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| schestowitz | Opposite way | Sep 05 00:15 |
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| schestowitz | Post to identica | Sep 05 00:15 |
| schestowitz | It'll pass to Twitter | Sep 05 00:15 |
| schestowitz | What you put !link !like !this becomes #link #like #this in Twitter | Sep 05 00:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, i thought you'd say that. | Sep 05 00:17 |
| schestowitz | I use kdemicroblog | Sep 05 00:17 |
| schestowitz | It's a nice simple that's part of the desktop/plasma-desktop | Sep 05 00:18 |
| schestowitz | *simple GUI | Sep 05 00:18 |
| *FurnaceBoy is on gnome | Sep 05 00:19 | |
| FurnaceBoy | and os x | Sep 05 00:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.crapgraffiti.com/roy-is-a-fart | Sep 05 00:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Crap Graffiti » Roy Is A Fart .::. Size~: 9.72 KB | Sep 05 00:20 |
| *MinceR is on kde4 | Sep 05 00:21 | |
| *MinceR prefers http://www.crapgraffiti.com/dc-is-a-cunt | Sep 05 00:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Crap Graffiti » DC Is A Cunt .::. Size~: 10.76 KB | Sep 05 00:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah | Sep 05 00:24 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: read http://www.ratio-magazine.com/201007303542/Ratio-Blog/Ratio-Blog-Less-Charity-Mr-Microsoft.html | Sep 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | see how it starts | Sep 05 00:26 |
| schestowitz | bait | Sep 05 00:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 05 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh gawd | Sep 05 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | "this is clearly a man who knows how to create products and services, run a business, make money." | Sep 05 00:36 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/48444812#notice-48920911 "@schestowitz "gnu-compatible libraries" as in "java-compatible runtime" that got #google a lawsuit from #oracle ..." | Sep 05 00:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.34 KB | Sep 05 00:36 |
| schestowitz | re Android | Sep 05 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's really offensive | Sep 05 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 05 00:37 |
| schestowitz | PR | Sep 05 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | plus the ridiculous masturbation about sums of money | Sep 05 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | even more so | Sep 05 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Billions marketing a lousy phone | Sep 05 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Mercilessly | Sep 05 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Damn the truth, damn people around oneself | Sep 05 00:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | '" It pays taxes for governments to fund their own healthcare system. " | Sep 05 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL! | Sep 05 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | it famously pays zero tax. | Sep 05 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | you think if there was any way to evade it, they'd pay a cent | Sep 05 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | NO | Sep 05 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | "If the Gates Foundation prides itself on doing things a different way, it still does not challenge the aid industry as such: it gives grants to intermediary foundation, many of whom represent the business-as-usual of the aid industry and the illusion of the fixability of single issues. " | Sep 05 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | WOW | Sep 05 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | they even manage to trash the opposition | Sep 05 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | this article is sick | Sep 05 00:39 |
| *FurnaceBoy closes the window | Sep 05 00:39 | |
| FurnaceBoy | competition* | Sep 05 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | now u made me mad! :) | Sep 05 00:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm trying to view that ogg video | Sep 05 00:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | i installed helix player | Sep 05 00:40 |
| MinceR | fucking firefox is dosing my laptop again | Sep 05 00:49 |
| MinceR | why can't anyone write a browser that doesn't suck? | Sep 05 00:49 |
| schestowitz | It's not perfect | Sep 05 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Wait for 4.0 | Sep 05 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Should be decent | Sep 05 00:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | it needs to improve a lot | Sep 05 00:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a piggy | Sep 05 00:52 |
| MinceR | it needs to stop eating the machine and crashing left and right | Sep 05 00:53 |
| MinceR | so do others | Sep 05 00:53 |
| MinceR | chrom{e,ium} needs to get with the program and render fonts correctly, like everyone else does | Sep 05 00:54 |
| MinceR | midori also needs to stop freezing for minutes | Sep 05 00:54 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Bill learned the art of making people whom you rob love you | Sep 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz | It's a tad sickening | Sep 05 01:04 |
| schestowitz | I will have many posts about that soon, with new info | Sep 05 01:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes | Sep 05 01:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | I just can't watch this. http://techrights.org/2010/09/03/fedora-site-redesign/#Clip | Sep 05 01:47 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Links 3/9/2010: Wine 1.3.2, Great Fedora Site Redesign | Techrights .::. Size~: 122.48 KB | Sep 05 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | opera doesn't want to load the plugin for it | Sep 05 01:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: thanks for the ur1.ca tip. works better than bit.ly for me too | Sep 05 01:52 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: sigh. 'Anti-war protesters hurled shoes and eggs at Tony Blair on Saturday' | Sep 05 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: 'Anti-war protesters' | Sep 05 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: note, they have to specify what species of protestor we are dealing with. | Sep 05 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and that these are PROTESTORS | Sep 05 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: not, for example, angry constituents | Sep 05 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: or HUMAN BEINGS | Sep 05 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | but no, | Sep 05 06:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're marginalised down to 'Anti-war protesters' | Sep 05 06:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'not us' | Sep 05 06:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'not ordinary people' | Sep 05 06:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is how it works... | Sep 05 06:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'some group of freaks' | Sep 05 06:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'malcontents' | Sep 05 06:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'revocation of French nationality for immigrants found guilty of attacking police officers' !!!!! | Sep 05 06:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | how soon before it's revocation of UK nationality for citizens found guilty of throwing objects at ex-Prime Ministers | Sep 05 06:36 |
| schestowitz | [06:33] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: 'Anti-war protesters' | Sep 05 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Peace activists? | Sep 05 07:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. not normal people. | Sep 05 07:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | weirdos. | Sep 05 07:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | who should be monitored | Sep 05 07:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | suppressed | Sep 05 07:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | avoided | Sep 05 07:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | shunned | Sep 05 07:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | discredited | Sep 05 07:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're dangerous | Sep 05 07:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you touch them you might catch their disease | Sep 05 07:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | cast them out | Sep 05 07:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're violating social norms | Sep 05 07:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're attacking an upright man of peace | Sep 05 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Depends how they get the message across | Sep 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | But they can always focus on fringe | Sep 05 07:24 |
| schestowitz | Or put agent provocateurs out there for the cameras | Sep 05 07:25 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes they just exist among anarchist groups (another type), so you lump them together with the rest | Sep 05 07:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | g20 | Sep 05 07:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | zzz | Sep 05 07:28 |
| *FurnaceBoy has to go to bed | Sep 05 07:28 | |
| *FurnaceBoy has quit (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.3) | Sep 05 07:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.thewrap.com/media/article/future-shock-your-house-arcade-fire-video-20518 | Sep 05 07:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Future Shock: Your House Is in an Arcade Fire Video | TheWrap.com .::. Size~: 43.91 KB | Sep 05 07:36 |
| schestowitz | http://googlewatch.eweek.com/content/google_vs_facebook/hollywood_could_have_a_blast_with_googles_story.html | Sep 05 08:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Google Watch - Google vs. Facebook - Hollywood Could Have a Blast with Google's Story .::. Size~: 54.06 KB | Sep 05 08:01 |
| oiaohm | http://www.zentyal.org/ Ebox platform has changed names schestowitz | Sep 05 08:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Zentyal - The Linux Small Business Server .::. Size~: 11.84 KB | Sep 05 08:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: ahhh | Sep 05 08:34 |
| schestowitz | Expected... :-) | Sep 05 08:34 |
| schestowitz | I thought they'd fear trademarks | Sep 05 08:34 |
| schestowitz | If imported to the US | Sep 05 08:35 |
| schestowitz | ITC and all... | Sep 05 08:35 |
| schestowitz | hehe. http://www.padgadget.com/2010/08/27/the-kids-version-of-warren-buffetts-life-story/ | Sep 05 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The Kids Version of Warren Buffetts Life Story | PadGadget .::. Size~: 37.75 KB | Sep 05 09:13 |
| schestowitz | Robber barons for toddlers... | Sep 05 09:13 |
| oiaohm | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/09/04/2045212/Nasty-Data-Stealing-Bug-Haunts-Internet-Explorer-8 OK when will MS learn to patch | Sep 05 09:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | Nasty Data-Stealing Bug Haunts Internet Explorer 8 .::. Size~: 135.34 KB | Sep 05 09:57 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 5 12:21:58 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 05 12:21 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell | Sep 05 12:21 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Sep 05 12:21 | |
| schestowitz | LOL | Sep 05 12:56 |
| schestowitz | http://venturebeat.com/2010/08/25/microsoft-accidentally-releases-new-internet-explorer-9-screenshot-and-details/ | Sep 05 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft accidentally releases new Internet Explorer 9 screenshot and details | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 49.35 KB | Sep 05 12:56 |
| schestowitz | Accidentally? | Sep 05 12:56 |
| schestowitz | What a bunch of BS | Sep 05 12:57 |
| schestowitz | Later they said that they pretty much stages it on the face of it | Sep 05 12:57 |
| schestowitz | *staged | Sep 05 12:57 |
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| schestowitz | Hi, FurnaceBoy | Sep 05 16:54 |
| schestowitz | <FurnaceBoy> the hardest part is finding subtexts | Sep 05 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Pretexts? | Sep 05 16:55 |
| schestowitz | I went to bed last night before I could reply to you | Sep 05 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | pretexts, yes. my bad. | Sep 05 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | g'day | Sep 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz | I was not ignoring and it was too late to respond in the morning | Sep 05 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ha | Sep 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz | I scrolled up cause I knew there was something urgent I wanted to respond with | Sep 05 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Alas, can't recall it now | Sep 05 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | well | Sep 05 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | ya know that deliberate distancing of 'us' from 'anti-war protesters' really irks | Sep 05 16:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | like, aren't they angered constituents? | Sep 05 16:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | aren't *we* | Sep 05 16:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | didn't *we* pay for it in blood and treasure | Sep 05 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | not blair | Sep 05 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | he got more and MOAR treasure | Sep 05 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | 15 mln quid a year more | Sep 05 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'yeh a few weirdos threw stuff at Blair in Dublin, but don't worry, they arrested them' | Sep 05 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's something really subliminal going on here, not an original observation, but a reminder of how wikileaks might be the last hope | Sep 05 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | same thing @ g20 | Sep 05 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | editor of major Canuck magazine labelled EVERYONE who marched 'sociopaths'. | Sep 05 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I don't know the difference between the big G's so much | Sep 05 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | i.e. the right thing is 'stay at home, turn on the tv, it's all you need to know or do.' | Sep 05 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Nope | Sep 05 17:00 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I have many good posts coming | Sep 05 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Studying Gates for years leads me increasingly to broader picture | Sep 05 17:00 |
| schestowitz | it's not just his, obviously | Sep 05 17:00 |
| schestowitz | But I get to understand better what they do and where to get the evidence to present for it | Sep 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Does Canada disregard Labor [sic] Day BTW | Sep 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | G20... Watts | Sep 05 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't know | Sep 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | People need to unite around this | Sep 05 17:01 |
| schestowitz | The world's rich people join forces | Sep 05 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Whereas the people are being isolated | Sep 05 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 05 17:02 |
| schestowitz | civil war of minds | Sep 05 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | the rich have more and better weapons now | Sep 05 17:02 |
| schestowitz | "Protestors" vs "good citizens" | Sep 05 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | area denial, tasers, sound cannon | Sep 05 17:02 |
| schestowitz | In reality, protestors are "good citizens" who wwork for the rest | Sep 05 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Filling up the gaps (time, effort, personal sacrifice) | Sep 05 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. that's what really pisses me off about Dublin | Sep 05 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I had arguments with people who misunderstand Techrights | Sep 05 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | these are the people who were betrayed by Blair too | Sep 05 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Even people who used to attack me | Sep 05 17:03 |
| schestowitz | They no longer attack me, they not support our work | Sep 05 17:03 |
| schestowitz | The FSF is now being painted as militant | Sep 05 17:03 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: watch this new video (don't mind the title bait): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ9RQZTxrxo | Sep 05 17:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 05 17:05 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/11/04/smears-and-godwin-2-0/ | Sep 05 17:05 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Godwin 2.0 | Techrights .::. Size~: 107.13 KB | Sep 05 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm.. odd. "This video is not available in your country due to terms-of-use violation." | Sep 05 17:06 |
| schestowitz | It worked some days ago | Sep 05 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they didn't like the title? | Sep 05 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Also doesn't work in the US | Sep 05 17:06 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy/others do me a favour try the YoUTube URL | Sep 05 17:06 |
| schestowitz | Maybe YouTube unnecessarily censors | Sep 05 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | works here | Sep 05 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, somebody complained | Sep 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Canada? | Sep 05 17:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | ja | Sep 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Let me check from Ireland | Sep 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Works in Ireland | Sep 05 17:07 |
| schestowitz | Wuss effect | Sep 05 17:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | you'll have to translate that video for me. | Sep 05 17:11 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 05 17:11 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Sep 05 17:11 |
| schestowitz | It's against people being labelled terrorists | Sep 05 17:11 |
| schestowitz | To justify ignoring | Sep 05 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | hmm | Sep 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Not just killing | Sep 05 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | i didn't get that clearly | Sep 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | You know Godwin's Law, right? | Sep 05 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Sep 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Basically, a year ago I saw people evading it | Sep 05 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Using other connotations that are more recent and shocking/chilling | Sep 05 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | well yeah... | Sep 05 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'Taliban lover' | Sep 05 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've been called such things | Sep 05 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'Muslim lover' | Sep 05 17:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | Muslim has been equated to Nazi by american brownshirts (thanks Rupert! check's in the mail!) | Sep 05 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Arabs even | Sep 05 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Although there is an almost one-to-one correspondence there, the race is not a religion | Sep 05 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Many religions have that done to them | Sep 05 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Like assuming that US=Christian | Sep 05 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Or Chinese=Communist | Sep 05 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Russia=drunk Christian | Sep 05 17:23 |
| schestowitz | ANd so on... | Sep 05 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Oh. | Sep 05 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Or that Semite=Hebrew=Jewish=Israel | Sep 05 17:23 |
| schestowitz | Basically the notion that US citizen=support war is Iraq is largely debunked | Sep 05 17:23 |
| schestowitz | People who have friends/family in the States know this | Sep 05 17:24 |
| schestowitz | That Bush regime=hawk/power-hungry, disparity wrt to electing population, even despite brainwash | Sep 05 17:24 |
| schestowitz | The whole Jihad/expansionism/white supremacy/zionism BS is used when you want to collectively dismiss groups | Sep 05 17:25 |
| schestowitz | Like say that _ALL_ Muslims/Arabs want Sharia law | Sep 05 17:25 |
| schestowitz | When in fact many are moderates who treat women equally | Sep 05 17:26 |
| schestowitz | The last thing they would want is return to barbarism (which Sharia isn't, that's another story) | Sep 05 17:26 |
| schestowitz | "return to barbarism" (Scholtz, FUD) | Sep 05 17:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz | Basically the notion that US citizen=support war is Iraq is largely debunked <-- long ago, I'd have thought | Sep 05 17:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | but, | Sep 05 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | initially they did | Sep 05 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | the great majority did | Sep 05 17:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is true nowhere else but israel | Sep 05 17:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | and if not for the recession, probably a majority still would | Sep 05 17:30 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Would what? | Sep 05 17:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm not following | Sep 05 17:34 |
| schestowitz | The enlightened world is usually self-critical; it's usually when brutes take power that they imprison, prosecute, drive away, silence or evil kill those who dare to question 'their' country (their books too may later be burned, i.e. silencing/elimination of one's past too) | Sep 05 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Remember how the dark ages suppressed rather than rewarded some progress | Sep 05 17:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if not for the recession a majority would probably still support the iraq war. | Sep 05 17:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: never underestimate the profound confusion down there | Sep 05 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: on another note, Arianna's editorials are getting more and more offensive | Sep 05 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | she's going on a book tour | Sep 05 17:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't think this will endear herself to the victims of economic warfare | Sep 05 17:45 |
| schestowitz | She can get PR | Sep 05 17:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | they don't exactly need a book to tell them they're borderline homeless, and unemployed | Sep 05 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Like her mate Bill | Sep 05 17:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | the self-PR is disgusting | Sep 05 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Got broke? | Sep 05 17:45 |
| schestowitz | No house? | Sep 05 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | why'd you write the book, Arianna? | Sep 05 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Buy my book | Sep 05 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Discounted at $29.99 :-) | Sep 05 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. Buy My Book. Fund My Book Tours. | Sep 05 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'At least I am doing something for the poor people.' | Sep 05 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | another Friedman | Sep 05 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Bill is doing many tours too | Sep 05 17:46 |
| schestowitz | He's a real snake | Sep 05 17:46 |
| schestowitz | African starts to keep on his tail | Sep 05 17:46 |
| schestowitz | More resentment | Sep 05 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Sep 05 17:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | Arianna will sow resentment. | Sep 05 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Uncle Bill is Uncle Tom | Sep 05 17:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | the ties between her and the establishment that deleted the middle class, are not hard to uncover | Sep 05 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Rich people stoop down to poor people | Sep 05 17:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | scatter some candy | Sep 05 17:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | some fine words | Sep 05 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Think of Melinda the fluffer holding black babies | Sep 05 17:47 |
| schestowitz | For the cameras | Sep 05 17:47 |
| schestowitz | Later they grab a wet wipe and clean up | Sep 05 17:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | no siht | Sep 05 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Back to Kirkland on a private jet | Sep 05 17:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | privilege stinks | Sep 05 17:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, i thought yuo meant the mother of the baby | Sep 05 17:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'd certainly be wiping the stench of privilege off the kid | Sep 05 17:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, Melinda + Cherie + Arianna | Sep 05 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Melicheranna | Sep 05 17:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | Arianna: 'Together we can take action to rebuild the middle class and restore the American Dream.' | Sep 05 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | see, they still don't want to wake up. | Sep 05 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'Bring the dream back! reality sucks!' | Sep 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: where will that position Arianna? | Sep 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Like Gates and schools... | Sep 05 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | Arianna will never risk her 'position'. | Sep 05 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | ever. | Sep 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "I want to make kids smart [with me at the very top] | Sep 05 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's the curious thing about these people. they never change. | Sep 05 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Minister/czar | Sep 05 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe it's what GOre VIdal meant when he said, 'there are no second Acts in American lives.' | Sep 05 17:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | I am increasingly uncomfortable with Arianna's role in all this. | Sep 05 17:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | she's looking more and more like a Marie-Antoinette | Sep 05 17:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm not sure this fence will bear the weight of her sitting on it much longer | Sep 05 17:58 |
| schestowitz | I don't think she is the main problem | Sep 05 17:59 |
| schestowitz | I play along with you on it, but she's a facilitator more than a conspirator | Sep 05 17:59 |
| schestowitz | She's far less of a vehicle than big media companies | Sep 05 17:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | she's not the main problem, but her role is increasingly insupportable | Sep 05 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | right now, she's getting away with it | Sep 05 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | but this Third World AMerica business crosses the line | Sep 05 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | here's another angle | Sep 05 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | the idea is supposedly to act as facilitator, yes. | Sep 05 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | as a catalyst for change.. like obama.. | Sep 05 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's all very familiar | Sep 05 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | but the problem is | Sep 05 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | why Arianna | Sep 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz | But what's her motive? | Sep 05 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like: Education Minister - why Bill? | Sep 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure she's trying to help | Sep 05 18:02 |
| schestowitz | She thinks she does | Sep 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Gates does too | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, she thinks she does. most dangerous kind. | Sep 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | But they also help themselves | Sep 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | They know this | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, I don't think Gates thinks he's helping. he never needed to. | Sep 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | But they deny this, even to themselves | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | deep denial. | Sep 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Patting oneself on the shoulder | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | but i don't think Arianna and Gates are so similar | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | personally | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean, we have to ask, Why Arianna? | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Why Gore? | Sep 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Hitler too thought he was helping | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Why Michael Moore? (as many asked) | Sep 05 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Not to touch Godwin's law here | Sep 05 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: better example. Ayn Rand thought she was helping. | Sep 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz | He served his dogma but found excuses for himself, I think | Sep 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Like leaning on religion, eugenics, etc | Sep 05 18:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | but, | Sep 05 18:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | most of these people are batshit insane. | Sep 05 18:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | Hitler, Rand, Gates | Sep 05 18:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | Arianna isn't insane | Sep 05 18:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | but she's very very confused | Sep 05 18:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | and may be walking into a guillotine | Sep 05 18:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | either she's very confused, or she's very dangerous | Sep 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz | COnfused yes | Sep 05 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Cause she wants to help those who need help | Sep 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | but she's helping exploiters | Sep 05 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I don't buy it. | Sep 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | That's where the $$$+power comes from | Sep 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Without them, she's be nothing | Sep 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | *'d | Sep 05 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I really don't buy that she's "confused". | Sep 05 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: is Cherie Blair confused? | Sep 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | So she wants to help the same group whose subjugators she practically helps too | Sep 05 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did somebody not tell her where the 15 million quid she lives off, comes from? | Sep 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Like the FSF taking money from some blob companies | Sep 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Like IBM | Sep 05 18:05 |
| schestowitz | But with the FSF they can claim no influence | Sep 05 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists like Microsoft FLorian take advantage of that | Sep 05 18:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Why Al Gore? | Sep 05 18:06 |
| schestowitz | When we had Gogle AdSense in Techrightsa the trolls used this as FUD too | Sep 05 18:06 |
| schestowitz | As if we controlled ads that got displayed | Sep 05 18:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Americans don't traditionally like being helped by the 'elites' | Sep 05 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Some do | Sep 05 18:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: AL Gore: Establishment Liberal. Arianna: Establishment LIberal. | Sep 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | The brainwashed | Sep 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Who read Time | Sep 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Articles by Gates' circle about how he saves the world of whatever | Sep 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | it's the glue of society... adhesive for classes | Sep 05 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | does he own The Economist yet? | Sep 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | Not that I know of | Sep 05 18:07 |
| schestowitz | They don't seem to play ball for him | Sep 05 18:08 |
| schestowitz | I read thousands of articles, I don't think they touch him | Sep 05 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Neither good nor bad even though eonomics is what he's all about | Sep 05 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | they must be part of obstructionist Old Europe then. The stone in his shoe. | Sep 05 18:08 |
| schestowitz | The glamous comes to him from Forbes/Fortune | Sep 05 18:08 |
| schestowitz | *glamour | Sep 05 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 05 18:08 |
| schestowitz | They thrive in their stupid lists and stuff | Sep 05 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | and that ridiculous thing you linked me to | Sep 05 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | sycophantic | Sep 05 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | see... Arianna is blaming the 'White House' for not acting | Sep 05 18:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | for not saving the middle class | Sep 05 18:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | dangerous game | Sep 05 18:09 |
| schestowitz | White House?!?! | Sep 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 05 18:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 05 18:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's her premise | Sep 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Talk about finger-pointing | Sep 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Then there's the Fed | Sep 05 18:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | she's "they're not doing enough. so I'm going on a book tour to convince you to do something, you the downtrodden; | Sep 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz | Chomsky has good analysis of thios | Sep 05 18:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's right there on their front page now | Sep 05 18:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | top left, in her pulpit | Sep 05 18:10 |
| schestowitz | How those establishments are the shadow cast upon the public by Big Business | Sep 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | They are like 'fronts' | Sep 05 18:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | Great metaphor!! | Sep 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | And they have no qwuartedrly profit/brand to defend | Sep 05 18:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's exactly right! | Sep 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | It's like MPAA | Sep 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Or RIAA | Sep 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Cuirse them all you want | Sep 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Or BSA for software | Sep 05 18:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, the 'enforcement division' | Sep 05 18:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | legally separate | Sep 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Their brand doesn't need to sell anything | Sep 05 18:11 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft does this for PR too | Sep 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Marketing kept isolated | Sep 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Blame "bad reps" for AstroTurfing blunders | Sep 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Techrights has a good index of those | Sep 05 18:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-27/blackrock-s-stattman-joins-miller-betting-on-large-stocks-as-growth-slows.html | Sep 05 18:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: BlackRock's Stattman Joins Miller Betting on Large Stocks as Growth Slows - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 62.4 KB | Sep 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz | "Dennis Stattman manages $65 billion in global equities and bonds for BlackRock Inc. " | Sep 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz | He look familiar | Sep 05 18:16 |
| schestowitz | http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2010/09/03/europe-shares-hit-wk-high-payrolls-awaited/ | Sep 05 18:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: FOXBusiness.com - Europe shares hit 3-wk high; US payrolls awaited .::. Size~: 69.19 KB | Sep 05 18:22 |
| schestowitz | *LOL* | Sep 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | You'll love this: | Sep 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | [18:17] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [harishpillay/@harishpillay] How true! Friedman about what is wrong with the Singapore system (from 6;55 to 8:09) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCNPl322EZA&NR=1 #fb | Sep 05 18:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube- Tom Friedman Interview Reut Conference (3) .::. Size~: 83.73 KB | Sep 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Add #techrights to autojoin | Sep 05 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe respond to @harishpillay in identica | Sep 05 18:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, i end up polluting it with politics :) | Sep 05 18:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that would mean watching the video | Sep 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | That's OK in a way | Sep 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | He looks different now | Sep 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Still covering his mouth with hair though | Sep 05 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok i'll see how much of it i can stand | Sep 05 18:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | just for you, schestowitz | Sep 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | And uses his hands to animate... I don't know what... just flaps a lot | Sep 05 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Praises NYT... boosting | Sep 05 18:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course | Sep 05 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | all of these valuable institutions | Sep 05 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | doing the best they can | Sep 05 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | valiant | Sep 05 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | working for the good of humanity | Sep 05 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | knight in shining armour | Sep 05 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Lady Libety | Sep 05 18:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | rty* | Sep 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | One vision of it | Sep 05 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | the lamp of freedom | Sep 05 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's his vision, schestowitz. the consensus vision. | Sep 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | "Why so angry !!" | Sep 05 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | like Arianna and Gates, he's beyond self-delusion | Sep 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | He is | Sep 05 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's so invested in this lie, there;s no going back | Sep 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | He has money | Sep 05 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 05 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | all those good books. | Sep 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | He got it right in life | Sep 05 18:35 |
| schestowitz | That's why he has money | Sep 05 18:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, the winning team. | Sep 05 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | he only backs winners, schestowitz | Sep 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Or is it the other way around? Circular logic | Sep 05 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | he was an Iraq war booster. as was/is the NYT. | Sep 05 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | caught red handed | Sep 05 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | mock apology | Sep 05 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Self righteousness | Sep 05 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'if you're not with us, you're against us' | Sep 05 18:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | = definition of consensus group | Sep 05 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Iraq was against | Sep 05 18:37 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 05 18:37 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 05 18:37 |
| schestowitz | They likes Saddam a while beforehand | Sep 05 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | to oppose the war was to define yourself in opposition to all the white knights like Friedman, Rumsfeld (that tireless worker!) | Sep 05 18:37 |
| schestowitz | s/likes/liked/ | Sep 05 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure they liked Saddam. | Sep 05 18:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | Saddam was just a symbol they could paint whatever colour they liked | Sep 05 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Odd use of the word "community' http://www.marketwatch.com/story/microsoft-announces-upcoming-events-with-the-financial-community-2010-08-31?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Sep 05 18:41 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft Announces Upcoming Events with the Financial Community - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 61.93 KB | Sep 05 18:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: maybe it's an 'ecosystem' too | Sep 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Not good for real ecoystems though | Sep 05 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Oblivious to them | Sep 05 18:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | competition :) | Sep 05 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | literally | Sep 05 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'why should the frogs have that land, there's oil under it.' | Sep 05 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | fuck frogs | Sep 05 18:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | commerce and nature are in competition | Sep 05 18:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | free market dipshits won't face this truth | Sep 05 18:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | they want to abandon ALL regulation , ALL tax | Sep 05 18:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | can you believe it? | Sep 05 18:44 |
| schestowitz | YEs | Sep 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz That's awesome! Oddly—even frighteningly so—when I renewed my driver license this year, they didn't do the simple sight check." http://identi.ca/conversation/48625675#notice-49019506 | Sep 05 18:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.12 KB | Sep 05 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Morales is nice | Sep 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | "If I happened to have developed poor vision, I'd be a road hazard w/ a freshly printed license. Hmm, I should write the DMV…" | Sep 05 18:47 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/48627188#notice-49021342 "No kidding. Censorship through inconvenience plus monopolistic business edge in one fell swoop." | Sep 05 18:48 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.49 KB | Sep 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/48625675#notice-49020011 "v" | Sep 05 18:48 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.12 KB | Sep 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz That's awesome! Oddly—even frighteningly so—when I renewed my driver license this year, they didn't do the simple sight check." | Sep 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: why don't you dent anything? | Sep 05 18:48 |
| schestowitz | I reckon you still just tweet | Sep 05 18:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's true, old habits die hard | Sep 05 18:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'll try and change | Sep 05 18:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | but i have many friends on twitter | Sep 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | That does not affect it | Sep 05 18:49 |
| schestowitz | The replies get chained anyway | Sep 05 18:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Sep 05 18:51 |
| schestowitz | "create job" propaganda | Sep 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.thegovmonitor.com/world_news/united_states/microsoft-to-invest-499-million-in-virginia-create-50-new-jobs-37772.html | Sep 05 19:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft To Invest $499 Million In Virginia, Create 50 New Jobs | Gov Monitor .::. Size~: 64.82 KB | Sep 05 19:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | ouch | Sep 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | $10 million per job? | Sep 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | :-D | Sep 05 19:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's one of the most backward states | Sep 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Create job for loggers too | Sep 05 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Lots of energy required | Sep 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | For something that won't be used (bong) | Sep 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Or used to deceive | Sep 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Filtering results for agenda | Sep 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | why is it "backward"? | Sep 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I was there and liked it | Sep 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | But it seems to harbour bad people | Sep 05 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Those who lobby nearby in DC | Sep 05 19:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's one of the 'poor' states. like Louisiana, Tennessee, etc | Sep 05 19:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Alabama | Sep 05 19:56 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: come to #techrights | Sep 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | We talk about these areas there | Sep 05 19:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm doing other stuff, trying not to get distracted :| | Sep 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | OK | Sep 05 19:58 |
| MinceR | you already are ;) | Sep 05 19:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100904101642564 | Sep 05 20:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Groklaw - A Peek Behind the Curtain of the Texas Antitrust Complaints against Google .::. Size~: 81.63 KB | Sep 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Scumosoft? | Sep 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Gotta see it | Sep 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | She beat me to it | Sep 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | Damn | Sep 05 20:00 |
| schestowitz | I had a long article lined up | Sep 05 20:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: damn! | Sep 05 20:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | you're right! | Sep 05 20:01 |
| schestowitz | More Trash for trash (VS) http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/082710-microsoft-visual-studio-users-get.html?hpg1=bn | Sep 05 20:03 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 05 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Microsoft Visual Studio users get Flash development capabilities .::. Size~: 99.05 KB | Sep 05 20:03 |
| schestowitz | http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_15978399?nclick_check=1 "Shares of Digital River Inc. rose 8.9 percent Thursday after the e-commerce outfit revealed it had won a major contract to run Microsoft's online store, but the financial impact of the contract itself probably wasn't as important as the psychological message it sent to investors, analysts said. " | Sep 05 21:06 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Digital River gets a break - TwinCities.com .::. Size~: 75.22 KB | Sep 05 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | :< | Sep 05 21:22 |
| *schestowitz has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Sep 05 21:38 | |
| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 5 21:44:24 2010 | ||
| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Sep 05 21:44 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell | Sep 05 21:44 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Sep 05 21:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6hnT1VTcek | Sep 05 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube- A Chat About Disrespectful Atheism (Part 2) .::. Size~: 94.63 KB | Sep 05 23:41 |
| schestowitz | "It's easy to make free tools, it's very hard to make free infrastructure which is what the repository services offer." http://twitter.com/Codepope/status/23072320728 | Sep 05 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Dj Walker-Morgan: @schestowitz It's easy to ... .::. Size~: 11.98 KB | Sep 05 23:46 |
| schestowitz | "An FSF funded and managed project hosting platform could go a long way to solving that problem though." http://twitter.com/Codepope/status/23072410264 | Sep 05 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Dj Walker-Morgan: @schestowitz An FSF funded ... .::. Size~: 11.95 KB | Sep 05 23:46 |
| schestowitz | indeed | Sep 05 23:48 |
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