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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45506011#notice-45860004 "I'm reminded of that scene in `When Harry Met Sally': "But you said she has a good personality!"...."Aug 12 06:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.53 KBAug 12 06:47
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/45884983 "<- why don't they just use pygowave.net?"Aug 12 08:17
TechrightsBot-scTitle: NumberedHumanIndustries (nhi)'s status on Thursday, 12-Aug-10 06:55:42 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9 KBAug 12 08:17
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727626/kde-desktop-integrates-webkitAug 12 08:49
TechrightsBot-scTitle:                     Kde desktop integrates webkit - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 59.31 KBAug 12 08:49
schestowitzDefeatist: http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/35659.htmlAug 12 09:01
TechrightsBot-scTitle: mmcgrath - Death of the year of the linux desktop .::. Size~: 87.2 KBAug 12 09:01
schestowitzhttp://www.montanalinux.org/response-death-of-year-of-linux-desktop.htmlAug 12 09:02
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Death of the Desktop Take II | MontanaLinux.org .::. Size~: 20 KBAug 12 09:02
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrX__ILDd3w&feature=digestAug 12 09:27
TechrightsBot-scTitle: YouTube- Yahweh's Amazing Miracle .::. Size~: 115.53 KBAug 12 09:27
schestowitzThis guy is funny yoo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z63U_eqii-o&feature=digestAug 12 09:33
TechrightsBot-scTitle: YouTube- God has a chat with Pat Condell .::. Size~: 100.09 KBAug 12 09:33
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schestowitzThis one says Wikipedia is doing badly: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/09/take-this-blog-and-shove-it.htmlAug 12 11:23
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Crowd Sourcing Loses Steam - Newsweek .::. Size~: 43.25 KBAug 12 11:23
schestowitzFrom NewsWeekAug 12 11:23
schestowitzBig Media hates WikipediaAug 12 11:23
schestowitzhttp://www.teletruth.org//History/history.htmlAug 12 11:35
schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/vD3UV/Aug 12 11:44
TechrightsBot-scTitle: TinyOgg - Watch: Lady Gaga's Poker Face read by Christopher Walken - Friday Night with Jonathan Ross - BBC One .::. Size~: 5.36 KBAug 12 11:44
schestowitz*LOL* quacks... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCLAA3JV66g&feature=digestAug 12 11:51
TechrightsBot-scTitle: YouTube- Facebook Faith Healers: Jobs in the New Economy .::. Size~: 119.22 KBAug 12 11:51
tessierChristopher Walken is hilariousAug 12 12:01
tessierDid you see Balls of Fury?Aug 12 12:01
schestowitzI haven't, no...Aug 12 12:03
tessierIt was funnyAug 12 12:05
MinceRwell, not only the gnome do packages are broken in debian stableAug 12 12:19
MinceRtried to install java6 on vm, now it's brokenAug 12 12:20
schestowitz"invest in Freedom" http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-SC-4-5-final-arrives-1053469.htmlAug 12 12:21
TechrightsBot-scTitle: KDE SC 4.5 final arrives - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 35.27 KBAug 12 12:21
schestowitzThe new KDE motto?Aug 12 12:21
tessierhttp://www.paulgraham.com/yahoo.htmlAug 12 12:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: What Happened to Yahoo  .::. Size~: 18.35 KBAug 12 12:24
tessierAnother excellent essay by Paul Graham.Aug 12 12:24
MinceRmaybe i'll install fedora on ext4 and cp -a it to a real fsAug 12 12:24
MinceRwhy can't anyone develop an OS that doesn't suck?Aug 12 12:24
schestowitzFor desktops?Aug 12 12:26
MinceRyesAug 12 12:26
MinceRor in generalAug 12 12:26
schestowitzRTOS is easierAug 12 12:27
schestowitzLess LOCsAug 12 12:27
schestowitzAnd less functionAug 12 12:27
schestowitzWindows = GUI+basic useless appsAug 12 12:27
schestowitzGNU/Linux comes with far more lines of code, I reckonAug 12 12:27
oiaohmDepends on the RTOS schestowitzAug 12 12:27
oiaohmdoes it include a Linux application emulator or not.Aug 12 12:28
schestowitzMac OS X is artwork with BSD stuffAug 12 12:28
schestowitzoiaohm: those small embedded chips that run a washing machineAug 12 12:28
MinceRshitty "artwork"Aug 12 12:28
oiaohmOk freertos classAug 12 12:28
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/kde-45-released-1723-new-features-16022-bug-fixes/9276Aug 12 12:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle: KDE 4.5 released - 1,723 new features, 16,022 bug fixes | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 127.83 KBAug 12 12:28
schestowitzEven a Microsoft booster covers itAug 12 12:28
schestowitzKDE is smart enough to make SCAug 12 12:29
oiaohmNotice the number of new featuresAug 12 12:29
schestowitzAnd to target devicesAug 12 12:29
oiaohmHow many did MS add in Windows 7Aug 12 12:29
schestowitzWindows might be pushed aside to 'desktops'Aug 12 12:29
schestowitzWhich fewer people will useAug 12 12:30
schestowitzMany devices now run AndroidAug 12 12:30
schestowitzAndroid competes with KDEAug 12 12:30
oiaohmI think 6 months KDE development added more than 7 did.Aug 12 12:30
schestowitzBut it's not appreciatedAug 12 12:30
schestowitzNot by the pressAug 12 12:30
schestowitzIt's too busy with "PC and Mac"Aug 12 12:30
oiaohmLinux is trying to create the one ring of OS's.Aug 12 12:30
oiaohmIe 1 OS to rule them all.Aug 12 12:30
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/kde-45-released-1723-new-features-16022-bug-fixes/9276Aug 12 12:31
TechrightsBot-scTitle: KDE 4.5 released - 1,723 new features, 16,022 bug fixes | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 127.66 KBAug 12 12:31
oiaohmhttp://www.freertos.org/  << seen this before schestowitzAug 12 12:31
TechrightsBot-scTitle: FreeRTOS-A Free RTOS for ARM7, ARM9, Cortex-M3, MSP430, MicroBlaze, AVR, x86, PIC32, PIC24, dsPIC, H8S, HCS12 and 8051 .::. Size~: 6.74 KBAug 12 12:31
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxinsider.com/story/AWN-Ekes-Out-a-Win-in-the-Battle-of-the-Dock-Apps-70591.htmlAug 12 12:32
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Welcome to LinuxInsider .::. Size~: 2.92 KBAug 12 12:32
schestowitzI no longer use stupid docksAug 12 12:32
schestowitzMac OS X wannabesAug 12 12:32
schestowitzWith their pink (purpose) wallpaper and purse at the bottom...Aug 12 12:32
schestowitzDockdockdockdockdockdockAug 12 12:33
schestowitzI don't want to waste screen space on a  trash canAug 12 12:33
schestowitzSo I stopped using awnAug 12 12:33
schestowitzKwin has better effects than OS XAug 12 12:33
schestowitzI saw some demos and pasted here yesterdayAug 12 12:33
oiaohmI do like the look of KDE 4.5 tasked based desktop widget configs.Aug 12 12:33
schestowitzMac OS X and Vista{}* cannot catch upAug 12 12:33
oiaohmAnd are looking forward to trying it.Aug 12 12:34
schestowitzoiaohm: what's that?Aug 12 12:34
schestowitzI never got the hand oif activitiesAug 12 12:34
schestowitzI just use virtual desktopsAug 12 12:34
schestowitzActivities intimidate me, seems complex and desktop zoom drives me nutsAug 12 12:34
schestowitzThe new widget manager for plasma is really niceAug 12 12:35
oiaohmActivities have changed design completely 4.5Aug 12 12:35
oiaohmdesktop zoom bit is gone.Aug 12 12:35
oiaohmIts now you group them into tasks and change between them depending on what you are doing.Aug 12 12:36
oiaohmNow what I want to check is if it turns the widgets off or just hides them.Aug 12 12:36
oiaohmHopefully it turns them off when they are not displayed.Aug 12 12:36
schestowitzI'm seeing new options nowAug 12 12:36
schestowitzDidn't explore 4.4 muchAug 12 12:36
schestowitzWIndows decors also got nicerAug 12 12:36
oiaohmThere was not many new options in 4.4Aug 12 12:37
schestowitzI still can't make a wallpaper stretch across screensAug 12 12:37
schestowitzEach is treated like separate part of plasma sessionAug 12 12:37
oiaohmYep that area is still buggy.Aug 12 12:37
oiaohmHopefully 4.6 has multi screen sorted out.Aug 12 12:37
schestowitzoiaohm: Firefox took activities-like approachAug 12 12:37
schestowitzThey call it Tab Candy IIRCAug 12 12:37
oiaohmReverseAug 12 12:38
oiaohmKDE had activities firstAug 12 12:38
oiaohmBut 4.5 they saw tab candy and went hey that sane.Aug 12 12:38
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1727465/adobe-mac-os-x-h264-gpu-decodingAug 12 12:38
TechrightsBot-scTitle:                     Adobe gives mac os x h.264 gpu decoding - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 67.17 KBAug 12 12:38
oiaohmLets change.Aug 12 12:38
schestowitzAdobe is screwing Linux, stillAug 12 12:38
schestowitzoiaohm: no Vista 8 vapourware in over a monthAug 12 12:39
schestowitzWeirdAug 12 12:39
schestowitzThey have recesses between vapour-showsAug 12 12:39
schestowitzMaybe weeks before the next fake 'leak'Aug 12 12:39
schestowitzMicrosoft leaks=coredumpAug 12 12:40
schestowitzhttp://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Money/5604762-147/here_comes_nokias_n900__.cspAug 12 12:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Here comes Nokia's N900                                                                                                 .::. Size~: 62.91 KBAug 12 12:40
schestowitzWhy does Nokia still promote MaemoAug 12 12:40
oiaohmMS is still having problems controlling the OEMs to get them off XPAug 12 12:40
schestowitz?Aug 12 12:40
schestowitzBusinessesAug 12 12:40
schestowitzThey wipe Vista 7 offAug 12 12:40
oiaohmN900 can run Meego as well.  schestowitzAug 12 12:40
schestowitzAnd they prefer the OEMs to do it, i bet...Aug 12 12:40
schestowitzXP alive till 2014 now...Aug 12 12:40
schestowitzHeheAug 12 12:41
schestowitzNot 2007Aug 12 12:41
schestowitzMicrosoft is being pushed by the only cash cow that has the rest cling 0nto itAug 12 12:41
oiaohmYep every time XP is dead it gets a extra life.Aug 12 12:41
schestowitzoiaohm: can it?Aug 12 12:41
schestowitzI thought Nokia said no ~2 months agoAug 12 12:41
schestowitzExcept the hackAug 12 12:41
schestowitzSome unofficial portAug 12 12:41
oiaohmthere is unofficialAug 12 12:41
oiaohmN900 allows you to load anything infact.Aug 12 12:42
schestowitzoiaohm: yeah, XP is like the Mickey Mouse copyright extensionAug 12 12:42
schestowitzAlways extending once the end if approachedAug 12 12:42
oiaohmSome people insanely loaded almost a pure standard debian into a N900Aug 12 12:42
schestowitzYehaAug 12 12:42
schestowitzyeahAug 12 12:42
oiaohmMeego is not really fully production ready yet.Aug 12 12:43
oiaohmI can understand Nokia holding back for now.Aug 12 12:43
schestowitz1.0 thoughAug 12 12:47
schestowitznot betaAug 12 12:47
oiaohmI would still call it betaAug 12 12:47
oiaohmIt don't have a stocked app store yet.  schestowitzAug 12 12:47
schestowitzThey need some basic appsAug 12 12:49
schestowitzhttp://www.macnn.com/articles/10/08/10/html5.seen.as.future.of.most.apps/Aug 12 12:49
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Linux director blasts App Store model as "unsustainable" | MacNN .::. Size~: 124.27 KBAug 12 12:49
schestowitz'Linux Foundation executive director Jim Zemlin has criticized Apple's business model for the App Store, which he views as unsustainable as the mobile industry continues to evolve. Despite Apple's dominance with over 200,000 titles, Zemlin suggests the "top ten pages are the only ones that matter," according to an interview with Wired.'Aug 12 12:49
oiaohmThe common warehouse already exists schestowitzAug 12 12:52
oiaohmits called the opensuse build system.  schestowitzAug 12 12:52
oiaohmYes its the one thing that might save NovellAug 12 12:52
oiaohmThe author is thinking the Linux director is talking theory.  He is not.Aug 12 12:53
schestowitzOBS is not adopted by manyAug 12 12:53
schestowitzAnd it's not for mobiles, AFAIKAug 12 12:53
oiaohmLook again.Aug 12 12:54
oiaohmOBS is in meego by the way schestowitzAug 12 12:54
oiaohmAnd can spit out native android apps.Aug 12 12:55
oiaohmThe warehouse system already applies to meego and android.  Only thing missing is the central billing and uploading.Aug 12 12:56
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/wikinews030/statuses/20966748320 "this. is. not. officially. verified. theres no conf of this. australia: dementi. germany: holidays. big ben land: unknown"Aug 12 16:08
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / wikinews030: @schestowitz this. is. not ... .::. Size~: 11.82 KBAug 12 16:08
schestowitzRyan is trollingAug 12 17:29
schestowitzI'm wasting time giving him openings to spout our liesAug 12 17:29
schestowitz*outAug 12 17:29
MinceRarghAug 12 18:13
MinceRfucking stupid synaptic didn't let debconf or something display a license agreementAug 12 18:13
MinceRthat's why it brokeAug 12 18:14
MinceRcan someone come up with a "only use these frontends to not fuck up your apt/dpkg system" list?Aug 12 18:14
schestowitz:-)Aug 12 18:40
schestowitzI never use synapticAug 12 18:40
schestowitzIn ubuntu 4.10 it was called something elseAug 12 18:41
schestowitzI installed openssh with itAug 12 18:41
schestowitz-servrAug 12 18:41
schestowitzand it was quite primitiveAug 12 18:41
schestowitzJust package names, no user-friendly namesAug 12 18:41
schestowitzBut it works, then it shows you a terminal window Debian-style where it gets installedAug 12 18:41
schestowitzThose were the days... 2004 UbuntuAug 12 18:41
schestowitzNow I get use -apt-getAug 12 18:41
schestowitzAlthogh...Aug 12 18:42
schestowitzKubuntu's package manager is quite niceAug 12 18:42
schestowitzSo I use apt-get less over timeAug 12 18:42
schestowitzI found all sorts of ways of making Qt look wickedAug 12 18:42
schestowitzMotorMouthFC...Aug 12 18:43
MinceRKPackageKit is retarded in its feature setAug 12 18:45
MinceRprobably the entire PackageKit isAug 12 18:45
schestowitzWell, either way... compare that to WindowsAug 12 18:45
schestowitzI don't need to waste time with firefox, browser, d/ling, installing, rebooting, etcAug 12 18:45
MinceRwell yeah, but i'm way over the 'it only needs to be better than winblowsAug 12 18:46
MinceR' phaseAug 12 18:46
schestowitzApple?Aug 12 18:46
MinceRthat's the one thing that isn'tAug 12 18:47
schestowitzIt keeps the doctor away but makes your pecker shrink or fall offAug 12 18:47
MinceRcrApple is so limited it kind of makes the point of having a general purpose computer mootAug 12 18:47
MinceRplus their hw quality sucks tooAug 12 18:47
schestowitzIt's the sameAug 12 18:47
schestowitzComponentsAug 12 18:47
MinceRand you're pretty much locked into itAug 12 18:47
schestowitzApple is a marketing house\Aug 12 18:47
MinceRno, it's about the same as dellAug 12 18:48
MinceRwhich is the bottom of the barrelAug 12 18:48
schestowitzPutting an arrogant face on FoxconnAug 12 18:48
schestowitzMinceR: the bottom of the barrel is British PetroleumAug 12 18:48
schestowitzEven the barrel of the bottom :-)Aug 12 18:49
schestowitzhttp://www.techdrivein.com/2010/08/20-useful-ubuntugnome-keyboard.htmlAug 12 18:52
TechrightsBot-scTitle: 20 Useful Ubuntu/Gnome Keyboard Shortcuts | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 37.98 KBAug 12 18:52
schestowitz[18:16] <MinceR> the more realistic outcome is that we'll kill everything on earth before we can come up with somethingAug 12 18:55
schestowitz[18:16] <MinceR> because of people like youAug 12 18:55
schestowitzTrueAug 12 18:55
schestowitzBiosynthesis a possibilityAug 12 18:56
schestowitzModifying DNA to survive other planet's conditionsAug 12 18:56
schestowitzMaybe even to elongate lifetimeAug 12 18:56
MinceRi didn't mention that though :>Aug 12 18:56
schestowitzBut making it replicable on other planetsAug 12 18:56
schestowitzMinceR: I'm still reading, let me see...Aug 12 18:56
schestowitzI run away from ryan's crapfl00dsAug 12 18:57
schestowitz[18:19] <MinceR> and that we'Aug 12 18:57
schestowitz[18:19] <MinceR> and that we'll alter the DNA of organisms to make them differentAug 12 18:57
schestowitzOh, I seeAug 12 18:57
schestowitzWe thought of the same solutionAug 12 18:57
schestowitzWe need to study ryan's DNAAug 12 18:57
schestowitzThen, *delete* thatAug 12 18:58
schestowitz*delete* thatAug 12 18:58
schestowitz*delete* thatAug 12 18:58
MinceRlolAug 12 18:58
schestowitzsomething funny going on in Vista..........Aug 12 18:58
MinceRlolAug 12 18:58
schestowitzRyan made me feel all cozyAug 12 18:59
schestowitzWe should burn MOAR fuelAug 12 18:59
schestowitzTo prepare for the coming ice ageAug 12 18:59
schestowitzIn fact, I'm going back to freon spraysAug 12 18:59
schestowitzGerbil brain ryanAug 12 19:19
schestowitzHe's provoking on purposeAug 12 19:19
schestowitzagentsmith: "Is it safe to return to TR chat ? I mean, that gentleman scared me away from there."Aug 12 19:22
MinceRwhy not invite him here and to #techrights?Aug 12 19:30
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schestowitzyeah......Aug 12 19:55
schestowitzwb, scientesAug 12 19:55
schestowitzMinceR: #boycottnovell-social and http://TechRights.orgAug 12 19:56
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/45606409#notice-45948715 "@schestowitz Nice, I was scared away from tr chat, You know. I'll be back shortly ;-)"Aug 12 20:03
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.11 KBAug 12 20:03
schestowitzscared?!?!Aug 12 20:04
schestowitzBy whom?Aug 12 20:04
schestowitzWeird...Aug 12 20:04
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schestowitz:-( http://www.google.com/search?q=site:linsux.org+schestowitz&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8&hl=Aug 12 23:05
TechrightsBot-scTitle: site:linsux.org schestowitz - Google Search .::. Size~: 38.94 KBAug 12 23:05
schestowitzMinceR_:Aug 12 23:51
schestowitz[23:49] <jweyrich> heyAug 12 23:51
schestowitz[23:49] <jweyrich> the guy talks more than everyone together.Aug 12 23:51
schestowitz[23:50] <jweyrich> I regret I started that discussion LOL.Aug 12 23:51
schestowitz[23:50] <schestowitz> He's a cr3pfl00derAug 12 23:51
schestowitz*LOL*Aug 12 23:51
schestowitzdaemonAug 12 23:51

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