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| oiaohm | I would pay for a calander of the google lead women even in suits. cubevector | Aug 10 00:00 |
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| _Goblin | its proven that men with beards have a higher IQ and are more attractive to others than those that don't ;) | Aug 10 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Some people can grow a beard | Aug 10 00:00 |
| oiaohm | Some people cannot. | Aug 10 00:00 |
| oiaohm | And some people should not because it always will look a mess. | Aug 10 00:01 |
| _Goblin | only thing being is that most of the time I have to shave my head....so I look a little unbalanced. | Aug 10 00:01 |
| _Goblin | got a really geeky joke...not really funny except its one of the few that can't be challenged for being un-pc. | Aug 10 00:03 |
| _Goblin | What website do sheep surf the most? | Aug 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | cowboy hate compensates for it | Aug 10 00:03 |
| _Goblin | ewe-tube | Aug 10 00:03 |
| schestowitz | *hat | Aug 10 00:03 |
| MinceR | ಠ_ಠ | Aug 10 00:03 |
| *schestowitz ducks | Aug 10 00:03 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: as you know roy, its not the only hat I wear! | Aug 10 00:04 |
| *oiaohm sees _Goblin take of as electric sheep give chase. | Aug 10 00:04 | |
| MinceR | damn kde4 is having a really stupid day today | Aug 10 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Clowns ina circus.. | Aug 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Hot uniform | Aug 10 00:05 |
| _Goblin | Ive been so impressed with Sabayon over the last few days... | Aug 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: which part? | Aug 10 00:05 |
| MinceR | kwin | Aug 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | which kpart? | Aug 10 00:05 |
| schestowitz | disables effects? | Aug 10 00:05 |
| MinceR | first it went berserk, littering the screen with garbage until it disabled compositing and didn't let me re-enable it with alt+shift+f12, only from system settings | Aug 10 00:05 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: Ok why? | Aug 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | now it decided i can't show the Desktop Grid and can' | Aug 10 00:06 |
| cubevector | I'm surprised you use KDE 4 | Aug 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | t switch desktops | Aug 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: sounds familiar | Aug 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | cubevector: didn't have time to switch yet | Aug 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | If I play videos in one desktop I can overload the GPU | Aug 10 00:06 |
| *sebsebseb3 is using a Ubuntu 9.10 Live CD at the moment | Aug 10 00:06 | |
| MinceR | besides, i want to do a distro testing round before i switch distros anyway | Aug 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Then kwin tries to 'help' me by disabling self | Aug 10 00:06 |
| cubevector | been using vector for a while now, very happy with it | Aug 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | and i need even more time for that | Aug 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | In older KDE you had no shortcut to re-anable | Aug 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | kwin just overloads itself at a whim | Aug 10 00:06 |
| schestowitz | 4.4 added it | Aug 10 00:06 |
| MinceR | well, that's great | Aug 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | disabling and enabling isn't enough for them? | Aug 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | have to waste yet another shortcut? | Aug 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | when did the last shred of reason left the kde developer team? | Aug 10 00:07 |
| cubevector | the more complex the system, the more likely it will screw up | Aug 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | s/left/leave/ | Aug 10 00:07 |
| schestowitz | I make shortcuts | Aug 10 00:07 |
| MinceR | cubevector: especially if it's a monolithic monstrosity | Aug 10 00:07 |
| schestowitz | e.g. to restart plasma-desktop | Aug 10 00:07 |
| cubevector | well, I've tried a bunch of OSes | Aug 10 00:08 |
| schestowitz | I've been on the same kde session for weeks | Aug 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | there's not much separating the window manager from the desktop-everything-in-one-rotten-package (plasma-desktop) | Aug 10 00:08 |
| cubevector | Linux is still the best (out of what I've tried at least) | Aug 10 00:08 |
| MinceR | of course, but not with kde4 | Aug 10 00:08 |
| _Goblin | cubevector: have you given AROS a run? | Aug 10 00:08 |
| cubevector | yeah | Aug 10 00:08 |
| _Goblin | oh hang on.... | Aug 10 00:09 |
| _Goblin | are you cubezzzz? | Aug 10 00:09 |
| cubevector | I was in here yesterday on it | Aug 10 00:09 |
| cubevector | yes | Aug 10 00:09 |
| _Goblin | ah | Aug 10 00:09 |
| cubevector | cubeeverything :) | Aug 10 00:09 |
| cubevector | I'm also cubeAROS :) | Aug 10 00:09 |
| cubevector | AROS is still alpha, very rough | Aug 10 00:09 |
| cubevector | it has potential though | Aug 10 00:10 |
| _Goblin | Did I say who Ive got on interview for Openbytes? | Aug 10 00:10 |
| _Goblin | (to cubevector) | Aug 10 00:10 |
| cubevector | uh, I don't recall | Aug 10 00:10 |
| _Goblin | Romeo Knight - The musician from Red Sector who wrote Riseup...hopefully as an ex-Amiga owner you will know who he is. | Aug 10 00:10 |
| cubevector | I think I remember Red Sector | Aug 10 00:11 |
| _Goblin | Red Sector Megademo....? | Aug 10 00:11 |
| cubevector | yeah, vaguely remember :) | Aug 10 00:11 |
| cubevector | was that the group who did Spaceballs? | Aug 10 00:12 |
| _Goblin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6FzrxK8aw4 | Aug 10 00:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Redsector Megademo part 1 of 4,‎ .::. Size~: 91.48 KB | Aug 10 00:12 |
| _Goblin | I don't think they did spaceballs....don't recall it. | Aug 10 00:14 |
| _Goblin | those were the days when you needed tallent to be a coder. | Aug 10 00:14 |
| _Goblin | great times... | Aug 10 00:14 |
| cubevector | spaceballs was my favourite amiga demo | Aug 10 00:15 |
| cubevector | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5kuYfTCGLg | Aug 10 00:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Spaceballs - State of the Art (Amiga Demo Scene),‎ .::. Size~: 90.5 KB | Aug 10 00:15 |
| _Goblin | yeah I was just watching that when searching for who wrote it. | Aug 10 00:15 |
| _Goblin | Silents were a good crew too....Global Trash was an excellent piece of work. | Aug 10 00:16 |
| _Goblin | as was Enigma by Phenomenma | Aug 10 00:16 |
| _Goblin | and the only crew on the PC who I really enjoy now would be O.D.D | Aug 10 00:16 |
| _Goblin | cubevector: you are from the USA aren't you? | Aug 10 00:17 |
| cubevector | no | Aug 10 00:17 |
| cubevector | Canada | Aug 10 00:17 |
| _Goblin | close enough.... | Aug 10 00:17 |
| _Goblin | I have a question for you... | Aug 10 00:18 |
| _Goblin | in the days of the A500, how common were hard disks...as in how many people you knew with an A500 also had a harddisk for it. | Aug 10 00:18 |
| cubevector | well... | Aug 10 00:18 |
| cubevector | they were really expensive in 1988 when I bought mine | Aug 10 00:19 |
| cubevector | $1350 | Aug 10 00:19 |
| _Goblin | yep...same in the UK. | Aug 10 00:19 |
| _Goblin | it was just a troll on my site implying that harddisks were common to try and prove their silly point. | Aug 10 00:19 |
| cubevector | hard to say how many people had hard drives on the 500 | Aug 10 00:19 |
| _Goblin | infact it wasn't a point, they were implying that virus's were a big problem. | Aug 10 00:19 |
| cubevector | on the 2000 most people probably had a hd | Aug 10 00:20 |
| _Goblin | agreed. | Aug 10 00:20 |
| _Goblin | and I think they started to take off with the amiga when the a600 was released. | Aug 10 00:20 |
| cubevector | I even remember which one exactly, a compsec enclosure with ST-157A SCSI drive | Aug 10 00:20 |
| cubevector | 40 meg? or maybe a little bigger | Aug 10 00:21 |
| cubevector | it seemed big at the time :) | Aug 10 00:21 |
| _Goblin | my A1200 had a 20meg hd. | Aug 10 00:21 |
| _Goblin | and I wondered how I would fill it. | Aug 10 00:21 |
| cubevector | 48 meg actually | Aug 10 00:21 |
| cubevector | you still have the 1200? | Aug 10 00:23 |
| _Goblin | yep | Aug 10 00:23 |
| _Goblin | and also an a500 | Aug 10 00:23 |
| _Goblin | I missed out on a 4000 by a few minutes | Aug 10 00:23 |
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| cubevector | all the AROS videos have guys with british accents :) | Aug 10 00:25 |
| cubevector | or European | Aug 10 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Is ACORN dead yet? | Aug 10 00:26 |
| cubevector | North America is like Microsoftland, it's really bad | Aug 10 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Heck my school had a major virus out breaks in the days of sneaker net. | Aug 10 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie floppy to floppy viruses | Aug 10 00:26 |
| cubevector | yeah the 3.5" disks | Aug 10 00:26 |
| _Goblin | but as a home user...write protect and no HD's were common... | Aug 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | 5 1/4 of course | Aug 10 00:27 |
| cubevector | the trouble with AmigaOS is it's closed source | Aug 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | I am not old enough for the 8 inches | Aug 10 00:27 |
| MinceR | not the only one :> | Aug 10 00:27 |
| cubevector | ah, I have some 8" disks :) | Aug 10 00:27 |
| cubevector | from the plato era | Aug 10 00:27 |
| _Goblin | yep.... | Aug 10 00:27 |
| oiaohm | Do you have any 12" disks | Aug 10 00:27 |
| _Goblin | no.. | Aug 10 00:28 |
| cubevector | no, never even heard of 12" | Aug 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | My old school as 8 of them. | Aug 10 00:28 |
| cubevector | 12 floppies? | Aug 10 00:28 |
| MinceR | do they have 12 8" floppies? :> | Aug 10 00:28 |
| MinceR | +also | Aug 10 00:28 |
| cubevector | 12" floppies I mean | Aug 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | Orginal IBM XT with IBM 12.8 floppies | Aug 10 00:28 |
| oiaohm | 8 megs a disk. | Aug 10 00:28 |
| cubevector | umm | Aug 10 00:29 |
| oiaohm | Its all three disk 8 12 and 5 and 1/4 drive | Aug 10 00:29 |
| oiaohm | It even has a ibm external harddrive. | Aug 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | That is as big as the main computer box. | Aug 10 00:30 |
| oiaohm | Some things that turn up in schools. | Aug 10 00:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei-pKsNiINk | Aug 10 00:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Stephen Hawking discusses his stint on 'The Simpsons',‎ .::. Size~: 98.84 KB | Aug 10 00:31 |
| cubevector | odd how wikipedia doesn't know about 12" floppies | Aug 10 00:31 |
| cubevector | my understanding is IBM invented the 8" drives in 1969 | Aug 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | They are rare and a limited expermental run. | Aug 10 00:32 |
| oiaohm | Ie 12 inch drives were never in mass production. | Aug 10 00:32 |
| cubevector | ah I see | Aug 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | Major issue with them is getting bent. | Aug 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | They are soft cased. | Aug 10 00:33 |
| cubevector | I can't even remember the cable for 8" now | Aug 10 00:33 |
| oiaohm | 8 inch fit in a standard cardboard folder so could be caried safely. | Aug 10 00:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Past midnight and past thirty degree C. In a few hours begins one of the most, if not THE, important days of my life. | Aug 10 00:34 | |
| cubevector | Commodore had a monsterous dual 8 inch floppy drive | Aug 10 00:34 |
| oiaohm | All 8 inch drive systems were dual that I have seen. | Aug 10 00:35 |
| cubevector | all the early stuff I remember used 1/4 inch cassette tape drives | Aug 10 00:35 |
| cubevector | like the first PET | Aug 10 00:35 |
| cubevector | oh interesting | Aug 10 00:35 |
| cubevector | yeah Control Data had one, my 8" disks are Control Data disks | Aug 10 00:36 |
| cubevector | not sure who made the actually disk drive though | Aug 10 00:36 |
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| cubevector | on early vic-20 machines the drives were a real luxury | Aug 10 00:37 |
| cubevector | only the rich kids had them :) | Aug 10 00:37 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb3: Sorry missed your message, because its a very underated distro....Sabayon is to Gentoo what Ubuntu is to Debian.. Sabayon is a surprisingly simple to use distro and great option for me to install on new users machines. | Aug 10 00:37 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: uhmm | Aug 10 00:38 |
| cubevector | mine are DSDD I think, let me check | Aug 10 00:38 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb3: and it looks great too....(which is often a draw for new users) | Aug 10 00:38 |
| sebsebseb3 | yeah I know Sabayon islike a easy version of Gentoo | Aug 10 00:38 |
| sebsebseb3 | however I don't really think its a good distro to install on new users comments | Aug 10 00:38 |
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| sebsebseb3 | computers, not comments above | Aug 10 00:38 |
| oiaohm | I think you just insulted Sabayon _Goblin | Aug 10 00:39 |
| sebsebseb3 | from some of the stuff I have read about it | Aug 10 00:39 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: ? | Aug 10 00:39 |
| sebsebseb3 | plus apparently the repos aren't that big either | Aug 10 00:39 |
| cubevector | MBASIC lol | Aug 10 00:39 |
| MinceR | gn | Aug 10 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Sabayon upstreams very will Ubuntu always has been poor at it. _Goblin | Aug 10 00:39 |
| cubevector | CDC Double Side, double density, record length 256 bytes, 26 sectors | Aug 10 00:39 |
| oiaohm | Now what is a sub branch of the debian tree that upstreams well. | Aug 10 00:40 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm, I suppose its horses for course but for default packaging, initial setup (and the fact that many users have rather generic, simple needs) Sabayon is IMO a good choice and its certainly speedy.. | Aug 10 00:41 |
| cubevector | 500K maybe? | Aug 10 00:41 |
| cubevector | can't remember now | Aug 10 00:41 |
| _Goblin | looking at Ubuntu though you can see why that is a favorite. | Aug 10 00:41 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: its a favourite since the amount of hype there has been for it since 2004 | Aug 10 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Really I am helping a few ubuntu users get off Ubuntu and move to debian | Aug 10 00:42 |
| sebsebseb3 | and how it used to be very good, not quite the case anymore | Aug 10 00:42 |
| cubevector | guess that was from the CP/M era | Aug 10 00:42 |
| oiaohm | They are annoyed that my system is many times more stable then theries | Aug 10 00:42 |
| cubevector | yeah, I bet everybody wants to talk about that :) | Aug 10 00:42 |
| oiaohm | And I am running debian sid | Aug 10 00:42 |
| _Goblin | true, but then for all the users Ive spoken with they have been very pleased and had a simple and painfree entry into linux. | Aug 10 00:42 |
| sebsebseb3 | 10.04 is horrible! | Aug 10 00:42 |
| sebsebseb3 | most of their users don't know that though | Aug 10 00:42 |
| _Goblin | and how else will Linux challenge the dominance of MS without a little hype? | Aug 10 00:42 |
| sebsebseb3 | I can't recommend 10.04 to anyone | Aug 10 00:43 |
| oiaohm | The plan is simple _Goblin | Aug 10 00:43 |
| cubevector | uh, it's doing that already | Aug 10 00:44 |
| sebsebseb3 | since the Plymouth issues, but also features I don't like | Aug 10 00:44 |
| MinceR | can't they hype the good distros? | Aug 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Take control of the mobile space. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| cubevector | phones, pdas, hdtvs, routers, you name it | Aug 10 00:44 |
| _Goblin | it depends who you talk to. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Once you have control of that you have a platform to take out the desktop. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| sebsebseb3 | MinceR: Ubuntu is no longer a good distro though, well not 10.04 in my experinceanyway | Aug 10 00:44 |
| cubevector | Linux is bigtime | Aug 10 00:44 |
| _Goblin | I speak to people who have big issues with Ubuntu. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| _Goblin | I personally have none. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Since mobile devices will have to be supported. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| sebsebseb3 | MinceR: and not just, because of features I didn't like, actsaul problems with it | Aug 10 00:44 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb3: that's my point | Aug 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | You should spend time in the wine support channel _Goblin | Aug 10 00:44 |
| _Goblin | I know many people who champion Mandriva....I had more problems with that than my slackware distro of choice. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| cubevector | there's tons and tons of stuff to try now :) | Aug 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Lot of things Ubuntu does makes our life hard. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| cubevector | try something different | Aug 10 00:44 |
| sebsebseb3 | I think thats a pretty bad thing really, when an upgrade from 9.10, works alright, except for the Plymouth issue, but then all of a sudden, refuses to let anyone log in | Aug 10 00:44 |
| oiaohm | I really do wish pulseaudio would die. | Aug 10 00:44 |
| sebsebseb3 | what happended? updates weren't installed | Aug 10 00:44 |
| cubevector | it's upgradeotosis :) | Aug 10 00:44 |
| _Goblin | I haven't used Ubuntu regarly since 8.04 (although a couple of rigs around the house do have it on there) | Aug 10 00:44 |
| cubevector | you had a working system, but can't stop upgrading :) | Aug 10 00:45 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: The other non Ubuntu distros apparently do pulseaudio a bit better. | Aug 10 00:45 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: and yeah not distros that are Ubuntu based | Aug 10 00:45 |
| oiaohm | Does matter with wine Ubuntu based are the worse with pulseaudio | Aug 10 00:45 |
| _Goblin | but I am happy with recommending and installing from others because out of the 46 installs (that people have kept) Ive yet to have to perform any remedial work with an Ubuntu deployment. | Aug 10 00:45 |
| oiaohm | But wine just loves busting pulseaudio into a million bits. | Aug 10 00:45 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: I am on a 9.10 Live CD right now on holiday in Ireland, and wow jono I am likeing it, I used to really dislike 9.10 when it was the latest | Aug 10 00:45 |
| sebsebseb3 | now I quite dislike 10.04 instead | Aug 10 00:46 |
| sebsebseb3 | and much more so | Aug 10 00:46 |
| cubevector | you don't want pulseaudio? Just use vector then | Aug 10 00:46 |
| oiaohm | I run debian without it cubevector | Aug 10 00:46 |
| oiaohm | And its happy. | Aug 10 00:46 |
| cubevector | you want KDE 3.5.10? vector again | Aug 10 00:46 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: so for now KUbuntu has a nice advantage over Ubuntu | Aug 10 00:46 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: no Pulseaudio by default, but for 10.10 they will have as default | Aug 10 00:46 |
| oiaohm | But Kubuntu its removalable even 10.10 | Aug 10 00:47 |
| sebsebseb3 | apparently according to one of the community members, its fine in Kubuntu, well thats basically what she said | Aug 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Without upsetting the audio configuration tools. | Aug 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu gnome tweekers should be shot. | Aug 10 00:47 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: Ubuntu is becoming much more of its own thing, this is only the start | Aug 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | Only gnome platform removing pulseaudio that causes major issues. | Aug 10 00:47 |
| oiaohm | And they have not learnt the leason of history. | Aug 10 00:48 |
| _Goblin | Ive looked at 10.04 myself and if Im honest, the only reason I don't use it is because I want to think of myself as l33t by staying slack. If im honest, I cannot think of a reason not to use Ubuntu.... | Aug 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Remember mandriva already tried that sebsebseb3 | Aug 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | So did redhat. | Aug 10 00:48 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: yep, and Linspire? | Aug 10 00:48 |
| sebsebseb3 | Linspire/Lindows | Aug 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Being you own thing becomes way too much work load. | Aug 10 00:48 |
| sebsebseb3 | maybe even Xanros? | Aug 10 00:48 |
| sebsebseb3 | Xandros | Aug 10 00:48 |
| MinceR | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS10-046.mspx | Aug 10 00:48 |
| cubevector | leet :) | Aug 10 00:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS10-046 - Critical: Vulnerability in Windows Shell Could Allow Remote Code Execution (2286198) .::. Size~: 161.22 KB | Aug 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | No linspire and xandros worked better with upstream. | Aug 10 00:48 |
| oiaohm | At first. | Aug 10 00:49 |
| sebsebseb3 | oh? | Aug 10 00:49 |
| oiaohm | When they run out of funds then they were failing to upstream. | Aug 10 00:49 |
| oiaohm | Its a sign of a distribution in trouble if it cannot upstream effectively. | Aug 10 00:49 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: Use whatever distro you want to use, there isn't really anything cool about using the terminal/shell/konsole loads, even though some Linux geeks mght try and make you even think that there is | Aug 10 00:50 |
| oiaohm | Remember Redhat 8 sebsebseb3. Redhat supper lemon. | Aug 10 00:50 |
| oiaohm | They tried going it alone. | Aug 10 00:50 |
| cubevector | ah, it's good to use the shell | Aug 10 00:50 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: I used to love Ubuntu, second release in 2005 untill 8.10. and yeah not my first distro | Aug 10 00:50 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: then things went a bit uh for me | Aug 10 00:50 |
| oiaohm | History tells as the more Ubuntu goes alone the more unstable Ubuntu will become. | Aug 10 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Its the more eyes issue. | Aug 10 00:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @hound @rysiek: @ruiseabra: or want "freedom" with "clean" go #trisquel or #gnewsense | Aug 10 00:51 | |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: 9.04 it was just one little thing or two | Aug 10 00:51 |
| cubevector | leet is rxvt with 486 :) | Aug 10 00:51 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: 9.10 a little bit more, not completly Ubuntu's fault either | Aug 10 00:51 |
| oiaohm | 9.10 was ubuntu fault. | Aug 10 00:52 |
| oiaohm | and that fault has kept on going sebsebseb3 | Aug 10 00:52 |
| sebsebseb3 | and then 10.04, the two new half baked themes, and features such as Ubuntu One and the Ubuntu Music Store that I don't want to use, and features that for me are rather pointless such as the indicator applet and uh. | Aug 10 00:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @lxoliva @ruiseabra what if we replaced copyright law with positive portability and right-to-fix-and-share laws? http://ur1.ca/11avb ... | Aug 10 00:52 | |
| sebsebseb3 | well 9.10 has the indicatoer applet as well | Aug 10 00:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Portabilidad del Software .::. Size~: 17 KB | Aug 10 00:52 |
| cubevector | right, don't use Ubuntu then :-P | Aug 10 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Being first with features does not mean you will be the best. | Aug 10 00:52 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: I meant, GDM 2 and Grub 2 I dislike them | Aug 10 00:52 |
| cubevector | it's not even on my radar | Aug 10 00:52 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: however Ubuntu could have made GDM 2 look nicer | Aug 10 00:52 |
| sebsebseb3 | and same for Grub 2 | Aug 10 00:52 |
| sebsebseb3 | and by default :) | Aug 10 00:53 |
| _Goblin | cubevector: I have this thing about people calling themselves "l33t" I mean it in jest, since it seems to be "l337" you need to make life as difficult as possible... | Aug 10 00:53 |
| cubevector | I don't use the term myself | Aug 10 00:53 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: and I didn't like xplash when 9.10 was the latest | Aug 10 00:53 |
| oiaohm | 1337 of course _Goblin | Aug 10 00:53 |
| _Goblin | for example, Im currently running from the command line standing on one head feeding instructions into my cardboard homemade PC with punched card. | Aug 10 00:53 |
| sebsebseb3 | and now I think its better than Plymouth in 10.04, becvause of the amount of issues with that | Aug 10 00:53 |
| cubevector | _Goblin, I can't really just use grunt and point interfaces | Aug 10 00:54 |
| cubevector | leetness aside :) | Aug 10 00:54 |
| _Goblin | *my not one.....I only have one head. | Aug 10 00:54 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: however 9.10 offers me no proper advantage over 9.04 | Aug 10 00:54 |
| oiaohm | As linux matures the advantage between distrobutions will fade. | Aug 10 00:54 |
| oiaohm | All that will be left is how stable. | Aug 10 00:54 |
| cubevector | they do one thing wrong... | Aug 10 00:55 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: Ubuntu wants more users | Aug 10 00:55 |
| _Goblin | I hope not....its always good fun looking for "the ultimate distro" | Aug 10 00:55 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: Canonical wants to make money | Aug 10 00:55 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: and so, they are starting to do a lot more stuff on their own | Aug 10 00:55 |
| cubevector | no one wants to support old hardware | Aug 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Just like early redhat sebsebseb3 | Aug 10 00:55 |
| sebsebseb3 | cubevector: not even Canonical I guess | Aug 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Its history repeating sebsebseb3 | Aug 10 00:55 |
| cubevector | so things like memory requirements get more and more bloato | Aug 10 00:55 |
| sebsebseb3 | cubevector: 10.10 won't have support for | Aug 10 00:55 |
| oiaohm | people forget redhat forked gcc at one point. sebsebseb3 | Aug 10 00:55 |
| sebsebseb3 | cubevector: 1386 or whatever it was | Aug 10 00:55 |
| sebsebseb3 | cubevector: I mean the old proccessors or whatever | Aug 10 00:56 |
| cubevector | right, no reason we can't have 386 distros | Aug 10 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically Canonical is making the same mistakes as early redhat. sebsebseb3 | Aug 10 00:56 |
| oiaohm | If they wake up get upstream systems working there stablity will come back. sebsebseb3 | Aug 10 00:57 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: well one popular distro dies or messes up, there are pretty much always good alternatives :) | Aug 10 00:57 |
| _Goblin | I think Canonical will have to upset established Linux users in order to make it into the "mainstrem" | Aug 10 00:57 |
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| _Goblin | they are just not going to attract the average jo otherwise... | Aug 10 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Why do people move to Linux _Goblin | Aug 10 00:57 |
| oiaohm | Stablity and Virus free most of the time. | Aug 10 00:57 |
| cubevector | they're not happy with their current OS | Aug 10 00:57 |
| cubevector | I'd say | Aug 10 00:57 |
| _Goblin | not in all cases oiaohm... | Aug 10 00:58 |
| oiaohm | Why are they not happy with windows. | Aug 10 00:58 |
| *sebsebseb3 thinks 10.10 will be better on the netbook, but probably won't really, really, really, suck on the desktop, otherwise good luck to jono in a way, telling people how great it is | Aug 10 00:58 | |
| oiaohm | Windows is not the most stable thing. | Aug 10 00:58 |
| cubevector | also FOSS is nice to have | Aug 10 00:58 |
| _Goblin | you forget the level of ignorance that the average joe can have.... | Aug 10 00:58 |
| oiaohm | And it gets infected. | Aug 10 00:58 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: yep indeed | Aug 10 00:58 |
| _Goblin | they have no interest in how or why a pc works, who made the software etc etc... | Aug 10 00:58 |
| oiaohm | For ease of use Ubuntu is giving up a big selling cards. | Aug 10 00:58 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: indeed, which makes me wonder about my older brother | Aug 10 00:58 |
| _Goblin | they want it to do a job and are quite happy to upgrade or repair if things go wrong. | Aug 10 00:58 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: he is moving out properly soon, and wants a lap top as a result | Aug 10 00:59 |
| sebsebseb3 | since his old one is broke | Aug 10 00:59 |
| sebsebseb3 | and he has used Ubuntu, and Mandriva, on our family computer | Aug 10 00:59 |
| _Goblin | balance that with MS's ad budget....and you can see why that Canonical can not just sit back and hope for the best. | Aug 10 00:59 |
| sebsebseb3 | and he started to use Ubuntu on there, after XP messed up big time | Aug 10 00:59 |
| sebsebseb3 | and then Ubuntu messed up and I put Mandriva on instead anyway | Aug 10 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Problem is Canonical biggest threat to there new users is android. | Aug 10 00:59 |
| sebsebseb3 | anyway he wants Desktop Linux on the lap top, but he only does really basic stuff, and isn't really a computer person | Aug 10 01:00 |
| sebsebseb3 | so I am wondering about the distro at the moment, I am thinking PC LInux OS at the moment, even though I haven't virtual machine tried it properly | Aug 10 01:00 |
| oiaohm | People are going to get use to items being stable. | Aug 10 01:00 |
| oiaohm | As Linux market share goes up. | Aug 10 01:00 |
| sebsebseb3 | since I know a guy online whos packing for it, and yeah rolling release, apt RPM, Synaptic, Mandriva Control Centre :) | Aug 10 01:00 |
| sebsebseb3 | none of this spend loads of time upgrading after six or so months | Aug 10 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu gets away with being usable because users are coming across from windows. | Aug 10 01:01 |
| sebsebseb3 | and yeah it may be a dabmore user friendly than Mandriva :D | Aug 10 01:01 |
| cubevector | I might give one of the BSDs another go | Aug 10 01:01 |
| oiaohm | unable unstable | Aug 10 01:01 |
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| cubevector | windows is just slow | Aug 10 01:01 |
| _Goblin | You can be assured though that whichever distro is responsible for bringing a chunk of windows users over, it will immediately be un-popular with some Linux users. | Aug 10 01:01 |
| cubevector | a big bloated festering pile :) | Aug 10 01:01 |
| oiaohm | BSD is also becoming slow compared to Linux. | Aug 10 01:01 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: Ubuntu gets away with its bad hardware compatability,compared quite a few other distros, because of the amount of ignorance | Aug 10 01:01 |
| sebsebseb3 | and actsaully no they don't really get away with it | Aug 10 01:02 |
| _Goblin | I will probably be shot down for saying this but....... | Aug 10 01:02 |
| sebsebseb3 | ,because loads of the users that got such problems after first tryingUBuntu, go back to WIndowsor OS X | Aug 10 01:02 |
| sebsebseb3 | bye bye Ubuntu | Aug 10 01:02 |
| cubevector | oh? why is BSD becoming slow? | Aug 10 01:02 |
| oiaohm | _Goblin: history says no about Microsoft users. | Aug 10 01:02 |
| sebsebseb3 | and this effects the whole of Desktop Linux gaining a more proper market share | Aug 10 01:02 |
| sebsebseb3 | whatever the distro | Aug 10 01:02 |
| oiaohm | _Goblin: Redhat did the first major push over Desktop Linux | Aug 10 01:02 |
| oiaohm | And was flooded with Microsoft users and was not hated because of it _Goblin | Aug 10 01:02 |
| sebsebseb3 | average computer people, want it all to just work | Aug 10 01:02 |
| cubevector | old Redhat was fine | Aug 10 01:03 |
| sebsebseb3 | and Ubuntu will let them down a lot of the time, for the just works | Aug 10 01:03 |
| _Goblin | In my experience and observations of human behaviour, I am of the opinion that for many Linux users who promote Linux as the OS of choice over Windows, it would be devastating for them if it did happen. I think many of Linux community like the uniqueness of being a Linux user..... | Aug 10 01:03 |
| sebsebseb3 | I am on about hardwarecompatability | Aug 10 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Sorry no it would not be devastating _Goblin | Aug 10 01:03 |
| _Goblin | not for all... | Aug 10 01:03 |
| cubevector | not at all, as a tax payer I'd be happy to see the schools save $$$ switching to Linux | Aug 10 01:04 |
| _Goblin | I certainly wouldn't say anyone here... | Aug 10 01:04 |
| _Goblin | however.... | Aug 10 01:04 |
| oiaohm | When you have a room full of Linux users they move onto distrobution wars. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:04 |
| sebsebseb3 | and heh heh, people go on about how user friendly Ubuntu is! Oh yeah? Wheres the nice graphical control centre for configuring the system? Yes the one Mandriva and PC LInux OS has, which Ubuntu could actsauly use as well,because of the lissense, apparnatly. | Aug 10 01:04 |
| oiaohm | Ie what could be done to make distributions better. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:04 |
| cubevector | if I wanted to be leet I'd switch to MenuetOS :) | Aug 10 01:04 |
| oiaohm | And what distributions are better. | Aug 10 01:04 |
| _Goblin | no matter what you think of Ubuntu, shouldn't it be championed whatever it does if it is bringing people to Linux. | Aug 10 01:04 |
| oiaohm | No _Goblin | Aug 10 01:04 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: it brings them to Linux, but | Aug 10 01:05 |
| sebsebseb3 | now days to an extent it wlil try and lock them in to Ubuntu as well | Aug 10 01:05 |
| oiaohm | If in the process it gives people the idea that Linux fails on hardware where it should not its bad for Linux. | Aug 10 01:05 |
| sebsebseb3 | yep Ubuntu One and the music store | Aug 10 01:05 |
| cubevector | it's not like windows is this perfect thing where everything works 100% of the time | Aug 10 01:05 |
| cubevector | that's an illusion | Aug 10 01:05 |
| _Goblin | but a user with Ubuntu is surely better than one with Windows, how is that more or less of a lock in (if indeed Canonical does that) | Aug 10 01:05 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: indeed | Aug 10 01:05 |
| _Goblin | you see I make no bones about what I think about Linux. | Aug 10 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu failure to work upstream also effects long term development of the Linux world. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:05 |
| _Goblin | I do not want mass migration to linux | Aug 10 01:05 |
| _Goblin | I never have. | Aug 10 01:05 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: thats a bad thing, when Ubuntu doesn't just work or very nearly just work, with the user just having to do a wizard or something. where as another distro no problem, with that hardware, or really easy to have working | Aug 10 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Ie taking money from the core. | Aug 10 01:06 |
| cubevector | _Goblin, how about an Amiga comeback instead? :) | Aug 10 01:06 |
| sebsebseb3 | oh | Aug 10 01:06 |
| _Goblin | yep, but not a market dominating one. | Aug 10 01:06 |
| sebsebseb3 | oh #ubuntu is sad really most of the time | Aug 10 01:06 |
| cubevector | so basically you want no one to dominate the market? | Aug 10 01:06 |
| _Goblin | yep | Aug 10 01:06 |
| sebsebseb3 | loads of people with issues with Ubuntu, that can be solved easilly by another distro | Aug 10 01:06 |
| _Goblin | in an ideal (and highly unprobable world) I would like an equal deployment of all platforms. | Aug 10 01:07 |
| _Goblin | *inprobable | Aug 10 01:07 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: I want a distro to have good hardware support, and Ubuntu is not that | Aug 10 01:07 |
| _Goblin | but then in my experience it is. | Aug 10 01:07 |
| cubevector | yeah, it was like that in the 80s | Aug 10 01:07 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: wireless, ATI, and sound | Aug 10 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Its not that we hate Ubuntu as such. We want then to do the things that will give them a distrobution we can be proud of. | Aug 10 01:07 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: those are the three main hardware issues for Ubuntu | Aug 10 01:08 |
| _Goblin | I have not had any problems with the deployments Ive made to new users....the same cannot be said for Mandriva. | Aug 10 01:08 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: Pulseaudio seems to be better in other distros, and in Mandrivaand PC Linux OS can just disable it in the control centre | Aug 10 01:08 |
| sebsebseb3 | wireless didn't just work? | Aug 10 01:08 |
| sebsebseb3 | ok try Mandriva | Aug 10 01:08 |
| sebsebseb3 | no still not working? | Aug 10 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Mandriva has not recoved from there mistake. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:08 |
| _Goblin | if I found a problem I would be the first to say....whilst I don't use Ubuntu myself, I cannot find fault in it from personal experience | Aug 10 01:08 |
| sebsebseb3 | ok try PC Linux OS, It just worked? Or was really easy to get working? Yep | Aug 10 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Mandriva was where Ubuntu was many years ago. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie pre 2000 _Goblin | Aug 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem us old hands have seen this all before _Goblin | Aug 10 01:09 |
| sebsebseb3 | ok so Mandriva and PC Linux OS won't support all wirelesses either, but out of the two from my experience of helping some people | Aug 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is just another repeat. | Aug 10 01:09 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb3: Im sure PC Linux OS is, howver Ive stuck with Ubuntu as a recommendation since I know I get favorable results...as soon as that stops happening I'll choose another. | Aug 10 01:09 |
| sebsebseb3 | PC LInux OS is the better out of the three distros, when it comes to wirelesss support | Aug 10 01:09 |
| oiaohm | At some point the distribution targeting new users has to take it serounly. | Aug 10 01:09 |
| sebsebseb3 | for example | Aug 10 01:09 |
| sebsebseb3 | someone had a wireless that didn't just work in Ubuntu | Aug 10 01:10 |
| oiaohm | And go after quality not coolness | Aug 10 01:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | I suggested they tried Mandriva,where they also coudn't just get it working,but with PC Linux OS | Aug 10 01:10 |
| _Goblin | and Canonical will have to be very aggressive if it is to be seen as an alternative to Windows. | Aug 10 01:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | it was really easy for them to get it working | Aug 10 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem is Ubuntu wants to be flashy. | Aug 10 01:10 |
| oiaohm | So they include stuff before its ready. | Aug 10 01:10 |
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| oiaohm | And stuff users will not use. | Aug 10 01:10 |
| _Goblin | nothing wrong with that...its what attracts many users. | Aug 10 01:10 |
| sebsebseb3 | also last year, at leastsomeone, on Ubuntu with no working wirless, worked fine with Mandriva | Aug 10 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Really no _Goblin | Aug 10 01:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: indeed, pulseaudio for 8.04 or at least the way Ubuntu put it in | Aug 10 01:11 |
| oiaohm | I have many who hate Ubuntu and hate Linux due to the flashy stuff. | Aug 10 01:11 |
| _Goblin | I think we forget Canonical is in it to make money (which is fine) good intentions and praise are not going to keep it in business, money is | Aug 10 01:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | oiaohm: and Plymouth for 10.04, well the way Ubuntu put it in | Aug 10 01:11 |
| oiaohm | pulseaudio is still being debuged. | Aug 10 01:11 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: most of the software Ubuntu runs wasn't made by them | Aug 10 01:11 |
| oiaohm | And still does not run stable. sebsebseb3 | Aug 10 01:11 |
| _Goblin | yes, so? | Aug 10 01:12 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: and so they are going to try and make money, out of the contributions of loads of other people | Aug 10 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Heck the hacks you had to do so it even partly worked were extream in the 8.04 time frame. | Aug 10 01:12 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: whilst hardly giving anything back to upstream | Aug 10 01:12 |
| _Goblin | but that well within the GPL | Aug 10 01:12 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: and they can offer their Gnome changes, but upstream don't want that | Aug 10 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Giving back upstream with all distributions have proven important _Goblin | Aug 10 01:12 |
| _Goblin | so then maybe thats a flaw in the GPL, Canonical are not doing anything wrong. | Aug 10 01:12 |
| sebsebseb3 | _Goblin: and remember that bruce guy? This stuff really gets at him | Aug 10 01:12 |
| oiaohm | The ones that fail to give back upstream end up dead. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:12 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: I wouldn't dispute that... | Aug 10 01:12 |
| oiaohm | Question is how long. | Aug 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Why do they end up dead. | Aug 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Simple there developer pool ends up over stressed. | Aug 10 01:13 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: that maybe the case, or it may not....but thats a decision for Canonical. | Aug 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | It will be the case. | Aug 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Even a big company like google. | Aug 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Cannot affort to maintain a fork of the Linux kernel. | Aug 10 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Instead they have to merge upstream to reduce their overhead. | Aug 10 01:14 |
| _Goblin | but I am sure Canonical has considered this and if we are talking about "giving" regardless of what they have given upstream, they certainly have a massive community of users who love using their product. | Aug 10 01:14 |
| oiaohm | If google cannot do it. Canonical does not stand a chance. | Aug 10 01:14 |
| _Goblin | but then that would be Canonical's look out. | Aug 10 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Canonical is being foolish. | Aug 10 01:15 |
| _Goblin | In the meantime, Ubuntu has introduced many people to a much easier computing experience than windows. | Aug 10 01:15 |
| _Goblin | and its also retained many long term Linux users. | Aug 10 01:15 |
| oiaohm | It costs from google own numbers 20 times the man hours to maintain not being upstream. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:15 |
| oiaohm | So you better be dead sure that something is important enough not to upstream. | Aug 10 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Because its cost is insane. | Aug 10 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Note that 20 times cost comes form upstream updating and breaking your code base over and over again. | Aug 10 01:16 |
| _Goblin | but lets say Canonical have got it right...then they are happy and if they get it wrong, the next big name distro will hopefully take note and do things differently. | Aug 10 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I know without question they have it wrong. | Aug 10 01:17 |
| oiaohm | History is littered with BSD and Linux's that have made the same mistake over and over again. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:17 |
| _Goblin | to be fair, I cannot comment on what Canonical does or does not contribute...I havent looked into it fully. It would be wrong of me to either defend or challenge what they have or have not given back | Aug 10 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Even worse Canonical uses the same arguements as redhat before they learnt better and other dead ones did. | Aug 10 01:18 |
| oiaohm | We cannot share because we will lose our uniqueness. | Aug 10 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Sorry Uniqueness is leathal. | Aug 10 01:19 |
| oiaohm | When its not 100 percent unique. | Aug 10 01:19 |
| _Goblin | but like I say, if they are not violating the GPL, then is it really our place to comment on their business ethics or choices? History will tell if their decisions were correct. | Aug 10 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you want unique make projects that are truely independant projects suffer no pain. | Aug 10 01:20 |
| oiaohm | As soon as you have a upstream above you trying to turn that unique will always cause pain. | Aug 10 01:20 |
| _Goblin | but I do think if they keep the Linux "in the know" folks happy, then they would have no chance whatsoever in hitting the mainstream or offering an alternative that the average jo would notice as he/she is being hammered by MS PR. | Aug 10 01:20 |
| oiaohm | _Goblin: I am already seeing the rot. | Aug 10 01:21 |
| _Goblin | Let me cite an example... | Aug 10 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Where stablity is suffering. | Aug 10 01:21 |
| _Goblin | gnewsense.... | Aug 10 01:21 |
| _Goblin | advocated by the FSF and RMS (I believe) | Aug 10 01:21 |
| oiaohm | This is precuser all the Linux that have made the same mistake. | Aug 10 01:21 |
| _Goblin | and it has zero chance of mainstream takeup. | Aug 10 01:21 |
| oiaohm | That is the other thing Ubuntu people do to protect pull out items like gnewsense | Aug 10 01:22 |
| oiaohm | I am comparing commerical to commerical not expermental stuff _Goblin | Aug 10 01:22 |
| oiaohm | gnewsense is no more than a experment. | Aug 10 01:22 |
| _Goblin | and thats a fair comment, but Im using it more to example marketing ethos. | Aug 10 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Never targeting to be mainstream. | Aug 10 01:23 |
| _Goblin | kind words, praise and good intentions will not have people flocking from Windows. | Aug 10 01:23 |
| _Goblin | sad but true I think.... | Aug 10 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Not true. | Aug 10 01:24 |
| _Goblin | we are talking about a mainstream audience that pays money for a fart app on the iphone. | Aug 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | gnewsense is an extreamist idea. | Aug 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | No closed source at all is a really hard thing to pull off. | Aug 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Just like no open source is a really hard thing to pull off. | Aug 10 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Both are extreamist ideas. | Aug 10 01:25 |
| oiaohm | Both will fail if you try to force them on people. | Aug 10 01:25 |
| _Goblin | yes, I'd agree...but the point was, the way to "win" is going to involve comprise and bit of both worlds....I don't see Canonical as extremist and think it is rather in the middle. | Aug 10 01:25 |
| oiaohm | There is comprise and then there is setting up a event that you will not have the resources to maintain what you have done. | Aug 10 01:26 |
| oiaohm | So fail your customers. | Aug 10 01:26 |
| oiaohm | And give Linux another black eye. | Aug 10 01:26 |
| oiaohm | We have had enough of companies making that mistake. | Aug 10 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Customers must be first Canonical will fail there customers unless they improve their upstream work. | Aug 10 01:27 |
| _Goblin | see one of the reasons I can't buy Canonical making a mistake is because surely this has been discussed many times before in house with experts that certainly know more about the distro world than me...I fail to see Canonical missing something which happens to have been brought up in a conversation in IRC. | Aug 10 01:27 |
| _Goblin | having said that... | Aug 10 01:28 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm, you could well be right... | Aug 10 01:28 |
| oiaohm | I know the symtoms | Aug 10 01:28 |
| _Goblin | but thats for history to decide and lets face it the IT world is full of surprises. | Aug 10 01:28 |
| oiaohm | As it starts happening stablity of the distribution reduces. | Aug 10 01:28 |
| _Goblin | who would have thought the Plurk/Juku incident would ever happen? | Aug 10 01:28 |
| _Goblin | or the Kin being killed so quickly. | Aug 10 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Redhat work up at redhat 8 upstreamed and by redhat 9 had turned most of the problem around. | Aug 10 01:29 |
| _Goblin | the disaster of the 360 and RROD | Aug 10 01:29 |
| oiaohm | By fedora core 5 redhat had relapsed. | Aug 10 01:29 |
| _Goblin | but don't you think Canonical have considered this? | Aug 10 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Woke up and inside 12 months had turned it back around again. | Aug 10 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Basically Canonical takes the right policies inside 12 months I could be prasing them. | Aug 10 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Its that fast to turn these failure to upstream problems around. | Aug 10 01:30 |
| _Goblin | It would be nice for Jono to comment next time he's here. | Aug 10 01:31 |
| oiaohm | That is while you still have developers to cope with the load. | Aug 10 01:31 |
| oiaohm | There is a point of no return. | Aug 10 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Once the load to turn around the failure to upstream gets too high. | Aug 10 01:31 |
| oiaohm | The distribution is basically dead and another will replace it. | Aug 10 01:31 |
| _Goblin | but who? | Aug 10 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Most of us old hands attacking Ubuntu are worried. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:32 |
| oiaohm | We don't want it dead. | Aug 10 01:32 |
| _Goblin | Im not concerned and Ive been around a long while too. | Aug 10 01:32 |
| oiaohm | I entered Linux in 1994 | Aug 10 01:33 |
| oiaohm | 1995 | Aug 10 01:33 |
| oiaohm | I only missed out on some of its early history. | Aug 10 01:33 |
| _Goblin | fairplay... I was A1200 at that time...but Ive seen my fair share over the years. | Aug 10 01:33 |
| oiaohm | But I had bsd before that. | Aug 10 01:33 |
| oiaohm | This rot plays out over 3 to 8 year time frame. | Aug 10 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Normally. | Aug 10 01:34 |
| _Goblin | but then I think we come from two different POV's since I do not want mass migration in the first place. | Aug 10 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Expections are able to get to about 15 years before it catche sup to them. | Aug 10 01:34 |
| oiaohm | The failure to upstream always catchs up. | Aug 10 01:34 |
| _Goblin | and I think platform relevance will stop being an issue in about 5 years. | Aug 10 01:35 |
| oiaohm | If I can get my ld.so replacement to work it will be way less than that. | Aug 10 01:35 |
| oiaohm | sign the binaries and have ld.so load parts accordly. | Aug 10 01:35 |
| oiaohm | All distributions in 1. | Aug 10 01:36 |
| _Goblin | I say 5 years since the "mainstream users" are slow to catch up... | Aug 10 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Basically I am planing end game. | Aug 10 01:36 |
| oiaohm | Not really that slow _Goblin | Aug 10 01:37 |
| oiaohm | Think of the uptake of android. | Aug 10 01:37 |
| oiaohm | good stable product can rise fast through the market. | Aug 10 01:37 |
| _Goblin | I look at the popular web techs and how long they were about before they hit saturation... | Aug 10 01:37 |
| _Goblin | Android is a little different IMO because its sold on the back of a flashy new phone. | Aug 10 01:38 |
| oiaohm | We don't have to wait that long. | Aug 10 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Why cannot Ubuntu be sold in some flashy new device. | Aug 10 01:38 |
| oiaohm | Work with hardware makers. | Aug 10 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | hmmmmmmmmmmm | Aug 10 01:38 |
| _Goblin | its easier to get the average user to change mobile platforms by offering a fancy up to date phone than it is to get them to change their desktop OS. | Aug 10 01:38 |
| _Goblin | (IMO) | Aug 10 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 10 01:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | they still 'think' of phones as something else | Aug 10 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | expect a different UI, feel | Aug 10 01:39 |
| _Goblin | agreed. | Aug 10 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Android is now appearing in bios's on laptops _Goblin | Aug 10 01:39 |
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| FurnaceBoy | in fact it can lead to confusion marketing 'linux phones' | Aug 10 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Intergrating into the hardware. | Aug 10 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | end users don't care | Aug 10 01:39 |
| _Goblin | Android but I thought we were talking about mainstream adoption of the Android platform. | Aug 10 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Aug 10 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | there has to be a new brand, like 'Android' | Aug 10 01:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | or 'iOS' (eww) | Aug 10 01:40 |
| _Goblin | as furnaceboy says, they don't care....that if they understand in the place. | Aug 10 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Android is being adopted everywhere. | Aug 10 01:40 |
| _Goblin | very true. | Aug 10 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | or... what's that free one | Aug 10 01:40 |
| oiaohm | But stablity is key to having hardware makers on side. | Aug 10 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | Moko | Aug 10 01:40 |
| oiaohm | Becuase hardware makers don't want there devices failing in demostrations by something they provide. | Aug 10 01:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Aug 10 01:40 |
| oiaohm | In case of windows they blame MS. | Aug 10 01:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Aug 10 01:41 |
| oiaohm | And don't adverstise it unless paid. | Aug 10 01:41 |
| _Goblin | I think if Phone users behaved like desktop customers we would have saturation of windows mob...even with its issues. | Aug 10 01:41 |
| oiaohm | In the case of android the hardware makers are doing the adverstisement because they trust it. | Aug 10 01:41 |
| _Goblin | Im running Android on my HTC Desire - very happy. | Aug 10 01:42 |
| _Goblin | although the MS HTC deal now seems to be obvious..... | Aug 10 01:42 |
| _Goblin | release Windows 7 mob on your flashy latest phone... | Aug 10 01:42 |
| _Goblin | and we won't go down the patent infringement route with you. | Aug 10 01:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Magical 7, like schestowitz | Aug 10 01:42 |
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| FurnaceBoy | said | Aug 10 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Basically blackmail _Goblin | Aug 10 01:43 |
| _Goblin | yep | Aug 10 01:43 |
| _Goblin | patent power! | Aug 10 01:43 |
| oiaohm | What means HTC does not spend money advertising the products either _Goblin | Aug 10 01:43 |
| _Goblin | and the frightening thing is, with HTC, win Mob has a chance. | Aug 10 01:43 |
| oiaohm | So yes HTC makes windows mobile but they spend more adveristing andorid. | Aug 10 01:43 |
| oiaohm | That don't threaten them | Aug 10 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Basically if Ubuntu plays it cards right it can have more advertisement than you deam. | Aug 10 01:44 |
| _Goblin | for fear of going off topic a second.... | Aug 10 01:44 |
| oiaohm | But stablity is key to getting the advertising. | Aug 10 01:44 |
| _Goblin | this is why I think Ballmer will not go in the near future. | Aug 10 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Really I don't want something like Android to be the most dominate OS alone. | Aug 10 01:45 |
| oiaohm | That could happen if groups like Ubuntu don't pick up there game. | Aug 10 01:45 |
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| _Goblin | after the Kin, if you had ballmer go before Win Mob 7 was established, you can forget all confidence in the products...Ballmer may be unpopular but at least he gives the illusion of direction. A new CEO would damage any of MS's new products. | Aug 10 01:45 |
| _Goblin | (IMO) | Aug 10 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft is doomed. | Aug 10 01:46 |
| _Goblin | nah not doomed... | Aug 10 01:46 |
| oiaohm | No new CEO is going to change this. | Aug 10 01:46 |
| _Goblin | downsized | Aug 10 01:46 |
| oiaohm | No doomed. | Aug 10 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Problem is Microsoft competion is running on advertising and support contracts. | Aug 10 01:46 |
| oiaohm | So hardware makers have to pay very little per device. | Aug 10 01:47 |
| _Goblin | I think its underestimated how many pies Microsoft has its fingers in. I cannot see a complete colapse of MS. | Aug 10 01:47 |
| _Goblin | people are still buying Office. Xbox has started to make a profit. | Aug 10 01:47 |
| oiaohm | I know how many pies Microsoft has fingers in. | Aug 10 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Office numbers are down. | Aug 10 01:47 |
| _Goblin | god, I sound like an MS advocate. | Aug 10 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Windows sales numbers are down. | Aug 10 01:47 |
| oiaohm | Xbox's only starting to make a profit but that market is not safe from an android style attack. | Aug 10 01:48 |
| _Goblin | But what im saying is that I think complete colapse is unlikely....downsizing, streamlining yes. | Aug 10 01:48 |
| oiaohm | I see colapse | Aug 10 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Particularly when you look at what android and other are planing. | Aug 10 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Xbox will have to face off against android devices in time. | Aug 10 01:48 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: and you are right...xbox may not be safe from an android style attack, but this is all conjecture and prediction at the present time. | Aug 10 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Google TV plans. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Include gaming. | Aug 10 01:49 |
| _Goblin | and would we want complete MS colapse? | Aug 10 01:49 |
| oiaohm | The attack is all ready written. | Aug 10 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Just has not happend yet. | Aug 10 01:50 |
| _Goblin | could it be a smaller more humble MS would be good for competition and inovation, benefiting the end-user/customer? | Aug 10 01:50 |
| oiaohm | They will fail. | Aug 10 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: I don't think the DNA survives 'downsizing'. | Aug 10 01:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: they don't have that flexibility, never needed it | Aug 10 01:51 |
| _Goblin | Im of the opinion that customers would not have got 7 so soon if it was not for alternatives.... | Aug 10 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Maintaining OS's and developing OS's take a lot of resoruces. | Aug 10 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: it's a business built around a money of gold - an empire | Aug 10 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | very fragile | Aug 10 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | river of gold* | Aug 10 01:51 |
| _Goblin | if Vista had been the only player out there, what incentive for MS to release 7? | Aug 10 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Linux development per year just on kernel is multi billion. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: Vista didn't damage them as much as one might expect. | Aug 10 01:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: which means the market is still very bent | Aug 10 01:51 |
| oiaohm | To compete gainst Linux stuff closed source you need multi billion to keep you development moving. | Aug 10 01:52 |
| _Goblin | maybe not, but did they release 7 earlier to stave off any major loss of future custom> | Aug 10 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. but they aren't competing. | Aug 10 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Where they have to compete they are failing. | Aug 10 01:52 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: RE: Empires...I recently wrote an article likening MS to the Roman Empire. | Aug 10 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: yeah | Aug 10 01:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: once the premises dry up,... collapse. | Aug 10 01:52 |
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| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: the rivers of gold | Aug 10 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft does not have the resources to put up a effective fight on mobile phones. | Aug 10 01:52 |
| oiaohm | Its only matter of time before they not have the resoruces to keep there desktop and server side up either. | Aug 10 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: attrition | Aug 10 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but there is no sign they have the ability to 'compete' | Aug 10 01:53 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: thats true, but then for Microsoft's future, I don't think the be all and end all is phones...maybe for Ballmers career it is. | Aug 10 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: never needed to | Aug 10 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: phones, search -- day late, dollar short -- and these aren't even the moneymakers | Aug 10 01:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: it's a pretty woeful record. and now the Microsoft Pad | Aug 10 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Problem is phones and desktop OS's are starting to overlap _Goblin | Aug 10 01:54 |
| oiaohm | So if MS cannot win in phones | Aug 10 01:54 |
| oiaohm | They could loss it all. | Aug 10 01:54 |
| _Goblin | yes...but if we are saying that is to the detriment of MS, then we could also say that would be to the detriment of the traditional desktop Linux. | Aug 10 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember phones forces Linux kernel to take up all the features Linux desktop has lacked. | Aug 10 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie good power management. Working graphical stacks and so on. | Aug 10 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Phones don't kill the Linux desktop. | Aug 10 01:55 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: you havent seen the HTC after a couple of hours of surfing | Aug 10 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Infact Phones make the Linux desktop a bigger threat. | Aug 10 01:56 |
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| _Goblin | oiaohm: then I can't see how they would be detrimental to MS per sa...there is nothing saying (at the moment) that Microsoft cannot pull something out of the bag. | Aug 10 01:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/19916032319 | Aug 10 01:57 |
| oiaohm | How. | Aug 10 01:57 |
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| _Goblin | Look at how well the PS3 was supposed to do...it never did...you can't predict anything in IT. | Aug 10 01:57 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: and if I knew that we could debate if MS had a chance. | Aug 10 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: principally: user-centric UI. | Aug 10 01:57 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's why Apple was ahead | Aug 10 01:57 |
| oiaohm | If you don't have the hardware makers you don't have a chance. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: the competition is SH1T | Aug 10 01:57 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: I just think that we've seen this doom prediction so many times in the past. | Aug 10 01:58 |
| oiaohm | Android has allowed the fake hardware makers to enter the game legally as well _Goblin | Aug 10 01:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: right, but it's not outlandish to suggest that the company is not structured to downsize, reorg, or compete. | Aug 10 01:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: the empire analogy is a strong one | Aug 10 01:58 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: but then Linux didn't see a surge in rogue PC manufactures shipping Linux and cleaning up... | Aug 10 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Doomed predictions you can never put a fixed time frame on. | Aug 10 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: if they survive it will be a radically different organism | Aug 10 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: not yet. but it would have been rational. | Aug 10 01:59 |
| oiaohm | Solaris is a classic example. _Goblin | Aug 10 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: the market is distorted beyond recognition | Aug 10 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yes | Aug 10 01:59 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: and thats why they are so convenient....everything goes eventually. A doom prediction can be proved right 50 years from now. | Aug 10 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: better tech, but 'meh' factor | Aug 10 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: don't worry, Oracle is making sure it's killed stone dead | Aug 10 02:00 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: I agree...and a smaller, humbler MS would be no bad thing | Aug 10 02:00 |
| oiaohm | The writing on the wall that MS is at there peak. | Aug 10 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: right | Aug 10 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: I just have trouble picturing it, knowing their history | Aug 10 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Unless they really find something they are going down hill. | Aug 10 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: well, they could do what everyone else does.. | Aug 10 02:00 |
| _Goblin | FurnaceBoy: I know what you mean and maybe MS would not survive being smaller, prefering an "all or nothing" scenario | Aug 10 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: make a product, see if someone buys it. | Aug 10 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Problem is Linux was never ready to truly compete against microsoft years ago. | Aug 10 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: instead of bribing and locking in | Aug 10 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Android can compete fairly on phones. | Aug 10 02:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: Magic 8-Ball says "big mess ahead" | Aug 10 02:01 |
| oiaohm | that is why it doing well. | Aug 10 02:01 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: and even today....product wise its streets ahead...unfortunately Microsoft has the PR budget to bury it and any praise from happy Linux users. | Aug 10 02:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is a distortion.. worst wins.. | Aug 10 02:01 |
| _Goblin | yep | Aug 10 02:01 |
| oiaohm | Not today _Goblin | Aug 10 02:01 |
| oiaohm | There are still gaps Open source world has not taken up. | Aug 10 02:02 |
| _Goblin | thats why I maintain that companies like Canonical may have to play dirty somewhat in order to be in with a chance. | Aug 10 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Like wizards in MS publisher. | Aug 10 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: here's that previous slam on Harper's AIDS work http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/19360365425 | Aug 10 02:02 |
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| _Goblin | how can you fight the AD buget of MS, no matter how good your product is? | Aug 10 02:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: you can't fight their under table budget either :) | Aug 10 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Lot of things are complete missing features that not even Canonical are any where near working on. | Aug 10 02:03 |
| _Goblin | techies and geeks are easy to win over with a good product as we try them anyway....Mainstream users are convinced by ad campaigns, promotions and FUD. | Aug 10 02:03 |
| oiaohm | Remember all that FUD takes money _Goblin | Aug 10 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: on the other hand, Apple owns 'cool' | Aug 10 02:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: which makes me wonder what Zuners thought they were getting... | Aug 10 02:04 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: exactly and regardless of what state MS is in, it has far more of it than most | Aug 10 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | for now | Aug 10 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's why shocks to their cash flow can be so fatal | Aug 10 02:04 |
| oiaohm | Microsoft has a min size before it cannot operate. _Goblin | Aug 10 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | _Goblin: OEM money tree shrivels, then what? | Aug 10 02:04 |
| _Goblin | sorry people....gagging for a cigarette...brb..hold that thought | Aug 10 02:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | the OEM deal that should never ever have been allowed to exist | Aug 10 02:04 |
| oiaohm | The OEM deals are hurting MS. | Aug 10 02:05 |
| oiaohm | The OEM want more and more for nothing. | Aug 10 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | purest form of anticompetitive bias | Aug 10 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yeah, but where else can they go? | Aug 10 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: if Ubuntu were sh1t on a stick now, then... | Aug 10 02:05 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Aug 10 02:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I think it's fair to say, MS woes are proportional to the polish of Linux for their ex market | Aug 10 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: a few ppl have been saying this in here | Aug 10 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | this week | Aug 10 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Even that Ubuntu is not good enough. It still good enough to force MS todo what ever OEM tell them too. | Aug 10 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes! | Aug 10 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | but not forever. | Aug 10 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Why are machines still being shipped with XP. | Aug 10 02:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | this puts a very grave responsibility on Canonical (something also said here.. by whom?) | Aug 10 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Any other cycle XP would be dead now. | Aug 10 02:06 |
| oiaohm | Completely dead. | Aug 10 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Android is also bringing presure as well FurnaceBoy | Aug 10 02:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | yus | Aug 10 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | google - deep pockets, deep engineering | Aug 10 02:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | worthy adversary | Aug 10 02:08 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Aug 10 02:09 |
| oiaohm | Google and MS both have major force. | Aug 10 02:09 |
| oiaohm | Google is way better at advertising than MS> | Aug 10 02:09 |
| oiaohm | And do it way cheeper. | Aug 10 02:09 |
| oiaohm | So even if MS disappears Ubuntu live is not going to get simpler. | Aug 10 02:10 |
| oiaohm | Infact Ubuntu vs Google. Google would most likely win every time. | Aug 10 02:10 |
| oiaohm | Unless things change. | Aug 10 02:10 |
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| SuborbitalPigeon | well, if people want to know, they can ask the distribution itself now | Aug 10 02:13 |
| ubuntu_ | SuborbitalPigeon: Uhmm? | Aug 10 02:14 |
| ubuntu_ | hi SuborbitalPigeon | Aug 10 02:14 |
| ubuntu_ | I am ubuntu_ | Aug 10 02:14 |
| SuborbitalPigeon | so I see | Aug 10 02:14 |
| ubuntu_ | and I know you love me really, even though you prefer other distros now :( | Aug 10 02:15 |
| *SuborbitalPigeon would change my nick to Fedora, but I'd rather not look like an idiot | Aug 10 02:15 | |
| ubuntu_ | SuborbitalPigeon: heh | Aug 10 02:15 |
| ubuntu_ | anyway I didn't just change to this nick | Aug 10 02:16 |
| SuborbitalPigeon | too late probably | Aug 10 02:16 |
| ubuntu_ | I would have been flooded by something on my IRC client | Aug 10 02:16 |
| oiaohm | I cannot change to debian is already taken. | Aug 10 02:16 |
| ubuntu_ | and losing the Internet connection and re connecting solved that problem :) | Aug 10 02:16 |
| ubuntu_ | and since I am on an Ubuntu 9.10 Live CD,this name | Aug 10 02:16 |
| ubuntu_ | ubuntu was already being used, so got this one | Aug 10 02:16 |
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| Fedora | SuborbitalPigeon: this one is registerd | Aug 10 02:17 |
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| SuborbitalPigeon | oh well, thought it would be | Aug 10 02:18 |
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| SuborbitalPigeon | isn't it spelt differently? | Aug 10 02:19 |
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| SuborbitalPigeon | maybe I'm thinking of the old name | Aug 10 02:19 |
| Mandriva | Mandrake | Aug 10 02:19 |
| Mandriva | was the old | Aug 10 02:19 |
| Mandriva | is the old | Aug 10 02:19 |
| Mandriva | SuborbitalPigeon: oh this name isn't registered it seems | Aug 10 02:21 |
| ianto | Why would it be? | Aug 10 02:21 |
| SuborbitalPigeon | I'll stick to bruce89/SuborbitalPigeon thanks | Aug 10 02:21 |
| ianto | "-NickServ- Nicks : `Chris dotCYM Chris` ianto failianto iant0 DavidMiliband IeuanWynJones"... heh | Aug 10 02:22 |
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| Mandriva | ianto: ah right yeah, nicks can be linked together or whatever | Aug 10 02:23 |
| SuborbitalPigeon | ianto: I vaguely remember using those names | Aug 10 02:23 |
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| ianto | SuborbitalPigeon: On election night? | Aug 10 02:23 |
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| cubevector | or at least try it | Aug 10 04:57 |
| oiaohm | I have done that evil with a 286 cubevector | Aug 10 04:58 |
| oiaohm | 486 50 mhz + is good enough to render X11 without opengl. cubevector | Aug 10 04:58 |
| oiaohm | At usable speed. | Aug 10 04:58 |
| amarsh04 | I've run X on a 486DX33 (-: | Aug 10 05:03 |
| cubevector | I'll show you guys :) | Aug 10 05:04 |
| cubevector | I can run 486 RIGHT NOW :) | Aug 10 05:04 |
| cubevector | in a few minutes maybe :) | Aug 10 05:04 |
| cubevector | the IBM box has a built-in CRT | Aug 10 05:06 |
| cubevector | so it makes sense to use it as another monitor | Aug 10 05:06 |
| cubevector | what did you do on the 286? | Aug 10 05:07 |
| cubevector | ok, now the server is headless | Aug 10 05:08 |
| cubevector | let's see... | Aug 10 05:08 |
| oiaohm | 386 emulator on 286 running Linux. | Aug 10 05:10 |
| oiaohm | How to say ouch cubevector | Aug 10 05:10 |
| cubevector | ouch! | Aug 10 05:11 |
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| cubevector | why did you do that? | Aug 10 05:11 |
| oiaohm | I won 250 dollars out of it. | Aug 10 05:11 |
| cubevector | heh | Aug 10 05:11 |
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| oiaohm | Tech bet most insane thing you could run X11 on. | Aug 10 05:11 |
| oiaohm | That was in the workshop. | Aug 10 05:12 |
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| cubevector | had to restart X | Aug 10 05:14 |
| cubevector | needed the ps/2 mouse for the 486 :) | Aug 10 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I've run it on a 25MHz 68030 (Mac IIci) | Aug 10 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: quite usable | Aug 10 05:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: linux 2.2 kernel | Aug 10 05:14 |
| cubevector | I' | Aug 10 05:15 |
| cubevector | I've run SunOS | Aug 10 05:15 |
| cubevector | in the 80's | Aug 10 05:15 |
| oiaohm | It was a Tech bet most insane thing you could run X11 on that was in the workshop at time. | Aug 10 05:15 |
| oiaohm | Mind you I did not compete when a c64 was in the workshop. | Aug 10 05:15 |
| cubevector | does desqview/X under dos count? | Aug 10 05:16 |
| oiaohm | No it had to be x,org or free86 ie either of the open source X11 servers | Aug 10 05:17 |
| cubevector | how much ram did the 286 have? | Aug 10 05:17 |
| oiaohm | 16 megs | Aug 10 05:17 |
| oiaohm | Lets put it this was it was stressed. | Aug 10 05:17 |
| cubevector | ah, well that should be enough ram | Aug 10 05:17 |
| oiaohm | 6 megs disappeared into the emulator. | Aug 10 05:18 |
| oiaohm | And the emulator does hurt. | Aug 10 05:18 |
| oiaohm | So 16 mhz machine being about equal to 2 | Aug 10 05:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes it could just barely run X11 | Aug 10 05:18 |
| oiaohm | Any slow and it would have been going backwards. | Aug 10 05:19 |
| cubevector | put vista on the 286 :) | Aug 10 05:19 |
| cubevector | probably impossible | Aug 10 05:19 |
| oiaohm | Most likely. | Aug 10 05:20 |
| oiaohm | I still remember the what the hell moment. | Aug 10 05:20 |
| oiaohm | When they worked out the box was a 286 | Aug 10 05:20 |
| cubevector | ha, I can run stuff remotely, can't remember how to do an X login | Aug 10 05:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: in the 80s that would have been Sun3 (m68k) | Aug 10 05:22 |
| cubevector | no :) | Aug 10 05:22 |
| cubevector | it was Sun4 | Aug 10 05:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: no? | Aug 10 05:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | 1989 | Aug 10 05:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | SS1 | Aug 10 05:22 |
| cubevector | yes :) | Aug 10 05:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok, so you scraped in there. | Aug 10 05:22 |
| *FurnaceBoy owns a few SS | Aug 10 05:22 | |
| FurnaceBoy | and a few Sun3 | Aug 10 05:22 |
| cubevector | Sun4's had this interesting thing I call rally-X mode | Aug 10 05:23 |
| cubevector | a big screen and a normal screen | Aug 10 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | OpenWindows? | Aug 10 05:23 |
| cubevector | I think so | Aug 10 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | Display PostScript | Aug 10 05:23 |
| cubevector | hard to remember now | Aug 10 05:23 |
| cubevector | could be | Aug 10 05:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | SunOS 4 | Aug 10 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: using an SS1 in 1989 would have been a privilege | Aug 10 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | they were nice | Aug 10 05:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | I played with one at a tradeshow that year | Aug 10 05:24 |
| cubevector | also had the next cube | Aug 10 05:25 |
| *FurnaceBoy has one | Aug 10 05:25 | |
| cubevector | this was at Waterloo in 1989 | Aug 10 05:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow | Aug 10 05:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah these were my lust objects at the time. | Aug 10 05:25 |
| cubevector | I wouldn't mind playing around on a Sun4 now :) | Aug 10 05:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's a painful way to make $250 :) | Aug 10 05:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: hm, they can't be too hard to scrounge up | Aug 10 05:27 |
| *FurnaceBoy has an E450 here in the apartment | Aug 10 05:27 | |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.jolicloud.com/ | Aug 10 05:29 |
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| FurnaceBoy | ^^ re earlier discussions b/w ThistleWeb and _Goblin | Aug 10 05:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] http://www.jolicloud.com/ - Keep forgetting this exists. Maybe because I don't own a netbook. #linux #cool | Aug 10 05:31 | |
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| oiaohm | Really when you are still being paid 40 dollars a hour anyhow. Its a nice bonus. FurnaceBoy | Aug 10 05:34 |
| cubevector | could I run startkde remotely? | Aug 10 05:35 |
| oiaohm | Not wise cubevector | Aug 10 05:35 |
| oiaohm | QT loves using opengl in places. | Aug 10 05:35 |
| cubevector | heh, too late | Aug 10 05:36 |
| oiaohm | You are better off with a light weight wm. cubevector | Aug 10 05:36 |
| cubevector | this is trippy | Aug 10 05:36 |
| cubevector | KDE on 486 :) | Aug 10 05:36 |
| cubevector | pretty slow though | Aug 10 05:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: oh, well. then i take it back. | Aug 10 05:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: will somebody pay me to teach myself Scheme :-X | Aug 10 05:37 |
| cubevector | ok, way too slow :) | Aug 10 05:37 |
| cubevector | you warned me | Aug 10 05:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | twm ftw | Aug 10 05:38 |
| cubevector | plus my display is too small | Aug 10 05:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | (that was kinda a joke) | Aug 10 05:38 |
| *FurnaceBoy despises twm | Aug 10 05:38 | |
| cubevector | in this case, it's not a bad idea | Aug 10 05:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah, you might have found the one and only use for it :D | Aug 10 05:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: do you know the UNIX Unanimous group? | Aug 10 05:39 |
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| cubevector | oh wow it's trying to run another xchat | Aug 10 05:40 |
| cubevector | hehe | Aug 10 05:40 |
| cubezzz2 | hi from 486 | Aug 10 05:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: they'd know where you can find a SUn4 http://www.unixunanimous.org/ | Aug 10 05:40 |
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| FurnaceBoy | cubevector: i haven;'t attended for years, i'm bad | Aug 10 05:40 |
| cubezzz2 | test | Aug 10 05:41 |
| cubezzz2 | I can't exit this thing | Aug 10 05:41 |
| *FurnaceBoy glares at the page, it uses BLINK | Aug 10 05:41 | |
| FurnaceBoy | cubezzz2: EJECT! EJECT! | Aug 10 05:41 |
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| cubevector | reboot time :) | Aug 10 05:41 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: Boss gets worried when he has kept us waiting. | Aug 10 05:41 |
| cubevector | ok, no more startkde remote | Aug 10 05:42 |
| oiaohm | Its not like us to sit around doing nothing. FurnaceBoy something strange whould have happend in the workshop. | Aug 10 05:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I understand | Aug 10 05:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's like the 20% time thing | Aug 10 05:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: analogically | Aug 10 05:44 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: let off steam | Aug 10 05:44 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Aug 10 05:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | no? | Aug 10 05:45 |
| amarsh04 | wow, a web server I last maintained in 2003, running on an SS10 is still going: http://www.asprg.adelaide.edu.au | Aug 10 05:45 |
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| FurnaceBoy | amarsh04: those things run forever ;-) | Aug 10 05:45 |
| oiaohm | None of us like having nothing todo. | Aug 10 05:45 |
| oiaohm | When we have nothing todo we have too much time on our hands and bad ideas start crossing mind. | Aug 10 05:46 |
| oiaohm | The 286 running X11 was one of the more nicer things. | Aug 10 05:46 |
| amarsh04 | it might have been moved to newer hardware between 2006 and 2007 as I don't think Solaris 9/10 ran on SS10 | Aug 10 05:47 |
| oiaohm | Being bussy wth a dedrill cutting buggered cpu fans down into wheels for making remote controlled cars was another insane day. | Aug 10 05:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: gotcha. the devil makes work for idle hands | Aug 10 05:47 |
| cubevector | I'm never idle or bored | Aug 10 05:47 |
| cubevector | always something new to try | Aug 10 05:47 |
| oiaohm | By time boss got back we had 20 highly noise making cars loss in the workshop. | Aug 10 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Yes boss truly does get worried. | Aug 10 05:48 |
| cubevector | you didn't play pong on the oscilliscope? :) | Aug 10 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Have done | Aug 10 05:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | nite | Aug 10 05:50 |
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| oiaohm | Now turning a osciliscope into a cga monitor that takes some effort. cubevector | Aug 10 05:50 |
| oiaohm | Or a black and white tv screen. | Aug 10 05:51 |
| oiaohm | Only thing we are banned from is disasmbling cd and dvd burning drives for there lasers. | Aug 10 05:53 |
| oiaohm | Mind you that is a self emposed ban the risk is kinda too great. | Aug 10 05:53 |
| cubevector | eye protection? | Aug 10 05:54 |
| cubevector | for safety | Aug 10 05:54 |
| oiaohm | We have the protective gear. | Aug 10 05:54 |
| oiaohm | But is more what I have done in past. Using crystals to change freq and intensity of lasers. | Aug 10 05:55 |
| oiaohm | I can basically blast holes in brick walls with lasers. | Aug 10 05:55 |
| oiaohm | And patching up holes in walls is taking it a little too far. | Aug 10 05:55 |
| cubevector | these ssh -X logins are so slow | Aug 10 05:56 |
| cubevector | don't understand, it takes 2 minutes just to login | Aug 10 05:56 |
| oiaohm | 100 speed internet connect? | Aug 10 05:57 |
| oiaohm | Yes no | Aug 10 05:57 |
| cubevector | just on a LAN | Aug 10 05:57 |
| cubevector | er, actually it's plip :) | Aug 10 05:57 |
| cubevector | forget about that | Aug 10 05:57 |
| oiaohm | plip ouch. | Aug 10 05:58 |
| cubevector | no ethercard on the 486 | Aug 10 05:58 |
| cubevector | needs an ISA card which I don't have currently | Aug 10 05:58 |
| cubevector | tried to exec mwm but it just exits | Aug 10 05:59 |
| amarsh04 | it could do with an original ne2000 - they were huge | Aug 10 05:59 |
| oiaohm | I still have 2 ne2000 around | Aug 10 06:00 |
| cubevector | startkde worked (but very slow) and startx doesn't | Aug 10 06:00 |
| cubevector | always says another window magager is running | Aug 10 06:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Wait, Wasn't A Paywall Supposed To Boost Ad Revenue? http://dlvr.it/3btcY | Aug 10 06:12 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Operation Empire Challenge. Propaganda: http://bit.ly/9sFkEt Reality: http://bit.ly/azqwRF | Aug 10 06:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] A review of WikiLeaks by someone who actually bothered to read it: http://bit.ly/90Y1Nn | Aug 10 06:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] No way home, no escape: US abandons Iraqi collaborators to reprisals http://bit.ly/cYaWv4 | Aug 10 06:54 | |
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| schestowitz | Shameless: http://www.ghabuntu.com/2010/07/rising-tide-of-internet-explorer-in.html | Aug 10 07:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Both @jonobacon & @mjasay historically have been anti-FSF. Otherwise, it seems most #Canonical folks are "indifferent" to !FSF." | Aug 10 07:21 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/45590722 | Aug 10 07:21 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Bradley M. Kuhn (bkuhn)'s status on Monday, 09-Aug-10 18:00:14 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.54 KB | Aug 10 07:21 |
| schestowitz | jono_: is this true? | Aug 10 07:21 |
| schestowitz | jono_: I want to check before I retweet it | Aug 10 07:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bkuhn I somewhat doubt Humphrey's correct that "most at #Canonical" dismisses #FSF entirely. If true, it's quite #disturbing. | Aug 10 07:24 | |
| schestowitz | No answer, I'll RT away then... | Aug 10 07:27 |
| jono_ | schestowitz sorry was away | Aug 10 07:28 |
| jono_ | let me check | Aug 10 07:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bkuhn Both @jonobacon & @mjasay historically have been anti-FSF. Otherwise, it seems most #Canonical folks are "indifferent" to #FSF. | Aug 10 07:28 | |
| schestowitz | I've just RTed it | Aug 10 07:28 |
| jono_ | oh I replied to that earlier today | Aug 10 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Wanted to make sure Bradley is right though | Aug 10 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I know he's right about Asay here | Aug 10 07:28 |
| jono_ | let me find it for you | Aug 10 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I didn't think you poo-poos FSF like Linux Action Show | Aug 10 07:29 |
| schestowitz | *ed | Aug 10 07:29 |
| jono_ | schestowitz http://identi.ca/conversation/45255589#notice-45591102 | Aug 10 07:29 |
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| jono_ | I had a call with the FSF on Fri - was really cool | Aug 10 07:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] B minus a couple of hours ... | Aug 10 07:30 | |
| schestowitz | "I was thinking primarily of your positions stated on LUG Radio. Glad your position's changed." | Aug 10 07:30 |
| schestowitz | That's what I thought | Aug 10 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Many 'shows' are FSF hostile | Aug 10 07:30 |
| schestowitz | The ones I know anyway | Aug 10 07:30 |
| jono_ | yeah, I think they are better these days | Aug 10 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Why didn' FLOSS Weekly ever invite RMS? | Aug 10 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Was he invited? | Aug 10 07:30 |
| jono_ | no idea if he was | Aug 10 07:31 |
| schestowitz | The L is libre | Aug 10 07:31 |
| jono_ | Randal generally invited the hosts | Aug 10 07:31 |
| schestowitz | So he's like one of the raison detre of such shows | Aug 10 07:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jonobacon @bkuhn to be clear, I am not anti-FSF, in fact had a call with them on Fri. I just don't 100% support all their projects. | Aug 10 07:31 | |
| schestowitz | A lot of shows create a buffer between freedom defender & rest | Aug 10 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Like the OMG!Humphreys dude did | Aug 10 07:32 |
| schestowitz | "Don't listen to them stinkin' hippies..." | Aug 10 07:32 |
| schestowitz | "...With neck beards" | Aug 10 07:33 |
| cubevector | guess he hates Santa too then | Aug 10 07:33 |
| schestowitz | That's the caricature they paint anyway | Aug 10 07:33 |
| cubevector | irrational hate is a waste of time | Aug 10 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Usually it's rather hate nor irrational | Aug 10 07:35 |
| schestowitz | RMS doesn't hate things | Aug 10 07:36 |
| schestowitz | And he is not irrational (for exaple) | Aug 10 07:36 |
| cubevector | naturally not, he thinks far ahead | Aug 10 07:36 |
| cubevector | it's really hostility directed more _at_ the FSF than anything | Aug 10 07:39 |
| jono_ | RMS is *never* irrational from my experience | Aug 10 07:39 |
| jono_ | he is like an unchanging machine of views, but generally I have always found him to be placid and reasonable | Aug 10 07:39 |
| schestowitz | He can be impolite at times | Aug 10 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Like when people ask him questions | Aug 10 07:40 |
| cubevector | some of the questions he gets are silly though | Aug 10 07:41 |
| cubevector | confusing and obfuscated too | Aug 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Or attacking his basic points | Aug 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Agitating | Aug 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz | But it's no excuse | Aug 10 07:41 |
| cubevector | exactly | Aug 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, other people like CEO filter the question | Aug 10 07:41 |
| schestowitz | They preselect for PR purposes | Aug 10 07:41 |
| cubevector | kind of hard to be placid when folks do that to you | Aug 10 07:42 |
| schestowitz | And they have the answers prepared | Aug 10 07:42 |
| schestowitz | I have some leaked examples from Comes where you see them cheating with crib notes from the 'communication' Vice President | Aug 10 07:42 |
| cubevector | everybody likes recognition | Aug 10 07:43 |
| cubevector | I think Stallman has that anyway though | Aug 10 07:44 |
| cubevector | he's changed things for the better | Aug 10 07:44 |
| cubevector | AROS uses gcc | Aug 10 07:44 |
| cubevector | plus a million other things | Aug 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz | How many people use AROS? | Aug 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz | I only see it in OSNews sometimes | Aug 10 07:44 |
| schestowitz | And such sites for OS enthusiasts | Aug 10 07:45 |
| cubevector | probably not too many people | Aug 10 07:45 |
| cubevector | mostly former Amiga types | Aug 10 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, the thing about Stallman is, ... | Aug 10 07:45 |
| schestowitz | I see the same tactics used against him that I suffer from sometimes | Aug 10 07:45 |
| schestowitz | People try to characterise and portray him as dangerous | Aug 10 07:45 |
| schestowitz | Like the "Red threat" methods | Aug 10 07:46 |
| schestowitz | And only when people actually see him talk/write they go like, "oh! He's actually quite reasonable..." | Aug 10 07:46 |
| schestowitz | That's why I put many videos of RMS in daily links (as ogg) in techrights these days | Aug 10 07:46 |
| cubevector | you must understand that some people are just arguing for the sake of arguing | Aug 10 07:46 |
| cubevector | they don't really care about the real issues | Aug 10 07:47 |
| schestowitz | Help support the idea that RMS defends people's interests, the real threat are those who daemonise him (some of whom don't understand what they daemonise and go for physical things like beard or fat) | Aug 10 07:47 |
| cubevector | people don't know basic stuff like how important gcc is | Aug 10 07:49 |
| schestowitz | gcc? | Aug 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | rubbish | Aug 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I see no adverts for it | Aug 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | So it's not important | Aug 10 07:51 |
| cubevector | :-/ | Aug 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | I went to the shop and asked for gcc and they were like, "what??" | Aug 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | They said, "today we have a discount on Norton anti-virus" | Aug 10 07:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @zooko @jwildeboer @bkuhn @czajkowski @jonobacon Check it out. Benjamin wrote a Grade A apology. http://is.gd/eaOZo | Aug 10 07:52 | |
| cubevector | there is one shop around here that sells linux cds | Aug 10 07:52 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: I said a few things wrong, let's move on | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 68.13 KB | Aug 10 07:52 |
| cubevector | heh | Aug 10 07:52 |
| cubevector | yeah the world is a bit messed up | Aug 10 07:53 |
| cubevector | and I'm an optimist :) | Aug 10 07:53 |
| cubevector | Haiku is alpha and AROS is alpha, thus I'm back to Linux probably for good | Aug 10 07:53 |
| schestowitz | You didn't think you'd move, did you? | Aug 10 07:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer zooko @jwildeboer @bkuhn @czajkowski @jonobacon Benjamin wrote a Grade A apology. http://is.gd/eaOZo omgapology | Aug 10 07:54 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: I said a few things wrong, let's move on | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 68.13 KB | Aug 10 07:54 |
| cubevector | I can dual boot | Aug 10 07:54 |
| cubevector | still have AROS on a partition | Aug 10 07:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @fabsh http://ur1.ca/11q6s "Even the FSF help in their own way [with F/OSS]" -- this guy really doesn't get it, does he? Sad. | Aug 10 07:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: I said a few things wrong, let's move on | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 68.13 KB | Aug 10 07:55 |
| cubevector | right, I agree, RMS is the people's defender | Aug 10 07:56 |
| cubevector | no doubt about it | Aug 10 07:56 |
| jono_ | btw, regarding the OMG!Ubuntu blog entry, I talked to Ben and he wrote http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/08/i-said-few-things-wrong-lets-move-on.html | Aug 10 08:00 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: I said a few things wrong, let's move on | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 68.13 KB | Aug 10 08:00 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 10 08:01 |
| schestowitz | It's not something I gave much attention to | Aug 10 08:01 |
| schestowitz | I found out when someone came to IRC complaining about it | Aug 10 08:01 |
| schestowitz | A strongly pro-Ubuntu person even | Aug 10 08:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1726974/drivers-warned-ipod-zombies | Aug 10 08:02 |
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| *WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-here | Aug 10 08:09 | |
| MinceR | why only drivers? | Aug 10 08:10 |
| schestowitz | They have heavy weapons (cars) | Aug 10 08:11 |
| schestowitz | I saw it myself, how PMP drones cross the road and almost die | Aug 10 08:11 |
| schestowitz | It's not about hypePod at all | Aug 10 08:11 |
| schestowitz | It's just any digital device | Aug 10 08:11 |
| MinceR | iDiots are zombies though | Aug 10 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Aug 10 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Gullible (marketing) | Aug 10 08:11 |
| schestowitz | Gull iBle | Aug 10 08:12 |
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| *cubevector imagines Microsoft drones getting run over | Aug 10 08:16 | |
| cubevector | oops, j/k ;) | Aug 10 08:17 |
| cubevector | yeah not too many people appreciate the Unixy stuff | Aug 10 08:19 |
| cubevector | they want the glitz | Aug 10 08:19 |
| schestowitz | Many Microsoft drones don't like it | Aug 10 08:22 |
| schestowitz | Apple ones come with a label | Aug 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Apple is like Scientology | Aug 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like Christianity | Aug 10 08:23 |
| schestowitz | One you're born into (buy a PC) and one you subscribe to and pay a small fortune to join | Aug 10 08:23 |
| cubevector | I started with commodore myself | Aug 10 08:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/08/talking-to-the-taliban-negotiations-end-war | Aug 10 08:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 10 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: We will talk to Mullah Omar, and maybe to Bin Laden too | Jonathan Powell | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 194.88 KB | Aug 10 08:36 |
| schestowitz | We will talk to Mullah Omar, and maybe to Bin Laden too | Aug 10 08:36 |
| schestowitz | And Nick Griffin? | Aug 10 08:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 10 08:36 |
| schestowitz | heh. | Aug 10 08:36 |
| cubevector | so in your analogy what does Linux correspond to? :) | Aug 10 08:36 |
| schestowitz | Haven't thought about that | Aug 10 08:38 |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz, I haven't looked at these yet, but there appear to be some interesting "related videos" to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HAxDxHIYb0 | Aug 10 08:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Senator Stephen Conroy speech at ACCAN National Conference 2010 (Pt 1 of 3),‎ .::. Size~: 88.71 KB | Aug 10 08:44 |
| amarsh04 | the .au senator loads of people love to hate | Aug 10 08:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canonical Begins Tracking #Ubuntu Installations http://ur1.ca/11mee Might be handy numbers to have, if not obligatory | Aug 10 08:47 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Canonical Begins Tracking Ubuntu Installations .::. Size~: 18.39 KB | Aug 10 08:47 |
| schestowitz | http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKSGE6780JI20100809 | Aug 10 08:49 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: UPDATE 1-Novell cuts Q3 revenue outlook| Reuters .::. Size~: 41.74 KB | Aug 10 08:49 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: even *I* hate him and I'm not in .au :-) | Aug 10 08:49 |
| amarsh04 | hehehe | Aug 10 08:50 |
| schestowitz | But he harms my name...*Roy | Aug 10 08:50 |
| schestowitz | ConvictRoy | Aug 10 08:50 |
| amarsh04 | Conroy is also a brand of ham and bacon in .au | Aug 10 08:50 |
| schestowitz | Convicted for treason | Aug 10 08:50 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: ah, it figures. | Aug 10 08:50 |
| schestowitz | That goes well with many conroy cartoons then | Aug 10 08:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Probably the First Ever Linux Distro to Overshoot Popularity of Linux Itself http://ur1.ca/11sf8 Risk involved in this | Aug 10 08:54 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Probably the First Ever Linux Distro to Overshoot Popularity of Linux Itself | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 38.25 KB | Aug 10 08:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is Best Buy prepping an Android tablet? http://ur1.ca/11sgc Android and Ubuntu seem like the 'new Linux' | Aug 10 08:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is Best Buy prepping an Android tablet? - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 58.67 KB | Aug 10 08:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Consumer Reports Recommends Numerous Android Devices http://ur1.ca/11sha almost all of them are patent-taxed by Microsoft | Aug 10 08:58 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Consumer Reports Recommends Numerous Android Devices | WebProNews .::. Size~: 36.52 KB | Aug 10 08:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open Source Projects that Changed the World http://ur1.ca/11sic #gnu comes before #linux #ostatic | Aug 10 09:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Open Source Projects that Changed the World .::. Size~: 34.45 KB | Aug 10 09:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @rozzin: @jwildeboer & @bkuhn, cf. @zack's #UDS summary: http://is.gd/eb7KV | esp http://is.gd/eb7KW is of interest | Aug 10 09:16 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Debian leader goes to UDS [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.21 KB | Aug 10 09:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Faking Evidence Online Probably Isn't A Good Idea http://dlvr.it/3c9Yf | Aug 10 09:17 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Faking Evidence Online Probably Isn't A Good Idea | Techdirt .::. Size~: 23.76 KB | Aug 10 09:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijk75NqPmXw&feature=digest > very funny | Aug 10 09:53 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 10/8/2010: #LinuxCon Coverage, #KDE Branding, #Canonical to Track Installations http://ur1.ca/11sx2 #techrights | Aug 10 09:53 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 10/8/2010: #LinuxCon Coverage, !KDE Branding, #Canonical to Track Installations http://ur1.ca/11sx2 !techrights | Aug 10 09:53 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 10/8/2010: LinuxCon Coverage, KDE Branding, Canonical to Track Installations | Techrights .::. Size~: 123.92 KB | Aug 10 09:53 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | Aug 10 09:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] At THE spot... anxiously hoping we'll get a private room. SO was brought inside but without any explanation about the next steps. | Aug 10 09:54 | |
| amarsh04 | ABC radio is covering broadband policy of the election contenders, also see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRHbeONYdUc | Aug 10 09:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- *Election Communication Forum 2010,‎ .::. Size~: 89.65 KB | Aug 10 09:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @fabsh @rpcutts I don't agree at all. These conversations are very important and the FSF has a very important role. That blog post wa ... | Aug 10 10:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Well, not today! It turned to the right position so we better wait ! | Aug 10 11:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz still convinced it was a smear campaign wrt Google/Verizon? ;-) | Aug 10 11:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Rules? What rules? #TheLarry explains that CEOs can ignore rules the rest has to follow. Geez. http://is.gd/ebfYx | Aug 10 11:34 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ce-Oh no he didn't!: Larry Ellison likens HP board to 'idiots' at Apple - Engadget .::. Size~: 7.59 KB | Aug 10 11:34 |
| zoobab | http://www.internationallawoffice.com/newsletters/detail.aspx?g=29b82a92-c2cf-485c-ad0b-c37953713aef | Aug 10 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Supreme Court clarifies rules on software patentability - International Law Office .::. Size~: 19.49 KB | Aug 10 11:44 |
| *amarsh04 wonders about Larry Ellison's behaviour as ceo of Oracle | Aug 10 11:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Newspaper Gets Around Photography Ban At Football Event With Cartoon Illustrations http://dlvr.it/3cPkh | Aug 10 11:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Fsck! Thirty five C in the shadow at 11:15... glad to be back into the server room this afternoon... | Aug 10 11:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer Rules? What rules? #TheLarry explains that CEOs can ignore rules the rest has to follow. Geez. http://is.gd/ebfYx | Aug 10 12:02 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ce-Oh no he didn't!: Larry Ellison likens HP board to 'idiots' at Apple - Engadget .::. Size~: 7.59 KB | Aug 10 12:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] WTF- Google.com is showing security error ? http://tinyurl.com/3yub832 What is akamai.net ? | Aug 10 12:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer @fabsh Even small steps move us forward. And that counts. #zenMOTD ;-) | Aug 10 12:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] In Sachen #GVU v @Sixtus - ist #vimeo nicht auch der Beihilfe schuldig? Warum haben die nicht selbst geprüft und Löschung abgelehnt? | Aug 10 12:46 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] I do hope that install/running of canonical-census is optional and properly asks for user consent: http://is.gd/eblvK #provacy | Aug 10 13:06 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] I do hope that install/running of canonical-census is optional and properly asks for user consent: http://is.gd/eblvK #privacy #ubuntu | Aug 10 13:06 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Canonical Begins Tracking Ubuntu Installations .::. Size~: 18.53 KB | Aug 10 13:06 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Take.fm Pushes Movie Torrents To The Next Level - http://bit.ly/bZGM4d interesting how lively this scene is #torrents | Aug 10 13:18 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Take.fm Pushes Movie Torrents To The Next Level | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 38.83 KB | Aug 10 13:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Newspaper Gets Around Photography Ban At Football Event With Cartoon Illustrations - http://bit.ly/bA2qCb nice #football #cartoons | Aug 10 13:23 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Newspaper Gets Around Photography Ban At Football Event With Cartoon Illustrations | Techdirt .::. Size~: 29.4 KB | Aug 10 13:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @jwildeboer: They ask consent in order to participate in software popularity analysis of installed packa … http://identi.ca/notice/45674961 | Aug 10 13:36 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rui Seabra (ruiseabra)'s status on Tuesday, 10-Aug-10 12:27:05 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.11 KB | Aug 10 13:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @jwildeboer: I mean... if they didn't they'd probably get a lot of angry backlash (I'd reformat my media center immediately) | Aug 10 13:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sunday Times avoids punitive damages over unauthorised Hendrix CD - http://bit.ly/bTQdUS interestingly nuanced decision #copyright #hendrix | Aug 10 13:38 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Sunday Times avoids punitive damages over unauthorised Hendrix CD • The Register .::. Size~: 28.64 KB | Aug 10 13:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Connect The Dots – 20 Tales of Inspiration - http://bit.ly/cMxNBX "for people who talk to themselves in Hindi but with the world in English" | Aug 10 13:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Book Review: Connect The Dots by Rashmi Bansal – 20 Tales of Inspiration .::. Size~: 49.48 KB | Aug 10 13:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @RuiSeabra hence I am asking. If it is opt-in and disabled by default, fine with me. If not - #notOK | Aug 10 13:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Fotopedia Introduces The Endless Photo Book On The iPad - http://tcrn.ch/cHXFmD "most of the photos are under Creative Commons license" | Aug 10 13:49 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Fotopedia Introduces The Endless Photo Book On The iPad (Video Demo) .::. Size~: 54.03 KB | Aug 10 13:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @ruiseabra we once had some conv with Canonicla/ubuntu on them joining #smolt, which would have been better IMHO. But they didn't go there. | Aug 10 13:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How an ancient printer can spill your most intimate secrets - http://bit.ly/b41jCL "by analyzing the sounds made on dot-matrix printers" | Aug 10 13:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How an ancient printer can spill your most intimate secrets • The Register .::. Size~: 29.5 KB | Aug 10 13:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] FDA Tells Novartis That 'Facebook Sharing' Widget On Its Site Violates Drug Ad Rules http://dlvr.it/3cc20 | Aug 10 13:59 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FDA Tells Novartis That 'Facebook Sharing' Widget On Its Site Violates Drug Ad Rules | Techdirt .::. Size~: 26.33 KB | Aug 10 13:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] On Governments and Intellectual Property - http://bit.ly/diopvW 3 good reasons why governments should set stuff free #ca #opensource | Aug 10 14:01 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: On Governments and Intellectual Property (or why we move slowly) | eaves.ca .::. Size~: 29.94 KB | Aug 10 14:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Taxes pay for civilisation. http://is.gd/ebpbl | Aug 10 14:02 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Economic Crisis Forces Local Governments to Let Asphalt Roads Return to Gravel - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 131.35 KB | Aug 10 14:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Google Agonizes on Privacy as Ad World Vaults Ahead - http://bit.ly/9g5n2z starting to get the itch to use info (via @asteris) #privacy | Aug 10 14:08 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Google Agonizes on Privacy as Advertising World Vaults Ahead - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 166.03 KB | Aug 10 14:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Based on this old #google architecture description, http://bit.ly/9ZVt2V #SPARC high-thread cpus would b great fit. Did #Sun miss this boat? | Aug 10 14:11 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Classical Music Inspired by Shakespeare - http://bit.ly/d9zd1t inspired idea to list stuff inspired by De Man #spotify #shakespeare | Aug 10 14:12 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Spotify Classical Playlists: Classical Music Inspired by Shakespeare .::. Size~: 75.58 KB | Aug 10 14:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] @jwildeboer: joining #smolt would be awesome, but I expect more the NIH syndrome than foul play. | Aug 10 14:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Internet, schminternet - http://bit.ly/d4Hx5q exactly my analysis, put rather better #netneutrality #google #verizon | Aug 10 14:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] For my friends in BN: 20-smth will pay $1400 for room in NYC, just 1 condition: no #apple fans. http://bit.ly/aGfO0L #iphone #ipad | Aug 10 14:14 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Internet, schminternet « BuzzMachine .::. Size~: 8.59 KB | Aug 10 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: 25-Year-Old Will Pay $1,400 for a New York Room, Won't Live With iPhone or iPad Fan | The New York Observer .::. Size~: 31.51 KB | Aug 10 14:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] How cool is this?!? WipeOut2 in reality! http://is.gd/ebqot Check the video. via @pilhuhn | Aug 10 14:17 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Wipeout aus Pappe | Spreeblick .::. Size~: 42.04 KB | Aug 10 14:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] “They'll be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare & we’ve eliminated Pentagon"-a good start. Get on that, willya? http://is.gd/eblpZ | Aug 10 14:18 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Linux Foundation launches open-source license program http://bit.ly/dnzJvA Want to use #Linux legally? There's a program for that. | Aug 10 14:18 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: White House unloads anger over criticism from 'professional left’ - TheHill.com .::. Size~: 73.38 KB | Aug 10 14:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux Foundation launches major open-source license compliance program - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 64.55 KB | Aug 10 14:18 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] That last was via the ever-vigilant @ggreenwald. Follow him already. http://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/20788774044 | Aug 10 14:19 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / Glenn Greenwald: Pop quiz - guess who mocke ... .::. Size~: 8.78 KB | Aug 10 14:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Estimating source-to-product costs for OSS - http://bit.ly/dySDMO "reducing cost of development to 1/20, time to market to 1/4": gd results | Aug 10 14:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] How India sees the Afghan War Diary http://bit.ly/aaxiTZ | Aug 10 14:28 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Estimating source-to-product costs for OSS: an experiment | carlodaffara.conecta.it .::. Size~: 36.3 KB | Aug 10 14:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Cameron Neylon on practical steps toward open science - http://bit.ly/cLxor3 required reading on the subject #openscience | Aug 10 14:31 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Michael Nielsen » Cameron Neylon on practical steps toward open science .::. Size~: 29.89 KB | Aug 10 14:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Kaiser: Expanding the public's wealth and defending the common good http://huff.to/avfFqv wea_b_674351.html | Aug 10 14:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] UN: Afghan civilian casualties rise 31 per cent in first six months of 2010 http://bit.ly/b8lFgN | Aug 10 14:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Software Patents in Business History - http://bit.ly/bBvLLm "software should be licensed rather than sold to prevent them sharing programs" | Aug 10 14:33 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Expanding the public wealth and defending the common good | Huffpost http://huff.to/c3qWkU | Aug 10 14:37 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Max Keiser: Expanding the Public's Wealth and Defending the Interests of the Common Good .::. Size~: 169.79 KB | Aug 10 14:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Smithsonian Commons - http://oreil.ly/9w8GOL "physical items that museums house represent ideas, science, culture, and history" #commons | Aug 10 14:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: "Knowledge is a mashup" - O'Reilly Radar .::. Size~: 35.34 KB | Aug 10 14:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @mrhinkle According to Wm Coekaerts 27% of Oracle DB users deploy on Solaris & 20% deploy on Linux #linuxcon >>wow #oracle #linux | Aug 10 14:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] US has pressured Britain, Germany, Australia, to charge WikiLeaks editor with espionage http://bit.ly/bHglKI | Aug 10 14:43 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: U.S. Urges Allies to Crack Down on WikiLeaks - The Daily Beast .::. Size~: 194.89 KB | Aug 10 14:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] U.S. Urges Allies to Crack Down on WikiLeaks - http://bit.ly/bCl5M1 I say arrest Bush and Blair first... #wikileaks #hypocrisy | Aug 10 14:45 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: U.S. Urges Allies to Crack Down on WikiLeaks - The Daily Beast .::. Size~: 194.89 KB | Aug 10 14:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @dontennant: HP needs Ann Livermore to steer it out of the muck http://tinyurl.com/3yz5tq8 Me: Couldn't agree more. Ann's great. | Aug 10 14:48 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: HP Needs Ann Livermore to Steer It Out of the Muck | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 76.96 KB | Aug 10 14:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] CBC says can't complete digital transition on time. Asks CRTC for 1 year extension on 12 of 27 transmitters http://bit.ly/bjVA3L | Aug 10 14:49 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: CBC says switch to digital too onerous to make deadline - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 95.24 KB | Aug 10 14:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Canonical-census is yet another indication that #Canonical suffers from Not Invented Here syndrom IMHO. #smolt is open, so why reinvent? | Aug 10 14:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Android phones hit by text-based Trojan - http://bit.ly/b40uzU "pay attention to services an app requests access to" (via @TheTechScribe) | Aug 10 14:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Android phones hit by text-based Trojan - 10/08/2010 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 63.6 KB | Aug 10 14:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] my #neckbeard will take some time to grow, but it will be worth it. A red hat and a #neckbeard should make me superstar at #ubuntu events. | Aug 10 14:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Oracle's Wim, while not mentioning OpenSolaris, is saying that VirtualBox is co-equal with Xen & KVM. #Linuxcon | Aug 10 14:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] P ≠ NP and the future of peer review - http://bit.ly/9wQ580 "starting to see egs of post-publication peer review & see it out-perform trad" | Aug 10 14:56 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Science in the Open » Blog Archive » P ≠NP and the future of peer review .::. Size~: 43.72 KB | Aug 10 14:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer re "still convinced it was a smear campaign wrt Google/Verizon? ;-)" >> exaggeration | Aug 10 14:58 | |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/mjasay/statuses/20780512850 " I don't think that's true. I'm certainly not "anti-FSF." I just don't always agree with it" | Aug 10 14:59 |
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| MinceR | see also, "never" | Aug 10 15:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Oracle's Wim made it _very_ clear that they're sticking with #Linux But, really, was there any doubt? #Linuxcon | Aug 10 15:03 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @thepacketrat: NASA will give 150 of its Twitter followers access to the next shuttle launch-a Halloween tweetup http://ow.ly/2nvsZ | Aug 10 15:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: NASA - NASA Announces Tweetup For Next Space Shuttle Launch .::. Size~: 17.39 KB | Aug 10 15:03 |
| Ziomatrix | Seems that someone is attempting to get shareholders to pump and dump HP: http://tinyurl.com/2emw6c2 | Aug 10 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.02 KB | Aug 10 15:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] English Only Spoken Here (in Japan) - http://bit.ly/bfEyrN how long before Western cos. insist staff speak Chinese...? #linguistics | Aug 10 15:06 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Don't be fooled on the "human rights groups".No formal statement. US led. Anon. given to Wall St. Journal. Why? | Aug 10 15:09 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Qualcomm would like to see a baseline mobile Linux OS--below Android, MeeGo, etc.--to help speed up mobile #Linux #Linuxcon | Aug 10 15:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Qualcomm is working mostly on #Android & #Chrome OS. #Linuxcon | Aug 10 15:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RIP E-mail http://ur1.ca/11wc2 I wrote a great deal about E-mail since 2004. 6 years later I’m giving up. | Aug 10 15:19 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] All Our Ideas facilitates crowdsourcing — of opinions - http://bit.ly/cdkZQg "platform designed to crowdsource concepts & opinions" | Aug 10 15:22 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: All Our Ideas facilitates crowdsourcing of opinions » Nieman Journalism Lab .::. Size~: 34.98 KB | Aug 10 15:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] U.K. bank hit by massive fraud from ZeuS-based botnet - http://bit.ly/asF6of *you* know the only OS affected, but the article doesn't #fail | Aug 10 15:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Burning SchoolOS DVDs for free media Distribution http://post.ly/r7Kl | Aug 10 15:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Access to Science and Scholarship - Why and What Should We Do? - http://bit.ly/aQ0QW7 "India needs to adopt OA in a big way" #oa #india | Aug 10 15:31 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Rupert Murdoch, Pirate? Gave Away Jimi Hendrix CD Without Clearing The Rights http://dlvr.it/3cm20 | Aug 10 15:36 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] why bother? - http://bit.ly/bUdV8y if you want to get anything done today, do *not* notice how many galaxies there are in this pic #hubble | Aug 10 15:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] #Qualcomm joined the #LinuxFoundation. So when will NTP? (known from the BlackBerry #patent case) Should be a natural fit. #linux | Aug 10 15:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A Message to Those Praying for Christopher Hitchens - http://bit.ly/cSv7rs one with a sting in the tail, to say the least... | Aug 10 16:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @romenesko: USA Today updates its iPad app with a daily crossword puzzle and customized stock listings. http://journ.us/bwF5gJ | Aug 10 16:16 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @sgaudin: A group called "Save Google Wave" is trying to get Google to do just that. Huh? Someone did use it. http://bit.ly/cpBc5v | Aug 10 16:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @MitchWagner: Google and Verizon got some net neutrality 'splainin to do http://ow.ly/2nzqC | Aug 10 16:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Yet Another Study Shows How Copyright Can Hinder The Spread Of Knowledge http://dlvr.it/3cry5 | Aug 10 16:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] WTF has the blackbelt in karate to do with it? Are they trying to provoke a Prescott momment? http://bit.ly/9N25GP | Aug 10 16:46 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Rethinking the open-source money train - http://bit.ly/b2nVgB raises interesting points about support in the #opensource world | Aug 10 16:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @jperlow: Chris Gulker just found out he's going to die soon. I'm speechless, and saddened. http://bit.ly/9kNLeV | Aug 10 16:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] is this the best microblog bio in the world? - http://identi.ca/thisisparker maybe, maybe not, but RMS would certainly approve #gnu | Aug 10 17:00 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @PierreReynes: Ready for the Oracle Systems Strategy Update Webcast at 9:00 AM PST today #oraclesun live at http://ustre.am/lYAO | Aug 10 17:00 | |
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| MinceR | zomg clone invasion | Aug 10 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | whoops | Aug 10 17:01 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 10 17:01 |
| MinceR | to err is human. to moo, bovine. | Aug 10 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | something's not right | Aug 10 17:01 |
| schestowitz | I've just begun organising IRC a little | Aug 10 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Aug 10 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Maybe we can better divide by topic, off topic going to social | Aug 10 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | I can then also post logs differently | Aug 10 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Keep the key channels free from DEMON drivel | Aug 10 17:02 |
| schestowitz | And insults against people | Aug 10 17:02 |
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| DaemonFC | for some reason, official XChat for Windows and XChat-WDK don't play nicely together | Aug 10 17:03 |
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| DaemonFC | they'll duplicate all your settings and try to read from both profiles | Aug 10 17:03 |
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| Ziomatrix | Google offices in South Korea raided by cybercrime enforcers for suspected unauthorized Wifi packet snooping: http://tinyurl.com/2elxjmc | Aug 10 17:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] 855 Moodle-based Open Courses, #OER - http://bit.ly/clI6Pf only a small proportion, doubtless #oer #moodle | Aug 10 17:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How to Take a Walk - http://bit.ly/cChZbw a lovely little gem of a piece #walking | Aug 10 17:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | And those who are prideful and refuse to bow down shall be laid low and made unto dust. B-) | Aug 10 17:19 |
| MinceR | are you reading pentagon reports? | Aug 10 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | Seek not wickedness among your own neighbors lest it find purchase in your own house. :) | Aug 10 17:20 |
| MinceR | or the Book of Origin? | Aug 10 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 10 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | those bible verses on the gun sights didn't really help much | Aug 10 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | apparently the idiot contractor who decided to put them on there didn't mind infuriating the local savages | Aug 10 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | Let's keep our troops safe by offending as many of their enemies as possible | Aug 10 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | give them new propaganda | Aug 10 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | whoever made the decision to do that should be lynched | Aug 10 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | the Muslims are already superstitious enough | Aug 10 17:23 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thought_for_the_day | Aug 10 17:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] About That Open Internet Thing - http://bit.ly/cOiLT9 "this secretly negotiated private “deal” is a terrible blunder on Google’s part" | Aug 10 17:23 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | "And those who are prideful and refuse to bow down, shall be laid low and made into dust." | Aug 10 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Ubuntu has religious crap in their own package archives | Aug 10 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | for Ubuntu Christian Edition | Aug 10 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | and the Muslim Edition | Aug 10 17:24 |
| MinceR | i know | Aug 10 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | well, what confuses me is why both sets of packages don't mutually conflict | Aug 10 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 17:24 |
| MinceR | because they team up when it suits their agenda | Aug 10 17:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MT @rubberstamprosk Gingrich: not hypocrisy, bc ‘It Doesn’t Matter What I Do’ http://bit.ly/bXJp6w // conservative poster child cc @eikonos | Aug 10 17:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | oh right, that's why the Satanic Edition packages aren't there | Aug 10 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | and Ubuntu is sending out DMCA letters to them | Aug 10 17:26 |
| MinceR | didn't you get the memo? satanists are immoral. :> | Aug 10 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Someone should send jono a care package | Aug 10 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 bacon burgers and Ubuntu Satanic Edition on CD | Aug 10 17:26 |
| MinceR | after all, prosecuting and executing people for trying to advance our knowledge is the pinnacle of morality | Aug 10 17:28 |
| MinceR | and so is holding people responsible for their ancestors' sins | Aug 10 17:28 |
| MinceR | isn't it? | Aug 10 17:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@frederikhermans if you're looking for a minimal headless/server #Ubuntu, try #JeOS | Aug 10 17:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] U.S. Military Learns to Fight Deadliest Weapons - http://bit.ly/b5tm4U the wrong kind of open source: #opensourcewar | Aug 10 17:34 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Android phones hit by text-based Trojan - http://bit.ly/b40uzU "pay attention to services an app requests access to" | Aug 10 17:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Newsweek Insists People Don't Do Stuff For Free... And Then Shows Why People Do Stuff For Free http://dlvr.it/3cxlP | Aug 10 17:38 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] C'mon Google straighten up RT @mkapor: Net Neutrality carve-outs for mobile anything new? http://bit.ly/9lZCeZ | Aug 10 17:39 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi all! | Aug 10 17:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Has anybody seen the news about MS not supporting the link vulnerablity patch in XP SP2? | Aug 10 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | Messenger 2010 has adwords in it that take you to Bing | Aug 10 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | whenever you type something that triggers that in a message | Aug 10 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | ewww | Aug 10 17:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well it seems that MS might be doing more of their tricks like they did with DirectX 10 not being supported in XP | Aug 10 17:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.thetechherald.com/article.php/201032/6003/Registry-hack-used-by-gamers-allows-security-for-Windows-XP-SP2 | Aug 10 17:54 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/08/10/windows-xp-sp2-trick-pc-init-thinking-sp3-is-installed/ | Aug 10 17:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Windows XP SP2: Hack Allows Shortcut Patch To Be Installed : Product Reviews Net .::. Size~: 24.6 KB | Aug 10 17:55 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=259345 | Aug 10 17:56 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: News: Microsoft fighting to sell 360 in China - ComputerAndVideoGames.com .::. Size~: 214.26 KB | Aug 10 17:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Despite being manufactured in China, the current generation of home consoles are illegal in the giant country - and have been since 2000. However, Microsoft is currently lobbying to sell the 360 in China." | Aug 10 17:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Although it is still unclear why consoles are banned, a Niko Partners researcher recently said that the government felt that this action would prevent the youth from wasting their mind." | Aug 10 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | The Chinese government would ban all the decent games anyway | Aug 10 17:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And their money, I might point out. As XBox360 have a dismal high failure rate. | Aug 10 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | and make Microsoft put out crap that included Chinese propaganda | Aug 10 17:58 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> and make Microsoft put out crap that included Chinese propaganda" And MS would glady put out the commie propaganda, as MS bans imformation in Bing as per the Comunist Government their. | Aug 10 18:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Then again, maybe MS and Red China just have more in common than we think. They both are control freaks. | Aug 10 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Chinese Guy: "I just played an hour of the new Need For Speed game. Why do I suddenly want to buy Nike shoes, Doritos, Mountain Dew, and Gillete shaving products?" | Aug 10 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | "Could anyone else go for some Burger King about now?" | Aug 10 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 18:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/09/microsoft_ends_employee_purchase_program/ Another small employee benefit cut, squeeze your own employees for extra cash. | Aug 10 18:02 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367585,00.asp And there it is, right on one of MS sites, but at least they found it this time. How many malware have MS missed is the question? | Aug 10 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Malware Circulating on 4Chan Forums | News & Opinion | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 64.76 KB | Aug 10 18:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/10/hotmail_complaints_chrome_fix/ This is good, MS has to use a Google product to fix their updates on Hotmail. "Microsoft has advised Hotmail users struggling to access their email accounts to surf via Google?s Chrome browser in order to successfully connect to the recently overhauled service." | Aug 10 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Hotmail still not working? Use Chrome to fix it, says MS • The Register .::. Size~: 24.78 KB | Aug 10 18:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Why not just switch from Hotmail to Gmail in the first place. | Aug 10 18:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Many have griped that emails have disappeared and that scripting errors in Hotmail prevent them from composing new messages. Others cannot access their accounts at all, and the grumbles are continuing to mount up in the Hotmail forums. Some users are furious at Microsoft for rolling out a buggy product without fully testing it first." | Aug 10 18:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Linux safer than Windows http://ur1.ca/11xu6 "Windows procedures [...] were not designed with security in mind." | Aug 10 18:09 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is not very competent, but is setting a new low lately. | Aug 10 18:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ubuntu Kernel Developer releases Firmware Test Suite http://ur1.ca/11xuk Canonical patches for #linux | Aug 10 18:11 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Kernel Developer releases Firmware Test Suite - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.27 KB | Aug 10 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | This makes it a [Microsoft] HTML application, a[n] [Internet Explorer]-based program that can be run from the command line. | Aug 10 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | fixed that paragraph for them | Aug 10 18:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, not very much in the MS news today, anyway, Roy probably seen all that by now. | Aug 10 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I used the Group Policy Editor to make all security zones stuck to High | Aug 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | including the Local Computer Zone | Aug 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | so such a thing wouldn't do anything at all on my system | Aug 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | even if it did manage to run | Aug 10 18:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Nothing new on Steve Sweaty Ballmer, its almost like they decided to lock him in with no speaking engagements. Why would they do such a thing? | Aug 10 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft lets users of more expensive versions of Windows lock down dangerous things in Windows | Aug 10 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | so if you have GPedit you can easily decrease the attack surface of Windows by, a lot | Aug 10 18:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC>what are you doing with Windows? And why? | Aug 10 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | but home users don't have that | Aug 10 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | or the sense to use it | Aug 10 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | Cause I already have a license to use any version of it I care to | Aug 10 18:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just use Linux, BSD, Solarious, and you don't have to bother with all the Malware problems of Windose. | Aug 10 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | and a few programs that fail badly in Wine | Aug 10 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | the disk is enormous | Aug 10 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | dual booting is not difficult | Aug 10 18:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Licence is worthless, if the software is krap. | Aug 10 18:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ok, I see you might want it for some game, that would not work in wine. | Aug 10 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | I actually have Software Assurance level access to Microsoft stuff | Aug 10 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | so I have things that weren't even OEM or retail | Aug 10 18:17 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | As a former MVP? | Aug 10 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | such as Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs | Aug 10 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | (stripped down component-based XP Professional) | Aug 10 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | I have connections | Aug 10 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft holds out on practically all the goodies | Aug 10 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | unless you've paid them a fortune | Aug 10 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | or have such an account | Aug 10 18:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | wrong, they don't have any real goodies | Aug 10 18:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is Google Naive, Crafty or Stupid? - http://huff.to/9o2XwX answers on the back of an IP packet #netneutrality | Aug 10 18:19 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they have buggie software | Aug 10 18:19 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | There software is a vast malware target just waiting to happen. Since MS sets up it windows by default as Admin. | Aug 10 18:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *Their | Aug 10 18:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *MS | Aug 10 18:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And the middleware of MS, is an even worse Malware Target, no matter what privedge you run it under. Although better as normal user. | Aug 10 18:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not to mention, in most countries, MS made it as impossible as they could to remove middleware like IE, Outlook, WMP, and Messinger. | Aug 10 18:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Once you uninstall all the MS middleware, run as Normal user (not admin), install a good antivirus/antimalware, put the lan or internet cable, and never install any software (trojans), expoxy the usb ports shut, then Windows is only somewhat secure. | Aug 10 18:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *put=pull | Aug 10 18:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That still leaves the cd and floppy drives to infect the windows system. | Aug 10 18:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ok, I done with my rant now, continue on. | Aug 10 18:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks War Data Visualizations | Atlantic http://bit.ly/97prVQ | Aug 10 18:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Obama's Iran Fantasy | Weekly Standard http://bit.ly/c0vsnk | Aug 10 18:33 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, suggestion on your IRC rules. New members, should be kicked sooner than regulars. As this stops the Lin*** trolls/shills much faster. | Aug 10 18:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Its like a new member would be on probation for awhile | Aug 10 18:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Amnesty International spokeswoman Susanna Flood confirms there was no authorized statement on WikiLeaks. | Aug 10 18:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | Linsux is actually kind of funny to read | Aug 10 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | they have a pet name for Roy | Aug 10 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | "Shitzferwitz" or something to that effect | Aug 10 18:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They are trolls, but more likely they are MS Shills. | Aug 10 18:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They have done a good job of hiding there mentor. Which means someone did it for them, as they the members there, doubtfully have that kind of knownledge. | Aug 10 18:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Anyone know where I can get a copy of open office that doesn't crash all the fucking time? | Aug 10 18:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | they supposedly like FreeBSD | Aug 10 18:50 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @dhohndel KDE 4.5 released. Would love to try. Is there a GOOD set of RPMs for Fedora 13 anywhere? Well integrated and working? | Aug 10 18:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Arabic Linux Distribution Ojuba Launches its 4th Edition: Riyadh http://ur1.ca/11y8j Never heard of it | Aug 10 18:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Open Office sadly feels so fragile that it's apt to crash at any time, such as when you try to save a file. Not productive. | Aug 10 18:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | Mr. Bacon is back | Aug 10 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | Mr. Bacon sounds like the thrilling sequel to Mr. Bean to me | Aug 10 18:57 |
| *amarsh04 hasn't used OOo much, but it hasn't crashed on me either. Currently installed version 1:3.2.1-3 | Aug 10 18:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] FBI Prioritizes Copyright Issues; Not So Concerned About Missing Persons http://dlvr.it/3d3hL | Aug 10 18:57 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Thistleweb> what version OO, and what distro version? | Aug 10 19:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Embedded Linux runs on virtually every smart phone today" -IBM http://ur1.ca/11yb8 | Aug 10 19:01 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Raytheon uses "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 with a strict Security Enhanced Linux policy" http://ur1.ca/11ycl | Aug 10 19:06 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I thought nymphshifting was looked down on? | Aug 10 19:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] How to remove keyring password feature from Ubuntu ? (not asking for removing keyring) #ubuntu | Aug 10 19:09 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: Bean was a lot funnier | Aug 10 19:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @rabbleca Linda McQuaig: New fighter jets have no 'useful military role' http://bit.ly/cBoFm6 #cdnpoli // that's an understatement | Aug 10 19:10 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/googles-latest-gaming-acquisition-jamboolsocial-gold/2355 | Aug 10 19:10 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, I thought about asking Burger King to make me a 7 layer whopper with bacon | Aug 10 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | just so I could photograph it | Aug 10 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 19:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] FBI Prioritizes Copyright Issues; Not So Concerned About Missing Persons - http://bit.ly/buCoQG sick or what? #copyright #fbi | Aug 10 19:11 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "So do you think it might mean something that Google has been making some big investments in social gaming, the most recent of which (unconfirmed by Google, but widely reported) is a virtual currency platform for games? Yeah, I think it might. As in Google is going to own the social gaming space really soon along with the related ad revenues it will suddenly be able to command." | Aug 10 19:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android is long-term threat for iPhone http://ur1.ca/11yew over 200,000 units per day now | Aug 10 19:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Android Applications Much Safer, Than iPhone Applications http://ur1.ca/11yek #linux #android | Aug 10 19:12 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Google moving into gaming is interesting | Aug 10 19:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Google?s core business isn?t search; it?s advertising. Anything they can do to keep you on their properties longer and learn more about you gives them more opportunities to surface ads that are increasingly relevant." | Aug 10 19:15 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | misterfluffy, wasn't that the stuffed bunny with the voice of Goldwaith on a Married with Children type clone years ago? | Aug 10 19:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Courtney Fox started on that show, can't think of the shows name. | Aug 10 19:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *starred | Aug 10 19:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Unhapply Ever After | Aug 10 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Married With Children ftw | Aug 10 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | can I get a "Whoa Bundy!"? | Aug 10 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They should remake that Show, Steve Ballmer as Al Bundy | Aug 10 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 10 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | that's an insult to Al | Aug 10 19:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well yes, but it would be campier that way | Aug 10 19:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell is having serious problems at the moment -- serious enough to issue a press release about them | Aug 10 19:22 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't recall Al throwing chairs and sweating like a pig | Aug 10 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | and shouting Developers Developers Developers!!! | Aug 10 19:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just think, "Whoa Ballmer!" it works | Aug 10 19:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | maybe that would be a cool morph, Bundy sitting in the sofa, with his hand in his pants like he always did, with Steve face morphed in there. | Aug 10 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Big Red beside him | Aug 10 19:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> I don't recall Al throwing chairs and sweating like a pig" Well, yeah, shoe salesmen have to have some sort of inner dignity. Bundy did have a sort of class that Ballmer would be hard pressed to match. | Aug 10 19:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bill Gates as Jefferson Darsesy? | Aug 10 19:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/steve-ballmer-bill-gates,10896.html | Aug 10 19:32 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The woman who brought down HP's CEO seems like a failed actress based on recent record. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0167546/ | Aug 10 19:33 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "What if Steve Ballmer Left Microsoft Today? He would change his name back to Al Bundy and start selling shoes again." | Aug 10 19:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hmm, #topcoder registration not working in #Safari. :( | Aug 10 19:35 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Onto my fourth hour on the phone and then no more calls today! Woo! | Aug 10 19:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Hidden Linux : Die Flash Cookie, Die! http://ur1.ca/11yqu useful new tips #AdobeTrash | Aug 10 19:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz I question your wording. "Woman who brought down" - he brought himself down! http://bit.ly/9mdFCE #hp | Aug 10 19:47 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | any good graphic artists the could morph this picture: http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://taioo.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Married-With-Children-tv-01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://taioo.net/tag/married/&h=315&w=445&sz=39&tbnid=ka0scaJFYyl9sM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpictures%2Bmarried%2Bwith%2Bchildren&hl=en&usg=__ON2GMSf8phrjCvSTXNCQjCkBqW4=&sa=X&ei=hJxhTK2mMo_QsAPp9PyACA&ved=0CCYQ9QEwBA | Aug 10 19:48 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Census Returning $1.6 Billion to Treasury http://ur1.ca/11ywl | Aug 10 19:58 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @linuxfoundation: If u missed Android/Kernel #linuxcon session, @linuxscribe has a great writeup here: http://bit.ly/aneKTX | Aug 10 20:01 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I red in one of the comments somewhere on a news site, that when the offical unemployment rate for July came out for USA, with job losses in the 160 thousands, that the people classified as no long seeking employment, was appoximately 250,000. If this is true, it paints a very painful bleek picture here. | Aug 10 20:01 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer Rules? What rules? #TheLarry explains that CEOs can ignore rules the rest has to follow. Geez. http://is.gd/ebfYx | Aug 10 20:02 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ce-Oh no he didn't!: Larry Ellison likens HP board to 'idiots' at Apple - Engadget .::. Size~: 7.59 KB | Aug 10 20:02 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 160,000+250,000= close to the real number for July | Aug 10 20:03 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hey Montana, watch Dry Erase Board Girl rocket boost her career while keeping her clothes on. #NotTheKardashianApprovedMethod | Aug 10 20:04 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16710/microsoft_shows_weakness_with_anti_apple_campaign | Aug 10 20:07 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Apple has grabbed the tablet market. That matters. Analysts at Rethink Technology Research believe three-quarters of tablet and smartbook sales will come at the expense of other devices such as netbooks and laptops through 2014." | Aug 10 20:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I am thinking that Tablets will go the same way as | Aug 10 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Smartphone | Aug 10 20:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | In that first Apple makes a splash, followed by Android taking over. | Aug 10 20:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya Akamai gives #linux servers for Microsoft to serve pages better :-) | Aug 10 20:09 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Apple cannot, or will not, compete with Android devices on price or freedom. | Aug 10 20:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And then there is ChromeOS, which might be a wildcard for Google. | Aug 10 20:11 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer you antagonise Ubuntu and Google too much | Aug 10 20:11 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @davidjoachim: Confirmed RT @nytimes NYT NEWS ALERT: Ted Stevens, Former Senator From Alaska, Dies in Plane Crash | Aug 10 20:13 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody Fotopedia merely 'consumes' CC content and only serves DRM prison | Aug 10 20:14 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra is right about Canonical and tracking | Aug 10 20:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hooray for meaningless symbols of status! | Aug 10 20:19 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @eikonos @qu1j0t3 I revise my opinion of Gingrich..He's a sociopath who realized how useful "christian angle" is //describes most of them | Aug 10 20:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] HP announces webOS tablet for 2011. http://is.gd/ebRwb Finally some clarity on what HP was planning for Palm? I hope. | Aug 10 20:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] a sentence w/ "buffalo" repeated any # of times is grammatically correct (according to Chomskyan grammar) http://bit.ly/3hGPo3 via @shaffren | Aug 10 20:29 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Ramadan mubarak to all! :D | Aug 10 20:31 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Town Shuts Down Pinball Hall, Because Pinball Was Deemed Evil In the 1960s http://dlvr.it/3dCXr | Aug 10 20:32 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @mrhinkle According to Wm Coekaerts 27% of Oracle DB users deploy on Solaris & 20% deploy on Linux #linuxcon | Aug 10 20:33 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz why, does it add DRM? | Aug 10 20:36 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz ~50% #oracle on #windows? #fail | Aug 10 20:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @sjvn Oracle's Wim, while not mentioning OpenSolaris, is saying that VirtualBox is co-equal with Xen & KVM. #Linuxcon | Aug 10 20:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@cdashiell Who knew that being mayor of a meth lab town would be a gateway to national influence? // I assume that's rhetorical ;) | Aug 10 20:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Landshare - http://bit.ly/cA9xHS "connecting growers to people with land to share"; cool (via @openworld @ShareableDesign) #sharing | Aug 10 20:41 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @lxoliva Debian rolls out its own #linuxlibre 2.6.32, moving redistributable blobs to non-free. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwar ... | Aug 10 20:44 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody why bother? - http://bit.ly/bUdV8y if you want to get anything done today, do *not* notice how many galaxies | Aug 10 20:45 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody Christopher Hitchens has been rather pretentious about him smoking | Aug 10 20:49 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @sjvn RT @jperlow: Chris Gulker just found out he's going to die soon. I'm speechless, and saddened. http://bit.ly/9kNLeV | Aug 10 20:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @einfeldt C'mon Google straighten up RT @mkapor: Net Neutrality carve-outs for mobile anything new? http://bit.ly/9lZCeZ | Aug 10 20:59 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Comedy: http://is.gd/ebTze | Aug 10 21:01 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @wikileaks Amnesty International spokeswoman Susanna Flood confirms there was no authorized statement on WikiLeaks. #smearcampaign | Aug 10 21:07 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @dhohndel KDE 4.5 released. Would love to try. Is there a GOOD set of RPMs for Fedora 13 anywhere? Well integrated and working? | Aug 10 21:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | The H1-B tax is unexpected | Aug 10 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | usually the only thing the Democrats and Republicans can agree on is to export as many US jobs as possible | Aug 10 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | and make it as cheap as they can for such applications | Aug 10 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | the only time such a tax is usually even talked about is when they want to up their "campaign contributions" | Aug 10 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | then once all that money lands on them, they stop discussing the issue :) | Aug 10 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | until the next year anyway | Aug 10 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart was lobbying in favor of the "healthcare bill" btw, schestowitz | Aug 10 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | they'd love nothing more than to have other people/companies subsidize even the few employees at Walmart who have decent health coverage | Aug 10 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | now they can just dump all their employees onto the "system" and avoid the bad PR because it now really isn't their problem | Aug 10 21:15 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <TechrightsBot> Title: Microsoft shows weakness with its anti-Apple campaign - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 64.5 KB | Aug 10 21:15 |
| schestowitz | The apple vs Microsoft articles miss the point | Aug 10 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's Coke vs. Pepsi | Aug 10 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | being the point? | Aug 10 21:16 |
| schestowitz | Wal-mart ftw | Aug 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | :-"| | Aug 10 21:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody it\s tied to hype* | Aug 10 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC | don't you mean ASDA? | Aug 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I don't shop there | Aug 10 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | your "regulators" banned Walmart, so they bought ASDA | Aug 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | We banned ASDA so they fired you :-pp | Aug 10 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | who fired me? | Aug 10 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt you would have tolerated the conditions there for long | Aug 10 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | things just get worse when you enter management | Aug 10 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | unless you're one of the few who can make it above Assistant | Aug 10 21:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz hype about what? | Aug 10 21:19 | |
| DaemonFC | which takes a long time, and puts you through a lot of bullshit | Aug 10 21:19 |
| schestowitz | http://adgrok.com/why-founding-a-three-person-startup-with-zero-revenue-is-better-than-working-for-goldman-sachs?source=patrick.net | Aug 10 21:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why founding a three-person startup with zero revenue is better than working for Goldman Sachs. | AdGrok .::. Size~: 183.67 KB | Aug 10 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | basically for the 1 in 100 managers who don't quit, get fired, or stall out at the Assistant Manager level, they're finally pulling down a decent salary and some benefits | Aug 10 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | until then you're hit with unpaid overtime | Aug 10 21:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody hype[pad|pad|phone] | Aug 10 21:21 | |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of stuff that's below you | Aug 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | Go work for Goldman | Aug 10 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | i.e. "Hey, cut X hours and get the job done" | Aug 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | $500k/year | Aug 10 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | OK, how do you do that? | Aug 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | To defraud the public | Aug 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | send someone home and stock shelves yourself | Aug 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | boy, this was worth going into management over | Aug 10 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | now you're doing 40 hours of your own work plus 20 hours of manual labor anyway | Aug 10 21:22 |
| schestowitz | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_JOBS_BILL?SITE=CAANG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT | Aug 10 21:23 |
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| DaemonFC | technically the store managers aren't supposed to do that to you | Aug 10 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/for-the-housing-convulsion-good-data-is-hard-to-find/?partner=rss&emc=rss | Aug 10 21:23 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @27bslash6 If anyone wants to read the full court transcript: http://www.27bslash6.com/4chan_court_docs.html // you bastard! | Aug 10 21:23 | |
| DaemonFC | but if the work doesn't get done, they'll write you up | Aug 10 21:23 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @schestowitz I see - yes, although I was considering the idea abstracted from the platform - should work on Android tablets, I imagine | Aug 10 21:23 | |
| DaemonFC | and not even worry about whose fault it really was | Aug 10 21:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/09/AR2010080906080.html?wprss=rss_business/economy | Aug 10 21:24 |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, It's like being responsible for all those decisions you aren't making | Aug 10 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | it's fun | Aug 10 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | you should try it | Aug 10 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | whatever happens, it's your fault | Aug 10 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | when something bad happens, it's your fault | Aug 10 21:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @glynmoody I searched for that, didn't find it | Aug 10 21:25 | |
| DaemonFC | when something good happens, your boss gets a raise | Aug 10 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | "downward pressure" | Aug 10 21:26 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 10 21:27 |
| amarsh04 | aka "race to the bottom"? | Aug 10 21:27 |
| DaemonFC | no, I'm talking more like the "shit runs downhill" theory :) | Aug 10 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | lower management, the types that get just enough rope to hang themselves | Aug 10 21:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Why Openness Leads To Greater Innovation: The Friction Of The Hold Up Problem http://dlvr.it/3dHjb | Aug 10 21:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | worst job position ever | Aug 10 21:29 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Walmart opens up a hidden account for each employee that they don't know about when they get hired | Aug 10 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | and starts buying a certain amount of Walmart stock in their name | Aug 10 21:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1251_signs.jpg | Aug 10 21:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KB | Aug 10 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | when you quit you get the chance to cash it out and pay lots of taxes on it | Aug 10 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | I always kind of wondered why they do that | Aug 10 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | evading some law probably | Aug 10 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | or some of their own taxes | Aug 10 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | also, having any stock, even a share, makes you a member of management | Aug 10 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | and ineligible to join a union | Aug 10 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably that and then a number of other reasons | Aug 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2010/08/05/linux-mint-9-kde-isadora/ | Aug 10 21:32 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Linux Mint 9 KDE (Isadora) Review | Desktop Linux Reviews .::. Size~: 112.04 KB | Aug 10 21:32 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: this channel is not about wal-mart | Aug 10 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Join #boycottnovell-social or #techrights | Aug 10 21:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Had my first regular call with the new Debian Project Leader today. Stefano is awesome. :-) #ubuntu #debian | Aug 10 21:33 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODQ5MA | Aug 10 21:33 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Canonical Begins Tracking Ubuntu Installations .::. Size~: 18.79 KB | Aug 10 21:33 |
| schestowitz | This one gets discussed a lolt | Aug 10 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | Did he tell them about the 7ono Bacon Burger? | Aug 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | No. | Aug 10 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Stop agitating jono_ | Aug 10 21:34 |
| MinceR | i think he deserves at least some agitation for advertising m$ as the community manager of canonical | Aug 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | it wasn't a Ubuntu site | Aug 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | His personal band (hobby/off work) | Aug 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | jono_ also uses skype | Aug 10 21:35 |
| MinceR | it isn't exactly difficult to connect those things | Aug 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | We spoke yesterday | Aug 10 21:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: jono_ was using Windows before Linux and so did I | Aug 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | And you.... | Aug 10 21:36 |
| MinceR | you can bet m$ apologists and marketroids are going to use this against gnu/linux | Aug 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: probably | Aug 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | that's why it's bad | Aug 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | "Linux sucks for sound" FUD | Aug 10 21:36 |
| schestowitz | http://derstandard.at/1280984081593/Ubuntu-We-have-no-plans-to-fork-GNOME | Aug 10 21:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu: "We have no plans to fork GNOME" - Linux/Unix - derStandard.at › Web .::. Size~: 75.53 KB | Aug 10 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Obvious statement in the headline | Aug 10 21:37 |
| schestowitz | You think, "Wait.... did anyone actually suggest that??" | Aug 10 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | or that they hadn't already | Aug 10 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat: "we don't have plans to fork Linux" | Aug 10 21:37 |
| schestowitz | "mmmkey?" | Aug 10 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | We had a plan to fork GNOME | Aug 10 21:38 |
| MinceR | some people say that the mass of distro-specific patches already constitute forking :> | Aug 10 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | we forked GNOME | Aug 10 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | we now have no plans to fork GNOME | Aug 10 21:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: fork sounds bad | Aug 10 21:38 |
| schestowitz | They spooned it | Aug 10 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Like ice cream! | Aug 10 21:38 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 10 21:38 |
| schestowitz | Yummmmmmmmmmy. | Aug 10 21:38 |
| MinceR | or sporked | Aug 10 21:38 |
| MinceR | spork! | Aug 10 21:38 |
| schestowitz | B0orkB0orkB0orkB0ork | Aug 10 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | having a plan kind of infers that it hasn't already been done | Aug 10 21:39 |
| jono_ | MinceR, I agree that using Win7 may seem as a step back, but rest assured as soon as the device works in Linux, I will loudly advertise my use of Linux | Aug 10 21:39 |
| jono_ | also, I think the openness of streaming the recording online is helping to raise awareness of the Creative Commons | Aug 10 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100806/15462810537.shtml | Aug 10 21:39 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A Day In The Life Of Legalized Extortion: How The BMI Shakedown Works | Techdirt .::. Size~: 293.98 KB | Aug 10 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | did the concept of saving the receipt and trying again get lost somewhere in the mix? | Aug 10 21:39 |
| MinceR | is Adobe Trash the only way to stream a recording online now? | Aug 10 21:39 |
| jono_ | so I agree having to the use Win7 is not perfect, but I hope the benefits for Free Culture will help things | Aug 10 21:39 |
| MinceR | i doubt it | Aug 10 21:39 |
| jono_ | DaemonFC, I didn't see any other hardware options within my budget | Aug 10 21:40 |
| jono_ | so the choice was either use Win or not stream at all | Aug 10 21:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Mozilla did it with Ogg IIRC | Aug 10 21:40 |
| jono_ | and I think the streaming is good for free culture | Aug 10 21:40 |
| schestowitz | And was commended for it | Aug 10 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Or wait... I think it was GNOME | Aug 10 21:40 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla used Adobe Trash | Aug 10 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | streaming with Flash(R) from Windows 7(R) helps the Free Culture | Aug 10 21:40 |
| MinceR | net radios don't rely on Trash, for example | Aug 10 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still not quite following, but whatever | Aug 10 21:41 |
| *schestowitz renamed .macromedia ~/.macromediaZOMBIE today | Aug 10 21:41 | |
| schestowitz | Like deleting the cookies | Aug 10 21:41 |
| cubevector | there's gnash :) | Aug 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | It needs funding | Aug 10 21:41 |
| MinceR | and swfdec | Aug 10 21:41 |
| schestowitz | Development halted | Aug 10 21:41 |
| MinceR | but none of them are up-to-date | Aug 10 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | there's also things like Icecast | Aug 10 21:41 |
| cubevector | yeah I saw | Aug 10 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | and Ogg Vorbis | Aug 10 21:41 |
| jono_ | DaemonFC, I can understand your frustration, but I think the general effort will help when I release a full album and the original tracks all under CC license :) | Aug 10 21:41 |
| cubevector | I'm switching to AROS for my streaming :) | Aug 10 21:42 |
| jono_ | DaemonFC, speaking of which, what kind of music do you like? | Aug 10 21:42 |
| schestowitz | sissy licence *giggles(* | Aug 10 21:42 |
| jono_ | schestowitz LOL | Aug 10 21:42 |
| *MinceR rolls his eyes | Aug 10 21:42 | |
| DaemonFC | acoustic rock is always a good choice | Aug 10 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 21:42 |
| jono_ | DaemonFC, nice! | Aug 10 21:42 |
| MinceR | but metal is always a better choice | Aug 10 21:42 |
| jono_ | alice in chains? | Aug 10 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Aug 10 21:42 |
| jono_ | MinceR, hi-five! | Aug 10 21:42 |
| jono_ | lol | Aug 10 21:42 |
| *schestowitz has jono's first album on 3 HDDs | Aug 10 21:42 | |
| *DaemonFC smacks jono with Limp Bizkit | Aug 10 21:42 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 21:42 |
| schestowitz | http://excesscopyright.blogspot.com/2010/08/access-copyrights-excessive-45-per.html | Aug 10 21:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://thresq.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/08/will-the-salahis-sue-us-for-calling-them-white-house-party-crashers.html | Aug 10 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Will the Salahis sue us for calling them White House party crashers? .::. Size~: 44.88 KB | Aug 10 21:43 |
| *schestowitz dislikes mafiaa | Aug 10 21:43 | |
| jono_ | DaemonFC, dude, I love their Faith cover | Aug 10 21:43 |
| jono_ | I used to headbang to that in a club | Aug 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Limp Bizkit - bad name, great music | Aug 10 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | Audioslave disappeared too soon | Aug 10 21:44 |
| Aondo | nothing better than shpongle :D | Aug 10 21:44 |
| DaemonFC | the Sessions @ AOL was not bad, but only ever materialized in MP3 as far as I know | Aug 10 21:44 |
| jono_ | schestowitz hehe | Aug 10 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Not that Severe Filth is better | Aug 10 21:45 |
| schestowitz | Cradle of Firth [sic] | Aug 10 21:45 |
| MinceR | that brings Cradle of Filth to mind | Aug 10 21:45 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 10 21:45 |
| schestowitz | beat you to it | Aug 10 21:45 |
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| DaemonFC | I have a couple of Winamp plug-ins I'm not too sure I can legally redistribute | Aug 10 21:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Britain's oldest house found in North Yorkshire - http://bit.ly/cumpFk 10,500-year-old, complete with sacred tree #archaeology #uk | Aug 10 21:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | one is an mpg123 based MP3 decoder | Aug 10 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | there was someone else maintaining that up until about 2006, but their build instructions still work more or less | Aug 10 21:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @OHnewsroom: Editor answering a caller’s question: “No you won’t be on TV. You called a newspaper.” | Aug 10 21:47 | |
| DaemonFC | someone is going to have to make MSVC project files for VLC if there's ever going to be a Win64 build of VLC | Aug 10 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | from what I've seen, they're just cross compiling with mingw32 | Aug 10 21:48 |
| *OsamaK has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) | Aug 10 21:49 | |
| DaemonFC | at one point they held a collection drive to buy a copy of 64-bit Windows and Visual Studio | Aug 10 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | then once they had the money, it never happened | Aug 10 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still wondering what happened | Aug 10 21:49 |
| schestowitz | WIndows is there >>>>>>>>>>>>>> | Aug 10 21:50 |
| schestowitz | Are you purposely injecting these topics? | Aug 10 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Aug 10 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | I'm just wondering why they won't account for what they spent that money on | Aug 10 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | since it wasn't earmarked for anything else | Aug 10 21:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] ♺ @webmink: Oracle apparently confirms it is no longer developing Solaris as open source (para 6): http://icio.us/zeyf3b | Aug 10 21:53 | |
| DaemonFC | "Solaris 11 will be a superset of what is in openSolaris." | Aug 10 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | that's rich | Aug 10 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | well, that's what happens when you wait until a piece of software is all but abandoned before you open source it | Aug 10 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much all proprietary UNIX variants exist only as legacy support contracts demand | Aug 10 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | the only healthy one is OS X | Aug 10 21:57 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @webmink Oracle apparently confirms it is no longer developing Solaris as open source (para 6): http://icio.us/zeyf3b >>looks bad | Aug 10 21:57 | |
| DaemonFC | and nobody is really using it as a server or with the first thought in mind as a UNIX variant | Aug 10 21:57 |
| MinceR | osx is not unix | Aug 10 21:57 |
| MinceR | unixes don't have to rely on rootless x | Aug 10 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | then why is it UNIX? :) | Aug 10 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | isn't a rootless X server where Linux will end up anyway? | Aug 10 21:59 |
| MinceR | i don't think you know what "rootless x" means | Aug 10 22:01 |
| cubevector | without a root window? | Aug 10 22:04 |
| cubevector | it's a bit ambiguous | Aug 10 22:04 |
| cubevector | or no task belonging to root, which is what you probably mean | Aug 10 22:05 |
| MinceR | indeed, without a root window | Aug 10 22:07 |
| MinceR | since it's running inside the Fisher Price Windowing System | Aug 10 22:07 |
| MinceR | bringing the side effects of the hack that is MultiFinder and other idiotic behavior into the 3. millennium | Aug 10 22:09 |
| *DaemonFC bludgeons MinceR with AOL 9.0 Security Edition with Topspeed Technology | Aug 10 22:09 | |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 10 22:09 |
| *MinceR dodges it with inhuman speed and agility | Aug 10 22:09 | |
| *MinceR bludgeons DaemonFC with a finger, shattering bone on contact | Aug 10 22:10 | |
| *DaemonFC is wearing Dragon Skin | Aug 10 22:10 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 22:10 |
| *MinceR easily overcomes that DR | Aug 10 22:11 | |
| cubevector | I think with KMS the idea was X could run without root privileges | Aug 10 22:11 |
| cubevector | not sure if any distro is doing that yet | Aug 10 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that requires useful drivers that are KMS aware | Aug 10 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | not the crap that is KMS aware or the crap that is not KMS aware | Aug 10 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 10 22:12 |
| MinceR | in other words, it requires free intel gpu drivers :> | Aug 10 22:12 |
| cubevector | ok so it's not quite there yet | Aug 10 22:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Howto do a smear campaign to stop #Android (and how it fails) http://is.gd/ebY5I | Aug 10 22:13 | |
| MinceR | but i'm not talking about running X without root privileges | Aug 10 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Android Wallpaper Apps Falsely Accused of Spyware and Stealing Sensitive User Data [FUD] | Android Tapp. Android App Reviews .::. Size~: 104.58 KB | Aug 10 22:13 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I just ousted @mercedesccs as the mayor of Hendon Railway Station on @foursquare! http://4sq.com/cdpeqD | Aug 10 22:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] building #erlang on OS X PowerPC - not one of the vendor test build platforms. Could be interesting. | Aug 10 22:15 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @webmink Oracle apparently confirms it is no longer developing Solaris as open source (para 6): http://icio.us/zeyf3b | Aug 10 22:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] The @jetblue attendant deserves a freaking MEDAL for dealing with the flying public for 28 years. I'm a flier and I salute you. | Aug 10 22:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @xoke: Apple have scrapped their plans for the new children's ipod after realising that iTouch Kids is not a good product name. | ROTFL | Aug 10 22:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] MT @jwildeboer @webmink #Oracle apparently ends open source #Solaris (para 6): http://icio.us/zeyf3b // i.e., killing it #INSANE #techrights | Aug 10 22:21 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 10/8/2010: Software Freedom Day, Nokia and Android, #GCC 4.5.1 Released http://techrights.org/2010/08/10/gcc-4-5-1-released/ | Aug 10 22:22 | |
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| MinceR | rotfl @ iTouch Kids | Aug 10 22:22 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox 4 has really done a lot to curb memory use bloat | Aug 10 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | but that's not saying a lot I guess | Aug 10 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | when it's typical to go over 300 megs to begin with | Aug 10 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Remember when there were no tabs and you had to open a new window for each page? | Aug 10 22:24 |
| MinceR | yes | Aug 10 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Remember when this used to be doable on a machine that only had 64 MB of RAM? | Aug 10 22:24 |
| MinceR | i also remember when MDI in a browser (opera) seemed like a strange idea :) | Aug 10 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Remember when the OS was already using most of that RAM and you could open new pages in new windows and still not slow down your PC something horrible? | Aug 10 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox takes more memory to run than three entire copies of Windows 2000 | Aug 10 22:25 |
| MinceR | i don't remember allowing an OS to waste most of RAM | Aug 10 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | that's kind of disturbing | Aug 10 22:26 |
| MinceR | when WMP tried to do that i quickly closed it and didn't touch it again | Aug 10 22:26 |
| MinceR | (a media player using 40MB RAM on a PC that has 32MB RAM? no thanks.) | Aug 10 22:26 |
| cubevector | uh, I'm running firefox on a machine with 320 megs of ram | Aug 10 22:26 |
| cubevector | also on another machine with 384 megs of ram | Aug 10 22:26 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] RT @rhh: RT @CBCNews: Online gambling coming to Ontario http://bit.ly/cxZ8X8 | Aug 10 22:27 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Weekly Links #15 http://goo.gl/fb/saZjy | Aug 10 22:27 | |
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| cubevector | I'm using 3.6.3 at the moment | Aug 10 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | lol @ PC-BSD | Aug 10 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | warning that GNOME isn't supported and installing it will almost certainly break your system | Aug 10 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://faqs.pcbsd.org/index.php?action=artikel&cat=8&id=334&artlang=en | Aug 10 22:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Knowledge Base - Can I use Gnome with PC-BSD? .::. Size~: 24.56 KB | Aug 10 22:31 |
| cubevector | so what DE does PC-BSD use? | Aug 10 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | KDE | Aug 10 22:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Payola Scandals Show Why Performance Rights Tax Makes No Sense http://dlvr.it/3dQmd | Aug 10 22:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Payola Scandals Show Why Performance Rights Tax Makes No Sense | Techdirt .::. Size~: 27.5 KB | Aug 10 22:55 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @jefro_net: Thanks to all who attended Desktop Linux Showdown slides available here: http://bit.ly/cSUWqr Me: Not your usual slides. ;-) | Aug 10 23:04 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: RT @shorester: "Let's just both keep drinking 'til one of us turns pretty." #botchedpickuplines (via... http://ff.im/p2i6q | Aug 10 23:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/how-pathetic-is-microsofts-macs-might-spoil-your-fun-campaign/7926 | Aug 10 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How pathetic is Microsoft's 'Macs might spoil your fun' campaign? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 109.26 KB | Aug 10 23:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Ubuntu Global Jam: We Need Your Events! http://is.gd/ec1Mf #ubuntu #locoteams | Aug 10 23:08 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Ubuntu Global Jam: We Need Your Events! | jonobacon@home .::. Size~: 24.24 KB | Aug 10 23:08 |
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| _Goblin | hi all | Aug 10 23:11 |
| MinceR | i think that the m$ vs. crApple war is a good thing | Aug 10 23:11 |
| MinceR | let them kill each other | Aug 10 23:12 |
| MinceR | gn | Aug 10 23:12 |
| _Goblin | ... | Aug 10 23:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Trains delayed again.....what a miserable service. | Aug 10 23:14 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fascinating #data mining analysis tell you what people find more attractive in profile photos - #OkCupid http://okcupid.com/z/bi5c | Aug 10 23:14 | |
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| jono_ | _Goblin, hey pal | Aug 10 23:15 |
| jono_ | long time! | Aug 10 23:15 |
| jono_ | hows things? | Aug 10 23:15 |
| _Goblin | ji | Aug 10 23:16 |
| _Goblin | hi | Aug 10 23:16 |
| _Goblin | on mobile on train.....shocking service | Aug 10 23:16 |
| _Goblin | train that is. | Aug 10 23:16 |
| _Goblin | battery about to die soon too | Aug 10 23:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz I am a grumpy old man that doesn't like what google and ubuntu are pretending while RHT and others actually DO stuff. | Aug 10 23:20 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Want to help Ubuntu and Debian work together even more? Join #debian-ubuntu IRC channel on irc.oftc.net #ubuntu #debian | Aug 10 23:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/45724096 "@schestowitz I am a grumpy old man that doesn't like what google and ubuntu are pretending while RHT and others actually DO stuff." | Aug 10 23:32 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah, it's good when they fight one another | Aug 10 23:32 |
| schestowitz | As long as they live Linux alone | Aug 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | jwildeboer makes Red Hat look very Ubuntu-hostile | Aug 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | I wonder how Red Hat feels about it | Aug 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | He also fuels fab vs Ubuntu | Aug 10 23:33 |
| schestowitz | They throw a hat and swag at him | Aug 10 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Then they see LinuxOutlaws throwing some dirt at Canonical | Aug 10 23:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer in my opinion, the Ubuntu rants are unproductive. it also makes Red Hat/Fedora look hostile. | Aug 10 23:36 | |
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