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Chips_B_Malroyan interesting article that doesn't completely get it:  http://www.financialpost.com/news/business-insider/Congratulations+Google+Android+huge+success/3350948/story.htmlAug 04 00:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Congratulations, Google: Android is a huge success so far .::. Size~: 88.49 KBAug 04 00:00
schestowitz"Ms. Jarrin is part of a hard-luck group of jobless Americans whose members have taken to calling themselves “99ers,” because they have exhausted the maximum 99 weeks of unemployment insurance benefits that they can claim."Aug 04 00:00
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yes, I wrote about thatAug 04 00:01
Chips_B_Malroyofficial unemployment here in Nevada is now 14%Aug 04 00:01
schestowitzThe other day...Aug 04 00:01
schestowitzCNN spread the same nonssenseAug 04 00:01
schestowitzAfter Eric had claimed that Google would make billions from it laterAug 04 00:01
Chips_B_Malroywe are the backrupcy, foreclosure leader in the USAAug 04 00:01
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: in spain it's over 20$Aug 04 00:01
Chips_B_Malroywell, really it is here tooAug 04 00:01
cubezzz3yes, it was even in the Canadian papersAug 04 00:02
Chips_B_Malroyjust the way the gov does the figuresAug 04 00:02
cubezzz3something like 6% foreclosuresAug 04 00:02
schestowitzA friend today who's a finance veteran/former lecturer says some parts of Spain have >40% unemployment and half the shops are shutAug 04 00:02
schestowitzSo he reckons it's "another Greece"Aug 04 00:02
Chips_B_Malroyone house in every 15 is in foreclosure hereAug 04 00:02
schestowitzWhose sources?Aug 04 00:02
Chips_B_Malroywow, must be bad hereAug 04 00:03
schestowitzI mean, I don't know what definitions they go byAug 04 00:03
Chips_B_Malroywould you believe the source is off TVAug 04 00:03
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I'm not too worried about long termAug 04 00:03
schestowitzI mean, I doAug 04 00:03
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schestowitzLong termAug 04 00:03
Chips_B_Malroythe gal running against the Speaker of the houseAug 04 00:04
schestowitzCause production will decline, radicalism increase, and the East (Asia) will exploit this to run ahead also with space programmesAug 04 00:04
Chips_B_Malroyher advertisementAug 04 00:04
schestowitzNASA will soon just put astronauts on foreign missionsAug 04 00:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks in Baghdad | Nation http://bit.ly/cGviIYAug 04 00:11
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Chips_B_MalroyWoops, I got it wrong on the unemployment rate here, it went upAug 04 00:12
ml2mst<schestowitz> I haven't seen any dents from you today, everything all right?Aug 04 00:13
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST320000&dl=en&hl=en&q=nevada+unemployment+rateAug 04 00:13
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schestowitzHil ml2mstAug 04 00:13
Chips_B_Malroy14.2%Aug 04 00:13
schestowitzml2mst: I posted some in the morningAug 04 00:13
schestowitzSpend the rest of the day with a friend and the gymAug 04 00:13
ml2mst<schestowitz> OK, I was a bit worriedAug 04 00:14
Chips_B_Malroyand this is the busy season for VegasAug 04 00:14
schestowitzml2mst: did you see them?Aug 04 00:14
schestowitzI think they all got through, I saw them here and in the KDE clientAug 04 00:14
schestowitzml2mst: how's it going anyway?Aug 04 00:14
ml2mst<schestowitz> No, that's what worried me ;-)Aug 04 00:15
ml2mst<schestowitz> Fine, thanks for asking.Aug 04 00:15
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ml2mst<schestowitz> I'm having a new job, for a couple of weeks, that's probably why I missed your postings this morningAug 04 00:16
schestowitzml2mst: job you like?Aug 04 00:17
schestowitzWhoa.Aug 04 00:17
schestowitzJust got the netcraft bar thingie updatedAug 04 00:17
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://wmpoweruser.com/ballmer-being-suppressed-towards-wp7-expectations-which-is-good/comment-page-1/Aug 04 00:17
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schestowitzTechrights climbed to 1060th on the Web!Aug 04 00:17
schestowitzStill ahead of GroklawAug 04 00:17
schestowitzAlso resolved the upgrade issue, which is a massive reliefAug 04 00:18
ml2mst<schestowitz> nothing computer or ICT related, but it pays the bills ;-)Aug 04 00:18
schestowitzHelps society?Aug 04 00:18
schestowitzThat wouild be the important thingAug 04 00:18
schestowitzMany jobs exploit and monetise a harm to societyAug 04 00:18
schestowitzBe it hedge funds, telemarketing, scams/FUD...Aug 04 00:18
schestowitzIt's scary how many people making a living by disrupting solidarityAug 04 00:19
schestowitzThe thing is, as the economy goes down people will be willing to accept unethical jobs tooAug 04 00:21
schestowitzI was given a job offer in a s/w company down in London, but they create gambling s/w which is also proprietary. Anyway, I declined.. might do lecturing soon.Aug 04 00:22
Chips_B_Malroypoker?Aug 04 00:23
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: that tooAug 04 00:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 3/8/2010: Apache Climbs, Zenoss Joins The Linux Foundation http://techrights.org/2010/08/03/illumos-launched/Aug 04 00:26
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ml2mst<schestowtiz> "Helps society? etc was still about my new job or not?Aug 04 00:28
ml2mstOh my, "schestowtiz" sounds like a new Flatfish nym (was clearly a typo) :-(Aug 04 00:31
schestowitzml2mst: :-)Aug 04 00:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Techrights has just climbed to 1060th on the Web in Netcraft traffic rank. Tell friends/peers about the site. :-)Aug 04 00:33
schestowitzMe? Gary?Aug 04 00:34
schestowitzml2mst: I meant, no job is shameful unless it harms solidarity as a matter of design (there are jobs like that)Aug 04 00:34
schestowitzThe farmer, for example, helps society more than a highly paid Wall Street speculatorAug 04 00:35
ml2mst<schestowitz> I will never have a "anti-social" job. Marketing, FUD etc.Aug 04 00:35
schestowitzI knowAug 04 00:36
schestowitzYou're a good personAug 04 00:36
schestowitzI know some who are notAug 04 00:36
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ml2mstSo are you Roy and remember that the majority of good people highly appreciate your good work.Aug 04 00:38
strlcatgreetingsAug 04 00:39
strlcatjust got back from GUADECAug 04 00:40
strlcatheard some things on the "down low" that were... interestingAug 04 00:40
strlcate.g. overheard a rumor that Canonical is negotiating the buyout of the Mono team and the SUSE team from NovellAug 04 00:41
Chips_B_MalroyRoy> I have worked in the Gambling Industry, and its a paycheck.  I bet a lot of those who work for MS would say that too, especially now as the economy is so bad.  But to me, working in the Gambling Industry, is more ethical than would be working for MS.Aug 04 00:42
strlcatmight tie in to the reaon those mono pushers are arguing to have MS added to planet gnomeAug 04 00:43
strlcatreason evenAug 04 00:43
strlcatMS = Mark ShuttleworthAug 04 00:44
strlcatnot Micro$haftAug 04 00:44
strlcat(in case that wasn't clear)Aug 04 00:44
Chips_B_Malroyah, okAug 04 00:44
schestowitzml2mst: thanks, yours tooAug 04 00:45
schestowitzYou ought to be using identica/twitter more oftenAug 04 00:45
schestowitzWe hardly get input from you hereAug 04 00:46
strlcatit's just a rumor, but it sems to clickAug 04 00:46
schestowitzstrlcat: any source for that?Aug 04 00:46
schestowitzIt makes no senseAug 04 00:46
strlcatwell, I don't want to get the guy who told me in troubleAug 04 00:46
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: gambling bankrupts even more peopleAug 04 00:47
strlcatbut he works for CanonicalAug 04 00:47
schestowitzLottery tooAug 04 00:47
strlcathoweverAug 04 00:47
schestowitzstrlcat: where did the rumour come from?Aug 04 00:47
Chips_B_Malroyof course, gambling is an addiction with some peopleAug 04 00:47
strlcathe was passing on a rumor, he didn't know for sure if it was true eitherAug 04 00:47
schestowitzMark tried to poach opensuse developers by posting in their mailing list in 2006Aug 04 00:48
strlcatrandom chitchat at dinner one night at GUADECAug 04 00:48
schestowitzWhich person?Aug 04 00:48
strlcatlike I said, I don't want to get him in trouble for leaking itAug 04 00:48
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: give them crackAug 04 00:48
schestowitzAlso addictive, probably less harmful to them :-)Aug 04 00:48
schestowitzstrlcat: "leaking" implies it's trueAug 04 00:49
schestowitzOr substantiatedAug 04 00:49
schestowitzNovell is looking for buyersAug 04 00:49
Chips_B_MalroyTrue gamblers will always find a way or place to gamble.  its like prohibion, you cannot really stop it.Aug 04 00:49
schestowitzOf pices of the companyAug 04 00:49
schestowitzSo offloading opensuse makes sense to themAug 04 00:49
schestowitzopensuse has just hired two more peopleAug 04 00:49
schestowitzJos and another devAug 04 00:50
strlcatnodAug 04 00:50
strlcatand buying out suse might help them get their foot in the door in the enterprise desktop marketAug 04 00:51
strlcatwhich is where they could make good moneyAug 04 00:51
strlcatredhat owns the server spaceAug 04 00:51
strlcatand canonical pretty much dominates the end-user desktop marketAug 04 00:52
schestowitzYeahAug 04 00:52
schestowitzBut opensuse or suse?Aug 04 00:52
schestowitzWill Novell make SLES off that?Aug 04 00:52
strlcatthere's a difference?Aug 04 00:52
schestowitz*WouldAug 04 00:52
schestowitzstrlcat: slightAug 04 00:52
schestowitzBut can Mark pay their wagesAug 04 00:52
schestowitzOpenSUSE doesn't have much incomeAug 04 00:52
strlcatoh, right, opensuse is the community versionAug 04 00:53
schestowitzAlthough Novell claims to have made its Linux biz profitable and self-sustainingAug 04 00:53
strlcatI don't think opensuse itself would help canonicalAug 04 00:53
strlcatI think they need SLEAug 04 00:53
schestowitzYsAug 04 00:53
schestowitzBut..Aug 04 00:53
schestowitzIt's RPMAug 04 00:53
schestowitzUbuntu is too distant from SUSE technicallyAug 04 00:53
strlcatschestowitz: they wouldn't have to use the SUSE packagesAug 04 00:54
strlcatthe point of them buying SLE would be for the brandAug 04 00:54
strlcatand then they'd put the suse engineers on ubuntuAug 04 00:54
strlcatI would guessAug 04 00:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've been getting rumours/"leaks" about Canonical planning to buy #OpenSUSE from #Novell . #ubuntu #suse (source not named/verified)Aug 04 00:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks *tripled* total war coverage last week. | Pew http://bit.ly/dcBelMAug 04 00:55
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strlcatI imagine mark is wealthy enough to pay the salaries, especially if things pan out and they start profitingAug 04 00:56
strlcatthere was also talk of switching to BansheeAug 04 00:56
strlcatbut...Aug 04 00:56
strlcatI've been hearing that rumor for yearsAug 04 00:56
strlcatand they haven't yetAug 04 00:56
strlcatso who knowsAug 04 00:57
strlcatbut if the rumors about them bidding for Mono/SUSE are trueAug 04 00:57
strlcatthen I wouldn't doubt they switch to BansheeAug 04 00:57
strlcatI saw jonobacon pushing banshee yesterdayAug 04 00:57
strlcatso to me, things are definitely clickingAug 04 00:57
strlcatsupposedly Mono is also self-sustaining over at NovellAug 04 00:58
strlcatI just found it interestingAug 04 00:59
strlcatdidn't expect to hear thatAug 04 00:59
schestowitzHMmmm...Aug 04 01:00
schestowitzAug 04 01:00
schestowitz[00:54] <strlcat> schestowitz: they wouldn't have to use the SUSE packagesAug 04 01:00
schestowitzYes, but then redundancy at workAug 04 01:00
strlcatnot at allAug 04 01:00
strlcatthey'd simply move the suse devs to work on ubuntuAug 04 01:00
schestowitz[00:56] <strlcat> there was also talk of switching to BansheeAug 04 01:00
schestowitzYes, jonobacon has been boosting banshee a lot recentlyAug 04 01:00
strlcatexactlyAug 04 01:01
schestowitz[00:57] <strlcat> I saw jonobacon pushing banshee yesterdayAug 04 01:01
schestowitzah, beat me to itAug 04 01:01
strlcat:)Aug 04 01:01
schestowitzBut was the source of the "leak" from GNOME, Canonical, or Novell?Aug 04 01:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Off to bed. Tired and saddened about the pointless attacks against !ubuntu and even worst, personal attacks against @fabsh :-(Aug 04 01:01
strlcatCanonicalAug 04 01:02
schestowitzOr what level was s/he?Aug 04 01:02
strlcatjust a devAug 04 01:02
schestowitzAh... that's a valid sourceAug 04 01:02
schestowitzMaybe he only negotiates itAug 04 01:02
schestowitzPlaying/toying with the ideaAug 04 01:02
schestowitzNovell is quiet cause it talks to ~20 potential buyers, according to the WSJAug 04 01:02
strlcatrightAug 04 01:03
schestowitzNovell doesn't know how to split the companyAug 04 01:03
schestowitzTo make the assets valuableAug 04 01:03
schestowitzIt's a complictaed decisionAug 04 01:03
strlcatrightAug 04 01:03
schestowitzLike, "if we sell SUSE, then we can sell to X, Y, and Z, except W"Aug 04 01:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Off to bed. Tired and saddened about the pointless attacks against #ubuntu and even worst, personal attacks against @fabsh :-(Aug 04 01:03
schestowitzAnd then you need feedback/verification from biddersAug 04 01:04
schestowitzml2mst: what attacks on feb?Aug 04 01:04
strlcatnodAug 04 01:04
schestowitz*fabAug 04 01:04
schestowitzDid he recite the Fedora line and bashed Ubuntu?Aug 04 01:04
schestowitzstrlcat: http://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44955709 "@schestowitz It is a stretch, but if they did what would they do with all the anti fs Novell has?"Aug 04 01:05
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strlcatthis rumor might explain why Novell have been defending Ubuntu in the recent debatesAug 04 01:05
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44955740 "@schestowitz *ahem* next time maybe, y'know, *verify* them, then? thanks. !ubuntu"Aug 04 01:05
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schestowitzBut the source was a Canonical devAug 04 01:05
strlcatright, but don't you think it'd make sense that some Novell people know about the deal too?Aug 04 01:06
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44955951 "@schestowitz Must read your posts properly forget my last enquiry"Aug 04 01:06
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schestowitzstrlcat: don't know about Novell, never heard this beforeAug 04 01:06
schestowitz"@schestowitz do they HAVE enough money?" http://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44955967Aug 04 01:06
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ml2mstNo, IMO people where needlessly rude to fabshAug 04 01:06
schestowitzI wonder the same thingAug 04 01:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Reality vs. perception: US citizens under 50 years approve of disclosing classified war docs | Pew http://bit.ly/dcBelMAug 04 01:07
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strlcathehAug 04 01:07
schestowitz"@schestowitz oh.. just #OpenSuse I thought you meant buy #Novell hahaha, right." http://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44956016Aug 04 01:07
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strlcatI don't think Canonical would want to buy *all* of NovellAug 04 01:07
strlcatthat'd be retardedAug 04 01:07
schestowitzml2mst: yeahAug 04 01:07
ml2mstGoodnight all, sweet dreams ;-)Aug 04 01:07
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schestowitzml2mst: last month I met someone from Debian and he was harsh on himAug 04 01:07
schestowitzsaid he couldn't stand fab, so didn't listen to Linux OutlawsAug 04 01:08
schestowitzHe said this at the pub...Aug 04 01:08
strlcatI'm thinking that miguel would be privvy to any sort of mono buyout detailsAug 04 01:09
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strlcatfor exampleAug 04 01:09
strlcathe's like a CXO or something, right?Aug 04 01:09
strlcatI just think that the mono guys are fighting too hard for Mark S to be added to planet gnome for this to be a coincidenceAug 04 01:13
schestowitzhe's VPAug 04 01:13
strlcatokAug 04 01:14
schestowitzBut Untz (not Mono) said noAug 04 01:14
schestowitzThe Ximian guys said yesAug 04 01:14
schestowitzMonoel and JeffAug 04 01:14
strlcatsure, but it might be above Untz's "pay grade"Aug 04 01:15
schestowitz"Mono means monkey"Aug 04 01:15
schestowitzMonkey boy :-)Aug 04 01:15
strlcathe's probably not provvy to the dealAug 04 01:15
schestowitzUntz is the GNOME headAug 04 01:15
strlcatprivvy evenAug 04 01:15
strlcatsure, but where in Novell's chain of command does he fall?Aug 04 01:16
strlcatpretty low I betAug 04 01:16
strlcatwhereas Miguel is pretty highAug 04 01:16
strlcatUntz is, afaik, just a developer still (and developers fall at the bottom of the pyramid)Aug 04 01:17
strlcatI don't know JeffAug 04 01:17
strlcator where he falls in that pyramidAug 04 01:17
strlcatbut we do know Miguel is pretty high upAug 04 01:17
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strlcatand if Jeff is from their Ximian daysAug 04 01:19
schestowitz[01:16] <strlcat> pretty low I betAug 04 01:19
schestowitzYesAug 04 01:19
schestowitzAFAIKAug 04 01:19
schestowitzI didn't know about him until 1.5 years agoAug 04 01:19
strlcathe's probably pretty high rankingAug 04 01:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] British Computer Society (BCS) Distances Itself From Controversial Article Belittling Free/Libre Software #Security http://ur1.ca/0zu7vAug 04 01:20
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schestowitz[01:17] <strlcat> I don't know JeffAug 04 01:20
strlcatsenior developer at leastAug 04 01:20
schestowitzhe does Evolution codingAug 04 01:20
schestowitzbasically ximian projectsAug 04 01:20
strlcatjust like michael meeksAug 04 01:20
schestowitzEw... MEeksAug 04 01:20
strlcatschestowitz: he doesn't seem to contribute much to evolution these daysAug 04 01:20
schestowitzHe's one of the few Novell staff that mailed meAug 04 01:20
schestowitzstrlcat: meeksAug 04 01:21
strlcatfrom what I've seen in the commits listsAug 04 01:21
strlcatI'm talking about JeffAug 04 01:21
schestowitzhe did for meego, iircAug 04 01:21
strlcatoh, maybeAug 04 01:21
strlcatoddly enough, he somehow ended up being in the top 10 contributorsAug 04 01:22
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44636623#notice-44956487 "@schestowitz and tell me: what does a dev know about corporate strategy?.. :) thing is, the linux/floss/ubuntu communities are extremely..."Aug 04 01:22
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schestowitz"@schestowitz ...troll-happy. it's very easy to start a flamewar (just *imagine* what a flamewar *that* could be!) - and destroy some good..."Aug 04 01:22
schestowitz"@schestowitz ...hard work of many people. rumours tend to start flemewars, too. so the way I see it - let's verify and not feed the trolls."Aug 04 01:23
strlcatbut I haven't seen any commits by him in the past few years that I've been subscribed to the commits listAug 04 01:23
schestowitzI made it clear that it was just a rumour though, for now.Aug 04 01:23
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44957041Aug 04 01:23
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strlcatnodAug 04 01:24
strlcatyeaAug 04 01:24
schestowitz"@schestowitz It'd be interesting to see how each one reacts, to say the least xD' http://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44957286Aug 04 01:24
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schestowitz"@schestowitz God forbid the two distros merge. !Ubuntu has the the most civil community I've seen. OpenSUSE has one of the ruder ones"Aug 04 01:25
strlcathehAug 04 01:25
schestowitz" It's not about Novell, which still has ~20 bidders 2 buy the company (source: WSJ). The source of the rumour is said to be can dev"Aug 04 01:27
schestowitzstrlcat: I hope you're not making this upAug 04 01:27
strlcatI'm notAug 04 01:27
strlcatbut like I said, not 100% verified - the dev that mentioned it wasn't even sure it was trueAug 04 01:28
strlcatI just think it explains some recent eventsAug 04 01:28
strlcatthat I would have thought strange otherwiseAug 04 01:28
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/steve_ballmer_if_we_cant_compete_with_google_shame_on_us_apples_anothe/Aug 04 01:29
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strlcatthat said, wife is calling me to help her hang some picture framesAug 04 01:30
strlcatso I best get going ;)Aug 04 01:30
schestowitz"@alpacaherder I heard about it just an hour ago. Source said to be from Canonical (but not direct quote, also verbal)"Aug 04 01:30
schestowitz"so will OpenSuse become based on Debian?" http://identi.ca/notice/44958047Aug 04 01:30
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strlcatcool, so someone else also heard itAug 04 01:30
schestowitzNot sure.. but anyway it might be just negotiationsAug 04 01:31
strlcatnodAug 04 01:31
schestowitzSo even if true, we might never find outAug 04 01:31
strlcatif they don't go thru, yeaAug 04 01:31
strlcatok, well, I'm offAug 04 01:31
strlcatgood talking with youAug 04 01:31
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Chips_B_MalroyFlowmax needed:  http://money.cnn.com/2010/07/29/technology/microsoft_analyst_meeting/Aug 04 01:32
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/202277/windows_7_tablets_just_say_no_microsoft.html?tk=hp_blgAug 04 01:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Should America destroy WikiLeaks like any other national security threat? http://bit.ly/cXUXHw NO http://bit.ly/cpxJWCAug 04 01:34
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schestowitz"@schestowitz That would be interesting actually" http://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44958618Aug 04 01:41
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: it's Apple vs MicrosftAug 04 01:42
schestowitzI veer away from such articlesAug 04 01:42
schestowitzBrand warsAug 04 01:42
schestowitzHannibal versus Hannibal Aug 04 01:43
Chips_B_Malroyonce in awhile the Macheads say something usefulAug 04 01:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Now 62% in US say war in Afghanistan going badly or very badly. http://politi.co/97mq1r http://bit.ly/cpxJWCAug 04 01:43
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Chips_B_MalroySo the question is, is Ballmer zune to be gone?Aug 04 01:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Congressman: Execute WikiLeaks leaker http://politi.co/bWKYXg disagree? http://bit.ly/bemkO7Aug 04 01:47
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: yesAug 04 01:48
schestowitzI don't think they need to wait any longer cause Pink is deadAug 04 01:48
schestowitzPink=KINAug 04 01:48
schestowitzMaybe they want to space out the announcements of dead productsAug 04 01:48
Chips_B_MalroyThats seems to be all MS has left, job and product cuts.  The cuts drive up the profit ratio's for the next quarter.Aug 04 01:50
Chips_B_MalroyThe economy is getting worse here in the StatesAug 04 01:50
FurnaceBoywishing for Ballmer to go is like wishing for Bush to go. the absence is a relief, but purely symbolic.Aug 04 01:51
Chips_B_Malroydispite what the gov and news outlets try to say, there is no recoveryAug 04 01:51
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FurnaceBoy(and same applies to Blair, I guess, schestowitz Aug 04 01:51
Chips_B_MalroyThe fact that the government cannot bring itself to label this as a depression shows its dept of dishonestly.Aug 04 01:52
FurnaceBoyheh.Aug 04 01:52
Chips_B_Malroy*dishonestyAug 04 01:52
FurnaceBoythe govt - brought to you by the same ppl who broke your economy.Aug 04 01:52
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Chips_B_MalroySo what is the future now of Danger?  Rolled into WP7 awaiting the next wav of layoffs?Aug 04 01:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Feeling like kKkKkKkKkKkKkKK....Aug 04 01:54
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: yesAug 04 01:55
Chips_B_MalroyIf that is the case, then MS will be overstaffed when WP7 failsAug 04 01:55
schestowitzBlair is now receiving peace prizes :-)Aug 04 01:55
schestowitzmaybe to be EU DGAug 04 01:55
schestowitzVP7Aug 04 01:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rumour: #Canonical Interested in Buying #OpenSUSE http://ur1.ca/0zufv more specific details. #ubuntu #novellAug 04 01:55
TechrightsBotTitle: Rumour: Canonical Interested in Buying OpenSUSE | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.09 KBAug 04 01:56
schestowitzLike VP8Aug 04 01:56
schestowitzVista Phone 7Aug 04 01:56
Chips_B_MalroyVaper Phone 7 or 8Aug 04 01:56
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44959323 "@schestowitz @ender2070 Would they shut down Suse ??? What could happen ???"Aug 04 01:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 22.93 KBAug 04 01:56
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/BlackOtaku/statuses/20261673213 "It'd be interesting to see how each one reacts, to say the least xD"Aug 04 01:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Twitter / Avichi Suite: @schestowitz It'd be inter ... .::. Size~: 11.56 KBAug 04 01:57
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/cmsj "I just "liked" a dent from Roy Schestowitz about Canonical buying openSUSE. I have no idea at all if it's true, but it seems unlikely ;)"Aug 04 01:57
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Chips_B_Malroydoes it seem to anyone else, like the sale of Novell has been put on hold until the SCO appealed is settled?Aug 04 01:59
Chips_B_Malroy*apealAug 04 02:00
Chips_B_Malroytherefore, I cannot see Novell selling off a part of itself.  Aug 04 02:01
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jweyrichFurnaceBoy: prepared some cheese rolls. gah, I'll die eating.Aug 04 02:05
ender2070wouldn't it be hilarious if SCO bought Novell somehowAug 04 02:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Reader’s Post: Steve Ballmer Threatens #Apple and All #Tablet Makers http://techrights.org/2010/08/03/steve-ballmer-and-tablets/Aug 04 02:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Readers Post: Steve Ballmer Threatens Apple and All Tablet Makers | Techrights .::. Size~: 79.21 KBAug 04 02:06
ender2070or if darl mcbride came out of nowhere with his pyramid scheme money and bought them bothAug 04 02:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @richardfontana #swpats are external to (C) license problem (usually). Can control use of non-FaiF licenses unless we put expediency 1stAug 04 02:07
cubezzz3OLPC is still active yes?Aug 04 02:08
ender2070hey chipsAug 04 02:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US senators try to gut shield bill; great! All the more leaks for us and Iceland http://nyti.ms/96bjh1 http://bit.ly/dh8bx6Aug 04 02:12
TechrightsBotTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 8.98 KBAug 04 02:12
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Chips_B_MalroyHi EnderAug 04 02:12
Chips_B_Malroyit is a slow news dayAug 04 02:14
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Apple+Amazon+book+price+fixing/3354911/story.htmlAug 04 02:16
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple and Amazon in e-book price fixing row .::. Size~: 101.84 KBAug 04 02:16
schestowitzender2070: possibleAug 04 02:16
schestowitzcubezzz3: it isAug 04 02:16
Chips_B_Malroy"Aug 04 02:17
Chips_B_MalroyAmazon and Apple are being investigated for allegedly seeking to fix the price of e-books by signing contracts with six of the world's biggest publishers that banned them from selling the digital books to rivals for lower prices.Aug 04 02:17
Chips_B_MalroyAccording to authorities in the United States, such contracts could "threaten to encourage co-ordinated pricing and discourage discounting".Aug 04 02:17
Chips_B_MalroyRead more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Apple+Amazon+book+price+fixing/3354911/story.html#ixzz0vbgsxVjsAug 04 02:17
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple and Amazon in e-book price fixing row .::. Size~: 101.95 KBAug 04 02:17
cubezzz3"Many might also remember similar things done to the Sharp Zaurus, Palm and the handheld market almost a decade ago."Aug 04 02:18
cubezzz3what did Microsoft to do Sharp?Aug 04 02:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Patents on Business Methods, Bilski, the Troll Problem, and Patent Fatalities http://ur1.ca/0zul6Aug 04 02:19
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cubezzz3can't even remember anyone in Canada selling ZaurusAug 04 02:20
cubezzz3which was a pityAug 04 02:20
schestowitzZaurus is a Japanese thingAug 04 02:21
schestowitzThe US used PacketPC junkAug 04 02:21
cubezzz3Zaurus was/is good, I still use itAug 04 02:21
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44961102Aug 04 02:22
schestowitz"must sources be shared for journalism to be Free? :-) @schestowitz: I heard about it just an hour ago. *Source* said..."Aug 04 02:22
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schestowitz"anonymous leaks are part of journalism too- sometimes, the most important part"Aug 04 02:22
schestowitz"sometimes anonymity is the first crack in a regime that freedom can flow through"Aug 04 02:22
schestowitz"fully agreed. it's just that I'd never thought about sharing sources in the context of journalism, and found it amusing"Aug 04 02:22
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/attachment/24072407 "well it's good to name sources when they don't care about anonymity- depends though- if they SHOULD care and just don't, you might be doing them a favor if you don't name them"Aug 04 02:23
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.seolawfirm.com/2010/08/another-bite-out-of-apple/Aug 04 02:23
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.ibtimes.com/articles/40485/20100803/apple-ipad-data-cost-price.htm  The cost per gigabyte of internet downloading on Ipad per some countries, interestingAug 04 02:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Varying iPad data cost reveals Apple's weak global strategy - International Business Times .::. Size~: 55.11 KBAug 04 02:25
Chips_B_Malroy"Aug 04 02:26
Chips_B_MalroyThe table was assorted by Tableau software. US figured fifth on the list with a rate of $12.50 per GB. iPad data cost is the highest in France where it costs $25.47 per GB followed by Belgium and Luxembourg at $21.77 each.Aug 04 02:26
Chips_B_MalroyThe cheapest place to access data through iPad is Singapore where it costs $0.51 per GB followed by HongKong at $0.72 per GB. Aug 04 02:26
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/7915828/Apple-sued-by-users-of-overheating-iPad.htmlAug 04 02:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple sued by users of 'overheating' iPad - Telegraph .::. Size~: 48.24 KBAug 04 02:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The old media calls for its competitors to be taken out with air strikes. http://is.gd/e1jk3 Bet the RIAA wish they'd thought of that one.Aug 04 02:28
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Chips_B_MalroyARM chip, should it overheat?Aug 04 02:28
cubezzz3I doubt itAug 04 02:29
Chips_B_Malroy"The customers say the tablet computer is ?virtually unusable? in relatively common conditions such as direct sunlight because it can cut out after only a few minutes of use. "Aug 04 02:29
cubezzz3I've run chess programs on it for hoursAug 04 02:29
cubezzz3at least on SL-5500Aug 04 02:29
Chips_B_Malroyyou have an Ipad?Aug 04 02:30
cubezzz3no, zaurus, sorry :)Aug 04 02:30
cubezzz3I saw ARMAug 04 02:30
cubezzz3I'd never buy an IpadAug 04 02:30
Chips_B_MalroyI thought notAug 04 02:30
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://news.peacefmonline.com/tech/201008/66312.php  Ipod this timeAug 04 02:32
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Chips_B_Malroy"Aug 04 02:33
Chips_B_MalroyApple has been ordered to explain to Japan's industry ministry what it plans to do about cases of its iPod Nano music player overheating and catching fire.Aug 04 02:33
Chips_B_MalroyThere have been at least 27 incidents of the device overheating while charging.Aug 04 02:33
Chips_B_MalroyFinding dirt on Apple is almost as good as MSAug 04 02:33
cubezzz3Apple is actually pretty evilAug 04 02:37
Chips_B_MalroyRoy must have already posted on this one:  http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/vulnerabilities/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226200022&subSection=NewsAug 04 02:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Dell Shipped Malware Infected Motherboards -- Malware -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 76.29 KBAug 04 02:38
cubezzz3lolAug 04 02:39
cubezzz3thats pretty badAug 04 02:39
Chips_B_Malroyand yes, its a windows malware Aug 04 02:39
Chips_B_Malroy"Dell has inadvertently shipped replacement motherboards for its PowerEdge servers that are infected with the Spybot worm. The malware affects servers running Windows, but not other operating systems."Aug 04 02:39
cubezzz3malware infected motherboard suggests the bios had malware on itAug 04 02:40
Chips_B_MalroyyesAug 04 02:40
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Chips_B_Malroyhow do you expect windows users to be safe running windows when dell can't even ship motherboard without embedding windows malware in the bios?  That would have been a question I would have asked on MS Watch in the pastAug 04 02:41
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44961882 "don't sweat it, I'm not pressing for anything. it was nothing but a joke about Free Software journalism"Aug 04 02:41
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schestowitzToo much transparency deters whistle blowers.Aug 04 02:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Whitehouse claims we did not contact them asking for War Diary vetting. NYTimes says they passed on EXACTLY this message.Aug 04 02:42
Chips_B_Malroywikileaks--you can't handle the truthAug 04 02:42
cubezzz3how in the world did malware get on the bios? :)Aug 04 02:42
cubezzz3well coreboot can fix that on some boards :)Aug 04 02:42
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/23/dell_malware_update/Aug 04 02:43
cubezzz3not too many people savvy enough for that Aug 04 02:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Dell blames staff for malware infection • The Register .::. Size~: 26.93 KBAug 04 02:43
Chips_B_Malroy"Dell is still not admitting how the W32.Spybot worm got into its systems and onto its hardware."Aug 04 02:44
cubezzz3well I suppose reflashing the bios chip would fix that problemAug 04 02:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @rcweir: "Microsoft is bolting Office to SharePoint to prevent customers from moving to other office products" http://bit.ly/9InPPgAug 04 02:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft's 2010 software 'most complicated lock-in decision in years' .::. Size~: 98.33 KBAug 04 02:45
Chips_B_Malroy"He said the spyware would only infect people running unpatched versions of Windows without any anti-virus software - so that's presumably what Dell factories run on."Aug 04 02:45
cubezzz3hehAug 04 02:45
cubezzz3not too smartAug 04 02:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @NixiePixel: #Android Outpaces iPhone in Share of New Smartphone Users http://bit.ly/aYF8tZAug 04 02:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Android Outpaces iPhone in Share of New U.S. Smartphone Customers for First Half of 2010 - Mac Rumors .::. Size~: 17.32 KBAug 04 02:46
Chips_B_MalroyWell, Dell has lost a lot of market share in the last few yearsAug 04 02:46
cubezzz3that's it, I'm switching to IRIX :)Aug 04 02:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Firefox To Make History, About To Surpass IE in Europe - http://bit.ly/9Zw55vAug 04 02:48
TechrightsBotTitle: Firefox To Make History, About To Surpass IE in Europe | ConceivablyTech .::. Size~: 60.27 KBAug 04 02:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] We asked Whitehouse to help "on the identification of innocents for this material if it is willing to provide reviewers".Aug 04 02:49
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.technewsdaily.com/malware-computer-viruses-challenge-firewall-antivirus-protection-0918/Aug 04 02:50
Chips_B_MalroyThis whole article is telling how bad the problem is, and I don't think once they use the "Windows" word.Aug 04 02:51
Chips_B_MalroyIrix?Aug 04 02:53
cubezzz3just a jokeAug 04 02:53
Chips_B_Malroyits not free, is it?Aug 04 02:53
cubezzz3no :)Aug 04 02:53
cubezzz3probably Haiku is the next best alternativeAug 04 02:54
cubezzz3AROS just isn't up to snuff yetAug 04 02:54
Chips_B_MalroyHaiku is okAug 04 02:54
Chips_B_MalroyIt runs in a vm in virtualboxAug 04 02:54
Chips_B_MalroyReactOS will too, but not as mature I think in some ways.  Harder maybe to do?Aug 04 02:55
cubezzz3not too interested in ReactOSAug 04 02:56
Chips_B_Malroyof course, you would need a faster machine for Chrome OS and AndroidAug 04 02:56
cubezzz3the 50 mhz 486 ran X alrightAug 04 02:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Laughs at — Then Deceives on — Interoperability http://techrights.org/2010/08/03/discriminating-against-rival-platforms/Aug 04 02:58
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://kpbj.com/headlines/laws_and_litigation/2010-08-03/jury_says_bill_gates_owned_company_committed_fraudAug 04 03:08
TechrightsBotTitle: KPBJ.COM | Jury says Bill Gates-owned company committed fraud | Laws And Litigation Article | The KPBJ | KITSAP PENINSULA BUSINESS JOURNAL .::. Size~: 39.99 KBAug 04 03:08
Chips_B_Malroy6 hours agoAug 04 03:08
DaemonFCPlayOnLinux works better than I thought it wouldAug 04 03:08
ender2070Gentoo has gotten a lot better than it used to beAug 04 03:10
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44635557#notice-44963536 " Free press != open-source journalism ;-)"Aug 04 03:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Entryism Claimed at #Python http://techrights.org/2010/08/03/mailing-lists-msft-adverts/Aug 04 03:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Eric Margolis on the ISI (video) | RNN http://bit.ly/buw7NiAug 04 03:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Congressman demands execution for Collateral Murder video http://bit.ly/d8rKOu release http://bit.ly/aNJVFlAug 04 03:27
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- MSNBC: Execute Wikileaks Leaker? (Cenk Debates) .::. Size~: 118.67 KBAug 04 03:27
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Chips_B_MalroyI think Roy posted this one already  http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/teachers/bill-gates-troubling-involveme.htmlAug 04 03:35
Chips_B_MalroyBill Gates' troubling involvement in school reformAug 04 03:36
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Chips_B_MalroygnAug 04 03:58
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DaemonFCWhy is PlayOnLinux getting Wine 1.1.44?Aug 04 04:19
DaemonFCI have 1.2Aug 04 04:19
DaemonFCcubezzz3, The Reptilians have a new angleAug 04 04:28
DaemonFCI noticed this at Walmart last night when I was buying bath soapAug 04 04:29
DaemonFCthey're sneaking triclocarbon into soap not marked "antibacterial" nowAug 04 04:29
DaemonFCI almost threw some in my cart before the tiny "drug facts" window caught my eyeAug 04 04:29
DaemonFCeveryone knows the reason they put that shit in there is to make people, on the whole, sickerAug 04 04:30
DaemonFCthat way you die sooner and pay the healthcare cartel more of your moneyAug 04 04:30
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 04:30
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TriclocarbanAug 04 04:33
TechrightsBotTitle: Triclocarban - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 29.37 KBAug 04 04:33
DaemonFCI try to limit my exposure to that stuffAug 04 04:35
DaemonFCit's getting harder to avoid it thoughAug 04 04:35
DaemonFCPlayOnLinux's English translation could use some workAug 04 04:37
DaemonFCI'm getting this "All your base are belong to us" vibeAug 04 04:37
DaemonFCOh noez! Copy protection!Aug 04 04:38
DaemonFCIt won't "help me with illegal stuffs"Aug 04 04:39
DaemonFCjust install the damned thing and don't ask me how I'm going to run it :PAug 04 04:39
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_win7_ws&num=4Aug 04 06:04
TechrightsBotTitle: [Phoronix] Workstation Benchmarks: Windows 7 vs. Ubuntu Linux .::. Size~: 19.64 KBAug 04 06:04
DaemonFCUbuntu decimates Windows 7Aug 04 06:04
DaemonFCheheAug 04 06:04
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jonoschestowitz around?Aug 04 06:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ♺ @severedfifth: Awesome jam with Jim tonight, making steady progress to the stage. :-) #severedfifthAug 04 06:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Now sitting at E-India2010 Conference. #eINDIAAug 04 06:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @fabsh LOL! Lennart strikes again: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/i-am-more-awesome-than-canonical.htmlAug 04 06:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Folks, be sure to join me at my normal Ubuntu / Community vidcast - Wed 3rd Aug 2010 - http://is.gd/e1DyR #ubuntu #communityAug 04 07:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "13744 supplied" - http://bit.ly/bABirr Linus admits it: "I may have an addiction problem." #linusAug 04 08:05
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MinceRhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/lock-cracks/Aug 04 08:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] OpenScholar - http://bit.ly/cdwRnv "web site-creation package for the academic community." (via @lisah) #education #drupal #opensourceAug 04 08:18
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schestowitzjono seems to be trying to find meAug 04 08:20
schestowitzCan he actually /deny/ there's some truth to the allegation?Aug 04 08:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @schestowitz I don't know why, it came up in one random chitchat at dinner one night at GUADECAug 04 08:21
schestowitz I don't know why Mark would want to buy OpenSUSEAug 04 08:21
MinceRaddressing yourself on twitter? :>Aug 04 08:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Search in Firefox Bar Alone Is Bigger Than Bing, Yahoo; Bidding War Coming Soon - http://bit.ly/c7qB2J huge news for Mozilla #searchAug 04 08:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Google Search in Firefox Bar Alone Is Bigger Than Bing, Yahoo; Bidding War Coming Soon .::. Size~: 58.07 KBAug 04 08:23
DaemonFCVLC is uninstallableAug 04 08:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Jonathan Zuck, Microsoft's SMEs pro-software patent lobbyist in Europe, forgot to send a card to his mother for her day: http://ur1.ca/0zximAug 04 08:25
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Happy Mother's Day .::. Size~: 76.07 KBAug 04 08:25
DaemonFCbut other than that, Maverick isn't in bad shape right noAug 04 08:25
DaemonFC*nowAug 04 08:25
DaemonFCluckily libdvdcss has all that taste and just one little calorieAug 04 08:26
DaemonFC:PAug 04 08:26
schestowitzMinceR: auto-complete on "s"Aug 04 08:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, linux-ec2Aug 04 08:28
DaemonFCwasn't that their server kernel + Xen?Aug 04 08:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Beyond State Capitalism - http://bit.ly/bxykkX traditional economics is broken; this is how we fix it #commons #economicsAug 04 08:29
TechrightsBotTitle:  Beyond State Capitalism | On the Commons .::. Size~: 25.49 KBAug 04 08:29
DaemonFCoh, telepathy-butterfly is being temperamentalAug 04 08:30
DaemonFCEmpathy just kind of screams xchat-gnome at meAug 04 08:31
DaemonFCone of those pointless forks whose only reason for being is to remove featuresAug 04 08:31
DaemonFCMinceR, Did you see where they're building another IM client that lugs around Xulrunner?Aug 04 08:33
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 08:33
DaemonFCopen source has given 20 mediocre IM clients instead of one fully features oneAug 04 08:33
MinceRuse bitlbee or minbif with irssi and stop whining alreadyAug 04 08:34
schestowitzFully featured code for "bloated"Aug 04 08:34
DaemonFCwell, not reallyAug 04 08:34
DaemonFCpretty much all of them use an inordinate amount of resourcesAug 04 08:34
schestowitzEveryone wants an IM client to suck up 100 MB of RAMAug 04 08:34
DaemonFCand none of them work wellAug 04 08:34
*MinceR doesn'tAug 04 08:35
MinceRbitlbee "sucks up" 1968 kB hereAug 04 08:35
DaemonFChttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1545006Aug 04 08:35
DaemonFClolAug 04 08:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Blogging, anonymity and identity - http://bit.ly/aQ1ARF oh noes: is the world of llamas to become poorer? #identity #llamasAug 04 08:36
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MinceR whatAug 04 08:36
MinceRthose files should be ignored and they are, correctly.Aug 04 08:36
DaemonFCright, but it prints out spam every time you do anything with aptAug 04 08:37
DaemonFCwhich is a bugAug 04 08:37
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 08:37
MinceR(is sources.list.d a new feature btw?)Aug 04 08:37
MinceRit should be a low-level warning, not sure if it isAug 04 08:37
DaemonFCryan@ryan-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get autoremoveAug 04 08:38
DaemonFCReading package lists... DoneAug 04 08:38
DaemonFCBuilding dependency tree       Aug 04 08:38
DaemonFCReading state information... DoneAug 04 08:38
DaemonFC0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.Aug 04 08:38
DaemonFCN: Ignoring file 'ubuntu-x-swat-x-updates-maverick.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extensionAug 04 08:38
DaemonFCN: Ignoring file 'medibuntu.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extensionAug 04 08:38
DaemonFCN: Ignoring file 'c-korn-vlc-maverick.list.save' in directory '/etc/apt/sources.list.d/' as it has an invalid filename extensionAug 04 08:38
DaemonFC:DAug 04 08:38
DaemonFCevery time you add a PPA, you get another one of thoseAug 04 08:39
DaemonFCbut you can navigate to the directory and delete those save filesAug 04 08:39
DaemonFCand the messages go awayAug 04 08:39
DaemonFCand your PPAs are intactAug 04 08:40
DaemonFCryan@ryan-desktop:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ sudo rm *.saveAug 04 08:41
DaemonFCryan@ryan-desktop:/etc/apt/sources.list.d$ sudo apt-get autoremoveAug 04 08:41
DaemonFCReading package lists... DoneAug 04 08:41
DaemonFCBuilding dependency tree       Aug 04 08:41
DaemonFCReading state information... DoneAug 04 08:41
DaemonFC0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.Aug 04 08:41
DaemonFC:PAug 04 08:41
DaemonFCoh wellAug 04 08:41
DaemonFCthe .list files have the real repository data in themAug 04 08:42
DaemonFCthe save files are just something leftover from adding them using the ppa maskAug 04 08:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft Adds OpenStreetMap Layer to Bing Maps - http://bit.ly/aAVGDs yeah, open projects are really great, aren't they? #osm #microsoftAug 04 08:43
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DaemonFCI was jsut playing around with Empathy anyway just because I wanted to try the new versionAug 04 08:43
DaemonFCtime to purge it againAug 04 08:43
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DaemonFCI still argue that Empathy was pre-alpha quality when they scrapped PidginAug 04 08:45
DaemonFCand it's only now approaching beta levelAug 04 08:45
MinceRjust like kde4Aug 04 08:45
DaemonFCthere's still no way to turn off loggingAug 04 08:45
DaemonFCwhich is a privacy concernAug 04 08:45
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 08:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: @webmink after forking OpenSolaris with http://www.illumos.org/ - also thinking of GPL-ing stuff? Or will it stay CDDL?Aug 04 08:46
MinceRyou sound like you need debian :)Aug 04 08:46
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DaemonFCIs there a way to make Pulseaudio behave on Debian now?Aug 04 08:46
DaemonFCthe last time I tried poking at that it ended up crashing randomlyAug 04 08:46
MinceRdunnoAug 04 08:46
MinceRmaybe one day i'll stop avoiding PAAug 04 08:47
DaemonFCUbuntu is becoming like setting up WindowsAug 04 08:47
DaemonFCcrapware to remove, stupid defaults to override...Aug 04 08:47
DaemonFCetc.Aug 04 08:47
MinceRat least it isn't like setting up macos yetAug 04 08:47
MinceR(accepting that it's a shitpile and there's nothing you can do about it)Aug 04 08:47
DaemonFCEmpathy is the biggest piece of crapware that's ever hit GNOMEAug 04 08:47
DaemonFCI mean thatAug 04 08:47
MinceRnot mono?Aug 04 08:47
DaemonFCMono is not really a part of GNOMEAug 04 08:48
DaemonFCI keep saying that if nothing important depends on it and it's not an official part of GNOME, then it doesn't countAug 04 08:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Kanye West’s Tweets + The New Yorker Comics = Memetastic - http://bit.ly/bUEUKB mashup art for the 21st century #remix #humourAug 04 08:49
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DaemonFCif they were that eager to integrate Mono into GNOME, they could have done up GNOME Shell in C#Aug 04 08:49
DaemonFCwhich tells you that there are enough people at GNOME that are wary of Mono to prevent that level of dependence on itAug 04 08:49
MinceRit probably depends on who gets to start the projectAug 04 08:49
DaemonFCyou can get semi-decent performance from Mono if you avoid the Microsoft Windows specific crap as much as possibleAug 04 08:50
DaemonFCCairo.Mono and GTK# perform fairly wellAug 04 08:50
DaemonFCso performance is not really the problemAug 04 08:50
DaemonFCthey must have avoided using it deliberatelyAug 04 08:50
DaemonFCback to Debian though, they seem to be having organizational issuesAug 04 08:52
DaemonFCweren't they supposed to have frozen Squeeze for release in February?Aug 04 08:52
DaemonFCwhat ever happened to that?Aug 04 08:52
MinceRperhaps it isn't ready yetAug 04 08:53
DaemonFChmm, Testing has moved to Grub2Aug 04 08:53
DaemonFCniceAug 04 08:53
DaemonFCyeah, perhaps I could get away with going to DebianAug 04 08:54
DaemonFCthe difficulty of setting up Pulseaudio would be an issue thoughAug 04 08:54
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DaemonFChttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=53036#p305911Aug 04 08:57
DaemonFChmmmAug 04 08:57
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DaemonFCand I know Debian supports XFSAug 04 08:57
DaemonFCso I'm certain it could probably fill most of my requirementsAug 04 08:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Pharma and Software Companies File Joint Amicus Brief in Therasense Case - http://bit.ly/bkMEmo could someone explain, pl? important or not?Aug 04 08:59
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DaemonFCMinceR, That is temptingAug 04 09:00
DaemonFCI like how they don't force a pile of crapware down your throatAug 04 09:00
DaemonFCand set it to keep coming backAug 04 09:00
DaemonFC:PAug 04 09:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @webmink: Will Illumos Bring OpenSolaris Back To Life? Today sees the launch of the Illumos Project http://bit.ly/d5vHw3Aug 04 09:01
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DaemonFCmeh, what the hell?Aug 04 09:01
*DaemonFC grabs a Debian Testing netinst ISOAug 04 09:01
DaemonFCit's been a while since I've checked up on a pure Debian systemAug 04 09:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: AstroTurfer: http://twitter.com/AmberCadabraAug 04 09:03
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DaemonFChmmmAug 04 09:03
DaemonFCWe have ways of making you talkAug 04 09:04
DaemonFC:PAug 04 09:04
DaemonFC"No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!"Aug 04 09:04
DaemonFCbest movie line everAug 04 09:04
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 09:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Ecuador pledges no oil drilling in Amazon reserve - http://bit.ly/d9IZ3I great move: let's hope they mean it #oil #amazonAug 04 09:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some fake accounts in identica have been exploiting the "add back" feature; I'm cleaning up some rogue accounts from my listAug 04 09:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] This "subscribe back" feature is being abused too much. I'm disabling it. Those 'SEO' (spam) people ruined it.Aug 04 09:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] How Munich's #Linux migration appeared to be delayed by software patents 6 years ago http://bit.ly/bPXpTX #limux #swpat #patentAug 04 10:10
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MinceRgeekingsAug 04 10:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @jwildeboer: @webmink after forking OpenSolaris with http://www.illumos.org/ - also thinking of GPL-ing stuff? Or will it stay CDDL?Aug 04 10:15
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schestowitzI've finally tossed that background picture I had of Mandriva 2008.1 (2 years old) http://twitter.com/schestowitzAug 04 10:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] DRM and Other Forces Overriding the Three Laws of Robotics - http://bit.ly/dCcQFh fascinating - and important - thought #drm #roboticsAug 04 10:20
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schestowitzhttp://www.liliputing.com/2010/08/infinitec-launches-usb-drive-with-infinite-storage-space.htmlAug 04 10:31
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schestowitzSnake oil?Aug 04 10:31
schestowitz"But Infinitec doesn’t think that’s enough, and the company is offering a USB device that promises infinite storage."Aug 04 10:32
schestowitzMarkeing gimmicksAug 04 10:32
schestowitz*ketingAug 04 10:32
MinceRwow, 0 == infinity now?Aug 04 10:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A Guide to the Digital Economy Act - Part 5 - http://bit.ly/9xWaOM other provisions and summary #deactAug 04 10:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] New Linux is out and Microsoft's booster Gavin Clarke has to just say something negative and scary, as usual http://ur1.ca/0zysp *sigh*Aug 04 10:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android Tops iPhone In Sales http://ur1.ca/0zytc separation between hardware and free platforms pays off. Over 80 phone types!Aug 04 10:38
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schestowitzMinceR: you can downloads a gallon of the internets to itAug 04 10:41
MinceRlolAug 04 10:42
MinceRi've already connected the tubes to a reservoirAug 04 10:43
MinceRperhaps i should also keep some trucks aroundAug 04 10:43
cubezzz2there's a Senator Stevens rap on youtube :)Aug 04 10:44
cubezzz2it's not a giant truck!Aug 04 10:44
schestowitzMinceR: some people's entire "volume" amount to /mydocum~1 with some Word filesAug 04 10:45
schestowitzTo them, any USB drive has 'infinite' spaceAug 04 10:45
schestowitzSenator Stevens is corruptAug 04 10:45
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DaemonFCMinceR, Trying out Debian nowAug 04 10:55
DaemonFCit's like Ubuntu sans everything I hateAug 04 10:55
DaemonFCyayAug 04 10:55
MinceR:>Aug 04 10:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Canonical Chief Operating Officer Matt Asay tweets that Neary's analysis "tracks *all-time" #Gnome contributions." http://ur1.ca/0zz0rAug 04 10:59
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DaemonFCMinceR, I got Pulseaudio up and runningAug 04 11:01
DaemonFCand I can even stop it without it trying to respawnAug 04 11:02
DaemonFChoorayAug 04 11:02
MinceR:/Aug 04 11:02
MinceRat least it's optional for nowAug 04 11:02
DaemonFCsome things break with itAug 04 11:02
DaemonFCsome things break without itAug 04 11:02
DaemonFCbeing able to turn it off is at least, somethingAug 04 11:02
MinceRwell, that's the new GNU/Linux desktop for youAug 04 11:02
MinceRwith GNOME and Canonical fucking it upAug 04 11:02
MinceRand even KDEAug 04 11:03
DaemonFCalarming how much Mono has crept into Debian thoughAug 04 11:03
MinceR(with it's idiotic plasma-only tray icons)Aug 04 11:03
DaemonFClots of CIL packagesAug 04 11:03
cubezzz2ok, I figured you went back to 3.5.10 by nowAug 04 11:03
MinceRthe Debian VM on the laptop i use at work has KDE 3.5.10Aug 04 11:04
schestowitzI would like to try it againAug 04 11:04
MinceRand yes, kde3's tray icons are portableAug 04 11:04
MinceRi've used kxkb across many panels and system trays over the timesAug 04 11:05
MinceRi think i even had it without a system tray, as a free-floating window sometimesAug 04 11:05
cubezzz2I'm getting more used to vector nowAug 04 11:05
Diablo-D3MinceR: godAug 04 11:05
MinceRKDE4's KMix and KBluetooth tray icons won't do thatAug 04 11:06
Diablo-D3I hate ubuntuAug 04 11:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz which is partly correct, but Neary only looks at stuff in GNOME 2.30, so subset only.Aug 04 11:06
Diablo-D3btw, re systray iconsAug 04 11:06
Diablo-D3yeahAug 04 11:06
Diablo-D3a lot of impls just open a tiny little windowAug 04 11:06
Diablo-D3if it cant connect to a systray implAug 04 11:06
MinceRand it's nice, adds flexibilityAug 04 11:06
Diablo-D3its sort of implied that if you're using a desktop environment using app, you have a desktop environmentAug 04 11:07
MinceRbut the point was that some of the KDE4 tray icon applets won't appear at all if your system tray isn't plasmaAug 04 11:07
Diablo-D3MinceR: then they're brokenAug 04 11:07
MinceReven if you're running plasma and gnome-panel, if only gnome-panel has a system tray, those icons won't appearAug 04 11:08
MinceRyes, they're brokenAug 04 11:08
MinceRintentionally soAug 04 11:08
Diablo-D3they need to follow the fd.o specification on thisAug 04 11:08
Diablo-D3kde is dead anyhowAug 04 11:08
Diablo-D3I mean hellAug 04 11:10
MinceRdoesn't seem dead to meAug 04 11:10
Diablo-D3the community is now split between further kde4 development, and forking off from kde3Aug 04 11:10
MinceRi'm afraid there aren't so many developers interested in TDEAug 04 11:10
MinceR(or KDE3)Aug 04 11:10
Diablo-D3well, it seems most development for a desktop environment is being shoveled into stuff like xfceAug 04 11:11
MinceRwell, last time i saw xfce it was gnome light -- but with gnome getting all sorts of stupid, xfce might remain sane and gain an identity of its ownAug 04 11:11
MinceRa good identityAug 04 11:12
cubezzz2lots of other choicesAug 04 11:12
MinceRno mono, no fucking up the panel and window decorationsAug 04 11:12
MinceRespecially no fucking with the system trayAug 04 11:12
Diablo-D3xfce really is gnome lightAug 04 11:12
Diablo-D3actually noAug 04 11:12
Diablo-D3xfce is gnome just lighterAug 04 11:13
Diablo-D3everything you can do in gnomeAug 04 11:13
Diablo-D3I can do with 500 less libraries in xfceAug 04 11:13
Diablo-D3and several thousand lines of code lessAug 04 11:13
MinceRbut is xfce letting mono in? are they planning to replace the system tray with something incompatible and useless?Aug 04 11:13
Diablo-D3infact, the only thing xfce and gnome really share is gtk/glib.Aug 04 11:13
Diablo-D3MinceR: no?Aug 04 11:13
MinceRare they planning to put window decorations in the apps?Aug 04 11:13
MinceRthen it will remain sane while gnome gets fucked upAug 04 11:13
Diablo-D3mono couldnt run on xfce target platformsAug 04 11:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] UCLA lab uses a 5,000+ compute-core #gnu #Linux cluster http://www.nwinnovation.com/story/0030206.html Linux "just for hobbyists", eh?Aug 04 11:14
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Diablo-D3MinceR: what Im saying isAug 04 11:14
Diablo-D3EVERYTHING gnome doesAug 04 11:14
Diablo-D3xfce already does.Aug 04 11:14
Diablo-D3it can display windows, it has a compositor if you choose to use it, it has a gnome-panel like panelAug 04 11:14
Diablo-D3it has a desktop with icons on itAug 04 11:14
cubezzz2does xfce have anything like klipper?Aug 04 11:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux skills more in demand than Unix for the first time http://ur1.ca/0zzcm Get Linux, get jobs (not Jobs)Aug 04 11:15
Diablo-D3cubezzz2: yeah, its called X.Aug 04 11:15
MinceRwhat is xfce's compositor?Aug 04 11:15
Diablo-D3MinceR: xfce itselfAug 04 11:15
Diablo-D3its built into xfwmAug 04 11:15
MinceRicAug 04 11:15
Diablo-D3its incredibly minimalisticAug 04 11:15
MinceRso it's xcompmgr-like?Aug 04 11:15
Diablo-D3yeahAug 04 11:15
MinceRbtw, X is not a klipper substitute, but i remember seeing a GTK+-based klipper-substituteAug 04 11:15
MinceRand of course klipper itself still works without plasma, only kde librariesAug 04 11:15
Diablo-D3isnt klipper the thing kde apps use to have a clipboard?Aug 04 11:15
MinceRnopeAug 04 11:15
MinceRit's a clipboard managerAug 04 11:16
Diablo-D3same thingAug 04 11:16
DaemonFChmmmAug 04 11:16
Diablo-D3X apps in general dont need that to copy and paste thingsAug 04 11:16
Diablo-D3its built into XAug 04 11:16
MinceRit remembers old clipboard entries, pops up an action menu on copy if you wantAug 04 11:16
DaemonFCcuriouser and curiouser Aug 04 11:16
DaemonFC:PAug 04 11:16
cubezzz2yeah that's why I like itAug 04 11:16
MinceRit synchronizes primary and clipboard if you wantAug 04 11:16
Diablo-D3MinceR: thats not only dumb, but its non-standard.Aug 04 11:16
MinceRit's usefulAug 04 11:16
cubezzz2you can have 1,000 entries if you wantAug 04 11:16
Diablo-D3theres no fdo spec for itAug 04 11:16
MinceRwell, then fdo should write a spec for itAug 04 11:16
MinceRuntil then, klipper worksAug 04 11:16
Diablo-D3then kde should propose a spec for it.,Aug 04 11:17
MinceRyou said they were deadAug 04 11:17
cubezzz2well there's xclipboard but it's not as powerfulAug 04 11:17
MinceRhow can a dead project propose a spec? :>Aug 04 11:17
DaemonFChappens all the timeAug 04 11:17
Diablo-D3MinceR: because I assume the developers are still aliveAug 04 11:17
MinceRright, i've heard of xclipboard but haven't tried itAug 04 11:17
MinceRso i don't know what it can doAug 04 11:17
Diablo-D3anyhowAug 04 11:17
DaemonFCindicator crapplet for exampleAug 04 11:17
DaemonFCB-)Aug 04 11:17
Diablo-D3it isnt up to xfce to provide shit like thatAug 04 11:17
Diablo-D3xfce is a desktop environmentAug 04 11:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video of Nokia's and Intel's MeeGo OS Leaks Out http://ur1.ca/0zze9 the mobile #linux platform that's freer than #AndroidAug 04 11:18
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MinceRanyway, i'll have to put my DE together myself anywayAug 04 11:18
Diablo-D3its not a collection of fruity little useless toys to clutter screen real estateAug 04 11:18
MinceRso i'll probably keep klipper around anyway :>Aug 04 11:18
Diablo-D3MinceR: then you'd start with xfce.Aug 04 11:18
MinceRi mightAug 04 11:18
Diablo-D3xfce has no instant messangerAug 04 11:18
Diablo-D3it has no web browserAug 04 11:18
oiaohmFrom memory klipper does not need a standardAug 04 11:18
MinceRit will almost certainly contain bits and pieces from multiple dEs.Aug 04 11:18
oiaohmIt uses standard X11Aug 04 11:18
Diablo-D3it doesnt have an email clientAug 04 11:18
MinceRi'm very unsure about what the WM will be, thoughAug 04 11:18
oiaohmFor the clipboard functions.Aug 04 11:18
Diablo-D3technically the file browser isnt part of xfceAug 04 11:19
cubezzz2right, I use older systems which are similarAug 04 11:19
Diablo-D3you dont need to install it for xfce to properly functionAug 04 11:19
Diablo-D3it doesnt have a media playerAug 04 11:19
MinceRto be fair, klipper is kind of quirky when it comes to non-text clipboard contents or the different clipboard handling in Qt and GTK+Aug 04 11:19
cubezzz2you're saying KDE is bloated I guessAug 04 11:19
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection  Is what klipper is using.Aug 04 11:19
MinceRi don't remember the details, the docs for x2x mention the latter issueAug 04 11:19
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*schestowitz <heart> klipperAug 04 11:20
Diablo-D3it has a wm, a gnome-panel like panel, panel widgets for stuff like systray and shit, the wm understands virtual desktops, and it has a very light compositor if you want itAug 04 11:20
Diablo-D3anything elseAug 04 11:20
Diablo-D3you need to install.Aug 04 11:20
oiaohmX Window selection is not really a clean protocal.Aug 04 11:20
Diablo-D3the good part isAug 04 11:20
Diablo-D3it uses gtk.Aug 04 11:20
Diablo-D3so all your apps are themed like your desktop isAug 04 11:20
cubezzz2I use icewm, it's not badAug 04 11:21
MinceRi don't mind gtk and i don't mind qtAug 04 11:21
MinceRi use QtCurve so they're themed the same way :>Aug 04 11:21
Diablo-D3I cant find a qt theme that looks good Aug 04 11:21
Diablo-D3short of using the qt-gtk themeAug 04 11:21
MinceRDiablo-D3: QtCurve.Aug 04 11:21
MinceR(though it's a matter of taste)Aug 04 11:21
Diablo-D3qtcurve doesnt match my gtk themeAug 04 11:21
MinceR(QtCurve is very configurable anyway)Aug 04 11:21
MinceRbut it's also a gtk themeAug 04 11:21
Diablo-D3yes but its not MY gtk themeAug 04 11:21
MinceRand a qt3 theme, and a qt4 themeAug 04 11:21
MinceRicAug 04 11:22
Diablo-D3I use plain clearlooksAug 04 11:22
oiaohmhttp://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager  The almost dead standard for a clipboard manager.  Aug 04 11:22
MinceRhmAug 04 11:22
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Diablo-D3its kind of hilariousAug 04 11:22
Diablo-D3ubuntu's default theme is the clearlooks engineAug 04 11:22
Diablo-D3but they cunted up their version up so bad its hilariousAug 04 11:23
Diablo-D3with the oranges and the purplesAug 04 11:23
Diablo-D3its lolAug 04 11:23
MinceRiirc QtCurve does come with a ClearLooks-like presetAug 04 11:23
Diablo-D3clearlooks has good looking but minimalistic widgets, and the default theme is light grey with light blue for the wm bar.Aug 04 11:24
Diablo-D3I think plain gnome uses clearlooks by default nowAug 04 11:24
MinceRcolors are whatever is set in KDEAug 04 11:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] What happened to the sane Republicans: a casualty speaks. http://is.gd/e1XXhAug 04 11:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Meego in-vehicle infotainment remix now available for download http://ur1.ca/0zzkf take it for a ride. #linux #meego #nokiaAug 04 11:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @schestowitz I have formally recommended to my work that they trash 9 years of my CV and move from Solaris to Linux. Oracle is *insane*.Aug 04 11:28
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DaemonFCI can already tell it's going to be easier to just install the ATI driver than to ask it to build debs for meAug 04 11:28
DaemonFC*sigh*Aug 04 11:28
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cubezzz2well at least DaemonFC seems to be off dozeAug 04 11:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "According to our poll, one in five readers are considering moving over to Linux." http://ur1.ca/0zzm3 #gnu #linuxAug 04 11:30
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cubezzz2what was the first DE?Aug 04 11:30
cubezzz2twm?Aug 04 11:30
oiaohmThere is older than that cubezzz2Aug 04 11:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @davidgerard whenever I think of Solaris in business, I think of what you've always been telling us. @webmink won't be happyAug 04 11:32
MinceRtwm is not a DEAug 04 11:33
MinceRbut CDE certainly is :>Aug 04 11:33
MinceRbblAug 04 11:33
oiaohmhttp://xwinman.org/others.php xwm is the oldest wm.Aug 04 11:33
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oiaohmThat is known.Aug 04 11:33
oiaohmBut with development at that time we are not sure if it the first.Aug 04 11:34
schestowitzAlan Shimel trolls: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/64541Aug 04 11:36
TechrightsBotTitle: Open Solaris To Oracle: Fork Off | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 70.32 KBAug 04 11:36
schestowitztwm is bloated :-pAug 04 11:36
schestowitzToo much clutter :-)Aug 04 11:36
oiaohmratpoison  schestowitzAug 04 11:37
schestowitzI used it once for a while, after my main DE brokeAug 04 11:37
schestowitzoiaohm: yeahAug 04 11:37
schestowitzIt seems the tiny WMs are dying. No new distros come with them by defaultAug 04 11:37
cubezzz2hmmm, I'm sure there must be oneAug 04 11:38
Diablo-D3theres no point for a standalone wm anymoreAug 04 11:41
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DaemonFCWhy is Debian still on Firefox 3.5.10?Aug 04 11:44
DaemonFCalthough for some reason it's Sunspider scores are better than Ubuntu's Firefox 3.6.8 :)Aug 04 11:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #CloudLinux is just another CentOS but with an arguably better name. http://ur1.ca/0zztv Better to support Scientific, RHEL, or CentOS?Aug 04 11:47
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44687914#notice-45008746 "@schestowitz So they release the in-car stuff before the mobile release? Gimme a break, Nokia...."Aug 04 11:47
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schestowitzDaemonFC: your friend Shimel is triollingAug 04 11:47
cubezzz2there's twm but no tweAug 04 11:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: your friend Shimel is triolling http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/64541Aug 04 11:47
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DaemonFCfriend?Aug 04 11:47
DaemonFCwho?Aug 04 11:47
schestowitzWatch the imageAug 04 11:47
schestowitzYou hit me with <something> of Shimel last monthAug 04 11:48
schestowitzMicrosoft partner he works forAug 04 11:48
cubezzz2I guess no panels with twmAug 04 11:48
cubezzz2wonder when panels made their first appearanceAug 04 11:50
DaemonFCoh, himAug 04 11:50
DaemonFCickthAug 04 11:50
schestowitz"@jwildeboer  Asay needs to learn basic math. So RH existed ~2x as long as a Gnome contributor. Still doesn't explain 16:1 ratio."Aug 04 11:50
schestowitz"@fabsh But you assume a sort of growth where rather than linear Ubuntu just sort of generates at same pace since inception. Won't work."Aug 04 11:50
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44685680#notice-45009998Aug 04 11:51
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cubezzz2I hope Linux just didn't copy win95 Aug 04 11:52
cubezzz2for the panelsAug 04 11:52
cubezzz2trying to remember what the old Amiga hadAug 04 11:54
schestowitz"@fabsh In Ubuntu's defence, they do have a lot of users who needs maintenance patches, so Canonical needs to have developers keep up w/ that"Aug 04 11:54
cubezzz2no panels reallyAug 04 11:55
cubezzz2OS/2 might have been the first to have something like panelsAug 04 11:56
cubezzz2KDE 1.0 wasn't until 1998Aug 04 11:57
cubezzz2the Xerox Star had the first real GUI thoughAug 04 11:59
cubezzz21981Aug 04 11:59
cubezzz2http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/03/operating-system-interface-design-between-1981-2009/Aug 04 12:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Operating System Interface Design Between 1981-2009 | Webdesigner Depot .::. Size~: 739.99 KBAug 04 12:03
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DqBEGDVE3M&feature=digestAug 04 12:04
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schestowitzTJ... :-)Aug 04 12:04
DaemonFCno thanksAug 04 12:05
cubezzz2Xerox Star must have been amazing to work on back in 1981Aug 04 12:08
cubezzz2that display sure looks like 1024x768 or close to itAug 04 12:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 4/8/2010: MeeGo 'Leak', GNU/Linux Skills High in Demand http://techrights.org/2010/08/04/meego-leak/Aug 04 12:12
TechrightsBotTitle: Links 4/8/2010: MeeGo Leak, GNU/Linux Skills High in Demand | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.02 KBAug 04 12:12
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44685680#notice-45011594 "Well, if they shipped stock Gnome they could upstream all of that and would have way more commits, right?"Aug 04 12:14
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schestowitz"@fabsh I guess that's possible but they have a different story to tell"Aug 04 12:15
schestowitzUbuntu still gets bad PRAug 04 12:15
schestowitzNot helpful to anyoneAug 04 12:15
schestowitzMaybe to Red Hat/FedoraAug 04 12:15
DaemonFCschestowitz, Why defend bloatware that's trying to sell proprietary software and hijacking more open source than they contribute?Aug 04 12:24
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 12:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Shutl begins trial with Argos for same-day 90 minute deliveries - http://bit.ly/bAJcbM haven't we been here before during dotcom madness?Aug 04 12:42
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amarsh04/me worked around a bug in libncurses5 on Debian unstable, just rebuild from source with the current gcc in Debian unstable: Aug 04 12:42
amarsh04$ gcc --versionAug 04 12:42
amarsh04gcc (Debian 4.4.4-8) 4.4.5 20100728 (prerelease)Aug 04 12:42
MinceRreAug 04 12:47
MinceR123357 < Diablo-D3> theres no point for a standalone wm anymoreAug 04 12:48
MinceRwrong, but thanks for playingAug 04 12:48
schestowitz"Of course they have. Every company has. Microsoft even says they are embracing open source. ;)"Aug 04 12:50
schestowitz"@fabsh They do. Like a python embraces a gazelle."Aug 04 12:50
amarsh04back in a few, loading a new kernelAug 04 12:50
schestowitzOKAug 04 12:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Brazilian Copyright Bill in English Translation - http://bit.ly/9TFuL9 "address issues like private copying, format shifting, remixing"Aug 04 12:51
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/45015389 "@schestowitz he, funny canonical rumor, I'm afraid oS is a wee bit too crucial for Novell to 'sell' (as far as you can sell a community)"Aug 04 12:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Misleading Stories Based on Misleading Statistics ( #Microsoft and #GNOME ) http://ur1.ca/100dc #ubuntu #vista7Aug 04 12:52
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/45015450 "oh and I laid out an *alternative* for a pure KDE strategy in my blog, I didn't propose one ;-) Otherwise interesting article"Aug 04 12:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody The Brazilian Copyright Bill in English Translation - http://bit.ly/9TFuL9 "address issues like private copying...."Aug 04 12:53
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44685680#notice-45015485 "nah they use RedHat and Novell engineers for that ;-)"Aug 04 12:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK music industry revenues up 4.7% to £3.9bn in 2009 - http://bit.ly/bwP5hH hardly decimated by piracy, no? (via @remixtures) #musicAug 04 12:56
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amarsh04now on kernel 2.6.35-rc6 and grub2 1.98+20100802Aug 04 13:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Now at hyd.Aug 04 13:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Support for Obama's war policies drops from 48% to 36% | NYDailyNews http://bit.ly/bDPksPAug 04 13:14
TechrightsBotTitle: President Obama sinks in polls over Afghanistan war policies .::. Size~: 45.1 KBAug 04 13:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Broadcasting Board decides Voice of America can persue WikiLeaks documents afterall | WaPo http://bit.ly/amWVe8Aug 04 13:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Diria mais chico-espertismo ♺ @JMF1957: rigidez dos contratos s/termo: Portugal terceiro país Eur c/+ contratos a termo http://bit.ly/cA9aubAug 04 13:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft’s Notorious ‘Letters From Dead People’ Lobbyist Makes a Fool Out of Himself on YouTube http://ur1.ca/100ni #act #JonathanZuckAug 04 13:29
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amarsh04my suspected bug in libncurses5 was apparently only a corrupted file - I could have saved a lot of time by simply re-installing libncurses5 rather than building it from source and installing itAug 04 13:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Washington Post Gets Guts, Warns America About Bill Gates' Hijack of Education http://ur1.ca/100ou people finally understandAug 04 13:37
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schestowitzFlorian is doing the Munich FUD now...Aug 04 13:37
schestowitzRe: Munich Linux migrationAug 04 13:37
schestowitz> I posted something about it today and I would appreciate if you couldAug 04 13:37
schestowitz> take that account of the facts (mentioning Jan Wildeboer's involvementAug 04 13:37
schestowitz> as well) into account, and I encourage you to draw conclusions from thatAug 04 13:37
schestowitz> concerning PJ's bias against me and my work. The facts areAug 04 13:37
schestowitz> well-documented and have been so for years (I published my e-book inAug 04 13:37
schestowitz> 2006; I uploaded it to scribd.com to make sure everyone has easy access).Aug 04 13:37
schestowitz> Aug 04 13:37
schestowitz> FlorianAug 04 13:37
oiaohmhttp://code.google.com/apis/webfonts/  InterestingAug 04 13:41
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oiaohmThis feels like a history repeat to me.Aug 04 13:41
oiaohmRemember MS and there webfonts.Aug 04 13:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eye on on Rotten Products: #Apple is Facing Many Lawsuits, E.g. for Antenna Design and hypePods Catching Fire http://ur1.ca/100rkAug 04 13:48
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Greta (the female Bill O'Rielly on Fox News) thinks all black people look alike http://ur1.ca/100xfAug 04 14:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Richard Stallman Explains Why #Microsoft is 'Infiltrating' Free/Open Source Software Events http://ur1.ca/1011s #oscon #access #fossAug 04 14:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 Greta (the female Bill O'Rielly on Fox News) thinks all black people look alike http://ur1.ca/100xfAug 04 14:38
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schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/08/04/rms-on-oscon/#comment-96589Aug 04 14:44
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schestowitzMicrosoft undermines the GPL and doesn't use it unless it's stuck. Florian FUD again...Aug 04 14:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The Open letter to abolish software patents in #Australia http://ur1.ca/0r1sw met its target with 769 signatures so far! #swpatsAug 04 14:49
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schestowitzhttp://www.muktware.com/news/03/2010/267Aug 04 14:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.ellsberg.net/archive/daniel-ellsbergs-wikileaks-wishlistAug 04 14:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Ubuntu To Get Ayatana Sound Indicator http://www.muktware.com/blog/04/2010/269 would be nice for GNOMEAug 04 14:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Daniel Ellsberg’s WikiLeaks Wishlist- Will a Patriotic Truthteller Please Leak These Documents? http://ur1.ca/1017q #wikileaksAug 04 14:57
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic&feature=PlayList&p=CCD873EA1139A728&playnext=1&index=2Aug 04 15:00
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/44704854#notice-45027953 "wait, tim o'reilly? what? (first i've heard of this)"Aug 04 15:01
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schestowitzOSCON was one of the early platforms in which Microsoft was 'blessed' as FOSS participant. The other was OSBC.Aug 04 15:02
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @schestowitz Richard Stallman Explains Why #Microsoft is 'Infiltrating' Free/Open Source Software Events http://ur1.ca/1011s #oscon ...Aug 04 15:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Shouldn't 3D movies shot in 2D be forced to use the label "Remastered 3D" in the title? #movies #3dAug 04 15:12
DaemonFC"Your User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0b2) Gecko/20100723 Iceweasel/4.0b2 (like Firefox/4.0b2)"Aug 04 15:12
DaemonFCheheAug 04 15:12
DaemonFCok, so I'm up to Compiz, Catalyst 10.7 with DKMS, and Iceweasel 4.0b2Aug 04 15:13
DaemonFCnot badAug 04 15:13
schestowitzhttp://www.thejakartaglobe.com/home/shift-to-open-source-could-save-trillions-govt-claims/388327Aug 04 15:14
TechrightsBotTitle: Shift to Open Source Could Save Trillions, Govt Claims - The Jakarta Globe .::. Size~: 42.79 KBAug 04 15:14
DaemonFCoh, and PulseaudioAug 04 15:14
schestowitzOuchAug 04 15:14
schestowitzMy condolences, but which distro?Aug 04 15:14
schestowitz64bitAug 04 15:14
DaemonFCwowAug 04 15:15
schestowitzDebian?Aug 04 15:15
DaemonFCand it's using half the RAM Ubuntu doesAug 04 15:15
schestowitz" Iceweasel/4.0b2 "Aug 04 15:15
DaemonFCyeahAug 04 15:15
schestowitzNiceAug 04 15:15
schestowitzShow us your ti... errr.. screenshotsAug 04 15:15
DaemonFChttp://img690.imageshack.us/img690/3010/screenshotrp.pngAug 04 15:16
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MinceRwhoa, a screenshot from DaemonFC that isn't of vista7Aug 04 15:17
Diablo-D3MinceR: you know what I realized?Aug 04 15:18
MinceR?Aug 04 15:18
Diablo-D3nothing in linux has the vista/7 or osx taskbar stuffAug 04 15:18
MinceRwhat is that?Aug 04 15:18
Diablo-D3well like, in vista/7, icons in the taskbar can changeAug 04 15:18
DaemonFChttp://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3338/screenshotwev.pngAug 04 15:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Core is Dead http://www.adventuresinoss.com/?p=1803 and it's about time too (if only it was true...)Aug 04 15:19
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Diablo-D3like, if theres a progress bar in the app, the icon can become a progress barAug 04 15:19
Diablo-D3or it can change colors Aug 04 15:19
MinceRDiablo-D3: big fucking deal. :>Aug 04 15:19
Diablo-D3well, they basically stole it from osxAug 04 15:19
MinceRKDE supports an "unsaved" icon on the taskbar, i never cared for that eitherAug 04 15:19
Diablo-D3but osx isnt that flexable with itAug 04 15:19
Diablo-D3MinceR: Im just sayingAug 04 15:19
Diablo-D3X DEs dont really have thatAug 04 15:20
MinceRbut if it's so important then Docky and/or AWN will have itAug 04 15:20
Diablo-D3osx and vista/7 can change the context menu tooAug 04 15:20
MinceRstill, as long as your taskbar shows the window title, the old practice of prepending status info to it still worksAug 04 15:20
Diablo-D3so when you right click, you can insert your own custom menu itemsAug 04 15:20
Diablo-D3MinceR: but thats the thingAug 04 15:20
Diablo-D3osx and vista/7 in osx mode no longer has textAug 04 15:21
Diablo-D3they're just iconsAug 04 15:21
MinceRtheir problem, not mineAug 04 15:21
*Diablo-D3 facepalmsAug 04 15:21
MinceRthey also only show one entry per applicationAug 04 15:21
MinceRwhich is stupidAug 04 15:21
Diablo-D3take your meds, MinceR, you're acting like a douche againAug 04 15:21
MinceRnot drooling over osx is "acting like a douche" now?Aug 04 15:21
DaemonFChttp://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3298/screenshotdw.pngAug 04 15:21
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DaemonFCOpenGL 4.0 B-)Aug 04 15:22
MinceRi'll let macos keep their useless application-centric windowing modelAug 04 15:22
Diablo-D3acting hostile over the discussion of features in non-linux environments is acting like a doucheAug 04 15:22
MinceRi'm not acting hostile, i merely noted that i don't care for those featuresAug 04 15:22
Diablo-D3then quit being a douche about itAug 04 15:22
Diablo-D3http://www.eclipse.org/swt/R3_6/new_and_noteworthy.html#m6Aug 04 15:22
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Diablo-D3btw, that illustrates what Im talking aboutAug 04 15:22
MinceRi also noted that if they're important then equivalent panels will have it soon enoughAug 04 15:22
Diablo-D3MinceR: not without a fdo-backed standard they wont.Aug 04 15:23
DaemonFCMinceR, Like I said before, it takes a bit more effort, but it's like Ubuntu minus the crap (that Ubuntu added)Aug 04 15:23
DaemonFCI likeAug 04 15:23
MinceRDiablo-D3: major DEs already do their thing without fdo's blessingAug 04 15:23
MinceRDiablo-D3: we've already discussed such today.Aug 04 15:24
Diablo-D3yes, and that leads to incompatibilityAug 04 15:24
Diablo-D3this is why kde is a failureAug 04 15:24
MinceRand it's not like fdo's backing would be so difficult to obtainAug 04 15:24
MinceRno, that's not why kde is a failureAug 04 15:24
DaemonFCMinceR, Also, Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu Lucid are sharing the same versions of most important packages like GNOME, Linux, and XAug 04 15:24
DaemonFCso they should be fairly compatibleAug 04 15:24
DaemonFC:DAug 04 15:24
MinceRsacrificing reliability and flexibility for bling is.Aug 04 15:24
MinceRbtw, doesn't changing the window icon already sort of do this?Aug 04 15:25
Diablo-D3yes, if you wanna mux your own iconAug 04 15:25
DaemonFCHotmail doesn't like EpiphanyAug 04 15:25
DaemonFCgives the Upgrade Your Browser screen :PAug 04 15:25
MinceRno surprise thereAug 04 15:26
DaemonFCI hate to say it but I kind of agreeAug 04 15:26
MinceRhotmail is m$ crapAug 04 15:26
DaemonFCif you use Epiphany you should upgrade to something elseAug 04 15:26
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 15:26
MinceRepiphany uses up-to-date webkit, does it not?Aug 04 15:26
DaemonFCyeah, it has the same basic rendering abilities as Chrome or SafariAug 04 15:26
DaemonFCso there's no reason to turn it awayAug 04 15:26
DaemonFCthe browser sucks, but oh wellAug 04 15:26
DaemonFCit's not a compatibility issueAug 04 15:27
DaemonFCI used to have to set my user agent to say I was using IE to get into my Hotmail with Mozilla or OperaAug 04 15:27
DaemonFC:PAug 04 15:27
MinceRthe real question is, why are you using hotmail?Aug 04 15:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @osamak #FSF's newsletter is out. Internship opportunity, #lp video recording, #social updates and others. http://ur1.ca/0zz1i SubscribeAug 04 15:28
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DaemonFCMinceR, It reminds me of Futurama when Professor Farnsworth says "And with all this money I've been able to make all those government mandated upgrades you've all been suing me about"Aug 04 15:28
DaemonFC:DAug 04 15:28
MinceRbblAug 04 15:28
DaemonFC"Wow, you taped up the dark matter reactor and you even got a cage for the lion!"Aug 04 15:29
DaemonFC:DAug 04 15:29
DaemonFClots of quotable quotes from FuturamaAug 04 15:30
DaemonFCDo you have a horse Coke?Aug 04 15:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @trombonechamp Wow, he sure insisted that the FSF represents the "Open Source" Movement, despite what you repeatedly explained.Aug 04 15:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Moved all my BOINC clients over to work on the Collatz Conjecture. I can sleep better now. http://bit.ly/ddZHS1Aug 04 15:30
DaemonFCHow about a horse Pepsi?Aug 04 15:30
DaemonFCNay!Aug 04 15:30
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DaemonFCMinceR, Because I love having bank statements sent to the Junk folder while obvious Nigerian scams go to my inboxAug 04 15:30
DaemonFCand the log in screen is telling me to come back in IEAug 04 15:31
DaemonFC:PAug 04 15:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "so it was an original "founder" of open source (o'reilly) that is largely to blame for open source selling out to msft" http://ur1.ca/101g2Aug 04 15:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "funny how esr disses msft but he keeps his mouth shut (i Presume) when o'reilly holds the door for them" http://ur1.ca/101g7Aug 04 15:32
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Diablo-D3MinceR: whos using hotmail?Aug 04 15:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] For context to this whole discussion about #OSCON , see @openuniverse at http://identi.ca/conversation/44707310#notice-45028943Aug 04 15:33
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MinceRreAug 04 15:37
MinceRDiablo-D3: DaemonFC Aug 04 15:37
Diablo-D3why dont you have him on ignore?Aug 04 15:37
MinceRi don't have anyone on ignoreAug 04 15:37
DaemonFCcause MinceR  isn't a total boner biting bastard unlike some Diablo-D3's I could mentionAug 04 15:38
DaemonFCperhapsAug 04 15:38
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 15:38
MinceRi don't like seeing half conversations without any indication of what's happeningAug 04 15:38
Diablo-D3but everyone else has him on ignoreAug 04 15:39
MinceRif i had the time, i'd write a "soft-ignore" script that makes "ignored" messages darker and keeps them from highlighting and reduces their window activity levelAug 04 15:39
MinceRafaict not everyone esle has him on ignore, just youAug 04 15:39
DaemonFCyes, if you start ignoring people, the conversation starts losing coherency and you have to be an asshole who constantly asks others what the hell is going onAug 04 15:39
MinceR(the anti-highlight/activity part would be also useful by itself, for bots for example)Aug 04 15:40
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schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/321000 "as far as i can tell so far, anyway- i've been trying to piece together the real history of f/oss for years, starting with an open source bias and progressing to a free software bias- but i try not to be led astray by either- an ongoing process but it looks that way"Aug 04 15:42
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schestowitzFortunately, Simon Phipps (OSI) is unifying the two, the Free/libre wayAug 04 15:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "Leistungsschutzrecht": 1. Texte gratis ins Web stellen. 2. Beklagen, dass man das tut. 3. Ein Gesetz fordern, das Geld bringt. via @sixtusAug 04 15:43
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Diablo-D3http://identi.ca/markshuttlecockAug 04 15:51
Diablo-D3BEST TROLL EVERAug 04 15:51
TechrightsBotTitle: Mark Shuttlecock (markshuttlecock)  - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 44.48 KBAug 04 15:51
Diablo-D3<3 <3 <3Aug 04 15:51
MinceR:)Aug 04 15:52
MinceRlolAug 04 15:53
DaemonFCBanshee 1.7.3 from the Ubuntu Lucid PPA worksAug 04 15:56
schestowitzhttp://www.technewsworld.com/story/70541.htmlAug 04 16:05
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schestowitzFoot and mouth :-)Aug 04 16:05
DaemonFCNovell must be pouring a bazillion dollars into BansheeAug 04 16:06
DaemonFCmakes senseAug 04 16:06
DaemonFCPR valueAug 04 16:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/07/30/samsung-releases-captivate-source-code/Aug 04 16:06
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schestowitzDaemonFC: they have just about two devsAug 04 16:07
MinceRKupfer > GNOME DoAug 04 16:07
schestowitzAaron and some Gabriel or somethingAug 04 16:07
DaemonFCyeah, but they know if they can get it shoved into GNOME, then Mono is now a must-have for GNOMEAug 04 16:07
DaemonFCso it's worth it to themAug 04 16:07
schestowitzMinceR: some don't like the name thoughAug 04 16:07
schestowitzMein KupferAug 04 16:07
MinceRtheir problemAug 04 16:07
DaemonFCcreate some users demanding itAug 04 16:07
MinceRi do like itAug 04 16:07
MinceRschestowitz: are you saying it should be renamed to Kampf? :>Aug 04 16:08
schestowitzDo GNOME, not kampfAug 04 16:08
MinceRso GNOME is love? :>Aug 04 16:09
DaemonFCsureAug 04 16:09
DaemonFCmeanwhile, back at the Mexican Hall of Justice, Novell de Icaza and Batmanuel were discussing Mono 3.0Aug 04 16:09
DaemonFCright after having the 50 extra keys madeAug 04 16:09
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 16:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I believe if FACT v iiNET was being heard in the UK, AFACT would have a good chance...- not necessarily a good thing. My money is on AFACT.Aug 04 16:10
MinceRlol @ BatmanuelAug 04 16:10
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BatmanuelAug 04 16:12
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DaemonFChttp://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l2hnmnQVR61qadttoo1_500.jpgAug 04 16:13
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schestowitzhttp://www.androidguys.com/2010/07/30/samsung-open-sources-captivate-sghi897-code/Aug 04 16:13
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schestowitzThey simply comply, don't they?Aug 04 16:14
schestowitzAug 04 16:14
schestowitz[16:09] <MinceR> so GNOME is love? :>Aug 04 16:14
schestowitzLove as in, you knowAug 04 16:14
schestowitzReproductionAug 04 16:14
DaemonFCschestowitz, they're using XFS in my blue ray playerAug 04 16:14
schestowitzDangerous stuff with mono !!Aug 04 16:14
DaemonFCeven Eric Sandeen couldn't figure that one outAug 04 16:14
MinceRschestowitz: fucking things up?Aug 04 16:15
schestowitzNoAug 04 16:15
schestowitzVenereal diseaseAug 04 16:15
DaemonFCGTK#Aug 04 16:15
schestowitzSTDAug 04 16:15
DaemonFCgnome-sharp evenAug 04 16:15
schestowitzMono has no SDK, but it has STD :-)Aug 04 16:15
DaemonFCGonoherpesyphilAIDSAug 04 16:16
DaemonFCfrom Africa with loveAug 04 16:16
DaemonFC:PAug 04 16:16
schestowitzAnd it can DevelopMonoAug 04 16:16
Diablo-D3it IS a STD.Aug 04 16:16
schestowitzDiablo-D3: I knowAug 04 16:16
schestowitzIt didn't work in the sentence thoughAug 04 16:16
jstoddardThat's what happens when you make love to the diseased (Microsoft)Aug 04 16:17
schestowitzDeceased toAug 04 16:17
schestowitzDeceased tooAug 04 16:17
schestowitzMicrosoft is deadAug 04 16:17
schestowitzThose who embrace Microsoft software are necrophilesAug 04 16:17
DaemonFCI couldn't find Helix Banshee anywhere for OpenSuseAug 04 16:18
DaemonFCdoes Novell only keep it around for SLE?Aug 04 16:18
DaemonFCHelix has a fairly nice MP3 encoderAug 04 16:19
DaemonFCseveral times faster than LAMEAug 04 16:19
DaemonFCit's mostly x86 assembler I thinkAug 04 16:19
DaemonFCReal open sourced it under the "Real Public Source License"Aug 04 16:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Even SAP Warms to Open Source http://ur1.ca/101s4 ... Like fire warms to wood. #swpats #sap #schizoAug 04 16:22
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DaemonFCbut there's been little interest, especially since it's probably not all that portableAug 04 16:22
Diablo-D3http://open-pc.com/Aug 04 16:22
Diablo-D3huh.Aug 04 16:22
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DaemonFCoh look, something else that you can't buy in the USAug 04 16:23
DaemonFCgee whiz!Aug 04 16:23
DaemonFCneato!Aug 04 16:23
schestowitz"Community" is overrated as a termAug 04 16:23
DaemonFCmade by the community?Aug 04 16:24
DaemonFCwhat community?Aug 04 16:24
schestowitzBut jono made a whole book of itAug 04 16:24
schestowitzIt's like calling families "ciommunities"Aug 04 16:24
DaemonFCthe community otherwise known as a business?Aug 04 16:24
schestowitzOr colleaguesAug 04 16:24
DaemonFCwho will make this stuff called profit from it?Aug 04 16:24
schestowitzCanonical from the UbuntuCommunityAug 04 16:24
DaemonFCschestowitz, the worst Linux exploitation I've seen so far is the ZonbuAug 04 16:25
DaemonFCthe computer you "subscribe" toAug 04 16:25
schestowitzCapitalism worked well for Shuttleworth, now he's building some communism /sarcasmAug 04 16:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: Gentoo basedAug 04 16:25
DaemonFCrightAug 04 16:25
schestowitzBut it's goodAug 04 16:25
schestowitzIt spread the s/wAug 04 16:25
schestowitzIt's not badAug 04 16:25
DaemonFCdoubt itAug 04 16:25
DaemonFCwhoring out fog computingAug 04 16:25
DaemonFConly available for x86 32-bitAug 04 16:26
DaemonFCno way to install software without your subscriptionAug 04 16:26
schestowitzhttp://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/31/motorola-droid-getting-android-2-2-next-week-motorola-droid-getting-latest-version-of-android-2-2-starting-next-week/Aug 04 16:26
DaemonFCsounds like Linspire to meAug 04 16:26
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schestowitzHow much Motorola give to Linux?Aug 04 16:26
schestowitzI know it /uses/ it a lotAug 04 16:26
FurnaceBoycubezzz2: not sure what you mean by 'DE'.. your Xerox cite is a good one, after that there were things like SunViewAug 04 16:26
schestowitzMaking its chips work with it tooAug 04 16:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: Lispire is DEAD, geddit? :-)Aug 04 16:27
schestowitz"She died 10 YEARS ago!!"Aug 04 16:27
DaemonFCbut the spirit of Linspire lives onAug 04 16:27
DaemonFClingers on evenAug 04 16:27
DaemonFClike a stench Aug 04 16:27
schestowitzHeheAug 04 16:27
DaemonFCZonbu doesn't even mention Linux on their siteAug 04 16:27
DaemonFCthey call it a "web OS"Aug 04 16:27
schestowitzDid Carmoney fart in Baklmer soup again?Aug 04 16:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz but SAP still pushes for #swpat everywhere unfortunately ...Aug 04 16:28
schestowitzDaemonFC: webOS is HOP trademarkAug 04 16:28
DaemonFCschestowitz, what I don't get is why Carmony switched Linspire over to Ubuntu for their last releaseAug 04 16:28
DaemonFCjust before the company went underAug 04 16:28
schestowitzUnder WHAT?Aug 04 16:29
schestowitz :-)Aug 04 16:29
DaemonFCXandrosAug 04 16:29
DaemonFCewwAug 04 16:29
schestowitzUnder siege from the big ape?Aug 04 16:29
DaemonFCWho buys Xandros?Aug 04 16:29
schestowitzNobodyAug 04 16:29
DaemonFChow do they stay in business?Aug 04 16:29
schestowitzIt's legacy nowAug 04 16:29
schestowitzLike CorelAug 04 16:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: I wondered the same thingAug 04 16:29
schestowitzFor like a year+ nowAug 04 16:30
DaemonFCXandros still uses Corel File Manager in KDEAug 04 16:30
schestowitzGo to their siteAug 04 16:30
schestowitzSee what they sell and report back :-)Aug 04 16:30
DaemonFCof course they still use KDE 3 because they haven't made a release in yearsAug 04 16:30
schestowitzGo pay them some moneyAug 04 16:30
schestowitzBuy PrestoAug 04 16:30
schestowitzWIndows ONYL!!Aug 04 16:30
DaemonFCshould I buy the Microsoft lawsuit protection for only a mere $50 more?Aug 04 16:30
schestowitzThe Windows-only Linux :-)Aug 04 16:30
DaemonFCB-)Aug 04 16:30
DaemonFCbetter do itAug 04 16:31
DaemonFCthey could sue me and take JabbaAug 04 16:31
DaemonFC$50, I can't afford not to have protectionAug 04 16:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer yeah, that's what I saidAug 04 16:31
DaemonFC:pAug 04 16:31
schestowitzHeheAug 04 16:32
schestowitzYour cat of your Linux!Aug 04 16:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does anybody know how #Xandros stays in business? What does it sell now? Its Windows-only Linux (Presto) was the last thing it mentionedAug 04 16:32
DaemonFCschestowitz, Zonbu sent Chris Pirillo a systemAug 04 16:32
DaemonFCaccording to him it was unsolicitedAug 04 16:32
schestowitzDaemonFC: "No, Ballmer, I'm keeping the pussy, take Xandros instead"Aug 04 16:32
schestowitzDaemonFC: meaning...?Aug 04 16:33
DaemonFCI'd like to get one of those things in the mail with a letter asking me to review itAug 04 16:33
DaemonFCI'd go over how to format itAug 04 16:33
DaemonFCand put Debian on it insteadAug 04 16:33
schestowitzAnd then review itAug 04 16:34
DaemonFCschestowitz, I don't really take any CPU maker seriously that names their processors after characters in the bibleAug 04 16:34
DaemonFC(Via)Aug 04 16:34
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/technology/01ping.html?_r=1Aug 04 16:35
TechrightsBotTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9 KBAug 04 16:35
schestowitzAdd the captionAug 04 16:35
schestowitzMcNealy: "Watch this Zonbu thing.... it says you need to pay for grep"Aug 04 16:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, JWZ was dissing the Mac, before he became a cultistAug 04 16:36
DaemonFCand was making fun of how you had to pay money for an FTP clientAug 04 16:36
DaemonFC(Fetch)Aug 04 16:36
DaemonFC$29 shareware and it can't do SFTP or HTTPAug 04 16:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Apple has silently removed the videos that "proved" that RIM, HTC etc also have reception problems. #1984 #ministryoftruth again?Aug 04 16:37
DaemonFChe went to try to find curl or wget and found that nobody had compiled them for the MacAug 04 16:37
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Microsoft thinks I'm a communist. Last time I noticed, I'm not a spectre, and I'm not haunting anyone http://ur1.ca/or3jAug 04 16:37
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DaemonFCso he went to go find GCC and had to sign up for an Apple account to get itAug 04 16:37
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 16:37
schestowitzhttp://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=1168538Aug 04 16:37
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schestowitz" http://www.livetecs.com/Home/SourceCode.aspx " LOLAug 04 16:37
TechrightsBotTitle: Web based timesheet with asp.net source code - TimeLive .::. Size~: 33.55 KBAug 04 16:37
schestowitzSourceCode.aspx Aug 04 16:37
schestowitzhttp://www.livetecs.com/Home/Pricing.aspxAug 04 16:38
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Microsoft is an open source company, they make some humongous proprietary binary-only, application that costs $500, stick you with a restrictive EULA and "product activation", then invite you to extend it yourself with plugins that add value to their software which you aren't being paid to write, and host them on CodeplexAug 04 16:39
DaemonFCopen source through and throughAug 04 16:39
DaemonFCopen source coming out the wazooAug 04 16:39
DaemonFC:PAug 04 16:39
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: gcc comes with the Mac you buyAug 04 16:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer Apple has silently removed the videos that "proved" that RIM, HTC etc also have reception problems. #stupidscientologyAug 04 16:40
schestowitz"Shut the funk up, I respect free speech"Aug 04 16:40
DaemonFCoh, and you can even license them MS-PL and give Microsfot an unlimited royalty free patent licenseAug 04 16:40
DaemonFCwhy not?Aug 04 16:40
DaemonFCisn't that just super?Aug 04 16:40
FurnaceBoydoes anyone expect anything else/ why are we even still talking about microsoft?Aug 04 16:41
schestowitzThere are enougn buffoons out thereAug 04 16:41
schestowitzSome will believe MicrosoftAug 04 16:41
schestowitzIt's PRAug 04 16:41
DaemonFCis there really an army of people lined up to be unpaid Microsoft employees?Aug 04 16:41
schestowitzThey know they don't deceive usAug 04 16:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i've even met someAug 04 16:41
schestowitzBut it doesn't matter, we're not their target audienceAug 04 16:41
DaemonFCoh waitAug 04 16:41
DaemonFCMVP programAug 04 16:41
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: exactlyAug 04 16:42
schestowitzIt's like dumb-arse people who listen to everything Bush says and think he's sincereAug 04 16:42
DaemonFCwell, that's not entirely accurate I guessAug 04 16:42
schestowitzOr people who call Pravda "news"Aug 04 16:42
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: or, *koff* ObamaAug 04 16:42
schestowitzOr Fox :-)Aug 04 16:42
DaemonFCyou get free licenses to the crap you're supposed to be knowledgeable ofAug 04 16:42
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I wrote ObamaAug 04 16:42
schestowitzThen I changed to BushAug 04 16:42
schestowitzCause it's still not in the public norm to bash ObamaAug 04 16:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: in fact, it's the religious mindset. "I'd like this to be true, so I'll act like I believe it. After a while, I'll have even myself fooled."Aug 04 16:43
DaemonFCschestowitz, They threatened to take my MVP hat away when I wrote a post asking what the hell Internet Explorer was supposed to beAug 04 16:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: wishful thinkingAug 04 16:43
schestowitzHis support in the Afghan 'war' is now down from 40+% to 30+%Aug 04 16:43
DaemonFCand advising Netscape on my personal web siteAug 04 16:43
schestowitzPeace presidentAug 04 16:43
DaemonFCat the timeAug 04 16:43
schestowitzHe has a Nobel prizeAug 04 16:43
schestowitzLike B'liarAug 04 16:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: It may not be the public norm to bash Obama, but so what? He's nothing but Bush IIIAug 04 16:43
schestowitzB'liar didn't make the Nobel thoughAug 04 16:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: maybe next time round.Aug 04 16:43
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it was a pretty nice pair of pointed questions I tweeted recently.Aug 04 16:44
schestowitzOhAug 04 16:44
schestowitzLet me readd youAug 04 16:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: 1) how did Bill C land enough cash to throw down $3m on his daughter's wedding ... and related, how did Blair walk out of office and into a 15 mln/yr gig.Aug 04 16:44
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the answers to these tell us most of what we need to know.Aug 04 16:45
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: strange that nobody ever asks such questionsAug 04 16:45
FurnaceBoythis business model is as old as humanity,....Aug 04 16:45
DaemonFCschestowitz, It gives the students incentive to not wait until the last minute and then cramAug 04 16:46
DaemonFCtheir subscription might time out if they wait too longAug 04 16:46
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 16:46
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: what was the username again?Aug 04 16:46
schestowitzYou advised me to remove after repetitionAug 04 16:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: oh. right, #g20 is over. safe to re-follow. qu1j0t3Aug 04 16:46
schestowitzHeheAug 04 16:47
FurnaceBoyit's over, and everyone's forgotten about the rights violations, etcAug 04 16:47
FurnaceBoyas expectedAug 04 16:47
FurnaceBoynot to mention the waste of $2 blnAug 04 16:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: did you hear about the F35 fighter purchase, for Canada?Aug 04 16:48
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that's about as useful as me buying a push-up braAug 04 16:48
DaemonFCyeah, you mean the ones we downgraded and then sold you?Aug 04 16:48
DaemonFC:DAug 04 16:48
DaemonFCcan't have you guys running off with our state secrets now can we?Aug 04 16:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: well you have our idiot PM doing everything the USA says.Aug 04 16:48
DaemonFCyou just fork over the check now, k? :)Aug 04 16:48
DaemonFCthanks for playingAug 04 16:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: did it occur to you that these planes are as useful to Canada as tits on a bull?Aug 04 16:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] ' Navigating the Cloudy Waters of Cloud Standards ' http://is.gd/e2re0 13, count 'em, 13 organization trying to organize cloud computing.Aug 04 16:49
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, I don't think we ever sell munitions that are as good as what we haveAug 04 16:49
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FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I'm aware of that,but it's not what I'm talking about.Aug 04 16:49
DaemonFCwe sell munitions that are good enough to beat up the neighboring countries of whoever we sell them toAug 04 16:49
DaemonFCthat's about itAug 04 16:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: right, obsess n that point, but it's not really germane.Aug 04 16:49
FurnaceBoyF22 would be way MORE stupid.Aug 04 16:49
FurnaceBoyF35 is stupid enough.Aug 04 16:50
jstoddardHeh, I'm here in Mexico where they also do everything the USA says -- and boy did it turn out good for them /sarcasm.Aug 04 16:50
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: oh, yes.Aug 04 16:50
DaemonFCactually, the F-35 is a worse purchase than the F-22Aug 04 16:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: if you say so. Did you get the part where it's COMPLETELY F****** STUPID?Aug 04 16:50
DaemonFCyeah, my dad worked on the radar system for itAug 04 16:50
DaemonFCRaytheon :DAug 04 16:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: besides, it's our money he's wasting.Aug 04 16:50
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: is that relevant?Aug 04 16:50
jstoddard"Turn your country into a freakin' war zone -- and we may or may not give you some money sometime down the road."Aug 04 16:50
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: the USA is like Microsoft in foreign affairs. Nobody ever came out ahead by sucking the devil's dick.Aug 04 16:51
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, No, it's not your moneyAug 04 16:51
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: Central America, South AMerica, ask them.Aug 04 16:51
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i'm a taxpayer. frack off.Aug 04 16:51
DaemonFCit ceased to be your money at the point where your government took it from youAug 04 16:51
DaemonFCunder duress of going to jailAug 04 16:51
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 16:51
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: do a test tweet for us :-)Aug 04 16:51
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: whatever.Aug 04 16:51
*FurnaceBoy remembers why he never comes hereAug 04 16:51
FurnaceBoythe #rwnj is strong in that oneAug 04 16:52
jstoddard"And, in return for you destroying your security for our sakes, we'll increase immigration restrictions, require travelers to carry passports, and harrass everyone at the border, so that no tourists visit your country anymore."Aug 04 16:52
schestowitz[16:47] <FurnaceBoy> it's over, and everyone's forgotten about the rights violations, etcAug 04 16:52
schestowitzBP is old news nowAug 04 16:52
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: then abuse your citizens Aug 04 16:52
schestowitzFreedomFlotilla tooAug 04 16:52
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: how you feel about sb1070Aug 04 16:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rightAug 04 16:52
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: did you see my article on Harper-Gates?Aug 04 16:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that was another one that got me excited on twitter. :-(Aug 04 16:52
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no?Aug 04 16:52
schestowitzI wrote about Harper yesterday tooAug 04 16:52
DaemonFCno, there's a difference between forgetting what freedom is and not having any ability whatsoever to resist it being stolen from youAug 04 16:53
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: hm, ok. i'll check your feedAug 04 16:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: fuck you and your guns.Aug 04 16:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] OpenSolaris' child, Illumos, goes forward without Oracle http://bit.ly/aGlAOU #OpenSolaris #Oracle #UnixAug 04 16:53
TechrightsBotTitle: OpenSolaris' child, Illumos, goes forward without Oracle - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 62.75 KBAug 04 16:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: save it for your NRA meetingsAug 04 16:53
jstoddardI haven't even gotten to the part about giving a crab about sb1070's effect on immigrants: I'm still incensed over the idea of myself, a U.S. citizen, losing my freedom to walk around without identification.Aug 04 16:53
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: RIGHT!Aug 04 16:53
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: exactlyAug 04 16:53
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: we've seen this movie before.Aug 04 16:53
DaemonFCjstoddard, I'd carry a federal ID on me quite willinglyAug 04 16:54
DaemonFCif they'd deport the people without oneAug 04 16:54
DaemonFClolAug 04 16:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: where I live, this isn't required. Aug 04 16:54
DaemonFClet the Federales sort them outAug 04 16:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] yum install screen is the very first command I use on freshly installed RHEL or Fedora server. GUI clicky guys/gals can safely ignore ;-)Aug 04 16:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: ehhhhhhAug 04 16:54
schestowitzgatesAug 04 16:54
schestowitz: http://techrights.org/2010/06/30/instructions-to-stephen-harper/Aug 04 16:54
TechrightsBotTitle: Bill Gates Successfully Lobbies Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper Ahead of G8 to Make Countries (Taxpayers) Pay for His Initiatives | Techrights .::. Size~: 113.98 KBAug 04 16:54
DaemonFC"But he's from Ontario!"Aug 04 16:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Harper is a sycophantAug 04 16:55
DaemonFC"Uh huh, Sonora it is then, tell it walking!"Aug 04 16:55
DaemonFCB-)Aug 04 16:55
jstoddardDaemonFC: lol -- I wouldn't; as long as I'm not breaking the law, it's none of the government's business who I am.Aug 04 16:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he's psychoticAug 04 16:55
FurnaceBoyjstoddard++Aug 04 16:55
schestowitzHe also had a good time with Bryan AdamsAug 04 16:55
schestowitzMAFIAAismAug 04 16:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I'm tired of himAug 04 16:55
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/07/06/lobbying-agenda-setting-gf/Aug 04 16:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Gates Foundation Still Sponsors Blogs That Praise Its Work, Lobbies Governments, Takes Over School Districts | Techrights .::. Size~: 132.91 KBAug 04 16:56
schestowitz"You could say Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s effort to raise $5 billion for child and maternal health in poor nations wouldn’t have succeeded without the G8 and G20 summits. "Aug 04 16:56
DaemonFCjstoddard, You can refuse to identify yourself, and technically they can't taser you 27 times and beat you with a straight stickAug 04 16:56
schestowitzANd yesterday's http://techrights.org/2010/08/03/self-serving-using-africa/Aug 04 16:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Bill Gates Forced Parenthood of Africa Receives Press Backlash | Techrights .::. Size~: 100.5 KBAug 04 16:56
DaemonFCas long as we're talking theory hereAug 04 16:56
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 16:56
schestowitzHarper in thereAug 04 16:56
jstoddardhahahaAug 04 16:56
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you get off on authoritarian fantasy.Aug 04 16:56
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: which is fine. until the point where yuo can't tell the difference from reality.Aug 04 16:57
DaemonFCthe police here are fascistsAug 04 16:57
jstoddardI had my passport stolen in January, and for a while I became a non-person. The border officers made it clear that they were doing me a favor by even considering allowing me into my own country.Aug 04 16:57
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: either reality caught up to your fantasy, or they're poles apart. neither is healty.Aug 04 16:57
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: ouchAug 04 16:58
jstoddardThat's the price of required identification -- it's way to easy to become a non-person.Aug 04 16:58
DaemonFCI had a plain clothed detective pull me over for sitting in my car, with the engine running, on the side of a streetAug 04 16:58
jstoddard*tooAug 04 16:58
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: it happens every dayAug 04 16:58
DaemonFCnot because I was breaking any actual lawsAug 04 16:58
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: US citizens are being deported dailyAug 04 16:58
DaemonFCbut his wife probably divorced him and took the ice cube trays from the fridgeAug 04 16:58
DaemonFChow the hell do I know why these people are so fucked in the head they actually like that job?Aug 04 16:58
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: they start like you. by OD'ing on CLint Eastwood films.Aug 04 16:59
jstoddardYeah, I lucked out because my skin color indicated that I probably wasn't a Mexican -- despite the fact that Mexicans come in all colors, just like U.S. citizens.Aug 04 16:59
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: right. dumb luck.Aug 04 16:59
FurnaceBoyjstoddard: ask any holocaust survivor... and BAM! Just godwin'd y'allAug 04 16:59
DaemonFCjstoddard, Well, it helps to not wear a poncho and a sombraro and be standing along the sidewalk being picked up as day laborersAug 04 16:59
DaemonFCif you call that profiling, then guilty as charged I guessAug 04 17:00
DaemonFC:PAug 04 17:00
FurnaceBoywow, looks like i'll have to figure out how /ignore works after allAug 04 17:00
DaemonFCyou know that part of Arizona's law did go into effectAug 04 17:00
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: send the 'defmatation -bullies- league' on yaAug 04 17:00
DaemonFCit's illegal to solicit yourself as a day laborerAug 04 17:00
schestowitzLike in prison?Aug 04 17:01
DaemonFCthat should take care of probable cause for 90% of themAug 04 17:01
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you do know that a double standard has always applied hereAug 04 17:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: your prison system is a forced labour campAug 04 17:01
DaemonFCcoolAug 04 17:01
FurnaceBoy...Aug 04 17:01
DaemonFCI'm not in prisonAug 04 17:01
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: go read a bookAug 04 17:01
DaemonFCof course I don't sell crack Aug 04 17:01
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that can changeAug 04 17:01
DaemonFCbut that probably has nothing to do with itAug 04 17:01
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: have you read The Gulag Archipelago yet?Aug 04 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @MitchWagner: 5 reasons why people hate Apple http://ow.ly/2kX9B I'm going to hell for this one. Me: Well, you'll get hell for it anywayAug 04 17:02
TechrightsBotTitle: 5 reasons why people hate Apple - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 65.27 KBAug 04 17:02
DaemonFCDon't sell crackAug 04 17:02
FurnaceBoy...Aug 04 17:02
DaemonFCDon't rob convenience storesAug 04 17:02
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it has nothing to do with what you DO or DON'T DOAug 04 17:02
FurnaceBoythat's the POINT.Aug 04 17:03
FurnaceBoyare yuo so completely stupid?Aug 04 17:03
DaemonFCDon't have illegitimate bastard kidsAug 04 17:03
DaemonFCif you do, pay your damned child supportAug 04 17:03
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 17:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] RT @InklessPW: One of the best current-affairs TV producers in Cdn. RT @aechenberg: Dept of Shameless Self-Promo: http://tinyurl.com/aedemoAug 04 17:03
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Alan Echenberg Demo Reel .::. Size~: 92.17 KBAug 04 17:03
*FurnaceBoy (~FurnaceBo@bas2-toronto10-2925236999.dsl.bell.ca) has left #boycottnovell ("work calls")Aug 04 17:03
DaemonFCpeople figure the world owes them something because they reproducedAug 04 17:04
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/01/dispatch-rwanda-election-peace-takes-priorityAug 04 17:04
TechrightsBotTitle:  Wary Rwandans choose strongman Paul Kagame – and peace – over democracy | World news | The Observer  .::. Size~: 77.2 KBAug 04 17:04
schestowitzYeahAug 04 17:04
DaemonFCI'd tell them to go home and find a jobAug 04 17:04
schestowitzDaemonFC: "God loves children"Aug 04 17:05
DaemonFCand try not to get pregnant along the wayAug 04 17:05
schestowitzDaemonFC: but kids are a full-time job :-)Aug 04 17:05
schestowitz"Get a job"Aug 04 17:05
schestowitz"OK, OK, I'll get knocked up"Aug 04 17:05
DaemonFCno 20 minutes is worth 18 years of thatAug 04 17:05
DaemonFCneverAug 04 17:05
DaemonFCbeat off to porn, get a vasectomy, think of all the child support you aren't payingAug 04 17:06
DaemonFClolAug 04 17:06
DaemonFCyou really have to wonder how the hell people do this to themselvesAug 04 17:07
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/01/climate-change-robin-mckieAug 04 17:07
TechrightsBotTitle:  A dark ideology is driving those who deny climate change  | Robin McKie | Comment is free | The Observer  .::. Size~: 213.32 KBAug 04 17:07
jstoddardschestowitz: It's not slave labor: the prisoners get paid; a whopping 25 cents per hour, too.Aug 04 17:07
schestowitzheat kills USSA and USSR comradesAug 04 17:07
DaemonFCit's the mindset that it's not something wrong with them, it's something wrong with the rest of the worldAug 04 17:07
schestowitzHere in manchester we've had a cold cloudy summer so farAug 04 17:07
DaemonFCof course there's something wrong with them and the rest of the worldAug 04 17:07
DaemonFCbut those criminally mentally ill people never thing of it like thatAug 04 17:08
DaemonFCthere's some blame all around but they have their own share of itAug 04 17:08
schestowitz[17:06] <DaemonFC> beat off to porn, get a vasectomy, think of all the child support you aren't payingAug 04 17:08
schestowitzNot possibleAug 04 17:08
jstoddardAnd if you want those prisoners to work for _you_, you have to pay them that 25 centsAug 04 17:08
schestowitzWho will pay back the debt?Aug 04 17:08
DaemonFCI'd say the blame on society at large is paying to support the kidsAug 04 17:08
schestowitzYou're stuck in a system that assume population growth to pay back debt with labourAug 04 17:09
DaemonFCat least paying the mom who uses the money for drugs and booze while the kids starveAug 04 17:09
schestowitzI had a chat about this over coffee last nightAug 04 17:09
DaemonFCthat's how every welfare mom I've ever seen uses their checksAug 04 17:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: Miguel de Icaza named his large pro-Microsoft project after an infectious disease, and denies it during... http://ff.im/oHg8FAug 04 17:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Fwd: Miguel de Icaza named his large... - Toby Thain - FriendFeed .::. Size~: 6.95 KBAug 04 17:09
schestowitzPeople tend to agree once you explain it to themAug 04 17:09
schestowitzOh, and again I heard the humans-virus analogy, from another 'independent' source. The media catches on hopefully.Aug 04 17:09
schestowitz[17:09] <DaemonFC> at least paying the mom who uses the money for drugs and booze while the kids starveAug 04 17:10
schestowitzGeneralisationAug 04 17:10
DaemonFCschestowitz, Nature doesn't rig people to think of themselves beyond living long enough to reproduceAug 04 17:10
schestowitzYour mom too might be in a harsh situationAug 04 17:10
DaemonFCit's a mental state not unlike other animalsAug 04 17:10
schestowitzYou confuse abusers of the system with those who need itAug 04 17:10
DaemonFCit's 90% abusersAug 04 17:10
DaemonFCand 10% people that need itAug 04 17:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Dear Jeff Zucker, Whether You Like It Or Not, Content Will Stay Free http://dlvr.it/3Ntx1Aug 04 17:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Dear Jeff Zucker, Whether You Like It Or Not, Content Will Stay Free | Techdirt .::. Size~: 20.29 KBAug 04 17:11
DaemonFCthe state ignores the problemAug 04 17:11
DaemonFCyou saw where the California welfare people went out to that 11 year old kids house where his mom and step dad were beating him and putting cigarettes out on himAug 04 17:11
DaemonFCand wrote down that they didn't see a problem thereAug 04 17:11
DaemonFCthen the kid hanged himself by his belt in his bedroom closetAug 04 17:12
DaemonFCright after the social worker left and abandoned himAug 04 17:12
DaemonFCtell me the system worksAug 04 17:12
DaemonFCI call bullshitAug 04 17:12
DaemonFCthose situations are not the exceptionAug 04 17:13
DaemonFCthey are the normAug 04 17:13
schestowitzhttp://www.thewarproject.com/staff-sgt-george-zubaty/Aug 04 17:13
TechrightsBotTitle: The War Project - Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan tell their stories .::. Size~: 41.94 KBAug 04 17:13
DaemonFCthe welfare agencies have this leftist liberal bend to the way they operateAug 04 17:13
DaemonFCwhere they do what's politically correctAug 04 17:13
DaemonFCnot what's in the best interests of the children they are supposed to protectAug 04 17:13
schestowitzRMS: "Sgt. Zubaty's war: driving into Baghdad, the tanks destroyed every vehicle they met, all of them full of civilians. "Aug 04 17:13
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're ravingMAD!Aug 04 17:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US vetrans say Pentagon spin on WikiLeaks aims to cloud real issues | VetransToday http://bit.ly/bovXoGAug 04 17:14
TechrightsBotTitle:   VETS AND MILITARY FAMILIES SAY REACTION TO WIKILEAKS CLOUDS REAL ISSUES : Veterans Today .::. Size~: 74.81 KBAug 04 17:14
DaemonFCmy guess is the kid was probably blackAug 04 17:14
DaemonFCand they didn't want to put him in a white foster homeAug 04 17:14
DaemonFCcause it would look bad in the papersAug 04 17:14
DaemonFCit happensAug 04 17:14
DaemonFCsociety is what's sick and twisted and messed upAug 04 17:15
DaemonFCwe're more worried about what's politically expedient than if another kid dies pointlesslyAug 04 17:16
DaemonFCit reflects badly on us as a societyAug 04 17:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @bob_sutor: computing.co.uk: "Linux skills more in demand than Unix for the first time" http://bit.ly/a8oXb0 #linux #careerAug 04 17:16
schestowitzhttp://www.thenation.com/blog/38016/response-controversial-time-cover-what-also-happens-if-we-leave-afghanistanAug 04 17:17
DaemonFCLinux skills have been more in demand for a whileAug 04 17:17
TechrightsBotTitle: A Response to Controversial 'Time' Cover: What ALSO Happens If We Leave Afghanistan   | The Nation .::. Size~: 58.91 KBAug 04 17:17
DaemonFCwhere the hell have they been?Aug 04 17:17
DaemonFCschestowitz, That's what got my dad on OpenSuse btwAug 04 17:17
DaemonFChe had to take a bunch of Novell classes so he was fairly familiar with SLED/SLESAug 04 17:18
DaemonFCschestowitz, Novell is actually doing quite well around here from what I've seenAug 04 17:18
DaemonFClots of AAA-rated customersAug 04 17:18
DaemonFCI don't know how they can be losing moneyAug 04 17:18
DaemonFCWalmart alone just bought like 100,000 site licenses for SLEAug 04 17:20
DaemonFCthat has to be worth some money, right?Aug 04 17:20
schestowitzCouponsAug 04 17:23
schestowitzTurnerAug 04 17:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Rolling Stone writer denied embed permission | MilitaryTimes http://bit.ly/dxk2a6Aug 04 17:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Memories of #OpenDoc. http://gregmaletic.wordpress.com/2006/11/12/opendoc/ #apple (thanks @nigwil)Aug 04 17:23
schestowitz2007Aug 04 17:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Rolling Stone writer denied embed permission - Military News, News From Iraq & Afghanistan - Military Times .::. Size~: 28.22 KBAug 04 17:23
TechrightsBotTitle: OpenDoc « Greg Maletics Blog .::. Size~: 66.49 KBAug 04 17:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, What's funny is that I have been avoiding biting the bullet and trying Debian againAug 04 17:24
DaemonFCbased on LennyAug 04 17:24
DaemonFCand Squeeze has gotten much betterAug 04 17:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US source protection bill amended to exclude WikiLeaks | Journalism http://bit.ly/dyiEy2Aug 04 17:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] How to get Windows and Linux to cooperate on the network http://is.gd/e2uE4 #Linux #network by @sjvnAug 04 17:24
TechrightsBotTitle: US source protection bill amended to exclude WikiLeaks | Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog .::. Size~: 63.63 KBAug 04 17:24
TechrightsBotTitle: How to get Windows and Linux to cooperate on the network | ITworld .::. Size~: 90.45 KBAug 04 17:24
MinceRwhat's wrong with lenny?Aug 04 17:24
MinceRaside from gnome-do being packaged incorrectlyAug 04 17:25
DaemonFCplentyAug 04 17:25
DaemonFCit's like nothing I tried to set up ended up working quite right for meAug 04 17:25
DaemonFCLenny sucked as a multimedia platform I guessAug 04 17:26
DaemonFCI'm sure it made a very nice headless server for someoneAug 04 17:26
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 17:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] We need to talk to the Taliban | Independent http://bit.ly/aeckLZAug 04 17:27
TechrightsBotTitle: Patrick Cockburn: 'We need to talk to the Taliban' -Asia, World - The Independent .::. Size~: 183.97 KBAug 04 17:27
DaemonFCMinceR, I guess each distribution has a niche it carves out for itselfAug 04 17:30
MinceRdunnoAug 04 17:30
MinceRi used debian on desktopAug 04 17:30
MinceRnow i use debian on a desktop vmAug 04 17:30
MinceRlooking at using it on desktop againAug 04 17:30
DaemonFCUbuntu is gravitating more towards people who don't know any better than to expect a poorly performing system that only half worksAug 04 17:30
DaemonFCand spams them with products to buyAug 04 17:30
MinceR(will have to look through distros on distrowatch first, though -- since apparently they don't always list packages that are available in the repos)Aug 04 17:31
MinceRubuntu is gravitating toward a macos clone that panders to megacorp interestsAug 04 17:31
DaemonFCDebian Squeeze makes me think of Ubuntu Lucid without the bad theme decisions, the crappy indicator applet, the mp3 store, the whorebar that slows down Nautilus and takes gobs of RAM for itself even if you don't use it, and the 101 other awful things that aboundAug 04 17:32
DaemonFCI noticed when I booted into Debian I was wondering how to set it up, not how to tear it apartAug 04 17:32
DaemonFC:PAug 04 17:32
MinceR:>Aug 04 17:32
MinceRunfortunately it still comes with having to install nonfree drivers yourselfAug 04 17:32
DaemonFCmehAug 04 17:33
DaemonFCI enabled Sid repos long enough to snag Catalyst 10.7 and the DKMS packageAug 04 17:33
DaemonFCthen I closed it back upAug 04 17:33
DaemonFC:PAug 04 17:33
MinceRwhat's catalist doing in sid?Aug 04 17:33
MinceRs/lis/lys/Aug 04 17:33
DaemonFCCatalyst is in Lenny and Squeeze tooAug 04 17:33
DaemonFCLenny has like 8.12Aug 04 17:34
MinceRbut not nvidia? weird.Aug 04 17:34
DaemonFCand Squeeze has 10.6Aug 04 17:34
DaemonFCthey have NvidiaAug 04 17:34
MinceRiirc i even had to grab the intel wifi firmware for my thinkpad when i had debian on itAug 04 17:34
DaemonFCnah, Debian has nonfree video driversAug 04 17:34
DaemonFCthey jsut never update themAug 04 17:34
DaemonFCso they become worthless on new hardware fairly quickAug 04 17:34
MinceRicAug 04 17:34
MinceRwell, i guess some apt magic could get it to use those from testing or sidAug 04 17:35
DaemonFCif you stay in Testing I guess that never becomes much of a problemAug 04 17:35
DaemonFCbut if you try to use Stable on a new system, you're on your ownAug 04 17:35
MinceRthough automatically updating to newest in sid might be unsafe :)Aug 04 17:35
MinceRi'll stick to stableAug 04 17:35
MinceRbecause it's, well, stable :>Aug 04 17:35
DaemonFCCatalyst is just now starting to work properlyAug 04 17:36
DaemonFCa little more so each monthAug 04 17:36
DaemonFCso having the latest Catalyst is more important than having the latest NvidiaAug 04 17:36
MinceR:>Aug 04 17:36
DaemonFCATI's new 2d acceleration is on par with where Nvidia's has beenAug 04 17:37
DaemonFCbut you only get it on Catalyst 10.5 or laterAug 04 17:37
DaemonFCand 10.5 and 10.6 had some weird bugs that 10.7 seems to have ironed outAug 04 17:37
DaemonFCthe bugs seem to affect GTK+ applications more than QTAug 04 17:37
DaemonFCand especially if you don't have compositing turned onAug 04 17:38
DaemonFCsections of the window (sometimes the whole thing, sometimes a button or two) turn black until you resize or minimize/restore with Catalyst 10.5/10.6Aug 04 17:38
DaemonFCit was worth tolerating because the drivers before that were even buggier and 10 times slowerAug 04 17:39
DaemonFC:)Aug 04 17:39
DaemonFCI have yet to see this happen on 10.7Aug 04 17:39
DaemonFCMinceR, Debian also recognized my DVI outAug 04 17:39
DaemonFCwhere Ubuntu doesn'tAug 04 17:39
DaemonFCneither does MandrivaAug 04 17:40
DaemonFCI had to plug into VGA until installing Catalyst with themAug 04 17:40
DaemonFCso a lot of the supposedly friendly distros have quality control issues that render them difficult to useAug 04 17:41
DaemonFC:PAug 04 17:41
schestowitzLinspire?Aug 04 17:42
schestowitzDaemonFC: your idol tries to 'pull a Borat' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DqBEGDVE3M&feature=digestAug 04 17:42
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- WOMENS & FISH (Обломки Вкусные свиней) .::. Size~: 112.13 KBAug 04 17:42
DaemonFCI think Debian is actually the oldest surviving distributionAug 04 17:42
DaemonFCisn't it?Aug 04 17:42
schestowitzWhat about Slackware?Aug 04 17:42
schestowitzI think Debian is from 2994Aug 04 17:43
schestowitz*19Aug 04 17:43
DaemonFChmmm, yeah, Slackware was 1991?Aug 04 17:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Google Android Keeps Kissing Away Enterprise Customers http://bit.ly/9bTK3f Me: Some good points that need to be addressed 4 the biz market.Aug 04 17:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Google Android Keeps Kissing Away Enterprise Customers - Mobile and Wireless from eWeek .::. Size~: 107.4 KBAug 04 17:43
DaemonFCa lot of the newer distros are really just offshoots of Red Hat or DebianAug 04 17:43
DaemonFCthey come and they goAug 04 17:43
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] "Jesus is Lord, not Allah", except Allah is the Arabic word for God, and Jesus is the Son of God and the Messiah http://ur1.ca/102dlAug 04 17:47
schestowitzGod has a womb?Aug 04 17:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Example of troll headline from ZDNet: "Open source is increasingly unAmerican" http://ur1.ca/102fnAug 04 17:50
TechrightsBotTitle: Open source is increasingly unAmerican | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 127.08 KBAug 04 17:50
MinceRand except jesus and yhwh are both nonexistent :>Aug 04 17:52
*MinceR is a proud citizen of the Anarchic Separatists of UnamericaAug 04 17:52
MinceRhttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnamericaAug 04 17:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Unamerica - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 42.88 KBAug 04 17:53
schestowitzMinceR: add the caption to picture: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/08/02/businessinsider-android-soars-past-rim-and-apple-in-q2-now-the-uss-top-selling-smartphone-platform-2010-8.DTLAug 04 17:54
TechrightsBotTitle: Android Soars Past RIM And Apple In Q2: Now The U.S.'s Top-Selling Smartphone Platform (GOOG, AAPL, RIMM) .::. Size~: 118.92 KBAug 04 17:54
MinceRwhat caption?Aug 04 17:55
schestowitzMinceR: LOL good pageAug 04 17:55
schestowitzAll invertedAug 04 17:55
schestowitzat beginning of articleAug 04 17:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Negroponte's OLPC Offer Shows Staying Power of Open Projects http://ur1.ca/102i5 IndeedAug 04 17:58
TechrightsBotTitle:  Negroponte's OLPC Offer Shows Staying Power of Open Projects  .::. Size~: 21.77 KBAug 04 17:58
schestowitzI'll start. "Steve, you made it, you're alive... can I have the old one?"Aug 04 17:58
MinceRliver?Aug 04 18:01
MinceR"I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti..."Aug 04 18:01
DaemonFCclick click clickAug 04 18:05
DaemonFC:PAug 04 18:05
DaemonFChttp://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/10/16/frustrated-eeeubuntu-dev-says-ubuntu-sucks/Aug 04 18:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Frustrated EEEUbuntu dev says "Ubuntu sucks." .::. Size~: 87.05 KBAug 04 18:06
schestowitzhttp://www.gadgetell.com/tech/comment/smartphone-market-grows-64-android-886/Aug 04 18:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Smartphone market grows 64%, Android 886% .::. Size~: 43.01 KBAug 04 18:08
schestowitzDaemonFC: nom nom nomAug 04 18:08
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYsi7Ro9ljQAug 04 18:08
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Know Your Meme: Om Nom Nom .::. Size~: 111.67 KBAug 04 18:08
DaemonFC“Instead of moving forward with every release, they have the uncanny ability to take Linux back in time by piling code that doesn’t work on top of more code that doesn’t work until they have turned their OS into a garbage salad.” He said.Aug 04 18:09
DaemonFChttp://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/the-linux-distillery/28574-ubuntu-sucks-says-eeebuntu-developerAug 04 18:09
DaemonFCheheAug 04 18:09
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/02/bryan_cantrill_sun_joyent/Aug 04 18:10
TechrightsBotTitle: DTrace co-creator quits Sun, hits delete on Oracle • The Register .::. Size~: 28.98 KBAug 04 18:10
schestowitzThe Reg attack Oracle a lot these daysAug 04 18:10
schestowitzEsp. one recent articleAug 04 18:10
schestowitzKelly too, a week late :-)_Aug 04 18:10
MinceRoracle is a good target for thatAug 04 18:11
schestowitzeeebuntu-sucks-say-ubuntu-developersAug 04 18:11
schestowitzNo releases in a while..Aug 04 18:11
schestowitzThey renamed tooAug 04 18:11
schestowitzMinceR: Oracle holds valuable projectsAug 04 18:11
schestowitzOOo, Java...Aug 04 18:11
MinceRi knowAug 04 18:11
schestowitzIf they harm Oracle reputation using its FOSS, then it'll call it a dayAug 04 18:12
MinceRbut apparently they've made many mistakes as far as their hardware and SlowLarry's goesAug 04 18:12
schestowitzOracle is all about brandingAug 04 18:12
schestowitzPeople thinking they need to waste $10k per processor so that data will retain integrationAug 04 18:12
MinceRGPL-ed ZFS is still nowhere in sightAug 04 18:12
schestowitzLarry is getting oldAug 04 18:12
schestowitzalmost 65Aug 04 18:12
schestowitzSo don't make fun of him being so slow :-)Aug 04 18:12
schestowitzHe's a turtle in a suitAug 04 18:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] IBM Trying To Patent Cure For Obama's BlackBerry Woes http://dlvr.it/3P065Aug 04 18:14
TechrightsBotTitle: IBM Trying To Patent Cure For Obama's BlackBerry Woes | Techdirt .::. Size~: 24.79 KBAug 04 18:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian 'foss' patents is now trying to paint Groklaw as an IBM drone... using... Dan Lyons! http://ur1.ca/102ohAug 04 18:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] We do not sell e-waste #olpc http://post.ly/qEmrAug 04 18:17
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @Malaprops: Looking for a page turner read Try Lee Child and I mean any of his adventure stories. Emoke Me: Agreed.Aug 04 18:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] In 30mins I am doing my live Ubuntu / Community Q+A vidcast - be there! http://is.gd/dPC5U #ubuntu #communityAug 04 18:36
TechrightsBotTitle: At Home With Jono Bacon on USTREAM: Ramblings on community, Linux and technology from Jono Bacon.. Computers .::. Size~: 89.06 KBAug 04 18:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] In the Senate, where does immigration politics end and racism start? CNN.com Blogs' http://is.gd/e2BxfAug 04 18:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My wife told me she accidentally sat on a bug and killed it - she has a Weapon Of Add Destruction - ba dum tish!Aug 04 18:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Poor Apple can't seem to catch a break http://is.gd/e2BERAug 04 18:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Poor Apple can't seem to catch a break | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 128.48 KBAug 04 18:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Typo!Aug 04 18:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jonobacon have her sit on Bug #1Aug 04 18:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US$1 trillion wasted on wars | Japan Times http://bit.ly/b6dtqxAug 04 18:48
TechrightsBotTitle: $1 trillion wasted on wars | The Japan Times Online .::. Size~: 44.71 KBAug 04 18:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Leaked reports confirm missile launches against ISAF aircraft | Jane's http://bit.ly/ashIabAug 04 18:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @wikileaks US$1 trillion sent from Chinese creditors to the industrial complexAug 04 18:51
TechrightsBotTitle: Leaked reports confirm SAM launches against ISAF aircraft .::. Size~: 14.59 KBAug 04 18:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 4/8/2010: Motorola Open Sources Droid X, Oracle Fixes Eclipse, and “Open Core is Dead” http://ur1.ca/102xo good day todayAug 04 18:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im having a Q&A with a legend for Openbytes! - Ohh the memories... Interview coming soon #Amiga fans standby! www.openbytes.wordpress.comAug 04 18:52
TechrightsBotTitle: Links 4/8/2010: Motorola Open Sources Droid X, Oracle Fixes Eclipse, and “Open Core is Dead” | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.93 KBAug 04 18:52
schestowitzhttp://pollycoke.org/pollycokers/bloggeruser0/socialbox/6553Aug 04 18:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Marco | pollycoke :) .::. Size~: 13.78 KBAug 04 18:53
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[sagarun/@sagarun] Learnt about #emacs 'M-x eshell' today. It is better than 'M-x ansi-term'. #lovingit.Aug 04 18:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Going online now for my live Q+A - join us! http://is.gd/dPC5U #ubuntu #communityAug 04 19:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Takes Down -- But Not Apologises for -- FUD Against #Linux -powered Phones http://ur1.ca/10329 FUD videos quietly vanishAug 04 19:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'First, right wrongs you have created if u want to establish #peace in the world' Rizvi schools #Obama's envoy http://salon.com/a/sHAsfAA==Aug 04 19:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Don't run #zfs without redundancy. You'll only find out what was lost that self-healing might have saved. #solarisAug 04 19:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Why World War I Recordings Won't Enter The Public Domain Until 2049 http://dlvr.it/3P55vAug 04 19:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Why do I see James Bond like evil types aiming for world domination when I look at http://givingpledge.org/ - am I Paranoid?Aug 04 19:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Defense Fund Established for Bradley Manning http://bit.ly/9DyhoRAug 04 19:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Ibrahim: Don't let anyone fool you that the WikiLeaks affair is not important | Huffpost http://huff.to/9uM8YtAug 04 19:36
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Egads! My Droid's been Froyoed! http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/egads-my-droids-been-froyoed/13642Aug 04 19:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft 's Latest Coup in South America http://techrights.org/2010/08/04/colombia-brasil-and-gnu-linux/ #Colombia #Brasil #gnu #linuxAug 04 19:51
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schestowitzThis was brought to my attention by a concerned Colombian. Couldn't find an English article.Aug 04 19:51
ender2070I thought I would return but it was short livedAug 04 19:54
ender2070i wont be able to hang out here if im homelessAug 04 19:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Same things happens in India too #adobe http://techrights.org/2010/08/04/rms-on-oscon/Aug 04 20:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "GNOME is far more valuable to Red Hat than a Red Hat UI could ever be, [...] because it’s a commons." http://is.gd/e2IzJ #nuffsaidAug 04 20:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] This http://is.gd/e2IzJ is spot on. We (Red Hat) care about adding to the commons, Ubuntu/Canonical still believe in Unique Selling Points.Aug 04 20:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @romenesko: Buzz Bissinger makes $13G/year from "Friday Night Lights" TV show. http://journ.us/bvR6Vr Writers, don't quit your day job.Aug 04 20:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im still compiling my latest article on ACS:Law, if anyone else has been contacted by them, please get in touch. http://ur1.ca/103lbAug 04 20:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Oh, and a big thank you to all those who already have. Its been very helpful.Aug 04 20:13
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Incidently, Openbytes last article on speculative invoicing was linked to on Lloydslaw LLB ..... great stuff...Aug 04 20:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Openbytes last article on speculative invoicing was linked to on Lloydlaw LLB... great stuff! So I hope not to disappoint with this one!Aug 04 20:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Me to the wife "We may see the northern lights tonight"....the wife: "which direction do we look?" ---Legitimate comment by my wife.Aug 04 20:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] UK Music Biz Kept Growing Before The Digital Economy Act; So Why Was It Needed? http://dlvr.it/3PB0cAug 04 20:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell 's Promotion of #Mono and Visual Studio Tools Comes Under Scrutiny http://ur1.ca/103p1 #opensuse #suse #gnomedoAug 04 20:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @coolguy4linux How to get Windows and #Linux to cooperate on the network: http://digg.com/d31YqJj?tAug 04 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @ushahidi: A piece on #Uchaguzi in the CS Monitor: http://bit.ly/cU1qHFAug 04 20:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "GNOME is far more valuable to Red Hat than a Red Hat UI could ever be, [...] because it’s a commons." http://is.gd/e2IzJ #nuffsaidAug 04 20:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Nokia: ACTA unnecessarily broad, absence of key countries "practically forced into opposition" (sub req'd) http://bit.ly/a9CbBOAug 04 20:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 'Be Careful' Warning Accompanies Gavin Clarke's Coverage of #GNU #Linux http://techrights.org/2010/08/04/linux-fud-warnings/Aug 04 20:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] New journalistic search interface for Afghan War Diary http://bit.ly/buPyezAug 04 20:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] It is up to YOU. NYT read less than 1% of War Diary. http://bit.ly/cOUM98 post findings to http://bit.ly/aKOQM4Aug 04 21:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #slashdot #grammar #fail, innit? "The user you requested does not exist, no matter how much you wish this might be the case."Aug 04 21:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Afghan kids killed by Canadian military http://bit.ly/bo51HvAug 04 21:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @H_FJ New: FORZA, a sans serif in 12 weights. http://j.mp/aZIH7a // #typography If you loved Eurostile, here's a new geometric ItalianAug 04 21:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] How WikiLeaks is changing the World--but note the photo caption | NYMag http://bit.ly/90vrXDAug 04 21:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Hadopi's Secret Internet Spying Spec Leaked http://dlvr.it/3PGjSAug 04 21:27
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MinceRhow can you tell when he leaves if you're not on the channel?Aug 04 21:30
FurnaceBoyi'll leave a bot!Aug 04 21:31
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MinceRlolAug 04 21:31
MinceRit's kind of superfluous to leave a client always in the channel only to know when to bring another client into the channel :>Aug 04 21:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Example report: US drops 500lb bomb on woman and 7 children. http://bit.ly/9Pct7qAug 04 21:35
FurnaceBotI agreeAug 04 21:35
FurnaceBotit's not really a solution. btw, I don't /ignore anyone either, but it's the only way I could stay here.Aug 04 21:36
FurnaceBotis to use thatAug 04 21:36
MinceR:)Aug 04 21:36
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FurnaceBotTechrightsBot: hey!Aug 04 21:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Firefox To Make History, About To Surpass IE in Europe http://tinyurl.com/2undl4d #microsoft #ie #windows #xp #mvp #mvpbuzz #firefoxAug 04 21:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Software for the exploring the Afghan War Diary : Help build it. Media companies won't. http://bit.ly/d2FmULAug 04 21:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Firefox To Make History, About To Surpass IE in Europe | ConceivablyTech .::. Size~: 45.2 KBAug 04 21:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian Müller Unearths Dan Lyons' Old Junk http://techrights.org/2010/08/04/fud-and-dirt-about-groklaw/Aug 04 21:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @antondnagy Windows Phone 7 Currently Does Not Connect To Hidden WiFi Networks: #MVPbuzz #wp7 #wp7dev http://wp.me/pGlnS-ggAug 04 21:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Windows Phone 7 Currently Does Not Connect To Hidden WiFi Networks « Anton D. Nagy  Blog .::. Size~: 45.02 KBAug 04 21:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MeeGo for IVI 1.0 Screenshots http://easylinuxcds.com/blog/?p=3945 What do you think?Aug 04 21:52
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schestowitzFurnaceBot: +1Aug 04 21:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@consumerist #Wendys Ditches Crappy Bacon,But u Might Pay More http://ow.ly/18qNev //when can we ditch "crappy everything"? #walmart #ikeaAug 04 21:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Wendy's Ditches Crappy Bacon, But You Might Have To Pay More - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 53.93 KBAug 04 21:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Surprise! Feds stored thousands of checkpoint body scan images after all - http://bit.ly/cBsRzA people believed otherwise? #surveillanceAug 04 21:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin KINdows Phone 7 lacks many more featuresAug 04 21:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@duskwynd Why write an original story when you can just rip a classic off? #hollywood #capitalismAug 04 22:00
FurnaceBotjweyrich: boa tarddddeAug 04 22:01
FurnaceBotjweyrich: dang i had something to show u but i forgot what it was:/Aug 04 22:01
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schestowitzjweyrich: what's up?Aug 04 22:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Surprise! Feds stored thousands of checkpoint body scan images after all - http://bit.ly/cBsRzA >maybe to take home #homeworkAug 04 22:02
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schestowitzThe FurnaceDude is backAug 04 22:02
schestowitzFurnace even in August!Aug 04 22:02
jweyrichschestowitz: hi! finishing a VM setup. how're you doing?Aug 04 22:02
jweyrichhaha, yeah.Aug 04 22:02
schestowitzOKAug 04 22:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Is it that @StatusNet is just reinventing #xmpp? How not? #microbloggingAug 04 22:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@eikonos my life doesn't have #guns in it. I don't see why every #film and #tv programme should.Aug 04 22:05
FurnaceBotschestowitz: yeah it's nasty humid summer here this year. last year's was quite pleasantly cool.Aug 04 22:06
schestowitzIt's quote good here. Cloudy enough to be cool.Aug 04 22:06
schestowitzFurnaceBot: open a @StatusNet accountAug 04 22:07
schestowitzlink that to twitterAug 04 22:07
schestowitzTo support software freedomAug 04 22:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@ergeekgoddess Saw an absolutely wonderful Argentinean film this week: El Secreto de Sus Ojos #cinema #argentina cc @chela816Aug 04 22:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Yeah, Ive tweeted them before...Is 140 chars enough to list all of them? I wouldn't think so!Aug 04 22:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE 4.5 RC3 available for Mandriva 2010 Spring !! http://ur1.ca/104jf #Mandriva very much aliveAug 04 22:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Not 403: KDE 4.5 RC3 available for Mandriva 2010 Spring !! .::. Size~: 36.05 KBAug 04 22:10
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] What's wrong with Firefox? http://ur1.ca/104l4 What a sensationalist piece. #Mozilla #Firefox will be fineAug 04 22:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] CIA Software Developer Goes Open Source, Instead - http://bit.ly/dlnEd8 great story about defeating proprietary madness by going openAug 04 22:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sentence Spacing — 1 Space or 2? - http://bit.ly/cLomW3 what a silly, trivial question: all civilised people use 2...Aug 04 22:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] The EU and UK do not allow software patents, but there are loopholes which lawyers know how to exploit http://ur1.ca/0zp0oAug 04 22:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] An Information War Targeting WikiLeaks | Harpers http://bit.ly/c9RhbvAug 04 22:26
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] JoliCloud Finally Launches - http://bit.ly/9U8oKK what, finally finally? at least it's #Linux-basedAug 04 22:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @Bietiekay: RT @TechCrunch: Wave Goodbye To Google Wave - http://tcrn.ch/9IgE6t by @arrington | it gave us #etherpad :-)Aug 04 22:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Ah rain at last! And it smells wonderful! #toronto #yyz #summerAug 04 22:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #LiMo rumoured set for recall to #Linux mothership http://ur1.ca/104oy Hopes go to #MeeGo, which is impressive and quite libreAug 04 22:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Can I call it #failwave? ;-) http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/04/wave-goodbye-to-google-wave/Aug 04 22:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Wave: not waving, but drowning - http://bit.ly/bcUzQS interesting how many of us correctly said this one sat up and barked...Aug 04 22:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Preview of #KDE 4.5 http://maketecheasier.com/kde-4-5-preview/2010/08/04 Looks greatAug 04 22:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Update on Open Source Initiative’s adoption of the Open Knowledge Definition - http://bit.ly/disblj promising developments #osi #okdAug 04 22:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] CIA Software Developer Goes Open Source, Instead http://ur1.ca/104p8 Microsoft used to tell them its "communism"Aug 04 22:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Spamhaus Asks Court To Dump Even The $27,000 Award To Spammer http://dlvr.it/3PNXRAug 04 22:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @teirdes czech republic to force registering of all free and openly licensed works http://piratskenoviny.cz/?c_id=32402 >>what???Aug 04 22:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Wave Goodbye To Google Wave http://ur1.ca/104sk Would you have wanted personal communications too to profile you?Aug 04 22:44
TechrightsBotTitle: Pirátské Noviny - Chci prachy, napíšu zákon. Unikla pracovní verze novely autorského zákona    .::. Size~: 56.44 KBAug 04 22:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer Can I call it #failwave? ;-)Aug 04 22:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Nokia Criticizes ACTA Substance and Process - http://bit.ly/9lWNIM pretty telling if even nokia dislikes it #acta #nokiaAug 04 22:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open source initiative will help the disabled - http://bit.ly/bxnmY8 good, necessary move #opensource #disabledAug 04 22:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] America - land of magic and miracles. Can make 75% of BP spillover disappear! Did they steal it from BP? #paranoia #needsleepAug 04 22:54
TechrightsBotTitle:                     Open source initiative will help the disabled - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 55.38 KBAug 04 22:54
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/ZvDbX.jpgAug 04 22:55
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoYtnoFn09Y&feature=digestAug 04 22:56
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schestowitzCrazy US...Aug 04 22:56
schestowitzCertain states.... the extremist onesAug 04 22:57
FurnaceBot:)Aug 04 23:01
FurnaceBotthey made their bed, let them lie in it :)Aug 04 23:01
FurnaceBotDFC thinks he's preparing for a civil war. LOL!Aug 04 23:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- Of/By/4 - in 18 minutes http://youtu.be/Odbul86485w?aAug 04 23:02
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Of/By/4 - in 18 minutes .::. Size~: 88.34 KBAug 04 23:02
FurnaceBotjust one of the absurd excuses i've heard for personal gun stockpilingAug 04 23:02
MinceRpeople need excuses for that?Aug 04 23:07
cubezzz2what is the excuse?Aug 04 23:08
FurnaceBot"gotta be ready to fight the army"Aug 04 23:08
cubezzz2uhh, okAug 04 23:08
FurnaceBotmakes perfect sense, ehAug 04 23:09
MinceRthe only question is, which armyAug 04 23:09
cubezzz2I assume whoever said that was from Texas?Aug 04 23:09
MinceR"You and what army?"Aug 04 23:10
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: it's one of DFC's reasons for stockpiling guns but you hear it from many NRA typesAug 04 23:10
FurnaceBotMinceR: they mean the US Army. lulzAug 04 23:11
cubezzz2yeah but why?Aug 04 23:11
cubezzz2why would they fight the army?Aug 04 23:11
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: heheAug 04 23:11
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: they're expecting another civil war. Aug 04 23:11
MinceRand who will control that army at that moment?Aug 04 23:11
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: in a nutshell, they think it's 1861Aug 04 23:12
MinceReven though it's 1984Aug 04 23:12
cubezzz2ok, never heard of the DFCAug 04 23:12
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: he comes in hereAug 04 23:12
cubezzz2oh okAug 04 23:12
FurnaceBotcubezzz2: lives in Indiana. a case study in this mentalityAug 04 23:12
cubezzz2DaemonFC?Aug 04 23:13
FurnaceBotyesAug 04 23:13
cubezzz2hahaAug 04 23:13
MinceRFurnaceBot: he doesn't trust his fellow "merkins" -- i'd say it's a reasonable notionAug 04 23:13
FurnaceBotof course, many of them think like him.Aug 04 23:13
MinceR(same applies to humans in general)Aug 04 23:13
FurnaceBotwhy would you feel comfortable surrounded by a million armed idiots?Aug 04 23:13
MinceRi already amAug 04 23:14
MinceRand some of those armed idiots would currently attack me if i'd try to arm myselfAug 04 23:14
MinceR(because it's Teh Law, don't you know)Aug 04 23:14
MinceRand it doesn't make me comfortable at allAug 04 23:14
cubezzz2people go crazy if they aren't workingAug 04 23:19
MinceRyes, while they're childrenAug 04 23:20
MinceRand then they stay that wayAug 04 23:20
schestowitzIn some US states there are gun fight against the policeAug 04 23:25
schestowitz(fightsAug 04 23:25
schestowitzSo people can't leave home safely, more so than before. I saw some footageAug 04 23:25
cubezzz2where in the States?Aug 04 23:26
MinceRin some places there is police brutalityAug 04 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Google Waves Goodbye – Has the tide gone out for Google Wave? http://tinyurl.com/37mgbjs #google #googlewave #twitter #chat #ircAug 04 23:29
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zoobabhiAug 04 23:32
zoobabJonathan Zuck, Microsoft's SMEs pro-software patent lobbyist in Europe, forgot to send a card to his mother for her day: http://ur1.ca/0zximAug 04 23:33
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schestowitz[23:26] <cubezzz2> where in the States?Aug 04 23:36
schestowitzMaybe it was Oklahoma, I can't recall nowAug 04 23:36
schestowitzBasically gun fights in the streets with police running awayAug 04 23:37
schestowitzOut of control more or less, unless they bring the limitaryAug 04 23:37
schestowitzzoobab: I did a post about itAug 04 23:39
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/08/04/jonathan-zuck-poses/Aug 04 23:39
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsofts Notorious Letters From Dead People Lobbyist Makes a Fool Out of Himself on YouTube | Techrights .::. Size~: 83.09 KBAug 04 23:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] ACT promoting software patents in US Congress: http://ur1.ca/1056wAug 04 23:40
TechrightsBotTitle: ACT Member Peter Carnes Storms the House! «  ACTonline .::. Size~: 20.88 KBAug 04 23:40
schestowitzzoobab: spread the ogg of Zuck :-)Aug 04 23:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'Attacking RIM's enterprise beachhead: What iPhone, Android need to achieve victory http://is.gd/e31QpAug 04 23:42
TechrightsBotTitle: Attacking RIM's enterprise beachhead: What iPhone, Android need to achieve victory | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 99.61 KBAug 04 23:42
schestowitzhttp://www.mysmartrend.com/news-briefs/news-watch/red-hat-52-week-high-recently-eclipsed-rht-0Aug 04 23:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Red Hat: 52-Week High Recently Eclipsed (RHT) | Comtex SmarTrend .::. Size~: 21.68 KBAug 04 23:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @ldignan: New post: Google kills Wave http://bit.ly/d5hAtz Me: Bye-bye. Did anyone actually use it?Aug 04 23:44
TechrightsBotTitle: Google kills Wave and chance to reinvent online communications | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 97.57 KBAug 04 23:44
MinceRgnAug 04 23:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Microsoft's not-so-secret plan to cripple Windows by @pgralla XP http://bit.ly/bOolhzAug 04 23:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft's not-so-secret plan to cripple Windows XP - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 57.09 KBAug 04 23:47
MinceRdidn't they execute such a plan and called it "development" already? :>Aug 04 23:47
schestowitzzoobab: http://www.cpaglobal.com/newlegalreview/4617/south_pacific_cousins_part_wayAug 04 23:48
TechrightsBotTitle: South Pacific cousins part ways over patents .::. Size~: 33.46 KBAug 04 23:48
schestowitzMinceR: ewwwwww...... Gralllllllllllla... GooooooooouwllllllllsAug 04 23:49
schestowitzGouldAug 04 23:49
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MinceRGoa'uld?Aug 04 23:49
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Chips_B_MalroyHi all!Aug 04 23:50
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/opinion/02krugman.html?_r=1  "Yes, growth is slowing, and the odds are that unemployment will rise, not fall, in the months ahead. That?s bad. But what?s worse is the growing evidence that our governing elite just doesn?t care ? that a once-unthinkable level of economic distress is in the process of becoming the new normal."Aug 04 23:51
TechrightsBotTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9 KBAug 04 23:51
schestowitzhttp://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100804-715355.htmlAug 04 23:52
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft, Salesforce Settle Patent Lawsuits - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 93.84 KBAug 04 23:52
schestowitzSeems like Microsoft will get slaesforce taxAug 04 23:52
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy:  http://youtu.be/Odbul86485w?aAug 04 23:52
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Of/By/4 - in 18 minutes .::. Size~: 88.75 KBAug 04 23:52
Chips_B_Malroymaybe not, its undisclosured, maybe MS did not want any part of the counter-lawsuitsAug 04 23:52
schestowitzSee what he sausAug 04 23:52
schestowitzGovernment can't tolerate member that is not very pro-Wall StreetAug 04 23:53
Chips_B_Malroy"And I worry that those in power, rather than taking responsibility for job creation, will soon declare that high unemployment is ?structural,? a permanent part of the economic landscape ? and that by condemning large numbers of Americans to long-term joblessness, they?ll turn that excuse into dismal reality."Aug 04 23:53
schestowitzHe or she would be tossedAug 04 23:53
schestowitzMinceR: Goa'uld does ecstasy on the beachAug 04 23:53
Chips_B_Malroyhere is a good article, but its by AP  http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ivtUFIeS5Z21G0oYizttrONmvaUQD9HCRUIO0  Microsoft shares retreat after downgradeAug 04 23:55
TechrightsBotTitle: The Associated Press: Microsoft shares retreat after downgrade .::. Size~: 8.02 KBAug 04 23:55
Chips_B_Malroy"Shares of Microsoft Corp. edged lower Wednesday after Global Equities Research analyst Trip Chowdhry downgraded the software giant in part due to increased competition from Apple's Macs to its Windows operating system."Aug 04 23:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] "Windows XP has more than twice the market share of Windows 7 and Windows Vista combined" http://bit.ly/bglB2RAug 04 23:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft's not-so-secret plan to cripple Windows XP - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 57.1 KBAug 04 23:56
Chips_B_Malroy"Aug 04 23:56
Chips_B_MalroyHe also said attach rates for Office 2010 are declining, especially in the public and education sectors and in call centers, which in all make up about 10 percent of the Office business. Attach rates refer to copies of Office sold per each copy of Windows owned.Aug 04 23:56
Chips_B_MalroyTHE ANALYSIS: "Our research is indicating that Microsoft is unable to connect with the new generation of users," Chowdhry wrote, adding that this could cause problems down the road when these students enter the work force and once again pick Macs over Windows.Aug 04 23:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] NZ minister appears to have attempted to take a midway position that prevents software patents, not on 'embedded' soft http://ur1.ca/105bsAug 04 23:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] CNN: Judge strikes down California's ban on same-sex marriage http://ur1.ca/105by ... Poor Flatfish :-pAug 04 23:57
Chips_B_MalroySorry, forgot the quotetation marks, as that is all from the linkAug 04 23:57
TechrightsBotTitle: South Pacific cousins part ways over patents .::. Size~: 33.46 KBAug 04 23:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Judge strikes down California's ban on same-sex marriage - CNN.com .::. Size~: 40.9 KBAug 04 23:57
FurnaceBotschestowitz: there have been outlaw zones (unpoliced) in the US for years now. I am thinking particularly of Atlanta, GAAug 04 23:57
FurnaceBotschestowitz: the residents sometimes organise vigilantish street patrolsAug 04 23:57
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/359998/the-recovery-disc-rip-offAug 04 23:58
TechrightsBotTitle: The recovery disc rip-off | News | PC Pro .::. Size~: 66.02 KBAug 04 23:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Microsoft shares retreat after downgrade http://tinyurl.com/3a36jv2 #microsoft #mvp #mvpbuzz #windows #xp #wp7 #vistaAug 04 23:58
TechrightsBotTitle: The Associated Press: Microsoft shares retreat after downgrade .::. Size~: 8.02 KBAug 04 23:58
schestowitzSalesforce will do the salesAug 04 23:58
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.cnbc.com/id/38535561/Consumer_Spending_Incomes_Flat_in_June_Saving_UpAug 04 23:58
schestowitzAnd Microsoft will take their moneyAug 04 23:58
TechrightsBotTitle: Consumer Spending, Incomes Flat in June; Saving Up  - CNBC .::. Size~: 113.55 KBAug 04 23:58

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