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| schestowitz | "don't trust men with beards" | Sep 28 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | "They don't care about hiegiene, let alone[x] | Sep 28 00:05 |
| schestowitz | *Hygiene | Sep 28 00:06 |
| FurnaceBoy | "he's obviously not like us" | Sep 28 00:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | "you can't trust him" | Sep 28 00:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | where have we heard this before? | Sep 28 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, Mahmoud 'Shylock' Ahmadinejad | Sep 28 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | poor fellow was born to the wrong race | Sep 28 00:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | in the eyes of FOX Nation | Sep 28 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the RMS thing is ridiculous. Wasn't it """COOL""" to be a hippie? Or are there good hippies and bad hippies? The bad ones are the ones who actually changed something | Sep 28 00:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | everybody was at woodstock, remember. | Sep 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | hippies are portrayed as unproductive and subversive members of society | Sep 28 00:10 |
| schestowitz | Some might be | Sep 28 00:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | on the one hand, they are. | Sep 28 00:11 |
| schestowitz | But people are trained to aspire to work in glass boxes | Sep 28 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | on the other hand, it's romanticised. | Sep 28 00:11 |
| *FurnaceBoy sighs | Sep 28 00:11 | |
| schestowitz | And farmer/builder count like a fly in a douche, even if they are the only ones doing real work | Sep 28 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | while america was having its little convulsion, Trudeau was actually creating a just society. | Sep 28 00:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | allowing vietnam war resisters in | Sep 28 00:11 |
| schestowitz | How dare he? | Sep 28 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | and now we have a fascist who ignores parliamentary motions to support war resisters | Sep 28 00:12 |
| schestowitz | Nixon+Kissinger ftw | Sep 28 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's back in court | Sep 28 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | Harper may end up slapped (AGAIN!) | Sep 28 00:12 |
| schestowitz | u wish | Sep 28 00:12 |
| schestowitz | slapped by whom? | Sep 28 00:12 |
| schestowitz | A gigolo? | Sep 28 00:12 |
| schestowitz | slap on the wrist? | Sep 28 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | 2/3 of canada want war resisters harboured here | Sep 28 00:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's what's left of Trudeau's just society: Still a comfortable majority. | Sep 28 00:12 |
| schestowitz | war helps people gain power | Sep 28 00:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | in Quebec it must be much higher. | Sep 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | And they incite the poor | Sep 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | The poor lose a lot from war | Sep 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | They return in coffins | Sep 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | The rich children don't serve | Sep 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | And their parents like war | Sep 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | War externalsies the vision of an enemy | Sep 28 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Distraction from internal, class war | Sep 28 00:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | good point. | Sep 28 00:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | bread, circuses, and wars. | Sep 28 00:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | olympics and commonwealth games. | Sep 28 00:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | air shows. | Sep 28 00:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | tv. | Sep 28 00:19 |
| FurnaceBoy | revisionist, romantic war films | Sep 28 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | there have already been dozens about iraq | Sep 28 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | papering over reality | Sep 28 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | making it seem 'dangerous' | Sep 28 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | brave soldiers | Sep 28 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | mopping up a wasp's nest | Sep 28 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | a country full of bad guys | Sep 28 00:20 |
| FurnaceBoy | fire at will, nobody's counting | Sep 28 00:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | except thumbs | Sep 28 00:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | in fratboy messroom games | Sep 28 00:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | human pyramids | Sep 28 00:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | pranks with car batteries and alligator clips | Sep 28 00:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | hooded man | Sep 28 00:21 |
| FurnaceBoy | digital cameras , snaps for the facebook wall | Sep 28 00:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100927/wl_nm/us_korea_north | Sep 28 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | "Kim Jong-il, 68, is believed to have suffered a stroke in 2008, but despite his declining health is not expected to go into retirement just yet, experts say. They say his son is too young and inexperienced to fully take the reins." | Sep 28 00:36 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: hehe. -> digital cameras , snaps for the facebook wall | Sep 28 00:37 |
| schestowitz | "souvenirs" from torture camp? | Sep 28 00:37 |
| schestowitz | "But man, it's a ONCE in a lifetime opportunity" | Sep 28 00:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | exactly | Sep 28 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | "we're part of history" | Sep 28 00:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | "you'll never get the chance to shoot civilians with impunity again" | Sep 28 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | "make the most of it" | Sep 28 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | "ever want to make a guy eat shit?" | Sep 28 00:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | ...etc | Sep 28 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLaazXqrGls | Sep 28 01:13 |
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| schestowitz | This one's a good channel too.. http://techrights.org/2010/09/27/fedora-14-preview/ | Sep 28 01:16 |
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| FurnaceBoy | oh god, i can't believe them taking a moralistic tone about the corruption of iraw | Sep 28 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | iraq | Sep 28 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's beyond belief | Sep 28 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | given the wholesale theft on the scale of BILLIONS by american contractors | Sep 28 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | too rich, too rich | Sep 28 02:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | that's why i don't read the NYT | Sep 28 02:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | haven't since the pre-invasion drumbeat | Sep 28 02:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | you know? those laptops being stolen was the best way to get them into the hands of iraqis. clearly the americans couldn't manage it | Sep 28 02:01 |
| FurnaceBoy | i hope they steal everything | Sep 28 02:02 |
| schestowitz | "ha ha my photos are showing up in blog posts for the #xboxkinect experience centre http://bit.ly/9w5rAF" http://twitter.com/geekigirl/status/25743193339 | Sep 28 06:08 |
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| schestowitz | AstroTurf? | Sep 28 06:08 |
| schestowitz | How do you know? | Sep 28 06:08 |
| FurnaceBoy | not directly | Sep 28 06:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | i probably shouldn't have said that. i didn't investigate | Sep 28 06:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | check the tone of the article though | Sep 28 06:11 |
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| schestowitz | So, finally the word is out | Sep 28 08:11 |
| schestowitz | LibreOffice | Sep 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz | [11:41] <someone> | Sep 28 08:12 |
| schestowitz | [11:41] <someone> | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:41] <someone> | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:41] <someone> and I know it sounds like Michael Meeks | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:41] <someone> who's with us... but | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <schestowitz> That's OK | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <someone> the man turned out to be right: "nothing good will come out of Oracle and a copyright assignment". | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <schestowitz> But Novell can be an issue | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <schestowitz> Not Meeks | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <someone> so we're a bunch of odd bedfellows | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <someone> Novell is dying | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <schestowitz> YEs | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <schestowitz> Red Hat grows | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:42] <someone> Meeks got the money and authority to work with us | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <someone> and he might probably be ready to go elsewhere | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <schestowitz> THey can afford to employ OOo hackers | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <someone> J. Allison, who's with us, might end up offering a job, who knows? | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <schestowitz> Google? | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <schestowitz> ???/ | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <someone> yes | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <schestowitz> APps | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <someone> oh yes | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <schestowitz> Google doesn't support OOo much anymore | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:43] <someone> but Oracle suing Google is pretty good too. | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <schestowitz> I see | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> it never really has, but that's another (long) story. | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <schestowitz> for spite | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> yes | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> and because Oracle is now becoming the problem | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> for everyone | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> since | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> Larry Ellison has clearly explained that IBM was his ennemy number 1 | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> which is a strategic mistake | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> as doing this | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:44] <someone> means | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <someone> that he'll be the objective ally to Microsoft. | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <someone> and that's what nobody wants. | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:45] <someone> so? what do you think? | Sep 28 08:13 |
| schestowitz | [11:47] <schestowitz> he won't be with Microsoft | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:47] <schestowitz> Just not focused on that | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:47] <schestowitz> maybe with Apple | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:47] <someone> I'm not saying he will be | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:47] <schestowitz> when can this info be made public? | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:47] <someone> oh | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:47] <schestowitz> As in, when is embargo over? | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:47] <someone> 28th of September | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:48] <someone> i'll ping you for absolute confirmation and "lock up". | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:48] <someone> we have a whole press campaign waiting to be unleashed | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:48] <someone> you're the second journalist to be put in the know ahead of time. | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:48] <someone> but the regular journalists will receive formatted stuff, etc. | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:48] <someone> you get to have the whole story if you want | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:49] <someone> basically we have now around 40 people working on this on a daily basis | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:49] <someone> infrastructure has been duplicated | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:49] <someone> binaries will be ready | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:49] <someone> and mind you: from day one | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:50] <someone> they'll be beta quality, but representing the third option : not exactly OOo 3.3, not exactly go-oo | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:50] <someone> just something else :-) | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:50] <schestowitz> excellent | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:50] <someone> we will then in about a year, unveil a second branch of development: starting from scracth. | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:50] <schestowitz> I'll prepare drafts | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:50] <someone> excellent | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:51] <someone> tell me if you need briefings on what the situation is like with oracle, where we go, etc. | Sep 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz | [11:51] <someone> we will have a manifesto by the 13th of October | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:51] <schestowitz> btw, irc may be safer than unencrypted mail | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:51] <someone> well we can use encrypted mail too. | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:51] <schestowitz> I just don't use mail anymore | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:52] <someone> you can have an interview of your servant here, and Michael meeks, and other people. | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:52] <someone> ah | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:52] <someone> anyway | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:52] <someone> I have to leave now | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:52] <someone> I'll keep you posted but just let me know what you need. | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:53] <schestowitz> thanks | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <someone> thank you too | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [11:54] <someone> bye | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:29] <someone> Hello | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:29] <someone> some update | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:29] <someone> and some questions. | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:30] <someone> would you like to have an overview -still perfectible and modifiable without any notice- of our media plan? | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:30] <someone> and would you like to have the draft PR from our side? | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:31] <schestowitz> pr would be good | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:31] <someone> ok | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:31] <someone> I'll get you that over the week-end; | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:31] <someone> did I tell you the trademarks? | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | [16:37] <schestowitz> Not yet | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | FYI, it should not change anymore (external statements coming from the FSF, Red Hat again, and Mozilla via blogs). | Sep 28 08:20 |
| schestowitz | Someone says: | Sep 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | "I don´t like OpenOffice.org forking. I don´t like it at all. If one wants to influence what oracle does one must do it from within | Sep 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | Relying on a few TheRegister articles to conclude that Oracle´s direction is wrong is simply folly: ElReg has always been anti-Java | Sep 28 09:25 |
| schestowitz | I´ll keep using OpenOffice.org and convincing Oracle to open source JavaFX as well. | Sep 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | One final thought: Oracle´s plans for ORACLE OPENOFFICE = "THE PRODUCT FORMERLY KNOWN AS STAROFFICE" that is the commercial build, not OO.o | Sep 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | (sorry for the caps in my last message). In fact I think Oracle is right in killing the StarOffice name with"Oracle OpenOffice"replacing it | Sep 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise StarOffice was always the underdog, as most people said "it´s just OO.o with commercial spellchecker and clipart" | Sep 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | what I call the "Netscape syndrome". Slashdotters gave Netscape 6.x a bad rap because "it was just Mozilla with a few propietary addons" | Sep 28 09:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 28 09:27 |
| schestowitz | I thought the same thing, however copyright and lack of commitment is a problem | Sep 28 09:27 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/52278899#notice-52792999 "@schestowitz Actually, switching to WordPress _is_ an upgrade for Windows Live Spaces users... ;)" | Sep 28 10:15 |
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| schestowitz | Of course. | Sep 28 10:15 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/52811413 "Very glad to hear this: ♺ @cantosoft: ♺ @schestowitz OpenOffice.org is forked http://ur1.ca/1skdn Please RT !lo" | Sep 28 11:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/fcassia/statuses/25767150830 "@schestowitz Oracle said JavaFX will be released as open source, all components, sans the mpeg4 patent encumbered ones of course." | Sep 28 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/fcassia/statuses/25767179364 "I see most people put Oracle in a position where they have to defend themselves before they actually do anything." | Sep 28 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | "aka "Prove me you won´t kill"" | Sep 28 12:26 |
| schestowitz | "Netbeans is alive, Openoffice.org is alive, OpenJDK is alive. I say things are looking good. If IBM bought Sun = bloodbath" | Sep 28 12:26 |
| schestowitz | I think it's the opposite. IBM very much needs OOo for its business, unlike Oracle | Sep 28 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Orcale uses OpenOffice heavly internally for documentations processing. schestowitz | Sep 28 12:27 |
| oiaohm | Its really a case for orcale they know the need Java and OpenOffice live. | Sep 28 12:28 |
| oiaohm | But they really don't know how todo that. | Sep 28 12:28 |
| schestowitz | Yup | Sep 28 12:30 |
| oiaohm | And this status of confused Orcale seams to happen every time Orcale takes over Open Source projects. | Sep 28 12:31 |
| oiaohm | Same happened when Orcale took over sleepycat. | Sep 28 12:32 |
| oiaohm | Normally after 1 to 2 years of Orcale going ???? they work out a solution that works for everyone. | Sep 28 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Cool. Jeremy responds here: http://digg.com/news/technology/geek_time_with_linus_torvalds_google_open_source_blog | Sep 28 13:31 |
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| FurnaceBoy | they've pretty much made solaris irrelevant in a short time. | Sep 28 15:33 |
| FurnaceBoy | i have no doubt they'll ruin java's prospects in the same way | Sep 28 15:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's just what Ellison does. he's insane. doesn't understand or want to tolerate 'open' | Sep 28 15:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | diametric opposite to Schwartz | Sep 28 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Solaris was getting irrelevant before Orcale got there hands on it. | Sep 28 15:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | without whom, none of it would have been opened anyway. | Sep 28 15:34 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: that's only partly true | Sep 28 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: you're aware of OpenSolaris? | Sep 28 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and still, nobody else has anything like ZFS. | Sep 28 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | however, Oracle made sure that Solaris will die | Sep 28 15:35 |
| oiaohm | OpenSolaris was not making progress back to solaris golden days. | Sep 28 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course not, but it was open | Sep 28 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | it had a chance to survive. | Sep 28 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | now? no. | Sep 28 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | dead | Sep 28 15:35 |
| FurnaceBoy | and we all lose | Sep 28 15:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | but that's Larry's game: making us all losers. | Sep 28 15:36 |
| FurnaceBoy | he's bad for technology, same as all the other rich sociopaths | Sep 28 15:36 |
| oiaohm | I knew there was a cluster filesystem I knew with end to end checksums before ZFS. lustre | Sep 28 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | perhaps ibm would have been worse (as Sun insiders reasoned). but it's a shame that Sun's tech is dying. | Sep 28 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: Lustre is built on ZFS. | Sep 28 15:37 |
| oiaohm | No it was not. | Sep 28 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | it is now :) | Sep 28 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Lustre has a partition format of its own still. | Sep 28 15:37 |
| oiaohm | ZFS is optional. | Sep 28 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | well that's nice | Sep 28 15:37 |
| oiaohm | And lustre is older than ZFS | Sep 28 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | sure. | Sep 28 15:37 |
| FurnaceBoy | cool. | Sep 28 15:37 |
| oiaohm | And its what most Linux cluster filesystem bench themselfs against. | Sep 28 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | this is beside the point, though. the point is, Oracle is killing every amazing SUn tech, one by one. | Sep 28 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Solaris basically had very few tech advantages left. | Sep 28 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | as many predicted | Sep 28 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: not true | Sep 28 15:38 |
| oiaohm | Really true. | Sep 28 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: it has many things linux does not | Sep 28 15:38 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: zfs, mature zones, etc | Sep 28 15:39 |
| oiaohm | zfs really does not cout. | Sep 28 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: and quite a few other less known technologies | Sep 28 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: huh? | Sep 28 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Since equals already existed. | Sep 28 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | oiaohm: not true | Sep 28 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Its true | Sep 28 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | no, it's not true. | Sep 28 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | at all. | Sep 28 15:39 |
| oiaohm | Only advantage zfs had over the equals is being have to scale larger. | Sep 28 15:39 |
| oiaohm | But there is no drive array needing that. | Sep 28 15:39 |
| FurnaceBoy | listen, you can't have what zfs offers on linux today, on a non cluster system (period) | Sep 28 15:40 |
| oiaohm | lustre can operate non cluster. | Sep 28 15:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Sep 28 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Ie local. | Sep 28 15:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | forget it | Sep 28 15:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | i've no time for this rubbish | Sep 28 15:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | EOF | Sep 28 15:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | put up your HOWTO GET EQUIVALENT OF ZFS AND LINUX or shut up. | Sep 28 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Simple put lustre in use lustre partitions done. | Sep 28 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | publish, pls, kthxbai | Sep 28 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | not discussing this any more. | Sep 28 15:41 |
| FurnaceBoy | and also demonstrate feature parity. zfs root, snapshots, e2e checksums, self healing, and all the rest. thansk. | Sep 28 15:41 |
| oiaohm | LOL | Sep 28 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | all of it, thanks. | Sep 28 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | which i can get today on Solaris | Sep 28 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Only reason lustre added the zfs backend is the extra size option. | Sep 28 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | ok, i have no time for this, prove your assertion or quit talking about it. | Sep 28 15:42 |
| oiaohm | The other features standard for years before zfs | Sep 28 15:42 |
| FurnaceBoy | can you even list the capabilities of zfs? | Sep 28 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | do you even use if? | Sep 28 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | it* | Sep 28 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Name what was new about zfs design. | Sep 28 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | sigh | Sep 28 15:43 |
| FurnaceBoy | you clearly haven't studied it at all. | Sep 28 15:43 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem almost nothing. | Sep 28 15:43 |
| oiaohm | And clearly you have not studied all the upper end filesystems ZFS has to compete against. | Sep 28 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | upper end? | Sep 28 15:44 |
| oiaohm | instead just looked at default included. | Sep 28 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | listen moosh, | Sep 28 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | you can't get those capabilities on a non cluster system. | Sep 28 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Wrong. | Sep 28 15:44 |
| FurnaceBoy | if you beleive otherwise, prove it, featuer by featuer, or shut up. | Sep 28 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Most cluster filesystmes don't require a cluster to exist. | Sep 28 15:45 |
| FurnaceBoy | it would probably help if you used Solaris and ZFS or knew anything abuot it. | Sep 28 15:45 |
| oiaohm | That is your major mistake. | Sep 28 15:45 |
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| oiaohm | You completely cut out a group of filesystems. | Sep 28 15:45 |
| oiaohm | The very group SUN was trying to compete against with ZFS | Sep 28 15:46 |
| oiaohm | Boy FurnaceBoy annoys me at times. Should have looked closer. luster was the predecesor to ZFS. The reason why it has all the features of ZFS bar size. | Sep 28 15:51 |
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| MinceR | 163930 < FurnaceBoy> put up your HOWTO GET EQUIVALENT OF ZFS AND LINUX or shut up. | Sep 28 16:29 |
| MinceR | FUSE+ZFS+initrd | Sep 28 16:29 |
| MinceR | ;) | Sep 28 16:29 |
| schestowitz | "the problem is that everyone seems to think they know Oracle´s supposed evil intentions. Clarividence?" http://twitter.com/fcassia/status/25775788702 | Sep 28 16:34 |
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| schestowitz | I heard from some people in other groups that Oracle cannot be relied on | Sep 28 16:35 |
| schestowitz | "@FFII I think it's counter-productive feeding the lobbyists. Not many people listen to them anyway, not even when they mass-mail journos" | Sep 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz | No moe feeding | Sep 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/09/26/Those-Skies-Again | Sep 28 20:15 |
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| schestowitz | OOOO= "@schestowitz All I can think of with all those O's is "uh oh, uh oh!" :-p" http://identi.ca/conversation/52433938#notice-52876167 | Sep 28 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | "@schestowitz what, you don't like go-oo? Isn't that shipped by like most if not all major distro's?" @schestowitz All I can think of with all those O's is "uh oh, uh oh!" :-p | Sep 28 20:17 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/52881863 | Sep 28 20:17 |
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| schestowitz | I don't use it | Sep 28 20:18 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/26/bishop-eddie-long-launches-fightback | Sep 28 20:53 |
| schestowitz | "The scandal-tainted pastor of a vast Atlanta megachurch was cheered to the rafters by a 10,000-strong congregation today as he took to the pulpit with a vow to fight accusations that he took sexual advantage of four teenage men in his flock." | Sep 28 20:53 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/52440950#notice-52886072 "So what is wrong with the go-oo ppl working on LibreOffice? We get rid of one semi-fork and LO has good governance it seems" | Sep 28 21:19 |
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| schestowitz | They are influenced by Novell's agenda, by then again, I hear some of them prepare to leave Novell | Sep 28 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/52895916 "well I guess I get that. Still it's nice if they contribute code, and I think Libre Office will be OK :D" | Sep 28 21:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.digitalmajority.org/forum/t-270231 | Sep 28 22:38 |
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