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| _Goblin | Right, Im done for the night "Smoke me a kipper, I'll back for breakfast" | Aug 22 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm making my first batch of coffee in that percolator | Aug 22 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | I hope it tastes half as good as it smells | Aug 22 00:56 |
| DaemonFC | that is good | Aug 22 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 22 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | well, problem solved | Aug 22 00:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: This coffee maker is almost 90 years old | Aug 22 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 22 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | well, that's what good old American engineering put out | Aug 22 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | this Chinese crap doesn't even last a month | Aug 22 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | This AMERICAN-made coffee maker will still make coffee after I die of old age | Aug 22 01:26 |
| DaemonFC | never trust anything made out of glass and plastic :P | Aug 22 01:26 |
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| DaemonFC | right, off to find something to eat | Aug 22 01:34 |
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| DaemonFC | People have used a lot of things as money over the years | Aug 22 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | usually during a war when the usual metals needed to make coins was needed for the war effort | Aug 22 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | What I don't get is why coinage or paper money for that matter still exists | Aug 22 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | there's usually more metal in a coin than what the coin is worth, right? | Aug 22 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | and paper money isn't worth anything at all intrinsically, but has the highest denominations | Aug 22 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: denominations ? | Aug 22 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | people place "value" in the damndest things | Aug 22 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 22 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | what does that word mean | Aug 22 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | in the US anyway, denominations below $1 are coins | Aug 22 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | and the rest is paper | Aug 22 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I guess the paper money as you call it is rather easy to make | Aug 22 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | and its lite waight | Aug 22 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | a lot of coins is well heavey | Aug 22 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | well, not actually paper, it's more like a denim | Aug 22 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | thing is with coins and paper money as you call it | Aug 22 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | well coins rather | Aug 22 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | will end up with a lot of small coins | Aug 22 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | but if we're going to place "value" on something as worthless as paper money, why not just go all debit cards? | Aug 22 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | that can't just spend easyily | Aug 22 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | maybe a personal check here and there? | Aug 22 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | I used to like always buy stuff with coins before, but now i'll use a debit card a bit more | Aug 22 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | I got a lot of old coins around as a result, that are small, and can't easilley be spent | Aug 22 01:54 |
| DaemonFC | it occurs to me that I haven't paid for anything in paper or coin currency in over two months | Aug 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | at least | Aug 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | it's always debit or writing someone a check | Aug 22 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | using card instead? | Aug 22 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | instead | Aug 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | pay in exact amounts | Aug 22 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | and then differnet currencies as well | Aug 22 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | and so for example | Aug 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | never deal with a pocket full of couns | Aug 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | *coins | Aug 22 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | British money is rahter useless in USA | Aug 22 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | just like dollers are rather useless in Britian | Aug 22 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | right, but with a card, they could convert every transaction on the spot | Aug 22 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 22 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: never deal with a pocket full of coins? | Aug 22 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Aug 22 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | loose change | Aug 22 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | from breaking odd amounts of money every time you buy something | Aug 22 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | anyway, brb | Aug 22 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | when I was still quite young, I bought some chocolate or whatever in a local shop, by giving the shop keeper quite a lot of small coins, I may have goton ripped off doing that as well | Aug 22 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | I mean as a kid | Aug 22 01:57 |
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| DaemonFC | CPU fan started rattling :P | Aug 22 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | I took the fansink off and slapped it around a bit | Aug 22 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 22 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | probably won't last but it'll probably work until I can go buy a new one | Aug 22 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | speaking of third world crap | Aug 22 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | it does say Foxconn | Aug 22 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 22 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, CPU is running about 3-4 degrees C cooler with the new thermal paste | Aug 22 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | almost every factory puts too much paste on and they don't worry about applying it evenly :) | Aug 22 03:40 |
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| tessier | Correctly applying thermal paste is tricky | Aug 22 04:05 |
| tessier | Yes, most use way too much. | Aug 22 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | tessier_ I just use an old gift card or something to spread it | Aug 22 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 22 04:10 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the way most OEMs do it, the CPU would probably run cooler if they didn't use any at all | Aug 22 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | it becomes more like insulation | Aug 22 04:11 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Aug 22 04:11 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] #OMG a #Brainfuck ide http://4mhz.de/bfdev.html #nerdgasm via @snarfusmaximus | Aug 22 05:17 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/net_neutrality_what_does_google_verizon_proposal_mean_gnu_linux "Techrights has a grim rogues gallery of the culprits and it makes for sobering reading so we should place little faith in gate guardians." | Aug 22 05:36 |
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| schestowitz | "As the investigation evolved, said a person close to it, the board came to believe that CEO had a personal relationship with Ms. Fisher. For instance, the investigation found that Mr. Hurd had looked at clips from racy films featuring Ms. Fisher, a former actress, this person said, adding that Mr. Hurd had told investigators he and Ms. Fisher had visited one another's hotel rooms late at night." | Aug 22 05:42 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703382304575431792690877302.html | Aug 22 05:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: H-P Board Felt Hurd Settlement With Contractor Impeded Probe - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 173.99 KB | Aug 22 05:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/08/microsofts_latest_mac_vs_pc_salvo_pretends_mac_office_doesnt_exist.html | Aug 22 05:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft's new Mac vs. PC site pretends Mac Office doesn't exist .::. Size~: 57.34 KB | Aug 22 05:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/08/microsofts_latest_mac_vs_pc_salvo_pretends_mac_office_doesnt_exist.html | Aug 22 05:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft's new Mac vs. PC site pretends Mac Office doesn't exist .::. Size~: 57.34 KB | Aug 22 05:43 |
| schestowitz | "So the board watched and waited for four years (!), then seized an opportunity. Standing alone, this story doesn't make sense, but combine the board's distrust with employee dissent, and you have the recipe for ouster." | Aug 22 05:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theconglomerate.org/2010/08/why-did-the-hp-board-need-a-pretext-for-firing-mark-hurd.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+theconglomerate%2Ffeed+%28Conglomerate%29 | Aug 22 05:45 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.scribd.com/doc/35401457/Influence-and-Passivity-in-Social-Media-HP-Labs-Research | Aug 22 05:57 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] 11,000 Posts http://ur1.ca/17bop The crossing of another milestone and return to normal posting pace at #techrights | Aug 22 05:57 | |
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| schestowitz | "In any case, this whole Java versus .NET thing is just the sideshow, the battle for 2nd place. The winner in the end is HTML 5." http://twitter.com/FFII | Aug 22 05:58 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 11,000 Posts http://ur1.ca/17bop The crossing of another milestone and return to normal posting pace at !techrights | Aug 22 05:59 | |
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| schestowitz | "Jeans are on the not-to-wear list. And don't even think of wearing short shorts to court in Dover, Del. " | Aug 22 06:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-08-16-court-dress-code_N.htm | Aug 22 06:05 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "When we are defending freedom, we are not defending it against business. But sometimes, we are defending it against greed." -Eben Moglen | Aug 22 06:08 | |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703723504575425303867402456.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Aug 22 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=3 "Sousou then talks about MeeGo, which you can learn more about at meego.com. At the end of this video, look for Bradley Kuhn of SFLC asking about what is open and what is not in MeeGo, and Intel's answer.]" | Aug 22 06:12 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 31.04 KB | Aug 22 06:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/65207 | Aug 22 06:16 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Audacity of Warner Brothers and Re-Spawning Zombie Cookies | NetworkWorld.com Community .::. Size~: 85.89 KB | Aug 22 06:16 |
| schestowitz | WatchTroll too actually is negative about the trolls | Aug 22 06:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10971949 | Aug 22 06:17 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: BBC News - How the internet is changing language .::. Size~: 55.17 KB | Aug 22 06:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[qu1j0t3] Verily, #Flash is the root of all #evil. | Aug 22 06:32 | |
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| schestowitz | Hmm... why is PJ linking to Jeff Bozo at TED-GATES? http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 | Aug 22 06:38 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[ml2mst] Good morning all! I'm having a bit of a hangover. Oh, well fortunately there's coffee and bacon and eggs ;-) | Aug 22 06:41 | |
| FurnaceBoy | it's so nice when you poms do your saturday mornig | Aug 22 06:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | or sunday as the case may be | Aug 22 06:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | a preview of ours | Aug 22 06:44 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] I've favourited a YouTube video -- Google I/O 2010 - Keynote Day 2 Android Demo - Full ... http://youtu.be/IY3U2GXhz44?a | Aug 22 06:50 | |
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| schestowitz | Wow | Aug 22 08:06 |
| schestowitz | BillG has just INCREASED Monsanto investments | Aug 22 08:06 |
| schestowitz | AND......... | Aug 22 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Added Goildman Sachs | Aug 22 08:06 |
| schestowitz | How much do they want to be hated? | Aug 22 08:06 |
| schestowitz | *Goldman | Aug 22 08:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: well | Aug 22 08:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno. | Aug 22 08:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | From a purely investment point of view | Aug 22 08:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | if he thinks GS and Monsanto have a future, then its not a BAD time to grab more | Aug 22 08:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | they both whammed off the bottom pretty hard | Aug 22 08:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and he doesnt look like the type to go bargan basement hunting and go buy a bunch of home builder and real estate related stocks | Aug 22 08:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php | Aug 22 08:23 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 34.73 KB | Aug 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: about Niel's article; | Aug 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Allow me to point out a difference or two: There were two Sun v. Microsoft litigations. The first, in 1997, was contract-based, with some trademark infringement thrown in. Microsoft had entered into two agreements with Sun, promising to use Java in certain of its products, so it was a breach of contract case. Sun's allegations were that "...Microsoft has also successively introduced various modifications and additions to the | Aug 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | JAVA API for Sun's JAVA™ Class Libraries, many of which were and are to this day falsely and unlawfully included by Microsoft as "java."methods and "java."fields within the "java."packages and "java." classes of the class libraries provided in SDKJ. In particular, defendant Microsoft has deceptively modified the "java." APIs of its SDKJ class libraries in a manner that will cause programs written by developers using such additions | Aug 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | to fail to run on any systems platform other than Microsoft's Win32-based systems." Google hasn't done that. That litigation settled in 2001, with Sun reserving its antitrust claims." | Aug 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | "And then in 2002, in the second litigation, Sun's was a private antitrust suit, based on illegal tying in the operating system market, as well as for unfair competition, entering into agreements with others "not to develop for, distribute or use a non-Microsoft compatible implementation of the Java platform". One of the remedies Sun sought was to require Microsoft to "disclose and license proprietary interfaces, protocols and | Aug 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | formats". Google is not a monopoly as Microsoft was, nor is the fact pattern even similar, legally, let alone identical. I just mention this because while interoperability is still an issue in common, it just isn't legally accurate to say that Microsoft did what Google is doing. It's totally apples and oranges.]" | Aug 22 08:23 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/218567.asp | Aug 22 08:24 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft's Ballmer on list of 15 overachieving CEOs .::. Size~: 69.34 KB | Aug 22 08:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15756223?nclick_check=1 | Aug 22 08:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/13/virnetx_lawsuit/ | Aug 22 08:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft patent victor targets Apple, Cisco... • The Register .::. Size~: 28.49 KB | Aug 22 08:26 |
| oiaohm | Google has done what MS has. schestowitz. Android applications don't run on other JVM's infact android worse the bytecode does not match. | Aug 22 08:30 |
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| magentar | plane crash caused by trojans? must've been windows running: http://translate.google.de/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heise.de%2Fnewsticker%2Fmeldung%2FSchad-Software-moeglicherweise-Mitverursacher-bei-Flugzeug-Absturz-1063252.html&sl=de&tl=en | Aug 22 08:35 |
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| schestowitz | magentar: florian blames ibm | Aug 22 08:36 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/08/21/florian-blames-ibm-for-death/ | Aug 22 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Campaigner for Hire Blames IBM for Air Crash | Techrights .::. Size~: 127.02 KB | Aug 22 08:36 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://topnews.net.nz/content/27063-microsofts-dummy-mobile-phone-showcased | Aug 22 08:37 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft's dummy Mobile Phone Showcased | TopNews New Zealand .::. Size~: 33.44 KB | Aug 22 08:37 |
| oiaohm | Aircraft controlls dont' need much of a stuff up. | Aug 22 08:39 |
| oiaohm | Airgrade Linuxs can reboot in under 1 sec for good reason. | Aug 22 08:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226600224&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News | Aug 22 08:48 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] 4 of 5 stars to Daemon by Daniel Suarez http://bit.ly/chkffL | Aug 22 08:48 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of Daemon .::. Size~: 20.06 KB | Aug 22 08:48 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: reboot won't help if you have backdoor Trojans | Aug 22 08:48 |
| schestowitz | tessier: are you around? | Aug 22 08:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] I'm #reading Freedom by Daniel Suarez http://bit.ly/cLmbYm | Aug 22 08:49 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of Freedom .::. Size~: 20.27 KB | Aug 22 08:49 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Droid Outsells iPhone: Why CIOs Should Care http://ur1.ca/17cpo then came #scoracle | Aug 22 08:51 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Read مهزلة العقل البشري by علي الوردي http://bit.ly/cXW0sE | Aug 22 08:51 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Droid Outsells iPhone: Why CIOs Should Care - Latest News .::. Size~: 106.21 KB | Aug 22 08:51 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Marked as to-read: دفاع عن الإنسان by عبد الوهاب الم�... http://bit.ly/awjMKX | Aug 22 08:52 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of دفاع عن الإنسان : دراسات نظرية وتطبيقية في النماذج المركبة .::. Size~: 20.65 KB | Aug 22 08:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Read الفلسفة المادية وتف�... by عبد الوهاب الم�... http://bit.ly/9iSdAI | Aug 22 08:54 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of الفلسفة المادية وتفكيك الإنسان .::. Size~: 21.33 KB | Aug 22 08:54 |
| oiaohm | Really backdoor trojans don't help you if you don't have remote access. schestowitz | Aug 22 08:55 |
| oiaohm | Close remote access reset system at least it operational. | Aug 22 08:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] Marked as to-read: Galileo's Dream by Kim Stanley Robinson http://bit.ly/asqEsx | Aug 22 08:57 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of Galileo's Dream .::. Size~: 20.25 KB | Aug 22 08:57 |
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| tessier | schestowitz: Yes? | Aug 22 09:01 |
| schestowitz | Hey mate, do you have the xchat logs from recent days? | Aug 22 09:02 |
| schestowitz | I haven't posted these for 3 days cause I have holes in them :-) | Aug 22 09:02 |
| tessier | Oh, yes I do. I got distracted yesterday. Let me email them. | Aug 22 09:02 |
| schestowitz | Thanks | Aug 22 09:02 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] 5 of 5 stars to العلمانية الجزئية و ... by عبد الوهاب الم�... http://bit.ly/aTXH7H | Aug 22 09:03 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] 5 of 5 stars to العلمانية الجزئية و ... by عبد الوهاب المØ.. http://bit.ly/9rVbF5 | Aug 22 09:04 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of العلمانية الجزئية و العلمانية الشاملة : التطبيق .::. Size~: 20.71 KB | Aug 22 09:04 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] On page 229 of 492 of العلمانية الج..., by عبد الوهاب الÙ.. http://bit.ly/bUU254 | Aug 22 09:05 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[omar_s_hafez] 1 of 5 stars to Dreamcatcher by Stephen King http://bit.ly/bBaJFH | Aug 22 09:06 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Omar S. (Amman, Jordan)'s review of Dreamcatcher .::. Size~: 20.04 KB | Aug 22 09:06 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Logs have been sent | Aug 22 09:16 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[diablod3/@diablod3] USB 3.0 works great under !Linux http://ur1.ca/17cyl | Aug 22 09:24 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: USB 3.0 works under Linux » Ad Terras Per Aspera .::. Size~: 17.39 KB | Aug 22 09:24 |
| schestowitz | tessier: thanks, got them ! | Aug 22 09:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Nothing to report yet on my Windows 7 refund....if Im successful, I'll donate the money to the #FSF #microsoft #windows #mvp #mvpbuzz | Aug 22 09:33 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[openbytes/@openbytes] Nothing to report yet on my Windows 7 refund....if Im successful, I'll donate the money to the !FSF !microsoft !windows !mvp !mvpbuzz | Aug 22 09:34 | |
| Diablo-D3 | so. | Aug 22 09:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | there. | Aug 22 09:35 |
| goblin | :) | Aug 22 09:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | I first adopted something. | Aug 22 09:35 |
| tessier | adopted what? | Aug 22 09:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | tessier: usb3. | Aug 22 09:35 |
| tessier | How so? | Aug 22 09:35 |
| schestowitz | goblin: hmm... identical accounts different name | Aug 22 09:35 |
| schestowitz | Need to fix that, which one to keep? | Aug 22 09:36 |
| goblin | identi.ca | Aug 22 09:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | tessier: http://ur1.ca/17cyl | Aug 22 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: USB 3.0 works under Linux » Ad Terras Per Aspera .::. Size~: 17.58 KB | Aug 22 09:36 |
| schestowitz | OK | Aug 22 09:36 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[_goblin] Another step towards my podcast presenter status! Have set up my audio equipment...works flawlessly with Sabayon 5.4 (Gnome) #linux | Aug 22 09:36 | |
| goblin | since the dents go to twitter automatically anyway | Aug 22 09:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it wooooooorkkkkkkkssss | Aug 22 09:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, do some pro-Linux linking, link to http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2010/08/22/usb-3-0-works-under-linux | Aug 22 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: USB 3.0 works under Linux » Ad Terras Per Aspera .::. Size~: 17.58 KB | Aug 22 09:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | because I feel like pissing on microsoft today | Aug 22 09:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | out of the box, the shit works. | Aug 22 09:37 |
| goblin | I try to post content with identi.ca and only use twitter for none identi.ca conversations with twitter only users. | Aug 22 09:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I know goddamned well out of the box it doesnt on windows | Aug 22 09:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | NOTHING EVER works out of the box on windows for the first decade | Aug 22 09:37 |
| goblin | shame was identi.ca would not let me have the goblin or _goblin handle so I had to use openbytes | Aug 22 09:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh and I think the controller came with a cd | Aug 22 09:38 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: OK, added that link | Aug 22 09:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | so double fuck you microsoft | Aug 22 09:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | linux beat windows, nyah nyah nyah nyah nyaaaahh | Aug 22 09:38 |
| goblin | oh dear....just seen Ive two IRC clients open...doh | Aug 22 09:38 |
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| _Goblin | thats better... | Aug 22 09:39 |
| _Goblin | sorry folks, didn't see I had two logins. | Aug 22 09:39 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[openbytes/@openbytes] Another step towards my podcast presenter status! Have set up my audio equipment...works flawlessly with Sabayon 5.4 (Gnome) !linux | Aug 22 09:39 | |
| *Diablo-D3 looks at usb3 working well in linux | Aug 22 09:40 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Im fapping at the speed of light | Aug 22 09:40 |
| tessier | Looks like since F14 won't be out until November I'll be installing F13 on this new desktop machine | Aug 22 09:40 |
| tessier | Diablo-D3: Wow, you better have some pretty good lube | Aug 22 09:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know people who work for NASA. | Aug 22 09:40 |
| tessier | NASA has no application for light speed lubricants | Aug 22 09:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never said it was for scientific use. | Aug 22 09:41 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Sweden clears WikiLeaks editor of rape | Politico http://politi.co/96Iffk | Aug 22 09:59 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | man | Aug 22 10:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | does Assange even have sex? | Aug 22 10:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[slashdot] Germany To Roll Out ID Cards With Embedded RFID http://bit.ly/bQozGx | Aug 22 10:18 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Your Rights Online Story | Germany To Roll Out ID Cards With Embedded RFID .::. Size~: 49.8 KB | Aug 22 10:18 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[openbytes/@openbytes] Windows spec requirements out of control? & quest for a refund http://tinyurl.com/2f9nwmv !linux !foss !sabayon !windows7 !microsoft | Aug 22 10:19 | |
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| cubevector | The Quest for the Windows Refund Part XXVII | Aug 22 10:30 |
| cubevector | ;-0 | Aug 22 10:30 |
| cubevector | goblin, of course | Aug 22 10:32 |
| cubevector | thought it sounded familiar | Aug 22 10:32 |
| _Goblin | Im staring in the sequel. | Aug 22 10:34 |
| _Goblin | :) | Aug 22 10:34 |
| _Goblin | its more a point of principle... | Aug 22 10:34 |
| _Goblin | reminds me of the Monty Python sketch where Brian is trying to buy a fake beard and the bloke wants to give him a candle as well. | Aug 22 10:35 |
| _Goblin | "But your giving it to me for free".. | Aug 22 10:35 |
| _Goblin | "well yes, but its worth....." | Aug 22 10:35 |
| _Goblin | sorry, i'll stop with the Monty python | Aug 22 10:35 |
| cubevector | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/diy-laptop-whitebook,review-1286.html | Aug 22 10:37 |
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| cubevector | I'm sure _somebody_ must sell bare bones laptops | Aug 22 10:48 |
| cubevector | buying a laptop without a hard drive seems like the simplest way to avoid the windows tax | Aug 22 10:48 |
| _Goblin | but then they'd probably stick a Windows sticker on it and charge you for that. | Aug 22 10:50 |
| _Goblin | there are vendors who sell bare PC's...but its the convenience of walking into a local store. | Aug 22 10:50 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/there-oughta-be-a-law-against-shovelware-on-new-pcs/9304 | Aug 22 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: There oughta be a law against shovelware on new PCs | ZDNet .::. Size~: 129.6 KB | Aug 22 10:51 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: affects pricing of bundles WIndows | Aug 22 10:51 |
| schestowitz | via oiaohm | Aug 22 10:51 |
| oiaohm | _Goblin: Windows does not cost makers anything once the shovelware gets added. | Aug 22 10:52 |
| oiaohm | In fact it allows them to sell the machine cheeper. | Aug 22 10:52 |
| _Goblin | I'll tell you what....the Windows 7 sticker is a devil to get off | Aug 22 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Oh, cool... someone from my department is in Slashdot. http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/10/08/21/2256206/Real-Time-Detailed-Face-Tracking-On-a-Nokia-N900?from=rss | Aug 22 10:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://personalpages.manchester.ac.uk/staff/philip.tresadern/proj_facerec.htm | Aug 22 10:54 |
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| cubevector | it's ridiculous that a no OS machine costs more than one with windows on it | Aug 22 10:54 |
| oiaohm | Unless of course you buy from a custom builder that don't put shovelware on. cubevector | Aug 22 10:59 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[openbytes/@openbytes] http://twitgoo.com/1j9mcg The hardest thing about replacing Windows 7 with Linux is getting the damn sticker off. !microsoft !windows | Aug 22 10:59 | |
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| oiaohm | Then the windows machine is more expesnive than the one without. | Aug 22 11:00 |
| cubevector | I'm not happy with how laptops get hot these days | Aug 22 11:00 |
| oiaohm | shovelware is the big problem. | Aug 22 11:00 |
| cubevector | meaning the cpu temp | Aug 22 11:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes shovelware does link to that problem as well. | Aug 22 11:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie cpu having to work harder processing crap you don't want eating up battery | Aug 22 11:01 |
| cubevector | well... | Aug 22 11:01 |
| oiaohm | And otherwise ruining a good laptop. | Aug 22 11:01 |
| cubevector | shovelware isn't really a problem | Aug 22 11:01 |
| oiaohm | Linux powermangement has been weak as well. | Aug 22 11:02 |
| oiaohm | Thank god that is improving. | Aug 22 11:02 |
| cubevector | e.g. if I buy used, no big deal to remove the stickers, and wipe the drive | Aug 22 11:02 |
| cubevector | if I pay $200 for a panasonic toughbook, then it's OK | Aug 22 11:02 |
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| oiaohm | Linux powermanagement ie lack of | Aug 22 11:02 |
| cubevector | I'd never get one that cheap new | Aug 22 11:03 |
| oiaohm | has lead to cpu running hotter than it should too. | Aug 22 11:03 |
| oiaohm | As Linux gets its power management sorted out how much harm shovelware is doing will come to light. | Aug 22 11:03 |
| cubevector | some laptop that could run fanless would be nice | Aug 22 11:03 |
| cubevector | something that just doesn't heat up a lot | Aug 22 11:04 |
| cubevector | perhaps a Toughbook CF-30 | Aug 22 11:07 |
| cubevector | I have a CF-48 and it's got a noisy fan | Aug 22 11:07 |
| cubevector | hmmm, CF-30 is pretty expensive | Aug 22 11:09 |
| oiaohm | Also depends on size. | Aug 22 11:12 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Swedish arrest warrant revoked in Assange case | CNN http://bit.ly/aEOKWC | Aug 22 11:12 | |
| oiaohm | I know a few mil class that are fanless but they are also huge mothers. | Aug 22 11:12 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] "It seems an unusual time to embark on a career of multiple rape". Wry wit from Guardian. http://bit.ly/bdG0V9 | Aug 22 11:14 | |
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| *_Goblin has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) | Aug 22 11:23 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Swedish political party to host new WikiLeaks servers http://bit.ly/cwujw6 | Aug 22 11:27 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "Patents are an alien conspiracy to stop technological progress on Earth" --gnufreex | Aug 22 11:31 | |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I was joking. | Aug 22 11:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] "[Patents are] unfortunately an all-too-human mechanism to concentrate wealth at the expense of humanity" -- @qu1j0t3 #swpats | Aug 22 11:32 | |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's obvious | Aug 22 11:32 |
| schestowitz | People know I'm sceptical of that stuff | Aug 22 11:32 |
| *schestowitz catches up with IRC | Aug 22 11:33 | |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Florian Muller got blasted again. | Aug 22 11:35 |
| gnufreex | On IT world | Aug 22 11:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] How solar power works [IMG] http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l7d0ogUyXV1qb25dg.jpg #humour | Aug 22 11:35 | |
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| gnufreex | http://www.itworld.com/comments/117730 | Aug 22 11:35 |
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| oiaohm | Question how long until Florian Muller Name shifts. gnufreex | Aug 22 11:36 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: "Quit with the shit Florian. Everybody knows you are Microsoft astroturfer whose task it to create rifts and divisions in FLOSS world." | Aug 22 11:36 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Well, I think it is proven that he is real dude. | Aug 22 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Does not stop name shifting. | Aug 22 11:37 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: So if he changes name, someone will track him. | Aug 22 11:37 |
| gnufreex | Florian Muller is his real name. | Aug 22 11:37 |
| oiaohm | Does not matter. | Aug 22 11:38 |
| oiaohm | Once they get made normally the do name shift. | Aug 22 11:38 |
| gnufreex | You mean he will change his birth certificate and do plastic surgery? | Aug 22 11:38 |
| gnufreex | He is paid lobbyist | Aug 22 11:39 |
| gnufreex | He has to use his real name on Internet if he wants any kind of credibility | Aug 22 11:39 |
| oiaohm | Once you are know as a paid lobbist | Aug 22 11:39 |
| oiaohm | You don't have crediblity and the lobbist payments dry up. | Aug 22 11:39 |
| oiaohm | So then to stay in the game is name shift. | Aug 22 11:40 |
| oiaohm | That is why its a question. | Aug 22 11:40 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Oracle [aka obstacle] is porting JMF to gstreamer API for OpenOffice. Good. Let him complete. just fork open-office after that | Aug 22 11:40 | |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yeah, he's exposed a lot now | Aug 22 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Little credibility left | Aug 22 11:40 |
| schestowitz | I saw that ITWorld commnet | Aug 22 11:40 |
| oiaohm | Credibilty is what decides how much you are paid as a lobbyist | Aug 22 11:41 |
| gnufreex | That is what I am saying. People know how he looks and where he lives. | Aug 22 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:37] <oiaohm> Does not stop name shifting. | Aug 22 11:41 |
| schestowitz | He denied it | Aug 22 11:41 |
| schestowitz | PJ said he goes by "Floyd" | Aug 22 11:41 |
| schestowitz | He denied | Aug 22 11:41 |
| schestowitz | [11:39] <oiaohm> You don't have crediblity and the lobbist payments dry up. | Aug 22 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, see Jon Zuck | Aug 22 11:41 |
| schestowitz | He couldn't change name | Aug 22 11:42 |
| schestowitz | And he's too 'big' to ignore | Aug 22 11:42 |
| schestowitz | So he changed his shell's name | Aug 22 11:42 |
| schestowitz | ATL->ACT | Aug 22 11:42 |
| schestowitz | After getting busted for letter from dead people | Aug 22 11:42 |
| oiaohm | ATL pays way better than ACT | Aug 22 11:42 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Muller will become a lobbyist for football teams again | Aug 22 11:43 |
| schestowitz | That's what his career has been for years | Aug 22 11:43 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: ATL is defunct | Aug 22 11:43 |
| oiaohm | That is lower pay than IT. | Aug 22 11:43 |
| oiaohm | I know schestowitz | Aug 22 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Zuck moved his flunkies from there to ACT, it seems | Aug 22 11:43 |
| oiaohm | But ACT is not getting the payments ATL was. | Aug 22 11:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/03/13/mike-sax-and-tomtom-spinners/ | Aug 22 11:43 |
| oiaohm | Because Zuck credablity is still shot. | Aug 22 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mike Sax and Other Microsoft Lobbyists Spin the TomTom Case in Linux Web Sites/Blogs | Techrights .::. Size~: 97.25 KB | Aug 22 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Mike Sex | Aug 22 11:43 |
| schestowitz | *Sax | Aug 22 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Still in some publications sometimes | Aug 22 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Zuck is a joke in Brussels now | Aug 22 11:44 |
| schestowitz | He causes them truble | Aug 22 11:44 |
| oiaohm | Basically Muller will be taking a pay cut. | Aug 22 11:44 |
| schestowitz | I made a big mess in the Commission over him | Aug 22 11:44 |
| schestowitz | Posting complaints about DG who defended him | Aug 22 11:44 |
| oiaohm | And the only way to avoid pay cut is nameshift. | Aug 22 11:44 |
| oiaohm | But PJ and others are watching waiting to hit any nameshift attempt. | Aug 22 11:45 |
| oiaohm | Over the years the counter system has got better. | Aug 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | He mass-mails journos | Aug 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | I told PJ... | Aug 22 11:45 |
| schestowitz | That's how he gets mentioned | Aug 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | He has the most bizarre E-mail address | Aug 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | With lots of numbers in it | Aug 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | florian.mueller.de82319@googlemail.com | Aug 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | He says it's to avoid spam | Aug 22 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Still, does he not have a permanent address? | Aug 22 11:46 |
| gnufreex | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_x06H0jog0hY/S7dJ6eafnOI/AAAAAAAAAAM/3yibYJok5Ik/S220-h/DSC_9136_2_120.jpg | Aug 22 11:50 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreexDaemonFC: You can thank Microsoft for formating. They brag about their lack of interoperabily and call it a feature. Most recently, they bragged how Google docs can't do their stuff. Aug 18 13:19 | Aug 22 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Now it's the opposite in many ways | Aug 22 11:50 |
| gnufreex | Do you think this picture is real | Aug 22 11:50 |
| gnufreex | ? | Aug 22 11:50 |
| schestowitz | Google has good sharing facilities | Aug 22 11:50 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: he looks like an onion in it, but yes... it's him | Aug 22 11:51 |
| gnufreex | Haha | Aug 22 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Does florian mueller has something todo with Starnberg | Aug 22 11:51 |
| gnufreex | <schestowitz> Now it's the opposite in many ways | Aug 22 11:52 |
| gnufreex | Hows that? | Aug 22 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Just happened to remember having to send a letter to starnberg for one of my customers. de-82319 is the postcode schestowitz | Aug 22 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Google does Web better | Aug 22 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft catches up | Aug 22 11:52 |
| gnufreex | It is Microsoft fault because Microosft office formats are closed | Aug 22 11:52 |
| gnufreex | I was talking about formats | Aug 22 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes gnufreex | Aug 22 11:52 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: maybe that's it | Aug 22 11:52 |
| gnufreex | Microsoft braged how Google Docs can't read their OXXAACOXOX | Aug 22 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Google Docs has "Punch" coming | Aug 22 11:53 |
| gnufreex | Or whatever | Aug 22 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Or do footnotes | Aug 22 11:53 |
| schestowitz | It does not | Aug 22 11:53 |
| schestowitz | To help WIth Google Apps | Aug 22 11:53 |
| gnufreex | I see that as braging about lack of operabilityu | Aug 22 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Tell people to use Free software | Aug 22 11:53 |
| oiaohm | OOXML test documents don't work with MS Office nay version. gnufreex | Aug 22 11:53 |
| gnufreex | It is bug, not a feature | Aug 22 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Yes the standard test documents. | Aug 22 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Also RTF MS made before OOXML end up containing non stardard parts to screw there competition over. | Aug 22 11:54 |
| oiaohm | OOXML is not the first standard Office Format MS has premoted gnufreex | Aug 22 11:55 |
| gnufreex | Yes. oiaohm. I was saying that is Microsoft fault. MS Office closed formats are bug. Not a feature. | Aug 22 11:55 |
| oiaohm | RTF was the first. | Aug 22 11:55 |
| gnufreex | Nobody should take your data and not let you convert it | Aug 22 11:55 |
| oiaohm | No its a feature. gnufreex | Aug 22 11:55 |
| gnufreex | to other formats | Aug 22 11:55 |
| oiaohm | A feature MS has created. | Aug 22 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Lockin is a feature MS wants gnufreex | Aug 22 11:55 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Yes. Microsoft calls it a feature and brags about it | Aug 22 11:55 |
| gnufreex | But in real world, it is not. | Aug 22 11:56 |
| gnufreex | That is what I am saying | Aug 22 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Its still a feature | Aug 22 11:56 |
| schestowitz | It's the shareholders' feature | Aug 22 11:56 |
| oiaohm | A bad feature | Aug 22 11:56 |
| schestowitz | antifeature to the rest | Aug 22 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Patents too | Aug 22 11:56 |
| oiaohm | A bug says it was not intentional. | Aug 22 11:56 |
| schestowitz | For investors,if anyone | Aug 22 11:56 |
| oiaohm | The incompadibly with others is a intentional action by MS. gnufreex | Aug 22 11:57 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Ok, I used wrong word. Not a bug. It is missfeature. | Aug 22 11:57 |
| gnufreex | Malicious feature. | Aug 22 11:57 |
| oiaohm | Malicious feature or anti-feature | Aug 22 11:58 |
| gnufreex | And everytime MIcorosoft brags about it, it should be pointed out. | Aug 22 11:58 |
| gnufreex | It is malicious feature. | Aug 22 11:58 |
| oiaohm | MS would prefer people to call it a bug. | Aug 22 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Or make out that google cannot implement. | Aug 22 11:58 |
| oiaohm | When infact MS cannot implement OOXML either. | Aug 22 11:59 |
| gnufreex | A bug in other people's stuff. That they would like. | Aug 22 11:59 |
| oiaohm | To be more correct have not implemented. | Aug 22 11:59 |
| oiaohm | OpenOffice has a fully writen to standard exporter for OOXML they will not release to production because MS Office cannot read it. | Aug 22 11:59 |
| oiaohm | So yes google could do it too. | Aug 22 12:00 |
| oiaohm | But what is the point. | Aug 22 12:00 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] WRT Julian Assange - next step would be to somehow link him to child abuse. But somehow "they" underestimate the change that happened. | Aug 22 12:08 | |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: The point is: Microsoft should not be alowed to advertise malicious feature as an adventige. Every time they do it, it should pe pointed that it is malicious feautre and it should be turned to their disadvantage. They should made look bad. That is what Google did when Microsoft braged that Google Docs cant read MS crap. | Aug 22 12:08 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Reminder: US intelligence planned to destroy WikiLeaks as far back as 2008 http://bit.ly/9UkJkN | Aug 22 12:09 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @jwildeboer next step would be to somehow link [Wikileaks] to child abuse. But somehow "they" underestimate the change that happened. | Aug 22 12:16 | |
| schestowitz | grep -B is a nice command :=_ | Aug 22 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Don't forget to use it with -A as well at times. schestowitz | Aug 22 12:22 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Israili army's female recruits denounce treatment of Palistinians http://bit.ly/cxkYbF | Aug 22 12:29 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Israeli army's female recruits denounce treatment of Palestinians | World news | The Observer .::. Size~: 72.17 KB | Aug 22 12:29 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: I do | Aug 22 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Actually I just did to check around a netsplit when you said: | Aug 22 12:31 |
| schestowitz | "oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2010/08/probabilistic-processors-possibly-potent.ars analogo chip is backAug 19 01:39" | Aug 22 12:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Probabilistic processors possibly pack potent punch .::. Size~: 31.12 KB | Aug 22 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Yep they are back. | Aug 22 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Tech from the early days of computer design. | Aug 22 12:33 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Does that mean that patents are expired? | Aug 22 12:34 |
| gnufreex | :-) | Aug 22 12:34 |
| MinceR | http://wanderingstan.com/2009-12-11/65-reasons-mac-sucks | Aug 22 12:35 |
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| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_computer | Aug 22 12:35 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Analog computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 85.27 KB | Aug 22 12:35 |
| oiaohm | No gnufreex someone has found a way to handle them at long last | Aug 22 12:35 |
| oiaohm | Biggest problem with analog was having to phsysically wire and set them up. | Aug 22 12:35 |
| oiaohm | And interference. | Aug 22 12:36 |
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| oiaohm | If the probabilistic has solved this we will be able to times the ammount of computer power per chip by at least 8. gnufreex | Aug 22 12:36 |
| oiaohm | And I do mean at least 8. | Aug 22 12:37 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Yeah. But reliability is a problem with this | Aug 22 12:37 |
| gnufreex | I think they will put it in average joe's compuer and then charge EXTRAAA for reliability. | Aug 22 12:38 |
| oiaohm | We are hitting the wall anyhow. | Aug 22 12:38 |
| oiaohm | with digatal. | Aug 22 12:38 |
| oiaohm | Note by 64 would be possible if I was not allowing for running 4 side by side to cancel out errors. | Aug 22 12:38 |
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| gnufreex | I think we are not yet close to hitting the top | Aug 22 12:40 |
| gnufreex | Wall is artificial | Aug 22 12:40 |
| gnufreex | It is created by Intel monopoly and crappy x86 | Aug 22 12:40 |
| oiaohm | We have already hit one wall gnufreex | Aug 22 12:41 |
| gnufreex | You mean Ghz? | Aug 22 12:41 |
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| oiaohm | Have you not noticed cpu clock speeds have stopped getting faster. | Aug 22 12:41 |
| gnufreex | That is just temporary setback, and also the problem of x86 | Aug 22 12:41 |
| oiaohm | Its not tempory. | Aug 22 12:42 |
| gnufreex | IBM hut 6GHz with Power6 | Aug 22 12:42 |
| oiaohm | Power6 is right on limit. | Aug 22 12:42 |
| gnufreex | There is new materials that can be used to hit 100 Ghz, I read somewhere about it | Aug 22 12:42 |
| gnufreex | But requires some reworking of the fabs | Aug 22 12:43 |
| oiaohm | They are not stable yet. | Aug 22 12:43 |
| oiaohm | And may not be able to be made stable. | Aug 22 12:43 |
| gnufreex | I am betting on Tilera | Aug 22 12:43 |
| gnufreex | http://www.tilera.com/ | Aug 22 12:43 |
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| oiaohm | Over 6 ghz freaky things start happening. | Aug 22 12:43 |
| oiaohm | Like near by wires picking up voltage from no where due to induction. | Aug 22 12:44 |
| gnufreex | High clocks do not mean better performance always. | Aug 22 12:45 |
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| gnufreex | IBM had to chop branch prdiciton and out-of-order execution to hit 6 Ghz | Aug 22 12:46 |
| oiaohm | Note silcon transistors support 40 ghz. | Aug 22 12:46 |
| gnufreex | * that should say prediction | Aug 22 12:47 |
| oiaohm | So if the induction problem did not exist 10 to 20 ghz chips would be possible with current silcon tech. | Aug 22 12:47 |
| oiaohm | Ie we are walled in by a problem faster transistors will not fix. gnufreex | Aug 22 12:48 |
| gnufreex | True. Did you checked out Tilera, oiaohm | Aug 22 12:48 |
| oiaohm | Used them gnufreex | Aug 22 12:48 |
| gnufreex | Multicore has only problem of programing | Aug 22 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Nice chips for the right job. | Aug 22 12:49 |
| oiaohm | Not all jobs are multi threaded. | Aug 22 12:49 |
| oiaohm | So sometimes Multi core is poinless. | Aug 22 12:49 |
| oiaohm | pointless | Aug 22 12:49 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but idea is to make all multithreaded as it can be. But it doesn't work well. | Aug 22 12:50 |
| gnufreex | For what you used Tilera? | Aug 22 12:50 |
| oiaohm | They make good firewall boxes | Aug 22 12:51 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, that is great. But I was thinking, they could make good webservers. Appache HTTPD is really multythreaded. It runs great on UltraSPARC T | Aug 22 12:52 |
| gnufreex | But I think Linux doesn't scale verticaly as good as Solaris (yet) | Aug 22 12:53 |
| oiaohm | Linux kernel is only starting to reach a point where it could be really useful on a Tilera | Aug 22 12:53 |
| oiaohm | The kernel lock reductions are cureing that gnufreex | Aug 22 12:53 |
| gnufreex | Yes, they are removing BKL | Aug 22 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Also Linux is theating to go straight past solaris with multi cpu real-time support. | Aug 22 12:54 |
| oiaohm | So that on time can be ensured. | Aug 22 12:54 |
| oiaohm | We are not far off solaris not having any more advantages. | Aug 22 12:55 |
| gnufreex | Did they remove BKL yet? I didn't pay antention. Alan Cox tried in january. | Aug 22 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Most is gone from 2.6.36 the upcoming. | Aug 22 12:55 |
| oiaohm | But work will still be on going on the fine details for another 12 months. | Aug 22 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Ie should this driver have a lock at all. | Aug 22 12:56 |
| gnufreex | But that is just a start. When BKL is gone, they need to create better threading model. | Aug 22 12:56 |
| gnufreex | Mutexes and such | Aug 22 12:56 |
| gnufreex | It will take a while. | Aug 22 12:57 |
| oiaohm | Mutexes are already heavly used. | Aug 22 12:57 |
| oiaohm | That has happed as part of the BKL removal process. | Aug 22 12:57 |
| oiaohm | The tricky one is working out where you should be using RCU. gnufreex | Aug 22 12:57 |
| gnufreex | Really? I am really missing things. I need to pay attention. | Aug 22 12:58 |
| gnufreex | on LKML | Aug 22 12:58 |
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| gnufreex | oiaohm: I was reading Hurd code other day. It has some great threading stuff (in Hurd servers). But Mach sucks and it is buggy, so threading don't work at all. Only 1 CPU. | Aug 22 13:02 |
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| gnufreex | oiaohm: What Tilera runs? I thought it is Linux, but you say they just ported it... what they used before. | Aug 22 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Tilera is interesting. Yes is prime OS is Linux. | Aug 22 13:09 |
| oiaohm | But there is a hypervisor setup in hardware gnufreex | Aug 22 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Allowing the allocation of processor cores. | Aug 22 13:10 |
| gnufreex | Yes, I know. It has partitioning like a mainframe. | Aug 22 13:10 |
| oiaohm | The partitioning allows working around Linux scheduler issues. | Aug 22 13:11 |
| oiaohm | But you are really not extracting the max out the chip yet. | Aug 22 13:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie max requires Linux to work. | Aug 22 13:11 |
| gnufreex | What issues? | Aug 22 13:11 |
| oiaohm | BLK left overs and Multi core real-time missing | Aug 22 13:11 |
| gnufreex | Right, I know that. But that won't crash kernel. | Aug 22 13:13 |
| gnufreex | It just wont give good performace. | Aug 22 13:14 |
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| gnufreex | xkcd said Linux supports 4096 CPUs :-) | Aug 22 13:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: it supports whatever you configure your kernel with | Aug 22 13:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think the value is an int. | Aug 22 13:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | might be a short | Aug 22 13:15 |
| gnufreex | CFS schedular supports something like 4096... or that was for previous scheduler? | Aug 22 13:16 |
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| gnufreex | http://xkcd.com/619/ | Aug 22 13:16 |
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| gnufreex | I watched Red Hat summit video, it says 64 000 cores. | Aug 22 13:17 |
| gnufreex | That is probably new limit. | Aug 22 13:17 |
| gnufreex | But of course, it is not tested. That is just theory. | Aug 22 13:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: its not about the sched | Aug 22 13:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | its about the size of the variable that cpu ids get shoved in :D | Aug 22 13:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and btw, CFS will utterly shit itself on 4096 cpus | Aug 22 13:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only way you're getting a single linux instance running on that many cpus is with virtualized hardware support | Aug 22 13:19 |
| schestowitz | florian/floyd is still at it... | Aug 22 13:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | like on POWER | Aug 22 13:19 |
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| Diablo-D3 | and BFS will probably shit itself too... but at least X will still work when it does. | Aug 22 13:19 |
| gnufreex | BFS shits itself on 8 cores already | Aug 22 13:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | not true. | Aug 22 13:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | BFS runs well on 8 cores | Aug 22 13:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one has tried it beyond 16 cores though | Aug 22 13:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I think con is wrong about BFS theoretically shitting itself on 24 or 32 | Aug 22 13:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | because no one has ever actually TESTED it | Aug 22 13:30 |
| oiaohm | Depend against what workloads. | Aug 22 13:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: nope. | Aug 22 13:31 |
| oiaohm | The deadline type BFS is does have problems with particular workloads. | Aug 22 13:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | mingo has contrived benchmarks that make BFS look bad | Aug 22 13:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the benchmarks do not reflect any known reality. | Aug 22 13:32 |
| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/398470/ Against this type of deadline BFS does have problems. | Aug 22 13:33 |
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| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Ingo molnar tested it on some bigger box. I think 16 cores. It didn't exactly shit itself, but it ran much slower than it should. | Aug 22 13:33 |
| oiaohm | The issue is BFS cannot issue dead-lines matching task requirements. | Aug 22 13:33 |
| gnufreex | I think definition of "shiting itself" is not same by you as by me. | Aug 22 13:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: ingo molnar == mingo | Aug 22 13:34 |
| gnufreex | I think shiting itself is when it runs much slower than competitor. | Aug 22 13:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thats the benchmark Im speaking of | Aug 22 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Kovises rejection of cgrouping with schedulering. | Aug 22 13:34 |
| oiaohm | Has left the door open to IRMOS and others. | Aug 22 13:35 |
| gnufreex | Sorry, I didn't look what you posted. I know Ingo Molnar is mingo | Aug 22 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | he intentionally wrote a benchmark that doesn't reflect any real usage of a machine ver | Aug 22 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | *ever | Aug 22 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: Con rejects cgroups because its a retarded idea | Aug 22 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just bolts more code onto the sched with zero benefit. | Aug 22 13:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, it is a problem. CFS should drop cgroups. | Aug 22 13:35 |
| oiaohm | cgroups used with dead-line do have task advantages. | Aug 22 13:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, they dont. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| oiaohm | They do. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, they dont. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats been pretty much proven. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| oiaohm | IRMOS achives far high untilisation than what CFS or BFS does. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | I doubt it. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | IRMOS probably has an accounting bug. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| oiaohm | No. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | if it uses code like CFS's, it does. | Aug 22 13:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | CFS has extremely bad accounting | Aug 22 13:37 |
| oiaohm | IRMOS contains no CFS code. | Aug 22 13:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | that doesnt mean it doesnt account the same way. | Aug 22 13:37 |
| oiaohm | Different accounting. | Aug 22 13:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | con wrote a program that makes CFS say the program uses 100% cpu time, yet its using none. | Aug 22 13:37 |
| oiaohm | IRMOS from the Dead-line class like BFS is. | Aug 22 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: also, no one gives a fuck about IRMOS | Aug 22 13:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | if IRMOS is not getting into mainline, its dead. | Aug 22 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Blocks of IRMOS are heading mainline. | Aug 22 13:38 |
| oiaohm | IRMOS is a cooperative Deal-line design. | Aug 22 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Where the applications tell the scheduler what there deal-line requirements are. | Aug 22 13:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | so a broken design. | Aug 22 13:40 |
| oiaohm | No. | Aug 22 13:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it sounds like an overly complex fuckup that can be replaced with sched_iso on bfs | Aug 22 13:40 |
| gnufreex | Applications to tell scheduler what to do? That is something like VIengoos? | Aug 22 13:40 |
| oiaohm | What is the point of giving applications cpu time at times they don't need it. | Aug 22 13:40 |
| oiaohm | For tasks requiring to respond to real-time events its pointless. | Aug 22 13:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: BFS nor CFS do that | Aug 22 13:41 |
| oiaohm | That is BFS problem. | Aug 22 13:41 |
| oiaohm | Yep neither BFS or CFS are capable of getting near max untilisation. | Aug 22 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Due to waste. | Aug 22 13:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | uh-huh. | Aug 22 13:42 |
| oiaohm | Also IRMOS was designed multi core from the get go. | Aug 22 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Any ideas why for real time work grouping of tasks is important. Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 13:49 |
| oiaohm | When you work that out you will work out why cgroups are important. | Aug 22 13:50 |
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| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: I guess you don't get why BFS and CFS give processor time to procesess when they don't need it. Items checking for events need to wake up at particular times then if required process stuff. | Aug 22 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Problem is they have a dead line to have processing to provide answer to event. | Aug 22 14:06 |
| oiaohm | BFS and CFS don't ensure that critical processing will complete inside dead line windows. Infact they can allocate cpu time to less critical tasks causing deadlines to be missed. | Aug 22 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes on particular processes if they have not provided answer to event inside deadline the most effective thing is terminate process since its answer would just be junked anyhow. | Aug 22 14:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I dont know why you keep accusing BFS of this | Aug 22 14:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is one of the major things BFS fixes. | Aug 22 14:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | dont listen to mingo's fud | Aug 22 14:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes an idiot | Aug 22 14:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I find that ironic that steam isnt coming to linux | Aug 22 14:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | since I know the guy that ported it and source to linux for valve back in 2007 or 2008 | Aug 22 14:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | the so called osx port is just the linux port ported to sx | Aug 22 14:31 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: It is clear that BFS scales worse than CFS becasue Kolivas made it exactly for desktop and small boxes. Therefore, no way guys from Red Hat gonna like BFS. | Aug 22 14:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: you mean except for the fact no one has actually tried? | Aug 22 14:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | BFS should actually fly on a 32 core AMD box. | Aug 22 14:31 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but what affter that? 32 cores is laughable compared what SPARC boxes have. Solaris is competitor. | Aug 22 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: tell me how BFS sets per application termination for breaching deadline windows. | Aug 22 14:33 |
| oiaohm | BFS is older Dead-line design. | Aug 22 14:34 |
| gnufreex | Fujitsu M9000 has 64 CPUs, 4 cores each. By next year, it will be 8 cores each and 2 threads each. Linux should top that. And it ain't going to do it with BFS. | Aug 22 14:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: tell me why anything you're saying actually matters? | Aug 22 14:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you keep thinking BFS ignores scheduling priority | Aug 22 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you want your app to run more, up the priority. | Aug 22 14:35 |
| oiaohm | Guess what. scheduling priority is only half the story. | Aug 22 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you want it to have soft realtime, use sched_iso. | Aug 22 14:35 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Aug 22 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you want hard realtime, dont use bfs at all and use -rt2 | Aug 22 14:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if you want hard realtime on Linux, you're on the wrong OS anyhow | Aug 22 14:36 |
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| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: and no, typical SPARCs don't have that many cores | Aug 22 14:36 |
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| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: its the T1/T2 SPARCs that do, which is a totally different beast | Aug 22 14:36 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Fujitsu M9000 is high end system with 64 SPARC64 CPUs. | Aug 22 14:37 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: SPARC64 VII has 4 coires and 8 threads | Aug 22 14:38 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: SPARC64 VIII (venice) Will have 8 cores and 16 threads. | Aug 22 14:38 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Goes in same box. | Aug 22 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | SPARC T2 = v9, 8 cores, 8 threads per core | Aug 22 14:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and most T2s have two procs, so thats 128 threads. | Aug 22 14:39 |
| gnufreex | UltraSPARC T2+ goes up to 4 CPUs. I am talking about biger boxes. Fujitsu SPARC64 goes in that. | Aug 22 14:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think you misunderstood. | Aug 22 14:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | T2s _are_ the bigger boxes | Aug 22 14:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | and yes, T2 can probably do MORE than 4 cpus, its just that most boxes shipped only have two | Aug 22 14:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | a single T2 in a box uses like 120+ watts iirc | Aug 22 14:40 |
| gnufreex | No, UltraSPARC T2+ goes up to 4 CPUs, glueless, without chipset. | Aug 22 14:40 |
| gnufreex | http://www.fujitsu.com/global/services/computing/server/sparcenterprise/products/m9000/ | Aug 22 14:41 |
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| gnufreex | This is big SPARC64 box from Fujitsu | Aug 22 14:41 |
| gnufreex | That was I talking about. | Aug 22 14:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I suspect that box isnt a computer at all. | Aug 22 14:41 |
| gnufreex | There is no bigger than that. | Aug 22 14:41 |
| gnufreex | Sure it is. | Aug 22 14:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | No, its an integrated cluster. | Aug 22 14:41 |
| gnufreex | No. It is Single system image. | Aug 22 14:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a pile of shit | Aug 22 14:42 |
| gnufreex | I can be partitioned. | Aug 22 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Hard real-time and Soft real-time is grantable by IRMOS. The thing BFS don't know due to only using scheduling priority is exactly when a task group need to wake up and dispose of a taskgroup when it runs over time. scheduling prioritys don;t stop you from wasting time processing stuff that will never be used. Due to deadlines being past and now being junk. | Aug 22 14:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | it needs 32 cpus to do 128 threads. | Aug 22 14:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: dude, you're wrong, give up already. | Aug 22 14:42 |
| gnufreex | UltraSPARC goes into clusters. | Aug 22 14:42 |
| oiaohm | I am not wrong Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: niagra IS an ultrasparc you twit. | Aug 22 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Deadline to respond to real-time task. | Aug 22 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just a much better designed one | Aug 22 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: that M9000 is an out of date pile of crap | Aug 22 14:43 |
| gnufreex | I KNOW NIAGARA IS ULTRASPARCK | Aug 22 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | 32 cpus? really? | Aug 22 14:43 |
| oiaohm | Not just deadline blocks CPU time blocks BFS does. | Aug 22 14:43 |
| gnufreex | M9000 is bigest box curently available. | Aug 22 14:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: so why are you intentionally ignoring the fact BFS will have ran your app several times before the deadline is up/ | Aug 22 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: in size? yes. | Aug 22 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: in power? probably not. | Aug 22 14:44 |
| gnufreex | SPARC64 if from FUJITSU not SUN | Aug 22 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, its from Sun. | Aug 22 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Again what is the point of running a task more times than it needs. Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 14:44 |
| oiaohm | Its only waste. | Aug 22 14:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Fujitsu just has the license to make their own SPARC machines | Aug 22 14:44 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: because you fail to understand how time slices work? | Aug 22 14:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: and you also fail to understand BFS can continually keep running a process without interruption if there is nothing to interrupt it? | Aug 22 14:45 |
| oiaohm | And what I am talking about is meeting deadlines on a noisely system. | Aug 22 14:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: which means your example is designed wrong | Aug 22 14:46 |
| oiaohm | You don't have the luck of dead quite. | Aug 22 14:46 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: FUJITSU boxes are reslod by Oracle now. If there was no M9000, SPARC would be dead. Only that can compete with POWER on high end | Aug 22 14:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: not only that, you're still failing to understand how BFS works | Aug 22 14:46 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: You are also wrong about BFS. | Aug 22 14:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: er no | Aug 22 14:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: the only thing that competes with POWER is niagra. | Aug 22 14:47 |
| gnufreex | That is im mid range | Aug 22 14:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | its mid _sized_. | Aug 22 14:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | slight difference. | Aug 22 14:47 |
| gnufreex | At high end, it is POWER vs SPARC64 (from Fujitsu) | Aug 22 14:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont have to take up a whole rack to have a lot of CPU power. | Aug 22 14:47 |
| cubevector | blah, running eus through ssh isn't very fast | Aug 22 14:48 |
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| cubezzz | ok that doesn't work | Aug 22 14:49 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Niagara sucks at non-threaded tasks. SPARC64 has better single thread performace, and it packs more CPUs. | Aug 22 14:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: its not that it "sucks" at it | Aug 22 14:49 |
| gnufreex | So they partition it. | Aug 22 14:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | its that you're an idiot if you buy a $20k box and not keep it loaded. | Aug 22 14:49 |
| oiaohm | You are under the presume Diablo-D3 that what is required to respond to a real-time event will always be a single process. That interruption and sharing will be required for particular real-time events to complete. Also system could have to be responding to multi real-time events triggered at one time. | Aug 22 14:50 |
| oiaohm | Ie noisly Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: so in other words, you're suggesting a realtime system should be designed wrong. | Aug 22 14:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | bzzzzt, wrong answer. | Aug 22 14:50 |
| oiaohm | No. | Aug 22 14:50 |
| oiaohm | This what I am talking about is quite well handled by IRMOS | Aug 22 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | so IRMOS handles badly designed software? thats a bug, not a feature. | Aug 22 14:51 |
| oiaohm | No. | Aug 22 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes. | Aug 22 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | a badly designed realtime app that cannot complete the event in the alloted time is _badly designed_ | Aug 22 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | period. | Aug 22 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can try to dance around the issue all you want, and it won't work. | Aug 22 14:52 |
| oiaohm | You are presuming in realworld failures don't happen. | Aug 22 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats the same idiot logic mingo tries to use | Aug 22 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | "WELL, THIS 9000 LINES OF EXTRA CODE DO SHIT" | Aug 22 14:52 |
| oiaohm | No matter how well you design you app. Something can happen to cause it to fail. | Aug 22 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Now a good system will have failsafes where there can so damage will be limited. | Aug 22 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, no, your silly little band will have to record their silly little dmeo thats going to be rejected anyhow | Aug 22 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | *re-record | Aug 22 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | the rest of us will be running our cruise missiles with operating systems OTHER than linux. | Aug 22 14:54 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough you are on the right topic bring up music. | Aug 22 14:55 |
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| oiaohm | One of the areas where cooperative realtime does come into is own is audio production. Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and BFS excels at it | Aug 22 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | CFS needs stupid shit like setting jack and shit to realtime | Aug 22 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough BFS is number 4. | Aug 22 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then everyone wonders why their box locks up. | Aug 22 14:56 |
| oiaohm | CFS is about 20 on lines. | Aug 22 14:57 |
| oiaohm | list. | Aug 22 14:57 |
| oiaohm | of different shedulers for doing audio work effectively. | Aug 22 14:57 |
| oiaohm | The 3 above BFS are all cooperative types. | Aug 22 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: actual music artists who use linux prefer BFS | Aug 22 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | so you can keep talking, but no one is actually listening. | Aug 22 14:57 |
| oiaohm | that was 6 months ago. Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: btw, Im reading about that sparc viii | Aug 22 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: apparently, fujitsu implemented something quite similar to niagra, but didnt shove it off into it's own platform | Aug 22 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: so, in other words, niagra is so well designed, fujitsu had to backport the awesomeness just to stay relevant | Aug 22 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats amusing as hell | Aug 22 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh, and apparently T3 has been officially announced | Aug 22 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | 16 cores, 128 threads, and it still supports 4 sockets per box | Aug 22 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | so 512 threads | Aug 22 15:01 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: VIII should be out next year. It goes in same 9000 boxes. And it is nothing like NIagara. Niagara is in-order mulithreaded (8 threads per core). VIII (venice) has 2 threads per core and it has out-of-order execution. | Aug 22 15:01 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: SPARC64 has higher clocked and bigger cores. Niagara has small cores and lots of threads. | Aug 22 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: niagra dropped OoO because its actually faster to just rapidly switch between threads | Aug 22 15:02 |
| gnufreex | Nothing in common. | Aug 22 15:02 |
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| Diablo-D3 | I think you need to rephrase your comment | Aug 22 15:03 |
| cubevector | no more eus via ssh for me | Aug 22 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | niagra is a sparc64 implementation | Aug 22 15:03 |
| gnufreex | Yes, if you have highly threaded workload, then Niagara is good. | Aug 22 15:03 |
| gnufreex | SPARC64 is brand of Fujitsu processors | Aug 22 15:03 |
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| gnufreex | Like UltraSPARC is a brand | Aug 22 15:03 |
| gnufreex | Specification in question is SPARC v9 | Aug 22 15:04 |
| gnufreex | I don't need to rephrase my comment | Aug 22 15:04 |
| gnufreex | :-) | Aug 22 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, and both do SPARC v9 | Aug 22 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: btw | Aug 22 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | viii _does_ do SMT pretty much the same way | Aug 22 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only difference is the actual core design | Aug 22 15:04 |
| cubevector | w | Aug 22 15:05 |
| gnufreex | No, they don't do nearly anything in same way. | Aug 22 15:05 |
| gnufreex | Fujitsu are like POWER7 | Aug 22 15:05 |
| gnufreex | Not same but you get the picture | Aug 22 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Aug 22 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | power7 is more like T3. | Aug 22 15:05 |
| gnufreex | Oh no | Aug 22 15:06 |
| gnufreex | It have some resemblence but no | Aug 22 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | power7 is making the underlying transport more complex, but trying to make the actual cores less complex and have more threads per core | Aug 22 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I doubt they'll ever go as far as remove OoO (although there is a powerpc impl that has), but they're reversing the trend of complex cores | Aug 22 15:07 |
| gnufreex | Power7 does out-of-order execution and has pretty long pipline. | Aug 22 15:07 |
| gnufreex | *pipeline | Aug 22 15:07 |
| gnufreex | UltraSPARC T is kinda like lots of Atoms. But more threaded and cooler. | Aug 22 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Aug 22 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | atoms can do OoE | Aug 22 15:08 |
| gnufreex | Atoms are in-order | Aug 22 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: the problem is | Aug 22 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | power7 does SMT correctly, niagra does SMT correctly, jupiter/venus does SMT correctly | Aug 22 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | vi and earlier do not. | Aug 22 15:09 |
| gnufreex | Venus does SMT, niagara does CMT. Those are diferent concepts it is not just marketing | Aug 22 15:10 |
| gnufreex | CMT does barrel of threads | Aug 22 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | cmt = interleaved multithreading? | Aug 22 15:11 |
| gnufreex | Something like that. | Aug 22 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | T1 did that | Aug 22 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | T2/T3 doesnt | Aug 22 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and T1 did it bizzarely | Aug 22 15:11 |
| gnufreex | T2 and T3 does it, but in litle different way. | Aug 22 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | T2/3 do SMT the same way POWERs that do it do it | Aug 22 15:12 |
| _Goblin | Doesn't T3 melt and is able to mimick other people/ojects? ;) | Aug 22 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: thats T9000 | Aug 22 15:12 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 22 15:12 |
| _Goblin | but its T3 the film | Aug 22 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | then you mean T2 the film. | Aug 22 15:12 |
| _Goblin | was it? | Aug 22 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes. | Aug 22 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | T3/T4/T the series never happened. | Aug 22 15:12 |
| _Goblin | oh but you had a melty woman on T3 didn't you? | Aug 22 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | like I said, T3 never happened. | Aug 22 15:13 |
| _Goblin | I wish everything after T1 had never happened..... | Aug 22 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, T2 is fine | Aug 22 15:13 |
| _Goblin | sorry to interupt with my sillyness anyway. | Aug 22 15:13 |
| _Goblin | just caught the back end of your conversation. | Aug 22 15:13 |
| gnufreex | TX is hot | Aug 22 15:13 |
| _Goblin | yep | Aug 22 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | T2's true ending ends with sarah conner, now very old, watching the war _never happen_ | Aug 22 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | thus, all sequels simply do not exist. | Aug 22 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I refuse to watch them | Aug 22 15:14 |
| _Goblin | but T3 was still hot. | Aug 22 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | it didnt even have arnold | Aug 22 15:14 |
| _Goblin | existing or not | Aug 22 15:14 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[openbytes/@openbytes] LIstening to: Captain/Image - "Space Debris" from the Assembly 1991 demo comp! !demoscene !mod !amiga http://tinyurl.com/3x9wnv4 | Aug 22 15:15 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: T1 is, sadly, more like Intel's hyperthreading | Aug 22 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is disturbing. | Aug 22 15:15 |
| _Goblin | like I say...sorry.... | Aug 22 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | _Goblin: heh, Ive had space debris on my hd for eyars | Aug 22 15:15 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Well sort of. Except they managed to put 4 threads. | Aug 22 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: they managed to make it not suck total dick. | Aug 22 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: and btw, its unfair to say T2/T3 are strictly in order | Aug 22 15:17 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: T2 with 8 threads has two execution units per core, and 4 threads for each execution unit. Which makes 8 threads per core. And of coruse, each EU has barrel. So it is pretty interesting. | Aug 22 15:17 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Neither POWER7 nor Fujitusu does that. | Aug 22 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | T2/T3 simultaneously issues the instructions from all the threads for that core | Aug 22 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it executes them. | Aug 22 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesn't OoE from the thread's perspective | Aug 22 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | just from the execution's perspective | Aug 22 15:18 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: No. It issues 2 instructions simultaniosly, while 6 threads wait. | Aug 22 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: and no, it actually has more than two execution units | Aug 22 15:19 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @webmink "Oracle’s decision to fork is actually a relief to those of us whose businesses depend on OpenSolaris": http://icio.us/4f1mfr | Aug 22 15:20 | |
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| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Where did you read that? I think it has 2 EU per core. | Aug 22 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | has an fpu unit per core now =P | Aug 22 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | T1 had one per cpu. durrrrrrrrrrr. | Aug 22 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont care what the workload of the T1 was supposed to be, that was a dumb move | Aug 22 15:21 |
| gnufreex | Yes, I hated that. It is stupid to have one FPU CPU | Aug 22 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | although, otoh, I often write code without floats if I can | Aug 22 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, how many fucktards use floats for sound mixing | Aug 22 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | DO NOT USE FLOATS YOU RETARD. | Aug 22 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | ALL THE SOUNDS ARE THE SAME MAGNITUDE | Aug 22 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: did I mention I hate programmers? | Aug 22 15:24 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Not sure I could get motivated to clean my bathroom w/out oggcasts. Got !lo 163 & #WWDTM queued for the big job ahead. Should be enough. | Aug 22 15:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | 99.9% of programmers should have their hands chopped off | Aug 22 15:25 |
| gnufreex | FPU and "execution uinit" is not same. EU is a pipeline and some other stuff. If I read papers corect | Aug 22 15:25 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Why? | Aug 22 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | why are programmers dumb? I dont know. | Aug 22 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | not everyone can be knuth, I guess. | Aug 22 15:25 |
| ThistleWeb | I've come to the conclusion this channel can be the IRC living embodiment of the Monty Python Argument Sketch - "Good morning, I've come for an argument" "Ah yes, will that be the 5 minute argument or the full half hour?" | Aug 22 15:26 |
| cubevector | half hour at least :) | Aug 22 15:26 |
| gnufreex | Haha. | Aug 22 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: heh | Aug 22 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: seriously, like, look at java | Aug 22 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why people hate java? | Aug 22 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | not because java sucks. | Aug 22 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | but because THE ENTIRE COUNTRY OF INDIA SUCKS | Aug 22 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | THE. WHOLE. THING> | Aug 22 15:27 |
| gnufreex | Diablo-D3: Bullocks. Java is great. | Aug 22 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | while they're not answering our phones, they're writing ungodly horrible code | Aug 22 15:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | and by writing, I mean googling for the answer and copypastaing it | Aug 22 15:27 |
| oiaohm | There is worse Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnufreex: yes, java is great | Aug 22 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | but WHY THE FUCK DID WE LET THE REST OF THE PLANET IN ON IT | Aug 22 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Have you see the result of people who love speggitti code. Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just wanna punch dumb motherfuckers in the face until they cease | Aug 22 15:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: dont fuck with me man, I'll knife you | Aug 22 15:28 |
| oiaohm | I had a recent case of a Batch file for making a Windows PE USB stick. | Aug 22 15:29 |
| oiaohm | I wish I had never seen it. | Aug 22 15:29 |
| ThistleWeb | Diablo-D3: wow, what a mature, rational way to win an argument, start shouting then threaten to knife | Aug 22 15:29 |
| *ThistleWeb applauds | Aug 22 15:29 | |
| oiaohm | Makes anything I have seen in java look sane Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 15:30 |
| ThistleWeb | you're not any relation to Ryan are you? | Aug 22 15:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: its not an argument | Aug 22 15:30 |
| gnufreex | TheRyan? | Aug 22 15:30 |
| oiaohm | 8 self calls of it self deep because coder could not work out a sane way todo functions. | Aug 22 15:30 |
| ThistleWeb | oh, it's abuse, gotcha | Aug 22 15:31 |
| ThistleWeb | clearly the Python sketch in action again | Aug 22 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a grand, almost unspeakable in nature, pure hate of bad code. | Aug 22 15:31 |
| ThistleWeb | I love the extremes in here, everything even remotely not quite right is "evil" | Aug 22 15:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: also, its a batch file? I dont think batch files even HAVE shit like that | Aug 22 15:32 |
| ThistleWeb | still it makes for a more obvious debate team | Aug 22 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Yep it was a batch file Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Tones of if statements goto's Basically 10 000 lines of of almost impossible to read stuff that could about been done in about 2000 lines of vbs or js. | Aug 22 15:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: copy. pasta. java. using. google. | Aug 22 15:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | ThistleWeb: someday Im going to acquire a nuke, and all the java bugs will be gone. | Aug 22 15:33 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah you do that | Aug 22 15:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | and by "bugs will be gone" I mean "mass genocide" | Aug 22 15:34 |
| ThistleWeb | meanwhile back in reality | Aug 22 15:34 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @openattitude Cast your vote for the most evil tech company of the day... | TechSource http://ur1.ca/17fg2 | Aug 22 15:35 | |
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| ThistleWeb | eeegods, using religious terminology, and then complain when we're painted in religious terms as a cult | Aug 22 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Sane way todo functions with batch files is use more files. Diablo-D3 Trying to stack everything into one ends up with a entry for the worlds worst code. | Aug 22 15:36 |
| *ThistleWeb loves the smell of double standards int he morning | Aug 22 15:36 | |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: thats... even more disgusting | Aug 22 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Even better don't use batch file for it. | Aug 22 15:36 |
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| oiaohm | Not like sane solutions are lacking. | Aug 22 15:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[jwildeboer] Last blog entry on #joindiaspora is from 20100701. Are they lost in their own diaspora? ;-) | Aug 22 15:37 | |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yeah | Aug 22 15:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | just write a fucking C program for it | Aug 22 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | or something | Aug 22 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | or use that disgusting vba scripting shit | Aug 22 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what I've decided vba scripting is? | Aug 22 15:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | its js, but you replace all the syntax with a vb-alike. | Aug 22 15:38 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] Pentagon lies about WikiLeaks exposed | Salon http://bit.ly/bPbcN8 | Aug 22 15:39 | |
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| oiaohm | I have a translater between vba and js | Aug 22 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes they are that close Diablo-D3 | Aug 22 15:39 |
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| oiaohm | Just remember the next time you are looking at a java program and going o my god this is bad. Be thanking you lucky stars they did no try to do it batch file. | Aug 22 15:41 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Even though Singapore lost 2-0 to Haiti in the semifinals of the YOG football game, I think we have a fantastic team for the future! #fb | Aug 22 15:45 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] It is disappointing that the Haitian football players were acting up and running the clock by delays. This is what the seniors play :-( #fb | Aug 22 15:45 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] What the dbldip recession will look like: http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/110344/what-the-double-dip-recession-will-look-like | Aug 22 15:55 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] "I was wrong. Wikileaks .. did its level best to work with the DoD to redact .. names that might harm innocent Afghans" http://bit.ly/du0Dm | Aug 22 16:19 | |
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| DaemonFC | "news" stories about Apple bricking jailbroken hypephones are still surfacing | Aug 22 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | like it's a shock, or the first time it has happened | Aug 22 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 22 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've been pleased with my jailbroken J2ME phone that came with my plan | Aug 22 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | Samsung isn't bricking the firmware over breaking AT&T's "lockdowns" | Aug 22 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | really these smartphones are a lot like the various editions of Windows | Aug 22 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | they're all capable of exactly the same thing, but they disable features to create "tiers" | Aug 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Samsung sucks, nbut... | Aug 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm stuck with a new Samsung monitor | Aug 22 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt it costs more to build a hypephone than it did to build the Samsung phone I got with my plan | Aug 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | One of my screens blew a fuse | Aug 22 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Now I have two LCDs :-s | Aug 22 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Samsung is vicious | Aug 22 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I worked out why that fan was making noises | Aug 22 17:01 |
| schestowitz | DRM, patent tax, crime (even CEO)... | Aug 22 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | that stupid plastic cooling duct they put on the case | Aug 22 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | which I removed | Aug 22 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 22 17:01 |
| schestowitz | You mean, Vista 7 logo? | Aug 22 17:01 |
| schestowitz | [openbytes/@openbytes] http://twitgoo.com/1j9mcg The hardest thing about replacing Windows 7 with Linux is getting the damn sticker off. !microsoft !windows | Aug 22 17:02 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: .::. Size~: 23.63 KB | Aug 22 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | no, there's a plastic duct that is positioned over the CPU fan | Aug 22 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | but it's bolted to the case wall | Aug 22 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | leaving about a quarter inch gap | Aug 22 17:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Microsoft-Releases-Massive-Patch-Tuesday-Security-Update-448919/ | Aug 22 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Releases Massive Patch Tuesday Security Update - Security from eWeek .::. Size~: 102.58 KB | Aug 22 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I got a samsa ogg player | Aug 22 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | it was pulling the fan slightly to the side and causing it to rattle when it was running at full speed | Aug 22 17:03 |
| schestowitz | *sansa | Aug 22 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | that's my thought anyway, the rattling hasn't happened since I removed it | Aug 22 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | fan is still running fine | Aug 22 17:04 |
| schestowitz | You always have problems with fans | Aug 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, fans are cheap | Aug 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | they tend to fail a lot | Aug 22 17:04 |
| schestowitz | [pun missed] | Aug 22 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | no, I just hate puns | Aug 22 17:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcworld.com/article/203840/if_the_ps3_is_jailbroken_can_we_have_other_os_back.html?tk=hp_new | Aug 22 17:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: If the PS3 is Jailbroken, Can We Have Other OS Back? - PCWorld .::. Size~: 69.07 KB | Aug 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | "protect the integrity of the console" | Aug 22 17:06 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[slashdot] The Case For Oracle http://bit.ly/ajg2Gy | Aug 22 17:06 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot Developers Story | The Case For Oracle .::. Size~: 47.64 KB | Aug 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | meaning people were using Linux to aide in ripping Blu Ray movies | Aug 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | like there's no other way to do that :) | Aug 22 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | At least Nintendo warns you when you update the firmware that your mods might break | Aug 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | and offers you the chance to decline | Aug 22 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | they don't block the online services over refusing the updates | Aug 22 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | basically I hold off on the firmware updates until there's an update to the mod that works with the new firmware | Aug 22 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | I think Nintendo is pretty fair about that | Aug 22 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's not their job to make sure your mods work, but they don't go out of their way to brick them or block your console's features | Aug 22 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft and Sony deliberately target modded consoles for bricking and banning without further warning | Aug 22 17:10 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/217671.asp | Aug 22 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft suggests Chrome as workaround for Hotmail issues .::. Size~: 75.44 KB | Aug 22 17:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/8/12/microsoft-advises-hotmail-users-browse-chrome/ | Aug 22 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Advises Hotmail Users To Browse With Chrome - ITProPortal.com .::. Size~: 49.14 KB | Aug 22 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that | Aug 22 17:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/12/hotmail_fixes_coming_to_a_browser_near_you_soon/ http://www.infoworld.com/t/collaboration/new-hotmail-clashes-fellow-microsoft-products-759 | Aug 22 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft: Hotmail fix coming soon to a browser near you • The Register .::. Size~: 24.42 KB | Aug 22 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: New Hotmail clashes with fellow Microsoft products | Collaboration - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 89.45 KB | Aug 22 17:11 |
| schestowitz | A bit old by now | Aug 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | Opera works fine, Firefox works fine, Chrome works fine, IE breaks Hotmail | Aug 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | classic | Aug 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | oh, and for a while Minefield would get Mobile Hotmail | Aug 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | but they fixed that | Aug 22 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 22 17:11 |
| schestowitz | Do the programmer not test their work with MSIE?http://www.switched.com/2010/08/12/having-issues-with-hotmail-microsoft-suggests-chrome/ | Aug 22 17:11 |
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| DaemonFC | well, Minefield still can't get attachments | Aug 22 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | you click on the attachment and nothing happens | Aug 22 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Don't use hotmail then | Aug 22 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/08/19/content-blocker-synchronization-and-nix-fixes | Aug 22 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Opera Desktop Team - Content blocker synchronization, and *nix fixes .::. Size~: 55.5 KB | Aug 22 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | "It has been a while since we added something to Opera Link, but with this "10.70" snapshot, we are introducing synchronization of the content blocker. This makes it easy to build and maintain a list of blocked items anywhere you go." | Aug 22 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | yay | Aug 22 17:14 |
| gnufreex | Floyd like cnet and zdnet! He said that in comments. Most trollish place there is, where the bloger is trolling coments is zdnet. | Aug 22 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | The comments in techrights? | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | I'll give you more info | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Flydster spams journos | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | When he started he made a blgopost blog | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Started with the staged TH story | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | THe blog was all anti-IBM | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | IBM IBM IBM>.. | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | ANd he mailed many journos,me too | Aug 22 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Same message sent separately many times | Aug 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | QUotes 'prepared' to add to stories | Aug 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | THen he created a twitter account | Aug 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Added lots of journos -- also MS ones and O'Gara -- as so-called friends/subs | Aug 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | And CNET/ZDNet among them | Aug 22 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Dana is his usefulIdiot(R) | Aug 22 17:20 |
| schestowitz | *ful | Aug 22 17:20 |
| schestowitz | There are others | Aug 22 17:20 |
| gnufreex | Dana does everything if it increases hits. | Aug 22 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Although they increasingly realised it's a lobbyist who just upsets readers, so just like Zuck he tries harder | Aug 22 17:20 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yes, that's Dana | Aug 22 17:20 |
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| schestowitz | But Dana has been OK with me, historically | Aug 22 17:21 |
| schestowitz | He used many images from my site | Aug 22 17:21 |
| schestowitz | I gave him a hard time for being fauxopen source | Aug 22 17:21 |
| schestowitz | To me, that's like assigning a mac user to run the Microsoft blog | Aug 22 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Dana didn't use Linux until last year | Aug 22 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Yet he ran the "Linux" blog for eyars | Aug 22 17:22 |
| gnufreex | Umm, Roy I think it's fauxpen http://www.fauxpensource.org/ | Aug 22 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: The Fauxpen Source Definition .::. Size~: 2.48 KB | Aug 22 17:22 |
| schestowitz | He thought FreeBSD was a Linux distro :-) | Aug 22 17:22 |
| gnufreex | Not fauxopen | Aug 22 17:22 |
| schestowitz | typo | Aug 22 17:22 |
| schestowitz | I called it pseudo for a long time | Aug 22 17:22 |
| schestowitz | 'Faux' came last year | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Domain ID:D156045834-LROR | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Domain Name:FAUXPENSOURCE.ORG | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Created On:03-May-2009 02:39:35 UTC | Aug 22 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im going to bed | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Last Updated On:01-Jun-2010 15:46:04 UTC | Aug 22 17:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | night all | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Expiration Date:03-May-2011 02:39:35 UTC | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.com, Inc. (R91-LROR) | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Status:CLIENT DELETE PROHIBITED | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Status:CLIENT RENEW PROHIBITED | Aug 22 17:23 |
| gnufreex | same goes with Mac Asay | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Status:CLIENT UPDATE PROHIBITED | Aug 22 17:23 |
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| schestowitz | Registrant ID:CR2453253 | Aug 22 17:23 |
| schestowitz | So yeah.. | Aug 22 17:24 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: nn | Aug 22 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: nn | Aug 22 17:24 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yeah | Aug 22 17:24 |
| gnufreex | He didn't use Linux until he got into Canonical | Aug 22 17:24 |
| schestowitz | MinceR gets angry when Asay is mentioned | Aug 22 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Asay came here to this channel before | Aug 22 17:24 |
| gnufreex | Why? | Aug 22 17:24 |
| schestowitz | To confront MinceR | Aug 22 17:24 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: he tried SUSE at Novell | Aug 22 17:25 |
| schestowitz | DIdn't like it | Aug 22 17:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | speaking of fauxpen... Asay | Aug 22 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Who can blame him? | Aug 22 17:25 |
| gnufreex | Why not to blame him? | Aug 22 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | Suse? Really? | Aug 22 17:25 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: "look at me, I wear a suit and I can tell those hippies how to get rich with that code thing they do. I'm a solicitor by the way, and I have a BLOG." | Aug 22 17:25 |
| gnufreex | SuSE was good before Novell did its job | Aug 22 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I know the type. | Aug 22 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it's no worse than any other Linux distro | Aug 22 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | don't pay attention to bug report | Aug 22 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Asay wrote for IDG as a guest of Dave Rosenberg | Aug 22 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Before that he was obscure on blogspot | Aug 22 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | or use them as a soapbox insult you for reporting the damned thing | Aug 22 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Only his family reads that | Aug 22 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Then he got invited by CNET, probably Shankland | Aug 22 17:26 |
| schestowitz | After OSBC 07/2008 IIIRC | Aug 22 17:27 |
| schestowitz | In OSBC 2008 he gave Microsoft a keynote IIRC | Aug 22 17:27 |
| schestowitz | So Stephen was there in 2007 in the photos... | Aug 22 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Now he's back to his domain with Dave... opensources.com and Canonical.com | Aug 22 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Too busy to blog | Aug 22 17:27 |
| schestowitz | Too controversial when he bashes rivals for hits | Aug 22 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | There's three kinds of Ubuntu bugs | Aug 22 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Asay almost took a job at Microsoft | Aug 22 17:28 |
| gnufreex | opensource.com? Red Hat's site? | Aug 22 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | Things they aren't qualified to fix, things that are "by design", and things that may get fixed if they play patch monkey with other distros | Aug 22 17:28 |
| gnufreex | Ahh, opensoruces | Aug 22 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Those who have read him since 2005 (like me) know why he needs to hide his past | Aug 22 17:28 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] I make the sports page! http://is.gd/ewIVt For the first and likely only time. ;-) | Aug 22 17:28 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: use Ubuntu, then we'll chat | Aug 22 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | no thanks | Aug 22 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | I've avoided Mac OS X | Aug 22 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: back to windows, eh? | Aug 22 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want imitation Mac OS X | Aug 22 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is infantile | Aug 22 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | even compared to Windows | Aug 22 17:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | so fix it! | Aug 22 17:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | you seem to have plenty of time | Aug 22 17:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | or, just keep kvetching and rationalising why you can't move off windows | Aug 22 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | if you do fix it, they'll make sure you break something else in the process | Aug 22 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | you'll find out about it later when the package manager is stuffed or something | Aug 22 17:31 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[sjvn] Two Tons of Steel. Not your usual cover of the Ramones' I want to be Sedated. http://is.gd/ewJhS | Aug 22 17:31 | |
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| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: so what you're saying is, Windows is state-of-the-art. How tragic for humanity, if that were true. | Aug 22 17:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: get off your ass, start using linux productively like millions do, and act constructively about things that you feel are broken. | Aug 22 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | making the user concern him/herself with stupid bullshit instead of just using the system is backwards | Aug 22 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | hell with them | Aug 22 17:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if everybody acted like you, there would be nothing at all in the open world | Aug 22 17:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: if you know how to fix it, make constructive suggestions in the right place. | Aug 22 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: or, shut up. | Aug 22 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | What's funny is how their bug reporter tends to complain that something you closed has crashed | Aug 22 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, there's an easy, simple one for you to start on. | Aug 22 17:33 |
| gnufreex | FurnaceBoy: Exactly. DaemonFC should put the code where his mouth is. | Aug 22 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | fix that. | Aug 22 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | so you end up needing to remove that too to get it to shut up | Aug 22 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: that sounds simple to fix, why don't you tackle it? | Aug 22 17:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: then you can cross it off your list. | Aug 22 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | apt-get purge apport apport-gtk | Aug 22 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 22 17:34 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: A pach is welcome (read: put up or shut up) | Aug 22 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | apt-get purge nvidia-common jockey jockey-gtk | Aug 22 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | apt-get purge ubuntuone-* | Aug 22 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Fine | Aug 22 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Install it first | Aug 22 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Do it | Aug 22 17:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: i guess he's still stuck in windows mindset, where you CAN'T fix anything and your only option is to complain without being heard. | Aug 22 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | apt-get purge indicator-messages | Aug 22 17:34 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[silner/@silner] Yey, the latest !Gwibber update fixes the #StatusNet bug. I can now read them again :D /by @jcsesecuneta | Aug 22 17:35 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[silner/@silner] !gwibber not updating facebook messages is a pain .. wahh /by @ssdirect | Aug 22 17:35 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[silner/@silner] !Gwibber with the latest daily build. #Pingfm and #GBuzz not yet (posting or reading). /by @jcsesecuneta | Aug 22 17:35 | |
| schestowitz | And then put up with it | Aug 22 17:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: wake up! it's COLLABORATIVE! | Aug 22 17:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: it can't work ANY OTHER WAY | Aug 22 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is almost usable after you take the wrecking ball to it | Aug 22 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | and make it work something like Debian | Aug 22 17:35 |
| *FurnaceBoy sees that DaemonFC doesn't get open source, priod. | Aug 22 17:35 | |
| FurnaceBoy | period* | Aug 22 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't have to take a wrecking ball to your OS to make it work without annoying the fuck out of you | Aug 22 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 22 17:35 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: So, what is wrong with Debian, then? | Aug 22 17:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | gimme an I! gimme a G! gimme an N! gimme an O! gimme an R! gimme an E! | Aug 22 17:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what do you do when windows annoys you? patch ? bitch? what? | Aug 22 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | FurnaceBoy: Solve the problem | Aug 22 17:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: LOL! | Aug 22 17:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: please explain | Aug 22 17:36 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: How do you solve the problem? | Aug 22 17:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: why the F*** don't you do that with the open products then? | Aug 22 17:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: where it's 1,000,000 times easier | Aug 22 17:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: i'm beginnig to think you're entirely hot, foul air. | Aug 22 17:37 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: Probably by jacking of in front Bill Gates picture | Aug 22 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | the concept of a general purpose OS is lost on Ubuntu entirely | Aug 22 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | even though they claim to be all about that | Aug 22 17:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: try answering the question we just asked you | Aug 22 17:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're scared of source code, methinks | Aug 22 17:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're windows level fixer | Aug 22 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | OK, they could be more like Mint, more worky, less whorebars | Aug 22 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Aug 22 17:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: yuo won't participate in open source because you're insecure about your ability. | Aug 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | "Outside candidates include two Softies: Microsoft COO Kevin Turner and Stephen Elop, president of the company's Business Division." http://rcpmag.com/blogs/the-schwartz-report/2010/08/hps-hurd-had-to-go.aspx | Aug 22 17:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: your level is registry orgasms | Aug 22 17:38 |
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| DaemonFC | no, because it's pointless | Aug 22 17:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: prove it | Aug 22 17:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: by doing one goddamn thing | Aug 22 17:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: until then, shut up | Aug 22 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | there's no such thing as collaboration in a system as closed as most "open source" software | Aug 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: your needs from Ubuntu don't matter | Aug 22 17:38 |
| gnufreex | FurnaceBoy: He probably thinks Microsoft can't do wrong. Since they have all that moneys, they must know better. So it is not a bug. It is feature | Aug 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | You're a Microsoft MVP | Aug 22 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | most distros tend to operate like Pidgin | Aug 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Intruder | Aug 22 17:38 |
| schestowitz | You're wasting jono's time toio | Aug 22 17:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's a tarpit | Aug 22 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | if it was possible to work from within to fix any of them, there wouldn't be another fork everytime someone got annoyed at a common problem | Aug 22 17:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | of defeatism and negativity, and misinformation | Aug 22 17:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: what a load of tosh | Aug 22 17:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: forks are the rare exception. | Aug 22 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Aug 22 17:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: look at all the market leaders. Not forked. | Aug 22 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's why there's only a million of them | Aug 22 17:39 |
| gnufreex | You can fix every Windows bug with correct amount of spin. | Aug 22 17:39 |
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| *schestowitz has kicked DaemonFC from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 17:39 | |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you're wrong | Aug 22 17:39 |
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| DaemonFC | there's a new distro every time someone wants to fix a problem with the original one, can't storms off and leaves | Aug 22 17:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: +1 | Aug 22 17:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: nonsense | Aug 22 17:40 |
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| DaemonFC | that means there's a bazillion Debians out there that all work a little differently | Aug 22 17:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: you don't seem to know much about linux at all. | Aug 22 17:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: or any of the packages that run on it | Aug 22 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Why are there 3rd and 4th level Debian forks then? | Aug 22 17:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | DaemonFC: this is misinformation that you're putting out. what's worse is, maybe you believe it. | Aug 22 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | same with Red Hat | Aug 22 17:41 |
| schestowitz | He plays WIndows games on Linux | Aug 22 17:41 |
| schestowitz | WIne | Aug 22 17:41 |
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| DaemonFC | if the system is so open and collaborative, I guess there's no need for 300 forks | Aug 22 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | so I'll just ignore the big list at Distrowatch alone (which is incomplete) | Aug 22 17:42 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFC: So all free software sucks because there are few forks you think it shouldn't exist? | Aug 22 17:42 |
| schestowitz | "Liarliarlist.com (http://liarliarlist.com), a brand new website that publishes members reviews of people who lie on their online dating profiles, has just appointed Microsoft Corporation alumni Adesh Desai as Chief Technology Officer and Deepak Sodhi as Chief Operating Officer. " | Aug 22 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.tradingmarkets.com/news/stock-alert/msft_liar-liar-list-llc-announces-new-partners-1099729.html | Aug 22 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Liar Liar List LLC Announces New Partners | TradingMarkets.com .::. Size~: 32.31 KB | Aug 22 17:42 |
| schestowitz | They could appoint DaemonFC | Aug 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | a few hundred anyway | Aug 22 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Liar Liar | Aug 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Mint is a fork of Ubuntu that's a fork of Debian | Aug 22 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Xandros is a fork of Debian, Mepis is a fork of Debian | Aug 22 17:42 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has a pool of qualified 'professionals for Liarliarlist.com (http://liarliarlist.com) | Aug 22 17:42 |
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| DaemonFC | Kanotix is a fork of Debian | Aug 22 17:42 |
| gnufreex | <DaemonFC> Kanotix is a fork of Debian | Aug 22 17:43 |
| gnufreex | SHAME ON IT | Aug 22 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | so is Sidux | Aug 22 17:43 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on DaemonFC!*@* | Aug 22 17:43 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked DaemonFC from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 17:43 | |
| gnufreex | Infidel | Aug 22 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Its' old FUD | Aug 22 17:43 |
| gnufreex | Haha | Aug 22 17:43 |
| schestowitz | The "choice" as "bad" | Aug 22 17:43 |
| ThistleWeb | queue the other Daemon nick | Aug 22 17:43 |
| gnufreex | He got kick in the but. | Aug 22 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Walking through the FUD lane | Aug 22 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Parking at every stop | Aug 22 17:44 |
| schestowitz | And old, old debates spring | Aug 22 17:45 |
| ThistleWeb | so the question now has to be asked, what is a ban? | Aug 22 17:45 |
| schestowitz | furnace left | Aug 22 17:45 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: time limited, I think | Aug 22 17:45 |
| schestowitz | He's in troll mode | Aug 22 17:45 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, I expected as much | Aug 22 17:45 |
| gnufreex | Choice is bad, it is framentation. You should have only one choice. | Aug 22 17:46 |
| gnufreex | All same crap | Aug 22 17:46 |
| gnufreex | Over and over again | Aug 22 17:46 |
| ThistleWeb | so it'll be business as usual soon enough, as if nothing happened | Aug 22 17:46 |
| ThistleWeb | that's what I call a detterent | Aug 22 17:46 |
| schestowitz | We talked about an important topic before he interrupted | Aug 22 17:46 |
| ThistleWeb | how many times was he kicked today alone before the ban? | Aug 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: in cars too | Aug 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | He completely interrupted | Aug 22 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Off topic | Aug 22 17:47 |
| ThistleWeb | I seem to remember a similar thing yesterday too when you weren't here | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | <gnufreex> SuSE was good before Novell did its job | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | [17:26] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: I know the type. | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | [17:26] <DaemonFC> I guess it's no worse than any other Linux distro | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | [17:26] <DaemonFC> don't pay attention to bug report | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | [17:26] <schestowitz> Asay wrote for IDG as a guest of Dave Rosenberg | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | [17:26] <schestowitz> Before that he was obscure on blogspot | Aug 22 17:48 |
| ThistleWeb | still, he'll be back tomorrow right? | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | [17:26] <DaemonFC> or use them as a soapbox insult you for reporting the damned thing | Aug 22 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Probably | Aug 22 17:48 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I guessed as much | Aug 22 17:49 |
| ThistleWeb | it's time I reconsidered my decision to autojoin here | Aug 22 17:49 |
| schestowitz | He lost track of the discussion and Furnace* left | Aug 22 17:49 |
| gnufreex | Seriously, Mac Assay worked at Novell unitll 2005 or so. | Aug 22 17:49 |
| gnufreex | SuSE was good then | Aug 22 17:49 |
| gnufreex | Maybe best distro. | Aug 22 17:49 |
| gnufreex | I was using it then. | Aug 22 17:49 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: he tried to troll | Aug 22 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes he does contribute | Aug 22 17:50 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: I did too | Aug 22 17:50 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, after KNOWING he was on his last waring, it makes no difference | Aug 22 17:50 |
| ThistleWeb | he knows he won't get any meaningful punishment | Aug 22 17:51 |
| schestowitz | He was kicked yesterday | Aug 22 17:51 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: last year he was banned for a week | Aug 22 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | by confirming he'll be back, you've justst told us so | Aug 22 17:51 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Did you banned DaemonFC forever? | Aug 22 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | it's meaningless | Aug 22 17:51 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 22 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | every time he comes back, he has learned nothing | Aug 22 17:52 |
| schestowitz | We can't just ban people we don't agree with... then we'd just be like Groklaw | Aug 22 17:52 |
| gnufreex | He makes a good laugh sometimes. | Aug 22 17:52 |
| ThistleWeb | lol, you're an intelligent bloke, you seriously think it's a case of "not agreeing with him?" If so, I overestimated you | Aug 22 17:53 |
| gnufreex | Well, you can't agree with trolling. Trolling is designed to meet oposition. | Aug 22 17:53 |
| ThistleWeb | seriously, if THAT is how you read it, I do wonder about your judgement | Aug 22 17:54 |
| ThistleWeb | how many times does this happen before you decide to actually do something meaningful? | Aug 22 17:55 |
| schestowitz | This is the new feed: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-really-is-becoming-microsoft/38162 | Aug 22 17:55 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Apple really is becoming Microsoft... | ZDNet .::. Size~: 125.66 KB | Aug 22 17:55 |
| schestowitz | ZDNET... wow! WHat 'reporting'... | Aug 22 17:56 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: he doesn't troll _all_ the time | Aug 22 17:56 |
| schestowitz | The Ubuntu rants are a recent annoying thing | Aug 22 17:56 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, I'm sure he has his moments where he doesn't | Aug 22 17:56 |
| schestowitz | He tries Ubuntu just to knock it | Aug 22 17:56 |
| gnufreex | Well, I can't say I totally disagree with all Ubuntu rants. | Aug 22 17:57 |
| ThistleWeb | I criticise govts and corps when they refuse to learn from history, and just repeat it | Aug 22 17:57 |
| ThistleWeb | what part of this does not fit the same description? | Aug 22 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | but anyway, I've now repeated my points that I made the last time, and got the same response, so I will learn from history | Aug 22 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | good luck with the site | Aug 22 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | bye | Aug 22 17:58 |
| *ThistleWeb (~gordon@unaffiliated/thistleweb) has left #boycottnovell ("Ex-Chat") | Aug 22 17:59 | |
| schestowitz | See what the troll does | Aug 22 18:04 |
| schestowitz | ? | Aug 22 18:04 |
| gnufreex | scares people away? | Aug 22 18:04 |
| gnufreex | I forgot what we were talking | Aug 22 18:05 |
| gnufreex | Before troll atack, that is. | Aug 22 18:05 |
| *schestowitz removes ban on DaemonFC!*@* | Aug 22 18:05 | |
| *schestowitz removes ban on *!*@gateway/*/88.247.* | Aug 22 18:05 | |
| *schestowitz removes ban on *!*@88.247.* | Aug 22 18:05 | |
| *schestowitz removes ban on *!*@2002:bca5:c3ab::bca5:* | Aug 22 18:05 | |
| *schestowitz removes ban on *!*@188.165.* | Aug 22 18:05 | |
| *schestowitz removes ban on *!*58f7*@* | Aug 22 18:05 | |
| gnufreex | What did you do ? | Aug 22 18:05 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure what those bans are | Aug 22 18:07 |
| gnufreex | maybe permanent? | Aug 22 18:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.dailytech.com/ATT+Exec+Voices+Support+For+VerizonGoogle+Net+Neutrality+Framework/article19326.htm | Aug 22 18:09 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] Just removed #boycottnovell from my IRC autojoin, I do learn from history, I don't willfully repeat it | Aug 22 18:11 | |
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| schestowitz | Florian de Icaza: http://techrights.org/2010/08/21/florian-blames-ibm-for-death/#comment-98777 | Aug 22 18:13 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Florian 'Floyd' is really something. Smears FSF, OIN, SFLC, LF, IBM... but now he aligns with Miguel http://ur1.ca/17gqy | Aug 22 18:16 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Campaigner for Hire Blames IBM for Air Crash | Techrights .::. Size~: 131.23 KB | Aug 22 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know this talking point: http://www.financialpost.com/news/business-insider/amusing+difference+between+Evil+Empire+Google+Microsoft/3404478/story.html | Aug 22 18:16 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb sorry to hear it, pulled from both directions | Aug 22 18:17 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/203388/google_cozies_up_to_likecom.html | Aug 22 18:17 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] DW: Dancing in the sheets. http://reddragdiva.dreamwidth.org/541774.html | Aug 22 18:19 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: reddragdiva | Dancing in the sheets. .::. Size~: 15.03 KB | Aug 22 18:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS223352295220100821 | Aug 22 18:20 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @dkeats: Teach someone to fish & you feed her for life. Control access to the fish & you maintain economic power over her for a life. | Aug 22 18:24 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @dkeats: Public libraries, public access computing, FOSS and CI: There are alternatives to private philanthropy http://bit.ly/b2tVaC | Aug 22 18:25 | |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[slashdot] Sweden Defends Wiki Sex Case About-Face http://bit.ly/9Dvmoa | Aug 22 18:27 | |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @rcweir: Legislative Open Document Format (LODF) http://is.gd/ewPn3 !odf | Aug 22 18:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2013535020100820 | Aug 22 18:33 |
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| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] Nokia shares boosted by takeover reports http://ur1.ca/17gvc http://ur1.ca/17gvd Founded Tampere, Finland (1865) | Aug 22 18:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | Apparently the Kubuntu Forums mods are now silently editing user posts without attributing the edits to themselves | Aug 22 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3112713.msg234992#msg234992 | Aug 22 18:34 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @osamak: Listening to EbenMoglen's talk at #debconf. Very interesting one. Tag with #EbenEffect :) ur1.ca/17a7v !gnu !fsf | Aug 22 18:35 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @diablod3: USB 3.0 works great under !Linux http://ur1.ca/17cyl | Aug 22 18:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | and deploying sockpuppets who agree with everything the mod says | Aug 22 18:35 |
| *DaemonFC wonders if that qualifies as being mentally ill | Aug 22 18:36 | |
| gnufreex | You are back!! | Aug 22 18:36 |
| *schestowitz has kicked DaemonFC from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 18:36 | |
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| *schestowitz sets ban on DaemonFC!*@* | Aug 22 18:36 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked DaemonFC from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 18:36 | |
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| BaronFC | yeah, you get kicked if you're not a lackey | Aug 22 18:37 |
| BaronFC | sucky sucky | Aug 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | You have to stop trolling | Aug 22 18:37 |
| schestowitz | You get on people's nerves | Aug 22 18:38 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @openbytes: Windows spec requirements out of control? & quest for a refund http://tinyurl.com/2f9nwmv !linux !foss !windows7 !microsoft | Aug 22 18:40 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @nsisodiya Oracle [aka obstacle] is porting JMF to gstreamer API for OpenOffice. Good. Let him complete. just fork open-office after that | Aug 22 18:40 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @webmink: "Oracle’s decision to fork is actually a relief to those of us whose businesses depend on OpenSolaris": http://icio.us/4f1mfr | Aug 22 18:40 | |
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| BaronFC | oh, btw, I set my IRC client to drop all CTCP requests | Aug 22 18:40 |
| BaronFC | to make up for abuses by various members of this room | Aug 22 18:40 |
| BaronFC | :) | Aug 22 18:40 |
| BaronFC | nice try though | Aug 22 18:40 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.forbes.com/taylorbuley/2010/08/16/dell-buys-money-losing-3par-to-fluff-cloud-portfolio/?boxes=financechannelforbes | Aug 22 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | BaronFC: shut up already | Aug 22 18:41 |
| *schestowitz removes ban on DaemonFC!*@* | Aug 22 18:41 | |
| schestowitz | I could easily block you, you're just wasting everyone's time | Aug 22 18:41 |
| BaronFC | cubezzz was deliberately sending malformed DCC requests to try to cause code execution (vulnerability in old versions of XChat) | Aug 22 18:42 |
| BaronFC | if he would like to try again, I'm actually using Trillian | Aug 22 18:42 |
| BaronFC | until then I would politely ask that he stop spamming my global console, thank you | Aug 22 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.streetauthority.com/news/george-soros-favorite-retail-stock-456463 | Aug 22 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | Soros is a GOD... all bow to Georg | Aug 22 18:43 |
| schestowitz | sigh | Aug 22 18:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[einfeldt] RT @pleia2: Some photos from the @linuxpicnic yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/sets/72157624782020058/ | Aug 22 18:44 | |
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| BaronFC | Best Buy's biggest problem is they actually have functional OS X demo Macs | Aug 22 18:44 |
| BaronFC | they were complaining that Mac sales are down, everyone knows that they sell largely due to word of mouth by cultists | Aug 22 18:45 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] RT @einfeldt RT @pleia2: Some photos from the @linuxpicnic yesterday: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pleia2/sets/72157624782020058/ | Aug 22 18:45 | |
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| gnufreex | BaronFC is DaemonFC. | Aug 22 18:45 |
| gnufreex | ? | Aug 22 18:45 |
| BaronFC | yes he is | Aug 22 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://venturebeat.com/2010/08/19/hp-acknowledges-rival-tablet-sales-weakened-laptop-revenues-confirms-hp-tablet-coming/ | Aug 22 18:46 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: HP says rival tablet sales weakened laptop revenues; confirms HP tablet coming | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 48.98 KB | Aug 22 18:46 |
| schestowitz | A real troll, nymshifts to ban-evade | Aug 22 18:46 |
| BaronFC | heh | Aug 22 18:47 |
| BaronFC | that's why there's two versions of cubezz and at least three Goblins | Aug 22 18:47 |
| BaronFC | HP's sales are down because they make crap | Aug 22 18:48 |
| BaronFC | they cut corners off of corners | Aug 22 18:49 |
| BaronFC | nothing like a 250 Watt no-name PSU and no PCI-E or AGP ports | Aug 22 18:52 |
| BaronFC | they also tend to use custom motherboards with only two RAM sockets even though the actual board they based it off of had like 4 | Aug 22 18:52 |
| BaronFC | and don't even complain about not finding replacement parts for an HP Slimline | Aug 22 18:53 |
| BaronFC | another dirty trick they use to limit your upgrade options is to limit the installed RAM via a custom BIOS | Aug 22 18:53 |
| BaronFC | even when there is in fact no such limit on the motherboard | Aug 22 18:54 |
| BaronFC | low end Dells also like dirty tricks like this | Aug 22 18:54 |
| BaronFC | Think of it as PC hardware: Starter Edition | Aug 22 18:55 |
| BaronFC | throw entire unit in the trash, buy new unit | Aug 22 18:56 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @schestowitz favouring sentiment over commom sense has ruined many a worthy cause | Aug 22 18:56 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] @thistleweb he keeps nymshifing now to get back in | Aug 22 18:57 | |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[wikileaks] "The charges are made and then withdrawn and the damage is done." http://bit.ly/bQ44cO | Aug 22 19:03 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: WikiLeaks supporters blame spy agencies for sex claims - World - NZ Herald News .::. Size~: 63.7 KB | Aug 22 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Heh. "MVP is a title Microsoft bestows on their Most Valuable Pawns." | Aug 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Pawns | Aug 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | BaronFC too is a Microsoft Pawn | Aug 22 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Still proud of it. | Aug 22 19:05 |
| BaronFC | "I don't think that Schestowitz has a problem with companies who do business with unsavory outfits so much as some anonymous backer is paying him to run anti-Novell hit pieces. Otherwise he would have said something about Jono or Ubuntu doing everything Novell is "guilty of" and then some." | Aug 22 19:06 |
| BaronFC | -Me | Aug 22 19:06 |
| BaronFC | http://digitizor.com/2010/08/22/valve-puts-an-end-to-the-steam-on-linux-rumors/ | Aug 22 19:13 |
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| gnufreex | This florian dude is complete retard. I don't know why anybody is listening to him | Aug 22 19:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] Full points to http://xfm.co.uk - if you're on Linux it detects it and suggests MPlayer! | Aug 22 19:25 | |
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| schestowitz | http://rfpconnect.com/news/2010/8/13/microsoft-lost-6-billion-in-eight-years | Aug 22 19:31 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Lost $6 Billion in Eight Years | Aug 13, 2010 | RFPConnect .::. Size~: 74.54 KB | Aug 22 19:31 |
| schestowitz | [19:14] <gnufreex> This florian dude is complete retard. I don't know why anybody is listening to him | Aug 22 19:31 |
| schestowitz | They don't | Aug 22 19:31 |
| schestowitz | He's bombarding them | Aug 22 19:31 |
| schestowitz | He did this to me too and I republished for a while | Aug 22 19:31 |
| schestowitz | He's snuggling up and tries to 'inject' content | Aug 22 19:32 |
| schestowitz | He did this before for Monty (CodePlex Foundation) and for Real Madrid | Aug 22 19:32 |
| schestowitz | He confirmed to me he was paid to do this | Aug 22 19:32 |
| schestowitz | That's right, PAID | Aug 22 19:32 |
| schestowitz | In fact, let me stress this in identica | Aug 22 19:32 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] For those who do not know, Real Madrid and Monty (CodePlex Foundation) paid Florian Muller to lobby ('campaign'). He confirmed this to me. | Aug 22 19:34 | |
| gnufreex | What Monty have to do with codeplex foundation? | Aug 22 19:35 |
| gnufreex | Are we talking about Monty MySQL Widenius? schestowitz | Aug 22 19:36 |
| gnufreex | CodePlex is Microsoft | Aug 22 19:36 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Hrm, cleaning took a really long time. I've got a ton of #Conservancy work to do now. Got some TV on to keep me moving on mundane stuff. | Aug 22 19:40 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] IFC showing #Freaks_and_Geeks. I'm reminded despite how excellent & accurate the show was, it's tough to watch. Reliving horrible memories. | Aug 22 19:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.cultofmac.com/microsofts-arc-touch-mouse-rips-off-the-magic-mouse-to-no-avail/55854 | Aug 22 19:41 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsofts Arc Touch Mouse Rips Off The Magic Mouse To No Avail | Cult of Mac .::. Size~: 33.17 KB | Aug 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yeah | Aug 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Look that up | Aug 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | He also deleted _Goblin's comment | Aug 22 19:41 |
| schestowitz | Cause he criticised Microsoft | Aug 22 19:42 |
| gnufreex | John Brownlee? | Aug 22 19:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/microsofts-lost-eight-years-online-more-than-6-billion-down-the-tubes/37988 | Aug 22 19:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft's lost eight years online: More than $6 billion down the tubes | ZDNet .::. Size~: 129.23 KB | Aug 22 19:42 |
| _Goblin | Back.... | Aug 22 19:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] @schestowitz you made your own bed, I hope its comfy. I hope he's worth it in the yrs to come as techrig … http://identi.ca/notice/47055176 | Aug 22 19:44 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Gordon Sinclair (thistleweb)'s status on Sunday, 22-Aug-10 18:44:14 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 7.97 KB | Aug 22 19:44 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I am not getting what you are saying. Monty deleated _Goblin's comants?John Brownlee? What should I look. Link is Mac zealotry blog? | Aug 22 19:45 |
| BaronFC | http://mobile.pcmag.com/device2/article.php?CALL_URL=http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368106,00.asp | Aug 22 19:45 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Google Adopts $5 Registration Fee for Chrome Developers | News & Opinion | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 21.88 KB | Aug 22 19:45 |
| gnufreex | thistleweb dude is trolling? | Aug 22 19:46 |
| BaronFC | well, part of the FOSS mantra is that people who don't agree with you need to be suppressed | Aug 22 19:48 |
| BaronFC | even if they stay somewhat civil | Aug 22 19:48 |
| gnufreex | BaronFC: And who is that civil guy that is geting suppresed? | Aug 22 19:48 |
| gnufreex | BaronFC: You? | Aug 22 19:48 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yeah, ask _Goblin | Aug 22 19:49 |
| BaronFC | I find it amusing that they scream about respect and codes of conduct while they trespass on private property and harass business owners | Aug 22 19:49 |
| gnufreex | BaronFC: Who is trespassing on private property? | Aug 22 19:50 |
| gnufreex | BaronFC: Are you trolling again? | Aug 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.wirelessground.com/rim-competition-microsoft/ | Aug 22 19:50 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: RIM Also Facing Competition From Microsoft | WirelessGround.com Blog .::. Size~: 28.05 KB | Aug 22 19:50 |
| BaronFC | The FSF had a campaign a while back where you were supposed to walk into an Apple Store and harass some poor employee | Aug 22 19:50 |
| BaronFC | about Apple's company policies | Aug 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | SUpport | Aug 22 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Stop lying, troll | Aug 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Again with the FSF smears | Aug 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | BaronFC: you can lurk here | Aug 22 19:51 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] T-shirt: "These are, in fact, brains." RT @nyecamden http://is.gd/ewXeK @davidgerard thought you'd like that | Aug 22 19:51 | |
| BaronFC | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10000290-16.html | Aug 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Just keep your mouth shut | Aug 22 19:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Natural Bust Enlargement with Total Mind Power | Odd Books .::. Size~: 20.69 KB | Aug 22 19:51 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: FSF launches a denial-of-service attack on Apple's Genius Bars | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 131.92 KB | Aug 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | *sigh* | Aug 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay | Aug 22 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Spinning for Apple | Aug 22 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Mac f*ing surprise | Aug 22 19:52 |
| BaronFC | so why does the FSF encourage people to do illegal things like this? | Aug 22 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Original here: http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apple-challenge | Aug 22 19:53 |
| gnufreex | BaronFC: Who is paying you? | Aug 22 19:53 |
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| schestowitz | BaronFC: stfu | Aug 22 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I'm wasting time undoing your trolling | Aug 22 19:53 |
| schestowitz | And you put people off | Aug 22 19:53 |
| BaronFC | If you ask the GNUtards to leave and they stay, it's misdemeanor trespassing | Aug 22 19:53 |
| BaronFC | call the police | Aug 22 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I've been far too patient with you | Aug 22 19:53 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on BaronFC!*@* | Aug 22 19:53 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked BaronFC from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 19:53 | |
| _Goblin | agreed | Aug 22 19:53 |
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| gnufreex | BaronFC, DeaemonFC, FuCker... whatever your name is... STOP TROLLING. | Aug 22 19:54 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[slashdot] Smart Trash Carts Tell If You Haven't Been Recycling http://bit.ly/9EEalO | Aug 22 19:54 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Slashdot News Story | Smart Trash Carts Tell If You Haven't Been Recycling .::. Size~: 46.15 KB | Aug 22 19:54 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*@ppp-69-215* | Aug 22 19:54 | |
| *schestowitz sets ban on DaemonFC!*@* | Aug 22 19:55 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked DaemonFC from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 19:55 | |
| _Goblin | Roy, maybe now would be a good time for everyone to migrate to the techrights channel and start to close down this one....? | Aug 22 19:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#boycottnovell-[davidgerard] But don't take my word for it! Here's the SCIENCE! http://www.dreambreastsystem.com/thescience.html | Aug 22 19:56 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Dream Breast System - Enhancement .::. Size~: 36.57 KB | Aug 22 19:56 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: would that solve the troll issue? | Aug 22 19:57 |
| gnufreex | I think it wouldn't | Aug 22 19:57 |
| _Goblin | not really, but you know the saying out with the old in with the new.... | Aug 22 19:57 |
| _Goblin | how many people use the boycott novell name as fodder to imply that we only fixate on one thing. | Aug 22 19:57 |
| gnufreex | You would still have to link IRC procidings sometimes, and trolls would bust new chanell. schestowitz | Aug 22 19:57 |
| cubevector | gnutard is really asking for it though | Aug 22 19:58 |
| _Goblin | fair enough, but since the site has changed names....daemons banning and BN's closing down would be the start of a switch to techrights fully? | Aug 22 19:58 |
| _Goblin | just my 10p | Aug 22 19:58 |
| gnufreex | <cubevector> gnutard is really asking for it though | Aug 22 19:59 |
| gnufreex | whos that?? | Aug 22 19:59 |
| cubevector | a term DaemonFC used | Aug 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | daemon shaves more than once a day | Aug 22 19:59 |
| cubevector | not too nice | Aug 22 19:59 |
| gnufreex | DaemonFuCker | Aug 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | OK, let's make sure anyone who's here is also in #techrights | Aug 22 19:59 |
| _Goblin | yep, I am. | Aug 22 19:59 |
| gnufreex | I am already | Aug 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Then I'll shift the BNtwitter and BNi bots over there | Aug 22 19:59 |
| schestowitz | With new names | Aug 22 19:59 |
| cubevector | I'm there too | Aug 22 20:00 |
| _Goblin | you could also set a bot to auto kick anyone who enters the channel with a message to join techrights | Aug 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | ChanServ and TechrightsBot are already in the other twoi channels | Aug 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | #boycottnovell-social too | Aug 22 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I'll change some URLs in the site | Aug 22 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | To point at the right channel | Aug 22 20:00 |
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| cubevector | is there techrights-social? | Aug 22 20:01 |
| _Goblin | does there need to be? | Aug 22 20:01 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on *!*@adsl-99-20* | Aug 22 20:01 | |
| _Goblin | keep all the chatter together....its social... | Aug 22 20:01 |
| _Goblin | imho | Aug 22 20:01 |
| cubevector | yeah | Aug 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | I can make that channel too | Aug 22 20:01 |
| schestowitz | Let me move the bots over | Aug 22 20:01 |
| *schestowitz has kicked BNi from #boycottnovell (BNtwitter) | Aug 22 20:01 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked BNtwitter from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | The dirty way | Aug 22 20:02 |
| _Goblin | I wouldnt bother creating a social channel....I think it works very well all together in one room...if the room becomes too noisy then I'd suggest that would be when a new room was needed....TR is very active and interesting....I don't want to miss out on something on "the other channel" | Aug 22 20:03 |
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| cubevector | can I kick this one? :) | Aug 22 20:03 |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[silner/@silner] #Valve Puts An End To The #Steam On !Linux Rumors http://ow.ly/2t56y | Aug 22 20:03 | |
| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I just noticed that a producer on #ST_DS9 (& some of #ST_TNG) was also a producer on #Freeks_And_Geeks. TV in the 1990s was a small world :) | Aug 22 20:03 | |
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| _Goblin | Right...Im leaving for techrights....I won't rejoin BN channel... | Aug 22 20:04 |
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| -BNi/#boycottnovell-[silner/@silner] Libre Graphics World - News: Beginnings of open source fashion design http://ow.ly/2t57S | Aug 22 20:05 | |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Libre Graphics World - News: Beginnings of open source fashion design .::. Size~: 16.91 KB | Aug 22 20:05 |
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| schestowitz | Odd | Aug 22 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Wrong settings | Aug 22 20:08 |
| *schestowitz has kicked BNi from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 20:08 | |
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| schestowitz | The bot resurrect | Aug 22 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I'll need to find them by process | Aug 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | *bots | Aug 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | OK, got it.. | Aug 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | ps -aux | grep twit | Aug 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See /usr/share/doc/procps-3.2.7/FAQ | Aug 22 20:11 |
| schestowitz | root 8018 0.0 0.9 163260 18984 ? Ss Jul02 0:48 /usr/bin/perl ./twitfolk.pl | Aug 22 20:12 |
| schestowitz | root 8039 0.0 0.8 165136 16416 ? Ss Jul02 0:18 /usr/bin/perl ./twitfolk.pl | Aug 22 20:12 |
| schestowitz | root 18853 0.0 0.0 61156 724 pts/1 S+ 12:11 0:00 grep twit | Aug 22 20:12 |
| *BNi has quit (Quit: Caught SIGINT, bye.) | Aug 22 20:12 | |
| cubevector | perl attack? | Aug 22 20:12 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 22 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Just that the bot is written to reconnect | Aug 22 20:13 |
| schestowitz | All right, the bots are both in the other channel | Aug 22 20:14 |
| *schestowitz sets ban on BaronHK!*@* | Aug 22 20:18 | |
| *schestowitz has kicked BaronHK from #boycottnovell (User term) | Aug 22 20:18 | |
| schestowitz | benJIman: cubezzz Kuifje111 nadege OsamaK Thrae voltronw Wulf - we're all moving to #techrights right now. This channel will be reserved just to Novell matters, we hope. | Aug 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | If you could join #techrights from now on, that would be awesome | Aug 22 20:20 |
| OsamaK | k | Aug 22 20:21 |
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| sebsebseb | Hi | Aug 22 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | Aug 22 22:13 | |
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| schestowitz | HJi sebsebseb | Aug 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | We've moved | Aug 22 22:15 |
| schestowitz | /join #techirghts | Aug 22 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh is actsaully moved now? | Aug 22 22:16 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: Kuifje111 nadege Thrae voltronw and WireWulf are also supposed to /join #techirghts | Aug 22 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you spelt that wrong | Aug 22 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | so I ended up in the wrong channel :D | Aug 22 22:18 |
| schestowitz | oops | Aug 22 22:18 |
| schestowitz | #techrights | Aug 22 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah typeos | Aug 22 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | typo even | Aug 22 22:19 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: this is not more of less reserved to Novell issues | Aug 22 22:50 |
| schestowitz | We shifted channels | Aug 22 22:50 |
| schestowitz | benJIman: Kuifje111 nadege Thrae voltronw and WireWulf are still supposed to come to #techrights | Aug 22 22:51 |
| Kuifje111 | I am there. | Aug 22 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, thanks | Aug 22 22:51 |
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