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| sebsebseb | Read this! :) http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/05/is-ubuntu-becoming-more-of-a-pain-to-set-up-than-windows/ | Aug 07 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is Ubuntu becoming more of a pain to set up than Windows? « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 85.52 KB | Aug 07 00:03 |
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| sebsebseb | oh the guy that gave me the link, said it came from the ublog | Aug 07 00:04 |
| GoblinRFD | So a difficult set up for an alpha version of Ubuntu? | Aug 07 00:08 |
| GoblinRFD | and the surprise for the blogger was? | Aug 07 00:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Sswweeet! RT @zareason: AMD Quad or Hex Core desktop now available with Ubuntu http://bit.ly/9Kb8TX | Aug 07 00:08 | |
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| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: its not | Aug 07 00:08 |
| sebsebseb | I didn't finnish reading that just yet | Aug 07 00:09 |
| sebsebseb | also Ubuntu really is going down hill now, but most users have no idea. | Aug 07 00:09 |
| GoblinRFD | its funny because whilst I havent kept up to date with Ubuntu and its goings on....that blog post (if it refered to the RC) would prove something Ive been saying for a while. | Aug 07 00:09 |
| GoblinRFD | that being, Windows and its failures are largely the responsibility of the end-user...that being Microsoft trying to please everyone by stuffing it full and providing one click fixes for one click fixes. | Aug 07 00:11 |
| GoblinRFD | as well as using it as a platform to sell you more MS gear. | Aug 07 00:12 |
| GoblinRFD | this is why Ive always been of the opinion that mass migration to the Linux platform may be harmful to it. | Aug 07 00:12 |
| GoblinRFD | I don't want someone turning up in the Wolvix forums hounding people as to why they "can't get the spinny cube thing" working like they saw it on Youtube. | Aug 07 00:12 |
| GoblinRFD | and imagine that multiplied hundreds of thousands of times over if there was a mass migration. | Aug 07 00:13 |
| GoblinRFD | incidently....one of the most reliable distro's I used was Ubuntu 8.04LTS | Aug 07 00:14 |
| GoblinRFD | and I still have a deployment of it....I have had 0 issues from it. | Aug 07 00:14 |
| GoblinRFD | * deployment is on a rig that the wife uses. | Aug 07 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: depends on how a distro does it | Aug 07 00:15 |
| GoblinRFD | very true... | Aug 07 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | if it is a good or bad thing for it to have most Desktop Linux users | Aug 07 00:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @fsfe: Software Freedom Day 2010 is just around the corner, 18th Sept.! http://softwarefreedomday.org/ | Aug 07 00:15 | |
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| sebsebseb | before 9.04, and to be fair 9.04 as well, except for one little default change that really got at me | Aug 07 00:15 |
| GoblinRFD | although if you are trying to cater for millions of people, I think thats where the problems start... | Aug 07 00:15 |
| sebsebseb | It was ok for Ubuntu to have most users on the desktop, well I thought so | Aug 07 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | and then uh, things really started going bad with 9.10, and 10.04 is rather horrible indeed, but yeah most users have no idea | Aug 07 00:16 |
| GoblinRFD | I would like to see the FOSS ethos "mainstream" and in the public eye... | Aug 07 00:16 |
| GoblinRFD | but taking Windows market share onto the shoulders of just Linux? not sure.... | Aug 07 00:16 |
| cubezzz | it is, chapters has Linux magazines on display | Aug 07 00:16 |
| cubezzz | staples sells linux routers | Aug 07 00:16 |
| cubezzz | it's out there | Aug 07 00:16 |
| sebsebseb | altough two of the things that really get me about 9.10 and 10.04 are actsaully upstream Gnome's fault, but Ubuntu just makes one of them worse, by not giving it a proper default nice looking background, that is for GDM 2. | Aug 07 00:17 |
| GoblinRFD | I'd like to see an equal balance of all platforms. It makes for better competition. | Aug 07 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah no icons in the syste menu, but easy to put those back :D | Aug 07 00:17 |
| cubezzz | all platforms including what? | Aug 07 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu is a joke | Aug 07 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | the hardware support is horrible | Aug 07 00:17 |
| sebsebseb | hang around in #ubuntu long enough and you'll see | Aug 07 00:17 |
| cubezzz | AROS? Haiku? CP/M? :) | Aug 07 00:17 |
| GoblinRFD | I never had a problem with Ubuntu. | Aug 07 00:17 |
| GoblinRFD | although admittedly Ive not tried the latest versions | Aug 07 00:18 |
| sebsebseb | wireless issues, ATI, and sound, and what not, it seems distros such as PC Linux OS and Mandriva have less issues, when it comes to that kind of thing | Aug 07 00:18 |
| GoblinRFD | hang on...yes I have...I believe peppermint is 10.04....that is very good. | Aug 07 00:18 |
| cubezzz | a lot of people seem to like Mint | Aug 07 00:18 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: yes, but | Aug 07 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | I also read comments on their site, that said that | Aug 07 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | that basically said that the latest version wasn't that good, because of how its based on 10.04, and so the Plymouth issue for example | Aug 07 00:19 |
| sebsebseb | also I was told about three or four weeks ago, that 8.04 wasn't even being offered 10.04 as an upgrade, untill 8.04.1 which is out now I guess | Aug 07 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah as far as I know its out now | Aug 07 00:20 |
| sebsebseb | so I guess that was Canonical saying that 10.04 wasn't really stable enough yet | Aug 07 00:20 |
| GoblinRFD | just a random thought here..... | Aug 07 00:21 |
| GoblinRFD | and shoot me for it..... | Aug 07 00:21 |
| GoblinRFD | but I don't think I will ever get on with KDE.... | Aug 07 00:21 |
| GoblinRFD | I just don't like it. | Aug 07 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | and people think Ubuntu is so user friendly, uh no its not, I mean Mandriva and PC Linux OS have a nice proper graphical control centre for configuring the system. Does Ubuntu? Nah, but theres some sort of 3rd party project, altough last time I read something about that, it seems to just open up programs that are already on the system. | Aug 07 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: No problem buddy :) I am not much of a KDE fan either | Aug 07 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | however I do mix apps | Aug 07 00:22 |
| GoblinRFD | I had a terrible experience with Mandriva..... | Aug 07 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | and sometimes use KDE 4 | Aug 07 00:22 |
| GoblinRFD | and yes I mix apps | Aug 07 00:22 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Gnome or KDE apps, on their own, don't really cut it | Aug 07 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | so using KDE apps sometimes in Gnome :) or Gnome apps in KDE sometimes :) ,but then there are these people who have a right thing with that. | Aug 07 00:23 |
| GoblinRFD | my binary NG software is KDE... | Aug 07 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | and say stuff like, if I install a KDE app in Gnome, I install half of KDE with it. | Aug 07 00:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Want to make Ubuntu better for those with accessibility needs? Be part of the solution: http://is.gd/e6Ejw #ubuntu | Aug 07 00:23 | |
| GoblinRFD | (Klibido) | Aug 07 00:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 6/8/2010: The Linux Desktop More Responsive, Android Succeeds on Smartphones http://ur1.ca/10t7i | Aug 07 00:23 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Making Ubuntu More Accessible | jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 26.11 KB | Aug 07 00:23 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 6/8/2010: The Linux Desktop More Responsive, Android Succeeds on Smartphones | Techrights .::. Size~: 105.4 KB | Aug 07 00:23 |
| sebsebseb | so what, if they don't have a stupidly sized partition, Linux distros aren't WIndows, where things are likely to slow down, with to many apps installed | Aug 07 00:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: well, for a start, linux, os x, windows, opensolaris, *bsd | Aug 07 00:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: then perhaps other things like reactos, etc, shall gain as well... | Aug 07 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: Have you tired Gnome Shell yet? | Aug 07 00:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: Haiku | Aug 07 00:24 |
| GoblinRFD | yep. | Aug 07 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | its quite nice, altough I don't have the latest version, but the version I have isn't really old | Aug 07 00:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: right. | Aug 07 00:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: there's no 'linux rot'. | Aug 07 00:24 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: uhmm not quite sure what your getting at, but for example you woudn't normally need to defrag a Linux file system, altough it is possible | Aug 07 00:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: right | Aug 07 00:25 |
| GoblinRFD | talking of the shell....been tarting up some of my scripts with the cracking dialog command. | Aug 07 00:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: but i am referring to what you said. | Aug 07 00:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: Windows rot. | Aug 07 00:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: reboot every week, reinstall every few months | Aug 07 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | oh your saying that things don't slow down | Aug 07 00:25 |
| sebsebseb | you were agreeing with me? | Aug 07 00:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yes, there's no equivalent to 'windows rot', yes. | Aug 07 00:25 |
| cubezzz | what causes windows rot? | Aug 07 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: I am agreeing | Aug 07 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | ok :) | Aug 07 00:26 |
| GoblinRFD | going online | Aug 07 00:26 |
| cubezzz | just fragmentation? | Aug 07 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: all kinds of things. people don't even expect a windows installation to last a year. | Aug 07 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: I don't even expect to *reboot* every year. | Aug 07 00:26 |
| GoblinRFD | Windows is great if you don't install things, don't tinker with it and don't connect it to the net. | Aug 07 00:26 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I don't understand why alternatives aren't more popular | Aug 07 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: :) | Aug 07 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: well sure | Aug 07 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: and..don't use it much. | Aug 07 00:26 |
| GoblinRFD | yep that aswell! | Aug 07 00:26 |
| cubezzz | and don't click on any icons? :) | Aug 07 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | yeah its a major security risk to have online | Aug 07 00:26 |
| GoblinRFD | you can look at it though... | Aug 07 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but most people don't know that | Aug 07 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: the market is distorted. information is distorted. all deliberately. | Aug 07 00:27 |
| GoblinRFD | just don't touch | Aug 07 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 07 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | and loads that do know its a secuirty risk, either don't reloize the seriousness, or don't really care | Aug 07 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: yes | Aug 07 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | most computer users above | Aug 07 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | most don't even know. it's terribly sad. | Aug 07 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | and people tend to think that their own Windows install is secure enough, I mean computer people | Aug 07 00:27 |
| cubezzz | I just don't like doze | Aug 07 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: who could? | Aug 07 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: there's no point to it. | Aug 07 00:28 |
| cubezzz | Stockholders? :) | Aug 07 00:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it's like liking your jailer's shirt. | Aug 07 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah all those security risk for Windows, but other then that, it can be ok, really | Aug 07 00:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: not too long from now, stockholders are going to hate microsoft a great deal. :D | Aug 07 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: oh? | Aug 07 00:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: and the rot. | Aug 07 00:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that's a bit inconvenient. I'm more of a 'install once' kind of guy. | Aug 07 00:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: and I don't like rebooting either. | Aug 07 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yeah same | Aug 07 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | and same again | Aug 07 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | and well i'll re install if I want to change distro or file system :D | Aug 07 00:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: I don't do that, as a rule. | Aug 07 00:29 |
| sebsebseb | thats the only time I want to be re installnig a Linux distro on a computer really | Aug 07 00:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: I find reinstalls to be dead time. | Aug 07 00:30 |
| cubezzz | or hard drive failure? :) | Aug 07 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | however not so much now, but more so for the older days, something could mess up for example Grub, and if to newbie, yep rei nstall | Aug 07 00:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: backups | Aug 07 00:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah I suppose you could keep going forever if you just replaced parts when needed | Aug 07 00:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: I intend to. | Aug 07 00:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: I just put an SSD in my dual G5 as boot disk for this reason | Aug 07 00:31 |
| sebsebseb | its asahme really that a properly good distro, no longer has most of the users, when it comes to Desktop Linux | Aug 07 00:31 |
| sebsebseb | I mean Ubuntu used to be a properly good distro didn't it? | Aug 07 00:31 |
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| cubezzz | never liked Ubuntu myself | Aug 07 00:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was recommendable. but i don;'t use it so i don't know how bad it's gotten | Aug 07 00:32 |
| cubezzz | AROS is my current project | Aug 07 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: Why not? | Aug 07 00:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Alan also tells me a real block that needs fixing is this segfault bug in Dasher - http://is.gd/e6ETY - any takers? #ubuntu | Aug 07 00:32 | |
| cubezzz | well it didn't seem to have the su command for one thing | Aug 07 00:32 |
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| sebsebseb | cubezzz: well you can do the root account yourself, but doing so is well, The Big No Of Ubuntu! | Aug 07 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: and you could sudo -i | Aug 07 00:33 |
| cubezzz | just didn't seem Unixy enough for me | Aug 07 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | well sure | Aug 07 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu isn't really | Aug 07 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | an alternative to Unix | Aug 07 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | well it is technically, but its not as such, I mean its a distro that wants to be an alternative to Windows and Mac OS X | Aug 07 00:34 |
| cubezzz | I use Fedora and Vector and BL3 | Aug 07 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | they aren't trying to compete against Unix or other distros really | Aug 07 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | they already have most users on the desktop, and now yeah trying to get more WIndows and Mac OS X users | Aug 07 00:35 |
| cubezzz | I'd run Unix System V again if I could find it | Aug 07 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | sadly thing is, a lot of their potential users, will get hardware issues, and most of them will just leave the distro if it doesn't just work | Aug 07 00:35 |
| cubezzz | but there's no FOSS Unix System V.....? | Aug 07 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | I have said it before, but probably more users who have tried Ubuntu, went back to WIndows or Mac OS X, than what stayed as Ubuntu users, or users that went to another distro. | Aug 07 00:36 |
| cubezzz | but in Linux you don't have to worry about drivers not working that used to work | Aug 07 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: uhmm yes and no | Aug 07 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | I mean | Aug 07 00:36 |
| cubezzz | at least, I've never encountered a case like that | Aug 07 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | with Ubuntu | Aug 07 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | what is happening more recently is this: Hardware that used to work fine in a previous version, no longer does in a later version. | Aug 07 00:36 |
| cubezzz | that's not good | Aug 07 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Aug 07 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | hey any Common Lispers here? | Aug 07 00:37 |
| cubezzz | no, APL :) | Aug 07 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | Any what? | Aug 07 00:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @BoingBoing: Massive ice island 4x size of Manhattan separates from Greenland glacier http://bit.ly/9NshLc | Aug 07 00:37 | |
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| cubezzz | so no one steals my code :) | Aug 07 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: Common Lisp. a standard dialect with many implementations. | Aug 07 00:38 |
| cubezzz | no, mainly boring ol' C for me | Aug 07 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I can't exatly promote Ubuntu to anyone anymore, the distro really does suck at the moment, maybe when it does Gnome 3 as the default, I can promote it to peple again and such, but untill then, nah. | Aug 07 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | and its sad, people try Ubuntu, mainly, because of all the hype, and then yeah issues. | Aug 07 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | I even bought an old Ubuntu magazine at the air port the other day, and another Linux magazine also old. Anyway, so this Ubuntu magazine was for 9.10. | Aug 07 00:39 |
| cubezzz | old? that's not old :) | Aug 07 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | and it said how Linux is good and Ubuntu and Ubuntu and blah de blah, but there was also a little section about issues they had when they tried like the alpha of what would be 10.04, or whatever, on some computers. | Aug 07 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: Both magazines were from like March or something, so yeah old. | Aug 07 00:40 |
| cubezzz | anyways, back later | Aug 07 00:40 |
| cubezzz | version me sometime :) | Aug 07 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | March is old? heck I even remember March 2009 | Aug 07 00:40 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: version me? | Aug 07 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: well when we are on about Linux distros, who have a new version in April | Aug 07 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | and magazines that maybe do a new version every month? | Aug 07 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | then sure March is old | Aug 07 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | this is August | Aug 07 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | we are in August | Aug 07 00:41 |
| cubezzz | -cubezzz- VERSION xchat 2.0.7 Linux 2.4.22-1.2199.nptlsmp [i686/551.76MHz/SMP] | Aug 07 00:41 |
| sebsebseb | oh your on noobchat | Aug 07 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: nice! | Aug 07 00:41 |
| GoblinRFD | The only danger I see with Ubuntu is if people think Ubuntu = Linux...theres so much more on offer and its not just Ubuntu which is userfriendly. | Aug 07 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | thats what I call it as a joke | Aug 07 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | since most of the Ubuntu newbies and such use Noobchat | Aug 07 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | that use IRC | Aug 07 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it would be worth running my friend's SE/030 (3 bogomips) just so ppl could get that | Aug 07 00:42 |
| cubezzz | I also use naim, does that make me less a noob? :) | Aug 07 00:42 |
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| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: bingo exactly, indeed | Aug 07 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: well said | Aug 07 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | hit the nail on the head, as I belive the saying goes | Aug 07 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | we need a credible, slick entry distro. | Aug 07 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ubuntu was that. | Aug 07 00:42 |
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| FurnaceBoy | maybe that's changed | Aug 07 00:42 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yes the key word here "was" | Aug 07 00:42 |
| GoblinRFD | I personally think Wolvix is user friendly...I don't think Ive done anything with it that would be complicated for a new user...... | Aug 07 00:43 |
| cubezzz | what's wrong with xchat? | Aug 07 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: weechat ftw!!! | Aug 07 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu was pretty great really, I could recommend it to loads and loads of people, sadly not anymore! | Aug 07 00:43 |
| GoblinRFD | cubezzz: You do know what you can't be "l33t" unless you use IRSSI? | Aug 07 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: Konversation :) and what not, and yeah IRSSI and Weechat for those that want to do the terminal | Aug 07 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: have you written up your objections somewhere? | Aug 07 00:43 |
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| GoblinRFD | cubezzz: (which I am of course) | Aug 07 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | cubezzz: I just don't like Xchat much, and know most of the Ubuntu newbies use it , that use IRC, so yeah I joke about it a bit :D | Aug 07 00:43 |
| *FurnaceBoy wants to do the terminal. i'm over xchat. | Aug 07 00:43 | |
| cubezzz | sheesh, I compile my own ncurses proggies :) | Aug 07 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: so try weechat | Aug 07 00:43 |
| cubezzz | and X proggies | Aug 07 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: I have told people on IRC quite a few times, about what I didn't like about Ubuntu since 8.04 | Aug 07 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: i don't think you'll look back. | Aug 07 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: right, but... | Aug 07 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: that doesn't help me see a summary :) | Aug 07 00:44 |
| GoblinRFD | cubezzz: yep thats l337 ;) | Aug 07 00:44 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, on the 486 I use naim | Aug 07 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: and no I don't have a blog | Aug 07 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: i dunno how i can get an overview of your gripes then. | Aug 07 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: of course i don't expect you to type in 300 words right now... | Aug 07 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | anyway uhmm at the moment its a bit pointless for loads of new users to be going to any distro | Aug 07 00:44 |
| sebsebseb | well if going to be using Gnome | Aug 07 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | since yeah Gnome 3 is around the corner, delayed untill March next year now though, it was going to be out this September, delayed from April | Aug 07 00:45 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah Gnome 3 will change things a lot, and people start getting used to something, and not all of them, will just want to change to something else | Aug 07 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | however yeah since how things are, not really that many people will be going to distros at the moment, oh sure maybe like two million or so before Gnome 3, but thats nothing when we talk about Desktop Operating System market share as a whole | Aug 07 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | and also loads of those will go to Ubuntu, and then back to Windows or Mac OS X, since their hardware didn't just work, I mean wireless for example, or ATI graphics card, or sound issue. Yep what I was on about earlier. | Aug 07 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | and thats how it is! | Aug 07 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | Like it or not. | Aug 07 00:47 |
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| FurnaceBoy | yes, it has to 'just work',. | Aug 07 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: exactly, and a lot of the time, Ubuntu really doesn't | Aug 07 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | and configuring hardware in Ubuntu to get it working, isn't exactly easy | Aug 07 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | useually | Aug 07 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | it has to work as well as windows in this area. | Aug 07 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Aug 07 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | os x they can never match, because that is fully integrated. | Aug 07 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | but windows, they can match. | Aug 07 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | well yes and no | Aug 07 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | since hardware manufactures don't just provide drivers for Linux | Aug 07 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. | Aug 07 00:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's a problem,it's part of the microsoft tax. | Aug 07 00:48 |
| GoblinRFD | I think its horses for courses....I had more trouble with Mandriva than with Gentoo....just luck of the draw as with any software written for hardware it has no control over. | Aug 07 00:48 |
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| FurnaceBoy | gentoo has been pretty ok for me, but it requires technical ability. | Aug 07 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: also yeah certain distros, are better than others, with certain hardware, and for a partiuclar user | Aug 07 00:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] The History Of Haystack... And Why Online Censorship Will Remain Difficult http://dlvr.it/3Tm74 | Aug 07 00:49 | |
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| GoblinRFD | and I think the wealth of distro's is the bonus...afterall if you want Windows and can't install it, what options do you have? At least with Linux if one gives problems you can bet there are hundreds that wont. | Aug 07 00:50 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: yes, but, what you mentioned earlier | Aug 07 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu = Linux | Aug 07 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | thing | Aug 07 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: plus their is a lot of ignorance about distros | Aug 07 00:51 |
| GoblinRFD | true.... | Aug 07 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | people don't want to just try another, because they think loads of the apps that worked in Ubuntu, won't in another, and what not | Aug 07 00:51 |
| GoblinRFD | but then there is alot of ignorance in the computing world in general... | Aug 07 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | or they think they are basically changing to a completly differnet OS | Aug 07 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | when really another distro such as Mandriva or PC Linux OS or OpenSuse even, or Fedora, and what not, are all quite similar to Ubuntu, under the hood and what not | Aug 07 00:52 |
| GoblinRFD | many users simply use thier PC as a tool and have no interest in what they are running, who makes it, if its FOSS or not...they just want to do their tasks....if they have problems they tend to work around them since they use their PC like a toaster... | Aug 07 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | and yes exactly a lot of ignorance in the computing world in general, which is also one of the reasons as to why Ubuntu has most Desktop Linux users at the moment. | Aug 07 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | since they read the hype and yeah | Aug 07 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | or was told to use it by someone | Aug 07 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | they didn't really pick a distro properly, like what I had to do in 2004 | Aug 07 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: right, toaster. | Aug 07 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: which is where Apple succeeds | Aug 07 00:53 |
| GoblinRFD | I think though Ubuntu gained it popularity off the back of honest held belief and a fantastic LTS in 8.04 | Aug 07 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: no it was already rather popular when 8.04 came out | Aug 07 00:54 |
| GoblinRFD | yep but I mean the reputation for the new users now to choose linux and 10.04 | Aug 07 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | in fact it was pretty popular in 2005 as well | Aug 07 00:54 |
| GoblinRFD | 9.04 was not particularly well recieved | Aug 07 00:54 |
| GoblinRFD | and neither (if memory serves) was 9.10 | Aug 07 00:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: "many users simply use thier PC as a tool and have no interest in what they are running" <-- this is ignorance, but not in a pejorative way, it's the kind of 'ignorance' that has to be catered to, accommodated | Aug 07 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | altough I think it was around Ubuntu 6.06 | Aug 07 00:55 |
| sebsebseb | that people started saying it was ready for people that didn't really know computers much | Aug 07 00:55 |
| GoblinRFD | how do you cater for ignorance? you can't force a user to care about what they are running. | Aug 07 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's simply that most ppl aren't interested in the guts of it. it just 'has to work'. geeks should thrill at the challenge of building stuff that 'just works' for other kinds of people. | Aug 07 00:55 |
| sebsebseb | I remember in like 2005, I had this friend who I later fell out with, and I was using Ubuntu, and he wasn't technical | Aug 07 00:55 |
| sebsebseb | his first computer | Aug 07 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: right | Aug 07 00:55 |
| GoblinRFD | I was SUSE prior to 8.04 | Aug 07 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: if f/oss starts demanding that ppl get involved beyond a comfort level, ppl will walk away | Aug 07 00:55 |
| sebsebseb | and he asked me if he could use Ubuntu, and I didn't recommend it, becasue I had read that it wasn't really for not so technical people | Aug 07 00:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | It has to be grandma-compatible. | Aug 07 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | the sad thing is that windows drags people into a world of shit, but initially it doesn't seem so. | Aug 07 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | malware. | Aug 07 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: well you can sometimes, try to force a user to care about what they are using, but it probably won't end well | Aug 07 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | flakiness. | Aug 07 00:56 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: exactly....and I think people don't like being told "you can't use that" | Aug 07 00:56 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: they had enough of that from Microsoft | Aug 07 00:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: yes | Aug 07 00:56 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yeah and people blame the malware on well the malware writters not Microsoft | Aug 07 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: --> this is the kind of challenge that geeks have to get enthused by. not building stuff for other geeks, but building stuff that ORDINARY PEOPLE can use and love. | Aug 07 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: until devs think this way... | Aug 07 00:57 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: altough slightly more technical people, start to blame it on Microsoft :D | Aug 07 00:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: I had hoped that Canonical thought this way. | Aug 07 00:57 |
| sebsebseb | and then there are the people who don't care, that htere computer has malware on it | Aug 07 00:57 |
| sebsebseb | as long as they can still use the computer for what they want to do | Aug 07 00:58 |
| GoblinRFD | I thoroughly support my use of proprietary gfx drivers...I have not seen a compelling argument for me to change and I couldn't hand on heart advocate a new user to avoid them either. | Aug 07 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: online banking. | Aug 07 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it's painful even to have your MSN account stolen (happens all the time to windows users) | Aug 07 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: well loads of people doing that I guess, on computer, that mas malware on it | Aug 07 00:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: I don't see any reason why ppl should have to endure that. | Aug 07 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | people are stupid at computer | Aug 07 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | loads don't care | Aug 07 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | so loads just put up with the problems | Aug 07 00:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, but to say we can't solve this problem is absurd. | Aug 07 00:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's just a question of focus, mission, priorities, attitude. | Aug 07 00:59 |
| sebsebseb | untill things get rather bad, then just get someone to help them with computer, or buy a new one | Aug 07 00:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | I thought Canonical had this nailed. | Aug 07 00:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | I thought they understood what was needed to get there. | Aug 07 00:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: we cannot change 'people'. | Aug 07 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: 9.04 was great | Aug 07 01:00 |
| GoblinRFD | and why should they? Everyone here (I assume) has a genuine interest in computing, but I know for a fact if I wasn't interested I would not be interested in what I was running as long as it reasonably did the job. | Aug 07 01:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: but we have TOTAL control over hte product we ask them to use. | Aug 07 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: for most Ubuntu users at that time | Aug 07 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: 9.10 was like Canonicals Vista :D | Aug 07 01:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: right | Aug 07 01:00 |
| sebsebseb | well not :D as in happy, but asi n grin | Aug 07 01:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: I'm technical but I have a certain 'don't care' factor for some things. | Aug 07 01:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: I don't want to be debugging a web browser. I just want it to work. it's 2010 | Aug 07 01:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | I don't expect to be debugging my C compiler or my video card driver. | Aug 07 01:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | I have sh*t to get done. | Aug 07 01:01 |
| GoblinRFD | funny you should say that....MS decided to leave out cut and paste from Mobile 7 as the platform will be allowed to settle in first. | Aug 07 01:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | lulz | Aug 07 01:01 |
| GoblinRFD | cut and paste must be an advanced feature. | Aug 07 01:02 |
| GoblinRFD | ;) | Aug 07 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | a day late, a dollar short -- it might as well be their motto. | Aug 07 01:02 |
| GoblinRFD | multitaskings also out....its only 2010 so lets give it time to settle before Microsoft thinks of complex ideas like that. | Aug 07 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL! | Aug 07 01:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | it took them a long time to get 1975-vintage memory protection. | Aug 07 01:02 |
| GoblinRFD | oh and forget about connecting to private wifi too... | Aug 07 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, yeah. iPod did that since 2007 | Aug 07 01:03 |
| GoblinRFD | but hey.....its Windows..... | Aug 07 01:03 |
| *FurnaceBoy 's iPod touch is on a private wifi right now | Aug 07 01:03 | |
| GoblinRFD | "Im a Windows Mobile 7 and it was my idea" | Aug 07 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yeah same here, I just want my computer to be working, with great software, that legally I didn't have to pay for as well :) and that ideally was made by unpaid volunters from all over the world, out of the goodness of their hearts :) and using that kind of software makes me feel better, than if I was using well freeware | Aug 07 01:03 |
| GoblinRFD | it will be a brave person to admit that. | Aug 07 01:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: right. And I'm with RMS here. Free software CAN and HAS changed the world. | Aug 07 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: and oh sure eventaully I may try some more complex distro and not just in a vm, like Arch or Gentoo, but I am happy to have the basic OS stuff already configured for me in a distro. | Aug 07 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: we're only a tiny way done on this journey. | Aug 07 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: indeed it has, but most computer users don't know that | Aug 07 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: right | Aug 07 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | lets take Apache for example | Aug 07 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: well, we have work to do :D | Aug 07 01:04 |
| sebsebseb | most used web server | Aug 07 01:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Aug 07 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | yes that really did change the world | Aug 07 01:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 07 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | oh and yep that tends to run on Linux distros | Aug 07 01:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | mysql | Aug 07 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah another example, and yeah sure MySQL | Aug 07 01:05 |
| GoblinRFD | I think platforms will become less relevant in the future with the increase in cloud apps/data won't make a difference to Linux. It will be the killer for Apple and MS. | Aug 07 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: I think mobile computing will hit off more | Aug 07 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | and then yeah | Aug 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | what OS someone uses won't be as relivent, as it is today, for geeks | Aug 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | only thing with that is well | Aug 07 01:06 |
| GoblinRFD | I mean, with the exception of some games, what can a windows user do that we can't? | Aug 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | they won't just tell you that your running Linux or whatever, on these mobile devices | Aug 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | also even with Android, these mobile devices, are rather popritary really | Aug 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | and I have never used Android by the way | Aug 07 01:06 |
| sebsebseb | apparently the Android browser pretends to be Safari :( | Aug 07 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | or whatever that guy said :( @ that | Aug 07 01:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #inception was brilliant. nuff said. | Aug 07 01:07 | |
| sebsebseb | lets not help with Safari market share :) yes, better than helping with IE market share of course, but I would like user agents for browses to be honest | Aug 07 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah Inception was a great film | Aug 07 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | and Chromeium says its Chrome not Chromeium, I would rather they had a differnet user agent string | Aug 07 01:08 |
| sebsebseb | then Chrome and Chromium market share can be measured | Aug 07 01:08 |
| GoblinRFD | proprietary is not a bad thing...in my line of work we use some rather unique tools...theres no way a foss package on the net would cater for them and sure as hell no employee within my organization that could code one....what do we do? outsource and pay for support and updates...we can't wait around on sourceforge on the off chance someone makes the app we need. There will always be a home for proprietary even if it is only c | Aug 07 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: ideally most software should be opensource/freesoftware and cross platform as in the major three platforms, so yeah, Windows, Mac OS X, and Desktop Linux | Aug 07 01:09 |
| sebsebseb | however | Aug 07 01:09 |
| GoblinRFD | sebsebseb: oh yes...ideally.... | Aug 07 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | I think thats a good thing for Desktop Linux to have quite a few more Linux only apps :) since its the underdog as people say | Aug 07 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | and good Linux distro only apps, can help Linux distros gain more market share against Windows and Mac OS X | Aug 07 01:10 |
| GoblinRFD | sebsebseb: but then say with gaming.....how would you recoup the production costs of say GTA with a FOSS model? | Aug 07 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | and gaming well, if they stpped making for Windows | Aug 07 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | this PC games problem we have, would be solved | Aug 07 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | I mean if they stopped making for Windows, but still for games consoles | Aug 07 01:11 |
| GoblinRFD | but then that would be proprietary would it not? | Aug 07 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | and well people can run more than one OS, thats ok | Aug 07 01:11 |
| sebsebseb | ideally we would want people to be mainly using a Linux distro though, well I would :) | Aug 07 01:11 |
| GoblinRFD | I differ.... | Aug 07 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: and propritary software isn't really a bad thing, it can help win users to Desktop Linux, depending on what was made for it | Aug 07 01:12 |
| GoblinRFD | agreed... | Aug 07 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | also at the very beginning of Linux distros, most apps were commercial, Netscape and what not | Aug 07 01:12 |
| GoblinRFD | I voted photoshop should get a native linux ver | Aug 07 01:12 |
| GoblinRFD | thats about the only package my collegues stay with windows for. | Aug 07 01:12 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah ideally, most apps should be opensource/freesoftware, but will it happen any time soon? Of course not, most of this world is well capitalist with its consumerism, and very much so about money as a result, so yeah, so much for most computer software to be opensource/freesoftware any time soon. | Aug 07 01:13 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: Also what does happen is opensource/freesoftware community gets a gift every now and again, a program that was closed source stop being so, Blender for example. | Aug 07 01:13 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah some great apps will start off as commercial/propritarysoftware and then later become opensource/freesoftware | Aug 07 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | Launchpad isn't exactly a great app I guess, but thats an example also of an app that was closed source, that late became opensource/freesoftware | Aug 07 01:14 |
| GoblinRFD | yep..... | Aug 07 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | as for games well | Aug 07 01:15 |
| GoblinRFD | and thats a good suggestion for copyright laws..... | Aug 07 01:15 |
| cubezzz | we don't even need drivers, just programming documentation | Aug 07 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | games should become opensource/freesoftware when they are no longer sold really I think | Aug 07 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | not just no longer sold, and yeah probably some where on the web for people to download still, but with that not being 100% legal I guess | Aug 07 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | or if not opensource/freesoftware | Aug 07 01:16 |
| GoblinRFD | not strictly on topic but I have another observation..... | Aug 07 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | at least Freeware, thats what I think | Aug 07 01:16 |
| GoblinRFD | open standards and closed file formats.... | Aug 07 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | same thing ideally for any other program, that used to be sold, I guess | Aug 07 01:16 |
| GoblinRFD | is it really an issue to worry about (let me explain) | Aug 07 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | and it should include any version of the program that was sold as well, ideally | Aug 07 01:16 |
| cubezzz | you can get game code in some cases | Aug 07 01:17 |
| cubezzz | but it's not easy | Aug 07 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I mean a bit like copyright | Aug 07 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | 70 years, and it goes public domain | Aug 07 01:17 |
| cubezzz | ummm | Aug 07 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | so in the case of software, stops being sold, and any version is free to download of it legally, as freeware | Aug 07 01:17 |
| cubezzz | too long :) | Aug 07 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | ,but as soon as it stops being sold | Aug 07 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | not 70 years later | Aug 07 01:17 |
| GoblinRFD | 25 years ago I wrote a program on the ZX spectrum and in basic....I saved it to tape. Now by todays tech that would be pretty "closed" and not very open....however someone out there wrote an emulator that lets me load that data (and run it) on my PC...is too much of a big deal made about "data being held to ransom" with "closed" file formats and "standards"? | Aug 07 01:18 |
| cubezzz | well they won't do that | Aug 07 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah | Aug 07 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | they don't care | Aug 07 01:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: I believe Adobe will eventually port Photoshop to Linux. THe fact they haven't, is just myopia and arrogance. | Aug 07 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yeah as some sort of web app | Aug 07 01:18 |
| sebsebseb | in fact I think there might be something now | Aug 07 01:18 |
| cubezzz | GoblinRFD, printouts solve that problem | Aug 07 01:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: it exists. http://photoshop.com | Aug 07 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Photoshop.com .::. Size~: 21.31 KB | Aug 07 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | FurnaceBoy: yeah cut down Photoshop | Aug 07 01:19 |
| cubezzz | I print out all my programs | Aug 07 01:19 |
| GoblinRFD | sorry it was an off topic observation, but I just wanted to see what others thought. | Aug 07 01:19 |
| cubezzz | but tokenized basic is rather closed :) | Aug 07 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: no, data obsolescence is a critical issue. | Aug 07 01:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: Domesday. | Aug 07 01:19 |
| GoblinRFD | if we can have emulators written which will run Arcade PCB's from the 80's, I can't see any difficulty in 5 years time with a program to read an MSoffice doc. | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: is a case study on how it bites in just a few short years. | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: it's much harder than that. | Aug 07 01:20 |
| cubezzz | I have CDRs from 1995 | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: the links can literally be severed | Aug 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: ideally open formats | Aug 07 01:20 |
| cubezzz | still work | Aug 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: so you know for sure | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: LOL! | Aug 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: that in 40 years time | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: 1995 is recent | Aug 07 01:20 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Aug 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: you can probably still open it with something | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: books | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: Trajan's Column | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: pyramids | Aug 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: also emulaters well | Aug 07 01:20 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: the emulaters will stop being made eventualley | Aug 07 01:20 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, I have basic printouts from 1981, is that more impressive? :) | Aug 07 01:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: Cuzco | Aug 07 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: printouts. | Aug 07 01:21 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: I'd agree but the point I was making was my spectrum data was pretty inconcient to say the least, despite that though, its not locked away forever. | Aug 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: however open formats, will live on and on and on and on | Aug 07 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: the point is, we're really bad at this for digital data. | Aug 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | and the more software the support the open format | Aug 07 01:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it takes planning. | Aug 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | well the more software you have as an option to open it with | Aug 07 01:21 |
| *cubezzz breaks out the marble and chisels | Aug 07 01:21 | |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: and the first step is it MUST NOT be proprietary | Aug 07 01:21 |
| GoblinRFD | sebsebseb: and so has my spectrum data... | Aug 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD: open format is about sharing | Aug 07 01:21 |
| GoblinRFD | sebsebseb: I can even run it on a Nintendo DS..... | Aug 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | just like opensource/freesoftware is | Aug 07 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah being able to use stuff easilly without hassle, well thats the general idea | Aug 07 01:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: right, but introduce any proprietary element and BOOM< gone. I hang aruond the retrocomputing community and it's really really hard to keep stuff accessible. | Aug 07 01:22 |
| cubezzz | your spectrum program should be ported to a newer OS | Aug 07 01:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: the operating systems, the programs, are just nowhere to be found. | Aug 07 01:22 |
| GoblinRFD | sebsebseb: oh I agree and Im not disputing open standards is the way forward...what Im saying is that the worry of locked away forever data is grossly overstated. | Aug 07 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | GoblinRFD:ideally most software shoudl be opensource/freesoftware and most file formats, should be in an open format ideally | Aug 07 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah emulaters or virtual machines | Aug 07 01:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: example... Multics. Will never run again. We don't know enough about the hardware platform. | Aug 07 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | for older apps | Aug 07 01:23 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: I can.... code written in Lamos (sic)_for the A500. | Aug 07 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: the hardware doesn't exist any more. | Aug 07 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: that's recent. | Aug 07 01:23 |
| cubezzz | Amiga 500 still exists | Aug 07 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: Domesday was (nearly?) lost , that 's just 25 years. | Aug 07 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Amiga 500 is very recent. | Aug 07 01:23 |
| cubezzz | heck, you could probably get a working PDP-11 if you had enough money | Aug 07 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: I own quite a few | Aug 07 01:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: hang out in #classiccmp | Aug 07 01:24 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: ok....the wordprocessor for the ZXspectrum...I could still access any data via emu... | Aug 07 01:24 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure I'm classic enough :) | Aug 07 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: yes, but ZX SPectrum is quite modern.... | Aug 07 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: and there was no fat Microsoft toad sitting in the picture | Aug 07 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: proprietary is the kryptonite for data retention. | Aug 07 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: it's ahrd enough with 100% open | Aug 07 01:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: I wrote an open source PSD parser. Want to know how good/complete the Adobe public doc for that is? | Aug 07 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: there must be Petabytes of private/commercial data in PSD, held to ransom. | Aug 07 01:25 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: but I think the issue here is "was the platform mainstream"...if it was then theres little worry and I think MSoffice was mainstream enough to mean that in years to come MS docs (regardless of what happens to MS) will still be accessable. | Aug 07 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: "sort of". "with luck". | Aug 07 01:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: A LOT can go wrong. | Aug 07 01:25 |
| GoblinRFD | true, but then if your data is valuable enough, you would be saving in multiple formats anyway. | Aug 07 01:26 |
| GoblinRFD | surely? | Aug 07 01:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: you're familiar with the Domesday project / and the efforts to recover it? | Aug 07 01:26 |
| GoblinRFD | not really no. | Aug 07 01:26 |
| GoblinRFD | sorry. | Aug 07 01:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: well yes, that's my point-- WITH a lot of careful planning, you can navigate this. | Aug 07 01:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: but proprietary is an element you don't want to tangle with, when it comes to data retention. | Aug 07 01:27 |
| GoblinRFD | but then theres a difference between something like the doomday project and say a MSoffice doc...surely? | Aug 07 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: most of the time backwards compatibility just doesn't exist. | Aug 07 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: which means, not only do you have to preserve the APPLICATIONS, | Aug 07 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: you have to preserve the RUNTIMES for them, | Aug 07 01:27 |
| GoblinRFD | of course.... | Aug 07 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: and that often means preserving the HARDWARE. | Aug 07 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | it goes on and on. | Aug 07 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | and preserving the hardware is not easy, let alone the rest of the layers. | Aug 07 01:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a huge effort. | Aug 07 01:28 |
| GoblinRFD | but as I say... MSoffice is a little different to the Doomsday project.... | Aug 07 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, it's not. | Aug 07 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | i explained why above-- | Aug 07 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | 1) backwards compatibility is often absent | Aug 07 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | 2) which leads you into a ramifying tree of requisrements, which rapidly become very hard to meet. | Aug 07 01:28 |
| GoblinRFD | so you are saying a PC of the future would have issue with a file format of the past? | Aug 07 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | more concrete example... 68K mac applications. PowerPC Mac applications. Who even owns this hardware in working form now? Who has the apps? | Aug 07 01:29 |
| GoblinRFD | and the doc format has no relationship to hardware....its a fileformat it can be read. | Aug 07 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | I have a doc in Fullwrite Professional, say. How do i get at it? | Aug 07 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: not. | Aug 07 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: i just explained why that's not the case. | Aug 07 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: it's the dependence all the way down to hardware which makes this so damned expensive and difficult. | Aug 07 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | not only does backwards compat often not exist, emulators often do not exist, and *cannot* be constructed. | Aug 07 01:30 |
| GoblinRFD | and I said backwards comp is irrelevant....we are talking about a file format which a future generation of PC might have difficulty with? a .doc file? | Aug 07 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | one example, Multics. | Aug 07 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | will never run again. | Aug 07 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | the knowledge is gone. | Aug 07 01:30 |
| GoblinRFD | *irellevant in case of .doc | Aug 07 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: DOC? no, these issues affect DOC profoundly. | Aug 07 01:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | very profoundly. it's the poster child for this problem. | Aug 07 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | why? because even microsoft cannot describe the format. see: OOXML. | Aug 07 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | there is not true backwards compat for doc. | Aug 07 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | so already you're in strife. | Aug 07 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | now fast forward 10 years, | Aug 07 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | and you won't have the hardware, the app, or the runtime, to read your DOC. | Aug 07 01:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | unless you;re very lucky, and you don't need much fidelity.. then you might scrape thru. | Aug 07 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | most likely with some open source converter. | Aug 07 01:32 |
| GoblinRFD | yes I understand that...but the point I make is that the data is NOT completely unrecoverable.....and as I said in the early stages of debate, if you do have concerns you can save in a different format...last time I looked MS office allowed quite a few file formats... | Aug 07 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is why i laugh when ppl say open source tools live in the past. that's what can save your life. | Aug 07 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: it gets exponetnially harder over time, that's all. | Aug 07 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | without really really meticulous planning. | Aug 07 01:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | and using open standards is step #1 | Aug 07 01:32 |
| GoblinRFD | well my 25 year spectrum example was not hard at all.....from analog (tape). | Aug 07 01:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can get lucky. but we can find counterexamples. let me get you the domesday link; that is 25 year span | Aug 07 01:33 |
| GoblinRFD | I'd suggest in 20 years if people have fears about the way the winds blowing, they quickly re-save into the format of their choice at the time. | Aug 07 01:33 |
| GoblinRFD | and then worry about another new format in another 20 years. | Aug 07 01:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | there was a happy ending to Domesday, but it looked very grim | Aug 07 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: yes, you're right, that works, migrating up all the time. | Aug 07 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: but again, takes planning and foresight | Aug 07 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | and it costs. | Aug 07 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | imagine the costs of doing that for a government | Aug 07 01:34 |
| GoblinRFD | and to be fair, I can say now, I have no data that would be required in 20 years. | Aug 07 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | public data (!!) | Aug 07 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | imagine keeping something for a statutory 50 years! | Aug 07 01:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | very unusual, in digital realm. | Aug 07 01:34 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: and that could be of benefit to those who don't what long term stored data of civilians. | Aug 07 01:35 |
| GoblinRFD | *want | Aug 07 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: sort of. but those people have a motive and means to keep it retained | Aug 07 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: not, for example, your local council that migh thave a statutory requirement but no means to do it. | Aug 07 01:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | or knowledge | Aug 07 01:35 |
| GoblinRFD | the upgrading data you mentioned earlier...ive seen first hand.... | Aug 07 01:35 |
| GoblinRFD | our microfiche records onto databases | Aug 07 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://science.slashdot.org/articles/02/03/03/1821227.shtml?tid=126 | Aug 07 01:36 |
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| FurnaceBoy | this is a very good writeup: http://people.uleth.ca/~daniel.odonnell/Research/the-doomsday-machine | Aug 07 01:36 |
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| FurnaceBoy | it covers retentuion issues better than i can | Aug 07 01:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Many of the preservation problems facing the Domesday Project stem from its heavy reliance on specific proprietary (and often customized) hardware and software" | Aug 07 01:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Pentagon Takes Head In Sand Approach To Wikileaks: Blocks All Access To Troops... Though Everyone Else Can Get In http://dlvr.it/3TqR4 | Aug 07 01:37 | |
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| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: re: doomsday.... the MSoffice point can run on any PC/Mac and not so "custom" as the doomsday project...interesting article though...never really paid much interest in the doomsday proj....I assume data was held on something similar to laser disk???? I have a player!...got quite a few movies for it too...I think its in the loft! | Aug 07 01:40 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: don't think my laser disk player is compat with the doomsday proj though | Aug 07 01:41 |
| GoblinRFD | An interesting point in that article...(not really in respect of Doomsday) | Aug 07 01:42 |
| GoblinRFD | "Avoid unnecessary technical innovation" | Aug 07 01:42 |
| GoblinRFD | who deems what unnecessary? what is unnecessary? how is one to second guess what is unnecessary or will be defacto in the future? | Aug 07 01:42 |
| GoblinRFD | if we lived by the ethos of "Avoid unnecessary technical innovation" would our PC's have progressed past 640k mem? | Aug 07 01:43 |
| GoblinRFD | or would we have even moved off tape? | Aug 07 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: the fact that DOC is 'common' doesn't avoid these issues. sorry to repeat myself. | Aug 07 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: it's seductive thought, leads to false sense of safety | Aug 07 01:44 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: no need to say sorry! its a really interesting debate! | Aug 07 01:44 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: I think in balance.....common makes the risk less...would you agree on that common ground? | Aug 07 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: it's true that DOC has a better chance than most. but what about the rest? PSD? | Aug 07 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: yes I agree with that. | Aug 07 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: but unfortunately we have to deal with much more than DOC. | Aug 07 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: here's a good example: Mathematica | Aug 07 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: thousands of institutions, 10,000s of researchers, encode their work in Mma | Aug 07 01:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: it's proprietary. | Aug 07 01:45 |
| GoblinRFD | yes, but I think people are aware of the risks and don't need forced open standards... | Aug 07 01:45 |
| GoblinRFD | or indeed a campaign | Aug 07 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: you can't easily run a CURRENT version .. need licence, right hw, etc | Aug 07 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | imagine trying to recreate an experiemnt with an OLD version!!! | Aug 07 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | almost impossible for an archivist. | Aug 07 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | see the scale of the issue? it's HUGE. | Aug 07 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | decades of work WILL be lost. | Aug 07 01:46 |
| GoblinRFD | what I will say (in support of your opinion) | Aug 07 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: no, people are not aware at all. | Aug 07 01:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: people use what works today. they don't consider the plight of somebody recreating their work in 3, 30, 300 years. | Aug 07 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | ever. | Aug 07 01:47 |
| GoblinRFD | if their data is important...trust me they are aware.... | Aug 07 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | and proprietary sw kills the chance stone dead. | Aug 07 01:47 |
| GoblinRFD | or trust me, in my experiences | Aug 07 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: examples above. researchers in teh sciences. | Aug 07 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: they are not preparing for this. | Aug 07 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | GoblinRFD: they have no time, tools or training to ensure survival or reproducibilty of their work. | Aug 07 01:47 |
| GoblinRFD | ok granted...but Im talking far more sensitive data... | Aug 07 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | government? at best, it's in DOC. | Aug 07 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | what about stuff not in DOC? | Aug 07 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | remote sensing data? | Aug 07 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | do you remember the story of the Apollo/Viking/etc tapes that can't be decoded? | Aug 07 01:48 |
| GoblinRFD | furnaceboy: government in doc? | Aug 07 01:48 |
| GoblinRFD | furnaceboy: what, the "sensitive stuff"? | Aug 07 01:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's your area, not mine; but i am only saying that the bulk of data we can access today won't survive without careful planning. no matter how valuable it is. | Aug 07 01:49 |
| GoblinRFD | furnaceboy: can I dm you? | Aug 07 01:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course... | Aug 07 01:49 |
| GoblinRFD | could you DM me first...I can't open another window...damn my l337ness and hosing this IRSSI | Aug 07 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | i have to rush out for dinner, wife yelling, can i get to your PM when i get back? | Aug 07 01:50 |
| GoblinRFD | (tried to customize it and ended up messing it up) | Aug 07 01:50 |
| GoblinRFD | yep no probs. | Aug 07 01:50 |
| GoblinRFD | its just a quick one. | Aug 07 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok, i'll grab you in an hour. | Aug 07 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't think she'l wait for that. :) | Aug 07 01:51 |
| GoblinRFD | lol.... | Aug 07 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | bbs | Aug 07 01:59 |
| GoblinRFD | FurnaceBoy: I may be gone by the time you get back its 0155! ....i'll look forward to our discussion tomorrow though! | Aug 07 02:04 |
| GoblinRFD | and I think on that note I will go... | Aug 07 02:05 |
| GoblinRFD | "Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast" | Aug 07 02:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Making A High Quality Film On The Cheap With A Digital SLR http://dlvr.it/3Txms | Aug 07 02:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Every1 uses Craigslist. No1 is gonna believe @craignewmark or Craigslist is evil. CNN just severely compromised ts credibility | Aug 07 03:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Every1 uses Craigslist. No1 is gonna believe @craignewmark or Craigslist is evil. CNN just severely compromised its credibility | Aug 07 03:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Old Media CNN is scared of @craignewmark & Craigslist. Their "reporting" is biased as a result. | Aug 07 03:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Ppl who use Craigslist will continue. Ppl who didn't will ck it out. @craignewmark will gain more customers as a result. Cool! | Aug 07 03:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] CNN basically just gave @craignewmark & Craigslist millions in free advertising. | Aug 07 03:25 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Oh. My. God. Did you see the TIME cover? | Aug 07 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "WHat happens if we leave Afghanistan?" | Aug 07 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's just unfrackingbelievable | Aug 07 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: exploiting one disfigured woman to defend a campaign that kills and maims dozens every day | Aug 07 03:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they are getting very brazen | Aug 07 03:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #Data preservation is a difficult problem: media, applications, runtimes, hardware. Proprietary software is kryptonite for preservation. | Aug 07 03:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] We have systems, even source code, that we don't know how to build an emulator for, any more. #Multics | Aug 07 03:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Abundance And Scarcity In Privacy http://dlvr.it/3V27V | Aug 07 04:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@ericgrant A state senator from AZ just said the #14thAmendment to Constitution is un-Constitutional // his election was undemocratic, too | Aug 07 04:04 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, NoScript 2.0 now has anti-adblock detection script scripts B-) | Aug 07 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | arms race ftw | Aug 07 04:39 |
| DaemonFC | Jabba is playing vicious predator with a bottle cap | Aug 07 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 07 04:41 |
| DaemonFC | cheap entertainment | Aug 07 04:41 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I may install Debian/kFreeBSD at some point on my other system and make a screenshot tour | Aug 07 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 04:43 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't seem to get much attention | Aug 07 04:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you do, try zfs, which is one serious value add for freebsd over linux | Aug 07 04:45 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't think I could live with the Ports system | Aug 07 04:58 |
| DaemonFC | but Debian's kFreeBSD has the same Apt package system as the Linux version | Aug 07 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Ports system is not really a great thing on a desktop OS | Aug 07 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, it was one of the first things PC-BSD changed about FreeBSD :) | Aug 07 04:59 |
| DaemonFC | of course pkg_add has switched to binaries for a lot of stuff | Aug 07 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | the average user is more concerned with slapping a program onto the system than messing around with compiler flags | Aug 07 05:00 |
| DaemonFC | and waiting for hours while it builds | Aug 07 05:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | on today's machines, nothing takes an hour. | Aug 07 05:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | not even gcc. | Aug 07 05:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | but, i mean if you try DEBIAN/freebsd, do try zfs | Aug 07 05:02 |
| DaemonFC | it takes about an hour to compile Linux | Aug 07 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | nonsense. | Aug 07 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | it takes several hours to compile Firefox | Aug 07 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | on my 6yo machine, the kernel builds in like < 10min | Aug 07 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt that | Aug 07 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Aug 07 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok, i'll time it for you. | Aug 07 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | how often do you build kernels? | Aug 07 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | even if you disabled all modules and had a Core i7, it would take longer than 10 minutes | Aug 07 05:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 05:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | obviously you don't build kernels. | Aug 07 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | obviously I have | Aug 07 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'have'? when? | Aug 07 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | and a Core 2 Duo or a Phenom II X4 can't get it done in less than 45-ish minutes to an hour | Aug 07 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not a very large program | Aug 07 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL! | Aug 07 05:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | when did you last benchmark that? | Aug 07 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | I think the last time I built a kernel it was Linux 2.6.29 | Aug 07 05:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | and how long did it take? | Aug 07 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | roughly 45 minutes or so | Aug 07 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | then after that was done I had to wait while it was being packaged into neat little DEB files | Aug 07 05:05 |
| DaemonFC | The kernel is just not something that builds quickly | Aug 07 05:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL! | Aug 07 05:06 |
| DaemonFC | especially if you need quite a few modules | Aug 07 05:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | back in 2002, a guy with an IBM POWER SMP box built it in 12 seconds. | Aug 07 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, he probably trimmed it down to exactly the minimum that was needed to run HIS machine | Aug 07 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | which is not always so clear cut | Aug 07 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | because there are thousands of config options and thousands of modules | Aug 07 05:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's pretty dumb, on the other hand, to enable everything. | Aug 07 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | and it's easier to just build whatever your distro kernel had than to realize you disabled the wrong module later | Aug 07 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | bbiab | Aug 07 05:09 |
| DaemonFC | back | Aug 07 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, I just spend a few minutes whacking the arrow keys and the space bar when configuring a kernel | Aug 07 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | If I can't tell right away whether I need it or not, I just leave it alone | Aug 07 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | I basically disable all the stuff I obviously don't need, debugging crap, and enable a few processor specific optimizations | Aug 07 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | and then exit | Aug 07 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 05:16 |
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| DaemonFC | it takes a lot longer going through 1,000 random poorly documented modules and trying to decide whether or not each one of them applies to you than to just hit OK and let the damned thing build :) | Aug 07 05:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: 10 minutes 30 seconds, on this P4 3.2 | Aug 07 05:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | six years old | Aug 07 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had it build that fast | Aug 07 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | on anything | Aug 07 05:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | 2.6.31 | Aug 07 05:18 |
| DaemonFC | about half the modules give you a good idea of what they do just by looking | Aug 07 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh, Crapple Cinema display and Minix file system drivers!" | Aug 07 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't need those!" | Aug 07 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | about another 20% will say something like "Disable this if unsure" or "Enable this if unsure" | Aug 07 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | ok, then the remaining 30% or so are just a total grab bag | Aug 07 05:22 |
| DaemonFC | "This makes sure the primary EPS conduits are functional and misconfiguring it will cause a feedback loop in the tertiary plasma array!" | Aug 07 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | OK...better leave that one alone, beam me up! | Aug 07 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 05:23 |
| DaemonFC | looking at Ubuntu's kernel config, you can see how it is obviously bloated to hell | Aug 07 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | which some of that is explainable by the fact that they can't tell exactly what it will end up running on | Aug 07 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | and all distributions have that problem | Aug 07 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | but some of it it things that slow the kernel down like building it wit hall the debugging options | Aug 07 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | *with all | Aug 07 05:26 |
| DaemonFC | 1,000 modules you don't need don't really affect the kernel's performance at all, just how long it takes to build and maybe a few MB of disk space | Aug 07 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | there's only really a few settings in there that affect performance in any sort of measurable way | Aug 07 05:27 |
| DaemonFC | and quite often, whenever there's a recommendation that you do or don't do something, Ubuntu does the opposite of whatever the recommendation said | Aug 07 05:28 |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/just-who-is-doing-what-in-gnome-does-the-census-provide-a-reasonable-assessment/ | Aug 07 06:36 |
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| DaemonFC | "So here we have three proprietary software companies and a bankrupt KDE distro that all give more of themselves to GNOME than Canonical’s Ubuntu, a profitable corporation that sees GNOME the same way they see all the other Free and Open Source Software they rely on. An all you can eat buffet of work that other people have done, that they can give back minimally to and go forth and make tons of money from." | Aug 07 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 06:42 |
| cubezzz | it wouldn't be too hard to make a distro | Aug 07 06:54 |
| cubezzz | time consuming, but not too hard | Aug 07 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | as evidenced by the fact that there are so many of them | Aug 07 06:57 |
| cubezzz | sure | Aug 07 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | about the only thing that's costing Canonical any money is bandwidth to host their site | Aug 07 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | and whatever they've put into developing Launchpad | Aug 07 06:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/ubuntus-community-manager-gratuitously-advertising-for-microsoft/ | Aug 07 07:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Children are walking away from #Microsoft based on a new report which downgrades Microsoft’s stock http://ur1.ca/10vv7 | Aug 07 07:11 | |
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| cubezzz | I've used ustream too | Aug 07 07:12 |
| cubezzz | and sopcast and a million other things | Aug 07 07:12 |
| cubezzz | there's almost always a way to get streams and/or videos | Aug 07 07:13 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Local-Charity-Organization-Sees-Rise-In-Need-99976954.html | Aug 07 07:22 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/windows-7-dinged-by-new-zero-day-vulnerability/7065 | Aug 07 07:32 |
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| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 07:32 |
| cubezzz | wow, I'm receiving PBS from Erie, Pennsylvania | Aug 07 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | "which could be exploited by malicious users to crash an affected system or potentially execute arbitrary code with kernel privileges." | Aug 07 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Aug 07 07:32 |
| cubezzz | that's pretty far away | Aug 07 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz made an antenna out of coat hangers, aluminum folder, and real Canadian maple syrup | Aug 07 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 07 07:33 |
| DaemonFC | it runs Linux | Aug 07 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | *foil | Aug 07 07:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Supreme Court Watch: Elena Kagan's Policy on #Patents Scarcely Known http://ur1.ca/10w2l #SCOTUS #ElenaKagan #swpats | Aug 07 07:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | I still don't see how Canada makes money on maple syrup | Aug 07 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | the fake stuff with maple flavoring tastes exactly the same | Aug 07 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | and is 90% cheaper | Aug 07 07:35 |
| cubezzz | it's weird, I shouldn't be receiving usable signals from that distance | Aug 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's the syruop | Aug 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | *syrup | Aug 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | the syrup is amplifying the signal | Aug 07 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | Canadian syrup is so good it defies the laws of physics | Aug 07 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 07:36 |
| cubezzz | checking how many miles/kms that is now | Aug 07 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | probably at least a few hundred miles | Aug 07 07:36 |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the fake syrup tastes nothing like the real thing. | Aug 07 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | it tastes exactly the same to me | Aug 07 07:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think we;ve discussed this before | Aug 07 07:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | you're just weird | Aug 07 07:37 |
| cubezzz | that's just .... very odd | Aug 07 07:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not true, cubezzz | Aug 07 07:37 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Aug 07 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Not all people have the same taste buds FurnaceBoy | Aug 07 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | the syrup is a lie | Aug 07 07:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've surveyed a number of people, including myself - the real syrup is far and away more desirable | Aug 07 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 07 07:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | in fact, i sent 1 litre of it to my sister overseas yesterday | Aug 07 07:38 |
| cubezzz | let me check the tv again | Aug 07 07:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I think that's DaemonFC's problem | Aug 07 07:38 |
| oiaohm | Also some people can see more colours than the rest of us as well. | Aug 07 07:38 |
| cubezzz | seems impossible | Aug 07 07:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but, the real stuff is far, far better than any synthetic crap. | Aug 07 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | the fake stuff is $1 a bottle and tastes the same as the Canadian stuff | Aug 07 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | which is like $7-8 | Aug 07 07:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: except. it doesn't. | Aug 07 07:38 |
| oiaohm | What are we talking about ie what syrup | Aug 07 07:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: also, it's not a uniquely canadian product. other countries produce real maple syrup. | Aug 07 07:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: MAPLE SYRUP | Aug 07 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | maple syrup vs imitation syrup with maple flavoring | Aug 07 07:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's expensive in Australia | Aug 07 07:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: which is why i send it by the litre to my relatives there | Aug 07 07:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I think you pay at least $100/litre | Aug 07 07:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | (last time i checked, a few months ago) | Aug 07 07:40 |
| cubezzz | yeah, I guess it's possible, I'm watching it :-0 | Aug 07 07:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | (and it's not easy to find) | Aug 07 07:40 |
| oiaohm | Ok the syrup I use in small ammounts. | Aug 07 07:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: heh | Aug 07 07:40 |
| oiaohm | I find it fairly simple to get. | Aug 07 07:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sex workers 'named and shamed' on Met police website - http://bit.ly/acdUkY those brave Boys in Blue tacklkng | Aug 07 07:40 | |
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| oiaohm | But price is ouch. | Aug 07 07:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: right, depends where you are. | Aug 07 07:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie I am in Australia | Aug 07 07:40 |
| oiaohm | Queensland | Aug 07 07:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes. you pay about four times what we pay here. | Aug 07 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | margarine and fake maple syrup on frozen blueberry pancakes made in the toaster | Aug 07 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | ftw | Aug 07 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 07:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ...which is why I sent my sister a litre of it yesterday. | Aug 07 07:41 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, I'm getting TV from PA :) | Aug 07 07:41 |
| oiaohm | Also I live right near area that produces suger based syrup | Aug 07 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart sells frozen silver dollar pancakes | Aug 07 07:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sex workers 'named and shamed' on Met police website - http://bit.ly/acdUkY those brave Boys in Blue tackling deadly criminals again... | Aug 07 07:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | they say make them in the microwave | Aug 07 07:41 |
| oiaohm | We have tones of suger based syrup cheep. | Aug 07 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | but I throw them in the toaster | Aug 07 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | they come out crunchy :) | Aug 07 07:41 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes I put bananas, peanut butter, and imitation maple syrup on them | Aug 07 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | and whipped cream | Aug 07 07:42 |
| DaemonFC | you can make them into sandwiches like that | Aug 07 07:42 |
| oiaohm | Funny thing is I have never seen imitation maple syrup on shelves here. | Aug 07 07:43 |
| amarsh04 | I've seen both, oiaohm | Aug 07 07:44 |
| cubezzz | there's maple trees all over the place around here | Aug 07 07:44 |
| oiaohm | We have golden syrup what is the suger based that is dirt cheep and true Canadian maple syrup for the up market and that is the end of it. | Aug 07 07:45 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] OLPC India want to purchase 1 million laptop from Govt of India http://post.ly/qe2n | Aug 07 07:45 | |
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| oiaohm | Thinking here items that USA people would use maple syrup on most of us here use golden syrup. But it has way different taste. | Aug 07 07:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: hold up | Aug 07 07:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | most of the maple syrup in the US isnt | Aug 07 07:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Making A High Quality Film On The Cheap With A Digital SLR - http://bit.ly/bEdGDx "how will we make $200 million movies?" - we don't have to | Aug 07 07:46 | |
| amarsh04 | I never had much of a taste for golden syrup | Aug 07 07:46 |
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| Diablo-D3 | most maple syrup in the US is really HFCS with brown food coloring and fake maple taste | Aug 07 07:47 |
| oiaohm | Its a aquired tasted amarsh04 | Aug 07 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | its difficult and expensive to get the real stuff | Aug 07 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | if it isnt made in maine, nh, vermont, or canada, its not the real thing | Aug 07 07:47 |
| amarsh04 | we tended to use honey instead | Aug 07 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if its a brand you've heard of, its not the real thing | Aug 07 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | that said | Aug 07 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have a tiny little jar | Aug 07 07:47 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dear memcached users, I want to punch you all in the nuts for this http://ur1.ca/10w5r | Aug 07 07:47 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Police doing part to help economy by advertising for prostitutes on their police website http://bit.ly/acdUkY | Aug 07 07:47 | |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Aug 07 07:47 |
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| Diablo-D3 | a tiny little bottle | Aug 07 07:47 |
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| Diablo-D3 | really small | Aug 07 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | that cost me like $10 | Aug 07 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I use it very sparingly | Aug 07 07:48 |
| amarsh04 | all this talk is making me want to cook pancakes (-: | Aug 07 07:49 |
| cubezzz | 136 miles, that has to be near the limit | Aug 07 07:49 |
| oiaohm | I guess you have not had molasses either amarsh04 | Aug 07 07:49 |
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| amarsh04 | no, only golden syrup. I've seen molasses and treacle for sale, but only seen molasses used in horse feed | Aug 07 07:50 |
| cubezzz | heh | Aug 07 07:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: no, there's also fake syrup for sale there. | Aug 07 07:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: 'imitation' | Aug 07 07:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Marking and Tagging the Public Domain: Call for Comments - http://bit.ly/cS0Myt "allows works already in the public domain to be marked" | Aug 07 07:50 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and it is cheaper. because it's crap. | Aug 07 07:50 |
| cubezzz | now I got to check maple syrup prices around here | Aug 07 07:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: a litre is about CAD $29 | Aug 07 07:51 |
| cubezzz | wow, as much as that? | Aug 07 07:51 |
| cubezzz | more pricey than I thought | Aug 07 07:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | A litre is quite a bit. | Aug 07 07:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | most jars are smaller, 200 ml | Aug 07 07:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | table jars. | Aug 07 07:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: molasses is what we feed horses. :) | Aug 07 07:52 |
| cubezzz | you can get Heinz beans with molasses | Aug 07 07:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yes but | Aug 07 07:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | you heat heinz baked beans, out of the can, cold. | Aug 07 07:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | or camples | Aug 07 07:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, cambles | Aug 07 07:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | no wait I was right | Aug 07 07:53 |
| oiaohm | molasses that you feed to horses or cattle can be used to make some really nice baked cookies and the like. | Aug 07 07:53 |
| cubezzz | yeah I always heat it | Aug 07 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Ie the taste for golden syrup lot comes from those cookies based on molasses | Aug 07 07:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Anzacs ftw:) | Aug 07 07:54 |
| cubezzz | I'm actually trying to cut down the sugar intake | Aug 07 07:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: good idea. zero soda is a start. | Aug 07 07:54 |
| cubezzz | haven't drunk pop in years | Aug 07 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | not everyone drinks non-diet soda | Aug 07 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Anzacs are some of the worst of the molasses biscets. | Aug 07 07:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: at 30-50g sugar per bottle, it's a good idea to avoid.. and diet is worse | Aug 07 07:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: golden syrup, usually... | Aug 07 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | diet isnt worse. | Aug 07 07:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: unless you like aspartame | Aug 07 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | just dont drink shit with aspartame in it | Aug 07 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Reason Anzacs were design to not rot simply. | Aug 07 07:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | see above. | Aug 07 07:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: the popular ones use aspartame. | Aug 07 07:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: do any use natural sweeteners? | Aug 07 07:56 |
| cubezzz | had some ultra-sugary ocean spray fruit drink the other day | Aug 07 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | pepsi one and coke zero arent popular? | Aug 07 07:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: what does Coke Zero use? | Aug 07 07:56 |
| cubezzz | it said "no sugar added" on the label | Aug 07 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | both use splenda. | Aug 07 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | coke zero also sucks, but thats imo | Aug 07 07:56 |
| cubezzz | 35 grams of sugar per serving | Aug 07 07:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: aspartame isn't the only toxin - nutrasweet/sucralose/splenda is just as bad. | Aug 07 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: nope | Aug 07 07:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | another excitotoxin. | Aug 07 07:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, look it up. | Aug 07 07:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | aspartame is a neurotoxin | Aug 07 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | splenda merely can cause cancer. | Aug 07 07:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | both are toxic. | Aug 07 07:57 |
| cubezzz | I try to avoid all those fake sugar things | Aug 07 07:57 |
| oiaohm | There is 1 natural one. | Aug 07 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | its the level of toxicisty thats the problem | Aug 07 07:57 |
| oiaohm | in the fake sugers | Aug 07 07:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | aspartame is murder. | Aug 07 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | splenda meets the legal minimum, aspartame doesnt. | Aug 07 07:57 |
| oiaohm | But eat too much you will have the runs of the natural one. | Aug 07 07:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, i've heard that. i am still not sure why anyone would willingly ingest poison. what's the payoff? | Aug 07 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | aspartame, by the way the federal law is now and when it was "passed" by the fda, it did NOT meet the law. | Aug 07 07:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: i know. | Aug 07 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | thank you president bush. | Aug 07 07:58 |
| cubezzz | you get cancer you lose weight? :) | Aug 07 07:58 |
| oiaohm | cancer more often than not you gain weight cubezzz | Aug 07 07:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | and before anyone bitches about that, good ole rummy is the one that shoved it through the FDA | Aug 07 07:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: actually it was "passed" long before bush. | Aug 07 07:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: Reagan | Aug 07 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Fort-Wayne-Car-Dealer-Indicted-for-Fraud-99722999.html | Aug 07 07:58 |
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| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: rumsfeld did it. | Aug 07 07:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriousyl | Aug 07 07:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: diet soda doesn't lead to weight loss. | Aug 07 07:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: at least, not aspartame based ... quite the contrary. | Aug 07 07:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | the guy is a fucking faggot | Aug 07 07:59 |
| cubezzz | I heard about that actually | Aug 07 07:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: it's just a comforting, and profitable, lie. | Aug 07 07:59 |
| cubezzz | FurnaceBoy, I don't drink soda of any sort | Aug 07 07:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | secretary of defense twice, chief of staff once, he was a congrassman | Aug 07 07:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | and hes a fucking republican | Aug 07 07:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: amen | Aug 07 07:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: he's a nasty piece of work | Aug 07 08:00 |
| cubezzz | what's he doing nowadays? | Aug 07 08:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: nor me | Aug 07 08:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: counting his money | Aug 07 08:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz: like all those killers | Aug 07 08:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes hanging out with that dead guy, cheney | Aug 07 08:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and it gets even btter | Aug 07 08:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | death is a little too good for them | Aug 07 08:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | he worked for searle | Aug 07 08:00 |
| cubezzz | too bad he didn't actually die | Aug 07 08:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | which was bought by monsanto | Aug 07 08:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | which then merged with pharmacia (which bought out upjohn) | Aug 07 08:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then pharmacia merged with pfizer | Aug 07 08:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the fun part is | Aug 07 08:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | searle invented aspartame | Aug 07 08:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Mr A Raja (Union Minister for IT & Communications, GoI) appreciated in OLPC http://post.ly/qe7g | Aug 07 08:02 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | the FDA finally allowed it's use in 1981, even though it was invented in 1965 | Aug 07 08:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | and rumsfeld worked for these guys. | Aug 07 08:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | he was CEO, president, and chairman, all during a span of 77 to 85 | Aug 07 08:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | he stopped being the US representative to NATO in 74, he stopped being the chief of staff in 85, he stopped being the secretary of defense in 77 | Aug 07 08:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | he takes up that job | Aug 07 08:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | then he dicks around being rich for a few years | Aug 07 08:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | while hes part of reagan's complete absolute fuckup | Aug 07 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | he helps fuck over the middle east under reagan | Aug 07 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | then he continues fucking it up working for the carlyle group | Aug 07 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then in 2001, he becomes the secretary of defense again | Aug 07 08:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell News Roundup: Another Quiet Week Goes By http://techrights.org/2010/08/07/sco-trial-la-migration-etc/ | Aug 07 08:06 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | and you guys know the history after that | Aug 07 08:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh sorry, I mean you know the known knowns | Aug 07 08:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you might know the known unknowns | Aug 07 08:07 |
| cubezzz | gee, I wonder what other bad stuff he did | Aug 07 08:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | but no one knows the unknown unknowns | Aug 07 08:07 |
| *Diablo-D3 snarks | Aug 07 08:07 | |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: well | Aug 07 08:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | that searly merger chain is nasty | Aug 07 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | all of them have nasty shit done | Aug 07 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, I doubt rumsfeld was part of it all | Aug 07 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | but hes one of those kind of people | Aug 07 08:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | and he'll get away with it all. | Aug 07 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | he'll GET away with it? | Aug 07 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Aug 07 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | he GOT away with it | Aug 07 08:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | just like the rest. Kissinger will cheat the gallows. | Aug 07 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | multiple times | Aug 07 08:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: you know why religion exists? | Aug 07 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | so mass riots dont break out in the streets | Aug 07 08:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 07 08:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: they're too ignorant to riot. | Aug 07 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously | Aug 07 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | someone farts the wrong way | Aug 07 08:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: this doesn't exactly make the news. | Aug 07 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they'red be riots | Aug 07 08:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | if only. | Aug 07 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | FurnaceBoy: too many people know what rummsfeld did | Aug 07 08:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: there are one hundred just as bad. | Aug 07 08:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | Diablo-D3: start w/ Kissinger. | Aug 07 08:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | but we all have to hope that hell exists, and he has a first class ticket | Aug 07 08:10 |
| *FurnaceBoy waves nite | Aug 07 08:11 | |
| Diablo-D3 | night | Aug 07 08:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] _ @abhaga I was about to phone you. I will be in Banglore this sunday. I am free from 3pm to 11pm | Aug 07 08:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] @jonobacon: Congrats on Severed Vista7. http://www.severedfifth.com/2010/08/02/companies-that-have-supported-severed-fifth/ | Aug 07 08:12 | |
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| cubezzz | you might think Cheney has no heart: | Aug 07 08:14 |
| cubezzz | "In early July 2010, Cheney was outfitted with a left-ventricular assist device (LVAD) at Inova Fairfax Heart and Vascular Institute to compensate for increasing congestive heart failure.[132] The device pumps blood continuously through his body, so he now has no pulse" | Aug 07 08:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | we need him alive | Aug 07 08:14 |
| cubezzz | he must have the record for heart attacks | Aug 07 08:14 |
| cubezzz | his heard must be like the bionic man's by now | Aug 07 08:14 |
| cubezzz | heart | Aug 07 08:15 |
| cubezzz | I hear they're getting close to making organs now | Aug 07 08:15 |
| oiaohm | Really we have not got to the point that suger out blood stream can power bionic parts. | Aug 07 08:18 |
| oiaohm | Lot of work is being done to try to make organic organs because they require less repair work. | Aug 07 08:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @telecomix: New Zealand Law Society says Internet suspension of file sharers is not enough, they want them banned. http://bit.ly/bTnt36 | Aug 07 08:20 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Internet Ban Proposed for Serial Copyright Infringers | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 77.69 KB | Aug 07 08:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] My comment on OLPC India at my blogs are personal views, Please do not treat as Official statement from OLPC India. now editing blogs | Aug 07 08:29 | |
| DaemonFC | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/systemd | Aug 07 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Features/systemd - FedoraProject .::. Size~: 25.64 KB | Aug 07 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is ditching Ubuntu's Upstart | Aug 07 08:34 |
| oiaohm | Ok that systemd full support for cgroups is going to be nice. | Aug 07 08:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Incorrect report says that "The [Android] OS is based on the Linux kernel and GNU software." http://ur1.ca/10wh4 Google, add #GNU | Aug 07 08:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://goo.gl/zDAF - When Mr. Rogers moonwalked... | Aug 07 08:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] My Modified Blog on OLPC - http://blog.narendrasisodiya.com/2010/08/olpc-india-want-to-purchase-1-million.html - #olpc | Aug 07 08:46 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Narendra Sisodiya's weblog: OLPC should purchase 1 million laptop from Govt of India .::. Size~: 86.25 KB | Aug 07 08:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/d3Ry6F - Two Muslims charged with hate crimes for shouting anti-gay slurs at a woman they were mugging. | Aug 07 08:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] http://bit.ly/aS0QOx - Hating rap music is now a hate crime. I must be Public Enemy number 1. | Aug 07 08:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Teen faces hate-crime charge for rap music attack - Florida AP - MiamiHerald.com .::. Size~: 79.26 KB | Aug 07 08:55 |
| schestowitz | [03:42] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: Oh. My. God. Did you see the TIME cover? | Aug 07 08:57 |
| schestowitz | I saw that 2 days ago | Aug 07 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Time also published Gates propaganda | Aug 07 08:57 |
| schestowitz | Like 5 page article from the CEO's husband | Aug 07 08:57 |
| schestowitz | It's CNN | Aug 07 08:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] tomorrow, Sunday, I will be at Bangalore. 8pm I will be Forum Mall Bangalore, Please contact and collect SchoolOS. | Aug 07 08:58 | |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: re http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/just-who-is-doing-what-in-gnome-does-the-census-provide-a-reasonable-assessment/ | Aug 07 08:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Just who is doing what in GNOME? Does the Census provide a reasonable assessment? « Ryans Blog .::. Size~: 53.14 KB | Aug 07 08:59 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK, Canonical is not profitable | Aug 07 08:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] GM crop escapes into the American wild - http://bit.ly/bQODGm thus allowing Monsanto to sue the entire US ecosystem (via @Eaterofsun @dmcar) | Aug 07 08:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | Shuttleworth cited $30 million in revenues last year | Aug 07 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | and proclaimed that Ubuntu is now self-sufficient at that level | Aug 07 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | also, libgail is on that chart | Aug 07 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's been deprecated | Aug 07 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | why is it on the chart? | Aug 07 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | Glade is deprecated | Aug 07 09:02 |
| DaemonFC | Gconf is in the process of being deprecated | Aug 07 09:02 |
| oiaohm | What is replacing Glade | Aug 07 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | not sure | Aug 07 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | I just noticed in one of their roadmaps that they are deprecating it | Aug 07 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they're just referring to Glade 2 | Aug 07 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | are things still depending on that? | Aug 07 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | hmm, there's not much in Fedora that depends on Xulrunner anymore | Aug 07 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | removing Xulrunner will take Firefox (obviously) and yelp | Aug 07 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | and Simple Scan (which is a dumbed down XSane from Ubuntu) | Aug 07 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, Do you know of anyone who maintains an adblock list in filterset.g format? | Aug 07 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | [08:59] <DaemonFC> Shuttleworth cited $30 million in revenues last year | Aug 07 09:16 |
| schestowitz | URL? | Aug 07 09:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody GM crop escapes into the American wild - http://bit.ly/bQODGm thus allowing Monsanto to sue the entire US ecosystem | Aug 07 09:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/11/business/11ubuntu.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1 | Aug 07 09:16 |
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| schestowitz | That's old and it says revenue, not profit | Aug 07 09:17 |
| schestowitz | I saw that at the time and wrote about it | Aug 07 09:17 |
| schestowitz | Later they said they were not profitable | Aug 07 09:17 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45003130#notice-45333872 | Aug 07 09:18 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Is it not? I was under the impression that it used at least some GNU software (maybe BASH, binutils, coreutils, GTK+, or make?)" | Aug 07 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Wait, does ANdroid use some GNU? | Aug 07 09:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe things have changed since 2008 when it did not have GNU | Aug 07 09:19 |
| tessier_ | I am bummed that Android is only Linux kernel and no GNU userspace. | Aug 07 09:25 |
| tessier_ | All JVM and Java stuff. | Aug 07 09:25 |
| tessier_ | Hopefully someone will come up with a compatible distro that fixes that | Aug 07 09:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The next wave in scholarly word processors? - http://bit.ly/bLbDwD more deep thoughts on future directions #wordprocessors #research | Aug 07 09:30 | |
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| oiaohm | tessier_: Android has a BSD binary userspace that include its own strange version of libc. | Aug 07 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of standard C libraries out there | Aug 07 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | that's why licensing GNU's libc under GPL would make no sense | Aug 07 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | it would be no problem for proprietary software to just go link to another C library instead | Aug 07 09:34 |
| oiaohm | The android one is unique to android DaemonFC | Aug 07 09:34 |
| oiaohm | glibc does include extentions outside the standard libc by the way DaemonFC | Aug 07 09:34 |
| oiaohm | So LGPL protection on glibc does make sence. DaemonFC | Aug 07 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | LGPL does, yes | Aug 07 09:35 |
| oiaohm | Note gnu libc was the first lib under LGPL | Aug 07 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | LGPL is intended to be used on free software that has functional equivalents in proprietary software | Aug 07 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | where the GPL would make the free software library less attractive to proprietary software | Aug 07 09:37 |
| schestowitz | tessier_: thanks, that's what I thought | Aug 07 09:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian Mueller cannot say that he's not paid by Microsoft. http://ur1.ca/10wuu #swpats #ibm #sco #microsoft #turbohercules #lobbying | Aug 07 09:37 | |
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| oiaohm | Wrong DaemonFC | Aug 07 09:37 |
| oiaohm | LGPL is not only about proprietrary | Aug 07 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-not-lgpl.html | Aug 07 09:38 |
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| oiaohm | LGPL allows other open source licences to mix as well. DaemonFC | Aug 07 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | "There are reasons that can make it better to use the Lesser GPL in certain cases. The most common case is when a free library's features are readily available for proprietary software through other alternative libraries. In that case, the library cannot give free software any particular advantage, so it is better to use the Lesser GPL for that library." | Aug 07 09:38 |
| oiaohm | GPL is very exclusive. | Aug 07 09:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | well | Aug 07 09:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | arguably | Aug 07 09:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you're going to LGPL | Aug 07 09:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | you could just step down to BSD | Aug 07 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | not true | Aug 07 09:38 |
| DaemonFC | LGPL still makes them release their patches to the covered software itself | Aug 07 09:39 |
| oiaohm | BSD code can use a LGPL lib | Aug 07 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | it just doesn't make them GPL whatever they attach it to | Aug 07 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Where BSD code could not use a GPL lib | Aug 07 09:39 |
| oiaohm | Fully safely. | Aug 07 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | for example, Foobar2000 uses some code from mpg123 and carious gstreamer codecs | Aug 07 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | and has source code available for all of Foobar2000's patches to them | Aug 07 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | but Foobar2000 itself is proprietary | Aug 07 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | if the libraries were BSD licensed, then the whole thing could be proprietary | Aug 07 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | including the forked libraries | Aug 07 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | so LGPL ensures that the modifications made to the library itself must be shared | Aug 07 09:42 |
| oiaohm | MPL used by Firefox also would have issues without LGPL in places as well. | Aug 07 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | even though you can link them to proprietary software | Aug 07 09:42 |
| oiaohm | LGPL is a good halfway point. | Aug 07 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, you can link to proprietary code but you can't run off with your own fork of the library | Aug 07 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | so it is better than using a BSD license | Aug 07 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | it prevents everyone from simply taking the library, forking it, and then you have 100 different proprietary versions of your library out there | Aug 07 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | with varying levels of compatibility | Aug 07 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, and oddly enough, the BSD crowd does refer to Apple OS X as a BSD | Aug 07 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 07 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | it is | Aug 07 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | but it also isn't | Aug 07 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 09:45 |
| oiaohm | And LGPL does not restict people on how the licence there own code. | Aug 07 09:46 |
| oiaohm | So allows items like MPL and others to exist with it. | Aug 07 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 07 09:46 |
| oiaohm | Lot of poeple hold GPL up as the golden licence of open source. But to me LGPL is due the freedom it gives. | Aug 07 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | does ATI support the BSDs at all? | Aug 07 09:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I think you missed the point | Aug 07 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | or should I slap my Nvidia card back into the old system before setting off to play with FreeBSD? | Aug 07 09:48 |
| oiaohm | I like veration DaemonFC | Aug 07 09:48 |
| oiaohm | Opps Diablo-D3 | Aug 07 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://forums.freebsd.org/showpost.php?p=19462&postcount=5 | Aug 07 09:48 |
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| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 07 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | OSS 4 has per application volume controls | Aug 07 09:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A tale of two prosecutions: Same facts, different result - http://bit.ly/ds2eka good analysis of a bad situation (via @jackofkent) #uk #law | Aug 07 09:50 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Firefox is making >3000 wakeups per second on my machine, as opposed to below 100 (with nothing active running) according to powertop | Aug 07 09:57 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] !Firefox >6000 wakeups per second, Firefox is causing 72% of them http://ur1.ca/10wzk | Aug 07 10:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @diablod3 #Firefox >6000 wakeups per second, Firefox is causing 72% of them http://ur1.ca/10wzk | Aug 07 10:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @belledejour_uk: ...idly wondering if the time has come for me to "name and shame" ex-clients in the Met...? #BadSexLaw >>sounds fair | Aug 07 10:26 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/news_corp_ipad/ | Aug 07 10:39 |
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| schestowitz | Scarcity | Aug 07 10:51 |
| schestowitz | That's why those promote this thing so much in the media | Aug 07 10:51 |
| schestowitz | "Remember back in the day when Google was only activating 100,000 Android units a day? You should — it was May. By June, that number had jumped to 160,000 units a day. And today it now stands at 200,000 Android units activated a day. That’s pretty incredible." | Aug 07 10:53 |
| schestowitz | http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/04/android-activations/ | Aug 07 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | Many people from c.o.l.a. seem to end up with Android | Aug 07 10:53 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz not only recommends libimobiledevice, he's their #1 customer | Aug 07 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 07 11:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu’s community manager gratuitously advertising for #Microsoft http://ur1.ca/10xfs | Aug 07 11:03 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you got a lot of visitors on that last on | Aug 07 11:04 |
| schestowitz | I shared it in identi.ca and it was promoted to the front page | Aug 07 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm suspicious of them lately | Aug 07 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | their community manager is writing love letters to Microsoft | Aug 07 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | their Netbook Remix is adding Mono apps like Banshee | Aug 07 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | they're including their own Mono CIL files in the default installation | Aug 07 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | they're selling "patent protection" | Aug 07 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | and they're congratulating themselves for doing work that really only makes sense in their own distribution | Aug 07 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You can output from a mixer deck to your sound card's 3.5mm input jack, route it through Pulseaudio, and onto Flash apps | Aug 07 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | it may not be the cleanest way to hook it all up, but it's not difficult | Aug 07 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like him to tell me why he needs Windows 7 to do that | Aug 07 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | the main problem in this situation is Flash itself | Aug 07 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, in fact, it's the same "analog hole" that Microsoft is trying to close | Aug 07 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | notice how all of a sudden you need to have an "all digital" end to end connection to do things like play Blu Ray movies? | Aug 07 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | HDCP DRM and ilk | Aug 07 11:13 |
| schestowitz | The argument with Florian is taking up all morning.. http://techrights.org/2010/08/06/record-straight-on-groklaw-ibm/#comment-97093 | Aug 07 11:14 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, DRM doesn't stop "piracy", but it has killed entire new formats | Aug 07 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | such as DVD-Audio and the Super Audio CD | Aug 07 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | I looked into both formats when they were introduced and avoided buying into them just because of that | Aug 07 11:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just keep using CDs than deal with some new disc format that I can't rip from | Aug 07 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | even if it might be technically better | Aug 07 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I noticed jono doesn't use Bittorrent | Aug 07 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | on his band's website | Aug 07 11:19 |
| DaemonFC | Nine Inch Nails and Radiohead were distributing FLAC file at DVD-A resolution | Aug 07 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | and they used Bittorrent to do it | Aug 07 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't blame them | Aug 07 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't want to pay the bandwidth for thousands of downloads at >1GB each | Aug 07 11:21 |
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| DaemonFC | oh wow, he can't even name the files properly either | Aug 07 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | what a mess | Aug 07 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, http://audio.lugradio.org/severedfifth/deniedbyreign/ogg/severedfifth-deniedbyreign-beatingheart.ogg | Aug 07 11:22 |
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| DaemonFC | Cookie Monster on the vocals | Aug 07 11:23 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8mB6VsUHw | Aug 07 11:24 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Inordinately Strange Life of Dyce Sombre by Michael H Fisher - http://bit.ly/afrhpG literally extraordinary (via @carlmalamud) #india | Aug 07 11:27 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, On second thought, maybe letting him advertise that he made these with Windows 7 is not a bad idea | Aug 07 11:31 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Since I didn't have a trip away this weekend. Ive moved my main rig to another location in the house!....not too griefy either.. | Aug 07 11:42 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Now Im sitting in far more comfortable room,...got alot done this weekend, Im quite pleased with myself. | Aug 07 11:43 | |
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| *DaemonFC is having fun with his headset and Audacity | Aug 07 11:48 | |
| DaemonFC | doing my own versions of System of a Down | Aug 07 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 11:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLOAFEhWBKs | Aug 07 11:56 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUzd9KyIDrM | Aug 07 11:57 |
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| DaemonFC | there's always that | Aug 07 11:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/inside-outsourcing/2010/08/linux-rises-most-but-sql-java-c-c-net-and-asp-skills-most-demanded.html | Aug 07 12:00 |
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| *schestowitz thinks DaemonFC will remix "Stacy's dad" | Aug 07 12:01 | |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Aug 07 12:01 |
| schestowitz | This video is sick | Aug 07 12:02 |
| schestowitz | The cartoon ones are better | Aug 07 12:02 |
| schestowitz | HEre you see underage kids | Aug 07 12:02 |
| schestowitz | So if he got Stacy's mom, she'd be in prison | Aug 07 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W-fIn2QZgg | Aug 07 12:02 |
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| schestowitz | Squared and balls are bad words | Aug 07 12:04 |
| schestowitz | "Circles" are still safe | Aug 07 12:04 |
| DaemonFC | jugs, hooters, and knockers are also bad | Aug 07 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | or so I understand | Aug 07 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, did I tell you my neighbor called the cops on me yesterday | Aug 07 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | I was out there in the back yard with a potato cannon :P | Aug 07 12:07 |
| schestowitz | So? | Aug 07 12:11 |
| schestowitz | What did you shoot, jabba's big things? | Aug 07 12:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It sometimes seems like Linus, a Finn, helped make Android stronger, which in turns devastates his country's pride (Nokia) | Aug 07 12:11 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe he thought it was a real gun | Aug 07 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Like the one you *do* have | Aug 07 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Gun-loving kid struck in a grown up's body... still playing with potato guns | Aug 07 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 07 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's not actually illegal to fire a potato gun | Aug 07 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, There's a candidate for Sheriff that's fundraising here by having a shooting contest | Aug 07 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | he's got fully automatic assault rifles on the range | Aug 07 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | including AK-47s | Aug 07 12:16 |
| schestowitz | So..? | Aug 07 12:17 |
| DaemonFC | so... | Aug 07 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 12:18 |
| schestowitz | It's still a kid's game when you practice with potato fibre | Aug 07 12:18 |
| schestowitz | I used these when I was about 10 | Aug 07 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.garylsnyder.com/my_weblog/2010/07/come-and-help-the-major-shoot-holes-in-the-status-quo.html | Aug 07 12:19 |
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| schestowitz | Holes | Aug 07 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | It's a holey weapon | Aug 07 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | you shoot something and it leaves a rather large holey | Aug 07 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | ha | Aug 07 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | ha | Aug 07 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | ha | Aug 07 12:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.crn.com/it-channel/226600113 | Aug 07 12:21 |
| schestowitz | ""It's not dissimilar to the early days of Linux," Crenshaw said. "There was a lot of experimentation under the radar before Linux moved to the big screen. Customers have been experimenting with the cloud for two to three years." " | Aug 07 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | What the heck is "cloud" | Aug 07 12:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] BS watch: "The potential downside was that the platform could splinter, a concern that’s plagued the Linux community" http://ur1.ca/10y0w | Aug 07 12:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Who is Peter Webb? | Aug 07 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | troll? | Aug 07 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | well, obviously | Aug 07 12:27 |
| DaemonFC | but who is he trolling for? | Aug 07 12:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "The Linux community" as I know it is actually concerned that one distro will make the rest go away, which leads to lack of choice | Aug 07 12:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Dutch TV turns Pink this weekend (Google translation, see collum 3 Nederland 3) http://tinyurl.com/35pml9l #lgbtq #lgbt #glbt | Aug 07 12:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Dutch TV turns Pink this weekend (Google translation, see collum 3 Nederland 3) http://tinyurl.com/35pml9l !lgbtq !lgbt !glbt | Aug 07 12:30 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Linux big in SA http://mybroadband.co.za/news/software/14254-Linux-big.html going north, not down south | Aug 07 12:30 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, akismet lists all your pingbacks as spam | Aug 07 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Mine? | Aug 07 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Odd. | Aug 07 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 07 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | then there's a guy that commented the site is hard to read on his ipad | Aug 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Which one? | Aug 07 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Yours? | Aug 07 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | so I left him a comment that he should go get a real web browser with proper small screen rendering | Aug 07 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | like Opera | Aug 07 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Aug 07 12:37 |
| schestowitz | hypePad *LOL* | Aug 07 12:37 |
| schestowitz | It's for games | Aug 07 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | "This blog is hard to read on an iPad (FYI)." | Aug 07 12:37 |
| DaemonFC | "Yeah, I avoid using styles that are hypedevice friendly on purpose in favor of ones that can render properly in a real mobile web browser that can do proper small screen rendering. I think they might make Opera for hypedevices though." -me | Aug 07 12:37 |
| schestowitz | what is iPaddd? | Aug 07 12:37 |
| schestowitz | http://phandroid.com/2010/08/06/netflix-would-be-stupid-of-us-to-ignore-androids-continued-growth/ | Aug 07 12:38 |
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| DaemonFC | "Some fair points but the snarky axe grinding tone suggest a young man with more time to spend customising than most people. An article praising Debian would have been more persuasive, but I guess you are too young to have figured that out." | Aug 07 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | "On the other hand, I’m not too young to figure out that OS X is a toy and its users even pay $29 to register a program (Fetch) that does something banal like downloading files from an FTP server. (And it can’t do HTTP or SFTP like wget or curl can). :) I think you’re a miserable old fart with too much money." -me | Aug 07 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Hmm I just saw something odd. TV add for MSN messager. | Aug 07 12:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why #Android App Security Is Better Than for the #iPhone http://ur1.ca/10y5m Go, Katherine! | Aug 07 12:42 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://fetchsoftworks.com/fetch/about | Aug 07 12:43 |
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| DaemonFC | Wow, it can do almost 10% of what Konqueror can | Aug 07 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | and only $24! | Aug 07 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 07 12:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] TalkTalk becomes StalkStalk - http://bit.ly/axB0zQ detailed analysis of DPI fiasco #talktalk #dpi #uk | Aug 07 12:43 | |
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| DaemonFC | I don't get it | Aug 07 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | with all the open source code Apple ripped off, why can't they package wget or curl? | Aug 07 12:47 |
| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/326735 "yes, it's truly AWFUL that people can make their own custom versions, that's NEVER been helpful- good thing that never happens with cars or we'd really be in trouble (?)" | Aug 07 12:47 |
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| DaemonFC | Who cares if mobile operating systems splinter? | Aug 07 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | They're all proprietary DRM encrusted gulags anyway | Aug 07 12:49 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45022506#notice-45351533 "@schestowitz: Absolutely agree! Choice is important. Its pretty evident with whats happening with android base phones outselling the iPhone" | Aug 07 12:49 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I found the master key to unlock my phone, including it's internal storage | Aug 07 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | and I can mark unsigned apps as signed by AT&T | Aug 07 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 12:50 |
| DaemonFC | I did that with a few just so it would stop pestering me about the app not being signed every time I tried to go online with it | Aug 07 12:50 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45022506#notice-45352341 "@schestowitz it's kind of like worrying that a single party system might splinter into more, forcing people to vote" | Aug 07 12:51 |
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| schestowitz | Heh. Exactly. | Aug 07 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | Simple Scan probably won't get into GNOME | Aug 07 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying to get away from Xulrunner | Aug 07 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | not closer to it | Aug 07 12:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/04/mexico-legalisation-debate-drug-war | Aug 07 12:53 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mexico looks to legalisation as drug war murders hit 28,000 | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 70.1 KB | Aug 07 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | legalization is the only way to put an end to the organized crime | Aug 07 12:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/aug/05/usa-islam-elena-kagan-sharia-nonsense | Aug 07 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Elena Kagan and the sharia charge | Michael Tomasky | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 206.18 KB | Aug 07 12:57 |
| schestowitz | US sharia, DaemonFC | Aug 07 12:58 |
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| schestowitz | HEH. http://www.uruknet.info/pic.php?f=3president-obama-warmonger-3.jpg | Aug 07 13:02 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-may-aug.html#6%20August%202010%20%28CIA%20violates%20Nuremburg%20Code%29 | Aug 07 13:03 |
| schestowitz | CIA violates Nuremburg Code | Aug 07 13:03 |
| oiaohm | android has 2 things on it side. | Aug 07 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Number 1 its more open than iphones | Aug 07 13:04 |
| oiaohm | Number 2 it allows what other wise would be selling clone items in the market to sell legally. | Aug 07 13:05 |
| oiaohm | clone items ie fakes | Aug 07 13:05 |
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| schestowitz | Google is now 'bribing' devs too: http://www.muktware.com/blog/07/2010/277 | Aug 07 13:24 |
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| oiaohm | Google can afford to schestowitz | Aug 07 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SFC-wins-default-judgement-against-GPL-violator-1050552.html | Aug 07 13:25 |
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| DaemonFC | I have a Westinghouse monitor | Aug 07 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | :p | Aug 07 13:25 |
| schestowitz | smash it! | Aug 07 13:25 |
| schestowitz | >?- | Aug 07 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 07 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Show it with potato peels | Aug 07 13:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google CEO Eric Schmidt on privacy http://tinyogg.com/watch/a7azV/ video worth spreading | Aug 07 13:33 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45022506#notice-45355485 "I doubt that'll happen, as that distro must then push all development on it's own and we know how well that goes :D" | Aug 07 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Opensuse's manager | Aug 07 13:45 |
| schestowitz | community | Aug 07 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-12-14-002-21-NW-RH-SW | Aug 07 13:53 |
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| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 07 13:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @tuhl Android will be the most dominant phone platform soon (OSS rulez): http://is.gd/e7aWK | Aug 07 13:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 7/8/2010: #GNU #Linux Big in South Africa, #Acer Android Netbook, #Thunderbird 3.1.2 http://ur1.ca/10yl0 | Aug 07 13:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.fedoralegacy.org/ | Aug 07 14:03 |
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| DaemonFC | This page last modified December 31st, 1969 07:00 PM EST | Aug 07 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 14:03 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Aug 07 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Moon landing | Aug 07 14:12 |
| schestowitz | Mono landing | Aug 07 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | Why does Noscript block Firefox's internal Ogg Theora player? | Aug 07 14:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Russia Today Uses #AstroTurfing Group to Make Case Against #Google http://ur1.ca/10yps #ConsumerWatchdog | Aug 07 14:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh "Forbis audio/video" is default | Aug 07 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | lovely | Aug 07 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | *Forbid | Aug 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | It does save bandwidth. | Aug 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | For sites running video adveristing. | Aug 07 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Its a feature of noscript I like DaemonFC | Aug 07 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/inside_ie9/ | Aug 07 14:26 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz: I find #android security to suck a lot with huge clear examples of false sense of security! | Aug 07 14:30 | |
| oiaohm | Boy MS still does not get it. | Aug 07 14:32 |
| oiaohm | They don't have the right to pick and choose standards to support in a web browser. | Aug 07 14:32 |
| oiaohm | If others are implementing so do they. | Aug 07 14:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Sorry to All, I am directly going to Delhi from Hyd. Bangalore journey cancelled. #urgent | Aug 07 14:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] There is some biblical analogy here... ♺ @pietercolpaert: @jonobacon - ... dude? What the... http://ur1.ca/10xfs | Aug 07 14:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Western Digital is Bad for Your Freedom (and for #GNU #Linux http://ur1.ca/10ywg #WesternDigital #seagate #drm #hardware | Aug 07 14:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Awesomeness ♺ @rejon: EndlessYouTube Ben <b>Nanonote</b> running Abiword http://ping.fm/ktN1S | Aug 07 14:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 07 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | Jono actually uses Gwibber | Aug 07 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to see what becomes of Gwibber when Firefox 4 has AppTabs | Aug 07 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | and you can just leave Twitter running in an AppTab | Aug 07 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't seem to make much sense to keep another app open that has a full instance of Webkit running if you have something like AppTabs available | Aug 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I am writing about jono ATM | Aug 07 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Not happy with him daemonising my work based on false statements | Aug 07 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | what did he say? | Aug 07 15:13 |
| *DaemonFC was out getting some mt dew :P | Aug 07 15:13 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, How much performance hit would you say forcing XAA over EXA would give me? | Aug 07 15:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Vista7 is Under Attack and No Patches Are Available; #Ubuntu Community Manager Uses It http://ur1.ca/10z38 | Aug 07 15:17 | |
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| oiaohm | In theory no worse than 5 to 10 percent. DaemonFC | Aug 07 15:21 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_Products | Aug 07 15:21 |
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| schestowitz | New addition now... | Aug 07 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, The black box problem with EXA on Catalyst came back for some reason | Aug 07 15:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IronRuby is officially dead, says a Program Manager from #Microsoft #EmbraceAndExtend http://techrights.org/2010/08/07/ironruby-dies/ | Aug 07 15:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | and I've heard forcing XAA fixes it for sure | Aug 07 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Lot of the functions in XAA are 1 to 1 maps. | Aug 07 15:22 |
| oiaohm | to EXA | Aug 07 15:22 |
| oiaohm | And vice verser | Aug 07 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | so where are the black splotchy annoying things coming from? | Aug 07 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Note A lot | Aug 07 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Its not 100 percent of all functions. | Aug 07 15:25 |
| oiaohm | the 5 to 10 percent both ways is for emulation of some functions. DaemonFC | Aug 07 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I've been putting out there what I thought would be useful for answers to be obtained from Florian. He clearly cannot answer the question about Microsoft which he's so reluctant to address (even after 100 comments). | Aug 07 15:28 |
| schestowitz | PWNED, I think | Aug 07 15:28 |
| oiaohm | I wounder if all the Iron languages will die. | Aug 07 15:29 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45033853#notice-45362598 "You misspelled ‘Windows 7’." | Aug 07 15:31 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: probably | Aug 07 15:31 |
| schestowitz | I thought Ruby was a leader among them | Aug 07 15:31 |
| oiaohm | I don't see lot of uses of ironpython or ironphp either. | Aug 07 15:32 |
| oiaohm | .net idea was one engine running many different langs. | Aug 07 15:32 |
| oiaohm | If that fails completley it leaves .net really in a bad place. | Aug 07 15:32 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/eringrrl/status/20553619694 | Aug 07 15:35 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: c# | Aug 07 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Final nail would be C# with a native complier. | Aug 07 15:36 |
| schestowitz | Final nail would be Microsoft basing next WIndows on BSD code | Aug 07 15:38 |
| schestowitz | g2g bbl | Aug 07 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Why would that be wrong schestowitz | Aug 07 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Early windows did contain lots of BSD code blocks. schestowitz | Aug 07 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Next Windows containing large blocks of GPL and LGPL would be more of a final nail. schestowitz | Aug 07 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Apple gave up trying to maintain their OS | Aug 07 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | after the Copland vaporware turned into a total disaster | Aug 07 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | now it's just 95% FOSS and 5% Apple crap to make sure that an OS X application isn't a standard UNIX application | Aug 07 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | which is typical of proprietary UNIX (the forced incompatibility) | Aug 07 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | We're UNIX, and we're UNIX, and so are we.... | Aug 07 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | but you can't actually run a program from their UNIX on our UNIX | Aug 07 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 07 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | because our UNIX has "different features" than THEIR UNIX | Aug 07 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | but it's UNIX | Aug 07 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | we have the Seal of Approval right here! | Aug 07 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | paid $10 million for it and everything! | Aug 07 15:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | [10:27:47] <oiaohm> Final nail would be C# with a native complier.\ | Aug 07 15:58 |
| oiaohm | I was meaning for .net Diablo-D3 | Aug 07 15:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean the one microsoft has that eats a dielect of c# and shits out kernels? | Aug 07 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Not for C# | Aug 07 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | the UNIX mark stopped meaning _anything_ long ago | Aug 07 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | POSIX means something | Aug 07 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | POSIX is at least a baseline level of feature support | Aug 07 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's guaranteed to be there in every POSIX compliant OS | Aug 07 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | but it's still a problem when different operating systems start building a mountain of their own features onto that | Aug 07 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | hell, forget Linux vs. FreeBSD | Aug 07 16:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | it is | Aug 07 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's Linux vs. Linux | Aug 07 16:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt produce normal bytecode though | Aug 07 16:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its... kinda native | Aug 07 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat is still hauling around the nonstandard GCC 2.96 compatibility libraries from their broken Red Hat 7 bullshit | Aug 07 16:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | the whole thing is a limited subset, but it does work | Aug 07 16:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Sometimes you have to wonder at the sanity of some decisions http://bit.ly/94cJ8W | Aug 07 16:01 | |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, free advertising for prostitutes | Aug 07 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | provided by the government? | Aug 07 16:03 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ♺ @schestowitz: Western Digital is Bad for Your Freedom (and for !GNU !Linux http://ur1.ca/10ywg #WesternDigital #seagate #drm #hardware | Aug 07 16:08 | |
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| oiaohm | Depends on a prostitutes DaemonFC | Aug 07 16:09 |
| oiaohm | High end ones there clients don't want to be known to be with a prostitute | Aug 07 16:09 |
| oiaohm | So that adveristing would ruin them. | Aug 07 16:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @AshevilleFM: SATURDAY SAGE is on and giving up a few guilty pleasures! http://ashevillefm.org #avlmusic #avlfm #avlent Me: Good music | Aug 07 16:21 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] The article currently being spun about WikiLeaks source protection legalities is false. | Aug 07 16:26 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[daemonfc] ♺ @garylsnyder: RT @policygal: GM announces major investment in auto plant (in Mexico) http://goo.gl/pn72 | Aug 07 16:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | "Lieblein said General Motors has invested $4.1 billion in Mexico over the last four years. | Aug 07 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | US taxpayers bailed out GM, next came the Volt, and now this is the payback. | Aug 07 16:35 |
| DaemonFC | On the bright side, at least there may be fewer Mexicans crossing the border." | Aug 07 16:35 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] A few quotes in this article are untrue or misleading: http://yhoo.it/b21Q0z ; it is not endorsed. | Aug 07 16:57 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/?p=1978&preview=true | Aug 07 17:15 |
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| DaemonFC | err | Aug 07 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | should be http://izanbardprince.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/thoughts-on-internet-explorer-9/ | Aug 07 17:16 |
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| DaemonFC | I saw Paul Thurrott talking about IE 9 | Aug 07 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | and thought it was worth mentioning that IE 9 is lugging around 3 obsolete IE engines, and their javascript interpreters as COM objects | Aug 07 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | and major sites will just continue to stick a "this site is broken" tag on all their pages | Aug 07 17:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: your comment about Fetch is misguided. | Aug 07 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's something you 'heard' that you use to write off the platform, but it's absurd. | Aug 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | $29 for a crippled proprietary wget with half the features | Aug 07 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: OS X ships with curl; you can build wget easily; and GUI FTP clients like cyberduck are free, and support all flavours of ftp | Aug 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | where do I fork over my money? | Aug 07 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: see? your remark is irrelevant | Aug 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, FTP clients are so rare | Aug 07 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: aer you READING? | Aug 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | they're like gold | Aug 07 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: You're Not READING. | Aug 07 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ^^ | Aug 07 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | You're just wallowing in ignorance and error. | Aug 07 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | you have to sign up with an Apple account to download GCC to build wget | Aug 07 17:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: no, you don't. | Aug 07 17:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: another mistake. | Aug 07 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | possible, but not something an average user is competent enough to do | Aug 07 17:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: gcc ships with the computer | Aug 07 17:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the machine comes with curl pre-installed | Aug 07 17:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you want a GUI ftp client, there are full featured free ones. Download Cyberduck, take a look. | Aug 07 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | OK, stuff has changed since I used one apparently | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: none of this is new | Aug 07 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | because Panther had no curl | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it *always* shipped with curl; the system ALWAYS came with gcc. | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not true. | Aug 07 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | Panther had no GCC | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not true. | Aug 07 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | Panther had no wget | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it still doesn't have wget out of the box. | Aug 07 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | and Panther made you sign up with Apple to get GCC to build wget | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but it *always* had curl; it always came with gcc. | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: incorrect. | Aug 07 17:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | You're not READING. | Aug 07 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | then why was there no GCC on the system | Aug 07 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's on the DVD. Always was. | Aug 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | and nothing that provided a C compiler? | Aug 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | oh, it's on the DVD | Aug 07 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: go check out Cyberduck's site. that's a free, excellent ftp client. | Aug 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | that explains everything | Aug 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | all 5 MB of disk space was too much to include it in the OS? | Aug 07 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: and curl has always been bundled in the base install... | Aug 07 17:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's not 5MB, sadly. it's a gig or so. | Aug 07 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | I mean 500 MB for iTunes | Aug 07 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | and no GCC by default? | Aug 07 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | I thought those were real computers now | Aug 07 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it's on the dvd. | Aug 07 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's not a big hurdle for an intelligent man like you | Aug 07 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to call it UNIX, at least piss on me and tell me it's raining | Aug 07 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ubuntu doesn't install gcc by default, does it? | Aug 07 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | and throw compiler tools in | Aug 07 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Windows doesn't come with a compiler. | Aug 07 17:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: your objection is absolutely irrelevant | Aug 07 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Windows isn't UNIX | Aug 07 17:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you want gcc, you Put The DVD In. | Aug 07 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft doesn't want you to know how to build software | Aug 07 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | they want you to push buttons they give you | Aug 07 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu doesn't want you to grow, they want you to click on Ubuntu Software Store | Aug 07 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | they were too bust stuffing the CD with imitation .NET to include something stupid and pointless | Aug 07 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | like GCC | Aug 07 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | or the Gimp | Aug 07 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I figure they'll remove the link to launch a BASH terminal eventually | Aug 07 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's Ubuntu | Aug 07 17:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think there's an intelligent middle ground here. | Aug 07 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | frog and the boiling water thing going on at Ubuntu | Aug 07 17:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | for example, they could put the full developer package on the dvd and tell ppl where to find it if they need it. | Aug 07 17:28 |
| neighborlee | DaemonFC: they want you to know how to compile, just with .net LOL | Aug 07 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | you have to turn up the heat gradually or else the frog will hop out | Aug 07 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | neighborlee: well, we're discussing "bundled dev tools" issue | Aug 07 17:29 |
| neighborlee | I know | Aug 07 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | neighborlee: widnows definitely doesn't bundle any | Aug 07 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is making less pretenses of giving a shit about FOSS than they used to | Aug 07 17:29 |
| neighborlee | FurnaceBoy: I know. | Aug 07 17:29 |
| neighborlee | :) | Aug 07 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | they're cheap imitation Macdows now | Aug 07 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | neighborlee: and the obstacles are a lot higher than for os x or ubuntu | Aug 07 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | they've even had a sex change operation | Aug 07 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | I liked the days when Apple pushed OS X as a dev platform | Aug 07 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | for java, for all languages. | Aug 07 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb was talking about ubuntu's decline, but unfortunately he couldn't post a cite to a blog post or something that summarises why he thinks it's dying. | Aug 07 17:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh oh oh i have a question for you geniuses, and schestowitz | Aug 07 17:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | how do i find one of my very first tweets? | Aug 07 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | click on things | Aug 07 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | you'll get there eventually | Aug 07 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 17:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the web ui doesn't seem to allow this. | Aug 07 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Aug 07 17:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: not in a practical way for 11,000+ tweets. | Aug 07 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | I usually update from my phone's browser | Aug 07 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | or my phone's twitter app | Aug 07 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | or Pino | Aug 07 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | neighborlee: ola, nice to meet you. what do you do? | Aug 07 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yeah, but what kind of history access do they give? | Aug 07 17:33 |
| neighborlee | FurnaceBoy: farming | Aug 07 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | yes, neighborlee is very neighborlee | Aug 07 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | a very neighborlee farmer | Aug 07 17:33 |
| neighborlee | lo | Aug 07 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | neighborlee: then you have a good use for DaemonFC 's fertiliser | Aug 07 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | and everything neighborlee does was mighty neighborlee of him | Aug 07 17:34 |
| neighborlee | FurnaceBoy: lol | Aug 07 17:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 07 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'll make an offer to jono next time I see him | Aug 07 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | if he makes a video on Youtube of him smashing the free Vista7 disc into pieces | Aug 07 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | in a way that amuses me | Aug 07 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | I will send him one of my old Sound Blaster cards | Aug 07 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | free of charge | Aug 07 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 07 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | so that he can use the 3.5 mm jack | Aug 07 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | since apparently he doesn't have one with this advanced, nigh futuristic alien Reptilian shape-shifting technology | Aug 07 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 07 17:36 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if jono has an ISA slot | Aug 07 17:37 | |
| *DaemonFC would hate to send him one that's less than 20 years old | Aug 07 17:37 | |
| DaemonFC | Jono isn't stupid. There's no way that such an easy task escaped him. | Aug 07 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | His promotion of Vista 7 was deliberate. | Aug 07 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | Achieving what he claimed takes a $2 cord and a few mouse clicks | Aug 07 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | even on Ubuntu | Aug 07 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be scared if their community manager didn't know how to use the Pulseaudio volume control tray applet | Aug 07 17:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 07 17:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: but then, you talk about windows an awful lot, as if it still matters. | Aug 07 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | it matters if Ubuntu's community manager actively promotes it flippantly | Aug 07 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | at least in the way of, he shouldn't be doing that and holding the position he's in | Aug 07 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | If I were Mark Shuttleworth, I'd pull Jono by the collar over to the water cooler and have a one on one | Aug 07 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | but that's my managerial style :) | Aug 07 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see how any boss would tolerate his employees recommending the competition and exaggerating minor defects in their product to provide an excuse | Aug 07 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey, Ubuntu is crap, use Windows 7!" | Aug 07 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | he should have just said that | Aug 07 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, he did, but in more words | Aug 07 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | Pulseaudio is a mixed blessing | Aug 07 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | in that it covers up 10 years of bad ALSA design decisions (when it decides it wants to work) | Aug 07 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | but ALSA should be fixed by fixing ALSA | Aug 07 17:53 |
| ThistleWeb | so he needed windows for some specialist hardware, big deal. The only criticism I have is that he chose to mention it to some windows person he knows, who then pulled some strings and gave him a free copy, which he was obligated to mention in the donators page | Aug 07 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | not pancaking the sound system | Aug 07 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's not really "specialist" | Aug 07 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | if you think about it | Aug 07 17:54 |
| ThistleWeb | for me, what he should never have asked or hinted to get that free copy, thereor wouldnt need to mention Microsoft on the site | Aug 07 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | the 3.5mm jack can be used for all kinds of input | Aug 07 17:55 |
| ThistleWeb | if he needs windows, so be it, but a copy and use it | Aug 07 17:55 |
| ThistleWeb | buy* | Aug 07 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | implying that there's something horribly wrong where Linux can't let you use the 3.5mm jack on your sound card is a "bad thing" | Aug 07 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just amateur Limp Bizkit wanna-be assclowns recording something in their mother's basement that use this | Aug 07 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | but even they should be properly supported in doing so | Aug 07 17:56 |
| ThistleWeb | as I understand it, it's not the jacks, it's the firmware in some of the equipment being heavily built for windows, or only windows software being able to recognise it | Aug 07 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | because the feature goes beyond them | Aug 07 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | an analog out needs firmware? | Aug 07 17:56 |
| ThistleWeb | listen to the tllts ep with him froma few weeks ago, he goes into great depth about his setup | Aug 07 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | when it comes to audio connections, I prefer analog | Aug 07 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | not because it always gives The BEST results | Aug 07 17:57 |
| ThistleWeb | he needs midi for some stuff | Aug 07 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | but because it's never more complicated than plugging something in | Aug 07 17:57 |
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| DaemonFC | and digital connections have this funny way of not working half the time | Aug 07 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | and requiring hours of troubleshooting | Aug 07 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | hence the need for windows | Aug 07 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | I'd find something that had a kernel driver | Aug 07 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | even if it meant scouring ebay and importing one from Abu Dhabi | Aug 07 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | a lot of linux advocates have to use windows for some things, it's totally different from endorsing windows | Aug 07 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | well, liking to and having to are different things | Aug 07 17:59 |
| ThistleWeb | how many FOSS advocates work in places where they have to use XP and MS office, even IE because their employers are sucked into the MS mindset | Aug 07 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I can understand "This is my job and it really does require me to use Windows if I want my next paycheck" | Aug 07 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | you know? | Aug 07 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | but I'd like him to explain why his setup can't be done with Linux | Aug 07 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | so you'd rather he'd just abandon his free culture music project if it cant be done in linux? | Aug 07 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | he does, listen to tllts | Aug 07 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | and why he couldn't have chosen hardware that did support Linux | Aug 07 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | he goes into great depth about it | Aug 07 18:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: I port my GPL code to Windows | Aug 07 18:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: and support it | Aug 07 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | no, I mean he should have made every effort to avoid needing Windows | Aug 07 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | good for you | Aug 07 18:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: i despise the platform, not its users :) | Aug 07 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | and not promoting Windows even if he did need it | Aug 07 18:01 |
| ThistleWeb | DaemonFC: try listening to tllts with jono explaining it | Aug 07 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | if he said "Damn it, I need Windows for this, that sucks, oh well" I'd understand | Aug 07 18:01 |
| ThistleWeb | what else can I say? | Aug 07 18:01 |
| ThistleWeb | "if" "if" he already HAS, but you have no intention of checking it out, it's much easier to just assume he hasn't | Aug 07 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's like taking a leak in public | Aug 07 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | everyone's had to do it | Aug 07 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | but you try to hide behind a tree or something | Aug 07 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | you don't just whip it out and shout "HEY, I'M TAKING A PISS!!! HAHAHA!!!!" | Aug 07 18:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I have no probs with him using windows to record or whatever if his hardware needs it, my issue is the blagging a copy and therefor being duty bound to mention it in the supporters page | Aug 07 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | an animal typically doesn't shit where it sleeps | Aug 07 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | why do humans? | Aug 07 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 07 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | I would have just grabbed an evaluation copy of Windows Server | Aug 07 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | you can keep that going for a year without punching in a serial number | Aug 07 18:04 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah and that helps him long term how exactly? | Aug 07 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | he doesn't owe Microsoft an endorsement | Aug 07 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | and they don't get his money | Aug 07 18:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: ugh | Aug 07 18:05 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd imagine he'd wanna be sensible and set it up as a (hopefully) permenant install that he can switch on when he needs to record and have it just work exactly as he expects | Aug 07 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | formatting and re-installing Windows once a year is a given anyway | Aug 07 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 18:05 |
| ThistleWeb | he could have done it a different way I agree, like using donated money from fans to buy a copy | Aug 07 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | backing up user data is a trivial task | Aug 07 18:05 |
| ThistleWeb | or having a fan donate a copy, then thanking the fan | Aug 07 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | both of those would avoid having to credit Microsoft | Aug 07 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | there's legal ways to use Windows without paying for it | Aug 07 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | if he's a student somewhere he could get it at Dreamspark | Aug 07 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | he could have asked me for a copy of it | Aug 07 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | with a valid license | Aug 07 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | of course not that he would know that | Aug 07 18:07 |
| ThistleWeb | you're incredibly judgemental for someone who refuses to listen to the man explain huh? | Aug 07 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | I just didn't like his explanation, it wasn't an explanation | Aug 07 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | it was an advertisement | Aug 07 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: meet DaemonFC | Aug 07 18:08 |
| ThistleWeb | you've not heard his explanation, you refuse to listen | Aug 07 18:08 |
| ThistleWeb | despite the minor transgression of having to use windows because his hardware needs it, he does everything he can to make the project as open as possible | Aug 07 18:09 |
| ThistleWeb | he can't control the makers of his equipment | Aug 07 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | ok, I see he needs a USB sound card | Aug 07 18:10 |
| ThistleWeb | all he can do is try to get it working | Aug 07 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | there are many of those with 100% Linux support | Aug 07 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | on a laptop, many of which run Linux | Aug 07 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | he needs to stream it via Flash, which Pulseaudio can route to | Aug 07 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not seeing where this diagram breaks down because of Linux | Aug 07 18:11 |
| ThistleWeb | FurnaceBoy: this channel is often interesting, often people who have very valid points debate things, often with people who have some real insights into stuff, but sometimes people just melt a balance cicuit in their mind and turn into pitbulls who attack without knowing the reason | Aug 07 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | I gave up trying to use Windows for anything audio related a while back | Aug 07 18:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: DaemonFC has some very fixed ideas. see above re: OS X + FTP | Aug 07 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's wholly unsuitable | Aug 07 18:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: I am not sure why you bother with Windows period. | Aug 07 18:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: or talk about it so much. | Aug 07 18:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: I guess that's irc :D | Aug 07 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | we can all be drawn into arguments without understanding all of the details, I've done it myself | Aug 07 18:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. it's hard to tell who has a reasoned, thoughtful position | Aug 07 18:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | or one based on actual experience and knowledge | Aug 07 18:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | irc gives few clues. :) | Aug 07 18:13 |
| ThistleWeb | but it shows poor form to do it and put words into someones mouth when they have already spoken for themselevs and you refuse to listen | Aug 07 18:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | but then there's blog. which is why i asked sebsebseb for a cite on his objections to ubuntu.. | Aug 07 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | It just struck me as odd on a few levels is all | Aug 07 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | his "predicament" | Aug 07 18:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: I've found it difficult to dislodge DaemonFC's preconceptions. | Aug 07 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | considering how lulzy I think Windows' audio stack is | Aug 07 18:14 |
| ThistleWeb | FurnaceBoy: he can be very insightful on stuff | Aug 07 18:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: well i guess it's not a crime to be opinionated. but one does need to accept gentle pointers to facts | Aug 07 18:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: i think he relented on the os x ftp thing. | Aug 07 18:15 |
| *FurnaceBoy giggles | Aug 07 18:15 | |
| ThistleWeb | fine, criticise someone when it's valid, but don't have a go at someone for wrongs you've placed on them | Aug 07 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't use OS X | Aug 07 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's been years since I've had to use OS X | Aug 07 18:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: right, but some of us do, which is why i had to cite cyberduck and the dvd thing to you :) | Aug 07 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | I was making a statement of fact as I knew it based on my last interaction with OS X | Aug 07 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | and I observed that Fetch still exists for some reason | Aug 07 18:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: your memory has had some bit rot. | Aug 07 18:16 |
| ThistleWeb | in an ideal world it'd be great to buy and use all FOSS stuff, but we're nowhere close to that yet for a whole variety of reasons, we need to be pragmatic | Aug 07 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: the fact that there 'exists' a $29 shareware ftp client deosn't demonise the platform | Aug 07 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | ruh roh, sorry i hijacked the conversation | Aug 07 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | usually when something like that pops up and has a market, it's filling a gap | Aug 07 18:17 |
| ThistleWeb | or you live like RMS who has made the ethical decision to cut himself off from everything which does not conform to his idea of free | Aug 07 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's important too | Aug 07 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I can understand that | Aug 07 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | Flash is proprietary crap | Aug 07 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | I use it because it's popular | Aug 07 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | if I had the choice to get rid of it, I'd delete it | Aug 07 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | good riddance to a security cesspool | Aug 07 18:19 |
| ThistleWeb | I watch youtube vids, but I refuse to build flash into any sites I build | Aug 07 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | well, HTML 5 is still draft, but I would use it and tell people to come back when they had a real web browser | Aug 07 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 07 18:19 |
| ThistleWeb | if I do audio or video I offer ogg and ogv versions, while understanding the world uses mp3 mp4 / avi | Aug 07 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | I've avoided MP3 for a while unless I'm just toying with LAME to see what they've done with it lately | Aug 07 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like having them around | Aug 07 18:20 |
| ThistleWeb | ogg seems to be as good as (if not better) for the same settings, slightly smaller file and slightly better sound | Aug 07 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | hugely better sound | Aug 07 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | of course LAME has vastly improved a bad format (MP3) | Aug 07 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | as I understand it, the same can't be said for ogv | Aug 07 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | but there's a lot of crap the encoder can't work around | Aug 07 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Theora? | Aug 07 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I believe it varies depending on the quality settings | Aug 07 18:22 |
| ThistleWeb | yea | Aug 07 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Theora 1.1 is on par with DivX/XviD | Aug 07 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | take that for what you will | Aug 07 18:23 |
| ThistleWeb | possibly WebM is the answer for videos | Aug 07 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | WebM, depends on what encoder you use | Aug 07 18:23 |
| schestowitz | [17:31] <FurnaceBoy> how do i find one of my very first tweets? | Aug 07 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is a mess | Aug 07 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | I'd be hard pressed to tell you which was h.264 and which was FFMPEG encoded WebM | Aug 07 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Don't bet on being able to pull old stuff from it, let alone find it (I have 20k tweets) | Aug 07 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | but Theora would stick out like a sore thumb next to h.264 | Aug 07 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | which is why we should be glad for VP8 | Aug 07 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | Theora isn't bad, it's just not great | Aug 07 18:24 |
| ThistleWeb | <DaemonFC> but Theora would stick out like a sore thumb next to h.264 << that's my point, it's not comparable to what people expect | Aug 07 18:25 |
| ThistleWeb | ogg vorbis stands on it's own and competes on merit | Aug 07 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 07 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | even Microsoft uses it | Aug 07 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | to avoid $50,000 license fees in each video game they publish for MP3 | Aug 07 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | there's plenty of time to FUD free software in public while they secretly use it behind the scenes | Aug 07 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i have 11k | Aug 07 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: third parties MUST have them | Aug 07 18:26 |
| ThistleWeb | when there's a comparable FOSS version which stands on it's own merits, you can realistically encourage people to switch, while that's not the case, they won't | Aug 07 18:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this is such an obvious need | Aug 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too | Aug 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | I use identica | Aug 07 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Twitter is secondary | Aug 07 18:26 |
| ThistleWeb | identica is another great example, it's comparable to twitter but free | Aug 07 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Google scans them for Mr. PATRIOT :-) and indexes them :-) | Aug 07 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | right, the problem with all other formats that have tried to claim they were an upgrade from MP3, is that they are/were all more closed than MP3 | Aug 07 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | or were obviously infringing patents | Aug 07 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Sheriff Obama: "OK, Eric, scam for me something to do with that person and.... Al Jazeera..." | Aug 07 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | like MPC does | Aug 07 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | ThistleWeb: there are hundreds of such examples. in many cases the F/oSS product is superior, e.g. apache vs iss, firefox vs ie, etc | Aug 07 18:27 |
| schestowitz | Voila. Proof. | Aug 07 18:27 |
| ThistleWeb | FurnaceBoy: exactly | Aug 07 18:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you see the TIME cover. | Aug 07 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I am..speechless | Aug 07 18:28 |
| schestowitz | [18:00] <ThistleWeb> he does, listen to tllts | Aug 07 18:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it tells you everything u need to know | Aug 07 18:28 |
| schestowitz | I used to listen to them for a few months | Aug 07 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Very low signal, esp. if you listen to all 3 hours | Aug 07 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | the key is not to delude ourselves into thinking something which doesn't stand up to the competition, really does | Aug 07 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, IE 6 lingered a long time because Microsoft was in denial over web apps | Aug 07 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | and what that means for Windows | Aug 07 18:28 |
| ThistleWeb | that's not to say we give up, just that we need to wait a while yet | Aug 07 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | they denied it, then they tried to hijack it, and I'm not terribly convinced they're done trying to hijack it | Aug 07 18:29 |
| schestowitz | [18:28] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: did you see the TIME cover. | Aug 07 18:29 |
| schestowitz | yes, 3 days ago | Aug 07 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Or 2 | Aug 07 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I told you already | Aug 07 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: of course they're not done. | Aug 07 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you weren't here | Aug 07 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: Gates/Microsoft is against everything that makes the web succeed. | Aug 07 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome represents everything Microsoft feared that Netscape was going to do to them | Aug 07 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: their business model requires destroying it. | Aug 07 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | and more | Aug 07 18:30 |
| schestowitz | When you asked me about "TIME" I was sure they did another Gates advert in the front page | Aug 07 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: more or less | Aug 07 18:30 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: yeah tllts is just a 2hr 30min block of people chating with lots of silence and inane stuff, like any group of people sitting chatting | Aug 07 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: have you seen it? | Aug 07 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's beyond outrageous | Aug 07 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Like they did for his foundanatal group and the one with Bono too | Aug 07 18:30 |
| ThistleWeb | the difference is they record it and post it in full | Aug 07 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's obscene | Aug 07 18:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i saw the bottom part, and i thought, ok must be newsweek (we knwo they are corrupted) | Aug 07 18:31 |
| schestowitz | The girl is sentimental blackmail | Aug 07 18:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's the nicest interpretation. | Aug 07 18:31 |
| schestowitz | How many girls get like that in the US from bad nose jobs? | Aug 07 18:31 |
| schestowitz | They just buy a replacement | Aug 07 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Even Miss Michael bought one | Aug 07 18:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this is the most disgusting piece of propaganda i've seen, it beats riefenstahl | Aug 07 18:31 |
| schestowitz | She dropped it in a live concert :-) | Aug 07 18:31 |
| ThistleWeb | one of the hardest things for writers is to write realistic dialog, because realistic dialog (the way people talk)....tllts is a great example | Aug 07 18:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this is the Big Lie write large | Aug 07 18:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | writ* | Aug 07 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes we in the West can't let things be | Aug 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Like in Africa | Aug 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | We try to intervene | Aug 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | We give them guns :-) | Aug 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | And "IP" | Aug 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | And then they shoot each other | Aug 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | And serve imperialists, betraying their brothers | Aug 07 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | and that's a problem because? | Aug 07 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | *problem for me | Aug 07 18:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] TIME cover is the Big Lie, writ large. I am simply speechless at the obscenity of it. #war #afghanistan | Aug 07 18:32 | |
| schestowitz | But anyway, the thing about feeding them is, they'll just make more babies if they have more food | Aug 07 18:32 |
| schestowitz | So it's an unresolvable issue | Aug 07 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm neutral | Aug 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | We in the West are very good at one thing | Aug 07 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not shooting them | Aug 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Consuming the Earth quickly | Aug 07 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | nor am I feeding them | Aug 07 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | To an outside body (alien) we're just some things on the surface of the planet digging and moving some material around | Aug 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | messing up the planet for other living organisms | Aug 07 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: wait | Aug 07 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: stop and think | Aug 07 18:33 |
| schestowitz | We extract fossils from nearer to the magma and put them in the c02 | Aug 07 18:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: how many women and children do the occupying forces kill and maim every day? | Aug 07 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, it's easier to wag your finger than to contemplate that they probably caused a lot of their own suffering I guess | Aug 07 18:34 |
| schestowitz | We burn up all the fossil remains (sun's energy+oxygen and feel the atmosphere with gases | Aug 07 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they're no better than this spectre/straw man conjured by the photo. | Aug 07 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | that's what really pisses me off about these European hippies | Aug 07 18:34 |
| schestowitz | And not we went to help Africa do that too | Aug 07 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | and their American wannabe counterparts | Aug 07 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "Give us you oil" | Aug 07 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "Have trians" | Aug 07 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "Higher mortality" | Aug 07 18:34 |
| schestowitz | ... | Aug 07 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | sink or swim | Aug 07 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | find a job | Aug 07 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | shit, go kill a moose and roast it over a spit or something | Aug 07 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really care | Aug 07 18:35 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: look at Wikipedia for many examples of propaganda posters | Aug 07 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Those war pieces are intended to shock | Aug 07 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Portrayal of enemies | Aug 07 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, caricatures | Aug 07 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've seen a few :) this is perhaps the most vile piece of propaganda I have ever seen | Aug 07 18:36 |
| schestowitz | In this case it's like the propaganda poster with the Kong and the girl | Aug 07 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they're getting dangerously rash | Aug 07 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I think it was an anti-Nazi poster | Aug 07 18:36 |
| schestowitz | in the US | Aug 07 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Where the girl who represent liberrty is taken by the brute | Aug 07 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's the Big Lie in his most perfect form | Aug 07 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | its* | Aug 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like Muslims | Aug 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | but I also dislike Jews | Aug 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | and Christians | Aug 07 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | and Scientologists | Aug 07 18:37 |
| schestowitz | The girl with defacement is like, "I can't show you "them", but here's what they all do" | Aug 07 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I don't buy the Iran thing, either | Aug 07 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I heard that only 4 women have been executed in decades | Aug 07 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I don't know it it's true though | Aug 07 18:37 |
| schestowitz | It came from an Iranian academic | Aug 07 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | I tolerate the hell out of all of them though | Aug 07 18:37 |
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| schestowitz | They have more female students there than men, I heard | Aug 07 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | just like you have to live with a bad head cold or a stubbed toe sometimes | Aug 07 18:37 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: all cults have a negative side | Aug 07 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | nothing you can do to get rid of them, nothing you can say will make them realize that they're a bunch of morons and assholes | Aug 07 18:38 |
| schestowitz | I never trust people who follow ancient books | Aug 07 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Or sci-fi books from Hubbold [spelling] | Aug 07 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | might as well just live and minimize your dealings with them | Aug 07 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | be civil | Aug 07 18:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to Linux Outlaws ep 161 - http://linuxoutlaws.com/ - greatstuff! #linuxoutlaws | Aug 07 18:38 | |
| schestowitz | THey have brains, they can use it | Aug 07 18:38 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I think sometimes lashing out is just because you haven't lost all hope for them | Aug 07 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | you know? | Aug 07 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I say "Dammit, you're a f**** moron!" because I *do* care | Aug 07 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 07 18:39 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't help | Aug 07 18:40 |
| schestowitz | If you really care, then you'd be constructive about it | Aug 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | no, it doesn't | Aug 07 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Being offensive drives them further away | Aug 07 18:40 |
| schestowitz | BTW... | Aug 07 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Earlier today I spoke to a friend who also reached the conclusion that the new world is Asia | Aug 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, well, you can't win | Aug 07 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Taiwan and such places | Aug 07 18:40 |
| schestowitz | That's where they have all the money | Aug 07 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | having the discussion with them means you've lost | Aug 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | And little of religion | Aug 07 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | either you bite their head off and you're the bad guy | Aug 07 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | or you try not to have the argument and they bring it to you instead | Aug 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | So the religious countries of the West (esp. one) may have to work for the 'non believers' | Aug 07 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | so what do you do? | Aug 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | But they won't listen, DaemonFC | Aug 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like taliking to wood | Aug 07 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | Or knocking on it | Aug 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | It's hollow | Aug 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | And also... | Aug 07 18:41 |
| schestowitz | If you give them the turth | Aug 07 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Then they pause | Aug 07 18:42 |
| schestowitz | They know you're right | Aug 07 18:42 |
| schestowitz | But they know the textbook denials | Aug 07 18:42 |
| schestowitz | And they prepare to throw them back with a blank stare | Aug 07 18:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they can't show you 'them', because the enemy is 'us'. | Aug 07 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | I believe in FSM | Aug 07 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | and his noodley appendage | Aug 07 18:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the back cover has a picture of a wedding party with 50 corpses dead of DU rounds | Aug 07 18:42 |
| schestowitz | They know it's nonsense and they smile forcibly like idiots to defend what they must for their own sake | Aug 07 18:42 |
| schestowitz | To pretend they didn't waste their lives | Aug 07 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | life is meaningless in the long term | Aug 07 18:43 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no, sometimes Fox shows 'them' with RPGs | Aug 07 18:43 |
| schestowitz | [made in U.S.A] | Aug 07 18:43 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 07 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of it involves living to die of old age, you hope | Aug 07 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Me? No. | Aug 07 18:44 |
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| schestowitz | Life it too short, and that's good | Aug 07 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It would be better if it was still the British Empire doing it, right? | Aug 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | After a while it gets tedious | Aug 07 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | killing people and occupying land | Aug 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Imagine life for eternity | Aug 07 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | and then taxing the shit out of them | Aug 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Imagine 1000 years | Aug 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | You'd be bored to death | Aug 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Almost literally :-) | Aug 07 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | or the Romans | Aug 07 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | I know, it'll be better when it's the Chinese doing it | Aug 07 18:44 |
| schestowitz | They built your rail system | Aug 07 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Lord of the Flies | Aug 07 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's all this is | Aug 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz | You should thank them for assembling your PC too | Aug 07 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's all this will ever be | Aug 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz | Create a religion where each morning you kneel to the PCs | Aug 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz | To thank those kids who proceed ewaste and build that nice machine that connects to the Net for you | Aug 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: work hard | Aug 07 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | fuck no | Aug 07 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe one day you'll get a $1000/month job in Beijing | Aug 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Aug 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you'll be the one sweeping bodies off the floor at Foxconn | Aug 07 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | should I mop up the blood first? | Aug 07 18:47 |
| *schestowitz wonders if China eats corpses yet | Aug 07 18:47 | |
| DaemonFC | so I don't slip in it while I'm hauling the body to the soylent factory? | Aug 07 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 18:47 |
| schestowitz | h-waste | Aug 07 18:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what's interesting is yuo think this is all a joke | Aug 07 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy, It is | Aug 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz | It's not | Aug 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm not in a joke tone here | Aug 07 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that's the profound difference between you, and these 'european hippies' | Aug 07 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | we are serious about this. | Aug 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to have you face your externalities | Aug 07 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | OK, so humans kill and exploit humans | Aug 07 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | in other breaking news... | Aug 07 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | ? | Aug 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't have to be like this | Aug 07 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | You could grow vegetables | Aug 07 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | Why would I do that? | Aug 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Space doesn't care if you have an electric toothbrush | Aug 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Technology improved a great deal | Aug 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Happiness has not, not necessarily | Aug 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | I recently learned this | Aug 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Depends how it's measured | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | It it's consistent | Aug 07 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | technology reduces the need for labor, population continues to rise anyway | Aug 07 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | yes, problem! | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Semantics dependent, geography too (changes in power centres over time) | Aug 07 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | We automate more | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | It's supposed to make life easier | Aug 07 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | life without an income is certainly not easier | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | But American work 2 jobs sometimes and the jobs are mechanical | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | No room for creativity | Aug 07 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | especially when everything costs money | Aug 07 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Machinisation | Aug 07 18:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: income like currency is a human invention | Aug 07 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Food isn't | Aug 07 18:51 |
| schestowitz | You don't comprehend the founations of economy | Aug 07 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | currency is just a rationing system | Aug 07 18:51 |
| schestowitz | BTW.. | Aug 07 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Communism is practiced in the UK | Aug 07 18:52 |
| schestowitz | *US | Aug 07 18:52 |
| schestowitz | ANd currently it's controlled and exploited by few | Aug 07 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 07 18:52 |
| schestowitz | To whom same ruies don't apply | Aug 07 18:52 |
| schestowitz | It's a mixture | Aug 07 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Like in CHina | Aug 07 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | the communists would never have bailed out GM to have GM move to Mexico | Aug 07 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | our system is even more fucked | Aug 07 18:52 |
| schestowitz | Nationalising the risk, privatising gain | Aug 07 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | crony capitalism | Aug 07 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 07 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Exactly | Aug 07 18:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/06/apple_patent_plagerizes_third_party_ui/ | Aug 07 18:53 |
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| schestowitz | Paul Thurrott is still working his way to crony statsus | Aug 07 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Sucking us to the owners of the system | Aug 07 18:54 |
| schestowitz | [For example] | Aug 07 18:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/07/why-we-need-to-abolish-software-patents/ | Aug 07 18:59 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Typical example of Apple's 'inovation' http://bit.ly/av22su | Aug 07 18:59 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple iPhone app patent claim 'doesn't feel right' • The Register .::. Size~: 26.72 KB | Aug 07 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24561 | Aug 07 19:01 |
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| DaemonFC | "I don't think Canonical ever promised their LTS releases were more stable or reliable or functional than any other release. They just promised to "support" it for a longer interval than the others." | Aug 07 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, it's kind of implied that LTS is more stable | Aug 07 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | they don't add major features and they pull from Debian Testing instead of Sid | Aug 07 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | of course what they do from there means that it could be better or worse than the last release anyway | Aug 07 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | it's looking like Debian Squeeze, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, and RHEL 6 will be pretty similar to each other | Aug 07 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | in major components anyway | Aug 07 19:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why We Need To Abolish Software Patents - http://tcrn.ch/9FbRhS another voice, same compelling reasons #swpats | Aug 07 19:08 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] AKA RIM gave them the ability to monitor their encrypted traffic in Saudi Arabia http://bit.ly/dmrWu1 | Aug 07 19:09 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.maxtor.com/ ??? | Aug 07 19:20 |
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| Diablo-D3 | thats old news dude | Aug 07 19:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Global boiling fuels disasters in nuclear nations - http://bit.ly/c4wtGI luckily, it's just a spot of bad weather #climatechange | Aug 07 19:31 | |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/08/06/banshee-patent-liability-nbe/#comment-97177 | Aug 07 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | Jono again... | Aug 07 19:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] I am being stared at by four legged mammals. They know who is really the master of the house. | Aug 07 19:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Adoption Reaches Tipping Point http://ur1.ca/110xl Interesting coming from a [former?] Microsoft partner | Aug 07 19:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Open Source Adoption Reaches Tipping Point | eWEEK Europe UK .::. Size~: 34.34 KB | Aug 07 19:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 07 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Loads of headlines about it ATM | Aug 07 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft: "but we're open source, TOOOOOOOOOO!!!!" | Aug 07 20:04 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: can I ask personal questions? | Aug 07 20:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Open Source Adoption Reaches Tipping Point http://ur1.ca/110xl Interesting coming from a [former?] Microsoft partner | Aug 07 20:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @glynmoody Why We Need To Abolish Software Patents - http://tcrn.ch/9FbRhS another voice, same compelling reasons #swpats | Aug 07 20:07 | |
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| schestowitz | How long have you been an active person in world affairs and such? | Aug 07 20:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: sho | Aug 07 20:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: define active | Aug 07 20:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you mean actively interested? | Aug 07 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Actively involved | Aug 07 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Some people are well read, but it's read-only for them | Aug 07 20:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | i read a lot. in terms of political/historical reading - sya 25 years? | Aug 07 20:09 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 07 20:10 |
| schestowitz | You should keep your month shut to be a "Good" Canadian citizen | Aug 07 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Vocal=bad | Aug 07 20:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | i started early with stuff like the Gulag Archipelago | Aug 07 20:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, yes, of course. | Aug 07 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Activist=the new terror~1 | Aug 07 20:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, I know. :) | Aug 07 20:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/04/man-arrested-twitter-g20-us | Aug 07 20:11 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i dislike the risks of twitter. | Aug 07 20:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they concern me a lot | Aug 07 20:11 |
| schestowitz | If you oppose something, then you're a very very naughty person | Aug 07 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Remember Vietnam | Aug 07 20:12 |
| schestowitz | At first zero opoosition | Aug 07 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Virtually none | Aug 07 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Only when the opposition became popular it was acceptable to join it | Aug 07 20:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsdaily.com/Philosophy/Medias_response_to_the_hacker_cracker_open_letter | Aug 07 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Media's response to the hacker != cracker open letter | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 27.92 KB | Aug 07 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Hacker is the new cracker | Aug 07 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Modifying your tools=bad | Aug 07 20:13 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's why they're fighting back with lies on TIME covers and such | Aug 07 20:13 |
| schestowitz | ""Why don't you just accept what the Big Brother gives you?" | Aug 07 20:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they know wikileaks hit a soft spot | Aug 07 20:13 |
| schestowitz | "Wikileaks are terror~1" | Aug 07 20:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Aug 07 20:13 |
| schestowitz | I heard adults brainwashed by the press" | Aug 07 20:13 |
| schestowitz | "Blood in their hands etc." | Aug 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Spot the hypocrisy | Aug 07 20:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, i can't see it -- can you point it out?! | Aug 07 20:14 |
| _Goblin | Wikileaks....interesting question it poses.... | Aug 07 20:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: same obscene hypocrisy in the time cover | Aug 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Wait until they make Julian look like a anarcho-promitivist | Aug 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | *it | Aug 07 20:14 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: sucks for for the US | Aug 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Its its covert intelligence | Aug 07 20:15 |
| _Goblin | when does information become of public interest and when is its secrecy operationally required in order not to compromise an operation. | Aug 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Cause it gives advantage to the US power centres | Aug 07 20:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: yes this a talking point of the pro-war group | Aug 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it doesn't include info on how to make bombs | Aug 07 20:15 |
| _Goblin | very fine line between the two...and who decides? | Aug 07 20:15 |
| _Goblin | and who are they accountable to? | Aug 07 20:15 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK it's more of an historical record of how one side viewed things | Aug 07 20:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: humanity | Aug 07 20:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: the pro-war group is accountable to none | Aug 07 20:16 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: humanity in general or a select few? | Aug 07 20:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: well, let's start with your position | Aug 07 20:16 |
| _Goblin | lol.... | Aug 07 20:16 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 07 20:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | which 'public' | Aug 07 20:17 |
| *schestowitz thinks wikileaks material was supposed to be make public (public domain) too when it was written | Aug 07 20:17 | |
| FurnaceBoy | whose 'public interest' | Aug 07 20:17 |
| _Goblin | Don't get me wrong,I share your concerns....secrecy exists at many levels and theres much Im not privy to in my line of work. | Aug 07 20:17 |
| schestowitz | The government is paid by the people | Aug 07 20:17 |
| schestowitz | It's there to inform people what's going on | Aug 07 20:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: as far as I know, the material is not particularly secret, this has been conceded | Aug 07 20:17 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: and bought by industry | Aug 07 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Not to lie to its voter and shareholder | Aug 07 20:17 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yeah :-) | Aug 07 20:17 |
| schestowitz | That too | Aug 07 20:17 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: FACT for starters. | Aug 07 20:18 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: a civie operation with the ear of government bodies. | Aug 07 20:18 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, the intrusion into Mel GIbson's calls it worse | Aug 07 20:18 |
| schestowitz | That's just his private life | Aug 07 20:18 |
| schestowitz | The leaks are not about intimate lives | Aug 07 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It's about big stories like a mom with 6 kids being hit by a half-ton bomb | Aug 07 20:18 |
| _Goblin | money = position of power, position of power = more influence with government. | Aug 07 20:18 |
| schestowitz | And no adult male casualties | Aug 07 20:19 |
| _Goblin | thats why a CEO is more important than a single mother in a housing estate...(not my view, just my view of government) | Aug 07 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 07 20:19 |
| schestowitz | When it's a school in Finland, it's big news | Aug 07 20:19 |
| schestowitz | When dams in India burst, it's details | Aug 07 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Even if many die | Aug 07 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's not called "Kartina" or some other Western name | Aug 07 20:20 |
| schestowitz | *Katrina | Aug 07 20:20 |
| *schestowitz makes many typos be today | Aug 07 20:20 | |
| _Goblin | I get to see first hand much foul play....as an individual all I can do is the best job I can being fair and impartial....there can't be change since much of the system is rotten to the core. | Aug 07 20:20 |
| schestowitz | Some more than orhers | Aug 07 20:21 |
| schestowitz | India does badly | Aug 07 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Lots of corruption | Aug 07 20:21 |
| _Goblin | I think in that respect the UK is quite lucky. | Aug 07 20:21 |
| _Goblin | On a frontline level corruption is a very rare thing. | Aug 07 20:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | ditto here | Aug 07 20:21 |
| _Goblin | I think frontline government workers are in the same "boat" as everyone else... | Aug 07 20:23 |
| _Goblin | although they get done twice, one with living with government actions (like everyone else) and secondly having to help impliment them. | Aug 07 20:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: i sent a link to your other nick | Aug 07 20:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: by memo | Aug 07 20:28 |
| *FurnaceBoy looks for it | Aug 07 20:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Im on the PC with the lad, while we have the third episode (in a row) of Mr Tumble. Buying that DVD seemed like a good idea at the time. | Aug 07 20:28 | |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: ok... | Aug 07 20:32 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: which other nick? | Aug 07 20:33 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: twitter/facebook? | Aug 07 20:33 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: twitter/*identi.ca? | Aug 07 20:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: other nick here | Aug 07 20:33 |
| _Goblin | I havent got another one here. | Aug 07 20:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: i 'll give now | Aug 07 20:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm, ok | Aug 07 20:34 |
| _Goblin | The "goblin" nick is not mine | Aug 07 20:34 |
| _Goblin | thats why I have to use "_" | Aug 07 20:34 |
| _Goblin | what was the link? | Aug 07 20:34 |
| _Goblin | .... | Aug 07 20:40 |
| _Goblin | a watched pot never boils | Aug 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Pot? | Aug 07 20:40 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | You boil pot? | Aug 07 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Ah.. that's what the back garden it for :-p | Aug 07 20:41 |
| *schestowitz never tried pot | Aug 07 20:41 | |
| _Goblin | how do you boil veg? | Aug 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Nor potty (AFAIK) | Aug 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I do at this very moment | Aug 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | But pot pot | Aug 07 20:41 |
| _Goblin | pot pot.... | Aug 07 20:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] AP is publishing a correction to misquoted article within the hour. | Aug 07 20:41 | |
| _Goblin | gear | Aug 07 20:41 |
| _Goblin | wacky backy | Aug 07 20:41 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot | Aug 07 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Pol Pot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 196.46 KB | Aug 07 20:42 |
| _Goblin | a zoot | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | English.. funny lang | Aug 07 20:42 |
| _Goblin | skunk | Aug 07 20:42 |
| _Goblin | er... | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Same word for so many things | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Like "Free" | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Pot.. | Aug 07 20:42 |
| _Goblin | gnu/Pot | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | "whacha doin'? | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | "Just pot" | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | "Oh carry on, then lads..." | Aug 07 20:42 |
| schestowitz | "Honey, the kids are cooking vegies" | Aug 07 20:42 |
| _Goblin | I'll tell you what, this link of Furnace Boy has me interested.... | Aug 07 20:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Argh #needbeer but all they have here is #sagres. | Aug 07 20:43 | |
| _Goblin | maybe he's building up the suspense? | Aug 07 20:43 |
| _Goblin | I need something to take my mind off this Mr Tumble DVD. | Aug 07 20:44 |
| _Goblin | Im now on my 4th episode | Aug 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Not Red Dwarf? | Aug 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Now many episodes are there? | Aug 07 20:44 |
| _Goblin | we are at the sea with Mr Tumble....(and his spotty bag) | Aug 07 20:44 |
| _Goblin | and too many | Aug 07 20:44 |
| schestowitz | "We" as in the toddlers too, I take it... | Aug 07 20:45 |
| _Goblin | "wheres the chair, its somewhere here, when you see it wave or cheer" | Aug 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like WWF | Aug 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Or WCW | Aug 07 20:45 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 07 20:45 |
| _Goblin | or Redmond? | Aug 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Just one office there | Aug 07 20:45 |
| schestowitz | It has a sign on the door | Aug 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | It says... you go first........... | Aug 07 20:46 |
| _Goblin | lol.. | Aug 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "Do not feed the chimps" | Aug 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "conceal the hypePod" | Aug 07 20:46 |
| schestowitz | "don't say Google" | Aug 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I reckon you read the article | Aug 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | From the 'Microsoft press' | Aug 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | At Microsoft meetings, they confess, you can't say the G word | Aug 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Amongst other thing | Aug 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | If you're a partner visiting you must avoid talking about such subjects | Aug 07 20:47 |
| _Goblin | We have a similar rule (not in regards to Google) | Aug 07 20:47 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall the reports' headline | Aug 07 20:48 |
| _Goblin | we are not allowed to say the "quiet" word at work... | Aug 07 20:48 |
| _Goblin | otherwise it jinx's the day..... | Aug 07 20:48 |
| _Goblin | sort of a superstition we observe when the day in not busy. | Aug 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I found someone for you to put in a cell | Aug 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Someone who turned rather mad.... | Aug 07 20:48 |
| schestowitz | He keeps getting arrested | Aug 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Throw a chair at it | Aug 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | You should report him to the police :-) | Aug 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Some people have... | Aug 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | cveich | Aug 07 20:49 |
| _Goblin | Trial by Openbytes first.... | Aug 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Remember those two guys? | Aug 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | "everything is OK" | Aug 07 20:49 |
| _Goblin | lol...you know his "partner" | Aug 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | Well, one of them bailed out | Aug 07 20:49 |
| _Goblin | his old partner that is.... | Aug 07 20:49 |
| schestowitz | the other turned all Alex Jones/Davis Ike-maniac | Aug 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | *David | Aug 07 20:50 |
| _Goblin | well he lives about a mile from where I work. | Aug 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Danny Shine? | Aug 07 20:50 |
| _Goblin | and one of his vids.....I know the chap he filmed. | Aug 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I bet the metro know them well | Aug 07 20:50 |
| _Goblin | small world | Aug 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | "the ones with the cameras and megaphones" | Aug 07 20:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Nice security feature of my #freerunner wifi driver is that it won't connect to WEP networks #SHR unstable current.No problem with WPA2+AES | Aug 07 20:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] What to do about WikiLeaks? Not much can be done | AP http://yhoo.it/blQ8cR | Aug 07 20:50 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: He went to court for a Sec 5 on the Tube I beleive. | Aug 07 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: What to do about WikiLeaks? Not much can be done - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 145.43 KB | Aug 07 20:50 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I know | Aug 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | In Toronto | Aug 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | It's amusing to watch it | Aug 07 20:51 |
| _Goblin | no not him...the other chap... | Aug 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | It's like watching experiments in civic engineering the social way | Aug 07 20:51 |
| _Goblin | he was arrested central london (according to his blog) | Aug 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Charlie | Aug 07 20:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Today's RW rant: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License #wikipedia | Aug 07 20:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @wikileaks I would suggest "some proper investigative journalism, you lazy arses." | Aug 07 20:51 | |
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| _Goblin | I forget his name... | Aug 07 20:51 |
| schestowitz | davidgerard is in London | Aug 07 20:52 |
| _Goblin | Ive seen him on his bike a few times. | Aug 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | They lost their ways | Aug 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Danny didn't | Aug 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Danny was gentle | Aug 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | But sometimes they turn into nastry raving mode | Aug 07 20:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Argh not only no beer, but apparently they think I particularly like soccer putting it louder than the background music #cacophony | Aug 07 20:52 | |
| schestowitz | Like the Texan types | Aug 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | THe anti-government/taxes/etc | Aug 07 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I found some nicer YouTube channels | Aug 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | You can see which ones I'm subscribed to | Aug 07 20:53 |
| schestowitz | It's more entertaining than read-only TV | Aug 07 20:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] We have over 100,000 twitter followers now. Welcome! | Aug 07 20:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @wikileaks as demonstrated by the ridiculously lazy writing in that report. Good Lord, they really are a net negative. | Aug 07 20:53 | |
| _Goblin | this is the chap, I sort of know: http://tinyurl.com/346zu58 | Aug 07 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | Danny is cool | Aug 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | He's nice | Aug 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | He is the one who inspired the other guy | Aug 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Before he had gone into the nutty side | Aug 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | They were popular one years ago | Aug 07 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Because of some videos people told me about | Aug 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Downhill since then | Aug 07 20:55 |
| _Goblin | furnaceboy: Did you send me the link? | Aug 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | And never quite entertaining | Aug 07 20:55 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: It was you who told me about them | Aug 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 07 20:55 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: imagine my surprise when I see someone I know being interviewed by them! | Aug 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | One year ago in summer they made some videos that made my laugh | Aug 07 20:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Moved to the official table where that horrid sound can't be heard. Much, at least. | Aug 07 20:55 | |
| _Goblin | and the chap living so close. | Aug 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | In Canary Wharf too | Aug 07 20:55 |
| schestowitz | I was there in July BTW | Aug 07 20:56 |
| _Goblin | Ive never liked London! | Aug 07 20:56 |
| _Goblin | far too much concrete | Aug 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | The tourists' london? | Aug 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Or the real one? | Aug 07 20:56 |
| _Goblin | both....I see it with different eyes to most. | Aug 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Like Queen's Park, Chelsea, etc. | Aug 07 20:56 |
| schestowitz | The "BigCity(C)" | Aug 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | "Only Big people live in Big City" | Aug 07 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Let's move to Beijing! | Aug 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Or Mexico City! | Aug 07 20:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rahulsundaram: #fs dev model involves tradeoff between participation/control. Unilateral copyright assignment workarounds this unfairly. | Aug 07 20:58 | |
| _Goblin | Im very happy in Slip End.....nice little village. | Aug 07 20:58 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: see Mr. MJ's comment in | Aug 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20012926-56.html | Aug 07 20:59 |
| _Goblin | 1 shop 2 pubs and no asb | Aug 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Me Deeeeeeeeeeeee. | Aug 07 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Negroponte: You really can give a kid a laptop | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 85.24 KB | Aug 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | *Mr | Aug 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Praying to the sky | Aug 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | While Ina Ballmer Fried plays 'charity' tune | Aug 07 20:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: so GoblinRFD isn't you? | Aug 07 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Not mentioning WIndows on OLPC for a change | Aug 07 20:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | AWKWARD! | Aug 07 20:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @slashdot: CIA Software Developer Goes Open Source, Instead http://bit.ly/9aDn0J | Aug 07 20:59 | |
| schestowitz | Like it usually does | Aug 07 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot News Story | CIA Software Developer Goes Open Source, Instead .::. Size~: 48.23 KB | Aug 07 20:59 |
| _Goblin | Not anymore...it was yesterday | Aug 07 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: so if i had a link for GoblinRFD I can send to you? | Aug 07 21:00 |
| _Goblin | I changed my nick because I kept getting DM'd by people who thought I was someone else.... | Aug 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Robotron hit techirghts today | Aug 07 21:00 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin fed the perp | Aug 07 21:01 |
| schestowitz | So he came to other sites for more | Aug 07 21:01 |
| schestowitz | After months of inactivity | Aug 07 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Trolling me again | Aug 07 21:01 |
| _Goblin | he's been on my site for a while | Aug 07 21:01 |
| _Goblin | I always feed him... | Aug 07 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Oh dear.. | Aug 07 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Not he got all fat | Aug 07 21:01 |
| schestowitz | And he can troll me without feeding him | Aug 07 21:01 |
| _Goblin | you forget roy, my site is read by people who are not tech savvy too....if I leave comments unchallenged they will believe them | Aug 07 21:01 |
| schestowitz | *now | Aug 07 21:01 |
| _Goblin | people who are casual users tend to believe what they read (hence MS dominance)....IMO | Aug 07 21:02 |
| _Goblin | thats why I always challenge | Aug 07 21:03 |
| _Goblin | and stand by everything I say 100% | Aug 07 21:03 |
| _Goblin | furnaceboy: what was this link? | Aug 07 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: just about the data archiving issue | Aug 07 21:05 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: OK, but do they not do ad hominem? | Aug 07 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Also, they can put off some regular readers of yours by trolling them or drowning out the signal like in COLA | Aug 07 21:05 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Ive been talking to him on my site for the past few months...the only reason I can think he chose now to come onto yours is that he called my bluff and I provided photograph evidence for him. | Aug 07 21:06 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: infact if memory serves, he appeared at the beginning of the year and comments on most of the MS related posts. | Aug 07 21:07 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: marti links to your blog here: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/a234d4f685eb44e6# | Aug 07 21:09 |
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| schestowitz | The trolls started this thread | Aug 07 21:09 |
| schestowitz | And played "yes men" | Aug 07 21:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.devshed.com/c/a/Administration/Configure-Wine-Ubuntu-For-Running-Windows-Based-Games/ | Aug 07 21:12 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: Marti's a good man....I have alot of time for him.. | Aug 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz_log | Yeah | Aug 07 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Wrong window | Aug 07 21:16 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Im hoping he will visit the UK... | Aug 07 21:17 |
| _Goblin | Got a really good interview coming up on Openbytes... | Aug 07 21:18 |
| _Goblin | Romeo Knight... | Aug 07 21:19 |
| _Goblin | a rather big name from the A500 demo scene days. | Aug 07 21:19 |
| _Goblin | and (im hoping) an interview with a large cracking/warez crew for a chat on the subject of IP/cracking/warez and everything inbetween. | Aug 07 21:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Why would *anyone* wish to run Safari and IE 8 under GNU/Linux? http://ur1.ca/111f3 | Aug 07 21:21 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: i c..... | Aug 07 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Young gamers like me aren't into that | Aug 07 21:22 |
| _Goblin | Quote (from your link) "games will be plague..." Plague eh? if they are going to FUD you would at least think they would spell correctly. | Aug 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: played quests? | Aug 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Some people treat Linux like Windows | Aug 07 21:22 |
| schestowitz | Fair nuff | Aug 07 21:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Tech Comics: "Have You Fixed the Bug?" http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/cnews/article.php/3897176/Tech-Comics-Have-You-Fixed-the-Bug.htm | Aug 07 21:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tech Comics: "Have You Fixed the Bug?" — Datamation.com .::. Size~: 82.19 KB | Aug 07 21:22 |
| _Goblin | I think many people look at the PC as a tool....if it works they could care less whats running. | Aug 07 21:23 |
| _Goblin | *just a tool | Aug 07 21:23 |
| _Goblin | its different for some, but I think as tech interested we are in the minority.... | Aug 07 21:23 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: your buddy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV7rBT-MMhA | Aug 07 21:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Speech Control is Thought Control (1 of 2),‎ .::. Size~: 103.52 KB | Aug 07 21:24 |
| schestowitz | "Have you seen this man?" | Aug 07 21:24 |
| _Goblin | I think he lost it a while ago... | Aug 07 21:25 |
| _Goblin | saw his Canada diaries | Aug 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | It's funny how he starts yelling in the streets a load of nonsense and people treat him accordingly (the parts at the end) | Aug 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I tried to understand it | Aug 07 21:25 |
| _Goblin | there is something rather sinister in his speeches of late. (IMO) | Aug 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Basically he lies | Aug 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | he said he didn't show ID | Aug 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | That this is why they arrested him | Aug 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | but he actually pretended to be an uindercover cop | Aug 07 21:25 |
| schestowitz | That part he's keeping to himself :-) | Aug 07 21:26 |
| _Goblin | I think his problem is that he has previously been so outspoken and "risque" he has nowhere to go now and he is getting more and more bizarre in an effort to draw attention to his view. | Aug 07 21:27 |
| _Goblin | Sort of like the WWE when they are short of ideas...they go to the extreme just for the effect. | Aug 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | I miss Danny | Aug 07 21:27 |
| schestowitz | He was the one doin it right | Aug 07 21:28 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: The undertaker? | Aug 07 21:28 |
| _Goblin | I don't know if you saw but the WWE sunk to very low levels to attract attention. | Aug 07 21:28 |
| _Goblin | including (but not limited to) a storyline about necrophilia | Aug 07 21:28 |
| _Goblin | involving HHH... | Aug 07 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qIk5dVMQsU | Aug 07 21:29 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *my top 5 tallest wrestlers,‎ .::. Size~: 91.34 KB | Aug 07 21:29 |
| _Goblin | BTW Roy...that vid you linked... | Aug 07 21:29 |
| _Goblin | see the female PC that seems a little baffled by him? | Aug 07 21:30 |
| _Goblin | she's a special constable not a "real" PC. | Aug 07 21:30 |
| _Goblin | her shoulder number is 4 digits..... | Aug 07 21:30 |
| _Goblin | regular officers only have 3 | Aug 07 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 07 21:30 |
| _Goblin | sgt's have 2 | Aug 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Danny says they have same uniform... | Aug 07 21:31 |
| _Goblin | and you don't have numbers any higher than that. | Aug 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Ididn't know | Aug 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | "Costumes" | Aug 07 21:31 |
| _Goblin | Special constables have the power of a constable.....(not like PCSO's) however the specials are sort of like the TA....they do it in their spare time. | Aug 07 21:31 |
| schestowitz | They have a numbering system better than that of Linux distros | Aug 07 21:32 |
| _Goblin | lol. | Aug 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Numbers are hard to remember | Aug 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | "Agent Bond" | Aug 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | 007 | Aug 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | "Agent Linspire" | Aug 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | "Agent Puppy" | Aug 07 21:32 |
| schestowitz | ! | Aug 07 21:32 |
| _Goblin | Charlie is quite mad. | Aug 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | If you don't behave, agent DSL will COMPILE a report on you | Aug 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: he's appealing to the nasty folks now | Aug 07 21:33 |
| schestowitz | That's why Danny left | Aug 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Basically, the whole "freemasonic illuminati WNO shill" crowd | Aug 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | *NWO | Aug 07 21:34 |
| _Goblin | Ive no problem with exposing truths and asking for justification...but his claims are outlandish at best... | Aug 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | He shoots his own foot | Aug 07 21:34 |
| schestowitz | That's why I stopped watching it long ago | Aug 07 21:35 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: theres only one place his conspiracy theory has yet to take him...(and mark my words it will)......Aliens. | Aug 07 21:35 |
| schestowitz | But once in a few weeks I get curious and can't help checking if he's in jail/court | Aug 07 21:35 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: the Telegraph has just fueled them | Aug 07 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Unsealed docs from Chruchill | Aug 07 21:35 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Did you read it this week? | Aug 07 21:36 |
| _Goblin | yeah I did. | Aug 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Cause be sure, I though... oh boy... , why do they publish this? | Aug 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Now they'll have "proof" of a "coverup" | Aug 07 21:36 |
| _Goblin | my grandfather was an engineer during WW2 on the experimental craft.....there are no aliens. | Aug 07 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Skeptoid has some episodes debunking these UK incidents | Aug 07 21:37 |
| _Goblin | what he did always say though was that military tech is always 10 years ahead of what people think it is. | Aug 07 21:37 |
| _Goblin | like the Stealth Bomber was responsible for so many ufo sightings. | Aug 07 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe this one: http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4079 | Aug 07 21:37 |
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| schestowitz | Can't recall which episode it was | Aug 07 21:37 |
| _Goblin | Mind you....it would explain Ballmer...his behaviour is certianly like no human I have seen before. | Aug 07 21:38 |
| schestowitz | I saw an alien once.... my brother's dog!! | Aug 07 21:38 |
| schestowitz | He does look alien | Aug 07 21:38 |
| schestowitz | They call him that | Aug 07 21:38 |
| _Goblin | I always thought Cliff Richard looked a little Alienesque | Aug 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I reckon Ballmer-- being a marketer-- believes a lot of quacks | Aug 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spock | Aug 07 21:39 |
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| _Goblin | btw one piece of advice I can give you, which you should listen to: | Aug 07 21:39 |
| schestowitz | "I saw an alien... I know cause he looked like us and has point ears" :-) | Aug 07 21:40 |
| schestowitz | *pointy | Aug 07 21:40 |
| _Goblin | Never diss cliff Richard....I recieved 2 months of hate email because of a tongue in cheek remark about him....Cliff Richard fans are quite mad. | Aug 07 21:40 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Richard | Aug 07 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Cliff Richard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 143.96 KB | Aug 07 21:40 |
| _Goblin | and aggressive | Aug 07 21:40 |
| schestowitz | He's 70 | Aug 07 21:40 |
| _Goblin | all I said was that his callender was so cheesy I had to buy it for a joke. | Aug 07 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he has aggressive PR managers | Aug 07 21:41 |
| _Goblin | my wife can't stand cliff so I bought her the 2010 callender as a xmas present. | Aug 07 21:41 |
| schestowitz | I call them "reputation bullies" | Aug 07 21:42 |
| schestowitz | They either defend someone's reputation for a wage | Aug 07 21:42 |
| schestowitz | Or the aggressive ones... those are the ones who defame those who are critic of the paymaster | Aug 07 21:42 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: If these people were PR managers then MS should employ them...I will never tweet about Cliff again. | Aug 07 21:42 |
| schestowitz | We have those on techirghts showing up habitually | Aug 07 21:42 |
| _Goblin | looking at part2 of the vid | Aug 07 21:43 |
| _Goblin | charlie says people get their information from the news...where does he get his then? | Aug 07 21:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Does Cliff Richard have "reputation bullies" or just hardcore fans? Curious minds want to know. | Aug 07 21:44 | |
| _Goblin | lol, you've done it now! | Aug 07 21:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How #Android is turning the smartphone into a commodity and why that’s desirable http://ur1.ca/111jl scarcity is hardware | Aug 07 21:45 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How Android is turning the smartphone into a commodity and why thats desirable | The Educated New Village Boy .::. Size~: 37.93 KB | Aug 07 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I want to see if something happens from that dent | Aug 07 21:46 |
| _Goblin | I think you have to knock his callender | Aug 07 21:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] @schestowitz Not mine! I think Cliff Richard is the greatest man on the planet! ;) | Aug 07 21:46 | |
| _Goblin | Maybe I'll delete my tweet...see what happens. | Aug 07 21:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/News/Red-Hat-the-Top-Company-to-Contribute-to-the-GNOME-Project | Aug 07 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Red Hat the Top Company to Contribute to the GNOME Project - Linux Magazine Online .::. Size~: 30.3 KB | Aug 07 21:47 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @_goblin But I'm not sure Cliff Richard is from this planet! Maybe he's an artful alien ;) | Aug 07 21:48 | |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Jack: http://twitter.com/jackschofield | Aug 07 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Jack Schofield (jackschofield) on Twitter .::. Size~: 50.75 KB | Aug 07 21:48 |
| _Goblin | BREAKING NEWS: TechRIGHTS brought down by the Cliff Richard Hardcore - Roy Schestowitz said "Ive come to the realization Cliff Richard is the most powerful man on the planet" | Aug 07 21:49 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Aug 07 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Let's see if someone responds | Aug 07 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Maybe someone among my followers is his fan | Aug 07 21:49 |
| _Goblin | they are everywhere | Aug 07 21:49 |
| schestowitz | He got an OBE | Aug 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | So did my older boss | Aug 07 21:50 |
| _Goblin | theres a conspiracy....who's the cliff richard fan...it could be anyone.. | Aug 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | They come from other planets | Aug 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | They dent by telepathy | Aug 07 21:50 |
| _Goblin | that it is acert | Aug 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | The other day a friend of mine told me he thought telepathy might one day be realised | Aug 07 21:50 |
| _Goblin | or subliminal messages in Mistle Toe and Wine song.. | Aug 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | I think he taps bad sources | Aug 07 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Smart people can believe the darnest thing | Aug 07 21:50 |
| _Goblin | Mind you....I did like this: | Aug 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | he also told me about microwaves being banned in Sweden | Aug 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | That's a common myth for anti-microwave folks | Aug 07 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Variation with Russia | Aug 07 21:51 |
| _Goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOU0o9K89g | Aug 07 21:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Cliff Richard & The Young Ones - Living Doll - (Full!),‎ .::. Size~: 111.58 KB | Aug 07 21:51 |
| *schestowitz listens | Aug 07 21:51 | |
| schestowitz | OMG I feel like class outcast | Aug 07 21:52 |
| *yuhong (~chatzilla@pool-96-253-143-208.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Aug 07 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | people listened to this? | Aug 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Only yuhong would!! | Aug 07 21:53 |
| yuhong | Finally booted back into Linux, after a long time in Windows. | Aug 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: run uname -a | Aug 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | paste the output here | Aug 07 21:53 |
| yuhong | Linux bob-pc 2.6.32-22-generic-pae #33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 14:57:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux | Aug 07 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Show us yo' kerNAL!! | Aug 07 21:53 |
| yuhong | I never thought it was a bad OS. | Aug 07 21:53 |
| yuhong | In fact I think it is a good OS. | Aug 07 21:54 |
| yuhong | See what I mean by being neutral? | Aug 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Can you run all your tasks on it? | Aug 07 21:54 |
| _Goblin | lo9l | Aug 07 21:54 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 21:54 |
| _Goblin | well I don't know about anyone else....Im convinced. | Aug 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | "I like Linux but" | Aug 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | "I tried Linux but" =more credibility | Aug 07 21:54 |
| _Goblin | the "buts" later | Aug 07 21:54 |
| schestowitz | "I used Linux for a while but" =more credibility | Aug 07 21:54 |
| _Goblin | or even better "I write Linux apps but" | Aug 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "I use Linux at work but" =more credibility | Aug 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "I grew up on Linux for a while but" =more credibility | Aug 07 21:55 |
| yuhong | I never criticised Linux that much. | Aug 07 21:55 |
| _Goblin | "My mother is a Linux distro but...." | Aug 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | "I am Linus' dad, but" =more credibility | Aug 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Linus' parents use Windows | Aug 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not anymore | Aug 07 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Since the WSJ report ~2007 | Aug 07 21:55 |
| _Goblin | Linus' parents use windows but...? | Aug 07 21:55 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Aug 07 21:56 |
| yuhong | Funny, huh, it does led to more credibility | Aug 07 21:56 |
| yuhong | Linux is not perfect, but is a good OS. | Aug 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | See? | Aug 07 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: ... | Aug 07 21:56 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 07 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: nice to see you again | Aug 07 21:56 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 21:56 |
| _Goblin | yuhong: and windows is perfect? | Aug 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | "Your but is not fat, it's just big and round" | Aug 07 21:57 |
| yuhong | No, not either, I did admit some flaws too. | Aug 07 21:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: oh, that's good. | Aug 07 21:57 |
| yuhong | No, not either, I did admit some flaws. | Aug 07 21:57 |
| _Goblin | so then Windows and Linux are on a par? | Aug 07 21:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: you realise that the worst problems with windows ARE NOT TECHNICAL? | Aug 07 21:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: subtle , but important point. | Aug 07 21:57 |
| _Goblin | come on yuhong don't beat around the bush..... | Aug 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Some people confuse that with Microsoft | Aug 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Like the Linux Foundation | Aug 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | "Respect Microsoft" | Aug 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Not "repsect Windows" | Aug 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | 200607 | Aug 07 21:57 |
| schestowitz | *2006-7 | Aug 07 21:58 |
| _Goblin | "Its a shame Michael Jackson didn't live to see Windows 7 " - Andre Da Costa 2010 on Twitter. | Aug 07 21:58 |
| yuhong | Yea, I never read or believed Andre Da Costa. | Aug 07 21:59 |
| _Goblin | really? | Aug 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8aifay678 | Aug 07 21:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 23),‎ .::. Size~: 99.85 KB | Aug 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Watch it | Aug 07 21:59 |
| _Goblin | you don't think its a shame? | Aug 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Watch how it starts | Aug 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | "the first stage is expressing absolute support" | Aug 07 21:59 |
| schestowitz | "It is necessary to get behind someone before you stab them in the back" | Aug 07 21:59 |
| _Goblin | You don't think the Jackson family are devasted that their son never lived to have a go on Windows 7? | Aug 07 21:59 |
| _Goblin | Andre is an MVP you know. | Aug 07 21:59 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know. | Aug 07 22:00 |
| _Goblin | that makes him "better" than you. | Aug 07 22:00 |
| _Goblin | apparently | Aug 07 22:00 |
| _Goblin | he's "Most Valuable" | Aug 07 22:00 |
| yuhong | I know. | Aug 07 22:00 |
| yuhong | Anyway, I will describe XSAVE now. | Aug 07 22:00 |
| _Goblin | must you? | Aug 07 22:00 |
| yuhong | Remember the Pentium III and SSE, when they introduced XMM registers? | Aug 07 22:01 |
| yuhong | They introduced FXSAVE to save these registers on context switches. | Aug 07 22:01 |
| yuhong | MS added support to 98 and 2000. | Aug 07 22:01 |
| _Goblin | wheres this going? | Aug 07 22:01 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: MJ didn't see to live Ubuntu | Aug 07 22:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @fontana @bkuhn agreed, idea that @rms is extremist is a myth; historical record one of pragmatism | Aug 07 22:01 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: or the HTC desire | Aug 07 22:02 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin yuhong FurnaceBoy seen the video? | Aug 07 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Took me a while to find it to make the point about "I like Linux, but.." | Aug 07 22:02 |
| _Goblin | looking now. | Aug 07 22:02 |
| yuhong | Now AVX is coming which will extend them to 256-bit and call them YMM registers. | Aug 07 22:02 |
| yuhong | Creating another new state the OS must save. | Aug 07 22:03 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: "YOu need to get behind someone before you stab them in the back" - How true | Aug 07 22:03 |
| _Goblin | "I like Linux but" | Aug 07 22:03 |
| yuhong | XSAVE introduce a bitfield of the state the OS can choose to save. | Aug 07 22:04 |
| schestowitz | "Darwin was a brilliant man...... but" | Aug 07 22:04 |
| yuhong | Currently bit 0 saves the state saved by FXSAVE, bit 1 saves the new YMM state. | Aug 07 22:04 |
| _Goblin | yuhong: are you ok? | Aug 07 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe classes | Aug 07 22:05 |
| yuhong | It also introduces the XCR0 registers, which contain a bitfield of state the OS promises to save. | Aug 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: MMX? | Aug 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Or XMM? | Aug 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | What's XMM? | Aug 07 22:05 |
| _Goblin | yuhong: or are you partially existing in some wierd paralell universe where people are engaging in your conversation? | Aug 07 22:05 |
| yuhong | The name of the SSE registers. | Aug 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | And how is MMX relevant? It's ancient stuff | Aug 07 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Besides, Intel is a criminal company | Aug 07 22:06 |
| yuhong | MMX is not relevant. | Aug 07 22:06 |
| _Goblin | He's cutting and pasting from tech manuals to sound knowledgable | Aug 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | I buy nothing from Intel | Aug 07 22:06 |
| yuhong | I am talking about SSE. | Aug 07 22:06 |
| _Goblin | want to talk 68k yuhong? | Aug 07 22:06 |
| yuhong | No. | Aug 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: karma++ | Aug 07 22:06 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 22:06 |
| yuhong | AMD will also implement AVX too. | Aug 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | MMX+Ubuntu | Aug 07 22:06 |
| yuhong | I am not cutting ans pasting. | Aug 07 22:06 |
| schestowitz | yuhong FTW! | Aug 07 22:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] partay! | Aug 07 22:06 | |
| yuhong | Based on the value of the XCR0 registers, the CPU will enable processor features. | Aug 07 22:07 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra enjoy | Aug 07 22:07 | |
| _Goblin | My name is Dr Hilgarth Lambstrong and I am quite, quite mad. | Aug 07 22:07 |
| yuhong | This registers can be accessed by using XSETBV and XGETBV instruction. | Aug 07 22:08 |
| _Goblin | Roy, that vid you linked is very interesting. | Aug 07 22:08 |
| _Goblin | Its a goodie | Aug 07 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It's part of a long series | Aug 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | From thunderf00t, he's excellent... a Brit in the US | Aug 07 22:09 |
| yuhong | For example, for the processor to access AVX instructions, bit 1 of that registers must be set to 1. | Aug 07 22:09 |
| _Goblin | I saw an interesting theory about metorites seeding the universe.... | Aug 07 22:09 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: are you looking for work in a semi-conductors giant? | Aug 07 22:10 |
| yuhong | No. | Aug 07 22:10 |
| _Goblin | he is ....but..... | Aug 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: chip making is bit in Asia | Aug 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | The US is losing it | Aug 07 22:10 |
| yuhong | Anyway back on topic. | Aug 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Windows? | Aug 07 22:10 |
| _Goblin | two bites meet in a bar, one byte says to the other..."you look a little unwell" to which he replies "Yeah, Im a bit off" | Aug 07 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Like you did the last time? | Aug 07 22:11 |
| _Goblin | boom boom. | Aug 07 22:11 |
| _Goblin | *bytes | Aug 07 22:11 |
| yuhong | Currently on WIndows 7 SP0, it uses XSAVE but XCR0 only bit 0 is set. | Aug 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | OpenByes edition | Aug 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | EnterpriseBytes is Open Core | Aug 07 22:11 |
| schestowitz | I.e. fake | Aug 07 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: ... | Aug 07 22:11 |
| _Goblin | what website is most viewed by sheep? | Aug 07 22:11 |
| yuhong | SP1 will set bit 1, allowing use of AVX instructions. | Aug 07 22:11 |
| _Goblin | ewetube | Aug 07 22:11 |
| yuhong | I know. | Aug 07 22:11 |
| yuhong | I am just an x86 expert. | Aug 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz | ^_^ | Aug 07 22:12 |
| yuhong | And yes most of this comes from Intel's docs. | Aug 07 22:12 |
| _Goblin | oh really. | Aug 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: you're humble, too | Aug 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz | We love you! | Aug 07 22:12 |
| _Goblin | could you help me with a asm rasterbar routine then? | Aug 07 22:12 |
| yuhong | http://software.intel.com/en-us/avx/ | Aug 07 22:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Intel® AVX - Intel® Software Network .::. Size~: 41.34 KB | Aug 07 22:12 |
| yuhong | I know a lot on x86. | Aug 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz | What's this "R" thing? | Aug 07 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Does it mean "Rah rah"? | Aug 07 22:12 |
| _Goblin | yuhong: could you help me with a asm rasterbar routine then? | Aug 07 22:12 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 22:13 |
| _Goblin | Im sure... | Aug 07 22:13 |
| yuhong | Likely I can. | Aug 07 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: do you participate on c.l.a.x86 | Aug 07 22:13 |
| yuhong | Sometimes I read it. | Aug 07 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: do you do hugi comp? | Aug 07 22:13 |
| _Goblin | any examples of work? | Aug 07 22:13 |
| yuhong | What is it. | Aug 07 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 07 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: can you point us to some of your code? | Aug 07 22:13 |
| yuhong | hugi? | Aug 07 22:13 |
| *schestowitz needs to fix TechrightsBot to sanitise bad symbols like ® | Aug 07 22:14 | |
| yuhong | No, most of it is stored on my own computer. | Aug 07 22:14 |
| yuhong | But I play with inline asm a lot. | Aug 07 22:14 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http//microsoft.com | Aug 07 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: is it good enough to publish? | Aug 07 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: hhow about GPL? | Aug 07 22:14 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Aug 07 22:14 |
| yuhong | Hasn't bothered. | Aug 07 22:14 |
| yuhong | Most are short, BTW. | Aug 07 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: want to read some of my assembler? | Aug 07 22:14 |
| yuhong | Not really. | Aug 07 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: short is good | Aug 07 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Seriously though, yuhong, how's your MSN Spaces blog coming along? | Aug 07 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what problems do you solve? | Aug 07 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: in assembler | Aug 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | You haven't ben posting updates in a while | Aug 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | *been | Aug 07 22:15 |
| yuhong | I have moved it to blogspot. | Aug 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Ah, good | Aug 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Aug 07 22:15 | |
| schestowitz | They work with the CIA now | Aug 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Made more official about 8 days ago | Aug 07 22:15 |
| yuhong | http://yuhongbao.blogspot.com | Aug 07 22:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Yuhong Bao's blog .::. Size~: 54.83 KB | Aug 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: do you trust Google? | Aug 07 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: does this have your assembler work? | Aug 07 22:15 |
| schestowitz | I mean, with your data and all.. | Aug 07 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: do you ever branch out to other instruction sets? | Aug 07 22:15 |
| yuhong | No. | Aug 07 22:15 |
| yuhong | I do trust Google. | Aug 07 22:16 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: good links there http://yuhongbao.blogspot.com/2010/07/artificial-scarcity-bibliography.html | Aug 07 22:16 |
| yuhong | I sometimes read 68k, but not really that familiar. | Aug 07 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Yuhong Bao's blog: Artificial Scarcity - Bibliography .::. Size~: 37.64 KB | Aug 07 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: how do you feel about human-written risc code? | Aug 07 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: how do you feel about VLIW architectures? | Aug 07 22:16 |
| schestowitz | You must be preparing some essay | Aug 07 22:16 |
| yuhong | Not sure, I am not familiar with RISC. | Aug 07 22:16 |
| *schestowitz studies RISC | Aug 07 22:16 | |
| yuhong | It is not an essay, it is a series of blog articles. | Aug 07 22:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: you never studied MIPS in a computer architecture course? Patterson and Hennessy? | Aug 07 22:16 |
| yuhong | Not yet. | Aug 07 22:16 |
| _Goblin | and I work with RISK as a daily event. | Aug 07 22:16 |
| *schestowitz knows the guy who started some of it, Sir Stephen Furber | Aug 07 22:17 | |
| FurnaceBoy | that's a good book, yuhong . Computer Architecture, a Quantitative Approach | Aug 07 22:17 |
| yuhong | x86 is what I am most familiar. | Aug 07 22:17 |
| _Goblin | with | Aug 07 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what do you solve in x86 assembler? | Aug 07 22:17 |
| yuhong | A lot. | Aug 07 22:17 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | such as? | Aug 07 22:17 |
| _Goblin | great answer | Aug 07 22:17 |
| yuhong | I play often with CPUID instruction. | Aug 07 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh. | Aug 07 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | is that useful? | Aug 07 22:17 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I have a debugger for you | Aug 07 22:17 |
| yuhong | CPUID is very useful. | Aug 07 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | it sounds a bit like masturbation | Aug 07 22:17 |
| squarepeg | schestowitz: RISC processors? | Aug 07 22:17 |
| yuhong | I often read assembly. | Aug 07 22:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what can you do with CPUID? | Aug 07 22:17 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Projects/kmdupdate.html | Aug 07 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what challenges interest you? | Aug 07 22:18 |
| yuhong | A lot, get information on features, vendor ID. | Aug 07 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what is that good for? | Aug 07 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: people don't run programs to find out who made their cpu | Aug 07 22:18 |
| schestowitz | I was paid to write GPLed code | Aug 07 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: they already know, it's written on it. | Aug 07 22:18 |
| yuhong | No. | Aug 07 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Aug 07 22:18 |
| yuhong | They use it often to get what features their CPU have. | Aug 07 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: can you make money with these CPUID programs? | Aug 07 22:18 |
| _Goblin | wasn't the clue in the name? | Aug 07 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: JMP off a cliff! ;-) | Aug 07 22:19 |
| _Goblin | lol. | Aug 07 22:19 |
| yuhong | I don't plan to. | Aug 07 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: so it's just a hobby. writing CPUID and running it. | Aug 07 22:19 |
| yuhong | I am also very familar with C and program with it most of the time. | Aug 07 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: oh. | Aug 07 22:19 |
| yuhong | Yes, it is a hobby. | Aug 07 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what problems do you solve in C? | Aug 07 22:19 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: Im going to POP an AX in your bottom. | Aug 07 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: HALT this nonsense. | Aug 07 22:19 |
| _Goblin | NOP | Aug 07 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: don't PUSH me | Aug 07 22:20 |
| _Goblin | Damn.....wait a second,..... | Aug 07 22:20 |
| yuhong | A lot of problems, it is what I program with most of the time. | Aug 07 22:20 |
| _Goblin | presures on.... | Aug 07 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | haahhahaha | Aug 07 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: SUCH AS???? | Aug 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Most of the work was done by Brej though. http://brej.org/blog/ | Aug 07 22:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Not a Number .::. Size~: 58.54 KB | Aug 07 22:20 |
| _Goblin | ok FurnaceBoy you won that one! | Aug 07 22:20 |
| yuhong | I read x86 assembly a lot. | Aug 07 22:20 |
| yuhong | I do reverse-engineering. | Aug 07 22:20 |
| schestowitz | I read Braille | Aug 07 22:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what programs in C do you write? what did the last one do? asm { CPUID } ? | Aug 07 22:21 |
| _Goblin | Ive read alot of Harry Potter but I can't teleport myself yet. | Aug 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I read your mom's neurons! | Aug 07 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I snooped your mom's cache lines | Aug 07 22:21 |
| yuhong | Calling APIs. | Aug 07 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: which APIs? | Aug 07 22:21 |
| _Goblin | with CURL? | Aug 07 22:21 |
| yuhong | Experimenting with Win32 APIs using Windows. | Aug 07 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: wow | Aug 07 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: this should be very useful when windows takes over the world. | Aug 07 22:21 |
| yuhong | Yes, I am very familiar with Win32. | Aug 07 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: very far sighted. | Aug 07 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: how you doin' with Win64? | Aug 07 22:21 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: when you boot into Windows I'll grab your browser history! | Aug 07 22:21 |
| yuhong | Don't have a 64-bit version of Windows, only 32-bit. | Aug 07 22:22 |
| *schestowitz needs MOAR da-ta!! | Aug 07 22:22 | |
| yuhong | And I trust and love Google. | Aug 07 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: Damn! | Aug 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz | You love a brand? | Aug 07 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow | Aug 07 22:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's a cultural thing | Aug 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: I'll find your 'stash | Aug 07 22:22 |
| schestowitz | find | grep gle.jpg | Aug 07 22:23 |
| yuhong | I know some Unix APIs too, but hasn't paid attention to things like GTK and Qt yet. | Aug 07 22:23 |
| yuhong | I learned a lot about Carbon, but don't have a Mac so... | Aug 07 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: get a Mac ASAP. | Aug 07 22:23 |
| yuhong | I won't. | Aug 07 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: sell your sister's nubile form | Aug 07 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Noooooooooooo!!!!!1 :-( | Aug 07 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: well, that's definite. | Aug 07 22:23 |
| yuhong | I am not likely to buy a Mac. | Aug 07 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: have you used BSD or Solaris? | Aug 07 22:23 |
| yuhong | No, not really. | Aug 07 22:24 |
| yuhong | I play mostly with Linux. | Aug 07 22:24 |
| squarepeg | What do you want? Information. You won't get it. By hook or by crook, we will... | Aug 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz | "Play:" | Aug 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz | key word is "Play" | Aug 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz | It's "just a toy" | Aug 07 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: have you used Java, Perl, PHP, Python, bash, awk, POP-11, Prolog, Lisp, or SMalltalk-80? | Aug 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I play Windows backwards | Aug 07 22:24 |
| yuhong | Not really. | Aug 07 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Then I heard Ballmer speeches | Aug 07 22:24 |
| yuhong | I focus on C. | Aug 07 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah. good. | Aug 07 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | very forward looking. | Aug 07 22:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | C is becoming very relevant. | Aug 07 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | it could be the language of the future! | Aug 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Linux is the future | Aug 07 22:25 |
| yuhong | C is still very relevant | Aug 07 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: when you say C, do you mean C, or C++? | Aug 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz | Android uses some Java too, though | Aug 07 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: tell me more | Aug 07 22:25 |
| yuhong | Mostly good old C. | Aug 07 22:25 |
| schestowitz | C shar *spit* | Aug 07 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: yes, in fact, C is growing! it's ideal for today's challenges. FAST! FAST! FAST AS YOUR MOM! | Aug 07 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: today we need to squeeze EVERY CYCLE out of hte damn things. | Aug 07 22:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: EVERY CYCLE out of EVERY CORE. C is perfect for this. | Aug 07 22:25 |
| yuhong | I am not that familiar with C++'s additional features, and hasn't played with it much. | Aug 07 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: ergo, it's the only important lagnuage. | Aug 07 22:26 |
| yuhong | I never claimed that. | Aug 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: not reusable | Aug 07 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: ORLY! | Aug 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz | No encapsulation | Aug 07 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I want to see your credentials. | Aug 07 22:26 |
| yuhong | I know. | Aug 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Yeah RLY! | Aug 07 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: how can C be .. somehow less than perfect/?????? | Aug 07 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Visual C++ FTW. | Aug 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz | You sound like Torvalds now | Aug 07 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: how do you feel about CLR? | Aug 07 22:26 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: for Windows only? | Aug 07 22:27 |
| yuhong | I hasn't played much with it beyond VB.NET. | Aug 07 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: do you prefer static or dynamically typed languages? | Aug 07 22:27 |
| schestowitz | You program for a skateboard | Aug 07 22:27 |
| schestowitz | In an age of cars | Aug 07 22:27 |
| yuhong | And C++/CLI, and don't play with it much anymore. | Aug 07 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: have you played with ML, Haskell, Ocaml or Erlang? F#? | Aug 07 22:27 |
| yuhong | No. | Aug 07 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: do you like using exceptions? | Aug 07 22:27 |
| yuhong | Not yet. | Aug 07 22:27 |
| schestowitz | F#??? | Aug 07 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: :) | Aug 07 22:27 |
| yuhong | I am Ok with exceptions. | Aug 07 22:27 |
| schestowitz | F* F# | Aug 07 22:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: in which languages have you used exceptions? | Aug 07 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: +1 | Aug 07 22:28 |
| schestowitz | F* F* F* F* F* F* F* F* ... oops, sorry. Got distracted | Aug 07 22:28 |
| yuhong | C/C++, Windows SEH and C++ exceptions I know. | Aug 07 22:28 |
| yuhong | C/C++, Windows SEH and C++ exceptions I know how to use. | Aug 07 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: fun(Is) -> {Not,Using} = anything(Microsoft). | Aug 07 22:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: do you write NMAKE makefiles? | Aug 07 22:29 |
| yuhong | No, I don't write makefiles. | Aug 07 22:29 |
| schestowitz | You can autogenerate them | Aug 07 22:29 |
| schestowitz | As I do | Aug 07 22:29 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: do you write code in your area of qualification any more? | Aug 07 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Unless you hack on existing ones | Aug 07 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what do you think about DSLs like make? | Aug 07 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: should we have more, or fewer of these? | Aug 07 22:29 |
| schestowitz | I move into teaching more | Aug 07 22:29 |
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| FurnaceBoy | wow. | Aug 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Programming takes place where labour is cheap | Aug 07 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | cpu overheated | Aug 07 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | /cpuid yuhong | Aug 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Scarcities is where you need to aim | Aug 07 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: hm... food for thought while i go out | Aug 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: he vanishes like this a lot | Aug 07 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: later | Aug 07 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: overload | Aug 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | It's normal for him... he'll be back | Aug 07 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | ya | Aug 07 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes the coders are imported | Aug 07 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | Ojn visas | Aug 07 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Thank your overloads Gates&Abramoff | Aug 07 22:31 |
| yuhong | One last thing, I was once going to reverse engineer something, unless I realized someone already did. | Aug 07 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Gates uses Canada as extortion card in US congress | Aug 07 22:31 |
| yuhong | It was 16-bit decompression code at the beginning of Vista's bootmgr. | Aug 07 22:31 |
| schestowitz | He brings workers from China to Vancouver and then pressure the govt. to raise vias #s | Aug 07 22:31 |
| schestowitz | For US labour | Aug 07 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Gates&Abramoff | Aug 07 22:32 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2008/12/22/microsoft-gates-abramoff-connection/ | Aug 07 22:32 |
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| yuhong | The most painful was that 32-bit operations were simulated using 16-bit code. | Aug 07 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I have a lot more posts about this paid | Aug 07 22:32 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://techrights.org/2009/03/05/abramoff-visas-ms-defense/ | Aug 07 22:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rejon: Open letter to the media about the misuse of the term "hacker" http://ping.fm/6a6x5 | Aug 07 22:32 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Open letter to the media about the misuse of the term "hacker" | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 29.09 KB | Aug 07 22:32 |
| yuhong | Besides no symbols. | Aug 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Abramoff is out of jail now | Aug 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | He works in a Pizzeria | Aug 07 22:33 |
| yuhong | I had to figure out and label helper routines for 32-bit multiply, divide, and shift operations. | Aug 07 22:33 |
| yuhong | I managed to figure out one routine and convert it to C. | Aug 07 22:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnetasia.com/latest-linux-kernel-debuts-with-google-technology-62201837.htm | Aug 07 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | yuhong: do you like c? | Aug 07 22:34 |
| schestowitz | what editor do you use? | Aug 07 22:34 |
| yuhong | I was going to do more when I began Googling and eventually found out someone already did it. | Aug 07 22:34 |
| yuhong | I like C. | Aug 07 22:34 |
| yuhong | On Windows the VC built-in editor, on Linux I use gedit. | Aug 07 22:34 |
| yuhong | And yes I know MS's attempt to be a "friend" of open source. | Aug 07 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Aug 07 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | your attempt to be a "friend" of MS | Aug 07 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | is what? | Aug 07 22:35 |
| yuhong | Basically tying them to their proprietary software. | Aug 07 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | honest? or a trojan attack! | Aug 07 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | ATTACK! | Aug 07 22:35 |
| yuhong | I am not trying to be a friend of MS. | Aug 07 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh. | Aug 07 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | but you use windows. | Aug 07 22:36 |
| yuhong | I did admit the problem. | Aug 07 22:36 |
| schestowitz | You are, yuhong | Aug 07 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | which problem? | Aug 07 22:36 |
| yuhong | I did admit problems with Windows. | Aug 07 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what kind of problems? | Aug 07 22:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what's the #1 problem? | Aug 07 22:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2008/11/09/munchkins-suspicion/ | Aug 07 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: What is This& Munchkins Again? | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.57 KB | Aug 07 22:36 |
| yuhong | I admit Windows if not open source. | Aug 07 22:36 |
| schestowitz | About yuhong | Aug 07 22:36 |
| yuhong | I admit Windows is not open source. | Aug 07 22:36 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 22:36 |
| _Goblin | I admit I am a man | Aug 07 22:36 |
| yuhong | I admit Windows registry can be painful. | Aug 07 22:36 |
| _Goblin | thats big of you | Aug 07 22:36 |
| yuhong | I personally experienced it. | Aug 07 22:37 |
| _Goblin | old news | Aug 07 22:37 |
| _Goblin | everyone whinges about reg | Aug 07 22:37 |
| yuhong | I know. | Aug 07 22:37 |
| _Goblin | so its hardly a groundbreaking admition is it? | Aug 07 22:37 |
| yuhong | I use both Windows and Linux. | Aug 07 22:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @timoreilly: Why We Need To Abolish Software Patents by @vwadhwa http://tcrn.ch/cmwB7v | Aug 07 22:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @rejon: RMS Speech on The Danger of Software Patents - Beijing, China - August 04, 2010 http://ping.fm/pZ742 | Aug 07 22:37 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why We Need To Abolish Software Patents .::. Size~: 107.28 KB | Aug 07 22:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: RMS Speech on The Danger of Software Patents - Beijing, China - August 04, 2010 | fsdaily.com - Free Software News .::. Size~: 28.55 KB | Aug 07 22:37 |
| _Goblin | yeah... | Aug 07 22:37 |
| _Goblin | so whats better about Linux? | Aug 07 22:38 |
| _Goblin | since you use both. | Aug 07 22:38 |
| *schestowitz subscribed to yuhong's blog | Aug 07 22:38 | |
| yuhong | It is open source. | Aug 07 22:38 |
| _Goblin | and thats it? | Aug 07 22:38 |
| yuhong | No. | Aug 07 22:38 |
| _Goblin | ok..continue | Aug 07 22:38 |
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| schestowitz | [22:37] <yuhong> I use both Windows and Linux. | Aug 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | You use Windows | Aug 07 22:39 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | You dabble in Linux | Aug 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Then you bash Linux | Aug 07 22:39 |
| _Goblin | Im still waiting yuhong, what else is better. | Aug 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Or create Windows buzz | Aug 07 22:39 |
| yuhong | I don't bash Linux. | Aug 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | You spent a lot of time here in IRC praising Vista | Aug 07 22:39 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Since 2008 | Aug 07 22:39 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 22:39 |
| _Goblin | Vista? | Aug 07 22:39 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | All along | Aug 07 22:39 |
| yuhong | But I didn't bash Linux. | Aug 07 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I would not go that far | Aug 07 22:40 |
| _Goblin | yuhong: what else is better about Linux...I am still waiting. | Aug 07 22:40 |
| schestowitz | "it's free" | Aug 07 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [like a puppy] | Aug 07 22:40 |
| _Goblin | he said that. | Aug 07 22:40 |
| _Goblin | and also said it wasn't the only thing | Aug 07 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Did he? | Aug 07 22:40 |
| *schestowitz scrolls up | Aug 07 22:40 | |
| _Goblin | so Im waiting for what else. | Aug 07 22:40 |
| _Goblin | Come on yuhong: | Aug 07 22:40 |
| yuhong | Trying to think. | Aug 07 22:40 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 22:40 |
| schestowitz | It's hard | Aug 07 22:41 |
| _Goblin | you just said it wasn't the only thing..... | Aug 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: google it, quickl | Aug 07 22:41 |
| _Goblin | so why do you have to think now? | Aug 07 22:41 |
| yuhong | It has better command line than WIndows. | Aug 07 22:41 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | hehehe | Aug 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | It's good for servers, yuhong? | Aug 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | 1. | Aug 07 22:41 |
| yuhong | Yes, commonly used for servers. | Aug 07 22:41 |
| _Goblin | another thing which won't threaten Windows...after all MS likes to use the C/L in order to frighten people off LInux | Aug 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Free | Aug 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | 2. open source | Aug 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | 3. good for programmer (says Dell) | Aug 07 22:42 |
| yuhong | Not that I ever believed it. | Aug 07 22:42 |
| schestowitz | 4. used in serverzz | Aug 07 22:42 |
| yuhong | _Goblin: Not that I ever believed it. | Aug 07 22:42 |
| _Goblin | really. | Aug 07 22:42 |
| _Goblin | so why do you run Linux yuhong? | Aug 07 22:42 |
| yuhong | I like it. | Aug 07 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Why? | Aug 07 22:42 |
| _Goblin | but you have to "think" why? | Aug 07 22:42 |
| schestowitz | You already paid for Vista | Aug 07 22:42 |
| schestowitz | So the price doesn't matter not,does it? | Aug 07 22:42 |
| yuhong | Yes, as part of my computer purchase. | Aug 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Are you using the command line for IRC? | Aug 07 22:43 |
| yuhong | Nope. | Aug 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Oh... | Aug 07 22:43 |
| _Goblin | so why don't you use AROS? thats free. | Aug 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | You run a server software on the desktop? | Aug 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | You hack on Linux code? | Aug 07 22:43 |
| yuhong | Nope, Linux is desktop software too. | Aug 07 22:43 |
| yuhong | Sometimes, I hack on Linux code. | Aug 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Cool!! | Aug 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Which program? | Aug 07 22:43 |
| yuhong | Linux kernel. | Aug 07 22:43 |
| yuhong | I post on lkml. | Aug 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Patches | Aug 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | ? | Aug 07 22:44 |
| yuhong | Not much. | Aug 07 22:44 |
| _Goblin | lol. | Aug 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | I remember when Microsoft employee posted there | Aug 07 22:44 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Annoyed the hell out of subscribers | Aug 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Pushing Mono into lkml | Aug 07 22:44 |
| yuhong | I read it often. | Aug 07 22:44 |
| yuhong | I read it often, and sometimes reply. | Aug 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | That's intelligent [pun] | Aug 07 22:44 |
| yuhong | It uses text files for configuration. | Aug 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: you wanna be a Linux hacker? | Aug 07 22:45 |
| _Goblin | yuhong: Whatever you are trying to achieve here, your foundations are rather transparent. | Aug 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: | Aug 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | show us patches | Aug 07 22:45 |
| yuhong | I can be one. | Aug 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | If you posted them | Aug 07 22:45 |
| yuhong | I am not a hacker yet. | Aug 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Do you use your modified kernel atm? | Aug 07 22:45 |
| yuhong | I don't compile kernels much yet either. | Aug 07 22:46 |
| schestowitz | <yuhong> Linux bob-pc 2.6.32-22-generic-pae #33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 14:57:29 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux | Aug 07 22:46 |
| _Goblin | lol..this will be good | Aug 07 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Fair enough | Aug 07 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I don't compile mine much either | Aug 07 22:46 |
| schestowitz | How often do you do yours? | Aug 07 22:46 |
| _Goblin | Bob-pc? morelike sideshow bob. | Aug 07 22:46 |
| yuhong | I spend much of my time do research. | Aug 07 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I mean, to test your modifications and all? | Aug 07 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: research on CPUID? | Aug 07 22:46 |
| yuhong | I don't do patches much yet either. | Aug 07 22:46 |
| yuhong | A lot more, on tech in general. | Aug 07 22:47 |
| schestowitz | But you saud you modified code :-( | Aug 07 22:47 |
| yuhong | And some other topics. | Aug 07 22:47 |
| *schestowitz slightly disappointed | Aug 07 22:47 | |
| yuhong | But I often help others on lkml. | Aug 07 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong | I admit Windows is not open source. | Aug 07 22:47 |
| _Goblin | Roy, will you please stop confusing Yuhong with facts... | Aug 07 22:47 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Aug 07 22:47 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: which module/s? | Aug 07 22:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | ^^ that must have hurt, yuhong | Aug 07 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Which subsystems for example? | Aug 07 22:47 |
| yuhong | In general. | Aug 07 22:47 |
| yuhong | I know some facts about Windows. | Aug 07 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | such as? | Aug 07 22:48 |
| _Goblin | that I can believe | Aug 07 22:48 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: the general subsystem? | Aug 07 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Major Subsystem's brother | Aug 07 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Cool! | Aug 07 22:48 |
| yuhong | Nope. | Aug 07 22:48 |
| schestowitz | AWESOME DUDE, LINUX!!!!!!!!1 WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOHOOOOOOO! | Aug 07 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's married to Miss Superstructure | Aug 07 22:48 |
| yuhong | And I do know some problems. | Aug 07 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: such as? | Aug 07 22:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: you must be a pile of fun on mailing lists. | Aug 07 22:49 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you sound like Miss South Carolina | Aug 07 22:49 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 22:49 |
| schestowitz | "Such as l, such as.." | Aug 07 22:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I know the answer to a question. Unfortunately it's not your question, and I won't tell you." | Aug 07 22:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Pish posh | Aug 07 22:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww | Aug 07 22:49 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: oh, no, that was painful enough to watch the first time. | Aug 07 22:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: she knows some facts about Windows, though. | Aug 07 22:49 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: she's cute though | Aug 07 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I'd take her to dinner | Aug 07 22:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not my type. I like Miss Surrey 2008 | Aug 07 22:50 |
| schestowitz | :-p | Aug 07 22:50 |
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| schestowitz | He's gone rebooting into his new kerNAL | Aug 07 22:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: no, really | Aug 07 22:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i hope he misconfigured it. | Aug 07 22:50 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 07 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Core DUMP | Aug 07 22:50 |
| schestowitz | Kernel OOPS I did it AGAIN | Aug 07 22:51 |
| stevensen | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/dude-youre-35-year-old-with-neck-beard.html | Aug 07 22:51 |
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| FurnaceBoy | I wish he'd pretend to be useufl | Aug 07 22:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | ful* | Aug 07 22:51 |
| schestowitz | hi, stevensen | Aug 07 22:51 |
| stevensen | check out the comments. seems like there is serious troll infestation in the ubuntu land | Aug 07 22:51 |
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| yuhong | I even cursed Windows for not being open source in a MS blog. | Aug 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz | stevensen: I don't like that site do much | Aug 07 22:52 |
| yuhong | And MS's bureaucracy too. | Aug 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz | And I can't see the comments | Aug 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Luckily | Aug 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz | No JS | Aug 07 22:52 |
| schestowitz | stevensen: nasty troll or MarkS' idea of "tribalism" | Aug 07 22:53 |
| stevensen | well, this was the first time I went to the site. but this was syndicated at planet ubuntu | Aug 07 22:53 |
| stevensen | or the rss feed, rather | Aug 07 22:53 |
| schestowitz | It's funny to see Ubuntu complain about tribalism | Aug 07 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | I love that Dilbert | Aug 07 22:53 |
| stevensen | it was deleted from planet ubuntu the website, probably | Aug 07 22:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | and I don't normally love them much | Aug 07 22:53 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: OK, in short you lied about coding Linux | Aug 07 22:53 |
| yuhong | I didn't lie. | Aug 07 22:53 |
| yuhong | I do code for Linux. | Aug 07 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: windows not being open source is a banal, irrelevant remark. | Aug 07 22:54 |
| _Goblin | what do you code? | Aug 07 22:54 |
| _Goblin | where is this code? | Aug 07 22:54 |
| stevensen | well, the whole article is a tremendous troll, and violating ubuntu's code of conduct like there is no tomorrow | Aug 07 22:54 |
| schestowitz | "Until we change this attitude where "M$ is the devil," and actually try to create something for them and not us, I fail to see free software taking off based on principle alone - that's if you want it to take off in the first place." | Aug 07 22:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: you need to take your brain out of neutral. | Aug 07 22:54 |
| yuhong | Some API calls mostly. | Aug 07 22:54 |
| schestowitz | What an insulting dross | Aug 07 22:54 |
| yuhong | And inline asm. | Aug 07 22:54 |
| _Goblin | where? | Aug 07 22:54 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it's like asking, "Where's Waldo?" | Aug 07 22:55 |
| _Goblin | true | Aug 07 22:55 |
| yuhong | On my computer. | Aug 07 22:55 |
| yuhong | Simple programs mostly. | Aug 07 22:55 |
| stevensen | and the twitter comments are along the same line: http://twitter.com/humphreybc | Aug 07 22:55 |
| schestowitz | stevensen: why did joey approve it? | Aug 07 22:55 |
| _Goblin | thats the most tragic answer ive ever seen. | Aug 07 22:55 |
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| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: what do you want to do with your life? | Aug 07 22:55 |
| yuhong | Programming. | Aug 07 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it's a young British person who runs the site | Aug 07 22:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | what kind? | Aug 07 22:55 |
| stevensen | schestowitz: I think this was "disapproved" later on from planet ubuntu | Aug 07 22:55 |
| stevensen | luckily | Aug 07 22:55 |
| yuhong | Both Windows and Linux. | Aug 07 22:55 |
| _Goblin | Roy, I meant to tell you...Ive written my own OS from scratch...... | Aug 07 22:55 |
| stevensen | but the stench remains in the rss feed :-). at least in google reader | Aug 07 22:56 |
| _Goblin | only problem is its only on my PC | Aug 07 22:56 |
| _Goblin | so I can't show anyone | Aug 07 22:56 |
| yuhong | But I never believed Vista is completely incompatible with XP. | Aug 07 22:56 |
| schestowitz | stevensen: there's this blog, "Ubuntard" | Aug 07 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: are you interested in the politics of technology? | Aug 07 22:56 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Which I reckon is like LinuxHaters | Aug 07 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Just attack blogs against Linux | Aug 07 22:56 |
| yuhong | Or claims like that. | Aug 07 22:56 |
| stevensen | hah, gotta check it out | Aug 07 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Identica has troll accounts liike "Mark Shuttlecock" | Aug 07 22:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: can Microsoft survive? why? how? | Aug 07 22:56 |
| yuhong | I think MS can be reformed. | Aug 07 22:57 |
| stevensen | but this blog seems to be an ubuntu developer of some sort. not a real developer but designer/whatever | Aug 07 22:57 |
| yuhong | But anyway, I agree that most attacks against Linux are silly. | Aug 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | "Emails, comments and tweets flooding in. CoC complaints. I'm laughing so hard." | Aug 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | He thinks it's a joke | Aug 07 22:57 |
| stevensen | yeah. arrogance of youth I guess | Aug 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | stevensen: oh wait | Aug 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | It's Canonical affiliated | Aug 07 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Working with U can be annoying too | Aug 07 22:58 |
| yuhong | Many claims are indeed just FUD. | Aug 07 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Attributing Linux features to Canonical | Aug 07 22:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: big job | Aug 07 22:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | yuhong: its DNA is crime and extortion. how do you fix that? | Aug 07 22:58 |
| _Goblin | like what yuhong? | Aug 07 22:58 |
| stevensen | well, I'm a ubuntu fan myself. but I'd like to see canonical distance themselves from brats like this | Aug 07 22:58 |
| yuhong | Linux is not a desktop OS. | Aug 07 22:58 |
| _Goblin | well duh. | Aug 07 22:59 |
| _Goblin | Im running it on a desktop | Aug 07 22:59 |
| _Goblin | so can anyone... | Aug 07 22:59 |
| yuhong | Yep, FUD> | Aug 07 22:59 |
| yuhong | Yep, FUD. | Aug 07 22:59 |
| _Goblin | stop being sly... | Aug 07 22:59 |
| _Goblin | thats no admittion at all. | Aug 07 22:59 |
| _Goblin | its FUD that nobody believes anyway. | Aug 07 22:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Predictions - The enquiry will find the Officers did nothing wrong and have no case to answer http://bit.ly/aCyOrb | Aug 07 22:59 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "OMGUbuntu" is a troll site today. http://twitter.com/humphreybc http://ur1.ca/111yj | Aug 07 22:59 | |
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| TechrightsBot | Title: Benjamin Humphrey (humphreybc) on Twitter .::. Size~: 43.9 KB | Aug 07 22:59 |
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| yuhong | SCO FUD. | Aug 07 22:59 |
| yuhong | I hate it too. | Aug 07 23:00 |
| _Goblin | and MS can't exactly deny Linux is a desktop OS since many mainstream press outlets are talking about it. | Aug 07 23:00 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45060663#notice-45390428 "@schestowitz I bet religious fundies think freedom of/from religion & gender equality="extremist" views. How *dare* RMS demand freedom? :D" | Aug 07 23:00 |
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| schestowitz | Exactly | Aug 07 23:00 |
| _Goblin | so you are not disputing any real fud at all. | Aug 07 23:00 |
| _Goblin | just stating the bloody obvious | Aug 07 23:00 |
| yuhong | And FUD against Boycott Novell too. | Aug 07 23:00 |
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| _Goblin | go on, lets here it. | Aug 07 23:00 |
| _Goblin | *hear | Aug 07 23:01 |
| _Goblin | what FUD against BN? | Aug 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Michael Moore too was called an extremist for suggesting healthcare for the public. Pro-life=extremism | Aug 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz | stevensen: agreed | Aug 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Techrights is pro-Ubuntu | Aug 07 23:01 |
| yuhong | BN is a front for Red Hat. | Aug 07 23:01 |
| schestowitz | In the sense that it defends it as at least a choice | Aug 07 23:02 |
| yuhong | FUD. | Aug 07 23:02 |
| _Goblin | oh come on | Aug 07 23:02 |
| schestowitz | I used Ubuntu since its very first release | Aug 07 23:02 |
| _Goblin | who would believe that. | Aug 07 23:02 |
| _Goblin | its like saying TechRIGHTS built the face on mars. | Aug 07 23:02 |
| _Goblin | its obviously false and doesn't need disputing. | Aug 07 23:02 |
| schestowitz | I'm also among the first people who promoted Ubuntu way back in the days when it was tiny | Aug 07 23:02 |
| schestowitz | [23:01] <yuhong> BN is a front for Red Hat. | Aug 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | ???????????/ | Aug 07 23:03 |
| yuhong | FUD. | Aug 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | THat must be sarcasm | Aug 07 23:03 |
| yuhong | I actually saw it. | Aug 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [23:02] <_Goblin> its like saying TechRIGHTS built the face on mars. | Aug 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | There's noi face | Aug 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | They got high-res pics later | Aug 07 23:03 |
| _Goblin | I wouldn't even go there....its so obviously false...but its "safe" for Yuhong to dispute that. | Aug 07 23:03 |
| schestowitz | It looks nothing like the first footage | Aug 07 23:03 |
| _Goblin | what? | Aug 07 23:04 |
| _Goblin | no face? | Aug 07 23:04 |
| yuhong | I know another example of FUD on Slashdot, I am finding it. | Aug 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz | WHat's yuhong on?? | Aug 07 23:04 |
| _Goblin | I want some | Aug 07 23:04 |
| _Goblin | so does my wife | Aug 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: no, you spread some | Aug 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: "I'm his wife, too" | Aug 07 23:04 |
| yuhong | What FUD? | Aug 07 23:04 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 07 23:04 |
| yuhong | What FUD did I spread? | Aug 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: what do you want? | Aug 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | You pretend to run Linux | Aug 07 23:05 |
| yuhong | I do. | Aug 07 23:05 |
| _Goblin | badly | Aug 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | But you lie about working on it | Aug 07 23:05 |
| _Goblin | badly | Aug 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | You also can't name reaosnd for using it | Aug 07 23:05 |
| yuhong | Did I lie? | Aug 07 23:05 |
| yuhong | Really? | Aug 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | And you spent a lot of the time here whitewashing Mcirosoft's crimes and mentioning Microsoft products | Aug 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Telling us how good they ar | Aug 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | *are | Aug 07 23:05 |
| schestowitz | So why do you find it worthwhile coming to a techrightrs forum? I'm curiousl. | Aug 07 23:06 |
| yuhong | I did not try to whitewash crimes. I know some, and I admit MS has been convicted under anti-trust. | Aug 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz | That would be like me going to #neowin | Aug 07 23:06 |
| yuhong | Did I lie about working on Linux? | Aug 07 23:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] I dislike the idea of pixel in web/HTML5 #danger #webgl #canvas XML can be used instead of WebGL | Aug 07 23:06 | |
| _Goblin | how can you "admit" if they have already been convicted? | Aug 07 23:06 |
| schestowitz | You pretend to like both | Aug 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz | But it's a facade | Aug 07 23:07 |
| yuhong | Why? | Aug 07 23:07 |
| _Goblin | its not an admittion if they have already been found guilty is it? | Aug 07 23:07 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz | façade | Aug 07 23:07 |
| yuhong | Why? | Aug 07 23:07 |
| yuhong | Did I lie about working on Linux? | Aug 07 23:07 |
| _Goblin | yuhong, you would last 1 minute in a UK court. | Aug 07 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 07 23:07 |
| yuhong | What are you referring to? | Aug 07 23:07 |
| yuhong | As lying? | Aug 07 23:07 |
| _Goblin | I have watched as you have been taken appart by your own words... | Aug 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://yuhongbao.blogspot.com/2010/06/spamming-comments-with-automated.html | Aug 07 23:08 |
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| MinceR | 235606 < schestowitz> WHat's yuhong on?? | Aug 07 23:08 |
| schestowitz | I'll have two! | Aug 07 23:08 |
| yuhong | I was talking about Comcast. | Aug 07 23:09 |
| yuhong | Remember? | Aug 07 23:09 |
| MinceR | m$'s payroll? :> | Aug 07 23:09 |
| yuhong | When I did this? | Aug 07 23:09 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: It makes me wonder if Yuhong posts in the way he/she does in order to keep us distracted...I can't believe anyone with so many holes in their POV would stay | Aug 07 23:09 |
| yuhong | When I was talking about COncast? | Aug 07 23:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: no way, he's too close to Microsoft HQ | Aug 07 23:10 |
| yuhong | When I was talking about Comcast? | Aug 07 23:10 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: that side can't afford anyone with less holes in their POV :> | Aug 07 23:10 |
| schestowitz | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/bloggers-beware-confess-or-be-fined/ | Aug 07 23:11 |
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| yuhong | Yes, I remember that. | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Yuhong Bao | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | October 7, 2009 | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | “In my opinion much pro-proprietary software opinion is based on gifts (or the possibility of recieving them)” | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Well, do you mean just Microsoft? | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | “Honest opinion is not much to strive for is it? Maybe we will see the end of comments such as “Vista is loved”.” | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I would not go that far. | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | Ouch. Hit a spot there | Aug 07 23:11 |
| yuhong | I know Vista was not loved. | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I would not go that far | Aug 07 23:11 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | CTRL+IWN | Aug 07 23:11 |
| schestowitz | CTRL+IWwouldNot | Aug 07 23:12 |
| yuhong | I know Vista was not loved. | Aug 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | But you loved it | Aug 07 23:12 |
| MinceR | but it was only because of the name and the theme, right? | Aug 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | The public didn't do it justice, right? | Aug 07 23:12 |
| yuhong | Yes, but I know the public didn't love it. | Aug 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Not enougn PR like with Vista7. | Aug 07 23:12 |
| MinceR | they love mojave^W7 so much | Aug 07 23:12 |
| yuhong | Not just because of that. | Aug 07 23:12 |
| stevensen | are you guys still ramling on about microsoft? did you miss the memo about Apple being the most toxic influence around? | Aug 07 23:12 |
| schestowitz | WHat else has it got, yuhong? | Aug 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | stevensen: so Microsoft would have us believe | Aug 07 23:13 |
| yuhong | Vista had many problems indeed. | Aug 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Apple is another issue | Aug 07 23:13 |
| MinceR | stevensen: unlike you, we are not single-minded | Aug 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | He ain't either | Aug 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | He's right, Apple too is a problem | Aug 07 23:13 |
| yuhong | Many has been fixed in 7, but I am fine with Vista. | Aug 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Techrights writes about Apple almost every dauy | Aug 07 23:13 |
| schestowitz | *day | Aug 07 23:13 |
| MinceR | one can't ignore a problem because there's another | Aug 07 23:13 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know, the closed iPhone. | Aug 07 23:14 |
| yuhong | The App store. | Aug 07 23:14 |
| yuhong | It's secrecy. | Aug 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz | It's lack of freedom | Aug 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz | It's tyranny | Aug 07 23:14 |
| stevensen | well, that's true... but MS has been somewhat boring in their evil pursuits lately | Aug 07 23:14 |
| yuhong | YEs. | Aug 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz | And it's not closed source | Aug 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Ot's proprietary | Aug 07 23:14 |
| _Goblin | so what type of app store will Win Mob 7 have Yuhong? | Aug 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Or nonfree | Aug 07 23:14 |
| yuhong | I don't pay attension to it. | Aug 07 23:14 |
| schestowitz | closed source implies open source rather than free(dom) as opposite | Aug 07 23:14 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: a .net-only one :> | Aug 07 23:15 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know, I don't pay attension it, I pay more attension to the Mac side. | Aug 07 23:15 |
| MinceR | i think "nonfree" and "non-open" are better words than "proprietary" | Aug 07 23:15 |
| _Goblin | Mincer: matters not...it will flop. | Aug 07 23:15 |
| MinceR | i hope so | Aug 07 23:15 |
| MinceR | they're trying to outdo crApple in dumbing down | Aug 07 23:15 |
| _Goblin | forgetting about their last effort, Android and APple are what people want. | Aug 07 23:16 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know. | Aug 07 23:16 |
| stevensen | who cares about "proprietary" as far as app store goes. all commercial apps are proprietary. the problem with app store is that it's trying to lock developers to single platform development | Aug 07 23:16 |
| MinceR | that's false | Aug 07 23:16 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know. | Aug 07 23:16 |
| stevensen | enforging use of apple libs etc | Aug 07 23:16 |
| stevensen | enforcing | Aug 07 23:16 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know. | Aug 07 23:16 |
| MinceR | you're conflating "commercial" with "proprietary" | Aug 07 23:16 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1113711&p=20520760 "Do you realize this is an old copy-paste troll with "OS X" replacing "Windows?" Why would you take the word of some anonymous Slashdot troll from seven years ago? Did "always runs as root" being listed as an advantage not raise red flags for you or the "never runs code based on a file extension" which UNIX doesn't do either? " | Aug 07 23:16 |
| schestowitz | In reply in yuhong | Aug 07 23:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Would Copland have been more secure than Mac OS X? - Ars Technica OpenForum .::. Size~: 70.05 KB | Aug 07 23:16 |
| stevensen | and forbidding parallel development for other platforms | Aug 07 23:16 |
| MinceR | there are more problems with app stores | Aug 07 23:16 |
| MinceR | and locking developers into a single platform isn't even the most intrinsic one | Aug 07 23:17 |
| yuhong | I remember, yes. | Aug 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | (it's crApple's special addition which came later than the crApp store itself) | Aug 07 23:17 |
| cubezzz | right, you can have commercial open source too | Aug 07 23:17 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz | [23:16] <MinceR> you're conflating "commercial" with "proprietary" | Aug 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Beat me to it | Aug 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | imo one of the greatest problems is the killswitch | Aug 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz | Esp. with app stores | Aug 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | another is central control of what app gets in | Aug 07 23:17 |
| schestowitz | People would pay for an app that has source code on some given address | Aug 07 23:17 |
| yuhong | Look at the other responses too. | Aug 07 23:18 |
| cubezzz | it's not so much commercial your against, but closed source | Aug 07 23:18 |
| cubezzz | you're | Aug 07 23:18 |
| stevensen | I'm not against closed source at all | Aug 07 23:18 |
| yuhong | Yep, debunked by the FSF. | Aug 07 23:18 |
| stevensen | I don't care if someone keeps their fart app source code secret | Aug 07 23:18 |
| stevensen | you just don't need to use the app | Aug 07 23:18 |
| ThistleWeb | stevensen: really? what if it contains some nasty code that steals your private info? | Aug 07 23:18 |
| schestowitz | Apple gets to fart about 200,000 'apps' | Aug 07 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Because of 200 fart 'crapps' | Aug 07 23:19 |
| ThistleWeb | closed means having to trust the developer that it does what it says it does | Aug 07 23:19 |
| stevensen | well, then it does steal it. as Isaid you don't need to buy it | Aug 07 23:19 |
| yuhong | I know. | Aug 07 23:19 |
| cubezzz | given it's a program you want to use would you prefer open or closed source? | Aug 07 23:19 |
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| stevensen | is that a trick question? open source of course | Aug 07 23:19 |
| ThistleWeb | open means people with the skills and interest can examine it, so it's almost impossible to hide nasty code inside it | Aug 07 23:19 |
| cubezzz | no it's a ridiculous question :) | Aug 07 23:20 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: any fall out from Cliff Richard fans yet? | Aug 07 23:20 |
| MinceR | open is about more than examinationm | Aug 07 23:20 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Aug 07 23:20 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/motters/statuses/20575003380 "to be fair red hat is probably a much bigger company than Canonical http://is.gd/e7ON2" | Aug 07 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | Who was motters? | Aug 07 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | I forgot | Aug 07 23:20 |
| cubezzz | open non-obfuscated sourcce code is even better | Aug 07 23:20 |
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| MinceR | they also get to remove the nasty code and distribute the fixed version | Aug 07 23:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz: it used to contain interesting stuff but it's harder nowadays | Aug 07 23:20 | |
| yuhong | What do you want me to admit about Windows. | Aug 07 23:20 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: exactly | Aug 07 23:21 |
| yuhong | What do you want me to admit about Windows? | Aug 07 23:21 |
| MinceR | yuhong: that it sucks so much it isn't even funny | Aug 07 23:21 |
| MinceR | that it's a combination of design flaws and implementation flaws | Aug 07 23:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 23:21 |
| yuhong | Be more specific. | Aug 07 23:21 |
| MinceR | that the only reason it wasn't forgotten yet is that m$ used anticompetitive practices to force it on users | Aug 07 23:22 |
| ThistleWeb | with a closed platform, you can't fix it yourself, you're reliant on asking the devs to do it, and if they choose to include that fix in the next version....which you'll need to pay for again....that's all you can doo | Aug 07 23:22 |
| stevensen | ThistleWeb: you are preaching to the choir | Aug 07 23:22 |
| cubezzz | right :) | Aug 07 23:22 |
| cubezzz | I was going to say these arguments are old | Aug 07 23:22 |
| cubezzz | you need to warp back to 1995 | Aug 07 23:23 |
| ThistleWeb | MS refuse to patch some stuff, because they want to increase the carrot / stick on you switching to windows 7 | Aug 07 23:23 |
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| yuhong | ThistleWeb: I know that Windows is closed. | Aug 07 23:24 |
| yuhong | I admit it. | Aug 07 23:24 |
| schestowitz | You said it times | Aug 07 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Nobody asked you about it | Aug 07 23:24 |
| yuhong | ThistleWeb: I know that Windows is closed. | Aug 07 23:24 |
| schestowitz | Awwwwwwwghhhhhh | Aug 07 23:24 |
| yuhong | MinceR: I know that Windows is closed. | Aug 07 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | for me it's about being reliant on a pusher | Aug 07 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | closed source is about the pusher | Aug 07 23:25 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | if you're at the mercy of that pusher for fixes or updates, it's not a good place | Aug 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | it's also about forced upgrades | Aug 07 23:25 |
| MinceR | today at 11: yuhong admits that water is wet! | Aug 07 23:25 |
| cubezzz | with Linux, you want to use an old box it's not a problem | Aug 07 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | you're always gonna be at the mercy of that pushers needs | Aug 07 23:26 |
| yuhong | ThistleWeb: I know. | Aug 07 23:26 |
| ThistleWeb | need more money? release a new version and stop supporting the older one | Aug 07 23:26 |
| yuhong | ThistleWeb: I know. | Aug 07 23:26 |
| schestowitz | today at 11, yuhong swaps macros | Aug 07 23:26 |
| yuhong | ThistleWeb: Luckily many vendors have support lifecycles. | Aug 07 23:26 |
| MinceR | maybe he's got an x-keys professional | Aug 07 23:27 |
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| MinceR | keys preprogrammed for so many phrases | Aug 07 23:27 |
| schestowitz | emacs shortcuts | Aug 07 23:27 |
| MinceR | ok, not so many | Aug 07 23:27 |
| cubezzz | whatever, it was a dumb conversation anyways :) | Aug 07 23:27 |
| schestowitz | Nah.. | Aug 07 23:27 |
| schestowitz | I kid.. surely a vi user! | Aug 07 23:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] In Thunderbird, I just want to read todays blogs only. How I can do it ? | Aug 07 23:27 | |
| schestowitz | vi.exe | Aug 07 23:27 |
| schestowitz | vi.EXE | Aug 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Improper cases | Aug 07 23:28 |
| MinceR | i doubt that being a vi user is compatible with being a m$ apologist | Aug 07 23:28 |
| ThistleWeb | what I like about the FOSS model generally, is that you can talk directly to the devs, suggest ideas, features, and if they're sensible enough or easy to implement, they arrive a while later in an update. You don't have to see them filtered through the "how can we monetize this idea" | Aug 07 23:28 |
| cubezzz | thank you Mr. 8.3 :) | Aug 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: vi can copy and paste | Aug 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | That's illegal | Aug 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | It encourages plagiarism :-) | Aug 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Vista Phone 7 takes us a step into the future | Aug 07 23:28 |
| schestowitz | One retraction of feature at a time | Aug 07 23:28 |
| ThistleWeb | since this IRC channel is logged.....Thunar needs tabs.....jus' sayin' | Aug 07 23:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 07 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | ;P | Aug 07 23:29 |
| MinceR | does it have file search, open with... and breadcrumbs? | Aug 07 23:29 |
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| MinceR | of not, then it needs those too | Aug 07 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | open with, yeah | Aug 07 23:29 |
| cubezzz | the last thing to fix is the bios | Aug 07 23:29 |
| MinceR | today nautilus flooded my desktop with message boxes again | Aug 07 23:29 |
| schestowitz | IExplorer still crappy like it used to be? | Aug 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | I think Vista added some bloat to it | Aug 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | Effects and stuff | Aug 07 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | the one thing it REALLY needs is tabs | Aug 07 23:30 |
| schestowitz | KDE4-like tickboxes | Aug 07 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | apparently the network browsing leaves a lot to be desired too | Aug 07 23:30 |
| MinceR | switched to ROX-Filer as my "small" file manager | Aug 07 23:30 |
| *schestowitz hardly uses file managers | Aug 07 23:30 | |
| schestowitz | Folderview for the rescue | Aug 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | With hover to open | Aug 07 23:31 |
| schestowitz | And QuckFolder in the panel | Aug 07 23:31 |
| ThistleWeb | I remember the Nautilus peeps said "well, tabs sounds easy but the codebase the way it is means a major overhall".......then BAM! a few months later it had tabs | Aug 07 23:31 |
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| ThistleWeb | and while we're on nautilus, why does it take over the desktop? I need to run it with the --no-desktop flag to keep my xfce stuff | Aug 07 23:32 |
| ThistleWeb | it's like a file manager with diluusions of granduer thinking it's a WM | Aug 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | I don't even use file managers | Aug 07 23:33 |
| cubezzz | no kfm or nautilus | Aug 07 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | anyhoo, didn't mean to derail, carry on | Aug 07 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | tried rox a few times, I can't seem to wrap my mind around it | Aug 07 23:34 |
| *schestowitz uses konq and dolphin sometimes | Aug 07 23:35 | |
| schestowitz | I put many of my files on my sites | Aug 07 23:35 |
| MinceR | my "big" file manager is Krusader now | Aug 07 23:35 |
| schestowitz | The Web makes file managers more obsolete or scarcely used | Aug 07 23:35 |
| cubezzz | I even cross-test my bash scripts with older bash :) | Aug 07 23:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: NC.exe | Aug 07 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I still have it BTW.... | Aug 07 23:36 |
| MinceR | but i use mc for FISH since that hasn't blown up in my face yet | Aug 07 23:36 |
| MinceR | unlike nautilus and kio | Aug 07 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Since 1995ish | Aug 07 23:36 |
| schestowitz | I still remember NC shortcuts | Aug 07 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | emelFM2 is kinda cool too, but I'm not used to the whole 2 panel way of wroking | Aug 07 23:36 |
| schestowitz | memories of days when blue screens in the office were not blue screens of death | Aug 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Aug 07 23:37 |
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| yuhong | What *specific* flaws about Windows do you want me to admit? | Aug 07 23:38 |
| yuhong | I will admit it is true, provide a defense, or say I am not sure. | Aug 07 23:38 |
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| yuhong | Because I am willing to admit flaws. | Aug 07 23:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US military's ORSA exposed in today's Berlin FAZ. On the web, Monday. | Aug 07 23:39 | |
| MinceR | but only small ones? | Aug 07 23:40 |
| yuhong | Depends on whether it is true or not? | Aug 07 23:40 |
| yuhong | Depends on whether it is true or not. | Aug 07 23:40 |
| MinceR | how small? registry, uac, autostart? | Aug 07 23:40 |
| MinceR | windowing system in kernel? | Aug 07 23:40 |
| yuhong | UAC, I admit. | Aug 07 23:40 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 23:40 |
| yuhong | Autostart, I admit. | Aug 07 23:40 |
| yuhong | Registry I admit. | Aug 07 23:41 |
| yuhong | Autostart caused a lot of pain. | Aug 07 23:41 |
| yuhong | Registry I personally suffered through. | Aug 07 23:41 |
| cubezzz | how about all the OEMs forced into only selling windows? | Aug 07 23:41 |
| yuhong | Yes, I admit it. | Aug 07 23:42 |
| _Goblin | well you can't exactly deny any them either can you? | Aug 07 23:42 |
| _Goblin | they are all pretty obvious | Aug 07 23:42 |
| yuhong | No, and I won't. | Aug 07 23:42 |
| cubezzz | I'm asking Dell for a AROS laptop :) | Aug 07 23:42 |
| _Goblin | I know you won't...You can't, nobody can, they are stated facts...facts which EVERYONE already knows. | Aug 07 23:43 |
| yuhong | So what do you want me to admit? | Aug 07 23:43 |
| _Goblin | yuhong: Im fed up with this, Ive seen your tricks played out by a thousand people before....fair enough not to do with IT...but you are as obvious to me as anyone I deal with on a daily basis. | Aug 07 23:44 |
| cubezzz | i think we're done | Aug 07 23:44 |
| _Goblin | yuhong: Im now beginning to take offense at your efforts. You are not convincing anyone. Give it up. | Aug 07 23:44 |
| cubezzz | mostly I'm disappointed with the wimpy OEMs | Aug 07 23:44 |
| yuhong | Yes, I know. | Aug 07 23:44 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Conservapedia has actually finally lost it. Front page template just now: http://is.gd/e7WOf (screencap: http://is.gd/e7WS5 ) o_0 | Aug 07 23:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] And no, that was *not* a troll or vandalism. That is what passes for a valued contributor there. Seriously. | Aug 07 23:45 | |
| schestowitz | yuhong and daemonfc have something in common | Aug 07 23:46 |
| schestowitz | They both got canned the first day they came to the channel, within hours | Aug 07 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Few people ever had that done, I didn't kick them | Aug 07 23:46 |
| MinceR | hidden fondness for vista? :> | Aug 07 23:46 |
| schestowitz | Other admins did | Aug 07 23:46 |
| schestowitz | I kicked daemon though after others in the channel pressured me to | Aug 07 23:47 |
| cubezzz | no one's been kicked in ages, unless I missed it | Aug 07 23:47 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: fondne$$$ | Aug 07 23:47 |
| schestowitz | He's living next to Microsoft | Aug 07 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Geographically | Aug 07 23:47 |
| schestowitz | And when pointed out he ran away | Aug 07 23:47 |
| cubezzz | does yuhong work at Microsoft? | Aug 07 23:47 |
| schestowitz | He also trolls RoughlyDrafted (pro-Apple) | Aug 07 23:47 |
| schestowitz | RoughlyDrafted did a lot of damge to Microsoft | Aug 07 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Exposing its lies, crimes, fake numbers... | Aug 07 23:48 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: no | Aug 07 23:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe an agency they hire | Aug 07 23:48 |
| MinceR | he bravely turned his tail and fled | Aug 07 23:48 |
| schestowitz | But I never found the smokign gun | Aug 07 23:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but he got his way | Aug 07 23:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] FOX roundtable on WikiLeaks: http://bit.ly/dCYu11 Tobacco: http://bit.ly/aEbyH3 | Aug 07 23:48 | |
| schestowitz | He injected Microdoft content into the channel | Aug 07 23:48 |
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| schestowitz | he always does that | Aug 07 23:48 |
| MinceR | yes, brave sir robin turned about | Aug 07 23:49 |
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| ThistleWeb | <MinceR> he bravely turned his tail and fled << for some reason I got an image of Brave Sir Robin from Monty Python's Holy Grail | Aug 07 23:49 |
| MinceR | and gallantly he chickened out. | Aug 07 23:49 |
| schestowitz | One moment we talk about Linux and then it's diluted with Vista stuff and why Linux is not as good | Aug 07 23:49 |
| MinceR | yes, for some reason :> | Aug 07 23:49 |
| schestowitz | He'll be back in 2 minutes | Aug 07 23:49 |
| schestowitz | He needs ideas | Aug 07 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Excuse to come back | Aug 07 23:49 |
| MinceR | http://www.stmoroky.com/sirrobin/song.htm | Aug 07 23:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] And yet more Tobacco: http://bit.ly/9leuyP | Aug 07 23:49 | |
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| schestowitz | And paste a long line | Aug 07 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Or technobabble about Intel x86 | Aug 07 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Even if it's pasted | Aug 07 23:50 |
| cubezzz | ok, I'm ready with "Can you compile the windows kernel" | Aug 07 23:50 |
| schestowitz | To show some pretense of knowledhe | Aug 07 23:50 |
| schestowitz | Often he uses lines from history for that | Aug 07 23:50 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: he says he codes in Linux | Aug 07 23:50 |
| cubezzz | or the always fun "Can you run Vista on 486?" | Aug 07 23:50 |
| schestowitz | He's just not sure what subsystem | Aug 07 23:50 |
| schestowitz | And he never compiles it | Aug 07 23:50 |
| cubezzz | odd | Aug 07 23:50 |
| schestowitz | So I reckon he changes the code and submits it to the kernel mailing list untested | Aug 07 23:51 |
| schestowitz | If it's true that he maild on that kml, then he's wasting their time | Aug 07 23:51 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft folks in UbuntuForuims | Aug 07 23:51 |
| cubezzz | very odd behaviour | Aug 07 23:51 |
| cubezzz | seems like a big waste of time | Aug 07 23:52 |
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| yuhong | OK going to another topic now. | Aug 07 23:52 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: He's technlogy illiterate | Aug 07 23:52 |
| jweyrich | LOL :-) | Aug 07 23:52 |
| schestowitz | That other guy | Aug 07 23:53 |
| schestowitz | yuhong: not you :-) | Aug 07 23:53 |
| yuhong | I think a lot of the barrier to free phones is the carriers. | Aug 07 23:53 |
| *MinceR hands yuhong a copy of m$ comic chat | Aug 07 23:53 | |
| yuhong | I know it is not me. | Aug 07 23:53 |
| cubezzz | there's linux phones | Aug 07 23:53 |
| *schestowitz runs away | Aug 07 23:53 | |
| jweyrich | MinceR: make him sign the EULA first. | Aug 07 23:53 |
| cubezzz | Motorola made one | Aug 07 23:53 |
| cubezzz | 2.4 kernel | Aug 07 23:53 |
| MinceR | afaik openmoko's failure to support umts was due to licensing issues | Aug 07 23:53 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing/archive/2010/08/02/10044721.aspx | Aug 07 23:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 23:54 |
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| schestowitz | For example, more irrelevant chatter deleted. | Aug 07 23:54 |
| schestowitz | [Apparently Yuhong doesn't realize that I was telling him to stop making irrelevant comments. -Raymond] | Aug 07 23:54 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 23:54 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 07 23:54 |
| schestowitz | Even Microsoft employees delete his comments | Aug 07 23:54 |
| cubezzz | I wonder if PC-Z1 has come down in price yet | Aug 07 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Ray Trent: "Raymond... please don't feed the trolls. They're like gremlins in swimming pools." | Aug 07 23:55 |
| schestowitz | That was days ago | Aug 07 23:55 |
| yuhong | Yes, I remember. | Aug 07 23:56 |
| cubezzz | still expensive -> $510 | Aug 07 23:56 |
| yuhong | I admit it. | Aug 07 23:56 |
| yuhong | I remember some of my blunders. | Aug 07 23:56 |
| yuhong | Most of which was yes on this blog. | Aug 07 23:57 |
| yuhong | Back on topic though. | Aug 07 23:57 |
| yuhong | Carriers depends on things like carrier locking. | Aug 07 23:57 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Roughly Drafted banned you too | Aug 07 23:57 |
| schestowitz | We're the most tolerant towards you | Aug 07 23:57 |
| schestowitz | But you take us off topic | Aug 07 23:58 |
| yuhong | Roughly Drafted banned me? | Aug 07 23:58 |
| schestowitz | I thought so | Aug 07 23:58 |
| schestowitz | You refuted this | Aug 07 23:58 |
| yuhong | Yes. | Aug 07 23:58 |
| yuhong | I tried posting on his blog soon after and it worked. | Aug 07 23:58 |
| yuhong | Not that I read it now though. | Aug 07 23:59 |
| yuhong | So I don't really care. | Aug 07 23:59 |
| yuhong | I admit some of my blunders on the Raymond Chen blog was much bigger than that. | Aug 07 23:59 |
| yuhong | Over time I have tried to get better. | Aug 07 23:59 |
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