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schestowitzhttp://www.scidb.org/Sep 19 00:48
TechrightsBot-scTitle: SciDB .::. Size~: 9.29 KBSep 19 00:48
schestowitzhttp://radar.oreilly.com/2010/09/four-short-links-15-september-1.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+oreilly%2Fradar%2Fatom+%28O%27Reilly+Radar%29 "The office of the New Zealand Privacy Commissioner is releasing its content under the CC-BY license"Sep 19 00:50
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Four short links: 15 September 2010 - O'Reilly Radar .::. Size~: 39.23 KBSep 19 00:50
schestowitzhttp://booktwo.org/notebook/wikipedia-historiography/Sep 19 00:54
TechrightsBot-scTitle:   On Wikipedia, Cultural Patrimony, and Historiography | booktwo.org  .::. Size~: 57.49 KBSep 19 00:54
schestowitz"BBC Jobs -- looking for someone to devise advanced machine intelligence techniques to infer high level classification metadata of audio and video content from low-level features extracted from it. "Sep 19 00:55
schestowitzBanana shoes.. http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/14/just-look-at-this-aw-15.html http://kobilevidesign.blogspot.com/2010/04/banana-2010-leather.htmlSep 19 01:00
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Just look at this awesome banana shoe. - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 50.57 KBSep 19 01:00
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Kobi Levi- Footwear Design: Banana 2010 .::. Size~: 37.94 KBSep 19 01:00
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/gop-leader-apologizes-obama-republicans-harbor-racist-views/Sep 19 01:34
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Former GOP leader apologizes to Obama, says Republicans harbor racist views |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 42.09 KBSep 19 01:34
schestowitzThe Associated Press: "UK police: 5 arrested in alleged threat to pope"Sep 19 01:45
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/secular-israelis-outraged-holy-day-internet-blackout/Sep 19 01:45
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Secular Israelis outraged about holy day Internet blackout |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 32.72 KBSep 19 01:45
schestowitzReligious nutterySep 19 01:45
schestowitzhttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/09/gop-candidate-hitler-church-state/ huh?Sep 19 01:48
TechrightsBot-scTitle: GOP candidate: Hitler invented separation of church and state |  Raw Story .::. Size~: 113.07 KBSep 19 01:49
schestowitzWasn't the US doing this hundreds of years before?Sep 19 01:49
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schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/17/pope_cable/Sep 19 10:55
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Pope makes central London no-go zone for BT engineers • The Register .::. Size~: 23.74 KBSep 19 10:55
schestowitzHehSep 19 10:55
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/world_news_america/8999217.stmSep 19 11:03
TechrightsBot-scTitle: BBC News - Home .::. Size~: 70.82 KBSep 19 11:03
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/17/twitter_joker_loses_second_job/Sep 19 11:06
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter airport bomb joker loses second job • The Register .::. Size~: 24.63 KBSep 19 11:06
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schestowitzoh cool... "Roy, I´m on a financial bind and thinking on launching my own news site. Think of any way we could collaborate? Ideas welc"Sep 19 16:00
schestowitzALso, I'we just gotten good news... will start a new post-doc next month it seems!Sep 19 16:01
schestowitzabeNd-org: there are several sites whose authors I keep in touch with and share information with.Sep 19 16:02
schestowitzLet's so just that maybe! :-)Sep 19 16:03
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/50834964#notice-51258437 "RIP."Sep 19 16:05
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.9 KBSep 19 16:05
schestowitzGates is now sponsoring the last British paper that was goodSep 19 16:05
schestowitzBias is 'free'Sep 19 16:05
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abeNd-org1sure, i notice i get a lot of hits coming from techrights referring to things ive postedSep 19 17:25
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schestowitzI hope IBM buys NovellSep 19 18:01
schestowitzIt can make use of stuff that gives Microsoft alternativesSep 19 18:01
Ender2071hmmSep 19 18:08
Ender2071that would be interesting tooSep 19 18:09
Ender2071i just hope mono gets severed from suseSep 19 18:09
Ender2071why do they need it in a kde distroSep 19 18:09
schestowitzAPISep 19 18:17
schestowitzthe ".NET on every [programmer's] desk" visionSep 19 18:17
schestowitzre emailhttp://identi.ca/conversation/50862218#notice-51286306 "@schestowitz hehe. it is old tech. some people wanna hold on."Sep 19 18:18
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 13.18 KBSep 19 18:18
schestowitzEven Novell groupwise wants to add Wave elements nowSep 19 18:18
schestowitzReal-time commsSep 19 18:18
schestowitzIBM has sametime IMSep 19 18:18
schestowitzFor LotusSep 19 18:18
schestowitzDoes Outlook have anything like that?Sep 19 18:18
schestowitzMSN Messenger is not part of OutlookSep 19 18:18
schestowitzThey tried to link it with Facebook recently, and that does have IMSep 19 18:19
schestowitzhttp://280.status.net/notice/390197 "@seeds @schestowitz It is the way people feel comfortable communicating. I have a 22 y/o who calls me almost every day, even though he knows that isn't the way to communicate with me."Sep 19 18:19
TechrightsBot-scTitle: حالة lnxwalt (lnxwalt280) في يوم Sunday, 19-Sep-10 16:21:31 UTC - 280 .::. Size~: 7.96 KBSep 19 18:19
schestowitz"calls are another thing. Nothing is logged on your side, so you cannot revisit or forward issues that arise on phone"Sep 19 18:20
Ender2071google wave is open sourceSep 19 18:41
schestowitzIt isSep 19 18:47
schestowitzBut it didn't live up to the planSep 19 18:47
schestowitzKiboshSep 19 18:48
schestowitzThey salvaged some partsSep 19 18:48
schestowitzNovell will tooSep 19 18:48
schestowitzAssuming a new owner takes GroupWise seriouslySep 19 18:48
schestowitzGroupWise is under threat from Fog Computing, probably more so than from OutlookSep 19 18:48
schestowitzEven Outlook is suffering a lot from itSep 19 18:49
abeNd-org1too many CxO level folk are too scared to go to anything other than exchange these daysSep 19 18:49
schestowitzHotmail re-overhaled a lotSep 19 18:49
*abeNd-org1 is now known as abeNd-orgSep 19 18:49
schestowitzBut Hotmail+Office is still no Apps+GmailSep 19 18:49
Ender2071suffering is a bad wordSep 19 18:49
Ender2071google apps is a good thingSep 19 18:49
schestowitzabeNd-org: exchange is a brandSep 19 18:49
schestowitzThey think it's like a standard, like GIletteSep 19 18:50
abeNd-orgive seen companies migrate to exchange for no other reason but to say they are now on exchange/outlookSep 19 18:50
Ender2071google gives away exchange server access for peanuts compared to msSep 19 18:50
abeNd-orgspend thousands in software/servers/licensing, just to be able to do what they could do before, send emailSep 19 18:50
schestowitzExchage has virus problemsSep 19 18:50
schestowitzI saw it in my own eyesSep 19 18:50
Ender2071get a google apps accountSep 19 18:50
abeNd-orgnot to really defend it, but yes, outlook did, not so much now a daysSep 19 18:50
schestowitzYou still depend on GoogleSep 19 18:51
schestowitzBusiness processedSep 19 18:51
Ender2071its cheaper than rolling your own software and serversSep 19 18:51
schestowitzEven is POP/IMAP gives you all the dataSep 19 18:51
Ender2071the licensing is even cheaper than ms exchange on its ownSep 19 18:51
schestowitzOpeXchange is betterSep 19 18:51
abeNd-orgpop/imap is a nightmare to manageSep 19 18:51
abeNd-orgcompared to using activesync (be it novell's product, notifylink, or exchange itself)Sep 19 18:52
Ender2071if you want your own in house non google solution theres plenty of alternativesSep 19 18:52
Ender2071but google gives you a sweet dealSep 19 18:52
schestowitzNoSep 19 18:52
schestowitzIt gives you a brandSep 19 18:52
schestowitz"Nobody gets fired for buying IBM..."Sep 19 18:53
Ender2071everything has a brand, even your foodSep 19 18:53
schestowitzNobody gets fired for buying Google...Sep 19 18:53
Ender2071you cant get away with getting EVERYTHING for freeSep 19 18:53
Ender2071you gotta pay for that hardwareSep 19 18:53
Ender2071probably more money to maintain itSep 19 18:53
abeNd-orgthere are still plenty of folks scared to go "to the cloud", be it google apps or ms-bposSep 19 18:53
schestowitzRight. They are right.Sep 19 18:53
schestowitz"Cloud" means someone else's warehouseSep 19 18:54
schestowitzIt's like putting your bike at a stranger's place. Who wouldn't be more worried than not?Sep 19 18:54
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ned=en_il&cf=all&ncl=dIKVsYCLkzu2gTMNa0DjIaYX9zv5MSep 19 18:55
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Google Fires Snooping Employee - Google News .::. Size~: 60.77 KBSep 19 18:55
schestowitz Google Fires Snooping EmployeeSep 19 18:55
schestowitzGoogle fires engineer for snooping on usersSep 19 18:55
schestowitzGoogle engineer fired for snooping on emailsSep 19 18:55
schestowitzEx-Googler Allegedly Spied on User E-Mails, ChatsSep 19 18:55
schestowitz[...]Sep 19 18:55
schestowitz"All 86 related articles »"Sep 19 18:55
schestowitzGoogle can also spy on rivalsSep 19 18:55
schestowitzFacebook doesSep 19 18:55
schestowitzhttp://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucksSep 19 18:56
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Facebook CEO Admits To Calling Users 'Dumb Fucks' .::. Size~: 82.34 KBSep 19 18:56
abeNd-orgauditing would be a nightmare in cloud computingSep 19 18:56
schestowitz"Mark Zuckerberg admits in a New Yorker  profile that he mocked early Facebook users for trusting him with their personal information. A youthful indiscretion, the Facebook founder says he's much more mature now, at the ripe age of 26."Sep 19 18:56
schestowitz""They trust me — dumb fucks," says Zuckerberg in one of the instant messages, first published by former Valleywag Nicholas Carlson at Silicon Alley Insider, and now confirmed by Zuckerberg himself in Jose Antonio Vargas's New Yorker piece. Zuckerberg now tells Vargas, "I think I've grown and learned a lot" since those instant messages."Sep 19 18:56
abeNd-orgheh, its true, people sceeeeeeaaaaaaaaaam at the us govt for being far too intrusive in their livesSep 19 18:56
abeNd-orggive them a facebook or twitter account and the morons will say anythingSep 19 18:57
abeNd-org"im away from my house on vacation for a week, please rob me"Sep 19 18:57
schestowitzOr geolocationSep 19 18:58
schestowitzPeople broadcast it nowSep 19 18:58
abeNd-orgback to auditing, you have power hungry admins in house as well, the folks who think it is funny to wear the "i read your email"Sep 19 18:58
schestowitzSomeone from the other channel does.... automatically from his android phoneSep 19 18:58
abeNd-orgoh yea, specific gps coordinates when you tweetSep 19 18:58
schestowitzthere's the "rape me" sign analogy... now the "rob me" and "spy on me" thingieSep 19 18:59
abeNd-orgso if someone is so paranoid about being tracked, yet with facebook/twitter will tell you about everything, even the depressing day they had & the type of potpie they at that eveningSep 19 18:59
abeNd-orgbut those are the same types that scream about whatever govt being too intrusive in their lives & tracking themSep 19 19:00
schestowitzthe danger is sometimes that govt will pass on info to peopleSep 19 19:13
schestowitzAssuming that it has better access than people to infoSep 19 19:13
schestowitzThose issues are being reversesSep 19 19:13
schestowitz*sedSep 19 19:13
schestowitzPeople know most, companies a lot (Google for example), and governments rely on Google and private telecom for infoSep 19 19:14
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/50869857#notice-51293527Sep 19 19:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.83 KBSep 19 19:24
schestowitzI've used wiki for communication since 2004/5Sep 19 19:24
schestowitzSylvania gave up http://techpinger.com/2010/09/cvs-sells-microsoft-windows-ce-based-sylvania-netbook-and-an-ebook-reader-lookbook/Sep 19 19:39
TechrightsBot-scTitle: CVS Sells Microsoft Windows CE Based Sylvania Netbook and an eBook Reader (LookBook) | Tech Pinger .::. Size~: 58.78 KBSep 19 19:39
schestowitzDying with WindowsSep 19 19:39
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abeNd-orgwow, that would have been cool in the early 2000sSep 19 20:10
abeNd-orgkinda pointless now with all the android tablets & ebook readers, and hopefully hp does something with webos soonSep 19 20:11
abeNd-orgthe kindle/nook are a great deal better for reading than most of the tablets though, far too much glare, especially that ipadSep 19 20:11
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MinceRhttp://www.sarjis.info/stripit/smbc/2005/20100919.gifSep 19 20:15
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/oS3pb.jpgSep 19 20:19
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MinceRhttp://www.cracked.com/article_15648_5-biggest-badass-popes.htmlSep 19 20:42
TechrightsBot-scTitle: The 5 Biggest Badass Popes | Cracked.com .::. Size~: 98.8 KBSep 19 20:42
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schestowitzHey, FurnaceBoy, gnufreexSep 19 21:43
gnufreexHere I am?Sep 19 21:44
FurnaceBoyolaSep 19 21:44
schestowitzMinceR: badass!Sep 19 21:44
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: you missed some important news here last nightSep 19 21:45
schestowitzI pasted linksSep 19 21:45
schestowitzPolitcal tooSep 19 21:45
schestowitzNot just the Vole.Sep 19 21:45
schestowitzhttp://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/Microsoft-Defies-Russian-Governments-Efforts-to-Stifle-Opposition-70818.htmlSep 19 21:45
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Welcome to E-Commerce Times .::. Size~: 2.96 KBSep 19 21:45
gnufreexHaha, Putin will nuke Microsoft becaus of this!Sep 19 21:46
gnufreexNow some open source lobbist should point this to Putin: Microsoft is working against Russia.Sep 19 21:47
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/24954641779 "but it also gives useful propaganda material to the latter..."Sep 19 21:48
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / Glyn Moody: @schestowitz but it also g ... .::. Size~: 12.31 KBSep 19 21:48
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you saw /. story on assaneg?Sep 19 22:00
FurnaceBoyassange*Sep 19 22:00
schestowitzwhich one?Sep 19 22:19
schestowitzHe's free nowSep 19 22:19
schestowitzFree to "go"Sep 19 22:19
schestowitzBut the smear staysSep 19 22:19
schestowitzConnotation with outlawSep 19 22:19
FurnaceBoyyaSep 19 22:24
FurnaceBoyoutlaw rapistSep 19 22:24
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: you did get this story, right? http://gawker.com/5637234/gcreep-google-engineer-stalked-teens-spied-on-chatsSep 19 22:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle: GCreep: Google Engineer Stalked Teens, Spied on Chats (Updated) .::. Size~: 92.64 KBSep 19 22:46
schestowitzyesSep 19 22:46
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schestowitzDamn. Lots of bad Microsoft news this weekSep 19 23:35
schestowitzI have about 30 posts comingSep 19 23:35
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schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5guglH44JK5B8NmO8RbnHKe7Ly82wD9I8LSO83Sep 19 23:44
TechrightsBot-scTitle: The Associated Press: Paul Allen says test for lymphoma is 'clean' .::. Size~: 7.56 KBSep 19 23:44
schestowitzGood news?Sep 19 23:44
schestowitzhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/software/integration/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=227300339&subSection=NewsSep 19 23:51
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Ellison Threatens To End Oracle-HP Alliance -- InformationWeek .::. Size~: 82.64 KBSep 19 23:51
*FurnaceBoy afksSep 19 23:58

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