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| oiaohm_ | I find google idea scary. You release something opensource you have to give up all of you idea for anyone to use anyway they like. | Aug 15 12:53 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 15 12:54 |
| oiaohm_ | It not like android is a good example of a compadible platform. | Aug 15 12:54 |
| schestowitz | Oracle in 1994 is like Gates in 91, re patents | Aug 15 12:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Heck androids libc has bugs no other libc has. | Aug 15 12:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Google went out of there way to make a incompadible platform. | Aug 15 12:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/7148/1/ | Aug 15 12:55 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yeah | Aug 15 12:55 |
| schestowitz | But I don't want to accept Oracle's action | Aug 15 12:55 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if behind the scenes Oracle gave Google warnings | Aug 15 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the lawsuit was a last resort to them | Aug 15 12:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/oracle-sues-google-for-patent-infringement-2010-08-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Aug 15 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle sues Google over intellectual property - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 90.72 KB | Aug 15 12:56 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/08/linux-kernel-report-shows-lots.html | Aug 15 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux kernel report shows continued innovation. 2.6.36 coming soon #LinuxCon - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 108.72 KB | Aug 15 12:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Oracle suggestions to the Linux kernel I can say I know it will work. | Aug 15 12:57 |
| oiaohm_ | Since I have seen wine project do them. schestowitz | Aug 15 12:57 |
| oiaohm_ | Wine went from a program taking 2 step forwards with 3 back to progress with the test suit being intergrated. | Aug 15 12:57 |
| oiaohm_ | Really Oracle action is not the best. Neither has been googles. | Aug 15 12:58 |
| oiaohm_ | Both are guilty of stuff neither I can back to win. Best that can happen in some form of draw to everyone advantage. | Aug 15 12:58 |
| oiaohm_ | Also orcale pulling back on solaris could be the best thing for solaris either it will stand on its own legs open source or it will die. schestowitz | Aug 15 12:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.scribd.com/doc/35811761/Oracle-s-complaint-against-Google-for-Java-patent-infringement | Aug 15 13:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle's complaint against Google for Java patent infringement .::. Size~: 130.4 KB | Aug 15 13:01 |
| oiaohm_ | The complaint is not just patent is copyright as well schestowitz | Aug 15 13:01 |
| oiaohm_ | Everyone keeps on covering just the patent side. | Aug 15 13:01 |
| schestowitz | I know | Aug 15 13:01 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna bring that up | Aug 15 13:01 |
| oiaohm_ | For some reason Oracle thinks Google has nicked some code. | Aug 15 13:01 |
| schestowitz | Seems like patents were there for 'teeth' | Aug 15 13:01 |
| schestowitz | To help Oracle make Google surrender | Aug 15 13:02 |
| schestowitz | And use Oracle Java | Aug 15 13:02 |
| oiaohm_ | One invalid claim in a court case can cause you to lose. | Aug 15 13:02 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Well. It's for patent and copyright infringement. And guess who is representing Oracle? Morrison & Foerster and Boies Schiller. I take it the latter have decided to learn from the masters. But this is really, really sad on so many levels. Also puzzling. Since Sun released Java under the GPL, how can anyone be sued for anything like this? The complaint doesn't make that clear, saying just that Google has no license, so for sure we | Aug 15 13:02 |
| schestowitz | ll be watching this litigation. So we'll have to wait until Google answers the complaint to get a clearer picture.]" | Aug 15 13:02 |
| oiaohm_ | And if orcale loses they cannot bring another case over it. | Aug 15 13:02 |
| oiaohm_ | So orcale should be prity darn sure before claiming copyright infringment or they are insane. | Aug 15 13:03 |
| oiaohm_ | I don't think orcale staff are insane. | Aug 15 13:03 |
| oiaohm_ | That worries me. | Aug 15 13:03 |
| schestowitz | They alienate Linux people | Aug 15 13:04 |
| schestowitz | Those who usually choose Oracle for business | Aug 15 13:04 |
| schestowitz | SCO made the same mistakes | Aug 15 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Attacking their own clients | Aug 15 13:05 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too in 2007 | Aug 15 13:05 |
| schestowitz | All Oracle users/customers are also Java users | Aug 15 13:05 |
| oiaohm_ | I don't think orcale has taken it lightly. | Aug 15 13:05 |
| schestowitz | But it was exaggerated in the press | Aug 15 13:05 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Oracle expected so much backlash | Aug 15 13:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Google wants the backlash | Aug 15 13:06 |
| oiaohm_ | So Orcale will back down. | Aug 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | BTW, did you see how Florian is being exposed? | Aug 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: Microsoft wants backlash too | Aug 15 13:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Also notice something else Google gave a statement before the case. | Aug 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Cause it harms Java's and Oracle's name | Aug 15 13:06 |
| oiaohm_ | Orcale has stayed silent. | Aug 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Apple gains from the Android FUD | Aug 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | Saying "Android will die" and such stuff | Aug 15 13:07 |
| oiaohm_ | In a legal case be really worried that someone has a solid weapon. | Aug 15 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Bad for phone makers of Android and developers for Android | Aug 15 13:07 |
| oiaohm_ | If they have no reason to use media. | Aug 15 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Yes, radio silence | Aug 15 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Not seen any remark from them. 0 | Aug 15 13:07 |
| oiaohm_ | SCO did not do run slient. | Aug 15 13:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Neither does anyone who does not have a solid case. | Aug 15 13:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Notice how often MS also uses media to create presure to win there cases as well. | Aug 15 13:08 |
| schestowitz | http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/ | Aug 15 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: www.betaversion.org .::. Size~: 0.78 KB | Aug 15 13:09 |
| schestowitz | "[PJ: Here's an article from 2007 that a reader here found, and it gives one man's opinion on Google's workaround regarding Java. It is, as I say, just opinion, but I found it helpful to understand the context of the Oracle v. Google situation. When we read Google's answer to the complaint, we'll find out more. So this is context only. They'll present their actual facts in due time. But I do wonder sometimes why companies don't realize | Aug 15 13:09 |
| schestowitz | that the GPL really does provide a lot of protection. More helpful links in Groklaw member hardmath's comment.]" | Aug 15 13:09 |
| oiaohm_ | You must be GPL to use the SUN java test suites. | Aug 15 13:09 |
| oiaohm_ | Or buy licence from SUN. | Aug 15 13:10 |
| schestowitz | Oracle? | Aug 15 13:10 |
| oiaohm_ | That is the way it still writen in the agreement. | Aug 15 13:10 |
| oiaohm_ | So it gets really interesting that. | Aug 15 13:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Google might not be able to buy a licence at all. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/oracle-sues-google-for-patent-infringement-2010-08-12?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Aug 15 13:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle sues Google over intellectual property - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 90.72 KB | Aug 15 13:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Note GPL licence on the JVM being tested. | Aug 15 13:11 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 15 13:12 |
| schestowitz | Oracle asks in its complaint for unspecified damages, and that any software found to be in violation of Oracle's copyrights "be impounded and destroyed." | Aug 15 13:12 |
| schestowitz | [PJ: Ah. The Boies Schiller touch. Be more mean than you need to be. That's how I would describe their style.] | Aug 15 13:12 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 15 13:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Now of google has used any of SUN test suite they could be up the creek. | Aug 15 13:12 |
| oiaohm_ | of/if | Aug 15 13:12 |
| oiaohm_ | There are many paths that google could have screwed up on. | Aug 15 13:12 |
| schestowitz | http://blog.openitstrategies.com/2010/08/last-gasp-of-sun-semi-openness.html | Aug 15 13:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open IT Strategies: Last gasp of Sun's semi-openness .::. Size~: 90.01 KB | Aug 15 13:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Orcale in there court documents asks for no damages anywhere. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:13 |
| schestowitz | I know | Aug 15 13:13 |
| oiaohm_ | They only ask for destruction of offending items. | Aug 15 13:13 |
| schestowitz | They want compliance thoughh | Aug 15 13:13 |
| schestowitz | I think they want Android to be more of Oracle's | Aug 15 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Not desrruction | Aug 15 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has been wanting to make it into phones | Aug 15 13:14 |
| schestowitz | I don't recall where I heard this | Aug 15 13:14 |
| oiaohm_ | Really it does not look like a money grabing move. | Aug 15 13:14 |
| oiaohm_ | You don't call for destruction of offending parts when trying to get money. | Aug 15 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Oracle has a lot of money | Aug 15 13:14 |
| schestowitz | They don't need royalties | Aug 15 13:14 |
| schestowitz | But Android grows fake Java | Aug 15 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Oracle wants to be the power carrier in Android takeover | Aug 15 13:15 |
| schestowitz | 200,000 phones per day | Aug 15 13:15 |
| schestowitz | If Oracle gets paid for Java, do the maths........ | Aug 15 13:15 |
| oiaohm_ | fake java takes developers away from the main line. | Aug 15 13:15 |
| schestowitz | And makes it bigger | Aug 15 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | So even if Oracle does not get paid for java. | Aug 15 13:16 |
| schestowitz | Until Dalvik supersedes the parent | Aug 15 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Lossing the feed from the developers on android is costly to java development. | Aug 15 13:16 |
| schestowitz | devalusing originakl java | Aug 15 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | by Orcale | Aug 15 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Exactly. | Aug 15 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Google has attacked java | Aug 15 13:16 |
| schestowitz | I didn't quite know about this dispute until the lawsuit | Aug 15 13:16 |
| oiaohm_ | And a lot of java users don't want to see that. | Aug 15 13:16 |
| schestowitz | and developers esp. | Aug 15 13:17 |
| schestowitz | like diablo | Aug 15 13:17 |
| schestowitz | He's frantic | Aug 15 13:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Besides if Oracle can win against Dalvik | Aug 15 13:17 |
| oiaohm_ | They have the means to apply the JVM patents to .net core. | Aug 15 13:17 |
| oiaohm_ | So Novell watch out. | Aug 15 13:17 |
| schestowitz | So they should make the test case Microsoft | Aug 15 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Then leave it for Google to comply | Aug 15 13:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Attacking Microsoft directly you have the SUN Microsoft deal in the middle there. | Aug 15 13:18 |
| oiaohm_ | That Orcale has to wait to expire. | Aug 15 13:18 |
| oiaohm_ | But hitting Google there is no such protection. | Aug 15 13:19 |
| oiaohm_ | It also shows googles careless nature making the android platform. | Aug 15 13:19 |
| oiaohm_ | And isolation methods making the android platform. | Aug 15 13:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.virtualizationpractice.com/blog/?p=6807&utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=oracle-sues-google-over-android-and-java-microsoft-smiles-vmware-grimaces | Aug 15 13:19 |
| schestowitz | "Whether or not this claim has an merit or not is for Oracle to prove in court. The question for the virtualization community is does this matter? The answer might be yes. It could be yes because it is pretty easy to think of a parallel case to this that is a pretty important part of VMware’s strategy. That parallel case is the SpringSource Java compatible JVM Spring TC Server. SpringSource states that all Spring project are licensed | Aug 15 13:20 |
| schestowitz | under the terms of the Apache License 2.0. Therefore it would appear that the Spring works are in the clear as long as the Apache open source licenses are in the clear." | Aug 15 13:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle sues Google over Android and Java, Microsoft Smiles, VMware Grimaces | The Virtualization Practice .::. Size~: 114.52 KB | Aug 15 13:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Best way would have been to have SUN or Oracle in at the ground flaw. | Aug 15 13:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: yeah, I wondered if the Sun-MS deal lasts when it gets bought | Aug 15 13:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: same for Android-Linux | Aug 15 13:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Its a 5 year deal. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Linux hackers are not happy | Aug 15 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Google took what it needed | Aug 15 13:20 |
| schestowitz | Didn't do mainline | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Went too far | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Saying 2 engs will remerge | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Still unable to do it | Aug 15 13:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Linux kernel developers are also having disputes with android develoeprs publicly in lkml | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Google doesn't care | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | It has "Android", not "Linux" | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Upstream at Google is not good | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: DiBona messaged me | Aug 15 13:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Google is being pulled kicking and screaming into working upstream. | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | And Red hat | Aug 15 13:21 |
| schestowitz | They try to mediate | Aug 15 13:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Redhat is one of the few companies who can legally make there own version of a JVM. | Aug 15 13:22 |
| oiaohm_ | That don't follow Java specs and still use the patents. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:22 |
| oiaohm_ | Due to argreements with SUN over the patents. | Aug 15 13:23 |
| oiaohm_ | Orcale aquired so everything SUN did still exists. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:23 |
| oiaohm_ | They have a problem Orcale does not have a history of mediation. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:24 |
| oiaohm_ | Instead normally once Orcale has started a court case the only thing that ends it is the court case. | Aug 15 13:24 |
| oiaohm_ | SUN would try to talk and avoid court cases. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Orcale does not like showing weakness. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:26 |
| schestowitz | http://wyang0.blogspot.com/2010/08/future-of-opensolaris.html | Aug 15 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: William Yang: The Future of OpenSolaris .::. Size~: 59.03 KB | Aug 15 13:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm_: that's what Oracle is like | Aug 15 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Seen as "power" | Aug 15 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Not "soft" or "gentle" (Google) | Aug 15 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft tried to change its image too, but its CEO ruins that | Aug 15 13:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Oracle is seen at the one that gets the job done. | Aug 15 13:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Half doing something is not good for Oracles image. | Aug 15 13:30 |
| oiaohm_ | That is Oracles problem its either all or nothing. | Aug 15 13:30 |
| oiaohm_ | What makes them one of the worst companies to attack or be attacked by. | Aug 15 13:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Oracle nature keeps most patent trolls away from them. | Aug 15 13:31 |
| schestowitz | That's Ellison's projection | Aug 15 13:32 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep. | Aug 15 13:32 |
| oiaohm_ | CEO supports that nature. | Aug 15 13:32 |
| oiaohm_ | I don't hold out much hope for Redhat or anyone else to resolve this before court. | Aug 15 13:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Unless google completely publically folds. | Aug 15 13:33 |
| oiaohm_ | What I don't see happening. | Aug 15 13:33 |
| oiaohm_ | I do wish the redhat and other best of luck resolving it before court. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is worried | Aug 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Fontana from Red hat replies to a dent of mine | Aug 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | And Jan is pissed off | Aug 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | But no official word from Red Hat | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=70130 | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | "Personally, it's Ruby on Rails and Hadoop for now. My application has a browser-based front so Ruby on Rails is great and as far as the server is concerned, I use the old fashioned C++. Given how I use the data I use in my stealth app, I will never want to use mySQL. It's Hadoop for the moment. Now with this Java lawsuit, I will not even consider building a Java-based application. Given a choice, one should never pick uncertainty or | Aug 15 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle's Java Google lawsuit: The beginning of Java's epitaph : Yobie Benjamin : City Brights .::. Size~: 56.1 KB | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe even a lawsuit." | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | # | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | # An Oracle spokeswoman said: "This suit is specifically about Google and that's it." | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703321004575427710931993950.html | Aug 15 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle's Java Suit Gives Jolt - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 108.55 KB | Aug 15 13:38 |
| oiaohm_ | So they have at last said something. | Aug 15 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | Aug 15 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Reassuring IMHO | Aug 15 13:52 |
| schestowitz | It's about Google/Dalvik onlu | Aug 15 13:52 |
| schestowitz | Android grew too big | Aug 15 13:52 |
| schestowitz | So no SCO | Aug 15 13:53 |
| schestowitz | Google is not to Oracle what IBM was to SCO | Aug 15 13:53 |
| oiaohm_ | But they are still in silent running mode. | Aug 15 13:54 |
| oiaohm_ | The media stir has not been enough to move them out of that. Only enough to make them clarify. | Aug 15 13:55 |
| oiaohm_ | Redhat has reasons to be worried. Oracle also holds patents the Linux kernel uses in its core. | Aug 15 13:56 |
| oiaohm_ | due to aquiring solaris. | Aug 15 13:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Oracle droppign out of OIN would be insanely damaging. | Aug 15 13:57 |
| schestowitz | OS patents? | Aug 15 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Oh | Aug 15 13:59 |
| schestowitz | Solaris | Aug 15 13:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep from SUN as well. schestowitz | Aug 15 13:59 |
| schestowitz | I forgot | Aug 15 13:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Orcale is a nuke class weapon these days. | Aug 15 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Sun could sue Linux | Aug 15 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw said Microsoft tried to have Sun pull a SCO | Aug 15 14:00 |
| schestowitz | Sun's CEO said someone asked him to sue | Aug 15 14:00 |
| schestowitz | And he declined | Aug 15 14:00 |
| schestowitz | He didn't say who | Aug 15 14:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep Diablo-D3 and other java uses don't get it. | Aug 15 14:01 |
| schestowitz | Ill find it for you | Aug 15 14:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/08/uae_to_ban_blac.html | Aug 15 14:01 |
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| oiaohm_ | If Orcale goes nova nothing in the open source world might be left standing. | Aug 15 14:01 |
| oiaohm_ | And they do have the right stuff to truly pull that off. | Aug 15 14:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Heck SUN gets even more scary. | Aug 15 14:02 |
| schestowitz | It made Digg's front page | Aug 15 14:02 |
| schestowitz | BoycottNovell | Aug 15 14:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Most motherboard companies are paying Orcale money for use of SUN patents as well. | Aug 15 14:02 |
| schestowitz | Let me tweet it........ | Aug 15 14:02 |
| oiaohm_ | SUN was a major keystone. | Aug 15 14:03 |
| oiaohm_ | That was highly disrespected by a lot of companies | Aug 15 14:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Because it income was not good. | Aug 15 14:03 |
| oiaohm_ | Really we want to find out why Orcale is upset and what can be done to cool them off. | Aug 15 14:04 |
| schestowitz | "A few years ago Jonathan Schwarz wrote in his blog that Sun was invited (by Microsoft?) to sue a competitor, like SCO http://techrights.org/2007/05/16/sun-microsoft-speculation/ " | Aug 15 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Speculation: Did Microsoft Try to Get Sun to Sue Linux? (Updated) | Techrights .::. Size~: 96.69 KB | Aug 15 14:05 |
| schestowitz | Sun allso paid SCO | Aug 15 14:05 |
| schestowitz | For a licence | Aug 15 14:05 |
| oiaohm_ | But Sun got the licence with a wording that anything sun shipped would be covered downstream for ever. | Aug 15 14:05 |
| oiaohm_ | So if SCO did win against Linux. | Aug 15 14:05 |
| oiaohm_ | All SUN had todo was repovide a copy of Linux and everything could go on as if SCO had done nothing. | Aug 15 14:06 |
| oiaohm_ | So at that point SCO had already 100 percent lost schestowitz | Aug 15 14:06 |
| oiaohm_ | And if they had quit at that point they would have been a healthy company. | Aug 15 14:07 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see........ | Aug 15 14:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Note SUN was providing Linux on there servers at the time. schestowitz | Aug 15 14:08 |
| oiaohm_ | SUN never betrayed open source with the deal with SCO. | Aug 15 14:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Microsoft backers want to play it that way. | Aug 15 14:08 |
| oiaohm_ | Remember solaris for a long time was only a usble OS after you installed all the GNU software. schestowitz | Aug 15 14:10 |
| schestowitz | What did RMS use? | Aug 15 14:10 |
| schestowitz | The used something esle | Aug 15 14:10 |
| oiaohm_ | RMS used something else. | Aug 15 14:12 |
| schestowitz | http://perens.com/blog/d/2010/8/13/33/ | Aug 15 14:13 |
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| schestowitz | Perens | Aug 15 14:13 |
| oiaohm_ | Again overlooked the copyright infringement side. | Aug 15 14:18 |
| oiaohm_ | But the rest by Perens is the way I see it. schestowitz | Aug 15 14:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Also the grants don't cover the licence google used either schestowitz | Aug 15 14:21 |
| oiaohm_ | That is where apache could be in trouble as well. | Aug 15 14:21 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-googles-quarterly-acquisition-tab-148-million-for-11-startups/ | Aug 15 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Googles Quarterly Acquisition Tab: $148 Million For 11 Startups| paidContent .::. Size~: 26.48 KB | Aug 15 14:27 |
| schestowitz | " josephtartakoff: The number of fake Facebook friend requests I'm getting has gone way up over the last two days. Strange. " http://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/20326910680 | Aug 15 14:29 |
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| schestowitz | "Friends" | Aug 15 14:29 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/article/419-were-hiring-reporters1/ | Aug 15 14:33 |
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| schestowitz | "We were acquired by Guardian News & Media (of the UK) in 2008. " | Aug 15 14:33 |
| schestowitz | Guardian owns them?!? | Aug 15 14:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/201095/is_it_time_to_write_apples_obituary.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | "Apple's iPhone 4 reception debacle is a peek into the future: the day Apple finally dies." | Aug 15 15:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/201307/apple_must_kill_the_iphone_4_the_sooner_the_better.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 15:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-10715115 | Aug 15 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | Cracking down on crime........ | Aug 15 15:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/06/invisible-homeless-m.html | Aug 15 17:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Invisible homeless man - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 75.74 KB | Aug 15 17:41 |
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| schestowitz | Thu Jul 15 2010, 10:57 | Aug 15 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1722783/mysql-java-hands | Aug 15 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mysql and java are in good hands - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 54.07 KB | Aug 15 18:52 |
| schestowitz | the day before: http://www.pcworld.com/article/201069/study_most_mysql_users_not_too_worried_about_oracle.html?tk=rss_news | Aug 15 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Study: Most MySQL Users Not Too Worried About Oracle - PCWorld .::. Size~: 69.13 KB | Aug 15 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/16/spending_site_down/ | Aug 15 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Government's sh*tty-Wiki sh*ts bed • The Register .::. Size~: 22.68 KB | Aug 15 19:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.techworld.com.au/article/353503/disagreements_transparency_fail_stop_acta_treaty_leak?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1 | Aug 15 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Disagreements on transparency fail to stop ACTA treaty leak - copyright, digital rights management, european commission, government - Techworld .::. Size~: 53.32 KB | Aug 15 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Is it still alive? | Aug 15 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Gulf states will suffer http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0720/gulf-oil-disaster-destroy-100000-jobs/ | Aug 15 19:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gulf oil disaster could destroy over 100,000 jobs | Raw Story .::. Size~: 36.24 KB | Aug 15 19:37 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0723/man-decked-darth-vader-mask-robs-ny-bank/ | Aug 15 19:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Man decked out in Darth Vader mask robs NY bank | Raw Story .::. Size~: 28.15 KB | Aug 15 19:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/24/gao_snake_oil/ | Aug 15 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mrs Brin's Medicine Show deceived customers, says report • The Register .::. Size~: 24.05 KB | Aug 15 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Andrew Orlowski troll warning | Aug 15 20:03 |
| schestowitz | http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0727/oracles-ellison-highest-paid-ceo-decade/ | Aug 15 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracles Ellison highest paid CEO of the decade | Raw Story .::. Size~: 24.29 KB | Aug 15 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Greedy | Aug 15 20:38 |
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