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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:18:26 2010 | Sep 07 00:17 | |
| FurnaceBoy | back | Sep 07 00:48 |
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| FurnaceBoy | yeah, no shit sherlock. what didn't fit they fabricated. | Sep 07 00:48 |
| schestowitz | It's good that we find out now | Sep 07 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Seen the library stunt? | Sep 07 01:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we aren't just finding out NOW. | Sep 07 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this was 1) suspected at the time 2) has been leaking out gradually for years | Sep 07 01:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | Plus, there is Chilcott | Sep 07 01:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | recent, but contains plenty of testimony | Sep 07 01:29 |
| schestowitz | He won't be arrested | Sep 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | he has too much power | Sep 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | even opposition leader say "move on" | Sep 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | He managed to have it "Age" | Sep 07 02:27 |
| schestowitz | Like Microsoft had its crimes become "old" and thus "don't matter" | Sep 07 02:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: don't look backwards | Sep 07 02:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if only every criminal had this privilege. | Sep 07 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Oh, I killed him YESTERDAY. Why are you bothering me about it TODAY?" | Sep 07 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | enforcing the law is so BACKWARDS. | Sep 07 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Britain is ready to move on."--Cameron | Sep 07 02:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Blair is certainly ready to keep banking his 15 mln pound pension for being a good and loyal servant. | Sep 07 02:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu/photo/707633 | Sep 07 02:45 |
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| schestowitz | Blair and Africa | Sep 07 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Pulling a Thatcher's son | Sep 07 02:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, what a piece of work | Sep 07 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Blair's Splodge of wonga | Sep 07 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Hey Mark, here's how you do it." | Sep 07 02:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Collaborate with the real rulers." | Sep 07 02:47 |
| schestowitz | gn | Sep 07 02:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | n8 | Sep 07 02:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the Assange story is on /. | Sep 07 03:42 |
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| MinceR | http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/default.aspx?id=8a90dbdb-b4b0-4751-bbca-8bc7fd40651b | Sep 07 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | I dont' get it | Sep 07 10:31 |
| schestowitz | http://barackobama666com.blogspot.com/2010/09/barack-obama-where-is-our.html | Sep 07 10:31 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: BarackObama666: Barack Obama, Where Is Our Constitutional Right To Due Process .::. Size~: 108.61 KB | Sep 07 10:31 |
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| schestowitz | Hmmm... maybe it's not just NewsWeek now: http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/09/06/1827240/WikiLeaks-Calls-For-Assange-To-Step-Down | Sep 07 10:41 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Slashdot News Story | WikiLeaks Calls For Assange To Step Down .::. Size~: 186.2 KB | Sep 07 10:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w | Sep 07 12:12 |
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| schestowitz | Oops. | Sep 07 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:02] <JellyKernel> hi | Sep 07 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:02] <JellyKernel> Do you know SparkleShare ? | Sep 07 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:03] <JellyKernel> An open source alternative to Dropbox | Sep 07 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:03] <JellyKernel> Was about to install it, so I first opened the readme file. And found this in it: | Sep 07 12:12 |
| schestowitz | [12:03] <JellyKernel> Frequently Asked Question ========================= Q: Why is it written in Mono/C#? A: Because I hate freedom. | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:04] <schestowitz> Whoa | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:04] <schestowitz> I didn't know | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:05] <JellyKernel> yep the beta for linux just came out | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:05] <JellyKernel> let me give you the link | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:05] <JellyKernel> chrome://downloads/home/jelly/Bureau/sparkleshare-0.2-beta1.tar.gz | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:05] <JellyKernel> oups | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:06] <JellyKernel> http://sparkleshare.org/sparkleshare-0.2-beta1.tar.gz | Sep 07 12:13 |
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| schestowitz | [12:06] <JellyKernel> thats the one | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:07] <schestowitz> I didn't know it was c# | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:08] <schestowitz> Just won't mention it again | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz |  | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:08] <JellyKernel> yeah i was very surprise too... | Sep 07 12:13 |
| schestowitz | [12:09] <JellyKernel> see ya | Sep 07 12:13 |
| MinceR | http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/stupidis5.png | Sep 07 12:16 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 07 12:23 |
| MinceR | "If there were no religion how could morons be identified?" | Sep 07 12:38 |
| schestowitz | http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2010/08/banshee-gnome.html | Sep 07 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | Mono boosting | Sep 07 12:40 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: reversed | Sep 07 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Sadly | Sep 07 12:40 |
| schestowitz | You'd think there would be a 'Darwinian' test for reproduction | Sep 07 12:41 |
| schestowitz | But better informed people know that the planet needs fewer births, not more | Sep 07 12:41 |
| schestowitz | We're like 100000% overpopulated and consume a lot per unit | Sep 07 12:41 |
| schestowitz | For space exploration and stuff we need to conserve energy and better allocate roles | Sep 07 12:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Sep 07 12:42 |
| schestowitz | I've come across people who say we're doomed but are not willing to do something about it; more so, they discourage those who do | Sep 07 12:43 |
| schestowitz | http://nmarques.digitalwhores.net/2010/09/01/guerrilla-marketing-something-fun/ | Sep 07 12:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Guerrilla Marketing: something fun& : nmarques .::. Size~: 9.4 KB | Sep 07 12:44 |
| oiaohm | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Fedora-conference-in-Switzerland-next-week-1074014.html << I like the name of the conf | Sep 07 13:15 |
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| schestowitz | Mandriva: "Rare, but I can't understand why evolution replaced claws" http://twitter.com/dcatdemon/status/23227197028 | Sep 07 13:52 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: same as always | Sep 07 13:53 |
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| schestowitz | Hi | Sep 07 14:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | hi | Sep 07 14:53 |
| schestowitz | I see the whole quran burning debate now | Sep 07 14:54 |
| schestowitz | In identica too | Sep 07 14:54 |
| schestowitz | It's like Draw Mo Day another notch up | Sep 07 14:54 |
| schestowitz | It's just paper people have an attachment to | Sep 07 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Like it's someone's grave | Sep 07 14:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | just the right wing controlling attention | Sep 07 14:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | same w/ 'mosque' near 'ground zero' | Sep 07 14:57 |
| schestowitz | YEah | Sep 07 14:59 |
| schestowitz | They need another enemy | Sep 07 14:59 |
| schestowitz | They made Osama (Obama) a "Muslin" | Sep 07 14:59 |
| schestowitz | They made Osama (Obama) a "Muslim" | Sep 07 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Now Becklin need to provoke Muslims and then call Obama part of the problem | Sep 07 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Like they took his words out of context when he spoke about the community centre (I think they broke fast in the white house) | Sep 07 15:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | they don't need another enemy yet | Sep 07 15:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | they can probably get another 100 years out of demonising muslims | Sep 07 15:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'the enemy that never runs out' | Sep 07 15:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | they know it's a really good pick for the Perpetual War adversary | Sep 07 15:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | there aren't many good picks left | Sep 07 15:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you see the way the Assange story was presented on /. ? | Sep 07 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Did you watch The Powerof Nightmares | Sep 07 15:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Sep 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | About how they always pick enemies to gain power? | Sep 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Amassing | Sep 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Isolationism | Sep 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Like religions | Sep 07 15:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: we've always been at war with Oceania | Sep 07 15:06 |
| schestowitz | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2798679275960015727 | Sep 07 15:07 |
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| schestowitz | 3 part, BBC | Sep 07 15:07 |
| schestowitz | One of their best documentaries I've watched | Sep 07 15:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you could see the 'mosque' beat-up as a natural chapter prior to the 'quran' thing. | Sep 07 15:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | the first was necessary to the second | Sep 07 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | and the 'quran' thing is designed , transparently to provoke outrage | Sep 07 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 07 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | so what could the agenda *possibly* be | Sep 07 15:21 |
| *FurnaceBoy scratches head | Sep 07 15:21 | |
| FurnaceBoy | dang, i can't figure it out! | Sep 07 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | gosh and darn those IRANIANS | Sep 07 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I recently learned about an apparent distortion about the community centre inaugurated on 9/11 | Sep 07 15:21 |
| schestowitz | I wonder who drives this exaggeration | Sep 07 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a necessary counter measure | Sep 07 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's insurance | Sep 07 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a whole bunch of things, all win for the MIC | Sep 07 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | distraction, fervour, confusion | Sep 07 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | people get used to falsehoods | Sep 07 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | the American public thrives on not much else | Sep 07 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'tell us more, Mr Beck' | Sep 07 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | and when Beck show ends, they're still on FOX | Sep 07 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | these fluff issues are foam injected to fill a cavity | Sep 07 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | without them, people might think | Sep 07 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'liberal elitists' have a chance then to inject something | Sep 07 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 07 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | but not as long as the Beck/Palin noise machine never lets up | Sep 07 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "Those rich liberals" | Sep 07 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | and, amplified by HuffPo, which takes all its leads from FOX | Sep 07 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "Look at them living in their castles" | Sep 07 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | exactly, schestowitz | Sep 07 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | a sleight of hand | Sep 07 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "Now watch poor Glenn... only $10 million/year from foaming off the mouth" | Sep 07 15:24 |
| schestowitz | *at | Sep 07 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | EXACTLY. | Sep 07 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | while all his viewers' trailers are being foreclosed. | Sep 07 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Trailers... I thought you meant movie trailers at first | Sep 07 15:25 |
| schestowitz | I noticed some smart people starting to cite Rush | Sep 07 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | i was just thinking for the millionth time this morning, what happens when all the Tea Party twits figure out they've been enlisted to meticulously carry out the oligarchy's agenda | Sep 07 15:26 |
| schestowitz | That worried me | Sep 07 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | they probably never will. | Sep 07 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | they'll go forth and kill first | Sep 07 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's the trick | Sep 07 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | you have to make them waste themselves for you before they figure out the con | Sep 07 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | strategy of monarchs | Sep 07 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | dead people don't rethink. but you have to get them to kill for you first. | Sep 07 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | expendable | Sep 07 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | a nation of Lee Harvey Oswalds | Sep 07 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | the psyops are now cable tv.. | Sep 07 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | mass production | Sep 07 15:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe internet to be | Sep 07 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Although it's coupled | Sep 07 15:29 |
| schestowitz | tv moves to tcp/ip | Sep 07 15:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | whatever works. Murdoch is already moving in here | Sep 07 15:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | FOX Mobile | Sep 07 15:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not as if he'd 'forget' | Sep 07 15:29 |
| schestowitz | He might | Sep 07 15:31 |
| schestowitz | He kids would not | Sep 07 15:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | they can see demographic problems w/ FOX | Sep 07 15:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | tea partistas are old, white | Sep 07 15:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're missing a couple of generations younger | Sep 07 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | young ppl seem to be politically disengaged | Sep 07 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | but islam will galvanise them | Sep 07 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | beheadings, nose jobs, all that crap | Sep 07 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | teenagers will soon fall into line | Sep 07 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | "This is your war, son." | Sep 07 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | "This is your time. We had the Nazis. You have *this*." | Sep 07 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Honour your country, son" | Sep 07 15:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | white feathers | Sep 07 15:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | blah blah blah | Sep 07 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Older people tend to be more closed-minded | Sep 07 15:36 |
| schestowitz | I've been told so many times anyway | Sep 07 15:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | less malleable | Sep 07 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | fixed in their ways | Sep 07 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | opinions | Sep 07 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's what bothers me | Sep 07 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | only a tiny minority of people are prepared to act from principle | Sep 07 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | activists are embarrassing | Sep 07 15:38 |
| schestowitz | But the world does not change until the older generation dies | Sep 07 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | even not having a tv is embarrassing | Sep 07 15:38 |
| schestowitz | In science too | Sep 07 15:38 |
| schestowitz | Old practices die when the elders retire | Sep 07 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | i wish it were so easy. | Sep 07 15:38 |
| schestowitz | HoDs and such stuff | Sep 07 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | corporations have changed that. | Sep 07 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | they outlive people | Sep 07 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | the interests being advanced here are corporate interets | Sep 07 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | Beard Man said, 'you're fighting for OIL' | Sep 07 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | but he was not quite correct | Sep 07 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | the interests are far broader than just oil... | Sep 07 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oil, after all, runs out. | Sep 07 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | somebody said once, that most of us work for 'dead people' | Sep 07 15:40 |
| schestowitz | oil is scapegoat | Sep 07 15:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 07 15:40 |
| schestowitz | people like one-answer solution | Sep 07 15:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | that blood for oil meme is a first order thing only | Sep 07 15:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | the military gets first access to oil anyway | Sep 07 15:41 |
| schestowitz | brb | Sep 07 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | FOX: "Burning the Quran: Vital? Or Necessary?" | Sep 07 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: did you see HuffPost published Tony Blair's press release on its front page, AND a video link for him to disseminate his views | Sep 07 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: under the guise of 'reporting the protest' (headline) | Sep 07 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | HuffPost is pre-emtpively exploiting american ignorance of Blair | Sep 07 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | making sure that the message is all positive | Sep 07 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's more helpful to Blair's US bosses | Sep 07 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | [18:29] <yano_t> Isn't this big? CW admitting that their site is hosted on Grassroots Enterprises servers: | Sep 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz | [18:29] <yano_t> http://www.businessinsider.com/anti-google-consumer-group-responds-we-dont-use-google-analytics-our-web-server-does-2010-9 | Sep 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz | [18:31] <schestowitz> Excellent find | Sep 07 18:45 |
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| schestowitz | [18:35] <schestowitz> Grassroots Enterprises=Edelman | Sep 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz | [18:35] <schestowitz> AstroTurf | Sep 07 18:45 |
| schestowitz |  | Sep 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | [18:36] <yano_t> also their video will be running until oct 15 | Sep 07 18:46 |
| schestowitz | [18:46] <yano_t> Other than being despicable are they breaking any laws here by pretending to be a non-profit? | Sep 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz | [18:48] <schestowitz> I think not | Sep 07 18:48 |
| schestowitz | [Tuesday 07 Sep 2010] [15:59:45] <FurnaceBoy> HuffPost is pre-emtpively exploiting american ignorance of Blair | Sep 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Teenagers' too | Sep 07 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Ask young US citizens about the Korean war... | Sep 07 18:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Sep 07 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | revisionism | Sep 07 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's working | Sep 07 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | even the old guys believed the lies | Sep 07 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Pearl Harbour, Tonkin | Sep 07 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | and now Cheonan | Sep 07 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | and the fake outrage over Iran, mosques, Quran, blah | Sep 07 18:56 |
| *FurnaceBoy has 2 go out | Sep 07 18:56 | |
| schestowitz | I need to read up on that | Sep 07 19:02 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident | Sep 07 19:03 |
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| schestowitz | Yeah, now I have it more clearly. | Sep 07 19:04 |
| schestowitz | "The outcome of this second incident was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression". The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam." | Sep 07 19:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Sep 07 19:05 |
| schestowitz | "In 2005, an internal National Security Agency historical study was declassified; it concluded[7] that the Maddox had engaged the North Vietnamese Navy on August 2, but that there may not have been any North Vietnamese Naval vessels present during the incident of August 4." | Sep 07 19:05 |
| schestowitz | A WHILE later.. | Sep 07 19:05 |
| schestowitz | A long while | Sep 07 19:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | and then, as i've mentioned a few times, pilger discusses how the Tonkin incident was fabricated. see: 9/11 | Sep 07 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Who knows what unsealing some Iraq docs will reveal | Sep 07 19:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | right. | Sep 07 19:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | but we already know the pretexts were fabricated. | Sep 07 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Dr. Kelly I wonder about... 70 years to be secret, but... | Sep 07 19:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | there';s enough out there to hang them all | Sep 07 19:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | only fighting apathy and unwillingness to believe | Sep 07 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I recently read in the Guardian that the post-mortem doctor called it suicide by all indicationsa | Sep 07 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Saying he wanted to believe otherwise | Sep 07 19:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | it need not hinge on kelly | Sep 07 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Another person/same was also called incompetent | Sep 07 19:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | that woman, MI5 head, she made some damning, if guarded remarks to Chilcott | Sep 07 19:06 |
| schestowitz | So I don't know if someone plays along with someone | Sep 07 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, you gotta wonder about north vietnam's image of the West... false accusations at the time for pretext | Sep 07 19:08 |
| schestowitz | tessier would know better.. | Sep 07 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | imagine how north korea feels | Sep 07 19:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're already 'axis of evil' so nobody takes protestations seriously | Sep 07 19:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | nice pre-emptive move on bush's part there | Sep 07 19:10 |
| schestowitz | "If you're not with us, you're with the terrorists" | Sep 07 19:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | don;'t question the official version | Sep 07 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Right... | Sep 07 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | the official legend | Sep 07 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | or you're a kook | Sep 07 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Or you'll lose your job or something | Sep 07 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | look: | Sep 07 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Driven into being distracted | Sep 07 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | 11:17:57 pipeline | there are people insisting jewish reptiles wrecked WTC by planting bombs "all over the net" │ wethrin | Sep 07 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | 11:18:02 pipeline | an abundance of "information" if you want to call it that │ | Sep 07 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | 11:18:12 pipeline | I meant actual peer-reviewed studies │ | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | 11:18:15 pipeline | you know, scientific evidence │ | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | 11:18:17 pipeline | not uh │ | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | 11:18:24 pipeline | weird guys in their mom's basements scribbling about the soda conspiracy │ | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | and that was just about aspartame. | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | these 'weird guys' are just a fantasy | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like DFC | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | they don't exist; | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | they are just a useful mental shortcircuit | Sep 07 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | AH THE WEIRD GUYS AGAIN | Sep 07 19:16 |
| schestowitz | Some *are* weird | Sep 07 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Like Ike | Sep 07 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | THIS VIEWPOINT CAN BE SAFELY IGNORED | Sep 07 19:17 |
| schestowitz | ANd the alien/reptile idiocy | Sep 07 19:17 |
| schestowitz | They muddy the water | Sep 07 19:17 |
| MinceR | everybody's weird | Sep 07 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right, but the 'concept' can be used to eliminate any viewpoint. | Sep 07 19:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | like here | Sep 07 19:18 |
| MinceR | i wonder if kde4.5 kwin actually does sloppy focus correctly (that is, it doesn't leave the focus behind when it feels like doing so) | Sep 07 19:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | the aspartame research isn't done in 'basements'. | Sep 07 19:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a trope, which can be used at any time to elide consideration of an issue. | Sep 07 19:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | ditto WTC | Sep 07 19:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | the 'weird kooks in mom's basement' trope. | Sep 07 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | apply to any inconvenient idea | Sep 07 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like how people write off Al Gore | Sep 07 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | anyway i gotta go out. | Sep 07 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | bbiab | Sep 07 19:19 |
| schestowitz | AL Gore is OK | Sep 07 19:20 |
| schestowitz | WTC was a terrorist attack | Sep 07 19:20 |
| schestowitz | And Soda... same old plot to sell people water | Sep 07 19:20 |
| schestowitz | At high prices... bottled, soda, addictive sugars and half-naked chicks in ads... | Sep 07 19:20 |
| schestowitz | There are simpler explanations for all those things and many amateurs that cling onto them | Sep 07 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Trouble..... | Sep 07 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Huff and Puff again... | Sep 07 19:35 |
| schestowitz | anti-Google... | Sep 07 19:35 |
| schestowitz | [18:46] <yano_t> Other than being despicable are they breaking any laws here by pretending to be a non-profit? | Sep 07 19:35 |
| schestowitz | [18:48] <schestowitz> I think not | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <yano_t> Here is another (with all due respect) stupid quote from eric schmidt: "We know where you are, we know what you like" | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <yano_t> http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419-googles-sci-fi-now-voice-control-tv-eternal-memory-an-end-to-loneliness/ | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <schestowitz> Quote mining | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <yano_t> how long before peole start replaying that video again | Sep 07 19:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Googles Sci-Fi Now: Voice-Control TV, Eternal Memory, An End To Loneliness| paidContent:UK .::. Size~: 25.89 KB | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <yano_t> Quote mining? | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <schestowitz> Don't tip them | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <yano_t> well that what blog do | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <schestowitz> There's the one about "changing [one's] name" | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <yano_t> I know | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <yano_t> bu there are already some talk | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <schestowitz> And if you do something bad, then you need privacy or something along those lines | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <yano_t> http://twitter.com/dannysullivan/status/23255967256 | Sep 07 19:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Danny Sullivan: Eric Schmidt drops another ... .::. Size~: 12.15 KB | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <schestowitz> Compliance with secret services | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <schestowitz> Not just a Google isue | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:10] <schestowitz> Yahoo/Microsoft too | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:11] <yano_t> I understand | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:11] <yano_t> I not something I would post anywhere | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:11] <yano_t> but you know that some blog will pick it up | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:12] <yano_t> and they someone will post it on reddit or something "we know where you are" | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:12] <yano_t> and it's gonna snow ball | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:12] <schestowitz> Maybe | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:12] <yano_t> hopfully that won't happen | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:12] <schestowitz> Phones too know location | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <yano_t> well try to explain that to the angry mob and astroturfers on reddit | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz |  | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <yano_t> the fucking "huffnpuff" already got a wiff of it, and look at this page: | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <yano_t> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/eric-schmidt | Sep 07 19:36 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Eric Schmidt : Pictures, Videos, Breaking News .::. Size~: 120.52 KB | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:35] <schestowitz> Huff&Puff | Sep 07 19:36 |
| schestowitz | [19:37] <yano_t> well they have a large audience | Sep 07 19:39 |
| schestowitz | [19:37] <yano_t> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie-court/taking-the-do-not-track-m_b_702490.html | Sep 07 19:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Jamie Court: Taking The "Do Not Track Me" Fight to Google in Times Square .::. Size~: 152.46 KB | Sep 07 19:39 |
| schestowitz | [19:38] <yano_t> they posted an opted from a CW lawyer | Sep 07 19:39 |
| schestowitz | [19:38] <yano_t> for fuck's sake! | Sep 07 19:39 |
| schestowitz | [19:38] <schestowitz> Hehe | Sep 07 19:39 |
| schestowitz |  | Sep 07 19:39 |
| schestowitz | [19:39] <yano_t> it's not funny it's damaging | Sep 07 19:39 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <yano_t> it's a bit funny :) | Sep 07 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <schestowitz> Funny for the publication's credibvility | Sep 07 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <schestowitz> They publish Chopra's fraud | Sep 07 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <schestowitz> Any form of crap | Sep 07 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <schestowitz> Even BillG's megalomania | Sep 07 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:47] <schestowitz> Not true among people who know better. | Sep 07 19:47 |
| schestowitz | [19:42] <yano_t> you can't really write anything bad about gates now a day | Sep 07 19:47 |
| schestowitz | [19:42] <yano_t> with his charity work and what not | Sep 07 19:47 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <yano_t> what are your thoughts about theregister.co.uk ? | Sep 07 20:36 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <schestowitz> It's anti-Google | Sep 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <schestowitz> After 2009 | Sep 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2010/02/17/the-register-anti-google/ | Sep 07 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: New Examples of Microsoft Bias at The Register | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.53 KB | Sep 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2010/02/15/the-register-and-msft/ | Sep 07 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Has Microsoft Gently Bribed the British Press? | Techrights .::. Size~: 116.3 KB | Sep 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | [20:36] <schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2010/03/02/tech-publications-in-the-uk/ | Sep 07 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The Sad State of the British Technology Press | Techrights .::. Size~: 103.29 KB | Sep 07 20:37 |
| schestowitz | [22:12] <yano_t> This new reporter for techcrunch got a wiff of it: Eric Schmidt: We Know Where You Are, We Know What You Like http://techcrunch.com/2010/09/07/eric-schmidt-ifa/ | Sep 07 22:13 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Eric Schmidt: We Know Where You Are, We Know What You Like .::. Size~: 45.66 KB | Sep 07 22:13 |
| schestowitz | [22:13] <yano_t> it's Alexia Tsotsis on techcrunch, it's noth the first time she highlighted these sort of things. | Sep 07 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:14] <schestowitz> Shaping public opinion | Sep 07 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Toronto Star: published the same Blair press release | Sep 07 22:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and something else really bad that i forget atm | Sep 07 22:39 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Sep 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | GOod for his book | Sep 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Controversy=more buyers | Sep 07 22:41 |
| schestowitz | They only help him with those protests | Sep 07 22:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was the press release, just shortened | Sep 07 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'didn't want to burden the public and police with the protester problem' | Sep 07 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | but, it's okay to burden people with a bombing problem | Sep 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | "protester problem" | Sep 07 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | not quoting literally. just the tone of it | Sep 07 22:43 |
| schestowitz | See, the problem is the protest | Sep 07 22:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'inconvenient protests' | Sep 07 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Now what they protest about | Sep 07 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | he used the word inconvenient | Sep 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Mother loses child to shelt | Sep 07 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'what a nuisance these kooks are' | Sep 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | *shell | Sep 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | She protests | Sep 07 22:44 |
| schestowitz | That nuisance that she is | Sep 07 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 07 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | now multiply that mother by a few MILLION who lost relatives in Blair's war | Sep 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Bush's | Sep 07 22:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | joint account | Sep 07 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Courtroom too? | Sep 07 22:49 |
| schestowitz | THe Hague has room for many | Sep 07 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Great video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E_CRW__IXE | Sep 07 23:04 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube- When Wright Is Wrong (part 6) .::. Size~: 103.19 KB | Sep 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz | I saw the original before | Sep 07 23:04 |
| schestowitz | This one ha commentary | Sep 07 23:04 |
| tessier | schestowitz: North Vietnam's image of the west was not hurt by the incident. They were already being brainwashed to hate anyone who wasn't socialist and they knew the two countries were at odds all along. | Sep 07 23:16 |
| tessier | It gave them some extra propaganda to use against the US but that just meant they didn't have to make up quite as much on their own. | Sep 07 23:16 |
| tessier | It's fun/amusing/annoying to take official tours in Ha Noi and listen to the howlers they still tell about what happened. | Sep 07 23:17 |
| tessier | Disregarding the free market on the street just outside the door... | Sep 07 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/iraq/article/855255--iraq-war-an-understandable-error-blair-says-in-new-book | Sep 07 23:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Iraq war an 'understandable error,' Blair says in new book - thestar.com .::. Size~: 101 KB | Sep 07 23:19 |
| schestowitz | Beck is a fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6mft9TnLc | Sep 07 23:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube- Skewering Glenn Beck (why Mormon claims are rubbish) Part 1 of 2 .::. Size~: 113.07 KB | Sep 07 23:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's a tough job, being a brownshirt agitator, but someone's gotta do it | Sep 07 23:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if it wasn't him, some other trash woudl step up.. oh wait, they already did | Sep 07 23:20 |
| schestowitz | I didn't know he was a Mormon | Sep 07 23:20 |
| *FurnaceBoy doesn't even much care | Sep 07 23:21 | |
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