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nenolodschestowitz: what is your take on the fact that oracle is suing people for using Java now?Aug 17 01:34
nenolodschestowitz: and that microsoft is not doing the same with Mono users?  and that Oracle may be a greater threat to Mono and .NET than Microsoft?Aug 17 01:34
schestowitzAccording to you, I work for MicrosoftAug 17 06:13
schestowitzWhat's the matter with you?Aug 17 06:14
nenolodabsolutely nothing - i seriously want to know your take on thisAug 17 07:03
schestowitzLong term I don't fear Oracle as much, or for other reasonsAug 17 07:06
schestowitzDid you /really/ think what you wrote about techrights?Aug 17 07:06
schestowitzI'm trying to understand why you'd vilify me when my intentions are to defend LinuxAug 17 07:07
nenolodbecause you are actively harming the viability of linux in a commercial ecosystemAug 17 07:07
schestowitzHow so?Aug 17 07:07
nenolodbecause you represent an extremely vocal minorityAug 17 07:10
nenolodthat minority's views, while valid, get amplified into something that results in behaviour which ultimately undermines the entire causeAug 17 07:10
MinceRget amplified by whom?Aug 17 07:11
nenolodattacking novell, for example, even though they donate and employ many open source developersAug 17 07:11
nenolodwhile yes, novell has done some utterly retarded movesAug 17 07:11
schestowitzThe deal with Microsoft harms Linux and FOSSAug 17 07:11
schestowitzIt puts patents in the mixAug 17 07:11
schestowitzLike Oracle...Aug 17 07:11
schestowitzShould we ignore that?Aug 17 07:11
schestowitzShould we also ignore Oracle's harms to Java?Aug 17 07:12
nenolodthe solution is to be vigilant against patentsAug 17 07:12
nenolodnot against companies which try to make the best decision that they feel they can make about perceived issuesAug 17 07:12
schestowitzRemember that many other people chastise Novell for it, Groklaw, Perens, Asay, etc. includedAug 17 07:12
schestowitzI don't know anyone who defends Novell for it, except the pro-Microsoft crowdAug 17 07:12
nenolodi'm not defending Novell - i am saying that the bullshit that you do, like abusing their build service is childish and should be vindicatedAug 17 07:13
nenolodsuch actions are not helpfulAug 17 07:13
schestowitzI don't abuse itAug 17 07:13
schestowitzI say, it spreads SUSE=Aug 17 07:13
schestowitzpatent taxAug 17 07:13
schestowitzSo I say, use something like rPathAug 17 07:13
nenolodyou made a distribution on itAug 17 07:13
schestowitzI haven'tAug 17 07:13
nenolodwhich included every packageAug 17 07:13
schestowitzSomeone else didAug 17 07:13
nenolodyes you didAug 17 07:13
nenolodit's on your goddamned siteAug 17 07:13
schestowitzSomeone else didAug 17 07:14
schestowitzI linked to itAug 17 07:14
nenolodthus you encouraged their trollAug 17 07:14
nenolodgroklaw, et al, bring an intelligent argument to the tableAug 17 07:14
schestowitzMono can be sued by Oracle tooAug 17 07:14
schestowitzNot just MicrosoftAug 17 07:14
nenolodall you bring is trollingAug 17 07:14
nenolodand whacky conspiracy theoriesAug 17 07:14
schestowitzTrolling in my /own/ site?Aug 17 07:14
nenolodsureAug 17 07:14
schestowitzLook up trolling in WikipediaAug 17 07:15
nenolodi mean, gnaa.eu is technically both a troll and a websiteAug 17 07:15
schestowitzI voice my opinionAug 17 07:15
schestowitzI don't harm other people's platformAug 17 07:15
nenolodyou have actively harmed the mono platformAug 17 07:15
nenolodyou have actively harmed xenAug 17 07:15
nenolodmono has a right to existAug 17 07:15
schestowitzXen and Mono are controlled to an extent by MicrosoftAug 17 07:15
nenolodprove itAug 17 07:16
schestowitzvia Novell and CitrixxAug 17 07:16
nenoloduh huhAug 17 07:16
nenolodprove itAug 17 07:16
schestowitzMono has the right to exist, sureAug 17 07:16
schestowitzBut I have the right to discourage use of it, based on the risks it brings aboutAug 17 07:16
nenolodyour argument is with .NET, not Mono itselfAug 17 07:16
nenolodMono's virtual machine can run Java too.Aug 17 07:16
schestowitzDoes it in practice?Aug 17 07:17
nenolodYes.Aug 17 07:17
schestowitzPeople use it for C# mostlyAug 17 07:17
MinceRas recent events show, java is also problematicAug 17 07:17
schestowitzIt's a tool for training people for VB/.NETAug 17 07:17
nenolodi am not really sure why you feel those languages are evilAug 17 07:17
nenolodthere are software patents on C++Aug 17 07:17
schestowitzThey give Microsoft leverageAug 17 07:17
nenoloddo you tell people to not use C++?>Aug 17 07:17
nenolodwhat makes you think Microsoft is evil?Aug 17 07:18
schestowitzBTW, I don't trust Oracle, eitherAug 17 07:18
schestowitznenolod: look at historyAug 17 07:18
nenolodi haveAug 17 07:18
schestowitzAnd..Aug 17 07:18
nenolodMicrosoft is a lot tamer than it used to be.Aug 17 07:18
schestowitzPR wiseAug 17 07:18
nenolodlegal wise tooAug 17 07:18
schestowitzNoAug 17 07:18
schestowitzIt extortsAug 17 07:18
nenolodyes.Aug 17 07:18
nenolodhow?Aug 17 07:18
schestowitzHTC recentlyAug 17 07:18
nenolodoh pleaseAug 17 07:18
schestowitzTomTom, etc.Aug 17 07:18
schestowitzSalesforce.com....Aug 17 07:19
schestowitzThink about it..Aug 17 07:19
nenolodand you think Redhat hasn't tried to extort people?Aug 17 07:19
nenolodlets seeAug 17 07:19
nenolodRHN...Aug 17 07:19
schestowitzWith patents?Aug 17 07:19
nenolodCentOS...Aug 17 07:19
nenolodlegal action is legal actionAug 17 07:19
nenolodjust because one uses one method of harassmentAug 17 07:19
nenolodand another uses a different methodAug 17 07:19
nenoloddoes not mean that the legal action is not ultimately for the same purpose in the endAug 17 07:20
schestowitzRed Hat lives with CentOS nowAug 17 07:20
nenolodnow they doAug 17 07:20
schestowitzThey call it complementaryAug 17 07:20
schestowitzit also can bring them customersAug 17 07:20
nenolodjust like Microsoft lives with Mono, and calls it complementaryAug 17 07:20
schestowitzLong termAug 17 07:20
nenolodzing!Aug 17 07:20
schestowitzCentOS is most popular among Web host, apparentlyAug 17 07:20
nenolodi mean, not to defend Microsoft's previous actionsAug 17 07:20
schestowitznenolod: complementary to MicrosoftAug 17 07:20
schestowitznenolod: complementary to WindowsAug 17 07:20
schestowitznenolod: complementary to VBAug 17 07:20
schestowitzNot to LinuxAug 17 07:21
schestowitzNot to GNUAug 17 07:21
schestowitzThat's the differenceAug 17 07:21
nenolodGNU is trash anywayAug 17 07:21
nenolodquote meAug 17 07:21
schestowitzYou don't want to reinforce a monocultureAug 17 07:21
nenolodyeah i know what your argument isAug 17 07:22
nenolodbut Mono's underlying virtual machine is fairly niceAug 17 07:22
nenolodand it doesn't have to touch .Net at allAug 17 07:22
nenolodand people refuse to use *that* technology citing your postsAug 17 07:23
nenolodnow, frankly, those people are moronsAug 17 07:23
nenolodbut there's nothing else out there that provides a cleanly implemented stack machineAug 17 07:23
schestowitzYeahAug 17 07:23
schestowitz[07:22] <nenolod> but Mono's underlying virtual machine is fairly niceAug 17 07:23
nenolodthere's LLVM, but that's C++Aug 17 07:23
schestowitzNeeds less emphasis on c#Aug 17 07:24
nenolodand it isn't built for the same kind of lifecycle like Mono's VM is.Aug 17 07:24
nenolodC# is just Java with some crap changedAug 17 07:24
nenolodwe both knowAug 17 07:24
schestowitzYes\Aug 17 07:24
nenolodthat there is no valid software patent on itAug 17 07:24
schestowitzIt's not about swpatsAug 17 07:24
nenolodso why not take a dotgnu approach and assimilate C# and commandeer it for our own useAug 17 07:24
nenolodtake C# without .NETAug 17 07:24
schestowitzIt's about controlAug 17 07:25
schestowitzHabits tooAug 17 07:25
nenolodso take C# and commandeer itAug 17 07:25
schestowitz"Every line of code that is written to our standards is a small victory; every line of code that is written to any other standard, is a small defeat."Aug 17 07:25
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdfAug 17 07:25
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nenolodyesAug 17 07:25
nenolodbutAug 17 07:25
nenolodthey mean .NET thereAug 17 07:26
nenolodC# is just a languageAug 17 07:26
nenolodthere has been an official GNU C# compiler for some timeAug 17 07:26
schestowitzWhose language?Aug 17 07:26
nenolodthat dependsAug 17 07:26
nenolodare you using Mono?Aug 17 07:26
nenolodor Visual Studio?Aug 17 07:26
nenolodif so, yes, it's Microsoft's shitAug 17 07:26
nenolodare you using Vala or dotGNU?Aug 17 07:26
nenolodif so, then it's our shitAug 17 07:26
schestowitzIt's being promoted by MonoAug 17 07:26
schestowitzThey even integrateAug 17 07:27
nenolodoh boohooAug 17 07:27
nenolodMono is being about .NETAug 17 07:27
schestowitzThat only encourages CS schools to put VB in students' headsAug 17 07:27
nenolodwe all know thisAug 17 07:27
schestowitzRather than PHP/Python/Perl...Aug 17 07:27
nenolodoh yesAug 17 07:27
schestowitzGoogle has moved onAug 17 07:27
nenolodi agree thereAug 17 07:27
schestowitzSo have other large companiesAug 17 07:27
schestowitzMicrosoft uses Novell to keep its legacyAug 17 07:27
nenolodthe VB training that kids get in college nowAug 17 07:28
schestowitzI haven't been rude about itAug 17 07:28
nenolodis a bad thing for CS as a wholeAug 17 07:28
schestowitzBut Novell sticks with old stufffAug 17 07:28
schestowitzPulse is OKAug 17 07:28
schestowitzI don't knock it for the most partAug 17 07:28
nenoloddo you mean pulseaudio?Aug 17 07:28
schestowitzThe problem is, every Novell products can make it stronger and thus perpetuate other things like MoonlightAug 17 07:28
schestowitzNo, PulseAug 17 07:29
nenolodnever heard of itAug 17 07:29
schestowitzGoogle's Wave in Novell's legacy s/wAug 17 07:29
schestowitzGroupWiseAug 17 07:29
nenolodoh.Aug 17 07:29
schestowitzThey killed HulaAug 17 07:29
schestowitzRight after the Microsoft dealAug 17 07:29
schestowitzAlexH tried to make Bongo, never took offAug 17 07:29
schestowitzIt was like ZimbraAug 17 07:29
schestowitzMicrosoft saw it as a threatAug 17 07:29
schestowitzWeb basedAug 17 07:30
schestowitzNow back to Mono and proprietary s/wAug 17 07:30
nenolodwhat pisses me off is how you keep blogging about how things i have contributed to (e.g. xen being the largest example) and how they are a massive microsoft conspiracy theoryAug 17 07:31
nenolodcan you see why i might be pissed off with reading such crap?Aug 17 07:31
nenolodcitrix does not control xen.  xen.org controls xen.Aug 17 07:31
nenolodyes, citrix is on the board of xen.org, but other companies are too.Aug 17 07:32
nenolodi mean next you are going to blog about how audacious is a plot by fraunhofer-IIS to get everyone at risk for being sued by them for MP3 patent violationsAug 17 07:33
MinceRstrange, i thought citrix bought xensource, which owns xenAug 17 07:34
schestowitzYes, the 'community' part there is marketingAug 17 07:35
schestowitzCitrix is not a FOSS companyAug 17 07:35
schestowitzIt enjoys putting some repos out there and seeing free (gratis) code coming inAug 17 07:35
schestowitzThere are companies that don't work like this, Fedora being a good example of a company's projectAug 17 07:35
nenolodschestowitz: the fact of the matter is, xen is easily forkedAug 17 07:36
nenolodschestowitz: and citrix knows that if they pull *any* shit, that it *will* be forkedAug 17 07:36
schestowitzI feel bad for OpenSolaris contributorsAug 17 07:37
schestowitzOracle screwed them overAug 17 07:37
schestowitzForks only work if they outpace the originalAug 17 07:37
MinceR gilAug 17 07:38
schestowitzThe closest thing to a Linux 'fork' would be the Android kernelAug 17 07:38
nenolodhow did oracle screw over opensolaris?Aug 17 07:38
MinceRwrong window.Aug 17 07:38
schestowitzAnd they can afford it cause they sell like 1.5 million phones/weekAug 17 07:38
schestowitznenolod: nenolodhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=opensolaris+dead&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Aug 17 07:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: opensolaris dead - Google Search .::. Size~: 38.7 KBAug 17 07:38
schestowitzGo to recent resultsAug 17 07:39
schestowitzAfter Oracle confirmed what it had planned for a whileAug 17 07:39
nenolodwell yesAug 17 07:55
nenolodoracle is just showing the world that it can go fuck itselfAug 17 07:55
nenolodschestowitz: i will consider reevaluating my opinion of techrights.orgAug 17 07:55
schestowitzThanks a lotAug 17 07:58
schestowitzAnd please stick around, tell me if I get soemthing wrongAug 17 07:58
schestowitzAs progressive types, we try to do what's productive, e.g. show why software patents need to endAug 17 07:59
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/intel-nokia-tout-meego-as-inclusive-alternative-to-android.arsAug 17 08:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Intel, Nokia tout MeeGo as inclusive alternative to Android .::. Size~: 29.31 KBAug 17 08:03
schestowitzI look forward to MeeGo... they lack partnersAug 17 08:04
MinceRit seems to be the most open phone platform that supports UMTSAug 17 08:04
schestowitzYeahAug 17 08:06
schestowitzIs Meamo gone?Aug 17 08:07
schestowitzCould it be forked by someone?Aug 17 08:07
schestowitzhttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/08/oracles-java-lawsuit-undermines-its-open-source-credibility.arsAug 17 08:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle's Java lawsuit undermines its open source credibility .::. Size~: 32.88 KBAug 17 08:07
schestowitzOpenSolaris will just be some history now. The new spoon/fork will need promotionAug 17 08:08
schestowitzTurns out many Oracle deployments are on SolarisAug 17 08:08
schestowitzMaybe 30%, based on something utters in LinuxConAug 17 08:08
schestowitz"While the process initially attracted a number of parties, we understand that there are only three left at the table: a private equity-backed company, a UK-based PE firm and a joint bid between a publicly traded tech company and a buyout shop."Aug 17 08:21
schestowitzhttp://blogs.the451group.com/techdeals/open-source/same-old-same-old-at-novell/Aug 17 08:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Inorganic Growth » Same old, same old at Novell? .::. Size~: 26.21 KBAug 17 08:21
schestowitzMaybe they can free SUSEAug 17 08:21
schestowitzAnd give that to IBMAug 17 08:21
MinceRwhy would Maemo need to be forked?Aug 17 08:27
schestowitzFor older devices/nostalgiaAug 17 08:31
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oiaohmYes Fanotify mainline.Aug 17 10:30
schestowitzWhat does that mean?Aug 17 10:33
oiaohmReal time file scanning support in Linux kernel proper.  schestowitzAug 17 10:34
oiaohmNo need for anti-virus adding third party crap to Linux kernel for real time scanning.Aug 17 10:35
oiaohmSorry but I do have a little bit of a vested interest in fanotify.Aug 17 10:35
oiaohmI was the lead person in the dispute with the lead developer of Fanotify how anti-virus scanning should be added to the Linux kernel.Aug 17 10:36
oiaohmfanotify was the result of that arguement.  schestowitzAug 17 10:37
oiaohmfanotify also could help indexing services and other file monitoring services as well.  schestowitzAug 17 10:37
oiaohmAnd unlike windows file monitoring fanotify supports many programs side by side monitoring.Aug 17 10:38
MinceRi'm more interested in file indexing than antivirusAug 17 10:38
oiaohmI am planing on using fanotify for whitelisting.  MinceRAug 17 10:38
oiaohmThe anti-virus one interest me from the point of view that its one of the biggest kick backs in the Windows OEM game.Aug 17 10:39
MinceRi knowAug 17 10:39
oiaohmhttp://www.dazuko.org/about.shtml  Really i will be happy to see the end of this in kernel space.  Yes I know its open source but it really can mess things up MinceRAug 17 10:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.indianexpress.com/comments/scare-at-home-as-dangerous-virus-stalks-ministry-computers/660888 "This may not have happened if Ubuntu (Linux) was installed on those PC's. Ubuntu is free, safe, secure, stable, customizable, great community support, efficient with resources and does not need an anti-virus. I have been using it for years and am very happy with it."Aug 17 10:48
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schestowitzUbuntu hype machine: http://news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20013760-264.htmlAug 17 10:52
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MinceRwhat, canonical will contribute? :>Aug 17 10:53
schestowitzNoAug 17 10:53
schestowitzNot upstreamAug 17 10:53
schestowitzRed Hat is pissed offAug 17 10:53
MinceRicAug 17 10:53
schestowitzhttp://blogs.computerworld.com/16751/ubuntu_linux_to_go_multi_touchAug 17 10:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu Linux to go multi-touch - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 71.72 KBAug 17 10:53
MinceRof course, upstream can still take the codeAug 17 10:54
schestowitzhttp://www.muktware.com/news/16/2010/293 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/ubuntus-multitouch-move-will-it-bolster-adoption/38077Aug 17 10:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Eureka! Ubuntu Gets Multi-Touch | Muktware .::. Size~: 19.18 KBAug 17 10:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu's multitouch move: Will it bolster adoption? | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 124.73 KBAug 17 10:54
schestowitzSeems like a marketing moveAug 17 10:54
schestowitzIt's not newAug 17 10:54
schestowitzFedora had thatAug 17 10:54
schestowitzLike smoltAug 17 10:54
schestowitzFor the census thingAug 17 10:54
schestowitzMinceR: yes, it canAug 17 10:54
schestowitzLet's wait and see...Aug 17 10:54
MinceRof course, the cnet article starts by advertising winblows and macosAug 17 10:56
schestowitzYesAug 17 10:56
schestowitzLinux is just a catchup, says the 'big' pressAug 17 10:57
schestowitzLinux=smallAug 17 10:57
schestowitz.000000000001%Aug 17 10:57
schestowitz"Go buy from he American companies, not the commies"Aug 17 10:57
schestowitz"Multitouch support will be coming to Ubuntu and the Linux operating system could more competitive with Windows and the Mac OS."Aug 17 10:57
schestowitzhttp://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3898856/Next+Ubuntu+Release+Will+Include+MultiTouch.htmAug 17 10:58
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schestowitzIf it were Fedora, nobody would noticeAug 17 10:58
schestowitzhttp://www.zdnet.com.au/ibm-buys-unica-for-us-480m-339305230.htmAug 17 10:58
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schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/pymt-helps-developers-create-multi-touch-appsAug 17 10:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  PyMT Helps Developers Create Multi-touch Apps  .::. Size~: 41.75 KBAug 17 10:59
oiaohmschestowitz: there has been a formal notice of upstreaming of ubuntu multitouch on the X11 mailing list schestowitzAug 17 11:03
oiaohmUbuntu development is guesture support.   schestowitzAug 17 11:04
oiaohmThe core multi touch struct are standard for next years X11 release other than guesture in Ubuntu.  schestowitzAug 17 11:05
oiaohmSo another case of Ubuntu users being guinee pigs they seam to be use to it by now schestowitzAug 17 11:05
schestowitzhttp://libreplanet.org/wiki/GNU_Zile Zile?Aug 17 11:06
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schestowitzoiaohm: hogging?Aug 17 11:06
oiaohmYou think for a moment.Aug 17 11:07
oiaohmMulti touch support in X11 is not currently fully field tested.Aug 17 11:07
oiaohmThen they have guesture support on top of that.Aug 17 11:07
MinceRwell, canonical will release it and then it will be field tested. :>Aug 17 11:07
MinceRjust like KDE 4.0Aug 17 11:08
oiaohmSo worst case you mouse now disappears and be insane.Aug 17 11:08
schestowitzBulletProofX still around?Aug 17 11:08
schestowitzMinceR: that's not a Ubuntu issueAug 17 11:08
schestowitzKDE...Aug 17 11:08
schestowitzJust a comparison, I take it...Aug 17 11:08
MinceRschestowitz: shipping an officially unstable version is a distro issueAug 17 11:08
schestowitzMinceR: not for desktopsAug 17 11:08
MinceRthe devs did say that 4.0 is not intended to replace 3.x yetAug 17 11:08
schestowitzMaybe tabletsAug 17 11:08
MinceRthe devs did claim that 4.3 was stable, now that is a KDE issue :>Aug 17 11:09
oiaohmBut 4.3 still had a notice that it was still missing many features from 3.5  MinceRAug 17 11:09
MinceRi'm not talking about features, i'm talking about stabilityAug 17 11:10
oiaohmBy the looks of that 4.6 might be the first true KDE 4.x without a notice of opps I am missing bits.Aug 17 11:10
MinceRoops, i'm missing a panel that doesn't fucking crash every two weeksAug 17 11:10
oiaohmYep some major leaks and errors was still in 4.3Aug 17 11:11
oiaohm4.5 is at last showing signs of being able to focus on stablity.Aug 17 11:12
schestowitzWhat about 4.4 and 4.3?Aug 17 11:34
schestowitzNot stable?Aug 17 11:34
MinceR4.3 isn't; haven't used 4.4 yetAug 17 11:35
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oiaohmKde 4.3 if you push the plasma desktop schestowitz you will regret it.Aug 17 12:46
schestowitzpush how?Aug 17 13:20
oiaohmRunning lots of plasmsoids.  schestowitzAug 17 13:27
oiaohmArea handling that in kde 4.3 was not stable. schestowitzAug 17 13:27
schestowitzHow many/Aug 17 14:00
schestowitzI have about 4-5Aug 17 14:00
schestowitzI've run my current kde session for a month non-steopAug 17 14:03
schestowitz*stopAug 17 14:03
MinceRprobably depends on usageAug 17 14:03
MinceRand sunspots and moonphasesAug 17 14:03
oiaohmAnd quality of plasmaoids choosen schestowitzAug 17 14:04
schestowitz[14:03] <MinceR> and sunspots and moonphasesAug 17 14:09
schestowitzMono has another emittance?Aug 17 14:10
MinceRlolAug 17 14:10
schestowitzMoonshine, Moon Lie..Aug 17 14:10
schestowitzMoonshine I've not heard about in a yearAug 17 14:10
schestowitzMaybe abandonedAug 17 14:10
oiaohmhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/7945715/Adobe-chief-Shantanu-Narayen-believes-he-doesnt-need-Apple-or-the-iPad.html   Boy bad news apple.Aug 17 14:38
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MinceRand i know i don't need him, crApple or the hypePadAug 17 14:39
MinceRin fact it would be best if all three died.Aug 17 14:39
schestowitzIt's just for some rich folksAug 17 15:24
schestowitz3 million hypePads?Aug 17 15:25
schestowitzThat's like 0.2% of the installed basedAug 17 15:25
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amarsh04for me, kde 4.x is still waiting on an update to Quanta: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Quanta/Feature_Plan_4Aug 17 16:08
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schestowitzI didn't know it was still maintainedAug 17 16:18
schestowitz"@schestowitz to his credit, long after they were pressured to work with microsoft, nicholas negroponte said in a ted talk that kids aren't being taught computer skills, they're being taught to make powerpoints. quote: "that's criminal!""Aug 17 16:43
schestowitzWow. He really said that? http://identi.ca/attachment/25273562Aug 17 16:43
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oiaohmI had forgot about sun and IBM goofiest patent competition.    They use to compete who could out do each other.  schestowitzAug 17 23:36
oiaohmOrcale simple does have the stuff to turn the complete patent system into a laugh stock.Aug 17 23:37

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