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| schestowitz | zoobab: I got your messages | Aug 10 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I have a quick question | Aug 10 17:03 |
| schestowitz | I have set up auto-responders today | Aug 10 17:03 |
| schestowitz | And I think it's not immune to mailing lists mailed it | Aug 10 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Did you get auto-responses when mailing to [ffii] | Aug 10 17:04 |
| schestowitz | ? | Aug 10 17:04 |
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| Ziomatrix | hey | Aug 10 17:21 |
| Ziomatrix | so did hear the news that now South Korea is cracking down on Google? | Aug 10 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Really? | Aug 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | They also did Microsoft | Aug 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Twice in 2009 | Aug 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe once in 2008 | Aug 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Intel too | Aug 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Found guilty | Aug 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | SKorea is a well developed and ambitious nation | Aug 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | I reckon China will join Taiwan and also use antitrust | Aug 10 17:22 |
| schestowitz | They don't need Intel and Microsoft running their digital affairs | Aug 10 17:22 |
| Ziomatrix | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6791BR20100810 | Aug 10 17:24 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: it would be interesting if Bejing and Tepei help prop up VIA | Aug 10 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Isn't that southern? | Aug 10 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Like south of .kr and .cn? | Aug 10 17:26 |
| Ziomatrix | another Palm exec and one who stayed with the company over a decade leaves: http://www.precentral.net/peter-skillman-leaves-palm-one-hurts | Aug 10 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies | Aug 10 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Taiwan | Aug 10 17:26 |
| Ziomatrix | and is replaced by someone from Sony Erricson!? http://www.precentral.net/palm-hires-senior-director-product-management | Aug 10 17:26 |
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| schestowitz | Sony Erricson do Android | Aug 10 17:27 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: true, but this is for product design. I guess the whole riverstone design concept is going to be thrown out the window. Sad because I like the smooth compactness of my Pre Plus. | Aug 10 17:27 |
| Ziomatrix | future Palm designs will become HTC and Motorolaesque bricks | Aug 10 17:28 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: PRC also has their own state sponsored fab the Loongson CPU | Aug 10 17:29 |
| schestowitz | PRC? | Aug 10 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Made me think of Palm files | Aug 10 17:32 |
| MinceR | and prestige classes in D&D 3.x :> | Aug 10 17:33 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: lol I mean People's Republic of China. Classic Palm files go by .prc | Aug 10 17:34 |
| Ziomatrix | that is a funny coincidence | Aug 10 17:34 |
| Ziomatrix | MinceR: do you like 4th edition? | Aug 10 17:35 |
| MinceR | no, i don't like D&D Miniatures 4th Edition | Aug 10 17:37 |
| MinceR | bbl | Aug 10 17:38 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I still use old Palm daily | Aug 10 17:48 |
| schestowitz | With jpilot | Aug 10 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/business/energy-environment/10yuan.html?_r=1 | Aug 10 17:55 |
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| schestowitz | How timely | Aug 10 17:55 |
| schestowitz | In Crackdown on Energy Use, China to Shut 2,000 Factories | Aug 10 17:55 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: nice I have been thinking about buying the Palm Emulator from MotionApps, but I don't feel like paying towards Access IP and some of the apps such as NuviRemote won't work anyway with no IR port | Aug 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz | yeah, no reason to feed ACCESS | Aug 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz | You could get old Palms from ebay | Aug 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I have two | Aug 10 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if Pre plays nice with Linux desktops | Aug 10 17:59 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: you can download the nessisary QT Framework and XLib running from a remote server to get OpenOffice suite running: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JsulCV4nEQ | Aug 10 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | /me adds https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6623/ | Aug 10 18:01 |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I heard of that | Aug 10 18:01 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I thought I read about the Pre being able to boot up a Linux desktop after some major rooting but I guess not, yet. | Aug 10 18:13 |
| schestowitz | OpenMoko could do that | Aug 10 18:13 |
| schestowitz | E17 | Aug 10 18:13 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: hopefully QT and XLib get more integrated into the WebOS API in the future though. | Aug 10 18:13 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: OpenMoko is basically a Linux desktop you can boot on certain phones including the Treo 750 | Aug 10 18:14 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: of course you basically reformat the phone to do it, and it only works with GSM | Aug 10 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Is it still around? | Aug 10 18:16 |
| schestowitz | I think some schools in Brazil use it | Aug 10 18:16 |
| schestowitz | To educate phone hac0ers | Aug 10 18:16 |
| amarsh04 | join #openmoko if interested | Aug 10 18:18 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: the company that was behind the venture went under but the distro and a community of devs still lives | Aug 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | FIC? | Aug 10 18:24 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/ma1/status/19660159603 | Aug 10 18:25 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: yea the company behind the Freerunner | Aug 10 18:25 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: shame since I read they were aiming for open hardware specs as well as software | Aug 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | They have CADs | Aug 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | People can still use their work | Aug 10 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Pick up where they left | Aug 10 18:26 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: interesting how their desktop GUI kind of resembles Android: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page | Aug 10 18:27 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: nvm thats because they got an Android port for the Freerunner | Aug 10 18:28 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: it seems you can append Openmoko features to Debian and even Android distros. Here is the original: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/QtMoko I wonder if a WebOS port can be done? | Aug 10 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Android can run n it | Aug 10 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Wait, you beat me to it | Aug 10 18:32 |
| schestowitz | tessier has a freerunner | Aug 10 18:32 |
| Ziomatrix | Here is an interesting comparison from last year with what WebOS offered in 2009 and Openmoko: http://seecsopenmobile.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/development-using-openmoko-framework-vs-palm-pre-webos/ since then QT is being worked into the WebOS framework along with (Adobe Flash?). | Aug 10 18:33 |
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| Ziomatrix | WebOS still lacks GTK compatibility to be able to port and run most Linux apps though | Aug 10 18:34 |
| schestowitz | Pre seems like just Linux at the guts | Aug 10 18:36 |
| Ziomatrix | also WebOS now has Native development with the PDK, but not all are able to use it since Palm is patching up security permissions (being released in patch 1.4.5) before releasing it more openly. | Aug 10 18:37 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: it is Linux when it comes down to the kernel and firmware, but with with a very eloquent API and interface overlay like OSX, but more open to devs. | Aug 10 18:38 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: it would be better though if you ask an actual WebOS developer on the nitty gritty of its internals. I suggest even looking into Precentral as many homebrew developers hang out there, there is even the #webos-internals channel. But I think you need to register to be able to chat there. | Aug 10 18:42 |
| schestowitz | <Ziomatrix> also WebOS now has Native development with the PDK, but not all are able to use it since Palm is patching up security permissions (being released in patch 1.4.5) before releasing it more openly. | Aug 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I think when they didn't meet sales target | Aug 10 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I promote their device so muc | Aug 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | And defended from Apple's patent abus | Aug 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | But it was sold to HP, which I dislike | Aug 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | >>> But I think you need to register to be able to chat there. | Aug 10 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Open... but registration needd | Aug 10 18:50 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Palm claims it is to prevent anyone from executing malicious code since at the time of the release of the PDK there were no permissions worked in to prevent a program from accessing your contacts, account data and any secured cache from browsing. | Aug 10 18:53 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: that should change more so with a wider rollout of patch 1.4.5. But Palm still is like Google where they have this you got your's (homebrew) and I got mine (core developers) philosophy. Except Palm is giving more to the homebrewer and user for the time being. | Aug 10 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Are they still marketing? | Aug 10 18:55 |
| schestowitz | No word since HP snapped them | Aug 10 18:55 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: yes they are, they have done multiple application sales, even as going far as subsidizing developers. Sprint is releasing 1.4.5 sometime tomorrow (its already in most of Europe) and they are negotiate with carriers to sell future devices. | Aug 10 18:57 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: besides that, exec reshuffling and talks about how they'll continue to support WebOS (with no clear info yet) not much else is going on | Aug 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Are they still on with the contest? | Aug 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | $100k or a million for best app? | Aug 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: today I used an Hp scanner | Aug 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | The indurtial sized one | Aug 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | It messed up | Aug 10 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Froze/screwed up | Aug 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Pissed me off greatly | Aug 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Their panel OS is rubbish too | Aug 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | So I thought of WebOS put therre | Aug 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | But HP says little about it | Aug 10 18:59 |
| schestowitz | ANd adding deep colour would make it more expensive too | Aug 10 18:59 |
| tessier | schestowitz: I sold my freerunner | Aug 10 19:00 |
| tessier | It wasn't nearly as useful as I had hoped when I bought it two summers ago. It sat around completely unused for a year and a half. Sold it a few months ago. | Aug 10 19:00 |
| tessier | I was bummed. | Aug 10 19:00 |
| tessier | Bought it for almost $500. Sold it for $150. Carried it on me maybe two days. :( | Aug 10 19:00 |
| tessier | The price of being an early adopter. | Aug 10 19:00 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: it should have ended sometime in July 2010 but they haven't updated the page: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?id=1841 I guess the aquisition has put the results on hold | Aug 10 19:00 |
| Ziomatrix | tessier: how did you find it? | Aug 10 19:01 |
| tessier | Ziomatrix: Useless at the time. | Aug 10 19:01 |
| tessier | Ziomatrix: Maybe it has improved but I understand the whole project has lost steam by now. | Aug 10 19:01 |
| Ziomatrix | tessier: Whats your opinion on Palm not being completely open about releasing the PDK to devs until security permissions are added? From what I understand PDK brings full C/C++ OpenGL ES access to core graphics libraries and hardware framework to WebOS btw. | Aug 10 19:03 |
| Ziomatrix | tessier: you think that puts them in the same league as Google with Android? | Aug 10 19:03 |
| Ziomatrix | tessier: from what I understand its security permissions to prevent PDK apps from accessing the contacts and communication features within WebOS to utilize automatically. In laymans terms to me they it seems they are concerned about their phones turning into zombies in the wrong hands. | Aug 10 19:05 |
| Ziomatrix | tessier: or do you think they are poor excuses much like what Sony gave to remove the OtherOS feature from PS3? | Aug 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | tessier: FSF recommended Freerunner publicly. It helped show free phone can and so exist, with design still as CC licence | Aug 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/jobs/2010/08/09/woman-in-hurd-harassment-case-surprised-by-departure-40089765/ | Aug 10 19:07 |
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| schestowitz | Hurd was never a big Linux fan, either, AFAIK | Aug 10 19:07 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: you should listen to the interview with HP's CTO of "Gaming" (former VoodooPC CEO Rahul Sood: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/WORPodcasts/~3/oRYFKyE1nPE/web_os_radio_10_rahul_sood_and_the_4_kazoos He seems to hint at WebOS integration with printers and other devices along with gaming. | Aug 10 19:10 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: not just any woman, Jodie Fischer. I'm suprised E! hasn't plastered this event yet. | Aug 10 19:10 |
| tessier | Ziomatrix: No idea about Palm. I used to be a huge Palm fan. I gave up on them after they were stagnant for years. | Aug 10 19:11 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: and BS, she wanted the money and publicity | Aug 10 19:11 |
| tessier | schestowitz: A free phone is great but unfortunately it also has to work. Which the Freerunner did not at the time of my purchase. My fault. I should have better understood the state of the project. It was (and probably still is) for hackers only. I don't have time for phone hacking. Too many other projects. And in the meantime need a working phone. | Aug 10 19:11 |
| Ziomatrix | and here comes the Walstreet Journal possible revisin*erm "revisiting" history: http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2010/08/10/jodie-fisher-will-likely-get-300000-thank-you-notes/ | Aug 10 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jodie [Fisher] Will Likely Get 300,000 Thank You Notes - Deal Journal - WSJ .::. Size~: 85.3 KB | Aug 10 19:14 |
| Ziomatrix | even though I can't blame them if indeed he was the cut throat cost cutting CEO this article makes him out to be. I still think the CEO before him, Carly Foirina, was the worst any HP employee and aquisition of theirs' ever faced. | Aug 10 19:16 |
| Ziomatrix | She pretty much poached Compaq and CDW as well as putting HP's enterprise Unix development dead in its tracks | Aug 10 19:17 |
| Ziomatrix | Also presided over laying off 15,000 employees, she intended to include 3,000 managerial layoffs but that nevered occured. "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned." | Aug 10 19:20 |
| Ziomatrix | did I get muted? | Aug 10 19:21 |
| *Ziomatrix /rant | Aug 10 19:22 | |
| schestowitz | http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid80_gci1518106,00.html | Aug 10 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | What's her significance anyway? | Aug 10 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Who's she? | Aug 10 19:27 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: She was the first female American CEO of a major Fortune 500 company | Aug 10 19:27 |
| schestowitz | i c | Aug 10 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Not this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodie_Fisher | Aug 10 19:28 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: no this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Fiorina | Aug 10 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.nbc.com/Age_of_Love/bios/bio_jodie.shtml | Aug 10 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I know | Aug 10 19:29 |
| schestowitz | But I wasn't talking about Florina | Aug 10 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Spy | Aug 10 19:29 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jodie_Fisher | Aug 10 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | "In August 2010, she was identified as the filer of a sexual harassment complaint against Mark Hurd. After an internal investigation he resigned as CEO of Hewlett-Packard for expense-account irregularities.[6]" | Aug 10 19:30 |
| schestowitz | I guess her porfolio will extend now | Aug 10 19:30 |
| schestowitz | She brought down someone and made some buzz | Aug 10 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Seems like some failed actress | Aug 10 19:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0167546/ | Aug 10 19:31 |
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| schestowitz | Few films in 20 years | Aug 10 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Obscure | Aug 10 19:31 |
| schestowitz | And like one in 2 years | Aug 10 19:31 |
| Ziomatrix | lol | Aug 10 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe she seduced him | Aug 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't seem like a pervert | Aug 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | And she -- she's a single mom from Texas or something | Aug 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Past her prime | Aug 10 19:33 |
| schestowitz | I don't know the background to this case | Aug 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Like what her role in HP was... | Aug 10 19:34 |
| schestowitz | http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKSGE6780JI20100809 | Aug 10 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | Novell will need to sell | Aug 10 19:36 |
| schestowitz | It's like SCO now... taking 6 months so fare | Aug 10 19:36 |
| schestowitz | *far | Aug 10 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Novell is hanging on | Aug 10 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I want SUSE to be liberated from Novell | Aug 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Mark is indeed going to buy it | Aug 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Or IBM | Aug 10 19:37 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: she was a greeter for exec events | Aug 10 19:37 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Aug 10 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I love it when so-called 'actors' fall to the bottom of the chain | Aug 10 19:43 |
| MinceR | re | Aug 10 19:43 |
| schestowitz | I often speak to people at the gym about what happens to athletes and MAFIAA slaves after their prime time | Aug 10 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Unless they are at the top, it's not pretty | Aug 10 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Coaches, bar singers, etc. | Aug 10 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Show business is not as glamorous as people are led to believe, esp. if they take the uber-star as examples and discard the rest. I guess Julia didn't accept Hurd with greetings | Aug 10 19:44 |
| MinceR | and then they die :> | Aug 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Or turn to pr0n | Aug 10 19:46 |
| MinceR | pr0n is the path to immortality? :> | Aug 10 19:46 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/45368752#notice-45706281 "Wow, how come she was born in 1960? The word cougar comes to mind. A hot babe, for sure. ;-)" | Aug 10 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: to whom? | Aug 10 19:56 |
| schestowitz | The ex-actress? | Aug 10 19:57 |
| MinceR | to athletes and MAFIAA slaves | Aug 10 19:57 |
| MinceR | apparently | Aug 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | It's true though | Aug 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | They turn low profile (if you ever remember their 15 minutes of fame | Aug 10 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Some file for bankruptcy | Aug 10 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Even Mike Tyson | Aug 10 19:58 |
| schestowitz | The businessmen who exploit them make all the money, taking advantage of stupidity and search for fame alone from the talented ones | Aug 10 19:58 |
| schestowitz | In business it's the VCs that hoard all the money | Aug 10 19:58 |
| schestowitz | So when mysql sold for a billion, Florian told that monty made just some millions | Aug 10 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Can't recall the exact # though | Aug 10 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Now you have some NY-based men claiming to have funded FB at the start | Aug 10 19:59 |
| schestowitz | So he wants his investment backl | Aug 10 19:59 |
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