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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Globe and Mail also giving voice to BlairSep 12 01:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: saw it todaySep 12 01:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i tweeted the guardian story a couple of days agoSep 12 01:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's hit mainstream media hereSep 12 01:13
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: "Britain’s former PM is still struggling with his conscience over the invasion of Iraq"Sep 12 01:19
FurnaceBoylike hellSep 12 01:19
FurnaceBoy"Unless, of course, you’re among the legions (more so in Britain than on this side of the pond) who subscribe to the Phony Tony depiction of Blair. If so, the pain you feel reading this book will be entirely your own."Sep 12 01:21
FurnaceBoy"But you cannot help but commiserate, for this is a man (unlike some other world leaders) who has clearly grappled with his conscience."Sep 12 01:21
FurnaceBoyno, I wouldn't commiserate even if he were in jail for the rest of his life.Sep 12 01:22
FurnaceBoy"Blair admits that he would have been “bewildered and horrified” if, in 1997, someone had told him he would lead his country into four wars as prime minister."Sep 12 01:22
FurnaceBoy'subscribe to the Phony Tony depiction of Blair.' ???Sep 12 01:32
FurnaceBoyit's a *depiction*Sep 12 01:32
FurnaceBoyahhhhSep 12 01:32
FurnaceBoyjust a cruel political cartoonSep 12 01:32
schestowitzDem playa hataz' ☹Sep 12 01:41
FurnaceBoywho would be so cruel as to depict the Peace Envoy like this???Sep 12 01:43
FurnaceBoyit undermines his mission...Sep 12 01:43
FurnaceBoyand upsets him...Sep 12 01:43
FurnaceBoyit's like those people who throw food at himSep 12 01:44
schestowitzThey do?Sep 12 01:45
schestowitzIraq needs the foodSep 12 01:45
FurnaceBoyyes, eggs and tomatoes and such.Sep 12 01:45
FurnaceBoy'protesters'Sep 12 01:45
FurnaceBoyi.e. crazy peopleSep 12 01:46
FurnaceBoyarrest themSep 12 01:46
schestowitzPelting eggs is not effectiveSep 12 01:46
schestowitzit's what a villager might doSep 12 01:46
schestowitzThey have cyber means now for protestSep 12 01:46
FurnaceBoywaste of good eggs, it's trueSep 12 01:47
FurnaceBoybetter off frying TonySep 12 01:47
schestowitzNoSep 12 01:48
schestowitzBring to justiceSep 12 01:48
schestowitzTo redo history recordsSep 12 01:48
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FurnaceBoya metaphorical frying, thenSep 12 02:30
FurnaceBoya grillingSep 12 03:30
FurnaceBoynot Chilcott sycophancy... even then he was given the pulpit to put forward his versionSep 12 03:31
FurnaceBoyask any criminal whether his motives were pureSep 12 03:31
FurnaceBoyschestowitz | Pelting eggs is not effectiveSep 12 03:32
FurnaceBoy^^ it comes from powerlessnessSep 12 03:32
FurnaceBoywe can't get the authorities to look properly at iraq and blairSep 12 03:32
FurnaceBoynot in uk, not in usa, nowhereSep 12 03:32
oiaohmNotice with the Funeral perade no android.  schestowitzSep 12 03:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/09/the-neurobiology-of-evil.htmlSep 12 03:39
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schestowitzoiaohm: hiSep 12 08:30
schestowitzYes, I know about the mock funeralSep 12 08:30
schestowitzBut...Sep 12 08:30
schestowitzIt would help Microsoft if I just drew attention to it. I wait for good rebuttals first.Sep 12 08:30
oiaohmIts what they are doing a funeral of.Sep 12 09:18
oiaohmThey are putting closed source to rest.Sep 12 09:18
oiaohmAnd they are as closed source attending.Sep 12 09:19
oiaohmStunt of  a Mock Funeral also could be last waste of funds before they die.  schestowitzSep 12 09:20
oiaohmIts also Microsoft showing of there means not to spend advertising funding correctly.Sep 12 09:20
schestowitzThey alienate peopleSep 12 09:52
schestowitzhypePhone users won't defect to Vista Phone 7 if Microsoft does this insulting thingSep 12 09:52
schestowitzhttp://www.dailytech.com/Hades+Freezes+Over+Duke+Nukem+Forever+Makes+Comeback/article19544.htmSep 12 10:38
TechrightsBot-scTitle: DailyTech - Hades Freezes Over: Duke Nukem Forever Makes Comeback .::. Size~: 629.89 KBSep 12 10:38
schestowitzhttp://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/05/craigslist.censored/Sep 12 10:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Critic praises Craigslist move to censor ads, calls for more info - CNN.com .::. Size~: 46.07 KBSep 12 10:40
schestowitz"Online classified service Craigslist's decision to censor its adult services section is a "good step but a continuing battle has to be fought," a leader in the fight against prostitution ads said on Sunday."Sep 12 10:40
schestowitzCNN plays along with the FedsSep 12 10:40
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schestowitzhttp://openin.org/Sep 12 11:32
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Project OpenIndiana .::. Size~: 8.08 KBSep 12 11:32
schestowitzRMS to someone: "Sep 12 12:30
schestowitzArguing with Schlesinger the way you've been doing is at best a wasteSep 12 12:30
schestowitzof time, and if you aren't careful you can say something that givesSep 12 12:30
schestowitzhim a lever against you.  You really should not do so.Sep 12 12:30
schestowitz"Sep 12 12:30
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schestowitzoiaohm: http://www.reelseo.com/vlc-player-ipad/Sep 12 14:31
TechrightsBot-scTitle: VideoLAN’s VLC Player App To Show Up On iPad? It Depends On Apple’s Approval .::. Size~: 57.44 KBSep 12 14:31
schestowitzNot for sureSep 12 14:31
schestowitzGPL IIRCSep 12 14:31
oiaohmIt would be strange for VideoLAN to use anything bar GPL something.Sep 12 14:37
oiaohmEvery lib/applications they make is either under GPL or LGPLSep 12 14:37
schestowitzWhat licence was VLC?Sep 12 14:51
schestowitzI could not recall for sureSep 12 14:51
schestowitzI once read itSep 12 14:51
schestowitzBut I could be confused with another player's licenceSep 12 14:52
schestowitzhttp://thebeezspeaks.blogspot.com/2010/09/real-life-windows-xp.htmlSep 12 14:55
TechrightsBot-scTitle: The Beez' speaks..: An average Windows XP day .::. Size~: 71.46 KBSep 12 14:55
oiaohmVLC pure GPL some of the libs under it are LGPL.Sep 12 14:58
oiaohmMost of the VLC libs are pure GPL as well schestowitzSep 12 15:00
schestowitzThat's what I remembered from The HSep 12 15:02
schestowitzThe funny LGPL bitSep 12 15:02
oiaohmAlso applidium who has done the ipad port is not videolanSep 12 15:02
oiaohmSo most likely stuck to GPL only.Sep 12 15:03
schestowitzEnder2070:Sep 12 15:22
schestowitzSchlesinger and some of the involvedSep 12 15:22
schestowitzpeople seem like a dangerous neighbourhood. The best thing to do isSep 12 15:22
schestowitzignore it.Sep 12 15:22
schestowitzoiaohm: yeahSep 12 15:22
schestowitzoiaohm: VLC was never very Linux-oriented, was it?Sep 12 15:22
oiaohmVLC always had a Linux version.Sep 12 15:26
oiaohmBut its always been cross platform as well.Sep 12 15:26
schestowitzYeahSep 12 15:35
schestowitzWas it always FOSS?Sep 12 15:35
schestowitzWhat were its roots?Sep 12 15:36
oiaohmIt was always FOSSSep 12 15:38
oiaohmSome of its roots is DVD playback on Linux.Sep 12 15:39
oiaohmOk other than the 2 years it was a student project.  schestowitzSep 12 15:40
oiaohmFirst 2 years of Videolan it was a student project.Sep 12 15:41
oiaohm2001 it offically left educiation. 2009 it offically came a stand alone entity.Sep 12 15:43
oiaohmSo its young schestowitzSep 12 15:43
Ender2070I do ignore those peopleSep 12 15:48
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schestowitz[15:40] <oiaohm> Ok other than the 2 years it was a student project.  schestowitzSep 12 16:07
schestowitzThat's what I guessedSep 12 16:07
schestowitzSteve Jobs mocked VP8 calling it a student project or something along those linesSep 12 16:08
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/omgubuntu/statuses/24287504943 "Neat! @conscioususer just mentioned that that @omgubuntu has earned an "alternative name" from Boycott Novell - http://is.gd/f73Tj "Sep 12 16:17
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / OMG! UBUNTU!: Neat! @conscioususer just  ... .::. Size~: 12.57 KBSep 12 16:17
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Mono Outperformed by .NET Sometimes, Ubuntu Netbook Edition 10.10 Dumps Novells Banshee | Techrights .::. Size~: 90.29 KBSep 12 16:17
schestowitzIt's not a name for themSep 12 16:17
schestowitzIt's an older jokeSep 12 16:17
schestowitzI'll transcribe what I can from the episode http://mxc.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=632863Sep 12 16:30
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Open Tech Exchange .::. Size~: 11.27 KBSep 12 16:30
schestowitzSmoking gunsSep 12 16:30
schestowitzI am trying to give Nokia's CEO the benefit of the doubt. He worked for a long time and only 2 years at Microsoft. Ballmer's reaction worried me though. It's more like he was delighted. Nokiasoft...Sep 12 17:19
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: well, remember Microsoft is a cultSep 12 19:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it may well be that there are ties that bindSep 12 19:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: like i've said before, Microsoft is the bastard child of the Mafia and AmwaySep 12 19:04
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I am sure they ensure that there is 'personal' lock-in, especially for those who reach higher levelsSep 12 19:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: they cannot betray the cult. we're talking Skull'n'Bones here , in the tech industry.Sep 12 19:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it may well be a no-exit scenarioSep 12 19:05
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: pyramid scheme, tooSep 12 19:06
Ender20702 years is long enough to have received company orientationSep 12 19:10
schestowitzYesSep 12 19:12
FurnaceBoyrightSep 12 19:14
FurnaceBoyit's the same kind of 'we have you for life' thing they apply to their customersSep 12 19:14
FurnaceBoyimaigne how intense it must be applied to VPsSep 12 19:14
Ender2070someone who world work at microsoft is likely to have no issue drinking its koolaidSep 12 19:16
Ender2070wouldSep 12 19:16
FurnaceBoyriteSep 12 19:16
FurnaceBoyit's sold as "this is good for YOU .. and US"Sep 12 19:16
FurnaceBoylike AmwaySep 12 19:16
FurnaceBoyor Scientology etcSep 12 19:16
Ender2070miguel got an interview, he loved them so much he cloned their technologySep 12 19:17
FurnaceBoymore than an interview...Sep 12 19:17
Ender2070he wasnt even working thereSep 12 19:17
FurnaceBoyright. he's an agentSep 12 19:17
Ender2070a few interviewsSep 12 19:17
FurnaceBoyppl with appearances of independence are even more valuable...Sep 12 19:17
FurnaceBoyAsaySep 12 19:17
Ender2070he even got a FSF awardSep 12 19:18
Ender2070now he got a microsoft awardSep 12 19:18
Ender2070MVPSep 12 19:18
schestowitzHehSep 12 19:32
schestowitzAsay almost worked for MicrosoftSep 12 19:32
schestowitzBut anyway, FurnaceBoy, I did write about how it's a cultSep 12 19:32
schestowitzA European govt. delegate said soSep 12 19:32
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2008/04/20/scientology-microsoft/Sep 12 19:33
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Government Delegate Compares Microsoft Methods to “Scientology Cult” | Techrights .::. Size~: 138.32 KBSep 12 19:33
schestowitzSecondary: http://techrights.org/2010/05/07/slamming-apple-over-gizmodo/ http://techrights.org/2009/12/23/microsoft-religion-apple-cult/Sep 12 19:33
TechrightsBot-scTitle: When Brands Become Cults | Techrights .::. Size~: 118.2 KBSep 12 19:33
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Eye on Competition: Microsoft Religion, Apple Cult | Techrights .::. Size~: 105.2 KBSep 12 19:33
FurnaceBoycertainly it's a cult. one day we'll find out how they bind ex-execs to itSep 12 19:35
FurnaceBoywe can look at how other organizations do it.Sep 12 19:35
schestowitzHP..Sep 12 19:39
schestowitzWait and seeSep 12 19:39
schestowitzMaybe HP too will announce this week a new CEO from MicrooftSep 12 19:39
schestowitzNokia's was suspected to be a candidateSep 12 19:39
schestowitzFor HPSep 12 19:39
schestowitzAnd Bach could move to HPSep 12 19:39
schestowitzHe's another escaping Microsoft residentSep 12 19:39
schestowitzHe's another escaping Microsoft PresidentSep 12 19:39
schestowitzhttp://www.cringely.com/2010/09/wheres-the-beef/Sep 12 19:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: I, Cringely  » Blog Archive   » Wheres the Beef? - Cringely on technology .::. Size~: 38.18 KBSep 12 19:47
FurnaceBoyhah, nice slip. residentSep 12 19:48
schestowitzResident EvilSep 12 19:48
schestowitzResident Toll(R)Sep 12 19:48
schestowitzResident Troll(R)Sep 12 19:48
schestowitzThis guy used to hang out in our channels... http://kecskebak.blogspot.com/2010/09/showing-off.htmlSep 12 19:51
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Kecske Bak: Showing Off .::. Size~: 64.96 KBSep 12 19:51
schestowitzI hate the word "SEO"... http://www.webpronews.com/expertarticles/2010/09/10/13-ways-to-sabotage-your-seo-opportunitiesSep 12 20:03
TechrightsBot-scTitle: 13 Ways to Sabotage Your SEO Opportunities | WebProNews .::. Size~: 34.91 KBSep 12 20:03
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: it's the new alternative to having Content!Sep 12 20:32
schestowitzcontent is another bad wordSep 12 20:34
schestowitzArt takes passion and workSep 12 20:35
schestowitzContent is gunk, tooSep 12 20:35
FurnaceBoytrue. + innovationSep 12 21:01
FurnaceBoydo you have a list of these words?Sep 12 21:01
schestowitzIn a mental listSep 12 21:20
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/07/physics-lecturer-dem.htmlSep 12 21:20
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Physics lecturer demonstrating by unicycling across class with juggling student on shoulders - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 44.85 KBSep 12 21:20
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuhhpBJtMTw&NR=1Sep 12 21:21
TechrightsBot-scTitle:     YouTube        - University of Auckland lecturer on unicycle with student on his shoulders - juggling!!!   .::. Size~: 100.06 KBSep 12 21:21
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/barbour-tries-write-racism-history/Sep 12 21:26
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Mississippi governor tries to write Southern racism out of modern history |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 101.61 KBSep 12 21:26
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/blair-cheney-vision-possible-over-time/Sep 12 21:29
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Tony Blair: Cheneys vision not stupid, possible over time |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 72.56 KBSep 12 21:29
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: 66Sep 12 21:29
FurnaceBoywthSep 12 21:30
FurnaceBoyblair marks himself as an utter, dangerous, criminal extremist if he subscribes to thisSep 12 21:31
schestowitz"Since he began his trek to the presidency, Barack Obama and his staff have steadfastly knocked down allegations that he's secretly a terrorist-loving, Christian-hating, capitalism-destroying, secret Kenyan-Muslim agent here to take Americans' guns. (Or, something along those lines.)"Sep 12 21:32
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/appearing-fox-panel-news-corp-employees-blames-obama-muslim-rumors/Sep 12 21:32
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Fox News panelists try to blame Obama for Muslim rumors |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 50.23 KBSep 12 21:32
schestowitzMurdoch scumSep 12 21:32
FurnaceBoywthSep 12 21:34
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/israeli-fm-pushes-settlement-construction/Sep 12 21:34
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Israeli FM pushes for new settlement construction |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 31.58 KBSep 12 21:34
schestowitzvSep 12 21:36
schestowitzvSep 12 21:36
schestowitzhttp://helenair.com/news/article_e0299ac8-ba42-11df-a560-001cc4c03286.htmlSep 12 21:37
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Big Sky Tea Party cans chief .::. Size~: 43.86 KBSep 12 21:37
schestowitzJeffrey Goldberg did some classic US propaganda: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/castro-capitalist-system-no-longer-works/Sep 12 21:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Misinterpreted Castro: Capitalist system no longer works |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 48.57 KBSep 12 21:46
schestowitzCastro defended his modelSep 12 21:47
schestowitzUS journalist said the oppositeSep 12 21:47
schestowitzWhich got widely reportedSep 12 21:47
MinceRafaik the cuban economy isn't doing too wellSep 12 21:48
schestowitztrueSep 12 21:49
schestowitzBut AFAIK US sanctions don't helpSep 12 21:49
MinceRplanned economy doesn't help eitherSep 12 21:49
schestowitzI'm just going though this site now... http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/priest-sex-abuse-linked-13-suicides-belgium/Sep 12 21:49
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Priest sex abuse linked to 13 suicides in Belgium |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 31.17 KBSep 12 21:49
MinceRin fact, it has already wrecked the economy of the russian empire (USSR+subjugated states) so hard the empire fell apartSep 12 21:50
MinceRthe PRC only prospers because they realized socialism doesn't work and ditched itSep 12 21:50
schestowitz'Adam Price, a former Plaid Cymru MP, told Channel 4 News that a group of committee members shied away from the "nuclear option" of issuing a warrant for Brooks to attend after a senior Tory warned that News International would "go for us"."Sep 12 21:51
schestowitzMPs backed down from calling Rebekah Brooks to Commons - http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/sep/10/mps-backed-down-rebekah-brooksSep 12 21:51
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  MPs backed down from calling Rebekah Brooks to Commons | Media | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 75.58 KBSep 12 21:51
schestowitz"Sep 12 21:51
schestowitzBrooks was summoned to give evidence for the committee's report, Press Standards, Privacy and Libel. Most of the hearings were held in early 2009. But a second round of hearings were held in the summer after fresh allegations about phone hacking were published by the Guardian in July 2009.Sep 12 21:51
schestowitzThe committee was highly critical of News International, which said that the News of the World's former royal editor Clive Goodman, jailed for his role in phone hacking, was a rogue reporter. The committee accused Rupert Murdoch's company of "collective amnesia".Sep 12 21:51
schestowitz"Sep 12 21:51
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/record-increase-americans-poverty/Sep 12 21:52
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Record increase in number of Americans in poverty |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 52.56 KBSep 12 21:52
schestowitzMurdoch doesn't seem to cover much of thatSep 12 21:52
schestowitzWEstern povertySep 12 21:52
schestowitzArianna does the sentimental blackmail separately, to sell booksSep 12 21:53
schestowitzPoor her...Sep 12 21:53
schestowitzhttp://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-truth-about-honour-killings-2075317.htmlSep 12 21:54
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Robert Fisk: The truth about 'honour' killings -Robert Fisk, Commentators - The Independent .::. Size~: 121.8 KBSep 12 21:54
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/gingrich-obama-kenyan-fantasy-land/Sep 12 21:57
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Gingrich: Obama lives in Kenyan, anti-colonial fantasy land |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 50.78 KBSep 12 21:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: correct, Western poverty is under-reported. it's not a useful narrative.Sep 12 21:57
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: to uncover the causes for that would be to undermine Murdoch's clientsSep 12 21:58
FurnaceBoy*directly*Sep 12 21:58
FurnaceBoyArianna isn't interested in real poverty.Sep 12 21:58
FurnaceBoyshe wants the attention of the 'vanishing middle class'Sep 12 21:58
FurnaceBoyreal poverty isn't her bagSep 12 21:59
FurnaceBoythen it gets dangerousSep 12 21:59
FurnaceBoypeople start talking guillotinesSep 12 21:59
FurnaceBoyand her neck looks pretty schweetSep 12 21:59
FurnaceBoyhttp://twitter.com/Blackdogworld/status/24313668589Sep 12 21:59
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / Barbara Matthiessen: The United States of Inequ ... .::. Size~: 12.53 KBSep 12 21:59
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/dctpi/george_w_bush_claimed_invading_iraq_was_gods/Sep 12 23:53
TechrightsBot-scTitle: George W. Bush claimed invading Iraq was God's choosing. Why isn't he being called a radical Christian extremist like the Muslims who are branded as extremists that kill in the name of Allah? : politics .::. Size~: 483.23 KBSep 12 23:53
schestowitzOld news, no?Sep 12 23:53
schestowitzThe French president was told this like ages ago and it made the news ~2 years agoSep 12 23:54
schestowitzNo WOMDSep 12 23:54
schestowitzBut in the US you have to believe without evidence to get electedSep 12 23:54
schestowitzYou need to have faith in invisible man/menSep 12 23:54
schestowitzOr invisible weaponsSep 12 23:55
schestowitzMaybe the WMOD are in the 'soul' of missiles they foundSep 12 23:55

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