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| schestowitz | They could | Sep 27 00:04 |
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| schestowitz | But *would* they? | Sep 27 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Too early to tell | Sep 27 00:04 |
| schestowitz | They could just keep it alive but unused, neglected | Sep 27 00:04 |
| schestowitz | Like Oracle s/ mysql | Sep 27 00:04 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: all this posturing and grandstanding about sexual harassment is just a smokescreen from the real crimes | Sep 27 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: it's earning PR points ;;; look at us we're ETHICAL while the other hand is in your pocket | Sep 27 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | free PR | Sep 27 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | Milk That Cow | Sep 27 00:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | (pun works too) | Sep 27 00:07 |
| schestowitz | yes, I know | Sep 27 00:08 |
| schestowitz | But HP had alleged fraud issues too | Sep 27 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Settled with SEC | Sep 27 00:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft too seems to have those problems | Sep 27 00:08 |
| schestowitz | But lots of ex-MSFTers in the govt. | Sep 27 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course | Sep 27 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | the fraud is ongoing | Sep 27 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | why stop now? | Sep 27 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's like supposedly IE pays attention to standards (LAUGH!) -- why start now? | Sep 27 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's not even believable. | Sep 27 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | why change anything | Sep 27 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | the profitable practices don't raise anyone's attention | Sep 27 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 27 00:12 |
| schestowitz | What can one mere citizen do except write about it? | Sep 27 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Nothing. | Sep 27 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | :) | Sep 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | At least *you're* doing something | Sep 27 00:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | I am?? | Sep 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | EWveryone else uses one of | Sep 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "Just accept the world" | Sep 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "The world isn't perfect" | Sep 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "Why bother fighting" | Sep 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "Get on with your life" | Sep 27 00:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | wow. | Sep 27 00:13 |
| schestowitz | "You're not making a difference" | Sep 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | "You're just envious" | Sep 27 00:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | hahahahahhaha | Sep 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Ad infinitum | Sep 27 00:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | tiny immovable minds | Sep 27 00:14 |
| schestowitz | In some cases it's trickier | Sep 27 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | this seems a product of disinterest in the world, or improving oneself, let alone anything else in it | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Depending on the criticised party | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | "you're just sexist" | Sep 27 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | disinterest and IGNORANCE | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | "you're just racist" | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | "you're just a Nazi (national pride)" | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | "you're just trying to get attentio" | Sep 27 00:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | hahahahahah | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | I.e. contrarian for attention | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Not cause it's true | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | "He's just a comedian" | Sep 27 00:15 |
| schestowitz | "He's just an entertainer" | Sep 27 00:16 |
| schestowitz | "He does this for a living" | Sep 27 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Moore gets lots of it ATM | Sep 27 00:16 |
| schestowitz | "She is just trying to sell book, ignore her" | Sep 27 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Unless... | Sep 27 00:16 |
| schestowitz | She's not Wolf | Sep 27 00:16 |
| schestowitz | But someone pretending to speak for America's poor | Sep 27 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Pro-rich=OK | Sep 27 00:16 |
| schestowitz | pro-them=treason | Sep 27 00:17 |
| schestowitz | "LALALALALA>.. I ain't litening" | Sep 27 00:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's amazing how Blair got away with his book tour | Sep 27 00:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | everyone's forgotten now. he had all the media run his press releases | Sep 27 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Got away from the eggs, too | Sep 27 00:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | here in canada they did so slavishly | Sep 27 00:18 |
| schestowitz | That's how it works | Sep 27 00:18 |
| schestowitz | I like to expand beyong the topics and speak about phenomenon broadly | Sep 27 00:18 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Sep 27 00:18 |
| schestowitz | Explain to people how to think critically of the press | Sep 27 00:18 |
| schestowitz | It works in Russian | Sep 27 00:19 |
| schestowitz | They won't trust Russian press much | Sep 27 00:19 |
| schestowitz | No matter how hard Pravda tries | Sep 27 00:19 |
| schestowitz | Pilger has a good qood quoite | Sep 27 00:19 |
| schestowitz | From some Czech guy IIRC | Sep 27 00:19 |
| schestowitz | You must have heard it... about why in Russia people envy the US, or vice versa | Sep 27 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Many of his talks plug this in.. | Sep 27 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Anyhoo | Sep 27 00:20 |
| schestowitz | I have about 30 posts to do.. | Sep 27 00:20 |
| schestowitz | I'll get started | Sep 27 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | k | Sep 27 00:25 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes u are right, russians are primed to distrust any 'official' source | Sep 27 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | yet the west has been persuaded that the mainstream is good and true | Sep 27 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | it will be the downfall | Sep 27 00:26 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure and complete | Sep 27 00:26 |
| Ender2070 | they sprayed people in winnipeg, 1953 with cancer causing bio agents. guess what? the media didnt report on it and nobody believes it happened. | Sep 27 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | !! | Sep 27 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, western history is littered with such coverups. | Sep 27 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | Australia has its share -- Maralinga | Sep 27 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | the pentagon was testing them to see how many people would come down with cancer | Sep 27 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | US has thousands of such incidents | Sep 27 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | you see, canada has the national health service | Sep 27 00:27 |
| FurnaceBoy | they're being uncovered | Sep 27 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | they were able to keep track of the cancer rates | Sep 27 00:27 |
| Ender2070 | today, you see various things being sprayed on us from the sky in all NATO countries | Sep 27 00:28 |
| Ender2070 | aluminum, barium and magnesium, fibrous material with sub micron sizes (asbestos is 2 microns) | Sep 27 00:28 |
| Ender2070 | the media gives you the "one liner" | Sep 27 00:29 |
| Ender2070 | "its contrails!" | Sep 27 00:29 |
| Ender2070 | the EPA sent the sample of fibrous material back to the people who collected it, refusing to test it and told them they dont accept unsolicited samples | Sep 27 00:29 |
| Ender2070 | I tried telling people I know and they don't believe me | Sep 27 00:30 |
| Ender2070 | "the government would never allow such a thing" | Sep 27 00:30 |
| Ender2070 | meanwhile, our government took the same bio agent (crystalline brucella) and infected mosquitos with it | Sep 27 00:33 |
| Ender2070 | those mosquitos were released from Belleville Ontario into the united states, 100 million were raised per month | Sep 27 00:33 |
| Ender2070 | cancer, chronic fatigue syndrome, aids, fibromyalgia, type 1 diabetes, parkinsons, alzheimers, crohns colitis, miltiple sclerosis, wegeners disease, rheumatoid arthritis | Sep 27 00:34 |
| Ender2070 | are all things crystalline brucella can cause | Sep 27 00:35 |
| Ender2070 | according to the pentagon researcher Dr Shyh-Ching Lo, from the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology, and top mycoplasma researcher | Sep 27 00:35 |
| Ender2070 | "they would never do that" | Sep 27 00:35 |
| Ender2070 | 9 billion people by 2050, and nobody is trying to kill us off? i would be trying to kill you guys off if i was rich | Sep 27 00:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: a lot of those diseases are also the result of aspartame intake | Sep 27 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, a few | Sep 27 00:41 |
| Ender2070 | aluminum in the air | Sep 27 00:41 |
| Ender2070 | fluoride increases your bodys absorbtion of aluminum | Sep 27 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | well, we could include aspartame in this same programme. | Sep 27 00:42 |
| Ender2070 | aspartame I haven't researched yet but I hear it has to do with aluminum too | Sep 27 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Rumsfeld is behind its public use | Sep 27 00:42 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Sep 27 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: aspartame causes a bunch of serious health problems | Sep 27 00:42 |
| Ender2070 | hamilton ontario puts .7 ppm in the water | Sep 27 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | Ender2070: there is piles of evidence that it's not safe; all ignored | Sep 27 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | god knows how Canada let it in; the FDA never tested it and refuses to look at the adverse research | Sep 27 00:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | in other words, it's forced on us | Sep 27 00:43 |
| Ender2070 | yeah im aware | Sep 27 00:43 |
| Ender2070 | its a program | Sep 27 00:43 |
| Ender2070 | population control among many other reasons | Sep 27 00:44 |
| schestowitz | adverse research = subversive | Sep 27 00:44 |
| schestowitz | "Activist researcher" | Sep 27 00:44 |
| schestowitz | =rogue | Sep 27 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | untrustworthy | Sep 27 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Tachi bullied some | Sep 27 00:44 |
| schestowitz | In GSK | Sep 27 00:44 |
| schestowitz | You know what he is now? | Sep 27 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | kooks | Sep 27 00:44 |
| Ender2070 | oh its what they call "a conspiracy theorist" | Sep 27 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Gates FOundation head of health | Sep 27 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | when i mentioned aspartame here in irc the other day | Sep 27 00:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | it was immediately shot down | Sep 27 00:44 |
| schestowitz | He was criminally investigated | Sep 27 00:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | as 'some kooks in basements say that' | Sep 27 00:45 |
| schestowitz | But so was Gates, so they hired him anyway | Sep 27 00:45 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Sep 27 00:45 |
| Ender2070 | Gates slipped population control in his vaccine speech | Sep 27 00:45 |
| Ender2070 | there was also a recent lawsuit won against the government over the autism causing vaccines | Sep 27 00:45 |
| Ender2070 | yet your a kook if you think that | Sep 27 00:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | he puts articles on his personal site about 'why vaccines are important | Sep 27 00:49 |
| Ender2070 | evidence points to vaccines causing the spanish flu | Sep 27 00:53 |
| Ender2070 | a group of soldiers were given the vaccine before being sent to spain for training and they were all clustered on the same few ships | Sep 27 00:53 |
| Ender2070 | during ww1 | Sep 27 00:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/derrickokeefe/status/25635577284 | Sep 27 00:57 |
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| Ender2070 | "Countless People will hate the New World Order and will die protesting against it" - H.G Wells, fabian socialist; The New World Order (1939) | Sep 27 01:08 |
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| Ender2070 | you guys see that IBM commercial? | Sep 27 01:25 |
| Ender2070 | look up 'ibm microchip commercial' on youtube | Sep 27 01:26 |
| Ender2070 | its kind of funny but they show you the future of shopping | Sep 27 01:26 |
| Ender2070 | via implantable micro chip | Sep 27 01:26 |
| schestowitz | seen it | Sep 27 01:43 |
| schestowitz | Been spread by RFID Sceptics | Sep 27 01:44 |
| schestowitz | In Russia, RFID tracks YOU! | Sep 27 01:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: In Third World AMerica, Fox News watches YOU | Sep 27 01:52 |
| schestowitz | In Third World America, Arriana is First Lady | Sep 27 01:54 |
| schestowitz | PS - buy my book | Sep 27 01:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: yes she's angling for a post-revolutionary role. | Sep 27 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | it will be decapitee, but she doesn't knwo that yet. | Sep 27 01:59 |
| FurnaceBoy | or hopes to forestall | Sep 27 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's insurance | Sep 27 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | populism | Sep 27 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | "No! Not glenn! We remember him! He helped us!" | Sep 27 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | "Not Arianna, she was on our side... remember her book?" | Sep 27 02:00 |
| schestowitz | Book for free? | Sep 27 02:35 |
| schestowitz | To the poor? | Sep 27 02:35 |
| schestowitz | Free as in "I appreciate freedom, but this one you need to pay for, permium for an autographed one" | Sep 27 02:35 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HsTqUhB3HU Ok kinda off topic. Blender 3d fun stuff. schestowitz Might make a good video filler at some point. | Sep 27 10:20 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: any ogg in the site? | Sep 27 10:49 |
| schestowitz | http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=195434 | Sep 27 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: MIDI Driver, music-driven animation creator - Blender Artists Forums .::. Size~: 85.59 KB | Sep 27 10:50 |
| oiaohm | Unforturely not. schestowitz | Sep 27 11:31 |
| schestowitz | ;-( | Sep 27 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Thinking that video is only a test of script not production usage. schestowitz | Sep 27 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Its going to get better. | Sep 27 11:31 |
| oiaohm | Really seen this script now gives me a reason to find 3d models of open source OS's. | Sep 27 11:41 |
| oiaohm | And try to make a band out of them. | Sep 27 11:41 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: just saw an interstitial ad on BBC (!!!) for 'thesocialnetwork' -- more Fuckerberg hagiography. | Sep 27 13:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | when did the BBC start running ads? | Sep 27 13:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | :( | Sep 27 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Long ago | Sep 27 13:47 |
| schestowitz | Esp. outside the UK | Sep 27 13:47 |
| schestowitz | In the UK we get just ads disguised as articles | Sep 27 13:47 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: http://localtechwire.com/business/local_tech_wire/news/blogpost/8345902/ | Sep 27 14:03 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://www.salon.com/wires/us/2010/09/27/D9IG9CT81_us_gates_foundation_college_graduation/index.html | Sep 27 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Gates Foundation focuses on college graduation - AP News Wire, Associated Press News - Salon.com .::. Size~: 63.69 KB | Sep 27 14:20 |
| schestowitz | I know | Sep 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | PR | Sep 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | Lobbing to take control | Sep 27 14:37 |
| schestowitz | AP | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Not Salon | Sep 27 14:38 |
| schestowitz | Do me a favour, check how/how much Gates pays AP | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | They seed many of his PR/puff pieces | Sep 27 14:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/09/27/1221213 | Sep 27 14:39 |
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| schestowitz | yep | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Obama Admin. | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | He's just the spokesperson | Sep 27 14:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | "The Permanent Admin" | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | CabalUS | Sep 27 14:39 |
| schestowitz | Few rich families have a lot of power | Sep 27 14:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | i see that making the administration about 'personality' has been very convenient. | Sep 27 14:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | people think 'oh, NIXON is gone.' | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Look who funds tea party for example | Sep 27 14:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'oh thank god BUSH is gone.' | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Who runs the press, sets agenda on issues like GMO | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Same everyone, even the UK | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | In the UK is's better | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | We can at least identify them | Sep 27 14:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'OBAMA will change everything. ' | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | With titles like "Baron" or some letters like CBE after the name | Sep 27 14:40 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: next round it'll be "PALIN will change everything" | Sep 27 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Lady leadership. that's CHANGE we can believe in | Sep 27 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Maybe next time around they'll elect a kid | Sep 27 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Cause they already had old presidents like Ronald | Sep 27 14:42 |
| schestowitz | Geithner... change we can believe in! | Sep 27 14:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: ah yes the british illustrate how it's done. | Sep 27 14:42 |
| schestowitz | "Change please" *pulls out hand | Sep 27 14:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: "Be a good boy and you might get an OBE to show that you're bound to the Establishmet." | Sep 27 14:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | OBE = a kind of borg, collective entity. | Sep 27 14:43 |
| schestowitz | "Be better than your follow men." s/be/feel/ | Sep 27 14:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | in the USA it's the same, but the entree is money | Sep 27 14:43 |
| schestowitz | My boss was an OBE | Sep 27 14:43 |
| schestowitz | THe one I did my PhD with | Sep 27 14:43 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: and in the US you don't kneel | Sep 27 14:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: oh, I am sure arianna does | Sep 27 14:44 |
| schestowitz | If you do, they call you "Taliban" | Sep 27 14:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: when Gates comes calling | Sep 27 14:44 |
| schestowitz | For coffee in gold cup, sure she does | Sep 27 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Then off to the room for 4 servants and 3 bidets.. to write a book about the poor Americans... like her | Sep 27 14:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | JACKPOT | Sep 27 14:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | so who screwed the poor Americans? | Sep 27 14:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | or is it genetic? | Sep 27 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Heredity | Sep 27 14:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | i see a fatal lack of reflection on arianna's part | Sep 27 14:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | gosh! this, ah, just happened! | Sep 27 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Looking for uniqueness among the family's kids by becoming rich | Sep 27 14:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | what awful luck | Sep 27 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Does Gates Jr. have siblings? | Sep 27 14:45 |
| schestowitz | I think he has a sister or something | Sep 27 14:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | no idea. the scary thing is he has kids. | Sep 27 14:46 |
| schestowitz | 3 | Sep 27 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Rory is the one he take to the nuclear site | Sep 27 14:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | no doubt he'll pull a murdoch | Sep 27 14:46 |
| schestowitz | somethingFORD | Sep 27 14:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is where daughters come in handy | Sep 27 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Abandoned now | Sep 27 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Pull a chelsea? | Sep 27 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Pedigree games... with GOldman Sachsers | Sep 27 14:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | Murdoch has a daughter | Sep 27 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Ewww.... | Sep 27 14:47 |
| schestowitz | I bet she got all the right plastic surgeries | Sep 27 14:47 |
| schestowitz | So that she doesn't look like a turtle, like the dad and his trophy wives | Sep 27 14:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | hehe | Sep 27 14:47 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/DanaBlankenhorn/statuses/25684199375 "I know you and Florian disagree, and I'm trying hard not to take sides. And I know that gets me hammered from both sides." | Sep 27 16:04 |
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| FurnaceBoy | trying not to take sides??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | Sep 27 16:04 |
| *FurnaceBoy facepalms | Sep 27 16:05 | |
| FurnaceBoy | that kind of attitude IS THE PROBLEM | Sep 27 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | POLITICIANS and USELESS JOURNOTWITS don't like to take sides UNTIL THERE IS A CLEAR WINNER | Sep 27 16:05 |
| FurnaceBoy | then they take sides, the dishonest, fence-sitting, pathetic, selfinterested\, creep schmucks | Sep 27 16:05 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/52218127#notice-52659176 "For a second i thought that they quit because they did not like MS not because they were being laid off. :D" That's right, they left cause they didn't see a future there. | Sep 27 16:06 |
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| schestowitz | He discredits himself also in Groklaw this way, that's his choice | Sep 27 16:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/25694541430 | Sep 27 16:07 |
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| FurnaceBoy | I WANT TO FIX THAT GODDAMN BOT. | Sep 27 16:07 |
| schestowitz | paste here | Sep 27 16:46 |
| schestowitz | "Try "taking a side" for once. It's also known as "having principles". #foss #swpat " | Sep 27 16:46 |
| FurnaceBoy | wht's the point of the bot then | Sep 27 16:48 |
| schestowitz | "@DanaBlankenhorn in one of your latest posts you falsely described him as OSS fan and being against software patents.He is neither of these." | Sep 27 16:48 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: articles (titles), not dents | Sep 27 16:49 |
| FurnaceBoy | i know, but jeez | Sep 27 16:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | the President and CEO of The Politico, Frederick Ryan, is also the Board Chairman for the Reagan Library. And that makes sense, because Ryan is a long-time, hard-core Reaganite. | Sep 27 17:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2007/05/04/politico_funding/index.html | Sep 27 17:19 |
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| FurnaceBoy | http://spamusement.com/index.php/comics/view/280 | Sep 27 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/52241663#notice-52681672 "I couldn't be less amazed, really. Just dimly sick. Arguments disualify their proponents." | Sep 27 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | He is generally discredit by his own words | Sep 27 18:15 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/silner/statuses/25722593496 "That's good. Thinking of going for something locally - but all my experience is hobbyist so think I might just look daft :)" | Sep 27 22:43 |
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| schestowitz | Does any one here have linux certification? | Sep 27 22:43 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: You mean RHCE or something? | Sep 27 22:44 |
| gnufreex | I don't, but thinking about getting. | Sep 27 22:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Blankenhorn shot back at my tweet, adding nothing | Sep 27 22:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | "I get yelled at more when I *do* take a position." oh poor me, etc | Sep 27 22:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | "I can't win" | Sep 27 22:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | "extremists victimise me" | Sep 27 22:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | sorry, if you're a fence-sitting ass because you don't want to be yelled at, then you're part of the problem | Sep 27 22:48 |
| schestowitz | [22:46] <qu1j0t3> "I get yelled at more when I *do* take a position." oh poor me, etc | Sep 27 23:00 |
| schestowitz | He's right in a sense | Sep 27 23:00 |
| schestowitz | I saw this happen to Mac Asay too | Sep 27 23:00 |
| schestowitz | If he takes Free software side, then IBM's dude get upset] | Sep 27 23:00 |
| schestowitz | *gets | Sep 27 23:01 |
| schestowitz | [22:48] <qu1j0t3> sorry, if you're a fence-sitting ass because you don't want to be yelled at, then you're part of the problem | Sep 27 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | so what does he really believe? | Sep 27 23:01 |
| schestowitz | That's why many papers just preent two sides | Sep 27 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Fake ones too | Sep 27 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | right. | Sep 27 23:01 |
| schestowitz | e.g. in global warming | Sep 27 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | "teach the controversy" | Sep 27 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | i'm familiar with this trick | Sep 27 23:01 |
| schestowitz | Not alarmists vs consevatives | Sep 27 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | see it all the time | Sep 27 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | saw it yesterday in the Canadian paper about "Trudeau's {sottovoce} CONTROVERSIAL legacy" | Sep 27 23:02 |
| schestowitz | But those who say there's no warming at all (they are not scientists BTW... not climatologists) and those whose field it is | Sep 27 23:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | like hell it's controversial. | Sep 27 23:02 |
| schestowitz | The press fails big time in environmental matters | Sep 27 23:02 |
| schestowitz | Cause it tries to be "Fair" | Sep 27 23:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's controversial right now because the conservatives want to smash Trudeau's Canada to pieces, and the papers DON'T WANT TO UPSET conservatives. | Sep 27 23:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | so they pretend it's controversial. fuck em | Sep 27 23:03 |
| schestowitz | Imagine if people who say Bush planned 9/11 with Osama got "equal coverage" | Sep 27 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | is the official report controversial or not? | Sep 27 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | or is the word debased beyond use | Sep 27 23:04 |
| schestowitz | They need to do anoher invetigation | Sep 27 23:04 |
| schestowitz | But what I mean is, some theorists are batshit insane | Sep 27 23:04 |
| schestowitz | There's those who say the planes landed somewhere else | Sep 27 23:04 |
| schestowitz | And the crashes were just missiles | Sep 27 23:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is less true of environmental issues | Sep 27 23:04 |
| schestowitz | And those who think explosive could be planted without someone in 100 floods noticing or blowing the whistle | Sep 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | You can't give equal coverage for remotely possible with zero evidence | Sep 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Same for climate | Sep 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | People with Kohl funding | Sep 27 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | Koch ? | Sep 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Sep 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | And no publication record in the field | Sep 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | I mixed it up with Herbert | Sep 27 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | the fact is all public discourse in the US is wrecked | Sep 27 23:05 |
| schestowitz | Lobbyists | Sep 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | See Lessig's excellent new talkj | Sep 27 23:06 |
| *schestowitz fetches link | Sep 27 23:06 | |
| qu1j0t3 | thre's no hope for finding anything out about 9/11 or having people take climate change seriously | Sep 27 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's pretty much a lost cause | Sep 27 23:06 |
| schestowitz | http://www.blip.tv/file/4171181 | Sep 27 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Keynote at the Coffee Party's Mock Constitutional Convention .::. Size~: 33.14 KB | Sep 27 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | at least with open source/foss there are reasonably intelligent people available | Sep 27 23:07 |
| gnufreex | This is so lame http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvV6_t3crlk&feature=player_embedded | Sep 27 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: YouTube - Windows Phone 7 Ad featuring HTC Mondrian-2 .::. Size~: 112.43 KB | Sep 27 23:07 |
| schestowitz | The 9/11 thing also got filled with people who poison the well | Sep 27 23:07 |
| schestowitz | The extreme nutcase side | Sep 27 23:07 |
| schestowitz | So those who ask reasonable question (like RMS, who just asks for a better report to be produced) get lumped in with the "crazies" | Sep 27 23:08 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: oh no..not viral ads now | Sep 27 23:08 |
| schestowitz | They want you to share these | Sep 27 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Like the funeral stunt | Sep 27 23:08 |
| gnufreex | aha... so ignore the trollish add :-) | Sep 27 23:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: or Ahmadinejad, who asks for a better report. | Sep 27 23:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: there's a lot at stake for him.. and he quite rightly points out the weaving of a sacred myth around the issue, making it untouchable | Sep 27 23:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | s/issue/event/ | Sep 27 23:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're trying to make the minty taste of 9/11 last for a few more wars | Sep 27 23:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | and if we couldn't stop the first, we should do our best to stop the next | Sep 27 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | the cons lie machine must be working on ensuring that the textbooks record an Iraq/alQaeda connection. | Sep 27 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | and authenticate all the rest of the fabrications | Sep 27 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | untouchable == "if you so much as mention it, we walk out" | Sep 27 23:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's bullshit. he didn't even say anything outre. | Sep 27 23:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: think about it like this -- if you stop focusing on "did they do it <this way>" and ask "are they capable of doing it" then the answer is a lot clearer. | Sep 27 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: there's no doubt these people would do what has been suggested. | Sep 27 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and the proof is what they did next. | Sep 27 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: if they care nothing about 1,000,000 (give or take a few 100,000) Iraqis (and others), why would they care about 3K yanks? many more than that died post-invasion anyway | Sep 27 23:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: life means nothing to these people | Sep 27 23:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: we can argue about HOW they might have done it, but not over their willingness TO do it | Sep 27 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: look at Rumsfeld alone. | Sep 27 23:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: he's already instrumental in a 30-year genocide of americans and others , via aspartame | Sep 27 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and i am sure there are a bunch of things we don't know about yet | Sep 27 23:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | Ahmadinejad is right; they do not want the event examined. | Sep 27 23:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | and as the pretext to perpetual war, in which so many already died, it begs further examination. | Sep 27 23:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | M.A. spoke out because he's the only one who hasn't been threatened into silence | Sep 27 23:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | he knows his country is a target regardless of what he says | Sep 27 23:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | which gives him a rare if bittersweet freedom of speech | Sep 27 23:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | (haha irony meter exploded) | Sep 27 23:28 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Sep 27 23:46 |
| schestowitz | But yes, there's daemonisation from many directions | Sep 27 23:47 |
| schestowitz | RMS' views are reasonable | Sep 27 23:47 |
| FurnaceBoy | so are Mahmoud's , if you read his speech. | Sep 27 23:53 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course, his speech was replaced by ridiculous headlines | Sep 27 23:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/26/world/middleeast/26iraq.html?_r=1 | Sep 27 23:55 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: The New York Times > Log In .::. Size~: 9.03 KB | Sep 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: when RMS speaks people draw attention to his appearance | Sep 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | The speech doesn't matter to the press | Sep 27 23:55 |
| schestowitz | The stigma does | Sep 27 23:55 |
| FurnaceBoy | yes | Sep 27 23:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | same deal | Sep 27 23:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | "look at that dirty arab with his freedom hating disdain for peaceful AMerica" | Sep 27 23:56 |
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