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| schestowitz | > You said something like "Don't worry about visits, just keep writing." | Aug 28 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | > | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > My satisfaction in posting to the web log lies in the number of viewers. | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > Why would anybody bother with having a web log if only a few people looked | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > at it? | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > As an analogy, I compare myself to a chef in a large restaurant who feels | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > validated by the number of diners that come in for a meal. | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > I too feel validated, and that I am not wasting my time in what I serve, by | Aug 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | > the number of viewers who read my drivel. | Aug 28 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1768970&cid=33398136 | Aug 28 00:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Slashdot Comments | Paul Allen Files Patent Suit Against Apple, Google, Yahoo, Others .::. Size~: 39.94 KB | Aug 28 00:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this comment in particular | Aug 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 00:14 |
| schestowitz | PS - this is not urgent, but I thought you would be interested. I tried to | Aug 28 00:14 |
| schestowitz | put it in a comment on the last SpanAir story, where you recommend NASA dump | Aug 28 00:14 |
| schestowitz | the toy OS, but comments were disabled there. | Aug 28 00:14 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 28 00:14 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I'm almost done with a post about it | Aug 28 00:14 |
| schestowitz | +background | Aug 28 00:14 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/47345236#notice-47722147 | Aug 28 00:24 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz Every time I see a story like this I see patents as the evil. MS and Oracle will use any tools. Those tools shouldn't exist." | Aug 28 00:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Aug 28 00:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.fredoneverything.net/Wikileaks.shtml schestowitz | Aug 28 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Fred On Everything .::. Size~: 18.51 KB | Aug 28 01:07 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: | Aug 28 06:59 |
| schestowitz | "The new documentary "Psywar," featuring CMD founder John Stauber, explores corporate and government use of propaganda and public relations to manipulate American people. The movie explores how the U.S. government staged events to manipulate public opinion about the Iraq war, like the rescue of Private Jessica Lynch, the supposedly spontaneous mob that pulled over the larger-than-life statue of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. " | Aug 28 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Nadia? | Aug 28 06:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/node/9393 | Aug 28 06:59 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Psywar Film Reveals The Hidden Battle for Your Mind | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 25.55 KB | Aug 28 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Remember old US propaganda posters about Nazis | Aug 28 06:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Aug 28 06:59 |
| schestowitz | Like the GOdzilla holding a statue of libery-like woman | Aug 28 07:00 |
| *schestowitz looks for it | Aug 28 07:00 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you and me are same generation. | Aug 28 07:00 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda | Aug 28 07:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | hell no, i don't need to read that page. | Aug 28 07:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Propaganda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 259.93 KB | Aug 28 07:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | i understand propaganda the way i understand electricity... | Aug 28 07:00 |
| schestowitz | I can't see to find it there now | Aug 28 07:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | kafka/orwell/solzhenitsyn | Aug 28 07:01 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: don't read the page | Aug 28 07:01 |
| schestowitz | See the posters | Aug 28 07:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i worked in advertising half my career. :) | Aug 28 07:01 |
| schestowitz | I used these images in Techrights | Aug 28 07:01 |
| schestowitz | LIke 4 times... | Aug 28 07:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the latin word for advertising is : propaganda | Aug 28 07:02 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: eww | Aug 28 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Psyche | Aug 28 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Bernays called it "PR" | Aug 28 07:02 |
| schestowitz | For short | Aug 28 07:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Aug 28 07:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the uglier word is, marketing. | Aug 28 07:02 |
| schestowitz | You know, with Goebbels and all | Aug 28 07:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: uglier still is the phrase, "marketing war." | Aug 28 07:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | marketing murder. | Aug 28 07:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | potential book title on the past decade. | Aug 28 07:03 |
| *FurnaceBoy shudders | Aug 28 07:03 | |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you read "Fred on Wikileaks" ? | Aug 28 07:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i got anotehr link. | Aug 28 07:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.uga.edu/news/artman/publish/100816_Sea_Grant.shtml | Aug 28 07:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: University of Georgia: News & Information .::. Size~: 30.04 KB | Aug 28 07:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: from @marketmentat | Aug 28 07:04 |
| schestowitz | "make a killing" | Aug 28 07:04 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I added fred todfaily links | Aug 28 07:04 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I added fred to daily links | Aug 28 07:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://bit.ly/cwPccB | Aug 28 07:04 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: excellent. | Aug 28 07:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: read ^^ | Aug 28 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Didn't Bernays start with some war propaganda? He was older by then,I think | Aug 28 07:05 |
| schestowitz | He 'monetised' his uncle's work | Aug 28 07:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't know the name | Aug 28 07:07 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays | Aug 28 07:07 |
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| schestowitz | Freud's nephew iirc | Aug 28 07:07 |
| schestowitz | I have some videos from you | Aug 28 07:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, right, Freud. who marked the beginning of the 20th C | Aug 28 07:08 |
| schestowitz | Exracted from a good video from the BBC | Aug 28 07:09 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUouIxuzjVQ | Aug 28 07:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | the century that brought us war profiteering par excellence | Aug 28 07:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH563q8fzYk | Aug 28 07:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube- Edward Bernays Assassin of Democracy(Read Description) .::. Size~: 94.53 KB | Aug 28 07:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, I see, Murdoch's great inspiration? | Aug 28 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Watch it first | Aug 28 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 28 07:09 |
| schestowitz | Only PR clown can ever defend this monster | Aug 28 07:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | William Randolph hearst | Aug 28 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Just like only imperialist war mongeres would defend Bush, Kissinger, ilk | Aug 28 07:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you ever read McLuhan "The Mechanical Bride" ? | Aug 28 07:11 |
| schestowitz | I put Hicks on marketing (video/skit) in Techrights yesterday | Aug 28 07:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | "OURS is the first age in which many thousands of the best-trained individual minds have made it a full-time business to get inside the collective public mind. To get inside in order to manipulate, exploit, control is the object now. And to generate heat not light is the intention. To keep everybody in the helpless state engendered by prolonged mental rutting is the effect of many ads | Aug 28 07:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | and much entertainment alike." | Aug 28 07:11 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I don't read books | Aug 28 07:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: some books are worth reading | Aug 28 07:12 |
| schestowitz | I reckon so | Aug 28 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | "to generate heat not light" <-- function of FOX, Palin, Murdoch | Aug 28 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | "To keep everybody in the helpless state" | Aug 28 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | McLuhan foresaw the 21C | Aug 28 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | by studying the first 20 | Aug 28 07:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | he was an undisputed genius | Aug 28 07:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | "We see also the paradox of a very big press posing as a brave little man facing giants and ogres. Every day this press would warn or save us from big interests plotting the overthrow of the common man. And when giants are scarce, they must be invented. That is one of the functions of a Westbrook Pegler: Find them and kill them. | Aug 28 07:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | By posing as a Jack-the-Giant-Killer, this sort of press can give the ordinary reader an heroic image of himself as capable of similar feats, while it tacitly assumes Barnum's view of the public as sucker. As the noisy champion of the ordinary man, this kind of newspaper invites reader participation in its triumphs. It appeals to the Jeff ersonian enmity toward federal centralization and | Aug 28 07:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | corporations while being itself a vast bureaucratic corporation. | Aug 28 07:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | ^^^ See, he anticipates FOX. | Aug 28 07:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | This is FOX's narrative. A mega-rich, corporation, saying, "look out, the shits are killing you." | Aug 28 07:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | "And it also requires a prolonged stirring of passions by means of the press and allied agencies to launch and to maintain a world war. If there were no such means of communication either in Russia or in the West at the present moment, it would be quite impossible even to dream of a war between them. An amplifying system hitched to one's own heartbeat can, the Russians have found, break | Aug 28 07:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | down the strongest morale. And the press used as a means of thrill and excitement produces a general emotional situation which leads to a crescendo, and crescendo calls for a catharsis -a blood-bath. The actual outbreak of the Second World War was a visible relief to many after the Nears of tense waiting." | Aug 28 07:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | " But the effect of the Ballet Luce is political, for all that. A mindless, helpless, entranced audience emerges from the scene of this potent entertainment. " | Aug 28 07:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | you know who Luce was. | Aug 28 07:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Mr "TIME". Plus ca change. | Aug 28 07:15 |
| schestowitz | who edits time? | Aug 28 07:16 |
| schestowitz | or rather, which conglomerate is it connected to? CNN....? | Aug 28 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Or was that Money/Fortune | Aug 28 07:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | McLuhan is more subversive and political in this book than I remembered. | Aug 28 07:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | "The reader is to be habitually soused with sex and violence but at all times protected from the harsh contact of the critical intellect." <-- Our friend in Indiana. | Aug 28 07:17 |
| schestowitz | From #techrights | Aug 28 07:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.economist.com/node/16892040?story_id=16892040 | Aug 28 07:18 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Israeli entrepreneurs: MBAs are for wusses | The Economist .::. Size~: 47.84 KB | Aug 28 07:18 |
| schestowitz | WTF? | Aug 28 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Military propaganda/ | Aug 28 07:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow, this is an extremely subversive book. Awesome. | Aug 28 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Heh. http://www.blogicalthoughts.com/images/signs/1263_signs.jpg | Aug 28 07:20 |
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| FurnaceBoy | "So Hollywood is like the ad agencies in constantly striving to enter and control the unconscious minds of a vast public, not in order to understand or to present these minds, as the serious novelist does, but in order to exploit them for profit. The novelist tries to get inside his characters in order to tell you what is happening on the invisible stage of their minds. The ad agencies | Aug 28 07:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | and Hollywood, in their different ways, are always trying to get inside the public mind in order to impose their collective dreams on that inner stage. And in the pursuit of this goal both Hollywood and the advertising agencies themselves give major exhibitions of unconscious behavior. One dream opens into another until reality and fantasy are made interchangeable. " | Aug 28 07:21 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: Remember the movie dick tracy. It almost did not get off the grounds because maker wanted to be truthful and have no brands displayed | Aug 28 07:24 |
| oiaohm | So a can of beans only had beans written on it and so on. | Aug 28 07:24 |
| oiaohm | And his watch had no brand on it. | Aug 28 07:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: product placement, well, screw that. | Aug 28 07:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's all part of it | Aug 28 07:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's a part where the cracks show, it's the final proof that what is going on here is marketing and not art. | Aug 28 07:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they rely on the public's cultural childishness, which is guaranteed in north america but cannot be assumed elsewhere | Aug 28 07:26 |
| oiaohm | Then look at lot of westen cartoon the items that can be sold end up with more air time than the story. | Aug 28 07:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | quite so. | Aug 28 07:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | again: it is the proof that this is commerce and not anything remotely connected to cultural life | Aug 28 07:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but the most crucial product is the one that has no obvious brand. Hollywood exists to promote Brand USA, the biggest lie of all. | Aug 28 07:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Homo's devil machine. I have a copy of Turing's essay right here. | Aug 28 07:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've read it. | Aug 28 07:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that pseudo-Christian moron has not. | Aug 28 07:30 |
| oiaohm | And its both ways. | Aug 28 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Hollywood productions get free product to use as long as it has air time. | Aug 28 07:30 |
| oiaohm | And is not done to give the product bad light. | Aug 28 07:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure. that's business. that's a deal. | Aug 28 07:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | it gets more blatant year by year. | Aug 28 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Time is CNN then.. http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2013061,00.html | Aug 28 07:31 |
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| FurnaceBoy | assuming that you choose to CONSUME h'wood | Aug 28 07:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: another tentacle. | Aug 28 07:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: of the consensus factory | Aug 28 07:31 |
| oiaohm | I always wonders how much gear you could get making a complely joke movie. | Aug 28 07:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Jackass? :) | Aug 28 07:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you could get sponsors for Jackass, no problem. | Aug 28 07:31 |
| oiaohm | I mean like waiting for otto | Aug 28 07:32 |
| oiaohm | A movie where truly nothing happens. | Aug 28 07:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Aug 28 07:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: John Cage | Aug 28 07:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Art is subversion, if you're doing it properly. | Aug 28 07:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Warhol | Aug 28 07:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: sponsors will run a mile | Aug 28 07:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: when they hang up on you, you know you're doing something right. | Aug 28 07:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones. | Aug 28 07:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | John Cage | Aug 28 07:33 |
| oiaohm | Really it would be funny making a movie about getting free product to use in movie about getting free product. | Aug 28 07:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you're in Fight Club territory, maybe. IKEA advertisement | Aug 28 07:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: appearing to be anti-system | Aug 28 07:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Faux-cialist | Aug 28 07:35 |
| oiaohm | I am just warped sometimes I like seeing what I can get away from. | Aug 28 07:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Waiting for Godot is a good starting point. I don't think Beckett ever lent his endorsement to a can of beans. | Aug 28 07:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | We are all born mad. Some remain so. | Aug 28 07:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Samuel Beckett | Aug 28 07:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Poets are the sense, philosophers the intelligence of humanity. | Aug 28 07:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | Samuel Beckett | Aug 28 07:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | nite | Aug 28 07:38 |
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| schestowitz | TIME: http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599201315000 | Aug 28 07:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcihLv1bL6Q | Aug 28 08:58 |
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| schestowitz | Heh | Aug 28 08:58 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what might cause the alt+shift+ctrl keys to go mad? | Aug 28 14:48 |
| schestowitz | The past few days... something they randomly get 'turned on' | Aug 28 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I then hit many of them in some weird fashion to have Ubuntu come to its senses | Aug 28 14:49 |
| schestowitz | It's really annoying, it doesn't quite go away | Aug 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | You have tried a different keyboard ? schestowitz | Aug 28 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | Aug 28 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Can it be a keyboard issue? | Aug 28 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I can recall something similar happening before in Mandriva, just very rarely | Aug 28 15:12 |
| schestowitz | And not lasting for long, either | Aug 28 15:13 |
| schestowitz | I'll try another keyboard | Aug 28 15:13 |
| schestowitz | OK,I'm trying different one | Aug 28 15:15 |
| oiaohm | I have had those three going mad from chip in keyboard going nuts. schestowitz | Aug 28 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Or ps2 controller on motherboard dieing. | Aug 28 15:23 |
| oiaohm | and that was OS netural. | Aug 28 15:23 |
| schestowitz | It has just happened with another keyboard I tried | Aug 28 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Maybe mobo | Aug 28 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Very annoying | Aug 28 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Caused me so much trouble | Aug 28 15:31 |
| oiaohm | I would recommend trying a livecd some point schestowitz | Aug 28 15:45 |
| oiaohm | That does rule out software damage somewhere. | Aug 28 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 28 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I will do, I guess | Aug 28 15:53 |
| schestowitz | I found some tricks to alleviate the trouble though | Aug 28 15:53 |
| schestowitz | It led me to rebooting 2 days ago, which is rare | Aug 28 15:54 |
| schestowitz | It didn't solve the issue, but I needed to at least check | Aug 28 15:54 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/fcassia/statuses/22354213112 "Sun open sourced StarOffice, creating OO.o, then bought Virtualbox (also GPL). Java as GPL v2, Glassfish, and more" | Aug 28 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | "sadly there was a Unix jihad inside that doomed Sun´s Linux, JDS. It was VERY nice." | Aug 28 17:07 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/fcassia/statuses/22354298645 "oh, I forgot Sun´s funding of Gnome." | Aug 28 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/fcassia/statuses/22354391367 "could we collectively get Oracle back to its senses? Ellison did good things like the $200 Linux based ThinkNic around y2k" | Aug 28 17:07 |
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| schestowitz | I suppose NC was a major one. See how Microsoft crushed it. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/NetPC | Aug 28 17:08 |
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