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| nenolod | schestowitz: what is your take on the fact that oracle is suing people for using Java now? | Aug 17 01:34 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: and that microsoft is not doing the same with Mono users? and that Oracle may be a greater threat to Mono and .NET than Microsoft? | Aug 17 01:34 |
| schestowitz | According to you, I work for Microsoft | Aug 17 06:13 |
| schestowitz | What's the matter with you? | Aug 17 06:14 |
| nenolod | absolutely nothing - i seriously want to know your take on this | Aug 17 07:03 |
| schestowitz | Long term I don't fear Oracle as much, or for other reasons | Aug 17 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Did you /really/ think what you wrote about techrights? | Aug 17 07:06 |
| schestowitz | I'm trying to understand why you'd vilify me when my intentions are to defend Linux | Aug 17 07:07 |
| nenolod | because you are actively harming the viability of linux in a commercial ecosystem | Aug 17 07:07 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Aug 17 07:07 |
| nenolod | because you represent an extremely vocal minority | Aug 17 07:10 |
| nenolod | that minority's views, while valid, get amplified into something that results in behaviour which ultimately undermines the entire cause | Aug 17 07:10 |
| MinceR | get amplified by whom? | Aug 17 07:11 |
| nenolod | attacking novell, for example, even though they donate and employ many open source developers | Aug 17 07:11 |
| nenolod | while yes, novell has done some utterly retarded moves | Aug 17 07:11 |
| schestowitz | The deal with Microsoft harms Linux and FOSS | Aug 17 07:11 |
| schestowitz | It puts patents in the mix | Aug 17 07:11 |
| schestowitz | Like Oracle... | Aug 17 07:11 |
| schestowitz | Should we ignore that? | Aug 17 07:11 |
| schestowitz | Should we also ignore Oracle's harms to Java? | Aug 17 07:12 |
| nenolod | the solution is to be vigilant against patents | Aug 17 07:12 |
| nenolod | not against companies which try to make the best decision that they feel they can make about perceived issues | Aug 17 07:12 |
| schestowitz | Remember that many other people chastise Novell for it, Groklaw, Perens, Asay, etc. included | Aug 17 07:12 |
| schestowitz | I don't know anyone who defends Novell for it, except the pro-Microsoft crowd | Aug 17 07:12 |
| nenolod | i'm not defending Novell - i am saying that the bullshit that you do, like abusing their build service is childish and should be vindicated | Aug 17 07:13 |
| nenolod | such actions are not helpful | Aug 17 07:13 |
| schestowitz | I don't abuse it | Aug 17 07:13 |
| schestowitz | I say, it spreads SUSE= | Aug 17 07:13 |
| schestowitz | patent tax | Aug 17 07:13 |
| schestowitz | So I say, use something like rPath | Aug 17 07:13 |
| nenolod | you made a distribution on it | Aug 17 07:13 |
| schestowitz | I haven't | Aug 17 07:13 |
| nenolod | which included every package | Aug 17 07:13 |
| schestowitz | Someone else did | Aug 17 07:13 |
| nenolod | yes you did | Aug 17 07:13 |
| nenolod | it's on your goddamned site | Aug 17 07:13 |
| schestowitz | Someone else did | Aug 17 07:14 |
| schestowitz | I linked to it | Aug 17 07:14 |
| nenolod | thus you encouraged their troll | Aug 17 07:14 |
| nenolod | groklaw, et al, bring an intelligent argument to the table | Aug 17 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Mono can be sued by Oracle too | Aug 17 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Not just Microsoft | Aug 17 07:14 |
| nenolod | all you bring is trolling | Aug 17 07:14 |
| nenolod | and whacky conspiracy theories | Aug 17 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Trolling in my /own/ site? | Aug 17 07:14 |
| nenolod | sure | Aug 17 07:14 |
| schestowitz | Look up trolling in Wikipedia | Aug 17 07:15 |
| nenolod | i mean, gnaa.eu is technically both a troll and a website | Aug 17 07:15 |
| schestowitz | I voice my opinion | Aug 17 07:15 |
| schestowitz | I don't harm other people's platform | Aug 17 07:15 |
| nenolod | you have actively harmed the mono platform | Aug 17 07:15 |
| nenolod | you have actively harmed xen | Aug 17 07:15 |
| nenolod | mono has a right to exist | Aug 17 07:15 |
| schestowitz | Xen and Mono are controlled to an extent by Microsoft | Aug 17 07:15 |
| nenolod | prove it | Aug 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | via Novell and Citrixx | Aug 17 07:16 |
| nenolod | uh huh | Aug 17 07:16 |
| nenolod | prove it | Aug 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Mono has the right to exist, sure | Aug 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | But I have the right to discourage use of it, based on the risks it brings about | Aug 17 07:16 |
| nenolod | your argument is with .NET, not Mono itself | Aug 17 07:16 |
| nenolod | Mono's virtual machine can run Java too. | Aug 17 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Does it in practice? | Aug 17 07:17 |
| nenolod | Yes. | Aug 17 07:17 |
| schestowitz | People use it for C# mostly | Aug 17 07:17 |
| MinceR | as recent events show, java is also problematic | Aug 17 07:17 |
| schestowitz | It's a tool for training people for VB/.NET | Aug 17 07:17 |
| nenolod | i am not really sure why you feel those languages are evil | Aug 17 07:17 |
| nenolod | there are software patents on C++ | Aug 17 07:17 |
| schestowitz | They give Microsoft leverage | Aug 17 07:17 |
| nenolod | do you tell people to not use C++?> | Aug 17 07:17 |
| nenolod | what makes you think Microsoft is evil? | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I don't trust Oracle, either | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: look at history | Aug 17 07:18 |
| nenolod | i have | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | And.. | Aug 17 07:18 |
| nenolod | Microsoft is a lot tamer than it used to be. | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | PR wise | Aug 17 07:18 |
| nenolod | legal wise too | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | It extorts | Aug 17 07:18 |
| nenolod | yes. | Aug 17 07:18 |
| nenolod | how? | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | HTC recently | Aug 17 07:18 |
| nenolod | oh please | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | TomTom, etc. | Aug 17 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Salesforce.com.... | Aug 17 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Think about it.. | Aug 17 07:19 |
| nenolod | and you think Redhat hasn't tried to extort people? | Aug 17 07:19 |
| nenolod | lets see | Aug 17 07:19 |
| nenolod | RHN... | Aug 17 07:19 |
| schestowitz | With patents? | Aug 17 07:19 |
| nenolod | CentOS... | Aug 17 07:19 |
| nenolod | legal action is legal action | Aug 17 07:19 |
| nenolod | just because one uses one method of harassment | Aug 17 07:19 |
| nenolod | and another uses a different method | Aug 17 07:19 |
| nenolod | does not mean that the legal action is not ultimately for the same purpose in the end | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat lives with CentOS now | Aug 17 07:20 |
| nenolod | now they do | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | They call it complementary | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | it also can bring them customers | Aug 17 07:20 |
| nenolod | just like Microsoft lives with Mono, and calls it complementary | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Long term | Aug 17 07:20 |
| nenolod | zing! | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | CentOS is most popular among Web host, apparently | Aug 17 07:20 |
| nenolod | i mean, not to defend Microsoft's previous actions | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: complementary to Microsoft | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: complementary to Windows | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: complementary to VB | Aug 17 07:20 |
| schestowitz | Not to Linux | Aug 17 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Not to GNU | Aug 17 07:21 |
| schestowitz | That's the difference | Aug 17 07:21 |
| nenolod | GNU is trash anyway | Aug 17 07:21 |
| nenolod | quote me | Aug 17 07:21 |
| schestowitz | You don't want to reinforce a monoculture | Aug 17 07:21 |
| nenolod | yeah i know what your argument is | Aug 17 07:22 |
| nenolod | but Mono's underlying virtual machine is fairly nice | Aug 17 07:22 |
| nenolod | and it doesn't have to touch .Net at all | Aug 17 07:22 |
| nenolod | and people refuse to use *that* technology citing your posts | Aug 17 07:23 |
| nenolod | now, frankly, those people are morons | Aug 17 07:23 |
| nenolod | but there's nothing else out there that provides a cleanly implemented stack machine | Aug 17 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 17 07:23 |
| schestowitz | [07:22] <nenolod> but Mono's underlying virtual machine is fairly nice | Aug 17 07:23 |
| nenolod | there's LLVM, but that's C++ | Aug 17 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Needs less emphasis on c# | Aug 17 07:24 |
| nenolod | and it isn't built for the same kind of lifecycle like Mono's VM is. | Aug 17 07:24 |
| nenolod | C# is just Java with some crap changed | Aug 17 07:24 |
| nenolod | we both know | Aug 17 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes\ | Aug 17 07:24 |
| nenolod | that there is no valid software patent on it | Aug 17 07:24 |
| schestowitz | It's not about swpats | Aug 17 07:24 |
| nenolod | so why not take a dotgnu approach and assimilate C# and commandeer it for our own use | Aug 17 07:24 |
| nenolod | take C# without .NET | Aug 17 07:24 |
| schestowitz | It's about control | Aug 17 07:25 |
| schestowitz | Habits too | Aug 17 07:25 |
| nenolod | so take C# and commandeer it | Aug 17 07:25 |
| schestowitz | "Every line of code that is written to our standards is a small victory; every line of code that is written to any other standard, is a small defeat." | Aug 17 07:25 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Aug 17 07:25 |
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| nenolod | yes | Aug 17 07:25 |
| nenolod | but | Aug 17 07:25 |
| nenolod | they mean .NET there | Aug 17 07:26 |
| nenolod | C# is just a language | Aug 17 07:26 |
| nenolod | there has been an official GNU C# compiler for some time | Aug 17 07:26 |
| schestowitz | Whose language? | Aug 17 07:26 |
| nenolod | that depends | Aug 17 07:26 |
| nenolod | are you using Mono? | Aug 17 07:26 |
| nenolod | or Visual Studio? | Aug 17 07:26 |
| nenolod | if so, yes, it's Microsoft's shit | Aug 17 07:26 |
| nenolod | are you using Vala or dotGNU? | Aug 17 07:26 |
| nenolod | if so, then it's our shit | Aug 17 07:26 |
| schestowitz | It's being promoted by Mono | Aug 17 07:26 |
| schestowitz | They even integrate | Aug 17 07:27 |
| nenolod | oh boohoo | Aug 17 07:27 |
| nenolod | Mono is being about .NET | Aug 17 07:27 |
| schestowitz | That only encourages CS schools to put VB in students' heads | Aug 17 07:27 |
| nenolod | we all know this | Aug 17 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Rather than PHP/Python/Perl... | Aug 17 07:27 |
| nenolod | oh yes | Aug 17 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Google has moved on | Aug 17 07:27 |
| nenolod | i agree there | Aug 17 07:27 |
| schestowitz | So have other large companies | Aug 17 07:27 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses Novell to keep its legacy | Aug 17 07:27 |
| nenolod | the VB training that kids get in college now | Aug 17 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I haven't been rude about it | Aug 17 07:28 |
| nenolod | is a bad thing for CS as a whole | Aug 17 07:28 |
| schestowitz | But Novell sticks with old stufff | Aug 17 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Pulse is OK | Aug 17 07:28 |
| schestowitz | I don't knock it for the most part | Aug 17 07:28 |
| nenolod | do you mean pulseaudio? | Aug 17 07:28 |
| schestowitz | The problem is, every Novell products can make it stronger and thus perpetuate other things like Moonlight | Aug 17 07:28 |
| schestowitz | No, Pulse | Aug 17 07:29 |
| nenolod | never heard of it | Aug 17 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Google's Wave in Novell's legacy s/w | Aug 17 07:29 |
| schestowitz | GroupWise | Aug 17 07:29 |
| nenolod | oh. | Aug 17 07:29 |
| schestowitz | They killed Hula | Aug 17 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Right after the Microsoft deal | Aug 17 07:29 |
| schestowitz | AlexH tried to make Bongo, never took off | Aug 17 07:29 |
| schestowitz | It was like Zimbra | Aug 17 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft saw it as a threat | Aug 17 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Web based | Aug 17 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Now back to Mono and proprietary s/w | Aug 17 07:30 |
| nenolod | what pisses me off is how you keep blogging about how things i have contributed to (e.g. xen being the largest example) and how they are a massive microsoft conspiracy theory | Aug 17 07:31 |
| nenolod | can you see why i might be pissed off with reading such crap? | Aug 17 07:31 |
| nenolod | citrix does not control xen. xen.org controls xen. | Aug 17 07:31 |
| nenolod | yes, citrix is on the board of xen.org, but other companies are too. | Aug 17 07:32 |
| nenolod | i mean next you are going to blog about how audacious is a plot by fraunhofer-IIS to get everyone at risk for being sued by them for MP3 patent violations | Aug 17 07:33 |
| MinceR | strange, i thought citrix bought xensource, which owns xen | Aug 17 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Yes, the 'community' part there is marketing | Aug 17 07:35 |
| schestowitz | Citrix is not a FOSS company | Aug 17 07:35 |
| schestowitz | It enjoys putting some repos out there and seeing free (gratis) code coming in | Aug 17 07:35 |
| schestowitz | There are companies that don't work like this, Fedora being a good example of a company's project | Aug 17 07:35 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: the fact of the matter is, xen is easily forked | Aug 17 07:36 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: and citrix knows that if they pull *any* shit, that it *will* be forked | Aug 17 07:36 |
| schestowitz | I feel bad for OpenSolaris contributors | Aug 17 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Oracle screwed them over | Aug 17 07:37 |
| schestowitz | Forks only work if they outpace the original | Aug 17 07:37 |
| MinceR | gil | Aug 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | The closest thing to a Linux 'fork' would be the Android kernel | Aug 17 07:38 |
| nenolod | how did oracle screw over opensolaris? | Aug 17 07:38 |
| MinceR | wrong window. | Aug 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | And they can afford it cause they sell like 1.5 million phones/week | Aug 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | nenolod: nenolodhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=opensolaris+dead&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Aug 17 07:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: opensolaris dead - Google Search .::. Size~: 38.7 KB | Aug 17 07:38 |
| schestowitz | Go to recent results | Aug 17 07:39 |
| schestowitz | After Oracle confirmed what it had planned for a while | Aug 17 07:39 |
| nenolod | well yes | Aug 17 07:55 |
| nenolod | oracle is just showing the world that it can go fuck itself | Aug 17 07:55 |
| nenolod | schestowitz: i will consider reevaluating my opinion of techrights.org | Aug 17 07:55 |
| schestowitz | Thanks a lot | Aug 17 07:58 |
| schestowitz | And please stick around, tell me if I get soemthing wrong | Aug 17 07:58 |
| schestowitz | As progressive types, we try to do what's productive, e.g. show why software patents need to end | Aug 17 07:59 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/intel-nokia-tout-meego-as-inclusive-alternative-to-android.ars | Aug 17 08:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel, Nokia tout MeeGo as inclusive alternative to Android .::. Size~: 29.31 KB | Aug 17 08:03 |
| schestowitz | I look forward to MeeGo... they lack partners | Aug 17 08:04 |
| MinceR | it seems to be the most open phone platform that supports UMTS | Aug 17 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 17 08:06 |
| schestowitz | Is Meamo gone? | Aug 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | Could it be forked by someone? | Aug 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/oracles-java-lawsuit-undermines-its-open-source-credibility.ars | Aug 17 08:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle's Java lawsuit undermines its open source credibility .::. Size~: 32.88 KB | Aug 17 08:07 |
| schestowitz | OpenSolaris will just be some history now. The new spoon/fork will need promotion | Aug 17 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Turns out many Oracle deployments are on Solaris | Aug 17 08:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe 30%, based on something utters in LinuxCon | Aug 17 08:08 |
| schestowitz | "While the process initially attracted a number of parties, we understand that there are only three left at the table: a private equity-backed company, a UK-based PE firm and a joint bid between a publicly traded tech company and a buyout shop." | Aug 17 08:21 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.the451group.com/techdeals/open-source/same-old-same-old-at-novell/ | Aug 17 08:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Inorganic Growth » Same old, same old at Novell? .::. Size~: 26.21 KB | Aug 17 08:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they can free SUSE | Aug 17 08:21 |
| schestowitz | And give that to IBM | Aug 17 08:21 |
| MinceR | why would Maemo need to be forked? | Aug 17 08:27 |
| schestowitz | For older devices/nostalgia | Aug 17 08:31 |
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| oiaohm | Yes Fanotify mainline. | Aug 17 10:30 |
| schestowitz | What does that mean? | Aug 17 10:33 |
| oiaohm | Real time file scanning support in Linux kernel proper. schestowitz | Aug 17 10:34 |
| oiaohm | No need for anti-virus adding third party crap to Linux kernel for real time scanning. | Aug 17 10:35 |
| oiaohm | Sorry but I do have a little bit of a vested interest in fanotify. | Aug 17 10:35 |
| oiaohm | I was the lead person in the dispute with the lead developer of Fanotify how anti-virus scanning should be added to the Linux kernel. | Aug 17 10:36 |
| oiaohm | fanotify was the result of that arguement. schestowitz | Aug 17 10:37 |
| oiaohm | fanotify also could help indexing services and other file monitoring services as well. schestowitz | Aug 17 10:37 |
| oiaohm | And unlike windows file monitoring fanotify supports many programs side by side monitoring. | Aug 17 10:38 |
| MinceR | i'm more interested in file indexing than antivirus | Aug 17 10:38 |
| oiaohm | I am planing on using fanotify for whitelisting. MinceR | Aug 17 10:38 |
| oiaohm | The anti-virus one interest me from the point of view that its one of the biggest kick backs in the Windows OEM game. | Aug 17 10:39 |
| MinceR | i know | Aug 17 10:39 |
| oiaohm | http://www.dazuko.org/about.shtml Really i will be happy to see the end of this in kernel space. Yes I know its open source but it really can mess things up MinceR | Aug 17 10:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.indianexpress.com/comments/scare-at-home-as-dangerous-virus-stalks-ministry-computers/660888 "This may not have happened if Ubuntu (Linux) was installed on those PC's. Ubuntu is free, safe, secure, stable, customizable, great community support, efficient with resources and does not need an anti-virus. I have been using it for years and am very happy with it." | Aug 17 10:48 |
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| schestowitz | Ubuntu hype machine: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20013760-264.html | Aug 17 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu bringing multitouch to Linux | Deep Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 92.81 KB | Aug 17 10:52 |
| MinceR | what, canonical will contribute? :> | Aug 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Not upstream | Aug 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat is pissed off | Aug 17 10:53 |
| MinceR | ic | Aug 17 10:53 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16751/ubuntu_linux_to_go_multi_touch | Aug 17 10:53 |
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| MinceR | of course, upstream can still take the code | Aug 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/news/16/2010/293 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/ubuntus-multitouch-move-will-it-bolster-adoption/38077 | Aug 17 10:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Eureka! Ubuntu Gets Multi-Touch | Muktware .::. Size~: 19.18 KB | Aug 17 10:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu's multitouch move: Will it bolster adoption? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 124.73 KB | Aug 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Seems like a marketing move | Aug 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | It's not new | Aug 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Fedora had that | Aug 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Like smolt | Aug 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | For the census thing | Aug 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, it can | Aug 17 10:54 |
| schestowitz | Let's wait and see... | Aug 17 10:54 |
| MinceR | of course, the cnet article starts by advertising winblows and macos | Aug 17 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Aug 17 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Linux is just a catchup, says the 'big' press | Aug 17 10:57 |
| schestowitz | Linux=small | Aug 17 10:57 |
| schestowitz | .000000000001% | Aug 17 10:57 |
| schestowitz | "Go buy from he American companies, not the commies" | Aug 17 10:57 |
| schestowitz | "Multitouch support will be coming to Ubuntu and the Linux operating system could more competitive with Windows and the Mac OS." | Aug 17 10:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3898856/Next+Ubuntu+Release+Will+Include+MultiTouch.htm | Aug 17 10:58 |
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| schestowitz | If it were Fedora, nobody would notice | Aug 17 10:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com.au/ibm-buys-unica-for-us-480m-339305230.htm | Aug 17 10:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/pymt-helps-developers-create-multi-touch-apps | Aug 17 10:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: PyMT Helps Developers Create Multi-touch Apps .::. Size~: 41.75 KB | Aug 17 10:59 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: there has been a formal notice of upstreaming of ubuntu multitouch on the X11 mailing list schestowitz | Aug 17 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu development is guesture support. schestowitz | Aug 17 11:04 |
| oiaohm | The core multi touch struct are standard for next years X11 release other than guesture in Ubuntu. schestowitz | Aug 17 11:05 |
| oiaohm | So another case of Ubuntu users being guinee pigs they seam to be use to it by now schestowitz | Aug 17 11:05 |
| schestowitz | http://libreplanet.org/wiki/GNU_Zile Zile? | Aug 17 11:06 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: hogging? | Aug 17 11:06 |
| oiaohm | You think for a moment. | Aug 17 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Multi touch support in X11 is not currently fully field tested. | Aug 17 11:07 |
| oiaohm | Then they have guesture support on top of that. | Aug 17 11:07 |
| MinceR | well, canonical will release it and then it will be field tested. :> | Aug 17 11:07 |
| MinceR | just like KDE 4.0 | Aug 17 11:08 |
| oiaohm | So worst case you mouse now disappears and be insane. | Aug 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | BulletProofX still around? | Aug 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: that's not a Ubuntu issue | Aug 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | KDE... | Aug 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Just a comparison, I take it... | Aug 17 11:08 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: shipping an officially unstable version is a distro issue | Aug 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: not for desktops | Aug 17 11:08 |
| MinceR | the devs did say that 4.0 is not intended to replace 3.x yet | Aug 17 11:08 |
| schestowitz | Maybe tablets | Aug 17 11:08 |
| MinceR | the devs did claim that 4.3 was stable, now that is a KDE issue :> | Aug 17 11:09 |
| oiaohm | But 4.3 still had a notice that it was still missing many features from 3.5 MinceR | Aug 17 11:09 |
| MinceR | i'm not talking about features, i'm talking about stability | Aug 17 11:10 |
| oiaohm | By the looks of that 4.6 might be the first true KDE 4.x without a notice of opps I am missing bits. | Aug 17 11:10 |
| MinceR | oops, i'm missing a panel that doesn't fucking crash every two weeks | Aug 17 11:10 |
| oiaohm | Yep some major leaks and errors was still in 4.3 | Aug 17 11:11 |
| oiaohm | 4.5 is at last showing signs of being able to focus on stablity. | Aug 17 11:12 |
| schestowitz | What about 4.4 and 4.3? | Aug 17 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Not stable? | Aug 17 11:34 |
| MinceR | 4.3 isn't; haven't used 4.4 yet | Aug 17 11:35 |
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| oiaohm | Kde 4.3 if you push the plasma desktop schestowitz you will regret it. | Aug 17 12:46 |
| schestowitz | push how? | Aug 17 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Running lots of plasmsoids. schestowitz | Aug 17 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Area handling that in kde 4.3 was not stable. schestowitz | Aug 17 13:27 |
| schestowitz | How many/ | Aug 17 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I have about 4-5 | Aug 17 14:00 |
| schestowitz | I've run my current kde session for a month non-steop | Aug 17 14:03 |
| schestowitz | *stop | Aug 17 14:03 |
| MinceR | probably depends on usage | Aug 17 14:03 |
| MinceR | and sunspots and moonphases | Aug 17 14:03 |
| oiaohm | And quality of plasmaoids choosen schestowitz | Aug 17 14:04 |
| schestowitz | [14:03] <MinceR> and sunspots and moonphases | Aug 17 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Mono has another emittance? | Aug 17 14:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Aug 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Moonshine, Moon Lie.. | Aug 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Moonshine I've not heard about in a year | Aug 17 14:10 |
| schestowitz | Maybe abandoned | Aug 17 14:10 |
| oiaohm | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7945715/Adobe-chief-Shantanu-Narayen-believes-he-doesnt-need-Apple-or-the-iPad.html Boy bad news apple. | Aug 17 14:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adobe chief Shantanu Narayen believes he doesn't need Apple or the iPad - Telegraph .::. Size~: 61.68 KB | Aug 17 14:39 |
| MinceR | and i know i don't need him, crApple or the hypePad | Aug 17 14:39 |
| MinceR | in fact it would be best if all three died. | Aug 17 14:39 |
| schestowitz | It's just for some rich folks | Aug 17 15:24 |
| schestowitz | 3 million hypePads? | Aug 17 15:25 |
| schestowitz | That's like 0.2% of the installed based | Aug 17 15:25 |
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| amarsh04 | for me, kde 4.x is still waiting on an update to Quanta: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Quanta/Feature_Plan_4 | Aug 17 16:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Projects/Quanta/Feature Plan 4 - KDE TechBase .::. Size~: 48.3 KB | Aug 17 16:08 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know it was still maintained | Aug 17 16:18 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz to his credit, long after they were pressured to work with microsoft, nicholas negroponte said in a ted talk that kids aren't being taught computer skills, they're being taught to make powerpoints. quote: "that's criminal!"" | Aug 17 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Wow. He really said that? http://identi.ca/attachment/25273562 | Aug 17 16:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: http://file.status.net/identica/openuniverse-20100817T153227-lallqxf.html - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.73 KB | Aug 17 16:43 |
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| oiaohm | I had forgot about sun and IBM goofiest patent competition. They use to compete who could out do each other. schestowitz | Aug 17 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Orcale simple does have the stuff to turn the complete patent system into a laugh stock. | Aug 17 23:37 |
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