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| oiaohm | http://blog.chromium.org/2010/08/security-improvements-and-registration.html Is this going starting to profit from plaforms. | Aug 22 01:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Their partnership makes possible specially enhanced chips that could help encrypt data faster to protect email privacy and help authenticate the identity of users before they boot up portable devices or tap into corporate networks, other industry executives said. " | Aug 22 06:23 |
| schestowitz | TC | Aug 22 06:23 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703791804575439932772433798.html?mod=googlenews_wsj | Aug 22 06:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel Looks to Protect More Than Computers - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 127.59 KB | Aug 22 06:23 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/there-oughta-be-a-law-against-shovelware-on-new-pcs | Aug 22 10:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ZDNet Government Archive: December, ther | ZDNet .::. Size~: 79.08 KB | Aug 22 10:44 |
| oiaohm | interesting | Aug 22 10:44 |
| oiaohm | zdnet calling for laws against the very thing that lets windows compeete. | Aug 22 10:44 |
| schestowitz | Fits my next post, thanks | Aug 22 10:50 |
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| gnufreex | .. | Aug 22 20:00 |
| _Goblin | ah | Aug 22 20:00 |
| _Goblin | ... | Aug 22 20:00 |
| gnufreex | I am thinkig about changing nick. gnufreex is somewhat stupid. I didn't realize that when I first used it. | Aug 22 20:01 |
| cubevector | is there also techrights-social? | Aug 22 20:01 |
| _Goblin | there done.. | Aug 22 20:04 |
| _Goblin | ok... hopefully people will start chatting here now | Aug 22 20:06 |
| _Goblin | I notice Diablo is not here yet...maybe they havent noticed yet. | Aug 22 20:07 |
| cubevector | he's already in techrights-social btw | Aug 22 20:07 |
| gnufreex | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10000290-16.html | Aug 22 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: FSF launches a denial-of-service attack on Apple's Genius Bars | The Open Road - CNET News .::. Size~: 132.35 KB | Aug 22 20:07 |
| gnufreex | I just got remainded what kind of ididot Mac Asay is | Aug 22 20:07 |
| _Goblin | I hope that we just have one channel....I think its simpler and we won't miss out on anything. | Aug 22 20:08 |
| cubevector | I don't read Asay's stuff | Aug 22 20:08 |
| gnufreex | This is old. DaemonFC throwed it as support for his trolling | Aug 22 20:08 |
| schestowitz | [20:07] <_Goblin> I notice Diablo is not here yet...maybe they havent noticed yet. | Aug 22 20:09 |
| schestowitz | We'll tell the rest later | Aug 22 20:09 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/irc-channel/ links to techrights now | Aug 22 20:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IRC Channels | Techrights .::. Size~: 75.32 KB | Aug 22 20:09 |
| schestowitz | updated | Aug 22 20:09 |
| _Goblin | excellent | Aug 22 20:11 |
| _Goblin | now the only prob I have is work out why I am having trouble with flash..... | Aug 22 20:12 |
| gnufreex | What flash? | Aug 22 20:12 |
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| gnufreex | Is there flash on Techrights? | Aug 22 20:13 |
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| schestowitz | Nope | Aug 22 20:14 |
| cubevector | you really don't have to use flash | Aug 22 20:14 |
| cubevector | it's mostly used for ads | Aug 22 20:15 |
| schestowitz | and spying | Aug 22 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Delete .macromedia | Aug 22 20:16 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] @thistleweb we're deprecating #boycottnovell at this moment and move things over to #techrights. Ryan is permbanned for cursing people | Aug 22 20:16 | |
| _Goblin | true... | Aug 22 20:17 |
| _Goblin | its more annoying than actually needing it. | Aug 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | I never liked the old name | Aug 22 20:17 |
| _Goblin | I just can't work out why its not playing nicely with me.. | Aug 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | A few months ago we had just ~10 people here | Aug 22 20:17 |
| _Goblin | what BN? | Aug 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | In this channel | Aug 22 20:17 |
| cubevector | I like techrights a million times better | Aug 22 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | Thanks guys | Aug 22 20:20 |
| gnufreex | FurnaceDude is not here. | Aug 22 20:21 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, I've just pinged him | Aug 22 20:21 |
| schestowitz | he's in -social | Aug 22 20:22 |
| gnufreex | Let's gues how much will take DeamenFuCker to find us. | Aug 22 20:23 |
| gnufreex | I say he will be hire in a hour. | Aug 22 20:23 |
| schestowitz | He knows it exists | Aug 22 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelinsider.com/c/a/Microsoft/VMware-Zimbra-Offers-Business-a-Microsoft-Exchange-Alternative-499467/ | Aug 22 20:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: VMware Zimbra Offers Business a Microsoft Exchange Alternative - Microsoft news from Channel Insider .::. Size~: 84.93 KB | Aug 22 20:25 |
| schestowitz | It seems like somewhat of a VMware captive | Aug 22 20:25 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] Channel #techrights at FreeNode is now the main discussion channel of #techrights ; those w/o an IRC client can use Web http://ur1.ca/17hna | Aug 22 20:26 | |
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| -BNi/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Channel #techrights at FreeNode is now the main discussion channel of !techrights ; those w/o an IRC client can use Web http://ur1.ca/17hna | Aug 22 20:28 | |
| -BNi/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Been a diehard Klibido user for years..shifted to LottaNZB...(been meaning to make the change for a while) !linux !foss !nzb !usenet | Aug 22 20:28 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: can I please use the sticker image? | Aug 22 20:28 |
| schestowitz | The photo you took, that is... | Aug 22 20:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | eh, what on earth do Klibido or LottaNZB do, anyway | Aug 22 20:29 |
| schestowitz | I have a post coming calling for more people to demand their Seven-fold refund for Vista | Aug 22 20:29 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: the guy who called you c* calls me Glenn again and uses the S word. "See, it's shit like this which causes me to use terms like "terminally stupid" to describe Glenn and his groupies." http://twitter.com/directhex/statuses/21821821850 | Aug 22 20:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / Jo Shields: See, it's shit like this w ... .::. Size~: 11.93 KB | Aug 22 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Nice people those Mono boosters... | Aug 22 20:30 |
| _Goblin | Who's Glenn? | Aug 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | .Beck | Aug 22 20:32 |
| schestowitz | The crazy Murdoch announcer | Aug 22 20:33 |
| _Goblin | Jo Shields is a foul mouthed simpleton.....and re: Mono there are more people worried about it than for it...If there are groupies, I suggest its the pro-Mono lot that deserve that title. | Aug 22 20:33 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HWKzobeya4 | Aug 22 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | He's a Palin booster | Aug 22 20:34 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 22 20:34 |
| _Goblin | cant play it...problem with flash | Aug 22 20:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | mercifully | Aug 22 20:34 |
| _Goblin | its really bugging me.....I just cannot work out whats wrong...Im loathed to ask for help.... | Aug 22 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Glorification of fallout: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/08/dear-sony-there-is-a-reason-your-multiplatform-games-suffer.ars | Aug 22 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: It only delays: the frustrations of Sony's PS3 firmware .::. Size~: 29.3 KB | Aug 22 20:35 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: new tagline for theFried | Aug 22 20:38 |
| schestowitz | "During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley." http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-20013074-56.html | Aug 22 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ford exec: Internet needs to rev up | Beyond Binary - CNET News .::. Size~: 80.98 KB | Aug 22 20:38 |
| schestowitz | Just casually entering there the "don't attack me personally" disclaimer | Aug 22 20:39 |
| schestowitz | or "do attack me and you'll self-nuke" | Aug 22 20:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/203053/nintendo_sells_30_million_wiis_in_us.html?tk=hp_new | Aug 22 20:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nintendo Sells 30 Million Wiis in US - PCWorld .::. Size~: 76.19 KB | Aug 22 20:40 |
| schestowitz | one in 10 people | Aug 22 20:40 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: yep - a dangerous game to disagree. | Aug 22 20:42 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] So LottaNZB does everything for me...parity chk, unpack and only d/l's .par files that are needed....great stuff.. !linux !usenet | Aug 22 20:43 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Ina has Costa Dee Dee MJ as a "yes man" in the comments | Aug 22 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Politically correct a must in "beyong binary" | Aug 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Which is also a Gates boosting blog now BTW | Aug 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | More on that tomorroqw | Aug 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | I reckon Microsoft compensates for this PR blog | Aug 22 20:44 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: da costa popped up on Openbytes today | Aug 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | re refund?> | Aug 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Oh wait. How did his Ubuntu 'experiment' go? Like ryan's? | Aug 22 20:45 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: defending Windows 7 and then pushing the buck to Acer for a refund... | Aug 22 20:45 |
| schestowitz | Now he's the man with the "I tried Linux but..." badge | Aug 22 20:45 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Yep, it was command line all the way for da costa and Ubuntu (allegedly) | Aug 22 20:45 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: of course you could let him loose on HAL and if it wasnt made by Microsoft he'd claim it inferior | Aug 22 20:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.televisionbroadcast.com/article/104902 | Aug 22 20:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TVB | Facebook Climbs to Third in Online Video Viewing .::. Size~: 63.63 KB | Aug 22 20:47 |
| _Goblin | ah...facebook...the one social networking tool I never really got into.... | Aug 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | "wasnt made by Microsoft" = "won't send me expensive gifts" | Aug 22 20:48 |
| _Goblin | yep | Aug 22 20:48 |
| _Goblin | or any gifts..... | Aug 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | People seem to hate facebook | Aug 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Esp. adults | Aug 22 20:48 |
| _Goblin | they love a freebie them MVP's | Aug 22 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Even those who got stuck in it | Aug 22 20:48 |
| _Goblin | I wonder what gifts De Icaza is getting? | Aug 22 20:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[qu1j0t3] Where can I get one of these jobs where I am paid to lie? #microsoft .. oh wait, I don't want one. #ThatsTheDifference | Aug 22 20:49 | |
| schestowitz | Thai Massage | Aug 22 20:49 |
| _Goblin | or a ticket on one of those alleged Microsoft orgie cruises. | Aug 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz | With Ina | Aug 22 20:49 |
| _Goblin | no comment | Aug 22 20:49 |
| _Goblin | :) | Aug 22 20:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2010/01/27/microsoft_offered_ladies/ | Aug 22 20:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft 'offered sex and drugs to distributors' • Channel Register .::. Size~: 20.18 KB | Aug 22 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I've met some trenchant twitter haters. here, even. | Aug 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I might be among them | Aug 22 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: lol | Aug 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I started with identica | Aug 22 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: except you DO use it. | Aug 22 20:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I am sure they hate identi.ca too. | Aug 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I resented the lack of people I could reply to | Aug 22 20:50 |
| _Goblin | Im so pleased I spend more time with Identi.ca now...its so much better. | Aug 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | I tried to get glyn to join identica | Aug 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Then he went on and on about "network effect" | Aug 22 20:50 |
| schestowitz | He only joined identica much, much later | Aug 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | identca has factions/group | Aug 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | ENtry barrier makes it more polite too | Aug 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft_wants | Aug 22 20:51 |
| schestowitz | "Microsoft_wants_to_gift is following you...." | Aug 22 20:52 |
| _Goblin | right.... | Aug 22 20:53 |
| _Goblin | Im going to swallow my pride and ask for help in the Sabayon channel. | Aug 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | "microsoft_zune_MVP: RT @FurnaceBoy Microsoft is the suc.... #nvpbugg #swag #ballmerluvsu" | Aug 22 20:54 |
| _Goblin | Zuuunnnneeee! | Aug 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | It's dying | Aug 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Article tomorrow... | Aug 22 20:54 |
| _Goblin | it was ever alive? | Aug 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | lxny | Aug 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Zune was alive... | Aug 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | For the police | Aug 22 20:54 |
| _Goblin | It will be regurgitated for Win Mob 7 | Aug 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | http://gizmodo.com/244276/zune-guerrilla-marketer-arrested-at-sxsw | Aug 22 20:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Zune Guerrilla Marketer Arrested at SXSW .::. Size~: 80.85 KB | Aug 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | See photo | Aug 22 20:54 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 22 20:55 |
| _Goblin | I thought you meant Police as in "Message in a bottle" | Aug 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Imagine the fun | Aug 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Of being a cop arresting mini-Dees | Aug 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | "You!! Hold it right ther! promooting garbage in SXSW? Put your head between your feet!" | Aug 22 20:56 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 22 20:56 |
| _Goblin | I think in the UK the Zune would fall under a Sec 5 Public order offense..."Causing Harrassment, Alarm or Distress" | Aug 22 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 22 20:57 |
| _Goblin | harrassment because you were bugged by MS PR to buy it. | Aug 22 20:57 |
| _Goblin | Alarm because it wasn't as good as other products on the market | Aug 22 20:57 |
| _Goblin | and distress because it was prone to crashing (as per the new years eve Zune blackout) | Aug 22 20:57 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=zune+greenpeace&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Aug 22 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: zune greenpeace - Google Search .::. Size~: 40.05 KB | Aug 22 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Ed Bought has started the latest PR piece: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/when-will-xp-finally-fade-away/2334 | Aug 22 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: When will XP finally fade away? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 144.09 KB | Aug 22 20:58 |
| _Goblin | Mind you I heard Crimestoppers are promoting the Zune as a crime prevention device.... | Aug 22 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Leading to waves among the other boosters | Aug 22 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Worth keeping an eye on... | Aug 22 20:58 |
| _Goblin | With a Zune sticking out of your back pocket there is no chance of being robbed or a victim of theft. | Aug 22 20:59 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yeah, well... Microsoft was promoting the KIN as an underage b00b thing | Aug 22 20:59 |
| schestowitz | When they aim for niches it means they can't sell | Aug 22 20:59 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: my crimestoppers/zune thing was a split gag....Im sure you realized... | Aug 22 21:00 |
| schestowitz | The thing about KIN is, being among the 503 who bought one makes you feel like such a young b00n | Aug 22 21:00 |
| schestowitz | *b00b | Aug 22 21:00 |
| _Goblin | lol..I wonder how many of those 503 were people getting it for free.. | Aug 22 21:00 |
| schestowitz | In Korea, only old people use KIN, they mistake it for dentures | Aug 22 21:00 |
| _Goblin | that f'kin phone. | Aug 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | KIN=ewaste | Aug 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | They try to send this to Africa | Aug 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | To bury with the toxins | Aug 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | The Somali pirates attacked the ship | Aug 22 21:01 |
| _Goblin | I personally think that when Ballmer goes all the unwanted Kins should be dumped on his front lawn | Aug 22 21:02 |
| schestowitz | They said, "we're willing to accept a lot of computer trash from the West in the Black COntinent? But KIN?? That's declaration of WAR." | Aug 22 21:02 |
| _Goblin | that would be a nice leaving present and more original than a watch or an engraved pen. | Aug 22 21:02 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: lol...wars have been fought for alot less. | Aug 22 21:02 |
| schestowitz | KIN is too light to be more useful than a rock | Aug 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | You couldn't sell cavemen a KIN | Aug 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | It's not handy for carving things and killing animals from a distance | Aug 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | It also makes funny noises | Aug 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | And emits radiation | Aug 22 21:03 |
| _Goblin | how about BP plug up their oil well with Kins? Since it appears Windows was around when things went wrong, maybe MS could make ammends? | Aug 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 22 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Imagine that | Aug 22 21:03 |
| _Goblin | I can! | Aug 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | A load of this plastic... not the spongy its | Aug 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | KIN's 15 minutes of fame | Aug 22 21:04 |
| _Goblin | 15 minutes of lame....it wasn't on the market much longer! | Aug 22 21:04 |
| _Goblin | Im going to dent my BP idea... | Aug 22 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Too late | Aug 22 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I beat you to it | Aug 22 21:05 |
| schestowitz | Before you mentioned it... I could not resist | Aug 22 21:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] Verizon is said to have returned the unsold KINs to Microsoft. They ought to have just attempted to plug BP's hole with them. | Aug 22 21:06 | |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 22 21:06 |
| _Goblin | fair play | Aug 22 21:06 |
| _Goblin | he who dares wins. | Aug 22 21:06 |
| _Goblin | I'll settle for a retweet. | Aug 22 21:07 |
| _Goblin | or a re-dent | Aug 22 21:07 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @schestowitz Verizon is said to have returned the unsold KINs to Microsoft. They ought to have just attempted to plug BP's hole with ... | Aug 22 21:08 | |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] When I come to think about it, even mother Earth would reject KIN. Here's a better resting place/cradle for #KIN . http://ur1.ca/17i1w | Aug 22 21:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: iPod Amnesty Bin | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 158.06 KB | Aug 22 21:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] "Microsoft's Kin Smartphones Could Eclipse Windows Phone 7" --Microsoft Nick ( http://ur1.ca/17i3b #pr #lies #badjournalism | Aug 22 21:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft's Kin Smartphones Could Eclipse Windows Phone 7 - Mobile and Wireless from eWeek .::. Size~: 102.87 KB | Aug 22 21:12 |
| _Goblin | lol | Aug 22 21:14 |
| _Goblin | well if Win Mob 7 sells less than 503 then it will... | Aug 22 21:14 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] kin.com is now a redirection. I was trying to find out how Microsoft describes the phone which sold just 503 units. http://ur1.ca/17i43 | Aug 22 21:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Internet Archive Wayback Machine .::. Size~: 10.09 KB | Aug 22 21:15 |
| _Goblin | although MS is giving away win mob to its employees so it will claim success on day one. | Aug 22 21:15 |
| _Goblin | amazing though that everyone else knew it would flop..... | Aug 22 21:15 |
| schestowitz | <a href="http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2010/08/16/daily85.html?jst=pn_pn_lk" title="HP confirms tablets coming soon"></a> | Aug 22 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HP confirms tablets coming soon - Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal .::. Size~: 72.17 KB | Aug 22 21:16 |
| _Goblin | months before the damn thing was ever released. | Aug 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yeah, I was gonna say it | Aug 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz | The big buyer of Vista Phone 7.... is Microsoft | Aug 22 21:16 |
| schestowitz | "We'll have 80,000!!" | Aug 22 21:17 |
| schestowitz | For cleaners and plumbers too" | Aug 22 21:17 |
| schestowitz | The latter can stick it in the arsecrack, although KIN was designed better for this | Aug 22 21:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9181158/Cameron_Diaz_tops_malware_bait_list?taxonomyId=17 | Aug 22 21:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cameron Diaz tops malware bait list - Computerworld .::. Size~: 78.63 KB | Aug 22 21:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS348278274520100820 | Aug 22 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cameron Diaz tops malware bait list| Reuters .::. Size~: 51.38 KB | Aug 22 21:19 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: as soon as first reports come in on alleged "sales" of Winmob 7, Im sure there will be plenty of article on how many they gave away for nothing.....it makes the Windows Mobile 7 failure even more expensive...mind you, in 100 years those 80,000 phones might be collectors items. | Aug 22 21:20 |
| _Goblin | as will the Kin. | Aug 22 21:20 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Did Floyd tolled more on Techrights? | Aug 22 21:20 |
| gnufreex | I can't find the tread | Aug 22 21:20 |
| gnufreex | thread* | Aug 22 21:20 |
| gnufreex | Forgot the name | Aug 22 21:21 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: http://techrights.org/2010/08/21/florian-blames-ibm-for-death/#comments | Aug 22 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Campaigner for Hire Blames IBM for Air Crash | Techrights .::. Size~: 140.43 KB | Aug 22 21:22 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Thanks. | Aug 22 21:22 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: one of Red Hat's chief legal people RTd it | Aug 22 21:22 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/47061325 | Aug 22 21:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Sunday, 22-Aug-10 20:05:20 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.15 KB | Aug 22 21:22 |
| schestowitz | So his colleague at RHT might have a laugh | Aug 22 21:22 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 22 21:23 |
| _Goblin | good effort! | Aug 22 21:23 |
| *Aondo_ is now known as Aondo | Aug 22 21:24 | |
| *schestowitz gets brew | Aug 22 21:28 | |
| gnufreex | Floyd got another response on IT world: | Aug 22 21:28 |
| gnufreex | >"[...] told members of the FOSS community that Oracle was going to be the best home for those Sun patents that could really hurt free and open source software if Microsoft ever acquired them (although Microsoft never made a bid for Sun)."< | Aug 22 21:28 |
| gnufreex | Nice spin there. Those who don't know what was state of affairs during Sun acquisition, might even believe you that Eben Moglen is brainless Microsoft-hater. | Aug 22 21:28 |
| gnufreex | However, truth is different. If Oracle acquisition failed, Sun would have been forced by investors to sell some assets and downsize in order to turn profits. Or maybe sell piece by piece to highest bidder until nothing is left. In case of auction, you will never know where Sun patents would end up. Some might even end up with patent trolls or Microsoft. So Moglen was right. Oracle was better choice than the alternative. And stil | Aug 22 21:28 |
| gnufreex | is. | Aug 22 21:28 |
| gnufreex | Btw, I think other anonymous was right. You are just a spinmeister. | Aug 22 21:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100822105727800 | Aug 22 21:28 |
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| gnufreex | http://www.itworld.com/comments/117730 | Aug 22 21:28 |
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| schestowitz | gnufreex: Floydian has another spin | Aug 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | He wants people to believe he wanted to save Java | Aug 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Utter lie | Aug 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | He just played for Monty | Aug 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Who paid him | Aug 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | And it was only about mysql | Aug 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Like having Oracle sell it | Aug 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | The revisionist version is that he wanted to 'save' Sun from Oracle | Aug 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Not MySQL, which was bought in 2008 | Aug 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | The heroic 'foss' patents Florian rides the white horse with his VIsta 7 laptop... supposedly to save Linux... from IBM :-) :-) | Aug 22 21:31 |
| gnufreex | Haha | Aug 22 21:32 |
| schestowitz | Let me dent it actually | Aug 22 21:32 |
| gnufreex | It is crazy that some people on lwn say 'he is fighting the good fight' | Aug 22 21:33 |
| gnufreex | Or something along those lines | Aug 22 21:33 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] #FreaksAndGeeks: #disturbing ly accurate. Why do parents tell geeky kids bullies are jealous? As Lindsey says:"It's stupid & won't help him" | Aug 22 21:33 | |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: What do you use for reporting/ | Aug 22 21:34 |
| gnufreex | ? | Aug 22 21:34 |
| gnufreex | I am thinking of seting up JasperReports, but it's fauxpen source | Aug 22 21:34 |
| gnufreex | I will investigate spago | Aug 22 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Core | Aug 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | fauxpen core | Aug 22 21:35 |
| gnufreex | I want to use reporting library to serve me news from various sources. I rulled out BIRT, it is crap and it is not GPL. | Aug 22 21:37 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] Florian the 'Foss' (LOL) patents guy is heroically fighting to save Linux... from IBM (LOL). @fosspatents you should try using #Linux 1 day | Aug 22 21:38 | |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] Apple Looks To Take Over X Server 1.9 http://ur1.ca/17i9q "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas." -Steve Jobs | Aug 22 21:40 | |
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| *balrog (~balrog@pool-108-2-80-200.phlapa.east.verizon.net) has joined #techrights | Aug 22 21:42 | |
| balrog | schestowitz: you around? | Aug 22 21:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[slashdot] Electronic Voting Researcher Arrested In India http://bit.ly/cp4HqE | Aug 22 21:43 | |
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| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 22 21:43 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Was #FreaksAndGeeks canceled in part b/c expensive music budget? Still, playing Cream's White Room while geeks are towel-beaten is genius. | Aug 22 21:43 | |
| balrog | I'm curious as to how you get the idea that apple wants to steal xorg-server-1.9 development ... I've been running the alpha/community versions for some time now and they do a stellar job keeping it up to date | Aug 22 21:43 |
| balrog | what they're probably going to be doing, though, is changing the default server shipped with OS X to 1.9.1 | Aug 22 21:44 |
| balrog | (currently if you want something that's not outdated, you have to install the community version that Huddleston puts out) | Aug 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz | See Webkit | Aug 22 21:44 |
| balrog | Webkit is different | Aug 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | And what happened to KHTMLTo a lesser extent CUPS | Aug 22 21:45 |
| balrog | Apple needed a web browser (they didn't have one) | Aug 22 21:45 |
| balrog | Apple doesn't need an X server | Aug 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | They could collaborate with KDE | Aug 22 21:45 |
| balrog | nearly all OSX software doesn't even though X | Aug 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | THey didn't | Aug 22 21:45 |
| schestowitz | They overrode their work | Aug 22 21:45 |
| balrog | they do collaborate with Xorg, though | Aug 22 21:45 |
| balrog | the repo for their branch of xorg-server is not seperate from the main branches | Aug 22 21:46 |
| schestowitz | For now | Aug 22 21:46 |
| balrog | they don't care about Xorg so much | Aug 22 21:46 |
| balrog | it's never going to be a core system component (as are webkit and cups) | Aug 22 21:46 |
| balrog | too many Mac users hate it and it doesn't integrate well | Aug 22 21:46 |
| balrog | it's just there for compatibility purposes | Aug 22 21:46 |
| gnufreex | I am scared what Apple will do with LLVM-Clang | Aug 22 21:47 |
| gnufreex | They are funding it to displace GCC | Aug 22 21:47 |
| balrog | gnufreex: s/Apple will do/anyone can do/g | Aug 22 21:47 |
| gnufreex | And then they will close it. | Aug 22 21:47 |
| balrog | about closing it? I doubt it | Aug 22 21:47 |
| balrog | implementing proprietary extensions? Of course, they're doing it already | Aug 22 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Why do you always defend Apple so much? | Aug 22 21:47 |
| balrog | Xcode 4 uses clang internally | Aug 22 21:47 |
| balrog | it's proprietary | Aug 22 21:48 |
| balrog | they could never do that with gcc | Aug 22 21:48 |
| gnufreex | balrog: Apple has closed source objective-C library. That is only reason why gobj-c sucks | Aug 22 21:48 |
| gnufreex | It works well with OSX | Aug 22 21:48 |
| gnufreex | With their runtime library | Aug 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | Apple exploits FOSS | Aug 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | X included | Aug 22 21:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | hey balrog fancy meeting you here | Aug 22 21:48 |
| schestowitz | It even brags about it | Aug 22 21:48 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[sjvn] RT @Malaprops: If you spend $50 + on http://www.malaprops.com, you receive a $5 gift card from us? It's TRUE! Me: I didn't. #Asheville | Aug 22 21:49 | |
| gnufreex | But we have to reverse engineer their ObjC libarary | Aug 22 21:49 |
| balrog | gnufreex: AFAIK it's not that much about closed source, but more about it being not very portable to non-Mach systems | Aug 22 21:49 |
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| schestowitz | Red Hat is the opposite | Aug 22 21:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: you are aware that apple did donate the objective-c front end to gcc, tho? | Aug 22 21:49 |
| gnufreex | Their ObjC library is closed | Aug 22 21:49 |
| gnufreex | I was always closed | Aug 22 21:49 |
| balrog | http://www.opensource.apple.com/source/objc4/objc4-437.1/ | Aug 22 21:49 |
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| balrog | not the whole thing, obviously | Aug 22 21:49 |
| MinceR | 224742 < schestowitz> Why do you always defend Apple so much? | Aug 22 21:49 |
| MinceR | that's what fanboys do | Aug 22 21:49 |
| balrog | if you're referring to the Objective-C library as all of Foundation, CoreFoundation, and everything else, then huge swaths ARE closed | Aug 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: customers | Aug 22 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | balrog: indeed. lamentably. | Aug 22 21:50 |
| gnufreex | Apple 'donated' objc compiler because Stallman told Jobs that he will sue him for GPL infringement | Aug 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | It's self reassurance | Aug 22 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | gnufreex: cite? | Aug 22 21:50 |
| MinceR | cultists | Aug 22 21:50 |
| schestowitz | "I bought a Mac, now I need to defend it" | Aug 22 21:50 |
| MinceR | same thing | Aug 22 21:50 |
| gnufreex | FurnaceBoy: What city? | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | balrog: it's the same Apple monstert that feeds MPEG-LArry Horn | Aug 22 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | not the French word. the English/Latin word. | Aug 22 21:51 |
| MinceR | buyer's remorse | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | "Come to us, to APple, we are SAFE" | Aug 22 21:51 |
| gnufreex | Consider GNU Objective C. NeXT initially wanted to make this front end proprietary; they proposed to release it as .o files, and let users link them with the rest of GCC, thinking this might be a way around the GPL's requirements. But our lawyer said that this would not evade the requirements, that it was not allowed. And so they made the Objective C front end free software. | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | IBM plays the same game | Aug 22 21:51 |
| MinceR | cognitive dissonance | Aug 22 21:51 |
| gnufreex | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/pragmatic.html | Aug 22 21:51 |
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| balrog | schestowitz: oh I don't defend everything apple does, but some statements I see are just somewhat absurd | Aug 22 21:51 |
| schestowitz | "We're safe, we paid for patents, come buy our super-expensive products that do the same" | Aug 22 21:52 |
| balrog | apple doesn't even have much of a use for xorg | Aug 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | exactly | Aug 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | ! | Aug 22 21:52 |
| balrog | clang, on the other hand? very useful | Aug 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Of course | Aug 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | It can kill gcc | Aug 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | apple doesn't even have much of a use for gccc | Aug 22 21:53 |
| balrog | I don't see them closing it though, but using it in non-gpl-approved ways? of course, and they're already doign it | Aug 22 21:53 |
| gnufreex | balrog: see above why ObjC front end is free software | Aug 22 21:53 |
| balrog | doign * | Aug 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I couldn't put it better myself :-) | Aug 22 21:53 |
| OsamaK | So Eben at debconf was saying that Microsoft is dieing because it does not produce software that runs everywhere. How realistic is this? | Aug 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Oracle doesn't even have much of a use for mysql | Aug 22 21:53 |
| gnufreex | balrog: Jobs released it because he would be sued. | Aug 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft doesn't even have much of a use for Java.. | Aug 22 21:53 |
| MinceR | if they had a clue, they'd have a lot of use for it | Aug 22 21:53 |
| MinceR | but they don't :> | Aug 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | And on and on it goes | Aug 22 21:53 |
| balrog | schestowitz: maintainership != ownership | Aug 22 21:53 |
| balrog | and the guy who maintains apple's branch is really good at what he does | Aug 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Apple is like the big gorilla taking care of a baby chimp | Aug 22 21:54 |
| balrog | (and there again, apple's branch has gone closer and closer to mainline recently) | Aug 22 21:54 |
| balrog | apple doesn't even need xorg | Aug 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | It can crush it if it wants | Aug 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | balrog: exactly | Aug 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | That's the problem | Aug 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Apple completes with Android | Aug 22 21:54 |
| balrog | sorry guys, I don't get it | Aug 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | What does Android use? | Aug 22 21:54 |
| balrog | android doesn't use xorg | Aug 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Apple also competes with GNU/Linux | Aug 22 21:55 |
| balrog | it uses its own GUI environment that google engineered | Aug 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't need Jobs&Gangster entryists in projects I use | Aug 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Apple will add to these project only what serves Apple | Aug 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | And Apple hardly even depends on those | Aug 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Apple is a gadget marketing company | Aug 22 21:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's not exactly a crime, now, is it. | Aug 22 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Android is a huge problem to them | Aug 22 21:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's expected that oss contributors do that | Aug 22 21:56 |
| schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20013263-37.html | Aug 22 21:56 |
| balrog | well, the other xorg developers will be working on 1.10 right? | Aug 22 21:56 |
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| balrog | and important fixes will get backported to 1.9, right? | Aug 22 21:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2010/08/16/daily30.html | Aug 22 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | "think about the children" | Aug 22 21:56 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 22 21:56 |
| balrog | no time for ad hominem attacks on apple, here | Aug 22 21:57 |
| balrog | the other hardware companies aren't that much better :( | Aug 22 21:57 |
| gnufreex | balrog: Apple is more anoying. | Aug 22 21:58 |
| gnufreex | balrog: And they have more fanboys. Without a brain. | Aug 22 21:58 |
| balrog | linux has its share of such fanboys, so does windows | Aug 22 21:58 |
| gnufreex | Not like Apple. Apple and BSD fanboys are worst kind. | Aug 22 21:59 |
| balrog | what about the issue of modifying BSDL code slightly and relicensing it as GPL? That's been cited to me by several people as a reason why they dislike GPL and moreso GPL-pushers | Aug 22 22:01 |
| gnufreex | If those guys don't like it, they should not release code under BSD license. They should use GPL instead, and then nobody can rip their license. | Aug 22 22:02 |
| gnufreex | Not even Apple | Aug 22 22:03 |
| schestowitz | balrog: Apple is not a homo (man) | Aug 22 22:03 |
| schestowitz | So it can't be ad hominem | Aug 22 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm talking about Apple's character... it's a group of people with Hubris | Aug 22 22:03 |
| balrog | that kind of character can be seen elsewhere too, including with some groups of Windows pushers, GPL pushers, and others | Aug 22 22:04 |
| balrog | and ad-hominem can refer to an attack on an entity | Aug 22 22:05 |
| schestowitz | That's a new defnition | Aug 22 22:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if one accepts corporate personhood :) | Aug 22 22:07 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad-hominem | Aug 22 22:07 |
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| schestowitz | "An ad hominem, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "to the man")," | Aug 22 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Putting aside the use of the word "homo" in the context of Apple, you realise Apple is no "man", right? | Aug 22 22:08 |
| balrog | "[Latin, To the person.] A term used in debate to denote an argument made personally against an opponent, instead of against the opponent's argument." -- West's Encyclopedia of American Law, edition 2. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc. All rights reserved. | Aug 22 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: also frequently overlooked is the 'argumentum' part. | Aug 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | It's a friggin logo | Aug 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | And people pushing money to hypnotise people around this logo | Aug 22 22:08 |
| schestowitz | While working kids in China till they sweat bullets before they grow public hair | Aug 22 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: co-worker once accused me of 'ad hominem' because I said Rush Limbaugh was ugly. Straight statement... there was no 'argumentum' :D | Aug 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | If cursing a logo is personal attack, then maybe call me blasphemous too | Aug 22 22:09 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[davidgerard] Wikimedia blog: Staring into the eye of Cthulhu. http://is.gd/exanO - why #wikipedia wikitext is SO HORRIBLE TO PROCESS. | Aug 22 22:09 | |
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| schestowitz | FOr dissing the Apple 'religion' | Aug 22 22:09 |
| balrog | FurnaceBoy: that's not ad hominem | Aug 22 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | balrog: of course it isn't. | Aug 22 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | balrog: a frequently lost subtlety. | Aug 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you could say he looked like a rhino | Aug 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | It's an objective observation | Aug 22 22:09 |
| schestowitz | :-) Rush Limbaugh is what comes out of the rhino if it eats too much | Aug 22 22:10 |
| schestowitz | http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/Novell-Now-Offers-SUSE-Linux-Enterprise-Server-10-and-11-on-Amazon-Web-Services-834239 | Aug 22 22:11 |
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| balrog | bleh all these "conservative" radio personalities make real conservatives just look bad | Aug 22 22:13 |
| balrog | ugh | Aug 22 22:13 |
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| FurnaceBoy | well has been poisoned beyond repair | Aug 22 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | there is no intelligent mainstream discourse in the USA | Aug 22 22:14 |
| *FurnaceBoy blames Murdoch | Aug 22 22:14 | |
| FurnaceBoy | it was his job to destroy it. | Aug 22 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | Mission, comme on dit, Accomplished. | Aug 22 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | well done, thou good and faithful servant. | Aug 22 22:15 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[thistleweb] @schestowitz if permbanned means permanently banned, then define permanent | Aug 22 22:16 | |
| schestowitz | Murdoch's ties with GOP are clearer now | Aug 22 22:17 |
| schestowitz | They always have been | Aug 22 22:17 |
| schestowitz | But the press shows it to more people | Aug 22 22:17 |
| balrog | the majority of the GOP is not great either :( | Aug 22 22:17 |
| schestowitz | 'Dem damn liberals!" | Aug 22 22:17 |
| balrog | not to say that the democrats are any better | Aug 22 22:17 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] @thistleweb when recognised, he's out | Aug 22 22:18 | |
| schestowitz | Murdoch is GOP | Aug 22 22:18 |
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| schestowitz | Great Ol' Pisser | Aug 22 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: his politics don't even matter | Aug 22 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm in the topic here it says to join the boycottnovell channels | Aug 22 22:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's in that clan that doesn't have politics. incl Gates, and apparently Arianna my favourite | Aug 22 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Arianna did it again | Aug 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Post coming soon | Aug 22 22:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-gates/better-farms-improved-liv_b_676873.html | Aug 22 22:20 |
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| schestowitz | Arianna: "Look at MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! The rich man writes in ma turf!" | Aug 22 22:20 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: maybe BNTwitter shoudl ger re named to TRTwitter ? | Aug 22 22:20 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I forgot to change that | Aug 22 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: TRtwitter | Aug 22 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you're right, basking in the Midas glow | Aug 22 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the God .. money.. and His High Priest | Aug 22 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So when was it decided to move the channel properly? | Aug 22 22:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | sebsebseb: damn it! i thought it was decided to do a half assed job! | Aug 22 22:22 |
| *FurnaceBoy always misses memos | Aug 22 22:22 | |
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| schestowitz | NExt time they start the names will be right, sebsebseb | Aug 22 22:22 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: tonight | Aug 22 22:23 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[rms/@rms] In the name of security http://ur1.ca/17ilf | Aug 22 22:23 | |
| sebsebseb | Why tonight? | Aug 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Ryan trolled | Aug 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | And ban-evaded | Aug 22 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Again | Aug 22 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Aug 22 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | so | Aug 22 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | he trolled how by the way? | Aug 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | We start afresh | Aug 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: anti-Ubuntu ravings | Aug 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | From his Vista 7 machine | Aug 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Then "gnutards" and stuff | Aug 22 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Anti-FSF messages | Aug 22 22:24 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[ruiseabra] RT @bkuhn When will my fellow USAmericans finally grok this simple analogy?: Al-Qaeda is to Islam as the Ku Klux Klan is to Christian Pr ... | Aug 22 22:25 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well I have done a little bit of Ubuntu is bad stuff in #boycottnovell myself before, like the other day for example, and yeah DeamonFC was doing it as well, and Thistleweb wasn't that happy about that | Aug 22 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah DeamonFC goes quite anti Ubuntu | Aug 22 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Aug 22 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | and if he mainly uses Windows, and still does it, then yeah I guess he is a troll really | Aug 22 22:26 |
| balrog | I use debian and ubuntu all the time, and manage a centos server | Aug 22 22:26 |
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| balrog | (debian moreso than ubuntu, mainly because ubuntu doesn't work on armv5tel) | Aug 22 22:27 |
| _Goblin | Why do some people fixate on Ubuntu? is it because it really is full of bugs/issues (I don't believe so) or is it because it currently is the mostly threatening distro to Windows? - just food for thought there. | Aug 22 22:27 |
| balrog | _Goblin: probably the latter | Aug 22 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | thats one thing, being a Linux user, who isn't that happy with Ubuntu at the moment, because of where it is heading, thats another being someone who mainly uses Windows, and says Ubuntu is bad loads | Aug 22 22:27 |
| balrog | also, some hate that ubuntu uses certain Mono-based packages | Aug 22 22:28 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] When will my fellow USAmericans finally grok this simple analogy?: Al-Qaeda is to Islam as the Ku Klux Klan is to Christian Protestantism. | Aug 22 22:28 | |
| _Goblin | Im not saying there are genuine people with issues about ubuntu, but it seems the Wintrolls always go for Ubuntu. | Aug 22 22:28 |
| gnufreex | <_Goblin> Why do some people fixate on Ubuntu? is it because it really is full of bugs/issues (I don't believe so) or is it because it currently is the mostly threatening distro to Windows? - just food for thought there. | Aug 22 22:28 |
| balrog | ahh that? | Aug 22 22:28 |
| balrog | biggest threat to windows | Aug 22 22:28 |
| balrog | that's why | Aug 22 22:28 |
| balrog | also gets all the press | Aug 22 22:28 |
| gnufreex | Well I don't like it becasue of community | Aug 22 22:29 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[nsisodiya] Can we correct English language now. Want to replace 'free-of-cost' with 'zerocost'. Do not use word 'free' for 'free of cost' use ZEROCOST | Aug 22 22:29 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: maybe some rules or kind of for the channel, I mean if going to start afresh as you say, without the channel being seen as a trollpit by quite a lot of people. Oh yeah I think I read something on the site about that actsaully how you have done so. | Aug 22 22:29 |
| gnufreex | And becasue of blobs | Aug 22 22:29 |
| balrog | gnufreex: please elaborate | Aug 22 22:29 |
| _Goblin | but is it not better for all the Linux newcommers go to one place? | Aug 22 22:29 |
| balrog | also blobs as in firmware or drivers? | Aug 22 22:29 |
| balrog | it puts up a big warning if you're trying to install a blob driver | Aug 22 22:29 |
| gnufreex | balrog: Ubuntu forums are full of Linsux.org shills | Aug 22 22:29 |
| gnufreex | balrog: They teach newcomers that GPL and FSF are bad | Aug 22 22:30 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz: even #openmoko sold much more than that! | Aug 22 22:30 | |
| balrog | gnufreex: I don't read the forums, I'm not the kind of person that loves forums | Aug 22 22:30 |
| balrog | but I've found useful stuff there | Aug 22 22:30 |
| balrog | GPL and FSF aren't bad, just like BSDL and Apache license aren't bad either ... all have their uses | Aug 22 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | So DeamonFC is apparently a troll, because he did anti Ubuntu stuff whilst mainly being a WIndows user? well theres a bit more to it then just that I guess | Aug 22 22:30 |
| gnufreex | balrog: And mods support that bashing | Aug 22 22:30 |
| balrog | gnufreex: ah | Aug 22 22:30 |
| balrog | see I don't read forums | Aug 22 22:30 |
| balrog | it's just me | Aug 22 22:30 |
| balrog | sebsebseb: I think it was more like bashing stuff without even trying/using it :( | Aug 22 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | balrog: oh | Aug 22 22:31 |
| gnufreex | balrog: I deleted my Launchpad and UF accounts | Aug 22 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: How come? | Aug 22 22:31 |
| _Goblin | I got a happy birthday message from the Ubuntu forums. | Aug 22 22:31 |
| schestowitz | balrog: yeah, I like your criticisms | Aug 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Oh is your birthday | Aug 22 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I know there's sincere | Aug 22 22:32 |
| _Goblin | nah....last week | Aug 22 22:32 |
| *sebsebseb isn't even a member on the Ubuntu forums, after using the distro since the second release in 2005 | Aug 22 22:32 | |
| balrog | schestowitz: FYI I don't try to defend Apple, I just want to be fair :) | Aug 22 22:32 |
| gnufreex | balrog: For UF, I asked mods. For launchpad, I did it myself. | Aug 22 22:32 |
| _Goblin | 14th august. | Aug 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | and now I can't exactly sign up and use it a bit, without looking like a newbie | Aug 22 22:32 |
| _Goblin | I did tweet it. | Aug 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I don't erally want an account on there anyway so :D | Aug 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | and IRC is enough for me really, if I am going to do Ubuntu support | Aug 22 22:32 |
| balrog | I've used all major platforms, and various different Linux distros | Aug 22 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Why did you get rid of your UF and Launchpad accounts? | Aug 22 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: So how long is Ryan banned for? | Aug 22 22:33 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] RT @nsisodiya Can we correct English language now.Want to replace 'free-of-cost' with 'zerocost'. Do not use word 'free' for 'free of cost' | Aug 22 22:34 | |
| gnufreex | balrog: Because I don't want to have anything to do with Ubuntu. | Aug 22 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: no look who asked that :) | Aug 22 22:34 |
| balrog | gnufreex: you're responding to sebsebseb I think | Aug 22 22:34 |
| balrog | I have no problem with the OS itself. it works great | Aug 22 22:34 |
| balrog | one of the best distros I've used | Aug 22 22:34 |
| balrog | forums can be a cesspool though | Aug 22 22:34 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] @ruiseabra and it's still around | Aug 22 22:35 | |
| balrog | launchpad -- I don't think I'd get rid of that | Aug 22 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | balrog: cesspoll in this context means? trolls? fan boys? | Aug 22 22:35 |
| balrog | bugtracker too useful | Aug 22 22:35 |
| balrog | sebsebseb: all kinds of people who don't contribute | Aug 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | when I got my lp and uf accounts UF were clean | Aug 22 22:35 |
| balrog | contribute meaning help others, etc | Aug 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Good people | Aug 22 22:35 |
| MinceR | 233208 < balrog> schestowitz: FYI I don't try to defend Apple, I just want to be fair :) | Aug 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC trolls UF too | Aug 22 22:35 |
| MinceR | exactly what i'd expect a crApple fanboy to say | Aug 22 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu as a distro is okish still, yes there are Gnome patches I don't like and such, but its all the fanboyism that gets me now, all the Ubuntu hype | Aug 22 22:35 |
| balrog | MinceR: we all know you are heavily anti-apple | Aug 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | He shut down his LP account | Aug 22 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | when really a lot of hte time for people, other distros are better | Aug 22 22:35 |
| MinceR | (and that's what they usually say) | Aug 22 22:35 |
| balrog | or you wouldn't use hater terms like crApple | Aug 22 22:36 |
| MinceR | balrog: and we all know you're a crApple fanboy | Aug 22 22:36 |
| balrog | MinceR: I'm using debian right now | Aug 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Not fanboi | Aug 22 22:36 |
| MinceR | "waaaah, hater terms" | Aug 22 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | and then the ignorance as a result of the amount of fanboyism, as a result, of the idea, that Ubuntu is the best distro to go to from Windows or Mac OS X | Aug 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Maybe apologist | Aug 22 22:36 |
| balrog | I don't support a lot of Apple's actions | Aug 22 22:36 |
| gnufreex | Trolling is inevitable. But mods support it on UF, and even they troll themselves. Also, main admin is Mac fanboy who doesn't use Ubuntu | Aug 22 22:36 |
| *MinceR calls the waaambulance for balr | Aug 22 22:36 | |
| sebsebseb | resulting in people going back to Windows or Mac OS X, when there hardware don't just work, instead of trying another distro first, and then doing so, if still a problem | Aug 22 22:36 |
| balrog | and some of the stuff they do either | Aug 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I try not to apologise for logos | Aug 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | And to refer to behaviours | Aug 22 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Why don't you like Ubuntu? | Aug 22 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: The mods troll on UF? | Aug 22 22:37 |
| balrog | their h.264 encoder is a piece of trash, and they use it to encode video that goes on the itunes store | Aug 22 22:37 |
| MinceR | and yes, the "i use linux but" is an ancient m$ apologist yarn | Aug 22 22:37 |
| balrog | there's the DRM too, but that's another thing | Aug 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: maybe the mod tolerate trolls | Aug 22 22:37 |
| balrog | MinceR: did I say "I use linux but.."? | Aug 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | UF let the anti-Linux crowd roam | Aug 22 22:37 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: Yes, mods are Microsoft apologists and Apple fanboys. In fact, not mods, just the Admin. | Aug 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | So they use that to smear me too | Aug 22 22:37 |
| MinceR | not with these exact words | Aug 22 22:37 |
| schestowitz | And then people can link to UF and say, "look, even Ubuntu says Roy is..." | Aug 22 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: some of the Ubuntu core IRC ops, aren't exactly nice people, from certain experiences with them, and stuff I have read from their publically logged ops channel | Aug 22 22:38 |
| MinceR | gnufreex: well, the COO is a crApple fanboy | Aug 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | I had a PAID Microsoft AstroTurfer do that | Aug 22 22:38 |
| balrog | I have a screen session open into my linux box | Aug 22 22:38 |
| balrog | all the time | Aug 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Linking to Linsuxxxxxxxxxx junk | Aug 22 22:38 |
| balrog | ssh+screen | Aug 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | But they posted in LF | Aug 22 22:38 |
| MinceR | and canonical has a vested interest in dicrediting TechRights now | Aug 22 22:38 |
| schestowitz | And mods left it there | Aug 22 22:38 |
| balrog | MinceR: cite plz | Aug 22 22:39 |
| MinceR | they're pushing mono | Aug 22 22:39 |
| schestowitz | So Wong-soft pretended it was Ubuntu | Aug 22 22:39 |
| MinceR | balrog: which one? | Aug 22 22:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin would tell you.. | Aug 22 22:39 |
| balrog | MinceR: what about them replacing f-spot with shotwell? | Aug 22 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: discredtiing techrights now? what do you mean exactly? | Aug 22 22:39 |
| balrog | is THAT "pushing mono"? | Aug 22 22:39 |
| MinceR | a red herring | Aug 22 22:39 |
| MinceR | balrog: then they bring in banshee | Aug 22 22:39 |
| MinceR | they're certainly more careful than novell | Aug 22 22:39 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: canonical runs UF. UF attacks TechRights. | Aug 22 22:40 |
| balrog | MinceR: if something bad happens, don't you think Canonical will act fast? | Aug 22 22:40 |
| balrog | MinceR: Canonical doesn't directly run UF | Aug 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Novell is careful too. It's full of care for Redmond | Aug 22 22:40 |
| MinceR | balrog: that depend on where in m$'s plan it happens | Aug 22 22:40 |
| balrog | and forums, when not managed correctly, can be cesspools, as I said earlier | Aug 22 22:40 |
| MinceR | balrog: canonical still has control over UF, do they not? | Aug 22 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: no the community runs UF as far as I know, just like the community runs Ubuntu IRC | Aug 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: No | Aug 22 22:40 |
| balrog | lack of sufficient staffing can cause that | Aug 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Linsu*** runs UF | Aug 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Canonical lets it be | Aug 22 22:40 |
| gnufreex | If you post link to techrights on Ubuntu forums, 10 linusxers are going to atack you in second and they will claim you are extremist or zealot | Aug 22 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Based on gnufreex | Aug 22 22:41 |
| balrog | schestowitz: has anyone complained to canonical? | Aug 22 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Who runs UF? | Aug 22 22:41 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: the "community" that's getting full of mono cultists | Aug 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | They let UF become another c.o.l.a. | Aug 22 22:41 |
| schestowitz | USENET has no moderation, but UF should | Aug 22 22:41 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: exactly, they let it be because it serves their interests | Aug 22 22:41 |
| MinceR | and they give their name for it | Aug 22 22:41 |
| balrog | let me repeat: has anyone complained to canonical? | Aug 22 22:41 |
| balrog | not to the mods, but to someone higher up | Aug 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | I think jono heard | Aug 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | But he plays buddies with people | Aug 22 22:42 |
| schestowitz | He's not ham-fisted | Aug 22 22:42 |
| gnufreex | balrog: Maybe it is Canonical oficial policy. I thought about sending mail to Suttleworth, but I think he won't listen | Aug 22 22:43 |
| gnufreex | I just have that feeling. | Aug 22 22:43 |
| balrog | gnufreex: is there a mailing list for this stuff? | Aug 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: well schestowitz 's articles on the site, its not really my kind of Linux article writing style, I mean what I can easilly read and understand properly, its probably like this for a lot of other people as well to be honest. I am not saying that the blog enteries are bad though, because they aren't, just got to get used to who they are are done, I remember how I talked to _Goblin in the past about this, and he told me | Aug 22 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | basically, that after a while he could understand like 70% of the blog enteries properly. | Aug 22 22:43 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[ruiseabra] @schestowitz: been posting dents from one ... | Aug 22 22:44 | |
| sebsebseb | how they are done, not who they are done, above | Aug 22 22:44 |
| schestowitz | claire Newman <claire.newman@canonical.com> | Aug 22 22:44 |
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| sebsebseb | gnufreex: so yeah for people who don't really understand the wording, a lot of those blog enteries, may seem a bit extreame | Aug 22 22:44 |
| _Goblin | sebsebseb: its all about learning....you can't know everything about everything....one you see the articles and the bigger picture it all fits into place. | Aug 22 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | for people who don't really understand the wording/context | Aug 22 22:44 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: The same dudes are linking to boycot-boycott novell. That is Lefty's crap. | Aug 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Lefty is that the | Aug 22 22:45 |
| _Goblin | that name won't mean as much now.... | Aug 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: is Lefty a developer? | Aug 22 22:45 |
| schestowitz | HAAHAHA | Aug 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | no I am thinking of someone on | Aug 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | omgubuntu that they go on about | Aug 22 22:45 |
| gnufreex | I don't know. I know he is a troll. | Aug 22 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | that has a L name as well | Aug 22 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Stonemirror? | Aug 22 22:46 |
| schestowitz | Heart of stone | Aug 22 22:46 |
| schestowitz | And mirror for the megalomania | Aug 22 22:46 |
| schestowitz | And he's no developer *LOL* | Aug 22 22:47 |
| schestowitz | LiMO and ACCESS are dead and he harmed his credibility more than he could possibly imagine | Aug 22 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: if you mention Mandriva in #ubuntu | Aug 22 22:47 |
| schestowitz | It's a good think he has a sex shop going as a fallback, safety net | Aug 22 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: as an alternative distro | Aug 22 22:48 |
| oiaohm | There are a few Lefty people. sebsebseb But there is only one normally taked about here is the shill Lefty. | Aug 22 22:48 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Mandriva has a hard time | Aug 22 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: a lot of people won't be happy | Aug 22 22:48 |
| schestowitz | I hear 2010.1 might not come | Aug 22 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uh thats the latest one | Aug 22 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | its been out a while now | Aug 22 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Aug 22 22:48 |
| oiaohm | There is a developer that goes by the name Lefty as well does work on KDE. | Aug 22 22:48 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: So... what Mandriva has to do with this? | Aug 22 22:48 |
| balrog | schestowitz: many people are upset that OpenSolaris is more-or-less dead | Aug 22 22:48 |
| oiaohm | No link to the shill | Aug 22 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Here is the latest: claire Newman <claire.newman@canonical.com> | Aug 22 22:48 |
| schestowitz | oops | Aug 22 22:48 |
| oiaohm | And never talks publicty. | Aug 22 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: oh I kind of went off the topic | Aug 22 22:49 |
| schestowitz | http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/08/21/mandrivas-future/ | Aug 22 22:49 |
| balrog | and of course, all the stuff oracle is doing with java | Aug 22 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: seems quite a lot of people in the Ubuntu community, want like everyone to think that, Ubuntu is the distro! | Aug 22 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Get what I mean,sure you do | Aug 22 22:49 |
| oiaohm | oracle might be right for the long term of java to have done what they have done. balrog | Aug 22 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | or as someone else would say, and these aren't my words, The One True Distro | Aug 22 22:49 |
| oiaohm | What google was doing to java was not right either. | Aug 22 22:49 |
| balrog | oiaohm: how so? | Aug 22 22:49 |
| balrog | they didn't use one bit of oracle code, did they? | Aug 22 22:49 |
| balrog | they completely rewrote the VM | Aug 22 22:50 |
| *sebsebseb is waiting for the 2nd of September | Aug 22 22:50 | |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: I get what you mean, but I don't like distros who try to make such culture... as ubunut is doing. They are shooting into their foot. | Aug 22 22:50 |
| balrog | or is it that you don't like Apache license? | Aug 22 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | or a bit before the 2nd of September | Aug 22 22:50 |
| balrog | what's supposed to take place then? | Aug 22 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | balrog: Ubuntu 10.10 Beta | Aug 22 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | balrog: that will give me a nice idea, if 10.10 will suck or not :D | Aug 22 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Problem is the copy right of the Java specs has a binding clause that prevents you from building something like Android. | Aug 22 22:51 |
| balrog | oiaohm: Google didn't use the Java code from Sun/Oracle | Aug 22 22:51 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: I can use any distro, all are same to me. But I won't support company like canonical or Novell. | Aug 22 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | balrog: so far it seems, that yes it will suck on the desktop, but be better on the netbook since Unity, which I haven't tried yet | Aug 22 22:51 |
| balrog | they created their own implementation which does a lot of things differently | Aug 22 22:51 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Yeah why not? | Aug 22 22:51 |
| oiaohm | Also x sun staff have worked on Google implementation. gnufreex | Aug 22 22:51 |
| balrog | oiaohm: cite | Aug 22 22:51 |
| oiaohm | That were bound by the Java spec agreement. | Aug 22 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | anyway if anyone is interested, check out Jono's latest ustream video | Aug 22 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | I asked some interesting questions there | Aug 22 22:52 |
| oiaohm | The lead of android is X sun. balrog | Aug 22 22:52 |
| balrog | is he also the lead of Dalvik? | Aug 22 22:52 |
| balrog | android has tons of non-java-related code | Aug 22 22:52 |
| oiaohm | At the moment yes. balrog | Aug 22 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Yes its a major stuff up. | Aug 22 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Even if Dalvik is a clean implementation other wise. That mistake is enough to taint it. | Aug 22 22:53 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Would someone protest building a Protestant church near a KKK lynching site in !NYC? If not, why are ppl protesting Mosque near Ground Zero? | Aug 22 22:53 | |
| -BNi/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] If you're a politician named "Richard Armey" and you promote policies that screw over the poor, why would you want to use nickname "Dick"? | Aug 22 22:53 | |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Don't want to support a company such as Canonical or Novell why exactly? | Aug 22 22:53 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: I won't support them because they are doing against free software | Aug 22 22:53 |
| gnufreex | Canonical is pishing Mono | Aug 22 22:53 |
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| sebsebseb | pishing? you meant to put pushing? | Aug 22 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | well quite a lot of distros have F-Spot in the default install for example | Aug 22 22:54 |
| gnufreex | Yes. Typo.They are leting linsux people advertise agaisnt their user base. | Aug 22 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: Canonical is a produt, this is only the start, Ubuntu is about making money for Canonical | Aug 22 22:54 |
| gnufreex | They are letting Mac fanboys be an admin | Aug 22 22:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[slashdot] Iran Unveils Its First UAV Bomber http://bit.ly/94euGU | Aug 22 22:55 | |
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| balrog | bbiab | Aug 22 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | and the way they want to make money is by Ubuntu going more main streame | Aug 22 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | and it seems more money making services will go into the distro, and I asked a question to Jono in his latest ustream, if 8 money makeing services would be to much, because then it would be like propritary software | Aug 22 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | and he wa like no, whats wrong with making money | Aug 22 22:55 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] Valve Brushes Off Steam For #Linux Rumors, Says It Ain’t Happening http://ur1.ca/17itd steamin' pile of Valve :-) | Aug 22 22:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Valve Brushes Off Steam For Linux Rumors, Says It Aint Happening [Valve Says They Aren't Currently Working On a Linux Version of Steam] » TFTS Technology, Gadgets & Curiosities .::. Size~: 33.57 KB | Aug 22 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | I guess making money is ok, depending on how its done, but the way Canoncial are trying to do it when it comes to consumers, really does suck, so far | Aug 22 22:56 |
| gnufreex | sebsebseb: So, if they let Linsux people demonize Ubuntu and free softwre, they will make more money of what? How they can make more money if shills turn their users against them? | Aug 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | shills? | Aug 22 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Also Oracle has to put down foot on subsetting java specs because vmware and salesforce are also up to the same thing balrog | Aug 22 22:56 |
| schestowitz | At Canonical? | Aug 22 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Inside a few years if nothing is done there might not be a real java standard anymore if nothing is done. | Aug 22 22:57 |
| schestowitz | I guess shills to Canonical is what they label #neckbeard | Aug 22 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: What do you mean exactly? | Aug 22 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Is there a relation between Canonical and OMG!Ubuntu! | Aug 22 22:58 |
| gnufreex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill | Aug 22 22:58 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: OMGUbuntu is unoffical | Aug 22 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: however | Aug 22 22:58 |
| gnufreex | I meant Microosft shills, or Apple shills. | Aug 22 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: HumphreyBC is now a community member and at the UDS meet Jono and such | Aug 22 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and someone asked a question in Jono's latest ustream, about the humprheybc incident as well, which has a good reply from Jono | Aug 22 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough sebsebseb anyone else using the Ubuntu name without approval has got there asses sued off by Canonical | Aug 22 22:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes OMGUbuntu gets left alone. | Aug 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 22 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Just nastygrams | Aug 22 22:59 |
| _Goblin | Whatever happened about Ubuntu Satanic Edition...was it merely a boycott from Distrowatch? | Aug 22 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what theres ubuntuguide.org thats unoffical | Aug 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: some Brit made it | Aug 22 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | OmgUubuntu is a fan boy and girl site, it woudn't make sense for Canonical to give it a hard time | Aug 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Canonical sent him a nastygram | Aug 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | He made noise about it | Aug 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Then jono played "good cop" | Aug 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | And they let it be | Aug 22 23:00 |
| schestowitz | Still ostracised | Aug 22 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | OMGUbuntu helps hype up Ubuntu, and Ubuntu hype = good thing for Canoncial | Aug 22 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | basicalley | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | +1 | Aug 22 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Distrowatch was requested to delist Satanic Edition | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | For Linux too, to an extent | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | They took an insult | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | "OMG Ubuntu!!! LOL" | Aug 22 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | :) I got a +1 from schestowitz | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Turned it into a respectable site name | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Reversal | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Or hijack of phrases | Aug 22 23:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes Canonical sent nastygrams to distrowatch about Satanic Edition as well. | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does this a lot | Aug 22 23:01 |
| schestowitz | "Plugfest", "shared source", "It was my idea"... | Aug 22 23:02 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: did they?? For shame | Aug 22 23:02 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yeah that +1 was at me, I assume | Aug 22 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: good news for you maybe, DeamonFC has been banned from the channel, for Ubuntu trolling, from his Windows computer | Aug 22 23:03 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Watching the IT Crowd..Moss finds out a bomb disposal robot is running off Vista and says: "Aaahh we are all going to die" - Great stuff. | Aug 22 23:03 | |
| gnufreex | From hiw WC | Aug 22 23:03 |
| gnufreex | from his WC | Aug 22 23:03 |
| gnufreex | Windows Computer | Aug 22 23:03 |
| ThistleWeb | you'll forgive me if I don't hold my breathe | Aug 22 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: uhmm? | Aug 22 23:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I mean I fully expect to see him here in a few days, business as usualt | Aug 22 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ^ | Aug 22 23:05 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] @jonobacon is it true that Canonical sent a nastygram to distrowatch asking it to remove Satanic Edition? #ubuntu | Aug 22 23:06 | |
| ThistleWeb | I've manually joined here tonight, I've not decided whether to add it to the autojoin list | Aug 22 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Anyway so you were saying OMGUbuntu is good for Linux to an extent as well? well yeah I guess so, it will hep with new users a bit, and some will move on to other distros, but certain things they cover will be for other distros as well, and not just Ubuntu | Aug 22 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Aug 22 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Earlier we talked about Ubuntu Forums (UF) | Aug 22 23:06 |
| schestowitz | And how it got hijacked -- like C.O.L.A. -- by anti-Linux people | Aug 22 23:06 |
| schestowitz | We need to be careful of it happening here | Aug 22 23:06 |
| schestowitz | We banned the Lins*** people many times here last year | Aug 22 23:07 |
| schestowitz | They came in large group to the channels and infiltrated with anti-Linux fodder | Aug 22 23:07 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: problem is... | Aug 22 23:07 |
| schestowitz | OMG!Ubuntu! takes Linux stuff and labels it "Ubuntu" | Aug 22 23:08 |
| schestowitz | This annoys many people | Aug 22 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Same with GNOME | Aug 22 23:08 |
| schestowitz | xchat as a "Ubuntu program" for example | Aug 22 23:08 |
| oiaohm | GNOME is very split internally. | Aug 22 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: well this is meant to be a sort of new start by the sounds of it, I guess this channel will be people expressing their opinoins and such though like before. This is tech stuff we aren't all going to agree with each other about everything. | Aug 22 23:08 |
| oiaohm | All around the mono issue. | Aug 22 23:08 |
| ThistleWeb | we'll see | Aug 22 23:08 |
| schestowitz | It reinforces the notion that only Ubuntu counts as a Linux for desktop | Aug 22 23:08 |
| schestowitz | You google '<program>' and then think it requires Ubuntu | Aug 22 23:09 |
| oiaohm | There are also some in the Open Soruce world who do more harm than good. | Aug 22 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and as far as I know techrights, is meant to be about discussing opensource/freesoftware issues and such, be that, Mono, software patents, or what, company name goes here, is doing. | Aug 22 23:11 |
| oiaohm | Take the lead of pulseaudio. Has demard Wine provide a driver for pulseaudio instead of working with wine to fixup there alsa layer. | Aug 22 23:11 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Who does more harm that good? | Aug 22 23:11 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: That is line which Linsuxers are using to alienate so called fanboys. | Aug 22 23:12 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Only problem is that their definition of fanboy is very wide | Aug 22 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and yeah DeamonFC and people like that, do say certain things that are a bit extrame, that some of us aren't that keen on, to be honest, but looks like people like that are more likely to be banned now. | Aug 22 23:12 |
| gnufreex | It inclues everyone who doesn't outright hate everything Free softwre | Aug 22 23:12 |
| oiaohm | The problem is some people are not effective team players gnufreex | Aug 22 23:12 |
| balrog | I strongly support the practice of banning people for some time and then lifting the ban | Aug 22 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Kon with the BFS sheduler is like that aa well. | Aug 22 23:13 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: this is a case of "we'll see", but as I said, I expect he'll be back doing his thang in no time | Aug 22 23:13 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Wine 1.3.1 released! http://www.winehq.org/news/ !linux !foss | Aug 22 23:13 | |
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| balrog | and only perma-banning if they keep breaking rules | Aug 22 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | on the subject of rules, should be more clear, a link in the topic, for example | Aug 22 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Thing is the ones that do harm normally eventionally get pushed to the side. In the open source world. Places like linuxsux don't want to cover that. | Aug 22 23:14 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Kon Colivas' problem is not that he is not team player. Problem is that he plays on different team. mingo plays for servers (as mayority of devs) while Con played for desktop. | Aug 22 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | I read an aritcle on zdnet the other day/night about how Ubuntu wasn't really for someone, but could be | Aug 22 23:15 |
| _Goblin | lol....this is good.... | Aug 22 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | and it had a right troll | Aug 22 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | in the comments | Aug 22 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | loads of comments, because of this troll, not read them all as a result | Aug 22 23:15 |
| _Goblin | Tweet from the MVP program: "Thank you MVPs for all you do in the community!" | Aug 22 23:15 |
| _Goblin | to which Andre Da Costa replies: | Aug 22 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | may go back to that, anyway some of hte ignorance and such, make the troll comments or parts of them, quite funny in a way | Aug 22 23:15 |
| _Goblin | "You are welcome, it comes natural :)" | Aug 22 23:16 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: yet the Linux kernel lead sheduler maker wanted to focus on fixing up the locking mess to get a true measure of what was going on. | Aug 22 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | made the, above. Anyway thats part of opensource/freesoftware as well, trolls! | Aug 22 23:16 |
| _Goblin | It certainly does Andre, It certainly does. | Aug 22 23:16 |
| oiaohm | So did the rest of the core team gnufreex | Aug 22 23:16 |
| oiaohm | The big dispute broke out over if the problem was sheduler alone. gnufreex. Before changing sheduler again a lot wanted to know. | Aug 22 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: how did you find out about #boycottnovell by the way? I found out since some guy had been to it, and something about trolls in the channel basically, and I join, and it was alright :) | Aug 22 23:17 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @bkuhn I agree, but I think the really issue here is that neither Al-Qaeda nor anyone else has been proven to attack the US on 9/11. | Aug 22 23:18 | |
| ThistleWeb | I cant remember but I did read the blog for ages before I thought to check out the irc | Aug 22 23:18 |
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| oiaohm | Currently there are 3 other competitioners to BFS for the new sheduler. Difference is the three competitors scale from hard-realtime threw to full blown server operations without any sign of issues. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and before going to the channel, I had read some stuff on boycottnovell site I guess, since Linux Today | Aug 22 23:18 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: remeber the 2 ops who took exception to the number of mint users claim? | Aug 22 23:19 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: I don't get what you are saying... I am not exactly 100% up to date on that topic. | Aug 22 23:19 |
| oiaohm | None of them could complete for a place in the mainline kernel when BFS first was pushed due to BKL mess. gnufreex They were around the complete time in Real-time sub trees. | Aug 22 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: uh what are you refering to? | Aug 22 23:20 |
| ThistleWeb | the way I look at "many" users, is you can rule out those who come in for a one off to get help with an issue, I'm talking about the regulars in the mint channel | Aug 22 23:20 |
| ThistleWeb | and how many of them run mint as their main os | Aug 22 23:20 |
| oiaohm | Ie there was a reason why scheduler lead was focusing on fixing up the BKL. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:20 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Do you have link to some articles about those schedulers. I know about CFS, BFS, and one other that I forgot the name. | Aug 22 23:20 |
| ThistleWeb | about maybe 30 regulars in those channels, with maybe 20 on at once | Aug 22 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: uhmm lets take #ubuntu always a lot of people in there, but most never type in there, and most probably aren't really Ubuntu users | Aug 22 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: they use other distros, or just keep an eye on Ubuntu at times, thinking about maybe useing it | Aug 22 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I guess | Aug 22 23:21 |
| ThistleWeb | the 2 ops who took exception, niether run mint as their main OS | Aug 22 23:21 |
| ThistleWeb | one uses arch, one uses bsd | Aug 22 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: are you on about something I aid in the Mint channel? | Aug 22 23:21 |
| ThistleWeb | yes | Aug 22 23:21 |
| ThistleWeb | as I said, I'm one of the few regulars in the mint channel who actually runs mint as their main os | Aug 22 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: one of the ops, didn't seem that nice at all, but hey I am used to that kind of thing, since #ubuntu | Aug 22 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Who, clem? | Aug 22 23:22 |
| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/398470/ is the modern rework of one from the real-time side. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:22 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: no | Aug 22 23:22 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/46705829#notice-47071258 " I'm sure someone has probably complained about FreeBSD to distrowatch too (their creepy devil mascot)....." | Aug 22 23:22 |
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| ThistleWeb | the ops are cool, but as I said, they stay very quiet on the whole main OS thing because they dont run mint | Aug 22 23:23 |
| schestowitz | One contributor died recently | Aug 22 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: no, no, clem is a developer, and working on the Debian based version of MInt, clem seemed fine | Aug 22 23:23 |
| ThistleWeb | yep | Aug 22 23:23 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @osamak, I agree we can never confirm affiliations of dead suicide bombers, of course,but AFAIK Al-Qaeda leadership did actively take credit | Aug 22 23:23 | |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: That was one that I forgot the name. Thanks | Aug 22 23:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I did notice both justin and suhana taking issue with your claim, which is my claim | Aug 22 23:23 |
| ThistleWeb | suhana uses bsd | Aug 22 23:23 |
| ThistleWeb | she has VMs of mint | Aug 22 23:23 |
| ThistleWeb | but she uses bsd | Aug 22 23:24 |
| balrog | ThistleWeb: what's wrong with using bsd....? | Aug 22 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | justin uses arch, and has vms of mint | Aug 22 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I can't remember what I said exactly | Aug 22 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: well I do have logs, but remind me/ | Aug 22 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | balrog: nothing, but these are mint channel ops | Aug 22 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | regulars in the mint channel, and most of them run other OS's not mint | Aug 22 23:24 |
| ThistleWeb | the concept of dogfooding is not strong there | Aug 22 23:24 |
| balrog | ThistleWeb: VMs make it easy to develop | Aug 22 23:24 |
| balrog | if something breaks, you can easily go back | Aug 22 23:25 |
| balrog | and stuff | Aug 22 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | yet they dont like it being pointed out | Aug 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: dogfooding, you mean using a product you support? | Aug 22 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | yes | Aug 22 23:25 |
| balrog | I'd do that if I was developing an OS | Aug 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I like that about Mint, it did suprise me though | Aug 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | however yeah I don't really want to use Ubuntu anymore personalley | Aug 22 23:25 |
| oiaohm | Time of BFS push gnufreex the old name for the same class of thing was AQuoSA | Aug 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if they improve it enough again | Aug 22 23:25 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd be cool if they were upfront, but the way they jumped on you for a claim that's very ture showed me otherwise | Aug 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | yeah "if" | Aug 22 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | I expect I might get pretty active in #ubuntu again | Aug 22 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | in the mean time, well I got a life to try and sort out a bit, and helping out a lot in #ubuntu doesn't help with that anyway | Aug 22 23:26 |
| ThistleWeb | I didnt see at any time suhana mention she runs bsd, while being holier than thou in mints defense | Aug 22 23:26 |
| ThistleWeb | justin only mentioned he runs arch after some provoking | Aug 22 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Suhana didn't seem that nice to me, but I guess thats since she is one of these pretty smart people and uh | Aug 22 23:26 |
| ThistleWeb | she is VERY smart, and she's fine too | Aug 22 23:27 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: But what is third competitor to BFS? IRMOS, CFS.... you said there is three. | Aug 22 23:27 |
| ThistleWeb | as I said, it's a dirty little secret they'd rather not mention | Aug 22 23:27 |
| oiaohm | I am not counting gnufreex | Aug 22 23:27 |
| oiaohm | opps | Aug 22 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and personalley I don't get on that well with ceratin girls/women, theres like a particular type, but I am not sure the name of it | Aug 22 23:27 |
| oiaohm | CFS gnufreex | Aug 22 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I mean online when I say that | Aug 22 23:28 |
| oiaohm | There are 3 in the real-time trees that BFS has not gone head to head with yet. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:28 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Book documents Bush forces atrocity http://ur1.ca/17izc | Aug 22 23:28 | |
| oiaohm | That have always been there. | Aug 22 23:28 |
| ThistleWeb | the ops are fine for the most part, justin and suhana are great, I just got a tad annoyed at them trying to present an image that's not true | Aug 22 23:28 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Got it. | Aug 22 23:28 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I like boycottnovell/techrights, can express opinions, they might be quite wrong at times, but probably won't get challenged for it | Aug 22 23:29 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: where as with Mint channels, say the wrong type of stuff, and it seems, going to have some sort of issue | Aug 22 23:29 |
| oiaohm | Heck IRMOS is not really that new. Its really interfacing ontop of Linux kernel 2 already existing mainline realtime systems. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | they go very quiet at the whole "whats your main OS" because they know most of them arent running mint and it wouldnt look good to have mostly arch users | Aug 22 23:29 |
| oiaohm | That were in the kernel at the time of BFS but basically usless due to BKL. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:29 |
| ThistleWeb | they have a family language policy | Aug 22 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: oh right thats what I asked, ah yes | Aug 22 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: or something like that | Aug 22 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: family langauge policy? | Aug 22 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | no swearing | Aug 22 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: right well, I didn't swear there :) | Aug 22 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | also Ubuntu channels have that | Aug 22 23:30 |
| sebsebseb | have that, offical channels | Aug 22 23:30 |
| ThistleWeb | at times you did come across as trolling btw | Aug 22 23:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie stuff was already in the kernel that should have kicked CFS and BFS ass. But due to issues with locking counld not gnufreex. People forget the scheduler lead was not only in charge of CFS but also in charage of the in kernel realtime support. | Aug 22 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | heh well so did I at times, when I started with boycottnovell IRC :D | Aug 22 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | depends on the channel | Aug 22 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | what opions can express, without people getting all stupid about it | Aug 22 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | and what was said | Aug 22 23:31 |
| ThistleWeb | more and more it feels that people are there to hang out with freinds they made while using mint, but have switched distros now | Aug 22 23:31 |
| sebsebseb | has been seen as a bit of a troll by #ubuntu ops, but also omgubuntu IRC people, ah well | Aug 22 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | in the past I mean | Aug 22 23:32 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: BKL is dead in .36 ? | Aug 22 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: thing with online is | Aug 22 23:32 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: last piece removed? | Aug 22 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: most of us don't really know who we are talking to | Aug 22 23:32 |
| sebsebseb | and so you won't know if someone has | Aug 22 23:32 |
| oiaohm | BKL has been broken down. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Completely in .36 | Aug 22 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | slight Aspergers Syndrome for example, which is the case for me, also this is something that people who don't really have it, wil use as an excuse if in trouble with ops and uh | Aug 22 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | compared to fedora it's pathetic, fedora have always been strong in dogfooding | Aug 22 23:33 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @bkuhn AFAICR, Bin Ladn said "we will do something similar to 9/11" (which they can never do!), but I don't think he has ever admitted it. | Aug 22 23:33 | |
| -BNi/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] !identica: DB_DataObject Error: Connect failed, turn on debugging to 5 see why. (cc: @support) | Aug 22 23:33 | |
| oiaohm | But there are now segments with locks where the locks have to be looked at to see if they can be removed completely. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:33 |
| oiaohm | Every lock is a issue to running a real-time system. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:33 |
| ThistleWeb | but anyway, just thought I'd mention how you were rickrolled in there by non-mint users | Aug 22 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | can make great online friends, when its just text | Aug 22 23:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but can also well not get on with people | Aug 22 23:34 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: what do you mean rickrolled? | Aug 22 23:34 |
| oiaohm | Basically BKL removal is the first in a list of operations to prep Linux for hard real-time support. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:34 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: There are goint to be some driver rewrites, since some drivers are dependent on some locks. | Aug 22 23:34 |
| ThistleWeb | they managed to leave you thinking they'd answered | Aug 22 23:35 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] GNU/Linux Gaming on Triple-Head: 0 A.D Video http://ur1.ca/17j1b Nice demonstration for #GNU #Linux gamers #0ad | Aug 22 23:35 | |
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| oiaohm | Where able. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Some locks in drivers will never be removalable. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:35 |
| ThistleWeb | anyhoo, moving on | Aug 22 23:35 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: anyway I have slight learning difficulties, ceratin words I don't understand the meaing of as a result. This also means that it would be pretty stupid if I was going to start trying to have a debate, with smart BSD and what not type of people. Since I would lose quite easilley. Not much point arguing/debating properly with people who are probably smarter than me.. | Aug 22 23:35 |
| oiaohm | Basically after 2.6.36 we enter stage 2 of the lock clean up process. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:35 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: as for Mint channels, I would have been back there already, its just | Aug 22 23:36 |
| ThistleWeb | suhana is very smart, she knows an incredible amount of stuff | Aug 22 23:36 |
| oiaohm | Lot simpler process because the locks are issolated to per driver/subsystem. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:36 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I don't really want to be doing any Linux distro IRC tech support at the moment | Aug 22 23:36 |
| oiaohm | So hopefully should complete inside next 2 to 3 releases. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:36 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: oh I sure I could hang out in the chat channel, and try and get to know people from the community a bit | Aug 22 23:37 |
| oiaohm | Then we will see real-time start really pushing to mainline there shedulers. And alot of them will closed the door for BFS for ever. gnufreex | Aug 22 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | I doubt I'm gonna be autojoining the mint channels for much longer | Aug 22 23:37 |
| sebsebseb | Oh how come? | Aug 22 23:37 |
| ThistleWeb | I suppose I could hang around as the token mint user huh? | Aug 22 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I like how Mint is a first stepping stone distro for many people, if only Ubuntu was like that :D | Aug 22 23:38 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @bkuhn Would someone protest building a Protestant church near a KKK lynching site in !NYC? If not, why are ppl protesting Mosque ... | Aug 22 23:38 | |
| sebsebseb | What do you mean the token Mint user? | Aug 22 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the only regular who uses mint | Aug 22 23:38 |
| ThistleWeb | I dont think I'm the only one, but I'm a minority | Aug 22 23:38 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah your on quite a noob distro :D, but I am not going to insult you for it :) don't take this all seriously/offensive I am just saying | Aug 22 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Ubuntu was seen as a major noobs distro | Aug 22 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | and still is | Aug 22 23:39 |
| ThistleWeb | I know | Aug 22 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | and I used it rather happiley, second release in 2005 to 9.04 | Aug 22 23:39 |
| oiaohm | Heck gnufreex some of the real-time guys are pushing now and are working on upgrading there shedulers like IRMOS to support general and hard-realtime one sheduler. | Aug 22 23:39 |
| sebsebseb | well something really did get at me in 9.04, and then it went uh after that | Aug 22 23:39 |
| *sebsebseb likes helping noobs with Desktop Linux, would help if it was with a version of a distro that I like quite a lot, sadly this is no longer the case for Ubuntu | Aug 22 23:40 | |
| *sebsebseb is hopeing that Ubuntu using Gnome 3 will make Ubuntu properly good again | Aug 22 23:40 | |
| sebsebseb | or maybe that distro should just hopefuly die soon, so some other distro can become number one instead, such as maybe Fedora, or maybe the Mint version they are working on that will be based on Debian. | Aug 22 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | after all according to oiaohm distro deaths are good, and I think I am starting to see that now as well | Aug 22 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I hope the next version of Mint has a nice theme, and I know I can change them, but I like good defaults :) | Aug 22 23:43 |
| sebsebseb | the Mint theme is to green for my likeing | Aug 22 23:43 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @osamak,there're sources that indicate Al-Qaeda took public credit for 2001-09-11 attacks,but it's true Bin Laden himself didn't take credit | Aug 22 23:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://tinyogg.com/watch/gFlZW/ | Aug 22 23:43 |
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| *sebsebseb waits for 2011, Gnome 3 and such, Desktop Linux is a bit sucky at the moment really! | Aug 22 23:44 | |
| sebsebseb | hrm I typed all that ^ and no one replied to it, ah well | Aug 22 23:46 |
| _Goblin | sorry mate...I was doing something else | Aug 22 23:47 |
| _Goblin | just noticed | Aug 22 23:47 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @osamak, but anyway, the bigger & #disturbing problem we've here in USA is that far too many ppl associate Islam w/ terrorism irrationally. | Aug 22 23:48 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: So will you still be using Mint soon? | Aug 22 23:49 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I'm perfectly happy with mint | Aug 22 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: If you like it, sure carry on using it, so what if your the only regular in the channel who actsualley uses it a lot | Aug 22 23:49 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm just increasingly out of sync with the mint channels | Aug 22 23:49 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: actsauly if you were locked into Mint, I mean like only distro you had tried, I would be like try Mandriva or PC Linux OS or something, but I assume you have already tried others | Aug 22 23:50 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: out of sync, as in not really following whats going on there? | Aug 22 23:50 |
| ThistleWeb | I feel more and more the odd one out there, thats all | Aug 22 23:52 |
| -BNtwitter/#techrights-[schestowitz] Links 22/8/2010: #Valve Disappoints, More Tablets With #Android http://techrights.org/2010/08/22/tablets-with-android/ #techrights | Aug 22 23:52 | |
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| sebsebseb | TechrightsBot-tr: so would I be, if I become a regular helper in #ubuntu again | Aug 22 23:52 |
| sebsebseb | TechrightsBot-tr: since I would be like the only one I guess, who wasn't useing Ubuntu or Debian, or a distro based on it | Aug 22 23:52 |
| -BNi/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 22/8/2010: #Valve Disappoints, More Tablets With #Android http://techrights.org/2010/08/22/tablets-with-android/ !techrights | Aug 22 23:53 | |
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| sebsebseb | I think Mandrifa for me for now, and maybe Fedora next year. | Aug 22 23:53 |
| _Goblin | Sabayon...its great! | Aug 22 23:53 |
| sebsebseb | TechrightsBot-tr: I like using something that isn't that popualr | Aug 22 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | Fedora like Ubuntu | Aug 22 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | gets hyped up I guess to an extent | Aug 22 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: the black theme puts me off | Aug 22 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | the PC Linux OS theme, puts me off that distro as well | Aug 22 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | yes I can change a theme, but for me the theme is the look of the distro, the real proper true look | Aug 22 23:54 |
| sebsebseb | and yes looks matter for people like me | Aug 22 23:54 |
| _Goblin | fair enough | Aug 22 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I am glad that they are sorting out the window borders in Ubuntu 10.10 | Aug 22 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | putting back a square for maximize and the line for minimize, by default | Aug 22 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | they had up and down arrows instead for those in 10.04 | Aug 22 23:55 |
| sebsebseb | the window borders in 10.04 I found really ugly, with both of their new theems | Aug 22 23:56 |
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| sebsebseb | lets do a little subject change, are Canonical bad for open source? schestowitz and oiaohm and such? apparently they have an open source section, or maybe thats just the one Sun had | Aug 22 23:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well I guess patent stuff, and the sueing Google, makes Oracle seem hrm at the moment | Aug 22 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | and the death of OpenSolaris of course | Aug 22 23:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that doesn't nessariley mean that they are really bad for opensource/freesoftware | Aug 22 23:59 |
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