from the chick ...Jul 29 13:39
schestowitz>> I'd have to watch it.Jul 29 13:39
schestowitz> Jul 29 13:40
schestowitz> it's online but I can't watch it here cause of the firewall, I need aJul 29 13:40
schestowitz> VPN proxy. Do you know anyone who can set up squid and allow me toJul 29 13:40
schestowitz> connect through their network ?Jul 29 13:40
schestowitzDoes anyone have a proxy?Jul 29 13:40
schestowitzNot for me, for a friend...Jul 29 13:40
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/proxy/Jul 29 13:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz I wonder whether Twitter/identi.ca has taken over the commenting function...Jul 29 13:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody E-mail too. 2 days ago I thought about announcing that I quit E-mail (except for formal things/registering with sites) #knuthJul 29 13:55
schestowitzIt's easier to check replies in identicaJul 29 13:55
schestowitzE-mail notificationsaJul 29 13:56
schestowitzBlog comments suckJul 29 13:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I have just reduced the number of IRC channels I'm perpetually in to 3 (used to be over 12).Jul 29 14:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Re-inventing Publishing for the Digital Age - http://bit.ly/bZ6wK9 dealing with that tricky digital #abundance #publishing #ccJul 29 14:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz I think email has its place, but that's certainly changed in the 20 years I've been using it...Jul 29 14:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Bash Script for file increment logic http://post.ly/pJG6Jul 29 14:17
TechrightsBotTitle:         Bash Script for file increment logic - LUG@IITD Community Blog     .::. Size~: 27.42 KBJul 29 14:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] YouTube to increase upload limit from 10 to 15 minutes - http://bit.ly/bo4u4Q significant, because it won't stop there... #youtube #videoJul 29 14:19
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josephhave you guys seen this?Jul 29 14:21
josephhttp://gregdekspeaks.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/red-hat-16-canonical-1/Jul 29 14:22
TechrightsBotTitle: Red Hat, 16%.  Canonical, 1%. «  Greg DeKoenigsberg Speaks .::. Size~: 58.38 KBJul 29 14:22
josephjust saw it on redditJul 29 14:22
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Guest77530gah, apparently someone else has registered joseph :(Jul 29 14:22
*schestowitz looksJul 29 14:23
schestowitzOh yeah.Jul 29 14:23
schestowitzI saw those tables the other dayJul 29 14:23
schestowitzNovell doesn't do too badlyJul 29 14:23
schestowitzVolunteers firstJul 29 14:24
schestowitzUbuntu/Canonical is busyJul 29 14:24
schestowitzBusy trying to make a bundle of money :-)Jul 29 14:24
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/community/node/64267Jul 29 14:24
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schestowitzBlack Duck promoting in IDGJul 29 14:24
schestowitzWhich happens to have as a writer a VC from Black DuckJul 29 14:24
schestowitzCoincidence!Jul 29 14:24
schestowitzhttp://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/28/189222/GNOME-30-Delayed-Until-March-2011Jul 29 14:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot Technology Story | GNOME 3.0 Delayed Until March 2011 .::. Size~: 152.89 KBJul 29 14:25
schestowitz"Oh noes! what about my ubuntu!!"Jul 29 14:25
schestowitz"Quick, Red Hat! Writer code faster."Jul 29 14:25
Guest77530wow, another delay?Jul 29 14:25
Guest77530bet mono is delaying themJul 29 14:26
Guest77530:pJul 29 14:26
MinceRcopy macos faster? :>Jul 29 14:27
schestowitzhttp://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2010/07/26/valve-anti-cheat-software-goes-a-bit-glados/#more-34342Jul 29 14:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Valve Anti-Cheat software goes a bit GlaDOS? | Rock, Paper, Shotgun .::. Size~: 164.23 KBJul 29 14:27
schestowitzMinceR: no, macosayJul 29 14:28
schestowitz'My Twitter has been hacked, my Facebook has been hacked and I'm pretty sure half of New Zealand has my phone number already. I have nothing bad to say about Hell.'Jul 29 14:30
schestowitz:-)Jul 29 14:30
schestowitzhttp://it.slashdot.org/story/10/07/28/2216220/Pizza-Lovers-Suffer-Data-Breach-From-Hell?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29Jul 29 14:30
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Guest77530http://www.slideshare.net/nearyd/gnome-censusJul 29 14:32
Guest77530that's the original slideJul 29 14:32
Guest77530it's pretty interestingJul 29 14:32
TechrightsBotTitle: Gnome census .::. Size~: 58.63 KBJul 29 14:32
Guest77530look at the top contributors list, almost all red hatJul 29 14:32
Guest77530page 12Jul 29 14:32
Guest77530only 1 guy from novellJul 29 14:36
schestowitzI saw his post about it earlierJul 29 14:36
Guest77530okJul 29 14:36
schestowitzwhich guy?Jul 29 14:36
schestowitzFederico?Jul 29 14:36
Guest77530noJul 29 14:36
schestowitzDave?Jul 29 14:36
Guest77530jeffery steadfastJul 29 14:36
schestowitzMonoJul 29 14:36
schestowitzXimianJul 29 14:36
schestowitzWhat's in that page? Let's see..Jul 29 14:36
Guest77530guess he's been busy poisoning gnome if he's injecting monoJul 29 14:37
Guest77530how does he contribute all that to gnome and mono?Jul 29 14:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] My landlord never forget to make a 'sweet call' on 29 or 30 of everymonth. he says 'I didn't called for money, just wanted to say hello'Jul 29 14:38
Guest77530does he not sleep? lolJul 29 14:38
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schestowitzGuest77530: he almost does mono all the timeJul 29 14:39
schestowitzEvolutionJul 29 14:40
Guest77530does mono count as a gnome contribution?Jul 29 14:40
schestowitzDepends to whomJul 29 14:40
schestowitzNovell/MicrosoftJul 29 14:40
Guest77530I meant in the slidesJul 29 14:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @GreatDismal: RT @UnlikelyWorlds: In a letter written in 1956, Arthur C Clarke anticipates mobile phones and GPS: http://bit.ly/9cRT6TJul 29 14:40
TechrightsBotTitle: Letters of Note: "I told you so!" .::. Size~: 104.54 KBJul 29 14:40
schestowitzLike a virus is a contribution to a colony of disease causersJul 29 14:40
schestowitzLMAOJul 29 14:42
schestowitzLitl gives more than Canonical!Jul 29 14:42
Guest77530who's litl?Jul 29 14:42
schestowitzNokia tooJul 29 14:42
schestowitzI reckon it's that small laptop thingJul 29 14:42
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=litl+laptop&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Jul 29 14:42
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Guest77530ahJul 29 14:42
schestowitzhttp://www.geekiegadgets.com/2009/litl-your-very-own-web-os-laptop/Jul 29 14:43
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schestowitzhttp://www.esecurityplanet.com/features/article.php/3895421/Whitelisting-Advances-with-New-Bouncer-App.htmJul 29 14:46
schestowitz"Clarkson noted that CoreTrace does not have a formal business partnership with Canonical, the lead commercial sponsor of Ubuntu, though he noted that they have had discussions. The reason why the company is moving to the software appliance model is to help enable more deployment use cases for both physical and virtual enterprise networks."Jul 29 14:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Nope, most banks are 'stoopid' WRT that ♺ @carlopiana: @jwildeboer WinCE-based ATM? You must be kidding me!Jul 29 14:47
Guest77530gotta get goingJul 29 14:51
Guest77530have a good dayJul 29 14:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Anybody FOSS user from Salem, Tamil Nadu ?Jul 29 14:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Acer Netbook Will Dual Boot Android/Windows XP - http://bit.ly/cL24CW er, yes: and why, exactly? #android #winxpJul 29 14:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @glynmoody coz Acer has a contract with MSFT that only gives them deep discount when they pit Win on *all* machines. #lockinJul 29 14:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @glynmoody so even when user only uses Android, it is still a +1 on MSFT license sales ...Jul 29 14:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @glynmoody has been lik ethat for 20 years now. DoJ ignores. #monopoly #msftJul 29 14:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Thinking of connecting etherpad with statusNet/identi.ca - every pad has its own account you can follow. Would be cool. #needhelpJul 29 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] App Genome Project Uncovers Wallpaper App That Steals Your Data - http://bit.ly/bZmhS9 a reminder whyy we need *open source* apps #androidJul 29 14:57
TechrightsBotTitle: App Genome Project Uncovers Wallpaper App That Steals Your Data | AndroidGuys .::. Size~: 28.69 KBJul 29 14:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @jwildeboer *still*? I'm amazed...Jul 29 15:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google patches Chrome, sidesteps Windows kernel bug http://ur1.ca/0vimm "Microsoft was not available for comment late Tuesday."Jul 29 15:12
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sebsebseboiaohm: schestowitz  I am thinking about probably going PC Linux OS after been away.Jul 29 15:13
sebsebsebon hereJul 29 15:13
sebsebsebkeep other computer on Mandriva though :)Jul 29 15:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Well I am searching cheapest monitor/lcd/tft screen. anything in 17' to 21' in bulkJul 29 15:13
oiaohmHmm that duel boot android XP has to be a MS nightmareJul 29 15:15
schestowitzsebsebseb: I have it brurned hereJul 29 15:16
schestowitz2010.1Jul 29 15:16
schestowitz*burned to CDJul 29 15:16
schestowitzI might use it next monthJul 29 15:16
schestowitzLike I did a year agoJul 29 15:16
schestowitzLast year (2009.1)Jul 29 15:16
sebsebsebschestowitz: 2010.0 is better reallyJul 29 15:17
sebsebsebschestowitz: 2010.1 offers little advantageJul 29 15:17
schestowitzI don't know, only tried the latterJul 29 15:17
schestowitzsebsebseb: I will install it in 3 weeks probablyJul 29 15:17
sebsebsebin fact 2010.1 seems to offer little proper advantage over 2010.0  and what I personally notice is disadvantagesJul 29 15:18
schestowitzOK...Jul 29 15:18
schestowitzBut it's the upgrade pathJul 29 15:18
sebsebseblike the ugly new  shut down icon for Gnome.  Then also stuff like Virtualbox and Open Office,  has only been slightly upgraded, still a Sun version.Jul 29 15:19
schestowitzJul 29 15:20
schestowitz[15:19] <sebsebseb> like the ugly new  shut down icon for Gnome.Jul 29 15:20
schestowitzWHo cares about icons?Jul 29 15:20
*MinceR doesJul 29 15:20
oiaohmhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/hacker-breaks-into-atms-dispenses-cash-remotely/6996  NiceJul 29 15:20
sebsebsebMinceR: good I am not the only one then :)Jul 29 15:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Hacker breaks into ATMs, dispenses cash remotely | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 107.75 KBJul 29 15:20
schestowitzGet new iconsetsJul 29 15:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Gnash's Funding Plea - http://bit.ly/aPWi5X "So the Gnash team is broke, and has been for most of a year" help needed #gnash #flashJul 29 15:20
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MinceRiirc xfce has nice shutdown & related iconsJul 29 15:20
sebsebsebI care about good defaultsJul 29 15:20
sebsebsebI had that with 2010.0Jul 29 15:21
sebsebsebor nearlyJul 29 15:21
sebsebsebvery nearlyJul 29 15:21
MinceRindeed, GNU/Linux is highly customizableJul 29 15:21
MinceRunlike other desktop OS-esJul 29 15:21
sebsebsebyes I can customizie, butJul 29 15:21
sebsebsebI like using a distro,  default, or very nearly defaultsJul 29 15:21
sebsebsebjust want to change log in screen, and thats about it reallyJul 29 15:22
sebsebseband backgroundJul 29 15:22
sebsebsebandJul 29 15:22
sebsebsebFirefox homepage probablyJul 29 15:22
sebsebseband set up a screensaverJul 29 15:22
sebsebsebor in the KDE of KDE,  the background slide show :)Jul 29 15:22
sebsebsebor in the case of KDE 4, aboveJul 29 15:22
MinceRi change a lot of thingsJul 29 15:22
MinceRi used to change moreJul 29 15:23
MinceRand i think i'm going to change more in the futureJul 29 15:23
sebsebsebMinceR: well I also don't like getting rid of most of the feautres for a OS, because they suckJul 29 15:23
sebsebsebthats what happens now with UbuntuJul 29 15:23
sebsebsebif I do thatJul 29 15:23
sebsebsebvery much so it was in fact for 10.04Jul 29 15:24
MinceRi'm getting rid of *ubuntu :>Jul 29 15:24
sebsebsebMinceR: I have already done that :)Jul 29 15:24
MinceRgood for you :)Jul 29 15:24
sebsebsebi'll still virtual machine try in development, a bit though, but that's itJul 29 15:24
sebsebsebaltough I was thinking about maybe putting alpha 3 on  after I been away on holidays,  and run untill a bit after the final,  but no probably not, but at least then I can test the sound applet properly and such,  and their btrfs support,   but  nah proabably not.Jul 29 15:26
sebsebsebJust do PC Linux OS instead :)  not virtual machine  tried it properly yet, just very briefly with the Gnome version and maybe KDE as well.   However  its apparently really good.Jul 29 15:26
MinceRi've found PCLOS to be incredibly unpolishedJul 29 15:27
sebsebsebknow a guy who  went from Mandriva to it quite well on IRC,  and hes doing packaging for  it now as well, and he goes on about how great it is.  ATP RPM, Synaptic, rolling releaseJul 29 15:27
sebsebsebMinceR: I didn't like their branding when I briefly tried  the Gnome version in VirtualboxJul 29 15:28
MinceRimo the rolling release system introduces unnecessary risksJul 29 15:28
sebsebsebso yeah maybe PCLOS, but mainly since,  how it has Mandrivas Control centre, which can be useful for sound issues, and yeah Synaptic.Jul 29 15:28
MinceR(that's why i didn't go for sidux)Jul 29 15:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @glynmoody: Gnash's Funding Plea - http://bit.ly/aPWi5X "So the Gnash team is broke, and has been for most of a year" help needed #gnashJul 29 15:28
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sebsebsebapparently PC Linux OS is pretty stable thoughJul 29 15:29
sebsebsebhowever I got someone that  wants to get away from Ubuntu.  My older brother  will buy a lap top soonish I guess, and yeah he wants Linux on it.  So I am also thinking what distro is a good one for them.  However need to try stuff out properly first my self, at leat a vm, before can make my mind up.Jul 29 15:30
sebsebsebHowever at the moment I am thinking Mandriva, maybe PC Linux OS.Jul 29 15:30
sebsebsebas for myself,  well  I'll try PC Linux OS, maybe won't stay on it for that long, and then give Fedora another try, if it will install,  I am thinking.Jul 29 15:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] can't believe one can get sd card reader in US $0.01 http://www.davismicro.com/products/product_8969.htmJul 29 15:31
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sebsebsebor maybe I should come a OpenSuse user,  and use loads of Mono apps, as well, and tell you guys how great all that is,  :DJul 29 15:32
schestowitzsebsebseb: let me know how pclos goesJul 29 15:32
schestowitzsebsebseb: no, no opensuseJul 29 15:32
schestowitzplsJul 29 15:32
schestowitzNot until they fix their problem with NovellJul 29 15:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes OpenSuse was a joke, but I do want to virtual machine try their latest  version, not done that yetJul 29 15:32
schestowitzI'm in contact with their manager at the momentJul 29 15:32
sebsebseboh?Jul 29 15:33
schestowitzGo for pclosJul 29 15:33
schestowitzIt's where some Mandriva people goJul 29 15:33
schestowitzVolunteers-runJul 29 15:33
sebsebsebbeing clear above,  I meant putting OpenSuse on here, was the jokeJul 29 15:33
schestowitzThink Fedora but one that's "Radically easy"Jul 29 15:33
schestowitz*simpleJul 29 15:33
sebsebsebyes that's their sloganJul 29 15:34
schestowitzOr DebianJul 29 15:34
sebsebsebPC Linux OS is pretty newbie friendly apparentlyJul 29 15:34
sebsebseband this other guy has moved his people over to itJul 29 15:34
sebsebsebin person people he has helped, and then he remote connects them, and keeps them up to date, or whateverJul 29 15:34
schestowitzWho? txstar?Jul 29 15:34
schestowitztexstarJul 29 15:34
sebsebsebnot texstar, but the guy  I mentioned a little while agoJul 29 15:34
schestowitz"the gang" :-)Jul 29 15:34
sebsebsebThe gang?Jul 29 15:35
schestowitz"texstar and the gang"Jul 29 15:35
schestowitzThat's what they call themselvesJul 29 15:35
sebsebseband yeah exactly PC Linux OS gets some of the Mandriva peopleJul 29 15:35
schestowitzStill 120 people now in #mandrivaJul 29 15:35
schestowitzRussian invests in themJul 29 15:35
sebsebsebthing is if I use the same software,  for six months, and it doesn't exactly change,  I mean eye candy at leastJul 29 15:35
schestowitzRussian has Mandriva used in govt.Jul 29 15:35
sebsebsebI get boredJul 29 15:35
schestowitzSince years agoJul 29 15:35
sebsebseband thats now what has happended with MandrivaJul 29 15:35
schestowitzCOmpiz keeps improvingJul 29 15:36
schestowitz0.9 outJul 29 15:36
schestowitzANd they have some stereovision stuff and trackingJul 29 15:36
sebsebsebwell I started using Mandriva on here in NovemberJul 29 15:36
schestowitzThat's some killer feature if they can /market/ itJul 29 15:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] WikiLeaks and a failure of transparency - http://bit.ly/c3P7Tt if it becomes "biased", someone else can set up their own biased site, no?Jul 29 15:36
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sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway its good to try differnet distros really,  gain Desktop Linux experience :)Jul 29 15:37
sebsebseband I won't really know how good or bad PC Linux OS reallly is, unless I try it out properly, for a while, at leastJul 29 15:38
schestowitzSimon Phipps FTW: http://www.computerworlduk.com/community/blogs/index.cfm?entryid=3092&blogid=41Jul 29 15:40
TechrightsBotTitle: Open Source Does Not Need "Monetising" - Community - ComputerworldUK .::. Size~: 75.49 KBJul 29 15:40
schestowitzHe's cleaning up OSI from the cruftJul 29 15:40
sebsebsebwell  Ubuntu is a productJul 29 15:40
sebsebseba product that will  make a company called CanonicalJul 29 15:40
sebsebsebsome money!Jul 29 15:40
schestowitzsebsebseb: PCLOS is goodJul 29 15:40
schestowitzIt comes with Flash too IIRCJul 29 15:40
schestowitzI still install that for video, sadlyJul 29 15:40
sebsebsebyeah Flash can go a bit bad, but I am ok with itJul 29 15:41
schestowitz[15:40] <sebsebseb> a product that will  make a company called CanonicalJul 29 15:41
schestowitzWe need to fund Mark's next mission to spaceJul 29 15:41
schestowitzSo open up your wallets, geeks! :-)Jul 29 15:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: heh I guessJul 29 15:41
sebsebsebanyway I didn't go on your link just yetJul 29 15:42
sebsebseb,but I assume its about distros using open source to make moneyJul 29 15:42
sebsebsebor something like thatJul 29 15:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah its also a community distro,  proper community distro, non commercialJul 29 15:42
sebsebsebwhich is meant to be an advantage reallyJul 29 15:42
sebsebsebfor PC Linux OSJul 29 15:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] As college text prices soar, students get a rental option http://ur1.ca/0vj0f sharing book is called "open-source"?Jul 29 15:45
schestowitzWho's in this photo? http://www.intomobile.com/2010/07/26/two-open-source-groups-limo-and-gnome-get-together-to-make-a-free-tarded-baby/Jul 29 15:45
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schestowitzIt's not Torvalds, is it?Jul 29 15:45
schestowitzIt's an inflammatory articleJul 29 15:46
schestowitz"Two open source groups, LiMo and GNOME, get together to make a free-tarded baby"Jul 29 15:46
schestowitzAnd then he shows some kidJul 29 15:46
schestowitzLike he calls him "retarded"Jul 29 15:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 35 Dollar Indian Pad? Go Indians, Go! - http://bit.ly/cTLnTr good analysis from Jon maddog Hall #india #tabletJul 29 15:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Civil Society Groups Warn EU On ACTA - http://bit.ly/d7quQZ mostly about impact on medicines, but still good to have #eu #actaJul 29 15:52
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sebsebsebschestowitz: Right so the article you gave,  I am wondering if I understood it properly.  They program open source, they cover their own costs,  and the software isn't really about making a profit, or not meant to be anyway?Jul 29 15:53
schestowitzNo, it's a separate subjectJul 29 15:55
schestowitzNot relatedJul 29 15:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] One OLPC cost you 9260 INR in India https://authorize.payments.amazon.com/pba/xo #olpcJul 29 15:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] $17M for Legal Fees Money Well Spent, RIAA Says - http://bit.ly/ctyEIl "designed to foster respect for the rights of creators": v. effectiveJul 29 16:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I do not know why you guys are taking the $35 Indian netbook joke so seriously. We Indian are best at making such jokes. #jokeJul 29 16:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ladies, you need to listen to what Christian guys tell you to wear - http://bit.ly/9z9kfe I'm sure the Pope would approve...Jul 29 16:20
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schestowitzSo the MAFIAA take the Al Qaeda approach to spendingsJul 29 16:24
schestowitzMoney is well spent on terrorising peopleJul 29 16:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody PZ goes a bit confrontational thereJul 29 16:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 29/7/2010: #OSCON Coverage, #Gnash Needs Donations http://techrights.org/2010/07/29/gnash-needs-donations/Jul 29 16:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz *there*? - he goes confrontational *everywhere* - that's his appeal...Jul 29 16:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody I know, I've tracked him for a long whileJul 29 16:29
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/pranesh_prakash/statuses/19820950521 "@schestowitz I write about the importance of good laws, but engage in unlawful activities both knowingly and inadvertently. @anivar"Jul 29 16:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Former #Fedora Chair says, “Canonical is a Marketing Organization Masquerading as an Engineering Organization” http://ur1.ca/0vjg2 #ubuntuJul 29 16:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz Greg de Koenigsberg is no longer at Red Hat ...Jul 29 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Hey, Ubuntu Fanboys, care to explain? http://is.gd/dR0fQ #redhat 16 :1 #ubuntu wrt GNOME commits ...Jul 29 17:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Good morning all. By eck, I slept like a log last night. Feeling good. And now...1.2 metric tonne of email to respond to. :-)Jul 29 17:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Crackers Prefer #Windows on Cash Machines http://techrights.org/2010/07/29/crackers-love-windows/ #security #bankJul 29 17:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google’s Mobile Search Market Share: An Estimated, Whopping 98.29% - http://tcrn.ch/akfmw5 yikes #google #dominance #searchJul 29 17:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "Canonical do not figure in the top 10 companies in terms of number of commits to the#GNOME project" http://is.gd/dR153 #redhat is #1Jul 29 17:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Nathan Myrhvold’s and Bill Gates’ Pyramid Scheme Finally Collapsing? http://ur1.ca/0vjsb #IntellectualVentures #racketeeringJul 29 17:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer Oh, I see...Jul 29 17:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer I crossed out "Red Hat"Jul 29 17:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Britain to launch Afghan war inquiry http://bit.ly/cLvGEhJul 29 17:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Rebuilding the Demolab of #RHT in Munich. Setting up our Cloud Foundations Edition One http://is.gd/dR50pJul 29 17:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Fedora’s @jwildeboer Says #Microsoft Uses Intel-Like Illegal Tactics to Marginalise Competition http://ur1.ca/0vk1f #gnu #linux #androidJul 29 18:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @newsarse Security experts warn that stuff you put on the Internet is on the Internet http://bit.ly/b0nfGKJul 29 18:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz 140 chars are simply too short sometimes ;-) I *guess* Acer has such an agreement, I haven't seen it.Jul 29 18:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] US food waste worth more than offshore drilling - http://bit.ly/9WnNzkJul 29 18:25
TechrightsBotTitle: US food waste worth more than offshore drilling - 28 July 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 44.93 KBJul 29 18:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/AcerJul 29 18:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz Wow, so my guess is a fact ;-)Jul 29 18:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz And I do guess that almost all hardware manufacturers have similar agreements. Seems tough to avoid the Windows tax, innit?Jul 29 18:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz Page 8, "Per System royalty calc", no (4) says Acer pays even for systems without Windows. That's my point.Jul 29 18:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz Big Q is how current agreement looks, #95 version is outdated I guess and has been replaced a few times?Jul 29 18:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Giving Your Data to Microsoft, Now Available as ‘Open Source’ (for Windows Only) http://ur1.ca/0vkji #fogcomputingJul 29 18:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Adobe buying Day – Quick Analysis - http://bit.ly/cXUPpe coming from a different angle: interesting #adobe #day #crmJul 29 18:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer yes, we have other OEM agreements too (Compaq, Dell, etc.)Jul 29 18:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz stunning stuff. We should have a few drinks soonish and discuss.Jul 29 18:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bulls**t Removed http://ur1.ca/0vcjv HT MinceRJul 29 18:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer if you're in the UKJul 29 18:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] We are told the basic pension is not enough to live off, we are told that the retirement age has been upp'd...This is good news is it?Jul 29 18:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im over in #peppermint on spotchat.org come and join me! #linux #foss #linuxJul 29 18:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Instead of increasing retirement age, what about increasing the pensions for those who are retired/have retired?Jul 29 18:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wakeup call for economy optomists: http://ur1.ca/0vl8y http://ur1.ca/0vl8zJul 29 18:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Maybe im just silly and people are looking forward to having to work longer to meet a shortfall in a small pension.Jul 29 18:51
schestowitz"States are putting hundreds of thousands of people directly into jobs through programs reminiscent of the more ambitious work projects of the Great Depression. "Jul 29 18:52
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/29/business/economy/29workers.html?partner=rss&emc=rssJul 29 18:52
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schestowitzIt's like the New Deal 2.0Jul 29 18:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] As people lose their houses ( http://ur1.ca/0vlfj ) the US starts a New Deal-like response ( http://ur1.ca/0vlfl ) without saying "d" wordJul 29 18:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks in Baghdad | Nation http://bit.ly/cGviIYJul 29 18:57
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schestowitzhttp://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100726005889&newsLang=enJul 29 18:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I think you're too young to worry about it :-) cheer up, mateJul 29 19:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin you probably meant decreasing, not increasing (two dents ago)Jul 29 19:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Bill O'Reilly-Stratfor on the Afghan War Diary http://bit.ly/cnirR5Jul 29 19:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I thought the age of retirement was going up, whilst the basic pension is apparently "not enough to live off"???Jul 29 19:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Probably, but if Id been paying into a system all my life, I would expect a decent return and not told to work longer.Jul 29 19:06
schestowitzhttp://www.physorg.com/news199378861.htmlJul 29 19:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Maybe its because where I live there are many retired/elderly people.Jul 29 19:07
schestowitzhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/36713939@N05/3384484683/Jul 29 19:07
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schestowitzwb, jweyrichJul 29 19:08
jweyrichty schestowitz! what's up?Jul 29 19:08
schestowitzhave you seen Tobin?Jul 29 19:08
schestowitzHe has been silent for a whileJul 29 19:08
jweyrichtalked to him few hours ago on msn.Jul 29 19:09
schestowitzMicrosoft was there too :-)Jul 29 19:09
schestowitzNot listening, just logging :-pJul 29 19:09
jweyrichI doubt, we use OTR.Jul 29 19:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] London 2012: Olympic 'Games Lanes' scythe through commuter routes - http://bit.ly/dwId3a welcome to the Soviet Union #london2012Jul 29 19:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin maybe they reckon that only fools and horses...Jul 29 19:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] If I given a choice to reborn, I will never choose India. http://bit.ly/9vLeiI totally senseless, useless & stomach oriented populationJul 29 19:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another abandonment of #Adobe #TrashPlayer , thanks to HTML5 http://www.prurgent.com/2010-07-26/pressrelease109338.htmJul 29 19:14
schestowitzhttp://java.dzone.com/dose/dzone-daily-dose-726-0Jul 29 19:14
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*schestowitz copies the "Adobe trash" meme from MinceR, and MinceR in turn got it from..........?Jul 29 19:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Fans lend their voices to Fairouz, the silenced diva - http://bit.ly/atWvSQ silenced by squabbles over royalties... #copyright #lebanonJul 29 19:40
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schestowitzhttp://webmink.com/2010/07/29/links-for-2010-07-29/ "Entirely jaw-dropping disclosure shows Dell was not the profitable behemoth it appeared. I wonder just how much of this Intel has done over the years?"Jul 29 19:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @mairin @jwildeboer my dream is for etherpad to be built into mediawiki :) | #awesomeJul 29 19:42
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MinceRi think i invented it (but it wasn't difficult and i could be wrong about this)Jul 29 19:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Limiting Copyright to 12 Months - http://bit.ly/9brAzR wonderfully wrong post: it's *scientists* who lost copyright to publishers #oaJul 29 19:54
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] hehe ♺ @bugabundo: Caixa Geral lança Webuy, da MasterCard.... com uma anuidade de 7€. Deixem tar, tou bem com MBNetJul 29 19:55
schestowitzHelp IBM et al. pay Torvalds' gigantic wage. Donate to him now. http://www.linux-foundation.org/weblogs/amanda/2010/07/28/new-benefits-for-linux-foundation-members/Jul 29 20:02
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schestowitzhttp://dohbuoy.wordpress.com/2010/07/28/new-kubuntu-website-is-live/Jul 29 20:13
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schestowitzMarketingJul 29 20:13
schestowitzProgramming laterJul 29 20:13
schestowitz:-)Jul 29 20:13
schestowitzUbuntu's site has been redesigned many timesJul 29 20:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Controlling Soot Might Quickly Reverse a Century of Global Warming - http://bit.ly/bCE4nO sounds almost too easy... #climatechange #sootJul 29 20:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody careful w/ what's cited http://tinyogg.com/watch/BKzYW/ (Climate Denial Crock of the Week - Heatwave Edition Part 2)Jul 29 20:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] The Kubuntu website gets a stunning re-design - http://is.gd/dRkYp #kubuntu #kdeJul 29 20:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Máirín Duffy doing some great work with the Fedora front page re-design - http://is.gd/dRl0K #fedora #redhat #gnomeJul 29 20:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Quick thought: why don't email clients automatically delete emails from significantly in the future - they are almost always spam.Jul 29 20:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] My latest Invention is much much better then Microsoft's & Amazon's invention. Now applying for patent too #fun http://post.ly/pM4uJul 29 20:52
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nsisodiyaHi guys, I have patented my invention, have a look on it and please comment Jul 29 20:53
nsisodiyaNobody here :(Jul 29 20:59
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schestowitzI'm hereJul 29 21:01
schestowitzjono is here tooJul 29 21:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz sure, but equally it's worth exploring various avenuesJul 29 21:01
DaemonFCOpenSuse isn't pulseaudio friendly even with kmix-pulse apparentlyJul 29 21:04
DaemonFChehJul 29 21:04
DaemonFCapparently Mandriva's patching goes further than kmix and phononJul 29 21:05
cubevectorlolJul 29 21:05
nsisodiyaschestowitz: Hi, have you seen my inventionJul 29 21:05
DaemonFCI would figure it outJul 29 21:05
DaemonFCbut Mandriva works and OpenSuse doesn'tJul 29 21:06
cubevectorwell I never pay much attention to Microsoft's 'patents'Jul 29 21:06
DaemonFCso I'll just use Mandriva and let it beJul 29 21:06
schestowitzThe $35 laptop? :;pJul 29 21:06
cubevectordoes the $35 laptop come with win7?Jul 29 21:06
nsisodiyaschestowitz: http://lug-iitd.posterous.com/my-latest-invention-is-much-much-better-thenJul 29 21:06
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cubevectorcuz I really want that ;-)Jul 29 21:06
nsisodiyacubevector: schestowitz $35 is a fakeware, India is best to produce these fake news.Jul 29 21:07
cubevectorah bummerJul 29 21:07
DaemonFCupon inspection of the rattling noise coming from my CPU fan, I noticed two thingsJul 29 21:08
DaemonFC1. The factory didn't secure the screws as much as they could haveJul 29 21:08
nsisodiyacubevector: schestowitz India is far behind in production, how can one build such a low cost PC. even the CPU and mother/fatherboard will cost more then $35Jul 29 21:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody I heard the soot story before, from someone who is sceptical about global warming. New strategy is change goalposts. #magicpillJul 29 21:08
DaemonFC2. The fan seemed to be brushing against a capacitor that was sticking outJul 29 21:08
DaemonFCso I took a Qtip and bent it inward slightlyJul 29 21:09
DaemonFC:PJul 29 21:09
cubevectorDaemonFC, you need to switch to fanless computerJul 29 21:09
cubevectorlike my 486 :)Jul 29 21:09
DaemonFCyeah, that would be niceJul 29 21:10
DaemonFCfan noise sucksJul 29 21:10
DaemonFCmaking sure the fans are dusted every few months goes a long way towards keeping the noise to a minimumJul 29 21:10
cubevectorless cpu heat == great longevityJul 29 21:10
DaemonFCthe Linux kernel power management is also far better than WindowsJul 29 21:10
DaemonFCI noticed that Windows tends to keep my CPUs running at the full 3.2 Ghz most of the timeJul 29 21:11
DaemonFCwhile in Linux, they're usually running at 800 MhzJul 29 21:11
cubevectornsisodiya, I figured India announces $35 computer, then builds $100 computerJul 29 21:11
DaemonFCunless something actually needs them running at full speed, they're scaled backJul 29 21:11
DaemonFCand the fans can slow downJul 29 21:11
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 21:11
schestowitznsisodiya: no PMJul 29 21:12
DaemonFCless noise, less heat, less wear and tearJul 29 21:12
cubevectorok, question...Jul 29 21:12
schestowitzI saw thatJul 29 21:12
nsisodiyaschestowitz: OKJul 29 21:12
cubevectoris there any current CPU which can run fanless?Jul 29 21:12
DaemonFCI'm all for itJul 29 21:12
DaemonFCcubevector: The Via C7-D canJul 29 21:12
DaemonFCit's fairly cheapJul 29 21:12
DaemonFCpossible to run the motherboard and CPU, complete with integrated graphics on 25 wattsJul 29 21:12
DaemonFCapparentlyJul 29 21:12
DaemonFCadd a hard drive, case fan, few peripherals, and the maximum power use would be about that of a standard light bulb :) (60-70 watts)Jul 29 21:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 29/7/2010: #Linux Foundation Members, New #GNOME Shell Mockups http://techrights.org/2010/07/29/gnome-shell-mockups/Jul 29 21:13
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cubevectorthat's not badJul 29 21:14
DaemonFCas for performance, it can't stack up to most desktops, but you could put it in one of those little Mini-ITX casesJul 29 21:14
DaemonFCand give a Mac Mini a run for its money (at around $400 cheaper)Jul 29 21:14
DaemonFC:DJul 29 21:14
DaemonFCfor x86, it's fairly efficient, which isn't saying much I guessJul 29 21:15
DaemonFCyou could probably cut the power use down further with ARM or MIPSJul 29 21:15
cubevectorwhat if I want non-x86?Jul 29 21:15
DaemonFCI've been looking into that out of curiosityJul 29 21:15
DaemonFCimporting a system with one of those Chinese Loonson III quad core CPUs seems like the best non-x86 deal you'll getJul 29 21:16
DaemonFC*LoongsonJul 29 21:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Masti infront of WebCam at Narendra Sisodiya's House http://post.ly/pMDtJul 29 21:16
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DaemonFCthey even have added instructions to help it with x86 virtualization Jul 29 21:16
DaemonFCso you could actually stuff Windows XP or whatever into an emulator and run it at an acceptable speedJul 29 21:17
cubevectorI'll probably just get a SunJul 29 21:17
DaemonFCif you actually needed to use Windows for anythingJul 29 21:17
cubevectorrun it as a serverJul 29 21:17
cubevectorbah, no, don't need dozeJul 29 21:17
cubevectorwhy run the worst? :)Jul 29 21:17
DaemonFCcause you canJul 29 21:18
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 21:18
DaemonFC:PJul 29 21:18
DaemonFCWine 1.2 has gotten sufficiently good that I don't really miss Windows a whole lotJul 29 21:18
DaemonFCpretty much my entire stack of XP-compatible video games runs with good speed nowJul 29 21:19
DaemonFCthat was the biggest "ouch" in formatting Windows off the disk entirely Jul 29 21:19
cubevectorhmmmJul 29 21:19
MinceRwindows has gotten sufficiently bad that i don't really miss windows when i can avoid using it :>Jul 29 21:20
cubevectorno, i don't miss windows at all, I must sayJul 29 21:20
DaemonFCyeah, I have a stack of video games spanning about 20 years give or takeJul 29 21:20
DaemonFCall the way back to DOSJul 29 21:20
cubevectorFreeDos for very old gamesJul 29 21:20
DaemonFCand so between Wine and DOSBox, I can run most of themJul 29 21:20
DaemonFCI just use DOSBoxJul 29 21:20
DaemonFChow hard is it to emulate a CPU fast enough to run a DOS environment, really? :)Jul 29 21:21
cubevectoryeah well the 486 with FreeDos > DosboxJul 29 21:21
cubevectorsound emulation isn't 100%Jul 29 21:21
cubevectorand I need the CRT for 320x200 properJul 29 21:21
DaemonFCnext time I get paid, I'm probably going to chips something in as a donation to MandrivaJul 29 21:21
squarepegresetJul 29 21:22
DaemonFCI would buy a Powerpack subscription, but then a lot of that goes to FluendoJul 29 21:22
DaemonFCand gets funneled off to Microsoft and MPEG-LAJul 29 21:22
DaemonFCbut they do have a donation pageJul 29 21:22
DaemonFCso at least that way 100% of the money goes to themJul 29 21:22
cubevectorwhat is Powerpack?Jul 29 21:22
cubevectorit's a microsoft thing? :)Jul 29 21:23
DaemonFCit has part of the Fluendo codec packJul 29 21:26
DaemonFCthe Fluendo DVD playerJul 29 21:26
DaemonFCand usually a few non-free apps like Picasa and Opera which you can get from the non-free repo anywayJul 29 21:27
DaemonFCit used to have moreJul 29 21:27
DaemonFCwhat sucks about the Powerpack is that even after you buy the licensed codecs that come with it, you still have to find an unlicensed encoder somewhere elseJul 29 21:27
cubevectorwhy not just use mplayer & mencoder?Jul 29 21:28
DaemonFClike I said, if licensed and unlicensed bother youJul 29 21:28
DaemonFCthen mencoder and mplayer are not licensedJul 29 21:29
DaemonFCI doubt anyone really caresJul 29 21:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Yet another "mystery" "new" Twitter account, supporting Microsoft. I've asked for disclosure...I wonder....Jul 29 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] This one though is extra special, he/she seems to think my reviews/interviews and opinion are lifted from elsewhere.Jul 29 21:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I wonder, since the MVPawardprogram is not a bot, will they be willing to answer some questions in relation to MVP's?Jul 29 21:37
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DaemonFCSuse is the only Linux distro I know of that fails to load X, doesn't give you any explanation, and dumps you to a console login that says "Have a lot of fun!"Jul 29 21:41
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 21:41
DaemonFCcubevector: I did figure out what was screwing Fedora up real bad after installing CatalystJul 29 21:42
DaemonFCthe Catalyst driver doesn't blacklist the "radeon" driver or turn off KMSJul 29 21:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin re "Yet another "mystery" "new" Twitter account, supporting Microsoft." >sometimes they hire agencies like EdelmanJul 29 21:42
DaemonFCso Fedora ends up trying to load both drivers, and use KMSJul 29 21:42
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 21:42
DaemonFCyou can fix both these issues by hand, but I'd suggest doing it before you reboot B-)Jul 29 21:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I'd suggest then they hire someone else. This new one only has 1 follower. I wonder if they respond to my disclosure request?Jul 29 21:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin "MVPawardprogram" - let's dissect. MVP = booster, AstroTurfer, de facto PR person; Award = incentive, bribe, gift, schwagJul 29 21:43
DaemonFCschestowitz: yeah, they like to give out free copies of Windows and other stuff to MVPsJul 29 21:44
DaemonFCthey used to mail you out a boxed setJul 29 21:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin poor sod, soon s/he'll be dischargedJul 29 21:44
DaemonFCnow they let you download it and burn it to your own disc :PJul 29 21:45
schestowitzDaemonFC: yes, my brother told me todayJul 29 21:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz It was only recently I found out the status has to be renewed annually...great way to keep "loyalty"Jul 29 21:45
schestowitzHe told me he's trying to get all the freebies from themJul 29 21:45
schestowitzThen I explained to his they give his VS so that he'd end up creating s/w that requires each copy receiver to pay for a $4000 Microsoft licenceJul 29 21:46
DaemonFCschestowitz: I still have my boxed copies of Windows 98 SE, Windows Me, and Windows 2000 somewhereJul 29 21:46
schestowitzThey disseminate their crap through acedemiaJul 29 21:46
schestowitzAs alwaysJul 29 21:46
DaemonFCthey have a copy of Bill Gates' signature on themJul 29 21:46
schestowitzAnd some stupid professors become their accomplicesJul 29 21:46
DaemonFCand a thank you letter :PJul 29 21:46
DaemonFCthat's where I got my copy of Windows 2000 atJul 29 21:47
DaemonFCI did get a lot of use out of thatJul 29 21:47
DaemonFCespecially by formatting over Windows XP and using Windows 2000 insteadJul 29 21:47
DaemonFC:DJul 29 21:47
schestowitzFree coasters!Jul 29 21:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin so Miguel de Icaza will need to renews his "MVP" soonJul 29 21:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz I wouldn't mind so much, but how dare they suggest "lifted" in regards to my blog and opinion.Jul 29 21:47
schestowitz"Gimme gimme gimme"Jul 29 21:48
DaemonFCWindows 2000 did actually perform better than XPJul 29 21:48
DaemonFCbut Microsoft paid a bunch of "professional reviewers" to fabricate benchmarks favoring XPJul 29 21:48
DaemonFCmy own results were almost always in favor of Windows 2000Jul 29 21:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin Maybe "lifted" as in elevated, like Jesus going to HeavenJul 29 21:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: their EULA doesn't allow ebnchamrksJul 29 21:49
schestowitzNot without Microsoft's approvalJul 29 21:49
DaemonFCyeah, but that doesn't mean anythingJul 29 21:49
DaemonFCwhen have they sued someone in the US for posting benchmarks?Jul 29 21:49
DaemonFCthey couldn'tJul 29 21:49
DaemonFCmaybe in the UKJul 29 21:49
DaemonFCI'm sure someone in the UK would be sued if they ever did thatJul 29 21:49
DaemonFCyour laws are more favorable to SLAPP trollsJul 29 21:50
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 21:50
schestowitzInterest in Microsoft is waningJul 29 21:51
schestowitzApple is the new thing, I thinkJul 29 21:51
DaemonFCschestowitz: Under Indiana law, I would have had to have defamed them in a way that was knowingly falseJul 29 21:52
DaemonFCand their lawsuit for merely posting benchmarks wouldn't be allowed unless I knowingly fabricated themJul 29 21:52
DaemonFCand they could prove itJul 29 21:52
DaemonFCthat's why they never actually try to sue for thatJul 29 21:52
DaemonFCmost states have similar anti-SLAPP lawsJul 29 21:52
DaemonFCtheir EULA banning reverse engineering is also unenforceable Jul 29 21:53
DaemonFCGoogle reverse engineered chunks of the Windows kernel to build ChromeJul 29 21:54
DaemonFCno lawsuitJul 29 21:54
DaemonFCWine reverse engineers things, no lawsuitJul 29 21:54
DaemonFCthey throw things in the EULA that would never stand up in court just because it sounds scary to people who are ignorant of the law and presume the EULA would stand up in courtJul 29 21:55
DaemonFCthey try to use ignorance and fear to get their critics to censor themselves, but it's really just a gigantic bluffJul 29 21:56
DaemonFCschestowitz: Indiana is not known to rule favorably towards patent trolls eitherJul 29 21:57
DaemonFCthat's why you never hear about patent trolls abusing the courts hereJul 29 21:58
DaemonFCpatent trolls prefer TexasJul 29 21:58
DaemonFCcollection agencies prefer MinnesotaJul 29 21:59
DaemonFCthey still arrest people and throw them in jail in MinnesotaJul 29 21:59
DaemonFCover things like unpaid medical billsJul 29 21:59
DaemonFCcreditors love MinnesotaJul 29 21:59
DaemonFCIndiana's constitution forbids arrest or detention over unpaid debtJul 29 22:00
DaemonFCso you really do have to watch what state you decide to live inJul 29 22:00
DaemonFCin some ways, it is like moving to another countryJul 29 22:00
DaemonFCthe only thing that's uniform is federal lawJul 29 22:01
DaemonFCthe only way you could be arrested over debt in Indiana is if you're actually sued, you get summoned to court, and you don't show upJul 29 22:02
DaemonFCthen you can get a bench warrantJul 29 22:02
DaemonFCwhich is just the judge saying "arrest him and bring him to me"Jul 29 22:02
DaemonFCso you'd probably only spend a day in jail even thenJul 29 22:02
DaemonFCbut it can't be imposed as a sentence for nonpaymentJul 29 22:03
DaemonFCunless it's child support, which is just one more reason to not have kidsJul 29 22:03
DaemonFCshow me how many women actually get arrested and thrown in jail over not paying child supportJul 29 22:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Still trying to sort out my "shortcast" I'm hoping to get something up shortly..... I only wish AudioBoo wasn't limited to 5 mins.Jul 29 22:04
DaemonFCschestowitz: I've noticed that when discrimination primarily affects white men, nobody cares or listensJul 29 22:05
DaemonFCbut don't you dare discriminate against those lesbian multiracial devil worshippersJul 29 22:05
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 22:05
DaemonFCnow you have minorities campaigning for the repeal of Affirmative Action laws, now that the Supreme Court is listening to discrimination cases brought by white menJul 29 22:06
DaemonFCoh noez! the horror!Jul 29 22:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] ODF 1.2 Word Clouds http://goo.gl/fb/WuIouJul 29 22:06
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DaemonFClaw is a fun thing to sit back and watchJul 29 22:07
MinceRfrom afarJul 29 22:07
MinceRbeing under its effect is far from funJul 29 22:07
DaemonFCgroups lobby for the passage of a law and then when it blows up in their face, they're scrambling to get a repealJul 29 22:07
MinceRbtw i fucking hate this fucking joke of a countryJul 29 22:07
MinceR(but i guess you already knew that)Jul 29 22:07
DaemonFCuhhm, yeahJul 29 22:07
DaemonFCAbsurdistan kind of gave that awayJul 29 22:08
DaemonFC:)Jul 29 22:08
DaemonFChmmm, ODF 1.2 should be interesting once MS Office users try opening, editing, and savingJul 29 22:08
*DaemonFC barfsJul 29 22:08
DaemonFCis there a way to prevent MS Office users from editing an ODF document?Jul 29 22:09
DaemonFCthe ones I've seen grab a document, bulldoze the formatting with MS Office, and then host it on their site as a revisionJul 29 22:10
DaemonFC:PJul 29 22:10
DaemonFCwhich is probably why MS kind of sort of supports enough ODF to let them do thatJul 29 22:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell-Funded #IDC Sees Studies Used by Novell to Deny Loss of Market Impact http://ur1.ca/0vuab #suse #paytosayJul 29 22:10
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MinceRbarfs, the world's most disgusting filesystem? :>Jul 29 22:13
DaemonFChmmmmmJul 29 22:14
*DaemonFC slaps MinceR with FFSJul 29 22:14
DaemonFCB-)Jul 29 22:14
MinceR:)Jul 29 22:14
DaemonFChmmm, the precompiled Sauerbraten binary does not support MandrivaJul 29 22:15
DaemonFChmmmphJul 29 22:15
*DaemonFC gets the SDL development packages :PJul 29 22:15
MinceRget mandriva to package it thenJul 29 22:16
DaemonFCthey could package the engine, but not the game dataJul 29 22:16
DaemonFCit would have to be in PLFJul 29 22:16
MinceRthey have a nonfree repo, do they not?Jul 29 22:16
DaemonFCand I don't think they have the bandwidth to carry thatJul 29 22:16
DaemonFCwell, yeahJul 29 22:16
MinceRin the worst case they could include a script with the engine package which downloads the game data and installs itJul 29 22:16
DaemonFCI don't think they put games in there thoughJul 29 22:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Grameen Foundation and #Microsoft Misuse the Term ‘Open Source’ http://ur1.ca/0vup1 #financeJul 29 22:18
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DaemonFCahhhJul 29 22:26
DaemonFCI compiled it, it worksJul 29 22:26
DaemonFCjoyJul 29 22:26
MinceRjoy-joy feelingsJul 29 22:31
schestowitz"@osamak thanks so much for tinyogg. I come to the site at least twice a day for a Flash-free video fix. ;-)"Jul 29 22:31
schestowitzHere's where I find videos when I don't want Google to track me: http://tinyogg.com/list/Jul 29 22:32
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/5Hb2P/Jul 29 22:32
TechrightsBotTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Transformers WFC Autobots campaign playthrough pt13 .::. Size~: 5.27 KBJul 29 22:32
DaemonFCbe wellJul 29 22:37
DaemonFC:PJul 29 22:37
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_File_SystemJul 29 22:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Unix File System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 59.47 KBJul 29 22:38
DaemonFCFreeBSD still defaults to this right?Jul 29 22:38
DaemonFCunless you choose ZFS?Jul 29 22:38
cubevectorwell we just had FS originallyJul 29 22:39
cubevectorthen BSD got the FFSJul 29 22:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "America spent over $663 billion on defense" http://www.prwatch.org/node/9307 That's not much, same as bailout (oil/bank/military) /sarcasmJul 29 22:39
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cubevectorhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systemsJul 29 22:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Comparison of file systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 415.14 KBJul 29 22:41
DaemonFChttp://svn.mandriva.com/svn/packages/updates/2010.1/kernel/current/PATCHES/patches/Jul 29 22:46
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DaemonFChehJul 29 22:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Busy working on a new Ubuntu Developer Summit website. Nearly done. :-)Jul 29 22:46
DaemonFChttp://svn.mandriva.com/svn/packages/updates/2010.1/kernel/current/PATCHES/patches/video-mdk-logo.patchJul 29 22:48
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DaemonFCOriginal author is unknown.Jul 29 22:48
DaemonFCwell, nice to see they're distributing it anywayJul 29 22:48
DaemonFC:DJul 29 22:48
DaemonFCwhy are they still carrying kernel patches from 9 years ago?Jul 29 22:50
DaemonFCheheJul 29 22:50
schestowitzhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-Mint-9-KDE-released-1046914.htmlJul 29 22:51
TechrightsBotTitle: Linux Mint 9 KDE released - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.73 KBJul 29 22:51
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schestowitzhttp://www.itworld.com/tech-amp-society/115639/the-first-million-seller-e-bookJul 29 23:01
TechrightsBotTitle: The first million seller e-book is.... | ITworld .::. Size~: 83.38 KBJul 29 23:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Until the death penalty for apostasy is consigned to the history books, I make no apologies for being an "activist" for atheism." from RWJul 29 23:03
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MinceRgnJul 29 23:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I take my hat off to the Linux Outlaws, podcasting/presenting is NOT easy!Jul 29 23:13
schestowitzDaemonFC: what's up with Pirillo?Jul 29 23:15
cubevectorvery close to getting AROS up!Jul 29 23:16
schestowitzAROS srounds like arseJul 29 23:16
schestowitzI never liked thier nameJul 29 23:16
schestowitz*theirJul 29 23:16
schestowitzIt also sounds like Aras, the open source FAKER that circulates MicrosoftJul 29 23:16
schestowitzhttp://www.acrossad.org/home/gnulinux-news/38-the-us-government-and-its-partners-opens-up-to-fossJul 29 23:17
cubevectorit is arse, until I getting workingJul 29 23:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Let me quote my wife (in relation to my blog & its stats) "If all those people are interested in it, they can bloody well pay for it".......Jul 29 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Of course I won't be charging, but maybe the wife should go over to Redmond and work with Ballmer.Jul 29 23:21
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJsF2wSA6S0Jul 29 23:35
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- summary of computer experience 1963-2010 .::. Size~: 83.73 KBJul 29 23:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 29/7/2010: Android 3.0 Preview, Mint KDE http://techrights.org/2010/07/29/android-3-0-preview/Jul 29 23:41
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