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zoobabpongSep 05 00:16
schestowitzHeySep 05 00:16
schestowitzWhat's up?Sep 05 00:16
zoobabat the WBMv31416Sep 05 00:16
schestowitzConference??Sep 05 00:17
zoobabyesSep 05 00:23
zoobabnoSep 05 00:23
zoobabwireless eventSep 05 00:23
zoobabhttp://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV3.1416Sep 05 00:24
TechrightsBotTitle: BattleMeshV3.1416 - Wireless Battle of the Mesh .::. Size~: 17.23 KBSep 05 00:25
schestowitzNeat!Sep 05 00:27
schestowitzat midnight?Sep 05 00:27
schestowitzBTW..Sep 05 00:27
schestowitzZuck has more company nowSep 05 00:27
schestowitzMore groups like hisSep 05 00:27
zoobab?Sep 05 00:34
zoobabyou mean ACT has more members?Sep 05 00:34
zoobabhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJzUWgPXr64Sep 05 00:34
zoobabSMEs ICTSep 05 00:35
zoobabIPRSep 05 00:35
TechrightsBotTitle: YouTube- Jonathan Zuck .::. Size~: 92.38 KBSep 05 00:36
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schestowitzThis for a change is a donation that probably has no problem with it. http://tribune.com.pk/story/43105/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-donates-700000/Sep 05 08:37
TechrightsBotTitle: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $700,000  The Express Tribune .::. Size~: 39.64 KBSep 05 08:37
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schestowitzI don't get it: http://www.slashgear.com/viewsonic-viewpad-android-tablet-dual-booting-androidmicrosoft-slate-tipped-for-ifa-2010-2398523/ why dual boot at all?Sep 05 11:01
TechrightsBotTitle: ViewSonic ViewPad Android tablet & dual-booting Android/Microsoft slate tipped for IFA 2010 - SlashGear .::. Size~: 46.67 KBSep 05 11:01
schestowitzapp compatibility?Sep 05 11:01
oiaohmI guess windows 7?  schestowitzSep 05 11:13
oiaohmIt would be insane to duel boot anything else.Sep 05 11:13
oiaohmOf MS productsSep 05 11:13
schestowitzxp?Sep 05 11:31
schestowitzFor devices?Sep 05 11:31
oiaohmThere is a windows 7 embeded version just like XP had a embeded veersion.  schestowitzSep 05 11:34
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schestowitzoiaohm: http://whitehatfirm.com/news/microsoft-recruiting-test-engineers-to-develop-windows-8-embedded-systems/3639.htmlSep 05 12:35
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft recruiting test engineers to develop Windows 8 Embedded systems  | White Hat News .::. Size~: 29.29 KBSep 05 12:35
schestowitz8 :-)Sep 05 12:35
schestowitzAlready EightSep 05 12:35
oiaohmYes work on windows 8 has startedSep 05 12:35
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows  when 2 years pass its going to be interesting.Sep 05 12:40
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft Windows - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 231.79 KBSep 05 12:40
oiaohmTo see if MS cuts Vista dead before XP dies.Sep 05 12:40
schestowitzMy pointer goes crazy sometimes with random clicks. Not just the keyboard. Is suspect my motherboard might be at faultSep 05 12:42
schestowitzI tried restarting, no helpSep 05 12:42
schestowitzoiaohm: yeah, they also discount Vista 7 nowSep 05 12:43
schestowitzFamily PackSep 05 12:43
schestowitzSales were too poor Sep 05 12:43
schestowitzJust bundling worked, i.e. forced salesSep 05 12:43
schestowitzhttp://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/220055.aspSep 05 12:45
TechrightsBotTitle: Dude ... Microsoft enlists 'double rainbow' guy for Windows Live ad .::. Size~: 72.49 KBSep 05 12:45
schestowitzPatheticSep 05 12:45
oiaohmFree forced upgrades to charties helped MS numbers.Sep 05 12:52
schestowitzSomeone has suggested that I find out how many people use Linux in techrights...Sep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:36] <someone> heySep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:37] <schestowitz> What's up?Sep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:37] <someone> I have a question, how do you track visitors on your website?Sep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:38] <schestowitz> I don'tSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:38] <schestowitz> But Apache keeps logs for a weekSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:38] <schestowitz> In case we get DDOSed and stuffSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:39] <schestowitz> tail -n50 /var/log/httpd/boycottnovell.com-access_logSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:39] <someone> The reason I ask is that there is another way, usingle Google analyticsSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:39] <someone> *usingSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:39] <schestowitz> No waySep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:39] <schestowitz> It's a virusSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:39] <someone> ?Sep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:39] <schestowitz> I block itSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:39] <schestowitz> It's spywareSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:40] <schestowitz> And a CPU hogSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:40] <someone> well the other way is for me to create an image on a server I own, and use that as your way of trackingSep 05 12:54
schestowitz[12:41] <someone> all you would need to do is link to it using a img tag (the image would only be 1x1 pixels in size)Sep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:42] <someone> completely transparent, so no one can see itSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:43] <someone> just an ideaSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:44] <schestowitz> But what for?Sep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:44] <schestowitz> I don't check site statisticsSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:48] <someone> For articles like http://techrights.org/2010/07/09/w3schools-ups-linux/ where it would be good to have statistics from your own site.Sep 05 12:55
TechrightsBotTitle: Linux is Already Replacing Windows, Linux Skills Replace Microsoft Staff | Techrights .::. Size~: 101.39 KBSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:49] <someone> also it allows you to see which articles are more popular and produce more articles about the same topicSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:50] <schestowitz> it doesn't change what I writeSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:51] <schestowitz> Years ago I checked, but it's more of an ego problem. It doesn't actually improve muchSep 05 12:55
schestowitzSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:51] <someone> only a suggestionSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:53] <someone> anyway time to go now, byeSep 05 12:55
schestowitz[12:52] <oiaohm> Free forced upgrades to charties helped MS numbers.Sep 05 12:55
schestowitzThat's not the story Microsoft tellsSep 05 12:55
schestowitzIt talks about "Selling like hot cakes"Sep 05 12:55
schestowitzAs if boxes are sold over the shelf "x" times per secondSep 05 12:55
oiaohmNotice words selling.Sep 05 12:57
oiaohmNot activations.Sep 05 12:57
schestowitzYeahSep 05 12:57
schestowitzOr upgradesSep 05 12:57
schestowitzLike Vista->VIsta7Sep 05 12:57
schestowitzImagine Fedora saying it sold 2 million Fedora 'boxes'/items 1 week after releasdeSep 05 12:58
schestowitz*leaseSep 05 12:58
schestowitzWow! 2 million MORE usersSep 05 12:58
schestowitz[of Fedora version Y]Sep 05 12:58
schestowitzThe problem with Linux is, its people are too honestSep 05 12:58
schestowitzNo marketing (=liars)Sep 05 12:59
schestowitzWe don't like deceiving peopleSep 05 12:59
oiaohmWe do have marketing in the Linux world.Sep 05 13:00
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/082610-unpatched-vulnerabilities.htmlSep 05 13:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Report: Sun, Microsoft and Mozilla leave the most vulnerabilities unpatched .::. Size~: 104.35 KBSep 05 13:00
schestowitzhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9182818/Google_disputes_bug_patching_report?taxonomyId=85Sep 05 13:00
TechrightsBotTitle: Google disputes bug patching report - Computerworld .::. Size~: 81.15 KBSep 05 13:00
schestowitzIBM then changed it to make Microsoft last placeSep 05 13:00
oiaohmBut Linux support contracts are sold on trust.  schestowitzSep 05 13:00
schestowitzyESSep 05 13:01
schestowitzYesSep 05 13:01
schestowitzI'd rather stick to fatsSep 05 13:01
schestowitzI'd rather stick to factsSep 05 13:01
schestowitzI think more people realise itSep 05 13:01
oiaohmNow that was a good typo.Sep 05 13:01
schestowitzWIndows help files liesSep 05 13:01
schestowitzThey are marketingSep 05 13:01
schestowitzLinux is frankSep 05 13:01
schestowitzHelp files will acknowledge the weaknessesSep 05 13:01
schestowitzBut at least they don't hide theseSep 05 13:01
schestowitzTODOSep 05 13:01
schestowitzForumsSep 05 13:02
schestowitzBugzilla and the likes of itSep 05 13:02
schestowitzBorn for all to view and participate inSep 05 13:02
schestowitzDidn't IE try to do a public bug tracker at some stage?Sep 05 13:02
schestowitzWhat ever came out of it?Sep 05 13:02
oiaohmDisappeared very quickly.Sep 05 13:03
oiaohmMostly because patch rates were showing up as slow.Sep 05 13:03
schestowitzhttp://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/09/04/new_malware_spoofs_microsoft_security_essentials_webpage/Sep 05 13:03
TechrightsBotTitle: [H]ard|OCP - New Malware Spoofs Microsoft Security Essentials Webpage .::. Size~: 12.62 KBSep 05 13:03
schestowitzoiaohm: got any proof of it?Sep 05 13:03
schestowitzI never heard of thatSep 05 13:03
schestowitzI learned to be more picky when rumours I pickSep 05 13:04
schestowitzOr to see it in original context to verifySep 05 13:04
oiaohmOther than the fact I used it.Sep 05 13:04
oiaohmNothing.Sep 05 13:04
schestowitzI rarely take things at face value cause that's when techrights has a rare errorSep 05 13:04
oiaohmand I was insulted by them as wellSep 05 13:04
schestowitzoiaohm: so anecdotalSep 05 13:04
oiaohmI was told my bug was not a bug.Sep 05 13:05
schestowitzMicrosoft responded to Techrights a while backSep 05 13:05
oiaohmBecause no coder should create a webpage like that.Sep 05 13:05
schestowitzClaims we publishedSep 05 13:05
schestowitzIt's funny how they dance around claimsSep 05 13:05
schestowitzBut saying/making a statement like, "we remain committed to our {partner}... and ..."Sep 05 13:06
oiaohmI had created a heavy single javascript generated page producing many pages.Sep 05 13:06
schestowitzOtherwise they say they don't respond to rumoursSep 05 13:06
schestowitzMSIE is the standardSep 05 13:06
schestowitz:-)Sep 05 13:06
oiaohmFound many MSIE memory errorsSep 05 13:06
schestowitzSo if your page doesn't work, it needs to change :-)Sep 05 13:06
schestowitz*you* are the problemSep 05 13:06
oiaohmYep.Sep 05 13:06
schestowitzoiaohm: not errorsSep 05 13:07
schestowitzFeaturesSep 05 13:07
schestowitzDesign choices :)Sep 05 13:07
oiaohmYepSep 05 13:07
oiaohmI really don't know how having MSIE reboot the computer thinking this was Windows 9x time frame.Sep 05 13:07
oiaohmCould be a featureSep 05 13:07
oiaohmLets just say I had found some mother bugs.Sep 05 13:08
oiaohmSince then I have never trusted MS to patch anything.Sep 05 13:08
schestowitzThey fail at itSep 05 13:09
schestowitzBut not propaganda about itSep 05 13:09
schestowitzLike how "good" they are at patchingSep 05 13:09
oiaohmNote that tells you how long ago they attempted the public bug tracker.Sep 05 13:09
oiaohmIts over 13 years agoSep 05 13:09
schestowitzWhich comparatively they are notSep 05 13:09
oiaohmTo the point MS would want to believe they never did.Sep 05 13:09
schestowitzUnder the rug nowSep 05 13:10
schestowitzI wondered why I lapsed in memorySep 05 13:10
schestowitzTHose things that make you go, "oh! what ever happened with that?"Sep 05 13:10
schestowitzLike a product which vanished (linux-based console I mentioned earlier)Sep 05 13:10
schestowitzOr a one-hit bandSep 05 13:10
schestowitzWhich vanished from pop culture within weeks never to be thought of againSep 05 13:11
oiaohmevo smart console made a fatal mistake.Sep 05 13:11
schestowitzMore singer/bands are like thisSep 05 13:11
schestowitzEVOSep 05 13:11
schestowitzYes, that's the oneSep 05 13:11
oiaohmThey made a windows version.Sep 05 13:11
schestowitzI forgot the name evenSep 05 13:11
oiaohmSo putting them in the PC marketSep 05 13:11
oiaohmSo dead.Sep 05 13:11
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/idUS100619721220100827Sep 05 13:12
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft boosts access to secure development guidelines| Reuters .::. Size~: 47.18 KBSep 05 13:12
oiaohmReally should readSep 05 13:12
oiaohm /watch those.Sep 05 13:12
oiaohmAnd see if I can pick holes in them for you schestowitzSep 05 13:12
schestowitzEVO was too obscure to get into shopsSep 05 13:13
schestowitzShame... I spent a lot of time posting clippings about themSep 05 13:13
oiaohmReally EVO had a chance.Sep 05 13:13
oiaohmThey were a full blown game development firm.Sep 05 13:14
schestowitzhttp://www.softsailor.com/how-to/38488-how-to-uninstall-remove-the-fake-microsoft-security-essentials-alert-trojan-virus-removal-guide.htmlSep 05 13:14
TechrightsBotTitle: How To Uninstall / Remove The Fake Microsoft Security Essentials Alert Trojan Virus ( Removal Guide )  SoftSailor .::. Size~: 42.57 KBSep 05 13:14
schestowitzoiaohm: games?Sep 05 13:14
schestowitzNot console?Sep 05 13:14
schestowitzSubsidies was another issueSep 05 13:14
schestowitzPaying for whole box initiallySep 05 13:14
schestowitzPandora should be OKSep 05 13:14
schestowitzOld gamesSep 05 13:15
schestowitzAplentySep 05 13:15
oiaohmhttp://www.envizionscorp.com/about.html  There current mainline product.  schestowitzSep 05 13:17
TechrightsBotTitle: Envizions .::. Size~: 11.69 KBSep 05 13:17
oiaohmBasically they have gone steam model.  schestowitzSep 05 13:18
schestowitzI cSep 05 13:44
schestowitzOffice cannibalism: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-adds-new-printing-charting-features-to-office-web-apps/7208Sep 05 13:47
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft adds new printing, charting features to Office Web Apps | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 103.04 KBSep 05 13:47
oiaohmMore like attempt to presure google docs and other web based.Sep 05 13:59
schestowitzCause people go for zero entry costSep 05 14:08
oiaohmRemember if they break compadiblity after the fact.Sep 05 14:18
schestowitzThey have toSep 05 14:37
schestowitzCompel to upgradeSep 05 14:37
schestowitzBut web-based is based on subs modelSep 05 14:37
oiaohmA model to attack openoffice and google docsSep 05 14:40
oiaohmThat they can remove or harm at a later date schestowitzSep 05 14:40
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schestowitzYes, OOo tooSep 05 14:55
schestowitzOOo can't go Web-basedeSep 05 14:56
schestowitzFOSS in generalSep 05 14:56
schestowitzOpenGoo _maybe_Sep 05 14:56
schestowitzBut FOSS and Fog Computing are hardly compatibleSep 05 14:56
schestowitzWhich is why the FSF is scared of SaaS tooSep 05 14:56
oiaohmAGPLSep 05 15:02
oiaohmIs used by some SaaSSep 05 15:02
oiaohmAnd don't be too sure that OOo cannot go WebSep 05 15:03
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/24/kim_cameron_on_apple_privacy_policy/Sep 05 16:54
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft ID guru slams 'duplicitous' Apple • The Register .::. Size~: 25.38 KBSep 05 16:54
cubevectorduplicitous Microsoft slams duplicitous AppleSep 05 17:44
cubevectorwhich one do you trust the least? :)Sep 05 17:45
schestowitzHeheSep 05 17:48
schestowitzI hate the AAPL vs MSFT articlesSep 05 17:49
schestowitzI mostly ignore themSep 05 17:49
schestowitzIt's the fake debateSep 05 17:49
schestowitzProprietary vs proprietarySep 05 17:49
schestowitzhttps://www.trefis.com/company?article=21833Sep 05 17:51
TechrightsBotTitle: Vanishing Subscribers Hurt AOLs Search Business -- Trefis .::. Size~: 24.36 KBSep 05 17:51
cubevectorit makes going to the computer store a bad experience Sep 05 17:52
cubevectorunless you have some local independent person who can sell you used or blank computersSep 05 17:52
cubevectorI'm fortunate, I have such an outlet and he even promotes Linux (to a degree)Sep 05 17:53
cubevectorpeople running older computers see them as worthless, but with Linux they're still usefulSep 05 17:54
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schestowitzI have some computers I could give youSep 05 17:58
schestowitzNo idea how to use themSep 05 17:58
cubevectorlike what?Sep 05 17:58
schestowitzI gave one to a friend's wife's brother last monthSep 05 17:58
schestowitzcubevector: 2ghz+ rangeSep 05 17:58
schestowitz2005ishSep 05 17:58
cubevectortoo new for me :)Sep 05 17:58
cubevectorSparc is my next projectSep 05 17:59
cubevectorhow hot does 2ghz cpu get?Sep 05 17:59
schestowitzDepends how closely you lookSep 05 18:00
schestowitzHeat is atoms banging togetherSep 05 18:00
cubevectori found out yesterday that Iyonix was Intel tooSep 05 18:01
schestowitzAt the level of transistors there's lots of electron activitySep 05 18:01
cubevectoryesSep 05 18:01
schestowitzTemperaure is a rather localised thing, at macro level of groupsSep 05 18:01
cubevectortrying to get out of Intel-land Sep 05 18:01
schestowitzBig processors can spread the heatSep 05 18:01
cubevectoractually trying to get out of x86-landSep 05 18:01
schestowitzVentilation helps tooSep 05 18:02
cubevectoryes, but the trend is greater and greater integrationSep 05 18:02
schestowitzGPUs are where heat comes in volumeSep 05 18:02
schestowitzLike nvidia cardsSep 05 18:02
cubevectoryes, very much soSep 05 18:02
cubevectorthat's why I'm running mostly ATI boxesSep 05 18:02
cubevectorzaurus was excellent had low wattage computingSep 05 18:03
cubevectorbut it's StrongARM, Intel again!Sep 05 18:03
cubevectorsome other Linux guys told me about microVAXSep 05 18:04
cubevectorprobably will go Sparc thoughSep 05 18:05
cubevectorbasically I try to use the oldest computer I can that can do the job I'm doingSep 05 18:06
schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20015045-92.htmlSep 05 18:14
TechrightsBotTitle: HP gets OK to buy back $10 billion of stock | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 86.77 KBSep 05 18:14
schestowitzHmmm..Sep 05 18:14
schestowitz" After closer reading, headline appears incorrect: Of those who are buying Red Hat, more do so to replace Windows than Unix" http://identi.ca/conversation/48603754#notice-49022194Sep 05 18:49
TechrightsBotTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 12.3 KBSep 05 18:49
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