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| schestowitz | Yeah, Simon Phiipps still remembers with disdain | Aug 18 00:02 |
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| amarsh04 | http://www.itnews.com.au/News/228951,treasury-linux-australia-collaborate-on-tax-tools.aspx | Aug 18 02:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Treasury, Linux Australia collaborate on tax tools - Software - Technology - News - iTnews.com.au .::. Size~: 72.86 KB | Aug 18 02:17 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I mentioned this to you earlier and highlighted you | Aug 18 06:29 |
| oiaohm | http://www.linux.org.au/ This is the body working with the Tax Office schestowitz | Aug 18 06:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Australia | Promoting FOSS .::. Size~: 14.69 KB | Aug 18 06:32 |
| oiaohm | The Australian Linux foundation who runs the major Australian Linux confs. | Aug 18 06:32 |
| oiaohm | You brits should have a equal schestowitz | Aug 18 06:34 |
| schestowitz | UKUUG | Aug 18 06:59 |
| oiaohm | Do they take on goverment? schestowitz | Aug 18 07:24 |
| oiaohm | Or is ours one just warped. | Aug 18 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Everyone's us | Aug 18 07:50 |
| schestowitz | *is | Aug 18 07:50 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2010/aug/17/r-etro-r-egatta/ | Aug 18 08:39 |
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| oiaohm | http://blog.namei.org/2010/08/18/linux-security-summit-2010-wrapup/ Interesting read | Aug 18 14:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Security Summit 2010 Wrapup | James Morris .::. Size~: 40.88 KB | Aug 18 14:18 |
| amarsh04 | yes, I did see the link schestowitz | Aug 18 14:46 |
| schestowitz | NZ is well organised FOSS wise | Aug 18 14:47 |
| amarsh04 | AUUG dissolved and Linux Australia probably more than filled its place | Aug 18 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's easier in smaller govts | Aug 18 14:47 |
| amarsh04 | our state government and universities are terribly beholden to microsoft (and eds probably didn't help either) | Aug 18 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Watch poor coverage: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Linux-and-Open-Source/Oracle-Suit-Against-Android-Threatens-Open-Source-Existence-224135/ | Aug 18 14:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle Suit Against Android Threatens Open-Source Existence - Linux and Open Source from eWeek .::. Size~: 109.52 KB | Aug 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | I like how Rainer in LinuxToday put it | Aug 18 14:49 |
| schestowitz | WHen Dana also used a stupid headline like this in ZD | Aug 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: EDS is HP now? | Aug 18 14:50 |
| amarsh04 | yes, schestowitz | Aug 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | http://h10134.www1.hp.com/news/releases/4550/ | Aug 18 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HP Enterprise Services Home: Business Process Outsourcing, IT Outsourcing, Application Services | hp.com .::. Size~: 13.99 KB | Aug 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | DId you read about Hurd? | Aug 18 14:50 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/08/16/power-struggle-in-hp/ | Aug 18 14:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Robert X. Cringely Shreds Microsoft to Pieces While Fraud/Kickbacks Surface at HP, Dell, and Intel | Techrights .::. Size~: 112.57 KB | Aug 18 14:51 |
| schestowitz | Theory (not mine) that Hurd was trapped and canned by Microsoft | Aug 18 14:51 |
| amarsh04 | yes, and given what I read about the faulty hp laptops which overheated, I think hp should return to being a reputable company | Aug 18 14:51 |
| amarsh04 | this implies having more responsibility for the quality of products with their brand name and not sending customers on a wild goose chase to get support | Aug 18 14:54 |
| amarsh04 | I'm glad that I took out the extended warranty with my hp officejet pro - the feeder stopped working and they brought a replacement printer to exchange for the faulty one. | Aug 18 14:55 |
| schestowitz | I thought their hardware on desktops/laptops was decent | Aug 18 15:03 |
| schestowitz | HP's manager gave Ballmer a kicking over Vista | Aug 18 15:03 |
| MinceR | i've had mechanical issues with the paper feeder mechanism of 2 hp printers i've used | Aug 18 15:04 |
| MinceR | i own one of them | Aug 18 15:04 |
| amarsh04 | there was a period where faulty bonding of nvidia graphics chips on hp laptops caused problems (see http://www.hplies.com ) - apparently apple and dell were also affected but offered recalls | Aug 18 15:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HP Lies: The nVidia Defect .::. Size~: 19.02 KB | Aug 18 15:04 |
| schestowitz | More of the scare: http://www.ctoedge.com/content/getting-ready-end-open-source | Aug 18 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Getting Ready for the End of Open Source | CTO Edge .::. Size~: 28.25 KB | Aug 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | I very much doubt these headlines are true | Aug 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: me too, one week ago | Aug 18 15:05 |
| schestowitz | I wrote about it in IRC at the time | Aug 18 15:05 |
| MinceR | i don't know how other manufacturers fare | Aug 18 15:05 |
| MinceR | (except i know a lexmark which has trouble realizing that one of its paper trays is in its place) | Aug 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Me neither, not based on much experience, but others I've used are also bad | Aug 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | I gave my HP scanner to my mom last month | Aug 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | I no longer use scanner/printer, all digital (hardly ever a pen) | Aug 18 15:06 |
| MinceR | same here | Aug 18 15:06 |
| schestowitz | I can store all my 'papers' and 'photographs' on SSD | Aug 18 15:07 |
| MinceR | i still have my ScanMagic scanner, but i want to replace it eventually | Aug 18 15:07 |
| amarsh04 | I've ended up using paper to send registered letters (and even then Australia Post lost one of them) | Aug 18 15:07 |
| schestowitz | My HP scanner was crap | Aug 18 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Low res | Aug 18 15:07 |
| MinceR | my ScanMagic scanner is crap | Aug 18 15:07 |
| MinceR | noname crap, too | Aug 18 15:07 |
| schestowitz | I used a friend's scanner (3000pm across) to scam all old photo albums | Aug 18 15:07 |
| MinceR | the Mustek driver in SANE could talk to it but all it got was white pixels | Aug 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | *cm *scan | Aug 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | *px | Aug 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Oops. I should really not lean when I type | Aug 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Mustek still around? | Aug 18 15:08 |
| MinceR | dunno | Aug 18 15:08 |
| schestowitz | I heard about them when I worked in a computer store 9 years ago | Aug 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | CHeapo h/ | Aug 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Cheapo h/w | Aug 18 15:09 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if that's a Mustek all, since it doesn't have that on the box or anywhere | Aug 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they got masticated | Aug 18 15:09 |
| MinceR | for some reason i believed it to perhaps be a Mustek, maybe i remembered them using this brand | Aug 18 15:09 |
| schestowitz | It's a s* brand | Aug 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | Must EEK! | Aug 18 15:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mustek.com/ | Aug 18 07:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mustek Manufacturer of Consumer Electronics .::. Size~: 16.17 KB | Aug 18 07:00 |
| schestowitz | Seems somewhat kaput | Aug 18 07:01 |
| schestowitz | PR6, 300k-th in ALexa | Aug 18 07:01 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustek_Systems | Aug 18 07:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mustek Systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 25.68 KB | Aug 18 07:01 |
| schestowitz | "Mustek Systems is a company based in Hsinchu, Taiwan, established in October 1988.[1] " | Aug 18 07:02 |
| schestowitz | "The main factory is based in Dongguan (Guangdong province), south mainland China. Subsidiaries are based in Neuss (Germany), in Japan and in Irvine, CA (United States)." | Aug 18 07:02 |
| schestowitz | Taiwan uses CHinese labour, still | Aug 18 07:02 |
| schestowitz | I was just having a chat about this with a friend over lunch | Aug 18 07:02 |
| MinceR | no wonder | Aug 18 07:02 |
| MinceR | taiwan is full of chinese people, after all ;) | Aug 18 07:02 |
| schestowitz | We're still heading towards a mess | Aug 18 07:02 |
| MinceR | Republic of China | Aug 18 07:02 |
| schestowitz | China has just outpaced Japan's economy | Aug 18 07:02 |
| MinceR | might be the only legitimate chinese state currently | Aug 18 07:02 |
| schestowitz | GDP-wise | Aug 18 07:02 |
| oiaohm | Most manfacting in china | Aug 18 07:03 |
| MinceR | they at least let their citizens legitimate their rule, unlike PRC, where the state decides who gets to run in the elections, etc. | Aug 18 07:03 |
| MinceR | s/mate/mize/ | Aug 18 07:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but Taiwan is wealthy and isolated | Aug 18 07:04 |
| MinceR | even though iirc both states arose from monarchy in pretty much the same way :) | Aug 18 07:04 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_Province | Aug 18 07:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Taiwan Province - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 84.04 KB | Aug 18 07:04 |
| MinceR | ROC had the advantage of being sponsored by states who didn't value dictatorship so highly | Aug 18 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Read china rules. Techically anyone can run in elections MinceR | Aug 18 07:04 |
| schestowitz | Taiwan passed hands too | Aug 18 07:05 |
| schestowitz | JApan for example | Aug 18 07:05 |
| MinceR | don't people who would oppose them "disappear"? | Aug 18 07:05 |
| oiaohm | One problem if you do and you are not invited they just call you a enemy of state and lock you up so you cannot attent the required events to run. MinceR | Aug 18 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Like in the West | Aug 18 07:05 |
| MinceR | also, iirc there are enough levels of indirection to keep control out of the citizens' hands | Aug 18 07:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie so you drop out by default. | Aug 18 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Depends where you read about it | Aug 18 07:05 |
| oiaohm | After the elections they let them back out MinceR | Aug 18 07:06 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: in other words, the state decides who gets to run. | Aug 18 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Same in the USSR and USSA | Aug 18 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Implicit | Aug 18 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. MinceR | Aug 18 07:06 |
| schestowitz | Church funds religious candidates who support their opposition and same with industry and rich families | Aug 18 07:06 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: well, call them a democracy if it makes you feel better :> | Aug 18 07:06 |
| oiaohm | There have be a few cases of people running who have done nothing to make themselves enemy of state | Aug 18 07:06 |
| MinceR | the People's Republic of Australia might well adopt that system too, they seem to want to learn from the PRC a lot | Aug 18 07:07 |
| oiaohm | in china against the will of the party. | Aug 18 07:07 |
| oiaohm | Ie its possible but not easy MinceR | Aug 18 07:07 |
| MinceR | yes, you need to be bulletproof | Aug 18 07:07 |
| MinceR | and impossible to restrain | Aug 18 07:08 |
| MinceR | or you need a huge army :> | Aug 18 07:08 |
| oiaohm | Really china rarely kills. | Aug 18 07:08 |
| oiaohm | They use what they call reeducation camps. | Aug 18 07:08 |
| oiaohm | Ie why kill someone who can be force labor. MinceR | Aug 18 07:08 |
| MinceR | they educate you to accept dictatorship | Aug 18 07:08 |
| oiaohm | The election this year in australia is sad | Aug 18 07:09 |
| oiaohm | Media cover has suxed. | Aug 18 07:09 |
| oiaohm | Most sides are running heavy negitvie campains. | Aug 18 07:10 |
| amarsh04 | I haven't seen enough good candidates (incumbant or otherwise) | Aug 18 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Its almost 3 negitive adds to one possitive | Aug 18 07:10 |
| oiaohm | The local reps are getting almost no media coverage at all. | Aug 18 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically Its not informed ellection. | Aug 18 07:11 |
| oiaohm | Its crap or crap. | Aug 18 07:11 |
| MinceR | at least you get to choose what crap you want | Aug 18 07:11 |
| MinceR | and even to run | Aug 18 07:12 |
| MinceR | (or to leave the country) | Aug 18 07:12 |
| schestowitz | Antarctica is close :-) | Aug 18 07:14 |
| schestowitz | I think the opposition from Hockey wants to kill the censorship proposal put forth by Conray | Aug 18 07:14 |
| schestowitz | *Roy | Aug 18 07:14 |
| schestowitz | But that's the only policy I know about | Aug 18 07:14 |
| oiaohm | So far everything is also being staged managed. | Aug 18 07:15 |
| oiaohm | And poorly done. | Aug 18 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Instead of a debate there was what they called a open conciel meetting. | Aug 18 07:16 |
| oiaohm | You could tell the the people who were asking questions were just reading them. | Aug 18 07:16 |
| oiaohm | And did not really believe what they were saying. | Aug 18 07:16 |
| oiaohm | Basically if rest of world ends up with elections like ours this year we are doomed. | Aug 18 07:17 |
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| schestowitz | I'm going to _Goblin's soon | Aug 18 07:58 |
| schestowitz | So we need ops who are always online | Aug 18 07:58 |
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