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| Tekk_ | just making sure, how many people here are running GNOME? =P | Sep 21 03:53 |
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| Tekk_ | I know schestowitz_log is clean, he's posting from kdemicroblog(just like me) | Sep 21 03:54 |
| Tekk_ | schestowitz* | Sep 21 03:54 |
| cubevector | KDE, icewm, xfce in order of usage | Sep 21 03:54 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: strangely enough | Sep 21 03:54 |
| Tekk_ | for me it's KDE, then GNOME(I drop in when something weird is going on in kde and need to check it out), followed by terminal | Sep 21 03:55 |
| schestowitz | Hi | Sep 21 03:55 |
| Tekk_ | I know, I know, but gnome being the default for this distro I can count on it to be the most reliable >> | Sep 21 03:55 |
| Tekk_ | hi schestowitz | Sep 21 03:55 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE and Mandriva suffer | Sep 21 03:56 |
| schestowitz | Now good for KDE | Sep 21 03:56 |
| schestowitz | They also employ some KDE devs | Sep 21 03:56 |
| schestowitz | Amarok just barely got a new release out | Sep 21 03:56 |
| cubevector | I should also specify I use KDE 3.5.10 and 3.4.2 | Sep 21 03:56 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: why not trinity? | Sep 21 03:56 |
| Tekk_ | I'm in 4.5.1, fell in love with plasmoids :P | Sep 21 03:57 |
| cubevector | Tekk_, don't know any distro that uses it | Sep 21 03:57 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: there's ubuntu and debian repos | Sep 21 03:57 |
| cubevector | I switched to KDE back in the 3.1 days | Sep 21 03:59 |
| cubevector | no actually a bit earlier than that | Sep 21 04:00 |
| cubevector | 3.03-3 | Sep 21 04:00 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: My first experience with kde was 4....back in intrepid(first distro I *really* used, spent the day before experimenting with knoppix) | Sep 21 04:00 |
| Tekk_ | but then after the jump to jaunty I moved to gnewsense and found the 3.5 amazingness | Sep 21 04:00 |
| Tekk_ | and I still maintain a distro that uses kde 3.5 | Sep 21 04:01 |
| cubevector | oh? Which one? | Sep 21 04:01 |
| Tekk_ | but this version suitably pleased me that I would finally cross over | Sep 21 04:01 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: RMS GNU/Linux | Sep 21 04:01 |
| cubevector | yeah I've heard of it | Sep 21 04:03 |
| cubevector | never tried it though | Sep 21 04:03 |
| Tekk_ | it's crap ^.^ | Sep 21 04:03 |
| Tekk_ | our main job is making it less crap for version 2 :P | Sep 21 04:03 |
| cubevector | the perfect distro still needs to be created | Sep 21 04:04 |
| cubevector | of course, there's really no such thing as 'perfect' | Sep 21 04:04 |
| Tekk_ | nope | Sep 21 04:05 |
| cubevector | I had this idea of a dynamic distro that would automatically load the ideal setup depending on your hardware | Sep 21 04:05 |
| Tekk_ | what do you mean? | Sep 21 04:05 |
| cubevector | e.g. it would work on 386SX with 16 megs or the most powerful PC possible | Sep 21 04:06 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: it exists | Sep 21 04:06 |
| cubevector | so if you had a 486 with 16 megs, say, it would only run icewm | Sep 21 04:06 |
| Tekk_ | ah | Sep 21 04:06 |
| Tekk_ | I was going to say you can run a straight terminal on both quite happily | Sep 21 04:06 |
| cubevector | or if you said you wanted KDE and you only had a 386 it wouldn't even bother :) | Sep 21 04:07 |
| Tekk_ | or if you said you wanted X and you only had a 386 it wouldn't even bother :)* | Sep 21 04:07 |
| Tekk_ | :P | Sep 21 04:07 |
| cubevector | sure, but most people use bitmap graphics for oh, browsing or looking at images :) | Sep 21 04:07 |
| cubevector | ummm, possibly | Sep 21 04:08 |
| Tekk_ | good point, maybe we can drop them in twm with tinyX | Sep 21 04:08 |
| cubevector | ok, I know you can do it in 16 megs on a 486SLC2 | Sep 21 04:08 |
| cubevector | I've done that, it's OK | Sep 21 04:08 |
| Tekk_ | I hear dillo works at those constrictions | Sep 21 04:08 |
| cubevector | with icewm | Sep 21 04:08 |
| cubevector | check out the picture at the top: http://cubexyz.blogspot.com | Sep 21 04:08 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Notes on Linux .::. Size~: 31.97 KB | Sep 21 04:08 |
| Tekk_ | I don't think linux will even run on a 386, much less the rest of the stuff XD | Sep 21 04:08 |
| cubevector | Tekk_, sure it will | Sep 21 04:09 |
| cubevector | you might need to use an old Linux though | Sep 21 04:09 |
| cubevector | pretty sure Yggdrasil could do that | Sep 21 04:10 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: yes, throw that 486 in the garbage bin | Sep 21 04:10 |
| cubevector | now, if you say modern Linux, then yes | Sep 21 04:10 |
| Tekk_ | the garbage bin being my address >> | Sep 21 04:10 |
| cubevector | ah, but did you read about 320x200 mode? | Sep 21 04:10 |
| cubevector | comes in handy sometimes | Sep 21 04:11 |
| cubevector | Tekk_, you should be able to find a 486 cheap still if you really want one | Sep 21 04:11 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: then I'd have to find peripherals though :/ | Sep 21 04:11 |
| Tekk_ | I doubt comps that old used vga monitors | Sep 21 04:11 |
| Tekk_ | least I have my PS/2 keyboard | Sep 21 04:12 |
| cubevector | they did actually | Sep 21 04:12 |
| Tekk_ | and I already have too many computers in here | Sep 21 04:12 |
| cubevector | I have SVGA with 512K on it :) | Sep 21 04:12 |
| Tekk_ | dell XPS with an overheated hard drive, 2 dead dell Latitudes | Sep 21 04:12 |
| cubevector | limited to 640x480 though | Sep 21 04:12 |
| Tekk_ | and 1 dell latitude CPx running Haiku beautifly | Sep 21 04:12 |
| Tekk_ | beautifully* | Sep 21 04:12 |
| cubevector | get this, my 486 Linux box has _never_ crashed | Sep 21 04:12 |
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| cubevector | it never overheats you see | Sep 21 04:13 |
| Tekk_ | I can believe that | Sep 21 04:13 |
| Tekk_ | the stuff is so low power | Sep 21 04:13 |
| Tekk_ | might not even need a fan in that | Sep 21 04:13 |
| cubevector | and it starts up and shutdowns faster than any other computer I own | Sep 21 04:14 |
| cubevector | even faster than the zaurus | Sep 21 04:14 |
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| cubevector | Tekk_, no heat sync either :) | Sep 21 04:14 |
| Tekk_ | seriously? | Sep 21 04:14 |
| cubevector | seriously | Sep 21 04:14 |
| Tekk_ | .... | Sep 21 04:14 |
| Tekk_ | Debian Free Software Guidelines. The social contract is a major aspect which affected how Debian developed and continues to be developed. Debian is one of the distributions which follow a very specific code from which there is no straying. Debian will always be 100% free, it will be open, it will fulfill the community needs and it will respect the free software standards. | Sep 21 04:14 |
| Tekk_ | [citation needed] | Sep 21 04:14 |
| cubevector | so my idea was say if you upgraded your box with more memory and bigger drive etc... | Sep 21 04:15 |
| cubevector | the dynamic Linux OS would turn on more features | Sep 21 04:15 |
| Tekk_ | it'd detect it and react accordingly | Sep 21 04:15 |
| Tekk_ | yeah | Sep 21 04:15 |
| cubevector | or as an improvement to a package manager... say you wanted to load GIMP | Sep 21 04:17 |
| cubevector | but you only got tiny RAM like 16 megs... | Sep 21 04:17 |
| cubevector | it would say, "no can do dude" | Sep 21 04:18 |
| Tekk_ | but do you want xpaint instead? | Sep 21 04:18 |
| cubevector | exactly | Sep 21 04:18 |
| Tekk_ | http://lyrics.wikia.com/Furries_In_A_Blender:With_Our_Hands | Sep 21 04:18 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Furries In A Blender:With Our Hands Lyrics - LyricWiki - Music lyrics from songs and albums .::. Size~: 59.16 KB | Sep 21 04:18 |
| Tekk_ | I love that song.... | Sep 21 04:18 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: that wouldn't be that hard to implement | Sep 21 04:18 |
| cubevector | it would have to be kernel savvy too | Sep 21 04:18 |
| Tekk_ | just have a variable that's set per package from lowest to highest | Sep 21 04:19 |
| Tekk_ | gimp > tuxpaint > xpaint | Sep 21 04:19 |
| cubevector | the only thing I know that would work was 2.2 | Sep 21 04:19 |
| Tekk_ | firefox > chromium > midori > dillo | Sep 21 04:19 |
| Tekk_ | > lynx :P | Sep 21 04:19 |
| cubevector | I'd put lynx first on the left, as we read left to right | Sep 21 04:19 |
| Tekk_ | but in terms of memory consumption firefox > chromium ;) | Sep 21 04:20 |
| cubevector | even netscape was a pig | Sep 21 04:20 |
| Tekk_ | firefox has the highest value(5), lynx has the lowest(0) | Sep 21 04:20 |
| cubevector | yes, as you say, probably not too hard to implement | Sep 21 04:20 |
| cubevector | another thing you would need is a server with the old stuff on it | Sep 21 04:21 |
| Tekk_ | if (tier != 0){ if (suggestedTier < tier){ tier--; }} | Sep 21 04:21 |
| cubevector | everyone usually deletes old KDE, old programs... | Sep 21 04:21 |
| Tekk_ | else { printf("Sorry, there's nothing in our servers slim enough for your computer D="); } | Sep 21 04:22 |
| Tekk_ | ;P | Sep 21 04:22 |
| cubevector | see, I think something like that would really clobber windows | Sep 21 04:22 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: just because I'm curious about what people think. What do you think would be the easiest language to implement a package manager in? | Sep 21 04:23 |
| cubevector | hmm, that's a good question | Sep 21 04:24 |
| cubevector | apt-get is C++ I think | Sep 21 04:25 |
| cubevector | if I did it I would probably use C, only because I know C pretty good | Sep 21 04:25 |
| Tekk_ | I've made two...... | Sep 21 04:25 |
| Tekk_ | one was the product of an epiphany, both are written in.....*waits for you to guess* | Sep 21 04:26 |
| cubevector | C++? | Sep 21 04:26 |
| Tekk_ | sh | Sep 21 04:26 |
| cubevector | bourne shell? | Sep 21 04:26 |
| Tekk_ | yes | Sep 21 04:26 |
| cubevector | huh, interesting | Sep 21 04:26 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: there are reasons | Sep 21 04:27 |
| Tekk_ | namely, it doesn't make sense to me to write on in anything BUT bash | Sep 21 04:27 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: what does a package manager do? | Sep 21 04:27 |
| cubevector | well it loads packages :) | Sep 21 04:28 |
| Tekk_ | which basically breaks down to using tar in most cases ;) | Sep 21 04:28 |
| cubevector | and removes them, checks for dependencies | Sep 21 04:28 |
| Tekk_ | which you can handle with grep and rm | Sep 21 04:28 |
| cubevector | yes, you make a good point | Sep 21 04:28 |
| cubevector | I see yum is written in python, so clearly everyone has different ideas | Sep 21 04:29 |
| Tekk_ | my newest one is crazy and challenges pretty much everything you think about package managers though | Sep 21 04:29 |
| Tekk_ | 23 lines | Sep 21 04:30 |
| Tekk_ | http://dpaste.com/246634/ | Sep 21 04:30 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: dpaste: #246634 .::. Size~: 7.23 KB | Sep 21 04:30 |
| Tekk_ | havent tried update and upgrade yet, since I don't have any packages on the server | Sep 21 04:31 |
| cubevector | do any other package managers use bourne scripts? | Sep 21 04:31 |
| Tekk_ | most similar thing I'm aware of are ports | Sep 21 04:31 |
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| Tekk_ | maybe arch's aur stuff is bash | Sep 21 04:31 |
| cubevector | when the repos die I always revert back to ./configure ; make ; make install | Sep 21 04:33 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: which you can do :P | Sep 21 04:33 |
| cubevector | naturally on 486 I have to do that all the time | Sep 21 04:33 |
| Tekk_ | technically by changing a few lines in that script and you're set | Sep 21 04:33 |
| Tekk_ | set ONLINEREPO to a local dir, then change wget to cp | Sep 21 04:33 |
| cubevector | the idea of suggestions from the packager manager is an excellent one | Sep 21 04:34 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: oh, also pointing out that this system lets you use any langauge or packaging system you like | Sep 21 04:34 |
| Tekk_ | assuming they have the interpreter/libs for it.... | Sep 21 04:34 |
| Tekk_ | which is why I would reccommend that they use a bash script to make sure those exist first, just to be safe | Sep 21 04:35 |
| cubevector | another thing, not sure if anyone does this or not | Sep 21 04:35 |
| cubevector | check for the necessary drive space before installing | Sep 21 04:35 |
| cubevector | it sounds so obvious but... I'm not sure package managers do that :) | Sep 21 04:36 |
| Tekk_ | ... | Sep 21 04:36 |
| Tekk_ | this package manager could, if you set your script to | Sep 21 04:36 |
| Tekk_ | since the package manager basically just sets arguments for the scripts you can do pretty much whatever you like | Sep 21 04:37 |
| cubevector | it would have to know the size of the expanded tar.gz or whatever | Sep 21 04:37 |
| Tekk_ | which, you being the packager, should know | Sep 21 04:37 |
| Tekk_ | another good reason to offload to the script, I stumble upon new features of this every day XD | Sep 21 04:37 |
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| Tekk_ | cubevector: wb | Sep 21 04:41 |
| cubevector | a keyboard with a help button... then you hit the help button and you get an intro to the man pages or something | Sep 21 04:42 |
| cubevector | but for some bizarre reason we don't have help buttons on keyboards | Sep 21 04:42 |
| cubevector | vectorlinux addresses this a bit | Sep 21 04:44 |
| cubevector | when you login you get a few pointers at the bash prompt | Sep 21 04:44 |
| cubevector | instead we have 12 function keys that really do dick all :) | Sep 21 04:45 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: not even I can figure out man pages sometimes though :P | Sep 21 04:45 |
| cubevector | ah but.... what if you wrote your own man pages? | Sep 21 04:46 |
| cubevector | at least for your own stuff | Sep 21 04:46 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: then they would be better but probably violating standards for man pages ;) | Sep 21 04:46 |
| cubevector | here... simple example anyone can use... | Sep 21 04:48 |
| cubevector | http://maxhost.org/other/xrubik.6 | Sep 21 04:48 |
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| cubevector | I sort of wrote this huge text file for all my KDE notes | Sep 21 04:50 |
| cubevector | just a one line desciption of what every KDE program did | Sep 21 04:51 |
| Tekk_ | cool | Sep 21 04:51 |
| cubevector | then one could have something like... | Sep 21 04:51 |
| cubevector | man kde-summary | Sep 21 04:51 |
| cubevector | and it would pop up | Sep 21 04:51 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: would you say you're obsessed with trying out old OSes? | Sep 21 04:54 |
| cubevector | I'm interested in the development history, but I wouldn't say I'm obsessed with old OSes | Sep 21 04:55 |
| cubevector | the 486 was mainly an experiment, could one run X on with 16 megs? | Sep 21 04:55 |
| Tekk_ | ah | Sep 21 04:56 |
| Tekk_ | http://lh3.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/S5U35eWgZZI/AAAAAAAAGbo/EE8qgOZ3PnE/image_thumb%5B25%5D.png?imgmax=800 | Sep 21 04:56 |
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| Tekk_ | that wallpaper is really emotional for me | Sep 21 04:56 |
| cubevector | computers should really be better than they are | Sep 21 04:59 |
| cubevector | this is 2010 | Sep 21 04:59 |
| cubevector | when I was a kid I thought ok, by the year 2000 things will be so awesome | Sep 21 04:59 |
| Tekk_ | I know, everyone knew 2k would be awesome | Sep 21 05:00 |
| cubevector | of course we would have talking computers that could understand voice commands | Sep 21 05:00 |
| Tekk_ | even those of us who were 4 in 1999 :P | Sep 21 05:00 |
| cubevector | but instead what do I see? | Sep 21 05:00 |
| cubevector | computers with 1000 times the memory and the run slower than my old 486 | Sep 21 05:01 |
| Tekk_ | XD | Sep 21 05:01 |
| cubevector | and they run slower | Sep 21 05:01 |
| cubevector | ok, my perspective is different | Sep 21 05:02 |
| cubevector | when I started, there were no PCs | Sep 21 05:02 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: god, how old ARE you? XD | Sep 21 05:03 |
| cubevector | I'm only 44 | Sep 21 05:03 |
| Tekk_ | you must've started early then, IBM pc came out when you were a teenager :P | Sep 21 05:03 |
| cubevector | I started as early as I could | Sep 21 05:04 |
| Tekk_ | how early would that be? | Sep 21 05:04 |
| cubevector | well, around 1978 | Sep 21 05:04 |
| cubevector | before that there was just kits | Sep 21 05:05 |
| Tekk_ | want the apple II around then though? | Sep 21 05:05 |
| Tekk_ | wasnt* | Sep 21 05:05 |
| cubevector | yes, there was the trinity: Commodore , Apple and TRS | Sep 21 05:05 |
| Tekk_ | never hard of trs | Sep 21 05:06 |
| cubevector | Commodore and TRS-80 was the first PC I ever saw in a store | Sep 21 05:06 |
| cubevector | Tandy Radio Shack | Sep 21 05:06 |
| Tekk_ | ah | Sep 21 05:06 |
| cubevector | Apple was way too expensive for a 13-year old | Sep 21 05:06 |
| Tekk_ | obviously, they still are in most things | Sep 21 05:06 |
| cubevector | actually it was possible to get a Commodore PET or Apple II in 1977 if you had the money | Sep 21 05:08 |
| cubevector | but I didn't even clue into their existence until 1978 | Sep 21 05:08 |
| cubevector | but anyways, ancient history :) | Sep 21 05:09 |
| cubevector | be thankful you started in the Linux era | Sep 21 05:09 |
| Tekk_ | I dunno, if I had a time machine I'd go back there | Sep 21 05:10 |
| Tekk_ | grab those things, hang out at MIT | Sep 21 05:11 |
| Tekk_ | it was such a MASSIVE time in computer history | Sep 21 05:11 |
| Tekk_ | go back 10 years, they were just inventing timesharing over at MIT | Sep 21 05:11 |
| Tekk_ | 70's PARC invented the gui | Sep 21 05:12 |
| cubevector | yes, but almost no one had those Altos | Sep 21 05:12 |
| Tekk_ | pretty much everything in computers today is an extension of the 60's and 70's | Sep 21 05:12 |
| cubevector | just upper crust Universities | Sep 21 05:12 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: doesn't make them less brilliant | Sep 21 05:12 |
| cubevector | oh I am still absorbing the significance of Xerox | Sep 21 05:13 |
| Tekk_ | parc was a stupid move, monitarily, but..... | Sep 21 05:13 |
| Tekk_ | I mean | Sep 21 05:13 |
| Tekk_ | where would we be if PARC and MIT's computer labs never happened? | Sep 21 05:13 |
| cubevector | but I can't recall ever seeing a Xerox computer anywhere | Sep 21 05:14 |
| Tekk_ | no multitasking, no gui, no lisp, no smalltalk.... | Sep 21 05:14 |
| cubevector | hmmm | Sep 21 05:14 |
| Tekk_ | we'd be programming in fortran at DOS prompts | Sep 21 05:14 |
| Tekk_ | :P | Sep 21 05:14 |
| cubevector | well I don't know, we had MIT developing X in 1984 | Sep 21 05:14 |
| cubevector | now were they effected by Parc Xerox, I don't know | Sep 21 05:15 |
| Tekk_ | I know that the lisa was affected a ton | Sep 21 05:15 |
| Tekk_ | you can see that the lisa gui completely changes after a visit to parc | Sep 21 05:15 |
| Tekk_ | I wish I still had the link to that article | Sep 21 05:16 |
| cubevector | yes, the influence is very clear there, especially since former Xerox guys got jobs at Apple | Sep 21 05:16 |
| cubevector | but the Alto was barely GUI really | Sep 21 05:16 |
| cubevector | the Star was the big one | Sep 21 05:16 |
| cubevector | 1024x768 display in 1981? amazing | Sep 21 05:16 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: the dell latitudes are pretty amazing too | Sep 21 05:17 |
| Tekk_ | laptop from 2001 | Sep 21 05:17 |
| Tekk_ | 512 MB RAM | Sep 21 05:17 |
| Tekk_ | pentium III processor | Sep 21 05:17 |
| Tekk_ | 1024x768 display | Sep 21 05:17 |
| Tekk_ | and built like a tank | Sep 21 05:17 |
| cubevector | 20 years later :) | Sep 21 05:18 |
| Tekk_ | yeah | Sep 21 05:18 |
| cubevector | and I bet those Latitudes shipped with windows of some sort | Sep 21 05:18 |
| Tekk_ | windows 2k | Sep 21 05:19 |
| cubevector | not saying the hardware was bad, I sold a few myself | Sep 21 05:19 |
| cubevector | D610's | Sep 21 05:19 |
| Tekk_ | I have mine set with haiku | Sep 21 05:19 |
| Tekk_ | I had a CPX850 | Sep 21 05:19 |
| Tekk_ | 1G RAM. P4, from 2003 | Sep 21 05:19 |
| Tekk_ | had gnewsense 3 on it until it died | Sep 21 05:19 |
| Tekk_ | pro tip: hot tea + babies + laptops = bad >< | Sep 21 05:20 |
| Tekk_ | well, it was room temperature by that point | Sep 21 05:20 |
| cubevector | you need a panasonic toughbook then :) | Sep 21 05:20 |
| Tekk_ | I'm doing fine with this acer extensa 5620Z | Sep 21 05:20 |
| cubevector | yeah I didn't like the P4 | Sep 21 05:20 |
| Tekk_ | that thing got HOT | Sep 21 05:20 |
| cubevector | it gets too hot yes :) | Sep 21 05:21 |
| cubevector | find a P3 coppermine laptop instead | Sep 21 05:21 |
| Tekk_ | if I actually used it on my lap I'd probably have permenant scarring :P | Sep 21 05:21 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: yeah, I hear some of the P3s were better than P4s | Sep 21 05:21 |
| cubevector | check this out... | Sep 21 05:21 |
| cubevector | CPU Temp: +26.6°C | Sep 21 05:21 |
| cubevector | that's my P3 866 mhz cpu | Sep 21 05:22 |
| Tekk_ | dont think I could deal with that o.o | Sep 21 05:22 |
| cubevector | +4C above room temperature | Sep 21 05:22 |
| Tekk_ | ooh | Sep 21 05:22 |
| Tekk_ | Thermal 0: ok, 76.0 degrees C | Sep 21 05:22 |
| Tekk_ | Thermal 1: ok, 71.0 degrees C | Sep 21 05:22 |
| Tekk_ | so only about 50C over room temp :P | Sep 21 05:23 |
| cubevector | yeah see... that's a lot of heat | Sep 21 05:23 |
| cubevector | wasted energy | Sep 21 05:23 |
| Tekk_ | however | Sep 21 05:23 |
| cubevector | plus I bet your GPU generates a lot of heat also | Sep 21 05:24 |
| Tekk_ | this laptop was owned by a smoker before it got to me, it made the whole house smell like cigarettes for weeks/months after I got it | Sep 21 05:24 |
| Tekk_ | so god knows how much crap is gumming up the works in ther | Sep 21 05:24 |
| cubevector | yeah you should probably clean it | Sep 21 05:24 |
| Tekk_ | yeah, getting it cleaned soon | Sep 21 05:24 |
| cubevector | dust and dirt is bad | Sep 21 05:24 |
| Tekk_ | my dad does computer repair so easier and safter to just pass it off to him | Sep 21 05:24 |
| cubevector | btw panasonic toughbooks, one's with P3's were very nice to have | Sep 21 05:25 |
| Tekk_ | it have wifi? | Sep 21 05:26 |
| Tekk_ | ah, what do you think of thinkpads? | Sep 21 05:26 |
| cubevector | hmmm, not sure, probably the newer version of P3's or the latest ones but even so you could add wifi with a card | Sep 21 05:27 |
| Tekk_ | wifi is required for me in a laptop | Sep 21 05:27 |
| cubevector | I owned an R30 for a while | Sep 21 05:27 |
| Tekk_ | because without it it's an expensive underpowered desktop :P | Sep 21 05:27 |
| cubevector | not really that great, video perf wasn't very good | Sep 21 05:27 |
| cubevector | probably a newer Thinkpad would be better though | Sep 21 05:27 |
| Tekk_ | my dream computer would be a relatively new dell latitude or a thinkpad | Sep 21 05:28 |
| Tekk_ | with wifi that works with libre drivers and firmware | Sep 21 05:28 |
| cubevector | no, probably a panasonic toughbook with a coppermine cpu and ATI video would be a great one to have | Sep 21 05:28 |
| Tekk_ | I dunno, pentium IIIs are a bit weak for today | Sep 21 05:28 |
| cubevector | depends | Sep 21 05:28 |
| Tekk_ | especially if I want to be running kde4 with all my plasmoids, plus icecat, plus amarok.. | Sep 21 05:29 |
| cubevector | I still use my 486 for several things | Sep 21 05:29 |
| cubevector | amarok doesn't need a lot of cpu | Sep 21 05:29 |
| cubevector | but probably KDE4 does | Sep 21 05:29 |
| Tekk_ | I guarantee you it does | Sep 21 05:29 |
| Tekk_ | how do you spell that? ^ | Sep 21 05:30 |
| Tekk_ | I can never remember | Sep 21 05:30 |
| cubevector | Amarok | Sep 21 05:30 |
| Tekk_ | it always looks wrong, no matter what | Sep 21 05:30 |
| Tekk_ | guarantee | Sep 21 05:30 |
| cubevector | well, ok I run mplayer then for music, but it Amarok will work on a p3 on KDE 3.5.10 just fine | Sep 21 05:30 |
| Tekk_ | I could probably run pretty happily on a P1 or P2 | Sep 21 05:31 |
| Tekk_ | rvlc for music, go from a terminal | Sep 21 05:31 |
| Tekk_ | I tend to be pretty terminal or relatively heavy | Sep 21 05:31 |
| Tekk_ | if I want to be minimalist, use a terminal, less resources and just as much power | Sep 21 05:32 |
| cubevector | VIA fastest C-3 variants dissipate no more than ~10W, cooled easily by a modest heatsink without fan | Sep 21 05:34 |
| Tekk_ | ? | Sep 21 05:34 |
| Tekk_ | C-3* | Sep 21 05:34 |
| Tekk_ | and via.. | Sep 21 05:34 |
| cubevector | VIA C-3 cpu | Sep 21 05:34 |
| cubevector | you want to know the worst? :) | Sep 21 05:34 |
| Tekk_ | never heard of it | Sep 21 05:34 |
| Tekk_ | sure | Sep 21 05:35 |
| cubevector | ta da: Intel P4 EE | Sep 21 05:35 |
| cubevector | a heat producing monster | Sep 21 05:35 |
| Tekk_ | my desktop is still running a P4 | Sep 21 05:35 |
| Tekk_ | there was a computer company I really liked, based in NC | Sep 21 05:37 |
| Tekk_ | intrix, something like that | Sep 21 05:37 |
| Tekk_ | and I like them because their cases are very mod friendly | Sep 21 05:37 |
| Tekk_ | you can open it up with your hands, no screwdriver, just twist the bolt thing | Sep 21 05:37 |
| Tekk_ | you can just pop off the front too | Sep 21 05:37 |
| Tekk_ | in fact I'm using the case from that computer(which was the first one I ever had running ubuntu) as a desk for this laptop | Sep 21 05:40 |
| Tekk_ | the cases are really airy, so they're great for this | Sep 21 05:40 |
| Tekk_ | it's all hollowed out so it's just a thin metal frame and a bit of reinforcement, open on 3 sides | Sep 21 05:40 |
| cubevector | ok, VIA C3 is pretty old | Sep 21 05:45 |
| cubevector | VIA Nano is a bit more modern | Sep 21 05:45 |
| Tekk_ | apparently drünk is swedish for drowned | Sep 21 05:47 |
| Tekk_ | spelling probably off, I speak some germanm no swedish | Sep 21 05:47 |
| Tekk_ | XD | Sep 21 05:52 |
| Tekk_ | If we ever get to choose what we want to be when we die, the animal planet would be all over | Sep 21 05:52 |
| Tekk_ | me | Sep 21 05:52 |
| cubevector | I got computers galore so I probably won't buy another one for a while | Sep 21 05:56 |
| Tekk_ | same, I have.... | Sep 21 05:57 |
| Tekk_ | 8 in here | Sep 21 05:57 |
| Tekk_ | 6 of which are mine | Sep 21 05:58 |
| Tekk_ | 3 of which work | Sep 21 05:58 |
| Tekk_ | 4 that work* | Sep 21 05:58 |
| Tekk_ | 3 that work well enough to really use | Sep 21 05:58 |
| Tekk_ | 2 that work well enough for everyday | Sep 21 05:58 |
| cubevector | the 486SLC2 50 mhz has lasted 17 years | Sep 21 05:58 |
| cubevector | so clearly less heat is better for longevity | Sep 21 05:59 |
| Tekk_ | pretty obvious | Sep 21 05:59 |
| cubevector | I've seen Pentium Pro's still working | Sep 21 05:59 |
| cubevector | that's what... about 14 years almost 15 years now | Sep 21 06:00 |
| Tekk_ | oh | Sep 21 06:00 |
| Tekk_ | 9 computers | Sep 21 06:00 |
| Tekk_ | working statistics still the same | Sep 21 06:00 |
| Tekk_ | I have a VIC-20 in my closet, should work but no R/F thing :/ | Sep 21 06:00 |
| cubevector | hmmm, I seem to recall there was a composite RCA cable for it | Sep 21 06:02 |
| cubevector | you don't need to use the RF adapter | Sep 21 06:02 |
| Tekk_ | either way I can't hook it up to my TV | Sep 21 06:02 |
| Tekk_ | unless by some miracle my NES R/F switch works, but I think I tried that | Sep 21 06:02 |
| Tekk_ | work with it* | Sep 21 06:02 |
| cubevector | ummm, no I think you would need 75 ohm to 300 ohm antenna adapter | Sep 21 06:04 |
| Tekk_ | no idea | Sep 21 06:04 |
| Tekk_ | didnt look that much into it | Sep 21 06:04 |
| Tekk_ | I know I could use the one from a C64 or maybe even a 128, but aside from that.. | Sep 21 06:05 |
| cubevector | well there's always vice | Sep 21 06:12 |
| cubevector | if you really really want vic-20 on LCD :) | Sep 21 06:12 |
| Tekk_ | cubevector: that's like saying there's always fceu | Sep 21 06:13 |
| Tekk_ | not the same :P | Sep 21 06:13 |
| Tekk_ | and I want it on our CRTs | Sep 21 06:13 |
| Tekk_ | more accurate | Sep 21 06:13 |
| Tekk_ | ....of course it is, it's the real thing on a crt :P | Sep 21 06:13 |
| cubevector | ok, then you want RGB monitor at 15hz | Sep 21 06:13 |
| Tekk_ | no way, crt tvs HAVE to have a higher refresh rate than that | Sep 21 06:14 |
| cubevector | well for the vic-20 I mean | Sep 21 06:14 |
| Tekk_ | or I can just spend $20 for a new one | Sep 21 06:14 |
| cubevector | just a CRT monitor that can do 15 mhz as well as higher | Sep 21 06:15 |
| Tekk_ | and then hook it up to our tvs | Sep 21 06:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/fcassia/statuses/25106380441 "if you can drop me an email. I don´t have yours. I´d like to discuss some cross-syndication of content." | Sep 21 19:47 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Twitter / fcassia: @schestowitz if you can dr ... .::. Size~: 9.24 KB | Sep 21 19:47 |
| schestowitz | I don't use E-mail anymore, so how about IRC? | Sep 21 19:47 |
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| MinceR | In South Korea, only old people use e-mail. | Sep 21 19:53 |
| schestowitz | Hotail? | Sep 21 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Hot male | Sep 21 20:07 |
| schestowitz | In North Korea, old people use gigolo | Sep 21 20:08 |
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| Tekk_ | any more active now? | Sep 21 21:34 |
| schestowitz | who, me? | Sep 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | Tekk_: wrong channel. /join #techrights | Sep 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | We moved | Sep 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | This one is just for Novell matter | Sep 21 22:08 |
| schestowitz | *matters | Sep 21 22:09 |
| Tekk_ | ah, okay | Sep 21 22:15 |
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