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| oiaohm | schestowitz: I have been thinking maybe we should cover orcale vs google a completely different way. | Aug 14 07:32 |
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| oiaohm | When MS went after Android they went after the device makers single ie one at time. | Aug 14 07:33 |
| oiaohm | When SCO attacked Linux they did the same thing. | Aug 14 07:33 |
| oiaohm | What Orcale has done is gone after project lead so cases is really all or nothing not a money extraction method. | Aug 14 07:34 |
| oiaohm | If open source is going to get patented attacked the way Orcale has done it is the way I would prefer it. | Aug 14 07:34 |
| oiaohm | At least when its over we can stop looking over shoulder. | Aug 14 07:34 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: read my idea about orcale mess above ? | Aug 14 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 14 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Been busy cleaning the house though | Aug 14 09:26 |
| schestowitz | ANd I'm going to the gym in a moment | Aug 14 09:26 |
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| TechrightsBot-sc | Hello World! | Aug 14 12:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20013565-264.html | Aug 14 13:08 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Customer accuses Dell of concealing legal evidence | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 85.84 KB | Aug 14 13:08 |
| schestowitz | "People claim that Macbook's high prices are because of an Apple Tax, and it's hardware is often compared to Dell. But this story, along with all the complaints about Dell, is why it's true that you get what you pay for, I am getting a cheap PC to load Education Ubuntu for my kids, but I never considered Dell. I'd rather find a used HP." | Aug 14 13:08 |
| schestowitz | Interesting how Microsoft partners turns to Linux and OOo: http://www.newspostonline.com/business/red-hat-wipro-form-strategic-partnership-to-deliver-open-source-solutions-across-india-2010081385599 | Aug 14 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | "The ignorance in that article regarding legal issues is astounding :-)" http://identi.ca/conversation/45799527#notice-46149051 | Aug 14 16:05 |
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| schestowitz | Distortion of one's views: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyhTX8D6ngA | Aug 14 16:31 |
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| schestowitz | Good book | Aug 14 16:31 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 14 16:40 |
| MinceR | why is that webapps can be installed in the way the docs say in only a tiny tiny fraction of cases? | Aug 14 16:41 |
| MinceR | i've wasted hours installing GetBoo and SemanticScuttle, only to learn that they're nonfunctional | Aug 14 16:41 |
| schestowitz | I never heard of those | Aug 14 16:42 |
| MinceR | they're social bookmarking apps | Aug 14 16:42 |
| MinceR | i'd like to have one | Aug 14 16:42 |
| MinceR | but noooooooo | Aug 14 16:42 |
| schestowitz | I use Scuttle | Aug 14 16:42 |
| schestowitz | But it's being spammed | Aug 14 16:42 |
| schestowitz | So I passowrd-protected it | Aug 14 16:42 |
| MinceR | it would be a private instance so it won't be spammed | Aug 14 16:42 |
| MinceR | currently the webserver port isn't even forwarded through the router | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Private? | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Why not give it to Google? :-) | Aug 14 16:43 |
| MinceR | i'm planning to use it through SSH redirection | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Well, with pagerank and all they already have it | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | There are console-based ones | Aug 14 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I learned about them yesterday | Aug 14 16:43 |
| MinceR | with php4, getboo gave random php error messages; with php5, it doesn't realize it could use mysql so the database type list is empty | Aug 14 16:44 |
| MinceR | yayt | Aug 14 16:44 |
| MinceR | s/.$// | Aug 14 16:44 |
| MinceR | their official site has been saying "the database is temporarily down" for months already | Aug 14 16:44 |
| MinceR | semanticscuttle ended up giving me the Big Blank Page | Aug 14 16:44 |
| MinceR | i'll try plain old scuttle | Aug 14 16:45 |
| MinceR | they say it's dead, but perhaps it will at least be functional | Aug 14 16:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's what I use | Aug 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: if it's private, then you need no security patches | Aug 14 17:13 |
| MinceR | true, but new features and bugfixes would be nice | Aug 14 17:13 |
| schestowitz | like what features? | Aug 14 17:15 |
| schestowitz | scuttle gave me nothing I can't get with bookmarks | Aug 14 17:16 |
| schestowitz | At the time I traveled to conferences and stuff so I wanted web based w/o del.icio.us | Aug 14 17:16 |
| MinceR | not sure | Aug 14 17:16 |
| schestowitz | Now I share links with identica | Aug 14 17:16 |
| schestowitz | And some people subscribe t it, which is cool | Aug 14 17:16 |
| MinceR | tag hierarchy, perhaps | Aug 14 17:16 |
| MinceR | (semanticscuttle did that, iirc) | Aug 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | You can tag in bookmarks | Aug 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | And with identica too | Aug 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | And then align with tags | Aug 14 17:17 |
| MinceR | but tags form a flat namespace | Aug 14 17:17 |
| schestowitz | chronological | Aug 14 17:17 |
| MinceR | scuttle gives me the Big Blank Page all the same | Aug 14 17:19 |
| MinceR | are error messages a religious taboo or what? | Aug 14 17:19 |
| MinceR | of course they forget to mention what php version they want | Aug 14 17:20 |
| MinceR | fuck it, do i have to write a bookmarking webapp myself? | Aug 14 17:20 |
| MinceR | well, scuttle seems to have .debs, but i can't install them on my server, so it will have to wait | Aug 14 17:42 |
| schestowitz | You can read errors in the logs | Aug 14 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Better than publicizing them to the whole world (www) | Aug 14 17:55 |
| MinceR | didn't find any | Aug 14 17:55 |
| MinceR | and giving errors to the web browser in install-time isn't really a security risk | Aug 14 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe an embarrassment | Aug 14 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Like "account suspended" | Aug 14 18:04 |
| schestowitz | We had that done with BN when we ran over quota | Aug 14 18:04 |
| schestowitz | > As you can see, I accept a whole lot of what you do. I disagree a lot, I | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > sometimes contradict, but I don't expect you to change. | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > What I do, however, expect is a minimum degree of rationality in how we | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > deal with each other. The LiMux bashing/slamming allegation is wrong and | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > I think it would speak very positively for your character if you could | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > agree that neither my blog nor my e-book bash or slam LiMux, and that on | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > the contrary they applaud Munich's mayor for his courage and the e-book | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > in particular also talks very positively about the migration per se | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > (while on the blog I focused exclusively on the software patent aspect). | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > If you want TechRights to take a negative perspective on me and my | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > activities, that's one thing. If you want to consider me a Microsoft | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > apologist or whatever, up to a certain reasonable point that's within | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > the freedom of speech. | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > But the LiMux thing is something I really take very personally, among | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > other reasons because I live in the Munich area and I really never | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > disparaged it in the countless conversations I had with people here. | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > The problem I have with this kind of thing is that I may at some point | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > have to conclude that I just ignore you. I could if I wanted because I | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > don't get any noteworthy amount of traffic from you anyway, so you have | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > limited reach and very little overlap with my own audience (which is | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > also not quite huge, but again, doesn't overlap with yours). I want to | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > have civilized controversy. The LiMux allegation is not civilized. | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | > We should at least agree on a minimum degree of truthfulness here. | Aug 14 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Now bashing OIN again: | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for reconsidering the LiMux thing. Very honorable approach. | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > On another subject, I had raised concerns over the OIN's scope and it's | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > interesting to see on identi.ca that Bradley Kuhn now also has those | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > concerns and wants OIN to answer. You once wrote that you think OIN's | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > scope is not an issue (after I raised it). I'm no longer alone with | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > that, and I didn't just criticize the OIN: I actually made four | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > alternative, constructive suggestions for how to fix the problem toward | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > the end of this posting: | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/06/oins-linux-system-only-constant-is.html | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > So here are some dents from Brad Kuhn. This is what I meant in the | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > discussion with credibility not being a matter of whom one criticizes | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > but of being right on key issues, even if it takes time to be proven | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > right (in this case not much time to at least find credible people to | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > agree). | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > http://identi.ca/bkuhn | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > @rahulsundaram <http://identi.ca/user/47968>,Agreed,but #OIN | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > <http://identi.ca/tag/oin> claims to be defenders against patent trolls | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > that hurt FLOSS. What'll it do when its members are the trolls? | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > @rahulsundaram <http://identi.ca/user/47968>, indeed & that really shows | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > a serious limitation,doesn't it? #OIN <http://identi.ca/tag/oin> should | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > seek #swpats <http://identi.ca/tag/swpats> safety for all !FaiF | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > <http://identi.ca/group/185/id> sw, not just some. | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > Oracle's move is a huge test for OIN. They need a coherent response when | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > one licensee attacks another over a Linux distro. #java | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > <http://identi.ca/tag/java> | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:31 |
| schestowitz | > I agree w/ @webmink <http://identi.ca/user/15525>. I await #Bergelt | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > <http://identi.ca/tag/bergelt>'s statement on how his company solves | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > #Oracle <http://identi.ca/tag/oracle> #swpats | Aug 14 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | > <http://identi.ca/tag/swpats> problem. That's what #OIN | Aug 14 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | > <http://identi.ca/tag/oin> promised for !Linux | Aug 14 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | > <http://identi.ca/group/56/id>. | Aug 14 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > [webmink = Simon Phipps, Keith Bergelt = CEO of OIN) | Aug 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > Plus he retweeted this opinion someone sent him: | Aug 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 14 19:32 |
| schestowitz | > @bkuhn <http://identi.ca/user/7> OIN's claim is broad reaching. However | Aug 14 19:32 |
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| schestowitz | > in reality its scope is limited | Aug 14 19:32 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: since daemonfc went back to his old winblows trolling self, perhaps it's time for a ban again | Aug 14 20:42 |
| MinceR | permanent this time | Aug 14 20:42 |
| schestowitz | That would not work | Aug 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | And I don't want to ban | Aug 14 20:44 |
| schestowitz | he got a warning | Aug 14 20:44 |
| MinceR | time for another | Aug 14 20:44 |
| MinceR | and it worked with mutex, did it not? | Aug 14 20:45 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.hydrasystemsllc.com/2010/08/13/the-final-verdict-is-in-opensolaris-is-no-more/ | Aug 14 21:10 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: mutex was very abusive towards people | Aug 14 21:11 |
| MinceR | and daemonfc isn't? | Aug 14 21:11 |
| schestowitz | ryan is just a sick attention seeker | Aug 14 21:11 |
| MinceR | in other words, a troll | Aug 14 21:11 |
| schestowitz | And he loves Windows | Aug 14 21:11 |
| MinceR | do we want any of those? | Aug 14 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Pretends to like Linux | Aug 14 21:11 |
| schestowitz | Fo credibility | Aug 14 21:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X8aifay678 | Aug 14 21:11 |
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| schestowitz | See beginning | Aug 14 21:11 |
| schestowitz | [20:49] <DaemonFC> The Linux hardware cavity search | Aug 14 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Derogatory language | Aug 14 21:14 |
| MinceR | does the channel need that kind of noise? | Aug 14 21:15 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 14 21:19 |
| schestowitz | OK, he's off the lInux bashing now | Aug 14 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Heh. "May God be less" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bTt094d0Ts | Aug 14 21:42 |
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| schestowitz | YouTube went rogue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQR6Xyd-dZo | Aug 14 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | Banning people for giving stats about pr0n | Aug 14 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Cause some sensitive losers flagged it | Aug 14 21:47 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: please kickban neighborlee | Aug 14 21:51 |
| MinceR | neighborlee has made the jump from creationist to creationist m$ fanboy | Aug 14 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Let me see... | Aug 14 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Just posted daily links | Aug 14 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <MinceR> then fuck off | Aug 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | No, you're being rude | Aug 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Don't do that] | Aug 14 21:59 |
| schestowitz | Just ignore people whom you don't agree with | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | and he isn't? | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | maybe i'll just part the channel | Aug 14 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Don't know, I'm still reading | Aug 14 22:00 |
| schestowitz | But Lee is OK | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | it's becoming a m$ fanboy meeting place | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | no, he isn't | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | he never was | Aug 14 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Let me read on | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | first it was creationist bullshit | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | now it's more | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | i suspect he only does it to troll | Aug 14 22:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm still in the early parts | Aug 14 22:00 |
| MinceR | and he only ever did it to troll | Aug 14 22:00 |
| *schestowitz reads on | Aug 14 22:00 | |
| schestowitz | You advertise #linsux ? :-) | Aug 14 22:02 |
| schestowitz | I think it's -chat by the wau | Aug 14 22:02 |
| schestowitz | But never mind, that site/chat is dead | Aug 14 22:02 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 14 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Linux bashing has no 'market' anymore | Aug 14 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Linux is too mature and solid | Aug 14 22:02 |
| schestowitz | [21:54] [Notice] -BNi to #boycottnovell- [ender2070/@ender2070] I have MCP and MCTS right now (from MS 70-620 exam). I'll have MCITP on Aug 18th when I finish the Microsoft 70-622 exam. | Aug 14 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww............ | Aug 14 22:03 |
| MinceR | if it has no market, why are they doing it here? | Aug 14 22:03 |
| schestowitz | He's becoming /more/ like the trolls who had him lose his job in the first place | Aug 14 22:03 |
| schestowitz | ender I mean... | Aug 14 22:03 |
| schestowitz | This is wrong on so many levels | Aug 14 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Is there really a #microsoft channel? | Aug 14 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Some channels have many attendants but no activity | Aug 14 22:04 |
| schestowitz | They are like 'parked domains' | Aug 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | People use channellist as badges | Aug 14 22:05 |
| MinceR | m$ gave up on irc long ago | Aug 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | USENET too | Aug 14 22:05 |
| MinceR | they had IRCX and comic chat | Aug 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | So have I, to an extent | Aug 14 22:05 |
| MinceR | and they both died | Aug 14 22:05 |
| MinceR | why can't the fanboys follow? | Aug 14 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I might come back to USENET, not decided yet | Aug 14 22:05 |
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