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| schestowitz | Novell/Mirosoft lackeys are attacking FFII now | Sep 10 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | SOmeone tells me: "DeIcasa is annoyig us now. his emails are pretty hostile. I can forward them to you if I can have your promise that you won't mention them anywhere" | Sep 10 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | me: "@_Goblin the Beeb warns about laying off good people while paying the MicrosoftTax(R)" | Sep 10 14:45 |
| schestowitz | He could be affected | Sep 10 14:45 |
| schestowitz | His job | Sep 10 14:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh gawd | Sep 10 14:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | slashdot story about wikipedia's "iraq war" entry | Sep 10 14:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | so, crimes against humanity are now a spectator sport | Sep 10 14:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's all about opinions | Sep 10 14:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | "teach the controversy" | Sep 10 14:54 |
| *FurnaceBoy sighs | Sep 10 14:55 | |
| oiaohm | There are crimes both sides | Sep 10 14:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ORLY | Sep 10 14:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: well let's prosecute the invasion and see, shall we | Sep 10 14:55 |
| oiaohm | Yes really. | Sep 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 10 14:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: iirc somebody was hanged for their part | Sep 10 14:55 |
| schestowitz | But whose are greater? | Sep 10 14:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: let's see some hangings on the other side | Sep 10 14:56 |
| schestowitz | And what was their motivation? | Sep 10 14:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Sep 10 14:56 |
| oiaohm | What are the rules of war. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 14:56 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: no | Sep 10 14:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: "don't do it" | Sep 10 14:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: there has been no accountability for the iraq invasion | Sep 10 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Nuremberg principles apply only in the direction of the weaker side | Sep 10 14:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: no trials | Sep 10 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Basic rule don't kill non combatants. | Sep 10 14:56 |
| schestowitz | And the victor gets to tell its story to historians | Sep 10 14:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: on wikipedia, evidently | Sep 10 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe access to WIkipedia is slower in some countrie | Sep 10 14:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and in "MEMOIRES" | Sep 10 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Avoiding killing non combatants is even in the muslim holy book. | Sep 10 14:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: call me back when Bush and friends have all gone before the ICC | Sep 10 14:57 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no | Sep 10 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Read the Quran/ | Sep 10 14:57 |
| schestowitz | ? | Sep 10 14:57 |
| oiaohm | It is in the Quran | Sep 10 14:58 |
| schestowitz | IIRC it talks about slaying too | Sep 10 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Even children IIRC | Sep 10 14:58 |
| schestowitz | The later passages override the former | Sep 10 14:58 |
| schestowitz | It's the rule | Sep 10 14:58 |
| schestowitz | It has contradiction, so you take the latter | Sep 10 14:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the slashdot summary has this offensive quote, "this is historiography. this is what culture actually looks like: a process of argument, of dissenting and accreting opinion, of gradual and not always correct codification." | Sep 10 14:58 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough no. | Sep 10 14:58 |
| schestowitz | I heard the book becomes more extreme towards the latter part of Mo's life | Sep 10 14:58 |
| schestowitz | For the record | Sep 10 14:59 |
| schestowitz | All such books are crap | Sep 10 14:59 |
| schestowitz | The most genocidal one is said to be the old testament | Sep 10 14:59 |
| schestowitz | So: | Sep 10 14:59 |
| oiaohm | If the children have a belif that will make the combatents in future they are not pure non combatents. | Sep 10 14:59 |
| schestowitz | [14:57] <oiaohm> Avoiding killing non combatants is even in the muslim holy book. | Sep 10 14:59 |
| MinceR | 155416 < FurnaceBoy> so, crimes against humanity are now a spectator sport | Sep 10 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Let's avoid this excude | Sep 10 14:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | why even argue over what's in the qu'ran? let's just concentrate on the overdue new Nuremberg and why it has never happened | Sep 10 14:59 |
| MinceR | they've been for a while | Sep 10 14:59 |
| schestowitz | "Oh look. The HOLY BOOK!" | Sep 10 14:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: right | Sep 10 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Ie killing a everyone bar the childern in a pack of combatants. | Sep 10 15:00 |
| oiaohm | You can almost bet the children will attack you in future. | Sep 10 15:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | MinceR: you are correct, but I am reacting to a slashdot entry that reduces it all down to 'accreting opinions' -- maybe as if nobody died, etc. | Sep 10 15:00 |
| oiaohm | What the Quran says read as a whole is combat common sence. | Sep 10 15:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, and the iraq war was only one of the more recent crimes... | Sep 10 15:00 |
| oiaohm | But setting off a bomb in a market place with random targets. | Sep 10 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Is no way approved by the Quran. | Sep 10 15:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, gee whiz | Sep 10 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Yet then you have mercs from the USA that are trigger happy. | Sep 10 15:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | how about a whole army? | Sep 10 15:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | how about an invasion that should never have been allowed to occur? | Sep 10 15:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | what, as schestowitz asks, was the motive? | Sep 10 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Remember here is the good thing. | Sep 10 15:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | and why has there been no accountability? | Sep 10 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Mercs are not protected by the rules of war. | Sep 10 15:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | who cares? | Sep 10 15:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is all beside my point | Sep 10 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Why are people in jail for killing mercs. | Sep 10 15:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | where's the accountability for the war? | Sep 10 15:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | where will be the accountability for the next one? | Sep 10 15:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | who's going to stop the next one, if we couldn't stop the last one? | Sep 10 15:03 |
| oiaohm | Also mercs are not ment to wear standard MIl uniforms. | Sep 10 15:03 |
| schestowitz | China? | Sep 10 15:03 |
| oiaohm | USA has done many illegal things under the rules of war. | Sep 10 15:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it never stops | Sep 10 15:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and, 'what rules'? | Sep 10 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Unruly wars | Sep 10 15:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: is extraordinary rendition, torture, etc, covered under those 'rules' too? | Sep 10 15:04 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: "don't promote communism" | Sep 10 15:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it doesn't admit any rulebook. might is right, and that's enough for them. | Sep 10 15:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's not enough for the civilised | Sep 10 15:04 |
| oiaohm | There is a catch here. | Sep 10 15:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ask Eichmann about the catch | Sep 10 15:05 |
| *FurnaceBoy gives up | Sep 10 15:05 | |
| oiaohm | If you are merc class none of the protections apply. | Sep 10 15:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | who cares? why is that relevant? | Sep 10 15:05 |
| oiaohm | people are fighting on both sides who are merc class. | Sep 10 15:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | why is this relevant? | Sep 10 15:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why was there an invasion? | Sep 10 15:06 |
| schestowitz | Insurgence | Sep 10 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Every person that USA has tortured only the ones who are not merc class are illegal. | Sep 10 15:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: have you been updating that wikipedia page? | Sep 10 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Techically you are in your rights to shot a Merc without giving them a trial. | Sep 10 15:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Sep 10 15:06 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: Better luck with wikileaks | Sep 10 15:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: guess so | Sep 10 15:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: at least they stay on-topic | Sep 10 15:07 |
| schestowitz | It's know that the military controls wikipedia pages | Sep 10 15:07 |
| schestowitz | They have been unmasked | Sep 10 15:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: of course | Sep 10 15:07 |
| schestowitz | SOme even put there that Fidel is transsexual | Sep 10 15:07 |
| schestowitz | It traced back to US army IPs | Sep 10 15:07 |
| oiaohm | Usa what to class out side people entering the iraq battle who are not from iraq as Mercs. | Sep 10 15:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i regard wikipedia as compromised .... it's the ultimate consensus (therefore invalid by definition on such subjects) | Sep 10 15:07 |
| oiaohm | So basically they have no legal rights. | Sep 10 15:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: in whose imagination | Sep 10 15:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why is this relevant? | Sep 10 15:08 |
| oiaohm | The merc rules was argreed to prevent countries paying people to cross boarders and cause problems. | Sep 10 15:08 |
| oiaohm | Its a bit like killing spies. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: ISTR that a whole lot of bombers crossed the border and caused some problems, followed by soldiers | Sep 10 15:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: now I am waiting for the war crimes trials | Sep 10 15:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: seem to be taking a long time | Sep 10 15:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: any ideas? | Sep 10 15:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: any ideas why Blair just launched a book, "Memoires" | Sep 10 15:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and a press campaign, and tour | Sep 10 15:10 |
| oiaohm | I agree there should be war crimes particularlly thinking illegal weapons were used. | Sep 10 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: how about lying to the publics (including yours) | Sep 10 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Cluster bombs were forbin before the iraq war. | Sep 10 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they're NOT forbidden | Sep 10 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Yet the USA used them. | Sep 10 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: USA never signed that treaty and probably never shall. | Sep 10 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it's not about illegal weapons | Sep 10 15:11 |
| *FurnaceBoy signs | Sep 10 15:11 | |
| oiaohm | Funny enough USA has a problem. | Sep 10 15:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why was there an invasion? | Sep 10 15:11 |
| oiaohm | UN rules have them screwed. | Sep 10 15:12 |
| oiaohm | They did not need to sign. | Sep 10 15:12 |
| oiaohm | They were required to veto what they missed doing. | Sep 10 15:12 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: aren't such bombs made in Germany? | Sep 10 15:12 |
| oiaohm | So legally they are signed. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:12 |
| schestowitz | Or parts of them (a a friend from Manchester gives me this impression) | Sep 10 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Remember the first iraq war Australian forces want to take the country then. | Sep 10 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Then the no fly zones after the iraq war was not fully enforced. | Sep 10 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Basically failure after failure. | Sep 10 15:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: step back in time a moment | Sep 10 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why was there an invasion? | Sep 10 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Howard was a liar. Why did he get a free pass? | Sep 10 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: time and time again | Sep 10 15:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: all the arms makers make them. Many come from Israel | Sep 10 15:16 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: You misspelled coward | Sep 10 15:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: sticker: "Tested on Palestinian scum" | Sep 10 15:16 |
| oiaohm | FurnaceBoy: really Australia has done well out of the Iraq war. | Sep 10 15:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Has Iraq? | Sep 10 15:16 |
| oiaohm | It would have been worse off without the Australian forces. | Sep 10 15:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Sep 10 15:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: let's turn it around then | Sep 10 15:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why did a middle east coalition invade australia after an intensive bombing campaign on major population centres? | Sep 10 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Australian Forces got the items like cemment factories and the like without them having any damage. | Sep 10 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Where Australian forces went were not bombed. | Sep 10 15:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: step back in time a little | Sep 10 15:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why was there an invasion? | Sep 10 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Remember Australia was along for the ride. We reduced the damage. Please look at the damage from the two iraq wars. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Sep 10 15:19 |
| schestowitz | Like Spain | Sep 10 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | Bali | Sep 10 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why was there an invasion? | Sep 10 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Remember the first iraq war Australian General was in charage. | Sep 10 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | is there some kind of brick wall you can't cross? | Sep 10 15:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | are there questions that shouldn't be answered? | Sep 10 15:19 |
| oiaohm | And it was a responce to aboard breach by iraq. | Sep 10 15:19 |
| oiaohm | The second was USA general and USA idea that was going to happen if it if not Australia was there. | Sep 10 15:20 |
| schestowitz | So Australia assessed by whose friends it is | Sep 10 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Howard should never have got a free pass for any of it. he should be in jail now. | Sep 10 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Not whether the war made sense | Sep 10 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Sep 10 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Only a dumb USA general could come up with the idea that shock and aw would be valid method. | Sep 10 15:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: who's going to be held accountable? | Sep 10 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Like troops | Sep 10 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Now if USA general did not have Australian forces. | Sep 10 15:21 |
| *FurnaceBoy gives up | Sep 10 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | THey go to war cause the superior tells them to | Sep 10 15:21 |
| schestowitz | It's all a chain of command coprruption | Sep 10 15:21 |
| oiaohm | Items required to rebuild after the mess would have been blown into the ground. | Sep 10 15:21 |
| schestowitz | Militaries are like that | Sep 10 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Some tyrant at the top | Sep 10 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Then Australian staff would still be there cleaning up the mess. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Warning about imaginary enemies | Sep 10 15:22 |
| schestowitz | Then uses pastors/general/'journos' (like Friedman) to rally the canon fodder | Sep 10 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Australia could not win either way FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: so why invade? | Sep 10 15:22 |
| oiaohm | With the second iraq war. | Sep 10 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: nobody has any balls? | Sep 10 15:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why isn't HOward in jail? | Sep 10 15:23 |
| schestowitz | He's rich | Sep 10 15:23 |
| schestowitz | And powerful | Sep 10 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Saddam, he is not an Arab | Sep 10 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Note USA overrided Australian reports saying that most likely all chemical and bioweapons had ben destroyed. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Why isn't Olmert in jail? | Sep 10 15:23 |
| schestowitz | Why wasn't Neytanyahu sent to prison | Sep 10 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Howard was stuck. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: nonsense | Sep 10 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | but step back.. why was he even asked | Sep 10 15:24 |
| schestowitz | At the least for bribes and stuff, let alone more serious crimes? Well, jail are for poor beggars | Sep 10 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Either we let USA rogue forces go in alone. | Sep 10 15:24 |
| schestowitz | Rich people federate jail construction | Sep 10 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why did US invade | Sep 10 15:24 |
| schestowitz | It helps keep the unsheltered guy under control, not free | Sep 10 15:24 |
| oiaohm | And if we don't agree to help USA pulls australian access to USA scrap yards. | Sep 10 15:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why no accountability | Sep 10 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "Support the troops" | Sep 10 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Be respectful to the dead | Sep 10 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why is it okay to be threatened into participation | Sep 10 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Really USA had some responsabliy without USA support sadim would never been the leader of iraq | Sep 10 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why did australia not refuse to participate | Sep 10 15:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why is it okay to accede to bullying and threats | Sep 10 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why didn't you prosecute Howard for that | Sep 10 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: breaking every international law | Sep 10 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Would iraq been worse off with USA forces going in alone yes. | Sep 10 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why didn't Australia complain to the UN about US intransigence | Sep 10 15:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: step back in time a bit more | Sep 10 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: get past this brick wall in your mind | Sep 10 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: stop assumign the invasion is a given | Sep 10 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why invade? | Sep 10 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why give in to threats by the US and participate, instead of calling them out as aggressors? | Sep 10 15:27 |
| oiaohm | For australian forces it was going to be a given sooner or latter. | Sep 10 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah, i see how these things work now. | Sep 10 15:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | invasions are a natural event | Sep 10 15:28 |
| oiaohm | To protect the curds that australia had promissed to. | Sep 10 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | gotta go with the flow | Sep 10 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | "what a good suggestion, old boy." | Sep 10 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Not like sadam was going to let them be long term. | Sep 10 15:28 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: they could support the Kurds when they got gassed | Sep 10 15:28 |
| schestowitz | The US did nothing back then | Sep 10 15:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | and what shall we do about Bush and Blair, oiaohm ? Who is going to invade US and UK and hang them? | Sep 10 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Australia did call for actions. | Sep 10 15:28 |
| schestowitz | Only when it needed to slap label on their formerally Saddam | Sep 10 15:29 |
| oiaohm | Just like east timor | Sep 10 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Then they also glued the "9/11" label on him | Sep 10 15:29 |
| oiaohm | But east timor was small enough that australian forces could act alone. | Sep 10 15:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Australia's role in East Timor was to enable genocide | Sep 10 15:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: as always | Sep 10 15:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: when does that get called to account? | Sep 10 15:29 |
| oiaohm | We called the UN to allow us to block the genocide | Sep 10 15:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why do the major powers get a free pass to carry out genocide? | Sep 10 15:29 |
| oiaohm | We placed warships in range so after the vote we could hit the ground and try to stop the genocide | Sep 10 15:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Australia is complicit in Timor genocides | Sep 10 15:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: there's a fatal consistency about all realpolitik | Sep 10 15:30 |
| oiaohm | And it part what happen in East Timor and other island near us has made us more likely to first strike. | Sep 10 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Lot of unstable island near us understand the setup. | Sep 10 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Australian forces will come while there is possible unrest and leave as soon as everything is stable. | Sep 10 15:31 |
| MinceR | :3 | Sep 10 15:32 |
| oiaohm | And they have no problems with that setup. | Sep 10 15:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's a fantasy | Sep 10 15:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: in Timor and in Iraq | Sep 10 15:32 |
| oiaohm | Its made the the islands near australian the most stable they have been. | Sep 10 15:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yeah, like Bali. | Sep 10 15:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: good old Anzacs, eh. if it weren't for them, the US would have killed EVEN MORE iraqi civilians. | Sep 10 15:32 |
| oiaohm | No FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Australians = good soldiers. Yanks = naughty soldiers. | Sep 10 15:33 |
| oiaohm | The USA forces would have destoryed the stuff to rebuild. | Sep 10 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | gosh rly | Sep 10 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | why was there an invasion? | Sep 10 15:33 |
| oiaohm | What do you think is the USA problem. | Sep 10 15:33 |
| oiaohm | Its a personally thing. | Sep 10 15:34 |
| schestowitz | Blair answers that question in his new book. The "official" version. | Sep 10 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Bigger weapon more bullets better the solution is the USA mind set. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Some times you want small weapons not large. | Sep 10 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Heck one cement factory did not need bombs or bullets at all to take a full unit of iraq forces alive. | Sep 10 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Super sonic plan fly over building. | Sep 10 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Break ear drums and basically drop soliders in building leaving building in one bit. | Sep 10 15:36 |
| oiaohm | There are a lot of things USA forces don't consider as combative weapons. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Also here is the funny one. Japan repair forces in iraq would only travel with Australian soliders. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:38 |
| schestowitz | WOuld be smarter | Sep 10 15:39 |
| schestowitz | After watching that Apache video | Sep 10 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Collateral Murder... | Sep 10 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Where troops laugh while they kill | Sep 10 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Yep that is the other thing. Australian forces would be in the jail for a long time laughing killing people. | Sep 10 15:41 |
| schestowitz | It's odd | Sep 10 15:42 |
| schestowitz | I had to think of it | Sep 10 15:43 |
| schestowitz | Pilots have rigorous selection tests to pass | Sep 10 15:43 |
| schestowitz | And you're think they'd be concerned to see tanks going over people | Sep 10 15:43 |
| oiaohm | You are aware USA Pilots were on uppers. | Sep 10 15:43 |
| schestowitz | But they are so nonchalant in the cockpit, not afraid for retaliation | Sep 10 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Also that USA Pilots are expected to obey instructions without thinking about it too. | Sep 10 15:44 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what's uppers in this context? | Sep 10 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Reason why they do so much friendly fire. | Sep 10 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Upper ranks? | Sep 10 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Drugs schestowitz | Sep 10 15:44 |
| oiaohm | To stay awake | Sep 10 15:44 |
| oiaohm | With known mind altering effects. | Sep 10 15:44 |
| schestowitz | I thought so | Sep 10 15:44 |
| schestowitz | Was gonna suggest that as a joke | Sep 10 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Its no joke. | Sep 10 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Well, depends | Sep 10 15:45 |
| schestowitz | The side-effects-yes | Sep 10 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Australian's army wishes it was. | Sep 10 15:45 |
| schestowitz | But it's not as though they get them stoned to be trigger happy | Sep 10 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Thinking at times Australian forces have to depend on USA bombers to do targeted bomb drops. | Sep 10 15:45 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine who was in NATO got anabolic drugs from the superiors | Sep 10 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Maybe to make them more aggressive | Sep 10 15:45 |
| oiaohm | And not kill them or the forces they are with. | Sep 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | It's also said that (I think) Arabs used to fight well cause they took heroin | Sep 10 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Note Australian forces are known for merging into local forces to increase numbers. | Sep 10 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie like with the kurds teaching them to make jump rockets. | Sep 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | What does Australia need an army for? | Sep 10 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Nice fun weapon. | Sep 10 15:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: so when you say 'Howard had no choice', do you mean he knew that the invasion was justified based on a pack of lies, and had to go alogn with it anyway, or Howard believed in the premise of the invasion (that it was retaliation for 9/11, etc, etc, etc) | Sep 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | Who's a long-term risk? | Sep 10 15:46 |
| schestowitz | South-East Asia? | Sep 10 15:47 |
| schestowitz | No history that I know of with attacks like these | Sep 10 15:47 |
| oiaohm | We have a lot of local area problems. | Sep 10 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: how much credibility does Howard have in the light of 'children overboard' and other scandals where he was proven to lie for political gain? | Sep 10 15:47 |
| schestowitz | WW1 -> Turkey | Sep 10 15:47 |
| schestowitz | Australia fights other people's wars | Sep 10 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: should the fate of nations and millions of their people be in the hands of liars like Howard? | Sep 10 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: should the fate of nations and millions of their people be in the hands of liars like Blair? | Sep 10 15:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: should the fate of nations and millions of their people be in the hands of liars like Bush? | Sep 10 15:47 |
| oiaohm | I did not say that it was justified. | Sep 10 15:47 |
| oiaohm | If australia did not go the out come would be bad for us. | Sep 10 15:48 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: they are no longer in power | Sep 10 15:48 |
| schestowitz | GetOverIt(R) | Sep 10 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: many americans believe that Iraq was behind 9/11, and this myth was put forward by the leaders. What credibility do their justifications for the invasion have, in light of that? | Sep 10 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: how do you decide WHICH lies to believe? | Sep 10 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: do you think people believe lies because it's more comfortable? | Sep 10 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: do you believe people avoid challenging them because it's uncomfortable? | Sep 10 15:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: do you believe governments sow misinformation for political ends? (children overboard again) | Sep 10 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Cattle effect | Sep 10 15:49 |
| oiaohm | With 9/11 australian's know the starting point as afagasin with a person trained in demolisions by the CIA. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: has it influenced elections? | Sep 10 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Discouragement from peers | Sep 10 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Alignment of opinion by peer | Sep 10 15:49 |
| oiaohm | CIA need to pick its recurts way better. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:49 |
| schestowitz | Old trusted journlaists you see on TV as a kid | Sep 10 15:49 |
| schestowitz | And 'intellectuals' like Friedman | Sep 10 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i don't know what you're talking about. Why was there an invasion and why did your prime minister lie to you about it? | Sep 10 15:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and why was he never held accountable | Sep 10 15:50 |
| oiaohm | He was held accountable. | Sep 10 15:50 |
| oiaohm | He was able to show a stack more mil hardware we got out of the war. | Sep 10 15:50 |
| oiaohm | For nothing. | Sep 10 15:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | huh? | Sep 10 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Including need drones to cover our top end for illegal boats to help prevent deases entering australia. | Sep 10 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | you must be joking | Sep 10 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | so it's okay to support war crimes, if you get "something for nothing" out of it? | Sep 10 15:51 |
| oiaohm | We got 4 long range drones for nothing. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:51 |
| oiaohm | That we required. | Sep 10 15:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: a few dozen african and south american dictators would agree with you | Sep 10 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Defense of australia FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: are you seriously suggesting that is sufficient justification for destroying Iraq on false pretexts? | Sep 10 15:52 |
| oiaohm | And the result of going against the USA would be locked out of that tech. | Sep 10 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | so? | Sep 10 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: do principles ever matter? | Sep 10 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: do lives ever matter? | Sep 10 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: are you seriously suggesting that is sufficient justification for destroying Iraq on false pretexts? | Sep 10 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Lives also came into it. | Sep 10 15:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | answer just that one question ^^ | Sep 10 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | then we'll knwo what kind of man you are | Sep 10 15:53 |
| oiaohm | USA was going in with or without us. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | you're asserting that "free stuff" justified the war. | Sep 10 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: are you seriously suggesting that is sufficient justification for destroying Iraq on false pretexts? | Sep 10 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Australia coudl have done what any civilised nation MUST do: refuse to participate, and protest the US intransigence | Sep 10 15:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why did they not? | Sep 10 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Also we had promised the kurds at the end of the first iraq war we would be back. | Sep 10 15:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and is 'free stuff' enough justification for ANY misuse of force? | Sep 10 15:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: this is not a 'Gallipoli' movie. | Sep 10 15:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's hollywood scriptwriter bullshit | Sep 10 15:54 |
| oiaohm | You think australia missed used force. | Sep 10 15:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | "We'll be back! to kill another million of you and your countrymen." | Sep 10 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Beaware australian forces had the lowest kill rate per head. | Sep 10 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: let me ask a very simple question. Does the "free stuff" justify participation in this genocidal adventure or not. | Sep 10 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you are claiming it is | Sep 10 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: are you serious or joking? | Sep 10 15:55 |
| oiaohm | I am serious that australian forces had the lowest kill rate. | Sep 10 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Sep 10 15:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | answer the question | Sep 10 15:55 |
| oiaohm | And the highest caputure alive. | Sep 10 15:55 |
| oiaohm | So our forces were not doing genocide | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: wtf | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: answer the question | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: did the "free stuff" justify accepting the lies, partipating in the invasion | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | or not | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | or is there some other issue that matters | Sep 10 15:56 |
| oiaohm | So you are saying we should have sat aside allowed the USA to go in and kill more. | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: answer the question | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: does the "free stuff" justify everything or not | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you claim it did | Sep 10 15:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: let's turn it around | Sep 10 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Free stuff is only part of it. | Sep 10 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: let's say Iran wanted to invade Russia and asked Syria to help | Sep 10 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they offered Syria some free stuff | Sep 10 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: does that cancel out any moral obligation | Sep 10 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you asserted it did | Sep 10 15:57 |
| oiaohm | Will Syria recude the kill rate by joining in. | Sep 10 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: this is not relevant | Sep 10 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why was there an invasion? for 9/11? | Sep 10 15:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: for WMD? | Sep 10 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why? | Sep 10 15:58 |
| schestowitz | "Pack of lies" | Sep 10 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Be aware Australian forces has been in most of the cases of friendly fire against USA forces. | Sep 10 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: not enough of them, clearly | Sep 10 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie Australian forces killing USA forces for being out of line. | Sep 10 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: huh? | Sep 10 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's not what friendly fire means | Sep 10 15:58 |
| oiaohm | Its writen up as friendly fire. | Sep 10 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's vigilantism | Sep 10 15:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i don't care what AUstralian soldiers did after the invasion | Sep 10 15:59 |
| oiaohm | You kill unarmed person procedue to line up to kill another. | Sep 10 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i care about why they were sent, and why there has been no accountability | Sep 10 15:59 |
| oiaohm | And australian solider will kill you. | Sep 10 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | bullshit | Sep 10 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's fantasy | Sep 10 15:59 |
| oiaohm | To prevent more deaths. | Sep 10 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | utter fantasy | Sep 10 15:59 |
| oiaohm | Its not fantasy | Sep 10 15:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Australians = good soldiers. Yanks = naughty soldiers. | Sep 10 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | do you believe that tripe? | Sep 10 16:00 |
| oiaohm | No | Sep 10 16:00 |
| oiaohm | Australian solders do wrong and get hit for it. | Sep 10 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's how you just characterised them. | Sep 10 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | why were they there in the first place? | Sep 10 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | who sent them? | Sep 10 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | the australian public did not support iraq participation. | Sep 10 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | howard did it anyway. why? | Sep 10 16:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | why did he never pay a price for that, even after abu ghraib, tampa, etc | Sep 10 16:01 |
| oiaohm | The public was split. | Sep 10 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was not. | Sep 10 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | i was there. | Sep 10 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | there was never a moment where the war had more than ~45% support. | Sep 10 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | and that 45% was based on pure lies | Sep 10 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | and Murdoch media | Sep 10 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | i saw it all go down. | Sep 10 16:01 |
| oiaohm | How much was undecided. | Sep 10 16:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | the australian public was lied to | Sep 10 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | by US interests | Sep 10 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Howard lied to them | Sep 10 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Murdoch lied to them. 24/7 | Sep 10 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Of course. | Sep 10 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | and STILL never a majority supported the invasion. | Sep 10 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | never. | Sep 10 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | not for a moment. | Sep 10 16:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | nowhere outside the US and Israel had a majority supporting it. | Sep 10 16:03 |
| oiaohm | How many battles does australia enter with more than 40 percent support of the population. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | and we can discount them entirely | Sep 10 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: I don't much care. | Sep 10 16:03 |
| oiaohm | East Timor never had that nuch. | Sep 10 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: do you care about the lies? | Sep 10 16:03 |
| oiaohm | much | Sep 10 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it really doesn't matter to you that the whole thing was false? | Sep 10 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | *** It was obvious at the time *** | Sep 10 16:03 |
| oiaohm | What matters to me is what Australia can change. | Sep 10 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | no | Sep 10 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | you need to change Australia | Sep 10 16:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | so that this NEVER happens again | Sep 10 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | EVER | Sep 10 16:04 |
| oiaohm | You would say Australain should have never went in. | Sep 10 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Even that going in was the correct thing todo to save at least some lives. | Sep 10 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | they should never have touched it, and they should have sought allies to block it. | Sep 10 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | they didn't | Sep 10 16:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's an unforgiveable lapse | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | and HOward shoudl be held responsible for this war crime | Sep 10 16:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok name a country that could have stopped the USA forces. | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | he is criminally responsible | Sep 10 16:05 |
| oiaohm | From doing what they so please. | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: is that okay, then? | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: might is right? | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: we're all okay with that? | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: we should never protest? | Sep 10 16:05 |
| oiaohm | I did not say it was right. | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | seems you did. | Sep 10 16:05 |
| oiaohm | But Australia has to do what it can. | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | further, seems you said "plus, we get free stuff for doing what we told! SCORE!" | Sep 10 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: bullshit | Sep 10 16:06 |
| oiaohm | And you have to see where you cannot change things either. | Sep 10 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Australia morally failed | Sep 10 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and your PM criminally failed | Sep 10 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: why has he never seen a courtroom? | Sep 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | He did | Sep 10 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: if we can't change THIS, we may as well be dead. | Sep 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | WIth Saddam in it | Sep 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Staged | Sep 10 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that was a courtroom? | Sep 10 16:06 |
| schestowitz | Tribunal? | Sep 10 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: seemed like it was a foregone conclusion | Sep 10 16:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: show trial | Sep 10 16:06 |
| oiaohm | PM also had to face the govement hearings. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: so that a 100 million Americans could jack off to the hanging | Sep 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: the sentencing was done a year earlier | Sep 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Saddam defended his side by telepathy | Sep 10 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i see | Sep 10 16:07 |
| oiaohm | If it turned out that Australian forces had been as bad as the USA forces. | Sep 10 16:07 |
| oiaohm | He would have been dead meat. | Sep 10 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: just being there gives them total complicity. | Sep 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Saddam was a vicious dictator | Sep 10 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Should probably be killed | Sep 10 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: TOTAL complicity. | Sep 10 16:08 |
| schestowitz | But wars don't have "good" and "bad" | Sep 10 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Both sides can be "bad" | Sep 10 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Howard never gave a peep about Abu Ghraib | Sep 10 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: he was as responsible for that as Bush | Sep 10 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: all of it was utterly predictable. we predicted it on 9/12/2001 | Sep 10 16:08 |
| oiaohm | Abu Ghraib only people we had in there was Mercs | Sep 10 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | so? | Sep 10 16:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: all war is good | Sep 10 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you get free stuff | Sep 10 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Problem was the Mercs we had in there are the bad kind. | Sep 10 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: you get to make movies about it later | Sep 10 16:09 |
| oiaohm | Not something we wanted to promote. | Sep 10 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and remember, your buddies have dirt on you, so never say NO | Sep 10 16:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: if they ask you to torture the cat with fire, you go along, or you'll be ejected from the clubhouse | Sep 10 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Abu GhraibWe had big problems with Abu Ghraib | Sep 10 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: remember your Hobbesian schooldays | Sep 10 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: not 'election losing' problems | Sep 10 16:10 |
| oiaohm | Howard was badly split over it in one of his . | Sep 10 16:10 |
| oiaohm | speaches. | Sep 10 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Says who? | Sep 10 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: he subsequently was re-elected | Sep 10 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Him? | Sep 10 16:10 |
| schestowitz | Easy after the act | Sep 10 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you talk about Howard as if he were human | Sep 10 16:10 |
| schestowitz | "oooopps...; sorry... *evil grin*" | Sep 10 16:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | "my bad" | Sep 10 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | "I'll have a word to George about that. Looks bad. Poor form. If you torture, don't take pics." | Sep 10 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Torture, then destroy the tapes, it's CIA best practice." | Sep 10 16:11 |
| schestowitz | They made a misatke | Sep 10 16:11 |
| schestowitz | They made a mistake | Sep 10 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Not the torture | Sep 10 16:11 |
| schestowitz | The media leaks | Sep 10 16:11 |
| oiaohm | You are aware the australian mercs in Abu Ghraib got no assistance from australian goverment to get them out of there. | Sep 10 16:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | iam sure they did, i am sure they did. | Sep 10 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | how many went to jail? | Sep 10 16:12 |
| oiaohm | 4 | Sep 10 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Like with Microsoft. Thr bribe is not the problem, it's when people find out about it that heads roll | Sep 10 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | why not Howard? | Sep 10 16:12 |
| oiaohm | 2 are still in USA containment. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | nice euphemism | Sep 10 16:12 |
| oiaohm | And may never be alowed to return to Australia | Sep 10 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | can they go back to Iraq? | Sep 10 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | pay's great | Sep 10 16:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | US likes people like that. oiaohm do you know the name William Calley? | Sep 10 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough there are still some Australian mercs in a Jail in Iraq | Sep 10 16:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: there's still some iraqis in mass graves too | Sep 10 16:14 |
| oiaohm | They were working with the kurds | Sep 10 16:14 |
| oiaohm | Not approved so they have to serve out time. | Sep 10 16:15 |
| oiaohm | But you cannot put them in Abu Ghraib | Sep 10 16:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm do you know the name William Calley? | Sep 10 16:15 |
| oiaohm | That is the sad part about Abu Ghraib the idea was first put up as a way of preventing the losers breaking there captured forces out. | Sep 10 16:16 |
| oiaohm | And to prevent the winners killing them. | Sep 10 16:16 |
| oiaohm | To hopefully speed up stablisation. | Sep 10 16:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | is it stable now? | Sep 10 16:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | isn't the best way to keep Iraq 'stable' by not destroying it? | Sep 10 16:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | what was the justification again for destroying it? | Sep 10 16:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | 9/11? | Sep 10 16:17 |
| schestowitz | "instability" is code for intervention | Sep 10 16:17 |
| oiaohm | There was usntablity in iraq before 9/11 | Sep 10 16:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and now? | Sep 10 16:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: compare and contrast | Sep 10 16:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: odd, i don't recall that 'instability' used as pretext for the war | Sep 10 16:17 |
| oiaohm | Funny enough the death rate now is lower than what is was in the gap between the two iraq wars | Sep 10 16:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: guess I missed that memo! | Sep 10 16:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: what about the death rate in 2003 | Sep 10 16:18 |
| oiaohm | And that gap between the iraq wars no australian or usa forces were on the ground. | Sep 10 16:18 |
| oiaohm | Ie pure dicator caused deaths. | Sep 10 16:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: thanks for this hour or two spent pleasantly justifying the war | Sep 10 16:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: we can move to the next topic now | Sep 10 16:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: let's talk about Iran's future war | Sep 10 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: they're very bad boys, arenlt they! | Sep 10 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: pretty much due for a spot of nation building | Sep 10 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | overdue! | Sep 10 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | those naughty mullahs | Sep 10 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Really I am not looking forward to what the australian war machine is setting upto do. | Sep 10 16:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | really? | Sep 10 16:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | not looking forward to it? | Sep 10 16:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | but you get FREE STUFF | Sep 10 16:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | and romanticise it later | Sep 10 16:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | that Aussies stopped bad yanks from doing bad things | Sep 10 16:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | thank god for Australia | Sep 10 16:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | "it could have been much worse without us" | Sep 10 16:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | "nobody can stop the US. best you can do is go along with it" | Sep 10 16:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | "then bank the cheques later" | Sep 10 16:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | (Blair) | Sep 10 16:22 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canberra_class_landing_helicopter_dock | Sep 10 16:23 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Canberra class landing helicopter dock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 58.34 KB | Sep 10 16:23 |
| oiaohm | What kind of combat do you think those are configured for. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | illegal type | Sep 10 16:24 |
| oiaohm | Can you justify sending soliders and polites into the air and combat druged. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't care. i'm done. you think the war was necessary. I don't. | Sep 10 16:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know the modern strategy | Sep 10 16:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | the US uses it every time since WWII | Sep 10 16:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's boring. it kills huge numbers of civilians. and I'm not going to justify it like you diggers can. | Sep 10 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Those are configured for island hitting. | Sep 10 16:25 |
| oiaohm | Now that can either be aid or major unrest. | Sep 10 16:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | both of these rationalisations are corrupted | Sep 10 16:26 |
| oiaohm | Major unrest is normally brutal on our forces. | Sep 10 16:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: not if the forces aren't there | Sep 10 16:26 |
| oiaohm | You are aware the islands near australia contain deases that can be cripple australia food and other productions. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:27 |
| oiaohm | So we cannot afford populations being displaced from them. | Sep 10 16:27 |
| oiaohm | So yes we have to send either aid or mill force depending on what has gone wrong. | Sep 10 16:28 |
| oiaohm | We don't have any other option if we want to protect ourselfs from disaster. | Sep 10 16:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yeah yeah yeah | Sep 10 16:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: let's drop it. it's clear where you and I stand. | Sep 10 16:28 |
| *FurnaceBoy has to work | Sep 10 16:29 | |
| oiaohm | We also have deases here we have to be careful not to spreed either. | Sep 10 16:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | Americanism is pretty rife there | Sep 10 16:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | you want to contain that | Sep 10 16:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've heard Australia described as "English Texas" and it's not far off. | Sep 10 16:29 |
| oiaohm | Really it is far off. | Sep 10 16:30 |
| oiaohm | We have a history of helping in our area. We have support of most of the goverments in our area. | Sep 10 16:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Sep 10 16:30 |
| oiaohm | We even get invited in by goverments who don't like us. | Sep 10 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Because they know we will leave when the job is done. | Sep 10 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Australia is more americanised than, e.g. Canada. | Sep 10 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | I'm not interested in your patriotic myths. | Sep 10 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Americans are not invited into lot of areas here. | Sep 10 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | Howard tainted Australia irreparably | Sep 10 16:31 |
| oiaohm | Due to the bad habit of building bases and never leaving. | Sep 10 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: yet there are areas in Alice Springs where Australians aren't welcome. | Sep 10 16:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: of course they'll never leave. | Sep 10 16:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Alice is a little patch of CIA. | Sep 10 16:32 |
| oiaohm | No wrong place. | Sep 10 16:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | Pine Gap. | Sep 10 16:32 |
| oiaohm | Pine Gap is not that close to Alice springs. | Sep 10 16:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | close enough | Sep 10 16:33 |
| oiaohm | ? | Sep 10 16:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | the yanks live in Alice. more yanks in Alice Springs than in Toronto :D | Sep 10 16:33 |
| oiaohm | Half a days drive being close. | Sep 10 16:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | in desert terms that's next door. | Sep 10 16:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | but who cares? | Sep 10 16:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's CIA, for ever more | Sep 10 16:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | that was the point | Sep 10 16:33 |
| oiaohm | And that is without speed limits. | Sep 10 16:33 |
| oiaohm | wrong pine gap has australians. | Sep 10 16:34 |
| oiaohm | Its not CIA | Sep 10 16:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | so where is the CIA base? | Sep 10 16:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | Nurrungar | Sep 10 16:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | well whatever | Sep 10 16:36 |
| *FurnaceBoy goes back to work | Sep 10 16:36 | |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap Read the history of everyone who has got into Pinegap | Sep 10 16:37 |
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| oiaohm | So far not one person has done any major length of jail time FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:37 |
| oiaohm | There are far more dangous areas run by australian forces than the CIA stuff. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: oh, i'm sure plenty of antiwar activists have | Sep 10 16:38 |
| oiaohm | No FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:38 |
| oiaohm | If they make it as far as Pine Gap they have determination. | Sep 10 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: in fact, there's a #g20 'protester' still sitting in jail here | Sep 10 16:38 |
| oiaohm | And most judges let them off. | Sep 10 16:38 |
| oiaohm | You don't want to mess around the australian airforce top end base. | Sep 10 16:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/4290 | Sep 10 16:39 |
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| oiaohm | The bugger is protected by area dinial system. | Sep 10 16:39 |
| oiaohm | That if it not turned off it will auto target and kill. | Sep 10 16:40 |
| oiaohm | Pine gap not the only base of its type we have. | Sep 10 16:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie if we lost Pine gap minor problems. | Sep 10 16:40 |
| oiaohm | If we lost some of the major air bases big headaches. | Sep 10 16:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | for whom | Sep 10 16:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | not for iraqis | Sep 10 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Those air bases are used after cyclones and the like here as well to move resources stored out in the stable desert into the messed up zone. | Sep 10 16:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | isn't civilisation a wonderful thing | Sep 10 16:44 |
| oiaohm | They are kinda critical structs to australias internal opterations . | Sep 10 16:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | lucky nobody's bombing australia's 'critical structs' | Sep 10 16:44 |
| oiaohm | That just happen to be used for stop over points for USA aircraft. | Sep 10 16:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe Halliburton could rebuild Australia better than it was before | Sep 10 16:44 |
| oiaohm | At the momemt. | Sep 10 16:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | let's find out | Sep 10 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | let's pretend Australia was responsible for 9/11 | Sep 10 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'll rustle up a coalition to bomb you | Sep 10 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | then we'll hire a bunch of US companies to rebuild everything okay? | Sep 10 16:45 |
| oiaohm | The funny part is for a long time before the Iraq ware the USA goverment believe those bases were non operational. | Sep 10 16:45 |
| oiaohm | Yes location of our criticals are more exposed now than before the iraq war. | Sep 10 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | but watch out, we're going to bomb museums, libraries, schools, and hospitals and such, so make sure you get out of the way. and we'll be sure to bomb water supplies and sewerage systems because insurgents drink and shit too, you know | Sep 10 16:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | but don't worry! we'll put it all back together | Sep 10 16:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | we also want your leader. what's her name? Gillard. yeah. we'll hang her when we catch her | Sep 10 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | and we;ll go house to house to kill anyone who doesn't like this scheme | Sep 10 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | so make sure y'all just lie down and don't complain | Sep 10 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | cuz, you know, you bad guys. for 9/11 and shit. | Sep 10 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | people DIED on 9/11.. and somebody gotta pay, Mr Irqi | Sep 10 16:48 |
| oiaohm | Mind you if you wanted to hang the leader at the momment most of us would not care. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Not like they have been doing a good job. | Sep 10 16:50 |
| oiaohm | Were people fleeing iraq before 9/11 due to goverement actions yes. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:51 |
| oiaohm | Were lots of those people ending up in Australia yes. | Sep 10 16:51 |
| oiaohm | There were a lot things in the Australian goverment mind. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:51 |
| oiaohm | How are those imigratents entering australia. Mostly by boat without custom controls with the possiblity of bring stuff into australia that could be harmful. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:52 |
| oiaohm | You somehow think the iraq and those issues don't directly effect Australia. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | children overboard | Sep 10 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: of course they do. which is why Australia should never have been involved. | Sep 10 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Bali | Sep 10 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: 7/7 | Sep 10 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | both direct retaliations for iraq invasion | Sep 10 16:53 |
| oiaohm | Do nothing flow of people from that area will keep on coming. | Sep 10 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Do something might help the problem might not. | Sep 10 16:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Sep 10 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you're still trying to rationalise the invasion? | Sep 10 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: how many reasons do we have now ? 21? 65? | Sep 10 16:55 |
| oiaohm | Australia does try to stop people being forced to leave. | Sep 10 16:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | if australia wants to complain about boat people, it should look into the situation of Italy or Spain | Sep 10 16:56 |
| oiaohm | And traveling in ways that are risky to australia. | Sep 10 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | Australia is such a special case that it is laughable | Sep 10 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's amazing how immigration is even an issue | Sep 10 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | it exposes the inherent racism of the culture | Sep 10 16:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | as always | Sep 10 16:56 |
| oiaohm | There is a problem here FurnaceBoy Italy and Spain are not getting the same problem. | Sep 10 16:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you're kidding | Sep 10 16:57 |
| oiaohm | I am not. | Sep 10 16:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: how many people arrive in Italy ever day by boat? | Sep 10 16:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | australia has no issue with this. | Sep 10 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's unique in this respect | Sep 10 16:58 |
| oiaohm | a lot of people are shocked when they land in australian airport and they find a dog sniffing for fruit and food. | Sep 10 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | the whole issue is a political fabrication | Sep 10 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Australia has kept a lot of illnesses out. | Sep 10 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | bleh | Sep 10 16:58 |
| oiaohm | It also has a lot of unique illnesses | Sep 10 16:58 |
| FurnaceBoy | i don't have time for this nonsense, go google italy's immigration issues, or Spain's | Sep 10 16:58 |
| *FurnaceBoy goes to work | Sep 10 16:59 | |
| FurnaceBoy | or UK's | Sep 10 16:59 |
| oiaohm | You don't have the desease problems. | Sep 10 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | and Australia doesn't have any influx. | Sep 10 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a political invention | Sep 10 16:59 |
| oiaohm | We are happy to take those coming in by air | Sep 10 16:59 |
| oiaohm | or cargo boats | Sep 10 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | name some numbes | Sep 10 16:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | numebrs | Sep 10 17:00 |
| oiaohm | That go threw the protection process. | Sep 10 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Sweden took in something like 40,000 iraq refugees alone | Sep 10 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: how long does it take for 40,000 people to arrive in Australia BY BOAT? | Sep 10 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: i'm guessing about 500 years | Sep 10 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Note more come by air and cargo | Sep 10 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, DUH? | Sep 10 17:00 |
| oiaohm | Than by junk boats. | Sep 10 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course. | Sep 10 17:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | given the geography. | Sep 10 17:01 |
| oiaohm | The junk boats are a risk to our country. | Sep 10 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Sep 10 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | NUMBERS, oiaohm | Sep 10 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | NUMBERS! | Sep 10 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | how many per year? | Sep 10 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | how long does it take for 40,000 people to arrive in Australia BY BOAT? | Sep 10 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Most don't make land fall. | Sep 10 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | no shit! | Sep 10 17:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | how long does it take for 40,000 people to arrive in Australia BY BOAT? | Sep 10 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Intercepts see to that. | Sep 10 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | Italy gets 200,000 EVERY YEAR! | Sep 10 17:02 |
| oiaohm | The one case that did make land fall it was sad in one way. Most of the people on boat ended up dead. | Sep 10 17:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: HOW MANY PER YEAR??? | Sep 10 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Due to landing in area that you should not go. | Sep 10 17:02 |
| oiaohm | A radio active river. | Sep 10 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | radioactive river? | Sep 10 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | that seems like very good environmental management | Sep 10 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | Australia++ | Sep 10 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Its natrally that way. | Sep 10 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe they were recreating some of the levels in Half Life 2 | Sep 10 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Its only been radioactive for 30 000 years. | Sep 10 17:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | were there sand digging monsters too? | Sep 10 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Recent years it got less so. | Sep 10 17:04 |
| oiaohm | due to mining taking away the radioactive source. | Sep 10 17:04 |
| oiaohm | There area is light in wild life. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Nothing like halflife | Sep 10 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | damn | Sep 10 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | so no gravity gun | Sep 10 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie most things know to stay well clear of it. | Sep 10 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | right, i suppose they know how to use geiger counters | Sep 10 17:05 |
| oiaohm | Include the local tribes from that area. | Sep 10 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | the 'roos | Sep 10 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | and such | Sep 10 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | maybe this is where the X-Men come from | Sep 10 17:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | mutants | Sep 10 17:06 |
| oiaohm | That is the sign of the problem. | Sep 10 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's kind of exciting! | Sep 10 17:06 |
| oiaohm | No roos or other large creatures. | Sep 10 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | you could end up with mutant radioactive immigrants! | Sep 10 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Nop. | Sep 10 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | the government could make great hay out of this | Sep 10 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | imagine, indestructible mexicans with super powers | Sep 10 17:06 |
| oiaohm | The material there will see you dead before you can reproduce. | Sep 10 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | un-deportable | Sep 10 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | "shall we grant citizenship to mutant radioactive immigrant babies" | Sep 10 17:06 |
| oiaohm | Unless you are tri cromisom bacteria | Sep 10 17:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | "no detention centre can hold these monsters!" | Sep 10 17:07 |
| oiaohm | There are planits and toxins up the top end as well you don't want to go anywhere near. | Sep 10 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes fine if you know to avoid them. | Sep 10 17:08 |
| oiaohm | Really bad if you don't. | Sep 10 17:08 |
| oiaohm | I guess the boat people from spain also don't have the problem of running into storms and end up sunk as well FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 17:09 |
| oiaohm | No matter what australia is looking and seeing death happening. | Sep 10 17:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: oh, they do. it's the Mediterranean. | Sep 10 17:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: but they still get 200,000 crossed per year into Italy alone. | Sep 10 17:11 |
| oiaohm | How many of those boats are filled to not sea worthy. | Sep 10 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | the point is that the scale of the problem is very different. this is very much a non-problem for australia given its unique position in the world. | Sep 10 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | but. politically it has been blown into something. | Sep 10 17:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | children overboard. Howard didn't pay for that one, either. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| oiaohm | To australia due to desease control | Sep 10 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | doesn't hold water. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| oiaohm | 1 boat getting threw could be a nightmare. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | at all. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | nonsense. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | "foreigners are dirty!" | Sep 10 17:13 |
| oiaohm | We don't have foot and mouth in australia | Sep 10 17:13 |
| oiaohm | And a lot of other stuff that is common in your areas. | Sep 10 17:13 |
| oiaohm | But we do have some of our own that are a big enough problem. | Sep 10 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Like Q fever | Sep 10 17:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'd say anyone arriving by boat has more to fear from you than you have from them. years of detention, for one thing. | Sep 10 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Note Q fever is Australia unique. | Sep 10 17:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's not quarantine. that's imprisonment. | Sep 10 17:14 |
| oiaohm | People coming in by air and frieght get processed first. | Sep 10 17:15 |
| oiaohm | And the bad part is most of the ones coming on by boat should have made it threw near by countries processing. | Sep 10 17:16 |
| oiaohm | And came in by air. | Sep 10 17:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | 'bad part'? | Sep 10 17:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | you seem a victim of political inflation too | Sep 10 17:17 |
| oiaohm | But due to some of our near by countries taking and destroying the paper work of those people. | Sep 10 17:17 |
| oiaohm | They are left with no other option. | Sep 10 17:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | if there is one country in the world with a trivial immigration problem, it's australia | Sep 10 17:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | the only continent with fewer problems would be Antarctica | Sep 10 17:17 |
| oiaohm | The immigration really is not the problem. | Sep 10 17:17 |
| oiaohm | Its the how of the immigration. | Sep 10 17:17 |
| oiaohm | Yes its a hard thing for some people to get FurnaceBoy. Even inside australia there are particular areas were I can be jailed for simply carring in outside fruit. | Sep 10 17:19 |
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| oiaohm | Biosecuirty is a serious thing inside Australia. FurnaceBoy | Sep 10 17:20 |
| oiaohm | There are still many illnesses inside australia that will kill with no known cure. FurnaceBoy Only treatment to them is containment in case of outbreak. | Sep 10 17:23 |
| MinceR | I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. | Sep 10 17:24 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 10 17:24 |
| oiaohm | That is if you know where it source is. | Sep 10 17:25 |
| oiaohm | Not like you want to nuke all of australia | Sep 10 17:25 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: http://tpm.ly/brVxYL | Sep 10 17:31 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they are catching on. if you can get a book and a movie out there, you've won the PR battle | Sep 10 17:31 |
| schestowitz | brb, with mate here... | Sep 10 17:40 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/new?replyto=hteles&inreplyto=49813688 "here we go again @http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100904101642564 " | Sep 10 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/49434989#notice-49841476 "i am asking myself for years why ppl use apple (except artists), just to have a trendy webbrowser. you can do same with linux" | Sep 10 23:06 |
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| MinceR | nah, safari doesn't run on gnu/linux | Sep 10 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've tried it in WINE | Sep 10 23:13 |
| MinceR | does it work that way? | Sep 10 23:14 |
| oiaohm | Yep it does MinceR | Sep 10 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | worked sort of. it was a while ago that i tried (much older WINE). i only trashed the screenshots yesterday. | Sep 10 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | i also tried Windows Opera for some stupid reason. | Sep 10 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | (since i customarily run Linux Opera :) | Sep 10 23:17 |
| oiaohm | The newer the safari the more likely it will work in wine. | Sep 10 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | that worked too, methinks | Sep 10 23:17 |
| oiaohm | One of the rare programs like that. | Sep 10 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Most programs the newer it is the more likely it will screw up. | Sep 10 23:18 |
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