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oiaohmhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-08-13-031-35-OS-BZ-CY  Good story on the on going orcale mess.Aug 14 01:06
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oiaohmParticularly the warnning.Aug 14 01:06
oiaohmBeware of suits bearing code.Aug 14 01:07
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schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/oracle-sues-google-looking-for-a-piece-of-the-mobile-pie/2362Aug 14 12:48
schestowitzoiaohm: remember Java phone?Aug 14 12:48
schestowitzAround 2007?Aug 14 12:48
schestowitzMaybe 2006.Aug 14 12:48
schestowitzsun never made it happenAug 14 12:48
oiaohmThey did make it happen.Aug 14 12:48
oiaohmLot of cross phone apps appeared in that time using the java mobile vm.Aug 14 12:49
schestowitzoiaohm: but I think they tried selling hardwareAug 14 12:52
schestowitzAlso remember Trolltech and GreenphoneAug 14 12:52
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/google/oracle-sues-google-looking-for-a-piece-of-the-mobile-pie/2362Aug 14 12:53
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schestowitzOops. Pasted that stuff again...Aug 14 12:53
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schestowitz> A few warmap questions:Aug 14 17:46
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schestowitz>Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz> * How strong is the legal infringement case against the high valueAug 14 17:46
schestowitz> target Android?Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz>   [  ] like SCOAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>        [  ] a 'flirt' between Google and Oracle giants for a strategicAug 14 17:46
schestowitz> allianceAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>        [  ] suicidal litigation but Google offers golden settlementAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>        [  ] ruinous litigation for 15 years, Google wins, Oracle wrecksAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>        [  ] Google leaves or alters Android platformAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>        [  ] Oracle would also sue Android usersAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>   [  ] like Microsoft vs. TomTomAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>        [  ] Google gets licenseAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>   [  ] like SisvelAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz> * How would the case be communicated?Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz>   [  ] aggressive media communication, spread of Android FUDAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>   [  ] formal official communication, high public interest and punditryAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>   [  ] formal official communication, just a few bloggers dig into itAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz> * How does the case effect shareholder value ofAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    - OracleAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    - GoogleAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    - SAP? Apple? RedHat?Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    - Who benefits from weakening the Android plattform?Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz>       Potential to weaken Android market acceptance?Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    - What is the value of Java?Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz> - How would Google/SAP etc. respond or adjust their public policy?Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz> - What are the implications for patent instruments?Aug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    [  ] Patent pledges gain attention boost and improvementsAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    [  ] New defensive instruments are proposedAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    [  ] Increased importance of patents, expansion of portfoliosAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>    [  ] Awareness for software patent law reformAug 14 17:46
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:47
schestowitz> - Further scenariosAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>   [  ] Litigation in other jurisdictionsAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>   [  ] Customs IPR enforcement action at trade showsAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>   [  ] Google backs MySQL etc. or countersues against Oracle's cash cowaAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>   [  ] EPO member Iceland sets up its free patent havenAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:47
schestowitz> - What are the implications for other SUN-inherited free software?Aug 14 17:47
schestowitz>    [  ] OpenOffice.orgAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>    [  ] OpenSolarisAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>    [  ] MySQLAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>    [  ] Java OpenSDKAug 14 17:47
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:47
schestowitz> - Does the case strenghten .NET (M. De Icaza)?Aug 14 17:47
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:47
schestowitz> - Does the case strenghten HTML5 (Rob Weir)?Aug 14 17:47
schestowitz>Aug 14 17:47
schestowitz> - What are the general opportunities?Aug 14 17:47
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schestowitzhttp://tinyogg.com/watch/86aYU/Aug 14 21:30
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/chrisreich/statuses/21168642638 "@schestowitz Dr. Schestowitz, I try like crazy to understand your positions, but reading your website is like reading spaghetti-code." "@schestowitz Is there a summary somewhere from which I can begin to follow these debates/rants?"Aug 14 22:10
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schestowitzI think starting from the wiki would be goodAug 14 22:10
MinceRis he describing the news or the wiki?Aug 14 22:11
schestowitzhttp://peerpong.com/q/7ca3b-is-dlink-dap-1160-wireless-router-honestly-freesoftware-friendly-they-claim-so-on-the-box-even-create-your-own-firmware?s=tw "Is dlink dap 1160 wireless router honestly #freesoftware friendly? They claim so on the box, even 'create your own firmware'"Aug 14 22:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle:       Is dlink dap 1160 wireless router honestly #freesoftware friendly? They claim so on the box, even 'create your own firmware'     .::. Size~: 20.48 KBAug 14 22:13
schestowitzDo you know?Aug 14 22:13
MinceRdunnoAug 14 22:13
schestowitzMinceR: I don't know what he was describingAug 14 22:13
schestowitzI don't know what he refers to eitherAug 14 22:13
schestowitzStupid TwitterAug 14 22:13
schestowitzNo contextual linkageAug 14 22:14
schestowitzOh, Rami is on Twitter. http://twitter.com/rtaibahAug 14 22:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Rami Taibah (rtaibah) on Twitter .::. Size~: 52.3 KBAug 14 22:14
schestowitzI missed thtaAug 14 22:14
schestowitzFlorian belittles FFII now...Aug 14 22:21
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2010/08/14/moglen-on-java-and-virnetx/#comment-98103Aug 14 22:21
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schestowitzNot a smart move from himAug 14 22:21
schestowitzGluing himself to a cornerAug 14 22:21
schestowitzNo FSF, no LF, not even FFIIAug 14 22:21
schestowitzHe's aloneAug 14 22:21
MinceRhe probably didn't want to associate with either, anywayAug 14 22:22
schestowitzWell, him and MicrosoftAug 14 22:22
schestowitzSo not alone :-)Aug 14 22:22
schestowitzAnd ZuckAug 14 22:22

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