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DaemonFCWhy would they? To encourage attack code for that issue on non-patched systems?Aug 13 00:00
DaemonFCthey would likely make the situation worse by detailing what they found and fixedAug 13 00:00
jweyrichto be transparent?Aug 13 00:01
DaemonFC"Hey, there's a bazillion people with Windows Update turned off out there, and here's how you attack them in this particular case!"Aug 13 00:01
jweyrichcorrect. it's called full disclosure.Aug 13 00:02
DaemonFCjweyrich, That's like passing out ammunition to the bad guys in the interest of "fighting fair"Aug 13 00:02
jweyrichno. vendors aren't required to publish the flaw until a % of its users are patched.Aug 13 00:02
jweyrichbut you must publish it at some point.Aug 13 00:02
jweyrichif users don't update their systems, they're negligent, and must be pwned IMO ;-)Aug 13 00:03
DaemonFCWell, I think they should just force automatic updating ONAug 13 00:03
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 00:03
DaemonFCpersonallyAug 13 00:03
jweyrichme too.Aug 13 00:03
DaemonFCI mean, the really invasive crap like the Activation updates are unchecked by default anywayAug 13 00:03
DaemonFCthey have to beAug 13 00:03
jweyrichbut I know various companies that don't update because the system is working, and they use the argument "updates change the system behaviour, and may cause problems"Aug 13 00:04
DaemonFCthere are contracts they have in place with business customers that state that they agree not to shove those inAug 13 00:04
DaemonFCright, which is why security updates should simply be forcedAug 13 00:04
jweyrichwhich is like saying "oh, I'm crossing the yellow light, and never had troubles... so I don't bother"Aug 13 00:04
DaemonFCand applied the next time someone reboots the machineAug 13 00:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] cURL 7.21.1 - New version released! http://tinyurl.com/2vc699l #bash #linux #fossAug 13 00:04
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schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_IndexAug 13 00:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Corruption Perceptions Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 223.5 KBAug 13 00:05
schestowitzUK and US adjacentAug 13 00:05
DaemonFCyay, more UN crapAug 13 00:05
schestowitzUN stands for your name,ryanAug 13 00:05
schestowitzU nationalist!Aug 13 00:06
DaemonFCnationalist is not an insultAug 13 00:06
DaemonFCjust because the UK was stupid enough to erase its borders and submit to the EU doesn't mean you have to be spiteful you knowAug 13 00:06
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 00:06
schestowitzIt is when you abbrevaiate itAug 13 00:06
schestowitzUS doesn't like the USAug 13 00:06
schestowitz*UNAug 13 00:06
schestowitzIt daemises the UNAug 13 00:07
schestowitzCause the US assumes it's the bosssAug 13 00:07
DaemonFCright, we should throw their asses outAug 13 00:07
schestowitzIt doesn't like having a parentAug 13 00:07
DaemonFCand withdrawAug 13 00:07
DaemonFCimmediately if not soonerAug 13 00:07
DaemonFCthe UN is its own monsterAug 13 00:07
DaemonFCwith its own political agenda Aug 13 00:08
DaemonFCand its own corruptionAug 13 00:08
DaemonFCand you like to be the unwitting pawn of the NWO type crapAug 13 00:08
DaemonFCbut I don'tAug 13 00:08
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 00:08
DaemonFCthey play you like a fiddleAug 13 00:08
DaemonFCthat's why you think "nationalist" is an insultAug 13 00:09
DaemonFCit's notAug 13 00:09
DaemonFCNationalism was made into an insult by the Globalization peopleAug 13 00:10
schestowitz"NWO", ice age coming... ryan, ryan... have you gone insane?Aug 13 00:10
DaemonFCthe very concept of a nation undermines themAug 13 00:10
schestowitzYou spew out nonsense hereAug 13 00:10
DaemonFCyou're a globalistAug 13 00:10
schestowitzAnd make the channel look irrationalAug 13 00:10
DaemonFCjust admit itAug 13 00:10
DaemonFCcall yourself what you areAug 13 00:10
schestowitznations have no meaningAug 13 00:10
schestowitzOr shouldn'tAug 13 00:10
schestowitzjus continentsAug 13 00:11
DaemonFCyou think that everyone should just turn in their way of life and let some central nanny state of the entire world dole out what it thinks you should haveAug 13 00:11
schestowitzBut almost all continents are connected tooAug 13 00:11
DaemonFCyou basically want a global far left fascist stateAug 13 00:11
DaemonFCis what I thinAug 13 00:11
DaemonFC*thinkAug 13 00:12
DaemonFCyou've been conned into thinking that way by the banksters who want to see a one world state for their own financial gainAug 13 00:13
DaemonFCyou think it will turn into a socialist paradise or somethingAug 13 00:13
DaemonFCyeah, all will be equal (equally poor, equally enslaved, etc.)Aug 13 00:15
DaemonFCthat's where this ACTA type shit comes fromAug 13 00:15
DaemonFCyour buddiesAug 13 00:15
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 00:15
DaemonFCThe EU is only opposed to *some* parts of ACTA because they want to be the sole control freaks in charge of frisking the EuropeansAug 13 00:16
DaemonFCand that's the only reason it hasn't moved forward yetAug 13 00:16
DaemonFCthe villains haven't quite agreed how to carve up the world, they only agree in principleAug 13 00:17
DaemonFCvarious nations end up acting as a check on each otherAug 13 00:17
DaemonFCif you consider that for a momentAug 13 00:17
DaemonFCif it was one corrupt worldwide government, then this ACTA thing wouldn't even be debated, it would just be enacted right away and nobody on Earth would be free of itAug 13 00:18
DaemonFCsame with the rest of the agendaAug 13 00:18
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21Aug 13 00:20
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DaemonFCsustainable development is a greenwashing term for usurping national authority and erasing bordersAug 13 00:20
DaemonFCa lot of this crap like global warming exists only to scare people into giving up their sovereignty Aug 13 00:21
DaemonFCuggh, damned Mac usersAug 13 00:30
DaemonFCwho the hell rips a DVD to DMG?Aug 13 00:30
tessierMac users, apparentlyAug 13 00:30
tessierYou answered your own questionAug 13 00:30
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DaemonFCrightAug 13 00:30
tessierBefore you even asked, no lessAug 13 00:30
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=hR2&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&defl=en&q=define:rhetorical&sa=X&ei=BIJkTLVPhKGcB7ngnJoN&ved=0CBIQkAEAug 13 00:30
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DaemonFChmm, well, that explains why I guessAug 13 00:32
DaemonFC6.4 GB as DMGAug 13 00:32
DaemonFC7.6 GB as ISOAug 13 00:33
DaemonFCso it's basically a disk image with compression I take itAug 13 00:33
*DaemonFC hasn't really researched the formatAug 13 00:33
DaemonFCother than mounting them to install softwareAug 13 00:34
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/MeeGo-for-IVI-10/?kc=rssAug 13 00:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Company That Had The Largest Ever Credit Card Data Breach... Apparently Breached Again http://dlvr.it/3k3VJAug 13 00:46
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schestowitzOdd... why does he advertise Microsoft software? http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-linux-integration-services-v2.1-hyper-v-r2-on-centos-5Aug 13 00:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-centos-5.5-x86_64-ispconfig-2Aug 13 00:58
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tessierhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Browser_Wars.svgAug 13 01:19
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tessierInteresting graphicAug 13 01:20
cubevectora bit oldAug 13 01:22
cubevectoroops, sorry, I thought it was something else ;)Aug 13 01:22
cubevectorI was thinking of OS WarsAug 13 01:22
*tessier wonders if Linux has more widely deployed than Windows by nowAug 13 01:22
tessierInternet Explorer became the new dominant browser, attaining a peak of about 96% of the web browser usage share during 2002, more than Netscape had at its peak.Aug 13 01:26
tessierWow. Hard to believe I was in the minority 4% then. It sure didn't feel like it. The web mostly just worked.Aug 13 01:26
cubevectorwhat did sun use for a browser?Aug 13 01:27
tessierNetscapeAug 13 01:28
cubevectorI assume it's Firebox now?Aug 13 01:28
tessierYes. Although I haven't seen a web browser running on Solaris in 10 years.Aug 13 01:29
cubevectoryeah I even tried Solaris 10 and forgot :)Aug 13 01:39
cubevectorit had firefoxAug 13 01:39
cubevectordidn't like it as much as Fedora or Vector thoughAug 13 01:39
cubevectorI'd estimate Linux deployment on everything is 10%Aug 13 01:43
cubevectorphones, pdas, hdtvs, routers, computer, whateverAug 13 01:44
cubevectorhard to say exactlyAug 13 01:44
cubevectorcould be higher Aug 13 01:44
cubevectorlet's say it's at least 10%Aug 13 01:44
cubevectorI used netscape 2.0 quite a bitAug 13 01:49
cubevectoralso it would be interesting to see what the deal was before 1996Aug 13 01:51
cubevectorI think SGI used Mosaic in the early daysAug 13 01:53
cubevectorand before 1991 there was nothing, no gopher and no web browserAug 13 01:55
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cubevectorseem to recall hypertext in the 80's, late 80's Aug 13 01:57
DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/guis/win30help.gifAug 13 02:00
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DaemonFChypertextAug 13 02:00
DaemonFC:DAug 13 02:00
DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/guis/srv2k3.htmlAug 13 02:01
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cubevectorX has been around since 1984Aug 13 02:01
DaemonFC"If you had a "unexpected shutdown" (meaning that you got pissed at the machine and pushed the tower onto the floor, thereby yanking out the power cord), then you have to tell it what happened before it will let you logon. "Aug 13 02:01
DaemonFClolAug 13 02:01
DaemonFCyou can disable the "Why are you shutting down the machine?" promptAug 13 02:01
DaemonFCif you want to use it as a workstationAug 13 02:02
DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/guis/srv2k3wmp2.jpgAug 13 02:02
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DaemonFCpwnedAug 13 02:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Great WikiLeaks panel in London (top video) http://bit.ly/b7EsGtAug 13 02:02
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] I am a Ubuntu GNU/Linux user and bugreporter with a #neckbeard now what?Aug 13 02:07
DaemonFChttp://toastytech.com/guis/winvistadeactivate.jpgAug 13 02:09
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DaemonFCI think they changed that because people thought they were getting another Windows upgradeAug 13 02:09
DaemonFChttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Illumos-launched-as-OpenSolaris-derivative-1050151.htmlAug 13 02:13
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DaemonFCWhat's the point of making a distro of a dead OS?Aug 13 02:13
DaemonFCIE is set to dip below 50% this monthAug 13 02:16
DaemonFCeven as Microsoft says IE 8 is the fastest growing browser ever (as they foist it onto unsuspecting victims through Windows Update)Aug 13 02:17
cubevectorsounds like BS to meAug 13 02:18
DaemonFCIE 8 is the fastest growing browser ever if you consider that it's growing entirely at the expense of older versions of IEAug 13 02:18
DaemonFCand then you don't mention that total IE share still drops every monthAug 13 02:18
cubevectorwhat if we look at IE in general?Aug 13 02:19
cubevectorright :)Aug 13 02:19
DaemonFCthat's what I saidAug 13 02:19
DaemonFCoverall, IE is droppingAug 13 02:19
cubevectornot even worth considering Aug 13 02:19
DaemonFCbut IE 8 is cannibalizing earlier versions fast enough to be the fastest growing version of a browserAug 13 02:19
DaemonFCso basically it's all in how you word itAug 13 02:20
cubevectoreven people who barely know anything about computers prefer firefox to IEAug 13 02:20
DaemonFCSafari had a nice drop this last monthAug 13 02:20
DaemonFClosing 25% of its usersAug 13 02:20
DaemonFCand it looks like Firefox and Chrome gained as many as Safari and IE lostAug 13 02:21
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/Aug 13 02:21
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cubevectorfirefox works fine, I just have to make sure I have decent swap space on low memory systemsAug 13 02:22
cubevectorlow memory being 512 meg or underAug 13 02:22
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-CN-monthly-200907-201008Aug 13 02:22
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DaemonFCIE still has 89% of Chinese usersAug 13 02:23
DaemonFClet's break it down by versionAug 13 02:23
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/#browser_version-CN-monthly-200907-201008Aug 13 02:23
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DaemonFC56% on IE 6Aug 13 02:23
DaemonFChehAug 13 02:23
DaemonFCcubevector, You see, I got this copy of XP from some shadowy figure on the sidewalk and IE 6 so horny, IE 6 love me long timeAug 13 02:24
DaemonFCthe highest number of IE users as a percentage are in third world countriesAug 13 02:25
DaemonFCif you look at the US statistics, they're in line with the worldwide figure Aug 13 02:25
DaemonFCIE actually has a higher percentage of users in the UKAug 13 02:26
DaemonFC55% there vs 53% in the USAug 13 02:26
cubevectorthat seems kind of wrongAug 13 02:27
cubevectoryou would think that a third world country would use FOSS moreAug 13 02:27
DaemonFCapparently notAug 13 02:28
DaemonFCMicrosoft has admitted that they let "piracy" run rampant thereAug 13 02:28
DaemonFCjsut to prevent them from using LinuxAug 13 02:28
DaemonFCwe also know they have $3 copies of Windows StarterAug 13 02:28
DaemonFCand that they have geolocation based product activationAug 13 02:28
DaemonFCso who says the same mechanism couldn't be deployed to prevent deactivating pirate copies in the third worldAug 13 02:29
DaemonFCwhile they clamp down on first world countriesAug 13 02:29
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 02:29
DaemonFCI happen to think that's what's going onAug 13 02:29
DaemonFCthey're using geolocation to avoid deactivating cracked bootloaders in third world countries Aug 13 02:30
cubevectorwell closed source, how can you know what's going on?Aug 13 02:30
cubevectorMicrosoft could pull almost any trickAug 13 02:30
DaemonFCI said it's my opinion that they're doing something like thatAug 13 02:30
DaemonFCobviously those copies of pirate Windows aren't shutting downAug 13 02:31
DaemonFCwhy not just use the existing geolocation based activation to avoid shutting down "pirate" Windows in the third world?Aug 13 02:31
cubevectorin poorer countries there should be more white box PCsAug 13 02:31
DaemonFCit's probably the easiest way to avoid hitting themAug 13 02:32
cubevectorno money for Microsoft in that caseAug 13 02:32
DaemonFCthey'd rather give every copy of Windows away for free thereAug 13 02:32
DaemonFCthan see open source take rootAug 13 02:32
DaemonFCbecause then there's no getting them back, everAug 13 02:32
cubevectorwell it will be a slow decline thenAug 13 02:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] WikiLeaks Frontline talk on Afghan War Dairy (video) http://bit.ly/bkO0pBAug 13 02:32
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DaemonFCnot reallyAug 13 02:33
DaemonFCthey've poisoned the well pretty goodAug 13 02:33
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/#os-CN-monthly-200907-201008Aug 13 02:33
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DaemonFCLinux fails to even chartAug 13 02:33
DaemonFCbut given the high number of IE users, that was likelyAug 13 02:34
DaemonFCaccording to this, 98.92% of the internet traffic in China is coming from Windows PCsAug 13 02:35
DaemonFCand almost 90% of the internet users in China, are using IE on WindowsAug 13 02:35
DaemonFCcubevector, I could see that possibility Aug 13 02:36
DaemonFCof course I don't believe people change until they have toAug 13 02:36
DaemonFCso why would they stop using Windows, which is free of charge already?Aug 13 02:36
DaemonFCcontinuing to use pirate Windows is just an aversion to changeAug 13 02:37
cubevectorkeyloggers, spam, viruses, malware in generalAug 13 02:37
cubevectorand of course programmers like FOSSAug 13 02:37
DaemonFCif Microsoft started clamping down, Linux would take over instantlyAug 13 02:37
DaemonFCwell, Iran is also heavily dependent on WindowsAug 13 02:38
DaemonFCeven their government PCs run pirated WindowsAug 13 02:38
DaemonFCwhich is just stupidAug 13 02:38
cubevectorLinux use is higher in GermanyAug 13 02:38
DaemonFCespecially given their position on the Axis of Evil listAug 13 02:38
DaemonFCI didn't say it made sense, I said they're doing itAug 13 02:38
DaemonFCyeah, Linux use is actually higher in first world countriesAug 13 02:39
DaemonFCby a factor of 2-3 or moreAug 13 02:39
DaemonFCnotice how few of the Chinese ever started using Vista?Aug 13 02:40
DaemonFCit has 4% according to StatcounterAug 13 02:40
cubevectoreven higher in FinlandAug 13 02:40
DaemonFCProbably just due to the fact that it's such a resource pigAug 13 02:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] The State of War | NYTimes editorial http://nyti.ms/8YSCWAAug 13 02:40
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cubevectorFinland might be the biggest user percentage-wiseAug 13 02:41
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/#os-FI-monthly-200907-201008Aug 13 02:41
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DaemonFC2.68%Aug 13 02:41
DaemonFCthat is fairly high for LinuxAug 13 02:41
DaemonFCquite a few OS X users tooAug 13 02:42
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/#os-RU-monthly-200907-201008Aug 13 02:43
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DaemonFCLinux and OS X are flatlined in RussiaAug 13 02:43
DaemonFCXP is still on the majority of PCs thereAug 13 02:43
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/#os-KE-monthly-200907-201008Aug 13 02:44
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DaemonFCIn Kenya, Linux actually exceeds 3%Aug 13 02:44
DaemonFChttp://gs.statcounter.com/#os-IR-monthly-200907-201008Aug 13 02:45
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DaemonFCIran, XPAug 13 02:45
DaemonFCit's fittingAug 13 02:45
DaemonFCXP is the third world OS of choiceAug 13 02:46
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 02:46
cubevectorit's not really a normal marketAug 13 02:47
DaemonFCLinux has basically been stagnant for the last decadeAug 13 02:47
DaemonFCthat's why I'm not convinced Ubuntu really is bringing in that many usersAug 13 02:47
cubevectorwith all the OEMs pumping out the doze on every machine what can you expect?Aug 13 02:47
cubevectorthe game is riggedAug 13 02:48
cubevectorthey are utter cowardsAug 13 02:48
DaemonFCright, so many people use it because they're cluelessAug 13 02:48
DaemonFCbut then other people have to use it because they have to stay compatible with what other people useAug 13 02:48
DaemonFCand it just leaves very little room for Linux to competeAug 13 02:49
cubevectorI could use MSN if I really wanted toAug 13 02:49
cubevectorcan't even remember which program though :)Aug 13 02:49
cubevectorbut I know I've done it beforeAug 13 02:49
DaemonFCMSN Explorer ftwAug 13 02:50
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DaemonFChttp://explorer.msn.com/install.htmAug 13 02:50
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DaemonFCthere you go cubevector Aug 13 02:50
DaemonFCdon't let me stop you :)Aug 13 02:50
cubevectorno thank youAug 13 02:50
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSN_ExplorerAug 13 02:51
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DaemonFChttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/24/MSN_Explorer.PNGAug 13 02:51
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DaemonFClooks 1337 to meAug 13 02:51
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 02:51
cubevectorif they ever get AROS working well that would be interestingAug 13 02:52
DaemonFChttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Msnexplorer.jpgAug 13 02:52
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DaemonFCscreenshot of cubevector's screenAug 13 02:53
*DaemonFC ducksAug 13 02:53
cubevectorI'll show you one of them:Aug 13 02:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Super panel: How WikiLeaks is changing the face of Journalism (video) http://bit.ly/cQZFGJAug 13 02:53
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cubevectorhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.comAug 13 02:54
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cubevectorI should do an update with more screen shotsAug 13 02:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] RT @charlesdavis84: WikiLeaks kills *another* 3 Afghan civilians - Oh wait, it was the US military. Never mind, nothing to see here.Aug 13 02:54
cubevectorI'm pretty much 100% anti-microsoftAug 13 02:55
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cubevectormost of the time I don't even use doze at workAug 13 02:56
DaemonFCThe year of the cubevector desktopAug 13 02:56
DaemonFCcubevector is really very user friendly if you give cubevector a chanceAug 13 02:56
cubevectorI have 5 linux machines just in this one roomAug 13 02:57
DaemonFCcubevector works with approximately have your hardware and will only eat most of your data when cubevector crashesAug 13 02:57
cubevectorI've _never_ seen the 486 crash on linuxAug 13 02:57
cubevectorbut on the other hand, it doesn't have a lot of the modern stufAug 13 02:57
DaemonFCcubevector recommends FreeBSDAug 13 02:58
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DaemonFCactually in all seriousness, FreeBSD is less troublesome provided you don't have an ATI card (no binary)Aug 13 02:59
DaemonFCtheir fork of OSS natively supports most of the stuff you only have on Linux as bolted on after the fact Pulseaudio crapAug 13 02:59
DaemonFCI'm still in disbelief that they have Pulseaudio available in the Ports treeAug 13 03:00
DaemonFCPulseaudio is there because Linux is brokenAug 13 03:00
DaemonFCit serves no purpose on BSDAug 13 03:00
Chips_B_MalroyquestionAug 13 03:00
Chips_B_Malroyis it pulseaudio that is broken, or Ubuntu's implimentation of it?Aug 13 03:01
DaemonFCbothAug 13 03:01
DaemonFCor, uhhhmAug 13 03:01
DaemonFCyesAug 13 03:01
DaemonFC:DAug 13 03:01
cubevectorhttp://maxhost.org/other/vector-desktop.pngAug 13 03:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Wow, read this ! RT @linux_at_ibm: Great overview of IBM's Worldwide Linux Strategy and what's to come http://bit.ly/dzA1TuAug 13 03:01
TechrightsBotTitle: Jean Staten Healy: IBM's Worldwide Linux Strategy | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 44.46 KBAug 13 03:01
cubevectornice and clean, with KDE 3.5.10Aug 13 03:02
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, Pulseaudio is brokenAug 13 03:02
DaemonFCand Ubuntu's Pulseaudio setup is sadistic Aug 13 03:02
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 03:02
cubevectorand no pulseaudio :)Aug 13 03:02
Chips_B_MalroyI got to work on a couple of Ubuntu computers lately for a relativeAug 13 03:02
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, Try PC-BSD if you have some time to spareAug 13 03:02
Chips_B_MalroyI think 8.10 and 9.04Aug 13 03:03
DaemonFCit's really quite simpleAug 13 03:03
Chips_B_Malroytryed to install two games in wineAug 13 03:03
Chips_B_Malroyone totally locked up the computerAug 13 03:03
DaemonFCthe Ports tree is there, but you don't really have to use it if you don't want toAug 13 03:03
DaemonFCalmost everything is available as PBI packagesAug 13 03:03
Chips_B_Malroythe other made the sound so back that sound had to be turned off to play the game, and the other game would not workAug 13 03:04
Chips_B_MalroyBut everything worked in Mepis Linux which is Debian basedAug 13 03:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Stewart "So there you have it, the Republican economic plan is to fight socialism by becoming communist": http://bit.ly/cTcxrtAug 13 03:04
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Chips_B_Malroyon the same machinesAug 13 03:04
DaemonFCPC-BSD is a pretty tightly integrated systemAug 13 03:05
Chips_B_MalroySo I figured, Ubuntu might have some problems with wineAug 13 03:05
DaemonFCthey had boxed sets of it at Frys the last time I was thereAug 13 03:05
DaemonFCyes, Ubuntu has problems with WineAug 13 03:05
DaemonFCtry running IMVUAug 13 03:06
DaemonFCwatch the kernel panicAug 13 03:06
DaemonFCthe system will just die right thereAug 13 03:06
DaemonFCno userspace program should be able to do THATAug 13 03:06
Chips_B_Malroythat is not good for newbies then, there are going to want to use a few windows games on linuxAug 13 03:06
DaemonFCnot even in WineAug 13 03:06
DaemonFCright, so Windows 7 has crashed and burned on me, maybe 3-4 times Aug 13 03:07
DaemonFCevery time it went down it was because I was trying to force feed it a Windows Vista network driverAug 13 03:07
Chips_B_MalroyI wonder if Roy has seen this site, most likely he has, but its an old resource wonder:  http://www.computergripes.com/Microsoft.htmlAug 13 03:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Gripes about Microsoft .::. Size~: 54.92 KBAug 13 03:08
DaemonFCfor a USB wifi stickAug 13 03:08
DaemonFCI've never had a regular program take down Windows 7Aug 13 03:08
cubevectorif I can't compile it, I don't use itAug 13 03:08
DaemonFCI have had a userspace program, actually several, kernel panic LinuxAug 13 03:08
voltronwcubevector: you don't use flash?Aug 13 03:08
Chips_B_Malroybig difference between Ubuntu and Windose Seven crashing on you, one is free, the other wants to be paid big bucks.Aug 13 03:09
DaemonFCand in many cases it was because they caused FGLRX to throw an exception and bailAug 13 03:09
cubevectorI avoid itAug 13 03:09
cubevectorflash sucks anywayAug 13 03:09
DaemonFCso I'm not really sure I can blame all of it on LinuxAug 13 03:09
voltronwcubevector: avoid it by not having it installed? or avoid it by not going to any web page made after 1997?Aug 13 03:09
DaemonFCFGLRX probably invalidates a lot of my Linux horror storiesAug 13 03:09
DaemonFCbecause FGLRX is a horror storyAug 13 03:09
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.computergripes.com/microsoft.old.html  they cite Robert X. Cringely a lotAug 13 03:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Old Gripes about Microsoft .::. Size~: 51.49 KBAug 13 03:10
DaemonFCI guess the moral of the story is that ATI only really cares about not crashing + performing well on WindowsAug 13 03:10
cubevectorvector has automatic flash blocking abilitiesAug 13 03:11
DaemonFCeveryone else can more or less go to hellAug 13 03:11
cubevectorI didn't install flash, vector did it automaticallyAug 13 03:11
cubevectorso I just block itAug 13 03:11
DaemonFCOS X doesn't count because Apple writes those drivers under NDAAug 13 03:11
DaemonFCATI has almost nothing to do with themAug 13 03:11
Chips_B_Malroyyou can uninstall it, and install gnashAug 13 03:11
cubevectorand stuff like youtube-dl isn't hard to useAug 13 03:12
cubevectorgnash is problematicAug 13 03:12
Chips_B_MalroyI use flashblock extension in firefoxAug 13 03:13
DaemonFCActually, Microsoft has a limit on how many times something can crash before they take away your "Compatible with Windows 7" logo nowAug 13 03:13
DaemonFCat least according to Eric Raymond Aug 13 03:13
DaemonFCit would be nice if Linux could get its video driver stack in some kind of orderAug 13 03:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @mkapor: FCC must lead, not Google/Verizon, says @scrawford (former White House aide) http://bit.ly/a83gzjAug 13 03:14
DaemonFClike, if the driver crashes, your screen flickers for a second but the system doesn't go down in flamesAug 13 03:14
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DaemonFCjust a thoughtAug 13 03:15
cubevectorSAK key?Aug 13 03:15
cubevectorassuming you don't lock up due to lack of memory, you should always be able to resumeAug 13 03:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @philshapiro: How to draw a cute looking cow in Inkscape. (YouTube screencast). http://bit.ly/9Kfz5sAug 13 03:15
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Inkscape Tutorial - cute looking cow .::. Size~: 85.1 KBAug 13 03:15
cubevectorhere's my gnash problem:Aug 13 03:16
cubevectorchecking for KDE 4.x header path... configure: error: You specified building kde4, but you have kde3 installed!Aug 13 03:16
DaemonFCoh also, Linux distros don't typically bother to update DST rules when Indiana does something totally fucking stupidAug 13 03:17
DaemonFCWindows doesAug 13 03:17
DaemonFCno I can't just set the clock on Eastern timeAug 13 03:18
DaemonFCnext year, we could be on Central again in this countyAug 13 03:18
DaemonFCwheeee!Aug 13 03:18
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cubevectorok, I think I've sorted out the kde issueAug 13 03:21
DaemonFChttp://www.apple.com/itunes/Aug 13 03:21
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple - iTunes - Everything you need to be entertained. .::. Size~: 23.56 KBAug 13 03:21
DaemonFCheheAug 13 03:21
cubevectorfinally can give gnash a go tonightAug 13 03:21
DaemonFCI don't know if having Windows unable to boot or access the internet because of Crapple software is entertainingAug 13 03:22
DaemonFCbut it sure is a distractionAug 13 03:22
DaemonFC:PAug 13 03:22
DaemonFC"Social Media: As rumored, you can share “Wish Lists” to Facebook and Twitter."Aug 13 03:24
DaemonFCYes, but can I squirt cubevector?Aug 13 03:24
cubevectorno :-PAug 13 03:24
DaemonFCCan I squirt all over cubevector? Or is that just a Zune thing?Aug 13 03:24
DaemonFC:PAug 13 03:24
cubevectorthe ideal system isn't quite there yetAug 13 03:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Don't Put The Words 'Rugby' 'World' And 'Cup' Together In New Zealand, Or You Might Get Fined http://dlvr.it/3kJG5Aug 13 03:25
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DaemonFCI use Vorbis because (oddly enough for a free software  project), it works better than the competition Aug 13 03:26
DaemonFCmost free software seeks out to be hard to use, missing features, and to make you hit :q to exit Aug 13 03:26
DaemonFCB-)Aug 13 03:26
DaemonFCwhen I make a text editor, you're going to have to type B-) to exitAug 13 03:27
DaemonFCjust because I can fucking make you type B-) to exitAug 13 03:27
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 03:27
cubevectorDaemonFC, I have an idea for youAug 13 03:27
cubevectorwhy don't you learn APL?Aug 13 03:27
cubevector;-)Aug 13 03:27
DaemonFCwho the fuck thought :q to exit would be a good idea?Aug 13 03:28
DaemonFCwould that be YOUR first guess?Aug 13 03:28
cubevectorI'm used to itAug 13 03:28
cubevectoror ZZAug 13 03:28
DaemonFCnano is the only passable text editor FOSS has to offerAug 13 03:28
cubevectortotally obvious :)Aug 13 03:28
DaemonFCunless you're talking GUIAug 13 03:28
DaemonFCGedit is niceAug 13 03:29
cubevectorjust remember: ZZ top is on the way... outAug 13 03:29
DaemonFCCtrl+X, OK, I've seen that used beforeAug 13 03:29
DaemonFCit's easy to hit Ctrl+XAug 13 03:29
DaemonFCsure I want to save, yay!Aug 13 03:29
DaemonFChooray, it exited and it saved!Aug 13 03:29
DaemonFCmaybe RMS will study DOS edit.com next timeAug 13 03:30
DaemonFC:PAug 13 03:30
DaemonFCcomplete with mouse driven menusAug 13 03:30
cubevectorAPL programs are so bizarre you can't even show them in htmlAug 13 03:31
cubevectoryou have to use raster images :)Aug 13 03:31
DaemonFCI think the gratuitously bad user interface design is supposed to be like the GNU secret handshake or somethingAug 13 03:31
DaemonFConly "One of us" will figure the damned thing outAug 13 03:31
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DaemonFCI mean, they claim to want usersAug 13 03:33
DaemonFCbut they don't design user interfaces that humans can intuitively useAug 13 03:33
DaemonFCit's kind of a contradictionAug 13 03:33
DaemonFCGNOME is fairly simple, but sometimes too simpleAug 13 03:34
DaemonFCso you load KDE and it's like, 10 official ways to do everythingAug 13 03:34
DaemonFCand nothing on the command line works the same way twiceAug 13 03:34
cubevectorso what DE do you use?Aug 13 03:34
DaemonFCExplorer.exeAug 13 03:35
DaemonFClolAug 13 03:35
DaemonFCagain, PC-BSD got KDE to work wellAug 13 03:35
DaemonFCbut it took a lot of patchingAug 13 03:35
cubevectorwell KDE >= 3.5.10 for meAug 13 03:35
cubevectorit does the jobAug 13 03:35
DaemonFCnothing like the feel of a nice coherent systemAug 13 03:35
cubevectoroops, I mean KDE <= 3.5.10 :)Aug 13 03:36
DaemonFCyou're using Ubuntu with KDE TrinityAug 13 03:36
cubevectorgive vector a try DaemonFC Aug 13 03:36
DaemonFCyou two timing dual booterAug 13 03:36
DaemonFC:PAug 13 03:36
cubevectorno, this is slack with KDE 3.5.10Aug 13 03:36
cubevectornot UbuntuAug 13 03:36
DaemonFCI'd like to see a GUI on Linux where there's one way to do every basic task, but it doesn't try to castrate the preferences menuAug 13 03:37
DaemonFCKDE needs to prune their software lineupAug 13 03:38
DaemonFCa lotAug 13 03:38
cubevectoryeah it's getting bloatedAug 13 03:38
DaemonFCgetting?Aug 13 03:38
cubevectorwell I am using older KDEAug 13 03:39
cubevectorso it's not as badAug 13 03:39
DaemonFCit has so many little programs that only do one or two thingsAug 13 03:39
DaemonFCit's like barnacles Aug 13 03:39
DaemonFC:PAug 13 03:39
DaemonFChttp://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2009/357/e/4/veggie_monster_by_XCoryChidoriX.jpgAug 13 03:40
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DaemonFCCookie Monster boots into KDEAug 13 03:40
cubevectorman, gnash takes a while to compileAug 13 03:41
DaemonFCPicard on the other hand, uses GNOMEAug 13 03:42
DaemonFChttp://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp140/Mayo07J/picard-facepalm.jpgAug 13 03:42
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DaemonFChttp://thumbs2.modthesims.info/img/3/8/5/0/8/MTS2_SeparatriX_259877_rasputin.jpgAug 13 03:43
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DaemonFCTypical emacs userAug 13 03:43
DaemonFCcubevector, Vector isn't worth looking atAug 13 03:45
cubevectorwhy not?Aug 13 03:45
DaemonFCno modern OS lacks an X86-64 portAug 13 03:45
DaemonFCyou can write Vector off by the stunning absence of an X86-64 ISOAug 13 03:46
cubevectorwhat if I want to use KDE 3.5.10?Aug 13 03:48
cubevectorwhat would you suggest then?Aug 13 03:48
DaemonFCyou can compile KDE 3.5.10 for X86-64Aug 13 03:49
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 03:49
cubevectorI don't even own a X86-64 computer :)Aug 13 03:50
cubevectorplus I wouldn't mind getting off X86 Aug 13 03:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Iraq massacre eye-witness story (video) http://bit.ly/agov0IAug 13 04:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @glynmoody: E=mc2? Not on Conservapedia - http://bit.ly/dvkfid hilarious - where do they find these people?Aug 13 04:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Todays TOI ads - acer, eMachines eM305 - (Atom 450, 1.66 Ghz, 1 GB RAM, 160GB Hdd, linpus linux) Cost Rs 14,000/- ($300).Aug 13 05:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Todays TOI ads - acer, eMachines eM350 - (Atom 450, 1.66 Ghz, 1 GB RAM, 160GB Hdd, linpus linux) Cost Rs 14,000/- ($300).Aug 13 05:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Been having a blast recording 'Nightmares By Design' for the last two days. Thanks to everyone who has tuned in - see you tomorrow! :-)Aug 13 05:56
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Shame on #Oracle for suing #Google over #Java #patent infringement by the open #Android SDK. Both are OFE members ( http://bit.ly/aFnoeu ).Aug 13 06:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] A lawyer affiliated with the FSF Europe supported #Oracle 's takeover of Sun, said that O would be a safe home for Sun's patents. I opposed.Aug 13 06:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Emo cows feel your pain too - http://is.gd/eftYv #comedyAug 13 06:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] T-Minus Four Days To Maiden - http://is.gd/efu4d - itching to give this a spin. :-) #ironmaidenAug 13 06:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] French Court Orders ISPs To Block Gambling Websites http://dlvr.it/3kb0KAug 13 06:27
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cubevectoris coreutils kernel independent?Aug 13 06:43
MinceR043012 < DaemonFC> it has so many little programs that only do one or two thingsAug 13 06:49
MinceRsounds like he hasn't heard of unixAug 13 06:49
cubevectormost people have drifted away from the text based command lineAug 13 06:52
cubevectornot me, probably not you, but most peopleAug 13 06:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #US society has maturity of a child; 'old' #Europe that of an adult, long ago survived childhood. Also explains why they cannot communicate.Aug 13 06:54
cubevectorit's a different landscape for non-programmersAug 13 06:54
tessierhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20013546-265.htmlAug 13 06:57
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tessierOne of many reasons why I have always been suspicious of JavaAug 13 06:58
MinceRso java is going to be the same trap as .net now?Aug 13 07:00
MinceRtime to jump shipAug 13 07:00
cubevectorno java on AROS :)Aug 13 07:01
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tessieroh wowAug 13 07:05
tessierMorrison and Forrestor are the lawyers suing Google for OracleAug 13 07:06
tessierAnd what is their domain name? mofo.com !Aug 13 07:06
tessierThat is awesomeAug 13 07:06
MinceR:>Aug 13 07:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] #severedfifth In One Tweet: http://bit.ly/2ArAyt http://bit.ly/9krvZm http://bit.ly/4nJmbr http://bit.ly/9AjYod http://is.gd/efx7jAug 13 07:09
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Diablo-D3tessier: ...Aug 13 07:09
Diablo-D3I would hire them.Aug 13 07:09
Diablo-D3just based on that domainAug 13 07:10
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Diablo-D3they seem to keep that sense of humor on their websiteAug 13 07:11
Diablo-D3niftyAug 13 07:11
Diablo-D3too bad its flashAug 13 07:11
Diablo-D3I could do all of that trivially in jsAug 13 07:11
schestowitzGroklaw has a lot written about MoFoAug 13 07:15
schestowitzMoFiaAug 13 07:15
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] ‘John Doe’ Who Fought FBI Spying Freed From Gag Order After 6 Years http://ur1.ca/13rccAug 13 07:18
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schestowitz"Tech companies pressured the Nasdaq, with chipmakers Intel Corp  and Advanced Micro Devices Inc  falling on analysts' downgrades, while Novell Inc  dropped a day after cutting its third-quarter revenue outlook."Aug 13 07:25
schestowitzI think Novell struggles to find good buyers, stillAug 13 07:25
schestowitzhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2012580007_apusearnsnovell.htmlAug 13 07:26
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schestowitzhttp://www.zacks.com/stock/news/38532/Novell+Lowers+3Q+RevenuesAug 13 07:26
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schestowitzBoycott Novell has been mostly a successAug 13 07:26
schestowitzRed Hat et al do well, Novell suffersAug 13 07:26
Diablo-D3I agreeAug 13 07:26
Diablo-D3although its a fair bit of trolling on your partAug 13 07:27
schestowitzTrolling is differentAug 13 07:27
schestowitzIf you stick to facts and do it in your own platform, then it's not trollingAug 13 07:28
schestowitzI didn't invade Novell's digital property. Nobody forced anyone to visit the site.Aug 13 07:28
Diablo-D3it really is trollingAug 13 07:28
Diablo-D3but dont get me wrongAug 13 07:28
Diablo-D3trolling doesnt have to be negativeAug 13 07:29
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/googles-android-fork-defended-debated-dissected-again/7067Aug 13 07:29
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: the definition of Internet trolling is differentAug 13 07:30
schestowitzWriting my opinion in my site is expression of opinionAug 13 07:30
schestowitzNot intended to flame or provokeAug 13 07:30
Diablo-D3making an entire website to hound a company for being a bunch of fuckups is trolling in my bookAug 13 07:30
schestowitzSo sites against wal-mart (explaining their harms) are trolls too?Aug 13 07:32
schestowitzIs Groklaw a trolling site against SCO?Aug 13 07:33
Diablo-D3yupAug 13 07:33
MinceRgroklaw is a crApple fansiteAug 13 07:33
Diablo-D3groklaw are trollsAug 13 07:33
Diablo-D3good trolls, mind youAug 13 07:33
schestowitzIs ZDNet a trolling site against human brain?Aug 13 07:33
MinceRlolAug 13 07:33
Diablo-D3schestowitz: zdnet isnt clever about it thoughAug 13 07:33
Diablo-D3zdnet just brute force kills brain cellsAug 13 07:33
schestowitzIt craps on Google NewsAug 13 07:33
schestowitzShoving 'opinions' from armshair propietarists into the feedAug 13 07:34
schestowitzDiluting the signal with items like "WIndows 7 will kick Linux to the curb"Aug 13 07:34
schestowitzhttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/91e60354-a487-11df-abf7-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F91e60354-a487-11df-abf7-00144feabdc0.html&_i_referer=Aug 13 07:35
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schestowitzGreenspan is the king..... of clownsAug 13 07:35
Diablo-D3greenspan isnt so bad reallyAug 13 07:35
schestowitz"US stocks pared losses after the Federal Reserve said it would buy five- and 10-year Treasuries to try to support the fragile economic recovery but remained down for the day."Aug 13 07:35
Diablo-D3its the people who came before him that fucked upAug 13 07:35
Diablo-D3like, the big mortgage meltdown?Aug 13 07:35
Diablo-D3it would have never happened if the post-WW2 thunk of the US government was that ALL americans should own their own homeAug 13 07:36
schestowitzWhy?Aug 13 07:36
Diablo-D3greenspan inherited that way of thoughtAug 13 07:36
schestowitzBuy firstAug 13 07:36
schestowitzThink laterAug 13 07:36
schestowitz"everyone's doin it!"Aug 13 07:36
Diablo-D3he didnt think there was an issue until it was too late.Aug 13 07:36
Diablo-D3so I dont blame him for thatAug 13 07:36
Diablo-D3he wasnt part of the people who decided to do it in the first placeAug 13 07:37
Diablo-D3it only BECAME a strong issue until his way outAug 13 07:37
Diablo-D3the nail in the coffin, however, was this fucking debt selling shit GS startedAug 13 07:37
Diablo-D3which they figured out it'd blow up too, and they quit their own practice of itAug 13 07:37
Diablo-D3but no one noticed GS left that market, and they kept doing itAug 13 07:38
Diablo-D3where they == ML and whoever elseAug 13 07:38
schestowitzAug 13 07:38
schestowitz[07:37] <Diablo-D3> the nail in the coffin, however, was this fucking debt selling shit GS startedAug 13 07:38
schestowitzWhose coffin?Aug 13 07:38
schestowitzGS?Aug 13 07:38
schestowitz:-)Aug 13 07:38
Diablo-D3schestowitz: no, mortgages and home ownershipAug 13 07:38
Diablo-D3the US government accidently inflated the value of homesAug 13 07:39
Diablo-D3and I do really mean accidentlyAug 13 07:39
Diablo-D3if I went back 50 years and told them this could happen, they probably wouldnt even believe meAug 13 07:39
schestowitzChina owns US homes :-SAug 13 07:39
Diablo-D3whats the chances of people speculating on property so hard that the bubble would inflate this hardAug 13 07:39
Diablo-D3schestowitz: well noAug 13 07:39
schestowitzAll your bases are belong to YingAug 13 07:39
Diablo-D3China owns one third of the US debt.Aug 13 07:40
Diablo-D3Japan and Europe combined own another thirdAug 13 07:40
Diablo-D3the US people ourselves own the last third.Aug 13 07:40
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Diablo-D3remember, people forget what debt really isAug 13 07:40
Diablo-D3its federal treasury bonds.Aug 13 07:40
Diablo-D3they owe someone that they have to eventually pay bckAug 13 07:40
Diablo-D3its no different than an investment in a companyAug 13 07:40
schestowitzOh, well... your grandchildren will pay backAug 13 07:41
schestowitzJust make sure you produce many of hemAug 13 07:41
schestowitz*themAug 13 07:41
schestowitzBeing able to pay back relies on expansionAug 13 07:41
Diablo-D3schestowitz: you look at it the wrong wayAug 13 07:42
Diablo-D3China made a very smart investmentAug 13 07:42
Diablo-D3they got treasury bonds cheaplyAug 13 07:42
Diablo-D3Im envious of them, reallyAug 13 07:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Just came to know abt CPSR (Computer Professionals for social responsibility) mailing lists - http://lists.cpsr.org/lists/lists/DiscussionsAug 13 07:43
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schestowitzWell, China is _hiring_Aug 13 07:44
Diablo-D3schestowitz: seriously thoughAug 13 07:44
Diablo-D3you know how stock works, right/Aug 13 07:44
Diablo-D3treasury bonds are just like stock for a government.Aug 13 07:44
schestowitzWhereas the US is firing now... and can't keep paying baby boomers and also folks on the 'welfare tit'Aug 13 07:44
Diablo-D3and noAug 13 07:44
Diablo-D3we're no longer firingAug 13 07:44
Diablo-D3we're breaking even nowAug 13 07:45
schestowitzYou do actuallyAug 13 07:45
schestowitzDepends what you measureAug 13 07:45
Diablo-D3people are now quitting their jobs for better onesAug 13 07:45
schestowitzSome people gave upAug 13 07:45
Diablo-D3so the usual churn is now picking upAug 13 07:45
Diablo-D3schestowitz: btw, people arent giving up yetAug 13 07:45
Diablo-D3congress keeps extending benefitsAug 13 07:45
schestowitzNot based on what I see.Aug 13 07:46
schestowitzOr read ratherAug 13 07:46
Diablo-D3as long as they collect benefits, they're countedAug 13 07:46
schestowitzhttp://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/wall-street-regains-some-ground-after-fed-remarks/a421312Aug 13 07:47
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schestowitz"Aug 13 07:47
schestowitzWall Street regains some ground after Fed remarksAug 13 07:47
schestowitz    * FTSE 100Aug 13 07:47
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cubevectorhuh, this nvidia card is getting very hotAug 13 07:49
cubevectorhmmmAug 13 07:49
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schestowitz"In earnings news, MBIA surged 4.5% after it registered a 45% jump in earnings in the second quarter. Software manufacturer Novell plunged 3.2% after it cut its third- quarter revenue outlook. Best Buy, the electricals retailer, fell 2.8% after Goldman Sachs cut its rating from “buy” to “neutral”."Aug 13 07:50
cubevectorDiablo-D3, do all modern video cards get very warm?Aug 13 07:50
cubevectorthis seems a bit abnormalAug 13 07:51
cubevectorbrbAug 13 07:51
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Diablo-D3schestowitz: yeah, I dont care about wall streetAug 13 07:51
Diablo-D3the Fed remarks are actually disturbingAug 13 07:51
Diablo-D3they realized what I said awhile backAug 13 07:51
Diablo-D3you cant print money and expect shit to work well in the long termAug 13 07:52
Diablo-D3they can nominally deflate the current to correct over the next decade thoughAug 13 07:52
Diablo-D3so Im not entirely worriedAug 13 07:52
Diablo-D3by nominally, I mean the US currency inflates at controlled levels to reflect the economic output, ie, GDP of the USAug 13 07:53
Diablo-D3in terms of the population growthAug 13 07:53
schestowitzDollar at long-term low vs YenAug 13 07:53
Diablo-D3ergo, having below normal inflation is actually deflation.Aug 13 07:53
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Diablo-D3this can be done by slowly moving the Fed rate up beyond historical levelsAug 13 07:53
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Diablo-D3now, dont get me wrongAug 13 07:54
Diablo-D3I find the Fed disgusting and largely unconstitutionalAug 13 07:54
Diablo-D3but even the Fed knows not to overplay their handAug 13 07:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Oracle sues Google over Android http://is.gd/efzFP #Thelarry helping #TheSteve? #java #swpat #failAug 13 07:56
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schestowitzDiablo-D3: blame Obama :-)Aug 13 07:57
schestowitzLike Beck and the GangAug 13 07:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer Oracle sues Google over Android http://is.gd/efzFP #Thelarry helping #TheSteve? #java #swpat #failAug 13 07:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Johnathan Schwartz nice words on SUN not using JAVA patents against Open Source etc. are now officially denied by Oracle: http://is.gd/efzFPAug 13 07:59
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer haven't looked deeply into it yet. Any simple explanation?Aug 13 08:01
Diablo-D3schestowitz: lolAug 13 08:03
Diablo-D3its up to the point that we have to start blaming people who are already dead.Aug 13 08:04
schestowitzWhoaAug 13 08:05
schestowitzTechrights is among top Google results for "gartner group"Aug 13 08:05
schestowitzWas #5 for "novell"Aug 13 08:05
schestowitz[08:04] <Diablo-D3> its up to the point that we have to start blaming people who are already dead.Aug 13 08:06
schestowitzNothing wrong with thatAug 13 08:06
schestowitzWatch how "Dutch" already gets his reputation laundered in WikipediaAug 13 08:06
schestowitzNot just ConservapediaAug 13 08:06
schestowitzwatering down the scandals over timeAug 13 08:06
schestowitzLike Zinn warnedAug 13 08:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] TO : Larry Ellison (Oracle CEO) - Suggested Readings - http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.htmlAug 13 08:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya TO : Larry Ellison (Oracle CEO) - Suggested Readings - http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.htmlAug 13 08:09
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schestowitzhttp://presszoom.com/story_158504.htmlAug 13 08:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Rare Sharing of Data Leads to Progress on Alzheimer’s - http://nyti.ms/bYyueO this should be the norm, not "rare" #sharing #opendataAug 13 08:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Someone please update lug wiki with http://lug-iitd.org These Artwork - http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/ArtworkAug 13 08:37
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schestowitzhttp://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/debt-after-financial-crisis/Aug 13 08:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Apertus Project Building an Open Course Cinema Camera for Filmmakers - http://bit.ly/ceKoip "making the tools is part of the joy"Aug 13 08:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @KevinSMcArthur Now oracle is suing Google ... can we get rid of these damned #swpats already.Aug 13 08:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] RTI activist please file RTI on "sport management software" for CWG-Delhi. Huge money has been wasted to purchase it. #leaked information.Aug 13 08:44
Diablo-D3Im not sure how Oracle can do itAug 13 08:44
Diablo-D3Sun agreed to a non-revokable blanket patent agreementAug 13 08:44
Diablo-D3it applied to everything in JavaAug 13 08:45
Diablo-D3it was part of the agreement that allowed Sun to open source Java legitimatelyAug 13 08:45
schestowitzPromises are not legal contractsAug 13 08:45
oiaohmThere are  conditions.  Diablo-D3  you are not ment to make Java platform exclusive as part of the agreement.Aug 13 08:45
Diablo-D3not only that, Google's Java is based on Apache HarmonyAug 13 08:46
Diablo-D3which, theoretically, doesnt violate any patentsAug 13 08:46
oiaohmGoogle has used Sun staff.Aug 13 08:46
oiaohmEx Sun staffAug 13 08:46
Diablo-D3oiaohm: its not an issue thoughAug 13 08:47
Diablo-D3due to the fact the Android VM is radically differentAug 13 08:47
Diablo-D3its barely a Java VM at allAug 13 08:47
oiaohmEven that Harmony has been used it can be classed at tanted until proven other was.Aug 13 08:47
oiaohmLegal nightmares of aquiring staff and not using them carefully.Aug 13 08:48
Diablo-D3Oracle needs to be careful where they tread, imoAug 13 08:48
Diablo-D3Oracle was Sun's biggest java userAug 13 08:48
Diablo-D3and Oracle's biggest customers are the world's biggest java usersAug 13 08:48
Diablo-D3and Java isn't under the control of Sunacle.Aug 13 08:49
oiaohmMost java engines don't break the agreement.Aug 13 08:49
Diablo-D3most java engines arent fully functional and should be ignoredAug 13 08:49
oiaohmSo will not become effected in this mess.Aug 13 08:49
oiaohmEven standard Apache Harmony should be harmless.Aug 13 08:50
oiaohmIe its not platform targeted.Aug 13 08:50
Diablo-D3harmony I think is the second most complete publically available engineAug 13 08:50
oiaohmI would not be supprised if the issue is that androids java engine only works on android.Aug 13 08:50
Diablo-D3it doesnt, btwAug 13 08:51
Diablo-D3it should work on any linux-like OSAug 13 08:51
oiaohmIncluding all its classes.  Diablo-D3Aug 13 08:51
oiaohmNot at this stage Diablo-D3Aug 13 08:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] India's $35 tablet runs Android - http://bit.ly/a1wIVr of course, if Oracle wins, that will be the $70 tablet running Android #swpatsAug 13 08:52
oiaohmandroid uses lot of extentions that standard Linux's don't have Diablo-D3Aug 13 08:52
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Diablo-D3no, Im pretty sure people have gotten it reasonably working on normal LinuxesAug 13 08:52
Diablo-D3obviously stuff like the UI classes wont workAug 13 08:52
oiaohmWhat did ms try doing to java.Aug 13 08:52
oiaohmWindows only UI classesAug 13 08:52
Diablo-D3oiaohm: noAug 13 08:52
Diablo-D3thats not what Sun bitched aboutAug 13 08:52
Diablo-D3it was the lack of JNI Aug 13 08:52
oiaohmAnd other windows only parts.Aug 13 08:52
Diablo-D3MS substituted an wildly incompatible replacement for JNIAug 13 08:53
oiaohmJNI was the simplest target for Sun to go after to bring MS down.Aug 13 08:53
Diablo-D3JNI was the worst problemAug 13 08:53
Diablo-D3you can go pretty far in omitting parts of Java to write a Java implAug 13 08:54
Diablo-D3but MS clearly crossed the line when replacing a very core part of itAug 13 08:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Oracle/Google: the patents and the implications - http://bit.ly/bYtDxj best quick analysis I've seen so far #oracle #google #swpatsAug 13 08:55
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Diablo-D3Android, however, isn't attacking SunacleAug 13 08:55
Diablo-D3nor was it meanttoAug 13 08:55
oiaohmAnd google with androids java has also got very close if not crossed the line as well.Aug 13 08:55
Diablo-D3Google decided that JavaME wasn't appropriate, nor a full Java class library like on SEAug 13 08:55
Diablo-D3not only that, most phones greatly fail JavaME compliance anyhowAug 13 08:56
Diablo-D3so if Sunacle wants to start suing, they should sue anyone whos ever shipped a JavaME phoneAug 13 08:56
Diablo-D3since they love to botch APIs and substitute their ownAug 13 08:56
Diablo-D3oiaohm: MS's impl was written from scratch btwAug 13 08:57
Diablo-D3Dalvik wasntAug 13 08:57
Diablo-D3the class library and a tiny bit of Dalvik itself are from harmonyAug 13 08:58
Diablo-D3and harmony passes sun's TCKAug 13 08:58
oiaohmAlso rememember openjdk release is GPLv2Aug 13 08:59
oiaohmAnd its the one with the patent protection coverage.Aug 13 08:59
Diablo-D3yeah, Iw onder why they did thatAug 13 08:59
Diablo-D3instead of v3 or CDDLAug 13 08:59
Diablo-D3oiaohm: btw, alsoAug 13 08:59
Diablo-D3dalvik DOES have a tool that translates between sun .classes and .dexAug 13 09:00
Diablo-D3since dalvik is open source, I'd love to see a lot of techniques used in that back ported when possibleAug 13 09:00
Diablo-D3but if Oracle is suing Google, thats going to make it difficultAug 13 09:01
oiaohmBig thing even after the ttranslation to .dex the GPL requirement of openjdk would remain.Aug 13 09:01
Diablo-D3I never said it wouldnt.Aug 13 09:01
oiaohmLot of android makers have enough problem releasing Linux kernel.Aug 13 09:01
Diablo-D3but dalvik is open source.Aug 13 09:01
oiaohmNow this could mean even more of the android stack would have to move under GPLAug 13 09:01
oiaohmInstead of BSDAug 13 09:02
Diablo-D3its not BSDAug 13 09:02
Diablo-D3its ASL 2.0Aug 13 09:02
Diablo-D3which has the GPLv3-like patent license.Aug 13 09:03
Diablo-D3its under the same license as harmonyAug 13 09:03
Diablo-D3and the FSF and OSI both agree that ASL 2.0 is Free Software and Open Source.Aug 13 09:03
Diablo-D3oiaohm: oh, and it gets even betterAug 13 09:04
Diablo-D3someone is working on an impl of dalvik that runs on java.Aug 13 09:04
Diablo-D3so, Oracle is not only attacking Google, a very pro open source vendor who is also pro javaAug 13 09:04
Diablo-D3but they're attacking the Apache Foundation and any project that is ASL licensed, in or out of ApacheAug 13 09:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz SUN tried to "sell" JDK to Google, didn't like Dalvik, claims it hurts JAVA. Now Oracle sues.Aug 13 09:05
Diablo-D3and they're attacking basically any open source Java projectAug 13 09:05
Diablo-D3and, vaguely, open source itselAug 13 09:05
oiaohmNo they are not.Aug 13 09:05
Diablo-D3Dalvik is ASL 2.0 licensed.Aug 13 09:05
oiaohmThey could be attacking everything that is not GPL.  Diablo-D3Aug 13 09:05
Diablo-D3its based on Harmony.Aug 13 09:05
Diablo-D3oiaohm: they they need to start at homeAug 13 09:05
oiaohmASL does not have a requirement to replease your alterations.Aug 13 09:05
Diablo-D3look at all the solaris-ware thats CDDL.Aug 13 09:05
oiaohmreplease/releaseAug 13 09:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Oracle's patent attack against Google Android raises serious questions. Example: is Java less open than C#? http://bit.ly/ahaa11Aug 13 09:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @schestowitz maybe @webmink knows more. But I am not surprised. Will be painted as "defending" JAVA by Oracle.Aug 13 09:06
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer SUN tried to "sell" JDK to Google, didn't like Dalvik, claims it hurts JAVA. Now Oracle sues. <- explanationAug 13 09:07
Diablo-D3oiaohm: then thats still an attack on ApacheAug 13 09:07
Diablo-D3since Harmony is ASL 2.0 licensed.Aug 13 09:07
oiaohmAnd sun for a long time was not happy with HarmonyAug 13 09:08
oiaohmSo they might now have the resources to force licence.Aug 13 09:09
Diablo-D3except they cant force itAug 13 09:09
Diablo-D3they decided to use the GPL, which means they're at the whim of the FSFAug 13 09:09
Diablo-D3the FSF already declared ASL 2.0 as Free SoftwareAug 13 09:09
oiaohmDoes not matter what FSF classes as free software.Aug 13 09:10
oiaohmIbm also has particular techs that to use the code must be under GPL licence and no other FSF licence will do.Aug 13 09:11
oiaohmNothing strange for  the upper end Linux companies to have key techs under GPL only.Aug 13 09:11
schestowitz*LOL* Florian is promoting C# nowAug 13 09:11
schestowitzAlong with the trolls who stalkkk me and promote c# at this momentAug 13 09:12
Diablo-D3oiaohm: exceptAug 13 09:12
Diablo-D3IBM doesnt go sue people.Aug 13 09:12
oiaohmI don't remember Apache going to sun to talk terms like GNU classpath did.  Diablo-D3Aug 13 09:12
oiaohmIBM has threated to sue developers when they talked about taking RCU out of Linux kernel.  Diablo-D3 Most developers so far have been smart.Aug 13 09:13
oiaohmIe out of Linux and removing GPL.Aug 13 09:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] And the fud goes on... http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/08/oracle-sues-google-says-android.htmlAug 13 09:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii @kgerloff FFII and FSFE should draw the appropriate conclusions from Oracle's patent aggression against FOSS. http://bit.ly/ahaa11Aug 13 09:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It seems like @fosspatents , the #Vista7 user masquarading as "FOSS", is promoting C# now. [via @ffii]Aug 13 09:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] One Open Invention Network licensee (Oracle) sues another (Google) over patents. Another #fail for the OIN. http://bit.ly/ahaa11Aug 13 09:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Righthaven Continues To Stretch The Meaning Of Copyright Law In Filing Lawsuits - http://bit.ly/cVZwMm copyright a "laughingstock"Aug 13 09:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Critical plant bank in danger - http://bit.ly/9c6RQk utter, utter insanity: if you want a symbol of humanity's greed & stupidity, this is itAug 13 09:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @glynmoody Oracle/Google: the patents and the implications - http://bit.ly/bYtDxj best quick analysis I've seen so far #oracle #googl ...Aug 13 09:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Research Claims Hackers Could Figure Out Your Smartphone Password Via Screen Smudges http://dlvr.it/3ksz8Aug 13 09:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Failure Takes Down Creative Commons Videos - http://bit.ly/byQItK to someone with a hammer... #copyright #ccAug 13 09:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] The patents in the ORCL v GOOG case are 6,125,447, 6,192,476, 5,966,702, 7,426,720, RE38,104, 6,910,205 and 6,061,520 #swpatAug 13 09:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 13/8/2010: Many New #Linux Devices, Apertus Project http://techrights.org/2010/08/13/apertus-project/Aug 13 09:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "In developing Android, Google knowingly, directly and repeatedly infringed Oracle's Java-related intellectual property." http://is.gd/efGQCAug 13 09:48
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Anyone remember this: http://is.gd/efGXa Johnathan Schwartz: "Suing a competitor typically makes them more relevant, not less."Aug 13 09:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #mustread - Schwartz on patents and open source "That's not a genie any litigator I know can put back in a bottle. "Aug 13 09:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #mustread Schwartz on SUN, patents, Open Source: "That's not a genie any litigator I know can put back in a bottle." http://is.gd/efHgoAug 13 09:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] Oracle's case against Android http://www.scribd.com/doc/35810897/Oracle-Google-ComplaintAug 13 10:13
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cubevectorthis compile is taking foreverAug 13 10:19
cubevectoroh wellAug 13 10:19
cubevectorevidently RMS's Mostly Slax uses KDE 3.5.10 as wellAug 13 10:20
MinceRRMS's as in "on RMS's laptop" or as in "endorsed by RMS"?Aug 13 10:22
MinceRand if it's Slax, does it still insist on running everything as root?Aug 13 10:22
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Lazyweb - looking for C2T KVM cable (1x) and C2T daisy chain cables (4x). Can anyone help snd send me those? It's for a good cause.Aug 13 10:23
cubevectorrecursive acronym again :)Aug 13 10:23
cubevectorplus RMS is coolAug 13 10:23
cubevectorhttp://rmsgnulinux.org/index.php?page=aboutAug 13 10:23
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Going to pick up 4x IBM x335 servers for transnational republics.Aug 13 10:24
MinceRoh, i seeAug 13 10:24
MinceRfunnyAug 13 10:24
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ‘Team Microsoft’ Uses #Oracle Action Against #Google to Promote C# http://ur1.ca/13smj #mono #swpats #spin #javaAug 13 10:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Once one understands that software is *writing*, the idea of "copying without knowing" becomes quite absurd: http://ur1.ca/13snmAug 13 10:29
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MinceRhm, there's a howto on the forum about making slax use a regular user accountAug 13 10:30
MinceRj0h0h0Aug 13 10:33
cubevectorand yet another choice, VenenuxAug 13 10:39
cubevectorwhich I've never even heard ofAug 13 10:39
cubevectorah, South American LinuxAug 13 10:40
cubevectorhmmmAug 13 10:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Downgraded Again, This Time by Jim Yin; Bill Gates Dumps Microsoft Shares http://ur1.ca/13stsAug 13 10:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Initial Thoughts on Oracle vs Google Patent Lawsuit - http://bit.ly/bA0LLF lots of interesting points from @migueldeicaza (via @rlancefield)Aug 13 11:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Failure of Microsoft’s KINect Could Kill Xbox 360 http://ur1.ca/13sya re “Say Goodbye to the Xbox Brand if Kinect Fails at Retail”Aug 13 11:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Even though not all #Android devices are truly open source, #Oracle is attacking FOSS by suing #Google. http://bit.ly/ahaa11 #javaAug 13 11:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] An #Oracle says you infringe patents, how do Europeans respond? http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/ #javaAug 13 11:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Stop Software Patents Petition .::. Size~: 14.25 KBAug 13 11:08
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Armless Chinese Man Wows Audiences By Playing Piano With Toes - http://bit.ly/96Mkb2 wonderful example of indomitabilityAug 13 11:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell, #Patent Lawyers, and #Gartner Group a Major Part of the Software Patents Problem http://ur1.ca/13u7a #novell #swpatsAug 13 11:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell, Patent Lawyers, and Gartner Group a Major Part of the Software Patents Problem | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.7 KBAug 13 11:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Novell's Sellout Options: “Private Equity-backed Company... a Publicly Traded Tech Company and a Buyout Shop.” http://ur1.ca/13vefAug 13 12:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @FOSSpatents FFII does not endorse your anti-corporate moralism but supports legal steps to reduce risks http://stopsoftwarepatents.eu/Aug 13 12:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Stop Software Patents Petition .::. Size~: 14.25 KBAug 13 12:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @FFII We're in sync that no software patents means no patent lawsuits, no patent royalties. Then why do you partner with patent aggressors?Aug 13 12:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] NASA: July 2010 — What Global Warming Looks Like - http://bit.ly/bn7Hxq WMO: "Unprecedented sequence of extreme weather events" #climateAug 13 12:16
TechrightsBotTitle: NASA reports hottest January-July on record, says that 2010 is likely to be warmest year on record and July is What Global Warming Looks Like «  Climate Progress .::. Size~: 77.43 KBAug 13 12:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Who Owns You? 20% of the Genes in Your Body are Patented - http://bit.ly/9GYN0G “You can’t patent Mount Everest; why can you patent a gene?”Aug 13 12:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Who Owns You?  20% of the Genes in Your Body are Patented (Video) | Singularity Hub .::. Size~: 56.04 KBAug 13 12:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @fosspatents FFII defends your right to code without patent threats, promotes a less-risk ecosystem for small medium-sized innovatorsAug 13 12:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell / Mono Could be Sued by #Oracle ; Taleo Puts Sun’s Former CEO and Former Novell Employee in the Board http://ur1.ca/13wr0 #swpatsAug 13 12:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Newscaster Continues To Use Twitter To Connect With Community http://dlvr.it/3l88bAug 13 12:31
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josex>> Oracle said in a statement that Google's Android system for mobile phones infringes on its patented Java technology.Aug 13 12:31
josexhttp://finance.yahoo.com/news/Oracle-sues-Google-for-patent-apf-2273762858.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=3&asset=&ccode=Aug 13 12:32
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle sues Google for patent infringement - Yahoo! Finance .::. Size~: 96.29 KBAug 13 12:32
josexschestowitz, it was only a matter of time i supposeAug 13 12:32
oiaohmYep seen already.   josex the court document is way more concerning.Aug 13 12:32
oiaohmOracle is not calling for settlement but for complete destruction of infringing code.  Aug 13 12:33
oiaohmThis could ramp up the patent cases to far more damaging events josexAug 13 12:33
josexyes, i read something like that.. makes me wonder if this would be a good case to ultimately address the "promote the progress" question and kill software patents (in the us)Aug 13 12:34
josexi hope not, but we'll have to wait and seeAug 13 12:34
oiaohmAlso the case is a good test case for orcale to find out if some its patents can apply against other virtual machine systems like .netAug 13 12:35
oiaohmSo it could turn into a blood bath before the end josexAug 13 12:35
josexbut sun and ms did massive cross license i thinkAug 13 12:35
oiaohmThey were ment to.Aug 13 12:36
josexon the surface you are right that this can open flood gatesAug 13 12:36
oiaohmI never saw it formalised.Aug 13 12:36
josexbut i just don't see foss and progress being killed by the courtsAug 13 12:36
oiaohmclosed source is a bigger risk.Aug 13 12:36
oiaohmSince call for destruction can really happen to closed source.Aug 13 12:37
josexclosed source should be at a bigger risk (promote progress angle)Aug 13 12:37
oiaohmA call for destruction against open source is very hard to pull off.Aug 13 12:37
oiaohmIf not impossible.Aug 13 12:37
josexif oracle was going after google closed bits, but i don't think that is the focusAug 13 12:37
josexi want to get a sw bilski but with a decision more convincingly against sw patsAug 13 12:38
oiaohmRemember sun offered to sell google javaAug 13 12:39
oiaohmAnd google turned it down.Aug 13 12:39
josexgoogle might be willing to settle, but long term it might not help them as they are a very large targetAug 13 12:39
oiaohmSome people at google might be feeling like a real goose right now.Aug 13 12:39
Diablo-D3oiaohm: try speaking englishAug 13 12:39
josexEnglish is capitalizedAug 13 12:40
Diablo-D3yes, but I'm rejecting capitalization of nouns.Aug 13 12:40
oiaohmExactly where was I worse than normal Diablo-D3Aug 13 12:44
Diablo-D3[07:30:43] <oiaohm> Some people at google might be feeling like a real goose right now.Aug 13 12:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @fosspatents FFII promotes an inclusive Free Information Infrastructure. We oppose #FOSS discrimination, other orgs advocate #FOSS models.Aug 13 12:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Employees and Boosters Start to Promote Proprietary Software and #FogComputing in Novell.com and ZDNet http://ur1.ca/13ybfAug 13 12:54
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell Employees and Boosters Start to Promote Proprietary Software and Fog Computing in Novell.com and ZDNet | Techrights .::. Size~: 93.38 KBAug 13 12:54
oiaohmOk that english to me.  What too australian? Diablo-D3Aug 13 12:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] But #FFII provides a #foss discussions list http://lists.ffii.org/mailman/listinfo/floss/ #freesoftwareAug 13 13:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “EPO Still Operating in a Vacuum” http://techrights.org/2010/08/13/epo-swpats-and-ecj/ #epo #swpats #eu #ECJAug 13 13:16
TechrightsBotTitle: “EPO Still Operating in a Vacuum” | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.46 KBAug 13 13:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] ...then why does he beat his wife? #ubertroll #oracleAug 13 13:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] #Oracle's #Android case quickly examined http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/?p=478 #scoracleAug 13 13:21
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle/Google: the patents and the implications | carlodaffara.conecta.it .::. Size~: 46.07 KBAug 13 13:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] RT @newsarse NEWS! If you can remember your password then it's hopelessly inadequate, warn researchers http://bit.ly/bPM9upAug 13 13:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Novell Uses @LinuxFoundation Event (LinuxCon) to Promote Proprietary Software and #FogComputing http://ur1.ca/140pv #novell #linuxAug 13 13:42
TechrightsBotTitle: Novell Uses Linux Foundation Event (LinuxCon) to Promote Proprietary Software and Fog Computing | Techrights .::. Size~: 93.15 KBAug 13 13:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer http://is.gd/efGXa Johnathan Schwartz: "Suing a competitor typically makes them more relevant, not less."Aug 13 13:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Jonathan Schwartz: How to play patent games with Steve Jobs, Bill Gates | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 129.97 KBAug 13 13:47
schestowitz[10:33] <MinceR> j0h0h0Aug 13 13:50
schestowitzThat's what she calls himAug 13 13:50
MinceR"ho"?Aug 13 13:50
schestowitznmAug 13 13:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii I'm so with you on the question of patentable subject matter. But that's not the issue. I meant your standards lobbying alongside OFE.Aug 13 13:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ffii he doesn't seem to mind so much when Microsoft sues, just saying Microsoft does not exclude like "evil IBM"Aug 13 14:02
schestowitzDiablo-D3: don't complain about people's EnglishAug 13 14:04
schestowitzIt's off topic and not helpful to the disucssionAug 13 14:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz Please get real and recognize the fact that I distinguish between failed attempts to license that go to court, and others.Aug 13 14:05
oiaohmI don't mind it schestowitz sometimes he is right and I have really screwed up.  Other cases it more local language.Aug 13 14:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] for an explanation of those last two tweets, see this: http://bit.ly/dcLuPH and please sign the petition and RT if possibleAug 13 14:06
TechrightsBotTitle: open...: Greed vs. Survival: Which Prevails? .::. Size~: 69.63 KBAug 13 14:06
Diablo-D3schestowitz: if no one knows what hes saying, then I have a right to complainAug 13 14:12
schestowitzYou can say it politelyAug 13 14:13
schestowitz[12:39] <Diablo-D3> oiaohm: try speaking englishAug 13 14:13
Diablo-D3politeness never worksAug 13 14:13
schestowitzNot trueAug 13 14:13
oiaohmI guess you don't call someone who has made a fool out of themselves a goose?  Diablo-D3   As I said english to me does pay to know were the terms end.Aug 13 14:18
Diablo-D3oiaohm: no one in the US uses terms like thatAug 13 14:19
oiaohmOther than Australian CEO's over there. Diablo-D3Aug 13 14:20
MinceRDiablo-D3: they speak english in other places besides YankeestanAug 13 14:21
Diablo-D3MinceR: they don't.Aug 13 14:21
Diablo-D3they speak something that can be easily confused for englishAug 13 14:22
MinceRthe People's Republic of Australia is one such placeAug 13 14:22
Diablo-D3but dont be fooled.Aug 13 14:22
MinceR(Airstrip One is another)Aug 13 14:22
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oiaohmUsa people also use terms we don't either.   Boy does it get interesting trying to cook from a USA receipe here.   Some worst part some of the here same name as the USA ones but are completely different.Aug 13 14:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] German Anti-Piracy Group Issues Takedown Over Video It Had No Rights To http://dlvr.it/3lKN5Aug 13 14:26
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schestowitzIs there American (US) cusine?Aug 13 14:26
schestowitzcuisine like big burgers? :-)Aug 13 14:26
MinceRsureAug 13 14:26
MinceRthick pancakes, burgersAug 13 14:26
schestowitzHeheAug 13 14:26
oiaohmSouthen food schestowitz  Lot of that is nice.Aug 13 14:26
oiaohmI say clear of the burgers and pancakesAug 13 14:27
schestowitzMinceR: I want to take the lady to the US cuisine restaurant thereAug 13 14:27
schestowitzRed wine and pancakesAug 13 14:27
schestowitzAren't pancakes just fat crepe?Aug 13 14:27
schestowitzWith molten sugar/syrup?Aug 13 14:27
MinceRsomething like that, i'm not sureAug 13 14:28
MinceRi've only had crepeAug 13 14:28
schestowitzOh, cr*Aug 13 14:28
MinceR:>Aug 13 14:28
MinceRyou crepe me out!Aug 13 14:28
schestowitzWhat happens if you eat a bad crepe?Aug 13 14:28
schestowitzIt comes outAug 13 14:28
schestowitzIt's called the same, stillAug 13 14:28
schestowitzIt's the one food that's still the same word after it goes though the digetive systemAug 13 14:29
schestowitzMaybe that's why US calls it pancakesAug 13 14:29
schestowitzThey had to rebrand itAug 13 14:29
schestowitzAnd fit like 10 on the same onesAug 13 14:29
schestowitzLike those Vista 7 burgers, which seem like an Asia/US thingAug 13 14:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #EFF Staffs Up in Patent, Copyright, and Trademark Law http://ur1.ca/143ii How timely. #swpatsAug 13 14:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Verizon and AT&T Ban BitTorrent On Wireless Networks - http://bit.ly/aYKnqL Net neutrality, what's that? #verizon #at&tAug 13 14:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] CAUT & CFS post objection to Access Copyright tariff. Represented by CIPPIC in this case. http://bit.ly/9fq4d2Aug 13 14:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Gnome ate my boyfriend! Help! " https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=626593 " Severity: critical "Aug 13 14:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #KDE strong in Europe and South America http://ur1.ca/144i5 http://ur1.ca/144i7 http://ur1.ca/144i8Aug 13 14:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Key #Linux news today (kernel) http://ur1.ca/144yb http://ur1.ca/144yd http://ur1.ca/144yfAug 13 15:00
TechrightsBotTitle:     Linux kernel report shows continued innovation. 2.6.36 coming soon #LinuxCon - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 107.99 KBAug 13 15:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] “We must learn to want less” - http://bit.ly/bU7DTE nice analysis of where we went wrong 12,000 years ago #agriculture #futureAug 13 15:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Firefox 4 a big deal http://ur1.ca/1458d http://ur1.ca/1458f run by a foundation #www #MozillaAug 13 15:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Microsoft could be a winner in Oracle's patent attack over Java - http://bit.ly/a0chry oh my word yes #oracle #google #microsoftAug 13 15:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft could be a winner in Oracle's patent attack over Java | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 118.12 KBAug 13 15:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Two Reasons Rwandan Children Don't Take XO Laptops Home - http://bit.ly/bzgbX0 unsurprising but important points #xo #rwanda #educationAug 13 15:16
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Assorted gamers' news for #linux users http://ur1.ca/14625 http://ur1.ca/1462d http://ur1.ca/1462fAug 13 15:21
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Windows enthusiast and IT administrator/consultant, informed me that he had dumped #Vista7 for #Ubuntu" http://ur1.ca/13nidAug 13 15:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Confessions of a Windows 7 to Ubuntu switcher | Betanews .::. Size~: 125.29 KBAug 13 15:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #kde default looks are improving http://ur1.ca/146h7 http://ur1.ca/146h8 http://ur1.ca/146h9Aug 13 15:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Some years ago people made a big deal out of it when they moved to #GNU #Linux and now they do it rather quietlyAug 13 15:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#Oracle bought #Sun to become a #java patent troll'-Hey Larry, you ass, watch out, we'll sink you and #Microsoft both. http://bit.ly/dx0K9SAug 13 15:32
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Video: #Android 3.0 - Gingerbread - Web API's http://tinyogg.com/watch/DCbFr/ #playoggAug 13 15:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Nothing on the #NYT has any credibility. #JustSayinAug 13 15:35
TechrightsBotTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Android 3.0 - Gingerbread - Web API's .::. Size~: 5.25 KBAug 13 15:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] News Corp. Planning New U.S. Consumer News Title On Tablets... - http://bit.ly/d5d67t probably won't be written in #HTML5 #newspapersAug 13 15:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] My weekly column on Canadian telecom complaints commish's relative anonymity & the effort kill it/narrow it http://bit.ly/bZuldiAug 13 15:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz "Windows enthusiast and IT administrator/consultant, informed me he had dumped #Vista7 for #Ubuntu" http://ur1.ca/13nidAug 13 15:42
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Packt Expands Annual Awards to Include All Open Source from @deele http://bit.ly/aKuImuAug 13 15:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 13/8/2010: #Linux 2.6.36 Sighted, #Fedora 14 Delayed http://techrights.org/2010/08/13/fedora-14-delayed/Aug 13 15:53
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 not even #NYT ads (which are more reliable than content) :-)Aug 13 16:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Up for Day 3 of the Severed Fifth 'Nightmares By Design' recording session - kicks off at 10am Pac at http://is.gd/dPC6U #severedfifthAug 13 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Greedy f*** #Murdoch claims to own the sky. http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/08/13/1242233/Rupert-Murdoch-Claims-To-Own-the-Sky-In-SkypeAug 13 16:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Oracle's First Big Move With Sun? Use Sun's Patents To Sue Google http://dlvr.it/3lTd1Aug 13 16:03
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] #Gosling about #Scoracle http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the #google #javaAug 13 16:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] StephenTotilo: "[@id_aa_carmack] is talking about #vax memory management. You know, vax memory management." #retrocomputing #ftwAug 13 16:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Any idea where to download the source code of Dalvik VM? Time to ask national courts everywhere in Europe for non-infringement #fuckoracleAug 13 16:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] Florian Mueller promotes the usage of the undefined RAND term: http://ur1.ca/149dtAug 13 16:24
TechrightsBotTitle: FOSS Patents: Oracle sues Google, says Android infringes seven Java patents (plus unspecified copyrights) .::. Size~: 58.79 KBAug 13 16:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/perlow/apples-itunes-purgatory-for-windows-there-has-to-be-a-better-way/13711Aug 13 16:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Gosling, Java's inventor, says he saw #Oracle suing Google over #Java early on. http://is.gd/eg7qbAug 13 16:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @zoobab you say RAND is undefined. I'll give you one possible definition: if Oracle had committed to it, Google wouldn't have been sued.Aug 13 16:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @mjasay: CIOs don't grok that the more they fork, the less they save w/ open source. The value is in *community* http://bit.ly/cL87v8Aug 13 16:30
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Apple's iTunes purgatory for Windows: There has to be a better way http://is.gd/eg7IQAug 13 16:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @schestowitz A #scoop means litigation against a competitor with a rather lacking legal case and an aggressive media campaignAug 13 16:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Dilbert & the journalism 'business.' http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-08-13/Aug 13 16:33
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] "SCOracle" Weaponizes Java <- And asking the question: how's OpenOffice.org doing? http://bit.ly/aK5RrQAug 13 16:35
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@johnleesandiego Grammer reasoning likely same as Gingrich. "Doesn't matter what I do, I'm special." #adultery #torture #warAug 13 16:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @schestowitz A #scoop is like a decennial zombie reality comedy, feeds news outlets and lawyers and would finally wreck the litigator...Aug 13 16:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] With so much serious news, I feel it's time to briefly consider The Kosher Guide to Imaginary Animals http://is.gd/eg8mQAug 13 16:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #FFII in More Disagreements With NoSoftwarePatents Founder, James Gosling Foresaw #Java Lawsuit http://ur1.ca/14aga #scoracle #swpatsAug 13 16:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @JeckertNY: Project Harmony Takes Aim at Open Source Contribution Agreements http://goo.gl/fb/87tOu #linuxAug 13 16:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @ExpertVoice: RT @DellInsideIT: OpenStack insights and code http://ow.ly/18yvNS #oscon #cloud #opensource #foss #oss #pythonAug 13 16:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ffii media campaign?Aug 13 16:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @FOSSpatents You cannot commit yourself to an undefined term.Aug 13 16:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] might have to start practising #PythonAug 13 16:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @sjvn Dilbert & the journalism 'business.' http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2010-08-13/Aug 13 16:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @schestowitz Indeed, a #scoop is a media campaign (which exploits the malfunctioning of a court system) based on the famous Goebbels' LawAug 13 16:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @WritersRelief: It is perfectly okay to write garbage--as long as you edit brilliantly. - C. J. CherryhAug 13 16:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @schestowitz G's Law - Repetition of allegations establishes #truth.Aug 13 16:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ffii wikipedia attribs to 19th century US http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoop_%28term%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoop_%28novel%29Aug 13 16:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @zoobab RAND isn't undefined. It's case-by-case. So one can indeed commit to the principle and then work out the details constructively.Aug 13 16:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ffii yes, but which allegation are referred to? Vs. IBM?Aug 13 16:57
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ffii IIRC, Lenin said it before himAug 13 16:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @fosspatents RANS defined loosely... reasonable and non-discriminatory (by whose judgment/tariff?)Aug 13 17:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @schestowitz #SCOop of course, the McBride world supremacy strategy (21st century)Aug 13 17:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @ffii the neocons used it to connote 9/11+IraqAug 13 17:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @schestowitz I don't say RAND is definitive in terms of specificity. Nor that it's better than abolishing #swpat but it's a good principle.Aug 13 17:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "SF has become the first city... to mandate the posting of radiation emission information beside every single phone" http://ur1.ca/14bluAug 13 17:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Patenting The Geophysical Center Of Europe? http://dlvr.it/3lbNgAug 13 17:09
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] #RAND as a principle means: no open standards, #swpat in standards, uniform feeAug 13 17:10
*DaemonFC is bleaching his teethAug 13 17:12
DaemonFC:PAug 13 17:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ffii #RAND as a principle means: no open standards, #swpat in standards, uniform feeAug 13 17:13
schestowitzDaemonFC: you need enamelAug 13 17:13
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727626/kde-desktop-integrates-webkitAug 13 17:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] "RAND as a principle" means: not outright illegal under antitrust case law, as worse as standard licensing may get, anti-open standardsAug 13 17:14
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DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/Rembrandt-005879-2-Hour-Whitening-Kit/dp/B0000DGBI2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1281715492&sr=1-1Aug 13 17:14
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DaemonFCI got one of thoseAug 13 17:14
DaemonFCI jsut got done with the first session of fourAug 13 17:15
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] French Citizen Beats Government to Trademarking #HADOPI http://ur1.ca/14byw #mafiaa #acta #sarkoAug 13 17:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@ConsiderThis1 Ah, thanks to that #Reagan quote I now understand #Obama's "anti-#war" position! #eureka #BigLieAug 13 17:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] HFRAND - humanitarian, fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory #randAug 13 17:19
DaemonFChydrogen peroxide suspended in glycerin with some form fitting mouthpiecesAug 13 17:19
DaemonFCessentiallyAug 13 17:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Is there a Richard O'Keefe fan club? There damn well should be. #fp #lisp #cs #nz #otago #prolog #erlangAug 13 17:20
schestowitzhttp://cabalamat.wordpress.com/libertongilmerton-by-election/Aug 13 17:21
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schestowitzDaemonFC: why?Aug 13 17:22
schestowitzYou don't need white teethAug 13 17:22
schestowitzYou need protected teethAug 13 17:22
schestowitzWhat's next? Silicon b0lls/Aug 13 17:22
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neighborleelolAug 13 17:23
DaemonFCobviously you wouldn't do this every dayAug 13 17:23
DaemonFCmore than once every 12 months is probably not a great ideaAug 13 17:23
schestowitzWhat for?Aug 13 17:23
schestowitzI had that done (teeth whitening) just onceAug 13 17:24
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'ISP Owner Released from Six-Year FBI Gag Order' http://is.gd/egbLyAug 13 17:24
schestowitzWaste of time and moneyAug 13 17:24
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schestowitzA few days later it wears off like tanAug 13 17:24
neighborleewatch what you eat, dont smoke, do it once if you really need to, and consider it done ;),,if you know anyone that judges you based on not white  enough teeth, they prob.aren't much of a friend to begin withAug 13 17:25
neighborleemy 2csAug 13 17:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: Your teeth don't need 'shaving', no more than your face needs it or your foreskin needs cuttingAug 13 17:25
DaemonFCyay, I used to just gargle hydrogen peroxide now and thenAug 13 17:25
schestowitzneighborlee: he smokesAug 13 17:25
neighborleeUGHAug 13 17:25
schestowitzMaybe brown/yellow teeth for DaemonFCAug 13 17:25
neighborleethats your first nasty mistakeAug 13 17:25
DaemonFCI shave at least once a dayAug 13 17:25
DaemonFCwith a straight razor Aug 13 17:25
DaemonFCand very hot waterAug 13 17:25
schestowitzat LEAST?Aug 13 17:25
DaemonFCyeah, usually twiceAug 13 17:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Richard O'Keefe: 'My biggest problem is that just about everything is interesting.' #csAug 13 17:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Richard O'Keefe: 'Being inherited upon from a great height is no fun at all.' #oop #java #smalltalkAug 13 17:26
schestowitzDoes that mean you can shave more than once a day? Aug 13 17:26
schestowitzHeheAug 13 17:26
schestowitzShaver or razor?Aug 13 17:26
schestowitzWith shaver you can at least watch TV while you're at itAug 13 17:26
DaemonFCbarber style razorAug 13 17:26
DaemonFCthe straight razor Aug 13 17:26
DaemonFCand I sharpen it once every week or soAug 13 17:26
schestowitzand a pistolAug 13 17:26
DaemonFCit cuts a lot closer than the disposable razors you get at the storeAug 13 17:27
DaemonFCelectric razors are worthlessAug 13 17:27
schestowitzHigh maintenance attention whoee ! :-)Aug 13 17:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Hey Hey Hey @twitter @twitter @twitter r r r u u u fiddling fiddling fiddling with with with RT RT RT page page page again again again?Aug 13 17:28
schestowitzShaving is a man-made activity thoughAug 13 17:28
DaemonFCright, we should all look like cave menAug 13 17:28
DaemonFCand live in cavesAug 13 17:28
DaemonFCthat way we don't contribute to global dumbing Aug 13 17:29
DaemonFCerrr, warmingAug 13 17:29
neighborleeno one is against you for shaving to avoid looking like a cave man..its just doing so more than once per day is massive overkillAug 13 17:29
neighborleenot unless your hairs are enhanced with bots or something o_0Aug 13 17:29
DaemonFCnanobots Aug 13 17:29
neighborleewhats what I saidAug 13 17:30
DaemonFCtheir sole purpose is to grow hair on my faceAug 13 17:30
neighborleethat'sAug 13 17:30
DaemonFCheheAug 13 17:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @AshevilleFM: Wanna be a radio DJ? #AshevilleFM wants to give you the chance! http://www.ashevillefm.org/node/1030 #Asheville. Tempting.Aug 13 17:30
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I was watching some more Science ChannelAug 13 17:30
DaemonFCthey were talking about a solar system only 20 light years from hereAug 13 17:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: save money and just remove it with lasers thenAug 13 17:30
DaemonFCwith two possibly life supporting planetsAug 13 17:30
DaemonFCbut one is likely to be like VenusAug 13 17:30
schestowitzSince you waste hours every month trying to fight natureAug 13 17:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@duskwynd spin always pays those who can get lies printed. So now we know the Atlantic is owned. Pulp it along with #TIME, #NYT & #NewsweekAug 13 17:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] *LOL* "...my recent posting on Microsoft's cooperative use of patents..." - FlorianAug 13 17:31
DaemonFCand one is likely to be frozen over unless there's a runaway greenhouse effectAug 13 17:31
DaemonFCwhich might make it habitable Aug 13 17:31
DaemonFCin orbit around a red dwarfAug 13 17:31
schestowitzDaemonFC: the Morgan Freedom one?Aug 13 17:31
DaemonFCnoAug 13 17:31
schestowitz*FreemanAug 13 17:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] Cui bono? @migueldeicaza Great post... raises questions on OIN and FSF/FFII shooting themselves in the footAug 13 17:32
DaemonFC20 light years is fairly close if you have a light speed drive somehow Aug 13 17:32
DaemonFCthen all you really need is a stasis pod systemAug 13 17:32
neighborleewe wont see any of that for several decades i'm bettingAug 13 17:32
DaemonFCthen you get there and the fucking place is crawling with XenomorphsAug 13 17:32
DaemonFCheheAug 13 17:32
neighborleemabye 20, but I really doubt itAug 13 17:32
neighborleeI mean our space program budget is already severely cutAug 13 17:33
neighborleeso dont count on it anytime real soonAug 13 17:33
DaemonFCI liked Aliens a lot better than AlienAug 13 17:33
DaemonFCthey were still overwhelmed and most of them diedAug 13 17:33
DaemonFCbut they fared a lot better, being heavily armed and allAug 13 17:33
DaemonFCthey manage to wipe out a lot of the Xenomorphs Aug 13 17:33
DaemonFCthe fusion reactor in the end would have finished them off if the Queen hadn't managed to get onboard the ship and lay eggsAug 13 17:34
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 17:34
DaemonFCsuperior numbers and a general disregard for life against heavily armed professional soldiers in platoon-sized regiments Aug 13 17:35
DaemonFCI wonder exactly what that was trying to sayAug 13 17:35
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VietnamAug 13 17:35
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DaemonFC*coughAug 13 17:35
neighborleeDaemonFC: prob. nothing but scaring girls so their boyfriends can snuggle themAug 13 17:36
neighborleeblah;)Aug 13 17:36
DaemonFCSilly AsiansAug 13 17:36
DaemonFCerr, AliensAug 13 17:36
DaemonFCB-)Aug 13 17:36
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/45928272 "what's petty about !fsf criticizing apple?"Aug 13 17:36
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DaemonFCnothing petty about criticizing themAug 13 17:37
DaemonFCharassing them and trespassing in their stores is pettyAug 13 17:37
DaemonFC(and illegal)Aug 13 17:37
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 17:37
DaemonFCthere's nothing wrong with criticizing someone on public property or private property that you ownAug 13 17:38
DaemonFCcriticize them on a blog that nobody is forced to read, fineAug 13 17:38
schestowitz"boycott oracle. !fsf" http://identi.ca/notice/46010164Aug 13 17:38
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DaemonFCgo and annoy them so their store can't function, not fineAug 13 17:38
DaemonFCI would have asked them to leave and then had them charged with trespassing Aug 13 17:39
DaemonFCif I had been managing one of those storesAug 13 17:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii Your "cui bono?" question could also be raised with a view to certain NGOs who partner with hypocrites on "open standards".Aug 13 17:40
DaemonFCthe problem with the religious anti-commercial software bunch is they don't jsut want to offer a choiceAug 13 17:40
DaemonFCthey want to force people to use this "free software"Aug 13 17:40
DaemonFCand they even label every popular Linux distro nonfree even if it includes nothing nonfreeAug 13 17:41
DaemonFCsimply allowing the user easy access to non-free software and telling them it's unsupported is enough to get on the FSF's fascist "non-free" listAug 13 17:42
DaemonFCthat's why I said they'd love to make an OS that can't even run nonfree software even if it's the user's choice to have itAug 13 17:42
DaemonFCand they know exactly why they need it and understand it's unsupportedAug 13 17:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] id Software Open-Sources ET, RTCW http://ur1.ca/14d9w Some of my favourite games http://ur1.ca/14d9xAug 13 17:44
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DaemonFCpeople like RMS are constitutionally incapable of being pragmaticAug 13 17:44
DaemonFCand it's what scares normal people awayAug 13 17:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Oracle is member of OIN? http://is.gd/egd2D - and http://is.gd/egdbE has a lot of Java. Maybe ORCL can clarify?Aug 13 17:45
DaemonFChe even managed to FUD OpenBSDAug 13 17:45
schestowitzHe does compromiseAug 13 17:45
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schestowitze.g. ccAug 13 17:45
DaemonFCwhich is at least as "free" as Gnewsense"Aug 13 17:45
DaemonFCand a hell of a lot more usefulAug 13 17:45
DaemonFCthere are no proprietary applications in OpenBSD, there are no nonfree kernel blobs or driversAug 13 17:46
DaemonFCthey don't do this with "freeness" as the main purpose, they do it mainly because they don't want to tolerate bugs and security problems that they are powerless to fixAug 13 17:46
DaemonFCbut being completely "free" is one of the things that OpenBSD happens to be because of that Aug 13 17:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @jwildeboer Google is too. Joined #OIN around the same timeAug 13 17:47
DaemonFCsince there's never going to be binary blobs and nonfree drivers that can be open for public fixes and scrutiny, it's in no danger of becoming nonfreeAug 13 17:47
DaemonFCbut RMS raises this red herring quit a few timesAug 13 17:47
DaemonFCas he harasses them on their own mailing listsAug 13 17:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Getting ready for Day 3 of the 'Nightmares By Design' recording - join us live at http://soc.li/EmamKzR #severedfifthAug 13 17:48
TechrightsBotTitle: Severed Fifth: Live In The Studio on USTREAM: Tune in to watch the second Severed Fifth album as it is written, recorded and produced.. Rock .::. Size~: 91.48 KBAug 13 17:48
cubevectorhmmm, openbsd still uses kde 3.5.10 tooAug 13 17:48
DaemonFCOpenBSd has also made a lot of things that Linux and other things (such as Firefox) would be severely crippled withoutAug 13 17:49
DaemonFClike OpenSSHAug 13 17:49
DaemonFCand they also researched and implemented the stack protection that GCC currently usesAug 13 17:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] De Icaza spin-doctoring the Google/Oracle mess http://is.gd/egdw7 - #medontlike suggesting Android should switch to MONO #wrongmatrix ;-)Aug 13 17:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Maybe #theLarry needs more money http://ur1.ca/14dje [PDF] #greed #scoracleAug 13 17:50
TechrightsBotTitle: Initial Thoughts on Oracle vs Google Patent Lawsuit - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 24.2 KBAug 13 17:50
DaemonFCso Linux would be useless as a secure OS without a lot of the work taken from OpenBSDAug 13 17:50
DaemonFCunless someone else wanted to pick up some nontrivial projects and accept funding from outfits like DARPAAug 13 17:50
DaemonFCthe GNU types generally wouldn't accept that kind of funding for mainly religious/political reasonsAug 13 17:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @jwildeboer @schestowitz Google and Oracle are OIN licensees, not members, but the OIN agreement stipulates non-aggression among licensees.Aug 13 17:51
DaemonFCeven if it was offered to themAug 13 17:51
cubevectorand openbsd even supports zaurusAug 13 17:51
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/node/9344Aug 13 17:51
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DaemonFCcubevector, Security related projects better serve the public interest when they are BSD licensedAug 13 17:52
DaemonFCeven if that means that proprietary software ends up using the codeAug 13 17:52
cubevectorI wonder if OpenBSD supports Radeon 9550Aug 13 17:53
DaemonFCso I can understand why they feel disgusted that RMS wants them to tie the GPL anchor to things that can benefit the greater good only under a permissive licenseAug 13 17:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Hehe. "Sorry Miguel – nice try. More luck next time." http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/?p=478Aug 13 17:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz Maybe #theLarry needs more money http://ur1.ca/14dje [PDF] #greed #scoracleAug 13 17:54
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DaemonFCcubevector, I see it this way, you want free/open protocols and file formats to be broadly adopted, right?Aug 13 17:54
DaemonFCBSD style licenseAug 13 17:54
cubevectorif I wrote anything big I'd use GPLAug 13 17:54
DaemonFCyou want security related things to be broadly and quickly adoptedAug 13 17:54
DaemonFCBSD licenseAug 13 17:54
cubevectorthe programmer decidesAug 13 17:55
DaemonFCwell, you can take the BSD licensed code and slap the GPL on it if you really wantAug 13 17:55
DaemonFCso that it's legal to tie it to a GPL's applicationAug 13 17:55
DaemonFC*GPL'dAug 13 17:55
DaemonFCor proprietary software can come along and use it, nothing wrong with thatAug 13 17:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] >@isiselin Albert Einstein, genius of quantum #physics, said his greatest discoveries were always spotted in nature //where else, possibly?!Aug 13 17:56
DaemonFCif Winamp and Foobar2000 didn't play Vorbis, then Vorbis would sufferAug 13 17:56
DaemonFCnot Microsoft or Windows or those media playersAug 13 17:56
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 17:56
DaemonFCso the BSD license for the Vorbis software lessens the friction for broad adoption of that standardAug 13 17:57
DaemonFCand it's highly unlikely that someone will fork it in a way that doesn't comply with the Xiph.org specificationsAug 13 17:57
cubevectorhmm, I have a feeling there's no 3d on radeon 9550 for the open source driverAug 13 17:57
DaemonFCthere would be no point, nothing else would play it thenAug 13 17:57
DaemonFCcubevector, There has been for some timeAug 13 17:58
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 17:58
cubevectorok, I just got a 9550 so that's good newsAug 13 17:58
DaemonFCthere's been 2d acceleration support since as far back as 2004Aug 13 17:58
DaemonFCand 3d as of at least 2006tAug 13 17:58
DaemonFCthat I know ofAug 13 17:58
cubevectorreally? hmmmAug 13 17:58
DaemonFCyeahAug 13 17:59
DaemonFCIt's a really basic card thoughAug 13 17:59
DaemonFCI think it has enough OpenGL support to run Compiz thoughAug 13 17:59
DaemonFC:PAug 13 17:59
DaemonFCas I recall, it supports DirectX 8.1 and OpenGL 1.1 in hardware Aug 13 18:00
DaemonFCI'm not completely sure though, been a while since I had the 9800Aug 13 18:00
cubevectorthat's odd because I'm looking at the source code nowAug 13 18:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/632/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=4455Aug 13 18:00
schestowitzsign itAug 13 18:00
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cubevectorand there's no mention of radeon 9550 in thereAug 13 18:00
DaemonFCmine workedAug 13 18:01
DaemonFCand had CompizAug 13 18:01
DaemonFCit's a REALLY old cardAug 13 18:01
DaemonFCyou won't even get the full functionality of Windows 98 on it :PAug 13 18:01
DaemonFCheheAug 13 18:01
cubevectorcould it be under a different name?Aug 13 18:01
DaemonFC(Windows 98 supports DirectX 9.0c)Aug 13 18:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] And another #insightful here: http://is.gd/egemr #netneutrality Ready to solve #needbeer at #arrabbiata. 't was a strange day today.Aug 13 18:02
DaemonFCpossibleAug 13 18:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Google Lawyer Again Insists They Didn't Sell Out On Neutrality - Though this same lawyer in 2007 would probably disagree - dslreports.com .::. Size~: 92.91 KBAug 13 18:02
DaemonFCthis bleaching kit only gets your front teethAug 13 18:03
DaemonFCbut as schestowitz pointed out, it has no medicinal value anywayAug 13 18:03
DaemonFCpurely cosmetic Aug 13 18:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @jwildeboer Hehe. "Sorry Miguel – nice try. More luck next time." http://carlodaffara.conecta.it/?p=478 // #oracle #java #google #greedAug 13 18:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@duskwynd spin always pays those who can get lies printed. So now we know the Atlantic is owned. Pulp it along with #TIME, #NYT & #NewsweekAug 13 18:04
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle/Google: the patents and the implications | carlodaffara.conecta.it .::. Size~: 47.05 KBAug 13 18:04
DaemonFCso just the standard whitening toothpaste on the back ones should work out just fineAug 13 18:04
DaemonFCI just don't want my teeth to look yellow/gold and grossAug 13 18:04
DaemonFCthere'll be plenty of time for that when I'm 50Aug 13 18:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@ConsiderThis1 not a very funny one. Do you think that I think [any recent] US Admin is "anti-#war"? Or #Reagan was pro-#disarmament?Aug 13 18:06
cubevectorRV350 I think is the other name for itAug 13 18:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] India threatens to suspend Blackberry by 31 August http://ur1.ca/14ec6 any govt. left which is guaranteed not to spy?Aug 13 18:07
TechrightsBotTitle: BBC News - India threatens to suspend Blackberry by 31 August .::. Size~: 52.1 KBAug 13 18:07
schestowitz[18:04] <DaemonFC> I just don't want my teeth to look yellow/gold and grossAug 13 18:07
schestowitzWhy?Aug 13 18:07
DaemonFCschestowitz, your teeth don't need to be straightened eitherAug 13 18:08
DaemonFCdid thatAug 13 18:08
schestowitzJust wear dentures thenAug 13 18:08
schestowitzAnd a wig...Aug 13 18:08
schestowitzDaemonFC: true, they don'tAug 13 18:08
DaemonFCand a few extras jutting out here and there don't medically need removal, maybeAug 13 18:08
DaemonFCbut I didAug 13 18:08
schestowitzBut we live in a society where everyone has braces, so it becomes abnormal to have gaps between teethAug 13 18:08
DaemonFCI had a couple extra teeth + wisdom teethAug 13 18:08
DaemonFCI had those all taken outAug 13 18:08
schestowitzWe make nature non-compliant with civil standardAug 13 18:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] @schestowitz yeah, the one that has privacy laws on the books and independent judiciary. #BeatsMeAug 13 18:09
schestowitzWe don't fix the genetic errorAug 13 18:09
DaemonFCwe shouldAug 13 18:09
schestowitzSo no matter how much we mess with our kids' teeth, their kids too weil still have those same gapsAug 13 18:09
DaemonFCthe master race should be born destined to have perfect teeth Aug 13 18:09
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 18:09
schestowitzSame with b00b sizeAug 13 18:09
schestowitzDaemonFC: how is that perfect?Aug 13 18:10
schestowitzFor chewing food perfect alignment might be inferiorAug 13 18:10
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schestowitzYou need to check this...Aug 13 18:10
DaemonFCschestowitz, I had my widom teeth removed on the last day I had dental insurance that would pay for itAug 13 18:10
DaemonFCthey were on their way in, and it's like a $2,500 operationAug 13 18:10
schestowitzMonsanto can start a market on humansAug 13 18:11
DaemonFCso I went ahead and had it doneAug 13 18:11
DaemonFChurt like hellAug 13 18:11
DaemonFCmy mouth was bleeding for a couple daysAug 13 18:11
cubevectorcost me $900Aug 13 18:11
DaemonFCbut it's overAug 13 18:11
cubevectorthat was over 10 years ago thoughAug 13 18:12
DaemonFCand I don't ever have to deal with them againAug 13 18:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'Why I'm Not Crying Over Lost Internet Privacy http://is.gd/egf7b by RobLimo, former /. EiC.Aug 13 18:12
TechrightsBotTitle: Why I'm Not Crying Over Lost Internet Privacy - Devx Blog .::. Size~: 40.29 KBAug 13 18:12
schestowitzMake a seed (sperm+egg) for human with straight teeth, perfect immune system, 3 meters tall, huge boobs/penis (circumcised maybe), no aggression, head twice the old size for brain capacity....Aug 13 18:12
DaemonFC3 meters = 9.84251969 feetAug 13 18:12
cubevectorsounds like a horror movie schestowitz :-PAug 13 18:12
DaemonFChmmmAug 13 18:12
DaemonFCmay be overdoing that a bitAug 13 18:12
schestowitzit can be doneAug 13 18:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @ExpertVoice: Re-reading an article I wrote in 2007. Still good: 7Things the CIO Should Know About Telecommuting http://bit.ly/bgqsDgAug 13 18:13
TechrightsBotTitle: Getting Clueful: Seven Things the CIO Should Know About Telecommuting .::. Size~: 27.81 KBAug 13 18:13
*DaemonFC is 6 feet 4 inches and towers over most humansAug 13 18:13
DaemonFC:PAug 13 18:13
schestowitzMonsanto are monstersAug 13 18:13
schestowitzThey can make some tooAug 13 18:13
cubevectorRobert Pershing Wadlow wasn't even 9 feet tall and he was the tallest everAug 13 18:13
schestowitzANd died earlyAug 13 18:13
cubevectorhe didn't live very long, yeahAug 13 18:13
schestowitzTallest man now is ChineseAug 13 18:13
DaemonFCright, enlarged heartAug 13 18:13
DaemonFCkidney failureAug 13 18:13
DaemonFCorgans can't keep up with a body that sizeAug 13 18:14
schestowitzChina is the new world leaderAug 13 18:14
schestowitz#1 in the Olympics.... coming soonAug 13 18:14
DaemonFCyou should have conquered them instead of buying tea from themAug 13 18:14
DaemonFCyou pansiesAug 13 18:14
DaemonFC:PAug 13 18:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @jensaylor: RT @imadnaffa: Stats: Median age for a Twitter user is 31 (MySpace, 26; Facebook 33; LinkedIn, 39)--- Pew, 2009Aug 13 18:15
cubevectornot in the winter olympics :)Aug 13 18:15
*schestowitz too old for median of Murdoch's zombie siteAug 13 18:15
schestowitzThe US can't pay athletes anymoreAug 13 18:16
schestowitzThey need sponsorshipAug 13 18:16
schestowitzMaybe the US will ask them to be part-time waitersAug 13 18:16
DaemonFCeven if you put the population of the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand together, it's still only a third as much as the US population Aug 13 18:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Let's hope solutions like #Sones GraphDB will make Larry Trollisons Oracle life a bit more "interesting".Aug 13 18:17
DaemonFCthey all lost already so they're cheering for us to lose as wellAug 13 18:17
DaemonFCthat's why you have an anal fixation with ChinaAug 13 18:17
DaemonFCa population "loses" when they are no longer reproducing as fast as someone else, basically Aug 13 18:17
schestowitzhttp://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/novell-revises-guidance-for-third-quarter-of-fiscal-2010-financial-results-100292649.htmlAug 13 18:19
TechrightsBotTitle:  Novell Revises Guidance for Third Quarter of Fiscal 2010 Financial Results -- WALTHAM, Mass., Aug. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- .::. Size~: 50.54 KBAug 13 18:19
schestowitzWhat's this? http://deals.venturebeat.com/2010/08/05/joyent-lands-7m-to-bring-companies-into-the-cloud/Aug 13 18:19
TechrightsBotTitle: Joyent lands $7M to bring companies into the cloud | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 46.32 KBAug 13 18:19
schestowitzThe cloud makes me nauseous, can we get off?Aug 13 18:20
DaemonFCIf you count the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Russia, Finland, Sweden, and Poland, you've almost matched the USAug 13 18:20
DaemonFCbut not quiteAug 13 18:20
DaemonFCheheAug 13 18:20
DaemonFCin populationAug 13 18:21
DaemonFCyou still need a Kazakhstan or somethingAug 13 18:21
schestowitzhttp://jkontherun.com/2010/08/05/the-android-love-continues-analyst-expects-it-to-pass-apple-by-2012/Aug 13 18:21
TechrightsBotTitle:   The Android Love Continues: Analyst Expects it to Pass Apple by 2012 .::. Size~: 82.12 KBAug 13 18:21
schestowitzJust 2012?Aug 13 18:21
DaemonFCThe British have been an island of patent trolls for a while nowAug 13 18:22
DaemonFCthe same system has been rolling out in the US for a while nowAug 13 18:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Ouch. SCSI uw320 HDs are still very expensive. Esp when you look at used ones > 150 GB.Aug 13 18:23
DaemonFCwhen a population can no longer compete in mass production, they try to "own ideas"Aug 13 18:23
DaemonFCfirst with a military, but when that fails, with "international law"Aug 13 18:23
schestowitzhttp://www.marketwire.com/press-release/ForgeRock-Joins-Open-Invention-Network-as-Licensee-1302411.htmAug 13 18:23
TechrightsBotTitle: ForgeRock Joins Open Invention Network as Licensee .::. Size~: 14.3 KBAug 13 18:23
Diablo-D3I wonder if jwildeboer understands he can just get SAS->pscsi adatapersAug 13 18:23
DaemonFCthe British military forces suffered one humiliating retreat after anotherAug 13 18:24
cubevectoropenbsd seems a lot more compact than some linux distrosAug 13 18:24
schestowitzTell him in identicaAug 13 18:24
DaemonFCsorry, strategically advancing in the opposite directionAug 13 18:24
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 18:24
DaemonFCnow they rely on international law to try to continue to be patent bulliesAug 13 18:24
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DaemonFCBritish Polluters is still going to make everything OK?Aug 13 18:27
DaemonFCCan British Polluters resurrect the marine life they wiped out?Aug 13 18:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, Did you notice the forking of OpenSolaris?Aug 13 18:28
DaemonFCthey see what Oracle is about to doAug 13 18:29
DaemonFCa few Oracle employees resigned to go work on the forkAug 13 18:29
DaemonFCthey must be really stupid to try to make Solaris proprietary againAug 13 18:29
DaemonFCthat's a genie that can't be put back in the bottleAug 13 18:29
DaemonFCthey're going to succeed in fracturing their own platformAug 13 18:30
DaemonFCand maybe killing both Solaris and "IllumOS"Aug 13 18:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] It's the 13th. It's Arrabbiata. #needbeer and #utnr are waiting for me and my x335 with C2T :-)Aug 13 18:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] More And More People Seeing How Collection Societies Have Distorted Copyright http://dlvr.it/3lkkcAug 13 18:31
TechrightsBotTitle: More And More People Seeing How Collection Societies Have Distorted Copyright | Techdirt .::. Size~: 24.32 KBAug 13 18:31
DaemonFCjust what the world needsAug 13 18:31
DaemonFCmore incompatible UNIX clonesAug 13 18:31
DaemonFC:PAug 13 18:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Cnsidrng how much of my tax $ goes to Pentagon, I thought Army might have a flak jacket to lend to visiting reporters' http://bit.ly/bTL1l7Aug 13 18:32
TechrightsBotTitle: Here Be Dragons | CommonDreams.org .::. Size~: 91.17 KBAug 13 18:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@rjurney Can you name an open source 'radical' who ever 'seemed radical'? Presumably you don't mean #RMS. (I'm very sad for #Solaris)Aug 13 18:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'sweeping in w/guns ready shatters that friendly feeling.. It probably wouldn't go over well in your hometown either' http://bit.ly/bTL1l7Aug 13 18:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Here Be Dragons | CommonDreams.org .::. Size~: 91.09 KBAug 13 18:41
Diablo-D3[01:15:12] <cubevector> openbsd seems a lot more compact than some linux distrosAug 13 18:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@rjurney I'm no more extreme than #RMS. But nice gag :)Aug 13 18:42
Diablo-D3openbsd's base install is a lot like debian'sAug 13 18:42
Diablo-D3ie, just barely enough to install enoughAug 13 18:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] Customers will be looking at this and wondering: ‘Are we next?’ http://bit.ly/a9mm4b #swpatAug 13 18:48
TechrightsBotTitle: Memo from Oracle: let's sue our way to world domination | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 127.11 KBAug 13 18:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] FM the spin doctor: "I cannot condemn such action in moral terms because it allows companies to stay in business" http://ur1.ca/14gh4Aug 13 18:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle sues Google over Android's use of Java | Mobile Devices | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 43.08 KBAug 13 18:53
DaemonFChttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/203139/microsoft_vista_paved_the_way_for_secure_windows.htmlAug 13 18:55
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft: Vista Paved the Way for Secure Windows - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 66.03 KBAug 13 18:55
DaemonFCheheAug 13 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[zoobab] @FOSSpatents Dalvik as a kernel module? Where is the source?Aug 13 18:56
DaemonFC"Unix variants such as Linux"Aug 13 18:56
schestowitzThat's what SCO says tooAug 13 18:56
schestowitzAnd Microsoft in SEC filingAug 13 18:56
schestowitzTo deceiveAug 13 18:56
DaemonFChttp://www.darkreading.com/smb-security/security/attacks/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226600381Aug 13 18:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Dark Reading | Non-Working URL .::. Size~: 31.33 KBAug 13 18:59
DaemonFC"They went after Internet Explorer, Java, and Adobe vulnerabilities on the victims' machines, which spanned Windows XP (121,000 infected machines); Windows Vista (106,000 infected machines); Windows 7 (66,000 infected machines)"Aug 13 18:59
DaemonFCSo basically, in line with the number of users on each version of WindowsAug 13 19:00
DaemonFCactually, Windows XP infections are grossly underrepresented Aug 13 19:00
DaemonFCthe ratio of infected Vista and 7 machines is higherAug 13 19:00
DaemonFChahAug 13 19:00
*DaemonFC looked at it wrong the first timeAug 13 19:01
DaemonFCWell, you can stay safe from Java by not installing JavaAug 13 19:01
DaemonFCFlash is a problemAug 13 19:01
DaemonFCso is Microsoft sneaking in plug ins into FirefoxAug 13 19:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: it was Joab Jackson who said itAug 13 19:02
schestowitzNot MicrosoftAug 13 19:02
schestowitz "Unix variants such as Linux"Aug 13 19:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I can't help thinking that #theLarry Ellitroll and #theJobs are best buddies. Who benefits from an attack on #Android - just a theory...Aug 13 19:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "allegations that #HP executives paid bribes in #Russia" - um, it would be far weirder if they *hadn't*. http://bit.ly/aTJOdiAug 13 19:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Why isn't anyone investigating the bribes that #Dell paid in #Brazil to get its factory franchise there?Aug 13 19:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Probe of Bribery at H-P Heats Up - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 135.12 KBAug 13 19:20
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45705096#notice-46056140 "it's easy, it's BASIC for the 21st century (as a BASIC user for 25 years i mean) [...] Python is gr8!!! So many things one can do with it!!! ;-)"Aug 13 19:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.01 KBAug 13 19:25
schestowitz"@schestowitz buy in paper or download free http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython/"http://identi.ca/notice/46056349Aug 13 19:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Python for Software Design: How to Think Like a Computer Scientist .::. Size~: 4.82 KBAug 13 19:26
TechrightsBotTitle: حالة menn (openuniverse) في يوم Friday, 13-Aug-10 16:58:09 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 8.32 KBAug 13 19:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Example of #blogfail http://www.opensources.com/2010/08/12/red-hat-tightens-the-screws-on-copycats/ #redhat #fudAug 13 19:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Open Sources » Red Hat tightening the screws on copycats? Updated (ugh) .::. Size~: 41.57 KBAug 13 19:30
schestowitzMac Asay failedAug 13 19:30
schestowitzWatched the cross out textAug 13 19:30
schestowitz*crossedAug 13 19:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'There's nothing good that comes out of that. You get more visibility'-On being the world's richest man // why do you hate the light, Bill?Aug 13 19:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] '#Microsoft has had clear competitors in the past. It’s a good thing we have museums to document that.' - Bill GatesAug 13 19:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] And Of Course: 'Surprising' Openness And Sharing Of Data Leads To Advancements In Alzheimer's Research http://dlvr.it/3lqZzAug 13 19:37
TechrightsBotTitle: And Of Course: 'Surprising' Openness And Sharing Of Data Leads To Advancements In Alzheimer's Research | Techdirt .::. Size~: 21.88 KBAug 13 19:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] From Tuesday: "Oracle Loves Linux" *LOL* http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7148/1/Aug 13 19:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 "Microsoft has had clear criminals in the past. It’s a good thing we have Bill Gates to document that.' - museumsAug 13 19:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] "Real" men use assembly language. Load that in to your accumulator, transfer it to your pipe and smoke it. (DeltaStar@RationalWiki)Aug 13 19:40
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/12/server_based_botnet/Aug 13 19:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Server-based botnet floods net with brutish SSH attacks • The Register .::. Size~: 26.3 KBAug 13 19:43
schestowitzThey make it sound like weak password chosen by admins (not default) are newsAug 13 19:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Journalism Warning Labels - http://bit.ly/9jZwCf funny and true #journalismAug 13 19:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Journalism Warning Labels « Tom Scott .::. Size~: 10.04 KBAug 13 19:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @fosspatents Doesn't it look rather hypocrite to attack an institutional spearhead of open standard policies?Aug 13 19:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It looks like cbronline.com has finally dumped WIndows+ASP.NET after many issues lasting for years. UNIX/Linux now... case sensitive.Aug 13 19:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz @qu1j0t3 "Microsoft has had clear criminals in the past. It’s a good thing we have Bill Gates to document that.' - museumsAug 13 19:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Journalism Warning Labels - http://bit.ly/9jZwCf funny and true #journalism > brilliant! And true.Aug 13 19:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @ffii Whom do you mean by "institutional spearhead of open standard policies"?Aug 13 19:50
TechrightsBotTitle: Journalism Warning Labels « Tom Scott .::. Size~: 10.04 KBAug 13 19:50
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Open source already used in 80% of corporates http://ur1.ca/14jjq Devoid the stereotypesAug 13 19:52
TechrightsBotTitle: Open source already used in 80% of corporates - Inside Outsourcing .::. Size~: 31.55 KBAug 13 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Open Source Wheelchair Design Aids Disabled in Developing Nations - http://bit.ly/cJM2VO the power of collaboration #wheelchairsAug 13 19:53
TechrightsBotTitle:  Open Source Wheelchair Design Aids Disabled in Developing Nations  .::. Size~: 37.39 KBAug 13 19:53
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Oracle-Google Mess: Are Any of the Patents Tied to a Specific Machine? - http://bit.ly/bhjDGY interesting post-Bilski question #oracleAug 13 19:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Groklaw -  The Oracle-Google Mess: A Question - Are Any of the Patents Tied to a Specific Machine? .::. Size~: 57.59 KBAug 13 19:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Larry Ellison: "That's why Apple's iPhone is so much better than Microsoft phones." > what phone does Ellison carry? Can't find out...Aug 13 19:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison "His friend Steve Jobs (CEO of Apple, Inc) was the official wedding photographer."Aug 13 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody After Bilski there's no reasonable doubt that those Oracle patents cannot be invalidated *on grounds of subject matter*.Aug 13 19:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Larry Ellison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 76.17 KBAug 13 19:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Tea Party Hates Net Neutrality Because It’s An ‘Affront’ To Free Speech - http://tcrn.ch/aA7iwC lack of tech savvy causes such nonsenseAug 13 20:02
TechrightsBotTitle:   The Tea Party Hates Net Neutrality Because Its An Affront To Free Speech. Umm&  .::. Size~: 32.67 KBAug 13 20:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents but PJ's point is that the machine question is still there in the background, I thinkAug 13 20:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody The SCOTUS ruled that even the machine-or-transformation test as an exclusive test for patentability is too restrictive.Aug 13 20:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody In order to do away with software patents, you'd have needed something even stricter than MoT. But less strict, no way. Forget PJAug 13 20:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @glynmoody Verizon and AT&T Ban BitTorrent On Wireless Networks - http://bit.ly/aYKnqL Net neutrality, what's that? #verizon #at&tAug 13 20:08
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DaemonFCwell, the whitening gel did workAug 13 20:09
DaemonFChmmmAug 13 20:09
DaemonFCif AT&T bans bittorrent on my DSL account, I'll cancel my service Aug 13 20:10
DaemonFCI can kind of sympathize with them on wireless networksAug 13 20:10
DaemonFCas the service is much more difficult to provide and bandwidth in general is more constrained Aug 13 20:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents no, it said: "although that test may be a useful and important clue or investigative tool, it is not the sole test"Aug 13 20:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody And that means: MoT no self-sufficient to throw out a patent application. The SCOTUS considered it too hard on applicants.Aug 13 20:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 13/8/2010: #Linux Winning, #EnemyTerritory and Return To Castle #Wolfenstein Become #FreeSoftware http://ur1.ca/14l93Aug 13 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] An open letter to my longtime friend Google - http://bit.ly/cNuK9N which suddenly finds itself in *need* of friends today... #oracle #googleAug 13 20:29
TechrightsBotTitle: Links 13/8/2010: Linux Winning, Enemy Territory and Return To Castle Wolfenstein Become Free Software | Techrights .::. Size~: 120.56 KBAug 13 20:29
TechrightsBotTitle: An open letter to my longtime friend Google | opensource.com .::. Size~: 42.41 KBAug 13 20:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody If you read the entire decision, you can see that the SCOTUS majority meant: even if app fails MoT, must get *another* chance.Aug 13 20:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents but it didn't say the machine test was now irrelevantAug 13 20:32
DaemonFClolAug 13 20:35
DaemonFCLinux is a more important platform for id Software than the MacAug 13 20:35
DaemonFCwell, that's something I guessAug 13 20:36
DaemonFChttp://www.linuxgames.com/archives/15619Aug 13 20:36
TechrightsBotTitle: LinuxGames - Embrace your inner penguin .::. Size~: 20.92 KBAug 13 20:36
DaemonFC2:35: Says he uses Linux on his rocket work but that he’s disappointed by Linux desktopsAug 13 20:36
DaemonFC2:35: talks about how there’s a lack of “give a damn about user experience” on themAug 13 20:36
DaemonFC-John CarmackAug 13 20:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody This is SCOTUS logic: An app passes MoT, then it's very likely patentable. But even if an app fails, it must get more chances.Aug 13 20:37
DaemonFC"At their heart and core they're not really a game-friendly company." - Carmack on Apple Aug 13 20:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody Legal tests can justify outright rejection, or outright grant, or like MoT serve as (strong) *indication* for one or the other.Aug 13 20:39
DaemonFC"Says there are 80+ milliseconds of delay when you drag your finger on the ipad when it is running the Rage demo, and that kind of thing makes him believe that there is room for improvement in their engineering."Aug 13 20:39
DaemonFClolAug 13 20:39
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] There are so many bugs in #weechat's #autotools setup it's not funny. Either do it right, or not at all (yes I know there are #CMake files).Aug 13 20:40
DaemonFChe goes on to talk about how running a game properly on the iphone kills the batteryAug 13 20:40
DaemonFCso he'll have his games running at 30 fps to try to minimize thatAug 13 20:40
DaemonFC:PAug 13 20:40
DaemonFCschestowitz, Speaking of games, I almost bought a copy of Command & Conquer 4 at WalmartAug 13 20:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents fine; I wasn't arguing that PJ's point was decisive, just interesting. there are far bigger issues here - article to come...Aug 13 20:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Google vs. Google On Wireless Net Neutrality http://dlvr.it/3lwqYAug 13 20:42
TechrightsBotTitle: Google vs. Google On Wireless Net Neutrality | Techdirt .::. Size~: 24.17 KBAug 13 20:42
DaemonFCwhat stopped me is that the box said you need to be online and have the disc in the drive to play the single player campaigns Aug 13 20:42
DaemonFCwhich is just retardedAug 13 20:42
DaemonFCIf I'm still going to have to crack the damned thing after BUYING it to make it work the way it should, why buy it?Aug 13 20:42
DaemonFCEA is pissing off a lot of their most dependable customers Aug 13 20:43
DaemonFCincluding meAug 13 20:43
*Balzac is now known as squarepegAug 13 20:43
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] RT @hynek_pichi @guardiantech: Florence Nightingale, datajournalist: #information has always been beautiful http://bit.ly/alaFU6 cc @rjurneyAug 13 20:44
TechrightsBotTitle:  Florence Nightingale, datajournalist: information has always been beautiful | News | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 106.18 KBAug 13 20:44
DaemonFCthey don't want my money, so to hell with themAug 13 20:45
DaemonFCthey don't need to be rewarded for stupidityAug 13 20:45
DaemonFCI bought almost every single one of their games before this stupid DRM crap took overAug 13 20:46
DaemonFCnow it's more likely to work right if I just grab a copy off the pirate bayAug 13 20:46
DaemonFCso right, the DRM chases all their customers away then they'll bitch and moan and complain that the lost sales are obviously due to piracyAug 13 20:47
DaemonFCit's that kind of arrogant circular logic that is killing their companyAug 13 20:47
DaemonFCMost companies, in my opinion, are totally missing the point that the pirated version of their software is something that the retail version has to compete with. And the way to compete with pirated software is not to make the retail version more of a pain in the ass that definitely will malfunction and hose the user's system with your company's spyware.Aug 13 20:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] @glynmoody I agree there's bigger issues. I just tried (which is hard on Twitter) to explain the legal logic of the Bilski ruling WRT tests.Aug 13 20:49
DaemonFCThey should be coming up with ways to add value to the product for those who pay for it, not make the pirated version superior to theirsAug 13 20:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @FOSSpatents yes, Twitter is probably the worst medium imaginable for that...Aug 13 20:52
Diablo-D3http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/08/13/1850232/The-Future-of-OpenSolaris-Revealed?from=rssAug 13 20:53
Diablo-D3derpAug 13 20:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot News Story | The Future of OpenSolaris Revealed .::. Size~: 116.98 KBAug 13 20:53
DaemonFCschestowitz, Speaking of DRM....Aug 13 20:54
DaemonFCWhatever became of FailReady?Aug 13 20:54
DaemonFC:PAug 13 20:54
Diablo-D3ehAug 13 20:55
Diablo-D3half false alarmAug 13 20:55
Diablo-D3they are no longer publishing opensolaris as a distro of solarisAug 13 20:55
Diablo-D3they're only shipping solaris, their enterprise product, from now onAug 13 20:56
DaemonFCPlaysForNow/FailsForSureAug 13 20:56
Diablo-D3for those who dont know, opensolaris is to fedora as solaris is to redhatAug 13 20:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Is this Bismark's "art of the possible"? http://bit.ly/c03Tk2Aug 13 20:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Google Public Policy Blog: Facts about our network neutrality policy proposal .::. Size~: 307.46 KBAug 13 20:57
Diablo-D3its also very apparent illumos knew about this ahead of timeAug 13 20:58
DaemonFCnot trueAug 13 20:58
DaemonFCFedora never depended on closed source compiler tools in its build chainAug 13 20:59
DaemonFCOpenSolaris doesAug 13 20:59
DaemonFCFedora doesn't include proprietary softwareAug 13 20:59
DaemonFCOpenSolaris doesAug 13 20:59
DaemonFCthe free software parts of OpenSolaris are not enough to build itAug 13 21:00
DaemonFCand not enough to actually make it runAug 13 21:00
DaemonFCthe ex-Oracle guys that left to work on IllumOS mentioned how many non-free things they were in the process of trying to replace to make their OpenSolaris fork useful with only free software includedAug 13 21:01
DaemonFCSolaris/OpenSolaris is very stable, it seems fairly secure, it performs decently, and it has a great file systemAug 13 21:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] #awesome movie by Anusha Rizvi , Peepli [Live]. #must watch movie.Aug 13 21:03
DaemonFCtheir biggest problem is that most *nix stuff is targeted to LinuxAug 13 21:03
DaemonFCand is not really a valid POSIX applicationAug 13 21:03
DaemonFCor if it is, it's something like Flash which has no source code available (or something even more important)Aug 13 21:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Friday the 13th, Part II: Oracle Officially Ends OpenSolaris http://bit.ly/9G2uQA from @TheTechScribeAug 13 21:04
TechrightsBotTitle: Friday the 13th, Part II: Oracle Officially Ends OpenSolaris | ITworld .::. Size~: 80.21 KBAug 13 21:04
DaemonFCFreeBSD had this problem, but their Linux system call emulation is now good enough that it's usually directly compatible with Linux binariesAug 13 21:04
DaemonFCSolaris never really had an easy way to deal with Linux crapAug 13 21:04
DaemonFCaside from installing Linux inside SolarisAug 13 21:04
DaemonFC:PAug 13 21:04
DaemonFCgenerally, the platform that requires the least effort to make it work wins the popularity contest Aug 13 21:05
DaemonFCeven if it's not strictly the bestAug 13 21:05
Diablo-D3http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvkJXSzzKlAAug 13 21:06
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Ving Rhames Interview .::. Size~: 98.04 KBAug 13 21:06
Diablo-D3what.Aug 13 21:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Apple Benefits From Oracle’s Patent Attack on #Android http://ur1.ca/14n3t Just a theory, maybe a factorAug 13 21:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Apple Benefits From Oracles Patent Attack on Android | Techrights .::. Size~: 97.06 KBAug 13 21:07
DaemonFCMicrosoft benefits from the patent attack tooAug 13 21:08
DaemonFCOracle is attacking GoogleAug 13 21:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] RT @bsookman: SOCAN seeks leave to Supreme Court on whether an online preview is a fair dealing http://goo.gl/fb/ZaXzJAug 13 21:09
DaemonFCand AndroidAug 13 21:09
TechrightsBotTitle: SOCAN seeks leave to Supreme Court on whether an online preview is a fair dealing | Barry Sookman .::. Size~: 46.43 KBAug 13 21:09
DaemonFCso basically, I used to use this tactic in DOOM all the timeAug 13 21:09
DaemonFCget the monsters pissed at each other and let them kill each otherAug 13 21:09
DaemonFCthen run in and mop up whatever's leftAug 13 21:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Friday the 13th, Part II: Oracle Officially Ends OpenSolaris - http://bit.ly/awoIF5 Oracle trying to tell us something? (via @sjvn) #oracleAug 13 21:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Friday the 13th, Part II: Oracle Officially Ends OpenSolaris | ITworld .::. Size~: 80.21 KBAug 13 21:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Oracle vs. Google over Java in Android is only the start. http://bit.ly/bHSwQX Any open-source #Java company should be worried. #OracleAug 13 21:16
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle vs. Google over Java in Android is only the start. - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 63.02 KBAug 13 21:16
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] It seems like Oracle's lawsuit has had many Novell employees attack me today. They should focus on Oracle, not people. #mono #novell #swpatsAug 13 21:18
DaemonFCschestowitz, A lot of Ubuntu is fauxpen sourceAug 13 21:18
DaemonFCwhy feed them?Aug 13 21:18
DaemonFCthey make the client side software GPL or whatever even though it's useless without the FogAug 13 21:19
schestowitz[20:09] <DaemonFC> well, the whitening gel did workAug 13 21:21
schestowitzWhat next?Aug 13 21:21
schestowitzGetting your nails done?Aug 13 21:21
schestowitzYou could spend time & money doing other things :-)Aug 13 21:21
schestowitzMadame Farmer...Aug 13 21:22
DaemonFCheheAug 13 21:27
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DaemonFCI also hit them with hydrogen peroxide solution a few timesAug 13 21:27
DaemonFCand finished off with whitening tootpasteAug 13 21:27
DaemonFC*toothpaste Aug 13 21:27
DaemonFCthey look a lot betterAug 13 21:28
DaemonFCschestowitz, I suppose there's no medical need to get your hair cut eitherAug 13 21:28
DaemonFCor wash itAug 13 21:28
DaemonFCor trim your toe/fingernailsAug 13 21:28
DaemonFCor bathe for that matterAug 13 21:28
DaemonFCyou could live without taking a shower, getting your hair cut, or trimming your nailsAug 13 21:29
DaemonFCDo you not shower, get your hair cut, or trim your nails?Aug 13 21:29
DaemonFCyou must smell and look like RMSAug 13 21:29
DaemonFC:PAug 13 21:29
MinceRyou're shallower than a puddleAug 13 21:30
DaemonFCGrigori Rasputin has come to America and found that we have 65 cent doughnuts Aug 13 21:30
DaemonFC= RMSAug 13 21:30
DaemonFCMinceR, I'm not "shallow", I just don't like looking like shitAug 13 21:32
DaemonFCand feeling grossAug 13 21:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Friday the 13th, Part II: Oracle Officially Ends OpenSolaris http://ur1.ca/14obu #theLarry is a curseAug 13 21:32
DaemonFCand stinkingAug 13 21:32
TechrightsBotTitle: Friday the 13th, Part II: Oracle Officially Ends OpenSolaris | ITworld .::. Size~: 81.17 KBAug 13 21:32
DaemonFCwhat's wrong with that?Aug 13 21:32
DaemonFCtell meAug 13 21:32
DaemonFCIs there something wrong with proper hygiene?Aug 13 21:33
DaemonFCDid I miss the memo?Aug 13 21:33
MinceRthere's a lot wrong with judging someone solely by itAug 13 21:33
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DaemonFCthere's a good reason we judge people who look like RMSAug 13 21:33
MinceRyes, it's because you're shallowAug 13 21:33
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MinceRthinking is hard, so you spare yourself the troubleAug 13 21:33
DaemonFCpeople with mental illness let themselves get like thatAug 13 21:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @sjvn Oracle vs. Google over Java in Android is only the start. http://bit.ly/bHSwQX Any open-source #Java company should be worried.Aug 13 21:34
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle vs. Google over Java in Android is only the start. - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 63.04 KBAug 13 21:34
MinceRnot necessarilyAug 13 21:34
DaemonFCno seriously, that beard escaped the state hospital Aug 13 21:34
MinceRsome sociopaths don'tAug 13 21:34
DaemonFChe should return it at onceAug 13 21:34
MinceRjobs, for exampleAug 13 21:34
DaemonFCyour appearance says a lot about youAug 13 21:35
schestowitziNfusionAug 13 21:35
DaemonFCit can make you look older, it can make you look youngerAug 13 21:35
MinceRperhaps a lot, but certainly not enoughAug 13 21:35
DaemonFCit can make you look insaneAug 13 21:35
DaemonFCit can make you look distinguished Aug 13 21:35
MinceRand you refuse to seek evidence to whether someone is insane or distinguished or notAug 13 21:35
DaemonFCI doubt there's too many people who have done well for themselves who go to work in their sweat pants and a t-shirtAug 13 21:35
DaemonFCand haven't cut their hair or bathed in monthsAug 13 21:36
MinceRyou just look at them, make a judgement based on irrelevant information, and call it a dayAug 13 21:36
MinceRlike i said, thinking is hardAug 13 21:36
DaemonFCnot reallyAug 13 21:36
DaemonFCthere's too many people lined up to take the opportunities you allow yourself to missAug 13 21:36
DaemonFCfor any kind of HR person to careAug 13 21:36
MinceRafaik RMS isn't seeking a job :>Aug 13 21:36
DaemonFC"Oh no, I just told that guy that looks like a high school drop out who uses meth that we aren't hiring"Aug 13 21:37
DaemonFC"Now I'll have to hire this guy who came to the interview in a suit instead"Aug 13 21:37
DaemonFCthen you proceed to lose sleep?Aug 13 21:37
DaemonFCnoAug 13 21:37
MinceRgood going, you spared yourself the exertion that would result from reading his resumeAug 13 21:37
DaemonFCexactlyAug 13 21:37
MinceR(an extremely exhausting exercise)Aug 13 21:37
DaemonFCwhen someone comes in looking like that, the last thing you do is read their resumeAug 13 21:37
DaemonFCjust get rid of them quicklyAug 13 21:38
MinceRlook at the letters one by one and try to recall what they areAug 13 21:38
MinceR:>Aug 13 21:38
MinceRbtw, who in IT goes to interviews in a suit?Aug 13 21:38
DaemonFCMinceR, Right, so there's 1 position open in your company, you are the HR manager, you have 150 applicants Aug 13 21:38
DaemonFCTell me in your own words how YOU would narrow the candidates downAug 13 21:38
MinceRi'm not an HR manager, i'm capable of useful work ;)Aug 13 21:39
DaemonFCand what you are looking to say about your company when this person interacts with customersAug 13 21:39
MinceRi would look at the published criteria firstAug 13 21:39
MinceRcompare the resumes to themAug 13 21:39
DaemonFCthat's at least as important as his qualifications Aug 13 21:39
MinceRunless of course the company is looking for a face manAug 13 21:39
DaemonFChygiene is a qualificationAug 13 21:39
MinceRfor what job?Aug 13 21:39
schestowitzryan is on a highAug 13 21:40
schestowitzShe got his nail doneAug 13 21:40
schestowitzAnd her teeth is whiterAug 13 21:40
MinceRperhaps he lost his self-esteemAug 13 21:40
MinceRand trying to scrape some of it back togetherAug 13 21:40
DaemonFCpeople with poor hygiene typically do worse in lifeAug 13 21:40
schestowitzLike posting photos here with shaving form onAug 13 21:40
DaemonFCall aspectsAug 13 21:40
schestowitzFinancially?Aug 13 21:41
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] I salute David Sapstead. I could not have written the first two paragraphs more concisely with more LOLs per clause. http://is.gd/eguQZAug 13 21:41
DaemonFCyesAug 13 21:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Court refuses trial by combat - Telegraph .::. Size~: 52.27 KBAug 13 21:41
DaemonFCkeep goingAug 13 21:41
schestowitzThey all die eventuallyAug 13 21:41
DaemonFCso now YOU are the nihilist Aug 13 21:41
DaemonFCyay, I winAug 13 21:41
MinceRsome people who do badly in life can only afford worse hygieneAug 13 21:41
schestowitzThe ones with better hygiene die in worse relatively shapeAug 13 21:41
MinceRare you sure you got cause and effect right? :>Aug 13 21:41
schestowitzThey get to live until their body rots and has spare parts in it (like Jobs)Aug 13 21:41
DaemonFCMinceR, Manipulating the opinion of others is a daily taskAug 13 21:42
MinceRalso, our society is brokenAug 13 21:42
MinceRnews at 11Aug 13 21:42
DaemonFCwhen those others are important to a desired outcomeAug 13 21:42
DaemonFCotherwise, fuck emAug 13 21:42
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:42
schestowitzDaemonFC: tell us when you white teeth get you more than cat+gun+pcAug 13 21:42
DaemonFCMinceR, Stalin had an expression that amused meAug 13 21:42
DaemonFC"Useful idiots"Aug 13 21:42
schestowitzUntil then, your habit of shaving twice a day means nothing to meAug 13 21:43
schestowitzYou can die with a razor in you handAug 13 21:43
schestowitzThe tomb will read, "ryan, the master of the blade"Aug 13 21:43
DaemonFCwell, I sure wouldn't have much of a sex life without proper hygiene Aug 13 21:43
MinceRDaemonFC: most idiots are useless, thoughAug 13 21:43
DaemonFCnot that it's your businessAug 13 21:43
MinceRschestowitz: rotflAug 13 21:43
MinceRLord of BladesAug 13 21:44
schestowitz"I lives a sh*tty life, but I shave a lot"Aug 13 21:44
schestowitzIt's like poor people who buy hypePhoneAug 13 21:44
DaemonFCshitty is a relative termAug 13 21:44
MinceRhe will turn into a cyborg and be transported to the land once known as Cyre ;)Aug 13 21:44
schestowitzThey can do Ok with one set of clothes and hypePhoneAug 13 21:44
MinceRschestowitz: like jobs?Aug 13 21:44
schestowitzsome take a loan from the bank and buy a nice car Aug 13 21:44
DaemonFCI'd call working in the factory that made my PC pretty damned shittyAug 13 21:45
schestowitzMinceR: with jeans?Aug 13 21:45
DaemonFCand "Why does that guy bother to live"?Aug 13 21:45
schestowitzJobs needs to shaveAug 13 21:45
schestowitz*shaveAug 13 21:45
MinceRjeans+turtleneckAug 13 21:45
DaemonFCso maybe my life isn't so badAug 13 21:45
schestowitzHe looks like an aged man whose grandkids don't look after himAug 13 21:45
schestowitzThey should stick the man in a parents' home with the ACCESS bullyAug 13 21:45
DaemonFCJobs does need to shaveAug 13 21:45
DaemonFCagreedAug 13 21:45
schestowitzThrey'lll shout at each other all dayAug 13 21:45
DaemonFCdesperately Aug 13 21:45
schestowitz"I'm the greatest!"Aug 13 21:45
schestowitz"NOOOOOOO!!!!!!1 I'm the greatest!"Aug 13 21:45
DaemonFCthat white stubble makes him look infirmAug 13 21:45
MinceRlolAug 13 21:46
DaemonFCadds at least 10 years to his faceAug 13 21:46
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: hey, I get to live longer than JobsAug 13 21:46
MinceRDaemonFC: go and apply to be his stylistAug 13 21:46
schestowitzI can visit his graveAug 13 21:46
schestowitzAnd I could yell @ it :-)Aug 13 21:46
MinceRDaemonFC: hurry, he might kick the bucket any day ;)Aug 13 21:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Instructive to watch the Java brand plummet . Is a bigger slice of a smaller pie really worth it? Or are we looking at the wrong pie?Aug 13 21:47
schestowitzDaemonFC: your face does not affect your longevityAug 13 21:47
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ5RCaxOVBAAug 13 21:47
schestowitzMess too much with it and you'll get wrinklesAug 13 21:47
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Seether - Fallen .::. Size~: 101.29 KBAug 13 21:47
schestowitzLike too much exposure to sunAug 13 21:47
*MinceR is listening to: Cyborg - Twistin' MindlessAug 13 21:47
DaemonFCit affects the stock price whenever his "health" becomes the focal pointAug 13 21:47
DaemonFChis health has more to do with the stock price of Apple than any product they makeAug 13 21:47
schestowitzHeheAug 13 21:48
schestowitzand vice versaAug 13 21:48
MinceRthe products don't matter, the hype doesAug 13 21:48
MinceRhype is their main productAug 13 21:48
MinceR;)Aug 13 21:48
DaemonFCpeople know that Apple is incompetent and that they need a fascist dictator CEO like JobsAug 13 21:48
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:48
schestowitzDaemonFC: I don't shave much and I still don't look like RMS. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/07/22/london-photos/Aug 13 21:48
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DaemonFCYou don't sound like a Brit eitherAug 13 21:48
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:48
MinceRRMS does?Aug 13 21:49
schestowitzActually, I could just avoid shaving for a long time, then get tan and shave and get haircut etc. within hoursAug 13 21:49
schestowitzIt's pointlessAug 13 21:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] After I recommended to my bosses we get the hell off Solaris, Oracle try to kill Java. Our developers are not happy today. PHP perhaps?Aug 13 21:49
schestowitzI don't live to fulfil a mirror fantasyAug 13 21:49
DaemonFCMinceR, No, RMS sounds like a pompous assAug 13 21:49
MinceRthat's richAug 13 21:49
MinceRespecially from youAug 13 21:49
schestowitzI stare at people and machines, not a mirorAug 13 21:49
MinceRschestowitz: your machines aren't shiny enough ;)Aug 13 21:49
schestowitzNoAug 13 21:49
schestowitzBlackAug 13 21:49
MinceRblack can be shiny tooAug 13 21:50
schestowitzBoth monitors and base unitAug 13 21:50
MinceRlike my fingerprint collectorAug 13 21:50
MinceR(eee pc)Aug 13 21:50
DaemonFCget a condom on that smudgepod alreadyAug 13 21:50
DaemonFC:PAug 13 21:50
DaemonFCheheAug 13 21:50
schestowitzDaemonFC shaves a lot but exercise littleAug 13 21:51
DaemonFCtoo bad your smudgepod doesn't have a 4G connectionAug 13 21:51
schestowitzDaemonFC was like 240lbAug 13 21:51
DaemonFCyou might get a free condomAug 13 21:51
schestowitzHe ate wal-martAug 13 21:51
DaemonFCin your choice of color Aug 13 21:51
schestowitz...And his boss.Aug 13 21:51
DaemonFCI'm 190 poundsAug 13 21:51
DaemonFCand 6 foot 4Aug 13 21:51
schestowitzMe too! Just over... Aug 13 21:51
schestowitzHere I was about 190lb: http://schestowitz.com/Images/images3.htmAug 13 21:51
schestowitzNow I'm around 210Aug 13 21:52
DaemonFCPhotoshop ftwAug 13 21:52
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:52
DaemonFCyes, and when you make thumbnails, the edits aren't so obviousAug 13 21:52
schestowitzNo editingAug 13 21:52
DaemonFCschestowitz, I understand when machines have already wonAug 13 21:53
schestowitzMaking the images smaller just make it look betterAug 13 21:53
DaemonFCthat's why I carry weaponryAug 13 21:53
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:53
MinceRdo you have EMP weapons?Aug 13 21:53
DaemonFCyou might kick my ass if you could get within arms length Aug 13 21:53
schestowitzHE has a crappy gunAug 13 21:53
DaemonFCbut you can't, so I still winAug 13 21:53
schestowitzHe posted photos hereAug 13 21:53
DaemonFCIt's a Hi Point .45 ACPAug 13 21:54
schestowitzLook like something you'd get as a 16 y-o whitetrash  ina rangeAug 13 21:54
DaemonFCyeah, it's cheap and mass producedAug 13 21:54
schestowitz"Here sonny, have this lousy gun to train with"Aug 13 21:54
DaemonFCbut it is also reliable, and has decent stopping power :)Aug 13 21:54
DaemonFCyes, they look like shit Aug 13 21:54
DaemonFCbut they are reliableAug 13 21:55
DaemonFCand fairly accurateAug 13 21:55
DaemonFCand quite capable of killing someoneAug 13 21:55
schestowitzSour grapesAug 13 21:55
schestowitzYours aren't sourAug 13 21:55
DaemonFCso why unload on a model that looks better and jams on you?Aug 13 21:55
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:55
schestowitz[21:55] <DaemonFC> and quite capable of killing someoneAug 13 21:55
schestowitzOf courseAug 13 21:55
schestowitzIt's made of metalAug 13 21:55
MinceR:>Aug 13 21:55
schestowitzYouy could punch someone with itAug 13 21:55
DaemonFConly if I run out of ammunitionAug 13 21:55
DaemonFCwith no time to reloadAug 13 21:56
MinceRor you could shoot it at someone with a railgun or a coilgunAug 13 21:56
MinceR;)Aug 13 21:56
DaemonFCbut yeah, pistol whipping is a decent fallbackAug 13 21:56
schestowitz"Stop shooooooting mmmmmmmmmmeeee... it tickles, ryan!!"Aug 13 21:56
MinceRor load it into a gun that shoots gunsAug 13 21:56
DaemonFCthat's what he.....Aug 13 21:56
DaemonFCn/mAug 13 21:56
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: a kid with paintball gear would shoot you in the b0lls firstAug 13 21:56
DaemonFCdoubtful Aug 13 21:57
schestowitzYou'd be struggling to load the sorrdid gunAug 13 21:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @stshank: Why Oracle, not Sun, sued Google over using Java technology in Android. http://bit.ly/a2YR98Aug 13 21:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Why Oracle, not Sun, sued Google over Java | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 86.96 KBAug 13 21:57
MinceRhttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_weapons_that_shoot_other_weapons_that_don%27t_exist%2C_but_should#Gun_That_Shoots_GunsAug 13 21:57
DaemonFCbetter not miss, you only get one chanceAug 13 21:57
TechrightsBotTitle: List of weapons that shoot other weapons that don't exist, but should - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 82.61 KBAug 13 21:57
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 21:57
schestowitzPotato gun tooAug 13 21:57
schestowitzThe police will come firstAug 13 21:57
DaemonFCbecause if I get back up, that little SOB is gonna dieAug 13 21:57
DaemonFC:DAug 13 21:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, Potato guns are fun to makeAug 13 21:58
DaemonFCand the ones grown in Indiana make for some poor man's artillery shellsAug 13 21:58
DaemonFCcause they're inedible Aug 13 21:58
DaemonFC:DAug 13 21:59
MinceRperhaps they could be turned into ethanol then :>Aug 13 21:59
MinceR(fuel)Aug 13 21:59
DaemonFCMinceR, Potatoes grown in Indiana are basically rocksAug 13 21:59
DaemonFCthere's nothing you can do with them except maybe mash themAug 13 21:59
MinceRthey're still mostly made of starch, are they not?Aug 13 22:00
DaemonFCyeahAug 13 22:00
DaemonFCCorn grows very well hereAug 13 22:00
MinceRthen it can be turned into fuelAug 13 22:00
DaemonFCactually, many things grow well hereAug 13 22:00
DaemonFCjust not potatoes Aug 13 22:00
DaemonFCI grow tomatoes and various peppers in the back yardAug 13 22:01
DaemonFCout between the satellite dish and the drivewayAug 13 22:01
DaemonFCperfect size for a small gardenAug 13 22:01
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] @rcweir the answer is "oracle is clearly batshit insane."Aug 13 22:02
DaemonFCI've even managed to grow habenero peppers out thereAug 13 22:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] In any case, this whole Java versus .NET thing is just the sideshow, the battle for 2nd place. The winner in the end is HTML 5.Aug 13 22:03
*DaemonFC wonders if he could get a few stalks of corn to grow there tooAug 13 22:03
DaemonFCthere's nothing wrong with trying to be somewhat self-sufficient Aug 13 22:03
DaemonFCI know that's not what the state tells youAug 13 22:03
DaemonFCso you might disagreeAug 13 22:03
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 22:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Journalism Warning Labels: This Article Is Just A Press Release Copied & Pasted http://dlvr.it/3m31SAug 13 22:04
MinceR:>Aug 13 22:04
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DaemonFCI gave up on store bought tomatoes and peppers Aug 13 22:04
DaemonFCthe ones at Walmart especiallyAug 13 22:04
DaemonFCthey like to spray them down with chemicals that make them look ripeAug 13 22:04
DaemonFCthen you bite into a green tomato that looked redAug 13 22:04
DaemonFCit's disgusting Aug 13 22:04
DaemonFCbut what's worse is their meat department Aug 13 22:05
DaemonFCproper ground chuck should not have the consistency of bicycle tireAug 13 22:05
DaemonFCand that's my opinion tooAug 13 22:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Still Pretends That #Windows is Secure, #Apple ‘Fix’ Creates User Jail http://ur1.ca/14pzjAug 13 22:06
MinceRChuck was chucked into the meat grinder?Aug 13 22:06
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DaemonFCpretty muchAug 13 22:06
MinceRi thought hypeOS was "user jail"Aug 13 22:06
DaemonFCMinceR, I end up driving about 30 miles to MarionAug 13 22:06
DaemonFCjust for proper meatAug 13 22:06
DaemonFCyou can't get good stuff from a supermarket meat marketAug 13 22:06
DaemonFCyou just can'tAug 13 22:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @rcweir and the back end: P[erl|HP|ython]Aug 13 22:07
DaemonFCbut Walmart manages to be even worse than thatAug 13 22:07
DaemonFCMinceR, One thing Walmart does is they pack the meat in nitrogenAug 13 22:07
DaemonFCwhich causes it to turn purpleAug 13 22:07
DaemonFCso they hose it down with red food dye to make it look "fresh"Aug 13 22:07
DaemonFC:DAug 13 22:07
schestowitzMinceR: should have said "restored"Aug 13 22:08
schestowitznot "created"Aug 13 22:08
schestowitzBut it's never quite goneAug 13 22:08
schestowitzAlways cracks to be foundAug 13 22:08
DaemonFCschestowitz, So why do you never talk about the BSDs?Aug 13 22:08
DaemonFCis it a religious thing or do you not like them personally?Aug 13 22:08
DaemonFCor are you inexperienced with them?Aug 13 22:09
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 22:09
schestowitzShh...Aug 13 22:09
MinceRDaemonFC: nobody cares about the bsdsAug 13 22:09
DaemonFCWhy not?Aug 13 22:09
MinceRexcept for half a dozen loud-mouthed fanboysAug 13 22:09
MinceRand two companies that like to steal code from themAug 13 22:10
MinceRnot sureAug 13 22:10
MinceRperhaps the fanboys scared everyone awayAug 13 22:10
DaemonFCironic that you should say thatAug 13 22:10
MinceRperhaps GNU simply has more functionality and so there was always more point to using thatAug 13 22:10
DaemonFCthen back to Linux fanboism then?Aug 13 22:10
MinceRnot reallyAug 13 22:10
MinceRjust plain realismAug 13 22:10
MinceRi know you aren't familiar with itAug 13 22:10
MinceR...or it's just that bsd had that copyright-related uncertainty exactly when linux was madeAug 13 22:11
DaemonFCthe only practical shortcoming of the BSDs is lack of ATI support, but then again, it's not like Linux really shines with an ATI cardAug 13 22:11
MinceRand so gnu/linux ended up being first to marketAug 13 22:11
DaemonFCthe best they've managed to do is make their binary driver work, mostly...Aug 13 22:11
MinceRare you sure that's the only practical shortcoming?Aug 13 22:11
DaemonFCwhen it's not crashing or turning half your display black for no reasonAug 13 22:11
DaemonFCI haven't seen anything where PC-BSD really fails me in a way where Linux succeeds Aug 13 22:12
DaemonFCin fact, their sound system is betterAug 13 22:12
DaemonFCso really it's a plus for FreeBSDAug 13 22:12
MinceRdoes it even matter? you're using winblows anywayAug 13 22:13
DaemonFCon this systemAug 13 22:13
MinceRwhat's their sound system? plain old crappy OSS?Aug 13 22:13
DaemonFCnoAug 13 22:13
MinceRwith no support for MIDI or multichannel audio?Aug 13 22:13
DaemonFCwrongAug 13 22:13
DaemonFCthey forked OSSAug 13 22:13
DaemonFCand added onAug 13 22:13
MinceRso it's plain old crappy OSSAug 13 22:13
DaemonFCnoAug 13 22:13
DaemonFCit has native support for everything ALSA can do, plus what ALSA should doAug 13 22:13
DaemonFCbut has Pulseaudio do badly insteadAug 13 22:13
DaemonFCB-)Aug 13 22:14
DaemonFCin fact, their OSS works better than OSS 4Aug 13 22:14
DaemonFCI tried patching OSS 4 into Linux and ended up with a lot of the same problems I was getting with ALSA anyway and then someAug 13 22:14
MinceRit's the OSS we know :>Aug 13 22:15
DaemonFCright, FreeBSD forked OSS back when it was version 3Aug 13 22:15
DaemonFCand went a totally different way with itAug 13 22:15
DaemonFCit does have multichannel supportAug 13 22:15
MinceRis unicode support still totally broken in freebsd, btw?Aug 13 22:15
DaemonFCand timer schedulingAug 13 22:15
DaemonFCetc.Aug 13 22:15
DaemonFCnoAug 13 22:15
DaemonFCso at the time, ALSA answered a lot of the problems people had with OSS 3Aug 13 22:16
DaemonFCbut it's looking dated and inadequate nowAug 13 22:16
MinceRmeanwhile OSS4 solved nearly none of themAug 13 22:16
DaemonFCI can almost forgive Jono for admitting it sucksAug 13 22:16
DaemonFCbut I still happen to think that he should cash that sime store sound card in and get something elseAug 13 22:17
DaemonFCinstead of, in his position as Ubuntu Community Manager, putting a big fat honking Windows 7 advertisement on his siteAug 13 22:17
DaemonFCI mean, you want to talk hypocrite, Jono Bacon's picture is next to that word in the dictionary Aug 13 22:18
DaemonFCPeople will see that Jono is using Windows 7 and telling everyone else Yay Ubuntu!Aug 13 22:19
DaemonFCand even if that's not what he was trying to say, it's what he saidAug 13 22:19
schestowitzBSD has little to offer vs LinuxAug 13 22:20
schestowitzThat's why it suffersAug 13 22:20
DaemonFCexcept a consistent user experienceAug 13 22:20
DaemonFCthat's not full of bugsAug 13 22:20
DaemonFCB-)Aug 13 22:20
MinceRhttp://pod.tst.eu/http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.pod#I_am_on_FreeBSD_and_rxvt_unicode_doeAug 13 22:20
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schestowitzRun BSD then, Vista boiAug 13 22:20
MinceRhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=%22watchdog+timeout+--+resetting%22&btnG=SearchAug 13 22:21
TechrightsBotTitle: "watchdog timeout -- resetting" - Google Search .::. Size~: 44.47 KBAug 13 22:21
MinceRyes sir, perfectly bugfreeAug 13 22:21
MinceRi guess it's a case of sour grapes among m$ slavesAug 13 22:21
MinceRthey get to steal *bsd code but not gnu/linux code so the latter must be inferiorAug 13 22:21
schestowitzBSD is as bug-free as Ryan's hairAug 13 22:21
MinceRhttp://sourceforge.net/apps/phpbb/freenas/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=3966&sid=1bcf5cc8ef97faa0e09e477920b17e58&start=10#p19351Aug 13 22:21
TechrightsBotTitle: FreeNAS forum &bull; View topic - Will FreeNAS 0.7 be a last version? [ NO ] .::. Size~: 50.37 KBAug 13 22:21
DaemonFCWhen was this dated?Aug 13 22:21
MinceRschestowitz: ewAug 13 22:22
MinceRDaemonFC: does it matter? it's not like any of the *bsds are moving fastAug 13 22:22
MinceRthe few people who care about them spend their time flaming gnu/linux and the fsfAug 13 22:22
DaemonFCIt's always nice when someone compiles a bitchlist and doesn't specify what version of the software they speak ofAug 13 22:22
DaemonFCor when they wrote itAug 13 22:23
DaemonFCit's almost a hit piece at that pointAug 13 22:23
MinceRit's always nice when someone makes vague, unproven statements about how a system is bugfreeAug 13 22:23
DaemonFCLinus has never pretended Linux is bug freeAug 13 22:23
DaemonFChe doesn't have toAug 13 22:23
DaemonFCyou are his RDFAug 13 22:23
MinceRbut you pretend that freebsd is bugfreeAug 13 22:23
schestowitzProfit Strong, G.M. Names a New ChiefAug 13 22:24
DaemonFCI said it's not full of bugsAug 13 22:24
MinceRit makes me wonder why don't you use it if it's so perfectAug 13 22:24
DaemonFCas in I've never crashed it with something in WineAug 13 22:24
MinceRor perhaps vista7 is even more perfect?Aug 13 22:24
DaemonFCand Flash sees my microphone Aug 13 22:24
DaemonFCI would call those Linux bugsAug 13 22:24
MinceRyes, it's hard to crash something you never useAug 13 22:24
DaemonFCI never use it because it always failsAug 13 22:25
DaemonFCbadlyAug 13 22:25
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why Oracle, not Sun, sued Google over Java - http://bit.ly/aZhWu2 nice, detailed analysis #google #oracle #sunAug 13 22:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Why Oracle, not Sun, sued Google over Java | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 88.94 KBAug 13 22:25
MinceRoh, so *bsd always fails nowAug 13 22:25
DaemonFCHow do you crash the kernel by running something in Wine?Aug 13 22:25
MinceRthe wind must have changed directionAug 13 22:25
DaemonFCHow the HELL do you crash the Linux kernel with Wine?Aug 13 22:25
DaemonFCHOW!?Aug 13 22:25
MinceRyou tell me, i never did thatAug 13 22:25
DaemonFCWhy can't it see my microphone Aug 13 22:25
DaemonFCwhat year is it?Aug 13 22:25
MinceRbecause Trash is crap?Aug 13 22:25
DaemonFCwhat YEAR is it when I have to fuck around with something like that?Aug 13 22:26
DaemonFCLinux makes USB as irritating as ISA on Windows NT 4Aug 13 22:26
MinceRthe monkeys at adobe can't code, only whine about how things everyone and their dog has already done are impossible to doAug 13 22:26
MinceRbut if you love adobe so much, why don't you buy a mac?Aug 13 22:26
DaemonFCglorious freedom from pornAug 13 22:26
MinceRas an added bonus, they steal even more *bsd code than m$Aug 13 22:26
DaemonFCand double priced PC hardwareAug 13 22:26
DaemonFCno thanksAug 13 22:26
MinceRi guess they wouldn't pay an mvp for advertising crAppleAug 13 22:27
MinceRonly for advertising winblows and for flaming the fsf and gnu/linuxAug 13 22:27
MinceRmakes senseAug 13 22:27
DaemonFCMVPs don't get paid, as suchAug 13 22:27
MinceRthat's even sadderAug 13 22:27
DaemonFCand that was years agoAug 13 22:27
MinceRyet you still do the typical m$ astroturfer routineAug 13 22:27
DaemonFCwhen someone runs into a Linux bug, and says something about it, FSF worshippers arrange a hit on that personAug 13 22:28
MinceRwrongAug 13 22:28
DaemonFCthat's where you and schestowitz come inAug 13 22:28
DaemonFCthe Linux/GNU RDFAug 13 22:28
MinceRguess what, bugs tend to be fixed in free softwareAug 13 22:28
MinceRin m$ crap, they're carefully hidden and kept in secretAug 13 22:28
DaemonFCthat's why Linux has gone 2 years with the same bugsAug 13 22:28
DaemonFC(for me)Aug 13 22:28
MinceRthen you get vulnerabilities that have existed for decadesAug 13 22:28
DaemonFCyeahAug 13 22:28
DaemonFChack meAug 13 22:28
DaemonFCor somethingAug 13 22:29
DaemonFCor shut upAug 13 22:29
MinceRincluding in code that was supposedly "rewritten"Aug 13 22:29
MinceRwhy, are you going to hack me?Aug 13 22:29
MinceRor are you going to shut up?Aug 13 22:29
DaemonFCno, I just find it amusing that you talk security problemsAug 13 22:29
MinceRor is this just a classic case of double standards?Aug 13 22:29
MinceRyes, it's amusingAug 13 22:29
MinceRwhen winblows boxes get hacked in a few minutes from installationAug 13 22:30
MinceRbecause they aren't my boxes :>Aug 13 22:30
DaemonFCthe security problems with Windows sit between the chair and the keyboard most of the timeAug 13 22:30
DaemonFCjust like they do on any systemAug 13 22:30
DaemonFC"Ohh, free screensaver, click!"Aug 13 22:30
DaemonFCYou're seeing that on Ubuntu now toooAug 13 22:30
MinceRyes, let's just pretend that the vulnerabilities that were disclosed don't existAug 13 22:30
schestowitzConficker?Aug 13 22:30
MinceRthat's the m$ thing to doAug 13 22:30
schestowitzThe epidemic-sized things are intervention freeAug 13 22:30
MinceRRPC bug? must be the user...Aug 13 22:30
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @pgralla: Microsoft is the big winner in Oracle's suit against Google http://bit.ly/ciCUTm Me: Agreed.Aug 13 22:31
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft is the big winner in Oracle's suit against Google - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 62.55 KBAug 13 22:31
MinceRa hole the size of a house in IIS? user error!Aug 13 22:31
DaemonFCwhen the user is a fucking idiot, it doesn't matter what system they useAug 13 22:31
Aondoyea never install a fresh windows with the TP cable connected, it was my screw up. i knew that, when i started getting trojans before i was able to patch it with some service pack :DAug 13 22:31
DaemonFCthey're a danger to themselves more than any OS isAug 13 22:31
MinceRthe user is putting winblows on a server because he's a fucking idiotAug 13 22:31
MinceRsurpriseAug 13 22:31
DaemonFCAondo, I haven't hooked anything up that wasn't behind some kind of external firewall since I was on dial upAug 13 22:32
DaemonFCI doubt most people haveAug 13 22:32
MinceRmost people are on dial-up?Aug 13 22:32
DaemonFCyou literally can't get away from broadband modems or routers anymore that have firewallsAug 13 22:32
DaemonFCif you triedAug 13 22:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @fosspatents ...and we find unreasonable opposition by another non-domestic player against #EU open standards rules.Aug 13 22:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Digg is Changing http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/08/13/digg-is-changing/ "GNU/Linux and Free Software are erased routinely."Aug 13 22:33
TechrightsBotTitle:   Digg is Changing at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 26.57 KBAug 13 22:33
DaemonFCif the user installs something, then that thing can do stuff on the systemAug 13 22:33
DaemonFCwowAug 13 22:33
DaemonFCthat's a Windows specific protip or somethingAug 13 22:33
MinceRon winblows, the user doesn't have to install anythingAug 13 22:34
DaemonFCmost malwarespreads by hijacking the browserAug 13 22:34
MinceRschestowitz: where's the change in that?Aug 13 22:34
DaemonFCin ways that IE or Firefox make easy to doAug 13 22:34
MinceRdigg's been a crApple fansite for agesAug 13 22:34
MinceRDaemonFC: so let's ignore all the malware that uses OS exploitsAug 13 22:34
MinceRbecause we happened to talk about themAug 13 22:34
DaemonFCMinceR, Like a fake AV site that forces the user to stay on that pageAug 13 22:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @sjvn P[erl|HP|ython] may benefit tooAug 13 22:35
DaemonFCand won't let them shut the browser downAug 13 22:35
MinceRno, i'm not talking about fake AV sitesAug 13 22:35
DaemonFCThis crap brought to you by FirefoxAug 13 22:35
MinceRi'm talking about broken services that shouldn't even be running on most systems listening on ports that are open by defaultAug 13 22:35
MinceRservices that are somehow essential on winblowsAug 13 22:35
DaemonFCFirefox also uses that horrible broken Google "safe browsing" shitAug 13 22:35
MinceRand if a bug kills them, it helpfully kills the OS for youAug 13 22:35
DaemonFCWindows 7 has an event driven service systemAug 13 22:36
DaemonFCso services you don't need are not runningAug 13 22:36
DaemonFCunless you force them toAug 13 22:36
DaemonFCwhich would be stupidAug 13 22:36
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 22:36
MinceRthat must look great on a brochureAug 13 22:37
DaemonFCyou know, like Linux would have if they'd quit running Upstart in SysVInit compatibility modeAug 13 22:37
DaemonFCand actually use itAug 13 22:37
MinceRright beside "completely rewritten tcp/ip stack"Aug 13 22:37
MinceRguess what, some services already use upstart on karmicAug 13 22:37
DaemonFCEvent driven init on Linux is a pipe dreamAug 13 22:37
DaemonFCit's there and nothing can use itAug 13 22:37
MinceRand you'd know if you weren't only using vista7 to troll on ircAug 13 22:37
MinceRalso, many other such service management software have existed for a long timeAug 13 22:38
DaemonFCLinux is 10 years behindAug 13 22:38
DaemonFCin many waysAug 13 22:38
DaemonFCinit is one of themAug 13 22:38
DaemonFCALSA is another oneAug 13 22:38
MinceRactualy, it's winblows that's decades behindAug 13 22:38
schestowitzTroll........Aug 13 22:38
schestowitzA lousy one tooAug 13 22:38
DaemonFCLinux reverse engineered the Windows 98 sound systemAug 13 22:39
MinceRsystem update, reboot d6+4 timesAug 13 22:39
DaemonFCand called it ALSAAug 13 22:39
DaemonFCthen tried to fix it in userspaceAug 13 22:39
DaemonFChoorayAug 13 22:39
MinceRthey recently started ripping off sudoAug 13 22:39
schestowitzVista boi... stop the nonsense. You use old Linux as exampleAug 13 22:40
MinceRtoo bad they're m$ and can't even rip off things properlyAug 13 22:40
DaemonFC"It's fixed, once and for all!" "But my sound card is crackling now!"Aug 13 22:40
DaemonFC"ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!"Aug 13 22:40
DaemonFC"ZOMGTROLL!!!!!111"Aug 13 22:40
DaemonFCheheAug 13 22:40
MinceRso they turned into it into "whoever wants Admin rights gets it"Aug 13 22:40
MinceRdrive letters are so modern, tooAug 13 22:40
schestowitzCrackers get it automaticallyAug 13 22:40
MinceRand NTFS itselfAug 13 22:40
MinceRhm, when did they get symlinks? :>Aug 13 22:40
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] Baseless http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/13/google-calls-oracle-android-lawsuit-baseless-says-java-goes/ #scoracleAug 13 22:41
MinceRand when did they start claiming POSIX compatibility?Aug 13 22:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Google calls Oracle Android lawsuit 'baseless,' says Java goes 'beyond any one corporation' -- Engadget .::. Size~: 215.21 KBAug 13 22:41
DaemonFCMinceR, Windows 200 had symlinksAug 13 22:41
DaemonFC*2000Aug 13 22:41
MinceRtell that to the world, because everyone believes they appeared in vistaAug 13 22:41
MinceRfor some reasonAug 13 22:41
DaemonFCnoAug 13 22:41
DaemonFClong time before VistaAug 13 22:41
MinceRand of course it wasn't win2k that they sold to the government as a supposedly POSIX OSAug 13 22:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @ffii Baseless http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/13/google-calls-oracle-android-lawsuit-baseless-says-java-goes/ #scoracleAug 13 22:42
TechrightsBotTitle: Google calls Oracle Android lawsuit 'baseless,' says Java goes 'beyond any one corporation' -- Engadget .::. Size~: 215.21 KBAug 13 22:42
MinceR(which it wasn't)Aug 13 22:42
DaemonFCit has a POSIX compatibility layer, which was replaced by INTERIXAug 13 22:42
MinceRand which wasn't compatibleAug 13 22:42
DaemonFC(Services For UNIX-based Applications)Aug 13 22:42
DaemonFCINTERIX is more or less source compatible Aug 13 22:43
DaemonFCat least, as much as any "POSIX" OS  is with any other "POSIX" OSAug 13 22:43
MinceRthen there was their kshAug 13 22:43
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterixAug 13 22:43
MinceRm$ said it was compatibleAug 13 22:43
TechrightsBotTitle: Interix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 66.08 KBAug 13 22:43
DaemonFCThe Korn ShellAug 13 22:44
MinceRDavid Korn said it wasn'tAug 13 22:44
schestowitzIDG thinks lawsuits are "games"..Aug 13 22:44
MinceRi wonder who has more credibility... :>Aug 13 22:44
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/16737/oracle_vs_google_re_java_ip_let_the_games_beginAug 13 22:44
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle vs. Google re. Java IP: let the games begin! - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 72.82 KBAug 13 22:44
schestowitz"IP"Aug 13 22:44
DaemonFCI've played around with Interix beforeAug 13 22:44
schestowitzWhat's the domainname for java?Aug 13 22:44
MinceRbut i'm sure that making up yet another brand just magically fixes everythingAug 13 22:44
schestowitzNot the IP...Aug 13 22:44
DaemonFCit was good enough to build and use KDE 3 onAug 13 22:44
MinceRschestowitz: java.sun.com?Aug 13 22:44
DaemonFCit's been a while since I played with itAug 13 22:44
DaemonFCit's faster than CygwinAug 13 22:44
MinceRKDE3, the POSIX compliance test suiteAug 13 22:45
MinceRoh, waitAug 13 22:45
MinceRit's a desktop environmentAug 13 22:45
DaemonFCI ended up building irssi in it for no reason at all in Vista Aug 13 22:45
DaemonFChehAug 13 22:45
DaemonFCjust because Cygwin blows so much moreAug 13 22:45
MinceRirssi has winblows binariesAug 13 22:45
schestowitzFis-dah!Aug 13 22:45
DaemonFCirssi does notAug 13 22:45
MinceRso congrats for nothingAug 13 22:45
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 22:45
schestowitzHeheAug 13 22:45
DaemonFCirssi has Cygwin binariesAug 13 22:45
DaemonFCand Cygwin fucking sucksAug 13 22:45
DaemonFC:DAug 13 22:45
schestowitzThe poser talks trashAug 13 22:46
MinceRcygwin is one of the best things one can get on winblowsAug 13 22:46
schestowitzsuper-hacker linux sound expertAug 13 22:46
schestowitz"I'm a Linux guru, but..."Aug 13 22:46
MinceRmake the system a little bit less retardedAug 13 22:46
schestowitzSee, that's why he dabbles....Aug 13 22:46
MinceRschestowitz: the "linux guru" who never uses gnu/linuxAug 13 22:46
schestowitz"But, no, I'm a Linux users, really!"Aug 13 22:46
schestowitzThen attacks jonoAug 13 22:46
MinceRimo jono deserved that attack thoughAug 13 22:46
schestowitzDaemonFC: you got warning 1Aug 13 22:46
schestowitzMinceR: hehe. Not with rude wordsAug 13 22:47
MinceRit's the latest in canonical's recent activities against free softwareAug 13 22:47
DaemonFCthat's not arbitrarily attacking me for my opinionAug 13 22:47
DaemonFCso yeah, warning 1, whateverAug 13 22:47
schestowitzDaemonFC has two more strikes and he's outAug 13 22:47
schestowitzGo shave or somethingAug 13 22:47
DaemonFCMaybe Jono can build Ubuntu in InterixAug 13 22:48
DaemonFCand show the world how awesome it isAug 13 22:48
schestowitzShouldn't you shave already? It's been 6 hours...Aug 13 22:48
MinceRcygwin fixes things such as nonexistent UTF-8 support in terminal windowsAug 13 22:48
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/12/iraqi-army-not-ready-generalAug 13 22:48
TechrightsBotTitle:  Iraqi army not ready to take over until 2020, says country's top general | World news | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 68.26 KBAug 13 22:48
schestowitzRyan's family reunionAug 13 22:48
MinceRand iirc it also lets GUI apps write to the console, even though winblows is retarded enough to not allow thatAug 13 22:48
schestowitzThey all have gunsAug 13 22:48
schestowitzryan has the smallest gunAug 13 22:48
schestowitzawwwwwwwwwww.......Aug 13 22:49
MinceRwinblows fails to do things right that unixes have done correctly for decadesAug 13 22:49
MinceRhell, winblows even fails at things it was based on vms forAug 13 22:49
DaemonFCschestowitz doesn't understand lack of taste Aug 13 22:49
DaemonFCbut if he did, it would be a shameAug 13 22:49
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/12/ground-zero-mosque-islamophobiaAug 13 22:50
TechrightsBotTitle:  Ground Zero mosque plans 'fuelling anti-Muslim protests across US' | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 70.69 KBAug 13 22:50
DaemonFCburn it downAug 13 22:50
schestowitzA whole audience of ryansAug 13 22:50
DaemonFCburn them in itAug 13 22:50
DaemonFCI know, hijack an airplaneAug 13 22:50
schestowitzI regret pasting it hereAug 13 22:50
DaemonFCand ram it into the mosqueAug 13 22:50
DaemonFCfuckersAug 13 22:50
DaemonFCTwo Muslims and two quarters don't add up to a dollarAug 13 22:51
DaemonFC:)Aug 13 22:51
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/12/sakineh-mohammadi-ashtiani-confesses-murder-iranAug 13 22:51
TechrightsBotTitle:  Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani 'confesses' to involvement in murder on Iran state TV | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 75.17 KBAug 13 22:51
schestowitzDaemonFC: seek helpAug 13 22:51
DaemonFCso, feed him to the lionsAug 13 22:51
DaemonFCproblem solvedAug 13 22:51
schestowitzThere's a group in Gainsville for you nowAug 13 22:52
schestowitzDon't know if you've heardAug 13 22:52
MinceRor at least seek payment for all that m$ apologism :>Aug 13 22:52
schestowitzMinceR: he gets itAug 13 22:52
schestowitzPoster of SteveBAug 13 22:52
schestowitzHe put them up in his bathroomAug 13 22:52
schestowitzCollageAug 13 22:52
MinceRonly of SweatyB?Aug 13 22:52
DaemonFCjuvenile attack alertAug 13 22:52
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/aug/12/babar-ahmad-police-abuse-verdictAug 13 22:53
DaemonFCsomeone isn't taking the high groundAug 13 22:53
TechrightsBotTitle:  Policemen to face trial for alleged assault on terror suspect Babar Ahmad | UK news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 68.97 KBAug 13 22:53
MinceRyes, that's so new hereAug 13 22:53
DaemonFCI might as wellAug 13 22:53
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/12/heatwave-record-temperatures-worldAug 13 22:53
MinceRthat would be interestingAug 13 22:53
TechrightsBotTitle:  World feeling the heat as 17 countries experience record temperatures | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 202.81 KBAug 13 22:53
schestowitzryan, it's COMIGN!Aug 13 22:53
schestowitzIce AGE!!Aug 13 22:53
MinceRDaemonFC taking the high groundAug 13 22:53
DaemonFCMinceR, The only way I could sink lower than schestowitz at this moment is if I started making Yo Momma jokes directed at himAug 13 22:53
DaemonFCso I'm not even going to tryAug 13 22:53
MinceRi'm not sure if he would even recognize the high ground if it knocked him over with a sign saying "hi, i'm the high ground"Aug 13 22:54
schestowitzTo the Daemon, everything is coldAug 13 22:54
schestowitzif you get my drift...Aug 13 22:54
schestowitzHe goes oppositeAug 13 22:55
schestowitzScience says it gets hotterAug 13 22:55
schestowitzHe says the oppositeAug 13 22:55
schestowitzYahweh grows beardAug 13 22:55
DaemonFCschestowitz, People think they deserve respect, like it's intrinsically implied because they existAug 13 22:55
DaemonFCbut then they don't respect othersAug 13 22:55
schestowitzThe daemon cuts stubble to the skinAug 13 22:55
DaemonFCand the system becomes the world we live inAug 13 22:55
MinceRDaemonFC: describes you pretty wellAug 13 22:55
schestowitz"Wildfires have also swept through northern Portugal, killing two firefighters and destroying 18,000 hectares (44,500 acres) of forests and bushland since late July. Some 600 firefighters were today struggling to contain 29 separate fires."Aug 13 22:56
schestowitzhttp://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/08/google-verizon-netneutralityAug 13 22:56
TechrightsBotTitle: A Review of Verizon and Google's Net Neutrality Proposal | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 25.61 KBAug 13 22:56
DaemonFCMinceR, Would you please fight with both your hands tied behind your back? K? Thanks!Aug 13 22:57
schestowitzhttps://secure.eff.org/site/Ecommerce?store_id=2441&JServSessionIdr004=ig6a6g0xy1.app202aAug 13 22:57
TechrightsBotTitle: Electronic Frontier Foundation:  .::. Size~: 22.84 KBAug 13 22:57
DaemonFCseems like what the rest of the world expects me to doAug 13 22:57
DaemonFCand then acts shocked and offended that I won'tAug 13 22:57
MinceRi'm not "the rest of the world"Aug 13 22:57
schestowitzThe rest of the world is mostly waterAug 13 22:57
schestowitzThe prripheryAug 13 22:57
schestowitzThe peripheryAug 13 22:57
schestowitzWe too are waterAug 13 22:58
DaemonFCYOu mean the stuff full of aquatic life forms that British Polluters hasn't managed to wipe out yetAug 13 22:58
DaemonFC?Aug 13 22:58
DaemonFC:DAug 13 22:58
schestowitzLike watermelon... with some carbon and calcium in itAug 13 22:58
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DaemonFCCalling Apple a control freak is kind of an understatement Aug 13 23:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @gregkh: #Linux 2.6.27.52-rc1 kernel now out for review. Any .27 users still around? Please test, it's important. Me: What Greg said.Aug 13 23:01
DaemonFCWho wants a device that can't run Flash?Aug 13 23:01
MinceRi do, just kill Trash firstAug 13 23:01
MinceRwith fireAug 13 23:01
MinceRstep 1 of the "you don't need a supercomputer to browse the web" programAug 13 23:02
DaemonFCFreedom from Porn! (And Youtube, and most video sites, and manynon-bideo sites)Aug 13 23:02
DaemonFC*insert lame excuse*Aug 13 23:02
DaemonFCblah blah battery drain blahAug 13 23:02
MinceRthey aren't even free from pr0nAug 13 23:02
DaemonFC*non-videoAug 13 23:02
MinceRwhatever browser hypeOS ships with doesn't have the pr0n warning, yet it will load still imagery of itAug 13 23:03
MinceRperhaps even mpeg-la-endorsed pr0n videosAug 13 23:03
DaemonFCSomeone told me the hypedevices don't run Flash and I thought they were shitting me until I read Jobs' diatribe about itAug 13 23:03
DaemonFCand yet people buy the damned thingsAug 13 23:04
MinceRto be fair, i'm not sure how much can Trash even function on a low-power ARM CPUAug 13 23:05
MinceRrender an animation of two non-antialiased lines extremely choppily?Aug 13 23:05
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/why-google-did-not-betray-the-internet/7139Aug 13 23:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Why Google did not betray the Internet | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 118.11 KBAug 13 23:06
DaemonFC<video>/path/to/pr0n.mp4</video><![if lt Firefox]><p>Please come back in a browser you've paid your taxes on!</p><![endif]>Aug 13 23:06
schestowitzwhat a fool. Look at the image: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/oracle-google-suit-challenges-open-source-establishment/7142Aug 13 23:07
DaemonFC:DAug 13 23:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle-Google suit challenges open source establishment | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 118.02 KBAug 13 23:07
MinceRwow, zdnet defends google with bullshit now?Aug 13 23:07
MinceRm$ didn't pay enough?Aug 13 23:07
schestowitzNoAug 13 23:07
DaemonFCnews site = mercenary parrots for hireAug 13 23:08
DaemonFCMinceR, Now you know!Aug 13 23:08
DaemonFC:DAug 13 23:08
MinceRknowing is half the battleAug 13 23:08
DaemonFCindeedAug 13 23:08
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] SCOracle, LOL http://www.itworld.com/open-source/117301/scoracle-weaponizes-javaAug 13 23:08
TechrightsBotTitle: "SCOracle" Weaponizes Java | ITworld .::. Size~: 79.44 KBAug 13 23:08
*voltronw (~voltronw@ip65-46-255-182.z255-46-65.customer.algx.net) has joined #boycottnovellAug 13 23:12
DaemonFCso, .NET patent lawsuits 0Aug 13 23:12
DaemonFCJava patent lawsuits, several?Aug 13 23:12
DaemonFC:DAug 13 23:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ECT is now publishing self-promotional pieces from companies themselves http://ur1.ca/14ss3 #badjournalism #pr #Gluster.Aug 13 23:13
TechrightsBotTitle: Welcome to LinuxInsider .::. Size~: 2.82 KBAug 13 23:13
MinceRm$ is more patient than larry ellisonAug 13 23:13
MinceRexcept as far as FUD goes, of courseAug 13 23:13
MinceRjava sw patent FUD used to attack competitors: 0Aug 13 23:14
MinceR.NET sw patent FUD used to attack competitors: lotsAug 13 23:14
MinceRbut guess what, you don't really have to use eitherAug 13 23:14
MinceRthere are platforms that don't depend on a single company, after allAug 13 23:15
DaemonFCso what about IcedTea/OpenJDK?Aug 13 23:15
DaemonFCare they as dangerous as Mono now? :)Aug 13 23:15
schestowitzI'm trying to come up with a funny logo for OracleAug 13 23:15
schestowitzI though about it today and withdrewAug 13 23:15
MinceRprobably not as dangerous as monoAug 13 23:15
schestowitzI didn't think of SCOracelAug 13 23:15
schestowitzLet me try something...Aug 13 23:15
MinceRjava still has official, Free Software support for multiple platformsAug 13 23:16
MinceRafaik sun/oracle hasn't attacked java developers with lawsuits or FUDAug 13 23:16
DaemonFCNovell might be able to pull off OOo fork now that Oracle is going around killing most of their open source projects and suing over the restAug 13 23:16
MinceR(that is, users of its VMs)Aug 13 23:16
MinceRyes, sadlyAug 13 23:16
MinceRsun/oracle probably still doesn't want to kill all of gnu/linux or all of free softwareAug 13 23:17
MinceRthe same can't be said about m$Aug 13 23:17
DaemonFCOracle is suingAug 13 23:18
DaemonFCMicrosoft isn'tAug 13 23:18
DaemonFCyou know it's all fun and games until someone gets suedAug 13 23:18
DaemonFC:DAug 13 23:18
MinceRbecause they're waiting for desktop gnu/linux to nicely suck up all of their patentsAug 13 23:18
MinceRwith a lot of help from your beloved canonical, of courseAug 13 23:18
MinceRand the agents sitting in GNOMEAug 13 23:18
DaemonFCthe status of IcedTea/OpenJDK is now debatable Aug 13 23:19
MinceRwhy blow it all on a cash grab now, like larry did?Aug 13 23:19
MinceR(maybe he wants a bigger yacht again...)Aug 13 23:19
DaemonFCpatent trollingAug 13 23:19
DaemonFCbuy Sun for their patentsAug 13 23:19
DaemonFCsueAug 13 23:19
DaemonFCprofitAug 13 23:19
MinceRof course i wouldn't want to invest in .net/mono ever, and i wouldn't want to invest seriously in java right nowAug 13 23:19
MinceRmight be thatAug 13 23:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Hey @wikileaks! http://www.tomscott.com/warnings/Aug 13 23:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Journalism Warning Labels « Tom Scott .::. Size~: 10.04 KBAug 13 23:20
DaemonFCPython is GPL 3Aug 13 23:20
DaemonFCisn't it?Aug 13 23:20
DaemonFCso you basically get a patent license if there are any patents owned by the authors of Python Aug 13 23:21
DaemonFCwhich I'm not sure there are anyAug 13 23:21
MinceRi think it's their own licenseAug 13 23:21
MinceRwhich i'm not quite familiar withAug 13 23:21
DaemonFCPython desktop applications seem to run better than ones in JavaAug 13 23:21
OsamaKSo is there any list of patents Microsoft sued people over? Someone claims that during the last 30 years Microsoft sued over 5 patents only.Aug 13 23:21
DaemonFCbut that's because Java uses bloated shit like JNIAug 13 23:21
DaemonFCPython has PyGTKAug 13 23:22
DaemonFCGTK+ runs fine on Windows Aug 13 23:22
DaemonFCand Ma?Aug 13 23:22
MinceRpython also has PyQt and PySideAug 13 23:22
DaemonFC*MacAug 13 23:22
DaemonFCQT runs on Windows and MacAug 13 23:22
MinceRgtk+ runs on macAug 13 23:22
MinceRwho cares about anything more?Aug 13 23:22
DaemonFCright, so trash JavaAug 13 23:22
MinceRif they wanted things to work well, they wouldn't be using a macAug 13 23:22
DaemonFCbuild something at least somewhate native-ishAug 13 23:22
DaemonFCin PythonAug 13 23:22
MinceRjava can use GTK+ and QtAug 13 23:22
DaemonFCI try to avoid Java applicationsAug 13 23:23
DaemonFCthey're almost never responsiveAug 13 23:23
DaemonFCand they always suck down a lot of resources for whatever thing it is they doAug 13 23:23
DaemonFCI never have a Java runtime anywayAug 13 23:24
DaemonFCif something says it needs Java, I find another program which doesn'tAug 13 23:25
DaemonFCand use thatAug 13 23:25
MinceRgood for youAug 13 23:25
MinceRmeanwhile, i look for the best tool for the jobAug 13 23:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Anonymous Mexican Blog Becomes Go To Source For Drug War Info, 'Pro' Journalists Upset http://dlvr.it/3m9cxAug 13 23:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Anonymous Mexican Blog Becomes Go To Source For Drug War Info, 'Pro' Journalists Upset | Techdirt .::. Size~: 25.35 KBAug 13 23:26
DaemonFChttp://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=FrackingAug 13 23:30
TechrightsBotTitle: Fracking - SourceWatch .::. Size~: 70.13 KBAug 13 23:30
DaemonFCFrack!!!Aug 13 23:30
DaemonFChttp://www.design-reuse.com/news/24044/multi-scheme-drm-meego-os.htmlAug 13 23:33
TechrightsBotTitle: Discretix Announces Multi-Scheme DRM Support For MeeGO Operating System .::. Size~: 60.13 KBAug 13 23:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #SCOracle [IMG] http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/SCOracle_logo.pngAug 13 23:33
TechrightsBotTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/png type .::. Size~: 0 KBAug 13 23:33
DaemonFCschestowitz, Now you have Mono and Microsoft PlayReady DRM on MeegoAug 13 23:33
DaemonFChave fun!Aug 13 23:33
MinceRthe real question is, to what extent will MeeGo ship with that crapAug 13 23:33
DaemonFCMinceR recommends Napster To GoAug 13 23:34
DaemonFCand Windows Vista BusinessAug 13 23:34
DaemonFC:DAug 13 23:34
DaemonFCoh sorry, that was DellAug 13 23:35
DaemonFCheheAug 13 23:35
schestowitz[23:21] <OsamaK> So is there any list of patents Microsoft sued people over? Someone claims that during the last 30 years Microsoft sued over 5 patents only.Aug 13 23:35
schestowitzFlorian said so?Aug 13 23:35
schestowitzHe said 4 in techrights over and over again. It's spin.Aug 13 23:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] I love the stink of #swpat law suits, smells like the upcoming holocaust we need to have before politicians finally endsoftwarepatents.orgAug 13 23:38
OsamaKschestowitz, no it was someone from the Arabic GNU/Linux community.Aug 13 23:39
OsamaKI wonder what you think.Aug 13 23:40
voltronwOsamaK: you won't get an answerAug 13 23:47
DaemonFChttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/virnetx_lawsuit/Aug 13 23:49
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft patent victor targets Apple, Cisco... • The Register .::. Size~: 28.6 KBAug 13 23:49
DaemonFCpatent troll finishes with MicrosoftAug 13 23:49
schestowitzhttp://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/08/13/1621222/How-Much-Smaller-Can-Chips-Go?from=rssAug 13 23:49
DaemonFCoff to suck more blood Aug 13 23:49
TechrightsBotTitle: Slashdot Hardware Story | How Much Smaller Can Chips Go? .::. Size~: 156.2 KBAug 13 23:49
schestowitzOsamaK: they extort by threatening to sueAug 13 23:49
schestowitzSometimes they file the paper and then squeeze out a settlementAug 13 23:49
schestowitzLike MelcoAug 13 23:49
schestowitzSo people never hear about itAug 13 23:50
schestowitzOracle is the man with the shotgun in the streets and Microsoft is like the mafia that takes the men to the 'back' with a baseball batAug 13 23:50
schestowitzvoltronw: you like .NET, right?Aug 13 23:51
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Are your friends getting furtive offers for international money laundering while you’re staring at a blank screen? http://is.gd/egEjCAug 13 23:56
TechrightsBotTitle: spam for life .::. Size~: 3.54 KBAug 13 23:56
DaemonFChttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367781,00.aspAug 13 23:57
TechrightsBotTitle:         Google Removes Some Pro-Hitler Android Apps | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com     .::. Size~: 76.2 KBAug 13 23:57
*oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovellAug 13 23:57
DaemonFCWhite Power!(.app)Aug 13 23:57
DaemonFC:DAug 13 23:57
schestowitzGoogledwin lawqAug 13 23:58
schestowitzDaemonFC: Michael Gartenberg is anti-AndroidAug 13 23:58
schestowitzProbably looking to daemonise itAug 13 23:59
schestowitzHe used to work for MicrosoftAug 13 23:59
schestowitzAs a TEAug 13 23:59
schestowitzNow he's a Microsoft booster full timeAug 13 23:59
DaemonFCso you're siding with HitlerAug 13 23:59
DaemonFCI see...Aug 13 23:59
DaemonFC:DAug 13 23:59

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