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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 30/7/2010: Mandriva One 2010 Spring KDE Reviewed, Neoclassical Economics http://techrights.org/2010/07/30/neoclassical-economics/ | Jul 31 00:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | apparently mandrivauser.de has built Firefox 3.6.8 | Jul 31 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 31 00:17 |
| cubezzz3 | maldows? :) | Jul 31 00:18 |
| cubezzz3 | just day doze | Jul 31 00:19 |
| cubezzz3 | it gets the message across | Jul 31 00:19 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] CIA official slams poor Afghan raid intelligence which cost civilian lies http://bit.ly/dgQt4Z | Jul 31 01:25 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mark Shuttleworth, a leader of a tribe, says tribalism is the enemy within... huh, I swear I wrote a similar peice for FSM http://u.nu/6yp5e | Jul 31 01:31 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] North Korean football team shamed in six-hour public inquiry over World Cup http://u.nu/2mk5e | Jul 31 01:41 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] US Copyright Group violated copyright and stole website design http://u.nu/59q5e #douchebags | Jul 31 01:46 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mars site may hold 'buried life' http://u.nu/45k4e #science | Jul 31 01:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | Great Leader will save them | Jul 31 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 31 02:06 |
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| DaemonFC | hmm, that guy calls Mandriva One bloated and then recommends Sabayon | Jul 31 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | mmmk | Jul 31 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 31 05:26 |
| *DaemonFC must be in the universe where Sabayon isn't a pain in the ass to install and use | Jul 31 05:26 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 4.5 is not in backports | Jul 31 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't know where he got that | Jul 31 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | kernel-linus is at 2.6.34.1 | Jul 31 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 4.5 RC3 packages for Mandriva are here | Jul 31 05:36 |
| DaemonFC | ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.4.95/Mandriva/2010.1/x86_64/ | Jul 31 05:36 |
| cubezzz3 | haha, I'm trying to download some xlib examples and I get a fake virus scanner | Jul 31 05:43 |
| cubezzz3 | complete with windows icons | Jul 31 05:43 |
| cubezzz3 | then it tries to get me to download this exe file | Jul 31 05:44 |
| cubezzz3 | gee whiz | Jul 31 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz3: I ran into two big problems with RC2 that made me run screaming back to KDE 4.4 | Jul 31 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | 1. Dolphin was crashing left and right | Jul 31 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | 2. Lancelot would bomb out and immediately try to reload itself. | Jul 31 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 31 05:46 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah and you wonder why I run 3.5.10 or even older :) | Jul 31 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | 4.4 is stable | Jul 31 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'll try RC3 | Jul 31 05:46 |
| cubezzz3 | suit yourself | Jul 31 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | apparently if all goes well, this should be the same as the final release | Jul 31 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 05:47 |
| cubezzz3 | and you realize that it runs slow on older hardware right? | Jul 31 05:47 |
| cubezzz3 | that's the main reason why I don't like KDE >=4 | Jul 31 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have anything old enough to really notice | Jul 31 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, they've gotten the RAM usage down vs. KDE 4.0 quite nicely | Jul 31 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | I was going over 2 GB in use not counting cache under a typical workload (for me) | Jul 31 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | now I'm hovering just above 1 GB | Jul 31 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | at least most Linux distros have finally leaned to not leave memory unused | Jul 31 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | cache is easy to evict and makes the system so much more responsive | Jul 31 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | if I have 8 GB of RAM and the system only needs 1, that means there's 7 GB of cache memory sitting right there waiting to be filled | Jul 31 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | so I call it a win when the system sees I went to take a piss, and decides to cram everything I'm likely to open in otherwise wasted RAM | Jul 31 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | cause chances are I will come back, check my email, open my browser, fire up xchat, and start listening to some music | Jul 31 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | and if that's all in memory, that's all the less time I have to wait | Jul 31 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | now what would be fabulous is if they could get Konqueror or rekonq into some kind of shape where they were preferable over Firefox or Opera | Jul 31 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | cause you can preload an instance of Konqueror, and both it and rekonq use shared QT anyway | Jul 31 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | so they're lightning fast to open | Jul 31 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | and don't have as much overhead as non-native apps | Jul 31 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately there's still this disease called Xulrunner | Jul 31 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | and distros still tend to depend on it | Jul 31 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | even though QT and GTK Webkit libraries are right there and part of the system anyway | Jul 31 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 31 05:53 |
| cubezzz3 | I worked on some mainframes that had less memory then that :) | Jul 31 05:54 |
| cubezzz3 | of course it was a long time ago | Jul 31 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 31 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | I actually have 8 GB of system RAM | Jul 31 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | and 1 GB on my GPU | Jul 31 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | which is complete overkill for Linux | Jul 31 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | but, I like overkill | Jul 31 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm good | Jul 31 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | actually, I'd call 3-4 GB the comfort zone | Jul 31 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | 8 GB is definitely overkill though | Jul 31 05:55 |
| cubezzz3 | some Cray's have 32 GB :) | Jul 31 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | RAM is cheap enough that it's typically not worth risking the system attacking the swap partition | Jul 31 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 31 05:56 |
| cubezzz3 | well I think low memory projects are interesting | Jul 31 05:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | my c2d has 8. so what. | Jul 31 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | I still have a SWAP partition though, because things can get cranky without one | Jul 31 05:56 |
| cubezzz3 | Linux isn't the slimmest OS, that's for sure | Jul 31 05:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz3: nope, not really. | Jul 31 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | MINIX :) | Jul 31 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | I used to play around with MINIX and an X server on my old 386 | Jul 31 05:58 |
| cubezzz3 | how much ram? | Jul 31 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | I also had a 486 Packard Bell with 16 MB of RAM | Jul 31 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | that was enough for MINIX, X, and Equinox | Jul 31 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | just barely, but that configuration did work | Jul 31 05:58 |
| cubezzz3 | how much ram on the 386? | Jul 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's actually possible to build and use Firefox on MINIX, but obviously the 486 couldn't handle that | Jul 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | 4 MB on the 386 | Jul 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah, X wasn't exactly all kinds of useful | Jul 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | but Arachne worked :) | Jul 31 05:59 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah that's pretty small ram | Jul 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | and had a built in MP3 player | Jul 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 05:59 |
| DaemonFC | Arachne was cool as all hell for people with an ancient PC who didn't want to fuss around with X | Jul 31 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's still around, but it's like, why botehr? :P | Jul 31 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | *bother | Jul 31 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | the 486 also handled Slackware pretty well as I recall | Jul 31 06:02 |
| cubezzz3 | I might try MenuetOS | Jul 31 06:02 |
| cubezzz3 | AROS was disappointing | Jul 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | I got it as a floppy disk set with a book | Jul 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | Linux tended to handle ISA modems just fine | Jul 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | it was when those PCI winmodem things came out you ran into trouble | Jul 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | I actually unloaded like $90 on a ZOOM 56.6k modem with onboard DSP | Jul 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | because that's what Mandrake Linux liked :) | Jul 31 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz3: Staples and Best Buy used to be kind of cool | Jul 31 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | they carried non-Microsoft stuff | Jul 31 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | like box sets of Linux | Jul 31 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | and Star Office | Jul 31 06:03 |
| cubezzz3 | huh, not lately they haven't | Jul 31 06:03 |
| cubezzz3 | at least not around here | Jul 31 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's how I got my dad off of MS Office btw | Jul 31 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 31 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed they had Star Office there without a price tag on it | Jul 31 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | and it rang up for a penny | Jul 31 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | so Star Office it was B-) | Jul 31 06:04 |
| DaemonFC | My dad ended up using Windows NT for years just because Thomson had a deal wit hMicrosoft for thousands of site licenses | Jul 31 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | the last time he had used unix, it was actual System V UNIX | Jul 31 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 31 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | so he comes downstairs one day like this must have been about 12 years ago now | Jul 31 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | and I was formatting over Windows 98 | Jul 31 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | and he had a shit fit then got to playing around with Mandrake | Jul 31 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | and liked it :P | Jul 31 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | Mandrake actually had a system like WUBI back in 1998 | Jul 31 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | where you could install into a loopmounted file system on top of FAT 32 to try it out | Jul 31 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | so Linux saw Ext2, but it was really in an enormous file on your FAT32 partition | Jul 31 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | what could go wrong, right? | Jul 31 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | it was slow as hell but no live CDs back then | Jul 31 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | so it was the only way to try stuff out without nuking Windows | Jul 31 06:08 |
| cubezzz3 | well go ahead and nuke windows | Jul 31 06:08 |
| DaemonFC | and at that point in time the installer wasn't very helpful and I ended up with both GNOME and KDE | Jul 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | because I had no idea which one I wanted :P | Jul 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | What's GNOME? It's a desktop environment with a panel! | Jul 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | What's KDE? It's a desktop environment right? With a PANEL!!! | Jul 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | hell, give me both | Jul 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 31 06:09 |
| cubezzz3 | twm | Jul 31 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | oh I think I got fluxbox and fvvm and a bunch of other crap | Jul 31 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | just to try them all out and see what I wanted to use | Jul 31 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | and GNOME was ruled out almost instantly | Jul 31 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | because GNOME 1 was epic fail | Jul 31 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | even worse than GNOME 2 ever thought about being | Jul 31 06:10 |
| DaemonFC | so that kind of left me using KDE | Jul 31 06:10 |
| cubezzz3 | you used KDE 1.0? | Jul 31 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 31 06:11 |
| cubezzz3 | oh yeah I used Unix System V | Jul 31 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME always seems to be fairly boring and ugly and outdated for the time period | Jul 31 06:12 |
| cubezzz3 | it wasn't FOSS though back then | Jul 31 06:12 |
| DaemonFC | if you handed me GNOME 2.30 5 years ago, I would have loved it | Jul 31 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | KDE was | Jul 31 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | QT wasn't | Jul 31 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | but thanks to RMS pitching a fit, we now have GNOME | Jul 31 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | and Mono | Jul 31 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | thanks! | Jul 31 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 06:13 |
| cubezzz3 | you don't need either | Jul 31 06:13 |
| DaemonFC | well, before they set out to do GNOME, there was a project to re-implement QT | Jul 31 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | called Harmony | Jul 31 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | and that fell apart almost immediately | Jul 31 06:14 |
| DaemonFC | I don't recall ever seeing an actual release of anything from that project | Jul 31 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | the idea was they could re-implement QT as FOSS and then rebuild KDE using that | Jul 31 06:15 |
| cubezzz3 | booting MenuetOS for the first time | Jul 31 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | the 64-bit edition is nonfree | Jul 31 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think it is freeware though | Jul 31 06:16 |
| cubezzz3 | 32-bit on 486 | Jul 31 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | right, the 32-bit one is GPL | Jul 31 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | I seem to remember seeing them running Quake on Minuet at one point | Jul 31 06:17 |
| cubezzz3 | uh oh | Jul 31 06:17 |
| cubezzz3 | not enough ram :-P | Jul 31 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | haha | Jul 31 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | not enough RAM? | Jul 31 06:17 |
| cubezzz3 | needs 32 megs | Jul 31 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | the thing is a miniature OS written in assembler! | Jul 31 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 31 06:17 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah I'm bummed | Jul 31 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | lib64kerfuffle4 | Jul 31 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | hahahaa | Jul 31 06:18 |
| DaemonFC | say that five times fast | Jul 31 06:18 |
| cubezzz3 | well Linux won after all | Jul 31 06:18 |
| cubezzz3 | note to self, MenuetOS needs minium 32 megs | Jul 31 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | meh | Jul 31 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | I still say use MINIX | Jul 31 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you want something interesting | Jul 31 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | MINIX 3 will run on that 486 | Jul 31 06:19 |
| DaemonFC | in 32-bit protected mode even | Jul 31 06:19 |
| cubezzz3 | so does Linux | Jul 31 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | you wanted something minimal though | Jul 31 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | and well-built I assume? | Jul 31 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | MINIX is more reliable than Linux | Jul 31 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | crashing drivers cannot kill the system | Jul 31 06:20 |
| cubezzz3 | 2.2 is pretty stable though | Jul 31 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | the reaper resurrects them | Jul 31 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | you'll never even know anything happened | Jul 31 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 06:21 |
| cubezzz3 | it's just a test system | Jul 31 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | if I had a system with <32 megs and a 486 | Jul 31 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | I'd use MINIX | Jul 31 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | in preference to old Linux | Jul 31 06:21 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah but can MINIX do plip? | Jul 31 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | my KDE 4.5 RC3 is almost finished installing | Jul 31 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 06:22 |
| cubezzz3 | hey, just had a thought | Jul 31 06:23 |
| cubezzz3 | I can ssh into the vector box from the 486 | Jul 31 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | MINIX is more BSD-ish | Jul 31 06:23 |
| cubezzz3 | use the CRT | Jul 31 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | the system is a complete OS | Jul 31 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | X is an add-on package | Jul 31 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | Equinox is an add-on package | Jul 31 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | but the base system is a fully functional OS | Jul 31 06:24 |
| snakeye | I use 4.4.5 in archlinux, runs great | Jul 31 06:24 |
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| cubezzz3 | yeah well text mode runs great on the 486 ;-) | Jul 31 06:28 |
| schestowitz | yet another leaving conectiva/mandriva http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-07/msg00471.php | Jul 31 06:34 |
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| DaemonFC | yay | Jul 31 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't kill my system | Jul 31 06:35 |
| cubezzz3 | I got a nice setup now | Jul 31 06:37 |
| cubezzz3 | 2.2, 2.4, and 2.6 systems all at my fingertips | Jul 31 06:37 |
| cubezzz3 | Minix 3.0 needs a working cdrom drive | Jul 31 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | Konqueror has picked up some standards compliance apparently | Jul 31 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | it scores higher on ACID 3 | Jul 31 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | and it seems to be loading pages faster | Jul 31 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | it beats Firefox 3.6 on Sunspider | Jul 31 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Jul 31 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | Flash is busted though | Jul 31 06:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfi7NIQDuLI | Jul 31 06:50 |
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| schestowitz | :-D | Jul 31 06:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 31/7/2010: 2011 Desktop Summit Planned http://techrights.org/2010/07/31/desktop-summit-planned/ | Jul 31 06:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #Ubuntu - #GNOME Debate Carries On http://ur1.ca/0xtjq Links to some of the latest takes on Canonical's participation in GNOME | Jul 31 07:09 | |
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| DaemonFC | "If you show up with a couple of graphic designers, anyone who’s passed Media Relations 101, and a bit of cash, you can pretty much win by default, which is what Ubuntu did." | Jul 31 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | I like that | Jul 31 07:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] 3Dtin http://www.3dtin.com #html5 #canvas | Jul 31 07:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's #1 Cash Cow Doesn't Sell Well Anymore, Steve Ballmer Pressured to Leave http://ur1.ca/0xtmj | Jul 31 07:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Aside from Konqueror 4.5 not loading Flash, which is a known bug, 4.5 RC3 is good so far | Jul 31 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | haven't had anything fail on me yet | Jul 31 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | other than that :P | Jul 31 07:45 |
| schestowitz | That's a feature, not a bug | Jul 31 07:47 |
| schestowitz | [07:44] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: Aside from Konqueror 4.5 not loading Flash | Jul 31 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | well, it loads it | Jul 31 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | and plays sound | Jul 31 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | but no video | Jul 31 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | just a big black box | Jul 31 07:48 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: what alarms me is that Firefox has all these security flaws getting patched and Mandriva is always a couple releases behind | Jul 31 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | good thing there's third party repos | Jul 31 08:07 |
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| DaemonFC | it turns out that they created a vulnerability in 3.6.7 when they were patching one in 3.6.6 | Jul 31 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | and that's why 3.8.8 is out | Jul 31 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Some might be Windows-only vulns | Jul 31 08:12 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla symbolically ships to keep numbers in alignment across distros | Jul 31 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20status1.9.2%3A.7-fixed | Jul 31 08:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bugzilla is pondering your search .::. Size~: 142.83 KB | Jul 31 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's 3.6.7 bugs fixed | Jul 31 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | 4 of the scurity bugs are listed as ALL platforms | Jul 31 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | 1 is exclusive to Linux | Jul 31 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | 5 are exclusive to Windows | Jul 31 08:14 |
| DaemonFC | and 1 is exclusive to OS X | Jul 31 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | one of the ones that affects ALL enables XSS attacks | Jul 31 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 08:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL%20status1.9.2%3A.8-fixed | Jul 31 08:15 |
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| DaemonFC | and the 1 security bug they patched in 3.6.8 was ALL | Jul 31 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | but they created that with 3.6.7 | Jul 31 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: XSS attacks can turn web browsers into an effective botnet | Jul 31 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | you do know that right? | Jul 31 08:16 |
| DaemonFC | gaining access to the OS might not even be an objective of the attack | Jul 31 08:18 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524223 | Jul 31 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bug 524223 – Cross-domain data theft using CSS .::. Size~: 172.85 KB | Jul 31 08:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Puts #Microsoft Tax and #Microsoft Code in Android and in #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/0xtvp #mono #suse | Jul 31 08:19 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Techrights » Novell Puts Microsoft Tax and Microsoft Code in Android and in GNU/Linux .::. Size~: 97.96 KB | Jul 31 08:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/28/high-frequency-trading-personal-finance-programmer-pay.html | Jul 31 08:25 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: High-Frequency Programmers Revolt Over Pay - Forbes.com .::. Size~: 25.97 KB | Jul 31 08:25 |
| schestowitz | Greedy gits | Jul 31 08:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10790648 | Jul 31 08:27 |
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| cubezzz3 | 6 figures just isn't enough eh? :) | Jul 31 08:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/scavenger/detail?entry_id=68992 | Jul 31 08:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Scavenger : Woman's nude pics end up on Web after call to Dell tech rep .::. Size~: 62.08 KB | Jul 31 08:29 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: nope | Jul 31 08:29 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: I was once approached with such wages, but they sent me a Word doc | Jul 31 08:29 |
| schestowitz | THat was like 4 years ago | Jul 31 08:29 |
| cubezzz3 | online trader? you? :) | Jul 31 08:29 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 31 08:29 |
| schestowitz | Those firms are evil | Jul 31 08:29 |
| schestowitz | But they tried to set me up with an inteeview for once | Jul 31 08:30 |
| ziggyfish | I wonder what the register means when they say this: | Jul 31 08:30 |
| ziggyfish | Mono Tools for Visual Studio 2.0 comes as a Professional Edition priced $99 for individuals, Enterprise Edition for one developer in an organization priced $249, and Ultimate Edition for $2,499 that includes a limited commercial license to redistribute Mono on Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X and comes with five enterprise developer licenses. | Jul 31 08:30 |
| schestowitz | I cancelled it | Jul 31 08:30 |
| schestowitz | ziggyfish: it's proprietary | Jul 31 08:30 |
| cubezzz3 | many people are greedy though | Jul 31 08:30 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: the hedge funds have secretive firms coding for them | Jul 31 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Like this one: http://www.gresearch.co.uk/ | Jul 31 08:31 |
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| cubezzz3 | RMS is a major aberration, fortunately for all of us | Jul 31 08:31 |
| ziggyfish | more specific | Jul 31 08:31 |
| ziggyfish | includes a limited commercial license to redistribute Mono on Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X | Jul 31 08:31 |
| cubezzz3 | online leecher is more accurate | Jul 31 08:32 |
| cubezzz3 | they couldn't care less about any company really | Jul 31 08:32 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2010/07/whats-wrong-with-the-american-university-system/60458/ | Jul 31 08:32 |
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| DaemonFC | OpenSuse has never seemed all that solid to me | Jul 31 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | more like top heavy crash prone bloatware | Jul 31 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 08:33 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: RMS never finished his PhD | Jul 31 08:33 |
| schestowitz | Is he still living in MIT campus? | Jul 31 08:33 |
| DaemonFC | Yast makes even the simplest system operations into brain surgery | Jul 31 08:33 |
| cubezzz3 | I think so, he lives all over the place | Jul 31 08:33 |
| schestowitz | He used to live/sleep in the lab there | Jul 31 08:33 |
| cubezzz3 | he still talks about not having a home | Jul 31 08:33 |
| schestowitz | What is home really? | Jul 31 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | then there's this fringe benefit that using Mandriva, you get FGLRX DKMS support with ATI's Catalyst installer | Jul 31 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | with OpenSuse, you get to crash into a console every time X or the kernel changes | Jul 31 08:34 |
| cubezzz3 | usually home is where you sleep most of the time :) | Jul 31 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Ancient men before villages dwelled in caves and moved based on weather | Jul 31 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I'd argue that Ubuntu is giving the shit end of the stick to ATI users | Jul 31 08:35 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: sleep is only about a quarter-to-third of one's life | Jul 31 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | by never upgrading their officially supported FGLRX driver | Jul 31 08:35 |
| cubezzz3 | I sleep 9 hours a day, and every now and then I go 24 hours straight | Jul 31 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | depending on how long it's been since the last version you could be 6-7 months behind on Catalyst | Jul 31 08:36 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: sleep for 24 hours?!?! | Jul 31 08:36 |
| cubezzz3 | 24 hours working not sleeping :) | Jul 31 08:36 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Jul 31 08:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't think I ever managed to sleep more than about 10, when I was young | Jul 31 08:36 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah 10 is too much | Jul 31 08:36 |
| DaemonFC | I've slept for almost an entire day before | Jul 31 08:36 |
| schestowitz | I know people to whom 10 is quite normal, at least for weekends | Jul 31 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | but that was after a 60-some hour work week | Jul 31 08:37 |
| cubezzz3 | sure, hospital staff, I can believe it | Jul 31 08:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: but people in AMerica just work 9-5 :-) | Jul 31 08:37 |
| ziggyfish | I have slept for 14 hours once, | Jul 31 08:37 |
| schestowitz | So the myth goes anyway | Jul 31 08:37 |
| cubezzz3 | I can sleep more than 10 hours after working for 24 hours | Jul 31 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: not when you're salary | Jul 31 08:37 |
| cubezzz3 | one of my fellow programmers drinks like 4 litres of coke a day | Jul 31 08:38 |
| cubezzz3 | one day he drank 7 litres | Jul 31 08:38 |
| cubezzz3 | no joke | Jul 31 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Wow | Jul 31 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | how many kidney transplants has he had? | Jul 31 08:38 |
| schestowitz | /. didn't link to the Ubuntu rants | Jul 31 08:38 |
| cubezzz3 | he ended up in the hospital though | Jul 31 08:38 |
| schestowitz | It did, however, link to Ubuntu's defence only: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/07/30/1855203/Tribalism-Is-the-Enemy-Within-Says-Shuttleworth | Jul 31 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Linux Story | Tribalism Is the Enemy Within, Says Shuttleworth .::. Size~: 161.11 KB | Jul 31 08:38 |
| schestowitz | Only one link -- to the defense | Jul 31 08:38 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: serves him right | Jul 31 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | those CDs they send out say they are "promotional materials" | Jul 31 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jul 31 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | always have | Jul 31 08:39 |
| schestowitz | Too much of particular chemicals can't be synthesised. Same with water... can lead to poisoning cause the body can't keep up | Jul 31 08:39 |
| cubezzz3 | I drink Ocean Spray juice, it's pretty sugary though | Jul 31 08:39 |
| cubezzz3 | 38 grams per serving | Jul 31 08:39 |
| cubezzz3 | they say no sugar added, but... | Jul 31 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Define sugar | Jul 31 08:40 |
| schestowitz | You have 6 compounds | Jul 31 08:40 |
| cubezzz3 | I'll check the bottle... | Jul 31 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Amino acids, fatty acids, carbs, vitamins, minerals, and water | Jul 31 08:40 |
| schestowitz | Table sugar is just one composition of carbs | Jul 31 08:40 |
| schestowitz | So they can just shove something else in and say, "no sugar | Jul 31 08:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like, "I can't believe it's not butter" | Jul 31 08:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.icantbelieveitsnotbutter.com/Products/Original.aspx | Jul 31 08:41 |
| cubezzz3 | cranberry & mixed berry | Jul 31 08:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: I Can't Believe It's Not Butter!® - Original Soft Spread .::. Size~: 20.39 KB | Jul 31 08:41 |
| schestowitz | Reminds me of GNU | Jul 31 08:41 |
| schestowitz | GNU is Not UNIX | Jul 31 08:41 |
| schestowitz | You define it by what it ain't | Jul 31 08:41 |
| cubezzz3 | I can't believe it's not Unix! | Jul 31 08:41 |
| schestowitz | NoSQL | Jul 31 08:41 |
| cubezzz3 | ;-) | Jul 31 08:42 |
| schestowitz | I can't believe it's not Unix!® even | Jul 31 08:42 |
| cubezzz3 | I can program all night on this stuff | Jul 31 08:42 |
| cubezzz3 | they say it's all-natural on the label | Jul 31 08:42 |
| schestowitz | all natual.. hehe | Jul 31 08:42 |
| schestowitz | Like the word "organic" | Jul 31 08:42 |
| schestowitz | THese words mean nothing | Jul 31 08:43 |
| schestowitz | They're marketing terms | Jul 31 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.3.0 | Jul 31 08:43 |
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| DaemonFC | - Beginnings of a user interface for the builtin Internet Explorer. | Jul 31 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Jul 31 08:43 |
| cubezzz3 | how many grams of sugar does Coke have per serving? | Jul 31 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | hehehe | Jul 31 08:43 |
| cubezzz3 | I think this stuff must be similar in sugar content | Jul 31 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | DO NOT WANT! | Jul 31 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 08:43 |
| schestowitz | There's a good analysis of that in http://skeptoid.com/episode_guide.php | Jul 31 08:44 |
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| cubezzz3 | 40 grams | Jul 31 08:44 |
| cubezzz3 | wow, this is sugary fruit juice | Jul 31 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | - New builtin wscript.exe (Windows Script Host) program. | Jul 31 08:44 |
| cubezzz3 | almost as sugary as Coca-Cola | Jul 31 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | does this mean you can now use Wine to run your vbs viruses? | Jul 31 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10280 | Jul 31 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WineHQ Bugzilla – Bug 10280 – Oblivion: Horse Armor Crash .::. Size~: 64.72 KB | Jul 31 08:46 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, I hate vbs. | Jul 31 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | wscript handles vbs | Jul 31 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | and jscript | Jul 31 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 31 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | fun fun fun | Jul 31 08:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=257908 | Jul 31 08:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: News: PS3 Firmware 3.41 causing HDD problems - ComputerAndVideoGames.com .::. Size~: 294.88 KB | Jul 31 08:47 |
| ziggyfish | DaemonFC, however VB tastes good, it's a shame about the language is not as much fun | Jul 31 08:47 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft ruined it | Jul 31 08:47 |
| schestowitz | BASIC is not Microsoft's | Jul 31 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | VD# | Jul 31 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | STD in Managed Code | Jul 31 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 08:48 |
| cubezzz3 | didn't they rip-off some mini-computer basic early on? | Jul 31 08:48 |
| ziggyfish | I remember spending weeks trying to solve a vbs problem | Jul 31 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | you traced it back to clicking the wrong thing with your mouse 5 steps back? | Jul 31 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jul 31 08:49 |
| ziggyfish | pretty much, tracked it back to an issue the documentation being wrong | Jul 31 08:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23535 | Jul 31 08:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WineHQ Bugzilla – Bug 23535 – Fallout 3: no sound in childbirth scene if alsa driver is used .::. Size~: 25.33 KB | Jul 31 08:50 |
| ziggyfish | I don't know if that's such a bad issue, a baby with no sound | Jul 31 08:51 |
| ziggyfish | :D | Jul 31 08:51 |
| cubezzz3 | Allen used Harvard's PDP computer to help write BASIC | Jul 31 08:52 |
| ziggyfish | The original BASIC was designed in 1964 by John George Kemeny and Thomas Eugene Kurtz at Dartmouth College in New Hampshire, USA to provide computer access to non-science students | Jul 31 08:52 |
| ziggyfish | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC | Jul 31 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BASIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 100.26 KB | Jul 31 08:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Just made a small QT-Guied Audio recorder which basically call ffmpeg to record audio. | Jul 31 08:54 | |
| cubezzz3 | there's a reference to Gates' dumpster diving somewhere | Jul 31 08:55 |
| cubezzz3 | it may have been OS code, not BASIC code though | Jul 31 08:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell gives to #ubuntu http://ur1.ca/0xu2i but is it doing enough? http://ur1.ca/0xu2j | Jul 31 08:59 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell release OpenManage Server Administrator for Ubuntu - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.61 KB | Jul 31 08:59 |
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| ziggyfish | cubezzz3, if i remember correctly it was qdos | Jul 31 08:59 |
| cubezzz3 | found an interesting quote: | Jul 31 08:59 |
| cubezzz3 | "Interviewer: Is studying computer science the best way to prepare to be a programmer? | Jul 31 09:00 |
| cubezzz3 | Bill Gates: No. the best way to prepare is to write programs, and to study great programs that other people have written. In my case, I went to the garbage cans at the Computer Science Center and I fished out listings of their operating system. You got to be willing to read other people's code, then write your own, then have other people review your code. You've got to want to be in this incredible feedback loop where you get the world-class people | Jul 31 09:00 |
| cubezzz3 | to tell you what you're doing wrong." | Jul 31 09:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #gnu #linux still does well in India. "Simmtronics SDC 2711S comes preloaded with Ubuntu." http://ur1.ca/0xu2m | Jul 31 09:00 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Techtree.com India > News > Consumer Electronics > Simmtronics Rolls Out Slim Desktop PCs .::. Size~: 37.72 KB | Jul 31 09:00 |
| cubezzz3 | find the book "Programmers at Work"" | Jul 31 09:00 |
| cubezzz3 | he's quoted in there | Jul 31 09:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Dell repositions love for #Ubuntu http://www.desktopreview.com/default.asp?newsID=1166 | Jul 31 09:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dell Adds Linux Desktop PCs, But Stops Web Sales of Linux Laptops .::. Size~: 52.63 KB | Jul 31 09:01 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: his code still belongs in the trash :-) | Jul 31 09:02 |
| cubezzz3 | not even his code nowadays | Jul 31 09:03 |
| cubezzz3 | well, not written by him | Jul 31 09:03 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, I wish they would offer those desktops in Australia, | Jul 31 09:04 |
| cubezzz3 | should be able to get the pdf file :) | Jul 31 09:05 |
| amarsh04 | I didn't realise that you were in .au ziggyfish. which state/territory of .au? | Jul 31 09:06 |
| ziggyfish | qld | Jul 31 09:07 |
| amarsh04 | ah ok, I'm in Adelaide metro area | Jul 31 09:09 |
| ziggyfish | maybe julia gillard should spend more money on getting Linux desktops into Australia rather than spending it on crap new car schemes | Jul 31 09:10 |
| ziggyfish | maybe tony abbott will do better | Jul 31 09:12 |
| amarsh04 | hehehe... that's why people were wanting Kate Lundy to replace Stephen Conroy | Jul 31 09:12 |
| cubezzz3 | http://programmersatwork.wordpress.com/bill-gates-1986/ | Jul 31 09:12 |
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| ziggyfish | amarsh04, no good she's Labor, we need a liberal | Jul 31 09:14 |
| cubezzz3 | the garbage can comment is there btw | Jul 31 09:15 |
| amarsh04 | I haven't met many federal politicians of any party whom seem to believe in Free Software | Jul 31 09:16 |
| cubezzz3 | schestowitz, take note :) | Jul 31 09:16 |
| ziggyfish | brb, need food | Jul 31 09:16 |
| cubezzz3 | by 1986 Gates says he doesn't write code | Jul 31 09:17 |
| cubezzz3 | "But since I worked on the IBM PC BASIC and the Model 100, I haven’t had a chance to actually create a program myself." | Jul 31 09:18 |
| cubezzz3 | this is the model 100 he's referring to: | Jul 31 09:20 |
| cubezzz3 | http://oldcomputers.net/trs100.html | Jul 31 09:20 |
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| cubezzz3 | what? | Jul 31 09:30 |
| cubezzz3 | darn it | Jul 31 09:30 |
| cubezzz3 | meh, oh well, I'll fix that later | Jul 31 09:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.neary-consulting.com/index.php/2010/07/29/gnome-census-report-now-available-as-free-download/ | Jul 31 09:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Neary Consulting » GNOME Census report now available as free download .::. Size~: 16.39 KB | Jul 31 09:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "But since I worked on the IBM PC BASIC and the Model 100, I haven’t had a chance to actually create a program myself." --Bill Gates | Jul 31 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: did Jobs code? | Jul 31 09:37 |
| schestowitz | I know Woz did, but Jobs..? | Jul 31 09:37 |
| cubezzz3 | I doubt it | Jul 31 09:38 |
| cubezzz3 | he was the sales guy mostly | Jul 31 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Oracle and Google were also made by developers AFAIK | Jul 31 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Though I don't know Larry Page's first degree | Jul 31 09:38 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: can you find out about Jobs. | Jul 31 09:38 |
| cubezzz3 | I'll see what I can find | Jul 31 09:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Bill Gates was never a developer (he was laughed at by Microsoft when he tried), but I can't find evidence that Steve Jobs never coded... | Jul 31 09:40 | |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: I think they are just charlatans, like politicians | Jul 31 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer was laughed at too | Jul 31 09:40 |
| schestowitz | In the book I read the engineers said Ballmer just nodded | Jul 31 09:40 |
| cubezzz3 | no Gates could program I'd say | Jul 31 09:40 |
| schestowitz | Cause he didn't know what the developers were explaining to him | Jul 31 09:41 |
| schestowitz | So he had to pretend to understand | Jul 31 09:41 |
| cubezzz3 | when he stopped programming he probably got rusty and out-of-date | Jul 31 09:41 |
| schestowitz | It's interesting how Page got grey hair even in his late 20s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Larry_Page_in_the_European_Parliament,_17.06.2009.jpg | Jul 31 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | It's unusual | Jul 31 09:42 |
| cubezzz3 | not at all... | Jul 31 09:42 |
| cubezzz3 | I knew a guy who was 18 who had big patches of grey hair | Jul 31 09:42 |
| cubezzz3 | probably genetic | Jul 31 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Page has a master's of science from Oxford University. | Jul 31 09:43 |
| cubezzz3 | well yes it's unusual :) | Jul 31 09:43 |
| cubezzz3 | but not unheard of | Jul 31 09:43 |
| schestowitz | "According to Forbes he and Sergey Brin are currently tied as the 24th richest person in the world with a personal wealth of US$17.5 billion in 2010." | Jul 31 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Page is the low-profile one | Jul 31 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Brin likes to go public a lot more | Jul 31 09:44 |
| schestowitz | But both developed some programs | Jul 31 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Not sure about Page yet... | Jul 31 09:44 |
| cubezzz3 | Google guys yes? | Jul 31 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh, oops | Jul 31 09:45 |
| schestowitz | The masters is his wife's, not his | Jul 31 09:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Myhrvold patent firm pops up in Vlingo-Nuance legal dispute - http://bit.ly/afhKLC sells patents to litigants (via @zoobab @AlexanderSpuntz) | Jul 31 09:45 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Myhrvold patent firm pops up in Vlingo-Nuance legal dispute .::. Size~: 61.13 KB | Jul 31 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Ellison worked for the government | Jul 31 09:45 |
| cubezzz3 | interesting story schestowitz, re: Jobs | Jul 31 09:47 |
| cubezzz3 | Jobs had a job at Atari, and they told him to design a circuit board | Jul 31 09:47 |
| cubezzz3 | in reality, Jobs got Woz to do the work | Jul 31 09:47 |
| schestowitz | Back in the days when h/w was closer to s/w | Jul 31 09:48 |
| cubezzz3 | he's mostly a manipulator of people | Jul 31 09:48 |
| schestowitz | You had to build machines | Jul 31 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Not play with SDKs | Jul 31 09:48 |
| cubezzz3 | well, it's not been that way since 1978 :) | Jul 31 09:48 |
| schestowitz | My boss once told me this, when they had to make complex computer vision systems the hard way | Jul 31 09:48 |
| cubezzz3 | a very long time | Jul 31 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Programmers had to have a lot more skills | Jul 31 09:49 |
| cubezzz3 | oh thats true | Jul 31 09:49 |
| cubezzz3 | I came in at the start of the "easy" era of computers | Jul 31 09:49 |
| cubezzz3 | squeezing my programs into 4K of ram | Jul 31 09:49 |
| schestowitz | ALtair is another example | Jul 31 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Wow, I didn't know about the word's origin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altair_%28disambiguation%29 | Jul 31 09:50 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] IP-University Forcing Student to Microsoft Word (Microsoft Operating System) http://post.ly/pZOq | Jul 31 09:50 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: IP-University Forcing Student to Microsoft Word (Microsoft Operating System) - LUG@IITD Community Blog .::. Size~: 27.45 KB | Jul 31 09:50 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: and 10k of hard drive | Jul 31 09:50 |
| schestowitz | or 1k of memory | Jul 31 09:50 |
| schestowitz | I pasted a link about it a few days ago | Jul 31 09:50 |
| cubezzz3 | no, the smallest hd was 5 meg :) | Jul 31 09:50 |
| cubezzz3 | unless you're going before microcomputers | Jul 31 09:50 |
| schestowitz | 1960s | Jul 31 09:50 |
| cubezzz3 | ok, then mini's | Jul 31 09:51 |
| schestowitz | The one video I saw was about it | Jul 31 09:51 |
| cubezzz3 | tessier's into old computer designs | Jul 31 09:52 |
| cubezzz3 | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/alan-kay-steve-jobs-ipad-iphone,10209.html | Jul 31 09:53 |
| schestowitz | In 2009 RMS was pretty heavy http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/Stallman_speech_about_copyright_vs_community_hi.ogv | Jul 31 09:53 |
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| cubezzz3 | he drinks Pepsi :) | Jul 31 09:54 |
| cubezzz3 | that will put the weight on | Jul 31 09:54 |
| cubezzz3 | I really doubt Jobs wrote any code at all | Jul 31 09:55 |
| cubezzz3 | one guy I know wrote a program while in IRC | Jul 31 09:58 |
| cubezzz3 | he sent me echo commands | Jul 31 09:58 |
| cubezzz3 | or cat, trying to remember | Jul 31 09:58 |
| cubezzz3 | and the program worked too :) | Jul 31 09:58 |
| cubezzz3 | actually it was printf | Jul 31 10:00 |
| cubezzz3 | here it the program: | Jul 31 10:00 |
| cubezzz3 | printf '\xb8\x13\x00\xcd\x10\xcd\x20' > mode13.com | Jul 31 10:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] An actively exploited security hole in Adobe Flash 10.0 r45 and earlier can compromise your computer. http://tinyurl.com/58lwc8 | Jul 31 10:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 31/7/2010: Dell’s Many Mysteries and Wine Development Release 1.3.0 http://techrights.org/2010/07/31/wine-development-release/ | Jul 31 10:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Open letter to abolish software patents in Australia http://ur1.ca/0r1sw | Jul 31 10:07 | |
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| schestowitz | amarsh04: ziggyfish Aussies only can sign this: http://apps.softwarefreedom.com.au/patents/ | Jul 31 10:08 |
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| DaemonFC | r45 was the last 64-bit Flash 10 build | Jul 31 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Jul 31 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | before they dropped it? | Jul 31 10:08 |
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| schestowitz | I'm quitting Flash | Jul 31 10:09 |
| cubevector | boo | Jul 31 10:09 |
| schestowitz | I have lots of oggs out there | Jul 31 10:09 |
| schestowitz | Many sites like scriptd dump Trash too | Jul 31 10:09 |
| cubezzz3 | flash sux | Jul 31 10:10 |
| cubezzz3 | but I'd still like to try gnash and the other ones | Jul 31 10:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Digital Economy Act: users and ISPs hit by Ofcom Code - http://bit.ly/bxcJaM more analysis and criticism #deact #uk | Jul 31 10:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Where competition is allowed to be stifled because these same corporations have collected thousands of software patents http://ur1.ca/0xui5 | Jul 31 10:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Replace R&D by P&L: This is money that could be used to create jobs, grow companies and to invest in R&D http://ur1.ca/0xuj2 | Jul 31 10:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Gov't - "too expensive" to upgrade from IE6 - http://bit.ly/df4HoJ good analysis from @rupertg #ukgov #ie #browsers | Jul 31 10:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Bloomsbury to e-publish one-million page Churchill archive - http://bit.ly/cbV1BP now *that's* an interesting development for #publishing | Jul 31 10:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] American Psychological Association claims to pay for peer review. Should we send them a bill? - http://bit.ly/coM7Sl I noticed this FUD too | Jul 31 10:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Publisher argues free access to research violates administration's transparency initiative - http://bit.ly/a2MjQW nice Jesuitical casuistry | Jul 31 10:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Master Planner: Fred Brooks Shows How to Design Anything - http://bit.ly/8Y93Fu Mythical Man-Month man: "identify your scarcest resource" | Jul 31 11:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How WikiLeaks Could Change the Way Reporters Deal With Secrets - http://bit.ly/96qJLN interesting analysis of increasingly tricky area | Jul 31 11:14 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | wow what a flip | Jul 31 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | its "too expensive" to run linux, yet its free | Jul 31 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | now its "too expensive" to upgrade from ie6 | Jul 31 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is ALSO free | Jul 31 11:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | and ie6 is officially unsupported by microsoft now too | Jul 31 11:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Whale fossil stuck in Egypt customs wrangle - http://bit.ly/9PFFfJ "retained tiny feet, a useless reminder of its #evolution" #whales | Jul 31 11:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Carry Windows Malware around in your pocket! Yet another #windows vulnerability! http://tinyurl.com/29dua73 #mvpbuzz #mvp | Jul 31 11:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Links 31/7/2010: Dell’s Many Mysteries and Wine Development Release 1.3.0 http://bit.ly/agmkcH ... | Jul 31 11:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] ♺ @Kletskous: Ubuntu in Trouw: http://ur1.ca/0xuk4 | Jul 31 11:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Vanavond op TV: Madonna Sticky & Sweet, Nederland 3, 22:45 uur. http://tinyurl.com/2dvdxhu | Jul 31 11:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] On way to the Slip End fete. | Jul 31 12:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/1fbuhv Arrived! | Jul 31 12:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/1fbupy | Jul 31 12:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Java is messing with my server. First OOM. Now crashed MySQL. Hrmbl. | Jul 31 12:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/1fbuw6 | Jul 31 12:34 | |
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| MinceR | perhaps they have crap webapps that only work with ie6 | Jul 31 12:53 |
| MinceR | and those would be "too expensive" to upgrade | Jul 31 12:53 |
| MinceR | o hai | Jul 31 12:54 |
| Ziomatrix | hey | Jul 31 12:57 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: who has crap webapps? | Jul 31 12:57 |
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| sebsebseb | MinceR: oh | Jul 31 13:03 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: whats the link for that? | Jul 31 13:03 |
| MinceR | 111800 -BNtwitter:#boycottnovell- [glynmoody] UK Gov't - "too expensive" to upgrade from IE6 - http://bit.ly/df4HoJ good analysis from @rupertg #ukgov #ie #browsers | Jul 31 13:04 |
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| sebsebseb | Happy Birthday to me | Jul 31 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | Happy Birthday to me | Jul 31 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | except its a mixture of yes and no to that one since.... ,but not going to talk about that in here | Jul 31 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | altough I could | Jul 31 13:05 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: well thats Beaurocracy for ya, their budgets are based on last year projections so planned upgrades can only be made years past the upgrade's relevence | Jul 31 13:06 |
| MinceR | hm, the article seems to say the same thing :> | Jul 31 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Why Chiropocrisy [sic] is a scam http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&pid=91 http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=2&pid=92 | Jul 31 13:16 |
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| schestowitz | daemonfc visits those people :-) | Jul 31 13:17 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: what is Chiropocrisy, never heard of it :-P | Jul 31 13:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Hate phones? Video Skype is *much worse*. Demanded by grandparents, though. Freda loved being on telly! Don't ask for my Skype. | Jul 31 13:21 | |
| MinceR | http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-israel-has-crept-into-the-eu-without-anyone-noticing-2040066.html | Jul 31 13:23 |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: indeed | Jul 31 13:24 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: nobody cares about how a former Wafen SS and former sectarian fighter in the Balkans became president of a fully integrated EU memberstate | Jul 31 13:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Jul 31 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | can I do that? | Jul 31 13:28 |
| *Diablo-D3 totally wants to do that | Jul 31 13:28 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I bet I can even get PAID to do that | Jul 31 13:28 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: about Jobs http://twitter.com/Radar_tty/statuses/19979253958 "He was a typography specialist,only course he completed:), and contributed it in mac systems" | Jul 31 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | I'll say, "I heard from someone that he had Woz do some of the work for him" | Jul 31 13:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait | Jul 31 13:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | what? | Jul 31 13:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | I heard someone say Woz | Jul 31 13:33 |
| MinceR | yes, we laugh at him from time to time | Jul 31 13:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | aww | Jul 31 13:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | Woz is cool though | Jul 31 13:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | he jumped ship when Apple started sucking | Jul 31 13:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | the EXACT moment of it | Jul 31 13:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | so like... the late 80s? early 90s? | Jul 31 13:34 |
| MinceR | he doesn't understand free software or what phones are for | Jul 31 13:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Jul 31 13:34 |
| MinceR | he thinks free software is about being gratis and he believes a phone is innovative and great even if you also have to carry a real phone that connects to another telco as a "backup" | Jul 31 13:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | _I_ dont understand what phones are for | Jul 31 13:34 |
| MinceR | that guy is a joke | Jul 31 13:35 |
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| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck would you willingly have a device on your person so people can annoy the fuck out of you | Jul 31 13:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @_goblin Carry Windows Malware around in your pocket! Yet another #windows vulnerability! http://tinyurl.com/29dua73 #mvpbuzz #mvp | Jul 31 13:35 | |
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| MinceR | well, if all your communications ever are annoying then there might be no point to it | Jul 31 13:35 |
| MinceR | but mine aren't :> | Jul 31 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | communications in general are annoying | Jul 31 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just varying levels of annoyingness that differenciates them | Jul 31 13:36 |
| MinceR | then you should quit irc | Jul 31 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but then I couldnt tell you guys to go fuck yourself | Jul 31 13:37 |
| MinceR | btw, that joke didn't jump ship the exact moment crApple started sucking | Jul 31 13:37 |
| MinceR | he was several years late | Jul 31 13:37 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: happy birthdat | Jul 31 13:38 |
| MinceR | he was up to 7 years late, in fact | Jul 31 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no | Jul 31 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | he jumped ship | Jul 31 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then FORMALLY jumped ship a few years later | Jul 31 13:38 |
| MinceR | bullshit | Jul 31 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: typo, but thanks | Jul 31 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think he wanted apple to survive really badly | Jul 31 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I dont blame him | Jul 31 13:38 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 31 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | early Apple really was nice | Jul 31 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the kind of company I wish I could work at | Jul 31 13:39 |
| MinceR | dunno about that | Jul 31 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: Chiropocrisy is the cult of these people called chiropractors | Jul 31 13:39 |
| MinceR | but i know that the crApple III was a piece of shit | Jul 31 13:39 |
| schestowitz | All 50k of them (in the US), inc. my cousin | Jul 31 13:39 |
| MinceR | and they switched to making idiot boxes with the Lisa and the Macintrash | Jul 31 13:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not that it was a "piece of shit" | Jul 31 13:39 |
| MinceR | and didn't turn back | Jul 31 13:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | its that it was a mistake | Jul 31 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Turns out they wanted to created a religion to get special protection from law | Jul 31 13:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the apple II line didnt have a future | Jul 31 13:39 |
| MinceR | computers did have a future, it's just that crApple wanted none of it | Jul 31 13:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the apple II line was too divergent to support the III | Jul 31 13:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | ie, the IIgs was amazing | Jul 31 13:39 |
| schestowitz | The only permitted form of quackery when you can actively tell lies and not have the FCC bust you up is religion | Jul 31 13:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: and no, the mac was kind of revolutionary | Jul 31 13:40 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 31 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it got SOME things right | Jul 31 13:40 |
| MinceR | not a revolution anyone with a brain would want | Jul 31 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | but, otoh | Jul 31 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | the amiga got some things right | Jul 31 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: quick pm? | Jul 31 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think if we took the things apple got right and what amiga got right | Jul 31 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | we might have a decent computer | Jul 31 13:40 |
| MinceR | we might find all the things they stole from xerox? | Jul 31 13:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | kind of | Jul 31 13:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | xerox told them to steal the ideas, anyhow | Jul 31 13:41 |
| MinceR | doesn't make the glory theirs though | Jul 31 13:41 |
| schestowitz | [13:35] <Diablo-D3> why the fuck would you willingly have a device on your person so people can annoy the fuck out of you | Jul 31 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Some people _DO_ need a mobile phone | Jul 31 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Not many | Jul 31 13:42 |
| MinceR | xerox did the hard work and the others pretended they invented the whole thing | Jul 31 13:42 |
| schestowitz | The ones that come to mind first are those who work from a car moving from one customer to another | Jul 31 13:42 |
| schestowitz | They need to coordinate timing on the move, without ability to predict and thus set a precise time | Jul 31 13:42 |
| MinceR | many people also need to coordinate their private lives | Jul 31 13:43 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: birth DAT!, man! | Jul 31 13:43 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: what about self-contracted employees, ones who need to keep a whole roster of contacts. I can imagine why even doctors today would need cellphones | Jul 31 13:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I reckon Woz wears two watches, one on each wrist | Jul 31 13:46 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: Apple =/= Amiga and cannot really approach the kind of mass that users demand today. | Jul 31 13:47 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: The Amiga OS was an innovational OS made during a time when many users were in fact developers in some capacity and liked an OS that didn't only look nice but also had a very easily accessable library along with drivers, and API ect. | Jul 31 13:50 |
| schestowitz | [13:43] <MinceR> many people also need to coordinate their private lives | Jul 31 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Like they did two decades ago | Jul 31 13:51 |
| schestowitz | They got along OK without Net/phone | Jul 31 13:51 |
| schestowitz | They actually *gasp* could touch people, not just text/IM them | Jul 31 13:51 |
| schestowitz | [13:46] <Ziomatrix> @schestowitz: what about self-contracted employees, ones who need to keep a whole roster of contacts. I can imagine why even doctors today would need cellphones | Jul 31 13:52 |
| schestowitz | You mean _their patients_ | Jul 31 13:52 |
| schestowitz | And the answer is clear | Jul 31 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Because when the doctor is asleep s/he wants to be woken up by some prick with a headache | Jul 31 13:52 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: The whole Workbench, ARexx experience where software and hardware were equally accessable to work with then even tie together. The whole AmigaOS model would be a major security SNAFU waiting to happen if it ever got signifigant marketshare. | Jul 31 13:52 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: its not only about the patients, doctors also need to have labs as well as medical equipment suppliers on call | Jul 31 13:53 |
| schestowitz | They have staff | Jul 31 13:53 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: what if they work for a hospital? | Jul 31 13:53 |
| schestowitz | They have clerical staff | Jul 31 13:54 |
| schestowitz | They have landlines/internal phone system | Jul 31 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Asterisk maybe | Jul 31 13:54 |
| schestowitz | Wireless meshing... | Jul 31 13:54 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: ok what if the doctor would like to know how a patient is doing in ICU while he is off the shift because he worked on that patient prior and would like to keep any other doctors checking up on them to know what he/she did? | Jul 31 13:55 |
| schestowitz | If he's off work? | Jul 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | When he's off, he's off | Jul 31 13:56 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: If a Veterinarian owns a animal hospital that also happens to be a kennel wouldn't they want to know from the staff if any dog or cat staying over night gets really ill? | Jul 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Some people I know work more than 60 hours/week | Jul 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | 40+travel/dressing up/answering calls off work, then thinking about work | Jul 31 13:56 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes people need to escape serving of one corporation | Jul 31 13:56 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: doctors are never quite "off" they're usually always on call in case of emergencies depending upon their hours and where they work as well as their specialization | Jul 31 13:57 |
| schestowitz | And not receive a call from the boss while on dinner with the spouse | Jul 31 13:57 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: tough luck, when you become a doctor you take an oath | Jul 31 13:57 |
| schestowitz | With the possession of a phone comes the EXPECTATION that it'll be switched off | Jul 31 13:57 |
| schestowitz | *on I mean | Jul 31 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I'm not a medical doctor | Jul 31 13:57 |
| schestowitz | I research | Jul 31 13:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] #IBM patent rhetoric against free and open source software innovation http://bit.ly/bj8tPj A #patent is not a hunting license. | Jul 31 13:58 | |
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| schestowitz | Phones interrupt | Jul 31 13:58 |
| schestowitz | It's not like mail | Jul 31 13:58 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: if you don't want to be disturbed you simply let people know. If you want to turn off your cellphone you tell them | Jul 31 13:58 |
| schestowitz | You don't choose when to attend it | Jul 31 13:58 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: thats the pros and cons of instant communication. You rather turn back the clock on progress? | Jul 31 13:58 |
| schestowitz | Some weeks ago I read the Bilski/SCOTUS transcripts in real time | Jul 31 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: so yeah goverment and IE 6, well nice comment to that :) | Jul 31 13:59 |
| schestowitz | I wanted to make a text version within minutes of it being released | Jul 31 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Then the phone rang | Jul 31 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: on the webpage | Jul 31 13:59 |
| schestowitz | And I wasted an hour on it | Jul 31 13:59 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, interesting http://apps.softwarefreedom.com.au/patents/ ,however an federal election is coming on the 21 of August, so I'm not sure whether it will make a difference | Jul 31 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | Posted the transcripts 40 minutes late | Jul 31 13:59 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: you do by telling the persons who will likely call you to not disturb you and critisize them if they do so they don't again. | Jul 31 13:59 |
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| schestowitz | [13:58] <Ziomatrix> @schestowitz: if you don't want to be disturbed you simply let people know. If you want to turn off your cellphone you tell them | Jul 31 13:59 |
| schestowitz | No. | Jul 31 13:59 |
| schestowitz | You can't | Jul 31 13:59 |
| schestowitz | That's impolite | Jul 31 13:59 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: so many seemingly technilogical and job related problems can be solved with the right attitude | Jul 31 14:00 |
| schestowitz | If you have no phone, you don't need excuses to begin with | Jul 31 14:00 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: whats impolite is someone calling you in the middle of dinner | Jul 31 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I got rid of my mobiles 7 years ago | Jul 31 14:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] You've all heard about @wikileaks but now there's another player in space: @WookieLeaks reveals the truth throughout the empire. | Jul 31 14:00 | |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: and that could happen with either a mobile or landline | Jul 31 14:00 |
| schestowitz | [13:58] <Ziomatrix> @schestowitz: thats the pros and cons of instant communication. You rather turn back the clock on progress? | Jul 31 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Some people need it | Jul 31 14:00 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: well i for one had a more difficult time coordinating my private life without a mobile phone | Jul 31 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't | Jul 31 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I said it earlier | Jul 31 14:00 |
| schestowitz | People who travel and have many clients in many places need these | Jul 31 14:01 |
| MinceR | and others | Jul 31 14:01 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: well thats your life, people who you're friends with and know you are aware of your expectations as well as schedule | Jul 31 14:01 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: what if someone you know is traveling abroad and is going somewhere where they may not have consistent access to a landline or time to write mail? | Jul 31 14:02 |
| schestowitz | [13:59] <Ziomatrix> @schestowitz: you do by telling the persons who will likely call you to not disturb you and critisize them if they do so they don't again. | Jul 31 14:02 |
| schestowitz | That's still offensive | Jul 31 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Trust me. Been there, done that | Jul 31 14:02 |
| schestowitz | I am /not/ gonna carry a device which, if it's turned off, people assume I might be harmed somehow | Jul 31 14:02 |
| schestowitz | I am not anti-mobile phones | Jul 31 14:03 |
| schestowitz | They have their place | Jul 31 14:03 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: well you got to be sometimes "offensive" in life to get your demands or even simple requests across. | Jul 31 14:03 |
| schestowitz | RFID too | Jul 31 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Just not on me :-) | Jul 31 14:03 |
| schestowitz | [14:00] <Ziomatrix> @schestowitz: whats impolite is someone calling you in the middle of dinner | Jul 31 14:03 |
| schestowitz | They don't know | Jul 31 14:03 |
| schestowitz | That's the thing | Jul 31 14:03 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: thats only if you turn it off without informing them, you can even tell them the batteries were low | Jul 31 14:03 |
| schestowitz | Don't get me started on phones going off in shows/theatre :0) | Jul 31 14:03 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: but they can still do it as easily with a landline unless you're eating out | Jul 31 14:04 |
| MinceR | rfid has its place -- in Faraday cages. | Jul 31 14:04 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: there is a reason most phones have a silent feature | Jul 31 14:04 |
| schestowitz | [14:03] <Ziomatrix> @schestowitz: well you got to be sometimes "offensive" in life to get your demands or even simple requests across. | Jul 31 14:05 |
| schestowitz | SOmetimes you can be less accessible rather than offensive | Jul 31 14:05 |
| schestowitz | [14:03] <Ziomatrix> @schestowitz: thats only if you turn it off without informing them, you can even tell them the batteries were low | Jul 31 14:05 |
| schestowitz | That's a lie | Jul 31 14:05 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: less accessible can be equally offensive if the person is not aware of the reasons | Jul 31 14:05 |
| schestowitz | If it applies in general, then it's not personal | Jul 31 14:06 |
| schestowitz | There are other reasons though | Jul 31 14:06 |
| schestowitz | Like surveillance, health, lack of simplicity (more things to keep track of)... | Jul 31 14:07 |
| schestowitz | RMS never had a mobile AFAIK and Linus only recently got one | Jul 31 14:07 |
| schestowitz | He too didn't want to be disturbed by them | Jul 31 14:07 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: but depending on the reasons for the person calling it could be urgent. | Jul 31 14:07 |
| schestowitz | What's urgent? | Jul 31 14:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Looking into the *gold* light helps alleviate excess gold in one's possession. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Color_therapy | Jul 31 14:08 | |
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| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: people today have an expectation to be able to easily reach those they appretiate. Do you want to deny them of that? | Jul 31 14:08 |
| schestowitz | Death of someone close is urgent, but there are roots of communicating this | Jul 31 14:08 |
| schestowitz | *routes | Jul 31 14:08 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: loved one gets sick or dies, someone got into a car accident, they need help in the middle of a gameshow | Jul 31 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: rarely time-sensitive | Jul 31 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Spouse -- maybe | Jul 31 14:09 |
| schestowitz | For instance | Jul 31 14:09 |
| schestowitz | When my grandma died I got an urgent message in my wiki to call (no reason given) | Jul 31 14:10 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: see, I don't object to your lifestyle of not choosing to own an immediate way of communicating on hand (ecspecially with the shape of pay phones these days) but your suggestion that it applies to X amount of others irks me | Jul 31 14:10 |
| schestowitz | I used Wiki several times a day to keep track of things, with written record too | Jul 31 14:10 |
| schestowitz | I could pass links too :-) | Jul 31 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Verbal communication lacks some things | Jul 31 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Can't search archives | Jul 31 14:10 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: but thats official records, what about personal? | Jul 31 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Rather than my sister giving me guidance on trains by phone she used IM, so I later pasted it into my Palm :-) | Jul 31 14:11 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: someone can say the same thing about speech vs text | Jul 31 14:11 |
| schestowitz | I can also index and search old comms | Jul 31 14:11 |
| amarsh04 | I've emailed RMS and received a reply within 24 hours, which is very good for a total stranger. I have to chase up some information for him. | Jul 31 14:11 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: no, I didn't impose it on others | Jul 31 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3 discards mobile phones, I agreed with him and said it's suitable for some other people, then I gave an example | Jul 31 14:12 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: you claim that only contractors or salespeople that travel really need cellphones | Jul 31 14:12 |
| amarsh04 | I'm continually amazed how much time others spend in "meetings" | Jul 31 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Ziomatrix: I try to avoid mobile phones. | Jul 31 14:13 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: RMS is a PR person :-p | Jul 31 14:13 |
| Ziomatrix | amarsh04: most people are very social creatures | Jul 31 14:13 |
| schestowitz | He travels the world so politely and charms everyone /weird sarcasm | Jul 31 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Most of my work is instant message and emails Ziomatrix | Jul 31 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Less distruptive | Jul 31 14:13 |
| oiaohm | I really don't have a use for a phone 90 percent of the time. | Jul 31 14:13 |
| schestowitz | Mobiles are good | Jul 31 14:14 |
| schestowitz | For the callers | Jul 31 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Laptop with internet connection far more useful. | Jul 31 14:14 |
| amarsh04 | I don't blame people who wish to avoid using mobile phones (or computers even) | Jul 31 14:14 |
| schestowitz | The ones that want to reach oiaohm | Jul 31 14:14 |
| schestowitz | Cause he's a sysadmin | Jul 31 14:14 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: yes like if you need to call 911 | Jul 31 14:14 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't want a phone, others do | Jul 31 14:14 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: or whatever three digits is used for UK citizens to call their emergency services | Jul 31 14:14 |
| schestowitz | 9s | Jul 31 14:14 |
| amarsh04 | 999 in .uk | Jul 31 14:14 |
| oiaohm | I have lower staff to answer calls and message me. schestowitz | Jul 31 14:15 |
| oiaohm | I don't need phone. | Jul 31 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: there are usually people around with a phone | Jul 31 14:15 |
| schestowitz | We need just a few | Jul 31 14:15 |
| schestowitz | Like medics :-) | Jul 31 14:15 |
| schestowitz | "need a medic" | Jul 31 14:15 |
| oiaohm | My office phone gets about 5 calls a year. | Jul 31 14:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO5oRTnO6EA | Jul 31 14:15 |
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| amarsh04 | my fixed line gets very few calls, but I make calls with it | Jul 31 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Mine got like 5 a day | Jul 31 14:16 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: and you always depend on that, even if your in the middle of a city amongst complete strangers? | Jul 31 14:16 |
| oiaohm | But my work email account gets about 200 business releated messages to direct on or deal with per day. | Jul 31 14:16 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: crime didn't decline, yet we have phones and CCTV | Jul 31 14:17 |
| oiaohm | And the there is the instant messaging from internal and external. | Jul 31 14:17 |
| schestowitz | More wires in the system don't always help | Jul 31 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Medical attention.. | Jul 31 14:17 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: I'm reffering to medical emergencies where cellphones have definitely boosted response time | Jul 31 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Well, that's a trickier one | Jul 31 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes we set up our own private jabber client long ago. | Jul 31 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes If I feel like it I can do voip over it. | Jul 31 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Note the if I feel like it. | Jul 31 14:18 |
| oiaohm | As a system admin the worst part is being yelled at. | Jul 31 14:18 |
| oiaohm | When things have gone wrong. | Jul 31 14:18 |
| oiaohm | By using jabber I can decide if I want to be on the recieving end. | Jul 31 14:19 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: the fact is you have to make an objectionable conscious stand on how much you want to accessible to constant communication, its not simply about avoiding | Jul 31 14:19 |
| amarsh04 | I wonder how some people manage to work themselves into jobs that are immune from scrutiny or criticism | Jul 31 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Ziomatrix: Biggest issue I have with mobile phones | Jul 31 14:19 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: and can copy and paste | Jul 31 14:19 |
| schestowitz | When our portmaster fell down we got many calls | Jul 31 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Is privacy. | Jul 31 14:19 |
| schestowitz | The e-mails were a copy and paste job | Jul 31 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Same with jabber. | Jul 31 14:20 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: that is certainly true, but for many phones you can turn of the GPS/AGPS under settings except for emergency calls going outward | Jul 31 14:20 |
| schestowitz | What privacy? | Jul 31 14:20 |
| oiaohm | Exactly schestowitz | Jul 31 14:20 |
| schestowitz | Cell/mobile phones are 1-to-1 relationship | Jul 31 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Problem is you get called in public you have to watch what you answer in public. | Jul 31 14:21 |
| schestowitz | In some countries you need a passport to get one | Jul 31 14:21 |
| oiaohm | No they are not. | Jul 31 14:21 |
| schestowitz | Landline is different, harder to track by person | Jul 31 14:21 |
| oiaohm | I would love a head up display. | Jul 31 14:21 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: of course there are other ways you can track cellphones by simply utilizing the triangulation of signal, but that can apply to a slew of devices. They can even do old fashion persuing and surveillance. Its not a question of whether you can be spied upon its how much effort others want to put into spying on you. | Jul 31 14:22 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: umm phone directory? | Jul 31 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Not enough | Jul 31 14:22 |
| schestowitz | Need phone recognition | Jul 31 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Ziomatrix: is the talking bit. | Jul 31 14:22 |
| schestowitz | And then you can't plot relationships by calls made, esp. for family phones | Jul 31 14:22 |
| amarsh04 | I've sometimes mused that my electricity utility can track my movements by where I've reported faulty street lights | Jul 31 14:23 |
| oiaohm | With text I can be typing a answer if someone cannot see the screen they don't get to hear what I said. | Jul 31 14:23 |
| schestowitz | It gets blurred in houses that share people from different background | Jul 31 14:23 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: well if someone has a higher tone of voice then someone you know is 40 years old or so its defintely not that person | Jul 31 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Head up display and some way of typing without moving would be perfect. | Jul 31 14:23 |
| schestowitz | If you want to do network analysis on nodes | Jul 31 14:23 |
| schestowitz | IP address has similar limitations | Jul 31 14:23 |
| oiaohm | Tracking is simple enough todo with anything. | Jul 31 14:23 |
| schestowitz | That's WHy the Google/CIA pairing helps | Jul 31 14:23 |
| schestowitz | Google has immortal cookies and now MAC addresses too | Jul 31 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Sued in 37 states IIRC | Jul 31 14:24 |
| amarsh04 | at least in Adelaide our public transport ticketing system does not spy on us | Jul 31 14:24 |
| schestowitz | In Manchester too | Jul 31 14:24 |
| schestowitz | In London it does | Jul 31 14:24 |
| schestowitz | Oyster | Jul 31 14:24 |
| schestowitz | But we have cameras in buses now | Jul 31 14:24 |
| oiaohm | So they have nothing like the go card? amarsh04 | Jul 31 14:25 |
| schestowitz | In central London they sometimes have close to 20 cameras in EACH bus | Jul 31 14:25 |
| Ziomatrix | amarsh04: New and improved public ticketing machines! Just like the ones they use in London! | Jul 31 14:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: can pay in cash | Jul 31 14:25 |
| amarsh04 | no oiaohm, have been reading the stories on the Electronic Frontiers Australia privacy list | Jul 31 14:25 |
| schestowitz | To the driver, not a machine | Jul 31 14:25 |
| schestowitz | The machine even logs your destination | Jul 31 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Cannot pay driver here. | Jul 31 14:27 |
| oiaohm | In large areas of brisbane | Jul 31 14:27 |
| oiaohm | you have to pay machine for ticket. | Jul 31 14:27 |
| oiaohm | Machine will take cash. | Jul 31 14:27 |
| oiaohm | The worst part in queensland is the gocard. | Jul 31 14:27 |
| oiaohm | That is basically a card you walk up and run over scanner instead of ticket. | Jul 31 14:28 |
| MinceR | 151753 <@schestowitz> In central London they sometimes have close to 20 cameras in EACH bus | Jul 31 14:28 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 31 14:28 |
| oiaohm | And you scan when you get off. | Jul 31 14:28 |
| MinceR | Airstrip One is crazier than i thought | Jul 31 14:28 |
| oiaohm | And are billed for the area covered. | Jul 31 14:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=2 " | Jul 31 14:28 |
| schestowitz | * Why the Facebook, Amazon integration is bigger than you think | Jul 31 14:28 |
| schestowitz | * 03:23AM July 07/28/10, 2010 | Jul 31 14:28 |
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| schestowitz | * Such a partnership could also lay the groundwork for Facebook to get key pieces of data, so it can start to quantitatively value how social recommendations translate into sales. (The company says it’s not getting purchase history on specific individuals.) | Jul 31 14:28 |
| schestowitz | [PJ: And if you can't trust Facebook with your data, who can you trust? Snort.] - VentureBeat | Jul 31 14:28 |
| schestowitz | * Class action lawsuit filed over "overheating" iPads | Jul 31 14:28 |
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| oiaohm | For some rason people did not think the police could use the gocard for tracking. | Jul 31 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Ie some people are really thick. | Jul 31 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | Sorry, at least I exited quickly enough | Jul 31 14:29 |
| oiaohm | A repeat for schestowitz. For some raeson people did not think the police could use the gocard for tracking. | Jul 31 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie some people are really thick. | Jul 31 14:30 |
| oiaohm | A gocard bill even includes where you got on and got off. | Jul 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz | It's a feature | Jul 31 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie police just get a court order to access bill hello tracking. | Jul 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz | A side effect | Jul 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz | All those systems are probably well intended | Jul 31 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Just like police asking for your phone records. | Jul 31 14:31 |
| schestowitz | BTW, Sainsbury's in London now has electronic checkout | Jul 31 14:31 |
| oiaohm | You made them your problem. | Jul 31 14:31 |
| schestowitz | I saw it 2 weeks ago in Queen's Park | Jul 31 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Particularly when you can still pay cash and by paper tickets instead. | Jul 31 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you don't want the police to know where you go just don't have a gocard. | Jul 31 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Problem solved. | Jul 31 14:31 |
| schestowitz | The thing is, we have Nectar card too | Jul 31 14:32 |
| schestowitz | Which I had swiped in London | Jul 31 14:32 |
| schestowitz | I paid for the train tickers to Chester and London by debit card | Jul 31 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Nice tracked. | Jul 31 14:32 |
| schestowitz | And I made other transactions there, so in theory surveillance is hard to avoid | Jul 31 14:32 |
| oiaohm | I mostly travel by cash. | Jul 31 14:33 |
| schestowitz | But I don't have anything to hide | Jul 31 14:33 |
| oiaohm | I leave a very small foot print for surveillance | Jul 31 14:33 |
| schestowitz | I'm not a political activist | Jul 31 14:33 |
| oiaohm | I cannot avoid cams fully. | Jul 31 14:33 |
| schestowitz | I just have certain views on technology and people know my credentials, I'm no threat to anyone | Jul 31 14:33 |
| oiaohm | I wish I knew why but some brands of cams seam to go off line when I am around. | Jul 31 14:34 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I waved hello to one cameras | Jul 31 14:34 |
| schestowitz | It makes the people angry at the booths | Jul 31 14:34 |
| schestowitz | They have triggers on those | Jul 31 14:34 |
| schestowitz | And if people stare at cameras they get signals | Jul 31 14:34 |
| oiaohm | I have been pulled up by secuirty guards at times. | Jul 31 14:34 |
| schestowitz | I know this cause it was in the papers a while back and RMS jokes that Brits should intentionally stare at CCTV cameras | Jul 31 14:34 |
| oiaohm | For suspecting carring device to disrupt there cams. | Jul 31 14:34 |
| schestowitz | To make it the norm | Jul 31 14:34 |
| schestowitz | "Don't mind the cameras" | Jul 31 14:35 |
| schestowitz | "If you do, you're a very naughty individuals" | Jul 31 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | Jul 31 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what I'd love to see | Jul 31 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing is, they tell you not to take video footage in public | Jul 31 14:35 |
| schestowitz | Yet they use CCTV to make loads of footage of YOU | Jul 31 14:35 |
| oiaohm | I also have fun with wireless networks. | Jul 31 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | a device that automatically blinds cameras | Jul 31 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | but cant be seen | Jul 31 14:36 |
| schestowitz | It's like in a firm where they tell you, ignore the cameras | Jul 31 14:36 |
| schestowitz | I had that told to me in London | Jul 31 14:36 |
| oiaohm | At work I am not allowed inside 10 meters of the wireless access point while it working. | Jul 31 14:36 |
| schestowitz | You have to speak to the person, not the aperture, ever | Jul 31 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: laser pointer | Jul 31 14:36 |
| oiaohm | On my bad days I get inside 10 meters of the wireless access point and everyone gets disconnected. | Jul 31 14:36 |
| schestowitz | Can get you arrested if you're not a kid | Jul 31 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: yeah, but you need some automated system | Jul 31 14:37 |
| oiaohm | My body seams to produce the right freq to screw up 2.4 ghz | Jul 31 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: protip: you're made of water. | Jul 31 14:37 |
| schestowitz | When I was a kid I took laser pointer to films :-) | Jul 31 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Or at least echo it. | Jul 31 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, Im computer jesus | Jul 31 14:37 |
| schestowitz | With different caps for shapes :-) | Jul 31 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've laid my hands on a computer | Jul 31 14:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it made it work | Jul 31 14:37 |
| *MinceR e-crucifies Diablo-D3 | Jul 31 14:37 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt "do" anything to it | Jul 31 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: big thing why can others walk past it and not break everything. | Jul 31 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | just put my hands on the tower | Jul 31 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it started working right | Jul 31 14:38 |
| oiaohm | I know I contain water but what is off. | Jul 31 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | $5 says the internal grounding was fucked | Jul 31 14:38 |
| MinceR | once i've made a PC crash by sitting down in front of it | Jul 31 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont wear static wrist straps either | Jul 31 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I simply dont conduct static electricity for some reason | Jul 31 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: computer jesus? http://stallman.org/rms.jpg | Jul 31 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Define don't conduct. | Jul 31 14:39 |
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| Diablo-D3 | as in, I could put wool on, and then shuffle my feet across a rug | Jul 31 14:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and zap nothing. | Jul 31 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: can you hold different amounts to static charge in each hand. | Jul 31 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Ie I can arc between fingers. | Jul 31 14:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I had a teacher who could do that | Jul 31 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Postive charge in one hand and negivate in the other. | Jul 31 14:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | then again, he owned a tesla coil | Jul 31 14:40 |
| oiaohm | I can also do the fun one on the vandagrah generator. | Jul 31 14:40 |
| MinceR | it's "static" exactly because you don't conduct it | Jul 31 14:40 |
| MinceR | learn physics | Jul 31 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Place one hand on it and touch the another person with the other and not sap them. | Jul 31 14:40 |
| oiaohm | zap them. | Jul 31 14:40 |
| MinceR | the whole point of wrist straps is that they're conductive | Jul 31 14:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: bonus points, school owned a vandegrah generator and he was always fucking with that too | Jul 31 14:40 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: I was just reading yesterday in an Arizona paper that a woman died on the way to the hospital because the oxygen apparatus turned itself off, due to a software glitch. It's not an implantable device, but the principles in this paper apply to any device your life depends on.]" | Jul 31 14:41 |
| oiaohm | With focus I can alter my conductivity. | Jul 31 14:41 |
| MinceR | it's called a Van de Graaff generator | Jul 31 14:41 |
| MinceR | by sweating i can lower the conductivity of my skin :> | Jul 31 14:42 |
| MinceR | must be a miracle | Jul 31 14:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | by erecting my penis, I can impregnate all women within a 2 mile radius | Jul 31 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Not by sweating. MinceR | Jul 31 14:42 |
| schestowitz | uber miracle: http://badluckcity.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/steve-ballmer-sweat.jpg?w=350&h=262 | Jul 31 14:42 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS | Jul 31 14:43 |
| MinceR | i guess it's time to encase Diablo-D3 in a 2 mile diameter sphere of concrete | Jul 31 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Relax high contive. tense up lower. MinceR | Jul 31 14:43 |
| MinceR | to avoid catastrophe | Jul 31 14:43 |
| *Diablo-D3 listens Digital Droo - Monkey Developers | Jul 31 14:43 | |
| MinceR | that's a nice song | Jul 31 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Tense I very minorally conduct. | Jul 31 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | it keeps me sane. | Jul 31 14:44 |
| MinceR | i don't see the effect. :> | Jul 31 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Found out because I approced the Van de graaf gernerator with fear the first time. | Jul 31 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: he would have done less harm to society if he become a basketball coach in some kindergarten | Jul 31 14:44 |
| oiaohm | So it would not pass around me. | Jul 31 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: _possibly_. | Jul 31 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Next time when relexed and touched it I got all the effects of hair standing up and all. | Jul 31 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Ie controled conductivity. | Jul 31 14:45 |
| schestowitz | /me tries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kax0fvh7QQo | Jul 31 14:45 |
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| schestowitz | We have it as ogg in techrighrs | Jul 31 14:45 |
| schestowitz | 16 Years in Prison for Videotaping the Police? [PDF] http://www.aclu-md.org/aPress/Press2010/Graber_Factsheet.pdf | Jul 31 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/UseNet/2006/July_2006_3/msg01248.html | Jul 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2009/04/08/man-dies-after-police-assault/ | Jul 31 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2006/07/21/providing-evidence/ | Jul 31 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703724104575379680484726298.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Jul 31 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/07/class-action-lawsuit-filed-over-overheating-ipads.ars | Jul 31 14:50 |
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| schestowitz | They misspelled "over***ting" | Jul 31 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | overfucking?! | Jul 31 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | no wait | Jul 31 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | RETURN OF THE OVERFUCK: THE JOBS | Jul 31 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | no wait | Jul 31 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | gah, Jobs as a tentical beast raping schoolgirls | Jul 31 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | do not... well.... might do not want, theoretically | Jul 31 14:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Back from Slip End Fete...very good afternoon out and only 200 yards from my house! | Jul 31 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | Steve J Hubbard | Jul 31 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Thicker than a Zune (the old model) | Jul 31 14:54 |
| schestowitz | The problem is, they have no taste ;-) | Jul 31 14:54 |
| schestowitz | They need some ketchup on them | Jul 31 14:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzKj-1HaKw | Jul 31 14:55 |
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| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: if you're interesting former VoodooPC founder and now CTO of HP Product Design and Global Gaming Business unit of HP threw his support behind WebOS: http://tinyurl.com/2abq8a7 | Jul 31 14:55 |
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| schestowitz | STsve Ballmer on apples: "the problem is, they have no taste | Jul 31 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats only vaguely interesting. | Jul 31 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: they need Android compat | Jul 31 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Here's the thing | Jul 31 14:56 |
| schestowitz | The mobile industry is fragmented | Jul 31 14:56 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: compat? | Jul 31 14:56 |
| MinceR | android needs gnu/linux compatibility | Jul 31 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Hard to target mutliple platsorms seamlessly | Jul 31 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Despite it having Java in Google's case | Jul 31 14:56 |
| schestowitz | They have their own APIs | Jul 31 14:57 |
| schestowitz | and classes | Jul 31 14:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes | Jul 31 14:57 |
| schestowitz | I thought about it 2 hours ago | Jul 31 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Like, if I get an emulator on my box | Jul 31 14:57 |
| schestowitz | The apps are all proprietary | Jul 31 14:57 |
| schestowitz | With DRM 'rptection' | Jul 31 14:57 |
| MinceR | or we simply need more MeeGo phones :> | Jul 31 14:57 |
| schestowitz | And I won't have access to the 'store' | Jul 31 14:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: as they grow, they'll also serve "content" "producers" | Jul 31 14:58 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: it is kind of strange when WebOS internal dev repo has a plug-in that enables full QT support and a terminal to the kernel yet Android is still struggling to have full GNU compatibility: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2410749/android-ndk-gnu-make-problems | Jul 31 14:58 |
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| schestowitz | I.e. more 'protections' | Jul 31 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | "struggling" | Jul 31 14:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: look at Palm | Jul 31 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ziomatrix: come now | Jul 31 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | android is not GNU/linuix | Jul 31 14:58 |
| schestowitz | They only opened up when they got a good spanking | Jul 31 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | its simply linux. | Jul 31 14:58 |
| Ziomatrix | Diablo-D3: ok maybe not quite implementing :P | Jul 31 14:58 |
| MinceR | 155116 < Diablo-D3> Ziomatrix: come now | Jul 31 14:58 |
| MinceR | that's what she said! | Jul 31 14:58 |
| Ziomatrix | ow! | Jul 31 14:59 |
| schestowitz | They resorted to saying, "OK, everyone is welcome. Just buy our harfware, PLEASE!!" | Jul 31 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | android is the first time in history that rms's bullshit was actually needed | Jul 31 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | also | Jul 31 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you're retarded | Jul 31 14:59 |
| MinceR | no u | Jul 31 14:59 |
| schestowitz | [14:58] <MinceR> that's what she said! | Jul 31 14:59 |
| schestowitz | He's got nothing left | Jul 31 14:59 |
| schestowitz | 2 miles' worth of girls | Jul 31 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | [09:52:16] <schestowitz> [14:58] <MinceR> that's what she said! | Jul 31 14:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Not out at Vagabonds tonght after all. Just looked at bank, we have NO MONEY. Bin diving and meths for rest of month! | Jul 31 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | [14:43] <MinceR> i guess it's time to encase Diablo-D3 in a 2 mile diameter sphere of concrete | Jul 31 15:00 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: android only proved that what RMS kept saying never was bullshit in the first place | Jul 31 15:00 |
| schestowitz | [14:42] <Diablo-D3> by erecting my penis, I can impregnate all women within a 2 mile radius | Jul 31 15:00 |
| MinceR | but we knew that already | Jul 31 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | my dick is so large it bends spacetime | Jul 31 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise, i could never fit it in my pants | Jul 31 15:00 |
| *MinceR hands Diablo-D3 over to the SCP Foundation | Jul 31 15:00 | |
| schestowitz | Intergalactic pants | Jul 31 15:01 |
| MinceR | Pants of Holding | Jul 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | LEt us hope your appendage meets a black hole | Jul 31 15:01 |
| MinceR | and the cursed version, Pants of Delusion (which is what Diablo-D3 has) | Jul 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | That said, a wormhole might elongate it | Jul 31 15:01 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't call it a "wormhole" :> | Jul 31 15:01 |
| schestowitz | black hole = spaghettification | Jul 31 15:02 |
| MinceR | wink wink, nudge nudge | Jul 31 15:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhLzhWp0-o | Jul 31 15:02 |
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| MinceR | spaghetto | Jul 31 15:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1iJXOUMJpg | Jul 31 15:02 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: sounds like a name | Jul 31 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Roberto, Alejandro | Jul 31 15:03 |
| schestowitz | spaghetto *LOL* | Jul 31 15:03 |
| schestowitz | Imagine having a first /given name like this | Jul 31 15:03 |
| schestowitz | No date, ever | Jul 31 15:03 |
| schestowitz | BTW, what's with Murdoch's tabloid (SKY) and the whole Chelsea marriage bollox? | Jul 31 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Like, OK, she's marrying a bankster, who gives a damn? | Jul 31 15:04 |
| schestowitz | She never did anything of significant, just a shy girl | Jul 31 15:04 |
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| MinceR | they're celebrities, everyone must know | Jul 31 15:04 |
| schestowitz | It has been all over the news for ages when I did rowing today | Jul 31 15:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: she's not | Jul 31 15:04 |
| MinceR | even though people with a clue don't care | Jul 31 15:05 |
| schestowitz | She's secretive | Jul 31 15:05 |
| schestowitz | They only had like two "official" pictures of her and the bankster | Jul 31 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Goldman Sachs IIRC | Jul 31 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Anfd they SKY shows her dresss | Jul 31 15:05 |
| schestowitz | And brings up a panel of dress experts from east London | Jul 31 15:05 |
| schestowitz | I couldn't change the channel | Jul 31 15:05 |
| schestowitz | See, that's why I gave away my TV too | Jul 31 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Not just the mobile | Jul 31 15:07 |
| schestowitz | You try to think of the issues | Jul 31 15:07 |
| schestowitz | The real ones | Jul 31 15:07 |
| schestowitz | But surroundings have you immerse in banal junk | Jul 31 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Sky had the headline at the top all the time, "War in Afghanistan" | Jul 31 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Who are they fighting? National army of Afghanistan? | Jul 31 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Pigeon chasers? | Jul 31 15:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 31 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Apple has sold more than 50 million iPhones since 2007 but few users know how much information they collect. The keyboard logging cache means an expert can retrieve anything typed on it for up to 12 months. Its internal mapping and ''geotags'' attached to photos indicate where a user has been. | Jul 31 15:11 |
| schestowitz | An iPhone has up to 32 gigabytes of data that can be ''imaged'' or decoded with the right equipment, Mr Coulthart said, even if it has been deleted. | Jul 31 15:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 31 15:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/rape-charges-dropped-after-deleted-messages-recovered--from-iphone-20100727-10ueq.html | Jul 31 15:12 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, I really look forward to getting back to mobile phones. Now with more sophisti^H^Hspying | Jul 31 15:12 |
| schestowitz | http://onepeople.org/node/2127 | Jul 31 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | Blankenhorn strikes (his foot) again | Jul 31 15:16 |
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| schestowitz | PJ links to "After my six weeks of constant use of two iPhone 4s, I still believe it is, overall, the best device in its class, for reasons including its ultra high-resolution screen; easy, integrated video calling; slick software; strong battery life; a remarkably thin body; and a world-beating selection of 225,000 third-party apps. " | Jul 31 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php | Jul 31 15:20 |
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| schestowitz | Great free software advocacy right there | Jul 31 15:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/ballmer_competing_with_ipad_has_job_one_urgency_for_microsoft/ | Jul 31 15:22 |
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| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: then why did they kill the Courier? | Jul 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | They didn't kill it | Jul 31 15:23 |
| schestowitz | They "aborted" it | Jul 31 15:24 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: anyway thats from a Mac fan website so I wouldn't trust their self inflated ego of how they view their favorite brand with a gain of salt. | Jul 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | It just "passed away" if you like | Jul 31 15:24 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: well it was mainly a research project | Jul 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Freudian slip | Jul 31 15:24 |
| schestowitz | gain of salt. | Jul 31 15:24 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: I menat grain | Jul 31 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe just a typo, but.. | Jul 31 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: hehe | Jul 31 15:25 |
| schestowitz | So was Singularity, they say | Jul 31 15:25 |
| schestowitz | They call "research" _after the fact_ | Jul 31 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Like when Roy Levin has a whole team trying to dodge Windows mess | Jul 31 15:25 |
| schestowitz | When they fail they'd say, it was never intended to succeed | Jul 31 15:25 |
| schestowitz | We just 'experimented' (=research) | Jul 31 15:26 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: have you seen the amount of peripheral prototypes MS puts out? | Jul 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | No, cause it's prototypes | Jul 31 15:26 |
| schestowitz | But they make software | Jul 31 15:27 |
| schestowitz | THeir hardware sucks, except what they buy out | Jul 31 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Like mice and stuff | Jul 31 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Slapping "Microsoft" logo on it | Jul 31 15:27 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: they spend mucho denero to make sure they produce anything computer related that patentable: http://tinyurl.com/ydxszqq | Jul 31 15:27 |
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| Ziomatrix | dinero | Jul 31 15:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/foxconn-suicides-05-2010 | Jul 31 15:28 |
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| schestowitz | That's where Microsoft mouse comes from and workers go SPLAT. | Jul 31 15:28 |
| Ziomatrix | @schestowitz: so does the iPad and even Palm PRe | Jul 31 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Sure | Jul 31 15:29 |
| schestowitz | China will cut the middlemen | Jul 31 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Give them time, like Japan | Jul 31 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Knockoffs->leaders | Jul 31 15:30 |
| schestowitz | HTC (Taiwan), LG, Samsung (.kr)... | Jul 31 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Android is opening the door. | Jul 31 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Same with other Open source OS's. | Jul 31 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Closing | Jul 31 15:32 |
| schestowitz | DRM | Jul 31 15:32 |
| schestowitz | It bolts on some restrictions | Jul 31 15:32 |
| MinceR | whom did HTC knock off? | Jul 31 15:32 |
| MinceR | afaict they were making some of the first pda/phones even though they didn't put their name on them | Jul 31 15:33 |
| MinceR | (some iPAQs and Treos) | Jul 31 15:33 |
| oiaohm | DRM engine is no different to old school copy right engines quake network gaming uses schestowitz | Jul 31 15:33 |
| MinceR | they were an ODM or whatever | Jul 31 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Ie connect to server and validate. | Jul 31 15:33 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: HTC was contracted to produce the Treo Pro, thats about the only phone I know made by HTC. | Jul 31 15:34 |
| Ziomatrix | I mean Palm smartphone | Jul 31 15:34 |
| oiaohm | HTC has produced many phones over the years Ziomatrix | Jul 31 15:34 |
| MinceR | http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Other_Phones_Manufactured_by_HTC | Jul 31 15:35 |
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| Ziomatrix | more on what harm DRM does to otherwise perfectly good products by hardware and specs: http://tinyurl.com/282pr55 | Jul 31 15:35 |
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| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: yes but I'm simply pointing out they only made one Palm smartphone. They did basically pioneer the Windows Mobile market though | Jul 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | there are at least 2 Treos listed on that page :> | Jul 31 15:36 |
| MinceR | apparently not the first ones though | Jul 31 15:36 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Cheetah | Jul 31 15:37 |
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| Ziomatrix | MinceR: its interesting they list only the Windows Mobile version | Jul 31 15:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 31 15:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] News you won't see in a Fox headline: http://is.gd/dUUyH Charges against Al Gore dropped as rubbish | Jul 31 15:38 | |
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| MinceR | perhaps the only things it had in common with the PalmOS5 version were the name and most of the case design | Jul 31 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Did you not notice HTC has made almost all the HP phones in existance. Ziomatrix | Jul 31 15:39 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: and the Ipaqs | Jul 31 15:39 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: I'm not disputing HTC is a major force behind the emergent smartphone market, just not the only one | Jul 31 15:39 |
| oiaohm | ipaqs HP trademark. Ziomatrix | Jul 31 15:40 |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: before it was Compaq's | Jul 31 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Before HP aquire Compaq | Jul 31 15:40 |
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| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: yes and? | Jul 31 15:40 |
| oiaohm | And stuck the Compaq name in front of ipaq | Jul 31 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Basically still HP. | Jul 31 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Just with a Compaq title. | Jul 31 15:41 |
| oiaohm | HTC was basically HP china production plants. | Jul 31 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Now they are a independant company. | Jul 31 15:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @davidgerard News you won't see in a Fox headline: http://is.gd/dUUyH Charges against Al Gore dropped as rubbish #foxlies #globalwarming | Jul 31 15:42 | |
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| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: remember that company that was originally just a Chinese production arm of Cisco but is now all of a sudden their own brand selling products throughout Asia based on Cisco IP? | Jul 31 15:42 |
| Ziomatrix | oh yea Huawei: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huawei | Jul 31 15:43 |
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| oiaohm | That is normal for Cisco Ziomatrix | Jul 31 15:43 |
| Ziomatrix | they didn't originally form form from Cisco but through a contract to product their routers and switches started selling blatant copies domestically | Jul 31 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Cisco birthed a lot of hardware companies in the network side. | Jul 31 15:44 |
| oiaohm | A few have birthed by being rogue. | Jul 31 15:44 |
| MinceR | did huawei at least improve on the cisco attitude? | Jul 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | The ones that have birthed by working with Cisco end up with better products long term. | Jul 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Ie access to Cisco long term R&D | Jul 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Items like Huawei always end in bad products. | Jul 31 15:45 |
| oiaohm | There is another one starting with T something that is also a splinter off Cisco but older. | Jul 31 15:46 |
| oiaohm | There 100 based stuff was perfect. | Jul 31 15:46 |
| oiaohm | There 1000 bit an great stuff is complete junk. | Jul 31 15:46 |
| MinceR | tplink? | Jul 31 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Yep MinceR | Jul 31 15:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] http://twitgoo.com/1fcmjc It's Goblin, the internet Linux sex symbol. | Jul 31 15:49 | |
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| oiaohm | Tech thiefing only gets your so far. Some point you get burt because you don't have access to the data. | Jul 31 15:49 |
| *MinceR rolls his eyes at goblin | Jul 31 15:49 | |
| oiaohm | Basically I am sitting back to see how long before Huawei gets slammed by the tech wall. | Jul 31 15:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @dos: New #SHR unstable available for om-gta01 and om-gta02; htcdream still building. Please test them (esp. gta01) and report issues! | Jul 31 15:52 | |
| Ziomatrix | oiaohm: they actually once partnered up with 3Com, so 3Com was able to re-brand and sell their products stateside. But it probably ended once HP nabbed them. | Jul 31 15:52 |
| MinceR | was 3com blocked from that market or something? | Jul 31 15:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @dos: You may need to manually load modules for WiFi, bt etc. though, when not using udev. That's known and we're working on that. #SHR | Jul 31 15:53 | |
| oiaohm | Rebanding goes on all the time. | Jul 31 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Some cisco products are 3com and netgear. | Jul 31 15:54 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: according to the wiki their marketshare was being eaten up and they spun off subsidiaries like crazy which they invested in to hope to keep afloat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3Com Kind of sad for a company that pioneered Eithernet peripherals for PCs | Jul 31 15:54 |
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| oiaohm | Yes with full cisco labels on them. | Jul 31 15:54 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: were 3Com really the first to deliver eithernet cards for PCs, en mass I mean? | Jul 31 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Cisco has a policy if you produce a product better than cisco they will be knocking on your door. | Jul 31 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Asking to be able to ship that product under the cisco brand name. | Jul 31 15:56 |
| oiaohm | Recent years 3com has a bad run out doing Cisco suppliers. | Jul 31 15:57 |
| MinceR | Ziomatrix: not sure, but afaik Ethernet comes from them | Jul 31 15:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Daniel Ellsberg's WikiLeaks Wish List | WaPo http://bit.ly/9DjXKz | Jul 31 15:57 | |
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| MinceR | and so does Palm, iirc :> | Jul 31 15:57 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: Palm actually came from US Robotics, which 3Com aquired | Jul 31 16:03 |
| MinceR | before or after palm was spun off? | Jul 31 16:03 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: yup | Jul 31 16:03 |
| MinceR | i remember seeing a photo of a palm with a 3com logo on it, which might have served to think so :) | Jul 31 16:03 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 31 16:03 |
| Ziomatrix | MincR: I have a Palm with a 3Com logo on it, but as you can see this is what the original looked like on the upper right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Palmpilot5000_eu.png | Jul 31 16:04 |
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| Ziomatrix | MinceR: well it was technically a hand me down | Jul 31 16:06 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: I use to always think 3Com produced Palm until I looked it up once | Jul 31 16:08 |
| MinceR | ic | Jul 31 16:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] #elmdentica in new #SHR is too old and predates some important fixes. | Jul 31 16:09 | |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: I never thought a company that I use to assosciate with mostly producing 56k modems was capable of producing such a device. I guess it showed how little I knew about how related computer hardware really is | Jul 31 16:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @_Goblin (re: http://twitgoo.com/1fcmjc) COOL! | Jul 31 16:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] India loves WikiLeaks | The Hindu http://bit.ly/9zmXf2 | Jul 31 16:11 | |
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| Ziomatrix | k | Jul 31 16:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] How to tell #elmdentica is too old? If it still shows 'twitter oauth' in account types then it's too old. | Jul 31 16:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @phoronix: Is OpenSolaris About To Be Forked As Illumos? http://ff.im/-oAyHD | Jul 31 16:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Bradley Manning defense fund needs YOU; http://bit.ly/9DyhoR | Jul 31 16:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Finally @_Goblin exposes himself http://twitgoo.com/1fcmjc | Jul 31 16:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @c1pher: Steve Ballmer said cloud 37 times in 20 minutes in his Keynote #wpc10 | Jul 31 16:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] and a few updates to my about page.... http://openbytes.wordpress.com/about-goblin/ | Jul 31 16:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] As I'm reading some news that I missed while away I can't help but feel that tools for finding/organising news are in a terrible state | Jul 31 16:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tools may seem modern and sufficient until something much better comes along. One example is #altavista as search engines in 90s | Jul 31 16:46 | |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-walt-disney-buys-playdom-for-up-to-763.2-million/ | Jul 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Jul 31 16:50 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: identica, then twitter | Jul 31 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Link the two | Jul 31 16:50 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh? | Jul 31 16:51 |
| schestowitz | This way, whatever you dent gets channelled to twitter automatically (that's what I do) | Jul 31 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll add you to our feed | Jul 31 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | well I am not signing up yet, but yeah thats why | Jul 31 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | the main reason | Jul 31 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | so I can do those messages in here as well | Jul 31 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | since at the moment I just miss out on it really | Jul 31 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: anyway indentica is just micro blogging, not sure why I would want to do that? | Jul 31 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: or you mean post stuff there, and have it going on Twitter as well? | Jul 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | IGN is Murdoch?? | Jul 31 16:52 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-news-corp.s-ign-launches-a-gamer-focused-social-network/ | Jul 31 16:52 |
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| schestowitz | I didn't know that | Jul 31 16:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz check #swiftriver from #ushahidi. | Jul 31 16:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer do you use that? | Jul 31 16:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer I see it's all php (latest.zip), not sure it's what I had in mind | Jul 31 16:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @joewilcox: Interesting. Microsoft is touting 8 core businesses, but there are only 5 divisions. > ...marketing, litigation, AstroTurfing | Jul 31 16:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @josephtartakoff The NYT is canvassing readers to see if they'd pay $1/month to read the paper online http://twitpic.com/29ruiy | Jul 31 17:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another new example of large company abandoning Microsoft http://ur1.ca/0xxxv still stuck with proprietary software | Jul 31 17:01 | |
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| schestowitz | http://blog.oneriot.com/content/2010/07/welcome-to-the-future/ | Jul 31 17:03 |
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| schestowitz | Layoffs | Jul 31 17:03 |
| schestowitz | new CEO | Jul 31 17:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "did you know that you were paying BP and Halliburton to contribute to the disaster?" http://ur1.ca/0xxyy | Jul 31 17:06 | |
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| schestowitz | http://whatwillweuse.com/2010/07/18/operation-clean-sweep/ | Jul 31 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | Bug one: market share? | Jul 31 17:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The #oilspill in #China is easy not to notice because of Western bias. http://ur1.ca/0xy19 | Jul 31 17:15 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Oil spill in China worsens | Greenpeace International .::. Size~: 73.76 KB | Jul 31 17:15 |
| schestowitz | From the comments on: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/climate/greenpeace-activists-shut-down-bp-gas-station/blog/13004?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+GreenpeaceNews+%28Greenpeace+News%29 | Jul 31 17:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Greenpeace activists shut down BP gas stations all over London | Greenpeace International .::. Size~: 101.58 KB | Jul 31 17:18 |
| schestowitz | "It is not safe to remove and steal the parts that the 'teams' did at the BP forecourts. It is irresponsible and dangerous to mess with that kind of thing. Greenpeace used to have a balance of common sense now it is full of hypocritical louts who just like to bully." | Jul 31 17:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Two of Greenpeace's founding fathers die in the same month http://ur1.ca/0xy1h http://ur1.ca/0xy1i | Jul 31 17:18 | |
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| schestowitz | "“Why in the world would you take the safety switches???? That is just irresponsible and unsafe! Shame on Greenpeace! I have to agree completely with Scholesy on this one. You are sending the wrong message to everyone.”" | Jul 31 17:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] August issue of the Gratis BSD Magazine (PDF) available. Grab your copy here: http://ur1.ca/0xy3f | Jul 31 17:28 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/07/russian_intelli_1.html | Jul 31 17:39 |
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| schestowitz | Schneier: "I don't think this is a good idea." | Jul 31 17:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks media analysis (video) | Listening Post http://bit.ly/aTTqcQ | Jul 31 17:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Dumbest article ever. Doesn't Google have the greatest number of links to most categories of content? http://bit.ly/cNyPzk | Jul 31 17:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @rcweir thanks for reminding me why IDG is the Fox News of IT http://ur1.ca/06s64 once in a while their editor distorts | Jul 31 17:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @rcweir Dumbest article ever. Doesn't Google have the greatest number of links to most categories of content? http://bit.ly/cNyPzk | Jul 31 17:47 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US tries to infiltrate us via bribing supporters at MIT | NYT http://nyti.ms/dbyWk5 | Jul 31 17:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_Goblin the only missing piece now is a surname | Jul 31 17:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks US tries to infiltrate us via bribing supporters at MIT | NYT http://nyti.ms/dbyWk5 > close your loop | Jul 31 17:52 | |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0729/secret-spy-agency-serial-killer-nazis-sources/ | Jul 31 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | And so the leaks start to unravel | Jul 31 17:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Rimmer | Jul 31 18:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: I hope you are not asking @_Goblin to reveal his surname. For the sake of his wife and children. The trolls will abuse it. | Jul 31 18:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ml2mst they already have | Jul 31 18:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] @schestowitz: Oh, dear, just disgusting | Jul 31 18:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to SlayRadio live @ http://www.slayradio.org/home.php #amiga #amiga #demoscene #chipmusic | Jul 31 18:21 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-is-not-apple-its-more-like-china-2010-7 | Jul 31 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reghardware.com/2010/07/28/apple_magic_trackpad_drivers/ odd one.. | Jul 31 18:42 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @wikileaks US tries to infiltrate us via bribing supporters at MIT | NYT http://nyti.ms/dbyWk5 > close your loop | Jul 31 18:59 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/202297/free_android_apps_caught_stealing_personal_info.html?tk=rss_news | Jul 31 19:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] FBI admits probing ‘radical’ historian Zinn for criticizing bureau http://ur1.ca/0xyq2 You're not paranoid if they're really out to get you | Jul 31 19:06 | |
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| MinceR | re | Jul 31 19:06 |
| MinceR | 174530 <@schestowitz> IGN is Murdoch?? | Jul 31 19:08 |
| MinceR | well, that explains the suckage | Jul 31 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I never liked them | Jul 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Ripping apart the Japanese ones | Jul 31 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch's empire is doing "God's Work" | Jul 31 19:10 |
| MinceR | they also broke GameSpy Network | Jul 31 19:10 |
| MinceR | or maybe bought it after it started to fall apart, i'm not sure | Jul 31 19:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1725619/italy-fine-people-disagree-berlusconi | Jul 31 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | Is Absurdistan the name? | Jul 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | *Same | Jul 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Here in the UK we have libel laws | Jul 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | But pollies don't use that to silence much | Jul 31 19:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the media is a multi-level thing | Jul 31 19:12 |
| schestowitz | Need hierarchical map to see who controls/owns what | Jul 31 19:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-10813772 | Jul 31 19:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0729/protesters-denounce-arizona-immigration-law/ | Jul 31 19:14 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/29/hard-russian-hardwar.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29 "Russian manufacturer Lenpolygrafmash makes the computer component equivalent of brutalist architecture. " | Jul 31 19:15 |
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| schestowitz | *LOL* http://green-oval.net/cgi-board.pl/g/thread/12376999 | Jul 31 19:17 |
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| schestowitz | See the comments | Jul 31 19:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The KIN phone is dead -- 'buy now!' http://ur1.ca/0xysn memorabilia? No, not even that actually | Jul 31 19:18 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/29/sky_annual_earnings/ | Jul 31 19:19 |
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| schestowitz | Junk channel... Chelsea's wedding dross | Jul 31 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/07/29/hp_job_cuts_redundancy_plee/ "Hewlett-Packard has reduced the number of UK employees it plans to show the door in its latest round of redundancies from 934 to 720." | Jul 31 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Pay-off or lay-off: HP calls on 700 staff to heed redundo plea • Channel Register .::. Size~: 20.84 KB | Jul 31 19:20 |
| schestowitz | " In Russia videos watch you " http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1725472/russia-blocks-youtube | Jul 31 19:21 |
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| MinceR | In Soviet Russia, YouTube blocks YOU!! | Jul 31 19:21 |
| MinceR | or something | Jul 31 19:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/28/wikileaks-the-3-chos.html | Jul 31 19:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: NYT unhappy at being dependent on Wikileaks for news - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 30.18 KB | Jul 31 19:26 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, press controls Murdoch and public controls Pravda | Jul 31 19:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Mutiny in the MVP ranks? No freebie for them? & #Microsoft wants to gift you! http://tinyurl.com/2d7s5b8 #windows #mvp #mvpbuzz | Jul 31 19:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mutiny in the MVP ranks? No freebie for them? & Microsoft wants to gift you! « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 38.51 KB | Jul 31 19:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @msmobiles No smart dial in Windows Phone 7 - it should be called Windows Phone 1.0 !: http://msmobiles.com/news.php/9261.html | Jul 31 19:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 31/7/2010: Western PA #Linux User Group, Android, and #OLPC Goodwill http://techrights.org/2010/07/31/olpc-goodwill/ | Jul 31 19:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Techrights » Links 31/7/2010: Western PA Linux User Group, Android, and OLPC Goodwill .::. Size~: 111.95 KB | Jul 31 19:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] No multitasking, no cut and paste, no smart dial. and all after the #Kin . #Microsoft has the phone business in the bag! LOL. #android | Jul 31 19:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to: DHS - Superseghe dell'Amore e Citofono (For Yer Heart) #amiga #amiga #demoscene #mod #scene | Jul 31 19:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Shame its the end of the series of IT Crowd .... great show. "These toys may smell of wee come the morn" - great stuff! #channel4 | Jul 31 20:00 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nathan Myhrvold (Intellectual Ventures) Gives Patents for Another Company to Sue With http://ur1.ca/0xz57 | Jul 31 20:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @muyiscoi i look forward to a time when d descriptions of FOSS apps will not have the phrase "alternative to" in them #linux #FOSS #u ... | Jul 31 20:32 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Your conspiracy theory for this evening: Project Blue Beam. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Beam My brain hurts. | Jul 31 20:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Spies on Users, Sued for Alleged Defect in hypePad, Even Tries to Break Existing Laws http://ur1.ca/0xzb3 #hypepad | Jul 31 20:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Judge to RIAA: No LimeWire asset freeze http://tinyurl.com/2ef3pd2 #piratepartyuk #tpb #piratebay #limewire | Jul 31 21:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Story about blackmail using personal data which goes out of hand; a timely reminder of the general associated risks http://ur1.ca/0xzh3 | Jul 31 21:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Story about blackmail using personal data which goes out of hand; a timely reminder of the general associated risks http ... | Jul 31 21:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Mutiny in the MVP ranks? No freebie for them? & Microsoft wants to gift you! | Jul 31 21:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Mutiny in the MVP ranks? No freebie for them? & Microsoft wants to gift you! http://ur1.ca/0xzj9 | Jul 31 21:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Hacker Monthly Issue 3 - August 2010 available for 'free of cost' download http://hackermonthly.com #hacker | Jul 31 21:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell for Sale: Portfolio of Proprietary Software and #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/0xzp3 Who can possibly want to buy Novell though? | Jul 31 21:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im now listening to Nectarine Radio! http://www.scenemusic.net/demovibes/ #demoscene #amiga | Jul 31 22:09 | |
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| schestowitz | "Pity the programmers toiling away at Wall Street's secretive high-frequency trading shops--places like Goldman Sachs ( GS - news - people ), Citadel and Getco. They wrote algorithms that take advantage of fleeting trading opportunities and bring in up to $100,000 a day. In return, they received a fraction of the pay doled out to their bosses." | Jul 31 22:14 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] First IRC meeting Sunday 1 Aug : 9pm to 11pm http://post.ly/pduK | Jul 31 22:18 | |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: which Android model did you get? | Jul 31 22:19 |
| ThistleWeb | samsung galaxy portal | Jul 31 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | nice phone for the money | Jul 31 22:20 |
| schestowitz | That's what Microsoft says | Jul 31 22:20 |
| schestowitz | It gets paid when you buy one | Jul 31 22:21 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 31 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | ya I know | Jul 31 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | it was one element making me think twice | Jul 31 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | but realistically, for how I use a phone, and the budget, it was the best phone I could get | Jul 31 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, call it a pity fuck if you like ;p | Jul 31 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | microsoft will need every cent it gets in the coming years | Jul 31 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Yes, from patents | Jul 31 22:23 |
| schestowitz | But I hope they are not paid much (nobody knows the sums) | Jul 31 22:23 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Jul 31 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | I did look for alternatives around the same price / spec | Jul 31 22:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/damn_vulnerable_linux_littered_security_holes | Jul 31 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: vodafone works closely with samsung | Jul 31 22:25 |
| schestowitz | in the UK | Jul 31 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | so many phones just cant be bought on pay & go | Jul 31 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | You could get a KIN | Jul 31 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah lol | Jul 31 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Keep it boxed for 20 years and then it's worth more, rare item | Jul 31 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | So up to 10k people who used to own one (maybe just 500 people) will be interested | Jul 31 22:26 |
| schestowitz | THe thing is, memorabilia is worthless if there's too much of it or very few people who messed with it in its time (e.g. Amiga) | Jul 31 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah mass produced stuff | Jul 31 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | I tell ya, for £200 it's pretty decent spec android phone | Jul 31 22:27 |
| cubevector | I'd prefer an Amiga over a kin | Jul 31 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | it's got enough oomph to cope with a few android upgrades too, before android needs a higher spec | Jul 31 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | it's never gonna compare with a desire or incredible, but then it's less than half the price, so I wouldnt expect it to | Jul 31 22:28 |
| cubevector | iphone is a waste of money | Jul 31 22:29 |
| schestowitz | desire and incredible are funny names | Jul 31 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Makes you wonder what adjective is next | Jul 31 22:29 |
| ThistleWeb | I wouldnt touch any apple product, even if I could afford one | Jul 31 22:30 |
| ThistleWeb | HTC Fucking Awesome | Jul 31 22:30 |
| cubevector | I liked zaurus, still do | Jul 31 22:30 |
| schestowitz | tessier_:ping | Jul 31 22:30 |
| MinceR | HTC Mediocre | Jul 31 22:30 |
| ThistleWeb | or the HTC Gnarly | Jul 31 22:30 |
| schestowitz | HTC wicked | Jul 31 22:30 |
| MinceR | HTC Bodacious | Jul 31 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It comes with two horns (antennas) | Jul 31 22:31 |
| cubevector | does it come in red? :) | Jul 31 22:31 |
| schestowitz | hypePhone also comes with two horns (devil) | Jul 31 22:31 |
| MinceR | HTC WaitForOurNextPhone | Jul 31 22:31 |
| ThistleWeb | htc do seem to have a staggering range of devices | Jul 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | HTC Fabulous | Jul 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | the headphone on the Wizard sucks though | Jul 31 22:32 |
| schestowitz | HTC Queer | Jul 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | oops | Jul 31 22:32 |
| ThistleWeb | all subtly different, and a new one coming out every month | Jul 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | headset connector | Jul 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | not headphone :) | Jul 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | a freestanding 2.5mm jack with nothing around it, made of weak plastic, just waiting to break | Jul 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | (mine did) | Jul 31 22:32 |
| cubevector | let's face it, people buy junk they don't need | Jul 31 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | I wonder how much that affects people's decision to buy a phone, and perhaps if it plays into the iphone | Jul 31 22:33 |
| cubevector | it's consumerific :) | Jul 31 22:33 |
| MinceR | HTC Consumerific | Jul 31 22:33 |
| schestowitz | HTC consumerific | Jul 31 22:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Jul 31 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Now with Microsoft tax | Jul 31 22:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: on my side I beat you to it | Jul 31 22:33 |
| schestowitz | In xchat it shows you beating me to it | Jul 31 22:33 |
| MinceR | i won on my side | Jul 31 22:33 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 31 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | if peeps look at a new phone, they may fork out a lotta cash for the latest and greatest, only to find 10 or 11 new ones inside the year | Jul 31 22:34 |
| schestowitz | [22:33] <schestowitz> HTC consumerific | Jul 31 22:34 |
| schestowitz | [22:33] <MinceR> HTC Consumerific | Jul 31 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | "do you wait for a slightly better phone, or for that to trigger the one you want to be reduced slightly, or just buy it" | Jul 31 22:34 |
| MinceR | strangely enough, headset adaptors disappeared from nokia.com | Jul 31 22:35 |
| MinceR | wired ones, that is | Jul 31 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Their CEO might soon disappear | Jul 31 22:35 |
| schestowitz | THey want to kick him out | Jul 31 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Remember when Nokia announed Windows XP netbook? | Jul 31 22:36 |
| schestowitz | That was last year and not much materialised | Jul 31 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Soon they'll need to sell Android, becoming a servant of a company a fifth its size (Google staff size) | Jul 31 22:36 |
| schestowitz | It'll be hypePhone 5 vs HTC Queer left in the race | Jul 31 22:37 |
| schestowitz | hypePhone 5 you'll need to stroke to make phonecalls | Jul 31 22:37 |
| schestowitz | And Woz will use it along with hypePhone v4 and another phone without IOS to ensure he can make calls and not just toy around | Jul 31 22:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Get Free of Cost SchoolOS DVD* (conditions apply) http://post.ly/pe0R | Jul 31 22:38 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Get Free of Cost SchoolOS DVD* (conditions apply) - LUG@IITD Community Blog .::. Size~: 28.03 KB | Jul 31 22:38 |
| schestowitz | To Woz, Apple's phone is like a Windows partition... only useful for playing | Jul 31 22:38 |
| MinceR | not if Nokia takes MeeGo seriously | Jul 31 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Mee is go | Jul 31 22:39 |
| cubevector | I gI got a used zaurus for $35 :) | Jul 31 22:39 |
| MinceR | that might be our ticket out of the dumb phones era | Jul 31 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/openSUSE-11-3-LiveCD-with-MeeGo-desktop-1048563.html | Jul 31 22:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: openSUSE 11.3 LiveCD with MeeGo desktop - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.57 KB | Jul 31 22:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tildehash.com/?article=sum-41-doesnt-like-facebook | Jul 31 22:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sum 41 doesn't like Facebook - TildeHash .::. Size~: 10.69 KB | Jul 31 22:41 |
| cubevector | test | Jul 31 22:42 |
| schestowitz | test failed | Jul 31 22:43 |
| cubevector | getting some plip errors :-/ | Jul 31 22:43 |
| schestowitz | successful tests are posted in #test :-p | Jul 31 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Use your Android Phone as a Wireless Hotspot (Rooted Phones Only) http://maketecheasier.com/use-your-android-phone-as-a-wireless-hotspot/2010/07/30 | Jul 31 22:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Use your Android Phone as a Wireless Hotspot - Make Tech Easier .::. Size~: 37.18 KB | Jul 31 22:45 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44297781#notice-44613380 | Jul 31 22:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.24 KB | Jul 31 22:46 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Matt Asay is tipping M$ to buy Novell and get its claws on Suse... Bad, very bad." | Jul 31 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay.. | Jul 31 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS ay | Jul 31 22:46 |
| cubevector | anti-trust, they can't | Jul 31 22:47 |
| cubevector | no way | Jul 31 22:47 |
| *Wulf-is-not-here is now known as WireWulf | Jul 31 22:47 | |
| MinceR | anti-trust protections are impotent | Jul 31 22:49 |
| cubevector | they had their chance with Xenix in the early 80's | Jul 31 22:49 |
| cubevector | they got rid of it | Jul 31 22:49 |
| MinceR | especially in Yankeestan | Jul 31 22:49 |
| cubevector | One Microsoft Way remember? | Jul 31 22:49 |
| cubevector | if they did that, they admit defeat | Jul 31 22:49 |
| cubevector | but they can't in any case | Jul 31 22:50 |
| cubevector | under the Microsoft philosophy there is only one OS | Jul 31 22:50 |
| cubevector | they stopped working on OS/2, why? so they could have all of the market | Jul 31 22:51 |
| cubevector | if they could buy Suse I guess they would just eliminate it | Jul 31 22:54 |
| cubevector | then move on to the next distro, and the next... | Jul 31 22:54 |
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| cubevector | I don't think that would work, but they are thinking about it I bet | Jul 31 22:54 |
| cubevector | the problem is, any distro can just fork itself | Jul 31 22:55 |
| cubevector | that's why Microsoft calls Linux the "Multi-headed Hydra" | Jul 31 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Funny | Jul 31 23:03 |
| schestowitz | I call Ballmer that | Jul 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | funny, i call ballmer "Monkey Boy" | Jul 31 23:04 |
| cubevector | me too | Jul 31 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Whatever you do, stay away from is tongue. | Jul 31 23:05 |
| schestowitz | *its | Jul 31 23:05 |
| MinceR | i think a glowing hot piece of metal would have nothing to fear of that tongue | Jul 31 23:06 |
| schestowitz | The creature has a tongue fetish that makes it throw arbitrary objects | Jul 31 23:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you've just described an hypePad, I believe | Jul 31 23:06 |
| MinceR | there isn't much metal in a hypePadd | Jul 31 23:07 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Jul 31 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Apple has just been sued for overheating hypePads | Jul 31 23:07 |
| MinceR | but i'd gladly launch one at ballmer's face | Jul 31 23:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Just ordered a 'cheapest' INR 4900 ($103) Android Ebook reader from China. http://tinyurl.com/3y2d37d #andriod Eken M001 | Jul 31 23:07 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The EKEN M001 / TP701 Android MID (aka Haleron iLet mini HAL) » androidpads.com .::. Size~: 75.79 KB | Jul 31 23:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: there is not much of *anything* in it | Jul 31 23:07 |
| MinceR | actually there's a lot of hype in it | Jul 31 23:07 |
| MinceR | and a lot of DRM | Jul 31 23:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: what? Like a discus? | Jul 31 23:07 |
| MinceR | and a lot of code written by people who don't work for crApple and only got attacked by crApple in exchange for it | Jul 31 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://ballyhooligan.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/discus_thrower_copenhagen.jpg?w=300&h=300 | Jul 31 23:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Jul 31 23:08 |
| MinceR | (patent FUD, threats and such) | Jul 31 23:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ2Mg | Jul 31 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Is OpenSolaris About To Be Forked As Illumos? .::. Size~: 18.02 KB | Jul 31 23:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Also, I ordered from http://www.ecrater.com | Jul 31 23:10 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: eCRATER - online marketplace, get a free online store .::. Size~: 17.63 KB | Jul 31 23:10 |
| schestowitz | Slowaris Illuminati Ed. | Jul 31 23:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ2Mw | Jul 31 23:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] The 2011 Desktop Summit Is Announced For Berlin .::. Size~: 16.82 KB | Jul 31 23:11 |
| cubevector | I tried Solaris once | Jul 31 23:11 |
| cubevector | didn't really like it though | Jul 31 23:11 |
| MinceR | i never tried Slowlaris | Jul 31 23:11 |
| MinceR | (or is that Slow Larry's now?) | Jul 31 23:11 |
| cubevector | Slowlaris Suit Larry in the Land of the Linux Lizards :) | Jul 31 23:12 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 31 23:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The 2011 Desktop Summit Is Announced For Berlin http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ2Mw #GNOME and #KDE migle again | Jul 31 23:13 | |
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| schestowitz | cubevector: heh. I thought that too | Jul 31 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Larry walked slowly | Jul 31 23:13 |
| schestowitz | I have all those tunes from the game sampled with good sound cards | Jul 31 23:14 |
| schestowitz | There's Quest Studios | Jul 31 23:14 |
| cubevector | funny they stopped making those games | Jul 31 23:14 |
| cubevector | is Seirra out of business? | Jul 31 23:14 |
| schestowitz | http://www.queststudios.com/ | Jul 31 23:14 |
| cubevector | Sierra | Jul 31 23:14 |
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| schestowitz | I miss Sierra | Jul 31 23:15 |
| cubevector | KQ5 sucked though | Jul 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | it dies officially some years ago, yes | Jul 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Many games are not made in Asia | Jul 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Gore and weapons | Jul 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | I never played late KQs | Jul 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Just 2 and 3 IIRC | Jul 31 23:15 |
| cubevector | what's a good adventure game for 486? | Jul 31 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Monkey's Island | Jul 31 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Jul 31 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer ought to have finished it | Jul 31 23:16 |
| cubevector | Ballmer's Island? :) | Jul 31 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Walkthroughs and all, he's a cheater | Jul 31 23:16 |
| MinceR | Island in the Sea of Sweat? | Jul 31 23:16 |
| schestowitz | I remember us having those super-expensive hotlines where we got tips for quests | Jul 31 23:17 |
| cubevector | yeah I remember those | Jul 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Tey made a load of money just making the games hard so that you're stuck | Jul 31 23:17 |
| cubevector | 900 numbers? | Jul 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jul 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | We were kids then | Jul 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Had to ask the parents | Jul 31 23:17 |
| cubevector | I sold the hint books :) | Jul 31 23:17 |
| schestowitz | *Parents | Jul 31 23:17 |
| cubevector | before the www I suppose | Jul 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: I reckon they could outsource it to India | Jul 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | The guys/gals just need to know the script and read it | Jul 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | No troubleshooting needed | Jul 31 23:18 |
| cubevector | game devs don't seem too happy according to Slashdot | Jul 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | "Did yoy restart?" | Jul 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | "Did yoy reboot?" | Jul 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | "Did yoy reinstall?" | Jul 31 23:18 |
| schestowitz | "I'll escalate to my supervisor then" :0) | Jul 31 23:19 |
| MinceR | why do m$/crApple fanboys want us think that game devs aren't happy? | Jul 31 23:19 |
| cubevector | SD is hardly M$ and crApple fanboys | Jul 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Games are art | Jul 31 23:19 |
| MinceR | /. is, though | Jul 31 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Performance arts | Jul 31 23:19 |
| cubevector | there's indy games | Jul 31 23:20 |
| cubevector | I predict more of that | Jul 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://queststudios.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=29&Itemid=132 | Jul 31 23:20 |
| MinceR | there are Free games | Jul 31 23:20 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://queststudios.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=241:leisure-suit-larry-1-mt32&catid=76:leisure-suit-larry-1&Itemid=132 | Jul 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Oh noes! Free music | Jul 31 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Someone tell the mafiaa | Jul 31 23:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Jul 31 23:21 |
| schestowitz | They need to attack it by collecting fees like they did to CC | Jul 31 23:21 |
| *MinceR is listening to free music at the moment | Jul 31 23:21 | |
| schestowitz | Free=rubbish :-) | Jul 31 23:21 |
| *MinceR is listening to: Skaven - Omniphilia (Rama-II) | Jul 31 23:21 | |
| schestowitz | You cheap chav | Jul 31 23:21 |
| cubevector | anyone can distribute their music now | Jul 31 23:21 |
| schestowitz | :- | Jul 31 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Why don't you buy something more expe... better? | Jul 31 23:21 |
| *schestowitz listens to Sesame Street - Theme | Jul 31 23:22 | |
| schestowitz | :-p | Jul 31 23:22 |
| cubevector | 486 == rubbish according to some | Jul 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Not really... | Jul 31 23:22 |
| MinceR | it isn't rubbish, it's merely slow and outdated :> | Jul 31 23:22 |
| schestowitz | cubevector: the quest studio site is run by the music composer | Jul 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | He just wants people to heard and share their music | Jul 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | I've listened to LSL tunes since 2004 | Jul 31 23:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/70436.html | Jul 31 23:25 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux News: Community: Mandriva's Rocky Rebirth .::. Size~: 53.12 KB | Jul 31 23:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/70481.html | Jul 31 23:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux News: Community: Dell's 'Brilliant' Windows vs. Ubuntu Analysis .::. Size~: 65.47 KB | Jul 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | 'Brilliant' would be a good name for an Android phone | Jul 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Dell 'Brilliant' with Froyo | Jul 31 23:26 |
| MinceR | or Brillant | Jul 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Dell 'Billiant' with Vista Phone 7 | Jul 31 23:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/70484.html | Jul 31 23:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux News: Blogosphere: Wikileaks Plunges Political World Into Turmoil .::. Size~: 49.4 KB | Jul 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Al Qaeda must be having a field day | Jul 31 23:27 |
| MinceR | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The_Brillant_Paula_Bean.aspx | Jul 31 23:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Brillant Paula Bean - The Daily WTF .::. Size~: 18.17 KB | Jul 31 23:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Access-release-Graffiti-for-Android-and-ZebOS-revd/?kc=rss | Jul 31 23:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mobile Linux software pioneer goes all out for Android - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 54.86 KB | Jul 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Jul 31 23:30 |
| schestowitz | ACCES$="Mobile Linux software pioneer "? | Jul 31 23:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] My #android app tip of the day: bMonitor - cool and FS | Jul 31 23:31 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Intel-wins-ruling-in-AMD-case/?kc=rss | Jul 31 23:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Intel wins court ruling in antitrust case - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 52.06 KB | Jul 31 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Wow, it's true that LinuxDevices does Intel apologist stuff | Jul 31 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Someone told me yesterday and I didn't agree | Jul 31 23:32 |
| cubezzz3 | wow AMD got 1 billion from Intel | Jul 31 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Small money | Jul 31 23:44 |
| cubezzz3 | pretty much a duolopy | Jul 31 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Intel earned far more from its crimes | Jul 31 23:44 |
| schestowitz | They paid AMD to shut them up | Jul 31 23:45 |
| schestowitz | So that people know less about Intel's crimes | Jul 31 23:45 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: not really, just for x86 | Jul 31 23:45 |
| schestowitz | lucrative for Windows market mostly | Jul 31 23:45 |
| cubezzz3 | x86-olopy | Jul 31 23:45 |
| cubezzz3 | hard to escape that | Jul 31 23:46 |
| cubevector | er, x86-opoly | Jul 31 23:47 |
| cubevector | duopoly | Jul 31 23:47 |
| schestowitz | http://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=who_do_i_write_like&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1 | Jul 31 23:50 |
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| schestowitz | who are the different cubes? | Jul 31 23:51 |
| cubevector | me on two computers | Jul 31 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Different boxes? | Jul 31 23:51 |
| cubevector | yes | Jul 31 23:51 |
| schestowitz | I figured... | Jul 31 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Math enthusiast | Jul 31 23:51 |
| cubevector | I can look at the web and glance over and check IRC at the same time | Jul 31 23:52 |
| cubevector | clipboarding on this side isn't possible though | Jul 31 23:53 |
| cubevector | so sometimes I jump over to the other computer | Jul 31 23:53 |
| cubevector | actually I'll just jump back to the 486 | Jul 31 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | Why is this guy who sounds like Pearly Gates hacking Linux on Windows? http://tinyogg.com/watch/V4yA4/ | Jul 31 23:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: How to root Droid X using Birdman's method from http://AllDroid.org .::. Size~: 5.3 KB | Jul 31 23:54 |
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