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schestowitzhttp://www.stallman.org/archives/2010-jul-oct.html#25%20September%202010%20%28Six%20arrested%20in%20Northumbria%29Sep 26 00:03
schestowitz"People were arrested in the UK for burning a Qur'an. Making it a crime to express criticism in this way is an infringement of freedom of speech. Burning the British flag seems like an appropriate expression of disgust."Sep 26 00:03
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FurnaceBoyLOLSep 26 00:07
FurnaceBoymemo to Britons, you are not in America.Sep 26 00:07
FurnaceBoyman the rot has gone farSep 26 00:07
FurnaceBoybrain rotSep 26 00:07
FurnaceBoyhollywood has a lot to answer forSep 26 00:07
FurnaceBoynext they'll want their Miranda rightsSep 26 00:07
FurnaceBoydumbfucksSep 26 00:07
FurnaceBoyif you'll excuse my FrenchSep 26 00:08
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FurnaceBoyschestowitz: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2010/09/cognitive-slaves.htmlSep 26 02:12
TechrightsBot-scTitle: COGNITIVE SLAVES - Global Guerrillas .::. Size~: 63.46 KBSep 26 02:12
FurnaceBoyschestowitz: this has bothered me for a while, but i could not put it into wordsSep 26 02:12
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FurnaceBoyEnder2070: wbSep 26 03:09
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/52389934 "We only need 6 more people donating 5 USD each to get the translation feature started! Come on people! !Choqok !KDE !Kubuntu"Sep 26 05:38
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Svein Wisnaes (oceanwatcher)'s status on Saturday, 25-Sep-10 22:18:39 UTC - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.26 KBSep 26 05:38
schestowitz> Dear Roy:Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> I just saw this:Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/European_Commission_OSS_Strategy_Draft,_Mar_2009Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> Release dateSep 26 05:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle: European Commission OSS Strategy Draft, Mar 2009 - WikiLeaks .::. Size~: 19.43 KBSep 26 05:40
schestowitz>     February 26, 2009Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> SummarySep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> This file is an edited version of the EU OSS Strategy draft with the input of Jonathan Zuck, President of the Association for Competitive Technology, an organisation that has strong ties with Microsoft[1]Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> The file is a draft for an expert panel formed by the European Commission. This panel is divided into workgroup (IPR, Open Source, digital life, etc.) ACT and Comptia have been infiltrating every workgroup, even the one on Open Source (WG 7). They are doing the best they can to drown any initiative that would not only promote OSS in Europe but also that could help Europe create a sucessful European software sector.Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> The audience for this document could be journalists who would be interested in getting to know more how lobbies of all kind influence the European institutions. Here it is perhaps even more stringent as ACT is clearly an US organization with ties to Microsoft. Verifications might not be easy as this is an internal draft. The best contact might be commission personnel: Lars.PEDERSEN@ec.europa.eu ; Michel.Lacroix@ec.europa.euSep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> It has been leaked as it is important to have the public know how actual policy making is being influenced by lobbies that are precisely under the legal scrutiny of the European Commission. The urgency of the publication of this document is real in the sense that outside pressure would foce the Commission to "clean the committees" or at least give a lesser credit to the work of this workgroup.Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz>    1. ↑ http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Jonathan_ZuckSep 26 05:40
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Jonathan Zuck - SourceWatch .::. Size~: 17.56 KBSep 26 05:40
schestowitz>Sep 26 05:40
schestowitz> I wonder why PJ has not reported about this.Sep 26 05:40
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schestowitzFurnaceBoy: Friedman at http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/011624.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+worldchanging_fulltext+%28WorldChanging.com+Full+Text%29Sep 26 09:46
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Worldchanging: Bright Green: Clinton Global Initiative 2010 - Day 2: Strengthening Market-Based Solutions .::. Size~: 53.58 KBSep 26 09:46
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schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1733986/ex-mandriva-linux-staff-fork-distro?WT.rss_f=News&WT.rss_a=Ex-Mandriva+Linux+staff+fork+the+distroSep 26 12:34
schestowitzAny downloads yet?Sep 26 12:34
TechrightsBot-scTitle:                     Ex-mandriva linux staff fork the distro - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 57.68 KBSep 26 12:34
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1734257/facebook-admits-scam-central?WT.rss_f=News&WT.rss_a=Facebook+admits+it+is+scam+centralSep 26 12:35
TechrightsBot-scTitle:                     Facebook admits it is scam central - The Inquirer          .::. Size~: 62.16 KBSep 26 12:35
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schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/17/pope-astronomer-baptise-aliensSep 26 13:25
TechrightsBot-scTitle:  Pope's astronomer says he would baptise an alien if it asked him | Science | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 76.94 KBSep 26 13:25
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: I guess these days are over at the BBC http://slashdot.org/journal/206371/Stallman-Gates-gone-bars-remainSep 26 14:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Slashdot Journal | Stallman: Gates gone, bars remain .::. Size~: 48.43 KBSep 26 14:28
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qu1j0t3"Rather than waiting until later in life to focus on giving back"Sep 26 15:51
qu1j0t3http://www.briansolis.com/2010/09/first-look-mark-zuckerberg-and-mayor-cory-booker-visit-newarks-kipp-school/Sep 26 15:51
TechrightsBot-scTitle: First Look: Mark Zuckerberg and Mayor Cory Booker Visit Newarks KIPP School .::. Size~: 36.54 KBSep 26 15:51
qu1j0t3"I feel very fortunate for the opportunities I’ve been given because of my education, including the chance to work with talented people and build a great company at such a young age. "Sep 26 15:51
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schestowitzQuadrescence: old BBC article?Sep 26 18:11
QuadrescenceWhat?Sep 26 18:11
schestowitzhttp://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/155038/Bono-s-ONE-campaign-gets-10m-donations-but-gives-just-118k-/Sep 26 18:11
schestowitzhttp://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/201205/Bono-charity-spends-more-on-wages-than-good-causes-/Sep 26 18:11
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Daily Star: Simply The Best 7 Days A Week :: News :: Bono's ONE campaign gets £10m donations but gives just £118k  .::. Size~: 53.63 KBSep 26 18:11
TechrightsBot-schttp://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/201205/Bono-charity-spends-more-on-wages-than-good-causes-/Sep 26 18:11
schestowitzcSep 26 18:11
schestowitzAnother charity effort gone awrySep 26 18:12
schestowitzhttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/Bill-Gates-tops-Forbes-400-rich-list-for-17th-straight-year/articleshow/6611856.cmsSep 26 18:12
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Bill Gates tops Forbes 400 rich list for 17th straight year - The Times of India .::. Size~: 69.49 KBSep 26 18:12
schestowitzWow.Sep 26 18:12
schestowitzSo rich and ALSO most generous :-)Sep 26 18:12
schestowitzPR at its bestSep 26 18:12
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: why can't you be generous like him?Sep 26 18:13
schestowitzFurnaceBoy: friendman and Gates: http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/011624.htmlSep 26 18:23
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Worldchanging: Bright Green: Clinton Global Initiative 2010 - Day 2: Strengthening Market-Based Solutions .::. Size~: 53.69 KBSep 26 18:23
FurnaceBoy...!!!!!!!!Sep 26 18:23
FurnaceBoybirds of a feather flock togetherSep 26 18:23
FurnaceBoygates is the face of globalisation, friedman is its salesmanSep 26 18:24
FurnaceBoyurickSep 26 18:24
FurnaceBoyowell gotta goSep 26 18:24
FurnaceBoybblSep 26 18:24
schestowitzGates + moustacheSep 26 18:24
schestowitz+ClintonsaSep 26 18:24
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MinceRhttp://crap.fi/images/archive/7435.jpgSep 26 20:51
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type .::. Size~: 0 KBSep 26 20:52
schestowitzdentedSep 26 20:53
MinceR:)Sep 26 20:58
MinceRsounds violent :>Sep 26 20:58
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schestowitzNoSep 26 21:09
schestowitzlike 'tweeted"Sep 26 21:09
schestowitzMaybe you knew thisSep 26 21:09
MinceRi did, but it still sounds violentSep 26 21:09
MinceR(actually i only suspected)Sep 26 21:09
schestowitzBentSep 26 21:10
schestowitzLike BeckhamSep 26 21:10
*schestowitz just finished a whole chicken *growls*Sep 26 21:10
schestowitzYesterday I had a nice chatSep 26 21:10
schestowitzA relative of mine who's also a phd (journalism) told me about the dangers of exposing rich people who run the systems behind the scenesSep 26 21:11
schestowitzThere are usually few familiesSep 26 21:11
schestowitzAnd they employ bullies or lawyers to threaten journalistsSep 26 21:11
schestowitzIt's a good thing that Gates isn't in the UK... sort ofSep 26 21:11
schestowitzThey cause trouble to people who criticise them, with funding for exampleSep 26 21:12
schestowitz"Rival Digg’s botched attempt at a redesign and the announcement of a Reddit-inspired rally in Washington D.C. by TV personalities Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart have bumped up the site’s numbers. Now the site has announced that the buzz has brought a new ad campaign from a very big client — Microsoft."Sep 26 22:12
schestowitzMinceR: http://venturebeat.com/2010/09/20/reddit-buzz-microsoft-advertising/Sep 26 22:13
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Reddit buzz wins the site Microsoft ad bucks | VentureBeat .::. Size~: 46.81 KBSep 26 22:13
MinceRsounds like they're going to lose their ABP exception entry thenSep 26 22:13
MinceRalso sounds like they're going the way of /.Sep 26 22:13
schestowitzad diggSep 26 22:14
schestowitzandSep 26 22:14
schestowitzsite growsSep 26 22:14
schestowitzThen Microsoft comes with moneySep 26 22:14
schestowitzSite dies for real newsSep 26 22:14
MinceRthough the IE9 advertisement was thus far only in an article asking for informationSep 26 22:14
schestowitzThen drops MicrosoftSep 26 22:14
schestowitzBut it's too lateSep 26 22:14
MinceRwe need a social news site that's immune to m$, crApple and their zombiesSep 26 22:14
MinceRi wouldn't mind a "if you're a m$ or crApple cultist, your ass is banned" policy on that siteSep 26 22:15
MinceRi'm really tired of having to trudge through the shit posted by people without brainsSep 26 22:15
MinceRand social filtering fucked up by such zombiesSep 26 22:15
MinceR(not quite related, but) i stopped reading index.hu when they put IE9 ads at the top and bottom of every single fucking articleSep 26 22:16
MinceRif they want to help m$ ruin the web again, fuck themSep 26 22:16
MinceRas for reddit, i'll just wait and seeSep 26 22:17
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gnufreexMinceR: Agree. Most sites are to open for takeover.Sep 26 22:18
gnufreexAnd MSFT sharks are going over internet and conquering sites.Sep 26 22:22
gnufreexAttacking everyone who says anything bad about MS, or anything good about free software.Sep 26 22:22
qu1j0t3interesting.Sep 26 22:25
qu1j0t3funny how they appear to be getting stronger, bolderSep 26 22:25
qu1j0t3the company is on such unsound foundations that i think it will implode regardless of their effortsSep 26 22:25
qu1j0t3maybe that's why they are getting desperate and using more dirty tricksSep 26 22:26
gnufreexI am not so sure. They made so deep lockin... windows is like mainframe wrt lock in.Sep 26 22:26
qu1j0t3well, it was higher before.Sep 26 22:27
qu1j0t3of course lock in is their only planSep 26 22:27
qu1j0t3it was always the only planSep 26 22:27
gnufreexThere are other factors.Sep 26 22:27
qu1j0t3they don't know how to do anything elseSep 26 22:27
gnufreexLike duration of lockinSep 26 22:27
qu1j0t3sure.Sep 26 22:27
qu1j0t3but they have taken hitsSep 26 22:27
schestowitz[22:22] <gnufreex> And MSFT sharks are going over internet and conquering sites.Sep 26 22:27
schestowitzGates does this tooSep 26 22:27
qu1j0t3NT lost the server (thank god), and windows is under attack. it's weak on mobile and not looking to pick upSep 26 22:28
gnufreexOver time lockin stop being only technological thing. It becomes mental lockin.Sep 26 22:28
schestowitzEntryismSep 26 22:28
schestowitzhttp://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092410-juniper.html?hpg1=bnSep 26 22:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle: The Microsofting of Juniper Networks .::. Size~: 105.52 KBSep 26 22:28
schestowitzhttp://www.electronista.com/articles/10/09/24/nokia.may.use.windows.phone.7.with.new.ceo/Sep 26 22:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Rumor has Nokia likely to use Windows Phone 7 | Electronista .::. Size~: 88.64 KBSep 26 22:28
schestowitzhttp://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2010/9/25/nokia-may-use-windows-phone-7-says-report/Sep 26 22:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Nokia May Use Windows Phone 7 Says Report - ITProPortal.com .::. Size~: 47.56 KBSep 26 22:28
schestowitz"If you can't persuade them, overthrow them..."Sep 26 22:29
qu1j0t3gnufreex: yesSep 26 22:29
qu1j0t3gnufreex: in fact, it's the harder kind to fight.Sep 26 22:29
qu1j0t3the company will implode eventuallySep 26 22:30
qu1j0t3things will get interesting after that.Sep 26 22:30
gnufreexIt is sometimes imposible. There are people who will refuse to use anyting non-Microsoft to the resto of their lives.Sep 26 22:30
gnufreexThey are simply "programed" that way.Sep 26 22:31
gnufreexOnly way to move them is to destroy the company.Sep 26 22:31
gnufreex*company = MicrosoftSep 26 22:32
FurnaceBoyit's destroying itself.Sep 26 22:32
*FurnaceBoy is qu1j0t3 on another terminal btwSep 26 22:33
FurnaceBoyit has no sustainable structureSep 26 22:33
gnufreexQuote from the matrix movie: And many of them are hopelessly depended on the system, that they will fight to protect itSep 26 22:33
*FurnaceBoy afksSep 26 22:33
*MinceR wonders who (if anyone) will pick MeeGo up if nokia ends up micro$oftizedSep 26 22:34
gnufreexMinceR: I hope Intel don't take crap... they could just take MeeGo and continue it as sucessor to Moblin.Sep 26 22:39
MinceRsure, but who will put it on phones?Sep 26 22:39
MinceRthen again, intel could push MeeGo on atom-based phonesSep 26 22:39
MinceRbut those probably eat electricity like candySep 26 22:40
gnufreexExaclySep 26 22:40
gnufreexBut those are crapSep 26 22:40
MinceRcompared to ARM, that isSep 26 22:40
gnufreexAnd Intel is enemy of portability.Sep 26 22:40
gnufreexThey might put intelisms in.Sep 26 22:40
MinceRif MeeGo would be left only to intel, that could be a threat to its compatibility with ARM.Sep 26 22:40
MinceRif only Intel had the brains not to sell XScale off...Sep 26 22:41
gnufreexIf DEC had brans not to sell it in first place.Sep 26 22:41
MinceRDEC shouldn't have sold off to compaqSep 26 22:42
MinceRthemselves, i meanSep 26 22:42
gnufreexDEC sold XScale to intel along with Alpha fab in Hudson. It was part of setlement. They first sued Intel and then sold them fab and XScale. Dumbest move of the 20th decade in IT industry.Sep 26 22:44
MinceRsounds like a monumentally dumb moveSep 26 22:46
gnufreexIntel then fired half of employees in that fab and reduced supply of Alpha. DEC seriosuly thought that their number 1 competitor will fab chips for them.Sep 26 22:47
MinceR:>Sep 26 22:48
MinceRgnSep 26 22:49
schestowitzgnufreex: which are the biggest threat to s/w freedom?Sep 26 22:50
schestowitzor to computing?Sep 26 22:51
schestowitzThe thing is, I begin to realise the role of other issues like patentsSep 26 22:51
MinceRm$Sep 26 22:51
schestowitzOutside s/w tooSep 26 22:51
schestowitzGates plays this game tooSep 26 22:51
schestowitzGMO, drugs, etc.Sep 26 22:51
schestowitzIt's worrisomeSep 26 22:51
MinceR(i doubt that it's wise to narrow it down to a single company though)Sep 26 22:51
schestowitzhttp://republicdefiance.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=819:who-put-bill-gates-in-charge-of-the-world&catid=36:newsSep 26 22:52
schestowitzMinceR: you can't explore everything at onceSep 26 22:52
schestowitzNot with depthSep 26 22:52
schestowitzSame as in all fields of research, one is complementary to another's workSep 26 22:52
gnufreexschestowitz: I think MS, Apple. They are 100% enemies. Oralce and IBM are playing double game. There are bunch of smaller propriatary software companies who are as rabid against free software as microsoft. They are big problem colectivileySep 26 22:52
MinceRa small set is possible though, isn't it?Sep 26 22:52
gnufreexMinceR: I had a bookmark about the DEC settlement: http://news.cnet.com/Settlement-good-for-Digital,-bad-for-Alpha/2100-1001_3-204687.htmlSep 26 22:53
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Settlement good for Digital, bad for Alpha - CNET News .::. Size~: 60.98 KBSep 26 22:53
schestowitzhttp://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/09/apple-goes-to-trial-with-startup-over-pod-trademark/Sep 26 22:53
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Apple, Startup Go to Trial Over Pod Trademark | Gadget Lab | Wired.com .::. Size~: 111.72 KBSep 26 22:53
schestowitzhttp://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/09/21/apple_sues_hypermac_accessory_maker_over_magsafe_ipod_cables.htmlSep 26 22:53
TechrightsBot-scTitle: AppleInsider | Apple sues 'HyperMac' accessory maker over MagSafe, iPod cables .::. Size~: 53.1 KBSep 26 22:53
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100922/02461411103/is-it-patent-infringement-to-reuse-recycled-apple-magsafe-connectors.shtmlSep 26 22:53
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Is It Patent Infringement To Reuse Recycled Apple Magsafe Connectors? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 73.9 KBSep 26 22:53
schestowitzWe need to get rid of "IP" BSSep 26 22:53
gnufreexschestowitz: HP and Dell do what microsoft says. Taiwan OEMs like  Asus, Acer and MSI are even more so.Sep 26 22:55
gnufreexI think right now, everybody is out to get us.Sep 26 22:55
schestowitzYes, they have toSep 26 22:55
schestowitzWatch what they did to HurdSep 26 22:55
schestowitzLet's see who replaces himSep 26 22:55
schestowitzAlready the Turd 7 is back to SLateSep 26 22:56
schestowitzAnd it seems like HP has some former Microsoft staffSep 26 22:56
schestowitzWHen you see what happened in Nokia's it's reasonable to be a scepticSep 26 22:56
schestowitzbrbSep 26 22:56
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gnufreexMark Hurd was just into bussines, and he made his moves free spfware releated moves because of that. But Microsoft doesn't alow their subsidaries to have bussiness of their own. They want peopSep 26 23:00
gnufreex... people to lose money in the name of Microsoft jihad.Sep 26 23:00
gnufreexThey want religious devotion.Sep 26 23:00
schestowitzAlways been the caseSep 26 23:01
schestowitzHewlett-Packard Chief Executive Mark Hurd: "Steve [Ballmer], I'm sure you're aware of this. Our call lines are being overrun. [by Vista complaints]"Sep 26 23:01
gnufreexSo they framed Hurd for microsoft harassment.Sep 26 23:01
schestowitzTodd Bradley, executive vice president of HP's Personal System Group: "I am going to continue to elevate these issues, our customers and HP's reputation is getting hurt by poor execution and we need more aggressive action on your part."Sep 26 23:01
gnufreexI mean, sexual harasment.Sep 26 23:01
gnufreexHe sure fucked Microsoft.Sep 26 23:01
schestowitzGateway Computer Chairman Ted Waitt: "Microsoft allowed us to [remove Internet Explorer from Windows] but we don't think we should have to ask permission every time we want to make some minor software modification. Windows is an operating system, not a religion."Sep 26 23:02
schestowitzgnufreex: watch Microsoft's SEC filingSep 26 23:02
schestowitzHPSep 26 23:02
schestowitzIt's name thereSep 26 23:02
schestowitzAs threatSep 26 23:02
schestowitzIntel alsoSep 26 23:02
schestowitzCause they worked on Linux distrosSep 26 23:02
gnufreexschestowitz: I know.Sep 26 23:02
schestowitzIntel is now Nokia... more MeeGo than MoblinSep 26 23:03
schestowitzMostly Maemo in the wildSep 26 23:03
schestowitzBallmer was so happy about Elop leaving, it seemsSep 26 23:03
schestowitzHe left... maybe on a missionSep 26 23:03
schestowitzBallmer said he looked forward to working with him in NokiaSep 26 23:03
gnufreexYeah, he send him public goodbye note.Sep 26 23:03
schestowitzIt has been just one weekSep 26 23:03
schestowitzHe started around the 17th or 19th IIRCSep 26 23:03
schestowitzAlreadySep 26 23:04
gnufreexIt looks just like he left on a mission.Sep 26 23:04
schestowitzLooking into Vista Phone 7Sep 26 23:04
schestowitz[23:03] <gnufreex> Yeah, he send him public goodbye note.Sep 26 23:04
schestowitz"Bon Voyage"Sep 26 23:04
schestowitz"Have a nice trip"Sep 26 23:04
schestowitzNokia doesn't mindSep 26 23:04
schestowitzThe stock roseSep 26 23:04
schestowitzThey wanted change, so SteveB deliveredSep 26 23:05
gnufreexI fear what he will do with QtSep 26 23:05
gnufreexIt is LGPLv2/v3Sep 26 23:05
gnufreexHe might nix v3Sep 26 23:05
gnufreexto prove a pointSep 26 23:05
gnufreexOr he might put it under ClearBSD and start charging patent royaltiesSep 26 23:06
gnufreexAnd say cinicaly "open source doesn't meen free. We have patents"Sep 26 23:07

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