Join us now at the IRC channel.
| *Diablo-D3 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) | Sep 01 02:43 | |
| *hazzy (44293b14@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.41.59.20) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 02:47 | |
| hazzy | Here's an interesting article that I found linked from the Slashdot comments: http://martin.iturbide.com/?page_id=114 | Sep 01 02:48 |
|---|---|---|
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Open Source Strategy is Upside Down. | Martin Iturbide .::. Size~: 35.32 KB | Sep 01 02:48 |
| *hazzy has quit (Quit: Page closed) | Sep 01 03:01 | |
| *jono has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Sep 01 07:16 | |
| *oiaohm (~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 07:28 | |
| *jono (~jono@c-67-164-33-64.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 07:34 | |
| *jono has quit (Changing host) | Sep 01 07:34 | |
| *jono (~jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 07:34 | |
| *jono has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Sep 01 08:04 | |
| *Python132O has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) | Sep 01 10:05 | |
| *Python1320 (Python1320@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe32dc00-184.dhcp.inet.fi) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 10:11 | |
| *Python1320 has quit (Changing host) | Sep 01 10:11 | |
| *Python1320 (Python1320@unaffiliated/python1320) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 10:11 | |
| *Python1320 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) | Sep 01 10:31 | |
| *Diablo-D3 (~diablo@pool-68-238-49-17.port.east.myfairpoint.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 12:07 | |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/google-makes-a-risky-play-for-the-gallery/7248 "The problem, as Bruce Perens makes clear at his blog, is that this lawsuit isn’t really about open source. Google deliberately violated the patent freedom grant given by Sun, using a user interface toolkit not found in Java ME or Java SE." | Sep 01 13:25 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Google makes a risky play for the gallery | ZDNet .::. Size~: 119.86 KB | Sep 01 13:25 |
| schestowitz | "In other words, as painful as it may be admit this, Oracle may indeed have a case even Richard Stallman is bound to respect." | Sep 01 13:25 |
| schestowitz | -Dana | Sep 01 13:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: OH WELL | Sep 01 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I GUESS SUN WILL SUE ME NOW | Sep 01 13:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | SWT POOWWAAARRR | Sep 01 13:28 |
| *Diablo-D3 flies away | Sep 01 13:28 | |
| MinceR | only if you're rich enough | Sep 01 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Really its a issue that need solves. | Sep 01 13:45 |
| oiaohm | The main issue is how should the java standard be expanded and altered. | Sep 01 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Really google or oracle trying to go alone will not do java good long term. | Sep 01 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Yes short term them fighting is a pain in ass too. | Sep 01 13:46 |
| MinceR | oracle trying to constrain everyone else will not do java good either | Sep 01 13:46 |
| oiaohm | SUN was the standard core. | Sep 01 13:47 |
| oiaohm | of java | Sep 01 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Really restruct is required. | Sep 01 13:47 |
| MinceR | if they need a single standard, use trademark law | Sep 01 13:47 |
| MinceR | that's what it's for. | Sep 01 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough Google did call for Oracle to take over Java with a iron fist. | Sep 01 13:48 |
| MinceR | then others will name their own versions something else. | Sep 01 13:48 |
| oiaohm | And give the java platform direction. | Sep 01 13:48 |
| MinceR | well, they got what they asked for, then | Sep 01 13:48 |
| MinceR | even though i have no idea why google would ask for such a thing | Sep 01 13:48 |
| oiaohm | You think about it for years SUN held the rains of java fairly lose. | Sep 01 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Centeral expand to specs has not really happened that much. | Sep 01 13:49 |
| MinceR | for years, java was improving | Sep 01 13:49 |
| oiaohm | So java has stayed fairly stagenet in development. | Sep 01 13:49 |
| MinceR | they were turning it from a toy platform and toy language into a real one. | Sep 01 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Look at the GUI side. | Sep 01 13:49 |
| oiaohm | Really the sooner Google and Oracle can settle the better. Preferable with some way of going forward unified. | Sep 01 13:50 |
| schestowitz | Google makes products and markets them as toys | Sep 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft makes toys and markets them as professional products | Sep 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Apple makes toys and markets them to grown-up children | Sep 01 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Really if android java interfaces were made fit into standard running android apps on desktops would be more possible. | Sep 01 13:51 |
| schestowitz | Oracle makes professional products and markets them as professional products | Sep 01 13:51 |
| oiaohm | The segmentation Google created is not good no matter how you look at it. MinceR | Sep 01 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Its simple to forget the key goals of Java that google android is in breach of. MinceR | Sep 01 13:53 |
| oiaohm | The freedom to create an app once and run it everywhere. | Sep 01 13:54 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 01 14:06 | |
| **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 1 14:20:01 2010 | ||
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 1 14:24:04 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Sep 01 14:24 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social | Sep 01 14:24 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:18:08 2010 | Sep 01 14:24 | |
| *[freenode-info] channel flooding and no channel staff around to help? Please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | Sep 01 14:24 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Sep 01 14:24 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz schestowitz_log | Sep 01 14:24 | |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if oracle is a professional product | Sep 01 14:25 |
| MinceR | looked more like a garbage heap when i used it at college | Sep 01 14:25 |
| **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 1 14:34:19 2010 | ||
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 1 14:35:40 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Sep 01 14:35 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social | Sep 01 14:35 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:19:56 2010 | Sep 01 14:35 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Sep 01 14:35 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz_log | Sep 01 14:35 | |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: its no pg | Sep 01 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats for damned sure | Sep 01 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know how awesome pg is? | Sep 01 15:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | ibm has a pro db product, and they still often use pg internally for $$$ shit. | Sep 01 15:33 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: the pg-based one? | Sep 01 15:41 |
| schestowitz | bsd=proprietary after some 'work' | Sep 01 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no stock pg afiak | Sep 01 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | its internal, not commercial | Sep 01 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: ibm is a major contributor to pg upstream as well | Sep 01 15:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | yahoo is another huge pg user | Sep 01 15:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | they use it instead of oracle | Sep 01 15:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | and google uses pg a fair bit | Sep 01 15:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | if the project isnt on bigtable, they use pg about as much as mysql | Sep 01 15:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | adwords is the only big oracle user at google, and they're trying to get rid of it because it performs like shit and oracle wont let them have the source (even if they pay for it) | Sep 01 15:44 |
| schestowitz | AdWords? | Sep 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Or Adsense too? | Sep 01 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Was it also a Gogle buyout? | Sep 01 15:48 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... :-/ "Your link is not accessible. Which BE party are you talking about? :)" http://identi.ca/conversation/47994351#notice-48380259 | Sep 01 15:48 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.45 KB | Sep 01 15:48 |
| MinceR | pg is good stuff | Sep 01 15:57 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/47995962#notice-48380928 "@schestowitz We have also a BE party in !pt. Neverthless, no mention on !Linux on their own site :) !ubuntu !gnu" | Sep 01 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.38 KB | Sep 01 15:57 |
| *jono (~jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 16:00 | |
| *benJIman has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) | Sep 01 16:30 | |
| *benJIman (~benji@benjiweber.co.uk) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 16:35 | |
| *jono has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) | Sep 01 16:54 | |
| *jono (~jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 16:55 | |
| *Python1320 (~Python132@a91-152-233-50.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 17:07 | |
| *Python1320 has quit (Changing host) | Sep 01 17:07 | |
| *Python1320 (~Python132@unaffiliated/python1320) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 17:07 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: btw | Sep 01 18:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | adwords and adsense are the same product | Sep 01 18:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | one allows you to sell ad space, the other allows you to buy ad space on those spaces. | Sep 01 18:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not sure why google ever maintained a separation between the two | Sep 01 18:25 |
| MinceR | so that they could market them separately? :> | Sep 01 18:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: erm | Sep 01 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | but there is no seperately | Sep 01 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | one guy has ad space, another guy has ads seeking space | Sep 01 18:55 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 01 18:57 |
| MinceR | and they're not the same guy | Sep 01 18:57 |
| MinceR | one guy is interested in selling ad space on his website, the other guy is interested in buying advertisements on (not quite) random websites :> | Sep 01 18:58 |
| *Python1320 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) | Sep 01 19:08 | |
| *schestowitz has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) | Sep 01 19:47 | |
| *schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 19:48 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Sep 01 19:48 | |
| schestowitz_log | Diablo-D3: thanks | Sep 01 19:50 |
| *Python1320 (Python1320@a91-152-234-52.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 19:57 | |
| *Python1320 has quit (Changing host) | Sep 01 19:57 | |
| *Python1320 (Python1320@unaffiliated/python1320) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 19:57 | |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: well, its "random" | Sep 01 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont buy space on specific sites | Sep 01 20:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | just ones that excell at specific keyword performance | Sep 01 20:39 |
| MinceR | but the ads are somewhat targeted :> | Sep 01 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Sep 01 20:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its not like they know the specific sites they'll be on | Sep 01 20:39 |
| *Thrae has quit (Read error: Operation timed out) | Sep 01 21:06 | |
| *Thrae (~ircuser@generalmx-1-pt.tunnel.tserv13.ash1.ipv6.he.net) has joined #boycottnovell | Sep 01 21:10 | |
| *Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). | Sep 01 22:43 | |
| **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 1 22:43:39 2010 | ||
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 1 22:44:31 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell | Sep 01 22:44 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell-social | Sep 01 22:44 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:18:08 2010 | Sep 01 22:44 | |
| -ChanServ-[#boycottnovell] Welcome to the #boycottnovell channel | Sep 01 22:44 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz_log | Sep 01 22:44 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!