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| cubevector | I set up Linux boxes for family members | Aug 12 00:04 |
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| cubevector | dual boot in some cases | Aug 12 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Dual personalities | Aug 12 00:05 |
| cubevector | "I don't insist on dumping Windows all together but recent experience is making me think twice as the Ubuntu install with updates took about 2 hours while the Win XP install took one whole day" | Aug 12 00:05 |
| cubevector | windows sucks more and more the older your computer is | Aug 12 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Wow. I wrote about 25 posts today | Aug 12 00:06 |
| cubevector | drivers disappear, or become very difficult to find | Aug 12 00:06 |
| schestowitz | My record is 27 | Aug 12 00:06 |
| cubevector | then there's these sites that claim to find you any driver | Aug 12 00:07 |
| cubevector | waste of money (and time) | Aug 12 00:07 |
| cubevector | wouldn't be too hard to blog about the defiencies of doze but I'd rather blog about the good things in Linux | Aug 12 00:08 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] Apple renaming AppleTV to iTV... funny, I've been calling it that as an insult for years now; also, it can't do 1080p http://ur1.ca/13cnx | Aug 12 00:08 | |
| cubevector | it's really passé to talk about how much windows sucks | Aug 12 00:09 |
| cubevector | eventually I'll reach the point that I don't even remember using it :) | Aug 12 00:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] A sort of frog creature with enormous sums of money. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton | Aug 12 00:38 | |
| amarsh04 | on a Linux Journal message board: "Failure is not an option, it comes bundled with Windows..." | Aug 12 01:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Sun Rises In The Morning, Sets At Night, And Viacom Appeals YouTube Ruling http://dlvr.it/3gyhz | Aug 12 02:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Yawn. Good-night #Linuxcon. Most attendees just back in from a 3-hour trip around Boston harbor. | Aug 12 03:45 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Why Aren't More Companies Sued For Bogus 'Unlimited' Service Claims? http://dlvr.it/3hFR2 | Aug 12 05:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Moglen's right on Bilski, wrong on Open Invention Network. If it worked, why do so many companies pay #patent royalties on Linux? #LinuxCon | Aug 12 05:43 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Eben #Moglen always talks about #patent royalties but never about the actual problem: exclusionary strategic use such as by IBM. #LinuxCon | Aug 12 06:05 | |
| cubevector | wow, that was a bit odd but it worked | Aug 12 06:23 |
| cubevector | wasn't sure quasar would work via ssh | Aug 12 06:24 |
| amarsh04 | senator Conroy has mentioned the g word - gigabit internet access | Aug 12 06:25 |
| amarsh04 | http://www.smh.com.au/federal-election/nbn-to-announce-huge-increase-in-speed-20100811-11zqj.html | Aug 12 06:32 |
| MinceR | i forgot a lot about how much winblows sucked until i had to use it again | Aug 12 06:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] What an awesome day. Playing music, surrounded by awesome an encouraging people who love music and being creative. Happy Bacon. :-) | Aug 12 06:33 | |
| amarsh04 | which version? | Aug 12 06:33 |
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| MinceR | xp | Aug 12 06:35 |
| cubevector | for work I assume? | Aug 12 06:36 |
| MinceR | yes | Aug 12 06:36 |
| cubevector | well, at least they pay you :) | Aug 12 06:37 |
| cubevector | couldn't get k3b working over ssh | Aug 12 06:38 |
| cubevector | just ended up using mkisofs and cdrecord | Aug 12 06:38 |
| cubevector | it's good to stay in practise with the command line too | Aug 12 06:38 |
| schestowitz | "I guess open suse is trying to promote its backend lol " http://identi.ca/notice/45857303 | Aug 12 06:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: erm.... | Aug 12 06:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | why dont I get naked women on my birthday? :< | Aug 12 06:48 |
| MinceR | i wonder if the anti-free software trolls love novell enough not to make an issue of this | Aug 12 06:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @olpc Lubang Island (Philippines) needs an open-source hacker/integrator this fall for their kids+teachers! http://bit.ly/bGmZGk | Aug 12 07:11 | |
| *WireWulf is now known as Wulf-is-not-here | Aug 12 07:28 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell Still Uploads Many Videos to YouTube; OpenSUSE News and Expansion of #OpenSUSE Boosters Team Effort http://ur1.ca/13ge6 #suse | Aug 12 07:32 | |
| schestowitz | http://gigaom.com/2010/08/10/when-to-use-open-source-in-a-cloudy-world/ "Unfortunately for Stallman’s thesis, the world is built in shades of grey. vtiger’s open source comments beg more questions. In the email, Vtiger was quick to say that.." | Aug 12 07:52 |
| schestowitz | How they oversimplify the issue | Aug 12 07:52 |
| schestowitz | "Stallman’s remarks need to be seen in context; he comes from a perspective that sees these issues purely in black and white: Proprietary software bad; open source good." | Aug 12 07:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Portugal Gives Itself a Clean-Energy Makeover - http://nyti.ms/cjTmxc some hopeful signs #cleanenergy #portugal | Aug 12 07:54 | |
| amarsh04 | I noticed in that recent RMS interview that in his visit to Australia in October that he will be visiting Mount Gambier. A state school there (Grant High School) is one of the few state schools in Australia that has made extensive use of Free software. | Aug 12 07:57 |
| amarsh04 | it would be good to hop down there but it's nearly 400 km away. | Aug 12 07:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google Wave fans set up protest site http://ur1.ca/13gmu They can fork #wavefail | Aug 12 07:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Free Technology Academy working to offer more Free Software online teaching - http://bit.ly/anvUMA "shared development" #freesw #education | Aug 12 07:58 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Viacom To Google: We Are Appealing The YouTube Decision - http://bit.ly/dADkKR unsurprising, if pointless #copyright #google | Aug 12 08:00 | |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: you can get the video instead | Aug 12 08:01 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Lightspark is a Nifty Open Source Flash Alternative - http://bit.ly/9yS3FE so how does this compare to Gnash? #flash #opensource | Aug 12 08:02 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why computer programs should not be patentable – In easy-to-understand terms - http://bit.ly/ahdLfu "every program is just a number" #swpats | Aug 12 08:17 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Stranded Wave users can use http://pygowave.net/ [via @nhi ] | Aug 12 08:18 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Californians' income sees 1st decline since WWII http://ur1.ca/13gw3 #economics | Aug 12 08:23 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/11/AR2010081105091.html?nav=rss_business/industries | Aug 12 08:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Chaos in U.S. markets on trade deficit, global data .::. Size~: 87.18 KB | Aug 12 08:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer RT @olpc Lubang Island (Philippines) needs an open-source hacker/integrator this fall for their kids+teachers! http://bit ... | Aug 12 08:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/business/global/12youth.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss | Aug 12 08:25 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] What Happened to Yahoo - http://bit.ly/cJEbG0 must-read piece: "Yahoo was the beneficiary of a de facto pyramid scheme" #yahoo #hackers | Aug 12 08:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Apple Confirms They’re Not Trying To Kill Third-Party Apps With Patents - http://tcrn.ch/aI7Qz4 no, of course not... #apple #patents | Aug 12 08:27 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple Confirms Theyre Not Trying To Kill Third-Party Apps With Patents .::. Size~: 73.25 KB | Aug 12 08:27 |
| schestowitz | http://lwn.net/Articles/399591/ | Aug 12 08:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Red Hat alert RHSA-2010:0616-01 (dbus-glib) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 15.53 KB | Aug 12 08:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] E=mc2? Not on Conservapedia - http://bit.ly/dvkfid hilarious - where do they find these people? #science #cobblers | Aug 12 08:32 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: E=mc2? Not on Conservapedia - opinion - 11 August 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 56.87 KB | Aug 12 08:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Libel Tourism Law Official... Including Important Nod To Section 230 Safe Harbors - http://bit.ly/cdhFWH surprising but welcome #libel | Aug 12 08:34 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Libel Tourism Law Official... Including Important Nod To Section 230 Safe Harbors | Techdirt .::. Size~: 27.56 KB | Aug 12 08:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody What Happened to Yahoo - http://bit.ly/cJEbG0 must-read piece: "Yahoo was the beneficiary of a de facto pyramid scheme" | Aug 12 08:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody That article on software patents makes points that we programmers like but don't solve any problem under substantive patent law. | Aug 12 08:39 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents maybe, but I think it gets the point across to non-programmers quite well | Aug 12 08:40 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents above all, it emphasises the central point: software patents should not exist... | Aug 12 08:41 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody It doesn't get the point across to those who have to define patent law or patentability guidelines in terms of line-drawing. | Aug 12 08:42 | |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/is-the-linux-kernel-in-trouble | Aug 12 08:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is the Linux Kernel In Trouble? .::. Size~: 37.98 KB | Aug 12 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Sensationalism | Aug 12 08:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Another Embarassment For French 'Three Strikes' Agency... As Someone Beats Them To Filing For Trademark http://dlvr.it/3hYtz | Aug 12 08:46 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Another Embarassment For French 'Three Strikes' Agency... As Someone Beats Them To Filing For Trademark | Techdirt .::. Size~: 20.95 KB | Aug 12 08:46 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents maybe, maybe not; but if gets the point across to enough of their constituents, it will still help the situation | Aug 12 08:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody It's just a philosophical reasoning and decision-makers don't care about that in a context of economic/innovation policy. | Aug 12 08:47 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody Ultimately the decision-makers will be told by industry that patents are needed and abolishing swpat kills many other patents. | Aug 12 08:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents it doesn't supplant arguments based on economics, just provides a further perspective | Aug 12 08:50 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody The article's perspective is nice but it's politically ineffective and the author doesn't seem to know substantive patent law. | Aug 12 08:53 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Copyright Boss Refuses Debate with Pirate Bay Co-Founder - http://bit.ly/bo2S6l so he'd refuse to meet Nelson Mandela, too? #copyright | Aug 12 08:54 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Android Beats #Ubuntu and #Linux http://www.muktware.com/news/11/2010/283 #brand of Linux gets replaced with others | Aug 12 08:55 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Android Beats Ubuntu and Linux | Muktware .::. Size~: 17.03 KB | Aug 12 08:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Kernel Log: 2.6.36 development and new stable kernels and drivers http://ur1.ca/13h71 going strong, being trolled by ZDNet now | Aug 12 08:58 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Kernel Log: 2.6.36 development and new stable kernels and drivers - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 37.54 KB | Aug 12 08:58 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Adobe Still Shafts #Linux With H.264 GPU Decoding http://ur1.ca/13h9a why proprietary is bad for you. #AdobeTrash | Aug 12 09:10 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: [Phoronix] Adobe Still Shafts Linux With H.264 GPU Decoding .::. Size~: 18.61 KB | Aug 12 09:10 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 12/8/2010: #KDE Integrates Webkit, #Android Popularity Soars http://techrights.org/2010/08/12/android-popularity-soars/ | Aug 12 09:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 12/8/2010: KDE Integrates Webkit, Android Popularity Soars | Techrights .::. Size~: 137.6 KB | Aug 12 09:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-11/capmark-financial-creditors-ask-to-sue-citigroup-goldman-sachs-over-loan.html | Aug 12 09:49 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Aug 12 09:52 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] How Companies Can Keep their Programmers Happy - http://bit.ly/98HDMQ by letting them play with free software #hackers #programming | Aug 12 10:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Google executive buys 'spy drone' amid claims it will be used for Street View http://ur1.ca/13hu7 I'm thinking about the #1984 movie | Aug 12 10:19 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Google executive buys 'spy drone' amid claims it will be used for Street View - Telegraph .::. Size~: 52.71 KB | Aug 12 10:19 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Of course it will | Aug 12 10:35 |
| oiaohm | You think of all the spy tech google has already made. schestowitz | Aug 12 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Under the label streetview | Aug 12 10:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Sony Ericsson to introduce Android 3.0 gaming platform and PSP Go-like smartphone = http://bit.ly/bWqE6R more innovation in Android space | Aug 12 10:37 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Exclusive: Sony Ericsson to introduce Android 3.0 gaming platform and PSP Go-like smartphone -- Engadget .::. Size~: 219.32 KB | Aug 12 10:37 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah.. | Aug 12 10:38 |
| schestowitz | They could maybe profile what places you look at... for advertisers | Aug 12 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Are they yet doing listings for home on sale? | Aug 12 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall if it's in progress, rumoured, or done | Aug 12 10:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why should companies be allowed to sue for libel? - http://bit.ly/940aiK what for? hurt feelings...? #libel #uk | Aug 12 10:39 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Why should companies be allowed to sue for libel? | David Allen Green | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 91.09 KB | Aug 12 10:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Sony Ericsson to introduce Android 3.0 gaming platform and PSP Go-like smartphone = http://bit.ly/bWqE6R | Aug 12 10:41 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Exclusive: Sony Ericsson to introduce Android 3.0 gaming platform and PSP Go-like smartphone -- Engadget .::. Size~: 219.3 KB | Aug 12 10:41 |
| oiaohm | I know of a few reistates that use model helicopters with digtal cams to take air shots of properties already. schestowitz | Aug 12 10:42 |
| oiaohm | Really it would have been more fun if streetview had stuck to there tradition of building everything in house. | Aug 12 10:43 |
| schestowitz | Is that elgal? | Aug 12 10:43 |
| schestowitz | *legal | Aug 12 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Yes it is by the way schestowitz | Aug 12 10:43 |
| schestowitz | drones in your property? | Aug 12 10:43 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Aug 12 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Even into public space is allowed to a point. | Aug 12 10:44 |
| oiaohm | Only when you start using them to snoop are you legally in trouble. | Aug 12 10:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0b3/releasenotes/ | Aug 12 10:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox 4 Beta 3 is released http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0b3/releasenotes/ Looks great | Aug 12 10:46 | |
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| oiaohm | The scary thing here is metal storm the weapon company has already go to the level of turning something the size of a large remote helicoper into a flying weapon. | Aug 12 10:47 |
| schestowitz | Conventional wars with 'smart' weapons | Aug 12 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Metalstorm goal yes goal. Is called force multiplied. | Aug 12 10:52 |
| oiaohm | Basicallly design weapon systems that a single solider has the hitting force of a complete unit if not more. | Aug 12 10:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] MAP OF THE DAY: Check Out The New Cable System Revolutionizing Africa That Could Cost Companies Millions http://ur1.ca/13iam #africa | Aug 12 10:53 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Canonical explain the new Ubuntu census package http://ur1.ca/13ie0 Canonical's hire from Microsoft explains why... | Aug 12 11:00 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Canonical explain the new Ubuntu census package - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 33.52 KB | Aug 12 11:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] The same guy Canonical hired from Microsoft defended sending search to Microsoft ('Yahoo') and now census... http://ur1.ca/12s2s | Aug 12 11:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Raving Rick: Can we count users without uniquely identifying them? .::. Size~: 73.73 KB | Aug 12 11:03 |
| oiaohm | http://genode.org/documentation/release-notes/10.08 | Aug 12 11:04 |
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| oiaohm | Gallium3D is starting to spreed. schestowitz | Aug 12 11:04 |
| schestowitz | vmware? | Aug 12 11:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A Fund Manager Tries To Figure Out Whether Microsoft's Business Will Collapse http://ur1.ca/13igs "I have now changed my laptop to a linux" | Aug 12 11:06 | |
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| oiaohm | Genode independant to vmware. | Aug 12 11:07 |
| oiaohm | But the promise of Gallium3d to help to level the os out there is now showing more signs it might happen. | Aug 12 11:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] And I have finally managed to install Plone! I all I was missing was python-dev! :P | Aug 12 11:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] And I have finally installed Plone4rc1! All I was missing was python-dev! :P | Aug 12 11:12 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @omar_s_hafez new site? | Aug 12 11:16 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @eff: A Review of #Verizon and #Google's Net Neutrality Proposal http://eff.org/r.p76 #p #fsf #libreplanet | Aug 12 11:26 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A Review of Verizon and Google's Net Neutrality Proposal | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 25.61 KB | Aug 12 11:26 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Obama administration trying to press charges agains Assange-#Wikileaks http://bit.ly/b7Z0HH | Aug 12 11:48 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WikiLeaks' Julian Assange Could Face Criminal Charges from U.S. Allies - The Daily Beast .::. Size~: 294.44 KB | Aug 12 11:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @serk01 Obama administration trying to press charges against Assange-#Wikileaks http://bit.ly/b7Z0HH > and Cheney? | Aug 12 12:02 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WikiLeaks' Julian Assange Could Face Criminal Charges from U.S. Allies - The Daily Beast .::. Size~: 294.44 KB | Aug 12 12:02 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 12/8/2010: #Jolicloud Reviews, #OLPC Deployments in the #Philippines http://ur1.ca/13iyj !techrights | Aug 12 12:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 12/8/2010: #Jolicloud Reviews, #OLPC Deployments in the #Philippines http://ur1.ca/13iyj #techrights | Aug 12 12:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Links 12/8/2010: Jolicloud Reviews, OLPC Deployments in the Philippines | Techrights .::. Size~: 123.31 KB | Aug 12 12:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Unprecedented warming in Lake Tanganyika and its impact on humanity - http://bit.ly/aHgYhL not good #africa #climatechange | Aug 12 12:06 | |
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| schestowitz | Skype used to lose billions http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/080910-skype-ipo-tidbits.html | Aug 12 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Skype’s SEC filing reveals huge revenue swings .::. Size~: 102.37 KB | Aug 12 12:12 |
| schestowitz | They seem to be on the green now | Aug 12 12:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Department for Communities paid for massages, chauffeurs and trip to Blackpool pleasure beach - http://bit.ly/a7b1ED isn't #opendata fun? | Aug 12 12:14 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Department for Communities paid for massages, chauffeurs and trip to Blackpool pleasure beach | Politics | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 224.34 KB | Aug 12 12:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] NHL Team Offers 'Bid On Your Own Price' Season Tickets http://dlvr.it/3httV | Aug 12 12:21 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: NHL Team Offers 'Bid On Your Own Price' Season Tickets | Techdirt .::. Size~: 20.88 KB | Aug 12 12:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Just saw my credit card bills, eken m001 Netbook cost me INR 5724. (including shipping and tax) | Aug 12 12:48 | |
| schestowitz | http://venturebeat.com/2010/08/11/firefox-4-multitouch-windows-7/ | Aug 12 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Firefox browser update brings multitouch to Windows 7 | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 46.97 KB | Aug 12 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Getting a little Windows biased there | Aug 12 12:56 |
| schestowitz | DirectX stuff too | Aug 12 12:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] I support Eric Pickles - http://bit.ly/cZ7qQB & and I support @tom_watson supporting him (via @cyberdoyle) #opendata | Aug 12 12:56 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: I support Eric Pickles | Tom Watson MP .::. Size~: 28.99 KB | Aug 12 12:56 |
| oiaohm | multitouch offical form is not merged into X11 yet. | Aug 12 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Mozilla does already have the code when it does go offical. | Aug 12 12:57 |
| schestowitz | But still... | Aug 12 12:57 |
| schestowitz | What about plasma? | Aug 12 12:57 |
| schestowitz | I saw it has multitouch support for Vista 7 | Aug 12 12:57 |
| schestowitz | What about Linux? | Aug 12 12:57 |
| oiaohm | X11 multitouch interfaces are in the MPX merge. | Aug 12 12:58 |
| oiaohm | That is not merge X11 mainline yet. | Aug 12 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie not firefox fault there. schestowitz | Aug 12 12:58 |
| oiaohm | Direct X bit if you want to pick a bone with them go ahead. | Aug 12 12:59 |
| schestowitz | daemon was the one shouting over it | Aug 12 13:00 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I gotta run | Aug 12 13:00 |
| oiaohm | http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2010-August/011759.html << note the date schestowitz | Aug 12 13:00 |
| oiaohm | That is the first draft with a 30 day delay for comments before it can go mainline at the earliest. schestowitz | Aug 12 13:01 |
| oiaohm | Wine developers are watching this insanely closely. Xi2 will allow wine developers to fix many mouse errors wine has. schestowitz | Aug 12 13:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Vodafone backs down in Android row - http://bit.ly/9dHZMr interesting question of control #android #vodafone | Aug 12 13:10 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @fabsh OMG Ubuntu on Nautilus Elementary: "it's a cool Finder clone!" Why on EARTH would ANYBODY want to clone the FINDER???? Serious ... | Aug 12 13:25 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Cave miners close to connecting three British counties underground - http://bit.ly/9u12yU wow: "100 miles of limestone tunnels" #uk | Aug 12 13:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Is climate change burning Russia? - http://bit.ly/9NHKw1 "Climate change will continue to push temperatures" #russia | Aug 12 13:40 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is climate change burning Russia? - environment - 12 August 2010 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 55.03 KB | Aug 12 13:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] ACTA Meeting Expands to Full Week of Talks, All Participants - http://bit.ly/carFo9 hmm, looks like they mean it #acta | Aug 12 13:43 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] I just ousted @mayeesherr as the mayor of Hendon Central Underground Station on @foursquare! http://4sq.com/9iuGY3 | Aug 12 14:26 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] LA Times Barred From Publishing Photo Of Murder Suspect http://dlvr.it/3j5QZ | Aug 12 14:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] Is there a way to present a host directory to #kvm guest as if it was an usb disk, or something similar? #fedora | Aug 12 14:29 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Next week's ACTA meeting appears to be full round - all participants, full agenda, full wk of talks. http://bit.ly/9p4wVl | Aug 12 14:34 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[serk01/@serk01] Eben Moglen on the future of #software #patents http://bit.ly/9E9d62 | Aug 12 14:48 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Today I got another Android Tablet for development purpose. #android , 200 dollar tablet. http://post.ly/rSWD | Aug 12 14:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Every time something like this happens, I wonder more and more, what's the difference between him and Dubya? http://bit.ly/a4sWo7 | Aug 12 15:24 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Relax Mr Policemen, we all know the verdict in advance 'Innocent of all charges, just doing your duty' http://bit.ly/aMztqB | Aug 12 15:28 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Cdn Alliance of Student Assoc. posts its objection to Access Copyright tariff proposal [PDF] http://bit.ly/b3BY2v | Aug 12 15:34 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Early take on India's $35 tablet: 'Fairly impressive' http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20013370-1.html vapourware still? | Aug 12 15:42 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Did Korean Officials Really Need To Raid Google Offices Over Street View WiFi Sniffing? http://dlvr.it/3jFjy | Aug 12 16:04 | |
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| schestowitz | http://280.status.net/notice/338376 "what would you call a fork of wave? splash?" | Aug 12 16:07 |
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| schestowitz | Tsunami | Aug 12 16:07 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no | Aug 12 16:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sasami. | Aug 12 16:17 |
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| Ziomatrix | Palm gets back into the game of filing vague use and feel patents :( : http://tinyurl.com/24urk7x | Aug 12 16:28 |
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| _Goblin | hello all | Aug 12 16:31 |
| _Goblin | good day | Aug 12 16:31 |
| _Goblin | bonjour | Aug 12 16:32 |
| Ziomatrix | buenas dias | Aug 12 16:32 |
| _Goblin | :) | Aug 12 16:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Trosow on C-32 & the Access Copyright tariff - video of "Double Trouble for Educators and Students" http://bit.ly/d7rhwF | Aug 12 16:34 | |
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| Ziomatrix | _Goblin: so what have you been up to on your side of the globe? | Aug 12 16:34 |
| _Goblin | not much really | Aug 12 16:36 |
| _Goblin | work | Aug 12 16:36 |
| _Goblin | work | Aug 12 16:36 |
| _Goblin | work | Aug 12 16:36 |
| _Goblin | & | Aug 12 16:36 |
| _Goblin | work | Aug 12 16:36 |
| _Goblin | had not much chance for Openbytes or the other projects Im working on. | Aug 12 16:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @malini_aisola USTR confirms that ACTA negotiations will take place all of next week, "expect to cover all issues" Agenda to be available | Aug 12 16:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya nice gear. Is the $35 one still vapourware? | Aug 12 16:39 | |
| Ziomatrix | _Goblin: kind of the same, except more like searching for better work and a decent place to study if you know what I mean. | Aug 12 16:40 |
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| Ziomatrix | :-/ | Aug 12 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: what subject? | Aug 12 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe you can come to the UK..... we have heavy rain her today | Aug 12 16:43 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: that would be a nice cool welcome compared to the hot and humid summer I'm going through on my side of the pond | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I got caught in pouring rain while doing a run outside... got soaked... one moment it's sunny, then thundery... crazy | Aug 12 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: very cold summer here | Aug 12 16:44 |
| schestowitz | On a relative scale | Aug 12 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Been cloudy every day since June | Aug 12 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Except for periods of hours | Aug 12 16:44 |
| schestowitz | But it's comfortable for those working inside | Aug 12 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Productiveness depends on comfort | Aug 12 16:45 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: my current line of work mostly involves being outdoors. | Aug 12 16:45 |
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| ThistleWeb | I've been wondering why the BN feed is a Twitter one instead of an Identi.ca one, wouldn't it be more apporpriate to use a FOSS service? | Aug 12 16:47 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I have been trying to score a decent indoor job that takes advantage of my computer literacy for the meantime but I haven't had much luck. Most want either interns that pay nothing or if its an academic establish they only hire students while paying in "tuition aid" | Aug 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I heard that... | Aug 12 16:49 |
| schestowitz | In California at least | Aug 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz | The big banks (oh, poor them) hire interns to work FULL TIME for NO PAY | Aug 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz | And I'm shocked they don't break the law | Aug 12 16:50 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Its happening on the east side too. I don't have that much cash to burn while earning an undergraduate. I need the money now. I was even contemplating taking on the evil of a few week course into getting a "MS Certification." | Aug 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz | They pay the poor sods with "work experience" (sometimes exloited more than full time) | Aug 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Than you have imported labour... | Aug 12 16:50 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: its either that or outsourcing and it doesn't matter how much the fed asks in "fines" from these corporation they end up saving in the long run and the governmental agencies stock up on their coffers. | Aug 12 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I know many people who had cushy jobs and now very quietly move to physical jobs (DaemonFC and his dad too) | Aug 12 16:51 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: my main one is identica | Aug 12 16:51 |
| schestowitz | my identica account predates twitter | Aug 12 16:51 |
| schestowitz | I just post to identica and twitter grabs a copy | Aug 12 16:52 |
| schestowitz | I can't message people on twitter though without an identica account | Aug 12 16:52 |
| Ziomatrix | ThistleWeb: Twitter gets you heard more by "the establishment" | Aug 12 16:52 |
| *Ziomatrix is in one of those mooods. | Aug 12 16:52 | |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: you're a very intelligent person, I'm sure you'll do well | Aug 12 16:53 |
| schestowitz | I thought based on the text you're dad's age actually | Aug 12 16:53 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: Twitter gives copies to Microsoft and Google | Aug 12 16:53 |
| schestowitz | They get the backend data | Aug 12 16:54 |
| schestowitz | IPs and all too I assume | Aug 12 16:54 |
| schestowitz | They they parse it at their pleasure "for search" | Aug 12 16:54 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: sometimes I think I overcompensate with articulation :-P | Aug 12 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Identica has not yet violated itself like that | Aug 12 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Facebook has too | Aug 12 16:54 |
| Ziomatrix | opinions? http://tinyurl.com/25hkn5z | Aug 12 16:54 |
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| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't need to 'click' on pages or requests them. It gets direct DB access | Aug 12 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: that's good news overall, but Google and its allies get power-greedy as they get stronger and they yank freedom from Android | Aug 12 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: yes, but that takes time | Aug 12 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I go for quantity usually, typos accepted | Aug 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz | I just reckon that being more prolific will let me express more ideas, some of which will make sense. I also loathe proofreading... as I've said for years :-). It basically feels like trying to keep up with a standard that just slows one down | Aug 12 16:57 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I would pursue becoming a lawyer if I were able to be more callous | Aug 12 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers do little that's good | Aug 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz | They are actors | Aug 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Like lobbyists | Aug 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz | I find out how they overlap and move between these jobs | Aug 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Like Julia Fisher | Aug 12 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Actress/hostess... she even did pr0n! | Aug 12 16:58 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well their key performance is swaying a verdict from the jury and convincing the judge to the validity of their case content | Aug 12 16:58 |
| Balzac | Lawyers are necessary | Aug 12 16:58 |
| *schestowitz bets Hurd got all the tapes | Aug 12 16:59 | |
| schestowitz | Balzac: to their families :-) | Aug 12 16:59 |
| Balzac | I just found out about this hurd case | Aug 12 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Joking aside, sometimes they are | Aug 12 16:59 |
| Balzac | sucks to be him | Aug 12 16:59 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: you also have to accept clients that you would rather not assosciate with on an intimate basis and be able to know when the chips are up to convince your client that "sorry, its the best I can do." | Aug 12 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Good lawyers can also screw the "good" guy | Aug 12 16:59 |
| schestowitz | If you face a judge without a lawyer cause you know you are right you can still lose | Aug 12 17:00 |
| schestowitz | And not comprehend the legal procedures | Aug 12 17:00 |
| Balzac | sometimes a doctor amputates the wrong leg | Aug 12 17:00 |
| schestowitz | You're assume wrongly: | Aug 12 17:00 |
| schestowitz | A lawyer's job is not justice | Aug 12 17:00 |
| schestowitz | A lawyer's job is to best serve the client | Aug 12 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Even if his name is OJ and he killed his ex wife | Aug 12 17:00 |
| Balzac | you can be falsely convicted in the "court of public opinion" with no judges or lawyers involved | Aug 12 17:01 |
| schestowitz | A lawyer's job does not involved the type of oath nurses take for example | Aug 12 17:01 |
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| schestowitz | The one where they promise to serve patients, not hospital's budget or something | Aug 12 17:01 |
| Balzac | hippocratic oath | Aug 12 17:01 |
| schestowitz | [17:00] <Balzac> sometimes a doctor amputates the wrong leg | Aug 12 17:01 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I guess thats why hospitals are always understaffed and the nurses overworked :P | Aug 12 17:02 |
| schestowitz | You don't need a lawyer | Aug 12 17:02 |
| schestowitz | You can then negotiate damages | Aug 12 17:02 |
| schestowitz | In case of dispute you can consult mediators other than lawyers | Aug 12 17:02 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: it may take a lawyer to convince the hospital to produce the right records that states X Leg has infection, while in actuality Y leg was removed | Aug 12 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | the hospitals view themselves as a for profit that has to do some "charity" to keep its non-profit tax status and get government subsidies for occasionally having to provide the minimum legally required care for people who have to go to the Emergency Room | Aug 12 17:03 |
| schestowitz | In the i4i case Microsoft was fined $40 million for contempt of court | Aug 12 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft, IIRC, compared i4i to the Madoff-type scammer | Aug 12 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: at least nurses are super-valuable to soeciety | Aug 12 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, When I had those seizures I'm just glad that I hadn't been shot or broken some bones or something | Aug 12 17:04 |
| schestowitz | There is nothing unethical about what they do, none I can think of | Aug 12 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: but I assume NHS | Aug 12 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I.e. state/tax funded | Aug 12 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | the hospital basically just pumped me full of dilantin and adavan and sent me packing after about an hour | Aug 12 17:04 |
| schestowitz | In the US all nurses would be 'proprietary' | Aug 12 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | then sent me a bill for thousands of dollars | Aug 12 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | when I saw the bills that I got over that I felt like I needed another hit of adavan | Aug 12 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 12 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Aug 12 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Or a shot of Jaq | Aug 12 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's some good stuff | Aug 12 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | you can be on death's doorstep and not even know it | Aug 12 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 12 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Works with Ubuntu | Aug 12 17:06 |
| schestowitz | doorstep of wot? | Aug 12 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | no wonder Fred Phelps abuses it | Aug 12 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | (The anti-gay preacher) | Aug 12 17:06 |
| schestowitz | He needs to have a selling point | Aug 12 17:07 |
| schestowitz | 1. Blame 9/11 on gays | Aug 12 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | the guy is basically a rambling old drug addict who beat all of his kids, and his wife | Aug 12 17:07 |
| schestowitz | 2. Preach hatred against gays | Aug 12 17:07 |
| schestowitz | 3. Get promoted | Aug 12 17:07 |
| schestowitz | ... | Aug 12 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | and runs a cult based loosely on the Baptist church | Aug 12 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Last step is "go on vacation with a gay man for hire.." | Aug 12 17:08 |
| schestowitz | No profit | Aug 12 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | attended mainly by 100 or so members who are mostly his inbred relatives | Aug 12 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | he gets high on the fact that anyone takes him seriously enough to hate him | Aug 12 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 12 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Robertson.. | Aug 12 17:08 |
| schestowitz | Jr. | Aug 12 17:08 |
| schestowitz | I don't know Phelps though, only by name | Aug 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Someone linked to a video of him earlier | Aug 12 17:09 |
| schestowitz | Hey, how come *you* get to have all the whacky one? | Aug 12 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, His cult came to Huntington, Indiana to picket a military funeral | Aug 12 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | and several of them got their asses kicked | Aug 12 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | so the police arrested them "for their own protection" | Aug 12 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | and told them to leave the town | Aug 12 17:10 |
| schestowitz | In Britain most of the hate-spewing clerics work in mosques, not churches | Aug 12 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Well, there's not many Christian extremists that actually bomb anything | Aug 12 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd rather deal with them | Aug 12 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Hehe. I'd love to see that happen | Aug 12 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | at least they're mostly all talk | Aug 12 17:11 |
| schestowitz | =happen= Huntongton | Aug 12 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | the Muslims are the really bat shit crazy idiots | Aug 12 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Not the other remarks (out of context) | Aug 12 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Aug 12 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Just a potion | Aug 12 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | don't get me wrong, I think all religious extremists are bat shit crazy idiots | Aug 12 17:12 |
| schestowitz | There's like 1.5 billion of them | Aug 12 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | but I'd rather deal with the ones that don't blow people up | Aug 12 17:12 |
| schestowitz | More than "white western wo/men" | Aug 12 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, but the Muslims are primitive barely conscious pond scum | Aug 12 17:12 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: McVeigh? | Aug 12 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | not technologically advanced | Aug 12 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | so they could outnumber civilized people 10-1 and still be manageable | Aug 12 17:13 |
| schestowitz | THe best solution is birth reductions, sure... | Aug 12 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | HE was actually not a Christian extremist | Aug 12 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | he was involved with Neo Nazis | Aug 12 17:13 |
| schestowitz | We're already running out of resources, not space | Aug 12 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | and they use Christianity as a cover | Aug 12 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Like the Nazis then... | Aug 12 17:14 |
| schestowitz | The cross... | Aug 12 17:14 |
| schestowitz | The ultra-religious love associating Nazism with no belief in God... | Aug 12 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | well, they're so far off the deep end that Christians are scrambling to get away from them (mostly) | Aug 12 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Despite Hitler and his party citing God and stuff... | Aug 12 17:14 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, what about the ARizona neo-Nazis? | Aug 12 17:14 |
| schestowitz | The ones patrolling the borders... | Aug 12 17:15 |
| schestowitz | "Patriots...." | Aug 12 17:15 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, Hitler liked to dabble with the occult | Aug 12 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | all kinds of crazy shit | Aug 12 17:15 |
| _Goblin | ..yep Raiders of the Lost ark was proof of that. | Aug 12 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | Christianity was only one thing he abused | Aug 12 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Stalin though was another story | Aug 12 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Abused kid | Aug 12 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Paranoid | Aug 12 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Then there's Dubya :-) | Aug 12 17:16 |
| schestowitz | He managed to double the deficit | Aug 12 17:16 |
| schestowitz | And sank you economy, DaemonFC | Aug 12 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | no | Aug 12 17:16 |
| schestowitz | His friend Tony did the same to the UK, to a degree | Aug 12 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | it was on its way down in flames before Bush | Aug 12 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | not that he helped | Aug 12 17:16 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: 2000? | Aug 12 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | Clinton managed to fudge the deficit | Aug 12 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Tech bubble crash | Aug 12 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Still small decifit | Aug 12 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | the dotcom bubble helped fudge the jobs reports | Aug 12 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Let me find the charts | Aug 12 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | NAFTA too | Aug 12 17:17 |
| Ziomatrix | DaemonFC: Westboro Baptists lol | Aug 12 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | NAFTA gave us a boost before it killed us | Aug 12 17:17 |
| schestowitz | http://zfacts.com/p/318.html | Aug 12 17:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: U.S. National Debt Graph: What the Press Won't Tell You .::. Size~: 30.93 KB | Aug 12 17:17 |
| schestowitz | First result in Google let's see... | Aug 12 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, If I was the president, my first order of business would be to do everything I could to hinder our NAFTA obligations | Aug 12 17:18 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: check out under Truman | Aug 12 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | by issuing a series of executive orders denying all government agencies their effective ability to comply | Aug 12 17:18 |
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| schestowitz | How valid are these #s? | Aug 12 17:19 |
| schestowitz | The graphs could be changed to show a different ratio | Aug 12 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Not GDP | Aug 12 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Global warming is just another invention to kill the US | Aug 12 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Not China? | Aug 12 17:21 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Why Are Entertainment Industry Spokespeople So Scared To Debate Critics? http://dlvr.it/3jNP3 | Aug 12 17:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | well, China isn't entering into any "global warming" treaties | Aug 12 17:22 |
| schestowitz | It's an invention all right... 'invented' by the gases we emit | Aug 12 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | they're smart | Aug 12 17:22 |
| schestowitz | They cut down factories now | Aug 12 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Pollutants | Aug 12 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I happen to think we're about to enter another ice age | Aug 12 17:22 |
| schestowitz | You think wrong | Aug 12 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | the climate history has shown that whenever a warming period like this happens, it dilutes the oceans due to the melting of the ice | Aug 12 17:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2010/aug/08/merchants-of-doubt-oreskes-conway | Aug 12 17:23 |
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| DaemonFC | and it stops the normal current flow | Aug 12 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | and causes an ice age | Aug 12 17:23 |
| schestowitz | http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-boss-refuses-debate-with-pirate-bay-co-founder-100811/ | Aug 12 17:23 |
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| DaemonFC | so we're about to enter an ice age sometime within the next few thousand years | Aug 12 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | more than likely | Aug 12 17:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: source []? | Aug 12 17:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah, and the US will lend money to china... some time in the coming year | Aug 12 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | the Earth will continue warming for a while, then it will crash and go into an ice age | Aug 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Aug 12 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | it seems like it will go on warming forever because they only talk about the "next 100 years" | Aug 12 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | which seems like a long time because most humans don't live that long | Aug 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Your credentials? | Aug 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Aug 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Are you a climatologist? | Aug 12 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | well, the climate scientists are liars | Aug 12 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | most of them | Aug 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Aug 12 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | they deliberately lie | Aug 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Aug 12 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | and issue intellectually dishonest reports | Aug 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Noe | Aug 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Aug 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Taken out of context due to lack of transparency | Aug 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | The data is still there | Aug 12 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Humans aren't causing anything that hasn't already happened several times over | Aug 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes we do | Aug 12 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | we may be accelerating this warming period | Aug 12 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | that's about it | Aug 12 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't matter | Aug 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | We've just put millions of barrels of oil in the ocean | Aug 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | We also burn up millions of gallons inside the atmosphere | Aug 12 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | well, if either of us were going to live thousands of years and watch as most of Europe and Canada froze solid... | Aug 12 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Nobody has done that for like... what? 4.5 bn years? | Aug 12 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | humans will probably survive the freeze | Aug 12 17:27 |
| schestowitz | That was before the industrial revolution | Aug 12 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | if we move closer to the equator | Aug 12 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | it should still be warm enough to support us there | Aug 12 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Idiot. | Aug 12 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Troll. | Aug 12 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | the northern parts of the US will be covered in ice | Aug 12 17:27 |
| MinceR | (animated) http://j883376.mirror.waffleimages.com/waffleimages/files/4d/4d658fdb403206cb93c3575dbac0b6f4a9e31b73.gif | Aug 12 17:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Russia will be under a mile of it | Aug 12 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | You only selectively pay attention to anything that supports your beliefs | Aug 12 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | whenever someone says something that counters what the climate liars in Europe say | Aug 12 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | you ignore it | Aug 12 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | most of the climate liars are in Europe | Aug 12 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | you notice that? | Aug 12 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why that could be | Aug 12 17:29 |
| MinceR | because Jesusland is firmly dedicated to poisoning the planet until everything on it dies? | Aug 12 17:29 |
| schestowitz | I hope you sweat today | Aug 12 17:29 |
| schestowitz | It'll be worse when you're in your 30s | Aug 12 17:30 |
| Ziomatrix | brb | Aug 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not the US (Obama) is obsessed with arresting the Wikipedia 'ringleader' | Aug 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | *wikileaks I mean | Aug 12 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age#Fluctuations_in_ocean_currents | Aug 12 17:30 |
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| schestowitz | /not/now/ | Aug 12 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | the Europeans are a bunch of damned dirty liars | Aug 12 17:31 |
| MinceR | of course | Aug 12 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | fuck them | Aug 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: appeal to "ice age" | Aug 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Classic disinfo | Aug 12 17:31 |
| MinceR | transparency is the great enemy to [would-be] dictators everywhere | Aug 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Like the "appeal to quantum mechanics" | Aug 12 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia is usually what you point to | Aug 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | People who don't even understand the science just name them | Aug 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, and Free software makes a culture of transparency | Aug 12 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Including this IRC channel | Aug 12 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | the warming cycle will crash eventually | Aug 12 17:32 |
| schestowitz | It changes the way people who are watch behave | Aug 12 17:32 |
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| DaemonFC | it has several times, played out almost exactly like this | Aug 12 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Imagine is all of GOogle's decisions were made in public... | Aug 12 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | Wi-Fi snooping, YouTube & copytright... | Aug 12 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | warming periods almost never last more than about 50,000 years | Aug 12 17:33 |
| schestowitz | Google has its share of greedy scum in the management and lawyers tier... | Aug 12 17:33 |
| schestowitz | They merely 'consume' the knowledge of many hackers... | Aug 12 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | we're closer to the end of this warming period | Aug 12 17:33 |
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| DaemonFC | based on the climate record | Aug 12 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | eventually it will crash and we will enter another ice age | Aug 12 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | if you want to talk a few thousand years | Aug 12 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Your nonsense if objectionable | Aug 12 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | if all you're content to talk about is the next 100, yeah it'll get hotter | Aug 12 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | but that's not sustainable | Aug 12 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | it never has been, never will be | Aug 12 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | and it will happen all over again next time | Aug 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | What's never? | Aug 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | When human population was hundreds of tens of millions? | Aug 12 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | the Earth has been through many warming cycles followed by ice ages | Aug 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | When horse droppings were the source of methane? | Aug 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | When the Earth was covered with trees? | Aug 12 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | warming cycles cause the salt content of the oceans to become diluted | Aug 12 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | which obstructs the normal current flow | Aug 12 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | and causes an ice age | Aug 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Human intervention is ignored by you | Aug 12 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | you are an ignorant ass | Aug 12 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | That's what THE WHOLE DEBATE is about | Aug 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Human's role | Aug 12 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Aug 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Post industrial revolution | Aug 12 17:36 |
| draoan | :D | Aug 12 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Aug 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | OK, enough.. | Aug 12 17:36 |
| draoan | schestowitz: why do you even try? | Aug 12 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | so we may speed up the warming cycle | Aug 12 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | and bring the crash a few hundred years sooner | Aug 12 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | who cares? | Aug 12 17:36 |
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| DaemonFC | I won't live to see it | Aug 12 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | were you planning to? | Aug 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | How convenient | Aug 12 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'd say the "greenhouse gas" problem is a small one | Aug 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Like, "God exists, but you can't see it" | Aug 12 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | compared to thousands of years buried in ice | Aug 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | Like Russell's "flying teapot" | Aug 12 17:37 |
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| DaemonFC | global warming is just another name for accelerating the warming cycle we're in which will bring about another ice age | Aug 12 17:38 |
| draoan | DaemonFC: ... you care about greenhouse gases buried in ice, but ignore oil burn in millions everyday? | Aug 12 17:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @nsisodiya that's exactly what I thought | Aug 12 17:38 | |
| DaemonFC | they just never mention that part | Aug 12 17:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: and forest fires in Russia... | Aug 12 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | funny that they're worried about a few hundred years of "HOT" and not worries at all about a few thousand years under ice | Aug 12 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Greenhouse on overdrive | Aug 12 17:39 |
| schestowitz | And the tree won't be there to produce oxygen afterwards | Aug 12 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | when the flow of the ocean currents is disrupted, the world starts to freeze over | Aug 12 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | as more ice accumulates, it accelerates the process | Aug 12 17:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's about humans | Aug 12 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Think. | Aug 12 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | because it reflects sunlight back into space | Aug 12 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Use your head | Aug 12 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | like a mirror | Aug 12 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Ever hear of Snowball Earth? | Aug 12 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | the supercontinent blocked the flow at that point | Aug 12 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | even more so than a lot of fresh water introduced into the ocean will when all this ice melts | Aug 12 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | Snowball Earth is an extreme example of what happens when the normal flow of the ocean is prevented entirely | Aug 12 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_earth | Aug 12 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | You break a debate's rule | Aug 12 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | 650 million years ago, there was one giant continent | Aug 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Bu | Aug 12 17:42 |
| schestowitz | By going to angles other than the actual debate | Aug 12 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | it effectively blocked the ocean's normal flow | Aug 12 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | and caused an ice age | Aug 12 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | "snowball Earth" | Aug 12 17:43 |
| schestowitz | This reminds me of people to whom talking about cosmology or thermodynamics have something to do with Darwin | Aug 12 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Even ethics :0) | Aug 12 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | that ice age was the most severe in Earht history and nearly wiped out all life | Aug 12 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | had it not been for volcanic vents on the ocean floor, even the sea life could have been entirely wiped out | Aug 12 17:44 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it didn't /cause/ an ice age | Aug 12 17:44 |
| schestowitz | It was there | Aug 12 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Underneath water | Aug 12 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | continental drift also managed to break the ice age | Aug 12 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Prehistoric records | Aug 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | You go to macro at level of billions | Aug 12 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Not the topic | Aug 12 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | right, the topic is some shortsighted arrogant "global warming" scare | Aug 12 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | people like to scare themselves with relatively minor problems | Aug 12 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | because then they don't have to think about the bigger ones that are coming | Aug 12 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | you ever notice that? | Aug 12 17:48 |
| draoan | overloading your oceans ability to catch CO2 ain't "minor problem" | Aug 12 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | the world was here before humans | Aug 12 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | it will be here after humans | Aug 12 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | who gives a shit? | Aug 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz |  | Aug 12 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | we are all going to die | Aug 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz | [17:47] <DaemonFC> right, the topic is some shortsighted arrogant "global warming" scare | Aug 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz | S call it terraforming | Aug 12 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | we are ALL going to DIE | Aug 12 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | somehow... | Aug 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Done by men and women | Aug 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: we willl | Aug 12 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | so who cares? | Aug 12 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | if it happens in 100 years, great | Aug 12 17:49 |
| schestowitz | But it doesn't have to be by famine soon | Aug 12 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | if it happens in 500 years, great | Aug 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Peak oil | Aug 12 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | if it happens in 10,000 years, great | Aug 12 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | we're never getting off this planet | Aug 12 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | and whatever happens, we die here | Aug 12 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | all of us | Aug 12 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | only a question of "when" and "exactly how" | Aug 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Fine by you | Aug 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Meanwhile we kill the higher chain | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | what difference does it make if all humans are wiped out today vs. 100 years, 1,000 years, or 10,000 years from now? | Aug 12 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Like whales | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | what importance are we? | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | whales are all going to die | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | all of them | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 17:51 |
| schestowitz | And this way we take back evolution and also harm the requirements of life, like ozone | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | even without humans, they would ALL die | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | all of them | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | every last one | Aug 12 17:51 |
| schestowitz | We could turn this planet into another Venus | Aug 12 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | this planet is a sealed environment that will eventually collapse and be unable to sustain us | Aug 12 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | for "some" reason or another | Aug 12 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | so we dodge one bullet and get to die from something else | Aug 12 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | fantastic | Aug 12 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | as long as 100% of us are on the planet Earth | Aug 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Thankfully for you, you'll have no offsprings to resent you | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | 100% of us get to die from whatever happens to Earth | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | fuck it | Aug 12 17:53 |
| schestowitz | But for those of us who are straight and will have kids, you attitude is selfish and mutually destructive | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | there are literally hundreds of other things that are waiting to kill us all | Aug 12 17:53 |
| schestowitz | You wish destruction to others | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | once global warming is no longer a threat | Aug 12 17:53 |
| schestowitz | Like those apocalyptic nutters | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | and most of them are beyond our control, entirely | Aug 12 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | and will happen eventually | Aug 12 17:54 |
| schestowitz | "The sooner the better, the savour from above will come to take us to Heaven" | Aug 12 17:54 |
| schestowitz | *iour | Aug 12 17:54 |
| *Ziomatrix has quit () | Aug 12 17:54 | |
| DaemonFC | not really | Aug 12 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | I just wonder if it's our fault when the 10 mile wide asterois hits us | Aug 12 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | or when the Sun decides to burn the Earth | Aug 12 17:55 |
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| DaemonFC | to name a couple of "Will happen eventually" apocalyptic possibilities | Aug 12 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | and what your plan is to convince the asteroids and the Sun to spare us is | Aug 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | We can avert asteroid issues | Aug 12 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | no we can't | Aug 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | We have ways of deflecting them | Aug 12 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | the ideas put forth are even more laughable than trying to blow the things up | Aug 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | Suprnovas nearby are a bigger risk, I think | Aug 12 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | we have NOTHING that can deflect an asteroid | Aug 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you don't blow it up | Aug 12 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | blow it into pieces that are still dangerous or let it hit | Aug 12 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | are the two realistic options | Aug 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | You change its route way far from Earth | Aug 12 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | right, I'll just engage the tractor beam | Aug 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | You need to catch it early and calculate the route | Aug 12 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | we don't have those? | Aug 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Preventing it from entering Earth's gravity/orbit | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | maybe we will by the time one is on a collision course | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | go back to sleep | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | your government has a plan! | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's if we even saw it coming in time | Aug 12 17:58 |
| schestowitz | We have 50,000 nuclear weapons | Aug 12 17:58 |
| schestowitz | Or thereabout | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | turn one dangerous object into many | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | wow | Aug 12 17:58 |
| schestowitz | If you explode them way outside this system you can impact the route of asteroids | Aug 12 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | you don't just vaporize an asteroid with any nuclear weapons with the yield we possess | Aug 12 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | you'd need something 100 times more powerful than the Tsar Bomb | Aug 12 17:59 |
| schestowitz | The Asteroid has gravity to | Aug 12 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | which we probably can't even make | Aug 12 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | and who would want that thing laying around if we could? | Aug 12 17:59 |
| schestowitz | Bits and pieces don't just 'fall off Earth' when it's hit by a bomb | Aug 12 17:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: where does the "100" number come from? | Aug 12 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | pushing it off course with a nearby nuclear detonation is the most realistic option I've seen | Aug 12 18:00 |
| schestowitz | A fairy in your ear? | Aug 12 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | and even that would only nudge it | Aug 12 18:00 |
| schestowitz | And how do you know how big the asteroid is? | Aug 12 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | if you catch the thing 50 years before it hits, then that might just be enough | Aug 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | WHat is "thing"? | Aug 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | How big is it? | Aug 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | How heavy? | Aug 12 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | lets say 10 miles in diameter | Aug 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | What does the number "50" mean? | Aug 12 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Where does it come from? | Aug 12 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | made mostly of iron | Aug 12 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | what are you going to do? | Aug 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Observe distant objects | Aug 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | As some already do | Aug 12 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | one half that big killed the dinosaurs | Aug 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Source? | Aug 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | You're BSing like a machine | Aug 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | We don't even know what killed the dinosaurs | Aug 12 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | the one that killed the dinosaurs was roughly 6 miles in diameter | Aug 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | There are competing theories | Aug 12 18:02 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: source? | Aug 12 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater | Aug 12 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Do we have that object buried somewhere? | Aug 12 18:03 |
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| DaemonFC | it left that crater | Aug 12 18:03 |
| amarsh04 | and for everyone's information, recently added packages to Debian unstable include some that deal with climate modelling | Aug 12 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | "The crater is more than 180 km (110 mi) in diameter, making the feature one of the largest confirmed impact structures on Earth; the impacting bolide that formed the crater was at least 10 km (6 mi) in diameter." | Aug 12 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | "The age of the rocks and isotope analysis show that this impact structure dates from the end of the Cretaceous Period, roughly 65 million years ago." | Aug 12 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | the dinosaurs, wiped out, 65 million years ago | Aug 12 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | an asteroid 6 miles wide, impacted the Earth, 65 million years ago | Aug 12 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | you're right, we don't know that's what killed them | Aug 12 18:04 |
| schestowitz | "In March 2010, following extensive analysis of the available evidence covering 20 years' worth of data spanning the fields of palaeontology, geochemistry, climate modelling, geophysics and sedimentology, 41 international experts from 33 institutions reviewed available evidence and concluded that the impact at Chicxulub triggered the mass extinctions during K-T boundary including those of dinosaurs" | Aug 12 18:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there are other theories too | Aug 12 18:05 |
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| DaemonFC | which are, in light of one hellaciously large asteroid causing a global catastrophe.... | Aug 12 18:05 |
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| DaemonFC | less than likely | Aug 12 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they got the sniffles | Aug 12 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | the asteroid was just a minor inconvenience | Aug 12 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | "Hey Bob, why has the sun been blocked out?" "Don't worry about it, happens from time to time!" | Aug 12 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | yeah... | Aug 12 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | *sneeze* "Uggh, I don't feel so good!" *all dinosaurs drop dead* | Aug 12 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | -Brought to you by European scientists | Aug 12 18:08 |
| *schestowitz on phone | Aug 12 18:08 | |
| DaemonFC | so back to the original question | Aug 12 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | since there are many things, all of which will wipe out all life on Earth, that humans are powerless to stop, which are statistically unlikely but have billions of years in which to happen | Aug 12 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Why care about "global warming"? | Aug 12 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | isn't it just one way to get the mass die off of all life on Earth over with sooner than later | Aug 12 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | provided it is happening at all | Aug 12 18:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Agenda of 10th Round ACTA negotiations, August 16-20, Washington DC - http://bit.ly/b3c2Kp strange how "transparency" is always last #acta | Aug 12 18:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | and even if we somehow avoid EVERYTHING else, the Sun will eventually destroy the Earth | Aug 12 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | as part of the lifecycle of a star | Aug 12 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | see, these dirty hippies want to convince people that saving a doomed planet with a bunch of various condemned life forms is important | Aug 12 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | saving them to die of something else | Aug 12 18:12 |
| MinceR | so why don't you die? | Aug 12 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have the answer for how humanity will survive the end of the Earth | Aug 12 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Even if we colonize Mars, we're still linked to the ultimate fate of this solar system | Aug 12 18:13 |
| MinceR | they have a few billion years to find an answer to that | Aug 12 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | we have to escape to a habitable planet, outside of this solar system | Aug 12 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | how do you propose we do it? | Aug 12 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | starships with ftl drives? | Aug 12 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | stargates maybe | Aug 12 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | and even on the off chance that colonizing planets hundreds or thousands of light years from here is even possible | Aug 12 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | how likely do you think we are to figure out how? | Aug 12 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | the more realistic outcome is whatever happens to Earth, we die | Aug 12 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | if we colonize Mars or something then, whatever happens to the solar system can still kill us all | Aug 12 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | and as for all the rest of this "life" that's supposedly so precious | Aug 12 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | how do you figure we take whales with us to Mars? | Aug 12 18:16 |
| MinceR | the more realistic outcome is that we'll kill everything on earth before we can come up with something | Aug 12 18:16 |
| MinceR | because of people like you | Aug 12 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I just totally don't care because if we don't wipe out the life on this planet, something will | Aug 12 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | so it doesn't matter | Aug 12 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's not within our control to ultimately save the Earth from whatever its fate will ultimately be | Aug 12 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | to assume that we'll deflect gigantic asteroids and convince the Sun to calm down are arrogant ideas | Aug 12 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | put out to calm people with the mentality of small children | Aug 12 18:18 |
| MinceR | so was to assume that we'll fly with devices that are heavier than air | Aug 12 18:18 |
| MinceR | and that we'll stay awake at night and take care of lighting for ourselves :> | Aug 12 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | so you tell me how we alter the lifecycle of the Sun | Aug 12 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | and keep it burning forever | Aug 12 18:19 |
| MinceR | and that we' | Aug 12 18:19 |
| MinceR | and that we'll alter the DNA of organisms to make them different | Aug 12 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | tell me how a faster than light drive works | Aug 12 18:19 |
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| DaemonFC | tell me that it will put us in range of another Earth-like planet | Aug 12 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | wishful thinking at its worst | Aug 12 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | We can sit here and die, or we can stand here and die | Aug 12 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | we can do nothing and die | Aug 12 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | or we can panic and die | Aug 12 18:20 |
| MinceR | i'll restate something, since you seem to have missed it | Aug 12 18:21 |
| MinceR | 190430 < MinceR> they have a few billion years to find an answer to that | Aug 12 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | right, and at least most of that is impossible | Aug 12 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | or at least beyond where we'll ever advance to | Aug 12 18:21 |
| MinceR | why don't you go tell all the scientists to stop researching because we already know everything we'll ever know | Aug 12 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | that wouldn't be true | Aug 12 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | our "advancement" supposedly is unsustainable | Aug 12 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | and causes harm | Aug 12 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 12 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | I mean, we should all live in hippie tents and wipe our asses with pine cones | Aug 12 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | to avoid pissing the climate off | Aug 12 18:23 |
| MinceR | so very scientific | Aug 12 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | how do we advance when we're told to regress? | Aug 12 18:23 |
| MinceR | are you trying to say that non-fossile energy sources are somehow backwards? | Aug 12 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | society is already regressing thanks to many reasons | Aug 12 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | one is the environmentalists | Aug 12 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, How many people who use our technology, at its current level, could tell you how it works? | Aug 12 18:24 |
| MinceR | a small fraction | Aug 12 18:25 |
| MinceR | not sure if it's smaller than those who tell you that the principles those devices are based on are lies | Aug 12 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | beyond "I push this button and the hypephone plays my Justin Timberlake AAC files" | Aug 12 18:25 |
| MinceR | while using them | Aug 12 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | not many, right | Aug 12 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | the limited knowledge we do have is more or less kept away from the average person | Aug 12 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | because the more people know about how something works, the less they depend on any one implementation | Aug 12 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | would you say that's a fair assessment? | Aug 12 18:26 |
| MinceR | that usually isn't the reason | Aug 12 18:27 |
| MinceR | the reason is that most people couldn't care less about knowledge | Aug 12 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | and the less people know about something they depend on very much, the more profit there is in being one of the providers of such technology | Aug 12 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's another reason we're regressing | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | people are persuaded not to consider how things work | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | if it stops working, buy another one | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | how do you fix the one you have? don't worry, it was OLD anyway | Aug 12 18:28 |
| MinceR | as long as you have enough traineed manpower to actually provide that technology | Aug 12 18:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: Sony Ericsson to introduce Android 3.0 gaming platform and PSP Go-like smartphone = http://bit.ly/bWqE6R | Aug 12 18:28 | |
| MinceR | s/eed/ed/ | Aug 12 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Exclusive: Sony Ericsson to introduce Android 3.0 gaming platform and PSP Go-like smartphone -- Engadget .::. Size~: 219.42 KB | Aug 12 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | how do I make it work the way I prefer? don't ask such things! | Aug 12 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | it works perfectly just the way it is! | Aug 12 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | ahh, hypedevices | Aug 12 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | and ilk | Aug 12 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | "But it can't do this and this and that! And, it can't do X correctly!" | Aug 12 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | You're obviously just bashing it | Aug 12 18:29 |
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| DaemonFC | don't point out flaws in anything or other cultists will wag their finger at you | Aug 12 18:30 |
| MinceR | not everyone is a crApple cultist yet, though | Aug 12 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | well, there are so many devices like the hypepod and hypephone | Aug 12 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's like a hypedevice by any other name is still a hypedevice | Aug 12 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | you know? | Aug 12 18:31 |
| MinceR | not so many, actually | Aug 12 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | How is Android any better? | Aug 12 18:31 |
| MinceR | most competing devices are much more open and powerful | Aug 12 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | How is my locked down Java-based phone better? | Aug 12 18:31 |
| MinceR | even android is a lot more open than hypeOS | Aug 12 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | they cost less | Aug 12 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | maybe the implementation is more functional | Aug 12 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | but beyond that I still have no idea HOW it works | Aug 12 18:32 |
| MinceR | you can install apps without having to do it through the android market or having to jailbreak | Aug 12 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | I still DEPEND on them | Aug 12 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | I did have to jailbreak my phone | Aug 12 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | luckily the master key leaked | Aug 12 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | and now I can sign any applet I want | Aug 12 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | but you can't always count on that happening, right? | Aug 12 18:32 |
| MinceR | right | Aug 12 18:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] How Many Times Will Content Industries Claim The Sky Is Falling Before People Stop Believing Them? http://dlvr.it/3jVj9 | Aug 12 18:32 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How Many Times Will Content Industries Claim The Sky Is Falling Before People Stop Believing Them? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 22.62 KB | Aug 12 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T uses DRM to keep other appets off my phone | Aug 12 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | want GPS? Pay AT&T! | Aug 12 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | Want ringtones? Pay AT&T! | Aug 12 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | want games? pay AT&T! | Aug 12 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | twitter app? That'll be $5 thank you | Aug 12 18:33 |
| MinceR | to be fair, my phone is symbian, not android | Aug 12 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | Want to delete all that nonfunctional crapware? Sorry | Aug 12 18:34 |
| MinceR | but that too is semi-open like android | Aug 12 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | there's really no such thing as semi-open | Aug 12 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | either it's open or it's closed | Aug 12 18:34 |
| MinceR | yes there is | Aug 12 18:35 |
| MinceR | there's an entire spectrum | Aug 12 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | prying it open based on having a little more knowledge about how the system it's based on works doesn't make it open | Aug 12 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | it just makes it less of a pain in the ass to pry open | Aug 12 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | maybe | Aug 12 18:35 |
| MinceR | from low-end phones, through hypePhones, j2me featurephones, android and symbian smartphones to maemo/meego and openmoko smartphones | Aug 12 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | mine is J2ME | Aug 12 18:35 |
| MinceR | different amount of apis and phone functionality they officially let you use | Aug 12 18:36 |
| MinceR | presence or absence of killswitches | Aug 12 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | as awful as it is in some ways, at least it's not a hypephone | Aug 12 18:36 |
| MinceR | some or no limitation of where you can install apps from | Aug 12 18:36 |
| MinceR | etc. | Aug 12 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | I tried a hypephone 4G out in the store | Aug 12 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | and I couldn't imagine trying to use that day to day | Aug 12 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | the keyboard is terrible | Aug 12 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | just for starters | Aug 12 18:36 |
| MinceR | there's no keyboard | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | what else even matters when it gets half the letters you're typing wrong? | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | virtual keyboard thingy | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | whatever | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | the touchpad is inaccurate | Aug 12 18:37 |
| MinceR | which is no keyboard | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | better? | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | I even calibrated it | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | and nothing changed | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | how do people manage to live with that shit? | Aug 12 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | much less apologize for all the things it gets wrong | Aug 12 18:38 |
| MinceR | i guess if you were really dedicated, you could hook up a bluetooth keyboard, but it's insecure and in some cases it just won't do | Aug 12 18:38 |
| MinceR | they're idiots, that's how | Aug 12 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | my cousin got one of those "free bumpers" | Aug 12 18:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@ShanaSmiles4You After #Exxon Valdez, we now drill a "reformulated" #oil that evaporates when no cameras are pointed at it. #bp | Aug 12 18:38 | |
| DaemonFC | still dropped calls like crazy | Aug 12 18:38 |
| MinceR | it's a hypePhone, what did you expect it to do? :> | Aug 12 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | so she took it back and got her AT&T plan canceled | Aug 12 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | picked up one of those Verizon Droid phones | Aug 12 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | those do work much better | Aug 12 18:39 |
| MinceR | afaik even previous versions had shitty connectivity | Aug 12 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | but most other phones do | Aug 12 18:39 |
| MinceR | even though the antenna didn't get into galvanic contact with the user | Aug 12 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | the bumper makes absolutely no difference | Aug 12 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | at all | Aug 12 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | how you hold it makes no difference, at all | Aug 12 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | the phone is a piece of shit, and AT&T's network is also unreliable with any device | Aug 12 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | they just magnify each other's problems | Aug 12 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | AT&T's network isn't the biggest problem though | Aug 12 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | the phone is | Aug 12 18:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@MMonides Operation Iraqi Freedom. *koff* I think Orwell called this one. | Aug 12 18:40 | |
| DaemonFC | I use AT&T with a Samsung J2ME phone | Aug 12 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | I never get dropped calls | Aug 12 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | the 3g network is a little flaky though | Aug 12 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, AT&T and the hypephone just magnify each others flaws | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | that's my opinion | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | of course out here it's impossible to get decent 3g coverage | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | with any provider | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | far from what they would have you believe, 95% of their network is overlap | Aug 12 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | so if AT&T blows, so will Verizon | Aug 12 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | or anyone else | Aug 12 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 12 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | the Crapple cultists would have you believe that all of the hypephone fail is AT&T's fault | Aug 12 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | it kinda makes me wish they'd have multiple companies selling hypephone | Aug 12 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | so that argument would no longer work | Aug 12 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | you could slap that sucker on anyone's network you like and it would fail just as bad as it does on AT&T | Aug 12 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, That article about hypedevice ownership and sex partners was hilarious | Aug 12 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | "People with more money attract more people who will sleep with them" | Aug 12 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | What else is new? | Aug 12 18:46 |
| MinceR | water is wet, film at 11 | Aug 12 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | People who can afford a pet rock with an AT&T 3g plan get more pussy! | Aug 12 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 12 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, There's even an app that "tells you when it's OK to drive" after you've been drinking | Aug 12 18:49 |
| MinceR | yay | Aug 12 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | the damned thing must be magic if it knows my exact metabolism | Aug 12 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | and exactly how much alcohol I consumed | Aug 12 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | "5 straight shots of vodka, 3 beers, a long island iced tea, and 2 margarita shooters" | Aug 12 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | "Quick, drive to the AT&T store and upgrade to iPhone 4G!" | Aug 12 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 12 18:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@viseshk Why wasn't BB encrypt issue thought of when #RIM entered Indian mkt // govt gets interested when it becomes common, not at entry % | Aug 12 18:53 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, How long do you figure it'll be before 7ono starts pimping libhypemobiledevice? | Aug 12 18:54 |
| MinceR | not sure | Aug 12 18:55 |
| MinceR | depends on when does he get a free zune | Aug 12 18:55 |
| MinceR | or whatever came of zune now | Aug 12 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | Zune actually works better on Linux than ipod | Aug 12 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | but neither work well | Aug 12 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | or consistently | Aug 12 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | I speak of plugging a 5th generation video ipod into Ubuntu 7.04 | Aug 12 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | as for the Zune, I think I plugged in one of the 120 GB hard drive models into Ubuntu 8.10 | Aug 12 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | libmtp can handle the old hard drive based ones, but you may have to unplug and plug it back in 4-5 times before it decides to mount | Aug 12 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | at least, as of the last time I tried | Aug 12 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | and the ipod will throw all your MP3s under Unknown | Aug 12 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | libmtp is less than reliable though | Aug 12 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | if you have a choice you should select MSC mode on the device | Aug 12 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | and never have to worry about it again | Aug 12 18:59 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Important security updates to Drupal 6.x please RT | Aug 12 18:59 | |
| MinceR | if you have a choice, get a PMP that isn't made of suck :> | Aug 12 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu tries to use PTP mode half the time | Aug 12 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | when I try mounting my Sansa in MTP mode | Aug 12 19:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Frontline Club WikiLeaks debate starts in 8 minutes. Live video: http://bit.ly/9fCswH | Aug 12 19:02 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Frontline Club - Watch live TV channel in high quality | Livestation .::. Size~: 37.09 KB | Aug 12 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | and it shows up as a camera that I can't open | Aug 12 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it is | Aug 12 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | it does not have a camera in it | Aug 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Just don't put it clipped next to yur crotch | Aug 12 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | and it does not support PTP | Aug 12 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | putting Ogg Vorbis files on something in MTP mode is just wrong anyway | Aug 12 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | You never know.. | Aug 12 19:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] A weak case for software patents - http://bit.ly/9CRBzz make that non-existent: for software, "patent costs exceed their benefits" | Aug 12 19:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A weak case for software patents | opensource.com .::. Size~: 42.71 KB | Aug 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Maybe your PMP can do the Salsa | Aug 12 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | C:\Users\Ryan\Music\Weird Al Yankovic\Bad Hair Day\05 - The Alternative Polka.ogg | Aug 12 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 12 19:05 |
| schestowitz | http://mashable.com/2010/08/10/android-trojan/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Mashable+%28Mashable%29 | Aug 12 19:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: First Trojan Hits Android Phones .::. Size~: 87.93 KB | Aug 12 19:06 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC is back to winders | Aug 12 19:06 |
| schestowitz | See? | Aug 12 19:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 12 19:06 |
| MinceR | or never left it | Aug 12 19:06 |
| schestowitz | And telling jono/ubuntu what to do | Aug 12 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Classic troll | Aug 12 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | or maybe DaemonFC uses Foobar2000 in Wine | Aug 12 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | but yeah, I am on Windows 7 at the moment | Aug 12 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | why not? | Aug 12 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | If Linux isn't good enough for Ubuntu's community manager, why is it good enough for me? | Aug 12 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 12 19:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: He has lust for Ballmer too | Aug 12 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | now there's a proper trolling | Aug 12 19:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: uses him as his avatar | Aug 12 19:08 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you're too incompetent for UNIX-type OS | Aug 12 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Aug 12 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Enjoy the latest zero-day | Aug 12 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | UNIX OS is too incompetent for me | Aug 12 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Assuming you're not already infected | Aug 12 19:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-explain-the-new-Ubuntu-census-package-1053610.html | Aug 12 19:09 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Canonical explain the new Ubuntu census package - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 34.46 KB | Aug 12 19:09 |
| schestowitz | From Microsoft to Canonical to spying? | Aug 12 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Rick Spencer | Aug 12 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | Beats the clusterfuck of improper hardware support and dicey application quality | Aug 12 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | now there's Level III trolling | Aug 12 19:09 |
| MinceR | i doubt we particularly need an introduction to your trolling style :> | Aug 12 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | That is why Jono Bacon is using Windows 7 | Aug 12 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Aug 12 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't support his hardware | Aug 12 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | and doesn't have the applications he needs | Aug 12 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | per Jono | Aug 12 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Viata 7 helps the enfvironment | Aug 12 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | he put out all the troll bait that the Linsux people will EVER need | Aug 12 19:11 |
| schestowitz | It heats it up in preparation to the ice age in ryan's brain | Aug 12 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | when he put up a Microsoft ad | Aug 12 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Small brain, but still, it functions. Sometimes. | Aug 12 19:11 |
| schestowitz | It's a good absorbent... for Fox | Aug 12 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have Fox | Aug 12 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I deleted them from my channel lineup | Aug 12 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | along with all the womens channels | Aug 12 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | nothing against the friendly Gynosauruses | Aug 12 19:13 |
| schestowitz | http://news.techworld.com/mobile-wireless/3235048/android-virus-sends-premium-rate-texts/?cmpid=sblxerrplant | Aug 12 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Android virus sends premium rate texts - Techworld.com .::. Size~: 111.01 KB | Aug 12 19:13 |
| schestowitz | And Royd | Aug 12 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm not a menstrual old hag watching feminazi crap I pay for with alimony checks | Aug 12 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | so those channels are wholly inappropriate for my demographic | Aug 12 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 19:14 |
| schestowitz | what demography? | Aug 12 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Racist? | Aug 12 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Aug 12 19:14 |
| schestowitz | Troll demograhy? | Aug 12 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | maybe sometimes | Aug 12 19:15 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/356590/q_richard_stallman/ | Aug 12 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Go read | Aug 12 19:15 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Q&A with Richard Stallman - smartphones, Richard Stallman, internet filtering, gnu, Free Software Foundation, Android - Computerworld .::. Size~: 82.43 KB | Aug 12 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Quote mind, you troll | Aug 12 19:15 |
| schestowitz | quote-mine | Aug 12 19:15 |
| schestowitz | RMS has helped your father stop harming people :-) | Aug 12 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | how is that? | Aug 12 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Bulldozers | Aug 12 19:19 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @linuxfoundation: Great report from @TheTechScribe on Eben Moglen's #linuxcon keynote: http://bit.ly/cUv0Qv | Aug 12 19:20 | |
| DaemonFC | oh, those aren't people | Aug 12 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | so that's OK | Aug 12 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | Maybe I should go to the cheap dollar store and assemble a care package of soap, shampoo, razors, and shave cream for RMS | Aug 12 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe I can find a callous stone and some antifungal foot spray too | Aug 12 19:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Today I got another Android Tablet for development purpose. #android , 200 dollar tablet. http://tinyurl.com/26ptqao #blog | Aug 12 19:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Burning SchoolOS DVDs for free media Distribution http://tinyurl.com/2dl8dhg #blog | Aug 12 19:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Mr A Raja (Union Minister for IT & Communications, GoI) appreciated in OLPC http://tinyurl.com/252adxq #blog | Aug 12 19:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] OLPC should purchase 1 million laptop from Govt of India http://tinyurl.com/28gg6km #blog | Aug 12 19:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Why I am sending SchoolOS ISO image and not DVD #udit http://tinyurl.com/247xmsr #blog | Aug 12 19:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I'm confused, why did they put in a picture of Grigori Rasputin? | Aug 12 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 12 19:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Facts about our network neutrality policy proposal - http://bit.ly/aXt0gj Google tries a little spin..I'm still not buying it #netneutrality | Aug 12 19:26 | |
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| DaemonFC | "KDE integrates webkit", so now they have two file browsers, a web browser with two incompatible engines, and three applications that can play a CD | Aug 12 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | does Konqueror still refuse to load Flash? | Aug 12 19:30 |
| MinceR | does it hurt you that there's another tool around for the task at hand? | Aug 12 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | and if you load Webkit and manage to get Flash running, is there still an invisible window that pops open for no reason? | Aug 12 19:31 |
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| DaemonFC | Why have KSCD? | Aug 12 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | All it does is play a CD, which Dragon Player, and Amarok can do | Aug 12 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | and furthermore, why have Dragon Player instead of upgrading Amarok to play videos? | Aug 12 19:32 |
| amarsh04 | I was using kscd to input freedb.org submissions, but abcde works better | Aug 12 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | having a native Linux application with the power of Foobar2000 seems like a pointless thing to hold out for | Aug 12 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | kind of like waiting for an editor that improves on Edit.com | Aug 12 19:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Android Overtakes Apples in World-Wide Market Share According to Gartner - http://bit.ly/96V69y pretty significant #android #iphone | Aug 12 19:34 | |
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| MinceR | such as qbasic.exe? :> | Aug 12 19:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @ggreenwald How propagandists function: Exhibit A http://shar.es/006xa / transparent #war machine spiel "mainstreaming" #Iran attack | Aug 12 19:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Seems to me that instead of hooking into a broken abstraction layer like Gstreamer, they could just depend on FAAC, FLAC, LAME, and Vorbis tools | Aug 12 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | whoever made K3B should make a media player | Aug 12 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | because they obviously know what the hell they are doing | Aug 12 19:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] USTR's Funny Definition Of Transparency: Next ACTA Negotiations Still Shrouded In Secrecy http://dlvr.it/3jbkL | Aug 12 19:37 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- Germ Theory Denialism http://youtu.be/tyodvwxe4mE?a | Aug 12 19:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Thetans | Aug 12 19:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 12/8/2010: #MontaVista Meld Update, '$35 Tablet' Demo http://techrights.org/2010/08/12/meld-update/ | Aug 12 19:49 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Linguist on mission to save Inuit 'fossil language' disappearing with the ice - http://bit.ly/bm1uLV good move against depressing background | Aug 12 19:57 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Eben Moglen: We Will Not Between Now and 2020 [Face] a Copyright Crisis But the Patent Crisis is Not Going Away http://ur1.ca/13n07 #swpats | Aug 12 20:15 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] weird: that Guardian story on Inuit linguistics seems to have fallen through the ice...sorry about that.... | Aug 12 20:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Just booked deutschewolke.de for german cloud solutions. Krautcloud.de was already taken. hrmpf. | Aug 12 20:22 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] luckily, @unhammer found this link (thanks): http://bit.ly/aSbxrQ Linguist on mission to save Inuit 'fossil language' disappearing with ice | Aug 12 20:23 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @cdibona: We posted on our blog about the net neutrality thing. Please read? http://bit.ly/czcywQ | Aug 12 20:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Are you aware of any Windows programs that can burn DMG files? | Aug 12 20:37 |
| MinceR | nope | Aug 12 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | or am I going to have to convert this thing somehow | Aug 12 20:37 |
| MinceR | i don't remember handling dmg files at all | Aug 12 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's a Mac-related disk image | Aug 12 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | involving my Hackintosh project | Aug 12 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like Crapple actually did use a RadeonHD 4670 at one point | Aug 12 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | so I should be able to use the vanilla kernel | Aug 12 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | "The 21.5-inch iMac offers fast graphics performance with either the ATI Radeon HD 4670 with 256MB of dedicated memory or the ATI Radeon HD 5670 with 512MB of memory." | Aug 12 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Those are "fast"? | Aug 12 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | that's budget level PC hardware | Aug 12 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | hell, my old 4670 has 1 GB on it | Aug 12 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | and the 5670 in this system also has 1 GB | Aug 12 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 12 20:42 |
| MinceR | the RDF makes it fast | Aug 12 20:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 12 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Their pictured game is Need For Speed Carbon | Aug 12 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | on Windows in 2006, it sucked, and is now jewel case for $9.99 | Aug 12 20:43 |
| MinceR | just like crApple deciding to use an integrated GPU suddenly made integrated GPUs a valid choice according to crApple | Aug 12 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | wonder how much the Mac version is | Aug 12 20:43 |
| MinceR | they said those weren't viable beforehand | Aug 12 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 12 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | they used to have a custom-fit PCI bus Radeon 9800 | Aug 12 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | with 64 MB of RAM | Aug 12 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | and they were making fun of integrated Intel GMA | Aug 12 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | which was actually faster even at that point | Aug 12 20:44 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 12 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | my GMA at that point on a bargain basement HP has like 128 MB available to it from the system memory | Aug 12 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | which was DDR 400 I think | Aug 12 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | so it was actually still faster than the dedicated vram on the Mac Mini | Aug 12 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | I remember laughing at that | Aug 12 20:45 |
| MinceR | laughing at is the only thing crApple is good for | Aug 12 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | well, one of the points they made about discrete hardware wasn't even valid in their case | Aug 12 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | you can take it out yourself and upgrade it with a new card | Aug 12 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | how do you do that when it has been custom fit to the Mac Mini's case? | Aug 12 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | You can take it out, but even a low profile PC card won't fit | Aug 12 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | so what will you upgrade it with? | Aug 12 20:47 |
| MinceR | a new mac mini, of course :> | Aug 12 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | of course! | Aug 12 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | It's upgradeable | Aug 12 20:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Does Not Necessarily Break Insecurity Record http://ur1.ca/13n7i #security #windows #spin | Aug 12 20:48 | |
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| DaemonFC | 1. Throw the entire unit in the trash. | Aug 12 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | 2. Buy new one from Apple. | Aug 12 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | wasn't that easy? | Aug 12 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 12 20:49 |
| MinceR | the same upgrade process for all crApple products | Aug 12 20:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Just had lunch, now back to the recording, join the Severed Fifth album recording live at http://bit.ly/4nJmbr #severedfifth | Aug 12 20:52 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Vote On Whether Or Not I Get To Speak At SXSW http://dlvr.it/3jknP | Aug 12 21:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, You might get away with a proper hardware upgrade on a Mac Pro | Aug 12 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | but if you knew how, you'd just build your own PC | Aug 12 21:09 |
| *DaemonFC replaces MinceR's mouse with an Apple Magic Mouse | Aug 12 21:15 | |
| *MinceR refuses access | Aug 12 21:15 | |
| *DaemonFC solders the Magic Mouse into one of MinceR's USB ports | Aug 12 21:17 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 12 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 12 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | Need For Speed Carbon is still $70 on the Mac | Aug 12 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | vs $10 on Windows | Aug 12 21:17 |
| *MinceR still doesn't allow DaemonFC's grubby mitts near his equipment | Aug 12 21:17 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] The denial of stay in Prop 8. There's no "piss off" like a judge's "piss off." http://is.gd/eeVwj (PDF) HT @xlerb | Aug 12 21:17 | |
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| MinceR | that's the idiot tax | Aug 12 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | you could buy two Mac games, or for the difference in price, buy a copy of Windows and the Windows versions | Aug 12 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 12 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | where exactly does the Mac gain its users from? | Aug 12 21:19 |
| MinceR | Yankeestan | Aug 12 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | You can't find software for them, they don't like a lot of PC hardware | Aug 12 21:20 |
| MinceR | mostly | Aug 12 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | sound like Linux for rich people | Aug 12 21:20 |
| MinceR | nope, Linux isn't nearly so broken | Aug 12 21:20 |
| MinceR | or inflexible | Aug 12 21:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Rob Tiller and A.J. Venter Explain Why Software Patents Are Bad, Apple Clarifies Patenting Software http://ur1.ca/13nei #swpats | Aug 12 21:20 | |
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| MinceR | it also has better hw support | Aug 12 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | well, the Mac actually runs better on my Core 2 Duo PC than Linux does | Aug 12 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | meaning my GPU functions properly | Aug 12 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | and my TV tuner card even works | Aug 12 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Linux has great DVR software and supports like two models of tuner card, neither one for sale in the US | Aug 12 21:22 |
| MinceR | that's because crApple made the mistake of shipping ati crap a few times | Aug 12 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | that may be an exaggeration but it's the impression it left me with | Aug 12 21:22 |
| MinceR | strange | Aug 12 21:22 |
| MinceR | you should check the docs of the bttv driver, for example | Aug 12 21:22 |
| MinceR | that list in itself is already a lot longer than 2 entries | Aug 12 21:22 |
| MinceR | actually, both lists | Aug 12 21:22 |
| MinceR | (DAC chip and tuner chip) | Aug 12 21:22 |
| MinceR | then there's the saa-something driver | Aug 12 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | the manufacturer of mine suggested using Ubuntu 8.04 | Aug 12 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | and their blob | Aug 12 21:23 |
| MinceR | and these are only the analog cards | Aug 12 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | when I complained that Ubuntu 10.04 didn't recognize it | Aug 12 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | They apparently don't support this card anymore | Aug 12 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | and won't be updating their blob to work with modern distros | Aug 12 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | that's a nice rub isn't it? | Aug 12 21:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Reporters Sans Fact-checking Washington has issued some idiot statement, based on a bunch of quotes we never made. | Aug 12 21:24 | |
| DaemonFC | "Buy our card, we support Linux!" | Aug 12 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | 2 years later.... "Buy a new card, we don't support that card anymore!" | Aug 12 21:25 |
| MinceR | well, there's a company who supports Linux, but you hate them | Aug 12 21:25 |
| MinceR | and their GPUs :> | Aug 12 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | they never made a Windows 7 driver | Aug 12 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | but the one for Vista works | Aug 12 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | ish | Aug 12 21:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] RSF is peeved over reactionary modifications to the proposed Federal source protection bill. We are too, but get your facts right. | Aug 12 21:25 | |
| MinceR | and there's another that supports Linux to some extent via binary blobs | Aug 12 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 12 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think Nvidia's hardware is crap | Aug 12 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | you're right | Aug 12 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | total, utter, complete, crap | Aug 12 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | and it's overpriced | Aug 12 21:26 |
| MinceR | i think that ati's products are crap | Aug 12 21:27 |
| MinceR | and they've been so for ages | Aug 12 21:27 |
| *MinceR remembers the DOS apps warning that there's one chip they don't work with: ATI Mach64 | Aug 12 21:27 | |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Apple laughs all the way to the bank I'm sure | Aug 12 21:27 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Can't Apple owners understand 'jailbreak' means you start the devices life as a prisoner in Apple's cells? | Aug 12 21:27 | |
| DaemonFC | selling budget PC hardware at premium prices | Aug 12 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | with an OS they took most of from open source projects | Aug 12 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Apple is worse than Microsoft | Aug 12 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | way worse | Aug 12 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | moving over to the Mac is like asking for tighter handcuffs | Aug 12 21:29 |
| MinceR | i prefer no handcuffs | Aug 12 21:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Free speech is never free. Keep WikiLeaks strong: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Special:Support | Aug 12 21:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Why exactly did Rosetta (the PPC emulator in OS X) need a TPM? | Aug 12 21:30 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 12 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | they sent out the developer OS X that ran on real PCs, but said if there was no TPM, then Rosetta wouldn't work | Aug 12 21:30 |
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| MinceR | most likely DRM | Aug 12 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | seems someone figured out how to make the ipad more useful | Aug 12 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9NeRQjGwfs&feature=related | Aug 12 21:35 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S78ecsYylTY&feature=related | Aug 12 21:36 |
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| DaemonFC | is that real? | Aug 12 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | oh, it's jsut vnc | Aug 12 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | cheap! | Aug 12 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | lame! | Aug 12 21:37 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I suspect schestowitz is also Captain Frosted Flakes on Linsux | Aug 12 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | and that his other personality takes over from time to time | Aug 12 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Aug 12 21:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Someone needs to do Gimp'd Lemmings shots with the Apple logo as the goal | Aug 12 21:41 | |
| DaemonFC | err | Aug 12 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | Frakes | Aug 12 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/07/ipad_file_transfer/page3.html | Aug 12 21:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @crosbie #FCC Chairman Genachowski owns a poultry farm called #NetNeutrality and his turkeys are demanding he bring them to the .. table. | Aug 12 21:48 | |
| DaemonFC | http://gawker.com/5539717/ | Aug 12 21:48 |
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| DaemonFC | Freedom!!! | Aug 12 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Hooray! | Aug 12 21:49 |
| MinceR | i'd rather have Freedom From Steve Jobs, thank you very much | Aug 12 21:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Anti-Piracy Failure Takes Down Creative Commons Videos http://bit.ly/ciDeGz | Aug 12 21:50 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_the_mad_hatter] 1/5th of Pakistan is now under water. I feel so sorry for the people of Pakistan. | Aug 12 21:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Do you get a free portion of Freedom Fries with your iGadget? | Aug 12 21:56 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Continues to Distort the Word 'Open' and Harm #SVG Using Proprietary #VML http://ur1.ca/13npf #odf #ooxml #opencore | Aug 12 21:57 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Aug 12 22:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Righthaven Continues To Stretch The Meaning Of Copyright Law In Filing Lawsuits http://dlvr.it/3jr8J | Aug 12 22:14 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Hello Roy | Aug 12 22:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, I have a bunch of links and stuff to post, would you rather I post them here, or PM them to you? | Aug 12 22:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://techrights.org/2010/08/12/ballnux-added-to-amazon-fog/ | Aug 12 22:24 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | These are a long series of posts relating to the ecominic colaspe and Microsoft | Aug 12 22:27 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/11/AR2010081105091.html?nav=rss_business/industries Chaos in U.S. markets on trade deficit, global data | Aug 12 22:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Chaos in U.S. markets on trade deficit, global data .::. Size~: 87.18 KB | Aug 12 22:27 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Stocks were deeply in the red Wednesday after the U.S. trade deficit widened unexpectedly and a string of weak economic reports from Asia and Europe heightened concerns that the global recovery is veering off track." | Aug 12 22:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "The Dow Jones industrial average plummeted 265 points, or 2.49 percent, with all 30 component stocks lower. The Nasdaq closed down more than 3 percent and the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index was off 2.82 percent. Stocks across a broad range of industries, from aerospace and technology to retail, declined despite strong earnings reports from large companies." | Aug 12 22:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Amazon EC2 Has Just Become Even More Infected With #Microsoft ‘Patent Tax’ on #Linux (Ballnux Added) http://ur1.ca/13nwn #swpats #suse | Aug 12 22:28 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/business/12markets.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss | Aug 12 22:28 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Given the uneven rebound in the United States, and now signs that the world?s other economic engines are slowing, economists say Americans may confront high unemployment and lackluster growth for some time to come." | Aug 12 22:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "With the Chinese economy slowing, and European governments tightening their belts to bring down worrisome budget deficits, the fear is that the United States economy will get far less help from overseas than many people had expected." | Aug 12 22:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | my comment: What this means, is that the Chinese, are the major suppliers of computer hardware for most of the world's market. Any slowdown on computer sales, will affect the bottom line at Microsoft. | Aug 12 22:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ECONOMY?SITE=CAANG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT | Aug 12 22:30 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Claims could also be rising because of large job cuts by state and local governments, which are struggling with unprecedented budget gaps. State and local governments cut 48,000 jobs in July, the most in a year." | Aug 12 22:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/11/microsoft_reacts_pc_sales_slowdown/ | Aug 12 22:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft: ignore PC sales slump 'chatter' • The Register .::. Size~: 27.23 KB | Aug 12 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft has downplayed "chatter" about a looming slowdown in PC sales hurting Windows 7 and its business in general. | Aug 12 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Executives have separately told Wall St investors that they shouldn't be worried about what they're hearing, and that Microsoft ? which gets a third of its annual business from sales of Windows on PCs ? is fine." | Aug 12 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Koefoed was speaking after JP Morgan analyst Christopher Danely said that HP and Acer have cut orders to suppliers of semiconductors. He said that orders are unlikely to pick up, due to the presence of increased numbers of PCs in the supply chain combined with weakening demand in the US, Europe and China." | Aug 12 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft now expects that revenue for its Windows Division will grow roughly in line with PC shipments for the current first quarter and full year. | Aug 12 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Any slowdown would put a major crimp in that projection and Microsoft's business." | Aug 12 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.thestreet.com/story/10834421/1/bill-gates-sells-511m-worth-of-microsoft.html?cm_ven=GOOGLEFI Bill Gates Sells $51.1M Worth of Microsoft | Aug 12 22:32 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | my comment: Like a rat deserting a sinking ship? | Aug 12 22:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] In the Words of the Daughter of Microsoft's PR Spammer Pam Edstrom http://ur1.ca/13nxy #pr #marketing #windows #WaggenerEdstrom | Aug 12 22:32 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/217650.asp?from=blog_last3 Microsoft stock drops as Wall Street sweats PC decline | Aug 12 22:33 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "The same decline that hit Intel and Apple on Tuesday also hit Microsoft, and it was getting worse Wednesday morning. Microsoft's share price has dropped more than $1 since the markets closed Monday, including an approximate 2 percent drop Wednesday already." | Aug 12 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Standard & Poor's equity analyst Jim Yin lowered his rating on Microsoft stock Wednesday to "hold" from "buy," and cut his price target from $35 to $31. MSFT was trading at about $24.60 as of 10 a.m. PDT." | Aug 12 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Inventories of some PC components such as hard disk drives have been rising, indicating to us that some PC manufacturers have already seen weaker demand. Slower economic growth will most likely delay a PC refresh cycle." | Aug 12 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.gofanboy.com/home/fanboy-features/3519-say-goodbye-to-the-xbox-brand-if-kinect-fails-at-retail- Say Goodbye to the Xbox Brand if Kinect Fails at Retail | Aug 12 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Now the company is launching a new peripheral called Kinect (formerly Project Natal) which aims to compete head-to-head with Sony?s own Playstation Move motion controller. The hitch to this little endeavor however is that it?s for a console that many developers feel is nearing its peak performance already. Another problem is that the best market for the Xbox brand, North America, has already been saturated with the Xbox | Aug 12 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | 360. That might sound like a good thing at first, but the downside is that once your best market has purchased your product, they?ll eventually move onto another product. This has proven to be true with the recent surge of the Playstation 3 in the Western markets." | Aug 12 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.pcworld.com/article/203121/android_big_winner_as_smartphone_sales_increase_50_percent.html | Aug 12 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Android Big Winner as Smartphone Sales Increase 50 Percent - PCWorld .::. Size~: 69.89 KB | Aug 12 22:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20013370-1.html Early take on India's $35 tablet: 'Fairly impressive' | Aug 12 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Early take on India's $35 tablet: 'Fairly impressive' | Crave - CNET .::. Size~: 136.84 KB | Aug 12 22:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "While originally presented as a Linux device, the prototype on the show runs on Android (and handles the operating system "fairly smoothly," the surprised Gurus say). It has a virtual keyboard, camera, full video capability, Wi-Fi for browsing that the Gurus found to be "simple and quick," an e-reader, and 2GB RAM. They say the touch screen is a bit slow to respond. All in all, though, they call it a "fairly impressive | Aug 12 22:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | little package," particularly for the price, and a game changer for India and possibly beyond." | Aug 12 22:35 |
| _Goblin | Chips_B_Malroy: Microsoft have to think of ways to drag out the 360 for a few more years...they've only just started to make money on it. | Aug 12 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.techradar.com/news/mobile-computing/the-35-tablet-isn-t-hogwash-709463 The $35 tablet isn't hogwash | Aug 12 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Device has potential to lower the prices of tablets globally | Aug 12 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The $35 tablet isn't hogwash | News | TechRadar UK .::. Size~: 67.28 KB | Aug 12 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "While the media disses and dismisses the ultra low-cost tablet, Microsoft and Google are apparently fighting a pitched battle to place their operating systems on the device aimed at school children of the world. Microsoft has come forth and offered its Windows CE OS to run on the device which currently runs Google's open source Android OS." | Aug 12 22:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | From chips b malroy: If this device comes out for sale around the world, it will be a major disaster for Microsoft. Perhaps even spelling the near end of MS. If it comes out with CE on it, it will still not provide MS with income. But worse if it comes out with Android, and users see an OS without all the stability and malware problems of Windows. | Aug 12 22:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Goblin, agreed they want to keep selling Xbox360's, as this is the only way they will get back some of their early loses on it. | Aug 12 22:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] This is why @wikileaks must be supported: http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/03/15/over-half-your-news-is-spin/ | Aug 12 22:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer seems like #Googlespin - new meme like #failwave | Aug 12 22:37 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] RT @thomasbeagle: NZ officials confirmed that the ACTA meeting in Washington will be a full five-day negotiating round. | Aug 12 22:37 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Over half your news is spin | Crikey .::. Size~: 86.94 KB | Aug 12 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/12/california.same.sex.ruling/?hpt=T1 | Aug 12 22:38 |
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| DaemonFC | yay | Aug 12 22:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Anyway, maybe Roy can or cannot use some of that. | Aug 12 22:38 |
| _Goblin | Linux action show..... | Aug 12 22:39 |
| _Goblin | won't be listening again | Aug 12 22:39 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Android seems to be like the Terminator, neither Apple or Microsoft seem to be able to stop or slow it down. | Aug 12 22:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Bottom line, Microsoft has nothing but pain ahead of it, as the global ecomony tanks further into Depression, and computer sales slow, increased competition from Android, and cheaper computers being sold. | Aug 12 22:43 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] I'm back home from #Linuxcon Great show, I wasn't able to get much writing there, but it gave me many good stories to write in coming days. | Aug 12 22:49 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | whats with all the net splits? | Aug 12 22:51 |
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| *schestowitz will merge missing bits | Aug 12 22:51 | |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <schestowitz> [22:19] <Chips_B_Malroy> Hello Roy | Aug 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <schestowitz> Hello | Aug 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <Chips_B_Malroy> Hey Roy | Aug 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [22:44] <Chips_B_Malroy> I posted all the links and stuff | Aug 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I'm catching up | Aug 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [22:45] <Chips_B_Malroy> would you rather that I PM them to you or as a text, would that be easier for you? | Aug 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [22:45] [Notice] -BNtwitter to #boycottnovell- [sjvn] Desktop Linux Reviews http://is.gd/ef10d Now has a discussion forum. #Linux | Aug 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz |  | Aug 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [22:46] <Chips_B_Malroy> that is, if the links and quotes help? | Aug 12 22:52 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I think I am missing a part of this conversation, at least the important parts, due to net splits | Aug 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Thu, 12 Aug 2010 14:30:21 PDT:[_Goblin] won't be listening again | Aug 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Me neither | Aug 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about them before, I find them rude and FSF hostile | Aug 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | One of them uses Windows in fact :-) | Aug 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | And slams Linux | Aug 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But they are good on audio, as broadcasters | Aug 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: I checked from 3 clients | Aug 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And merged everything | Aug 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | So what you see after the split includes all that I got from three places | Aug 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | BTW, does anyone here use xchat? | Aug 12 22:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I use konversation | Aug 12 22:58 |
| *schestowitz wonders what tessier uses | Aug 12 22:58 | |
| tessier | I use irssi mostly laetly | Aug 12 22:58 |
| tessier | lately | Aug 12 22:58 |
| schestowitz | We need someone to just take logs for a few days when I'm offline | Aug 12 22:58 |
| tessier | Although I have used xchat tons | Aug 12 22:58 |
| tessier | I can do that. | Aug 12 22:58 |
| schestowitz | in xchat log format | Aug 12 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Thanks! | Aug 12 22:59 |
| tessier | oh | Aug 12 22:59 |
| tessier | Ok, I can do that too | Aug 12 22:59 |
| tessier | Let me fire up xchat... | Aug 12 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Not yet though, just next week | Aug 12 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks. | Aug 12 22:59 |
| *tessier figures out how to make xchat take logs | Aug 12 22:59 | |
| tessier | What channels? All of them? | Aug 12 23:00 |
| schestowitz | My machine has been online non-step since July 2008 when I bought it | Aug 12 23:00 |
| schestowitz | tessier: yes, all three if possible | Aug 12 23:00 |
| tessier | I've had an IRC client online pretty much continuously since 1993 :) | Aug 12 23:00 |
| schestowitz | xchat keeps logs in ~/.xchat2/.... by default | Aug 12 23:00 |
| schestowitz | tessier: TechrightsBot keeps logs too, but not in a format I can process | Aug 12 23:01 |
| tessier | My xchat wasn't logging by default. I just enabled it. | Aug 12 23:01 |
| schestowitz | I have a python program that prases the logs in xchat format to produce something with deep links (#time) | Aug 12 23:01 |
| schestowitz | tessier: ah, thanks! | Aug 12 23:02 |
| tessier | Aug 12 14:53:06 <schestowitz>tessier: ah, thanks! | Aug 12 23:02 |
| tessier | Yep, it's working. | Aug 12 23:02 |
| tessier | Does that look like the format you need? | Aug 12 23:02 |
| schestowitz | tessier: there will be an article about Techrights in a British magazine soon | Aug 12 23:02 |
| schestowitz | You're mentioned too | Aug 12 23:02 |
| schestowitz | in /Linux Format/ | Aug 12 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | %AppData%/X-Chat 2 | Aug 12 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 12 23:03 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Windows seems like a minority OS here :-) | Aug 12 23:03 |
| jweyrich | mostly non-existent. | Aug 12 23:03 |
| schestowitz | instructions for Windows users go in footnotes | Aug 12 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | oh right, well in your user folder under some stupid .folder | Aug 12 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | there you go | Aug 12 23:04 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | only thing windows users want to know is how to remove malware | Aug 12 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't come across any | Aug 12 23:04 |
| DaemonFC | Unless it's the magic malware that just pops into existence from the void | Aug 12 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, I did not mean that this site hosted windows malware | Aug 12 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/malware-found-in-screensaver-for-ubuntu.html | Aug 12 23:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it was general statement | Aug 12 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Malware Hidden Inside Screensaver On Gnome-Look | OMG! Ubuntu! .::. Size~: 66.29 KB | Aug 12 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | OMG MALWARE! | Aug 12 23:05 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 12 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Wow. People can install bad software | Aug 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Shocker | Aug 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | News at 11 | Aug 12 23:06 |
| jweyrich | ubuntu is not a parameter for Linux distribution. | Aug 12 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | it could have just as easily been an RPM | Aug 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Linux does not detect bad activity on the fly | Aug 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | It sandboxes it and keeps a repository as circle of trust | Aug 12 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla has https used for plugins | Aug 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | And I know of just one bad plugin | Aug 12 23:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | go to someplace like majorgeeks.com and the top downloads are mostly for security of windows systems. That says a lot for Microsoft. Err, I should say, it says little for MS. | Aug 12 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Some korean extension which few people actually used | Aug 12 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | that helps when all it wants s to turn your high speed connection into a rapid fire spam tool | Aug 12 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | which it can easily do as you | Aug 12 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | or steal your data | Aug 12 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | so the purpose for most malware can easily be achieved with a standard user account on Linux | Aug 12 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's generally not interested in trashing your PC | Aug 12 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | all it has to do is run and spew spam | Aug 12 23:08 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Cool! | Aug 12 23:08 |
| jweyrich | Linux has many malwares too. We must recognize the threats. But it's just more difficult in many ways for a Linux malware to cause real damages to the system than on Windows. | Aug 12 23:08 |
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| DaemonFC | a trojan can run and spew spam, and start up automatically at boot | Aug 12 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | all as a user | Aug 12 23:08 |
| schestowitz | [22:27] <Chips_B_Malroy> These are a long series of posts relating to the ecominic colaspe and Microsoft | Aug 12 23:08 |
| jweyrich | which doesn't cause system damages. | Aug 12 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | so? | Aug 12 23:08 |
| schestowitz | I posted some of these items yesterday (Exact same ones) | Aug 12 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | it still sucks | Aug 12 23:08 |
| jweyrich | of course it sucks, no system is bullet proof. | Aug 12 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Linux machiens are easy to turn into a zombie if you can trick the user into running some random file off the internet | Aug 12 23:09 |
| jweyrich | same is true for windows. | Aug 12 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Windows is easy to turn into a zombie if you can trick the user to run a random program off the internet | Aug 12 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 12 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | so where's the Linux advantage? | Aug 12 23:09 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I red in the logs what oiaohm was saying about Ubuntu, Wine, and Android, and I must say, I think he has nailed it. | Aug 12 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | some dumbass with a copy of Ubuntu is a software target than Windows XP all of a sudden | Aug 12 23:10 |
| jweyrich | did I say it has advantages? :-) it's a matter of taste these days. | Aug 12 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | because they don't even have a chance at being warned about the file | Aug 12 23:10 |
| jweyrich | I prefer not to pay for Microsoft for a buggy system if I can get a free one, which is good too. | Aug 12 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | *softer | Aug 12 23:10 |
| jweyrich | and of course, open source, so I can alter any way I want, if I want. | Aug 12 23:10 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] In spite of Mark Hurd's misadventures, life will go on at HP, by @ron_miller. http://bit.ly/bdkIpa | Aug 12 23:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | The Mac isn't secure either | Aug 12 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Apple is having to sneak around and insert an antivirus engine into the OS | Aug 12 23:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | DaemonFC> Windows is easy to turn into a zombie if you can trick the user to run a random program off the internet" Windows is a zombie even without malware in it, as MS controls it through many back doors. | Aug 12 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | without making an issue of the fact that it's what they've done | Aug 12 23:11 |
| jweyrich | if systems were autonomous, they would be much more secure.. well, more advanced users take good care of it too. | Aug 12 23:11 |
| schestowitz | [22:31] <TechrightsBot> Title: Microsoft: ignore PC sales slump 'chatter' • The Register .::. Size~: 27.23 KB | Aug 12 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Snow Leopard only has a few malware signatures it looks for, but the fact is that the engine is in place | Aug 12 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Gavin | Aug 12 23:12 |
| schestowitz | He does their 'damage control' | Aug 12 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | and the signature count will only go up if the Mac becomes more popular | Aug 12 23:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Roy, the big slump in PC sale for MS is about to happen | Aug 12 23:12 |
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| DaemonFC | and then you'll have the same arms race that Windows users deal with | Aug 12 23:12 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the economy is tanking big time | Aug 12 23:12 |
| jweyrich | the amount of existing malwares is, in no way a not a good index for system security. | Aug 12 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | malware disables antivirus, antivirus implements self defense process | Aug 12 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | malware figures out how to look for the self defense process and kills that too | Aug 12 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | antivirus has to make sure it's the first thing that starts and immediately hooks into the kernel | Aug 12 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | add 20 seconds to your boot time | Aug 12 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Aug 12 23:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | the govs of this world are worried about revenue now, and layoff gov workers. They are the ones tanking the economy now. | Aug 12 23:13 |
| jweyrich | the problem is those who don't touch AVs, thus aren't counterattacked. | Aug 12 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | The problem is that the very worst antivirus companies have the OEM trialware contracts | Aug 12 23:15 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, looks like I did enough damage here for one day, later all. | Aug 12 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | and users end up registering for bullshit like Norton or McAfee | Aug 12 23:15 |
| jweyrich | I found serious bugs on mcafee two years ago. it's so weird. | Aug 12 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | which is beyond worthless | Aug 12 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | and slows the system down, a lot | Aug 12 23:15 |
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| jweyrich | filesystem filter is a fuck* nightmare | Aug 12 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Windows has a standard API that antivirus programs can plug into | Aug 12 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have to set filesystem traps anymore | Aug 12 23:16 |
| jweyrich | since Vista, I guess. | Aug 12 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | which is nice since those can go horribly awry and blue screen the system | Aug 12 23:16 |
| *jweyrich never used Win>XP. | Aug 12 23:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | trapping file system calls is dangerous | Aug 12 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | because there's literally no supported way of doing it | Aug 12 23:17 |
| jweyrich | in what way you mean? | Aug 12 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | and if you screw up it will cause data loss | Aug 12 23:17 |
| jweyrich | ah, yes. | Aug 12 23:17 |
| jweyrich | but it's very common on security. | Aug 12 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | the standard API is much better | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | of course like you said, XP does not have this | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | so antivirus programs, the decent ones anyway, support both methods | Aug 12 23:20 |
| jweyrich | until XP there was none API to do all sort of things AVs and antimalwared needed. | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | and use the standard API if present | Aug 12 23:20 |
| jweyrich | antimalwares* | Aug 12 23:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Why waste time debating about Public vs. Private Cloud? By @ron_miller. http://bit.ly/9Re12V. | Aug 12 23:20 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Public versus Private Cloud Not Worth Debating | Novell User Communities .::. Size~: 59.52 KB | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | right, and if you installed things like third party firewall software, it had to plug into the TCP/IP stack itself | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | and this could corrupt operating system files or settings | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | and frequently did | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | now there's a packet filtering API that all firewall software can plug into | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | again, introduced in Vista | Aug 12 23:20 |
| jweyrich | you should take a look on those banking processes that block keyloggers/spywares. they just infect every single process on your system and patch the IAT. | Aug 12 23:20 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Is Microsoft counting on mobile gaming to save Windows Phone 7? By @pgralla http://bit.ly/bXGklW Me: So not going to matter. | Aug 12 23:20 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @TheTechScribe: How the open source community could save your life | opensource.com http://bit.ly/9IGgAA #LinuxCon Me: Important story. | Aug 12 23:20 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Is Microsoft counting on mobile gaming to save Windows Phone 7? - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 59.39 KB | Aug 12 23:20 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: How the open source community could save your life | opensource.com .::. Size~: 44.86 KB | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | so the chances that security software will royally fuck over your system is not as bad as it used to be | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | provided they use the standard interfaces provided | Aug 12 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft Security Essentials uses the documented API as well | Aug 12 23:20 |
| jweyrich | DaemonFC: do you know the name of this firewall API? on <=xp I always used WPF. | Aug 12 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's nice when they aren't using undocumented API and leaving everyone else to jsut figure something out for themselves | Aug 12 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Filtering Platform or something | Aug 12 23:21 |
| jweyrich | yeah. WPF. | Aug 12 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | I don't believe it existed on XP | Aug 12 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | did it? | Aug 12 23:21 |
| schestowitz | [22:38] <TechrightsBot> Title: Judge gives the green light for same-sex marriage in California - CNN.com .::. Size~: 46.92 KB < so you can marry Jabba in the West Coast now | Aug 12 23:21 |
| jweyrich | yep. | Aug 12 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | I never noticed | Aug 12 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | I've always had a modem/router with iptables though | Aug 12 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | so I've never really had any reason to find out I guess | Aug 12 23:22 |
| jweyrich | yeah, that's one thin I find pretty easier on Linux/Unix than Windows. firewalling. | Aug 12 23:22 |
| jweyrich | thing* | Aug 12 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | right, fine grained control over everything and an application can't just decide to let itself through if it has an administrator hat at the moment | Aug 12 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | which isn't terribly difficult to trick the user into giving it | Aug 12 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 23:23 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: don't get your news from CNN, it's rubbish | Aug 12 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7's auto elevate thing isn't much different than what OS X has always done | Aug 12 23:24 |
| jweyrich | DaemonFC: if you like it, just implement a pluggable signal handler for BPF or at the firewall level. | Aug 12 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | users have to give their password to install software on OS X | Aug 12 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | but launching administrative control panel applets doesn't make you do that | Aug 12 23:24 |
| jweyrich | right, win7 copied OSX. not news. | Aug 12 23:25 |
| jweyrich | it doesn't do by default, but you can enable it. | Aug 12 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | well, Windows also looks at whether or not the user initiated the action I believe | Aug 12 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think OS X does that, anything that grabs the mouse cursor can open a control applet | Aug 12 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | I've tried doing that on Windows 7 with a mouse emulation program | Aug 12 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | and it prompts if you try it that way | Aug 12 23:26 |
| jweyrich | opening an control applet doesn't mean anything. changing system configs yep. | Aug 12 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | of course systems with a lot of if/or/and rules are more prone to attack | Aug 12 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | it would be safer to just do like Vista did and ask for confirmation to open those applets | Aug 12 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | but that annoyed many users | Aug 12 23:28 |
| jweyrich | sure, and let the user click YES because it's insanely irritated with those popups which he doesn't even know what mean. | Aug 12 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 12 23:28 |
| jweyrich | one-click-away threats. | Aug 12 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | eventually they click YES one to many times | Aug 12 23:28 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Rethinking Peer Review As The World Peer Reviews Claimed Proof That P≠NP http://dlvr.it/3jxcd | Aug 12 23:28 | |
| DaemonFC | and then "uh oh" | Aug 12 23:28 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Rethinking Peer Review As The World Peer Reviews Claimed Proof That P`NP | Techdirt .::. Size~: 23.31 KB | Aug 12 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 23:28 |
| schestowitz | [23:25] <jweyrich> right, win7 copied OSX. not news. | Aug 12 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Vista copied OS X | Aug 12 23:29 |
| jweyrich | well, at least you can say "it's your fault, because the system asked you" | Aug 12 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Aug 12 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | precisely | Aug 12 23:29 |
| jweyrich | oh my bad schestowitz heh. | Aug 12 23:29 |
| schestowitz | Vista 7 just added deskbar and some facelift | Aug 12 23:29 |
| jweyrich | I don't have much against windows. | Aug 12 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | I set Mandatory DEP (NX support) | Aug 12 23:30 |
| jweyrich | I think these days it's a matter of taste only. | Aug 12 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | for legacy reasons, it's only mandatory by default on Win64 apps | Aug 12 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | unless you force 32-bit apps into it | Aug 12 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | which is another problem, seeing as how many internet apps are 32-bit | Aug 12 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | and may not opt-in themselves | Aug 12 23:30 |
| jweyrich | correct, but 32bit dependencies (dlls) don't use ASLR or DEP | Aug 12 23:30 |
| jweyrich | that's a very known attack vector yet. | Aug 12 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have something crash on me and have to set an exception than to have a buffer overflow attack succeed | Aug 12 23:31 |
| jweyrich | users don't know how to deal with crashes, they just blame the system "that crap doesn't work" | Aug 12 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | right | Aug 12 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | which is why it's not set like that | Aug 12 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | it would require work to deal with that configuration sometimes | Aug 12 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | I really don't see too many things crash due to that | Aug 12 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm sure something out there still wouldn't like it very much | Aug 12 23:33 |
| *jweyrich is about to change his career. computers are too complicated. | Aug 12 23:33 | |
| jweyrich | lmao. | Aug 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | it's interesting that in those PWN 2 OWN things, the "attacker" goes after the Mac first | Aug 12 23:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Max Headroom - The Complete Series DVD Information http://is.gd/ef41i Loved this show & in some ways it foreshadowed our tech/media world. | Aug 12 23:33 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Max Headroom - The Complete Series DVD Information | TVShowsOnDVD.com .::. Size~: 20.36 KB | Aug 12 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | and it's eliminated like within the first hour | Aug 12 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | then Windows and Linux last several days | Aug 12 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | Apple takes security even less seriously than Microsoft does | Aug 12 23:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] $145 computer-on-module (COM) built around an ARM9 Atmel AT91SAM9G45 processor clocked at 400MHz http://tinyurl.com/2fvxwgq | Aug 12 23:34 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Tiny ARM9 module ramps up to 400MHz - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 52.49 KB | Aug 12 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen them take 7 months to patch critical security vulnerabilities with full details made public | Aug 12 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | it makes Patch Tuesday look lightning fast in comparison | Aug 12 23:35 |
| jweyrich | Microsoft does a good job at patching. | Aug 12 23:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Attorney Gene Quinn [...] calls those who oppose software patents "ideological buffoons". http://lwn.net/Articles/399753/ #WatchTroll | Aug 12 23:35 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: A weak case for software patents (opensource.com) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 33.88 KB | Aug 12 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | so basically OS X is a powder keg that nobody bothers with | Aug 12 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | and its users are just running on luck | Aug 12 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure the high price of even buying a Mac in the first place deters a lot of the third world criminals who might otherwise write a lot of the malware | Aug 12 23:37 |
| jweyrich | well, it's difficult to say. I don't run any daemons. I'd risk to say it's more viable to hack my mac thru an application I use every day, like Chromium. | Aug 12 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | There's still a lot of Windows XP users out there | Aug 12 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | and the malware writers can deploy their own copy of XP on any hardware made since the late 1990s | Aug 12 23:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] IPKat troll on swpats: "I'm a patent attorney. I do a lot of work in software and consider it something of a speciality" http://ur1.ca/13oc6 | Aug 12 23:37 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The IPKat: Software Patents as Stalking Horses for the Patent System .::. Size~: 123.95 KB | Aug 12 23:37 |
| jweyrich | but I certainly wouldn't use an xserve or any macs as servers full of daemons. | Aug 12 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | Well, running a lot of software that you don't need is a gratuitous security risk | Aug 12 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | for example, Logitech's webcam software or ATI's Catalyst Control Center | Aug 12 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | (Nvidia has their own crapplet too) | Aug 12 23:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] You have observed some of my tweets 2 times. Sorry if this annoyed you. I am now using twitterfeed to put tweet updates about my blog. | Aug 12 23:38 | |
| DaemonFC | those have security vulnerabilities at times | Aug 12 23:38 |
| jweyrich | I kill them all (used too at least0. | Aug 12 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | and they love to park themsevles in the system tray with an administrator hat | Aug 12 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | so leaving software that you don't use running is a bad thing | Aug 12 23:39 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] No appeal of EPO decisions to the ECJ, even in the future system, EPO still operating in a vaccuum: http://ur1.ca/13ocu | Aug 12 23:39 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Visae Patentes: Hearing of EU Court of Justice on EU Patent System did not Address Representation before Patents Court .::. Size~: 65.97 KB | Aug 12 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | not only for guzzling resources, but it may open up a security problem | Aug 12 23:40 |
| jweyrich | I frequently see a windows with a huge tray. many colorful icons. then I ask the owner "what's all these?" and the answer, most of times is "I don't know". | Aug 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | The hiding of tray icons in Windows 7 bugged me | Aug 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | but I set it to never do that | Aug 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | it's as annoying as Ubuntu's indicator applet | Aug 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | but there's no good way to make that go away | Aug 12 23:40 |
| jweyrich | what's indicator applet? | Aug 12 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | that duplicate notification tray Ubuntu has | Aug 12 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | with that damned envelope thing | Aug 12 23:41 |
| jweyrich | ahh right | Aug 12 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | right, I believe that everything I'm running needs to have its own tray icon | Aug 12 23:41 |
| *jweyrich doesn't even know which package manager ubuntu uses nowadays. lol | Aug 12 23:41 | |
| DaemonFC | I mean, look at how much panel space there is | Aug 12 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | do they need to save 2-3 icons worth? | Aug 12 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | then what's worse is that they stick entries like Evolution in there | Aug 12 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | which requires as many clicks as it takes to get it out of the Applications menu | Aug 12 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | I just think the thing is badly designed | Aug 12 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | and there should be a way to turn it off and get normal tray icons back | Aug 12 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | but there isn't since they patched the applications so they don't display their own icons | Aug 12 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | And extending the GNOME 2 Panel is like adding on to a condemned building | Aug 12 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME 3 is going to be here soon-ish | Aug 12 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | and then GNOME Panel will be unmaintained bit rot | Aug 12 23:44 |
| jweyrich | http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2010/08/cars-hacked-through-wireless-tyre-sensors.ars -- will only ride on popular cars from now on heh. | Aug 12 23:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Cars hacked through wireless tire sensors .::. Size~: 25.83 KB | Aug 12 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | they say it will be around for a while, but around and properly supported are not the same thing | Aug 12 23:45 |
| *jweyrich hates all Linux window managers. :( | Aug 12 23:45 | |
| DaemonFC | well, GNOME Shell can be temperamental | Aug 12 23:45 |
| jweyrich | gtk is SO, SO, SOOOOO tremendously ugly. KDE is totally unusable. | Aug 12 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | it depends a lot on your video drivers | Aug 12 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | it demands compositing, and it can't fall back to software compositing if your drivers blow | Aug 12 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | so they're not doing themselves any favors here | Aug 12 23:46 |
| schestowitz | [23:35] <jweyrich> Microsoft does a good job at patching. < you mean at hiding flaws? | Aug 12 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | to promote mass adoption | Aug 12 23:46 |
| jweyrich | schestowitz: no, really. when it comes to public flaws it does a good job. | Aug 12 23:46 |
| jweyrich | s/it does/they do/ | Aug 12 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | I finally put my XP x64 system on Windows 7 Professional | Aug 12 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | it had become too much of a maintenance nightmare | Aug 12 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | XP x64 has accumulated hundreds of patches past its SP2 and there is no SP3 for it, only HUNDREDS of hotfixes | Aug 12 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | so I integrated those onto my own remastered install disc every once in a while | Aug 12 23:48 |
| *jweyrich sticks to his osx. | Aug 12 23:48 | |
| DaemonFC | but now nothing that comes out of Microsoft even runs on XP x64 if they can help it | Aug 12 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | Office 2010 won't, Windows Live Essentials won't | Aug 12 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | MS Security Essentials won't | Aug 12 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to trick Office 2010 and Windows Live Essentials with Windbg into thinking I had Windows XP 32-bit with SP3 | Aug 12 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | but the 2010 build of Essentials requires Vista or 7 | Aug 12 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | even normal XP won't work | Aug 12 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 12 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | they're starting to dip their toes in the water when it comes to making normal XP hell on wheels (forced incompatibility) | Aug 12 23:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Should I watch a few IT crowd shows? | Aug 12 23:51 | |
| DaemonFC | they held off for a long time because they didn't want to provoke a mass exodus to Linux | Aug 12 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | which is the only other thing you can expect to run on a lot of XP-era hardware | Aug 12 23:52 |
| jweyrich | _Goblin: if you like TBBT, go on. I hate both. | Aug 12 23:52 |
| _Goblin | TBBT? | Aug 12 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | lots of non-MS software that still supports XP is starting to complain or refuse to install if you're not on SP3 | Aug 12 23:53 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] or should I go to bed??? hmmm | Aug 12 23:53 | |
| jweyrich | the big bang theory. | Aug 12 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's not really that SP3 is any more or less reliable | Aug 12 23:54 |
| _Goblin | ah | Aug 12 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's that things will fail in different circumstances on SP2 than they will on SP3 sometimes | Aug 12 23:54 |
| jweyrich | Cisco IOS Software TCP Denial of Service < oh my god! heh. | Aug 12 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | so the author of that program really only wants to test one service pack level of XP | Aug 12 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | I don't blame them | Aug 12 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't want to keep XP around at all, much less two different copies of it | Aug 12 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | you might trick it into running on SP2, the soft block is there because they don't want to hear your bug reports if you have that configuration | Aug 12 23:56 |
| jweyrich | DaemonFC: with whom you're talking to? | Aug 12 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | and users would file them if the program jsut went ahead and worked | Aug 12 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of patched bugs | Aug 12 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz mentioned they hide them | Aug 12 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | they don't, they patch one thing and cause a problem somewhere else | Aug 12 23:58 |
| schestowitz | No, they hide | Aug 12 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's why Linux doesn't promise a stable ABI for drivers | Aug 12 23:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/05/31/silent-patching-confirmed-by-msft/ | Aug 12 23:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Finally Admits Numbers of Vulnerabilities It Reports Are Fake | Techrights .::. Size~: 114.57 KB | Aug 12 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | once things depend on bugs, you can't fix them easily | Aug 12 23:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/197410/microsoft_official_admits_to_quiet_security_patching.html | Aug 12 23:59 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Official Admits to Quiet Security Patching - PCWorld .::. Size~: 69.45 KB | Aug 12 23:59 |
| schestowitz | '“We don’t document every issue found,” Mike Reavey, director of the Microsoft Security Response Center (MSRC), said at a meeting with reporters at the company’s corporate headquarters in Redmond, Washington.' | Aug 12 23:59 |
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