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schestowitzGene and raceAug 16 00:00
schestowitzNot synonymsAug 16 00:00
DaemonFCschestowitz, Hatred of homosexuals is not a religious thing Aug 16 00:00
DaemonFCit occurs detached from religionAug 16 00:00
DaemonFCthe Soviets didn't much like gays eitherAug 16 00:00
schestowitzSome people mix DNA and religionAug 16 00:00
schestowitzBecuase there's habitual correlationAug 16 00:00
schestowitzAlso geographicalAug 16 00:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: what about gay Soviets?Aug 16 00:01
DaemonFCschestowitz, Heres a thought for you....Aug 16 00:01
schestowitzYou treat gays like they are a mutally separate groups from SovietsAug 16 00:01
DaemonFCYou notice how many small time scams are run under the guise of the churchAug 16 00:01
DaemonFCor televangelism Aug 16 00:01
schestowitzEven though their momma is sovietAug 16 00:01
DaemonFClike Pat Robertson's Age Defying Protein PancakesAug 16 00:01
schestowitzYeahAug 16 00:01
schestowitzIt's the "God sent me" authority pleaAug 16 00:01
DaemonFCgullibility is geneticAug 16 00:01
DaemonFCjust like criminality can be geneticAug 16 00:02
schestowitzPay ME, for GODAug 16 00:02
schestowitzReligions are often scamsAug 16 00:02
schestowitzUsed to enrich those who actualise themAug 16 00:02
DaemonFCI don't think that all criminals are genetic criminals, especially not in the case of where the crime can lead to tangible gainsAug 16 00:02
schestowitzOr empower them, which in turn enriches themAug 16 00:02
DaemonFClike a bank robber is not necessarily a genetic criminalAug 16 00:02
DaemonFCbut a rapist could beAug 16 00:03
DaemonFCor a serial killerAug 16 00:03
schestowitzRapists spread DNA wellAug 16 00:03
schestowitzMaybe not in the modern worldAug 16 00:03
schestowitzBut historicallyAug 16 00:03
schestowitzAnd it's no advocacy of rapeAug 16 00:03
schestowitzJust the fact that reproduction of DNA depends on sex (impregnation)Aug 16 00:03
DaemonFCWhat's the benefit of being a serial killer?Aug 16 00:03
DaemonFCit's not moneyAug 16 00:03
DaemonFCit's not reproduction Aug 16 00:04
schestowitzWHat I don't get it (and don't be offended), why are gay genes not going extinct?Aug 16 00:04
schestowitzI mean, assuming these genes lead to less reproduction...Aug 16 00:04
schestowitzIn Animals tooAug 16 00:04
DaemonFCrecessive geneAug 16 00:04
DaemonFCsiblings reproduceAug 16 00:04
schestowitzWhat's that?Aug 16 00:04
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance_(genetics)Aug 16 00:05
TechrightsBotTitle: Dominance (genetics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 60.52 KBAug 16 00:05
schestowitzBut permutations/perturbations in genes don't matter among siblingsAug 16 00:05
DaemonFCIt's a gene that can be carried without expressing itselfAug 16 00:05
DaemonFCso maybe my brother reproducesAug 16 00:05
DaemonFCand it skips a generation or twoAug 16 00:05
DaemonFCand then suddenly it's back againAug 16 00:05
schestowitzBut your brother then carries it the other chain of moleculesAug 16 00:06
schestowitzDaemonFC: but probabilistically, it's supposed to be phased outAug 16 00:06
DaemonFCnot necessarilyAug 16 00:06
schestowitzUnless it's a unique genetic rairAug 16 00:06
schestowitz*traitAug 16 00:06
schestowitzI won't say characteristic or deficiencyAug 16 00:06
DaemonFCit would be phased out if it didn't further the survivability of the speciesAug 16 00:07
schestowitzActually, for survival of a spcies, homosexuality can sometimes be nbeneficial among coloniesAug 16 00:07
DaemonFChomosexual penguins adopt penguins whose parents have diedAug 16 00:07
schestowitzThey don't overpolulateAug 16 00:07
DaemonFCso it obviously serves a purpose thereAug 16 00:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] RT @schestowitz Oracle chops Sun HPC jobs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/sun_hpc_cuts_systems/ I missed this last week. #scoracleAug 16 00:07
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle chops Sun HPC jobs • The Register .::. Size~: 27.62 KBAug 16 00:07
DaemonFCright?Aug 16 00:07
schestowitzSo it could be argued that a population on a rut will outgrow its capacity to feed and reach war/famineAug 16 00:07
DaemonFCsome societies have encourages homosexuals to form military unitsAug 16 00:07
DaemonFCyou know that right?Aug 16 00:08
DaemonFC*encouragedAug 16 00:08
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schestowitzNope, never heard of itAug 16 00:08
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_GreeceAug 16 00:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Homosexuality in the militaries of ancient Greece - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 38.15 KBAug 16 00:08
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 00:08
DaemonFCnow you haveAug 16 00:09
schestowitzI know about AlexanderAug 16 00:09
schestowitzBut not read the aboveAug 16 00:09
schestowitzAnd he did have a kidAug 16 00:09
schestowitzWho died youngAug 16 00:09
schestowitzSeems more like he was a pedo by today's definitionsAug 16 00:10
schestowitzLike MoAug 16 00:10
DaemonFCdepends on which culture is judging I guessAug 16 00:10
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0807/wiesenthal-mosque-museum-grave-sites/Aug 16 00:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Wiesenthal Center opposes NYC mosque, supports museum on Palestinian graveyard |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 139.69 KBAug 16 00:10
DaemonFCpeople around him thought nothing of itAug 16 00:11
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0808/ted-olson-samesex-marriage-conservative/Aug 16 00:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Bush v. Gore lawyer: Same-sex marriage is a conservative value |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 50.25 KBAug 16 00:11
schestowitzAFAIK, Noah was the same Aug 16 00:12
schestowitzAnd Lott [spelling]Aug 16 00:12
DaemonFCschestowitz, If your theory is right, the gays will win in this court battleAug 16 00:12
DaemonFClots of divorce businessAug 16 00:12
schestowitzRaping everything, incest tooAug 16 00:12
DaemonFCfor the lawyers Aug 16 00:12
DaemonFCright?Aug 16 00:12
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 00:12
schestowitzGonadAug 16 00:12
DaemonFCWhat about GTB?Aug 16 00:12
DaemonFC:PAug 16 00:12
DaemonFC(Gonad The Barbarian!)Aug 16 00:13
DaemonFCheheAug 16 00:13
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0808/evidence-police-brutality-katrina/Aug 16 00:13
TechrightsBotTitle: New evidence of police brutality during Katrina |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 34.91 KBAug 16 00:13
schestowitzGWBAug 16 00:13
schestowitzSmear job: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10912548Aug 16 00:15
TechrightsBotTitle: BBC News - Craigslist accused of promoting 'prostitution'  .::. Size~: 49.05 KBAug 16 00:15
schestowitz"Craigslist founder Craig Newmark has yet to make an official reply to the open letter"Aug 16 00:16
schestowitzDaemonising him by posting his photoAug 16 00:16
schestowitzMSBBC is scummy sometimesAug 16 00:16
DaemonFCno class, all the time Aug 16 00:16
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 00:16
schestowitzCraig Newmark =PIMP, says the British most truthworthy pres ;(Aug 16 00:16
DaemonFCmaybe he can hook me up or somethingAug 16 00:17
DaemonFC*shrug*Aug 16 00:17
DaemonFC:PAug 16 00:17
schestowitzWatch the photo they usedAug 16 00:17
schestowitzHe's balding IIRCAug 16 00:17
schestowitzBut they have his dressed up like a pimpAug 16 00:17
DaemonFChmmm, yepAug 16 00:17
DaemonFClooks like a pimp to meAug 16 00:17
DaemonFCBitch, where's my money!?Aug 16 00:17
DaemonFC*slap*Aug 16 00:18
DaemonFCheheAug 16 00:18
schestowitz"This man will take your daughter to a brothel"Aug 16 00:18
schestowitzMSBBC also smears Wikileaks ATMAug 16 00:18
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/09/first-hand-accounts.htmlAug 16 00:19
TechrightsBotTitle: First-hand accounts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki  - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 117.16 KBAug 16 00:19
schestowitzUS did an experiment in JapanAug 16 00:20
DaemonFCuggghAug 16 00:20
schestowitzOn live targetsAug 16 00:20
schestowitzhttp://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2010/08/09/skype-files-for-ipoAug 16 00:20
TechrightsBotTitle: Skype Files for IPO | WebProNews .::. Size~: 36.51 KBAug 16 00:20
*DaemonFC had to tweak the Visual C project files for VorbisAug 16 00:20
DaemonFCthe ones supplied won't work right in Visual Studio 2010Aug 16 00:20
DaemonFCChrome won't compile with it either and I don't know where to start Aug 16 00:21
DaemonFCwtf did they do to this thing? :PAug 16 00:21
DaemonFCerr, Chromium that isAug 16 00:21
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DaemonFCVista Studio 2010Aug 16 00:22
DaemonFCis more like itAug 16 00:22
DaemonFC:PAug 16 00:22
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0809/georgia-pastor-arrested-protesting-demon-mascot/Aug 16 00:23
TechrightsBotTitle: Georgia pastor arrested protesting Demon mascot |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 29.52 KBAug 16 00:23
schestowitzhhe.Aug 16 00:23
schestowitzDaemon MascotAug 16 00:23
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/09/more-on-indiana-stat.htmlAug 16 00:24
TechrightsBotTitle: More on Indiana State Fair's doughnut burgers and fried everything - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 60.01 KBAug 16 00:24
schestowitzThey try to turn you into a pig againAug 16 00:24
DaemonFClmaoAug 16 00:24
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 16 00:24
DaemonFCthat's the state fair alrightAug 16 00:24
DaemonFCdeep fried butterAug 16 00:25
DaemonFComgAug 16 00:25
DaemonFCnom nom nom!!!Aug 16 00:25
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/09/sharon-tate-1968.htmlAug 16 00:25
DaemonFC:PAug 16 00:25
TechrightsBotTitle: Sharon Tate, 1968 - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 56.92 KBAug 16 00:25
schestowitz[00:25] <DaemonFC> deep fried butterAug 16 00:25
schestowitzSnake easts tailAug 16 00:25
schestowitz*eatsAug 16 00:25
DaemonFCTrotsky • #2 • 10:50 AM Monday, Aug 9, 2010 • Reply Aug 16 00:26
DaemonFCEvery time I read the words "fried butter," I throw up a little in my mouth...Aug 16 00:26
DaemonFCThen I deep fry the vomit and sell it for $5 at the Indiana State Fair!Aug 16 00:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: look where she sticks the fingerAug 16 00:26
DaemonFCROFLAug 16 00:26
FurnaceBoythese snakes are so fat they haven't seen their own tail in 25 yearsAug 16 00:26
schestowitzShe wants  deep fried butter Aug 16 00:26
schestowitzSurelyAug 16 00:26
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: the tails are impotentAug 16 00:26
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: did u see 'Splice'? don't bother. DON'T BOTHER.Aug 16 00:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, aged 40, the Haagen Dazs wins!Aug 16 00:27
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: so fat they get sucked into the airplane's toilet and stuckAug 16 00:27
DaemonFC:P\Aug 16 00:27
schestowitzWhat's what BP should have doneAug 16 00:28
DaemonFCschestowitz enjoys paying 40% tax so that his government can provide an in-home nurse to some 900 pound beached whale Aug 16 00:29
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 00:29
FurnaceBoyum.Aug 16 00:29
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: i doubt he pays 40%. I've always lived in supposedly high tax countries and i don't pay more than 20% in income tax.Aug 16 00:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: we don't have as much obesity as in the USAug 16 00:30
schestowitzObese people thrive around other obese peopleAug 16 00:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: besides, the NHS is the pride of Britain.Aug 16 00:30
schestowitzPeer influence, no pressureAug 16 00:30
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, Well, you do count all the layers right?Aug 16 00:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: +1Aug 16 00:30
schestowitzSouthern state and more and more of them become obeseAug 16 00:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: even if i did, don't care.Aug 16 00:30
schestowitz*statesAug 16 00:30
DaemonFCNHS and  HomeopathyAug 16 00:30
DaemonFCa winning teamAug 16 00:30
DaemonFCschestowitz approvedAug 16 00:30
DaemonFC:DAug 16 00:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: counting all the layers doesn't get much higher; very little of my spending is sales-taxed.Aug 16 00:30
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: relatively little*Aug 16 00:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: not for longAug 16 00:31
schestowitzPeople here work to put an end to itAug 16 00:31
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, First the Feds get you here, and you're looking at between 11-35% iirc, then the State of Indiana has a 3.5% flat tax on your gross income as wellAug 16 00:31
schestowitzHopefullt they won'tbe poisonedAug 16 00:31
DaemonFCthen the county typically takes 1-2%Aug 16 00:31
DaemonFCthen the state sales tax is 7%Aug 16 00:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: sure. but your problem is that services appear to be incompetently delivered.Aug 16 00:31
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: when you get everything you pay for, it tends to remove the need to bitch.Aug 16 00:32
DaemonFCsomeone gets everything I pay forAug 16 00:32
DaemonFCbut it sure as shit ain't meAug 16 00:32
DaemonFC:PAug 16 00:32
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: precisely.Aug 16 00:32
DaemonFCheheAug 16 00:32
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but you can always emigrate...Aug 16 00:32
schestowitzSome sociopathic  Homeopath might try to poison Dawkins by diluting aspirin in waterAug 16 00:32
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: I expect canada will still have you, as long as you can keep gun crime off your rap sheet.Aug 16 00:32
DaemonFCCanada would love meAug 16 00:33
DaemonFCI have much to teach itAug 16 00:33
DaemonFC:DAug 16 00:33
schestowitzActually, you don'tAug 16 00:33
schestowitzMaybe they can reform youAug 16 00:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: hardly worth refuting :)Aug 16 00:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they think they can teach everyone how to break society like theirsAug 16 00:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: the problem is when they break them at gunpoint...Aug 16 00:33
DaemonFCor send you to prison for defending your homeAug 16 00:34
DaemonFCyeahAug 16 00:34
FurnaceBoy...Aug 16 00:34
schestowitzMost used method is US.spreadDemocracy();Aug 16 00:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's a fantasyAug 16 00:34
DaemonFCCanada has no right to self defenseAug 16 00:34
DaemonFCwhich is fucked upAug 16 00:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: we don't need that shitAug 16 00:34
DaemonFCbecause you have timecopsAug 16 00:34
DaemonFCright?Aug 16 00:34
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: violent crime isn't an issue hereAug 16 00:34
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 00:34
DaemonFCsureAug 16 00:34
schestowitzCanada is increasingyl shy about the neighbour from the south being associated with itAug 16 00:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's like Siamese twins.Aug 16 00:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: if one gets drunk and falls into the pool, what you gonna do? :-XAug 16 00:35
schestowitzSooner or later the Ottawa buildings will have "I'm with Idiot ->" sprayed onto themAug 16 00:35
FurnaceBoyLOL!Aug 16 00:35
DaemonFCmore like America Jr.Aug 16 00:35
DaemonFC:DAug 16 00:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: Australia is more Americanised than Canada.Aug 16 00:35
schestowitzDaemonFC: there's one AmericaAug 16 00:35
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: guess which one I don't live in :)Aug 16 00:36
schestowitzJoined like an hourglassAug 16 00:36
schestowitzThe US is much smaller than CanadaAug 16 00:36
schestowitzAmerica is mostly CanadaAug 16 00:36
DaemonFC10 times the population Aug 16 00:36
DaemonFCin the USAug 16 00:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it would be kinda nice if we could skip the fat, stupid part and just skip straight to mexico where the food, culture, and women are hot.Aug 16 00:36
schestowitzDaemonFC: You have my sympathyAug 16 00:36
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, You mean the dire poverty and the high crime?Aug 16 00:37
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 00:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: in the US? yeahAug 16 00:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: and not overly demandingAug 16 00:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: would be great to skip that partAug 16 00:37
DaemonFCgo live in mud huts and drink contaminated waterAug 16 00:37
DaemonFCwork for $7 a day while you're at itAug 16 00:37
schestowitzI have Dutch friend who started a family in MexicoAug 16 00:37
schestowitzHis European wive escaped to NZ with his kidsAug 16 00:37
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: gosh, you'd think some of them would move north... Aug 16 00:37
schestowitz*wifeAug 16 00:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: fair dealAug 16 00:37
DaemonFCthey areAug 16 00:37
FurnaceBoyso are we off topic yet?Aug 16 00:38
schestowitzNoAug 16 00:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: just got back from EuropeAug 16 00:38
schestowitzWe talked about WW2 earlierAug 16 00:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: sorry I missed you ;-)Aug 16 00:38
schestowitzDaemonFC was cheering zyklone BAug 16 00:38
DaemonFCthe terrible crime committed against ONLY THE JEWSAug 16 00:38
DaemonFCBAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!Aug 16 00:38
Chips_B_MalroyDrugs wars in Mexico, big timeAug 16 00:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Financial Times had an article on tea party opposition to the 'mosque' 'at' ground zero.Aug 16 00:39
DaemonFCThe Jews get off on incessant bitching I guessAug 16 00:39
schestowitzIt's not ATAug 16 00:39
schestowitzIt's nearAug 16 00:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I know that. :)Aug 16 00:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's also not a mosque.Aug 16 00:39
schestowitzYeahAug 16 00:39
schestowitzI noticed the scare quotesAug 16 00:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: but never let the facts get in the way of a good bigot-festAug 16 00:39
schestowitzJust need to break apart the disinfoAug 16 00:39
schestowitzPat Pandell and lackeysAug 16 00:40
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i even drew their fire on twitterAug 16 00:40
DaemonFCI wish someone would ask them what they would like the world to do about it nowAug 16 00:40
DaemonFC65 years laterAug 16 00:40
DaemonFCyou know, in the presentAug 16 00:40
FurnaceBoydo about what? oh, I thought you meant falling buildingsAug 16 00:40
DaemonFCno, the holocaustAug 16 00:40
FurnaceBoyoh great, is this like Godwin Day?Aug 16 00:41
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/09/origami-frog-from-fb.htmlAug 16 00:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Origami frog from FBI's "unpublishable" seal  - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 36.24 KBAug 16 00:41
schestowitzHehe.Aug 16 00:41
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy, dO THEY ARREST nEO nAZIS IN cANADA?Aug 16 00:41
FurnaceBoyErlang was developed in Sweden.Aug 16 00:41
FurnaceBoyIn the Swedish culture self-promotion is considered extremelyAug 16 00:41
schestowitzMisapproporating FBI seal, after they had harassed sitesAug 16 00:41
DaemonFCSIMPLY FOR SPEAKING?Aug 16 00:41
FurnaceBoybad-manners.Aug 16 00:41
DaemonFCerrrAug 16 00:41
FurnaceBoy^^ Joe Armstrong, inventor of Erlang.Aug 16 00:42
DaemonFCdamned caps lockAug 16 00:42
DaemonFCseriously thoughAug 16 00:42
DaemonFCCanada has all those bogus hate speech lawsAug 16 00:42
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: we try not to let them in, truth be told.Aug 16 00:42
DaemonFCeven when you're not committing any real crimesAug 16 00:42
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: however, George Galloway was denied a visa too, and he's as far from a Holocaust denier as you can get.Aug 16 00:42
DaemonFCmost people are holocaust deniers Aug 16 00:43
DaemonFCthey deny that anyone other than some Jews were murdered in the HolocaustAug 16 00:43
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: it's funny how he got Tienanmen Square wrongAug 16 00:43
schestowitzBy accident, I bet thoughAug 16 00:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: you're dishonestAug 16 00:44
schestowitzpeople know it's various groupsAug 16 00:44
schestowitzNotably Jews, gays, gypsiesAug 16 00:45
DaemonFCschestowitz, notice that nobody even remember the 11 million Ukrainians?Aug 16 00:45
DaemonFCat allAug 16 00:45
schestowitzThat's a separate thingAug 16 00:45
DaemonFCrightAug 16 00:45
DaemonFCbut it never comes upAug 16 00:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: that's not Holocaust denial. that's "ignorance"Aug 16 00:45
DaemonFCit's denialismAug 16 00:45
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the Ukrainians are certainly remembered.Aug 16 00:45
schestowitzThe Holocaust with capital letter is a reference to one type of slaughhterAug 16 00:45
Chips_B_MalroyI thought the polish had many killed in the holocaust as wellAug 16 00:45
schestowitzSeparately from death in battle lines, famine, and Red murder in Russian, later ChinaAug 16 00:46
DaemonFCnobody wants to say that 50,000 murdered gay people was wrongAug 16 00:46
schestowitzI beg to differAug 16 00:46
DaemonFCbecause everyone secretly wishes they could just shoot the rest of us tooAug 16 00:46
FurnaceBoy...Aug 16 00:46
schestowitzPeople do talk about itAug 16 00:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: don't be projecting, now.Aug 16 00:46
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: not everyone is as ignorant about this stuff as those you apparently talk toAug 16 00:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: there are 'books'Aug 16 00:47
schestowitz[00:45] <Chips_B_Malroy> I thought the polish had many killed in the holocaust as wellAug 16 00:47
DaemonFCyeah, the books only mention JewsAug 16 00:47
DaemonFCtypicallyAug 16 00:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but everybody's too busy watching 'Jersey Shore' to read books, ehAug 16 00:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: nonsenseAug 16 00:47
schestowitzI don't think they were transported in trains to be incineratedAug 16 00:47
DaemonFCat least the books the government promotes in schoolsAug 16 00:47
schestowitzlast msg was to Chips_B_MalroyAug 16 00:47
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the books i've read talk about all the groups who died. that's "history".Aug 16 00:48
DaemonFCit's not discussed in American schools Aug 16 00:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: also the Ukrainian HolodomorAug 16 00:48
DaemonFCall they talk about is the JewsAug 16 00:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: pity. but I would never go there for objectivity.Aug 16 00:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: look at TX, etc.Aug 16 00:48
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: UtahAug 16 00:48
DaemonFCThe Jews apparently run everythingAug 16 00:48
schestowitzTexas *LOL*Aug 16 00:49
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it's a constant churn of revisionismAug 16 00:49
DaemonFCor at least it's easy to get that impressionAug 16 00:49
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schestowitzTexas teaches Christian version of historyAug 16 00:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yussAug 16 00:49
schestowitzIn Texas, it's the church that's the main issue in educaitonAug 16 00:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they dropped the ball on the whole separation church/state thing; like everything else French they renamed it 'Freedom' and just went on to do whatever they felt likeAug 16 00:49
*DaemonFC has never been to TexasAug 16 00:49
DaemonFCthat won't changeAug 16 00:49
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Lucaire.htm  "The best-kept secret in the U.S. about the Holocaust is that Poland lost six million citizens or about one-fifth of its population: three million of the dead were Polish Christians, predominantly Catholic, and the other three million were Polish Jews. The second best-kept secret of the Holocaust is the greatest number of Gentile rescuers of Jews were Poles, despite the factAug 16 00:50
TechrightsBotTitle: Holocaust: 3 Million Holocaust Victims Were Non-Jews .::. Size~: 23.4 KBAug 16 00:50
Chips_B_Malroythat only in Poland were people (and their loved ones) immediately executed if caught trying to save Jews"Aug 16 00:50
FurnaceBoywell, yes.Aug 16 00:51
schestowitzWhat ever happened to the Dutch family which hid the Fank family?Aug 16 00:51
schestowitz*FrankAug 16 00:51
FurnaceBoyfor fairly obvious reasonsAug 16 00:51
DaemonFCright, nobody wants to hear about dead gays, and the people that do tend to wish all gays would dieAug 16 00:52
FurnaceBoy?!Aug 16 00:52
DaemonFCsuch is lifeAug 16 00:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: you'd do a lot better if you prefixed everything you say by, "In the USA,..."Aug 16 00:52
DaemonFCit's not just the USAAug 16 00:52
DaemonFCit's peopleAug 16 00:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: but even so, that statement isn't even true within the USA.Aug 16 00:52
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: well let me tell you somethingAug 16 00:52
schestowitz[00:52] <DaemonFC> right, nobody wants to hear about dead gays, and the people that do tend to wish all gays would dieAug 16 00:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: yesterday I attended the gay pride parade in ZurichAug 16 00:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: do you know how many people attended?Aug 16 00:53
schestowitzMaybe they don't think of gay children and couplesAug 16 00:53
schestowitzSo sympathy is harder to attainAug 16 00:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: and can you describe the general level of tolerance for gay pride in the region?Aug 16 00:53
DaemonFCno ideaAug 16 00:53
DaemonFCthere's a gay pride parade in Ft Wayne tooAug 16 00:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: the event normally attracts a million people, more or less. In the streets. Aug 16 00:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: it is something to see.Aug 16 00:53
DaemonFCthousands of people show up for thatAug 16 00:53
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: One million.Aug 16 00:53
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Zurich, .ch?Aug 16 00:53
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesAug 16 00:54
schestowitzOK, so you travelAug 16 00:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: just got home some hours ago. :/Aug 16 00:54
DaemonFCbut 100 times as many say "Those damned fags, out parading agin, I wish I could just kill them all, disgusting, blecth!"Aug 16 00:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: sorry I missed you.Aug 16 00:54
DaemonFCso people on the whole are pretty damned shittyAug 16 00:54
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: in the USA, perhaps.Aug 16 00:54
schestowitzI was in Zurich like 10 timesAug 16 00:54
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i love itAug 16 00:55
schestowitzSummeAug 16 00:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: just regret not taking more photos this weekend :-XAug 16 00:55
schestowitzSucks in winterAug 16 00:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: though i got plety of the march, it was awesomeAug 16 00:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: heheAug 16 00:55
schestowitzGo to lake LuzernAug 16 00:55
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I can handle coldAug 16 00:55
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DaemonFCahhh coldAug 16 00:55
schestowitzThey no longer have the bridge thoughAug 16 00:55
schestowitzI still have footage from before it got burnedAug 16 00:55
DaemonFCas in cold showers with my clothes onAug 16 00:55
DaemonFCyesAug 16 00:55
schestowitzLast time I was in Zurich some girls came on to me :-pAug 16 00:56
DaemonFChttp://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/18/the-james-bond-shower-a-shot-of-cold-water-for-health-and-vitality/Aug 16 00:57
TechrightsBotTitle: 7 Health Benefits of a Cold Shower | The Art of Manliness .::. Size~: 152.22 KBAug 16 00:57
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0810/gibbs-crazy-liberal-drug-tested/Aug 16 00:57
TechrightsBotTitle: White House: Some crazy liberal critics of Obama ought to be drug tested |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 354.18 KBAug 16 00:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: :)Aug 16 00:58
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0810/ny-bus-ad-showing-mosque-burning-twin-towers-okd/Aug 16 00:58
TechrightsBotTitle: NY bus ad showing mosque, burning Twin Towers OKd |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 65.05 KBAug 16 00:58
DaemonFCYes, Bush wasn't half blackAug 16 00:58
FurnaceBoywtf @ busAug 16 00:58
DaemonFCclearly not like Bush at allAug 16 00:58
Chips_B_MalroyaemonFC> right, nobody wants to hear about dead gays, and the people that do tend to wish all gays would die"  At some point, I think turning this channel into a Gay rights channed is not helpful.Aug 16 00:58
schestowitzBush is from the 'hoodAug 16 00:58
FurnaceBoyChips_B_Malroy: that isn't going to happen on DaemonFC 's watch, apparentlyAug 16 00:59
schestowitzBut Bush was hanging around white people like DickAug 16 00:59
Chips_B_Malroy*channelAug 16 00:59
DaemonFCWe're going to the moon!Aug 16 00:59
DaemonFCJust me and Dick!Aug 16 00:59
DaemonFCgonna live in some Halliburton podsAug 16 00:59
DaemonFC:PAug 16 00:59
FurnaceBoyor, Dubai -- pretty close.Aug 16 01:00
FurnaceBoyabout as inhospitable as the moon.Aug 16 01:00
DaemonFCThis is DickAug 16 01:00
DaemonFCSe Dick RunAug 16 01:00
DaemonFCRun Dick RunAug 16 01:00
DaemonFCRun Home Dick!Aug 16 01:00
DaemonFC:PAug 16 01:00
DaemonFCThere was a psychiatrist named Richard that I had to deal with at one point years agoAug 16 01:01
DaemonFC"You don't mind if I call you Dick, do you?"Aug 16 01:02
DaemonFC"That's interesting, Dick!"Aug 16 01:02
FurnaceBoy...Aug 16 01:02
DaemonFC"Is that so, Dick?"Aug 16 01:02
DaemonFCheheAug 16 01:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "We can repair anything" [IMG] http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/10/we-can-repair-anythi.htmlAug 16 01:02
TechrightsBotTitle: "We can repair anything"  - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 38.12 KBAug 16 01:02
schestowitzDaemonFC: was he a small person?Aug 16 01:02
DaemonFCI kept calling him Dick at the end of every sentence Aug 16 01:03
DaemonFCI was like 7 years oldAug 16 01:03
DaemonFChe was trying to pretend like it didn't bother himAug 16 01:03
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: when did you turn 8 ? :PAug 16 01:03
DaemonFC1992?Aug 16 01:03
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schestowitzLittle Ryan liked big DickAug 16 01:04
DaemonFClmaoAug 16 01:04
DaemonFCMy third grade teacher asked me what I had for breakfast one morning (Because they said to eat breakfast because of the standardized testing bullshit that day)Aug 16 01:07
DaemonFCSo I told her I made some orange danish rolls Aug 16 01:07
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727426/us-government-fails-secure-websitesAug 16 01:07
TechrightsBotTitle:                     Us government fails to secure its websites - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 58.88 KBAug 16 01:07
DaemonFCshe was like "Orange danish! For breakfast!?"Aug 16 01:07
DaemonFCher eyes got real bigAug 16 01:07
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: would kids often skip breakfast?Aug 16 01:07
DaemonFCyeahAug 16 01:07
FurnaceBoywhy>Aug 16 01:07
DaemonFCanyway I shrugged and told her "Well, I usually have beer and pretzels, but I make do"Aug 16 01:08
DaemonFCand I got sent to the officeAug 16 01:08
DaemonFC:PAug 16 01:08
FurnaceBoylolAug 16 01:08
FurnaceBoyso wait, if she knew you, why was she so gullible? :)Aug 16 01:08
DaemonFCuhhm, I had been expelled from two schools by second grade Aug 16 01:09
DaemonFCand this was public school at this pointAug 16 01:09
DaemonFCand it's apparently harder to get rid of you from thereAug 16 01:09
DaemonFCI guessAug 16 01:09
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 01:09
FurnaceBoybut you triedAug 16 01:10
DaemonFCwell, you see, the story behind that was...Aug 16 01:10
DaemonFCMy parents are not really so much religious as outright crazyAug 16 01:10
DaemonFClike they see God the way most people around here doAug 16 01:10
DaemonFCthrow the salt over your shoulder in case he's watching Aug 16 01:10
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://advogato.org/person/LaForge/diary/117.htmlAug 16 01:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Advogato: Blog for LaForge .::. Size~: 5 KBAug 16 01:10
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 01:10
DaemonFCanyhow, I ended up in this Christian (Methodist) school for Kindergarten Aug 16 01:11
DaemonFCI didn't want to be there so I did everything I could think of to make it impossible for them to deal with meAug 16 01:11
DaemonFCfinally they threw me outAug 16 01:12
DaemonFCmission accomplishedAug 16 01:12
DaemonFCor so I thoughtAug 16 01:12
DaemonFCKindergarten wasn't mandatory back thenAug 16 01:12
DaemonFCyou could just start in 1st grade if you wantedAug 16 01:12
DaemonFCso for 1st grade, they put me in this Catholic schoolAug 16 01:12
DaemonFCthe kind that make you wear uniforms and all kinds of nonsenseAug 16 01:13
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: I saw thatAug 16 01:13
DaemonFCand attend mass Aug 16 01:13
schestowitzAlready in techrights linksAug 16 01:13
DaemonFCthey must have patience because I didn't get thrown out until a few months into the second grade Aug 16 01:13
DaemonFCcan't remember exactly what happened but I do remember someone was laughing at me over something stupid I had just done and I wasn't having any of itAug 16 01:16
DaemonFCso I threw my textbook at himAug 16 01:16
DaemonFCand got him right in the noseAug 16 01:16
DaemonFCand voila, no more Catholic schoolAug 16 01:16
DaemonFChad I known that you can't do things like that as an adult, I would have stocked up on those moments at that ageAug 16 01:18
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 01:18
FurnaceBoywell at least you did finally realise that.Aug 16 01:18
FurnaceBoyif kids knew more about adulthood, though, they might not bother with it. ;-)Aug 16 01:19
FurnaceBoythe state of childhood is self protective this way, like natural painkillers or something.Aug 16 01:19
DaemonFClike I said, I would have done more shit back then if I knew I wouldn't always be able to get away with itAug 16 01:20
FurnaceBoyor the hormones that make childbirth both bearable and forgottenAug 16 01:20
DaemonFCcause there's stuff that Officer Friendly just "discusses" with you at that ageAug 16 01:20
DaemonFCthat you go to jail for as an adultAug 16 01:20
DaemonFC:PAug 16 01:20
FurnaceBoysubtle, but true...Aug 16 01:20
FurnaceBoyalthough thinking up concrete examples where that's literally true is not so easyAug 16 01:21
DaemonFCmeh, like stealing stuff out of peoples carsAug 16 01:21
DaemonFCI used to do that as a childAug 16 01:21
DaemonFC:PAug 16 01:21
DaemonFCall the timeAug 16 01:22
DaemonFCI'm surprised I never got caught Aug 16 01:22
FurnaceBoychildren experiment with petty theft and suchAug 16 01:22
FurnaceBoyit's predictableAug 16 01:22
DaemonFCshopliftingAug 16 01:22
DaemonFCstuff like thatAug 16 01:22
FurnaceBoyyes.Aug 16 01:22
FurnaceBoyand a whole lot of other stuff.Aug 16 01:22
FurnaceBoybut influences, and what happens if they get caught, probably matter a lot.Aug 16 01:23
DaemonFCwell, I never did get caughtAug 16 01:24
DaemonFCmy parents would have killed meAug 16 01:24
DaemonFCI hated that damned Catholic school more than anything else in my entire lifeAug 16 01:26
DaemonFCthat place was nuttier than a fruitcake Aug 16 01:26
DaemonFC:PAug 16 01:26
schestowitzNutcake?Aug 16 01:27
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/41095-mac-pro-fully-loaded-29000Aug 16 01:27
*DaemonFC draws a cross on schestowitz's forehead in ashAug 16 01:27
*DaemonFC mumbles something about him and me later behind the alter in LatinAug 16 01:28
DaemonFClolAug 16 01:28
schestowitzTurn this bread into fleshAug 16 01:28
DaemonFChow the hell do I know what he was sayingAug 16 01:28
schestowitzI need protein :-)Aug 16 01:28
DaemonFCfreaked me outAug 16 01:28
schestowitz[01:28] <DaemonFC> how the hell do I know what he was sayingAug 16 01:28
schestowitzMaybe something about immature genitaliaAug 16 01:29
DaemonFCschestowitz, Then there was the time they tried to do an "exorcism" on meAug 16 01:29
DaemonFCin my aunt and uncle's churchAug 16 01:29
schestowitzIt's how they display it. It's like magic handshakesAug 16 01:29
DaemonFC"Presbyterian"Aug 16 01:29
schestowitzWhat do you call it when you take a lousy swim in a small bath and someone taps your head?Aug 16 01:29
DaemonFCthey tricked me into going into this room and then slammed the door shutAug 16 01:30
DaemonFCand this fat lady sat her huge bulbous ass on meAug 16 01:30
DaemonFCand told me she wasn't letting me up until I spoke in tongues Aug 16 01:30
DaemonFCso I mumbled a bunch of gibberish and said "Now will you PLEASE get your FAT ASS off of me!?"Aug 16 01:30
FurnaceBoy...Aug 16 01:30
DaemonFClolAug 16 01:30
schestowitzHeh. They get paid for itAug 16 01:31
schestowitzPutting their bums on childrenAug 16 01:31
DaemonFCI guess that church passes out fried butter as a sacrament Aug 16 01:31
DaemonFCor somethingAug 16 01:31
DaemonFCgod damn she was hugeAug 16 01:31
schestowitzDeep fried?Aug 16 01:31
schestowitzDeep dried deep fried dried butterAug 16 01:32
DaemonFCcoated in sugarAug 16 01:32
DaemonFCand dipped in cheese sauceAug 16 01:32
schestowitzRecursive crusts...Aug 16 01:32
DaemonFC:DAug 16 01:32
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/13/google-calls-oracle-android-lawsuit-baseless/Aug 16 01:32
TechrightsBotTitle: Google calls Oracle Android lawsuit 'baseless' .::. Size~: 63.48 KBAug 16 01:32
schestowitzAll your baseless are belong to usAug 16 01:32
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727575/pc-sales-falling?WT.rss_f=News&WT.rss_a=PC+sales+are+fallingAug 16 01:33
TechrightsBotTitle:                     Pc sales are falling - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 68.17 KBAug 16 01:33
schestowitzhttp://www.visitbritain.org/mediaroom/pressreleases/welcome.aspxAug 16 01:33
TechrightsBotTitle: welcome : VisitBritain Corporate site .::. Size~: 21.7 KBAug 16 01:33
DaemonFCI'm not religious because my immune system was built up at that ageAug 16 01:34
DaemonFCit's like having a smallpox party for the kids or somethingAug 16 01:34
DaemonFCYou know, get their little minds thinking.....What the HELL is this CRAP!?Aug 16 01:35
DaemonFC:DAug 16 01:35
DaemonFCschestowitz, The funny thing is that all the kids in those "Christian" schools tend to be spoiled bratsAug 16 01:36
DaemonFCwhen I say spoiled brats, I mean like kids of mafia bosses Aug 16 01:37
DaemonFCliterallyAug 16 01:37
DaemonFClike one of my classmates was from the Marcucelli familyAug 16 01:38
Chips_B_MalroyDaemonFC> I'm not religious because my immune system was built up at that age"  or perhaps you rebelled from religion because you were force feed a large dose of it at an early ageAug 16 01:38
DaemonFCsomething like that Aug 16 01:39
DaemonFCI just never could make sense of itAug 16 01:39
DaemonFCI tried but the more you ponder something like that the less sense it makesAug 16 01:40
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0811/grayson-bozo-spokesman-fired/Aug 16 01:41
TechrightsBotTitle: Alan Grayson: Obamas Bozo the Spokesman should be fired |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 73.64 KBAug 16 01:41
Chips_B_MalroyWe don't want no education, Teacher leave them kids alone.Aug 16 01:41
schestowitzhttp://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/entertainment/41123-wayne-newton-and-kris-kristofferson-in-fallout-new-vegasAug 16 01:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] It is not "why" but "how to" abolish software patents!Aug 16 01:42
schestowitz"New Vegas will feature a range of big name entertainers in the cast.  Developer Bethesda has lined up a bunch of award winning actors along with personalities such as Mr Las Vegas himself, Wayne Newton to feature in the follow-up to Fallout 3."Aug 16 01:42
DaemonFCChips_B_Malroy, I submitted all those documents as PDF so their MS Office can't chew them all upAug 16 01:43
DaemonFC:PAug 16 01:43
DaemonFCMS Office can't import PDF and screw it up can it?Aug 16 01:44
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/12/asa_expletive_ruling/Aug 16 01:45
TechrightsBotTitle: ASA: You can't say 'f**k' • The Register .::. Size~: 24.69 KBAug 16 01:45
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.care2.com/causes/politics/blog/republican-candidate-advises-immigrant-camps/Aug 16 01:45
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/12/smartphone_sales/Aug 16 01:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Smartphone sales up 50% • The Register .::. Size~: 24.05 KBAug 16 01:47
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: we have something similar hereAug 16 01:47
schestowitzUS govt. says 150k jobs, this one says: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0812/jobless-claims-jump-highest-level-february/Aug 16 01:48
TechrightsBotTitle: New claims for unemployment aid reach 484K |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 25.38 KBAug 16 01:48
DaemonFCObama was lucky he could hide behind the CensusAug 16 01:50
DaemonFCbut that is drying up right before the electionsAug 16 01:50
DaemonFCthe Democrats aren't going to fare wellAug 16 01:51
Chips_B_MalroyThe economy is probably goning to give the Aug 16 01:51
schestowitz*LOL* http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/bizarre/grope-claim-against-donald-duckAug 16 01:51
Chips_B_MalroyRepublicans big winsAug 16 01:51
TechrightsBotTitle: Grope Claim Against Donald Duck | The Smoking Gun .::. Size~: 49.84 KBAug 16 01:51
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.leftlanenews.com/ford-europe-sales-fall-22-percent.htmlAug 16 01:52
TechrightsBotTitle:    Ford Europe sales fall 22 percent  .::. Size~: 163.64 KBAug 16 01:52
schestowitz"Don't move. I'll go get you a towel"Aug 16 01:52
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I think SteveB's dad work/ed for themAug 16 01:52
Chips_B_MalroyHoward the Duck, maybeAug 16 01:52
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.slate.com/id/2263787Aug 16 01:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Why e-readers like the Amazon Kindle will soon cost less than $100. - By Farhad Manjoo - Slate Magazine         .::. Size~: 47.99 KBAug 16 01:53
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_BallmerAug 16 01:53
TechrightsBotTitle: Steve Ballmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 93.85 KBAug 16 01:53
schestowitzMicrosoft PR seems to have airbrushed his wikipedia articleAug 16 01:54
schestowitzAs usualAug 16 01:54
schestowitzDisgustignAug 16 01:54
schestowitzGlorifying thugs Aug 16 01:54
DaemonFCno, it's peer reviewedAug 16 01:54
DaemonFCand written on stone tabletsAug 16 01:55
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 01:55
schestowitzI can't find text which used to be thereAug 16 01:55
schestowitzIt's updated almost daily http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steve_Ballmer&action=historyAug 16 01:56
TechrightsBotTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden .::. Size~: 0 KBAug 16 01:56
schestowitz"andalism, balmer was not born in kabul/released from gitmo."Aug 16 01:57
schestowitz"undo vandalism/born in dumpster"''Aug 16 01:57
schestowitz"we DO NOT cite YouTube as a source for the existence of YouTube vids."Aug 16 01:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, I touched up the List of OOXML SoftwareAug 16 01:58
DaemonFCto read that it is a Microsoft formatAug 16 01:58
DaemonFCit did read "open" formatAug 16 01:58
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727672/the-palm-pre-os-bug?WT.rss_f=News&WT.rss_a=The+Palm+Pre+OS+can+bug+youAug 16 01:59
TechrightsBotTitle:                     The palm pre os can bug you - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 56.59 KBAug 16 01:59
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Ballmer's already-airbrushed Wikipedia 'article' is being vandalised http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steve_Ballmer&action=historyAug 16 01:59
TechrightsBotTitle: Revision history of Steve Ballmer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 82.18 KBAug 16 01:59
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.mint.com/blog/trends/recession-08132010/Aug 16 02:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Financial Fallout: The Surprising Effects of a Recession | MintLife Blog | Personal Finance News & Advice .::. Size~: 47.42 KBAug 16 02:00
DaemonFChttp://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_software_that_supports_Office_Open_XML&action=historysubmit&diff=379136160&oldid=374406673Aug 16 02:01
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DaemonFChehAug 16 02:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: in Aug. 18 you and Jabba carry marry in CaliforniaAug 16 02:01
DaemonFCno thanksAug 16 02:01
schestowitzJabba will wear the gownAug 16 02:01
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: thanksAug 16 02:01
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: Mint is MicrosoftAug 16 02:02
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0813/kan-gop-candidates-campaign-links-racist-blog/Aug 16 02:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Kan. GOP candidates campaign links to racist blog |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 35.27 KBAug 16 02:03
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/203224/ibm_buying_unica_for_480_million.html?tk=rss_news http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0813/lebanon-tv-stations-scrap-controversial-jesus-show/Aug 16 02:06
TechrightsBotTitle: IBM Buying Unica for $480 Million - PCWorld .::. Size~: 67.09 KBAug 16 02:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Lebanon TV stations scrap controversial Jesus show |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 24.95 KBAug 16 02:06
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/13/the-30-mosques-guys.htmlAug 16 02:07
TechrightsBotTitle: The "30 Mosques" guys visit "The Ground Zero Mosque" - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 96.68 KBAug 16 02:07
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.electronista.com/articles/10/08/12/analysts.say.android.passing.ios.near.blackberry/Aug 16 02:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Gartner: Android has overtaken iPhone worldwide | Electronista .::. Size~: 143.78 KBAug 16 02:10
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/13/opinion/13krugman.html?_r=1Aug 16 02:10
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Chips_B_MalroyParalysis at the FedAug 16 02:11
Chips_B_Malroy"Now, America?s current economic troubles aren?t exactly identical to those of Japan in 1999-2000: Japan was experiencing outright deflation, while we aren?t ? yet. But inflation is well below the Fed?s target of around 2 percent, and it is continuing to slide. And Americans face a level of unemployment, and sheer human misery, far worse than anything Japan went through."Aug 16 02:11
schestowitzhttp://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0814/fbis-white-supremacist-shock-jock-convicted-threatening-judges/Aug 16 02:12
TechrightsBotTitle: FBIs racist shock jock Hal Turner convicted of threatening judges |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 93.27 KBAug 16 02:12
Chips_B_Malroy"Yet the Fed is doing almost nothing to confront these troubles. "Aug 16 02:12
FurnaceBoyhttp://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/08/15/1417239 <-- but Flickr is usually blocked earlyAug 16 02:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] Why Free Software matters for a Free society http://bit.ly/cDE7cn thx @glynmoodyAug 16 02:46
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DaemonFChttp://www.pcworld.com/article/202713/more_than_1_in_10_mozilla_bug_finders_turn_down_cash.htmlAug 16 02:46
TechrightsBotTitle: More Than 1 in 10 Mozilla Bug Finders Turn Down Cash - PCWorld .::. Size~: 68.98 KBAug 16 02:46
DaemonFC"Ironically, it's Mozilla -- the project that's been built on free contributions -- that pays bounties for bugs, while its biggest competitor -- Microsoft -- has so far refused to pay out."Aug 16 02:47
DaemonFCWhy would Microsoft pay? Microsoft is pissed that you reported it and made them fix itAug 16 02:47
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 02:47
FurnaceBoyright, it's bad PRAug 16 02:51
FurnaceBoyand their real product is PRAug 16 02:51
FurnaceBoynot techAug 16 02:51
FurnaceBoySell the sizzle. Preferably don't even bother with the steak, it cuts into profit.Aug 16 02:52
FurnaceBoyBesides, the steak has maggots Aug 16 02:52
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DaemonFChttp://garwarner.blogspot.com/2010/04/fake-av-in-news.htmlAug 16 02:58
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DaemonFChehAug 16 02:59
DaemonFCthey stole Microsoft's "castle wall" clip artAug 16 02:59
DaemonFCnice touchAug 16 02:59
DaemonFChttp://www.net-security.org/malware_news.php?id=1428Aug 16 03:02
TechrightsBotTitle: Fake Malicious Software Removal Tool peddles fake AV .::. Size~: 20.34 KBAug 16 03:02
DaemonFChttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/reviews/display/9449?show=20&page=2Aug 16 03:04
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DaemonFC"I dont want this crap on my firefox, currently looking for how to get rid of it."Aug 16 03:04
DaemonFC"This AWFUL add-on gets snuck on during the guise of a "security" update! Are we all piling on Microsoft? Hell yes- and these are the kinds of reasons why! What is worse is when you go to uninstall it- it pretends to uninstall but then when you restart it is still there and the uninstall option is greyed out! PURE EVIL!"Aug 16 03:05
DaemonFC"This is proper Microsoft MALWARE - it installs without your permission and cannot be removed."Aug 16 03:05
FurnaceBoyMicrosoft Windows 7 Virus Edition(R)Aug 16 03:06
DaemonFC"Firefox was running great until.... this add on installed itself. Now it hangs, freezes and is incredibly s-l-o-w on numerous sties."Aug 16 03:06
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DaemonFChttp://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/25/firefox-default-manager-2-2-extension/Aug 16 03:07
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DaemonFC"I just noticed a new Firefox extension after uninstalling the Bing Toolbar and restarting the browser. The extension is called Desktop Manager 2.2, both the options and uninstall buttons are disabled, the only permitted action is to disable the extension."Aug 16 03:07
DaemonFChttp://support.mozilla.com/en-US/questions/693740?s=personas&as=sAug 16 03:08
TechrightsBotTitle: Bing as default url search | Firefox Support Forum | Firefox Support .::. Size~: 34.88 KBAug 16 03:08
DaemonFCMozilla allows Firefox to be trashedAug 16 03:08
DaemonFCand for Microsoft to delete all your other search engines and make Bing the defaultAug 16 03:08
FurnaceBoyBing's the thing!Aug 16 03:09
FurnaceBoyMake your searches sing!Aug 16 03:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@avilarenata Well said. While remembering the Rosenbergs we can look at the plight of Maher #Arar and Omar #Khadr. #cdnpoli #gwotAug 16 03:09
DaemonFChttp://www.ghacks.net/2010/06/25/uninstall-the-search-helper-extension-in-firefox/Aug 16 03:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Uninstall The Search Helper Extension In Firefox .::. Size~: 30.76 KBAug 16 03:09
DaemonFCanother Bingjacking add-onAug 16 03:09
FurnaceBoyAll kids love bing!Aug 16 03:10
FurnaceBoyI'd bing your mom!Aug 16 03:10
FurnaceBoy"Bing it!"Aug 16 03:10
FurnaceBoyBing it on!Aug 16 03:10
DaemonFCI already Binged yoursAug 16 03:10
DaemonFCand I've had betterAug 16 03:10
DaemonFC:PAug 16 03:10
FurnaceBoybadabing. :-/Aug 16 03:11
DaemonFCheheAug 16 03:11
FurnaceBoyWhen you're done banging on google, give it a bingAug 16 03:11
FurnaceBoybing's got pingAug 16 03:11
DaemonFCSweatyBingAug 16 03:11
FurnaceBoydoes 'bing' mean something in chinese? let's ask yuhongAug 16 03:12
DaemonFCso right, if you install Firefox on Windows, something will Bingjack it eventuallyAug 16 03:12
FurnaceBoysomething will put a ding in your wingAug 16 03:12
DaemonFCMicrosoft is paying all kinds of people to Bingjack FirefoxAug 16 03:12
FurnaceBoyka-ching!Aug 16 03:13
DaemonFCBing Bing Bing Bing Bing!!!!Aug 16 03:13
DaemonFCWhat do we have for him, Johnny?Aug 16 03:13
DaemonFC:PAug 16 03:13
FurnaceBoyI'll take door number NOT BINGAug 16 03:14
DaemonFCThat's OK, Bing doesn't care if you're willing or notAug 16 03:14
DaemonFCBing will Bing you so hard.....Aug 16 03:14
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 03:14
DaemonFCBing will Bing you so fast you won't know what Binged youAug 16 03:15
FurnaceBoyHave a fling with bing, it's the new thingAug 16 03:15
DaemonFC:DAug 16 03:15
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*DaemonFC leaves FurnaceBoy on an island with Windows Phone 7, a gun, and one bulletAug 16 03:20
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 03:20
FurnaceBoy:|Aug 16 03:20
*FurnaceBoy throws the WP7 into the sea, very farAug 16 03:20
FurnaceBoyDaemonFC: were you ever into interactive fiction -- text adventures?Aug 16 03:20
DaemonFCthe ones where you mark your place and check to see if the page you chose will kill you?Aug 16 03:21
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 03:21
DaemonFCor you mean old PC games like Zork and Adventure?Aug 16 03:22
DaemonFCor, Hunt The WumpusAug 16 03:23
DaemonFC:DAug 16 03:23
FurnaceBoyyeah, like colossal cave/adventureAug 16 03:23
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: I experimented with Visual Basic on Windows 3.1 with AdventureAug 16 03:24
DaemonFCI rewrote the whole thing as a Windows programAug 16 03:24
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 03:24
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Command_LineAug 16 03:28
TechrightsBotTitle: Command Line - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 32.97 KBAug 16 03:28
FurnaceBoyhmAug 16 03:30
DaemonFCI wrote part of thatAug 16 03:30
DaemonFClolAug 16 03:30
DaemonFChttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UbuntuAug 16 03:31
TechrightsBotTitle: Ubuntu - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 55.21 KBAug 16 03:31
DaemonFCand most of thatAug 16 03:31
DaemonFCit's been edited since, but oh well :PAug 16 03:31
DaemonFC"The conference call of the Cthulhu"Aug 16 03:33
DaemonFC:DAug 16 03:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: this guy is always worth reading. http://www.thestar.com/article/847882--siddiqui-de-encrypting-hypocrisy-of-blackberry-issueAug 16 03:34
TechrightsBotTitle: Siddiqui: De-encrypting hypocrisy of BlackBerry issue - thestar.com .::. Size~: 79.01 KBAug 16 03:34
DaemonFC"Ubuntu is always first and foremost guided by the Code of Conduct, a religious document written by L. Ron Shuttleworth, that depicts a Galactic Confederation, led by the Dark Lord Gatesu, who brought UNIX users to Earth in space planes that looked like DC-9 aircraft, and dropped them into volcanoes, and then detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes, all users of Microsoft Windows today are in fact tormented by these souAug 16 03:34
DaemonFC(short for THetans are not ThetaNs), and must be liberated by using Ubuntu and responding in the affirmative to peer pressure, even if the group is wrong, which the Code of Conduct says they never are."Aug 16 03:34
DaemonFC:DAug 16 03:34
DaemonFCheheAug 16 03:34
DaemonFCwhat other encyclopedia would allow me to refer to Xubuntu as a coat hanger abortion?Aug 16 03:36
DaemonFCB-)Aug 16 03:36
*DaemonFC loves UncyclopediaAug 16 03:36
DaemonFChttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/FreeBSDAug 16 03:38
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DaemonFChttp://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Richard_M._StallmanAug 16 03:41
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DaemonFCGrand Unified Theory of Free & Accessible Technology (GUTFAT)Aug 16 03:41
DaemonFC:PAug 16 03:41
DaemonFChttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/16/nyregion/16divorce.htmlAug 16 03:57
TechrightsBotTitle: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.01 KBAug 16 03:57
DaemonFCCategory: Sanctimony of Marriage Aug 16 03:58
DaemonFCFurnaceBoy: That's what I always say whenever one of those Christian groups asks me for my opinionAug 16 03:58
DaemonFC"I think we need to preserve the sanctimony of marriage"Aug 16 03:59
DaemonFCmost of the time they don't know what I just saidAug 16 03:59
DaemonFC:DAug 16 03:59
DaemonFCI think we need to send them some dictionariesAug 16 03:59
DaemonFCOpera isn't fixing my incompatible page reports latelyAug 16 04:03
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DaemonFChttp://my.opera.com/portalnews/blog/2010/08/10/the-uk-government-powered-by-9-year-old-browsersAug 16 04:06
TechrightsBotTitle: Opera Portal News - The UK Government: Powered by 9-year-old browsers? .::. Size~: 43.17 KBAug 16 04:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Severed Fifth 'Nightmares By Design' recording update - http://is.gd/ejs0m #severedfifthAug 16 04:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] ...and don't to forget to join http://is.gd/ejs61 - let's get a Free Culture band at Sonisphere! #severedfifthAug 16 04:28
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DaemonFChttp://torrentfreak.com/uk-movie-cammer-faces-jail-sentence-100814/Aug 16 04:34
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DaemonFCuggh, one of the patch tuesday bugs was in their MP3 decoderAug 16 05:42
DaemonFCREALLY?Aug 16 05:42
DaemonFCThey've been shipping that codec since 12 years agoAug 16 05:42
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] RT @schestowitz Oracle chops Sun HPC jobs http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/05/sun_hpc_cuts_systems/ I missed this last week. #scoracleAug 16 07:18
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Listening to 'Those Whom The Gods Detest' by Nile. Stunning, as ever.Aug 16 07:24
DaemonFCdohAug 16 07:39
DaemonFCI spilled coffee on my SansaAug 16 07:40
DaemonFCoh wellAug 16 07:40
*DaemonFC orders a new oneAug 16 07:40
*DaemonFC is glad he's not a cultist or that would have been a $200 fuck upAug 16 07:40
MinceR:>Aug 16 07:40
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 07:40
MinceRi wonder if they make waterproof PMPsAug 16 07:41
DaemonFCI decided to go for an 8 GB Clip+ this timeAug 16 07:41
DaemonFCI only use the thing for music, no reason to waste battery on backlit display and a bright LCD screenAug 16 07:41
DaemonFCthe Clip+ has an OLED display and arrow keys instead of the clickwheelAug 16 07:42
DaemonFCMinceR: Would probably help if I put it in one of those rubber cases they sellAug 16 07:42
DaemonFCbut I can't stand thoseAug 16 07:42
DaemonFCand it's not like they're a scratch magnet like the hypepodAug 16 07:43
DaemonFCyou don't even have to try to scratch the hell out of the hypepod Aug 16 07:43
DaemonFCa few days in your pocket and it'll look like you assaulted it with a screwdriverAug 16 07:43
DaemonFC:PAug 16 07:43
DaemonFCMinceR: Why make an ultra shiny glossy case if you have to cover it up with an ugly rubber case?Aug 16 07:44
DaemonFC(hypepod)Aug 16 07:44
MinceRbecause you will know it's in thereAug 16 07:45
DaemonFCwhat's the point of an attractive case you can't look at? :)Aug 16 07:45
MinceRand so will the other cultists who get a hardon for shiny white plasticAug 16 07:45
DaemonFCmine was blackAug 16 07:45
DaemonFCwhite electronics are blasphemy Aug 16 07:45
MinceRwhite is the official crApple color, thoughAug 16 07:46
DaemonFCI always buy the black version of whatever it is given the choice Aug 16 07:46
DaemonFCyeah, hope you don't smokeAug 16 07:46
DaemonFChope you don't smudge itAug 16 07:46
DaemonFChope the plastic doesn't start to yellow on its ownAug 16 07:47
DaemonFCblack doesn't show those thingsAug 16 07:47
MinceRi like black, but i don't buy crApple stuffAug 16 07:47
DaemonFCMinceR: I learned my lesson with the 5th gen ipod video I boughtAug 16 07:48
DaemonFCitunes blowsAug 16 07:48
DaemonFCthough Winamp has an ipod plugin tooAug 16 07:48
DaemonFCbut it's buggyAug 16 07:48
DaemonFCI had better luck on it with Rhythmbox or Banshee on LinuxAug 16 07:49
DaemonFCif that says muchAug 16 07:49
DaemonFCit's not worth dealing with shitty firmwareAug 16 07:49
DaemonFCjust buy something that lets you drag and drop files onto it as generic external storageAug 16 07:50
DaemonFCyou'll be happier that way :)Aug 16 07:50
DaemonFCoh, there's also that DoubleTwist program nowAug 16 07:50
DaemonFCthat claims to be able to sync an ipod, but that didn't exist when I had mineAug 16 07:51
DaemonFCMinceR: You need some of theseAug 16 07:52
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/Beats-Tour-High-Resolution-Headphones-Monster/dp/B001MS7JDK/ref=acc_glance_e_ai_BST_t_6Aug 16 07:52
TechrightsBotTitle: Amazon.com: Beats by Dr. Dre Tour High-Resolution In-Ear Headphones from… .::. Size~: 418.09 KBAug 16 07:52
DaemonFCto go with your ZuneAug 16 07:52
DaemonFC:DAug 16 07:52
DaemonFCThe Monster Cable scammers make "premium" earbuds nowAug 16 07:53
DaemonFCHP is selling a line of laptops now with "Beats Audio"Aug 16 07:54
DaemonFCthe whole brand is obviously a scamAug 16 07:54
DaemonFCI looked at their actual specifications and my no-name onboard audio exceeds themAug 16 07:54
MinceRi don't like in-earAug 16 07:54
DaemonFCyeah, they give you an earacheAug 16 07:55
DaemonFCand they don't sound that greatAug 16 07:55
MinceRi have clip-on supra-aurals now, but i think i'll go back to neckband supra-auralAug 16 07:55
DaemonFCCrapple is responsible for the in-ear budsAug 16 07:55
MinceRactually in-ear buds were around way before crApple decided they're going to make a crappy PMP imitationAug 16 07:56
DaemonFCthey just "made them cool"?Aug 16 07:56
DaemonFCI never noticed them before thatAug 16 07:56
MinceRin the eyes of the cultistsAug 16 07:56
MinceRwell, they weren't white beforeAug 16 07:56
DaemonFCthey suckAug 16 07:56
DaemonFCthe ones that come with the ipod suck as bad as the pair that came with both my SansasAug 16 07:57
DaemonFCI kind of consider them disposable Aug 16 07:57
DaemonFC:PAug 16 07:57
DaemonFCI like he ones that wrap around the back of your headAug 16 07:58
DaemonFCand clip onto your earsAug 16 07:58
DaemonFCthat way they don't yank your hair out if you try to lay down while wearing themAug 16 07:58
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 07:58
DaemonFCMinceR: Remember those horrible adjustable metal ones that used to come with those portable cassette players?Aug 16 07:59
DaemonFCyou'd lay down and your hair would get tangled in themAug 16 07:59
DaemonFC:PAug 16 07:59
DaemonFChttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=3901279&Sku=C44-3390Aug 16 08:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Creative Labs 70SB088600002 SoundBlaster X-FI Titanium Fatal1ty Pro PCIe Sound Card at TigerDirect.com .::. Size~: 142.07 KBAug 16 08:00
DaemonFChmmAug 16 08:00
DaemonFCCreativeAug 16 08:00
DaemonFCthe only way to guarantee it probably won't work right in Windows OR LinuxAug 16 08:01
MinceRi remember themAug 16 08:01
MinceR084843 < DaemonFC> I like he ones that wrap around the back of your headAug 16 08:01
MinceRthat's the neckbandAug 16 08:01
DaemonFCCreative is evilAug 16 08:01
MinceRmy only problem with it was that they conflict with winter clothingAug 16 08:01
MinceR(and mine broke)Aug 16 08:02
DaemonFCI conflict with going outside during winterAug 16 08:02
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 08:02
MinceR:>Aug 16 08:02
DaemonFCwhat's great is when it rains and it's like 10 degrees outsideAug 16 08:03
DaemonFCand its freezing as soon as it hits the groundAug 16 08:03
DaemonFCthen your power goes outAug 16 08:03
DaemonFCand of course the heat is electric Aug 16 08:03
MinceRyeah, sleety rain is annoyingAug 16 08:03
MinceRthe heat is delivered by hot water here, but it isn't too great -- not configurableAug 16 08:04
DaemonFCthe last apartment I lived in had a boiler/radiator systemAug 16 08:04
DaemonFCbut the landladies had it ripped out in the middle of winterAug 16 08:05
MinceRplus the pipes under the ground aren't insulated so when there's snow you can see where the pipes areAug 16 08:05
DaemonFCand then yelled at me for buying an electric radiator Aug 16 08:05
MinceRbecause there's no snow above themAug 16 08:05
MinceRbasically we pay to heat the streetAug 16 08:05
DaemonFCthat was about the time I moved out without paying my rentAug 16 08:05
DaemonFC:DAug 16 08:05
MinceR:>Aug 16 08:05
DaemonFCthe guy across the hall was doing the same thingAug 16 08:05
DaemonFCand we were laughing at each other and helping each other carry stuff down the stairsAug 16 08:06
DaemonFCthe landladies came back the next Monday and both apartments were empty :DAug 16 08:06
DaemonFCMinceR: They were OLD ladiesAug 16 08:07
DaemonFCand they chain smokedAug 16 08:07
DaemonFCand apparently they had whatever that condition is when you get old and are now comfortable between 90-110 degreesAug 16 08:07
DaemonFCso before they ripped the boiler out I had to open my windows in the middle of JanuaryAug 16 08:07
DaemonFCthey kept the whole building as hot and dry as the Sonora desert in the middle of a blizzard going on outsideAug 16 08:08
DaemonFCit made me constantly ill from the heatAug 16 08:08
DaemonFC:PAug 16 08:09
*DaemonFC dislikes old people in general, but ones like that especiallyAug 16 08:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Analysis of #Oracle vs. #Google licensing issues (#Java specification; #GPL vs. Apache) http://bit.ly/d4Sats #android #patentAug 16 08:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] A look back at Apple's recent blunders and the very latest news about an #Apple kickback scheme http://ur1.ca/15h9zAug 16 08:09
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DaemonFCall I can say is that I hope I die before I get like thatAug 16 08:10
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 08:10
*MinceR dislikes people in generalAug 16 08:10
DaemonFChelp annex the Sudetenland Aug 16 08:11
DaemonFCit will lend meaning to your lifeAug 16 08:11
MinceRಠ_ಠAug 16 08:11
DaemonFCMinceR: How much do you want to bet that the only difference between those generic touchpad mp3 players on ebay and the hypepod is different firmware, the "Apple" logo, and about $200?Aug 16 08:14
DaemonFC:DAug 16 08:14
DaemonFCI noticed they're all shipping from Hong KongAug 16 08:14
MinceRyesAug 16 08:14
MinceRand the "generic" firmware probably has about twice the functionalityAug 16 08:15
DaemonFCit doesAug 16 08:15
DaemonFCit listed jsut about every audio and video format worth supportingAug 16 08:15
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 08:15
DaemonFCplus Windows MediaAug 16 08:15
DaemonFC:PAug 16 08:15
cubevectorthe power of marketingAug 16 08:16
DaemonFCI remember the FFMPEG people announcing they had a WMA encoder Aug 16 08:16
cubevectoronce you get older it has less and less effectAug 16 08:16
DaemonFCbut they warned not to use it because it was totally broken and unoptimized Aug 16 08:16
DaemonFCso I replied that it should still be on par with Windows Media EncoderAug 16 08:16
MinceR:>Aug 16 08:17
cubevectorffmpeg works pretty goodAug 16 08:18
cubevectorperhaps not on wma, but in generalAug 16 08:18
DaemonFCI tried their WMA encoderAug 16 08:18
DaemonFCit sounded equally bad to WMA Encoder's outputAug 16 08:19
DaemonFCso mission accomplishedAug 16 08:19
DaemonFC:PAug 16 08:19
cubevectormy suggestion is to try to avoid wma or wmvAug 16 08:19
cubevectoravoid wm in generalAug 16 08:19
DaemonFCyeah, I have never used WMA except to play around with itAug 16 08:19
DaemonFCit's not even equal in quality to MP3Aug 16 08:20
DaemonFCmuch less superiorAug 16 08:20
DaemonFCMicrosoft kept making stupid announcements like "WMA 9 is 20% higher quality than WMA 8!"Aug 16 08:20
DaemonFCI think MPEG Cartel realizes that if they were to go after things like LAME, they'd risk scaring people off the formatAug 16 08:21
DaemonFCyou know what happened with Windows Media and Real formatsAug 16 08:22
DaemonFCRealAudio is now just their own proprietary wrapper for MPEG-4 audioAug 16 08:22
DaemonFCthey support HE-AAC and AAC LC profiles but put them in a RealAudio containerAug 16 08:24
DaemonFCso that they don't play on hardware that supports AACAug 16 08:24
DaemonFC:PAug 16 08:24
DaemonFCWhy didn't Dirac go anywhere?Aug 16 08:26
DaemonFCyou never see it aroundAug 16 08:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Microsoft: “If You Are Using High Contrast Display Mode in Windows, You May Have Difficulty Sending Mail.” http://ur1.ca/15he8Aug 16 08:27
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cubevectorBBC uses it I thinkAug 16 08:28
DaemonFCI still use my Hotmail accountAug 16 08:28
DaemonFCTLS started working again Aug 16 08:29
DaemonFCyayAug 16 08:29
DaemonFCI decided to use the webmail interface until TLS came backAug 16 08:29
cubevectorthat is another thing I avoid usingAug 16 08:30
cubevectoremail should really be text basedAug 16 08:31
DaemonFCyeah, well, what do you do? right?Aug 16 08:31
cubevectorwhat do I do? I use mutt Aug 16 08:31
DaemonFCit's not like Google isn't out to devour every last bit of your privacyAug 16 08:31
cubevectorI have my own mail serverAug 16 08:31
DaemonFCI could use my ISP emailAug 16 08:31
DaemonFCbut that's a trapAug 16 08:31
cubevectorhow so?Aug 16 08:31
DaemonFCyou cancel and your email account goes poofAug 16 08:32
DaemonFC:DAug 16 08:32
DaemonFCbesides, it's not really ISP emailAug 16 08:32
DaemonFCit's an @att.net addressAug 16 08:32
cubevectorwell, that's why running your own email server is good :)Aug 16 08:32
DaemonFCwhich is serviced by YahooAug 16 08:32
cubevectorit's not an easy thing to set up but it's worth itAug 16 08:32
cubevectorno poofAug 16 08:33
cubevectorpick any domain name you want and register itAug 16 08:33
DaemonFC"Perhaps most surprising of all is Microsoft's suggestion that mobile broadband users should ditch Internet Exploder and use Google's Chrome browser. That's probably the best advice that the Vole has given in years"Aug 16 08:35
DaemonFClolAug 16 08:35
DaemonFC"Microsoft also admits that a script executed by Hotmail causes browsers to run slowly. Apparently the slowdown is due to "running Messenger on the web in combination with a few other variables". Until Microsoft can release a fix, it recommends that users sign out of Messenger."Aug 16 08:36
*DaemonFC facepalmsAug 16 08:36
DaemonFCHotmail on Internet Explorer was fat at some point?Aug 16 08:37
cubevectornot just hotmail, but many other sites as wellAug 16 08:37
DaemonFC*fastAug 16 08:37
cubevectorHotmail used BSD at one pointAug 16 08:38
cubevectoranother advantage of having your own server, you can ssh into it from almost anywhereAug 16 08:39
DaemonFCPossible Problem CauseAug 16 08:40
DaemonFCThe browser used 'Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0;' and generated a malformed HTTP request. This problem should not be encountered by a stable commercial browser.Aug 16 08:40
cubevectorthen use a text based email clientAug 16 08:40
DaemonFCheheAug 16 08:40
cubevectoremail was never intended for file transfersAug 16 08:40
DaemonFCPossible SolutionContact your Web browser technical support team if the problem persists, and provide the team your account information.Aug 16 08:41
cubevectorone thing I found a bit curious was VRML disappearingAug 16 08:41
DaemonFCattachments won't download if you use Firefox or Opera in the webmail interfaceAug 16 08:42
DaemonFCbut they do work with IEAug 16 08:42
cubevectormy philosophy -> do as much as you can with text based programsAug 16 08:44
DaemonFCClementine works well on WindowsAug 16 08:45
cubevectorin fact I'm currently looking for a good ncurses chess clientAug 16 08:45
DaemonFCGNU/GNU/GNU Chess?Aug 16 08:48
cubevectorwith icsAug 16 08:48
DaemonFChttp://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/2009/08/sandisk-sansa-clip-plus-review.phpAug 16 08:49
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DaemonFCheheAug 16 08:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #IBM Challenges #Gartner Group’s Credibility http://ur1.ca/15hki #microsoft #fud #lotus #paytosay #exchangeAug 16 08:54
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DaemonFChehAug 16 09:03
DaemonFCRockBox not only supports the Clip+Aug 16 09:04
DaemonFCbut, you can boot into the original firmware if something goes wrongAug 16 09:04
DaemonFC:)Aug 16 09:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Upset about a mosque two blocks from Ground Zero? Imagine how about the Japanese feel about a U.S. military base 20 miles from Hiroshima!Aug 16 09:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Newsweek Managing Editor Carl Sullivan Works for #Microsoft Now http://techrights.org/2010/08/16/carl-sullivan-in-msn/Aug 16 09:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Confessions of a recovering environmentalist - http://bit.ly/dfE4Th nicely-written piece #environmentalismAug 16 09:18
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DaemonFChttp://www.anythingbutipod.com/archives/images/sansa-clip-plus/sandisk-sansa-plus-11.jpgAug 16 09:19
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DaemonFCPotential of 40 GB of Ogg Vorbis files in a device smaller than a cigarette lighterAug 16 09:19
DaemonFCthat's pretty coolAug 16 09:20
DaemonFCeven at q6, that's over 20 days worth of music on that thingAug 16 09:20
DaemonFCwithout repeating the same song twiceAug 16 09:20
DaemonFCI don't see device makers rushing to use ExFATAug 16 09:24
DaemonFCbut even 32 GB SD cards are rare at this pointAug 16 09:25
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] My Kinda Girl by Chickenfoot is one of my fave songs ever. Absolutely awesome. Kudos to my pal @pwgraner for introducing me to it.Aug 16 09:28
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DaemonFCMinceR: I'm still waiting for jono to cover DisturbedAug 16 09:47
DaemonFCthat would be an upgrade thoughAug 16 09:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] #severedfifth http://www.severedfifth.com http://is.gd/ejLCu http://is.gd/ejLGw http://is.gd/ejLHz http://is.gd/ecpn7 http://is.gd/ejLJYAug 16 09:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Consumentenbond, HCC, BOF protesteren tegen ACTA http://tinyurl.com/36835p8Aug 16 09:47
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schestowitzwth?Aug 16 09:47
DaemonFCheheAug 16 09:48
DaemonFCschestowitz is down with the MPEG-LA sicknessAug 16 09:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Bed for me, back to work tomorrow. :-) Night, all!Aug 16 09:48
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DaemonFCBacon flavored spamAug 16 09:49
DaemonFC:DAug 16 09:49
DaemonFCI should have known that Monster Cable was behind that Beats Audio crapAug 16 09:51
DaemonFChelping HP sell expensive laptopsAug 16 09:51
DaemonFC"Board is specifically laid out with attention to Digital to Analogue crossover.  Careful attention to layout give us very clean output with almost no line noise."Aug 16 09:53
DaemonFCThat was always an HP specific problem anyway as far as I knowAug 16 09:54
MinceRshouldn't an external audio device (therefore external DAC) help more?Aug 16 09:54
DaemonFCof course their typical integrated sound chipset makes crackling noise when something accesses the hard driveAug 16 09:54
DaemonFC"Added amplifier to assure strong and clean listening experience"Aug 16 09:55
DaemonFCexternal amp anyone?Aug 16 09:55
DaemonFC"Added Digital Signal Processor to dynamically enhance the sound profile.  The Beats Audio profile are tuned DSP settings that were designed with direct feedback from artists and music feedback."Aug 16 09:55
DaemonFCThat's the only thing I see that may actually helpAug 16 09:55
DaemonFCthe dedicated DSP might get the latency downAug 16 09:56
MinceRdistorting the sound to make it louder? :>Aug 16 09:56
DaemonFCeven in spite of Windows 7Aug 16 09:56
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Consumers, HCC, BSF protesting against ACTA [Google Translation] http://tinyurl.com/24mh8y4Aug 16 09:56
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DaemonFC"I can say that music from the Envy 15 sounds better when listening to headphones (Denon AH-D7000) compared to my 4 year old PowerBook. I had to return the Envy 15 because of the "horizontal lines" problem - but I'm now considering the Envy 13. Do you know if the sound system is the same on the 13 and 15?"Aug 16 09:57
DaemonFCroflAug 16 09:57
DaemonFCit sounds better than an old Crapple laptop!Aug 16 09:57
DaemonFCand it only cost me $1,000!Aug 16 09:57
MinceR:>Aug 16 09:57
DaemonFCbut of course I got the horizontal line problemAug 16 09:57
DaemonFCand had to ship it back to HPAug 16 09:58
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DaemonFCWhen my Monster Cable Beats Audio Dr. Dre approved HP laptop gets back, I'mma pwn all of j00z!Aug 16 09:58
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DaemonFCdamn, horizontal line problem againAug 16 10:00
DaemonFCto be continued in 4-6 weeks!Aug 16 10:00
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DaemonFCMinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oycP8woOxAUAug 16 10:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] So MSFT is cashing innovation tax (aka patent license money) for Android, now ORCL joins the scheme. And you still ask why #swpat are wrong?Aug 16 10:02
DaemonFCLimited EditionAug 16 10:05
DaemonFCLimited to however many they can sell youAug 16 10:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @pilhuhn RT @mwessendorf: Unsere Bank-Daten an die USA geben aber über Google Streetview aufregen. Sommerloch oder einfach Unfähigkeit?Aug 16 10:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer So MSFT is cashing innovation tax (aka patent license money) for Android, now ORCL joins the scheme.Aug 16 10:10
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[tracyrreed] Hidden message in Obama's signature: http://i.imgur.com/wnsxe.jpg WAKE UP SHEEPLE!Aug 16 10:11
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gnufreexHaha... Aug 16 10:12
gnufreexObaba is a dickAug 16 10:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Lists all open ports "netstat -anp --tcp --udp | grep LISTEN"Aug 16 10:14
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schestowitzgnufreex: try to find trianglesAug 16 10:16
schestowitzIlluminatiAug 16 10:16
schestowitzAnd circlesAug 16 10:16
schestowitzFlying saucers :-=)Aug 16 10:16
MinceRthere's also the illuminati logoAug 16 10:16
MinceR(pyramid with eye on top)Aug 16 10:16
schestowitzAnything with a triangle somehwere is part of a cospir~1Aug 16 10:16
gnufreexFlying saucers, lolAug 16 10:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft Security Issues in The British Press, #Vista and Vista7 No Panacea http://ur1.ca/15i7c #windows #securityAug 16 10:20
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schestowitz[10:21] <gnufreex> MinceR: Those OpenSolaris refuges also have something to do with that.Aug 16 10:21
schestowitz[10:21] <gnufreex> They call their fork IllumosAug 16 10:21
schestowitzYeah, I brought this upAug 16 10:21
MinceR:)Aug 16 10:22
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MinceRNovus Ordo SeclorumAug 16 10:23
gnufreexGreat Steal of United StatesAug 16 10:24
MinceR:)Aug 16 10:25
gnufreexHuh... somebody stole my pipeAug 16 10:25
gnufreexAnd tinfoil is missing too... it is consp~1Aug 16 10:26
gnufreex:)Aug 16 10:26
MinceRthey stole your tinfoil hat?Aug 16 10:26
gnufreexYeah, it is conspiracy!!!111Aug 16 10:26
MinceRthe foolsAug 16 10:27
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] If You Don't Get The Matching Brand Paper Towel Out Of A Dispenser In A Restroom... Is That Trademark Infringement? http://dlvr.it/3rrQtAug 16 10:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] 5 minutes for a full kickstart of my x335 servers is quite nice :-)Aug 16 11:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] #sparkleshare for #Fedora at http://is.gd/ejTZI - let's give it a tryAug 16 11:37
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Oh no - sparkleshare is .NET/MONO - why oh why?Aug 16 11:45
gnufreexWut... another Mono crapplication ?Aug 16 11:49
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Ruby 1.9.1-p430 is released http://tinyurl.com/2w5h4ge #ruby #linuxAug 16 11:52
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45977647#notice-46331719 "@schestowitz On a related note, I can't get over UK military still depending on IE6. Not that US mil is any better: all Windows."Aug 16 12:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Oracle America's complaint against Google, as text - http://bit.ly/aUBD8I with some useful thoughts on the details #oracle #googleAug 16 12:31
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Oracle Scorns Open Source: How to Respond? - http://bit.ly/dd6lAO lessons to be learned #oracle #google #android #javaAug 16 12:41
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Peter Sunde Explains The History Of The Pirate Bay: A Joke Where Lawyers & Politicians Missed The Punchline http://dlvr.it/3s234Aug 16 12:53
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schestowitzzoobab: did ebay stand behind one of the swpats initiatives?Aug 16 13:04
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schestowitzI seem to recall them listedAug 16 13:04
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Checked in at court house for jury duty. Of all citizen responsibilities I enjoy this one the most.Aug 16 13:37
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] “Microsoft is Cashing Innovation Tax (aka Patent License Money) for Android, Now Oracle Joins...” http://ur1.ca/15kjr #swpats #androidAug 16 13:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] "We should all be using free software" - http://is.gd/ek6HlAug 16 14:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fosspatents] Would #GPL v2 have helped #Google for #Java with implicit #patent grant? Serious doubt. http://bit.ly/bepA3t #Oracle #AndroidAug 16 14:20
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] "saw "The Merry Wives of Windsor:" which did not please me at all, in no part of it" - http://bit.ly/aWpwm7 Bill does not please SamAug 16 14:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] ACTA talks resume today in Washington with Round 10: Can US & EU bridge the divide on the scope of treaty? http://bit.ly/aL2WvPAug 16 14:29
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Gestures with multitouch in Ubuntu 10.10 (code published under GPLv3) http://goo.gl/RvUQAug 16 14:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Gestures with multitouch in Ubuntu 10.10 - http://bit.ly/aaZEOV an astronaut explains #ubuntu #multitouchAug 16 14:34
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] @glynmoody and again #canonical develop sth on it sown without caring for upstream integration or respecting upstream work on same stuff.Aug 16 14:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Considerations For FLOSS Hackers About Oracle vs. Google - http://bit.ly/97R3Qh sensible stuff #oracle #google #swpatsAug 16 14:46
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] @jwildeboer at least give them consistency...Aug 16 14:47
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @hfactor: RT @j4v4m4n #Debian turned 17 today! http://thank.debian.net/ Thanks to everyone behind this great project.Aug 16 14:49
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zoobabnice troll: http://techrights.org/2010/08/14/moglen-on-java-and-virnetx/Aug 16 14:52
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Once More (With Feeling): There's Still A Role For Record Labels... But It's Changing http://dlvr.it/3sDXLAug 16 14:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Proficiat met je 17e verjaardag Debian! http://tinyurl.com/2w8u2wgAug 16 15:01
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] RT @privacyint Just realised: US charges people at the border for the US-VISIT fingerprinting process. 6 USD per foreigner>>Bra-ziiiiiil..Aug 16 15:02
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Oracle vs. Google over Java in Android is only the start. http://bit.ly/bHSwQX This could get real ugly, real fast, for all #Java developersAug 16 15:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Oracle dumps OpenSolaris http://bit.ly/dsXQ7n And the handwriting is on the wall for other Sun open-source projects.Aug 16 15:07
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @orissaconcerns: Exhibition on Kandhamal by Dalit Artists- download posters 4 your kandhamal day programme http://bit.ly/a7UKmvAug 16 15:07
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Robert X. Cringely Shreds #Microsoft to Pieces While Fraud/Kickbacks Surface at #HP #Dell and #Intel http://ur1.ca/15lbgAug 16 15:08
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Oracle vs. Google over Java in Android is only the start - http://bit.ly/chYsoS almost as gloomy as my http://bit.ly/dd6lAO #oracleAug 16 15:09
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gnufreexSVJN is nothing but a FUDsterAug 16 15:10
gnufreexOpenSolaris was never open sourceAug 16 15:10
gnufreexSo that is not "atack on open source"Aug 16 15:10
gnufreexDalvk is competitor to Java, so oracle is not "Suing google over Java"Aug 16 15:11
MinceRi thought OpenSlowLarry's was open sourceAug 16 15:12
MinceRand Dalvik is pretty damn close to Java :>Aug 16 15:12
Diablo-D3OpenSolaris is open sourceAug 16 15:12
Diablo-D3Oracle has decided to no longer publish OpenSolaris reposAug 16 15:12
Diablo-D3and all future versions of Solaris will be 100% closed sourceAug 16 15:13
Diablo-D3and Dalvik is not a competitor to Java, nor is Apache HarmonyAug 16 15:13
Diablo-D3both are implementations of JavaAug 16 15:13
Diablo-D3Java is open source, as is Dalvik and HarmonyAug 16 15:13
Diablo-D3so Oracle suing Google over Dalvik is an attack on Free Software altogether.Aug 16 15:14
Diablo-D3remember, Dalvik and Harmony are licensed under FSF approved licenses.Aug 16 15:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] Meera Nair on AC & fair dealing:"The fact that material is copyrighted is not what entitles it to payment" http://bit.ly/9usTDRAug 16 15:20
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Diablo-D3gnufreex: so, if you're going to troll in here, you REALLY need to try harderAug 16 15:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @anivar RT @hfactor: RT @j4v4m4n #Debian turned 17 today! http://thank.debian.net/ Thanks to everyone behind this great project.Aug 16 15:24
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schestowitz[15:10] <gnufreex> SVJN is nothing but a FUDsterAug 16 15:29
schestowitzYeahAug 16 15:29
schestowitzYou beat me to itAug 16 15:29
schestowitzHe even adds FUD in TwitterAug 16 15:29
schestowitzAnd.........Aug 16 15:29
schestowitzHe links to thing he published on FridayAug 16 15:29
schestowitzTrying to raise #sAug 16 15:29
gnufreexDiablo-D3: Why you think I am trollin?Aug 16 15:30
schestowitzHe says it to everyone he does not agree withAug 16 15:31
MinceR"they see me trollin', they hatin'"Aug 16 15:31
gnufreexDiablo-D3: OpenJDK is under GPL. Patent grant is for GPL projectsAug 16 15:32
gnufreexNot for ApacheAug 16 15:32
Diablo-D3yes, and no one cares about the patent grant.Aug 16 15:32
MinceRwhy?Aug 16 15:32
gnufreexWhy Aug 16 15:32
gnufreex?Aug 16 15:32
Diablo-D3You _do not sue_ open source projects for patents.Aug 16 15:32
Diablo-D3Period.Aug 16 15:32
gnufreexApache Harmony is backed by IBM to undercut SunAug 16 15:33
MinceRsure, but if there's a way to apply the patent grant, it could help google winAug 16 15:33
gnufreexThat is well knownAug 16 15:33
Diablo-D3gnufreex: except this is why IBM gives up their softwareAug 16 15:33
MinceRalso, the patent grant might still apply to some projectsAug 16 15:33
Diablo-D3because IBM also knows IBM can't be trusted.Aug 16 15:33
Diablo-D3this is why we have numerous IBM projects given to apache and eclipse, and the eclipse foundation itself was started by IBMAug 16 15:33
Diablo-D3Java itself needs to be given to a third party neutral foundation that exists just to host JavaAug 16 15:34
Diablo-D3thats the only way to solve thisAug 16 15:34
Diablo-D3Oracle cannot be trusted with Java's futureAug 16 15:34
gnufreexIt is stuped to reimplement GPL'd project under Apache just because you don't like the licenseAug 16 15:34
Diablo-D3gnufreex: except Harmony came firstAug 16 15:34
gnufreexNot Google is going to pay for stupidityAug 16 15:34
gnufreexClasspath also came firstAug 16 15:34
Diablo-D3gnufreex: Harmony was already a spec compliant JVM before Sun released the source code under OpenJDKAug 16 15:34
gnufreexAnd GNU classpath comunity gave up Classparth, and moved to work on OpenJDKAug 16 15:35
gnufreexRead up on IcedTeaAug 16 15:35
Diablo-D3IcedTea was merely a project to ship a pre-OpenJDK fully Free Software JVMAug 16 15:35
Diablo-D3it was named so because OpenJDK is trademarked by SunAug 16 15:36
Diablo-D3the aim to make gcj work was very much secondaryAug 16 15:36
Diablo-D3everything since then has been merged back into OpenJDK trunkAug 16 15:37
gnufreexOpenJDK was not fully open source  when sun opened it, so GNU classpath guy gave up on claspath and started working to replace OpenJDK propriatary bitsAug 16 15:37
gnufreexThat project was called IcedTeaAug 16 15:37
Diablo-D3OpenJDK _didnt exist_ when Sun opened itAug 16 15:37
Diablo-D3the project itself was not open yetAug 16 15:37
Diablo-D3IcedTea was based on the original code releaseAug 16 15:37
gnufreexThat is what I am saying.Aug 16 15:37
Diablo-D3and as I said, it has long since merged back into OpenJDKAug 16 15:38
Diablo-D3and implying there is only one GNU Classpath guy is rather retardedAug 16 15:38
Diablo-D3several developers have commit rights for both OpenJDK and GNU ClasspathAug 16 15:38
gnufreexWho said there are one GNU claspath guy?Aug 16 15:38
Diablo-D3"so GNU classpath guy"Aug 16 15:38
gnufreexI said that GNU claspath guys and Red Hat started IcedTea project to replace propriatary bits Aug 16 15:39
gnufreexIn OpenJDKAug 16 15:39
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gnufreexAnd moved to work on OpenJDK, leaving claspath behindAug 16 15:39
Diablo-D3except replacing proprietary bits is also a function of OpenJDK itself.Aug 16 15:39
gnufreexSOme still work on Classpath, but it is not strategic anymoreAug 16 15:40
gnufreexSo what?Aug 16 15:40
Diablo-D3That may largely change if Oracle keeps this upAug 16 15:41
gnufreexWhat will change?Aug 16 15:41
Diablo-D3GNU may decide that we need a Java7 compliant Java implementation that doesn't use a VM at all.Aug 16 15:42
gnufreexSo?Aug 16 15:42
Diablo-D3Why do I feel like I'm talking to a wall and/or troll?Aug 16 15:43
gnufreexI don't know.Aug 16 15:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Is there something like #TweetBacks < http://danzarrella.com/beyond-tweetbacks-introducing-tweetsuite.html > which works with identica?Aug 16 15:45
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gnufreexDiablo-D3: You say that GCJ might get Java7 support? So, Oracle distributes it in OEL... so how can they sue? You distribute, you agree not to sue. That is why I asked "so?". Aug 16 15:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @ghaff: Max Headroom is out on DVD http://bit.ly/bnc9uA I'll definitely be checking out. Me: Loved the show.Aug 16 15:47
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Diablo-D3gnufreex: because Oracle wants to sue everybodyAug 16 15:48
Diablo-D3no matter whatAug 16 15:48
gnufreexDo you really belive that? Aug 16 15:49
gnufreexReasons for suing Google are clear.Aug 16 15:49
gnufreexSun wanted to do it, but they needed Google on their side.Aug 16 15:50
gnufreexOracle don'tAug 16 15:50
gnufreexIf Oracle want to sue everyone, they will lose. Aug 16 15:50
gnufreexThere was guy named Katzer...Aug 16 15:50
gnufreexIf you know what I mean.Aug 16 15:50
gnufreexSorry, not Katzer. He was defendentAug 16 15:51
gnufreexI meant JackobsenAug 16 15:51
Diablo-D3why dont we just sayAug 16 15:52
Diablo-D3there was once a company named SCOAug 16 15:52
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gnufreexYeah. My point exactly. When Oracle files baseles suit, they wil end up like SCO. This one is not baseles. Aug 16 15:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] G'morning, folks, back at the coal face after a few days off. How are we all today?Aug 16 15:57
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Check out this review of The Art Of Community - http://is.gd/ekdBx #artofcommunity #communityAug 16 15:57
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: FOX and HuffPo get harder to distinguish each weekAug 16 15:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] English-Marathi Mobile Dictionary http://www.khandbahale.com/Aug 16 15:58
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] What does the #Google #Verizon deal mean for #GNU/Linux and net neutrality? http://fsmsh.com/3387 #fsmag #freesoftwareAug 16 16:02
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Diablo-D3gnufreex: but heres the problemAug 16 16:04
Diablo-D3I believe this is exactly what will happen to OracleAug 16 16:04
Diablo-D3except, unlike SCO, they're suing the source of the problemAug 16 16:04
Diablo-D3SCO sued users, where instead SCO should have sued BSD distros and Linux distros and whoever else directlyAug 16 16:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Guardian launches governmental pledge-tracking tool - http://bit.ly/atJZM2 should be standard part of democracy #uk #ogovAug 16 16:05
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @dkusnetzky: New ZDnet post: Oracle ships VDI 3.2: http://bit.ly/9tOKXpAug 16 16:12
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gnufreexDiablo-D3: SCO sued everybody, IBM, the users (Lehman Brothers), everybodyAug 16 16:13
gnufreexBut let's see, I am not fan of Oracle, if they end up like SCO, that's fine with meAug 16 16:14
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Diablo-D3gnufreex: they threw in customesrs tooAug 16 16:15
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gnufreexDiablo-D3: Microsoft is going after users.  SCO sued everybody and their dogs. But most notable suit was against IBM and Lehman Brothers (which was Red Hat customer)Aug 16 16:16
FurnaceBoygnufreex: it's terribly sad for Sun tech though :(Aug 16 16:16
FurnaceBoygnufreex: just when they got their open on, under SchwartzAug 16 16:17
Diablo-D3gnufreex: its funny you mention MicrosoftAug 16 16:17
Diablo-D3the other day I was comparing Oracle to MicrosoftAug 16 16:17
Diablo-D3ie, I called the Microsoft 2.0Aug 16 16:18
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: Yes it is.  It is very sad. Aug 16 16:18
gnufreexDiablo-D3: I think Oracle is not worse than Microsoft.Aug 16 16:18
gnufreexThey are both dispicable, but in different ways.Aug 16 16:18
FurnaceBoygnufreex: yesAug 16 16:18
FurnaceBoygnufreex: Microsoft is still on the 'comes with every pc' booster rocket.Aug 16 16:19
FurnaceBoygnufreex: I am wondering now whether the "Oracle shouldn't own MySQL" tribe were right.Aug 16 16:20
FurnaceBoygnufreex: although there was nothing to be done about itAug 16 16:20
gnufreexI signed "Save MySQL" petition at very startAug 16 16:20
FurnaceBoyyes, but it was too late. the real death warrant was signed when MySQL AB allowed SUn to buyAug 16 16:21
gnufreexLater, when I saw what Muller is up to, I regretedAug 16 16:21
gnufreexNow I regret I regretedAug 16 16:21
FurnaceBoyheheAug 16 16:21
FurnaceBoywell, there was nothing that could be done.Aug 16 16:21
FurnaceBoyin the end Monty was wrong, just expressing his own post-facto regretsAug 16 16:21
gnufreexMuller didn't really wanted to all the way. Aug 16 16:22
gnufreexHe wanted to delay the merger, and that was it. Aug 16 16:22
FurnaceBoyright, but it was all fiddling while Rome burned. it was incorrect to locate the 'solution' as blocking Oracle.Aug 16 16:22
FurnaceBoythere was no legal or moral clarity in that.Aug 16 16:23
FurnaceBoyin reality it was simply too late, due to long-past decisions.Aug 16 16:23
gnufreexWell, the case was clear: Oracle is dominant DB companyAug 16 16:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[mgeist] RT @stevesong: Great NYT story on how scientific progress on Alzheimer's accelerated by open data sharing http://j.mp/aUoOkVAug 16 16:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] UK Tech Policy Scorecard - http://bit.ly/brnVmH "eGovernment, eDemocracy, public sector reform & parliamentary reform policies": cool #ogovAug 16 16:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] It's Official: People In Power Act As If They Have Brain Damage http://dlvr.it/3sMt0Aug 16 16:23
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FurnaceBoyon the bright side, it opens up healthy competition.Aug 16 16:23
gnufreexMySQL is top open source databasaeAug 16 16:23
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Diablo-D3no, that'd be sqlite.Aug 16 16:23
FurnaceBoywhich is what I said Monty should do: give up on MySQL, do something better, based on today's needs. it seems he's converging on that, slowly...Aug 16 16:24
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: Top multi-user. Sqlite is single user.Aug 16 16:24
Diablo-D3fine, pg.Aug 16 16:24
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: radically different markets.Aug 16 16:24
Diablo-D3...Aug 16 16:24
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: pg is smallerAug 16 16:24
*Diablo-D3 just lights everyone on fireAug 16 16:24
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: :PAug 16 16:24
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: pg is nice, though.Aug 16 16:25
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: in the end , Oracle owning mysql should be wonderful for Pg.Aug 16 16:25
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: heck of a gift ;DAug 16 16:25
Diablo-D3it isAug 16 16:25
gnufreexPostgres was better than Oracle around 2000Aug 16 16:25
gnufreexIt had beter performanceAug 16 16:25
Diablo-D3a lot of people are ditching mysql and are dumping use of mysql only shitAug 16 16:25
gnufreexAnd some feature parityAug 16 16:26
gnufreexPostgres can't succed as open source projectAug 16 16:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] It is hard to believe but 2 days before I have seen dream inside dream inside dream. Level 3. I was almost stuck for very long durationAug 16 16:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @alphadoggs: Modern Love: Is the Husband Going to Be a Problem? http://nyti.ms/bX2Ehk Me: Love & the ivory tower hells of tenure.Aug 16 16:26
gnufreexEvery compercialization of PG so far was making it propirataryAug 16 16:26
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FurnaceBoygnufreex: yes, that's a consequence of bsdAug 16 16:26
Diablo-D3and rememberAug 16 16:26
MinceRGPL can fix thatAug 16 16:26
Diablo-D3ASL is a BSD-alikeAug 16 16:26
FurnaceBoyMinceR: exactlyAug 16 16:27
gnufreexGreenPlum made OLAP, propritary, bought by EMCAug 16 16:27
gnufreexEDB is propriatryAug 16 16:27
gnufreexOnly distributor that makes source available is Red hatAug 16 16:27
FurnaceBoygnufreex: for pgsql? that's not the caseAug 16 16:28
gnufreexRed Hat distributes PostgreSQL in RHEL. Aug 16 16:28
FurnaceBoygnufreex: right, but it's not the case that other distributions don't offer source.Aug 16 16:29
FurnaceBoygnufreex: distros offer source regardless of licenseAug 16 16:29
gnufreexI mean only compercial distributor of _Postgres_Aug 16 16:30
Diablo-D3and I can get the source directly from pgAug 16 16:30
gnufreexNot Linux.Aug 16 16:30
Diablo-D3gnufreex: ermAug 16 16:30
Diablo-D3but that implies it IS a commercial distributionAug 16 16:30
Diablo-D3redhat doesnt provide pg support contractsAug 16 16:30
Diablo-D3only generic redhat onesAug 16 16:30
Diablo-D3there IS a commercial pg company, but no one does business with themAug 16 16:30
gnufreexRed Hat gives suport for Postgres on case by case basis... consultingAug 16 16:30
FurnaceBoygnufreex: in order to do that, you have to offer a 'certified' binary :)Aug 16 16:31
gnufreexCompercial PG company is EnterpriseDB. They make propriatry Postgres.Aug 16 16:31
gnufreexGreenplum also does that. Aug 16 16:31
gnufreexBut Greenplum doesn't contribute anything.Aug 16 16:31
gnufreexEDB just someAug 16 16:31
Diablo-D3yeah EnterpriseDBAug 16 16:31
Diablo-D3I forgot their name for a second =PAug 16 16:31
Diablo-D3gnufreex: btw, dont say PostgresAug 16 16:32
Diablo-D3either say PostgreSQL or just pgAug 16 16:32
FurnaceBoyheheAug 16 16:32
FurnaceBoyand especially don't say POSTGRESAug 16 16:32
gnufreexI will just say INGRESAug 16 16:33
gnufreex:-)Aug 16 16:33
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 16 16:33
FurnaceBoygnufreex: speaking of which, have you ever used their open source community edition?Aug 16 16:33
gnufreexYes I did, version.... I think 9Aug 16 16:33
FurnaceBoyyeah me tooAug 16 16:33
FurnaceBoyi guess that's the 2006 versionAug 16 16:33
Diablo-D3[11:23:34] <gnufreex> I will just say INGRESAug 16 16:34
Diablo-D3at that point we could just say microsoft sql serverAug 16 16:34
Diablo-D3dohohohohohoAug 16 16:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Hand May Be Forced - http://bit.ly/94qWwC ...to fork #OpenSolaris #oracleAug 16 16:34
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FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: Sybase.Aug 16 16:34
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: not sure waht you meanAug 16 16:34
gnufreexSAP bought SybaseAug 16 16:34
FurnaceBoyanyone here used Firebird?Aug 16 16:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @tuxmaniac: Multi-touch support lands in Ubuntu Maverick - http://blog.canonical.com/?p=414 #linux #ubuntuAug 16 16:35
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MinceRonly the Mozilla one. :>Aug 16 16:35
Diablo-D3FurnaceBoy: look at Sybase's rootsAug 16 16:35
FurnaceBoyMinceR: hrhrAug 16 16:35
gnufreexDiablo-D3: You mean Microsfot SQL server roots?Aug 16 16:36
MinceRbothAug 16 16:36
gnufreexWhat are roots of Sybase?Aug 16 16:36
MinceRingresAug 16 16:36
FurnaceBoyit's hardly surprising though that many products trace roots to Stonebraker's workAug 16 16:37
gnufreexI don't think soAug 16 16:37
FurnaceBoya bit like unix Aug 16 16:37
MinceRwikipedia thinks soAug 16 16:37
FurnaceBoyif you do something kickass and publish, naturally you'll be emulated^H^H flatteredAug 16 16:37
gnufreexhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SybaseAug 16 16:38
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gnufreexThere is no word IngresAug 16 16:38
gnufreexI did CTRL+F and typed ingresAug 16 16:38
gnufreexin FirefoxAug 16 16:38
FurnaceBoywell that's definitive, thenAug 16 16:38
FurnaceBoyTruth = Wikipedia + Ctl-FAug 16 16:38
FurnaceBoy* irc^2Aug 16 16:39
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MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ingres_%28database%29#Ingres_TodayAug 16 16:39
Diablo-D3Sybase is based on the work by the IngresAug 16 16:39
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gnufreexHe said Sybase is based on Ingres, and wikipedia say so. Word ingres would be mantinedAug 16 16:39
MinceR/SybaseAug 16 16:39
MinceRgnufreex: your wikipedia-fu is weak. :>Aug 16 16:39
gnufreexIngres originaly used QUELAug 16 16:40
gnufreexNot SQLAug 16 16:40
MinceRirrelevantAug 16 16:40
MinceR"Since the mid-1980s, Ingres has spawned a number of commercial database applications, including Sybase, Microsoft SQL Server, NonStop SQL and a number of others. Postgres (Post Ingres), a project which started in the mid-1980s, later evolved into PostgreSQL."Aug 16 16:40
Diablo-D3"Robert Epstein, the chief programmer on the project while he was at Berkeley, formed Britton Lee, Inc. along with other students from the Ingres Project, Paula Hawthorne and Mike Ubell; they were joined later by Eric Allman. Later, they founded Sybase."Aug 16 16:40
Diablo-D3thats three paragraphs above the ingres today blockAug 16 16:42
MinceRignore the fragment, DuckDuckGo put it there. :>Aug 16 16:43
FurnaceBoyanyway anyway anyway now that that's established .. how do we save the world?!Aug 16 16:43
gnufreexYeah. You are right. But they missed to mention Stonebaker.Aug 16 16:43
FurnaceBoygnufreex: pityAug 16 16:43
MinceRFurnaceBoy: save the cheerleader.Aug 16 16:43
FurnaceBoygnufreex: he published every step on the wayAug 16 16:43
FurnaceBoygnufreex: you've checked out his new VoltDB ?Aug 16 16:43
FurnaceBoygnufreex: it just left 'stealth' mode, and they're hiringAug 16 16:44
FurnaceBoyMinceR: who's the cheerleader?Aug 16 16:44
MinceRnever mindAug 16 16:44
gnufreexDidn't checked VoltDB yet, I need 4 servers to play, and we are full at work. Aug 16 16:44
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] REVIEW: #KDE SC 4.5.0 http://ur1.ca/15m6s more KDE: http://ur1.ca/15m6t http://ur1.ca/15m6uAug 16 16:45
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @mjasay: Oracle vs. Google: It's abt $ and something more: http://is.gd/ekgSGAug 16 16:46
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*FurnaceBoy goes to readAug 16 16:47
FurnaceBoywtfAug 16 16:47
FurnaceBoythis smellsAug 16 16:48
FurnaceBoyas expectd from AsayAug 16 16:48
gnufreexThis article is FUD...Aug 16 16:48
gnufreexMatt Asay is doucebagAug 16 16:48
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'Filing patent suits was never in #Sun’s genetic code' - James Gosling #java RT @sjvn @mjasay: #Oracle vs. #Google http://is.gd/ekgSGAug 16 16:49
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gnufreexHe even recomend .NET like de Icaza. Aug 16 16:50
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MinceRwell, canonical is pushing .net/monoAug 16 16:53
gnufreexOracle should sue Novell over Mono. It is same as Dalvik. It is incompatible with Java and competes with it. Aug 16 16:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] .@StrandedWind agree. it's an infantile culture, wilfullyuncorrectable since they place themselves apart from #civilisation's superego. #usaAug 16 16:54
FurnaceBoygnufreex: yes it appears so. but I expect it from himAug 16 16:54
sebsebsebSo did it just say that Konversation terminated?Aug 16 16:55
MinceRit didAug 16 16:55
gnufreex.NET tooAug 16 16:55
sebsebsebMinceR: ok thought soAug 16 16:56
*sebsebseb wonders where Desktop Linux is headingAug 16 16:56
sebsebsebwill things improve a lot when most distros that are popular do Gnome 3, for  exampleAug 16 16:57
sebsebseb?Aug 16 16:57
sebsebsebjono: so  I read somethng about how 10.10 won't get windicators?Aug 16 16:58
gnufreexDoes anyone know when Sun-Microsfot deal expires?Aug 16 16:58
gnufreexRoy, ?Aug 16 16:58
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] I am sorry, but I still hate the BBC News website design - it's so gappy. that is all. #bbcAug 16 16:59
gnufreexDoes anyone know when Sun-Microsfot deal expires? schestowitz ?Aug 16 16:59
MinceRsebsebseb: depends on whether the free software community can beat the cult of .net/monoAug 16 17:00
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] China overtakes Japan as world's second-largest economy - http://bit.ly/9QMV93 just one to go, then... #china #economicsAug 16 17:00
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MinceRif we can, then it's heading towards victory; if we can't, then it's heading toward its doom.Aug 16 17:00
MinceR(or at least obscurity)Aug 16 17:00
MinceR(as in, we can maintain a free fork, but we'll lack developers)Aug 16 17:01
gnufreexMinceR: Well, cult of Mono has already overtaken Ubuntu Forums which is biggest meating place, so prospects are bleak. That's why I hope Oracle destroys Mono. Aug 16 17:02
MinceRoracle seems to want to destroy java firstAug 16 17:03
MinceRwhich is a stupid moveAug 16 17:03
FurnaceBoysighAug 16 17:03
sebsebsebMinceR: uh whatAug 16 17:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Advertisers to Spend $1.7 Billion on Social Networks in 2010 - http://bit.ly/daKIOV but the interesting question is: who's losing out? #adsAug 16 17:03
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sebsebsebthey have destroeyd OpenSolarisAug 16 17:03
sebsebsebnow they want to destroy Jva?Aug 16 17:03
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: yesAug 16 17:03
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: yesAug 16 17:03
sebsebsebJava?Aug 16 17:03
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: yesAug 16 17:03
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: check recent suitAug 16 17:03
MinceRit isn't definite, but it seems soAug 16 17:03
MinceRsome damage has already been doneAug 16 17:03
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: it will cause industry to flee javaAug 16 17:04
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: recent suit?Aug 16 17:04
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: same story as solaris, etcAug 16 17:04
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: last week.Aug 16 17:04
sebsebsebI am behind on Linux newsAug 16 17:04
sebsebsebLinux and such newsAug 16 17:04
MinceRin my interpretation, the result of the oracle vs google suit will determine whether java is free softwareAug 16 17:04
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: google 'oracle google patents'Aug 16 17:04
sebsebseboh yesAug 16 17:04
sebsebsebof course thatAug 16 17:04
FurnaceBoyit's infuriatingAug 16 17:04
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Defending Free Software against Oracle's attack http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4309 #java #scoracleAug 16 17:04
sebsebsebhow Google did JavaAug 16 17:04
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sebsebsebin AndroidAug 16 17:04
gnufreexMinceR: They want to destroy everything but Java, starting with Dalvik. I would like them to kill mono fitst.Aug 16 17:04
sebsebsebI read something about thatAug 16 17:04
FurnaceBoySchwartz must be spinning in his spaAug 16 17:04
gnufreexHahahaAug 16 17:04
sebsebseband no I didn't google anythingAug 16 17:05
FurnaceBoyin fact. all the old Sun ppl must be furious. no wonder Gosling quit a while back.Aug 16 17:05
sebsebsebI remembered :)Aug 16 17:05
FurnaceBoysebsebseb++Aug 16 17:05
FurnaceBoygnufreex: of course. Mono deserves to die. Java doesn't.Aug 16 17:05
MinceRgnufreex: if java is considered to have value because it's free (and .net is not), then oracle succeeding with the suit will mean that java has no valueAug 16 17:05
FurnaceBoygnufreex: this is tragedy after everything Schwartz did to open itAug 16 17:05
sebsebsebanyway Solaris freewareAug 16 17:05
MinceRand the only ones who will keep using it will be the ones who are ignorant and the ones who think it's OK to depend on oracleAug 16 17:05
sebsebseband Solaris paid versionAug 16 17:06
sebsebsebbasicalleyAug 16 17:06
sebsebseband they could use an open source version for their advantage, but well,  Oracle is very much so a propritary software companyAug 16 17:06
MinceRi wonder if java and .net patents mean there's no room for a similar free bytecode vm in states that have sw patentsAug 16 17:06
sebsebsebwell I guess Solaris doesn't really matter that much anymore, since Linux distros and BSD?Aug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: you can bet the 'powers' would like to rule it out.Aug 16 17:07
MinceRindeedAug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: why else own MS + IV big patent bagAug 16 17:07
sebsebsebMinceR: was that an indeed @ me ?Aug 16 17:07
MinceRsebsebseb: nonfree unixes are practically deadAug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it's what it's forAug 16 17:07
MinceRsebsebseb: yesAug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: OPenSOlaris had a chanceAug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: not any moerAug 16 17:07
sebsebsebmoer ?Aug 16 17:07
*FurnaceBoy bitterly curses Larry, Bill and their ilkAug 16 17:07
MinceRwell, not any more since oracle killed itAug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoymore*Aug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: preciselyAug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: though, the zfs list is worth following.Aug 16 17:07
FurnaceBoyMinceR: particularly lately, as all the options forward are being discussed thereAug 16 17:08
gnufreexMinceR: Dalvik is not Java. It is competitor to Java. If Oracle abandons OpenJDK and then sues fork, that would be reason to worry. Aug 16 17:08
MinceRand along with it oracle practically killed SlowLarry's as wellAug 16 17:08
sebsebsebwell as long as Oracle don't mess up Virtualbox and Open Office :)Aug 16 17:08
sebsebsebas for Java well,  yes there are stil businesses and what not using it, but its not that popular on the web anymore, since dum de dum Flash!Aug 16 17:08
MinceRgnufreex: since it uses bytecode that was converted from Java bytecode, it's Java in a sense.Aug 16 17:08
sebsebseband a lot of businesses could really do with an upgrade to later stuff, but they have excuses to not do thatAug 16 17:09
gnufreexYeah, Mono is Java in a sense. It is a ripof of .NET which is ripoff of Java.Aug 16 17:09
MinceRgnufreex: suing someone for building free software based on Java means modifying Java is off limits -- which means Java is not free softwareAug 16 17:09
sebsebseband really this whole money system we have, and all the stupidity that comes with that, can go away, but no!Aug 16 17:09
MinceRif Java is not free software, then you depend on oracle for updatesAug 16 17:09
MinceRif you depend on oracle for updates then oracle determines what platforms you get to run it onAug 16 17:09
MinceRit's also a security issue thenAug 16 17:10
sebsebsebmoney this that and the other and companies,  what a sad developed world we live in really!Aug 16 17:10
FurnaceBoy:(Aug 16 17:10
gnufreexMinceR: Google didn't modify Java. They clean room reinplemented it in uncompatible way. And used giveawy licenseAug 16 17:10
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: riteAug 16 17:10
MinceRthe only way out of this is if the lawsuit somehow determines that modifying Java is allowedAug 16 17:10
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: you agree? or was that sarcasm?Aug 16 17:10
FurnaceBoygnufreex: google aren't stupid.Aug 16 17:10
MinceRor if oracle decides they allow it and commit to thatAug 16 17:10
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: i agreeAug 16 17:10
gnufreexMincer: It is similar what Microsoft did with J++Aug 16 17:11
MinceRgnufreex: did they not use an existing free class library implementation?Aug 16 17:11
MinceRgnufreex: m$'s intentions were hostile. google's aren't.Aug 16 17:11
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: yeah the young can't even buy a house of their own pretty easilly  these days, because of how things are, for exampleAug 16 17:11
sebsebseband the young are at a disadvantage when it comes to jobsAug 16 17:11
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Ubuntu Linux to go multi-touch http://bit.ly/csbuNo Touch isn't just for smartphone says Shuttleworth. #Linux #UbuntuAug 16 17:11
sebsebsebsince have to compete with older  people, who have actsaul experience, and uhAug 16 17:11
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MinceRthe only reason i found the suit against m$ acceptable was because it was clearly an attack on javaAug 16 17:12
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Evolution of Sharing - http://bit.ly/9PrSac I think this underplays the role of free software in driving this online #sharingAug 16 17:12
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sebsebsebon the subject of Ubuntu,  someone told me last night I guess it wasAug 16 17:12
sebsebsebthat its becoming more like LinspireAug 16 17:12
sebsebsebsounds about right I guessAug 16 17:12
MinceRgnufreex: also, what guarantees that Free forks of Java will not be deemed "competitors" by oracle?Aug 16 17:12
gnufreexMinceR:Yes, they used Harmony, which IBM used to undercut Sun. Harmony was good for flushing Sun to open Java, but then it should be abandoned and people should work on OpenJDK - the real deal. Like Classpath people did. Aug 16 17:13
sebsebsebactsaully I think he said this to me, twice recently or somethingAug 16 17:13
MinceRgnufreex: and sued in the same way?Aug 16 17:13
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: there is often a prejudice against age in hiring, though.Aug 16 17:13
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: look at the recent suit by Brian Reid against Google. quite interesting.Aug 16 17:13
MinceRgnufreex: should oracle use patent lawsuits to force people to abandon Harmony?Aug 16 17:13
Diablo-D3NEVVARRAug 16 17:14
sebsebsebanyway good luck Nexanta people and  the people working on the OpenSolaris fork, even though really these days,  Solaris and OpenSolaris aren't exactly needed, since Linux distros and BSDAug 16 17:14
gnufreexMinceR: Free forks can be competitors, but they are GPL and have ben dervied form Oracle code, so Oracle don't have a case against them.Aug 16 17:14
Diablo-D3THEY CAN TAKE MINCER BUT THEY SHALL NEVER TAKE MY JAVA!Aug 16 17:14
MinceRlolAug 16 17:14
*Diablo-D3 throws MinceR at Oracle, and runsAug 16 17:14
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Lady #Java http://techrights.org/2010/08/16/lady-java/ New promotional Java video from JavaZone #playoggAug 16 17:14
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*MinceR proves to be impossible to pick up for throwingAug 16 17:14
*sebsebseb thinks Desktop Linux sucks at the moment really, I mean all the popular distros are a bit sucky at the moment reallyAug 16 17:15
*MinceR thinks GNU/Linux is the least sucky desktop OS right nowAug 16 17:15
sebsebsebMinceR: I am not so sure about that for newbies anywayAug 16 17:15
sebsebsebtheres Ubuntu, but 10.04 is rather horrible reallyAug 16 17:15
sebsebsebMint is uhAug 16 17:15
MinceRubuntu is not the only wayAug 16 17:15
sebsebsebFedora and Debian aren't really for newbiesAug 16 17:15
sebsebsebMandriva and PC LInux OS are alright, but not amazing reallyAug 16 17:15
MinceRand there's no One Distro For All, probably not even for newbiesAug 16 17:16
sebsebsebOpenSuse is for nwebies, but well yeah Suse uhAug 16 17:16
MinceRopensuse is for scaring newbies awayAug 16 17:16
gnufreexMInceR: My point is: Don't trust companies, if you use lax license and then get sued, it is your fault. GPL has best defence against patents. If Harmony guys decided not to use GPL, then don't cry when you get sued. Aug 16 17:16
sebsebsebMinceR: how so?Aug 16 17:16
MinceRgnufreex: don't trust companies => don't trust oracle => don't rely on or invest in JavaAug 16 17:16
FurnaceBoygnufreex: GPL 3 specifically.Aug 16 17:16
sebsebsebanyway hopefuly Gnome 3 by default in distros, and things will get pretty good againAug 16 17:16
sebsebsebGNome 2 is rather old, and it is time for a change reallyAug 16 17:17
FurnaceBoyMinceR: EXACTLY!Aug 16 17:17
MinceRsebsebseb: *suse sucksAug 16 17:17
FurnaceBoyMinceR: which is why it spooks everyone on Sun techAug 16 17:17
sebsebsebas for KDE uhmm its ok, but  not that great, and still rather geekeyAug 16 17:17
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Radio, RIAA: mandatory FM radio in cell phones is the future - http://bit.ly/c6QLRZ desperately seeking ways of propping up old modelsAug 16 17:17
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sebsebseband LXDE and XFCE I can't see those going more properly main streame ever reallyAug 16 17:17
MinceRnow it is up to oracle to either lose the lawsuit or otherwise fix the situationAug 16 17:17
MinceRif they don't, then they own another .netAug 16 17:17
gnufreexMinceR and FurnaceBoy: GPLv2 has patent grant too. OpenJDK is safe.Aug 16 17:18
FurnaceBoyMinceR: i expect them to frack things up more and moreAug 16 17:18
FurnaceBoyMinceR: DNAAug 16 17:18
MinceRgnufreex: if i'm not allowed to modify OpenJDK then it's safe but not freeAug 16 17:18
*sebsebseb thinks its ashame that he can't promote Ubuntu to people at the moment, since how things are at the moment.Aug 16 17:18
*sebsebseb is thinking about giving up on Ubuntu IRC support untill 10.10, and then only a little bit I guess, if any reallyAug 16 17:18
FurnaceBoyMinceR: nice quote from GOsling in Asay blog: 'Quadrescence | Specifically an unlisted offer one of the guys at Symbolics sent me for a fully working lisp    │ LordNLptpAug 16 17:18
MinceRgnufreex: if i'm not allowed to use OpenJDK on my own bytecode VM then once again it might be safe but it's not freeAug 16 17:18
FurnaceBoyugh bad pasteAug 16 17:18
gnufreexMinceR: Yes you are. You are alowed to modify it. Aug 16 17:19
*sebsebseb used to be addicted to helping in #ubuntu in 2009 and such, and yes I know quite sad reallyAug 16 17:19
FurnaceBoyanyway, nice quote from Gosling there, 'patent suits are not in Sun's dna'Aug 16 17:19
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: sad? no.. that's actually the biggest channel on freenode last i checked.Aug 16 17:19
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: must be a madhouse ;-)Aug 16 17:19
MinceRgnufreex: if m$ and oracle use sw patents from dealing in free software bytecode vm-s then bytecode vm-s are not practically viableAug 16 17:19
FurnaceBoyMinceR: which invalidates half the industry.Aug 16 17:19
MinceRindeedAug 16 17:19
FurnaceBoyMinceR: proves patents are crazy ass BSAug 16 17:19
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: well yeah it was fun to help newbies from there and such, when the distro  didn't suck loads, but now it does suck loadsAug 16 17:19
MinceRwhich we already knewAug 16 17:19
FurnaceBoyMinceR: that's much bigger than java, .net, etc.Aug 16 17:19
FurnaceBoyMinceR: interestingly, objC is unaffected heheAug 16 17:20
MinceRFurnaceBoy: but apparently it's still not enough to prove that sw patents are bullshit to those who are in a position to eliminate themAug 16 17:20
FurnaceBoyMinceR: not yetAug 16 17:20
MinceRc++ is likewise unaffectedAug 16 17:20
FurnaceBoyMinceR: yesAug 16 17:20
MinceRand as an added bonus it's not as ugly as objcAug 16 17:20
gnufreexObj-C use managed code, I think Sun had few patents on that...Aug 16 17:20
MinceRgnufreex: that could expand the shitstorm over crApple :>Aug 16 17:21
FurnaceBoyMinceR: and probably quite a few FP languages that do native compilationAug 16 17:21
*sebsebseb wonders if Gnome 3 will improve Ubuntu, or if Canonical will start messing it up like they done with Gnome 2Aug 16 17:21
FurnaceBoyMinceR: haskell, ocaml, lisps, off the top of my headAug 16 17:21
gnufreexMinceR: Unfortunately, Steve Jobs is Larry's buddy. Aug 16 17:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] The Insanity Of Music Licensing: In One Single Graphic http://dlvr.it/3sT96Aug 16 17:21
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MinceRgnufreex: icAug 16 17:21
FurnaceBoygnufreex: ObjC managed code? explainAug 16 17:21
FurnaceBoygnufreex: ObjC compiles to nativeAug 16 17:22
gnufreexIt has way to compile managed too?Aug 16 17:22
gnufreex-?Aug 16 17:22
FurnaceBoygnufreex: not afaik.Aug 16 17:22
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: anyway I got other things I want to do, and IRC gets in the way of thatAug 16 17:22
MinceRi wonder if a business of hosting servers to do all sorts of general computing in states that have no sw patents (not allowed by law and not accepted by the local PO) would work any time soon :)Aug 16 17:22
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: me too; i used to do support in #mysql but no time for thatAug 16 17:22
FurnaceBoyMinceR: virtualbox, etc, escapes this bytecode crapAug 16 17:23
FurnaceBoyMinceR: pretty safeAug 16 17:23
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: my life is rather messed up really, and its time really, to try and sort it out a bitAug 16 17:23
sebsebsebstep by stepAug 16 17:23
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: ha, good plan. and good luck! mine too!Aug 16 17:23
MinceRFurnaceBoy: sure, but there are other sw patent issues tooAug 16 17:23
FurnaceBoyMinceR: yesAug 16 17:23
MinceRand the situation is growing worse all the timeAug 16 17:23
FurnaceBoyMinceR: Sun has strong consolidation tech, so it's Oracle vs MS on this oneAug 16 17:23
sebsebsebFurnaceBoy: pm~?Aug 16 17:23
MinceReventually it might be a good business case for companies to evade them like that :>Aug 16 17:23
FurnaceBoysebsebseb: any timeAug 16 17:24
gnufreexRelax, pepps. I don't think Oracle is affter anything else, just dalvikAug 16 17:24
MinceRFurnaceBoy: seems more like oracle vs everyone elseAug 16 17:24
FurnaceBoygnufreex: not YET.Aug 16 17:24
FurnaceBoygnufreex: but we know LE is a greedy, litigious assAug 16 17:24
MinceR(larry ellison is foaming at the mouth and breaking whatever he can)Aug 16 17:24
gnufreexHe might lose big time to googleAug 16 17:24
MinceRgnufreex: this is a question of principleAug 16 17:24
MinceRgnufreex: if oracle wins, java developers will have to worry about being the next targetAug 16 17:25
MinceRevery one of themAug 16 17:25
gnufreexMinceR: You mean principle against patents?Aug 16 17:25
MinceRand java users will have to worry when the jre will become nonfree and illegal to run on their platformAug 16 17:25
FurnaceBoy+1Aug 16 17:25
MinceRand when the jre will start to contain backdoors and suchAug 16 17:25
MinceRgnufreex: the principle of keeping the java platform freeAug 16 17:25
gnufreexThat can't happen. If I see Oracle close OpenJDK7 branch, I will start worry.Aug 16 17:26
gnufreexBut your concerns are valid... when I think again. Aug 16 17:26
MinceRthe issue is patents, not copyrightAug 16 17:27
gnufreexIt is releated. GPL'd Java is free. Other implementations are in danger. Aug 16 17:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Wrong on many points IMHO. But nevertheless an opinion on ORCL v GOOG http://is.gd/ekjIb #swpatAug 16 17:27
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MinceRafaik only GPL2'd java is freeAug 16 17:27
MinceRand we've already seen trick that circumvent the patent protection in GPL2Aug 16 17:28
MinceRs/ck/cks/Aug 16 17:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @ExpertVoice: rBuilder Offers Powerful, Bare-Bones Approach to Appliance Building by @TheTechScribe http://ow.ly/2qeSN Me: Agreed.Aug 16 17:28
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @geekygirldawn: If you missed my LinuxCon talk, "MeeGo: Where are we now", I posted some thoughts about it here: http://bit.ly/bjjPzJAug 16 17:29
gnufreexMinceR: Yes, but Microsoft is third party who never had anything to do with Linux. Oralce is legaly, creator of Java. And from legal point, they are one who opensourced it.Aug 16 17:29
MinceRwell, i'm not sure about the legal situation, that's why i'm waiting for the lawsuit to end in some way :)Aug 16 17:30
MinceRoracle's behavior is certainly not reassuringAug 16 17:30
gnufreexWorst way this lawsuit could end, would be a nondisclosed settlementAug 16 17:30
MinceRindeedAug 16 17:30
gnufreexThat would let FUD run wildAug 16 17:30
MinceRactually then i'd just avoid java from that point onAug 16 17:31
MinceRlike i avoid .net nowAug 16 17:31
MinceRand i'd recommend it to everyone elseAug 16 17:31
MinceRto do so, that isAug 16 17:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] The Insanity Of Music Licensing: In One Single Graphic - http://bit.ly/92XUT3 classic function creep #copyright #musicAug 16 17:31
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MinceRif oracle doesn't want me to use their platform then fuck them, i won'tAug 16 17:31
gnufreexYes, but that will mean they will go .NETAug 16 17:31
MinceRexactlyAug 16 17:32
gnufreexHow is that good?Aug 16 17:32
MinceRit isn'tAug 16 17:32
MinceRbut it will be less uncertain than it is nowAug 16 17:32
MinceRwhat's worse is what that means for other bytecode vm-sAug 16 17:33
gnufreexI am sticking with Java, Oracle can't kill OpenJDK. And I was thinking about getting about JBoss certificate, because I work with Jboss at work... :(Aug 16 17:33
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] 'Brian Wilson Reimagines Gershwin http://bit.ly/br0AH8 Me: I like this ideaAug 16 17:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] Oracle are getting it in the next at the moment and perhaps not without good reason. First, they buy over Sun and... http://fb.me/EBuImcNtAug 16 17:34
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MinceRit would be nice to know what we're guaranteed to be able to do with OpenJDK nowAug 16 17:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] TED: The New Harvard? - http://bit.ly/95rLMV but only for people who can't concentrate for more than 18 mins #ted #harvardAug 16 17:35
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MinceR:DAug 16 17:36
FurnaceBoyso, Gates Foundation just bought TED, didn't it? Discuss.Aug 16 17:36
MinceRthey did?Aug 16 17:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[fsmag] I've got over my recent touch of writer's block and managed to pen a few thoughts about the Google/Verizon... http://fb.me/xDw4yVj2Aug 16 17:38
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FurnaceBoyMinceR: i think so yes. i read it here.Aug 16 17:38
FurnaceBoyMinceR: and i threw up in my mouth a littleAug 16 17:38
MinceRwell, if people know what's good for them, they'll ignore TED and found a new alternative.Aug 16 17:39
Diablo-D3TED isnt badAug 16 17:41
Diablo-D3I listen to the speaker, not the fact they're speaking at TEDAug 16 17:41
MinceRDiablo-D3: FurnaceBoy said the gate$ foundation just bought itAug 16 17:41
FurnaceBoylet's see if we can find a citeAug 16 17:41
Diablo-D3MinceR: you cant own something like thatAug 16 17:41
Diablo-D3its a content distribution mediumAug 16 17:42
MinceRso?Aug 16 17:42
Diablo-D3[12:32:02] <Diablo-D3> I listen to the speaker, not the fact they're speaking at TEDAug 16 17:42
MinceRyou get to decide who gets to speakAug 16 17:42
Diablo-D3at TED, yesAug 16 17:42
Diablo-D3but they can speak anywhereAug 16 17:42
MinceRif your brand is strong, you get to set conditions for the speakers about what they can sayAug 16 17:42
FurnaceBoyMinceR: Huffington POst already syndicates GatesAug 16 17:43
gnufreexRHT stock is down, probably because Java FUD. Aug 16 17:43
Diablo-D3infact, Ive seen very interesting TED talks that wernt held at TED at all.Aug 16 17:43
MinceRsure, but you can raise attention to your sock puppets if you own the mediumAug 16 17:43
FurnaceBoyMinceR: there are fewer credible non-corrupted venuesAug 16 17:43
MinceRit can cause damage, though i'm not sure how muchAug 16 17:43
Diablo-D3MinceR: but there are many TED clones in existenceAug 16 17:43
FurnaceBoyMinceR: if it couldn't cause damage, he wouldn't have done it.Aug 16 17:43
MinceRbut if gate$ thought it worth buying then he probably thinks he can do a lot of damage through itAug 16 17:43
FurnaceBoyMinceR: there's an agenda at workAug 16 17:43
MinceRFurnaceBoy: exactlyAug 16 17:43
FurnaceBoycontrol.Aug 16 17:44
Diablo-D3MinceR: what I think you misunderstand isAug 16 17:44
Diablo-D3if it becomes public that its Microsoft ownedAug 16 17:44
FurnaceBoyespecially control of discourseAug 16 17:44
Diablo-D3the good speakers will just speak elsehwereAug 16 17:44
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: GF owned.Aug 16 17:44
Diablo-D3goddamnit why is everyone missing the point todayAug 16 17:44
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: GF is the 'other brand' supposedly unicorns, rainbows, and nothing to do with MSAug 16 17:44
Diablo-D3is it national point missing day or somethinAug 16 17:44
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: of course we know it's a lieAug 16 17:44
MinceRquestion is, how well does the public know that the GF is a scamAug 16 17:44
Diablo-D3ermAug 16 17:44
Diablo-D3seeing as the G stands for GatesAug 16 17:45
FurnaceBoyMinceR: the awareness isn't there yetAug 16 17:45
Diablo-D3and the Gates in question is BillAug 16 17:45
Diablo-D3thats sort of a 1:1 thing thereAug 16 17:45
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: most of the 'public' couch potatoes think he's a philanthropic SaintAug 16 17:45
MinceRDiablo-D3: there's a lot of "philanthropy" bullshit going aroundAug 16 17:45
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: that's WHY he created GFAug 16 17:45
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: reputation launderingAug 16 17:45
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: and now, to exercise maximum harmAug 16 17:45
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: while being a trojan horse of sortsAug 16 17:45
Diablo-D3MinceR: dudeAug 16 17:45
Diablo-D3Im donating money to my penisAug 16 17:46
*Diablo-D3 buys it a condom and a whoreAug 16 17:46
Diablo-D3look at me!Aug 16 17:46
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: perceptions.Aug 16 17:46
Diablo-D3Im a philantrophist!Aug 16 17:46
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: the perception is that he's a saintAug 16 17:46
MinceRDiablo-D3: people generally don't think that your penis is a worthy causeAug 16 17:46
Diablo-D3saint my ass.Aug 16 17:46
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: and you too, of course, with a big penisAug 16 17:46
MinceRDiablo-D3: of course it all depends on how you can advertise it.Aug 16 17:46
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 16/8/2010: Birthday of Debian, KDE SC 4.5.0 Coverage, Gestures With Multitouch http://ur1.ca/15mu3 #techrightsAug 16 17:46
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FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: You know he's not. WE know he's not. But the couch potatoes don't grok it.Aug 16 17:46
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: he's an American heroAug 16 17:46
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: the money godAug 16 17:46
FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: ends justify all meansAug 16 17:47
Diablo-D3dudeAug 16 17:47
Diablo-D3the couch potatoes are too busy rebooting windows boxen to even bother thinkingAug 16 17:47
Diablo-D3you give them too much creditAug 16 17:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Time for an OpenOffice.org Foundation - http://bit.ly/aRa0qA agreed - http://bit.ly/dd6lAO #openoffice #oracleAug 16 17:47
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MinceRthere's a spectrum thereAug 16 17:47
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FurnaceBoyDiablo-D3: quiteAug 16 17:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @TheTechScribe: Time for an OpenOffice.org Foundation And after last week, that time is definitely now. http://bit.ly/aEtv96 Me: Amen!Aug 16 17:48
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 16/8/2010: Birthday of Debian, KDE SC 4.5.0 Coverage, Gestures With Multitouch http://ur1.ca/15mu3 !techrightsAug 16 17:49
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Why Oracle's Java Copyrights Might Matter - http://bit.ly/cQRo5c interesting analysis #oracle #java #copyrightAug 16 17:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] BMJ Open: accessible medical research - http://bit.ly/btTOLH "open access journal for general medical research"; cool #bmj #openaccessAug 16 17:51
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @cdibona: See an oracle person using an android? They're violating copyright for millions of LOC from us and harmony. ASL Section 3.Aug 16 17:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @cdibona: See an oracle person using an android? They're violating copyright for millions of lines of code from us and harmony.Aug 16 17:58
gnufreexDiBona is wrongAug 16 18:03
gnufreex3. Grant of Patent License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this section) patent license to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell, import, and otherwise transfer the Work, where such license applies only to those patent claims licensable by such Contributor that are Aug 16 18:03
gnufreexASL section 3 apply on patents. Oracle just lost patent license for DalvikAug 16 18:04
gnufreexNot copyright.Aug 16 18:04
gnufreexIf google has patents on Dalvik, it can sue.Aug 16 18:04
gnufreexApache license is not copyleft license.Aug 16 18:05
gnufreexOracle didn't lost right to use dalvik copyrightsAug 16 18:05
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Michael Meeks: "try not to fall in love [with a technology], if a single company owns, and controls it." - http://is.gd/ekmtg #mono ? ;-)Aug 16 18:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Freakonomics Flips The Window: Releasing Movie Online Before In Theaters http://dlvr.it/3sYvVAug 16 18:15
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Sorry Tony Blair , you can't buy forgiveness and it appears nobody else thinks you can either.Aug 16 18:21
FurnaceBoyi'd like to see him try to bribe his way out of the ICC. uh wait, it's worked so far...Aug 16 18:22
FurnaceBoymoney == immunity, cf GatesAug 16 18:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] Listening to the new Iron Maiden album while working. So far so good.Aug 16 18:32
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] So, #IE is 15 years old. Let's make sure it never lives long enough to be able to vote. #diemicrosoftdieAug 16 18:36
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[anivar] RT @gkjohn: http://twitpic.com/2fcv9u - Frazer Town is 100 years old this month.Aug 16 18:38
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @HeathClancy: Cool! RT @WSJ: Three entrepreneurs who launched their companies for less than $150 http://on.wsj.com/9PTed5Aug 16 18:44
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Listening to EN5radio ! Great online radio station from Barnet, UK! http://www.en5radio.com/ #podcast #music #stream #radioAug 16 18:52
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*sebsebseb is enjoying doing some Mint supportAug 16 18:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Whats your favorite Linux podcast? #linux #podcast #foss #gnu #oggAug 16 18:55
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @cdibona: RT @joshbloch: Those who can, do; those who can't, sue. Or perhaps: Those who can, innovate; those who can't, litigate.Aug 16 19:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Ironically, when pushing for OOXML approval MS touted Apple software as proving that OOXML was not tied to Windows. http://bit.ly/brp2iqAug 16 19:11
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] Microsoft: With OOXML "Your documents might not look right and your spreadsheets might not calculate correctly" http://bit.ly/brp2iqAug 16 19:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] ♺ @rcweir Microsoft: With OOXML "Your documents might not look right, your spreadsheets might not calculate correctly" http://bit.ly/brp2iqAug 16 19:14
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schestowitz[15:58] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: FOX and HuffPo get harder to distinguish each weekAug 16 19:20
schestowitzAre they not opposites though?Aug 16 19:20
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] @rcweir Your source does not refer to #ooxml or a specific format but mentions inter-plattform interoperability / rendering challengesAug 16 19:23
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Tuned in ot live #lo :-)Aug 16 19:27
gnufreex"Mac might spoild your fun" Aug 16 19:29
gnufreexMicrosoft will spoil your fun for sure.Aug 16 19:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: noAug 16 19:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: we talked about this, it appears the role of HuffPo is to amplify the noise coming from foxAug 16 19:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: just another wall of the echo chamberAug 16 19:30
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: HuffPo allows fox to precisely define discourse, it's reactionaryAug 16 19:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: aparently this is Arianna's assigned role, so that she can party onAug 16 19:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: maybe she even thinks she's helpingAug 16 19:31
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] paper.li - http://bit.ly/9sP2Q3 - "organizes links shared on Twitter into an easy to read newspaper-style format" #twitterAug 16 19:31
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: salon has problems too. it's more and more talking to the convertedAug 16 19:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rather than being a critical forumAug 16 19:34
_GoblinFull circle podcast is not bad....Im quite interested even though not really an Ubuntu user.Aug 16 19:34
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[glynmoody] Russia launches inquiry into Pavlovsk seed bank after Twitter campaign - http://bit.ly/91nlT2 a relief, but not there yet #pavlovsk #russiaAug 16 19:35
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Thanks everyone for your favorite shows! Keep em coming! Im writing a piece on the most popular! www.openbytes.wordpress.com #linux #podcastAug 16 19:35
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: HuffPo is also syndicating some very questionable people, of course: Gates, and there was a weird injection of an article by Bonnie Fuller (wtf?!) on the breastfeeding issue (anti-health and pro-corporate)Aug 16 19:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it seems like another trojan horse whereby the perception is that it's progressive but in reality it's for poisoning the well Aug 16 19:38
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schestowitz[17:04] <FurnaceBoy> Schwartz must be spinning in his spaAug 16 19:45
schestowitzIs that a bad thing or a good thing?Aug 16 19:45
*schestowitz catches up (was out)Aug 16 19:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: makes no differenceAug 16 19:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it just must upset him, after all the years he put into opening up SUnAug 16 19:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he really got 'open', he knew it was the only way Sun tech would surviveAug 16 19:46
schestowitzI thought it was Leisure Larry spinning in his spaAug 16 19:46
schestowitzWith his 4 wivesAug 16 19:46
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Larry is just another sociopath...Aug 16 19:46
schestowitzJonathan is now a chair in some companyAug 16 19:47
schestowitzI don't know it he'll still bite from his small blogAug 16 19:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: right, but like Widenius, completely out of the picture ...Aug 16 19:47
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he knows it won't change anythingAug 16 19:47
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Kids In The Hall Admit They 'Pirate' Their Own Shows, Because They Can't Get Them Legally http://dlvr.it/3sjryAug 16 19:50
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ffii] #ACTA round 10 in DC http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5264/135/Aug 16 19:52
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] cool indie game dev Klooni #games releasing Mac versions. Check out "Cut It": http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/general/mac-version-of-cut-itAug 16 19:56
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schestowitz[17:21] <gnufreex> MinceR: Unfortunately, Steve Jobs is Larry's buddy. Aug 16 19:57
schestowitzTwo control phreaksAug 16 19:57
schestowitzExploiting FOSSAug 16 19:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: How can it be! They're like, Buddhist, and everything!Aug 16 19:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I guess being a billionaire BUddhist is where it's at!Aug 16 19:57
schestowitzSee Larry's houseAug 16 19:58
schestowitzLike a shrineAug 16 19:58
FurnaceBoyyes, i know.Aug 16 19:58
FurnaceBoyand steve has his mystical flirtationsAug 16 19:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: but you know, when the shit hits the fan, an organ transplant works better than meditation, i guessAug 16 19:58
schestowitzDoes Jobs have kids?Aug 16 19:58
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yesAug 16 19:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: famouslyAug 16 19:59
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Apple *Lisa* was rumoured to be named for his daughter, later estranged, and now reconciledAug 16 19:59
schestowitzIt's like HubboldAug 16 19:59
schestowitzBut the kid died on drugs overdosAug 16 19:59
schestowitz*seAug 16 19:59
FurnaceBoyHubbold? Hubbard? Myhrvold? Hubble?Aug 16 19:59
FurnaceBoyOld Mother?Aug 16 19:59
schestowitzHeh. My bad...Aug 16 20:00
schestowitzJobbardAug 16 20:00
FurnaceBoyheheAug 16 20:00
FurnaceBoyis that the new pejorative for Apple fans?Aug 16 20:00
FurnaceBoyjobtard?Aug 16 20:00
FurnaceBoyaptard?Aug 16 20:00
schestowitzThe thetans are the Apple logosAug 16 20:00
schestowitzYou collect them to be promotedAug 16 20:00
FurnaceBoylulzAug 16 20:00
schestowitzMac Minis don't count for muchAug 16 20:00
schestowitzThe idiots who buy Macbook AIR (*LMAO!!*) get manypointsAug 16 20:01
schestowitzFor scraping the bottom of Jobs' barrelAug 16 20:01
FurnaceBoylolAug 16 20:01
schestowitz[17:23] <FurnaceBoy> sebsebseb: ha, good plan. and good luck! mine too!Aug 16 20:02
schestowitzWhat's in Zurich then?Aug 16 20:02
schestowitzRich g/f?Aug 16 20:02
schestowitz[17:24] <gnufreex> Relax, pepps. I don't think Oracle is affter anything else, just dalvikAug 16 20:02
schestowitzBut they have side-effects, unintendedAug 16 20:03
schestowitz[17:24] <FurnaceBoy> gnufreex: not YET.Aug 16 20:03
schestowitz.NYET?Aug 16 20:03
schestowitzDA NYET?Aug 16 20:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmm?Aug 16 20:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: heh, noAug 16 20:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: that would be a win-win-winAug 16 20:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: as it happens, i screwed up, i should have taken more photos. it's a beautiful place.Aug 16 20:05
FurnaceBoygnufreex: just taking Dalvik's scalp is HUGE.Aug 16 20:06
FurnaceBoygnufreex: it means nobody can ever do anything like that, again.Aug 16 20:06
FurnaceBoygnufreex: bye, bye, javaAug 16 20:06
FurnaceBoygnufreex: these show trials always have a political componentAug 16 20:06
FurnaceBoygnufreex: and a deterrent, because they infinitely multiply the value of so-called 'IP'Aug 16 20:07
FurnaceBoygnufreex: it's worth the gambleAug 16 20:07
FurnaceBoygnufreex: look at SCO... FUD value incalculable. Risk: almost zeroAug 16 20:07
gnufreexhttp://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/Aug 16 20:11
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gnufreexDid someone read that?Aug 16 20:11
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FurnaceBoyAsay quoted from the preceding post.Aug 16 20:12
*FurnaceBoy readsAug 16 20:12
FurnaceBoynice postAug 16 20:14
gnufreexschestowitz: Do you know when Sun-Microsoft deal ends? That might be the day when Oracle sues Microsoft over .NETAug 16 20:14
FurnaceBoyisn't that a sign of the apocalypse ;-)Aug 16 20:14
*FurnaceBoy likes gosling more and moreAug 16 20:15
gnufreex.NET should be dead long agoAug 16 20:15
FurnaceBoygosling racked up some points by quitting post-takeoverAug 16 20:15
FurnaceBoygnufreex: yeah, but via a lawsuit?Aug 16 20:15
FurnaceBoygnufreex: i'd rather see it die simply by ppl figuring out it's a worthless trapAug 16 20:15
MinceRlawsuit would be fasterAug 16 20:16
gnufreexHaha... I don't care, just did. Aug 16 20:16
MinceRconsidering how slow most people areAug 16 20:16
gnufreex*just dieAug 16 20:16
FurnaceBoygnufreex: i guess.. but..Aug 16 20:16
FurnaceBoygnufreex: the problem with lawsuits is the radioactive mess afterwardsAug 16 20:16
FurnaceBoygnufreex: can't we have organic, non-toxic annihilation?Aug 16 20:16
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gnufreexBest way: Oracle kills Microsoft with lawsuits, patents get abolished when world see that event. Red Hat undercuts Oracle to deathAug 16 20:18
gnufreexIt could happen :-)Aug 16 20:18
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Fwd: Google CEO Suggests You Change Your Name to Escape His Permanent Record http://rww.tw/bdsOkZ (via... http://ff.im/pkYuyAug 16 20:18
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FurnaceBoygnufreex: EU has got disappointingly pro-patentAug 16 20:19
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] "The Road Ahead" for software positively stinks, thanks to software #patents. #swpatAug 16 20:20
MinceRi have a few suggestions to schmidt, tooAug 16 20:20
gnufreexFurnaceBoy: When?Aug 16 20:20
gnufreexThere is no patents in EU?Aug 16 20:21
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Hollywood Targets 8.2 Million Torrents at Bitsnoop http://tinyurl.com/26q9dq8 - Thats 1 ,thousands more (and increasing) to go. #piracy #tpbAug 16 20:21
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MinceRgnufreex: legally there are no sw patents in the EU, but the EPO cheerfully violates that and approves them anywayAug 16 20:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] ♺ @cdibona: See an oracle person using an android? They're violating copyright for millions of LOC from us and harmony. ASL Section 3.Aug 16 20:22
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Love crApple watch on Linux Outlaws... listening live now!Aug 16 20:22
MinceRthe controlling principle of the EU is that nobody cares what the citizens want, what the member states want or what their own law tells them to do, only what the usian megacorps with the most money wantAug 16 20:23
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gnufreexMinceR: Yeah, but those are uselessAug 16 20:27
gnufreexMinceR: It can't be enforced, simply say: Europe has no sofware patetns, EPO got confused that with hardware Aug 16 20:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @joshbloch: Those who can, do; those who can't, sue. Or perhaps: Those who can, innovate; those who can't, litigate.Aug 16 20:28
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[rcweir] @FFII History is that Microsoft used Apple as poster boy in their OOXML interop demos, but now they are dropping them in the river.Aug 16 20:28
MinceRgnufreex: how do you know it can't be enforced?Aug 16 20:28
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gnufreexMinceR: Common sense? But that don't work wen needed :-)Aug 16 20:29
MinceRcommon sense doesn't work in lawAug 16 20:29
MinceRif it did, there would be no need for juristsAug 16 20:30
gnufreexTrueAug 16 20:30
MinceRtherefore jurists engineered a system where they're necessaryAug 16 20:30
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MinceRand consequently there's no common senseAug 16 20:30
FurnaceBoy:)Aug 16 20:30
schestowitz[19:31] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: aparently this is Arianna's assigned role, so that she can party onAug 16 20:31
schestowitzShe was on a panel with FoxAug 16 20:31
schestowitzShe actually did criticise the managerAug 16 20:31
schestowitz[19:31] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: maybe she even thinks she's helpingAug 16 20:31
schestowitzyesAug 16 20:31
schestowitzSame when she links Gates' bootAug 16 20:31
schestowitz[19:34] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: salon has problems too. it's more and more talking to the convertedAug 16 20:32
schestowitzSalon has a long history as a Microsoft boosterAug 16 20:32
schestowitzSince the 90sAug 16 20:32
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I don't care what panel she was on. SHe has to maintain the PERCEPTION that she's the anti-Fox, but it's not borne out by reality.Aug 16 20:32
schestowitz[19:34] <_Goblin> Full circle podcast is not bad....Im quite interested even though not really an Ubuntu user.Aug 16 20:33
schestowitzYes, it's surprisingly goodAug 16 20:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I disagree about Salon. I've read it since the mid-90sAug 16 20:33
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: there's very little pro or anti-MS there. Andrew Leonard is not pro-MS, and he's about the closest they have to a tech columnistAug 16 20:33
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: if they're not pro-MS they're AppletardsAug 16 20:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and formerly Rosenberg. worst you could call him is fencesitterAug 16 20:34
FurnaceBoyZiomatrix: no, not that eitehr.Aug 16 20:34
schestowitz[19:38] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: it seems like another trojan horse whereby the perception is that it's progressive but in reality it's for poisoning the well Aug 16 20:34
FurnaceBoyZiomatrix: tech is mostly orthogonal to their mission.Aug 16 20:34
schestowitzisn't it just worse than scienceblogs?Aug 16 20:34
schestowitzThey give spaceAug 16 20:34
schestowitzThat's their businessAug 16 20:34
schestowitzNot accuracyAug 16 20:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: space?Aug 16 20:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Salon doesn't give space to pro-MS positions.Aug 16 20:34
schestowitzFiltering is minisculeAug 16 20:34
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: slashdot actually sells ad space to MS.Aug 16 20:34
schestowitzBut it's intended to do wellAug 16 20:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: yet they are not considered pro-MSAug 16 20:35
schestowitzJust mal-executedAug 16 20:35
schestowitz[19:47] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: right, but like Widenius, completely out of the picture ...Aug 16 20:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: no, I no longer believe HuffPo is benign or progressive.Aug 16 20:35
schestowitzNo spa for himAug 16 20:35
schestowitzFinnish saunaAug 16 20:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: indeedAug 16 20:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and black vodka, apparentlyAug 16 20:35
Ziomatrixcheck out these titles which I got for searching Linux, constantly creating analogies with MS and Apple: http://tinyurl.com/2dhp6p2Aug 16 20:36
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gnufreexschestowitz: I ask you again because I think you didn't read: Do you know when Sun-Microsoft deal expires? I can't find anywhere on the net. Aug 16 20:36
gnufreexI think I heard it is 2004Aug 16 20:36
gnufreexI mean it is signed in 2004Aug 16 20:36
gnufreexI heard it is 10 years... so 4 moreAug 16 20:37
schestowitz[20:05] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: as it happens, i screwed up, i should have taken more photos. it's a beautiful place.Aug 16 20:37
schestowitzCan you tell purpose of visit?Aug 16 20:37
schestowitzWill you consider moving to the EU?Aug 16 20:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's never off the table.Aug 16 20:37
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: in fact, i am only waiting for the right job.Aug 16 20:37
MinceRFurnaceBoy: i do consider /. pro-m$Aug 16 20:38
FurnaceBoyMinceR: it certainly has some pro-MS readersAug 16 20:39
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: but overall Salon does give more awareness to Linux and open source then any other opinion column of its kindAug 16 20:39
FurnaceBoyMinceR: what's your take on selling ad space to MS? as they have done, foreverAug 16 20:39
FurnaceBoyZiomatrix: yes, Rosenberg and Leonard were pretty good on that scoreAug 16 20:39
FurnaceBoyZiomatrix: Leonard in particular is no corporate shillAug 16 20:39
MinceRFurnaceBoy: iirc they did more than thatAug 16 20:39
MinceRFurnaceBoy: and i don't approve of selling ad space to m$Aug 16 20:40
FurnaceBoyMinceR: go on. i'm not disagreeingAug 16 20:40
FurnaceBoyMinceR: what else do they do?Aug 16 20:40
MinceRsure, it drains their pockets. but it also lets them put their lies next to your message.Aug 16 20:40
MinceRi don't remember, i quit reading /. long agoAug 16 20:40
FurnaceBoyMinceR: much of the audience will never ever take those ads seriouslyAug 16 20:40
FurnaceBoyMinceR: ah. yeah, i don't go there muchAug 16 20:40
MinceRmuch of it was because of the crApple cultistsAug 16 20:41
MinceRgenerally their current community is full of m$ cultists and crApple cultistsAug 16 20:41
FurnaceBoylovely!Aug 16 20:41
FurnaceBoywhen will the Snoracle cultists stand up!Aug 16 20:41
FurnaceBoySnorcle*Aug 16 20:41
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: there is no such brand perception loyalty in enterprise anymore, its just whoever has the best product to suit their needs, has friends in the other's business or flashes the most moneyAug 16 20:43
FurnaceBoythe first part i have no problem withAug 16 20:43
FurnaceBoybut in reality i've never seen it used as a criterionAug 16 20:43
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: whoever can convince the other they will not only survive but thrive in a decade's time win the pot of the goldAug 16 20:43
MinceRSCOracle?Aug 16 20:44
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: the main concern among enterprise is that will your products still be serviceable years from now or will we have to suddenly rather then gradually change over to a different product which will hurt our bottom line?Aug 16 20:45
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] test 1Aug 16 20:45
FurnaceBoyso, is anybody going to let Asay state unchallenged that Oracle-v-Google "might actually give Microsoft a chance in mobile, not to mention make .Net an even better alternative for Java developers, as Novell developer Miguel de Icaza postulates."Aug 16 20:46
FurnaceBoyhttp://gigaom.com/2010/08/16/oracles-java-lawsuit-free-markets-not-free-software/Aug 16 20:46
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: lol noAug 16 20:46
TechrightsBotTitle:   Oracles Java Lawsuit: Free Markets, Not Free Software .::. Size~: 59.12 KBAug 16 20:46
FurnaceBoypure FUD from Asay: "Open source is not a free ride. No one would casually borrow SAP’s proprietary software and expect to get away with it. In similar manner, no one should cavalierly take open-source code without inquiring into its provenance, ownership, etc."Aug 16 20:47
FurnaceBoyLOLAug 16 20:47
FurnaceBoythis is disgustingAug 16 20:47
schestowitz[20:38] <MinceR> FurnaceBoy: i do consider /. pro-m$ Aug 16 20:48
schestowitz pro fauxopen source ratherAug 16 20:48
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: there are enough alternatives out there for application virtualization to prevent businesses from looking into such an expensive proposition from a licensing perspective that gives their IT the least control. In fact I would wager VirtualBox and VMware can capitalize more from this.Aug 16 20:48
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schestowitz[20:39] <FurnaceBoy> Ziomatrix: Leonard in particular is no corporate shillAug 16 20:48
schestowitzLeonard is OKAug 16 20:48
schestowitzBut BillWatch labelled them pro-MicrosoftAug 16 20:48
schestowitzIn time of Netscape....Aug 16 20:48
FurnaceBoyi'm not sure why.Aug 16 20:48
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: If Java looses steam, AJAX can pick up the slack for the meantime for web apletsAug 16 20:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I've been reading salon since, i dunno, 1995.. and if they ahd been pro-MS I would never have lasted this long.Aug 16 20:49
schestowitz[20:41] <MinceR> much of it was because of the crApple cultistsAug 16 20:49
schestowitzThey have section for it nowAug 16 20:49
schestowitzLike DoggAug 16 20:49
schestowitz*DiggAug 16 20:49
schestowitzThe dog!Aug 16 20:49
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they've had an Apple section for years. maybe 10 years.Aug 16 20:49
MinceRthe cultists never were constrained to any sectionAug 16 20:49
MinceRnot on /., not on diggAug 16 20:49
MinceRdoggAug 16 20:49
FurnaceBoyZiomatrix: Google Web Toolkit, java basedAug 16 20:49
*FurnaceBoy sighsAug 16 20:50
*FurnaceBoy better stop procrastinatingAug 16 20:50
*FurnaceBoy has quit (Quit: work sucks)Aug 16 20:50
ZiomatrixFurnaceBoy: lol maybe Adobe Pagemaker can gain groundAug 16 20:50
schestowitzZiomatrix: VirtualBox is 'open' COREAug 16 20:51
schestowitzIt shares code with Microsoft's Aug 16 20:51
schestowitzThe one it boughtAug 16 20:51
schestowitzTHe Germany guy behind it used to work there before Microsoft boughtAug 16 20:52
Ziomatrixschestowitz:  interesting, where do you see the best path for virtualization going?Aug 16 20:52
schestowitzIn 2007 IIRC they liberated parts of itAug 16 20:52
schestowitzZiomatrix: I don't use itAug 16 20:53
schestowitzExcept on serverAug 16 20:53
schestowitzFor hostingAug 16 20:53
schestowitzVB is for desktops mostly, AFAIKAug 16 20:53
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/15/south-africa-media-censorshipAug 16 20:53
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/13/alvin-greene-charged-pornographic-picturesAug 16 20:54
TechrightsBotTitle:  Alvin Greene charged over pornographic pictures | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 70.59 KBAug 16 20:54
schestowitz"To criminalize showing pictures is an act of mad tyranny. The matter should have ended once she told him no, but fanatical prudes (probably Christians) are trying to impose their twisted morality on everyone else." vAug 16 20:54
schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-may-aug.html#15%20August%202010%20%28Alvin%20Greene%20faces%20imprisonment%29Aug 16 20:54
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Clueless Commentators Think That It's Possible To Stop Wikileaks http://dlvr.it/3sqkfAug 16 20:55
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Drug firms hiding negative research are unfit to experiment on people http://ur1.ca/15oj2 #AstraZeneca #experimentAug 16 21:00
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/aug/15/france-haiti-independence-debtAug 16 21:02
TechrightsBotTitle:  France urged to repay Haiti billions paid for its independence | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 68.39 KBAug 16 21:02
Ziomatrixschestowitz: teenage college student? lolAug 16 21:03
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schestowitzHiow old?Aug 16 21:03
schestowitz19 maybe?Aug 16 21:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Let's start working. Collect prior art. Here's the plan: http://is.gd/ekxMZ #google #android #swpatAug 16 21:03
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schestowitzCould also be 10, it's a vague classificationAug 16 21:03
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I know they're out there but the chances of knowingly meeting someone in college who is under 18 years of age unless you are friends is close to nilAug 16 21:03
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[nsisodiya] Software of the day : sudo apt-get install mountmanager -Install and Feel easy to mount anything-Aug 16 21:04
Ziomatrixschestowitz: US law stipulates being under 18 as a minor, even though oddly enough certain states allow consensual sex as long as both parties are above 16-17 years of ageAug 16 21:04
schestowitzYes, I know..Aug 16 21:05
schestowitzIn some states it's strictly 18, IIRCAug 16 21:05
Ziomatrixschestowitz: however at the end of the day, he's still a primarily populist candidateAug 16 21:05
schestowitzThe complaint was RMS', not mineAug 16 21:05
schestowitzI didn't read itAug 16 21:05
schestowitzRMS is against prosecution of young couplesAug 16 21:06
schestowitzDangermouse has a song about it, re a friend of his who got arrested for consentual sexAug 16 21:06
schestowitz*consensual Aug 16 21:06
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @bkuhn @osamak, #Microsoft took many positions against #swpats in the early 1990s. Every #swpats holder becomes a patent troll eventu ...Aug 16 21:10
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/46021395#notice-46373810 "@schestowitz Agree, but, what's his point? At least Glyn Moody, in a recent article, suggests to FORK everything. Mr.Asay leaves in the air."Aug 16 21:10
TechrightsBotTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.11 KBAug 16 21:10
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/346810 "or animals- if you're a drug company and you're hiding negative research, the only subjects you should be allowed to experiment on are the people responsible for the coverup!" http://280.status.net/conversation/396993#notice-346810Aug 16 21:12
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ruiseabra] RT @graziano Gnash is accepting donation! Let them feel the power of community! Donate to http://www.openmedianow.org/ #fsf #gnu #lpital ...Aug 16 21:26
TechrightsBotTitle: Open Media Now! | Implementing the future! .::. Size~: 18.83 KBAug 16 21:26
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @qu1j0t3 "The Road Ahead" for software positively stinks, thanks to software #patents. #swpatAug 16 21:27
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Oracle vs. Google over Java http://is.gd/ekzqD Experts agree: #Oracle vs. #Google spells trouble for all #Java development.Aug 16 21:29
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MinceRwhoaAug 16 21:32
MinceRlook for "compliant" >> http://java.sun.com/javase/6/jdk-6u21-doc-license.txtAug 16 21:32
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Diablo-D3[04:20:09] -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell- [sjvn] Oracle vs. Google over Java http://is.gd/ekzqD Experts agree: #Oracle vs. #Google spells trouble for all #Java development.Aug 16 21:38
Diablo-D3screw the expertsAug 16 21:38
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle vs. Google over Java | ITworld .::. Size~: 92.25 KBAug 16 21:38
Diablo-D3_I_ said it.Aug 16 21:38
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 look what your fav' pub' is doing. http://ur1.ca/15ov1Aug 16 21:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @wrash: Larry Ellison and Oracle appear to be on a path to kill open source everywhere he finds it. http://tinyurl.com/2ez2kp9Aug 16 21:46
TechrightsBotTitle: Oracle Suit Against Google Android Part of Anti-Open Source Drive  - Linux and Open Source from eWeek .::. Size~: 112.2 KBAug 16 21:46
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MinceRwhy did nobody mention that the java patent license only applies to "compliant" implementations?Aug 16 22:06
MinceRthat violates freedoms 1 and 3, and thus makes it nonfree (just like .net)Aug 16 22:06
*schestowitz_log removes channel operator status from schestowitz_logAug 16 22:06
Diablo-D3MinceR: because Ive been saying java is now closed source for the past few days?Aug 16 22:07
MinceRnow? this license is older than that.Aug 16 22:08
-BNi/#boycottnovell-[ender2070/@ender2070] KDE Plasma Tablet - AWESOME http://www.notmart.org/index.php/Software/Plasma:_now_comes_in_tabletsAug 16 22:09
TechrightsBotTitle: Tale of a little pixel - Plasma: now comes in tablets .::. Size~: 14.92 KBAug 16 22:09
MinceRtake a tablet and you crashAug 16 22:09
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @pgralla: Schmidt offers Google's most chilling Big Brother scenario yet http://bit.ly/aLWGZhAug 16 22:11
TechrightsBotTitle: Schmidt offers Google's most chilling Big Brother scenario yet - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 61.6 KBAug 16 22:11
schestowitzwhy does sjvn promote the Microsoft booster?Aug 16 22:12
schestowitzRpeatedly evenAug 16 22:12
schestowitzLike PJ and BishopAug 16 22:12
schestowitzMaybe it's a kickback-type agreementAug 16 22:12
schestowitzI link you, you link meAug 16 22:12
MinceRor that's where he found dirt on googleAug 16 22:12
MinceR(google deserves that)Aug 16 22:13
MinceR(especially schmidt)Aug 16 22:13
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Links 16/8/2010: ARM-based Servers Project, MeeGo Status http://techrights.org/2010/08/16/meego-status/ #techrightsAug 16 22:14
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] RT @sgaudin: Scientists build robot that can learn emotions -- fear, happiness -- as it interacts with people. http://bit.ly/arTyaJAug 16 22:18
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-BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 16/8/2010: ARM-based Servers Project, MeeGo Status http://techrights.org/2010/08/16/meego-status/ !techrightsAug 16 22:19
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Blizzard Awarded $88M Default Judgment Against Unauthorized World Of Warcraft Host http://dlvr.it/3syvzAug 16 22:21
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gnufreexI just got a one idea...Aug 16 22:23
gnufreexGoogle bought ON2 video technologyAug 16 22:23
gnufreexJavaFX uses it. Aug 16 22:23
gnufreexI know that because Sun's excuse for not opensource JavaFX was that codec is owned by ON2Aug 16 22:24
MinceRgnAug 16 22:27
_GoblingnAug 16 22:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #Microsoft is Chucking Apple After Using Apple to Promote OOXML http://ur1.ca/15pao #Apple #ooxml #odf #opendocumentAug 16 22:39
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jonobacon] New Iron Maiden Album: my take, good, gonna take more than a few sittings to digest. More progressive than expected. Different but good.Aug 16 23:00
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[techdirt] Comically Absurd IP http://dlvr.it/3t3sFAug 16 23:29
-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] 'And American Muslims were not behind the terrorist plot either.' Touché RT @tllanes @ggreenwald http://is.gd/ekEMS #park51Aug 16 23:29
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FurnaceBoy"The exodus has been a thundering stampede. Pretty soon, all Larry will have left is an IP portfolio. Perhaps that's all he wanted: there's precious little evidence that he was interested in any of the people" http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/escaped_from_realityAug 16 23:43
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-BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Is anyone really surprised at this? http://bit.ly/aKmzsXAug 16 23:46
TechrightsBotTitle:  Anger over ex-Israeli soldier's Facebook photos of Palestinian prisoners | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 71.24 KBAug 16 23:46

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