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schestowitz | Hey | Sep 05 00:16 |
schestowitz | What's up? | Sep 05 00:16 |
zoobab | at the WBMv31416 | Sep 05 00:16 |
schestowitz | Conference?? | Sep 05 00:17 |
zoobab | yes | Sep 05 00:23 |
zoobab | no | Sep 05 00:23 |
zoobab | wireless event | Sep 05 00:23 |
zoobab | http://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV3.1416 | Sep 05 00:24 |
TechrightsBot | Title: BattleMeshV3.1416 - Wireless Battle of the Mesh .::. Size~: 17.23 KB | Sep 05 00:25 |
schestowitz | Neat! | Sep 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | at midnight? | Sep 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | BTW.. | Sep 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | Zuck has more company now | Sep 05 00:27 |
schestowitz | More groups like his | Sep 05 00:27 |
zoobab | ? | Sep 05 00:34 |
zoobab | you mean ACT has more members? | Sep 05 00:34 |
zoobab | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJzUWgPXr64 | Sep 05 00:34 |
zoobab | SMEs ICT | Sep 05 00:35 |
zoobab | IPR | Sep 05 00:35 |
TechrightsBot | Title: YouTube- Jonathan Zuck .::. Size~: 92.38 KB | Sep 05 00:36 |
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schestowitz | This for a change is a donation that probably has no problem with it. http://tribune.com.pk/story/43105/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-donates-700000/ | Sep 05 08:37 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $700,000 The Express Tribune .::. Size~: 39.64 KB | Sep 05 08:37 |
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schestowitz | I don't get it: http://www.slashgear.com/viewsonic-viewpad-android-tablet-dual-booting-androidmicrosoft-slate-tipped-for-ifa-2010-2398523/ why dual boot at all? | Sep 05 11:01 |
TechrightsBot | Title: ViewSonic ViewPad Android tablet & dual-booting Android/Microsoft slate tipped for IFA 2010 - SlashGear .::. Size~: 46.67 KB | Sep 05 11:01 |
schestowitz | app compatibility? | Sep 05 11:01 |
oiaohm | I guess windows 7? schestowitz | Sep 05 11:13 |
oiaohm | It would be insane to duel boot anything else. | Sep 05 11:13 |
oiaohm | Of MS products | Sep 05 11:13 |
schestowitz | xp? | Sep 05 11:31 |
schestowitz | For devices? | Sep 05 11:31 |
oiaohm | There is a windows 7 embeded version just like XP had a embeded veersion. schestowitz | Sep 05 11:34 |
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schestowitz | oiaohm: http://whitehatfirm.com/news/microsoft-recruiting-test-engineers-to-develop-windows-8-embedded-systems/3639.html | Sep 05 12:35 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft recruiting test engineers to develop Windows 8 Embedded systems | White Hat News .::. Size~: 29.29 KB | Sep 05 12:35 |
schestowitz | 8 :-) | Sep 05 12:35 |
schestowitz | Already Eight | Sep 05 12:35 |
oiaohm | Yes work on windows 8 has started | Sep 05 12:35 |
oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows when 2 years pass its going to be interesting. | Sep 05 12:40 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft Windows - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 231.79 KB | Sep 05 12:40 |
oiaohm | To see if MS cuts Vista dead before XP dies. | Sep 05 12:40 |
schestowitz | My pointer goes crazy sometimes with random clicks. Not just the keyboard. Is suspect my motherboard might be at fault | Sep 05 12:42 |
schestowitz | I tried restarting, no help | Sep 05 12:42 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah, they also discount Vista 7 now | Sep 05 12:43 |
schestowitz | Family Pack | Sep 05 12:43 |
schestowitz | Sales were too poor | Sep 05 12:43 |
schestowitz | Just bundling worked, i.e. forced sales | Sep 05 12:43 |
schestowitz | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/220055.asp | Sep 05 12:45 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Dude ... Microsoft enlists 'double rainbow' guy for Windows Live ad .::. Size~: 72.49 KB | Sep 05 12:45 |
schestowitz | Pathetic | Sep 05 12:45 |
oiaohm | Free forced upgrades to charties helped MS numbers. | Sep 05 12:52 |
schestowitz | Someone has suggested that I find out how many people use Linux in techrights... | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:36] <someone> hey | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:37] <schestowitz> What's up? | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:37] <someone> I have a question, how do you track visitors on your website? | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:38] <schestowitz> I don't | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:38] <schestowitz> But Apache keeps logs for a week | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:38] <schestowitz> In case we get DDOSed and stuff | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:39] <schestowitz> tail -n50 /var/log/httpd/boycottnovell.com-access_log | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:39] <someone> The reason I ask is that there is another way, usingle Google analytics | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:39] <someone> *using | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:39] <schestowitz> No way | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:39] <schestowitz> It's a virus | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:39] <someone> ? | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:39] <schestowitz> I block it | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:39] <schestowitz> It's spyware | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:40] <schestowitz> And a CPU hog | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:40] <someone> well the other way is for me to create an image on a server I own, and use that as your way of tracking | Sep 05 12:54 |
schestowitz | [12:41] <someone> all you would need to do is link to it using a img tag (the image would only be 1x1 pixels in size) | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:42] <someone> completely transparent, so no one can see it | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:43] <someone> just an idea | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:44] <schestowitz> But what for? | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:44] <schestowitz> I don't check site statistics | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:48] <someone> For articles like http://techrights.org/2010/07/09/w3schools-ups-linux/ where it would be good to have statistics from your own site. | Sep 05 12:55 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Linux is Already Replacing Windows, Linux Skills Replace Microsoft Staff | Techrights .::. Size~: 101.39 KB | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:49] <someone> also it allows you to see which articles are more popular and produce more articles about the same topic | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:50] <schestowitz> it doesn't change what I write | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:51] <schestowitz> Years ago I checked, but it's more of an ego problem. It doesn't actually improve much | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz |  | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:51] <someone> only a suggestion | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:53] <someone> anyway time to go now, bye | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | [12:52] <oiaohm> Free forced upgrades to charties helped MS numbers. | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | That's not the story Microsoft tells | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | It talks about "Selling like hot cakes" | Sep 05 12:55 |
schestowitz | As if boxes are sold over the shelf "x" times per second | Sep 05 12:55 |
oiaohm | Notice words selling. | Sep 05 12:57 |
oiaohm | Not activations. | Sep 05 12:57 |
schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 05 12:57 |
schestowitz | Or upgrades | Sep 05 12:57 |
schestowitz | Like Vista->VIsta7 | Sep 05 12:57 |
schestowitz | Imagine Fedora saying it sold 2 million Fedora 'boxes'/items 1 week after releasde | Sep 05 12:58 |
schestowitz | *lease | Sep 05 12:58 |
schestowitz | Wow! 2 million MORE users | Sep 05 12:58 |
schestowitz | [of Fedora version Y] | Sep 05 12:58 |
schestowitz | The problem with Linux is, its people are too honest | Sep 05 12:58 |
schestowitz | No marketing (=liars) | Sep 05 12:59 |
schestowitz | We don't like deceiving people | Sep 05 12:59 |
oiaohm | We do have marketing in the Linux world. | Sep 05 13:00 |
schestowitz | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/082610-unpatched-vulnerabilities.html | Sep 05 13:00 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Report: Sun, Microsoft and Mozilla leave the most vulnerabilities unpatched .::. Size~: 104.35 KB | Sep 05 13:00 |
schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9182818/Google_disputes_bug_patching_report?taxonomyId=85 | Sep 05 13:00 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Google disputes bug patching report - Computerworld .::. Size~: 81.15 KB | Sep 05 13:00 |
schestowitz | IBM then changed it to make Microsoft last place | Sep 05 13:00 |
oiaohm | But Linux support contracts are sold on trust. schestowitz | Sep 05 13:00 |
schestowitz | yES | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | Yes | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | I'd rather stick to fats | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | I'd rather stick to facts | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | I think more people realise it | Sep 05 13:01 |
oiaohm | Now that was a good typo. | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | WIndows help files lies | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | They are marketing | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | Linux is frank | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | Help files will acknowledge the weaknesses | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | But at least they don't hide these | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | TODO | Sep 05 13:01 |
schestowitz | Forums | Sep 05 13:02 |
schestowitz | Bugzilla and the likes of it | Sep 05 13:02 |
schestowitz | Born for all to view and participate in | Sep 05 13:02 |
schestowitz | Didn't IE try to do a public bug tracker at some stage? | Sep 05 13:02 |
schestowitz | What ever came out of it? | Sep 05 13:02 |
oiaohm | Disappeared very quickly. | Sep 05 13:03 |
oiaohm | Mostly because patch rates were showing up as slow. | Sep 05 13:03 |
schestowitz | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/09/04/new_malware_spoofs_microsoft_security_essentials_webpage/ | Sep 05 13:03 |
TechrightsBot | Title: [H]ard|OCP - New Malware Spoofs Microsoft Security Essentials Webpage .::. Size~: 12.62 KB | Sep 05 13:03 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: got any proof of it? | Sep 05 13:03 |
schestowitz | I never heard of that | Sep 05 13:03 |
schestowitz | I learned to be more picky when rumours I pick | Sep 05 13:04 |
schestowitz | Or to see it in original context to verify | Sep 05 13:04 |
oiaohm | Other than the fact I used it. | Sep 05 13:04 |
oiaohm | Nothing. | Sep 05 13:04 |
schestowitz | I rarely take things at face value cause that's when techrights has a rare error | Sep 05 13:04 |
oiaohm | and I was insulted by them as well | Sep 05 13:04 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: so anecdotal | Sep 05 13:04 |
oiaohm | I was told my bug was not a bug. | Sep 05 13:05 |
schestowitz | Microsoft responded to Techrights a while back | Sep 05 13:05 |
oiaohm | Because no coder should create a webpage like that. | Sep 05 13:05 |
schestowitz | Claims we published | Sep 05 13:05 |
schestowitz | It's funny how they dance around claims | Sep 05 13:05 |
schestowitz | But saying/making a statement like, "we remain committed to our {partner}... and ..." | Sep 05 13:06 |
oiaohm | I had created a heavy single javascript generated page producing many pages. | Sep 05 13:06 |
schestowitz | Otherwise they say they don't respond to rumours | Sep 05 13:06 |
schestowitz | MSIE is the standard | Sep 05 13:06 |
schestowitz | :-) | Sep 05 13:06 |
oiaohm | Found many MSIE memory errors | Sep 05 13:06 |
schestowitz | So if your page doesn't work, it needs to change :-) | Sep 05 13:06 |
schestowitz | *you* are the problem | Sep 05 13:06 |
oiaohm | Yep. | Sep 05 13:06 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: not errors | Sep 05 13:07 |
schestowitz | Features | Sep 05 13:07 |
schestowitz | Design choices :) | Sep 05 13:07 |
oiaohm | Yep | Sep 05 13:07 |
oiaohm | I really don't know how having MSIE reboot the computer thinking this was Windows 9x time frame. | Sep 05 13:07 |
oiaohm | Could be a feature | Sep 05 13:07 |
oiaohm | Lets just say I had found some mother bugs. | Sep 05 13:08 |
oiaohm | Since then I have never trusted MS to patch anything. | Sep 05 13:08 |
schestowitz | They fail at it | Sep 05 13:09 |
schestowitz | But not propaganda about it | Sep 05 13:09 |
schestowitz | Like how "good" they are at patching | Sep 05 13:09 |
oiaohm | Note that tells you how long ago they attempted the public bug tracker. | Sep 05 13:09 |
oiaohm | Its over 13 years ago | Sep 05 13:09 |
schestowitz | Which comparatively they are not | Sep 05 13:09 |
oiaohm | To the point MS would want to believe they never did. | Sep 05 13:09 |
schestowitz | Under the rug now | Sep 05 13:10 |
schestowitz | I wondered why I lapsed in memory | Sep 05 13:10 |
schestowitz | THose things that make you go, "oh! what ever happened with that?" | Sep 05 13:10 |
schestowitz | Like a product which vanished (linux-based console I mentioned earlier) | Sep 05 13:10 |
schestowitz | Or a one-hit band | Sep 05 13:10 |
schestowitz | Which vanished from pop culture within weeks never to be thought of again | Sep 05 13:11 |
oiaohm | evo smart console made a fatal mistake. | Sep 05 13:11 |
schestowitz | More singer/bands are like this | Sep 05 13:11 |
schestowitz | EVO | Sep 05 13:11 |
schestowitz | Yes, that's the one | Sep 05 13:11 |
oiaohm | They made a windows version. | Sep 05 13:11 |
schestowitz | I forgot the name even | Sep 05 13:11 |
oiaohm | So putting them in the PC market | Sep 05 13:11 |
oiaohm | So dead. | Sep 05 13:11 |
schestowitz | http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS100619721220100827 | Sep 05 13:12 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft boosts access to secure development guidelines| Reuters .::. Size~: 47.18 KB | Sep 05 13:12 |
oiaohm | Really should read | Sep 05 13:12 |
oiaohm | /watch those. | Sep 05 13:12 |
oiaohm | And see if I can pick holes in them for you schestowitz | Sep 05 13:12 |
schestowitz | EVO was too obscure to get into shops | Sep 05 13:13 |
schestowitz | Shame... I spent a lot of time posting clippings about them | Sep 05 13:13 |
oiaohm | Really EVO had a chance. | Sep 05 13:13 |
oiaohm | They were a full blown game development firm. | Sep 05 13:14 |
schestowitz | http://www.softsailor.com/how-to/38488-how-to-uninstall-remove-the-fake-microsoft-security-essentials-alert-trojan-virus-removal-guide.html | Sep 05 13:14 |
TechrightsBot | Title: How To Uninstall / Remove The Fake Microsoft Security Essentials Alert Trojan Virus ( Removal Guide ) SoftSailor .::. Size~: 42.57 KB | Sep 05 13:14 |
schestowitz | oiaohm: games? | Sep 05 13:14 |
schestowitz | Not console? | Sep 05 13:14 |
schestowitz | Subsidies was another issue | Sep 05 13:14 |
schestowitz | Paying for whole box initially | Sep 05 13:14 |
schestowitz | Pandora should be OK | Sep 05 13:14 |
schestowitz | Old games | Sep 05 13:15 |
schestowitz | Aplenty | Sep 05 13:15 |
oiaohm | http://www.envizionscorp.com/about.html There current mainline product. schestowitz | Sep 05 13:17 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Envizions .::. Size~: 11.69 KB | Sep 05 13:17 |
oiaohm | Basically they have gone steam model. schestowitz | Sep 05 13:18 |
schestowitz | I c | Sep 05 13:44 |
schestowitz | Office cannibalism: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-adds-new-printing-charting-features-to-office-web-apps/7208 | Sep 05 13:47 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft adds new printing, charting features to Office Web Apps | ZDNet .::. Size~: 103.04 KB | Sep 05 13:47 |
oiaohm | More like attempt to presure google docs and other web based. | Sep 05 13:59 |
schestowitz | Cause people go for zero entry cost | Sep 05 14:08 |
oiaohm | Remember if they break compadiblity after the fact. | Sep 05 14:18 |
schestowitz | They have to | Sep 05 14:37 |
schestowitz | Compel to upgrade | Sep 05 14:37 |
schestowitz | But web-based is based on subs model | Sep 05 14:37 |
oiaohm | A model to attack openoffice and google docs | Sep 05 14:40 |
oiaohm | That they can remove or harm at a later date schestowitz | Sep 05 14:40 |
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schestowitz | Yes, OOo too | Sep 05 14:55 |
schestowitz | OOo can't go Web-basede | Sep 05 14:56 |
schestowitz | FOSS in general | Sep 05 14:56 |
schestowitz | OpenGoo _maybe_ | Sep 05 14:56 |
schestowitz | But FOSS and Fog Computing are hardly compatible | Sep 05 14:56 |
schestowitz | Which is why the FSF is scared of SaaS too | Sep 05 14:56 |
oiaohm | AGPL | Sep 05 15:02 |
oiaohm | Is used by some SaaS | Sep 05 15:02 |
oiaohm | And don't be too sure that OOo cannot go Web | Sep 05 15:03 |
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schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/24/kim_cameron_on_apple_privacy_policy/ | Sep 05 16:54 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft ID guru slams 'duplicitous' Apple • The Register .::. Size~: 25.38 KB | Sep 05 16:54 |
cubevector | duplicitous Microsoft slams duplicitous Apple | Sep 05 17:44 |
cubevector | which one do you trust the least? :) | Sep 05 17:45 |
schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 05 17:48 |
schestowitz | I hate the AAPL vs MSFT articles | Sep 05 17:49 |
schestowitz | I mostly ignore them | Sep 05 17:49 |
schestowitz | It's the fake debate | Sep 05 17:49 |
schestowitz | Proprietary vs proprietary | Sep 05 17:49 |
schestowitz | https://www.trefis.com/company?article=21833 | Sep 05 17:51 |
TechrightsBot | Title: Vanishing Subscribers Hurt AOLs Search Business -- Trefis .::. Size~: 24.36 KB | Sep 05 17:51 |
cubevector | it makes going to the computer store a bad experience | Sep 05 17:52 |
cubevector | unless you have some local independent person who can sell you used or blank computers | Sep 05 17:52 |
cubevector | I'm fortunate, I have such an outlet and he even promotes Linux (to a degree) | Sep 05 17:53 |
cubevector | people running older computers see them as worthless, but with Linux they're still useful | Sep 05 17:54 |
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schestowitz | I have some computers I could give you | Sep 05 17:58 |
schestowitz | No idea how to use them | Sep 05 17:58 |
cubevector | like what? | Sep 05 17:58 |
schestowitz | I gave one to a friend's wife's brother last month | Sep 05 17:58 |
schestowitz | cubevector: 2ghz+ range | Sep 05 17:58 |
schestowitz | 2005ish | Sep 05 17:58 |
cubevector | too new for me :) | Sep 05 17:58 |
cubevector | Sparc is my next project | Sep 05 17:59 |
cubevector | how hot does 2ghz cpu get? | Sep 05 17:59 |
schestowitz | Depends how closely you look | Sep 05 18:00 |
schestowitz | Heat is atoms banging together | Sep 05 18:00 |
cubevector | i found out yesterday that Iyonix was Intel too | Sep 05 18:01 |
schestowitz | At the level of transistors there's lots of electron activity | Sep 05 18:01 |
cubevector | yes | Sep 05 18:01 |
schestowitz | Temperaure is a rather localised thing, at macro level of groups | Sep 05 18:01 |
cubevector | trying to get out of Intel-land | Sep 05 18:01 |
schestowitz | Big processors can spread the heat | Sep 05 18:01 |
cubevector | actually trying to get out of x86-land | Sep 05 18:01 |
schestowitz | Ventilation helps too | Sep 05 18:02 |
cubevector | yes, but the trend is greater and greater integration | Sep 05 18:02 |
schestowitz | GPUs are where heat comes in volume | Sep 05 18:02 |
schestowitz | Like nvidia cards | Sep 05 18:02 |
cubevector | yes, very much so | Sep 05 18:02 |
cubevector | that's why I'm running mostly ATI boxes | Sep 05 18:02 |
cubevector | zaurus was excellent had low wattage computing | Sep 05 18:03 |
cubevector | but it's StrongARM, Intel again! | Sep 05 18:03 |
cubevector | some other Linux guys told me about microVAX | Sep 05 18:04 |
cubevector | probably will go Sparc though | Sep 05 18:05 |
cubevector | basically I try to use the oldest computer I can that can do the job I'm doing | Sep 05 18:06 |
schestowitz | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20015045-92.html | Sep 05 18:14 |
TechrightsBot | Title: HP gets OK to buy back $10 billion of stock | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 86.77 KB | Sep 05 18:14 |
schestowitz | Hmmm.. | Sep 05 18:14 |
schestowitz | " After closer reading, headline appears incorrect: Of those who are buying Red Hat, more do so to replace Windows than Unix" http://identi.ca/conversation/48603754#notice-49022194 | Sep 05 18:49 |
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