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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/52958331 "Sorry mate, I only do free stuff. I'm one of those crazy people who refuse to pay for what can be done for free." | Sep 29 11:19 |
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| schestowitz | The new survey on religion shows religious people know least about religion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP88q5WE-1k | Sep 29 14:23 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.aolnews.com/weird-news/article/australian-political-porn-scandal-revealed-as-internet-bungle/19627748 | Sep 29 16:44 |
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| MinceR | http://img.waffleimages.com/bd8f7d3af0c94b9f7a075b2311863267e7d6ef97/winpho7.png a.k.a. http://img.waffleimages.com/bc28e863e5db51169ffee36d6caf95b67f9cd95d/Untitled%20picture.png 2 missed calls 3 new text messages 20 new critical windows updates | Sep 29 18:05 |
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| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: fiction is the new 'fact': http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/article/867617--the-social-network-actor-sympathetic-to-facebook-creator | Sep 29 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: their GUI is broken | Sep 29 18:35 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: welcome to the AmericanDream&TM. Please put both hands on the rails. | Sep 29 18:36 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: they do a film about it now? Yuck. | Sep 29 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I heard there will be KDE in the BG | Sep 29 18:37 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: of course. that's one of the great "advancements" of winpho7 | Sep 29 18:50 |
| MinceR | dumb == trendy, like crApple | Sep 29 18:51 |
| schestowitz | They target kids | Sep 29 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Let me dent about it... | Sep 29 18:54 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: i've already linked you to the film | Sep 29 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: what a freaking scandal | Sep 29 18:56 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the trailer is just offensive | Sep 29 18:57 |
| schestowitz | SHould I watch it? | Sep 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Worthwhile? | Sep 29 19:10 |
| schestowitz | Or blood pressure leveler? | Sep 29 19:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | heh | Sep 29 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | well it probably upsets me more than it would you. | Sep 29 19:40 |
| FurnaceBoy | but it does illustrate how far down the well we've fallen | Sep 29 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Well......... | Sep 29 20:07 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/52630185#notice-53078255 "@schestowitz Sing it. I am always impressed." | Sep 29 20:46 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqynqm8atRA | Sep 29 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Nice talk | Sep 29 20:49 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Codepope/statuses/25908702695 "@schestowitz Light OS X is called iOS" | Sep 29 20:54 |
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| schestowitz | But can I install it on an old PC? And if I could, would it be usable in the sense that it uses advanced applications, printers, etc? | Sep 29 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/gappme/statuses/25909188013 "GNU/Windows has a good browser too and lot's of applications. Just to be fair." | Sep 29 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / poop: @schestowitz GNU/Windows h ... .::. Size~: 9.26 KB | Sep 29 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Modern Windows cannot run on 32MB of RAM. | Sep 29 20:58 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft hardly ever maintained an OS for very old hardware. | Sep 29 20:58 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Codepope/statuses/25912587365 "But if you want small on an old PC, then you cant beat http://bit.ly/bT1cWc" | Sep 29 21:00 |
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| schestowitz | Exactly! :-) | Sep 29 21:00 |
| FurnaceBoy | right | Sep 29 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | microsoft actively discourages older hardware | Sep 29 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | they make more money when ppl are forced ot buy new pcs | Sep 29 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | it's another reason they have to die | Sep 29 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's no incentive to be efficient or frugal | Sep 29 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | in fact the pressure is to waste more and more resources | Sep 29 21:02 |
| FurnaceBoy | they never pay a price for that | Sep 29 21:03 |
| abeNd-org | most home users replace their computer when that shiney new game wont run on their old hardware, or the old hardware just dies | Sep 29 21:05 |
| abeNd-org | business will do it (usually) on a 3 yr hardware swap when it goes out of warranty & replacing the whole lot is cheaper than trying to maintain out of warranty hardware | Sep 29 21:05 |
| abeNd-org | sometimes maintaining old hardware no matter the OS is just not worth it, or even viable, like these old vax boxes that are so old they dont have hp name plate on them, not even compaq, but digital | Sep 29 21:07 |
| abeNd-org | for awhile replacement scsi drives for those units could be found on ebay, but not these days | Sep 29 21:07 |
| FurnaceBoy | or they replace it when windows dies | Sep 29 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | another profit center for MS | Sep 29 21:09 |
| FurnaceBoy | hence no incentive to make it reliable | Sep 29 21:09 |
| abeNd-org | usually they will just use a restore disk on it, but yes, some will just go out & buy a new one & sell the old one on craigslist | Sep 29 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | or put it in landfill | Sep 29 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | they have a 3 year lifespan, more or less | Sep 29 21:10 |
| FurnaceBoy | in the hands of microsoft's market | Sep 29 21:10 |
| abeNd-org | techjunk is a whole other problem, failing hardware, or those old CRTs that you no longer use are a problem | Sep 29 21:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Sep 29 21:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | microsoft helps make that a bigger problem by forced upgrades, since it's profitable for them | Sep 29 21:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | new pc, new license | Sep 29 21:11 |
| abeNd-org | im betting you arent using that 15" CRT from 1995 that might actually still be working | Sep 29 21:11 |
| FurnaceBoy | oh, i have many working crts older than that. from early 80s | Sep 29 21:12 |
| abeNd-org | a new computer is usually the only way the masses can get new hardware, that new video card, or upgrading from a cdrom to a dvd, or these days blu-ray player | Sep 29 21:12 |
| FurnaceBoy | there's one right next to me that's January 1991 | Sep 29 21:12 |
| abeNd-org | most people have no knowledge about installing a bluray player | Sep 29 21:12 |
| abeNd-org | and why buy one, pay geeksquad to install it, when you could spend a few hundred bucks & buy a whole new computer & sell your old one? | Sep 29 21:13 |
| FurnaceBoy | waste makes the world go round | Sep 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz | Africa and China are the tail then | Sep 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz | We eat is all | Sep 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz | And poop the ewaste on them | Sep 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz | But that's another serious issue | Sep 29 21:14 |
| abeNd-org | its not a waste if you sell it on ebay/craigslist/whatever & not just throw it away | Sep 29 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | and worse than ewaste. every it's just ships full of poison, from UK, Europe and USA | Sep 29 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | every day* | Sep 29 21:14 |
| abeNd-org | techwaste, heh, what about people who have been throwing away alkaline batteries for ages? | Sep 29 21:14 |
| FurnaceBoy | abeNd-org: only a minority go to that effort. | Sep 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz | [21:05] <abeNd-org> most home users replace their computer when that shiney new game wont run on their old hardware, or the old hardware just dies << what about people who have not even ONE computer? | Sep 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz | Don't we already send unwanted clothes to Africa? To them it's useful. | Sep 29 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | of course it's useful .. reuse is always beneficial | Sep 29 21:15 |
| abeNd-org | sche i know plenty of people like that, they use the local public library | Sep 29 21:15 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <FurnaceBoy> and worse than ewaste. every it's just ships full of poison, from UK, Europe and USA << African gets back the minerals... with the poisons too | Sep 29 21:15 |
| abeNd-org | and my wife being a librarian at 3 small town libraries knows plenty of people like that | Sep 29 21:15 |
| FurnaceBoy | schestowitz: the 3 R's: Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. the 4th R is that these are all RADICAL ideas. (sadly) | Sep 29 21:15 |
| schestowitz | /can/ca/ | Sep 29 21:15 |
| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: not restart, reboot, reinstall? | Sep 29 21:16 |
| abeNd-org | besides, woot.com sells plenty of techwaste :) | Sep 29 21:16 |
| schestowitz | MCSE 101 | Sep 29 21:16 |
| abeNd-org | what field of work are you folks in, so I might get a better understanding of where you are coming from/mindset/etc? | Sep 29 21:20 |
| *MinceR is a software engineer | Sep 29 21:20 | |
| *abeNd-org is a IT consultant/peon | Sep 29 21:21 | |
| abeNd-org | most people/companies do want to dispose of their techwaste properly, however most don't have a clue on how to do so, and end up just trashing it. some counties have ewaste disposal, but only on the 2nd sunday of the month & charge you per pound, etc | Sep 29 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: heard of http://www.alaindebotton.com/ ? | Sep 29 22:33 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Alain de Botton, The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work, Alain de botton, the architecture of happiness, the consolations of philosophy, how proust can change your life, essays in love, philosophy a guide to happiness, The School of Life .::. Size~: 8.97 KB | Sep 29 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I've just had an interesting conversation about it | Sep 29 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I think it's a book you ought to read | Sep 29 22:33 |
| schestowitz | [21:29] <schestowitz> Hey | Sep 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:40] <mrf> hey roy you there? | Sep 29 22:38 |
| schestowitz | [21:40] <schestowitz> hi! :-) | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:44] <schestowitz> Because there's this 3-month contract for post-doc | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:45] <mrf> yes i suppose you cant rush into these things | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:47] <schestowitz> are you in Midland, still? | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:48] <mrf> my membership runs out next week i think, i've been visiting pure gym lately, i wasnt sure what to do about the midland what with everybody coming and going, i still need to make my mind up | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <mrf> the labour conference has been on all week too | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <mrf> so noone has been able to go | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:49] <mrf> are you still at midland? | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:50] <mrf> pure gym is only 15 a month and you can leave whenever you like no tie in, you can jopin on day it is all automated by self service computer termina you just key in your details | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:50] <schestowitz> I see... | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:50] <mrf> amazing machines, huge variety, and never crowded | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <schestowitz> Cause Midland goes the wrong way for me | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <schestowitz> People leaving, staff I like too... | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <schestowitz> I might take a post-doc with my old boss | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <mrf> i know what you mean, a few people have said the same thing even the ho | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <schestowitz> The Ho :-) | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:51] <schestowitz> 'The' | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> The thing is this... | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <mrf> did i tell you that guy has handed in his months notice at his flat, its nice too | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> My training is research | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <mrf> yup | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> They don't offer part-timers there | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <mrf> only full time ? | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:53] <schestowitz> Seems so | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:55] <schestowitz> I have a contract here for some months | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [21:55] <schestowitz> I can do searches while I'm at it | Sep 29 22:39 |
| schestowitz | [...] | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <schestowitz> Thanks so much! | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <mrf> i havent had any microsoft sponsored special agents knocking on my door so chill dude:) | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <schestowitz> techrights climbed to 911th yesterday | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <schestowitz> on the web | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:02] <schestowitz> I can't abandon it | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:03] <schestowitz> Unless it stops growing :-) | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:03] <mrf> true it sounds like your vocation | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:04] <mrf> i havent been to the midland for three weeks since i last saw you in there | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:04] <schestowitz> been there 9 years | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <mrf> i been there 8/9 | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <schestowitz> might be time to move on, unless I still lived 7 mins away | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <mrf> we are legends of the place | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <mrf> Mr Fitness is no more too. | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <schestowitz> And Baxter | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <mrf> competition is abandoned | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:05] <schestowitz> 2002-rowing | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <mrf> 2009 Mr F | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <schestowitz> i came in dec. 2001 | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <mrf> 2008 Mr F | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <mrf> 2006 Mr F | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <schestowitz> Now I compete vs... well.. nothing | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <mrf> the rest all yours:) | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <mrf> you sound like you may have got some of your hunger back for training doing it every day | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:06] <schestowitz> The drive ain't there now | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <schestowitz> We're past our prime, strength wise, I believe | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <schestowitz> And I got the highest University qualification I could get | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:07] <mrf> you get phases like that, but once i got past thirty i prided myself on being able to maintain it whilst all my friends gave up on looking after themselves | Sep 29 22:40 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <schestowitz> I do an hour a day | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <mrf> you are an uber human, excelling in the physical and intellectual realms:) | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <schestowitz> So just splatting the long sessions a bit | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <schestowitz> not excelling at the $$ | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:08] <schestowitz> It's just ## | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:09] <schestowitz> Brain is arrangement of models of utilities/ty | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:09] <schestowitz> Body defines longevity | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:09] <schestowitz> The rest ($$) is for those who got neither | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:09] <mrf> that's less important as long as you have enough have the basics of food and shelter and clothing everything else is not a necessity, the world more often rewards signs of merit than merit itself. | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:09] <schestowitz> With exceptions | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <schestowitz> People have status in mind | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <schestowitz> Keeping up appearance | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <mrf> yes status anxiety is rife | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <schestowitz> So they compete over accruing objects | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <mrf> and trivial paraphenalia | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:10] <schestowitz> Extracted from Earth to make more complex things | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <schestowitz> And then the notion of "ownership" | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <schestowitz> "I control these atoms, stay away" | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <mrf> and like to be seen with other high status people that reflect gloriously upon themselves | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <schestowitz> [Until one dies" | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <schestowitz> Then the atoms (e.g. gold) pass on to another bunch of atoms that come from one's corpse | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <schestowitz> I.e. baseless gae | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <schestowitz> I.e. baseless game | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <schestowitz> We all die eventually | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <schestowitz> Let me find a funny new vid | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:11] <mrf> chasing rainbows | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:12] <schestowitz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiQb39wzpXE | Sep 29 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | [22:12] <schestowitz> This from last week | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:12] <schestowitz> Puts in picture some of my thoughts | Sep 29 22:41 |
| schestowitz | [22:12] <mrf> these advertising gurus rarely mention that most humans become bored of newly purchased 'toys' within two weeks, then the next buying fix is required | Sep 29 22:41 |
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| schestowitz | FurnaceBoy: are you around? | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, it seems like the type of conversation we sometimes have here. mrf is my mate from her. | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | *her | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | *>here | Sep 29 22:44 |
| schestowitz | [22:12] <schestowitz> [22:10] <mrf> yes status anxiety is rife | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:12] <schestowitz> ''chav" | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:13] <mrf> i know the sub text of that is someone trying to elevate themselves up the social hierarchy by declaring all working class people to be beneath them | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:13] <schestowitz> I never use that word http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav | Sep 29 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | [22:14] <mrf> me neither its disgusting | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:14] <schestowitz> Yob :-) | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:14] <schestowitz> LOL | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:14] <mrf> it has ugly class connotations | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:14] <schestowitz> The stereotype spings to mind | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:14] <schestowitz> Socks on pants... | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:15] <schestowitz> You got 3 masters | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:15] <schestowitz> Does that equal "baron", OBE, "lord"? | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:15] <mrf> please read a book by Alain de botton, its called 'status anxiety' it is amazing and really puts the situation into perspective you would relate to it really well, the author shares much of your point of view, please you must read it, i have a copy from central library in my house | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:15] <schestowitz> $$ {not equals/proportional to} intellect | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:16] <schestowitz> Greatest scientists die poor | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:16] <schestowitz> Statistially speaking | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:16] <schestowitz> Some like Edison are businessman pretending to be science folk | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:16] <schestowitz> *men | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:16] <mrf> they have their mind on bigger things than the simple accumulation of money | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:16] <schestowitz> Control too | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <schestowitz> Later this week I have some long posts abotu gate | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <schestowitz> *Gates | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <schestowitz> See http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique | Sep 29 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | [22:17] <mrf> these people make the mistake of assuming that money is distributed according to a person worth, ignoring virtues such as kindness, honesty, loyalty and work ethic | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <schestowitz> Yes | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:17] <schestowitz> A point I keep stressing | Sep 29 22:45 |
| schestowitz | [22:18] <schestowitz> "making money" is not indicative of "good deeds" | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:18] <schestowitz> Many people are hypnotised into this trap | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:18] <schestowitz> "Profitable productive to society" | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:18] <schestowitz> A lot of the richets people do the most harm | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:18] <schestowitz> Subjugation, weaponry, quack/scams | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <schestowitz> People who invented major breakthrough rarely made money from them | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <schestowitz> Industries that expolited those thing may have | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <schestowitz> ROckets -> weapons | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <schestowitz> Not space exploration | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <mrf> http://www.alaindebotton.com/status.asp | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <schestowitz> but the investments come from miliatary | Sep 29 22:46 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Alain de Botton, The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work, Alain de botton, the architecture of happiness, the consolations of philosophy, how proust can change your life, essays in love, philosophy a guide to happiness, The School of Life - Status .::. Size~: 12.08 KB | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <schestowitz> usually they do | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:19] <schestowitz> If you invention has no potential for power, forget about investment | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <schestowitz> Inventor: "I made X" | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <schestowitz> VC: "how can we sell many of X" | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <mrf> These feelings of deprivation may not look so peculiar, however, once we consider the psychology behind the way we decide what is enough. Our sense of an appropriate limit to anything – for example, to wealth and esteem – is never decided independently. It is decided by comparing our condition with that of a reference group, with that of people we consider to be our equals. We cannot appreciate what we have | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | in isolation, nor judg | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <schestowitz> Government budget: "how can we use it to colonise?" | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <schestowitz> Von BRaun for example | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:20] <schestowitz> He got no money for rocket science | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <schestowitz> Until the Nazis could use his brain to make bombs to drop on London | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <schestowitz> Later he was captured by the US | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <schestowitz> And they used his skills | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <schestowitz> Not hanged him | Sep 29 22:46 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <mrf> how prosperous we are in historical terms. We will only take ourselves to be fortunate when we have as much as, or more than, the people we grow up with, work alongside, have as friends and identify with in the public realm | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <schestowitz> They let him and his German colleague play in the desert | Sep 29 22:52 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <schestowitz> Then they ran out of funds | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <schestowitz> So he had to sell his idea under the cold war | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:21] <schestowitz> Space race=long-range missiles | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:22] <mrf> http://www.alaindebotton.com/status.asp | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:22] <schestowitz> Public game is trips to space | Sep 29 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Alain de Botton, The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work, Alain de botton, the architecture of happiness, the consolations of philosophy, how proust can change your life, essays in love, philosophy a guide to happiness, The School of Life - Status .::. Size~: 12.08 KB | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:22] <schestowitz> The money is for "Defence" (attack euphemism) | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:22] <mrf> this is the book, its great.....http://www.alaindebotton.com/status.asp | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:22] <schestowitz> Defence budget is MASSIVE | Sep 29 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Alain de Botton, The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work, Alain de botton, the architecture of happiness, the consolations of philosophy, how proust can change your life, essays in love, philosophy a guide to happiness, The School of Life - Status .::. Size~: 12.08 KB | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:22] <mrf> here is more about hte author.....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_de_Botton | Sep 29 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Alain de Botton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 71.57 KB | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:22] <schestowitz> I can't read books | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:23] <schestowitz> I recently read one | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:23] <mrf> please try | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:23] <schestowitz> It takes dedication and I skip too many pages looking for sound bites | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:23] <mrf> youll like it i promise | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:23] <schestowitz> I know I would | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:23] <schestowitz> But I am commited to reading what I can then share with my readers too | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:24] <schestowitz> Reading what cannot be shared with my audience feels restrictive | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:24] <schestowitz> In PDF form I can copy fragments | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:24] <schestowitz> As I did the last time | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:24] <schestowitz> This helps promote the book through attibution | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:26] <mrf> do you use pirate bay? | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:27] <mrf> you can get it on there by downloading the torrent just type in status anxiety | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:27] <schestowitz> I don't download illegally | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:27] <schestowitz> FInding snippets from the book would serve me better | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:27] <schestowitz> As I can then quote fragements and direct prospective readers to it | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:28] <schestowitz> Although social philosophy is not my focus either | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:28] <schestowitz> I explore how sharing work rather than use patents/NDA/trade secrets speeds up progress and improves information | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:28] <schestowitz> I.e. transparecy versus denial of the human-caused global dimming | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:29] <mrf> there are snippets here...http://www.alaindebotton.com/ | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:29] <schestowitz> The software I advocate is part of this lifestyle | Sep 29 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Alain de Botton, The Pleasures and Sorrows of Work, Alain de botton, the architecture of happiness, the consolations of philosophy, how proust can change your life, essays in love, philosophy a guide to happiness, The School of Life .::. Size~: 8.97 KB | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:29] <mrf> hey Roy i have to go to bed now | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:29] <schestowitz> OK, glad to have spoken to you | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:29] <mrf> i have work in the morning | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:29] <schestowitz> Let's keep in touch | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:30] <schestowitz> :-) gn | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:30] <mrf> but please buy the book 'status anxiety', its great | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:31] <schestowitz> reading now... | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | [22:31] <-- mrf has left this server (Quit: Page closed). | Sep 29 22:53 |
| schestowitz | "chill out, I know that Windows is nasty and it's hard to use it. I am just saying that GNU software is not Linux-exclusive" http://twitter.com/gappme/statuses/25912999845 | Sep 29 23:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / poop: @schestowitz chill out, I ... .::. Size~: 9.35 KB | Sep 29 23:15 |
| schestowitz | "therefore it's not really fair to say that Windows don't have a good browser" http://twitter.com/gappme/statuses/25913024670 | Sep 29 23:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Twitter / poop: @schestowitz therefore it' ... .::. Size~: 9.26 KB | Sep 29 23:16 |
| schestowitz | it has equally good browsers, but you can't show me a modern/supported Windows that will run on a 10 year old box | Sep 29 23:17 |
| FurnaceBoy | +1 | Sep 29 23:18 |
| oiaohm | I have the fun job only 10 year old hardware. | Sep 29 23:48 |
| oiaohm | I have Linux running on old pent 2 with only 64 megs of ram for the upcoming scout jambriee of the air. Its enough to run IRC clients. | Sep 29 23:49 |
| oiaohm | Pulling that off is an art in space saving. | Sep 29 23:50 |
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