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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I know you're not radical :)Sep 14 00:01
schestowitzMadman: http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DIMgyi57s-A4&session_token=o-DKz56fEjYK3TtcmS778mQRANd8MTI4NDUwNTM3Mw%3D%3DSep 14 00:09
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 303 See Other .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 14 00:09
schestowitzNEcons slammed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgN9wFNOV_gSep 14 00:12
TechrightsBot-scTitle:     YouTube        - What Would Neocon Jesus Do?   .::. Size~: 116.09 KBSep 14 00:12
schestowitz"Novell, the company which made Banshee and Evolution, should better develop code. That's what they do best." http://twitter.com/FFII/status/24415651543Sep 14 00:27
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / FFII e.V.: @schestowitz Novell, the c ... .::. Size~: 12.3 KBSep 14 00:27
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: i'm fiddling around with a db of medical citations. (82) Adipogenesis is inhibited by brief, daily exposure to high frequency low-magnitude mechanical signalsSep 14 00:42
schestowitzwhat's the URL?Sep 14 00:43
schestowitzI'm afraid if the netSep 14 00:43
schestowitz[for papers]Sep 14 00:44
schestowitzToo much quack 'papers' (ads dressed up)Sep 14 00:44
schestowitzBut even big journals from publishers like Elsevier turn out to be corrupted.Sep 14 00:45
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=Elsevier+corrupt&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Sep 14 00:45
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Elsevier corrupt - Google Search .::. Size~: 47.32 KBSep 14 00:45
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=Elsevier+corruptSep 14 00:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Elsevier corrupt - Google Search .::. Size~: 45.77 KBSep 14 00:46
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090503/1255574725.shtmlSep 14 00:46
schestowitzhttp://ouroboros.wordpress.com/2009/05/07/the-plot-thickens-more-fake-journals-in-the-elseviermerck-story/Sep 14 00:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Merck And Elsevier Exposed For Creating Fake Peer Review Journal | Techdirt .::. Size~: 378.11 KBSep 14 00:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle: The plot thickens: More fake journals in the Elsevier/Merck story « Ouroboros .::. Size~: 16.23 KBSep 14 00:46
schestowitzhttp://laikaspoetnik.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/mercks-ghostwriters-haunted-papers-and-fake-elsevier-journals/ http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2009-05/merck-and-elsevier-create-peer-reviewed-advertorialSep 14 00:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Mercks Ghostwriters, Haunted Papers and Fake Elsevier Journals «  Laika's MedLibLog .::. Size~: 113.43 KBSep 14 00:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Merck and Elsevier Create "Peer-Reviewed" Advertorial  | Popular Science .::. Size~: 72.27 KBSep 14 00:47
schestowitzhttp://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009/05/07/elsevier-published-fake-journals/ http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2009/05/11/merck_elsevier_and_fakery.phpSep 14 00:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Elsevier Published Fake Journals « The Scholarly Kitchen .::. Size~: 38.02 KBSep 14 00:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Merck, Elsevier, and Fakery. In the Pipeline:  .::. Size~: 62.44 KBSep 14 00:47
FurnaceBoyoh, yeah i remember that.Sep 14 00:47
FurnaceBoya lot of big stories disappear with no trace. :(Sep 14 00:47
schestowitzYeahSep 14 00:48
schestowitzI didn't find it easilySep 14 00:49
schestowitzThey should be disgraced and punished by academic exclusionSep 14 00:49
FurnaceBoyyesSep 14 00:49
schestowitzSome marketing puppet has just spammed meSep 14 00:50
schestowitzDate: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 18:48:32 -0500Sep 14 00:50
schestowitzTo: roy@schestowitz.comSep 14 00:50
schestowitzFrom: Mike Kilroy <mkilroy@maples.com>Sep 14 00:50
schestowitzSubject: (ISC)2 opens security professional networking site to industrySep 14 00:50
schestowitzRoy --Sep 14 00:50
schestowitzFYI, (ISC)2 ("isc-squared"), the world's largest body of information security professionals, has opened its security professional networking site to anyone with interest or experience in information and application security, including media.Sep 14 00:50
schestowitzThe site currently features over 8,500 professionals, 90-plus groups based on professional interest or region, and nearly 50 individual bloggers.Sep 14 00:50
schestowitzTo access the site, please visit: isc2intersec.leveragesoftware.com/page.aspx  More information is below.Sep 14 00:50
schestowitzMike Kilroy, Maples CommunicationsSep 14 00:50
schestowitzThey try to 'plant' storiesSep 14 00:50
schestowitzIt's their roleSep 14 00:50
schestowitzSometimes they offer awards/lunchSep 14 00:51
FurnaceBoySEO!Sep 14 00:51
schestowitzUnderground ugly industrySep 14 00:51
schestowitzof media pushersSep 14 00:51
schestowitzUsually I expose and shame themSep 14 00:51
schestowitzIf they attempt a soft bribeSep 14 00:52
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: see? it's a nasty world out there!Sep 14 00:53
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he's just a baby!Sep 14 00:53
schestowitzwho is?Sep 14 00:56
*schestowitz lost track, went to kitchenSep 14 00:56
FurnaceBoyQuad. he's a baby like a baby dragon. Kid's a math prodigySep 14 01:03
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: he's teaching me algebraSep 14 01:03
FurnaceBoywhich means he deserves danger moneySep 14 01:07
schestowitzmath terrorisationSep 14 01:27
schestowitzMath is dangerousSep 14 01:28
schestowitzOne letter away from methSep 14 01:28
FurnaceBoyhahaaaSep 14 01:34
FurnaceBoyhe knows it!Sep 14 01:34
FurnaceBoyhe's addictedSep 14 01:34
schestowitzWell, I regret bringing that up thenSep 14 01:50
FurnaceBoyno, no, to MATH!Sep 14 01:57
FurnaceBoyhe's a MATHOHOLICSep 14 01:57
schestowitzMath labSep 14 02:08
schestowitzin his CAR!!Sep 14 02:08
FurnaceBoyLOL!!!!Sep 14 02:20
FurnaceBoyyou're on a rollSep 14 02:20
FurnaceBoyspeaking of whichSep 14 02:20
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: this is Quadrescence 's blog http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=8Sep 14 02:21
TechrightsBot-scTitle: My Lisp Adventure | Symbo1ics Blog .::. Size~: 12.29 KBSep 14 02:21
schestowitzNiceSep 14 02:23
schestowitzBTW:Sep 14 02:23
schestowitzspin watch going on:Sep 14 02:23
schestowitz[01:54] <yano_t> MSFT aftroturfing on redditSep 14 02:23
schestowitz[01:54] <schestowitz> link/Sep 14 02:23
schestowitz[01:54] <schestowitz> ?Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[01:55] <yano_t> any negative comment here gets down voted to oblivionSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[01:55] <yano_t> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ddcp0/to_stop_russian_government_from_cracking_down_on/Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:05] <schestowitz> I kow there is spinSep 14 02:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: To stop Russian government from cracking down on opposition groups, Microsoft declares that any dissident or advocacy group in Russia has a blanket license to use its software, no application needed : technology .::. Size~: 239.02 KBSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:06] <schestowitz> And I know Digg's Micosoft trolls moved to RedditSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:06] <schestowitz> I know cause I recognise their usernamesSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:06] <schestowitz> Same bullying thugs who tried to ruin DiggSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:06] <schestowitz> And scare away Linux people from thereSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:07] <yano_t> well it was bound to happen.Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:08] <schestowitz> One editor I knew from /. said they did the same thing there, with PR agenciesSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:08] <schestowitz> They prey on forums one by oneSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:08] <schestowitz> Attacking leadersSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:08] <schestowitz> And topicsSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:08] <schestowitz> Like the US military handles dissent on the WebSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:09] <yano_t> reddit's community is very much pro FOSS, the only damage they can do there is attack google on privacy and such.Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:10] <schestowitz> "Thank you, Microsoft."Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:10] <schestowitz> OddSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:10] <schestowitz> Stupid PR agents at thatSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:14] <yano_t> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ddcp0/to_stop_russian_government_from_cracking_down_on/c0zdfh3Sep 14 02:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Spurk comments on To stop Russian government from cracking down on opposition groups, Microsoft declares that any dissident or advocacy group in Russia has a blanket license to use its software, no application needed .::. Size~: 48.62 KBSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:14] <yano_t> this comment was voted down so much it doesn't even registerSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:14] <yano_t> this one too:Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:14] <yano_t> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ddcp0/to_stop_russian_government_from_cracking_down_on/c0zdh9xSep 14 02:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: juanjodic comments on To stop Russian government from cracking down on opposition groups, Microsoft declares that any dissident or advocacy group in Russia has a blanket license to use its software, no application needed .::. Size~: 44.91 KBSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:14] <yano_t> both anti-msftSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:16] <schestowitz> Not "anti-Microsoft="Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:17] <schestowitz> pro-rightsSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:17] <yano_t> same thing? :)Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:18] <schestowitz> HeheSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:18] <schestowitz> SpiSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:18] <schestowitz> I see nowSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:18] <schestowitz> Microsoft fights the "bad guys"Sep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:18] <schestowitz> Dissidents=terrorists/rich peopleSep 14 02:24
schestowitzSep 14 02:24
schestowitz[02:20] <yano_t> that's the narrative they're sellingSep 14 02:24
schestowitzIt's rather striking, ain't it?Sep 14 02:25
schestowitzSame issue we talked about before, wherein any challenge to authority is seen as "malicious" and "poisonous"Sep 14 02:26
FurnaceBoyyes.Sep 14 02:28
FurnaceBoyit challenges the consensus -- so it's infinitely threatening.Sep 14 02:28
FurnaceBoycan NEVER be debated on merit.Sep 14 02:28
FurnaceBoyhas to be discounted as 'unlawful rhetoric'Sep 14 02:29
FurnaceBoysame tactic US uses to write off resistance as 'unlawful combat'Sep 14 02:29
FurnaceBoyso the first ploy is to simply disallow non-consensus opinionSep 14 02:29
FurnaceBoythen, if something creeps through, you throw the PR machine to misdirectSep 14 02:29
FurnaceBoyat all times, discrediting the source (-> Assange)Sep 14 02:30
FurnaceBoymarginalise and stigmatise themSep 14 02:30
FurnaceBoyanti-Semite. rapist. child molester.Sep 14 02:30
schestowitzyesSep 14 02:30
schestowitz"Only rapists support 'them'"Sep 14 02:30
FurnaceBoycommunist. hippie. dreamer. unrealistic. activist.Sep 14 02:31
schestowitz"Only child molesters oppose US foreign policy"Sep 14 02:31
FurnaceBoyif all else fails, claim that you're dirty and you smell. (RMS)Sep 14 02:31
FurnaceBoyand we're right back to the Hobbesian schoolyardSep 14 02:31
schestowitz"War protesters are led by a criminal"Sep 14 02:31
FurnaceBoyyes.Sep 14 02:31
FurnaceBoylook he's a rapist, you can safely ignore everything he says, MyrtleSep 14 02:31
schestowitzRMS is an easay victimSep 14 02:31
FurnaceBoyinstead we will listen to that nice clean cut young man, PetraeusSep 14 02:31
schestowitzAnd yes, they show small segments of footage of himSep 14 02:32
FurnaceBoyWho would you want your daughter to marry? Assange or Petraeus?Sep 14 02:32
schestowitzI don't have footage of me on the NetSep 14 02:32
schestowitzCould these girls have been a setup?Sep 14 02:32
schestowitzI'm not sure.Sep 14 02:32
schestowitzNow they have another lineSep 14 02:33
schestowitzWith the lawyers involvedSep 14 02:33
schestowitz1. wikileaks wants julian outSep 14 02:33
schestowitzi.e. he's outcastSep 14 02:33
schestowitzor "even the community of his rejects him"Sep 14 02:33
schestowitz2. he is paranoidSep 14 02:33
schestowitzHow?Sep 14 02:33
schestowitzThey say he accused the CIA of smearsSep 14 02:33
schestowitzThey put that type of label on PJSep 14 02:34
schestowitzRMS is shown as rejected by the communitySep 14 02:34
schestowitzWhere community means ACCESS and other cronies of MicosoftSep 14 02:34
schestowitzAnd kids whom they charm with nonsenseSep 14 02:34
schestowitz"RMS is a hippie, don't listen to him, follow de Icaza..."Sep 14 02:34
schestowitzReality distortionSep 14 02:35
schestowitzFSF doesn't have budget to play these gamesSep 14 02:35
schestowitzPaying Ken Brown for libellous bookSep 14 02:35
schestowitzhelp- fastSep 14 02:35
schestowitzhelp me find out somethingSep 14 02:35
schestowitzprior art to "start menu"Sep 14 02:35
FurnaceBoyAssange is no more paranoid now than he was 5 years ago.Sep 14 02:36
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q="Start+Menus"+prior+artSep 14 02:36
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Google .::. Size~: 21.53 KBSep 14 02:36
FurnaceBoyhe always knew who he was up against.Sep 14 02:37
schestowitzEMpty handdedSep 14 02:37
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: he has a reason toSep 14 02:37
schestowitzTHEY ARE out to get himSep 14 02:37
FurnaceBoyincreasingly.Sep 14 02:37
FurnaceBoyyes.Sep 14 02:37
schestowitzThat's not a speculationSep 14 02:37
FurnaceBoythey are.Sep 14 02:37
schestowitzit's knowSep 14 02:37
schestowitzAnd confirmedSep 14 02:37
schestowitzThey talk about it openlySep 14 02:37
FurnaceBoyyes.Sep 14 02:37
schestowitz /know/knownSep 14 02:37
FurnaceBoythey can afford to, because so far, the consensus is still owned by them.Sep 14 02:37
schestowitzToday I saw some of the anti-RMS trolls getting slammed by FFIISep 14 02:38
schestowitzI'm liking the new FFII lkeadershipSep 14 02:38
schestowitzCOmical and true spiritedSep 14 02:38
schestowitz"... you mean that rapist who killed Afghans by giving their names and addresses?"Sep 14 02:39
schestowitz^^^ VERY successful spinSep 14 02:39
schestowitzSpread through the mediaSep 14 02:39
schestowitzAnd people I speak to fell for itSep 14 02:39
schestowitz"Blood in their hands"Sep 14 02:39
schestowitzWhose?Sep 14 02:39
schestowitz:-)Sep 14 02:39
schestowitzThose darn "dissidents"Sep 14 02:39
FurnaceBoyyep. then there's that nutjob article, "cia should shoot him"Sep 14 02:40
schestowitzWorking for "oligarchs"Sep 14 02:40
schestowitz[picture JP Morgan]Sep 14 02:40
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Start_MenuSep 14 02:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Start menu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 77.83 KBSep 14 02:41
schestowitzNo historySep 14 02:41
schestowitzMakes it sounds like Microsoft marketing thereSep 14 02:41
FurnaceBoy:|Sep 14 02:41
schestowitzSee the referencesSep 14 02:41
schestowitzJust marketing junkSep 14 02:41
schestowitzShame on Wikipedia for letting such pages be polices by the PR brigadeSep 14 02:41
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_%28operating_system%29Sep 14 02:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Solaris (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 152.39 KBSep 14 02:46
schestowitzHelp me find prior artSep 14 02:46
schestowitzwhat WIndows ripped off for 'start menu'Sep 14 02:46
FurnaceBoyhm.Sep 14 02:49
FurnaceBoyuse the GUIdebook site.Sep 14 02:49
FurnaceBoynot NEXTSTEP -- that uses a permanent, tiled dockSep 14 02:49
FurnaceBoynot MacOS ClassicSep 14 02:50
FurnaceBoythat used icon aliases on the desktopSep 14 02:50
FurnaceBoyi dunno, maybe os/2? beos? amiga? gem? i'm not familiar with theseSep 14 02:50
FurnaceBoyOpenWindows? DECWindows?Sep 14 02:50
FurnaceBoySunview?Sep 14 02:50
FurnaceBoyMotif/CDE?Sep 14 02:50
schestowitzthanksSep 14 02:55
FurnaceBoythere were many others. the Amiga one is called WorkbenchSep 14 02:58
schestowitzMicrosoft lobbying response:Sep 14 02:58
schestowitzhttp://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2010/09/13/anti-piracy-enforcement-and-ngos.aspxSep 14 02:58
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Anti-Piracy Enforcement and NGOs - The Official Microsoft Blog – News and Perspectives from Microsoft - Site Home - TechNet Blogs .::. Size~: 99.23 KBSep 14 02:58
schestowitzSame on those criminalsSep 14 02:58
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schestowitz"we're the good guys"Sep 14 02:58
schestowitzSee how nwervous they gotSep 14 02:58
schestowitzThey had to issue spinSep 14 02:58
schestowitzIn a spin blogSep 14 02:58
FurnaceBoyyesSep 14 02:59
FurnaceBoyit seems liek a forced moveSep 14 02:59
FurnaceBoywell, back to evil for the other 364 days of the yearSep 14 02:59
FurnaceBoyit's a pity when a forced move gives them good publicity instead of the bad they richly deserveSep 14 02:59
FurnaceBoythis kind of punitive BSA enforcement crap is not limited to RussiaSep 14 03:00
FurnaceBoyit's worldwide.Sep 14 03:00
schestowitzBSA *LOL*Sep 14 03:04
schestowitzFront groupSep 14 03:04
schestowitzlike RIAASep 14 03:04
schestowitzBlame "*THESE* people"Sep 14 03:04
Quadrescence[19:02.37] <FurnaceBoy> Quad. he's a baby like a baby dragon. Kid's a math prodigySep 14 03:08
QuadrescencenooooooooSep 14 03:08
QuadrescenceI am older than you FurnaceBoy'Sep 14 03:08
FurnaceBoyhaSep 14 03:11
schestowitzmath yodaSep 14 03:33
QuadrescenceFurnaceBoy is a math yodaSep 14 03:35
FurnaceBoyeh? i'm more like Luke Skywalker to your Yoda, QuadrescenceSep 14 03:35
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: at least i've arrived on Dagobah at last.Sep 14 03:35
schestowitzwhose darth?Sep 14 03:35
schestowitzwho'sSep 14 03:35
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: Donald Knuth, I guess.Sep 14 03:35
schestowitz:-)Sep 14 03:36
schestowitzhe's my homeboySep 14 03:36
FurnaceBoyha, i love that graphic.Sep 14 03:36
schestowitzhttp://geekz.co.uk/shop/store/show/knuth-tshirtSep 14 03:36
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Knuth is my homeboy t-shirt - Geekz Shop .::. Size~: 4.01 KBSep 14 03:36
QuadrescenceFurnaceBoy: I don't really know anything about star warsSep 14 03:36
Quadrescenceso I don't know what skywalker's or yoda's role isSep 14 03:36
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: or maybe Knuth is the EmperorSep 14 03:36
schestowitzI lost respect for him recently, when I found out he was devoutSep 14 03:37
Quadrescencedevout [christian]?Sep 14 03:37
schestowitzBallmer is CHubakaSep 14 03:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: well I've always known that, but i figure his style is the relatively harmless kind.Sep 14 03:38
schestowitzyeahSep 14 03:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: if you can do as much GOOD as he hasSep 14 03:38
schestowitzhe plays pipe orgaSep 14 03:38
schestowitzinstalled in his house (organ)Sep 14 03:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: then maybe he's a good advertisement for HIS brand of faithSep 14 03:38
Quadrescence[21:37.14] <schestowitz> Ballmer is CHubaka <-- hahahahahaSep 14 03:38
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: as in, it's clearly empowered him, made him a positive contributorSep 14 03:39
schestowitzMind you...Sep 14 03:39
schestowitzI said lost respectSep 14 03:39
schestowitzNot dislikedSep 14 03:39
schestowitzAs a mathematicianSep 14 03:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: I dunno, Chewbacca had balls. Ballmer's more like an Ewok.Sep 14 03:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: useless for anything, just an irritationSep 14 03:39
Quadrescencethis is my favorite video on youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbESep 14 03:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle:     YouTube        - Developers   .::. Size~: 103.92 KBSep 14 03:40
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: you lieSep 14 03:42
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: frankly i'd rather watch your cat.Sep 14 03:42
Quadrescenceare you saying those are boringSep 14 03:42
FurnaceBoyno.Sep 14 03:42
Quadrescencedevelopers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developers developersSep 14 03:42
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence | FurnaceBoy: I don't really know anything about star wars <---- Dagobah is Yoda's home planet. Where Luke goes to study SICP in the swamp. Like a meditation retreat.Sep 14 03:43
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: if in doubt, watch Weird Al's YODASep 14 03:43
schestowitzhehe.Sep 14 03:44
schestowitzRetreatSep 14 03:44
schestowitzLuke got a day offSep 14 03:44
FurnaceBoyit is a common trope.Sep 14 03:44
schestowitzhe played solitaire in desktop 3Sep 14 03:44
FurnaceBoyKarate Kid too.Sep 14 03:44
schestowitzYo! Duh!!Sep 14 03:45
QuadrescenceFurnaceBoy: i listened to the songSep 14 03:47
Quadrescenceis yoda a wise beingSep 14 03:47
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: indeed. a guru.Sep 14 03:50
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: another fun version is Weird Al, "The Saga Begins"Sep 14 03:51
FurnaceBoys/fun/frackin brilliant/Sep 14 03:54
FurnaceBoyit's nice how weird al is always EVEN more sublime in the watching than the anticipationSep 14 03:54
FurnaceBoytalk about a guruSep 14 03:54
FurnaceBoy"stick it in your pointy ear / i still will teach this boy"Sep 14 03:55
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: Soon I'm gonna be a Scheme Jedi!Sep 14 03:55
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MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ddcki/i_did_not_know_this/Sep 14 07:13
TechrightsBot-scTitle: I did not know this. : politics .::. Size~: 461.91 KBSep 14 07:13
QuadrescencehelloSep 14 09:03
schestowitzHeySep 14 09:25
Quadrescenceschestowitz: Do you like mathematics? What did you write in matlab?Sep 14 09:28
schestowitzExperiments in image registrationSep 14 09:47
schestowitzhttp://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129709336Sep 14 11:52
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Religious Search Engines Yield Tailored Results : NPR .::. Size~: 57.02 KBSep 14 11:52
schestowitz"Some Jews, Muslims and Christians are abandoning Yahoo and Google and turning to search engines with results that meet their religious standards."Sep 14 11:52
schestowitzSo they go lalalalala and want just junk disinfo in the resultsSep 14 11:52
schestowitzWay to insulate!Sep 14 11:52
schestowitz:-)Sep 14 11:52
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/50002604#notice-50423358 "@schestowitz I commented on the FolderView issue; seems like an icon doesn't get shown (just beneath the "+" on a folder's icon). if you..."Sep 14 13:52
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/50002604#notice-50423506 "@schestowitz ...click there, you get folder contents preview. there should be an icon, and a way to revert to "on-hover", though."Sep 14 13:53
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schestowitz[14:21] <yano_t> Apparently Google is responsible for killing off the job market and ruining the world:Sep 14 14:41
schestowitz[14:21] <yano_t> http://www.techeye.net/internet/google-needs-to-be-sued-for-playing-monopolySep 14 14:41
schestowitz[14:24] <yano_t> killiong the economy:Sep 14 14:41
schestowitz[14:24] <yano_t> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/205352/is_google_killing_the_economy.htmlSep 14 14:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Google needs to be sued for playing monopoly - Consultant warns   | TechEye .::. Size~: 22.04 KBSep 14 14:41
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Is Google Killing the Economy? - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 61.34 KBSep 14 14:41
schestowitz[14:24] <yano_t> :/Sep 14 14:41
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Quadrescencehi FurnaceBoySep 14 16:17
FurnaceBoyolaSep 14 16:18
FurnaceBoybuenos dias, in factSep 14 16:18
FurnaceBoycomo estas?Sep 14 16:18
FurnaceBoyQuadrescence: I am getting the Rabbit Z80 board today.Sep 14 16:20
QuadrescenceFurnaceBoy: you know a jackrabbit is some kind of dildo right just sayinSep 14 16:20
FurnaceBoyno, i didn;t know thatSep 14 16:20
Quadrescencesorry entirely inappropriateSep 14 16:20
FurnaceBoyi think you should stick to currying your monads, young manSep 14 16:21
schestowitz*LOL* spamfail http://identi.ca/conversation/50003255#notice-50446863Sep 14 16:34
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schestowitz":) wanna to sleep"Sep 14 16:34
schestowitzQuadrescence: heySep 14 17:30
schestowitzSorry I didn't reply properly earlierSep 14 17:30
schestowitzI had woken upSep 14 17:31
schestowitz[09:28] <Quadrescence> schestowitz: Do you like mathematics? What did you write in matlab?Sep 14 17:31
schestowitzNice to see another maths wizard. If you want to see what I did in matlab, go to schestowitz.com. I am a German citizen currently living in the UK and looking to move. I was ranked #1 in the world for my MATLAB contributions at one stage and I have a mathematical background (with a Ph.D.).Sep 14 17:31
Quadrescenceschestowitz: PhD in what?Sep 14 17:32
schestowitzMedical biophysicsSep 14 17:33
QuadrescenceMakes sense why you'd be interested in visualization then :)Sep 14 17:35
schestowitzyesSep 14 17:46
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cosmo83Guys, Any help in this regard would be great. I have joined this organization approx 2 years back. The first thing i was following up was Microsoft Compliance issues. The organization is not an IT savvy one and the IT partners have misled them and made them buy M$ licenses. The bad part is that they made them buy upgrade licenses . these guys are M$ partners . Microsoft is not in a position to entitle these licenses and asking to purchase fresh lSep 14 17:52
cosmo83icenses . We have made the purchasesto reduce the gap. But the gap right now is lying @ 24 OS licenses . I have approx 60 upgrade licenses which have not been entitled. We were told by M$ that they will proceed legally. The management wants to fight it out. But we are looking for opinion from guys like youSep 14 17:52
cosmo83Guys, Any help in this regard would be great. I have joined this organization approx 2 years back. The first thing i was following up was Microsoft Compliance issues. The organization is not an IT savvy one and the IT partners have misled them and made them buy M$ licenses. The bad part is that they made them buy upgrade licenses . these guys are M$ partners . Microsoft is not in a position to entitle these licenses and asking to purchase fresh lSep 14 17:55
cosmo83icenses . We have made the purchasesto reduce the gap. But the gap right now is lying @ 24 OS licenses . I have approx 60 upgrade licenses which have not been entitled. We were told by M$ that they will proceed legally. The management wants to fight it out. But we are looking for opinion from guys like youSep 14 17:55
FurnaceBoyswitch to Linux or *BSD.Sep 14 17:56
cosmo83FurnaceBoy, the ultimate idea is thatSep 14 17:56
FurnaceBoyfast track itSep 14 17:56
cosmo83but how should i be proceeding now ?Sep 14 17:56
FurnaceBoysave money and hassleSep 14 17:56
cosmo83FurnaceBoy, the apps cannot be ported overnightSep 14 17:57
FurnaceBoyyou have 2 options, throw MORE money at licenses you don't need, or phase out the problematic products.Sep 14 17:57
FurnaceBoywhy aren't the upgrade licenses valid?Sep 14 17:57
FurnaceBoyhow did they issue you upgrade licenses without proof that you owned the original product?Sep 14 17:58
cosmo83M$ says that these were bought from a partner and they really ont have a tackle on what products we haveSep 14 17:58
FurnaceBoycosmo83: maybe they can be ported overnight. Do they run under WINE? how are they architected?Sep 14 17:58
cosmo83we have tried wine. The developer of the app is not so friendly in disclosing the codeSep 14 17:59
FurnaceBoyLOLSep 14 17:59
FurnaceBoyoh boy, so you're in lock-in^2 hellSep 14 17:59
FurnaceBoythen if they won't do that, ask THEM to port them overnightSep 14 17:59
FurnaceBoyor you'll go elsewhereSep 14 17:59
cosmo83i cannot for now .. Our  customers base is too high to port overnightSep 14 18:00
FurnaceBoyso your contract gave you no rights to any sourceSep 14 18:00
cosmo83thats the bad part..Sep 14 18:00
FurnaceBoywow, talk about screwed twice over.Sep 14 18:00
cosmo83btw i was not there for these negotiationSep 14 18:01
cosmo83not being too IT savvy has its own effectsSep 14 18:01
FurnaceBoyyes.Sep 14 18:01
FurnaceBoywell, you should start a pilot project immediately.Sep 14 18:02
FurnaceBoya linux environment, and start the porting effort.Sep 14 18:02
FurnaceBoyfind a lever against your developerSep 14 18:02
cosmo83coming back to the M$ thingie, iam not sure M$ is going to court for making me buy 26 licenses.. guys have any experience in handling these pplSep 14 18:02
FurnaceBoyultimately if they don't cooperate they should lose you as a customer.Sep 14 18:02
FurnaceBoycosmo83: work out the absolute minimum licenses you needSep 14 18:02
FurnaceBoycosmo83: most likely many desks DON'T need windows at all.Sep 14 18:02
FurnaceBoythen buy the cheapest licenses you can get.Sep 14 18:03
FurnaceBoysince it's all pure wasted moneySep 14 18:03
FurnaceBoythen 1) start a pilot corporate Linux environment 2) start the porting project (define scope, objectives) 3) start levering the developer so that he understands that he cooperates or loses your business entirelySep 14 18:04
FurnaceBoyre 3) he might appreciate being paid to do the port himself.Sep 14 18:04
FurnaceBoyyou could set a bonus for fast completionSep 14 18:04
FurnaceBoybut ultimately you cannot have a business depending on source code you don't have.Sep 14 18:04
FurnaceBoyanyway the quicker you start, the more money and hassle you'll saveSep 14 18:05
FurnaceBoyidentify the boxes that MUST have windows, and license them.Sep 14 18:05
FurnaceBoyas cheaply as possible. then put together a plan to phase out windowsSep 14 18:06
cosmo83FurnaceBoy, M$ has already audited us. They have the proofs of what we have already .Sep 14 18:06
FurnaceBoycosmo83: that doesn't mean you have to buy licenses for every workstationSep 14 18:06
FurnaceBoycosmo83: some roles probably don't need windows at allSep 14 18:06
FurnaceBoycosmo83: just wipe those and put a standard linux environment on themSep 14 18:07
FurnaceBoyYOU get to decide how many licenses you need, not MSSep 14 18:07
cosmo83as i said , when they audited us they have the written documentation on what we haveSep 14 18:07
FurnaceBoyso?Sep 14 18:07
FurnaceBoymakes no difference.Sep 14 18:07
FurnaceBoythey can't force you to buy licenses for machines that don't run windows.Sep 14 18:07
FurnaceBoybesides, EVERY PC comes with a license.Sep 14 18:07
FurnaceBoyunfortunately.Sep 14 18:07
FurnaceBoyso i doubt they have a very strong position.Sep 14 18:08
cosmo83FurnaceBoy,  ??? EVERY PC comes with a license.?????Sep 14 18:08
FurnaceBoytake a deep breath and start fighting for your companySep 14 18:08
cosmo83not here in IndiaSep 14 18:08
FurnaceBoycosmo83: really? thank god for that.Sep 14 18:08
cosmo83you can get it anywhere in grey marketSep 14 18:08
FurnaceBoycosmo83: are you SURE your PCs didn't come with a license?Sep 14 18:09
cosmo83what license ???Sep 14 18:09
FurnaceBoycosmo83: anyway, makes no diff, just wipe the machines that don't ABSOLUTELY require windows.Sep 14 18:09
cosmo83u mean the OS licenseSep 14 18:09
FurnaceBoycosmo83: yes, what license do you mean?Sep 14 18:09
FurnaceBoycosmo83: they can't force you to buy licenses you don't need.Sep 14 18:09
cosmo83no they came with DOSSep 14 18:09
FurnaceBoycosmo83: well even so.Sep 14 18:09
FurnaceBoy^^ just wipe the machines that don't ABSOLUTELY require windows.Sep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoyand don't pay MS for them.Sep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoydevelop a standard linux environment for your company and use that.Sep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoyaudit your needs.Sep 14 18:10
cosmo83what if they put the audit results before the court ??Sep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoyLOLSep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoydudeSep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoyyou're not getting meSep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoyYOU get to decide what licenses you need, NOT THEM.Sep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoyYOU can prove that the machines aren't running windows.Sep 14 18:10
FurnaceBoyask for another audit to prove it, AT THE TIME that you order whatever licenses you absolutely require.Sep 14 18:11
FurnaceBoycosmo83: don't give in to extortionSep 14 18:11
FurnaceBoycosmo83: that would be irresponsible and destructive to your employerSep 14 18:12
cosmo83FurnaceBoy, the company is ready to fight it out .. me too .Sep 14 18:12
FurnaceBoyof course, but ther's no fightSep 14 18:12
FurnaceBoysee?Sep 14 18:12
FurnaceBoy1) identify what licenses you MUST buy. Buy Them. 2) install a linux environment elsewhere. 3) ask them to take another audit to prove compliance.Sep 14 18:12
FurnaceBoyNo fight.Sep 14 18:12
FurnaceBoythey can't force you to buy stuff you don't need.Sep 14 18:13
FurnaceBoyand initiate the longer term porting project today.Sep 14 18:13
FurnaceBoyyou don't have to tell them about that.Sep 14 18:13
FurnaceBoysince they may have more dirty tricks to pullSep 14 18:13
cosmo83FurnaceBoy, Well thanks for the suggestion. I will try sorting it out. We have few machines that run linux. But my major app being unsupported is the issue, Will have to tighten the screw on my vendor nowSep 14 18:14
cosmo83off to sleep !!! thanks FurnaceBoySep 14 18:15
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schestowitzDamn, I missed itSep 14 18:21
FurnaceBoyhope my advice was ok.Sep 14 18:38
FurnaceBoypoor guy is scared, i guessSep 14 18:38
FurnaceBoyIndia is riddled with MicroshitSep 14 18:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: we'll get you via twittter nowSep 14 18:39
FurnaceBoylike Brazil and RussiaSep 14 18:39
schestowitzyeahSep 14 18:39
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: cool, did somebody fix oauth?Sep 14 18:39
schestowitzDUmpwareSep 14 18:39
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: maybe they reversedSep 14 18:39
schestowitzIt's the only option I seeSep 14 18:39
FurnaceBoyoh.Sep 14 18:39
schestowitzCause I use the same codeSep 14 18:39
schestowitzThey suffered a lot from switchingSep 14 18:39
schestowitzgained no seuritySep 14 18:39
schestowitz'@sjvn re: "Microsoft does the right thing for Russian protest groups" > how is dumping "right"? http://ur1.ca/1mhly"Sep 14 19:22
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Microsoft Turns From Assisting Political Suppression to Suppressing GNU/Linux Adoption in Russia | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.65 KBSep 14 19:22
schestowitzWhy are people so foolish?Sep 14 19:22
schestowitzEven FOSS peopleSep 14 19:22
schestowitz[re this one issue]Sep 14 19:22
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: rightSep 14 19:23
MinceRmore like m$ protects itself from PR backlash regarding how the russian government uses a law m$ bought against protest groupsSep 14 19:23
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: url for your article? pref short one, and i'll tweetSep 14 19:24
schestowitzit's up hereSep 14 19:24
MinceRand afaik some mainstream newspaper already published news of that the russian government did thatSep 14 19:24
schestowitzhttp://ur1.ca/1mhlySep 14 19:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Microsoft Turns From Assisting Political Suppression to Suppressing GNU/Linux Adoption in Russia | Techrights .::. Size~: 94.65 KBSep 14 19:24
MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/JNLy4.jpgSep 14 20:58
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schestowitzPlateSpin(C) NovellSep 14 21:41
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/12/columbia-criminal-networksSep 14 22:27
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Colombia criminal networks the main source of the nation's violence | World news | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 68.69 KBSep 14 22:27
schestowitzdrug control gone bonkersSep 14 22:27
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/sep/05/sri-lanka-still-denying-civilian-deathsSep 14 22:32
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Sri Lanka's government is still denying civilian deaths | Peter Bouckaert | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk  .::. Size~: 213.17 KBSep 14 22:32
schestowitz"Better than Microsoft actively helping Putin et. al. in their aims.  " http://twitter.com/sjvn/statuses/24501262874Sep 14 23:00
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / sjvn: @schestowitz Better than M ... .::. Size~: 12.27 KBSep 14 23:00
schestowitzWowSep 14 23:00
schestowitzWonderful MicrosoftSep 14 23:00
schestowitzThey do evilSep 14 23:00
schestowitzThen they do less evilSep 14 23:00
schestowitzWay to go!Sep 14 23:01
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: but only for 1 daySep 14 23:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: and they were forced into itSep 14 23:06
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: if there were 100 million people watching you, WOULD YOU DROP THAT CAT INTO THE ACID TANK?Sep 14 23:06
Quadrescencehttp://nedm.ytmnd.com/Sep 14 23:10
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