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| scientes | <schestowitz> Just keep away from armies and religions | Sep 22 02:21 |
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| scientes | why religions | Sep 22 02:21 |
| oiaohm | Were do you want to start. scientes there are a lot of abused religions used to justify intollerance. | Sep 22 02:31 |
| schestowitz | scientes: cause they are flase | Sep 22 02:31 |
| schestowitz | *false | Sep 22 02:31 |
| schestowitz | Would you give up truth to join a comunity? | Sep 22 02:32 |
| schestowitz | *mm | Sep 22 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Some would | Sep 22 02:32 |
| schestowitz | OR self-delude to mix in | Sep 22 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Really is not just religion | Sep 22 02:32 |
| oiaohm | Any group who see themselves as superior to another group is bad. | Sep 22 02:32 |
| oiaohm | You hear people belittling non believes. Just because they don't have the same ideas. | Sep 22 02:34 |
| oiaohm | Really the import thing about true good and evil is a persons actions not there ideas. | Sep 22 02:35 |
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| schestowitz | Truth too | Sep 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | We need to adopt fact-checking | Sep 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Ethics discussions/debate | Sep 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | Although there is no golden standards. | Sep 22 02:45 |
| schestowitz | e.g. regarding death. We all kill whenever we eat something | Sep 22 02:46 |
| scientes | meh | Sep 22 03:34 |
| scientes | religion is many things | Sep 22 03:34 |
| scientes | look at Mendel for example | Sep 22 03:34 |
| scientes | or great catholic art | Sep 22 03:34 |
| scientes | its is so ehemeral | Sep 22 03:34 |
| scientes | and then compare to sikh community service, or taoism's hermitage | Sep 22 03:35 |
| scientes | or hindu extravagence | Sep 22 03:35 |
| scientes | there are many types of religion | Sep 22 03:35 |
| scientes | whether they call themselves or not | Sep 22 03:35 |
| scientes | religion is just tradition as far as i can see it | Sep 22 03:36 |
| scientes | an extention of class | Sep 22 03:36 |
| scientes | <oiaohm> Any group who see themselves as superior to another group is bad. | Sep 22 03:38 |
| scientes | thats the crux | Sep 22 03:38 |
| scientes | nationalism is a form of religion | Sep 22 03:38 |
| oiaohm | Not really. scientes | Sep 22 03:40 |
| oiaohm | There is a saying. Pride comes before a fall. scientes | Sep 22 03:41 |
| oiaohm | You should be able to work out how that covers the problem. | Sep 22 03:41 |
| scientes | Pride comes before a fall. | Sep 22 03:41 |
| scientes | i am familiar | Sep 22 03:41 |
| scientes | and i did fall | Sep 22 03:41 |
| oiaohm | To much Pride in one self makes you think of others as second rate. | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | neither of my parents have any sensibility | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | so where else was i to put my energy | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | it crushed me | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | i needed romance | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | but the girl that liked me didn't understand that | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | so now i need to reboot | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | or couldn't perform it | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | puella as a result | Sep 22 03:42 |
| scientes | justing on the pride bandwagon instead of nesting it | Sep 22 03:43 |
| scientes | where it belongs | Sep 22 03:43 |
| scientes | narcissistic parents | Sep 22 03:45 |
| scientes | very narcissistic parents | Sep 22 03:46 |
| scientes | broken aparet but talk for the sole purpose of crushing me | Sep 22 03:46 |
| scientes | never admit their feelings to me | Sep 22 03:46 |
| scientes | instead whine to strangers outside the family | Sep 22 03:46 |
| schestowitz | You're an adult now | Sep 22 04:47 |
| schestowitz | If they mistreat, you can find an alternative framework | Sep 22 04:48 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: ha, someone correlated that Italian sociology paper with why-people-still-buy-microsoft http://etbe.coker.com.au/2010/09/17/low-quality-microsoft/ | Sep 22 06:35 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: ahhhhhh I should have mentioned India to sciente | Sep 22 06:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | see: http://www.cvr.cc/sustainable-community/ | Sep 22 06:42 |
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| oiaohm | http://forum.winehq.org/viewtopic.php?p=49945 << Why I hate BSD people at times. | Sep 22 09:54 |
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| MinceR | ah, another bsdtard | Sep 22 09:56 |
| MinceR | one of the reasons i don't want to be involved with *bsd | Sep 22 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Even more stupid thinking that Wine historically was MIT licence. | Sep 22 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Until it changed to LGPL | Sep 22 09:58 |
| oiaohm | And there is the winem branch that was still MIT licence that died a slow death because people were not submitting code. | Sep 22 09:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie MIT don't work for wine. | Sep 22 09:58 |
| MinceR | disgusting >> http://forums.zonealarm.com/showthread.php?t=75332 | Sep 22 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: zbot.zeus Notice - ZoneAlarm User Community .::. Size~: 69.2 KB | Sep 22 10:11 |
| oiaohm | Careless about warnning notices about new spreeding threats. | Sep 22 10:15 |
| oiaohm | leads to panic. | Sep 22 10:15 |
| oiaohm | and profit | Sep 22 10:16 |
| MinceR | typical malware tactic | Sep 22 10:17 |
| MinceR | just like fake AV programs | Sep 22 10:17 |
| oiaohm | Really its the first time I have heard of zonealarm getting this wrong. | Sep 22 10:18 |
| oiaohm | Problem is they are darmmed of they do and dammed of they don't. | Sep 22 10:19 |
| oiaohm | The art is getting the notices about threats out without causing painic. | Sep 22 10:19 |
| MinceR | there are many ways of arranging and formulating that message so it doesn't look like an AV finding | Sep 22 10:21 |
| MinceR | this is not one of them. | Sep 22 10:21 |
| oiaohm | Its does not look like a ZoneAlarm anti-virus message. | Sep 22 10:23 |
| oiaohm | in anyway shape or form. | Sep 22 10:23 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I think the forget to check out there competitor anti-virus messages and make it look different. MinceR | Sep 22 10:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes a simple but PR nightmare class mistake. | Sep 22 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.counterpunch.org/dinh08022010.html | Sep 22 15:23 |
| schestowitz | http://pogson.6k.ca/2010/09/21/sun-keeps-rising/ | Sep 22 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe. Spin in Oracle's way... | Sep 22 15:46 |
| schestowitz | ow a certain lack of understanding of FOSS and GNU/Linux in general. | Sep 22 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I guess by now all of you have heard of Mageia, the Mandriva fork. But these news overshadowed some | Sep 22 16:12 |
| schestowitz | ow a certain lack of understanding of FOSS and GNU/Linux in general. | Sep 22 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I guess by now all of you have heard of Mageia, the Mandriva fork. But these news overshadowed some | Sep 22 16:12 |
| schestowitz | oops. | Sep 22 16:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow oiaohm must be very naive. | Sep 22 16:13 |
| schestowitz | SJVN did the silly pigeon vs cable story "Nope, real test, real results." http://twitter.com/sjvn/status/25218863423 "pigeon analysis is, IMO, intended to just make nice headlines" | Sep 22 16:13 |
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| FurnaceBoy | false dichotomy | Sep 22 16:14 |
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| scientes | perhaps its my deep-seated hatred of cars | Sep 22 16:23 |
| scientes | and not successfully finding something without that in my only ways i knew how to seek | Sep 22 16:23 |
| scientes | cause my mother was such a snob | Sep 22 16:23 |
| scientes | never once yielding to anyone elses way of life unless through jelousy | Sep 22 16:23 |
| scientes | of my older brother's wife for example | Sep 22 16:23 |
| scientes | and refusing to be analyzed of that sort | Sep 22 16:24 |
| scientes | like the neighbors that home-schooled successfully | Sep 22 16:24 |
| scientes | she was immediately the expect in all afairs | Sep 22 16:24 |
| scientes | i had a bad draw of parents | Sep 22 16:24 |
| scientes | and they wouldn't even resort to mistreatment | Sep 22 16:24 |
| scientes | well... | Sep 22 16:24 |
| schestowitz | I don't quite follow | Sep 22 16:24 |
| scientes | they both have this idea that if they are in control, i succeed, which has always been false | Sep 22 16:25 |
| scientes | my mothert is now bragging to everybody about how i might "hit bottom" and then come up | Sep 22 16:25 |
| scientes | but she is so gaurded that is impossible | Sep 22 16:25 |
| scientes | she has never given me an identity _or_ ever given me aspiration | Sep 22 16:25 |
| scientes | only false hope | Sep 22 16:25 |
| scientes | and i have begged for aspiration, shown my wares | Sep 22 16:26 |
| scientes | she just has to be a man or she is in danger | Sep 22 16:26 |
| scientes | even if that developing pride in 7 years old, then she throws cold water on me | Sep 22 16:26 |
| scientes | but when it comes around, she is scared of me | Sep 22 16:26 |
| scientes | she is just a spoiled brat, _and_ immune to males telling her anything about keeping up with the jones | Sep 22 16:27 |
| scientes | after she kicked me out i was sending her all this really emotional email and she never even awknowledges it | Sep 22 16:27 |
| scientes | i went through all the pain my brother went through | Sep 22 16:27 |
| scientes | and my brother buryins it som much he defends her and it has been impossible to get a real brother relationship | Sep 22 16:28 |
| scientes | No woman is an island entire of itself; every person | Sep 22 16:29 |
| scientes | is a piece of the continent, a part of the main; | Sep 22 16:29 |
| scientes | if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe | Sep 22 16:29 |
| scientes | is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as | Sep 22 16:29 |
| scientes | well as any manner of thy friends or of thine | Sep 22 16:29 |
| scientes | own were; any man's death diminishes me, | Sep 22 16:29 |
| scientes | because I am involved in mankind. | Sep 22 16:30 |
| scientes | And therefore never send to know for whom | Sep 22 16:30 |
| scientes | the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. | Sep 22 16:30 |
| FurnaceBoy | scientes: i sent u a memo did you get it? | Sep 22 16:32 |
| scientes | no | Sep 22 16:33 |
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| scientes | i'm not going to india | Sep 22 16:34 |
| scientes | its not the 60s anymore | Sep 22 16:34 |
| scientes | dangerous place IMHO | Sep 22 16:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | lol | Sep 22 16:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | not really | Sep 22 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | where did you hear that? | Sep 22 16:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | in particular Kerala is a progressive state | Sep 22 16:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | you certainly should not write it off on those grounds, it's not a dangerous country | Sep 22 16:41 |
| schestowitz | [16:25] <scientes> my mothert is now bragging to everybody about how i might "hit bottom" and then come up | Sep 22 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Everything is relative, in terms of personal perspective | Sep 22 16:43 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: agreed | Sep 22 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Just corrupt | Sep 22 16:45 |
| schestowitz | Not in the mafia sense | Sep 22 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Sep 22 16:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | but hardly the worst offender there either | Sep 22 16:45 |
| scientes | and my mother has never experienced the range of emotions | Sep 22 16:46 |
| scientes | everything is bottled up in her childhood, and she has recieved the financial support to never wise up | Sep 22 16:46 |
| scientes | and to destroy my brother in the process | Sep 22 16:47 |
| scientes | FurnaceBoy, what about all the politics about food supplies | Sep 22 16:47 |
| scientes | if anywhere is overpopulated, it is india | Sep 22 16:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | scientes: the *world* is overpopulated | Sep 22 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | scientes: remember many of the poor subsist | Sep 22 16:48 |
| FurnaceBoy | scientes: India won't starve until food is corporatised | Sep 22 16:48 |
| scientes | FurnaceBoy, what about water? | Sep 22 16:49 |
| scientes | the dams | Sep 22 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | scientes: that's a problem worldwide | Sep 22 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | including USA | Sep 22 16:50 |
| FurnaceBoy | scientes: if you really want to avoid those tactical issues, then you have to start picking countries on those grounds. e.g. maybe Iceland won't run out of water | Sep 22 16:51 |
| scientes | both parents think if they distance me from the othertht i will suddenly be ok | Sep 22 16:52 |
| scientes | and they even resort to lying to get there | Sep 22 16:52 |
| *FurnaceBoy firmly believes in healthy distance from family esp. parents | Sep 22 16:52 | |
| *FurnaceBoy believes it's part of growing up | Sep 22 16:53 | |
| FurnaceBoy | individuation | Sep 22 16:53 |
| scientes | anyways, maybe a kibbutz | Sep 22 17:17 |
| scientes | a sister might have helped | Sep 22 17:18 |
| scientes | its like my mother is insists on being a man, and raising me as a daughter | Sep 22 17:18 |
| scientes | and my father--the opposite | Sep 22 17:22 |
| scientes | thats why i wanted them to stay together so bad | Sep 22 17:22 |
| scientes | they couldn't because they both thought they could get something out of me perhaps | Sep 22 17:22 |
| schestowitz | SOme families are like that | Sep 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | But it's implicit | Sep 22 19:51 |
| schestowitz | BTW, got back just now... out running for a couple | Sep 22 19:51 |
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| MinceR | http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-1-in-5-americans-believe-obama-is-a-cactus,18127/ | Sep 22 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Poll: 1 In 5 Americans Believe Obama Is A Cactus | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 36.07 KB | Sep 22 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Wait, he's NOT? | Sep 22 20:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | ... | Sep 22 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Not that I have a problem with that | Sep 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | SOme of my friends are Cactuses | Sep 22 20:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | He /happens/ to be a Cactus (Carlin jokes) | Sep 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Some people are just born Cactus | Sep 22 20:18 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't make them any less friendly and they make good seed too | Sep 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | My ex-g/f is a Cactus | Sep 22 20:19 |
| MinceR | TMI | Sep 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | i broke up with her | Sep 22 20:19 |
| MinceR | regarding "they make good seed" | Sep 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | She got a littlew thornt | Sep 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | She got a littlew thorny | Sep 22 20:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | hahahahaha | Sep 22 20:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | every rose has its thorn | Sep 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Tru dat | Sep 22 20:19 |
| schestowitz | But with GMO you can remove the thorn | Sep 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | [And other things we don't quite understand yet] | Sep 22 20:20 |
| schestowitz | But Danny, DUDE... just find the gene that has printed on it "boolean thorn;" | Sep 22 20:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | LOL | Sep 22 20:21 |
| MinceR | not the one that said "bool X3434DE2; // probably thorns, i'm not sure"? | Sep 22 20:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | hubris | Sep 22 20:21 |
| schestowitz | GOd put a thorn on every rose for the Original Sun | Sep 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | *Sin | Sep 22 20:22 |
| MinceR | personally, by hand? | Sep 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | No | Sep 22 20:22 |
| MinceR | and how did the other thorns get there? | Sep 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | He has no hands | Sep 22 20:22 |
| MinceR | oh, poor bloke | Sep 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | He lost his dick in WW2 as well | Sep 22 20:22 |
| schestowitz | Too many people stopped believing in it | Sep 22 20:22 |
| MinceR | so much for those supposed powers | Sep 22 20:22 |
| MinceR | Who is this God person anyway? | Sep 22 20:23 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <MinceR> and how did the other thorns get there? < intelligent design | Sep 22 20:23 |
| MinceR | i'm not asking about the design process but the production process :> | Sep 22 20:23 |
| schestowitz | edward current - cool design : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcrq5OOkQdk | Sep 22 20:23 |
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| MinceR | http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Oolon_Colluphid | Sep 22 20:24 |
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| schestowitz | Hitchens is dying, I think | Sep 22 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Serious cancer | Sep 22 20:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.com/news?hl=&q=hitchens&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8 | Sep 22 20:42 |
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| FurnaceBoy | so they say | Sep 22 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Look what chemotherapy did to him. http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/booksblog/2010/sep/20/christopher-hitchens-prayers | Sep 22 20:43 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Spare Christopher Hitchens from prayers | Books | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 158.32 KB | Sep 22 20:43 |
| schestowitz | 'So Christopher Hitchens isn't turning up for "Everybody pray for Christopher Hitchens Day". Ever since he announced in June that he was suffering from oesophogeal cancer, the writer has been inundated with offers of prayers for his health and salvation, offers which he has rejected with good-natured pleas for believers "not to trouble deaf heaven with your bootless cries".' | Sep 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | THe religious folks try to use it for their propaganda | Sep 22 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Daniel Dennett: http://onfaith.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/daniel_c_dennett/2010/09/thank_goodness_for_christopher_hitchens.html | Sep 22 20:45 |
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| MinceR | i wonder if they were so "nice" before he got cancer | Sep 22 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | schestowitz_log: hi | Sep 22 20:52 |
| schestowitz | scientes: hi | Sep 22 20:52 |
| schestowitz | If you need any help moving, let me know | Sep 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz | If you decide to take this route I know some people who can assist | Sep 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they attacked him | Sep 22 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Cause he criticised the l00ns like Falwel | Sep 22 20:53 |
| MinceR | that's what i thought | Sep 22 20:53 |
| MinceR | trying to profit from the misfortune of another is a core christian value after all | Sep 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | And now they go like, "poor man, he didn't know he had sinned and now he's punished... let's drive him to saying he was wrong before he dies" | Sep 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | TO them, it's also justification of their beliefs | Sep 22 20:54 |
| scientes | moving where? | Sep 22 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Now, if Dennett and Dawkins die too (they are quite old), they'll try to find patterns | Sep 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | scientes: another area | Sep 22 20:55 |
| scientes | what that in ref to me | Sep 22 20:55 |
| scientes | ahh | Sep 22 20:55 |
| scientes | yeah, i might do that | Sep 22 20:55 |
| scientes | what do i do with my stuff | Sep 22 20:55 |
| scientes | put it down to a few bags? | Sep 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | [20:54] <MinceR> trying to profit from the misfortune of another is a core christian value after all | Sep 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 22 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Finding the poor and miserable | Sep 22 20:55 |
| scientes | I'm thinking a kibbutz or similar, then come back and try one more time | Sep 22 20:56 |
| schestowitz | BRinging them for 'charity' in some religious centre where they can empower the cult for shelter | Sep 22 20:56 |
| scientes | <schestowitz> [20:54] <MinceR> trying to profit from the misfortune of another is a core christian value after all | Sep 22 20:56 |
| scientes | Those that poke out the peoples eyes reproach them for their blindness -Milton | Sep 22 20:56 |
| scientes | somewhere without cars | Sep 22 20:57 |
| scientes | where does that exist? | Sep 22 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Zermatt | Sep 22 20:57 |
| MinceR | there are many such places | Sep 22 20:57 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy's kind of place | Sep 22 20:57 |
| scientes | what sort of foreign militaries can you join? | Sep 22 20:57 |
| MinceR | what for? | Sep 22 20:57 |
| schestowitz | The Love Police | Sep 22 20:58 |
| schestowitz | The Model Army | Sep 22 20:58 |
| schestowitz | North Korea... :-) | Sep 22 20:58 |
| schestowitz | I love that song... | Sep 22 20:58 |
| scientes | if only my parents could have stayed in the same house | Sep 22 20:58 |
| scientes | its just this primal hermitage thing | Sep 22 20:58 |
| scientes | and then my brother is my mothers "protector", instead of a brother | Sep 22 20:58 |
| schestowitz | In Soviet Kamchtka, cars drive PEOPLE | Sep 22 20:59 |
| scientes | lol | Sep 22 20:59 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 22 20:59 |
| schestowitz | And mules ride people | Sep 22 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! | Sep 22 20:59 |
| schestowitz | In COmmunist CHina, tanks drive people | Sep 22 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i have no problem with 'kibbutz' concept. early israelis were quite progressive. | Sep 22 21:00 |
| MinceR | in front of themselves! | Sep 22 21:00 |
| schestowitz | FOr sho! | Sep 22 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: idealistic. Ever read Koestler's Arrow in the Blue? | Sep 22 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: all those ideals are shot to hell now. | Sep 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Zermatt? | Sep 22 21:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | Arthur Koestler. | Sep 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | WHo's he? | Sep 22 21:01 |
| schestowitz | maybe you talk to scientes?> | Sep 22 21:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | just an old guy. probably a dead guy now. | Sep 22 21:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: he wrote a great science book, "The Sleepwalkers". | Sep 22 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: about Kepler, Copernicus | Sep 22 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's truly a classic | Sep 22 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Koestler was involved in kibbutz life in Israel's early years, it's in his memoir, Arrow in the Blue | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | I don't know about it | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | Kepler, Copernicus - yes, important icons | Sep 22 21:03 |
| schestowitz | But they probably built on other people's work | Sep 22 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Catchy names, built legacy | Sep 22 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: sure they did. | Sep 22 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Sleepwalkers goes into that. Talks about Brahe, too. | Sep 22 21:04 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: they referred to Ptolemy and others | Sep 22 21:04 |
| scientes | ptolmy was the one that got the circumference of the earth right if i recall correctly | Sep 22 21:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | archimedes worked on that. | Sep 22 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | iirc | Sep 22 21:07 |
| scientes | anyways im talking out of my ass | Sep 22 21:09 |
| schestowitz | In Egypt is happened | Sep 22 21:16 |
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| schestowitz | Cosmos said so anyway | Sep 22 21:17 |
| schestowitz | BC | Sep 22 21:17 |
| schestowitz | hi, gobs | Sep 22 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/51382965#notice-51816185 "@schestowitz so, what was he right about?" | Sep 22 21:22 |
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| schestowitz | Shuttleworth correctly predicted that Oracle would not leave Linux a commodity. I still think they might pull a btrfs/zfs trick | Sep 22 21:23 |
| schestowitz | "@richardfontana I think that was a completely misleading headline" http://twitter.com/richardfontana/status/25240738770 | Sep 22 21:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theaustralian.com.au/australian-it/richard-stallman-calls-for-internet-tax-to-combat-piracy/story-e6frgakx-1225927900738 | Sep 22 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Richard Stallman calls for internet tax to combat piracy | The Australian .::. Size~: 47.59 KB | Sep 22 21:26 |
| MinceR | what | Sep 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | he didn't say that | Sep 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | See the article | Sep 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Pillocks | Sep 22 21:29 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | Someone should E-mail him about it | Sep 22 21:29 |
| schestowitz | The writer needs to be talked to, maybe reprimanded for being inane :-p | Sep 22 21:30 |
| MinceR | still, i'm not sure if his actual idea would be good | Sep 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Crosbie | Sep 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | Sep 22 21:30 | |
| schestowitz | @schestowitz Stallman appears to think #copyright is fine for aesthetic/entertaining works, but not software - hence supports tax for art. | Sep 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Crosbie/status/25224813815 | Sep 22 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz I suspect Richard Stallman hasn't understood that a free market in intellectual work is viable. Tax is worse than #copyright." | Sep 22 21:30 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Crosbie/status/25224688047 | Sep 22 21:30 |
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| schestowitz | [21:30] <MinceR> still, i'm not sure if his actual idea would be good | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | me neither | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Forced tax | Sep 22 21:31 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't trust the state with anything -- not even this | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Even for people who don't use the Net for multimedia | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he tries to sound reasonable | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | I saw some panels when they pressure him | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | Ask him to offer a better way | Sep 22 21:31 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz That would make Win7 morally acceptable for the #BoycottQaeda principes if run virtualized on top of Linux?" http://twitter.com/dmacvicar/status/25221068189 | Sep 22 21:32 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / Duncan Mac-Vicar P.: @schestowitz That would ma ... .::. Size~: 9.51 KB | Sep 22 21:32 |
| FurnaceBoy | remember he made a bad call on the mysql thing and recanted, right? | Sep 22 21:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | wth? | Sep 22 21:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | boycottqaeda? wtf? | Sep 22 21:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | morally acceptable? | Sep 22 21:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Sep 22 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Novell's @dmacvicar confuses my principles with those of someone else, maybe FSF | Sep 22 21:33 |
| MinceR | what products/services does al-qaeda sell? | Sep 22 21:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | they either think, or make it sound like, the pile of bits that is Win7 is the issue. | Sep 22 21:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's pretty fatal cluelessness | Sep 22 21:34 |
| schestowitz | "Can you give a link to his blog post you are talking about?" http://twitter.com/gappme/status/25223007961 | Sep 22 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: I don't like Novell | Sep 22 21:34 |
| schestowitz | So maybe Novell staff equates me with AL Qaueda now | Sep 22 21:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is pure trollery schestowitz i wouldn't respond. | Sep 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | THey did before... the ACCESS troll for example | Sep 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes "taliban" | Sep 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | [21:34] <FurnaceBoy> they either think, or make it sound like, the pile of bits that is Win7 is the issue. | Sep 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | I started when I said I put a Linux with Flash for someone | Sep 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | To replace Windoiws | Sep 22 21:35 |
| schestowitz | That led to me supposedly being a Vista7 pusher from Al Qaeda | Sep 22 21:36 |
| schestowitz | Acc. to Novell staff | Sep 22 21:36 |
| schestowitz | "@dmacvicar You are clearly trolling me if you imply that I promote #Vista7 when giving someone Linux+Flash and (then add "Al Qaeda"??)" | Sep 22 21:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's funny how Al Qaeda is the new Hitler. | Sep 22 21:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | it cheapens the memory of the hundreds of thousands who died on 9/11 | Sep 22 21:39 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: yeah | Sep 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | [21:39] <FurnaceBoy> it's funny how Al Qaeda is the new Hitler. | Sep 22 21:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/11/04/smears-and-godwin-2-0/ | Sep 22 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: after 9/11, not on 9/11 | Sep 22 21:44 |
| schestowitz | or "by" | Sep 22 21:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i know. | Sep 22 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: that was my point | Sep 22 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | but one'd think it was the other way round, wouldn't one? | Sep 22 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: only american lives are worth being concerned about, or counting | Sep 22 21:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's just weird how such people are ready to debase the whole thing by creating #BoycottQaeda witticisms | Sep 22 21:46 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he's just worried about his job at Novell | Sep 22 21:52 |
| schestowitz | He came rudely to IRC a well | Sep 22 21:52 |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/dha2t/today_i_am_attending_a_meeting_where_my_coworkers/c1075x0 | Sep 22 21:52 |
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| schestowitz | what happaned with julian, FurnaceBoy? | Sep 22 21:53 |
| schestowitz | I think they grounded him with that "Rape" thing | Sep 22 21:54 |
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| schestowitz | He was superstar in August | Sep 22 21:54 |
| schestowitz | hi, gnufreex | Sep 22 21:54 |
| gnufreex | hi | Sep 22 21:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: MPAA now calling wikileaks a 'dangerous site,' wants to censor it. | Sep 22 22:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: remember, wikileaks is dangerous, and a rogue planet-sized military is not, | Sep 22 22:00 |
| schestowitz | of course | Sep 22 22:17 |
| schestowitz | "@schestowitz yes sorry. I was confused. You had no principles right?" http://twitter.com/dmacvicar/status/25245385949 | Sep 22 22:25 |
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| schestowitz | Clearly a troll then. Have fun with other trolls. | Sep 22 22:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | ugh | Sep 22 22:29 |
| FurnaceBoy | i warned you | Sep 22 22:29 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/51422315#notice-51859449 "won't a better comparison be with MSFT + Dell + HP though" | Sep 22 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | Not really. Apple is not a software company, either. It just uses many people's code (BSD, KHTML, etc.) | Sep 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: you were right | Sep 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | But I thought maybe I could engage with him to have him softened and stop the daemoniations | Sep 22 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Other trolls today libel me | Sep 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Say that BBC C&Dd me | Sep 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Utter fabrication | Sep 22 22:36 |
| schestowitz | I just ignore that trolling | Sep 22 22:36 |
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| oiaohm | I am sorry to say schestowitz you have been caught out. pdfmod is another mono application. | Sep 22 23:15 |
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| schestowitz | ouch | Sep 22 23:24 |
| schestowitz | thanks for the warning | Sep 22 23:25 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: Steve Jobs is a dick. http://www.thestar.com/business/companies/apple/article/864844--the-student-who-won-t-accept-leave-us-alone-from-steve-jobs | Sep 22 23:51 |
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| schestowitz | I know. I blogged and µ-blogged it | Sep 22 23:52 |
| FurnaceBoy | ah. | Sep 22 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Jobs is right in a way | Sep 22 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Given the full correspondenced | Sep 22 23:55 |
| schestowitz | She kept mailing | Sep 22 23:55 |
| schestowitz | He should learn to ignore | Sep 22 23:55 |
| schestowitz | And dump E-mail if that helps | Sep 22 23:55 |
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