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| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Sep 13 00:03 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: General Boykin, biblical daily briefings prepared by Rumsfeld casting the war in Biblical/CHristian terms in order to keep that retarded piece of shit on message | Sep 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | sighs tooo | Sep 13 00:15 |
| Ender2070 | no but you have WORDS OF MASS DESTRUCTION | Sep 13 00:16 |
| Ender2070 | terrorists | Sep 13 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Fanbois are like a botnet: v | Sep 13 00:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/204939/ping_attracts_1_million_users_in_48_hours.html?tk=rss_news | Sep 13 00:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Ping Attracts 1 Million Users in 48 Hours - PCWorld .::. Size~: 67.22 KB | Sep 13 00:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/205103/russia_investing_in_sistemaand8217s_indian_mobile_company.html?tk=rss_news | Sep 13 00:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Russia Investing in Sistemas Indian Mobile Company - PCWorld .::. Size~: 66.64 KB | Sep 13 00:20 |
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| schestowitz | I've just dumped all the IDG feeds I had (RSS) | Sep 13 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | Florian: | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > If you link me to Microsoft though I comply with EU transparency rules and | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > the FFII doesn't, you apply double standards. But at least you shouldn't | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > attribute to me what the FFII said: | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > "- “Fidel is reportedly cool with free software http://bit.ly/bxCy36 “ | Sep 13 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | > | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > That was an FFII tweet addressed to me. | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > Anyway, I don't "smear" organizations if I disagree and criticize. | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > Concerning Eben Moglen, if you had to pick one celebrity bearing significant | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > resemblance, visually and ideologically, who would that be? Any better | Sep 13 11:10 |
| schestowitz | > suggestion? | Sep 13 11:10 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/49834835#notice-50247245 "Agreed. Hopefully it doesn't end up like the Joojoo. So far the venture seems positive." | Sep 13 13:57 |
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| schestowitz | Trolls use x-noarchive to lie: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/4e89d3c5302cef98# | Sep 13 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: comp.os.linux.advocacy | Google Groups .::. Size~: 28.29 KB | Sep 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/0a5aaccaa01cbf50# | Sep 13 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: comp.os.linux.advocacy | Google Groups .::. Size~: 28.29 KB | Sep 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Apparently the guy in this video has just retired, opening up a new vacancy: | Sep 13 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vAfXNzXueE | Sep 13 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - THE MOST RACIST COMMERCIAL EVER!!!!!!!! .::. Size~: 107.04 KB | Sep 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Sweaty the Impaler is well qualified for the position: | Sep 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4hyATkQ74 | Sep 13 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Trolls' intimidation tactics: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/3044205cc500247b# | Sep 13 17:41 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: comp.os.linux.advocacy | Google Groups .::. Size~: 28.29 KB | Sep 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | "PJ: I think it's hilarious when legislators are faced with the reality of the laws they and their partners have passed. It would be so nice if when people pass laws, they thought about what it would be like to be charged with violating the proposed law. It'd at least slow them down." | Sep 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.lvrj.com/news/angle-faces-copyright-lawsuit-over-r-j-articles-102211129.html | Sep 13 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: POSSIBLE INFRINGEMENT: Angle faces copyright lawsuit over R-J articles - News - ReviewJournal.com .::. Size~: 96.95 KB | Sep 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | For some reason RMS thought I was resident of Australia and wanted to meet up | Sep 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2010/09/reasonable-and-non-discriminatoryaint/index.htm | Sep 13 18:00 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Fair, Reasonable And Non-Discriminatory...Ain't - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 55.21 KB | Sep 13 18:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: PJ is a dreamer. | Sep 13 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: I love her. but. | Sep 13 18:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: she should know these laws were NEVER MEANT to apply uniformly. | Sep 13 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Dreamer how? | Sep 13 18:01 |
| schestowitz | YEah, she's apologist for the legal establishment, but you can see why | Sep 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | She does this for a living | Sep 13 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, i don't really criticise her. | Sep 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | She also sued to defend patens | Sep 13 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | i think she's fantastic. | Sep 13 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | but that remark seems naive | Sep 13 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | oddly | Sep 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | At least they weaned her off that | Sep 13 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | esp wrt patents | Sep 13 18:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | she has every reason to be bitter about the way the legal system is a toy of the rich | Sep 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | It is | Sep 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | That's what makes lawyers so rich | Sep 13 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | it certainly is. | Sep 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | They protect the rich | Sep 13 18:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've seen it close-hand | Sep 13 18:03 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: got a Web site/blog? | Sep 13 18:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/09/does-hurds-new-oracle-gig-prove-business-ethics-dont-matter/62559/ | Sep 13 18:04 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: twitter | Sep 13 18:04 |
| *FurnaceBoy ducks | Sep 13 18:04 | |
| schestowitz | use identica too | Sep 13 18:05 |
| schestowitz | one fell swoop | Sep 13 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | the problem is i have my social circle on tweeta | Sep 13 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | i'm locked in! | Sep 13 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | :| | Sep 13 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | like many of my friends are on Fb | Sep 13 18:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's a Sarlacc pit | Sep 13 18:05 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw does not challenge the system anyway | Sep 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I learned this long ago | Sep 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | It also evades politics at all costs | Sep 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand how one can totally separate different areas of life | Sep 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | In E-mail she'd speak politics | Sep 13 18:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | hm | Sep 13 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | interesting point | Sep 13 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mistrust people who won't discuss politics | Sep 13 18:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | the 'apolitical' | Sep 13 18:08 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Sep 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | They let others do the work | Sep 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | "Don't worry, politicians look after us" | Sep 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | [and after their post-tenure days" | Sep 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | aka payback time | Sep 13 18:09 |
| schestowitz | 'open ' government: http://challenge.gov/ | Sep 13 18:10 |
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| schestowitz | "Look, we started another site" | Sep 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | it's 'open; | Sep 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | PJ: "The bottom line is Codeplex.com did a nice thing, whatever you use, because choice is always a good thing." http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=2 | Sep 13 18:14 |
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| schestowitz | /s/Codeplex.com/Microsoft shell/ | Sep 13 18:14 |
| MinceR | yes, politicians are after us | Sep 13 18:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | ouch | Sep 13 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | Monty Widenius + Codeplex | Sep 13 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | and probably a few other turncoats | Sep 13 18:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | with a very distorted idea of open | Sep 13 18:17 |
| schestowitz | and Florian as lobbyist | Sep 13 18:18 |
| MinceR | i didn't know monty was that shady | Sep 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Where do you see Monty now? | Sep 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | THe article? | Sep 13 18:18 |
| schestowitz | "PJ: He defends OIN, calling its help constant and effective. "It's a big help," Moglen states, adding that many undesirable things would have happened in the last three years had it not been for OIN." | Sep 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | I call it "oink' | Sep 13 18:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i saw codeplex and thought of monty who;s involved with it. | Sep 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Sep 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | As advisor | Sep 13 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Not a major role | Sep 13 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he wants to elevate mariaDB thought AZune [sic] | Sep 13 18:20 |
| MinceR | Azoun IV? :> | Sep 13 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Wotz dat? | Sep 13 18:33 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a Japanese game | Sep 13 18:34 |
| MinceR | http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Azoun_IV | Sep 13 18:35 |
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| schestowitz | "Over the coming months, Verizon will announce the launch of new Android devices, which will be pre-loaded with Bing. The deal for Verizon Android devices is not exclusive." http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/bing_on_verizon_androids_microsoft_finally_getting_what_it_paid_for.html | Sep 13 18:42 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Bing on Verizon Androids: Mobile search redemption for Microsoft? .::. Size~: 57.71 KB | Sep 13 18:42 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <jono> so any more word from Ryan? | Sep 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <schestowitz> No. Still gone. | Sep 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <jono> wow | Sep 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <jono> I wonder what he is doing | Sep 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <schestowitz> Me too | Sep 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz |  | Sep 13 18:43 |
| schestowitz | [18:08] <jono> hope he is ok | Sep 13 18:43 |
| MinceR | you care too much | Sep 13 18:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: as a scientist, you may be very interested in tihs paper, which echoes something a said a few weeks ago: http://ifile.it/6u5nbqy/jordi.pdf | Sep 13 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: request download ticket | ifile.it .::. Size~: 12.53 KB | Sep 13 18:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | sorry about the lame download site. | Sep 13 18:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you want a direct link i'll arrange one | Sep 13 18:46 |
| *schestowitz looks | Sep 13 18:46 | |
| FurnaceBoy | something I said* | Sep 13 18:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/suavemint/status/24321366460 | Sep 13 18:47 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / James Orcutt: Fuck me, Mathematica for S ... .::. Size~: 12.39 KB | Sep 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | should use actave | Sep 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Octave | Sep 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | not matlab/mapel/mathematica | Sep 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | lockin | Sep 13 18:50 |
| schestowitz | for one's own code | Sep 13 18:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | well yes. but there's a burgeoning catastrophe for science | Sep 13 18:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | Mma has *millions* of users. | Sep 13 18:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://everything2.com/title/Mathematica+and+free+software | Sep 13 18:51 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mathematica and free software@Everything2.com .::. Size~: 46.6 KB | Sep 13 18:51 |
| MinceR | there's a mathematics module even for python :) | Sep 13 18:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | um, right, but comparing that to mathematica is like comparing a bicycle and an aircraft carrier. | Sep 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | wow, e2 finally has support for external links | Sep 13 19:07 |
| MinceR | hm, apparently i was thinking of SAGE | Sep 13 19:08 |
| MinceR | or maybe not | Sep 13 19:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | yeah there are semi-sophisticated systems, but it doesn't really address the elephant in the room | Sep 13 19:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is that what is done with Mathematica (or any closed system) is not really Science | Sep 13 19:14 |
| MinceR | well, don't do it with mathematica, then. | Sep 13 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | um | Sep 13 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | who you talking to? | Sep 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | you? | Sep 13 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | me or the MILLIONS of people who use Mma daily? | Sep 13 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | tell THEM! | Sep 13 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Sep 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 13 19:15 |
| MinceR | they aren't listening | Sep 13 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | I've had this concern with Mma for years | Sep 13 19:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | you'd think it was bloody obvious | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | Mixed Martial Arts | Sep 13 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | i expect an increasing scandal as scientists realise they can't, or can't afford to, run their old notebooks. | Sep 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | i hope you're right | Sep 13 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | it implicates all the known problems of data and code obsolescence, too, even apart from the licensing debacle. | Sep 13 19:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Mma version X runs only on operating system Y which runs only on hardware Z. | Sep 13 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | and these things are ratcheting along all the time. | Sep 13 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | in 5 yrs you might be S.O.L. | Sep 13 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | in 50? forget it. | Sep 13 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | you WON'T be able to reproduce those results. | Sep 13 19:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | even if you still have the files. | Sep 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | http://ifile.it/6u5nbqy/jordi.pdf | Sep 13 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: request download ticket | ifile.it .::. Size~: 12.53 KB | Sep 13 19:19 |
| schestowitz | can't access | Sep 13 19:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: same text, FurnaceBoy | http://everything2.com/title/Mathematica+and+free+software | Sep 13 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mathematica and free software@Everything2.com .::. Size~: 46.6 KB | Sep 13 19:20 |
| schestowitz | ah | Sep 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | ok | Sep 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | familiar | Sep 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | but old | Sep 13 19:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | As a mathematician, I am deeply convinced that only free programs are acceptable from a scientific point of view. I see two main reasons for this: | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | * A result computed by a "mathematical" system, whose source code is not public, can not be accepted as part of a mathematical proof. | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | * Just as a mathematician should be able to build theorems on top of other theorems, it should be possible to freely modify and release algorithms of mathematical software. | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | I don't use it | Sep 13 19:22 |
| schestowitz | tex only for me | Sep 13 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Sep 13 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | but millions of ppl do use it daily | Sep 13 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | i expect this scandal to grow over time | Sep 13 19:22 |
| FurnaceBoy | people will try to take their work home | Sep 13 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | or, try to archive results in a library, after retiring,or.. | Sep 13 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | and find they can't do anything | Sep 13 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | that it's all, effectively, lost. | Sep 13 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no real way to understate this problem | Sep 13 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | it works on several levels | Sep 13 19:23 |
| schestowitz | just dented | Sep 13 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | 1) licensing | Sep 13 19:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | 2) technical ability to access the data and run the code | Sep 13 19:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | 3) closed algorithms | Sep 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | harms science | Sep 13 19:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | and probably a few more | Sep 13 19:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: KILLS it. | Sep 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | reproducisbility is high priority | Sep 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | e.g. when you publish paper | Sep 13 19:24 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | now the paper says "I used this blob to..." | Sep 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Access this paper 40 years late | Sep 13 19:24 |
| schestowitz | company is gone | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | s/w not available | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | no source code | Sep 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | no old versions, either | Sep 13 19:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | ya. | Sep 13 19:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | 3) blob you don't know what 's in it | Sep 13 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | 2) can't run the blob | Sep 13 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | 1) aren't allowed to run the blob | Sep 13 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | = lost research | Sep 13 19:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | whole lifetimes of work ... erased | Sep 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Good for wolframalpha | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | gatekeeeper to science | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | "come to use, we hold the ket" | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | *key | Sep 13 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Same problem with Microsoft | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Office/OOXML/binaries | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They get contracts from it | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | E.g. British Librar/National Archives needing to virtualise win3.1 to access old contet | Sep 13 19:28 |
| schestowitz | They call up Microsoft | Sep 13 19:28 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Sep 13 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | the analogy to Microsoft is quite profound | Sep 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | FFII | Sep 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Sep 13 19:31 | |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz http://www.r-project.org/ http://rkward.sourceforge.net/ | Sep 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/FFII/status/24405360186 | Sep 13 19:31 |
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| FurnaceBoy | "the gatekeeper to Science" | Sep 13 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | = Wolfram Research | Sep 13 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's just fracking evil. | Sep 13 19:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | no other way to put it. | Sep 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Could become a troll | Sep 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Like Teaul Allen | Sep 13 19:31 |
| schestowitz | *Traul | Sep 13 19:32 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you should µblog via identica with forwards to Digg | Sep 13 19:54 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: http://openin.org/ | Sep 13 19:56 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5igQ0sCYweva_6aqhtgz8NXSodMbg | Sep 13 19:57 |
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| Quadrescence | Hello I do think we need to boycott Novell | Sep 13 20:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: please meet my friend schestowitz | Sep 13 20:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: also @schestowitz on Twitter and Identi.ca | Sep 13 20:16 |
| Quadrescence | Hello schestowitz. | Sep 13 20:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this is my mathematical terror1st friend, Quad | Sep 13 20:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | who linked me to that Jordi G. H. paper | Sep 13 20:17 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 "PJ: Notice that Google's Android does not block Bing in any way. Yoo hoo. Talking to the Texas AG here." | Sep 13 20:43 |
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| schestowitz | hi, Quadrescence | Sep 13 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Sorry, was talking to a lady here.. | Sep 13 20:43 |
| Quadrescence | oh là là | Sep 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Got your highlighted messages | Sep 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: ah, so you know the Don, Tobin ;-) | Sep 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Got the goods? j/k | Sep 13 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: ah, so you know the Don, Tobin ;-) | Sep 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | oops | Sep 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | [20:16] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: this is my mathematical terror1st friend, Quad | Sep 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | What's a mathematical terror1st? | Sep 13 20:45 |
| schestowitz | How can one intimidate powers into submission using maths? | Sep 13 20:45 |
| MinceR | easily | Sep 13 20:46 |
| MinceR | nuclear and thermonuclear bombs were some examples of using maths to great effect ;) | Sep 13 20:47 |
| schestowitz | More likes physics/applied maths, chemistry and other disciplines | Sep 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Besides, it was deistic nutters who usually set off those bombs | Sep 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | Those who are stupid crave power | Sep 13 20:50 |
| schestowitz | To compensate... inferiority complex | Sep 13 20:51 |
| MinceR | applied maths all the way ;) | Sep 13 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Yes, it's all applied somehow | Sep 13 20:51 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/435/ | Sep 13 20:51 |
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| schestowitz | To say "applied math" is like to say "applied intercourse" | Sep 13 20:51 |
| MinceR | sounds kinky | Sep 13 20:52 |
| schestowitz | I love this one | Sep 13 20:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he terrorises math | Sep 13 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Who's math? | Sep 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | The Big Bang? | Sep 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | How do you terrorise the Bang? | Sep 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | With another suicide Bang? | Sep 13 20:53 |
| MinceR | though math terrorism brings something else to mind | Sep 13 20:53 |
| schestowitz | logic bombs? | Sep 13 20:53 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/207/ | Sep 13 20:54 |
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| MinceR | panel 3 | Sep 13 20:54 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Sep 13 20:56 |
| Quadrescence | FurnaceBoy is a programming terrorist | Sep 13 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Tell the CIA to train some dudes to assassinate him | Sep 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Make it look like he fell down the stairs | Sep 13 21:00 |
| MinceR | for(;;) ++fear; | Sep 13 21:00 |
| schestowitz | Fail | Sep 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Patented by Bush | Sep 13 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Pay up | Sep 13 21:01 |
| Quadrescence | only bush would forget that on an n-bit system, ++fail will overflow at 2^(n-1) | Sep 13 21:01 |
| MinceR | does the EPO take business process patents as well? | Sep 13 21:01 |
| Quadrescence | by overflow i mean roll over | Sep 13 21:02 |
| Quadrescence | toroidally | Sep 13 21:02 |
| MinceR | Quadrescence: but it will immediately continue increasing :> | Sep 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.groklaw.net/newsitems.php?page=1 links to " | Sep 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | * | Sep 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | * Apple products are a mutant virus, but PC brands will eventually find a cure, says Acer founder | Sep 13 21:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 32.16 KB | Sep 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it wasn't a business process | Sep 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | It was a business ORDER | Sep 13 21:02 |
| schestowitz | INDAVE SOB! | Sep 13 21:03 |
| *MinceR doesn't get it | Sep 13 21:03 | |
| schestowitz | Bush for business | Sep 13 21:03 |
| schestowitz | nm | Sep 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I mixed two messages | Sep 13 21:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yours and Quadrescence... thought it was from the same person | Sep 13 21:04 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 13 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: lol@ logic bombs | Sep 13 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: I hope you'll lurk here | Sep 13 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: schestowitz has another more formal channel | Sep 13 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: #techrights | Sep 13 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: and a site, http://techrights.org | Sep 13 21:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 38.39 KB | Sep 13 21:07 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2010/09/09/mark-hurd-to-speak-at-oracles-annual-conference/ | Sep 13 21:18 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Mark Hurd to Speak at Oracles Annual Conference - Digits - WSJ .::. Size~: 83.44 KB | Sep 13 21:18 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: thanks for introducing us to Quadrescence | Sep 13 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Sep 13 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's good VALUE (pun intended) | Sep 13 21:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he's very conscious of the lack of free-dom embodied in Mathematica | Sep 13 21:19 |
| schestowitz | PJ has just advertised this: http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2010/09/wanted-style-stickler-willing-to-work-for-9-bosses.html | Sep 13 21:25 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Wanted: Style Stickler Willing to Work for 9 Bosses - The BLT: The Blog of Legal Times .::. Size~: 62.98 KB | Sep 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand why she keeps feeding patent lawyers | Sep 13 21:25 |
| schestowitz | Well, actually I do understand, I just don't think it's useful to devs, just lawyers/paralegals | Sep 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I did a lot of matlab | Sep 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | I was ranked #1 in the world at MATLAB Central | Sep 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | But it helped make Mathworks stronger | Sep 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | THey were gonna offer me a job | Sep 13 21:26 |
| schestowitz | and wiring a book | Sep 13 21:27 |
| schestowitz | *writing | Sep 13 21:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow. | Sep 13 21:27 |
| *FurnaceBoy didn't know this | Sep 13 21:27 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/09/13/judge.impeachment/index.html?hpt=T2 | Sep 13 21:28 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Impeachment trial of federal judge gets under way in U.S. Senate - CNN.com .::. Size~: 48.4 KB | Sep 13 21:28 |
| schestowitz | "The U.S. Senate on Monday started the impeachment trial of federal judge G. Thomas Porteous Jr. -- the first such trial since the impeachment of former President Bill Clinton in 1999." | Sep 13 21:29 |
| schestowitz | http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/09/study-warns-of-perilous-oil-crisis/ | Sep 13 21:31 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Error processing the URL: .::. Size~: 0 KB | Sep 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I've just had to explain this to someone over here... | Sep 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | People won't drive around endlessly | Sep 13 21:31 |
| schestowitz | We need more mules than people :-/ | Sep 13 21:32 |
| schestowitz | DX advertising from /. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/09/12/2018229/IE9-Team-Says-Our-GPU-Acceleration-Is-Better-Than-Yours | Sep 13 21:39 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Slashdot Technology Story | IE9 Team Says "Our GPU Acceleration Is Better Than Yours" .::. Size~: 171.87 KB | Sep 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz | They also advertised the "Funeral" stunt | Sep 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz | Disappointing | Sep 13 21:39 |
| schestowitz | http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/09/13/0459201/Anti-US-Hacker-Takes-Credit-For-Worm | Sep 13 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Slashdot IT Story | Anti-US Hacker Takes Credit For Worm .::. Size~: 156.97 KB | Sep 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | "Anti-US"? | Sep 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | What about the UK, or imperialism? | Sep 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | THey make it sound like Iraqis are just a hateful bunch | Sep 13 21:40 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy will have a say on it | Sep 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | "Just a US basher, no real, legitimate grievance here" | Sep 13 21:41 |
| schestowitz | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/10/09/13/168226/Lawyer-Smokes-Pages-From-the-Koran-and-Bible?from=rss | Sep 13 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Slashdot Idle Story | Lawyer Smokes Pages From the Koran and Bible .::. Size~: 116.07 KB | Sep 13 21:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.news.com.au/national/lawyer-alex-stewart-smokes-pages-from-the-koran-and-bible-and-says-we-should-get-over-book-burning/story-e6frfkvr-1225919970728 | Sep 13 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Queensland lawyer Alex Stewart smokes pages from the Koran and Bible | News.com.au .::. Size~: 78.81 KB | Sep 13 21:44 |
| schestowitz | Right on | Sep 13 21:44 |
| schestowitz | "It's just a f---ing book," he says. "Who cares? It's your beliefs that matter. Quite frankly, if you are going to get upset about a book, you're taking life way too seriously." | Sep 13 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Sep 13 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: marginalising description | Sep 13 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: nobody would want to stand up and say "Hey! I'm ANti-US" you might get shot at. | Sep 13 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i had to tell a co-worker this week, | Sep 13 21:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "I judge actions, nto countries." | Sep 13 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's a flavour of exceptionalism that they don't see that it's about BEHAVIOUR | Sep 13 21:51 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: NOT IDENTITY | Sep 13 21:51 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Had a chat about it earlier | Sep 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Lots or these rants | Sep 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Loyalty to "things" | Sep 13 22:00 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, he's just a US hater, don't pay attention to him..." | Sep 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Replace US with "Microsoft" | Sep 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Same drill | Sep 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz | There are labels like these | Sep 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz | "anti-Microsoft" | Sep 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Novell staff tried to create "Novell hater" a;bel | Sep 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz | 8label | Sep 13 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Desparate attempt to diiscredit critics with off-the-shelf label | Sep 13 22:02 |
| MinceR | companies replace countries | Sep 13 22:02 |
| schestowitz | What are countries? | Sep 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz | [No dictionary def] | Sep 13 22:05 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/webmink/status/24140040101 "http://twitter.com/mgeist/statuses/24282086911" | Sep 13 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Simon Phipps: @migueldeicaza It's good b ... .::. Size~: 12.64 KB | Sep 13 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Michael Geist: NYT reports Russia using I ... .::. Size~: 9.41 KB | Sep 13 22:07 |
| schestowitz | "@migueldeicaza It's good but I disagree with the assertion about GPL/handset vendors. The Classpath exception likely gives enough protection" | Sep 13 22:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that's actually a good argument for techrights as a brand versus boycottnovell | Sep 13 22:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it may help explain why the boycott israel movement is having trouble getting going - branding | Sep 13 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | it "looks" anti-israel, while of course it is actually anti-genocide, anti-murder, anti-oppression, anti-apartheid, and pro-human rights | Sep 13 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | see: South Africa | Sep 13 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | anti-Apartheid | Sep 13 22:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: so "anti-US" is a COMPLETE piece of disinformation | Sep 13 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: even "anti-war" is better | Sep 13 22:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | while still being propaganda label) | Sep 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: it may help explain why the boycott israel movement is having trouble getting going - branding | Sep 13 22:11 |
| schestowitz | The Insrael thing gets transformed into race | Sep 13 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes. | Sep 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | As in "boycott Israel"=against Semites | Sep 13 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | to be pro-human rights is to be branded anti-semitic | Sep 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | But it needs to target the govt more | Sep 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | Not formers | Sep 13 22:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | which is ridiculous -- Palestinians are semites | Sep 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | I think even Palestinian farmers are hurt by such boycotts | Sep 13 22:12 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yes | Sep 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | But it's a nationalist thing to some | Sep 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | governments | Sep 13 22:13 |
| schestowitz | Goes back to my unanswered questio: | Sep 13 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: so the parallel to anti-US is equally absurd | Sep 13 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | i mean, equally apt | Sep 13 22:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | since, the US is not monolithic | Sep 13 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | why would I be anti-(anti-war US) | Sep 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <schestowitz> What are countries? | Sep 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | COntinents I can see... | Sep 13 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's anther clever way of asserting tribal homogeneity | Sep 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | That's a natural unit | Sep 13 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | a homogeneity which doesn't exist | Sep 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | Dividing by mountains/rivers=vague | Sep 13 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | even israel is not homogeneous | Sep 13 22:14 |
| schestowitz | "You live beyond this mountain"=I hate you | Sep 13 22:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | a growing number of people are becoming aware of their government;'s posture | Sep 13 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: next village | Sep 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I think apporoval rate of te govt is very low | Sep 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Hawkish | Sep 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Not democratic | Sep 13 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: right | Sep 13 22:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: and dropping | Sep 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Keep the Net open | Sep 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | It gets people talking | Sep 13 22:15 |
| schestowitz | Not the official/approved media | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | p2p reportig | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | People among people | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Class war | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | Not war vs external figure | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | The internal issues over control | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | govt love to make us external enemies | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | To distract from class wars | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | It was thr Russian | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | When that was over, they made another one up | Sep 13 22:16 |
| schestowitz | China will be next | Sep 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Cause enough was done to devastate the image of Muslins | Sep 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | 1.5 billion people=15 hijackers | Sep 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | The Western media still evokes 9/11 images | Sep 13 22:17 |
| schestowitz | Almost a decade later | Sep 13 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Like Japan with the strike or some with The Holocaust | Sep 13 22:18 |
| schestowitz | And it's a weapon of generalisation | Sep 13 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Then there are 9/11 attack sympathisers | Sep 13 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Who are characterised as those who would have done it too | Sep 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | And invasions only increase sympathy among those people,not decrease them by killing the problem | Sep 13 22:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | absolutely. | Sep 13 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | simple arithmetic. | Sep 13 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | again, only exceptionalism can stand in the way of this simple understanding. | Sep 13 22:23 |
| FurnaceBoy | a country that never experienced falling bombs, sure drops a lot of them. | Sep 13 22:23 |
| schestowitz | Attacks on US soil is very rare | Sep 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | But citizens too are well armed | Sep 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | The Chinese would not do enough defeating, say, the military at bay | Sep 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | Many citizens stockpile arms | Sep 13 22:28 |
| schestowitz | You have to wonder, what does the US need SO MUCH weaponry | Sep 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | More than the world's combined (ex. USA) | Sep 13 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they don't. | Sep 13 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they don't need any of it. | Sep 13 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: this is a basic insanity | Sep 13 22:29 |
| schestowitz | If you were an alien observing US arsenal you'd think the US is either paranoid or preparing to fight alients | Sep 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: it's the Indutrial Complex wanting all the money | Sep 13 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes, there's that. | Sep 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Production in excess | Sep 13 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | but they don't need any of the private weaponry either. | Sep 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Any plane that's build feeds their system | Sep 13 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | both phenomena have produced an unsafe world and an unsafe continent | Sep 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | They just need to exaggerate threat and make wars | Sep 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Wars=using up weapons | Sep 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | So you need to make new ones | Sep 13 22:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: one of the GOP said, "The only way to get rid of nuclear weapons is to use them." | Sep 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | The cyber-insecurity industry does the same by scaring legislators | Sep 13 22:31 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Limbaugh | Sep 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | [22:31] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: one of the GOP said, "The only way to get rid of nuclear weapons is to use them." | Sep 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Use them for energy | Sep 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Oil industry would go nuclear/ballistic over it :-) | Sep 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | "Create job, make more bomb factories" | Sep 13 22:32 |
| Quadrescence | [15:06.44] <FurnaceBoy> Quadrescence: I hope you'll lurk here | Sep 13 22:33 |
| Quadrescence | yeah def | Sep 13 22:33 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: Do you have strong feelings about software and stuff? Have you ever written a program? | Sep 13 22:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: dude, see above, he's a MATLAB Olympian (which I didn't know) | Sep 13 22:42 |
| Quadrescence | What is that | Sep 13 22:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz | I was ranked #1 in the world at MATLAB Central | Sep 13 22:45 |
| Quadrescence | What does that mean | Sep 13 22:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | he wrote a lot of MATLAB :) | Sep 13 22:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/ | Sep 13 22:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: MATLAB Central - Home .::. Size~: 34.82 KB | Sep 13 22:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cjr.org/the_audit/goldman_sec_settlement.php | Sep 13 22:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The Goldman Settlement Coverage is Mostly On-Target : CJR .::. Size~: 30.1 KB | Sep 13 22:54 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: all the code I ever wrote is Free software | Sep 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | No strong feelings | Sep 13 22:55 |
| Quadrescence | schestowitz: But matlab is closed!!! | Sep 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | I'm OK with people using proporietary s/w, so long as they don't force me to do so too | Sep 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Same with issues like religion | Sep 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-12/trading-eludes-dodd-frank-as-no-investors-see-inside-black-box.html | Sep 13 22:56 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Trading Eludes Dodd-Frank as Investors See Black Box - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 72.63 KB | Sep 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Quadrescence: yes, my code relied on matlab as platform | Sep 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | On Fedora | Sep 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But my code was open | Sep 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Would run on octave | Sep 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Except some GUI stuff | Sep 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | My colleagues used MATLAB | Sep 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | So I needed to, too | Sep 13 22:57 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: "no strong feelings"??? | Sep 13 23:03 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: what on earth do you mean. you run one of the strongest open source advocacy outfits :) | Sep 13 23:03 |
| Quadrescence | haha | Sep 13 23:08 |
| Quadrescence | well I am a true believer in capitalism and closed source software for economic reasons | Sep 13 23:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: we'll still talk to you | Sep 13 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: actually. i can't speak for schestowitz . he can clarify his feelings. | Sep 13 23:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: *i'll* still speak to you. but in a tone fairly dripping with disdain | Sep 13 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | ;-) | Sep 13 23:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: but you have concerns that Mathematica's un-free-ness may hurt Science, rite? | Sep 13 23:15 |
| Quadrescence | I was lying earlier | Sep 13 23:15 |
| Quadrescence | I am against it. | Sep 13 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: plus, there's not much confidence that we'll even be able to RUN it | Sep 13 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: they don't know how to run SMP. | Sep 13 23:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | Quadrescence: did anybody other than Wolfram do research on SMP? | Sep 13 23:15 |
| Quadrescence | some d00d named Cole | Sep 13 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | so how does Cole feel about the irreproducibility of his work? | Sep 13 23:16 |
| Quadrescence | No idea. | Sep 13 23:16 |
| Quadrescence | He was just one of the original people. | Sep 13 23:16 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's relegated to publishing here, now. http://www.jir.com/ | Sep 13 23:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The Journal of Irreproducible Results .::. Size~: 20.42 KB | Sep 13 23:16 |
| schestowitz | [23:03] <FurnaceBoy> schestowitz: what on earth do you mean. you run one of the strongest open source advocacy outfits :) | Sep 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | naaa | Sep 13 23:23 |
| schestowitz | heh. JIR | Sep 13 23:25 |
| *schestowitz puts plate aside | Sep 13 23:26 | |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: we're not so hardcore on these issues | Sep 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | The FSF ain't so radical either | Sep 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | It's the way adversaries portray (radicalise) it | Sep 13 23:26 |
| schestowitz | BTW, I very rarely eat any babies. None so far... | Sep 13 23:27 |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/does-good-software-really-make-us-stupid?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ostatic+%28OStatic%29 | Sep 13 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Does Good Software Really Make Us Stupid? .::. Size~: 37.81 KB | Sep 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | "Having the world's information indexed and at our fingertips doesn't make us stupid. As was true when I learned to do a Future Value equation by hand, understanding the underlying mechanics of thought processes is beneficial, but technology can take tasks that humans perform and automate and extend them in infinite ways." | Sep 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | Carr has become shock/horror troll, methinks | Sep 13 23:35 |
| schestowitz | v | Sep 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/sep/10/usforeignpolicy-obama-administration | Sep 13 23:37 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Prisoner of Bush's 'war on terror' | Michael Boyle | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 205.81 KB | Sep 13 23:37 |
| schestowitz | RMS's response to book/paper burning http://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-jul-oct.html#12%20September%202010%20%28Thoughts%20on%20protests%20against%20Quran%20burning%29 | Sep 13 23:39 |
| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2010/sep/10/pope-benedict-xvi-catholicism http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/11/bad-science-pope-anti-condom | Sep 13 23:42 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The pope's priestly model: a rabid, self-harming tyrant | John Cornwell | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 197.54 KB | Sep 13 23:42 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Pope's anti-condom message is sabotage in fight against Aids | Ben Goldacre | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 199.6 KB | Sep 13 23:42 |
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